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01:10 < NeoDragon> Hi , I just wanted to know if Ipodlinux works with Ipod classic
01:11 < NeoDragon> 6th gen if im right?
01:13 < BleuLlama> it does not
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01:24 < vbman11_> does ANYONE know when the website will be back up?
01:31 < BleuLlama> not yet
01:34 < Keripo> BleuLlama: Do you know if the company itself is even still active?
01:35 < BleuLlama> Keripo: i do not.
01:35 < BleuLlama> haven't gotten any response from them
01:35 < Keripo> hm, maybe its time for a bit of social engineering... ; )
01:35 < BleuLlama> be my guest.
01:36 < BleuLlama> the only way i've found to contact them is their email and voicemail - neither of which gives any sort of reply
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02:22 < Keripo> http://www.webhostingstuff.com/uptime/SysTechsHosting.html <- ...
02:23 < Keripo> are you sure DSLinux also uses sys-techs for hosting?
02:23 < BleuLlama> that's not good.
02:23  * BleuLlama isn't
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04:32 < kevipapo> DataGhost, you there?
04:32 < kevipapo> any of the devs?
04:35 < BleuLlama> i'm here.
04:35 < kevipapo> kool
04:35 < kevipapo> can you compile for SDL?
04:35 < BleuLlama> not right now
04:36 < kevipapo> oh
04:36 < kevipapo> well, i learned how to program finally
04:36 < kevipapo> made a pong game
04:36 < kevipapo> game goes to 11 then asks if you want to restart, displays the score, and the ball's speed multiplies each time a padle hits it
04:39 < kevipapo> written in C using the SDL libraries, took me three days
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05:49 < BHSPitLappy> <kevipapo> well, i learned how to program finally
05:49 < BHSPitLappy> hehe
05:50 < BHSPitLappy> as a side note:  your physics sound wrong :)
05:50 < BHSPitLappy> perhaps even quantum
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06:52 < kevipapo> BHSPitLappy, its my first program, and there's tons to improve, im even working on it now
06:52 < kevipapo> but im glad i finally took the time to learn :)
06:54 < BHSPitLappy> kevipapo, you're farther along than I am, I just took a little humor out of what you said :)
06:54 < kevipapo> lol
06:54 < kevipapo> do you know how to program[/curious]
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11:26 < alphasynaptic> so i've tried to get the Heretic wad working with iDoom in the ZeroSlackr build of iPodLinux and I can't seem to get it fucntional no matter what, can anyone help?
11:26 < alphasynaptic> 5th gen 30g ipod btw
11:26 < alphasynaptic> and i've researched the problem thoroughly. either google has failed me or my google-fu is weak
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11:55 < alphasynaptic> anyone gotten Heretic wads to work in iDoom?
12:08 < alphasynaptic> so why'd the website get suspended?
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12:35 < alphasynaptic> still nobody active in here?
12:35 < jerl92> me
12:36 < alphasynaptic> oh hello
12:36 < alphasynaptic> you an experienced IPL user?
12:37 < jerl92> yes
12:38 < jerl92> do you need some help
12:39 < alphasynaptic> i cant get idoom to load a heretic wad any suggestions?
12:40 < alphasynaptic> heretic was a better game in my opinion. and i know this is tedious but its in the spirit of hacking
12:40 < alphasynaptic> im on a 5th gen 30g video
12:41 < alphasynaptic> using ZeroSlackr
12:41 < jerl92> your using zeros
12:41 < alphasynaptic> yes
12:41 < jerl92> ok!
12:41 < alphasynaptic> why?
12:41 < alphasynaptic> you a fan?
12:42 < jerl92> of zeroS
12:43 < jerl92> for heretic put heretic.wad in doom1 floder and rename it to doom1.wad
12:45 < alphasynaptic> kk well that brings me to the next question.
12:45 < jerl92> and what the next question
12:46 < alphasynaptic> how would i launch that in zerolauncher?
12:46 < alphasynaptic> it always picks doom2
12:46 < alphasynaptic> cuz i happen to have all the wads
12:46 < alphasynaptic> and executing directly from the file browser got me a freeze
12:47 < jerl92> idoom selec only the frist y saw in the folder 
12:47 < alphasynaptic> come again?
12:48 < alphasynaptic> first is sees?
12:48 < alphasynaptic> *it
12:49 < jerl92> so if you want to lunche heretic you need to put it to a olther folder
12:50 < jerl92> and sory for my bad englis
12:55 < alphasynaptic> yeah renaming to doom1.wad didn't work
12:55 < alphasynaptic> it just flashed the text found then went black then back to zeros
12:57 < jerl92> hum!
