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01:11 < imphasing> WnN: How do I go about opening the firmware. I have the file and possibly the key. Now what do I do?
01:11 < imphasing> Haha
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01:45 < kevipapo1> zacaj, are you there?
01:48 < imphasing> courtc: ping
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03:08 < milkmann6> hello
03:08 < milkmann6> anyipod gurus here? i need help 
03:09 < milkmann6> i have a 80gb ipod video and i wanna know what are podcast 
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04:47 < kevipapo1> anybody still here>?
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05:01 < daniel_washere> as useless/pointless as it is, where would i find the 2.6.7 ipodlinux patches?
05:02 < kevipapo1> possibly https://ipodlinux.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ipodlinux/linux/2.6/
05:13 < daniel_washere> ah fair enough..
05:13 < daniel_washere> still been checking it all out for atleast 15 minutes :(
05:35 < daniel_washere> eh, is there any need for patches.. since it just pointlessly downloaded possibly every platform source for uclinux?
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08:10 < mackstann> anyone know if there are any tools or at least information on how to detect imperfections in mp3s?
08:10 < mackstann> like those nasty hiccups and cutoff endings
08:16 < homielowe> Does Loader2 initialize PP5002 iPods similar to the rockbox loader now? (rockbox now can now run longer than OF on those). 
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08:25 < mackstann> aha, found something: http://checkmate.linuxonly.nl/
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13:04 < iLauncher> does anyone here know how to convert ttf fonts to hotdog compatible fnt fonts?
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13:20 < iLauncher> bholland: hi
13:20 < bholland> hey
13:20 < iLauncher> hows it going?
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13:24 < bholland> good
13:24 < iLauncher> any new development going on?
13:26 < bholland> not so much with ipl anymore, currently working on developing a gps plugin for apple tv
13:26 < bholland> lack of ipod kinda killed my ipl endevors
13:26 < iLauncher> oh ok
13:27 < iLauncher> by the way, that iboy.cfg thingie still isnt picked up from the location where iboy is launched from
13:28 < iLauncher> it might look in /mnt but not in the folder from where the binary is launched, such as: /mnt/iLaunch/iBoy/
13:31 < iLauncher> anywayz, do you know how to convert ttf fonts to hotdog compatible fnt fonts?
13:31 < bholland> nope
13:32 < iLauncher> oh well, no problem. nice to talk to you again though
13:38 < bholland> yeha
13:38 < bholland> *yeah
13:38 < bholland> sorry I can't be of much help
13:38 < iLauncher> nah, its ok
13:39 < iLauncher> i dont think the devs are around right now. i think fxb or courtc will be able to help me
13:39 < iLauncher> so i might have better luck in like 5hrs from now
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13:47 < fxb> iLauncher: search the web.
13:47 < iLauncher> fxb: hi
13:48 < iLauncher> yes, i have searched the web and found two apps. one is called otf2bdf which converts ttf to bdf. then i used convbdf to convert the bdf font to fnt. but the final fnt font freezes the app
13:48 < iLauncher> so thats why i wrote "hotdog compatible" fnt fonts?
13:49 < iLauncher> i dont get any errors neither while converting ttf to bdf nor converting bdf to fnt. but still the final .fnt font doesnt work
13:50 < iLauncher> i have also observed that not all .fnt fonts available on the svn are compatible with hotdog. some are less than 10kb whereas the ones that do work are greater than 300kb
13:52 < iLauncher> fxb: any ideas? or would you like to try to convert one and see if it works when loaded in hotdog using HD_Font_LoadFNT(); ?
14:01 < imphasing> fxb: mind pm?
14:01 < fxb> track down the bug and fix it.
14:01 < fxb> it segfaults with those small fonts
14:02 < fxb> imphasing: i'm waiting. :)
14:04 < iLauncher> fxb: so you mean the problem is with hotdog and not my conversion from ttf to fnt?
14:04 < fxb> yeah, i think so.
14:04 < iLauncher> :s
14:04 < fxb> but they should work with ttk.
14:05 < fxb> someone needs to look at that.
14:06 < iLauncher> hmm. but im only using hotdog, too bad. ttf fonts are very beautiful and anyways i need a font much bigger than chicago.fnt. which brings me to my second question.....is it possible to manipulate the font size of an existing fnt font?
14:06 < iLauncher> in hotdog, i mean
14:06 < imphasing> courtc: ping?
