--- Log opened Sun Oct 19 00:00:03 2008
00:03 < nelek> fx3 what happens when itunes reinstalls it? wont it restore it as a hfs+ partition?
00:04 < fx3> i didnt let itunes format it, that would destroy everything
00:04 < fx3> i just run the dd in reverse
00:04 < nelek> i'm not following
00:04 < fx3>  dd of=/dev/disk3s3 if=header_orig.bin bs=512 seek=2 count=1
00:04 < fx3> right ok
00:05 < fx3> i got your header.bin and i overwrit my ipod's disk with it
00:05 < fx3> to see if it would boot with your issue
00:05 < nelek> did it say "not a valid hfs+ disk"?
00:05 < fx3> it infact couldnt boot at all, loader2 said it was invalid hfs disk
00:05 < nelek> said the same here
00:06 < nelek> is your partition hfs+ or fat32?
00:06 < fx3> so, i connected it back in disk mode, and itunes popped up saying ipod is corrupted. I didnt press anything, and just dd'd the old header.bin back to ipod and it was fine
00:06 < fx3> hfs+
00:07 < fx3> it would be crazy doing this with fat32
00:07 < nelek> true
00:07 < fx3> so do you want to try it?
00:07 < nelek> that volume header prolly has some info on where the b-trees are stored and blocksize and stuff like that
00:08 < fx3> i think so too, but its easily restorable if it fails to boot
00:09 < fx3> and i dont think it will store alot of info, its only 512 bytes, how much info can you store in 512 bytes??
00:09 < fx3> most of it is blank anyway
00:09 < nelek> http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1150.html#VolumeHeader
00:09 < nelek> there are 2 volume headers
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00:12 < fx3> ahhh this makes more sense
00:13 < fx3> i could edit all the correct info, version signature etc. while leaving your info still valid
00:13 < fx3> of course it was recognised as a bogus volume lol
00:13 < nelek> :)
00:13 < fx3> i told it a 3.8Gb drive is really 30 something GB
00:13 < nelek> see, it has info like number of files, number of folders, blocksize, free size and whatnot
00:14 < nelek> and theres a second one 1024 from the end of the disk in case the first one goes ape*garbage
00:16 < fx3> thats ok, you can keep that one, it wont be checked unless the first one is garbled
00:16 < nelek> u sure?
00:16 < fx3> yep
00:16 < fx3> http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1150.html#VolumeAttributes
00:17 < nelek> uhu
00:18 < nelek> for apple generally being tightlipped about technical details this info is quite revealing
00:18 < fx3> its an unsigned int 32
00:18 < fx3> this is an open standard as far as i know
00:19 < nelek> i wonder what the reserved bits are for
00:20 < fx3> actually, i think its its enough to edit just the 8 bytes
00:20 < fx3> replace 4244BC2C9021BC2C with 482B000400000100
00:21 < fx3> hold on, ill see whats the iPod string about
00:21 < fx3> its file and folder count :S
00:22 < fx3> its in the wrong place
00:23 < nelek> im going to check the block at the end to see whats there
00:25 < nelek> damn
00:25 < fx3> im not sure how to do this, i guess i can change the block size to 32 and try it
00:25 < nelek> rohpod gives a read error
00:26 < fx3> what did you do?
00:26 < nelek> tried to read block 78060446 to see what the volume header looks like overthere
00:27 < nelek> maybe they just implemented a small thing that says if its an ipod use the last volume header?
00:27 < fx3> no, its using this header
00:28 < nelek> ipodlinux is
00:28 < nelek> hm. true. else the os would recognise it
00:29 < nelek> dd if=/dev/disk3s3 count=10 seek=78060446 ?
00:29 < nelek> still want to see what that looks like
00:29 < fx3> yea but you have to get the end of your disk - 1024
00:29 < fx3> and then bs=1024
00:30 < fx3> skip= not seek
00:30 < nelek> my disk has 78060448 blocks. can you give me the command?
