--- Log opened Tue Sep 08 00:00:01 2009 00:00 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@dhcp0350.kin.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 00:05 -!- Keripo1 [n=Keripo@eng275.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 00:06 -!- jerl92 [n=jer_l_@ip-66-254-46-100.mqdsl.megaquebec.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:14 -!- fxb is now known as fxb__ 00:20 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@91-64-221-175-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:20 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@dhcp0350.kin.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:33 -!- Eosphere46 [i=Eosphere@74.197.221.60] has joined #ipodlinux 02:05 -!- TheSeven [n=theseven@dslb-084-056-166-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:05 -!- The_Seven [n=theseven@dslb-084-056-128-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:06 -!- The_Seven is now known as TheSeven 02:07 -!- jerl92 [n=jer_l_@ip-66-254-46-100.mqdsl.megaquebec.net] has quit [] 02:13 -!- Eosphere46 [i=Eosphere@74.197.221.60] has quit ["ASCII a stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!"] 05:41 -!- Keripo1 [n=Keripo@eng275.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:22 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@91-64-221-175-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #ipodlinux 06:23 -!- hd [n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon] has quit [Client Quit] 06:29 -!- HellDragon [i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon] has joined #ipodlinux 07:27 -!- Farthen [n=chatzill@e176184002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:57 -!- liar [n=liar@83.175.83.185] has joined #ipodlinux 10:59 -!- liar_ [n=liar@83.175.83.185] has joined #ipodlinux 10:59 -!- liar [n=liar@83.175.83.185] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:01 -!- liar_ is now known as liar 11:23 -!- gb_master [i=536712bc@gateway/web/freenode/x-zxnrfarkomxyyosc] has joined #ipodlinux 11:25 -!- gb_master [i=536712bc@gateway/web/freenode/x-zxnrfarkomxyyosc] has left #ipodlinux [] 11:27 -!- liar_ [n=liar@213142101100.public.telering.at] has joined #ipodlinux 11:27 -!- liar [n=liar@83.175.83.185] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:44 -!- ezekyel [n=ezekyel@217.65.108.252] has quit ["leaving"] 11:44 -!- ezekyel [n=ezekyel@D9416CFC.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #ipodlinux 11:52 -!- fxb__ is now known as fxb 12:13 -!- liar_ is now known as liar 12:46 -!- liar [n=liar@213142101100.public.telering.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:03 -!- liar [n=liar@83.175.83.185] has joined #ipodlinux 13:17 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@drl027.wlan.sas.upenn.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 13:18 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@drl027.wlan.sas.upenn.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 13:29 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@eng142.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 13:45 -!- Farthen [n=chatzill@e176184002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ipodlinux 14:05 -!- BleuLlama [n=yorgle@65-37-10-247.nrp2.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:05 < BleuLlama> Server is back online. 14:06 < ezekyel> yipppeeeee, this is a great news. :) 14:06 < ezekyel> thx 14:06 < BleuLlama> i'm not sure if the forums are up yet 14:06 < BleuLlama> but the wiki is up, and other services should come back online as fxb,courtc,DerPapst,etc all hook 'em up 14:06 < TheSeven> cheers! 15:22 < sid77> congrats to everyone involved in setting the server up 15:35 -!- _hans [n=hanschri@ool-4570aea0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:37 -!- fxb is now known as fxb__ 17:23 -!- davidc__ [n=davidc__@static-72-86-171-123.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:01 -!- davidc__ [n=davidc__@static-72-86-171-123.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:01 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 18:08 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip70-162-187-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:11 -!