14:08 < imphasing> davidc__: or ping for you
14:08 < imphasing> :)
14:08 < iLauncher> imphasing: arent you in a mood for pm's today :)
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14:08 < imphasing> Heh, depends on concerning what
14:09 < imphasing> Unless you've got a problem with ipodmame, I may not be able to help
14:09 < imphasing> Or hotdog
14:09 < imphasing> :)
14:09 < iLauncher> you mean you can help me with hotdog?
14:10 < rvvs89> 'lo
14:10 < imphasing> Possibly, depends on what you need help with
14:11 < imphasing> I really only work with the low-level parts of HD
14:11 < iLauncher> the problem i am facing is using converted fnt fonts (from ttf) in hotdog
14:11 < imphasing> Heh, I never used fonts. I just worked directly with the blitters
14:11 < imphasing> I needed speed
14:11 < imphasing> Sorry :(
14:11 < iLauncher> oh ok. no problem
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15:01 < iLauncher> courtc: are you around?
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15:18 < iLauncher> AriX_: hi
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16:35 < Jonathan_> i've a prob
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16:39 < rvvs89> Good work there Jonathan_!
16:55 < davidc__> imphasing: what'd ya need?
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17:14 < imphasing> davidc__: mind PM?
17:14 < davidc__> fire away
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17:54 < Scorpio> tried almost everything on a 5.5g macpod(80gb) from 10.4.10      still stuck with only three boot options.... the loader.cfg file makes no difference
17:54 < Scorpio> anything that could be done
17:58 < Scorpio> can anyone help me out?
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18:06 < Scorpio> hey people.... please
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18:12 < courtc_> nick courtc
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18:12 < court> msg nickserv identify ******
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18:13 < courtc> I'm having a hard time IRCing today apparently.
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18:21 < DataGhost> courtc you remind me of a bash.org quote :)
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18:48 < courtc> hunter2 ?
18:50 < DataGhost> yeah
18:51 < DataGhost> eh, who is on a mac and can tell me whether or not it ships with wget?
18:51 < HardDisk_WP> i think it ships
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18:51 < HardDisk_WP> dont own a mac, but last time i used one, it had wget
18:51 < DataGhost> hm
18:52 < DataGhost> that's not 100% sure
18:52 < DataGhost> oh wait. I have osx on my laptop
18:52 < DataGhost> silly me
18:52 < davidc__> it doesn't
18:52 < davidc__> ships with curl though
18:52 < DataGhost> hm
18:52 < DataGhost> curl <url> > file will do, right?
18:52 < davidc__> curl -O url to name same as orig file without the redirect
18:52 < davidc__> or curl url -o file
18:53 < DataGhost> oh ok nice
18:53 < DataGhost> I should use it more often :)
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19:17 < DataGhost> hey DerPapst
19:17 < DataGhost> you've been littering the wiki? :)
19:19 < DerPapst> did i?
19:19 < DerPapst> and hey too ;)
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19:19  * DerPapst stupid
19:27 < DataGhost> :)
19:27 < DataGhost> not as stupid as WnN
19:27 < DataGhost> he thinks an XML tag is the key to decrypt the nano2g
19:28 < imphasing> That made me laugh.
19:28 < imphasing> :)
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19:31 < DataGhost> argh. I hate that planning
19:32 < DataGhost> I have to hand in a performance analysis of a part of the kernel before 5 oct, 23:59
19:32 < DataGhost> 5 oct is the last day of my exam-week
19:33 < DerPapst> eh.... sounds like fun ;)
19:33 < DerPapst> btw where are the post counts gone? i miss them....
19:34 < fxb> :P
19:35 < DataGhost> loads more is gone
19:35 < DataGhost> spambots
19:35 < DataGhost> :)
19:35 < DataGhost> I think it's almost been 2 weeks without spambots
19:35 < DerPapst> wheee
19:36 < DerPapst> they can't even register anymore?
19:36 < DataGhost> they're too stupid
19:37 < DataGhost> I just switched the username/1st-password field names
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19:40 < DerPapst> heh
19:40  * DerPapst fixes his bot...
19:45 < HardDisk_WP> <DataGhost> he thinks an XML tag is the key to decrypt the nano2g
19:45 < HardDisk_WP> link?