00:31 < fx3> dd if=/dev/disk1s3 count=1 bs=1024 skip=78059424;
00:31 < fx3> but your piping it to the terminal, not the best way
00:31 < fx3> better to save to a file and open with a hex editor
00:31 < nelek> ok
00:33 < nelek> ?
00:33 < nelek> its empty
00:33 < fx3> is it?
00:33 < nelek> jup
00:33 < fx3> try with a file
00:33 < fx3> of=test
00:35 < fx3> ok, test numero dos
00:36 < fx3> says not a valid partition in loder2
00:36 < nelek> still empty
00:36 < fx3> and doesnt mount in finder :(
00:37 < fx3> but is still fixable with a reverse dd
00:39 < fx3> at least i can say that i have experience of hexediting raw partitions :P
00:39 < nelek> :d
00:39 < nelek> something for your resume ;)
00:40 < fx3> oh yea i see it
00:41 < fx3> i gave you wrong block count
00:41 < fx3> its bs=1024, so its two blocks from the back
00:41 < nelek> uhu
00:41 < fx3> so go in rohPod and type in 78060447
00:41 < fx3> and boom
00:42 < fx3> behold your hfs+ backup header
00:42 < fx3> or your weird hfs+ header anyway :P
00:42 < nelek> boom. read error
00:42 < fx3> are you sure thats how many blocks you have?
00:42 < nelek> says so at the top
00:42 < fx3> what does rohPod say, (block 0 our of ???)
00:42 < nelek> 7806048
00:43 < nelek> 78060448
00:43 < fx3> so which one?
00:43 < nelek> last one
00:43 < fx3> 78060447
00:43 < fx3> doesnt work?
00:43 < nelek> nope
00:43 < fx3> what about 78060400
00:43 < nelek> everything after 78060440 errors
00:43 < fx3> hmm strange
00:43 < fx3> what kind of errors?
00:44 < fx3> thsi sounds like a busted harddrive
00:44 < nelek> Error reading block 78060441: read error (blk 78126040)
00:44 < fx3> (actually should be 78060446)
00:44 < nelek> can i try to read that block using dd?
00:45 < fx3> like a popup message?
00:45 < nelek> yes
00:45 < fx3> yea, let me make a command
00:45 < fx3> dd if=/dev/disk1s3 count=1 bs=1024 skip=78060446;
00:48 < nelek> dd: /dev/disk1s3: Invalid argument
00:48 < nelek> hey, im thinking about something
00:48 < fx3> mine too, its strange
00:49 < nelek> if rohpodx cant read the volume header correctly, how can it now how many blocks are on the partition?
00:49 < fx3> because it reads the partition map, pdisk -l /dev/disk1
00:51 < fx3> i was always fascinated with block level devices, i was storing text on an unformatted usb stick ones, just cat onto the block device :P
00:52 < nelek> hehe
00:52 < nelek> darn, come to think about it
00:52 < nelek> should have bought myself a 32gb usb stick today
00:52 < nelek> problem solved
00:53 < fx3> what for? thouse things are expensive
00:53 < fx3> and slow
00:53 < nelek> backup my mp3 files so i can format the ipod
00:53 < BleuLlama> fx3: rubbish?
00:53 < fx3> better buy a 500Gb harddrive
00:54 < nelek> i already got one
00:54 < BleuLlama> it explains that you can just reformat with itunes if you want to maintain a HFS pod
00:54 < nelek> 750 gb
00:54 < BleuLlama> please read it next time. thanks.
00:54 < nelek> broke down within 2 months :)
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00:55 < nelek> 32 gb 60 to 120 usd
00:55 < fx3> BleuLlama, it requires an older updates, but its impossible to use an older updater with a newer version of itunes, ie, 8
00:55 < fx3> nelek, it broke within 2 months? what did you do to it? throw it off a roof?
00:55 < nelek> nope
00:56 < nelek> nothing really
00:56 < BleuLlama> not impossible, just inconvenient.  it's a workaround.
