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00:21 < Keripo> I'm coding a java-based package manager right now and I'm wondering whether I should use XML for package list reading or INI.
00:22 < Keripo> I already have INI tested and working (and it's quite easy to edit) but I hear that XML is more standardized. It doesn't matter much to mee as converting to XML format isn't hard, but I'm wondering which should be better convention-wise
00:30 < DataGhost> maybe I should stop coding and just keep on thinking of ideas, although I'll have to make them public as soon as I think of them then, heh.
00:30 < DataGhost> Keripo do whatever is appropriate for what you're trying to achieve
00:31 < DataGhost> you wouldn't be the first to over-abstract or use something 'standard and popular' which is totally overkill for what you're planning to use it for
00:32 < Keripo> naw, didn't mean for you to stop coding DG
00:32 < DataGhost> anyway, I'm going to sleep
00:32 < DataGhost> heh, well I don't have a lot of time so I don't think it'll hurry
00:33 < Keripo> I rewatched your video afterwards and found that I misunderstood it
00:33 < Keripo> mk, nighty
00:33 < DataGhost> hm?
00:33 < DataGhost> (I'm still here for another 5 minutes)
00:33 < Keripo> hm, I've still got quite a few hours before night time where I live
00:34 < DataGhost> but how did you misunderstand it then? and/or any comments?
00:35 < Keripo> I misunderstood it by thinking it was computer-based, but after watching the vid a second time, I have the impression now that the extraction process is done _on_ the iPod (or am I mis-interpreting it again?)
00:36 < Keripo> far more flexible, though I suppose that could be slow for large packages ; /
00:36 < DataGhost> no, it is done on the iPod indeed
00:36 < DataGhost> well, slow... just normal disk copies.. iBoy was about 1MB and it was done in a flash
00:36 < Keripo> ahh, so minimal file compression then?
00:37 < DataGhost> (no compression though, I don't think you'll want to decompress on the iPod. I could probably write something with low memory usage but I doubt that's worth it)
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00:37 < DataGhost> it's just a tar with a fancy extension (.iplp.tar) and it should contain a few standard files for the package manager to figure out what to do
00:38 < Keripo> alright, that makes sense then. I was guessing that you were using unzip/unrar
00:39 < DataGhost> nope. I'm using my own tar implementation anyway, I don't need a lot of the features that come with GNU tar and it's written more like an application anyway. Haven't really looked into the possibility of using standard functions
00:39 < DataGhost> if they are easily accessible without copying a lot of code inside the main program
00:39 < Keripo> rufus already ported them: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28199
00:39 < DataGhost> but I'm quite happy with this, it's about 50 lines of code, I think
00:40 < DataGhost> yes but I don't want to invoke a commandline application for every package and it also complicates dependency checking, since I'll have to extract packages several times
00:40 < Keripo> I suppose so
00:40 < DataGhost> I'm planning on keeping the total memory usage for this thing below 32 kB (including filebuffers) and possibly implement my own memory allocator, so it'll also have a minimal impact on memory, fragmentation-wise
00:41 < DataGhost> all those applications were more or less designed for platforms which support swapping
00:43 < Keripo> well, if you're planning on integrating any compression, I suppose miniLZO would work fine, though the more memory, the better
00:44 < Keripo> or be lazy and just restart the iPod after installing a package (but that could potentially be really annoying)
00:44 < DataGhost> yep, it is annoying.
00:44 < DataGhost> and I don't know if you've heard but there is no free() bug, if that's what I heard through your last two lines
00:45 < DataGhost> as far as I can tell anyway, it looks like memory fragmentation.
00:45 < Keripo> I'll take your word to its fullest ; )
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23:07 < LaVerge> hi all
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23:08 < LaVerge> i need help about the installation of ipodlinux
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