19:46 < fxb> Off-Topic
19:46 < DerPapst> where else :-/
19:46 < DerPapst> ;)
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19:47 < DataGhost> HardDisk_WP I hope you're not seriously considering that he might be right
19:47 < DataGhost> or do you just want a laugh?
19:47 < HardDisk_WP> not really
19:47 < HardDisk_WP> ya
19:48 < DataGhost> anyway, only 1/4th of all ASCII chars are alphanumerics, the expected amount of those is 4 in a 16-byte string
19:49 < DataGhost> the chance of getting a key like the one WhiteNNerdy found is about 0,00000000023283064365386962890625
19:49 < DataGhost> and it's not even 16 chars, but 15 :P
19:49 < HardDisk_WP> ^^
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19:57 < mikedeezys> hey
19:57 < mikedeezys> can anyone help me?
20:03 < davidc__> telling us what the problem is would be a good start
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20:13 < DerPapst> noo... too easy
20:14  * DerPapst searches mind scanner
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20:57 < kick52> night
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21:29 < imphasing> davidc__: ping pong
21:29 < davidc__> imphasing:  yo
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21:30 < imphasing> I'm just wondering what the best way to stick loader2 into a rip of an ipod's drive
21:31 < imphasing> I'd write something myself, but I don't know the bootloader offsets =P
21:31 < davidc__> mmh, got linux handy?
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21:32 < imphasing> Close enough :)
21:32 < imphasing> OS X
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21:46 < fxb> imphasing: ipodpatcher can do.
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21:51 < davidc__> I mentioned linux because then you can just mount it loopback style
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21:55 < DataGhost> huh
21:55 < DataGhost> why would you need to loopmount an iPod? :o
21:55 < DataGhost> oh wait
21:55 < DataGhost> now I get the 'rip of' part
21:56 < DataGhost> but davidc__ it's still not very useful, since a drive rip is not (easily? at all?) loop-mountable, and loader2 goes into the firmware partition which is not readable/mountable from Linux
21:57 < davidc__> hrm.. I did something before wrt that, just can't remember
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22:43 < BleuLlama> 
23:00 < kevipapo1> hey, anybody have news on the itouch jailbreak?
23:03 < DataGhost> what's an itouch?
23:03 < DataGhost> http://www.itouchplc.com/images/manwithphone3.gif
23:03 < DataGhost> sorry, never mind.
23:05 < kevipapo1> an ipod touch
23:05 < kevipapo1> any news on the jailbreak?
23:07 < DataGhost> oh wait
23:07 < DataGhost> I'm stupid
23:07 < DataGhost> I've even got iTouch software running
23:07 < DataGhost> for my keyboard
23:07 < kevipapo1> ?
23:07 < DataGhost> anyway, no I don't have any news, why would it be in here?
23:07 < kevipapo1> Rumors go around
23:07 < kevipapo1> I was wondering
23:08 < kevipapo1> Do you think I could jailbreak the firmware w/ iNdependence?
23:08 < DataGhost> what's that
23:08 < kevipapo1> An iPhone modding application
23:08 < fxb> no you can't.
23:09 < DataGhost> in the last 5 minutes, I've read enough to establish that the iPhone is quite different from the iPod Touch
23:09 < kevipapo1> You can activate, jailbreak, and SSH your iphone
23:09 < kevipapo1> Darn!
23:09 < kevipapo1> Too bad...
23:09 < kevipapo1> well, they "run the same damn binaries!"
23:10 < kevipapo1> do you need to jailbreak the itouch to run 3rd party on it?
23:10 < kevipapo1> Or could you just use iPhuc to copy files over and execute them?
23:10 < DataGhost> ah well, I'm happy with my 32GB Nokia N80 and 80GB iPod 5.5G
23:10 < kevipapo1> heh...
23:10 < kevipapo1> I can;t wait until they come out w/ the 5.9g firmware hack for the ipod videos
23:11 < DataGhost> N80 screen is better than the iPhone/iPodTouch screens, except for that it doesn't have touchscreen functionality.
23:11 < kevipapo1> *can't
23:11 < kevipapo1> ah
23:11 < kevipapo1> I just like apple, since they come out w/ some really hot looking products
23:11 < kevipapo1> they are Apple, after all...
23:12 < kevipapo1> well, back to SFRush
23:12 < DataGhost> and I highly doubt they'd get coverflow working on the 5.5G
23:12 < DataGhost> it's quite costly
23:12 < DataGhost> by working, I mean at more than 2fps
23:12 < kevipapo1> you think?