12:58 < alphasynaptic> i tried creating a folder in root ipod directory with the default idoom disto in it and then use your method and execute it through file browser but that didnt work either
12:58 < alphasynaptic> *distro
12:59 < jerl92> are you lunching idoom or domm.wad
13:00 < jerl92> doom.wad*
13:01 < alphasynaptic> through the file browser? idoom
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13:07 < alphasynaptic> anyone here?
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14:21 < alpha367> keripo i sent u a private message. lemme know when you can talk
14:21  * Keripo hugs DerPapst
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17:02 < Keripo> alpha367: I think I'll try doing a full ZS SVN rebuild now
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21:24 < Keripo> BleuLlama: ZeroSlackr's features list -> https://zeroslackr.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/zeroslackr/Features.txt
21:24 < Keripo> ^ why you should try out ZeroSlackr on one of your many iPods ; )
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21:37 < QWeb_Richard> hi all
21:37 < QWeb_Richard> getting sick of my ipod now, lol
21:39 < Prow> darn, I forget where to fetch the ipodmame source from, gee, it'd be so nice if the web site ever came back :P
21:40 < Keripo> Prow: http://opensvn.csie.org/ipodmame/
21:41 < QWeb_Richard> this computer has drm enabled hardware and locks out almost daily, which is annoying enough, but if my ipod is connected when it decides to lock then that's it, i'm left with an ipod that still has the lock file and thus won't mount with write access, which prevents me from being able to either change the permissions or delete the lock myself, so the device is pretty much useless unless i reformat it, which of course means
21:41 < QWeb_Richard> whole sync again and setting the ipod itself back up. i'm having to do this pretty much every couple of week and it's getting VERY annoying now! any better suggestions?
21:41 < Prow> thanks! I got that bookmarked now :)
21:41 < Keripo> Also, read the Coprocessor section of http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iboy/iboy_paper_2.pdf
21:42 < Keripo> it explains how the coprocessor is used for video and why I said it can get flickery/buggy
21:42 < Keripo> at the expense of speed
21:43 < Prow> so it's possible to fix the minor gliches?
21:43 < Keripo> QWeb_Richard: DRM enabled hardware??? O_o Never heard of that before...
21:43 < Keripo> Prow: Read the paper to better understand how it works ; )
21:43 < QWeb_Richard> oh almost all modern hardware is drm now, it's the way we're heading with the whole 'market leaders want to dominate and control everything' strategy
21:44 < QWeb_Richard> basically my motherboard has a fritz chip... i can't remember the actual name for them now, but that's the term we gave them when they were under development. it's the hardware layer developed by the tcpa
21:45 < QWeb_Richard> ie, trusted computing
21:45 < Keripo> Wow. Would that mean the death of Linux at the hand of propertiery hardware drivers? ; /
21:45 < QWeb_Richard> theoretically yep
21:45 < Keripo> ; (
21:46 < QWeb_Richard> i'll find an article for you if you want
21:46 < Keripo> sure, I'm interested
21:46 < Prow> that's quite the paper
21:47 < Keripo> Prow: As expected from two (graduate?) students ; )
21:49 < QWeb_Richard> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html this is a pretty comprehensive document, long read though
21:50 < QWeb_Richard> in short, the whole design is to basically prevent users from doing anything the likes of microsoft, amd, intel, etc don't like
21:51  * DerPapst heared of it hated it and decided to not buy hardware with it as long as possible.
21:52 < QWeb_Richard> for example if you attempt to open say... a cracked copy of adobe photoshop, the fritz chip on your motherboard will detect the hash of the photoshop software is incorrect and thus refuse to parse the decryption algorithms to the softwares interpreter, which means photoshop simply won't run
21:53 < QWeb_Richard> another similar, and far worse, design aspect is that the fritz chip could instead decide to communicate with the fritz chip on your graphic card, because you're attempting to do 'naughty' graphic work, and the fritz on your graphic card will simply shut the card down which means a complete system lock up
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21:55 < QWeb_Richard> we're entering a world where the dominating ****'s that lead this industry will control absolutely everything on the systems we pay for, and there's nothing we can do about it. so basically, we'll end up forced into using microsoft and microsoft affiliated software, on microsoft affiliated hardware. and for the record, conspiracy theorists generally believe apples move to using intel processors is a key part to this
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21:55 < QWeb_Richard> but anyway, any ideas as to what i can do about my issues? lol
21:57 < Keripo> O_o Scarry. And I thought the anti-cheating stuff for gaming computers was bad...
