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[Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:40 -!- perror [n=fleury@mek33-6-88-181-13-93.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 17:56 -!- liar [n=liar@83.175.83.185] has joined #ipodlinux 18:30 -!- BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey] has joined #iPodLinux 18:47 -!- TheSeven [n=theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:47 -!- The_Seven [n=theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #ipodlinux 18:48 -!- The_Seven is now known as TheSeven 19:32 -!- Farthen [n=chatzill@e176130236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:45 -!- Orlando [n=kan@unaffiliated/orlando] has joined #ipodlinux 19:47 < Orlando> More of an iPod question than an ipodlinux question, but you all seem epically knowledgeable. Have a 4th Gen Nano. Updated the firmware. Turned it on, and saw a little "timer" icon on screen. (http://i36.tinypic.com/2r281as.png) - iPod does nothing. Never moves from the screen. Can't stick it in disk mode, or reset it, or anything, really. I assume it's totally boned, but wanted to ask if anyone's seen this before. 19:49 < TheSeven> Orlando: you can't permanently brick these 19:50 < TheSeven> so holding menu and center for 10 seconds does absolutely nothing? 19:50 < Orlando> Not to my knowledge. screen doesn't change. 19:50 < TheSeven> if you connect it to usb, does the computer detect anything? 19:51 < Orlando> just "unknown USB device" 19:51 < TheSeven> that's very good 19:51 < TheSeven> i assume you have itunes installed? 19:51 < Orlando> Yea. It doesn't recognise what it is either. 19:51 < TheSeven> so windows detects the unknown usb device and asks for a driver, but can't find any? 19:51 < TheSeven> which version of windows? 19:51 * Orlando nods. 19:51 < Orlando> Windows 7, and tested on XP as well :| 19:52 < TheSeven> hm, what's the vendor/product id of it? 19:52 < Orlando> Good question :) I'll change in the device manager a sec 19:53 < Orlando> ... speaking of, which is the property I want to quote details from? ;) Long list that always gets me lost. 19:53 < TheSeven> i think the topmost one, device instance id or something 19:53 < TheSeven> should contain VID_xxxx&PID_xxx or some such 19:53 < Orlando> Ah cool :) 19:54 < Orlando> VID_10D6&PID_FF66@REV_0100 19:54 < TheSeven> oops? 19:54 < TheSeven> whatever this is, it isn't an official apple device id 19:54 < Orlando> Ah :D 19:54 < Orlando> I knew this day would come! I was also starting to wonder. 19:54 < TheSeven> "Actions Semiconductor Co., Ltd" 19:55 < Orlando> Oo... is there a list of that info somewhere? 19:55 < TheSeven> http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids 19:56 < Orlando> I wonder if they may ridiculously similar knockoffs. 19:56 < TheSeven> are you 100% sure that this is your ipod? 19:57 < TheSeven> (or whatever you thought is your ipod :-D ) 19:57 < Orlando> Yes :D 19:57 < Orlando> Oh delightful fakes. They even have "designed by apple" written on the back <3 19:58 < Orlando> err, designed in California even :D 19:58 < TheSeven> yes, but telling from the color and clickwheel surface, it's clearly a fake 19:58 < TheSeven> and i haven't ever heard of such an hourglass icon being used by apple 19:58 < TheSeven> what kind of firmware was this thing running before? 19:59 < Orlando> Beats me :) I did the silly thing of getting it and trying to update it without giving it much thought :D 19:59 < TheSeven> can you reconstruct where that thing is coming from? 20:00 < Orlando> Hm, how do you mean? :) 20:00 < TheSeven> where did you get that "ipod" from? 20:00 < TheSeven> was this thing running an apple firmware before? 20:01 < Orlando> Aha! Well here's the full story :D 20:01 < TheSeven> hm, and itunes successfully updated the firmware on that thing? 20:01 < Orlando> It wasn't really mine. Oh no. Friend of mine recently bought a second hand iPod, told me they tried to update it via iTunes, and then it mysteriously stopped working! I offered assistance, what with me being the best geek they know. 20:01 < TheSeven> then they must have even cloned apple's device id 20:02 < Orlando> But... ! Apparently it updated via iTunes, yes. Then didn't work :D (no surprise, it would seem) 20:02 < TheSeven> hm, this is going to be interesting 20:02 < TheSeven> i guess it's stuck in some kind of DFU mode 20:02 < TheSeven> you *may* even be able to fix this 20:02 < Orlando> I doubt it :D It probably doesn't understand the Apple Firmware 20:03 < Orlando> It might... but it seems unlikely... 