23:12 < kevipapo1> It would require a lot of processor...
23:13 < kevipapo1> if not coverflow
23:13 < kevipapo1> have the albums at an angle when in normal display
23:13 < DataGhost> it's quite possible without animating, though. animation would make it look crappy
23:14 < kevipapo1> yeah
23:14 < kevipapo1> just simple flowthrough, without all the SFX
23:14 < kevipapo1> I still find it incredible that they can even get a half-menu working
23:14 < kevipapo1> that's pretty incredible in itself
23:15 < davidc__> well.. you could make it work, you'd just have to precalculate all the frames ;)
23:15 < kevipapo1> and if they get iCons working, imagine all the possibilities...
23:15 < kevipapo1> I always wonder how Apple does it
23:16 < kevipapo1> We can't ever get a well-working music player
23:16 < kevipapo1> do they even free memory on the 5g?
23:17 < DataGhost> probably, yes.
23:17 < DataGhost> why do you keep going on about that
23:17 < DataGhost> it's just a bug in _Linux_
23:18 < fxb> kevipapo1: they have perfect docs for the hardware.
23:18 < fxb> we don't
23:18 < imphasing> It's surprisingly easy to write good software when you designed the hardware.
23:19 < kevipapo1> I just keep going on about it because I think that's the biggest problem we have to face right now
23:19 < DataGhost> same goes for software and interfaces
23:19 < kevipapo1> not including the 2g nano, 3g nano, ipod classic, and the iTouch
23:19 < DataGhost> I can write a web application without checking input, as long as I'm the only one using it
23:19 < imphasing> Whoa whoa whoa... what's with the 3G, classic and touch references?
23:19 < imphasing> Getting a little ahead of yourself?
23:19 < imphasing> IPL still doesn't fully support 5th generation
23:19 < kevipapo1> ok, maybe i'm getting a little ahead of myself...
23:19 < imphasing> As wlel as nanos
23:19 < kevipapo1> yeah, I am...
23:19 < imphasing> *well
23:19 < DataGhost> yeah indeed. I was kind of referring to your 'anything that looks like an mmu?' posts
23:20 < fxb> and it's name is not iTouch.
23:20 < imphasing> `iPod Touch'
23:20 < fxb> "iPod touch"
23:20 < fxb> :P
23:20 < imphasing> :P
23:20 < kevipapo1> Most of us abbreviate it iTouch
23:20 < DataGhost> iTouch is software from Logitech, or a phone-thing, or whatever.
23:20 < imphasing> My quotes are better
23:20 < fxb> but that's wrong
23:20 < kevipapo1> I'll stick w/ iTouch
23:20 < kevipapo1> sweet and short
23:20 < DataGhost> bah. the 'abbreviate kevipapo1 by k' example doesn't work in this channel
23:21 < kevipapo1> ok then, iPod Touch, happy now :p
23:21 < DataGhost> :)
23:21 < DataGhost> yes
23:21 < DataGhost> ah. better example. people abbreviating GB by G
23:21 < DataGhost> 'I have a 2G 1G Nano!'
23:21 < DataGhost> but ah well.
23:21 < kevipapo1> that's f**ing annoying
23:21 < kevipapo1> I hate it when they do that
23:22 < kevipapo1> "is that a 2GB 1G, or a 2G 1GB?"
23:22 < kevipapo1> "No, a 2g 1g nano."
23:22 < kevipapo1> "Look it up, n00b."
23:24 < DataGhost> anyway, I think I could do with some sleep... and prepare for my exams tomorrow morning, instead of near friday
23:24 < kevipapo1> what time you at?
23:24 < DataGhost> 0124
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23:25 < kevipapo1> 0424 pm
23:25 < imphasing> haha
23:25 < imphasing> 16:24
23:25 < DataGhost> WHAT!
23:25 < imphasing> We're using 24 hour time
23:25 < kevipapo1> what cities?
