--- Log opened Fri Sep 21 00:00:11 2007 00:01 -!- Gimp_ [n=malcolm@growl/gimp] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:01 -!- Gimp__ is now known as Gimp_ 00:19 -!- Travis [n=chatzill@adsl-75-42-221-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:20 -!- Travis [n=chatzill@adsl-75-42-221-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 00:20 -!- Travis__ [n=chatzill@adsl-75-42-221-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:21 -!- Travis__ [n=chatzill@adsl-75-42-221-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:26 -!- amiconn [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:27 < imphasing> God, my binary skills suck 00:28 < imphasing> if I want to make 0x10000000 into 0x1, I would *think* I would do 0x10000000>>28, but nooooo.. 00:28 < imphasing> Hints? 00:28 < imphasing> :( 00:28 < imphasing> Oh wait, I'm right 00:28 < imphasing> haha 00:30 -!- amiconn [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has joined #ipodlinux 00:30 -!- Travis__ [n=chatzill@adsl-75-42-221-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:46 -!- amiconn [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:46 -!- amiconn [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has joined #ipodlinux 00:51 -!- amiconn [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:51 -!- amiconn [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has joined #ipodlinux 01:12 -!- Gimp__ [n=malcolm@S010600c049ed94ef.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:14 -!- Gimp_ [n=malcolm@growl/gimp] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:14 -!- Gimp__ is now known as Gimp_ 01:26 -!- BeckieRGB [n=beckie@24-176-224-126.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:32 -!- Flygisoft [n=sirix@84-217-69-202.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit ["- nbs-irc 2.32 - www.nbs-irc.net -"] 01:35 -!- Rprp [n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:36 -!- Rprp [n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 01:40 -!- kevipapo1 [n=chatzill@adsl-75-7-0-61.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:51 -!- Travis__ [n=chatzill@adsl-75-42-221-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:02 < imphasing> would 'cdp p1,10,c1,c2,c3' work on the ipod, or does its processor not even know the coproc exists? 02:03 < imphasing> Assumming I loaded a operation into memory beforehand. 02:11 -!- Rprp [n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:11 -!- Rprp [n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 02:13 -!- Torahteen [n=Jordan@207-119-153-89.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:13 < Torahteen> Does Loader2 have folders? 02:15 < Torahteen> If not, are there any bootloaders that allow you to have like seperate categories? 02:23 < scorche> Loader2 is not our code and is unsupported here 02:23 < scorche> oh...whoops...sorry...wrong window >_< 02:24 * scorche puts on the dunce cap and sits int he corner 02:25 < Torahteen> Wah? 02:25 < Torahteen> Since when? 02:25 < Torahteen> lol 02:26 < scorche> as i said...ignore me >_> 02:28 < Torahteen> Lol 02:29 < Torahteen> So any idea if loader2 does categories? 02:31 < Torahteen> I'd like to use for instance the Gamegear emulator, but it doesn't have a menu like say iBoy 02:31 < Torahteen> So I'd end up with something like 15 more menu items, and that's too many 02:33 < Torahteen> I could've sworn I'd seen something like that, but don't remember what it was. 02:51 -!- Torahteen [n=Jordan@207-119-153-89.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:12 -!- zombiechick [n=landmann@wilug/madlug/zombiechick] has joined #ipodlinux 03:13 -!- rage1 [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 03:13 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:16 -!- davidc__ [n=davidc__@c-24-8-151-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:16 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 03:16 -!- davidc__ [n=davidc__@c-24-8-151-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:16 -!- davidc__ [n=davidc__@c-24-8-151-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:16 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 03:43 -!- zombiechick is now known as n9udl 03:43 -!- n9udl is now known as landmann 03:44 -!- landmann [n=landmann@wilug/madlug/zombiechick] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:52 -!- Sanitized [n=chatzill@ool-4576c9b0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:26 < kevipapo1> is there a mod here? 04:27 < davidc__> maybe 04:28 < kevipapo1> are you a mod davidc? 