00:56 < nelek> just rebooted, and it made a chirping sound
00:58 < nelek> and that was the end of it :)
00:58 < fx3> BleuLlama, possibly. however i wasnt feeling adventurous to mess with itunes at the time
00:58 < nelek> never buying iomega again :)
00:58 < fx3> nelek, i guess you had a ..... ohhh, thats where you went wrong
00:59 < fx3> i got a WD one, seems to work fine now for at least half a year, its on 24/7
00:59 < nelek> mine was, too
01:00 < BleuLlama> fair enough
01:00 < fx3> so, its 2 am, i think ill hit the sack
01:00 < nelek> BlueLlama : any hope for a fix?
01:00 < nelek> night night fx3
01:00 < fx3> nite nelek, its been fun
01:00 < nelek> tnx for trying ot help me out
01:01 < fx3> nite BleuLlama, if you are interested, newfs_hfs command fixed it, but wiped the contents.
01:02 < BleuLlama> can you add that to the wiki, please?
01:02 < fx3> BleuLlama, i dont have an account
01:02 < BleuLlama> nelek: hopefully, the kernel and bootloader will be fixed soon.
01:02 < BleuLlama> fx3: make one
01:02 < nelek> u got ur top men working on it? :D
01:03 < fx3> im feeling sleepy and hungry, as much as id like to help out the comunity, sustenance is of higher priority :P
01:03 < BleuLlama> spell out your words in here, please.  read the /topic
01:03 < BleuLlama> fx3: then the information dies with you.  add it later if you would.
01:03 < fx3> BleuLlama, perhaps tomorrow
01:03 < nelek> you got your top men working on it? :)
01:05 < nelek> i'd be cool to finally be able to toy around with linux on my ipod. i've been looking at the project ever since i got it in 2004 but there was always something which didnt work at the time
01:14 < nelek> is there a wiki page on the boot problems with macpods?
01:15 < fx3> BleuLlama, am i alright doing this as a "minor edit" ?
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01:19 < BleuLlama> either way
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03:59 < CIA-10> ipodlinux: fxbhh * r2443 /apps/ipod/ipodloader2/ (config.c config.h loader.c): Revert to previous revision. Boot tune is a feature. It's not necessary and was very buggy.
04:12 < CIA-10> ipodlinux: fxbhh * r2444 /apps/ipod/ipodloader2/ (8 files): Config files can now make use of "easy partitions". Version bump.
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18:38 < Dalem50> hellp
18:38 < Dalem50> hello*
18:39 < Dalem50> Has there been support for the 6th generation yet? :-/
18:39 < BleuLlama> no.
18:39 < Dalem50> Dang, that sucks.
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19:04 < nelek> hi BlueLlama
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19:52 < ryclegman> hey
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22:14 < guru3> not strictly ipodlinux related, but anyone know why my ipod would be giving me what appears to be an image that tells me to plug it into the dock?
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23:20 < BleuLlama> guru3: battery is dead.  charge it
23:20 < BleuLlama> probably
23:22 < guru3> hmm
23:22 < guru3> will try that
23:22 < guru3> it's about time to give up for tonight
23:22 < BleuLlama> plug it in and let it charge overnihgt
23:23 < BleuLlama> theres a support page on apple's site that explains all of those graphics
23:23 < guru3> i couldn't find it
23:23 < guru3> wish i could
23:23 < BleuLlama> gimme a sec. lemme find it for you
23:23 < guru3> thanks
23:23  * BleuLlama feeling generous tonight
23:23 < BleuLlama> ;)
23:24 < BleuLlama> what model ipod?
23:24 < guru3> 3g
23:24 < guru3> as apple calls it
23:24 < guru3> "dock connector"
23:24 < BleuLlama> yep.
23:24 < BleuLlama> describe the graphic?