21:57 < QWeb_Richard> lol
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21:58 < rascal999> how is ipodlinux better than the default OS in ipod nanos?
21:58 < Keripo> rascal999: More apps, more games, more freedom
21:59 < Keripo> and video playback ; )
21:59 < QWeb_Richard> see, as is normal in this industry, the developers behind this stuff socially engineer other developers into thinking the system is good, and in turn everybody markets the 'good system' to users as a great idea. for example, you look up a modern amd or intel processor and it will say something like 'security enhanced', which sounds great to the average joe. what this actually means though, is 'drm enabled'
22:01 < Keripo> More like its the smart business men exploiting the less-than-smart average Joe through using "wow" words
22:02 < Keripo> "Innovative", "Cutting edge technology", "Going Green" and all those empty catch phrases ; )
22:03 < QWeb_Richard> exactly
22:06 < QWeb_Richard> see the hardware manufacturers etc are all led to believe this is a good thing in terms of data protection, anti virus, etc. the music and film industry are led to believe it's all to stop pirating, etc etc. these industries then propogate the idea to users, and in turn everybody is led to believe it's all doing everybody some good somewhere. what most people don't realise though, is that actually, behind all the fake fron
22:06 < QWeb_Richard> developed for the sole puropse of killing the smaller developers. amateur programming, open source, free software, gnu, everything will simply have to die because we're all competitive developers and the big shots up top, such as microsoft, are never going to allow these chips to let us use software that competes with there own
22:07 < Keripo> QWeb_Richard: Okay, now I thik you're going a bit overboard on the conspiracy side... ; )
22:08 < QWeb_Richard> it's kind of like ssl but in hardware. with ssl, to access an ssl page you need the keys to decrypt the data. it's a similar idea
22:08 < Keripo>  bottom line is, companies like Microsoft take initiatives that will allow them to monopolize markets. Accompanying/supplier companies sees this as a chance to make good long-term deals with the "big fish". So in the end, money justifies all and the consumers lose.
22:09 < Keripo> but we're going way off topic here ; )
22:09 < rascal999> whoa i should have never had said anything
22:09 < QWeb_Richard> well admittedly i am somewhat of a conspiracy theorist myself, and i'm very biased against the likes of microsoft, but if you read up on trusted computing and the fritz chip, it's all documented
22:10 < QWeb_Richard> yes this is very off topic, lol. i should become a blogger or something :p
22:11 < Keripo> ; ) Twas an interesting discussion but yeah, more suitable to a blog
22:12 < DerPapst> i hope the oss comunity is "strong" enough to avoid this tcpa stuff... but i have my doubts.
22:14 < QWeb_Richard> so yea, i've only just realised ipodlinux is it's own o/s and i'm probably in the wrong place, lol, but anyway, back to the subject (and please note i'm using apple software not ipodlinux, sorry!!!), is there any better method for me to get my ipod working again without having to reformat the thing AGAIN, when the lock file is stuck tere
22:14 < QWeb_Richard> there*
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22:15  * Keripo has not the slightest clue other than ditch that computer and make your own from scratch ; )
22:15 < QWeb_Richard> kde just mounts it as read only because it has the lock, i can't seem to do anything about it
22:15 < DerPapst> lock file?
22:15 < DerPapst> umount and dd it away?
22:16 < DerPapst> no idea, sorry :-P
22:16 < QWeb_Richard> i did build this from scratch, lol. i didn't realise the budget motherboard i chose had this chip :(
22:16 < DerPapst> get rid of it and get another one :-P
22:17 < QWeb_Richard> i rather stupidly chose to kill my laptop and had to replace it with something cheap =)
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22:18 < DerPapst> no idea though, since i don't understand what creates this "lock file" in the first place
22:18 < QWeb_Richard> what manual mount command should i use? it's hfsplus without the journal
22:18 < QWeb_Richard> i think amarok creates it, not sure
22:18 < QWeb_Richard> but amarok refuses to do anything while the locks there
22:18 < Keripo> laptop built from scratch? well thats a new idea
22:19 < DerPapst> maybe you should replace the OS of the iPod then and use good ol' copy and paste to manage your music.