04:29 < davidc__> maybe' 04:30 < kevipapo1> well 04:30 < kevipapo1> there's a guy, new guy apparently 04:32 < kevipapo1> he's spamming the site 04:32 < kevipapo1> a lot! 04:32 < kevipapo1> under the name of nooblet5 04:32 < kevipapo1> his spam can be found in this topic: 04:32 < kevipapo1> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27984 04:32 < kevipapo1> do you think you can do anything about it? 04:33 -!- Sanitized [n=chatzill@ool-4576c9b0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:33 -!- davidc__ [n=davidc__@c-24-8-151-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:33 -!- g463 [i=g463@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:33 -!- dionoea [n=dionoea@poy.chewa.net] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:33 -!- sid77 [n=sid77@slackware.it] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:33 -!- jbit [n=jbit@jamesl.neovanglist.net] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:34 -!- davidc__ [n=davidc__@c-24-8-151-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:34 -!- Sanitized [n=chatzill@ool-4576c9b0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:34 -!- g463 [i=g463@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ipodlinux 04:34 -!- jbit [n=jbit@jamesl.neovanglist.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:34 -!- dionoea [n=dionoea@poy.chewa.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:34 -!- sid77 [n=sid77@slackware.it] has joined #ipodlinux 04:34 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by irc.freenode.net 04:39 < davidc__> kevipapo1: did you say anything after "there's a guy, new guy apparently"? because I think I mighta missed it due to the split 04:40 < kevipapo1> this is the topic he's spamming in like there's no tomorrow: 04:40 < kevipapo1> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27984 04:42 < davidc__> Banned by IP/name 04:44 -!- screwt8 [i=screwt8@gateway/tor/x-bfd9ac2351aa8e5d] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:45 -!- Gimp__ [n=malcolm@S010600c049ed94ef.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:46 -!- Gimp_ [n=malcolm@growl/gimp] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:46 -!- Gimp__ is now known as Gimp_ 04:47 < kevipapo1> thinks a lot 04:48 < kevipapo1> all his posts are gone. Is that normal? 04:48 < davidc__> I deleted them. Theres no point in them taking up database space. 04:49 < davidc__> In fact, there's no point for him to take up air either, but unfortunately I have no control over that matter. 04:50 -!- screwt846 [i=screwt8@gateway/tor/x-9a22adbb89bbb4d8] has joined #ipodlinux 05:03 -!- scorche [i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:04 -!- scorche [i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche] has joined #ipodlinux 05:09 < kevipapo1> well, thanks anyway 05:10 -!- Luke [n=Luke@74-132-228-30.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["" the GPL doesn't support hazing""] 05:12 < kevipapo1> goodnight all 05:32 -!- kevipapo1 [n=chatzill@adsl-75-7-0-61.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:31 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.232.175] has joined #ipodlinux 06:43 -!- Sanitized [n=chatzill@ool-4576c9b0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:48 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.232.175] has quit [] 06:51 -!- BeckieRGB [n=beckie@24-176-224-126.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has quit [] 07:28 -!- davina [n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 07:30 -!- davina [n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:30 -!- davina [n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 07:59 -!- rage1 [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:59 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 08:07 -!- perror [n=fleury@mazurek.labri.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 08:42 -!- rage1 [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 08:43 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:00 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 09:01 -!- rage1 [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:09 -!- Crystal` [n=Icewease@host12-19-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ipodlinux 09:49 -!- Crystal` [n=Icewease@host12-19-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:55 -!- Crystal [n=Icewease@host12-19-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ipodlinux 10:01 -!- Flygisoft [n=sirix@84-217-69-202.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:25 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:21 -!- Crystal [n=Icewease@host12-19-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["Sto andando via"] 11:21 -!