20:03 < TheSeven> hm if we work out what this thing actually is, we may be able to get a proper firmware for it 20:03 < Orlando> and last device I got stuck in DFU mode, it identified itself to windows as "Apple DFU mode!" (roughly) 20:03 < Orlando> I'd be interested to know just out of curiosity 20:03 < Orlando> I get the feeling it is soemthing like.... 20:03 < Orlando> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-4GB-1-8-4th-Gen-MP3-MP4-FM-USB-Player-Video-M4p-4G_W0QQitemZ150385856882QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_AudioTVElectronics_PortableAudio_MP3Players?hash=item2303b21172#ht_3817wt_1160 20:04 < TheSeven> I'll be away for about half an hour now... see you later 20:04 < Orlando> Which is clearly a reasonable looking HK knockoff 20:04 < Orlando> Coolio! :D Thanks for the advice over checking the hardware ids 20:04 < Orlando> It's been useful in bringing clarity :D 20:04 < Orlando> I'm pretty poor at spotting fakes, it looked real enough to me, heh. 20:10 < Orlando> http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/09/nano4g04.jpg - it does look kind of identical to this, but maybe the wheel has a slightly different font. I do not know anymore. I feel lost in a confusing sea of confusingness. 20:17 < Orlando> Anywho, thanks again. I feel bad for having a cheap knockoff in my hands :D It reminds me why I always pay for brand new, from amazon or similar. 20:23 * TheSeven is back 20:24 < TheSeven> fun fact about that ebay link: the 4GB + FM radio combination doesn't even exist :-) 20:24 < TheSeven> i think they also ripped the device id, as itunes wouldn't have recognized it otherwise 20:25 < TheSeven> and only now that it's failing it started running some loader code that showed it's real identity 20:25 < Orlando> Better they know they were had :) 20:25 < Orlando> Glad they didn't rip the key combos :D 20:26 < Orlando> A google search for VID_10D6&PID_FF66 gives me the sense quite a lot of rip offs exist with that hardware id 20:27 < TheSeven> yes 20:27 < Orlando> http://mympxplayer.org/2-vt7512.html?start=15 - how terribly familiar. 20:27 < TheSeven> of quite a bunch of different player models 20:29 -!- perror [n=fleury@mek33-6-88-181-13-93.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:29 < Orlando> I was starting to wonder too tbh. I didn't think hour glass was very apple. 20:29 < TheSeven> hm, try tracking down the source of these weird things 20:30 < TheSeven> if we only knew what kind of firmware those were running originally, we may even be able to fix it :-) 20:32 < Orlando> Seems you have to do crazy amounts of hacking to even get it recognised properly XD 20:38 < Orlando> brb in 20! 21:10 < Orlando> Found firmware that should work, but the real issue is that people's advice is super vague anyway :D 21:11 < Orlando> and no suitable driver 21:16 < TheSeven> I'd go for the generic libusb driver and some dfu_util, meizu_dfu, irecovery or whatever tool may fit 21:16 < Orlando> Whoo, victory at least. 21:16 < TheSeven> where did yout find the firmware? 21:16 < Orlando> But no idea what firmware I need 21:16 < Orlando> That crazy website :D 21:16 < Orlando> mxmpxplayer.org 21:16 < Orlando> So I downloaded some v9 of the crazy firmware 21:17 < Orlando> rofl 21:17 < Orlando> think I killed it even more :D 21:17 < Orlando> now it's like "what USB device?" 21:18 < Orlando> oops :D 21:18 < Orlando> utterly destroyed :D 21:19 -!- Farthen [n=farthen@e176130236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ipodlinux 21:20 < Orlando> brb. 21:23 -!- Orlando [n=kan@unaffiliated/orlando] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:31 -!- Orlando [n=kan@unaffiliated/orlando] has joined #ipodlinux 21:45 -!- leachbj [n=leachbj@110.32.73.67] has joined #ipodlinux 21:45 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 21:45 -!- Farthen [n=farthen@e176130236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:45 -!- Farthen_ [n=farthen@e176130236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ipodlinux 21:45 -!- Farthen_ is now known as Farthen 22:02 < Orlando> Thanks again, TheSeven. It's given me more things to look for in future. Little signs were there beyond the device ID being utterly wrong, just hadn't noticed. It says "ASSembled" on the back, obvious typo Apple wouldn't do. Logos were the wrong order. Serial number has a square bracket at the end. Device size isn't printed on it. 22:45 -!- LambdaCalculus37 [n=rmenes@rockbox/staff/LambdaCalculus37] has joined #ipodlinux 22:53 -!- perror [n=fleury@mek33-6-88-181-13-93.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:30 -!- hd [i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon] has joined #ipodlinux 23:33 -!- HellDragon [i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon] has quit [Operation timed out] 23:34 -!- CIA-45 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:34 -!- CIA-13 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #ipodlinux 23:42 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@dhcp0350.kin.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux --- Log closed Mon Nov 09 00:00:00 2009