- _hans [n=hanschri@ool-4570aea0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 18:13 -!- _hans [n=hanschri@69.112.174.160] has joined #ipodlinux 18:39 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip70-162-187-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:39 -!- gmlfordummies [n=chatzill@ip24-56-61-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:40 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip70-162-187-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:43 -!- gmlfordummies [n=chatzill@ip24-56-61-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:48 -!- amiconn [i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:48 -!- amiconn_ [i=quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has joined #ipodlinux 18:49 -!- amiconn_ is now known as amiconn 18:57 -!- marcus_ [n=marcus@or-71-50-15-14.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:57 < marcus_> hey folks 18:57 < marcus_> how do i change an mac pod top a windpod 18:57 < marcus_> without a windows computers 18:57 < BleuLlama> easiest way? 18:57 < marcus_> yes 18:58 < marcus_> i already tried 18:58 < BleuLlama> find someone with windows and itunes, and plug it in, hit 'restore' 18:58 < BleuLlama> or go into a nearby computer store. 18:58 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip70-162-187-246.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:58 < BleuLlama> easist way to make sure it's 100% compatible 18:58 < marcus_> let me ask it this way 18:58 < marcus_> the ipod as it comes new 18:58 < marcus_> has two partions 18:58 < marcus_> macpods 18:59 < marcus_> have one with partion with no fs 18:59 < marcus_> with the firmware on it 18:59 < marcus_> and the in hfs 18:59 < BleuLlama> yep. tjey come in a restore mode, and need to be plugged in to itunes first run 18:59 < BleuLlama> well, you can look on the wiki; there are directions there for partitioning the drive 18:59 < BleuLlama> you can use that to figure out the proper parititioning and hope it works 18:59 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@eng142.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:59 < marcus_> a win pod couldnt i just fdisk the second partion 19:00 < BleuLlama> i dunno. i don't use winpods 19:00 < marcus_> i dont want to other 19:00 < marcus_> i want to make a linux ipod 19:00 < marcus_> but it needs to be a win pod first 19:00 < BleuLlama> no it doesn't 19:00 < marcus_> okay 19:00 < BleuLlama> look on the wiki; there's partitioning stuff there. you can wipe and start fresh 19:01 < BleuLlama> btw; the wiki is back up 19:01 < BleuLlama> enjoy 19:01 < marcus_> on 19:01 < marcus_> url 19:01 < marcus_> ? 19:01 < BleuLlama> on the ipodlinux website? 19:01 < marcus_> why was it down 19:01 < BleuLlama> read the ipodlinux twitter feed. it was mentioned in there. 19:02 < BleuLlama> short: machine was compromised by some annoying script kiddie 19:02 < marcus_> lol 19:02 < BleuLlama> so I pulled it offline until we restored it 19:02 < marcus_> anyway 19:02 < marcus_> you pulled it of line? 19:02 < marcus_> are you a deleloper 19:02 < BleuLlama> i am not a deleloper. i don't know what that is 19:03 < marcus_> oh sorry 19:03 < marcus_> developer 19:04 < BleuLlama> i am one of the core developers, yes. 19:04 < marcus_> well can i ask why have you made a linux based installer 19:05 < marcus_> sourceforge has dmg for mac 19:05 < marcus_> there ive heard are some for windows 19:05 < marcus_> why not one for linux 19:05 < BleuLlama> because if you already have linux, chances are you know what you're doing, and you can do a manual install 19:05 < BleuLlama> personally, i'd prefer it if there were no installers at all. 19:06 < marcus_> yes thats ture 19:06 < marcus_> true 19:06 < marcus_> most people who have linux could do a manuel install 19:06 < marcus_> but 19:06 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@eng142.