- Crystal [n=Icewease@host12-19-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ipodlinux 11:22 -!- Crystal is now known as Crystal` 11:33 < Flygisoft> how do i know if I got a iPod 5G or 5.5G 30Gb? :S 11:40 < GodEater> sector size on the disk 11:42 < Flygisoft> check that? 11:43 < Flygisoft> how do i check that :P 11:44 < GodEater> does it matter ? 11:44 < GodEater> why do you need to know anyway ? 11:46 < GodEater> ipodpatcher will tell you though 11:55 < Flygisoft> GodEater: Installer 2 cant find my ipod and all links in "5g easy installation tutorial!" on the forum doesn work... i found two installers for ipod video 5g and 5.5g, dint know with one... 12:06 < DataGhost> Flygisoft the serial number will tell you 12:06 < DataGhost> http://ipodlinux.org/5.5G#Before_you_begin 12:07 < DataGhost> and Flygisoft, just out of curiousity... what are those installers called? 12:07 < Flygisoft> http://miche.aqua-gero.com/5.5g/ there you got them 12:09 < DataGhost> don't use them 12:09 < Flygisoft> why? :P 12:09 < DataGhost> for the 30GB it won't corrupt your partition table (only for 60 or 80GB), but it will still install in the wrong location 12:09 < DataGhost> whenever your iPod hibernates, linux is 'uninstalled' (overwritten) 12:10 < DataGhost> after about 18 hours of not using it while in the apple firmware 12:11 < Flygisoft> lol :/ 12:14 < Flygisoft> DataGhost, its a 5.5G i have 12:15 < DataGhost> ok. nice. read the rest of that page to install then, I guess 12:15 < Flygisoft> :) 12:18 -!- screwt846 [i=screwt8@gateway/tor/x-9a22adbb89bbb4d8] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:26 * Crystal` LuNcH >_< 12:30 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.232.175] has joined #ipodlinux 12:37 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.232.175] has quit [] 13:11 -!- Aicart [n=aideb@111.Red-83-61-224.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:13 -!- Aicart [n=aideb@111.Red-83-61-224.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:21 -!- The-Compiler [n=florian@241.29.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ipodlinux 13:26 -!- Gekkko[PDA] [i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info] has joined #ipodlinux 13:26 < Gekkko[PDA]> whats new 13:43 -!- drkvg [i=d37a82e1@pepin.poivron.org] has joined #ipodlinux 13:43 < drkvg> hi there 13:44 < drkvg> I was just given a 2nd hand iPod, but i have no idea what kind of iPod is it 13:44 < drkvg> is there a page where I can check what generation and model it is, by entering the serial number? 13:44 < drkvg> (it's small, gray, and I think it's a nano, but I don't know which gen) 13:48 < Gekkko[PDA]> grey? 13:49 < Gekkko[PDA]> round edges? 13:49 < Gekkko[PDA]> how wide is it? 1in or 2 13:52 < Flygisoft> when im using fdisk, and using the command "p" i dont see any Device Boot for my ipod :O 13:57 < GodEater> what do you mean "device boot" ? 13:57 < GodEater> do you mean there's no boot flag ? 13:58 < GodEater> if so - why on earth would you expect one ? 13:58 -!- fxb__ is now known as fxb 14:00 < Flygisoft> GodEater: im just following the 5.5G guide 14:00 < drkvg> GodEater: it is silver, with round edges indeed 14:00 < drkvg> oops, I meant Gekkko[PDA] 14:00 < drkvg> Gekkko[PDA]: it is 2GB btw 14:02 -!- alenax [n=amigax@cm85.sigma24.maxonline.com.sg] has quit ["re-start"] 14:04 < GodEater> drkvg: that means it's a 2nd Gen Nano 14:06 < drkvg> GodEater: damn, and it also means there's no linux no it, right? 14:06 < DataGhost> that's right drkvg 14:06 < DataGhost> http://ipodlinux.org/Generations you might want to remember that one 14:08 -!- Torahteen [n=Jordan@207-119-153-89.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:08 < Torahteen> Hi everyone 14:09 < drkvg> fuck :( 14:09 < Torahteen> So does anyone know where the source for the new wikipodia is? The one that works with the 5.5G ipods, by making it's own version of podzilla? 14:09 < drkvg> DataGhost & GodEater thanks for the information 14:09 < GodEater> drkvg: you're welcome =/ 14:09 < Torahteen> Lol, that came kind of unexpectedly XD 14:09 < DataGhost> oh and watch the language a bit :) 14:09 < Torahteen> Hi everyone 14:09 < Torahteen> fuck 14:09 < Torahteen> XD 14:09 < Torahteen> Eep, soz 14:09 < Torahteen> lol 14:10 < DataGhost> ha-ha. do it again and someone will kick you 14:10 < Torahteen> SORRY! :( 14:10 < Torahteen> Anyway, any idea? 14:11 < DataGhost> I have no idea, but what you said suggests that it's *in* podzilla0, which does not properly work on 5.5G iPods (without modifications) 14:11 < DataGhost> if there's a podzilla2 module for it, you can use that. http://ipodlinux.org/Special:Modules 14:11 < Torahteen> No, someone had made wikipodia into a pz2 module 14:11 < DataGhost> eh. 14:11 < DataGhost> hmm 14:11 < Torahteen> I wanted the source, so I could work on it 14:12 < DataGhost> http://ipodlinux.org/Special:Module sorry, typo 14:12 < Torahteen> Well, they made it into a pz2 module, but because of the memory issues, he also made a different build of pz2 that just works with it 14:12 < Torahteen> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23343 14:13 < Torahteen> There's a link to the source a bit later in that topic 14:13 < Torahteen> But it's for a version he says wouldn't compile 14:18 -!