23:25 < DataGhost> oh no. I just figured that out
23:25 < imphasing> That was a correction on kevipapo1 
23:25 < DataGhost> the schedule I quoted this afternoon is even WORSE
23:25 < kevipapo1> oh, right
23:25 < imphasing> it's 19:25 here
23:25 < kevipapo1> *smacks forehead*
23:26 < DataGhost> For Operating Systems, I have to hand in a performance analysis of a part of the Linux kernel... by friday oct 5, 23:59
23:26 < DataGhost> which is at the end of my exam week
23:26  * kevipapo1 should know that
23:26 < DataGhost> BUT! at that very same day I have an exam in Operating Systems as well! :/
23:26 < DataGhost> whoever made that up must be ...evil
23:28 < kevipapo1> I wish I had exams on Operating Systems
23:28 < kevipapo1> If it doesn't have to do w/ history
23:29 < DataGhost> http://sandpit.win.tue.nl/course/os/performance.html knock yourself out
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23:30 < imphasing> A CS program that actually taught using the Linux kernel would be lovely..
23:30 < imphasing> Everything I've seen in the US just has you write pointless stuff in Java
23:30 < imphasing> So I bailed on that
23:30 < imphasing> :D
23:30 < DataGhost> heh
23:30 < DataGhost> we even have to write a kernel module in a few weeks
23:31 < DataGhost> and a virtual filesystem
23:31 < DataGhost> mountable and everything
23:33 < courtc> ooh, ooh, podfs ;)
23:34 < DataGhost> anyway imphasing we started with easy stuff in pascal (and had to learn that... but I already knew it)
23:34 < DataGhost> and they kept telling everyone 'the language does not matter, you just have to think logically'
23:35 < DataGhost> for these assignments, everyone has to learn C on their own, they had about 3 weeks to learn enough C to write a threaded application
23:35 < imphasing> Wow
23:35 < imphasing> heh
23:35 < imphasing> Sounds like fun
23:35 < DataGhost> yeah. it's not that hard actually :) but still
23:35 < imphasing> Threads in C are fun =P
23:36 < imphasing> Especially when you write your own scheduler
23:36 < DataGhost> I see people on the forums, struggling with "Hello world" and thinking they can decrypt something
23:36 < imphasing> heh
23:36 < DataGhost> hm? you mean, force threads to sleep and coordinate that from another thread?
23:36 < courtc> he's referring to my implemnetation of ithreads
23:36 < imphasing> Well, what I wrote was more along the lines os psudo-threading I guess
23:37 < imphasing> I am?
23:37 < imphasing> :O
23:37 < courtc> or not...
23:37 < DataGhost> I didn't have to do that yet. I had to split a stupid problem into subproblems (to make threads) and then join them again in a way which basically eliminates the need for threads
23:37 < imphasing> Ah
23:37 < courtc> writing a real scheduler is tough.
23:37 < DataGhost> bucket sort.. read the buckets ONE THREAD AT A TIME, wait for the output buffer to finish and write to it again... in order
23:37 < imphasing> I wrote something that took functions as tasks, then decided what needed to be done next and allocated time
23:38 < imphasing> It wasn't that effective though
23:38 < DataGhost> output buffer is a separate thread so it doesn't really look that efficient to me :) anyway, not with the 256-element-uint8 array
23:39 < DataGhost> at least it works fine with 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 1500 threads on a ~700000-element array :P
23:39 < DataGhost> and while I was at it
23:39 < DataGhost> (I tend to do stuff like this often :/ )
23:39 < DataGhost> I found a bug in the cygwin pthreads implementation. mutex can be locked by 2 threads at the same time
23:39 < BleuLlama> nice!
23:39 < DataGhost> yeah.
23:40 < DataGhost> strange how I find bugs every time I start with something new
23:40 < BleuLlama> sort of a sitex, rather than a mutex
23:40 < DataGhost> mysql and foreign keys -> database screws the restraint
23:40 < BleuLlama> (simultaneous)
23:40 < DataGhost> hotdog -> asm bug
23:40 < DataGhost> threads -> cygwin is crap
23:40 < DataGhost> hehe
23:40 < DataGhost> well I just couldn't find the reason for the live/deadlock
23:41 < courtc> Hey, at least we fixed that sm bug ;)
23:41 < DataGhost> so I did some printf debugging.. and noticed the output 'I am thread 0' twice
23:41 < DataGhost> yeah, hotdog was actually the only project with a bugfix
23:41 < DataGhost> the mysql guys wrote a fix and then rejected it because "it's not documented, so it's a feature!"
23:41 < DataGhost> and I didn't report anything for cygwin (yet)
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23:46 < DataGhost> anyway, as I was saying... sleepytime. bye
23:50 < BleuLlama> nn
23:56 < davidc__> heh, I found a strndup bug in the newlib C lib
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