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 19:06 < marcus_> some people who are just switching to linux 19:06 < marcus_> or just learning 19:06 < BleuLlama> manual install is very easy to do, especially on linux and mac. 19:06 < BleuLlama> even more reason 19:06 < marcus_> are just dont want to pay micrsoft 19:06 < BleuLlama> what better way to learn how linux works/is configured than a manual install 19:07 < BleuLlama> what? 19:07 < marcus_> the point im getting is 19:07 < marcus_> linux is better the windows and mac 19:07 < marcus_> but 19:07 < BleuLlama> i wouldn't say that. 19:07 < BleuLlama> linux is /different/ than windows and mac 19:07 < BleuLlama> they each do things very well. 19:08 < BleuLlama> some more than others. some are more suited to some goals/beliefs/tasks 19:08 < marcus_> not everyone who uses windows and is is smart enough to install an ipod from scartch 19:08 < marcus_> an the ipodlinux is not just 19:08 < marcus_> partion drives 19:08 < marcus_> and copy files 19:09 < marcus_> its one step before compileing a linux distro of your won 19:09 < marcus_> well not that extent 19:10 < marcus_> but all lot people dont know what /sdb what is 19:10 < BleuLlama> we used to encourage people using windows to use a linux live distro to install manually, rather than trying to do it under windows; not because "LINUX R00LZ!" but because it's easier, more sane, and a better learning process 19:10 < marcus_> let alone the differenc between sda1 and sdb1 or sda1 19:10 < BleuLlama> marcus_: we (especially me) encourage all to learn each step of the process 19:11 < BleuLlama> marcus_: there are plenty of resources on the net to refrence while doing it to learn what is going on 19:11 < marcus_> that not my point 19:11 < marcus_> is you goal 19:11 < marcus_> to have people you ipod linux 19:11 < marcus_> to have as many people use ipod linux 19:11 < marcus_> or to teach people about linux 19:11 < marcus_> becuase 19:12 < marcus_> not every one can be taught 19:12 < marcus_> but linux on the ipod is 100% user friendley once its there 19:12 < BleuLlama> my goal with the project was a few things: 19:12 < BleuLlama> 1) get a Tepest-like game running on it. 19:12 < BleuLlama> 2) get a mod player running on it 19:12 < BleuLlama> 3) make it prettier 19:12 < BleuLlama> i accomplished all 3 19:13 < BleuLlama> now, i somehow stuck myself as being the maintainer of the server hardware. hehe 19:13 < scorche|sh> i offered, but noooooooooooooooooooo 19:13 < marcus_> so can i voluneteer as devleoper and make bash sript that will install it on to you ipod 19:13 < scorche|sh> marcus_: it isnt that simple 19:13 < BleuLlama> most users/developers out there are very fickle. Once they get their new ipod, or other portable device, they'll leave o work on other projects 19:14 < BleuLlama> marcus_: there are plenty of half-working shell scripts out there. it is a non-trivial problem. 19:14 < marcus_> non- trivial 19:14 < marcus_> meaning not easy 19:15 < marcus_> yeah it it is in juss not unattened 19:15 < BleuLlama> scorche|sh: heheh. 19:15 < marcus_> you have the install tell you the location of the ipod 19:15 < marcus_> let me write it 19:15 < marcus_> ill submit it to you 19:15 < marcus_> you do with it what you want 19:15 < marcus_> /dev/null 19:15 < BleuLlama> and be sure to account for *EVERY* *SINGLE* *POSSIBLE* error case 19:16 < BleuLlama> be sure to test it on as many desktop machines, and as many ipods, with as many possible hardware configurations as possible 19:16 < scorche|sh> otherwise you will make babies cry 19:16 < scorche|sh> and courtc too 19:16 < marcus_> courtc? 19:17 < scorche|sh> yes...he will cry too 19:17 < BleuLlama> all you need is for one person's weird configuration to not work, it wipes their user data on their other thumb drive, and you have them angry at *us*... then *we* will end up figuring out what caused it, etc. put it in the forums with the other user-created shell script installers. 19:18 < BleuLlama> 1) i'm not maintaining your code. 2) i don't want an installer to begin with 3) i have other projects i'm trying to focus my coding/maintenance time on right now. 19:18 < BleuLlama> besides, there's always Zeroslackr. 