- skittle7 [n=5ac66048@207.250.49.24] has joined #ipodlinux 14:26 < Flygisoft> DataGhost: should i see the partions for my ipod when im using fdisk and the command "p"? 14:35 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb] has joined #ipodlinux 14:36 < GodEater> Flygisoft: did you run fdisk with the device file for your ipod as the argument ? 14:36 < GodEater> e.g. "fdisk /dev/sdb" 14:36 < Flygisoft> yes 14:37 < GodEater> and you get what output ? 14:39 < Flygisoft> Note: sector size is 2024 (not 512), cylinders for this disk is set to 7130 and all that 14:40 < linuxstb> Assuming that said 2048, then it's a 5.5g 14:40 < Torahteen> lol 14:40 < Flygisoft> yeah ^^ 14:40 < Flygisoft> :P 14:40 < Torahteen> And p gives you? 14:41 < Torahteen> fdisk doesn't even let you run if the device is mounted right? So it's not mounted? 14:41 < linuxstb> fdisk has never cared if the disk was mounted for me. 14:41 < Flygisoft> Disk /dev/sdb2: 29.9GB, 29907116032 bytes and nothing more under Device Boot 14:41 < GodEater> http://pastebin.ca/705954 <-- "p" output on my 5.5G 14:41 < GodEater> nor me - fdisk doesn't give a hoot 14:42 < GodEater> /dev/sdb2 isn't the disk 14:42 < GodEater> that's the partition 14:43 < Flygisoft> hmm ok, so whats the disk then? :O 14:43 < GodEater> /dev/sdb 14:43 < GodEater> as I said about 10 lines above 14:43 < GodEater> you even said "yes" when I asked you if that's what you typed 14:47 < Flygisoft> sry for that but i thought sdb2 was the disk 14:47 < GodEater> nope - it's the music partition 14:48 < Flygisoft> it doesnt look like it did for you... 14:52 < Flygisoft> http://pastebin.ca/705966 14:54 < rvvs89> Flygisoft: Be precise or you might end up making changes to a block device other than your iPod 14:56 < Flygisoft> i dont want to do that :P 14:56 < GodEater> well that certainly doesn't look like a healthy ipod partition table - but since I don't own a 30GB one, I can't tell you what it SHOULD say 14:57 < DataGhost> that entire thing isn't healthy 14:57 < DataGhost> I always switch to sectors, rather than cylinders. It won't throw any errors in that case 14:57 < DataGhost> but eh. for what I've seen, that partition table *is* normal 14:58 < DataGhost> it doesn't look unfamiliar anyway 14:58 < GodEater> my post was in cylinders 14:58 < GodEater> and it doesn't throw those errors 14:59 * linuxstb wonders what Flygisoft's actual problem is 14:59 < DataGhost> yes, but you should remember that the disks are completely different 14:59 < DataGhost> even in the way they're accessed 14:59 < GodEater> DG: well aware ;) 14:59 < linuxstb> DataGhost: BTW, Bagder removed the ipod_fw.exe file from the Rockbox download servers - he didn't think it should be there any more, and was in a directory which wasn't mirrored. 14:59 < GodEater> how quickly I'm forgotten :`( 15:00 < DataGhost> linuxstb his problem is that I told him to not use a miche installer, so I guess he's doing a manual install now 15:00 < DataGhost> eh. heh. ok 15:00 < DataGhost> for now, I'll put it online on my own server, the link will be gone in the big wiki cleanup that's being planned 15:01 < GodEater> what does ipod_fw do that ipodpatcher doesn't ? 15:02 < rvvs89> It doesn't work properly with 5.5G iPods, but I believe it gives you more control over what's in your firmware partition 15:02 < rvvs89> ipodpatcher is a lot easier imo 15:03 -!- skittle7 [n=5ac66048@207.250.49.24] has quit ["CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)"] 15:03 < DataGhost> well GodEater it's mainly because someone changed the link yesterday (my timezone), because it did 404 on the rockbox servers 15:04 < DataGhost> I don't really have the time to thoroughly fix that guide right now, so I'll just go with the easy way until then 15:04 < GodEater> fair enough 15:04 < linuxstb> GodEater: ipod_fw (which is just a copy/rename of the IPL make_fw tool) manipulates a copy of the firmware partition in a file. So you can extract the sub-images, and build a new firmware image. It used to be the way to install a bootloader before ipodpatcher. 