23:25 < guru3> it's got a dock cable
23:25 < guru3> with a arrow
23:25 < guru3> just the dock connector bit of the cable
23:25 < guru3> the plug
23:25 < BleuLlama> http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/HT1606/HT1606_1.jpg
23:25 < BleuLlama> like that?
23:26 < guru3> no
23:26 < guru3> i have a 3g
23:26 < guru3> so for starters, it's in 4 greyscale
23:26 < BleuLlama> i know. but i can't find the right graphic
23:26 < BleuLlama> i meant that kind of thing, not that exactly
23:26 < guru3> it's that bit of the connector
23:26 < guru3> yes it's that sort of thig
23:26 < guru3> thing
23:26 < BleuLlama> and it's none of these: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1435
23:27 < guru3> no
23:27 < BleuLlama> and it's apple's display, not ipodlinux?
23:27 < guru3> yeah
23:28 < BleuLlama> can you take a picture of it?
23:28  * BleuLlama thinks this sounds unfamiliar
23:28 < guru3> as soon as i figure out where i put the disk image that caused it
23:30 < BleuLlama> i'd say restore it using itunes, and let it charge overnight
23:31 < guru3> that's what i got from a restore
23:31 < guru3> it doesn't even let me go into disk mode with it
23:32 < BleuLlama> yeah, just plug it into a mains charger overnight
23:32 < guru3> just stays resetting though :/
23:34 < BleuLlama> yes, it will
23:34 < BleuLlama> it starts up, realizes it doesn't have enough power, shuts down
23:34 < BleuLlama> gets a little more power, starts up, repeat
23:34 < BleuLlama> after a chunk of time, it'll figure itself out
23:34 < guru3> ok
23:35 < guru3> i'll give it a shot
23:35 < BleuLlama> that's the only problem with ipl on the 3g, btw,  it'll run the battery until it's coompletely dead
23:35 < BleuLlama> ipodos turns off before it gets to that point
23:35 < BleuLlama> and the battery on the 3g is notoriously the worst of all ipods, it seems
23:35 < BleuLlama> and ipl tends to get the worst battery life on it, for some reason.
23:36 < BleuLlama> a while ago, 20-30 minutes was the norm on the 3g,  which is very poor.
23:36  * BleuLlama thinks it might have something to do with the touch sensor buttons,... but that's just a random guess
23:36 < BleuLlama> that said, it's a nice ipod anyway. ;)
23:36 < BleuLlama> you can get replacement batteries for it at newertech.com  if you're interested in that
23:37  * BleuLlama got a 24 hour battery for his First Gen iPod there. :}
23:37 < guru3> ><
23:37 < guru3> i'm not too bothered
23:37 < guru3> i'm just a bit obsessive compulsive
23:37 < BleuLlama> understood. :)
23:37 < guru3> which is why i've been playing with this for the last 2 hours
23:38 < BleuLlama> understood.
23:38 < BleuLlama> http://newertech.com/products/ipod3g_batt.php
23:38 < BleuLlama> installed one of those for a friend.  works great!
23:41 -!- fxb is now known as fxb__
23:41 < guru3> i'll wait until my battery is completely shot
23:42 < BleuLlama> how much time do you get on a charge?
23:43 < guru3> i think it's around 2 hours
23:43 < guru3> maybe  1:30
23:43 < BleuLlama> ah.
23:44 < BleuLlama> one of those new batteries will give you ~15 hours on a charge
23:44 < guru3> well you'll be happy to know
23:45 < guru3> that i listen to less than 1:30 of music a day
23:45 < guru3> so it's A-OK :)
23:45 < BleuLlama> there you go
23:49 < BleuLlama> ifixit has it for $15, fyi. ;)
23:50 < guru3> uk here
23:50 < guru3> nothing is cheap :/
23:54 < guru3> right
23:54 < guru3> bed now
23:54 < guru3> forget all about this stuff not working
23:54 < guru3> thanks for the help
23:55 < BleuLlama> good luck with it
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