19:19 < marcus_> zeroslackr 19:19 < marcus_> thats fine 19:19 < marcus_> i dont care 19:19 < marcus_> but 19:19 < marcus_> i just should let you know 19:20 < marcus_> that if your doing something you dont want to do 19:20 < marcus_> then dont 19:20 < marcus_> and secondleu 19:20 * TheSeven wonders if marcus_ has lost his spacebar 19:20 < BleuLlama> TheSeven: he's probably worked up a bit. 19:20 < marcus_> any project that has leader who doesnt want it to grow 19:21 < marcus_> the project will fail 19:21 < BleuLlama> marcus_: i'm not telling you to not write it; i'm just saying that you probably shouldn't try to submit it as part of the core project, and also to research in the forums, for the many shell scripts in there already 19:21 < BleuLlama> i'm not a leader 19:21 < BleuLlama> never said i was 19:21 < BleuLlama> the project is going just fine, thanks. 19:21 < marcus_> alright latter 19:21 < marcus_> and now' 19:21 < marcus_> im not worked up 19:21 < BleuLlama> it's an ongoing thing, that can't fail. 19:21 < BleuLlama> it will always have its niche users/developers 19:21 < marcus_> just typing from a motorall razor 19:22 < marcus_> with linux on it 19:22 < BleuLlama> but as the old ipods fall out of favor, the fickle user base will ensmallen. 19:22 -!- marcus_ [n=marcus@or-71-50-15-14.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:22 < BleuLlama> all of those people that were like "IPODLINUX IS AWESOME! ILL USE IT FOREVER" three years ago have since gotten their palm PREs, or ipod touches and have moved on 19:22 < BleuLlama> whatever dude. 19:23 < BleuLlama> so damnit! don't try to convince me that i should care. 19:23 < BleuLlama> hehe 19:25 * TheSeven is wondering how many users will wipe their hard disks in near future by dd'ing iLoader to it 19:26 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@eng142.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:32 -!- marcus_ [n=marcus@or-71-50-15-14.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:33 < marcus_> id like to appolgize 19:33 < marcus_> i have never seen your web site before 19:33 < marcus_> as my ipod 19:33 < marcus_> was just returend to me 19:33 < marcus_> 8 days ago 19:33 < marcus_> and ive been trying to install linux on it without windows 19:33 < marcus_> and now i relize 19:34 < marcus_> there is a linux based install 19:34 < marcus_> installer 19:34 < marcus_> i was talking about right a bash script that deos what the installer does 19:35 < marcus_> but it already exists 19:35 < marcus_> and there no need for it 19:35 < marcus_> im sorry 19:35 < marcus_> my BAD 19:35 -!- marcus_ [n=marcus@or-71-50-15-14.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:35 < BleuLlama> which ipod do you have? (curious) 19:35 < BleuLlama> okay then 19:41 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@eng105.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 20:08 -!- Woolly [n=Woolly@cpc1-broo2-0-0-cust118.renf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:13 < scorche|sh> and what about 20:13 < scorche|sh> typing 20:13 < scorche|sh> like this 20:13 < scorche|sh> the whole 20:13 < scorche|sh> time? 20:16 -!- Woolly [n=Woolly@cpc1-broo2-0-0-cust118.renf.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 20:32 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@eng105.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:52 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@eng071.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 20:59 -!- fxb__ is now known as fxb 21:03 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@eng071.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:03 -!- Farthen is now known as Farthen_away 21:07 -!- Keripo [n=Keripo@eng071.wireless-resnet.upenn.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 21:15 -!- ezekyel [n=ezekyel@D9416CFC.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has left #ipodlinux [] 21:17 -!- ezekyel [n=ezekyel@D9416CFC.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #ipodlinux 21:29 -!- _hans [n=hanschri@69.112.174.160] has quit [] 21:56 -!- Eosphere46 [i=Eosphere@74.197.221.60] has joined #ipodlinux 22:04 -!- gb_master [i=82c03212@gateway/web/freenode/x-leiaoivelyyylumg] has joined #ipodlinux 22:04 -!- gb_master [i=82c03212@gateway/web/freenode/x-leiaoivelyyylumg] has left #ipodlinux [] 22:16 -!- Eosphere46 [i=Eosphere@74.197.221.60] has quit ["Copywight 2007 Elmer Fudd. 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