15:04 < DataGhost> by the way, I didn't report this to anyone, I should do that too 15:05 < GodEater> linuxstb: I recall it was the way to do it before, I just couldn't remember what it did precisely 15:05 < DataGhost> but someone managed to upload loader.bin as iPod firmware(!) with ipodpatcher 15:05 < DataGhost> and was unable to undo that, as loader.bin didn't include the apple copyright and ipodpatcher thought it wasn't an iPod anymore 15:05 < linuxstb> Yes, people can do anything with the "bin" options... 15:06 < linuxstb> Ah, I see what you mean - the option (which I never use any more...) to read/write the entire firmware partition. 15:06 < DataGhost> so I added some comment marks to 'fix' it, but I'd say it needs -force{,-model,-whatever} options 15:06 < DataGhost> he was on windows, so no dd for him 15:06 < DataGhost> that's what made it a problem :P 15:06 < DataGhost> and he didn't want to restore, preferrably 15:07 < GodEater> did no-one point out you can get dd for windows ? 15:08 < rvvs89> \\.\PhysicalDrive1 or something? 15:08 < DataGhost> yes, cygwin etc. didn't want to put him through that and I forgot the proper syntax to address a device 15:08 < GodEater> no - not cygwin 15:08 < GodEater> there's a native version 15:08 < GodEater> just a dd.exe you can download 15:08 < DataGhost> oh. 15:08 < GodEater> http://www.chrysocome.net/dd 15:08 < GodEater> :) 15:08 < linuxstb> But what I should do is check the image used with the -w option - so ipodpatcher will only write a valid firmware partition image. 15:08 < DataGhost> I don't power-use windows enough to know that :P 15:09 < GodEater> DataGhost: nor me - I credit amiconn for it's discovery completely ;) 15:09 < DataGhost> yes, and/or allow writing regardless of the drive contents, with a -force like option 15:09 < DataGhost> :) 15:09 < DataGhost> but I guess dd will do in that case 15:10 < linuxstb> I would rather not give a user the ability to trash their hard disk... They always have dd on Linux, or itunes elsewhere to restore... 15:10 < DataGhost> checking the -w option should suffice for any normal person, people who need the functionality are on linux anyway, or know how to do it 15:10 < GodEater> the ratio of internet population of people with clue is slowly diminishing :( 15:11 < GodEater> the Long September indeed 15:11 < linuxstb> I blame that Tim Berners-Lee, if we were still using ftp and gopher, we would be fine... 15:12 < GodEater> too right 15:12 < DataGhost> sad fact: 15:12 < DataGhost> we're contributing 15:12 < GodEater> telnet4life 15:13 < GodEater> DataGhost: that may be so, but at least we're going down fighting ;) 15:13 < rvvs89> An article in a mainstream Australian magazine reads: "Email is dead" 15:13 < rvvs89> apparently 15:13 < GodEater> rvvs89: I'll tell the email guys here at work 15:13 < GodEater> thank god 15:13 < GodEater> I never have to load Notes again 15:13 < DataGhost> GodEater I meant, by creating installers and such 15:13 < rvvs89> :D 15:13 < GodEater> DataGhost: I know - but we're still here complaining about how dim people are. 15:13 < DataGhost> true :) 15:13 -!- Torahteen [n=Jordan@207-119-153-89.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 15:14 < DataGhost> rvvs89 I'd also say it's dead 15:14 < DataGhost> I'm receiving 600+ spammails a day now 15:14 < linuxstb> DataGhost: Although what choice do we have - it's easier to create installers than to constantly deal with the support requests caused by command-line install processes... 15:14 < DataGhost> more and more are false negative 15:14 < DataGhost> and some are false positive :X 15:14 < GodEater> the choice is to provide no support at all 15:14 < DataGhost> so I just *lose* important things 15:14 * GodEater finds Gmail's spam identification 99.99999% on the money 15:15 < Flygisoft> so, what should i do now? why does it look like that for me? :P 15:15 < GodEater> Flygisoft: is ":P" like punctuation for you ? 15:16 < Flygisoft> yeah, something like that 15:16 < GodEater> linuxstb: I assume you tried absolutely none of the stuff I gave you last night ? ;) 15:20 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.203.53] has joined #ipodlinux 15:32 * Crystal` brb 15:35 < Flygisoft> is it something wrong with the partions on my ipod, or can it look like that? 15:37 -!- Crystal` [n=Icewease@host12-19-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:43 -!- screwt846 [i=screwt8@gateway/tor/x-ae6a5e699d66857d] has joined #ipodlinux 15:52 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.203.53] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:07 -!- theycallmepost [n=theycall@80.33.