22:19 < QWeb_Richard> no this is a desktop, i couldn't afford a laptop again
22:19 < Keripo> If amarok creates it, dont use Amarok. Use copy-paste + Rockbox ; )
22:19 < QWeb_Richard> ah but otherwise i do love amarok lol
22:19 < Prow> ipodmame src mod: http://pastebin.ca/1078865
22:19 < QWeb_Richard> it does fun things, like keep my play counts up to date between ipod, computer, and last.fm
22:20 < Prow> I just realised the makefile isn't in src
22:20 < DerPapst> QWeb_Richard: rockbox supports last.fm too :-P
22:20 < DerPapst> though playcount syncing could be a problem
22:21 < rascal999> DerPapst: heh.
22:21 < rascal999> DerPapst: I've been shitted out of Apple iTunes store, I've still got some of there crap
22:22 < QWeb_Richard> well i guess i have to wash up and do some laundry
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22:23 < soycheli> anybody talk spanish here?
22:23 < DerPapst> only english, sorry :-)
22:23 < soycheli> ok
22:23 < DerPapst> Prow: that does this patch do?
22:23 < soycheli> i try to improve my poor english
22:24 < soycheli> im a newer user with ipod
22:24 < DerPapst> soycheli: most of us started small ;-)
22:24 < Prow> makes ipodmame faster and adds scaling
22:24 < Prow> only been tested on ipod photo so far though, with any luck it'll work for nano and video too
22:25 < soycheli> i need to ask if its possible with anyway or software to use ipod with several pc's
22:25 < DerPapst> Prow: nice :-)
22:25 < Keripo> Prow: pass me a binary and I'll test it out
22:26 < Keripo> and I dont even have to apply the ZS patches cause you already have ; )
22:26 < DerPapst> soycheli: what do you mean? syncing?
22:27 < soycheli> no sync DerPapst
22:27 < soycheli> use ipod in diferent sites (pc's)
22:27 < Keripo> Prow: In the end, did you decide to use COP?
22:28 < Prow> yup, all ready for ZS, you should setup the ini so internal input is used, and simply use AUTO for the screen mode
22:28 < Prow> FAST screenmode will use COP (otherwise not used) :)
22:28 < Prow> I didn't really document any of this anywhere except the code
22:29 < DerPapst> soycheli: sorry, but i fear i don't understand...
22:29 < Keripo> Prow: Just zip up everything and upload it ; )
22:30 < soycheli> i have a new ipod classic, and i saw on inet that, these types of devices only can be used in one computer
22:31 < soycheli> and if you want to use on other pc's you should set the manual sync
22:31 < DerPapst> ok.
22:31 < Keripo> hehe, "#ifdef NEVERIPOD"
22:31 < soycheli> and my question its if there are software or applet for tuns the ipod
22:31 < Prow> by everything, do you mean the roms that you already legally own? :)
22:31 < Keripo> soycheli: That is true for iTunes
22:32 < soycheli> could i use ipod on debian?
22:32 < DerPapst> Prow: hehe
22:32 < DerPapst> though i don't know much about the ipod classic since it isn't supported by iPodLinux. 
22:32 < Keripo> Prow:  Zip at your own discretion
22:33 < Keripo> soycheli: I dont know if GTKPod supports the new iTunes database formats (probably not) but I don't know
22:33 < Keripo> er, I mean I dont know if it does now
22:33 < Keripo> argh, grammar failure
22:33 < soycheli> i dont have idea of nothing at all about these
22:33 < soycheli> im newer
22:34 < soycheli> what its linuxipod and gtkpod?
22:34 < Keripo> GTKPod is Linux's usual iTunes replacer. iPodLinux is a port of uClinux to the iPod platform
22:35 < Keripo> You can use Amarok, etc, but I usually hear about GTKPod
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22:35 < soycheli> gtkpod its something similar to amarok in linux or mediaplayer or itunes on windows?
22:35 < Prow> Keripo: what ipod(s) do you have to test with?
22:36 < Keripo> Prow: Just a nano - I'm a poor student without a job ; (
22:36 < DerPapst> poor poor Keripo
22:36  * Keripo bonks DerPapst oba-san
22:37 < Prow> on the plus side, all the time in the world for ipodlinux :P
22:38 < Keripo> well, for now, maybe. Next year when I start univ, no ; (
22:41 < Prow> oh yeah, another fix, I made ipodmame obey the "visible area" which is nice for games like mrdo that have off-screen area
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23:16 < Prow> updated ipodmame makefile: http://pastebin.ca/1078919
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