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:13 < theycallmepost> anyone care to lend a hand with the hardware side of ipod serial communication? 16:23 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 16:27 -!- BeckieRGB [n=beckie@24-176-224-126.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:27 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:27 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 16:33 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:34 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 16:35 -!- JohnNy64-konik [i=johnny64@phoenix.wheel.sk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:43 -!- Gekkko[PDA] [i=gekko@owned.by.the.pico.edit0r.info] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:47 -!- theycallmepost [n=theycall@80.33.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 16:47 -!- rage1 [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 16:47 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:51 -!- rezn [n=user@ec2-67-202-4-61.z-1.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:56 -!- rezn [n=user@ec2-67-202-4-61.z-1.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit ["leaving"] 17:00 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 17:05 -!- rager [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:12 -!- miraage [n=boris@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:17 -!- rage1 [n=rager@ragerbook.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:20 < miraage> I want to learn more about how to communicate to an iPod/etc over the Apple serial dock connector. I tried looking at libgpod but there's nothing there. Any ideas where I can find this? 17:23 < mackstann> there is no communication as far as i know 17:23 < mackstann> it has a filesystem that you put stuff on 17:24 < miraage> So it mounts as usb mass storage? 17:24 < mackstann> yeah 17:24 < mackstann> just mount /dev/sdX1 and there it is 17:25 < miraage> Syncing with ipod not my end goal. I'm planning to reverse eng the Nike+ kit 17:26 < miraage> Which talks serial to the iPod. Does iPodLinux also export something mountable to sync? Or serial? Hm, does it allow syncing even? 17:31 < linuxstb> Accessories will communicate via the serial port, but afaik there is no working driver for the ipod serial port. 17:31 < linuxstb> (for PP502x ipods) 17:32 < BleuLlama> 3rd gen ipods have a serial port device you can talk with, none of the later ipods' serial ports have an available device 17:32 < BleuLlama> correct 17:32 < BleuLlama> miraage: if you wan t to work on the serial protocol for like the nike+ hardware, i suggest getting the ipod serial interface from Sparkfun.com 17:32 < BleuLlama> then you can just plug it into your desktop machine, and talk with the device directly 17:33 < miraage> BleuLlama: This is for convenience, right? 17:33 < BleuLlama> hmm? I don't understand your question 17:34 < miraage> I want Nike+ integrated with iPhone, which is probably much easier to work with compared to iPods, since I can just ssh in and it's OS X. 17:35 < BleuLlama> sure, but it will be substantially easier to develop your test/protocol software on a desktop machine. nail the protocol. then get it working on the ipod 17:35 < BleuLlama> one variable at a time 17:35 < miraage> Interface is just a convenience when the device is kinda dumb, yes? 17:35 < BleuLlama> i don't understand your question 17:36 < miraage> Nevermind, I see your point. But iPhone is really quite nice to develop for. 17:37 < miraage> So I might just skip the serial interface. 17:37 < BleuLlama> huh? the dock connector based items communicate through seiral 17:38 < BleuLlama> you will need a serial interface to talk to it through 17:38 < miraage> But the iPhone already has a serial interface. 17:38 < BleuLlama> being that this is #ipodlinux, i assumed you were talking about using an iPod, not an iPhone, as well as linux 17:38 < miraage> Sorry, I just thought that folks here would know the most about the serial port. 17:40 < miraage> Have you done stuff with that serial-to-usb interface? 17:45 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.203.53] has joined #ipodlinux 17:46 -!- The-Compiler [n=florian@241.29.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:48 -!- BeckieRGB [n=beckie@24-176-224-126.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has quit [] 18:02 -!- skittle7 [n=5ac66048@207.250.49.24] has joined #ipodlinux 18:03 < skittle7> hello everyone 18:04 < skittle7> im no good with development but i heard the memory bug is being fixed? 18:10 < skittle7> anyone know? 18:14 -!- saNz`oFF [i=saNz@p5B05DD71.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:14 -!- saNz`oFF is now known as saNz 18:15 < saNz> Hi, i tried at work and now at home with my 5G 30Gb iPOD, to install Linux, but "unable to modify firmware" message is received at the end, i only can find a entry from 7 August, but no answer, give's something new to this problem? or have any a idea ? 18:16 < BleuLlama> miraage: i've used the same serial interface with the arduino. it's just a standard usb-serial device 18:16 -!- Rprp [n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit ["Cant sleep..... Clowns will eat me."] 18:18 -!- RvX [n=chatzill@80.50.28.38] has joined #ipodlinux 18:18 < saNz> http://ipodlinux.org/Talk:Support <- there is my problem, something new? 18:18 < RvX> hello 18:20 -!- Rprp [n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 18:20 < skittle7> saNz 18:21 < skittle7> restore and use iPodLinux Manager 18:21 < skittle7> or keripos sneak peak installer 18:21 -!- saNz [i=saNz@p5B05DD71.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:23 < RvX> I own iPod Color (4G) with 20 GB hard drive. The iPod freezes when I want to run some tests in Diagnostic Mode. When I restart it, it shows Folder with excamation mark icon and www.apple.com/support/ipod . When I plug it to USB charger, it shows loading icon, but it isn't animated, while charging it sometimes goes to Disk Mode. What may be broken? 18:23 -!- Crystal` [n=Icewease@host12-19-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ipodlinux 18:28 < BleuLlama> RvX: does it make a "Whrrrrrrr-CLICK" noise? 18:33 < kick52> RvX: sounds like it is screwed more than.. 18:34 * kick52 tries to think of an non-nsfw innuendo 18:35 < RvX> BleuLlama: not much, it sounds rather fine 18:35 < BleuLlama> i think the drive or the IDE ribbon are faulty 18:35 < BleuLlama> not much? 18:35 < BleuLlama> it's a yes or no question 18:35 < RvX> not much clicking 18:36 < RvX> well, how could I check the IDE ribbon? 18:36 < BleuLlama> well, if you hear a whrrrrr-click-silence, repeated noise, it's the drive 18:37 < BleuLlama> you open it up and check it 18:37 < BleuLlama> i'd say that you should try the apple restore, past that, get a new ipod, sell this one as broken on ebay 18:37 < RvX> but what if it freezes on many Diagnostic tests? 18:37 < BleuLlama> or replace the drive 18:37 < BleuLlama> many? which ones does it freeze on? 18:38 < RvX> w8 a second 18:38 < BleuLlama> please spell out your words in here 18:39 < RvX> SDRAM, IRAM, and HDScan 18:40 < RvX> these tests can't be finished because iPod gets freezed 18:41 < RvX> and when it freezes, the vertical curve appears 18:41 < BleuLlama> the vertical curve? 18:41 -!- Rprp [n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:41 < RvX> yes, accross the screen 18:42 -!- Rprp [n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 18:42 < RvX> I don't think it's (just) a disk 18:43 < BleuLlama> what is a vertical curve? 18:43 < RvX> it's a irregular line that runs across the display 18:44 < BleuLlama> i think your hardware is very messed up 18:44 < BleuLlama> bring it to an apple store, and show it to them. then buy a new/refurbished ipos 18:44 < BleuLlama> ipod* 18:50 < BleuLlama> i still don't know what a curved line is 18:51 -!- perror [n=fleury@mazurek.labri.fr] has quit ["I'll be back !"] 18:53 < RvX> I'll try to put my MK2004GAL from 3g to 4g 18:57 -!- Gimp__ [n=malcolm@S010600c049ed94ef.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:58 -!- Gimp_ [n=malcolm@growl/gimp] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:58 -!- Gimp__ is now known as Gimp_ 19:20 -!- fxb is now known as fxb__ 19:20 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.203.53] has quit [] 19:22 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.203.53] has joined #ipodlinux 19:23 -!- fxb__ is now known as fxb 19:29 -!- oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:40 -!- RedDak [n=dak@host44-81-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ipodlinux 19:55 * Crystal` is back 20:02 -!- oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:22 -!- oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:28 -!- Crystal` [n=Icewease@host12-19-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["Sto andando via"] 20:32 -!- meatmanek [n=meatmane@meatmanek.student.cwru.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:32 -!- Travis__ [n=chatzill@adsl-75-42-221-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:37 < Travis__> any info on new ipods 20:42 -!- RvX [n=chatzill@80.50.28.38] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/0000000000]"] 20:42 < Travis__> any info on new ipods? 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