--- Log opened Sun Sep 09 00:00:08 2007
00:01 < jbit> courtc: i made my sio circuit
00:01 < jbit> trying to test it
00:01 < jbit> only thing i know that does serial output on 5.5g is the oficial firmware
00:01 < jbit> only way i know of talking to official firmware is using the apple accessory protocol
00:02 < jbit> but ipod device i mean like a remote control or something
00:02 < courtc> oh, sorry no.
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01:19 < jbit> does anybody know how to get a 5.5g ipod to output some random stuff from its rs232 port?
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02:03 < floam> anyone know what chip is in the new ipod classic yet? there are teardown pictures but they aren't very clear
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02:35 < HellDragon> hmm
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03:18 < mackstann> anyone have a new nano?
03:19 < mackstann> i'm trying to figure out why it doesn't like the iTunesDB file that any of the linux tools create
03:33 < phire> because everytime apple releases a new generation, they change the file format
04:09 < HellDragon> yeah
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04:33 < phire> the guy at http://www.gtkpod.org/todo.html is collecting donations to go towards a new ipod so he can get gtkpod to work with the newest ipods
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04:51 < BleuLlama> davidc__!
04:51 < davidc__> yo
04:52 < BleuLlama> yo backatcha!
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06:53 < daniel_was_here> wow...
06:53 < daniel_was_here> whats with the extra amount of people?
06:54 < daniel_was_here> did someone die.. anyway.
06:54 < daniel_was_here> Is there an example of TTK/Hotdog used together?
06:54 < daniel_was_here> im too lazy to edit Makefiles :/
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08:51 < mackstann> new iTunesDB has a lot of weird stuff in it
08:52 < mackstann> it's like 53k vs the 31k that gnupod generated from the same set of music
08:52 < mackstann> main header has a bunch of extra stuff in it
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13:02 < Diamonds_and_Rus> Hi, installing iPodLinux on my 30Gb 5.5g iPod, following the instructions at this link http://ipodlinux.org/5.5G, I have this error before starting the boot loader: "Not valid FAT superblock" and then appears for less than a second "ext2fs NOT found", then comes the loader but I can only choose "Apple OS", "Disk mode" and "sleep"
13:06 < DataGhost> which loader version did you install?
13:06 < Santanabaer> seems like the loader2 
13:06 < Diamonds_and_Rus> yes loader2
13:07 < DataGhost> yes, I am aware of that. there is more than 1 version of loader2 -_-
13:07 < Santanabaer> DataGhost: chill man ;)
13:07 < DataGhost> so, which version did you install?
13:08 < Diamonds_and_Rus> I installed Ipodloader2-2.5.tar.gz
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13:09 < DataGhost> hm. that's weird then.
13:09 < DataGhost> and you're sure you created the FAT32 partition correctly and created ext2/3?
13:12 < Diamonds_and_Rus> I think so... but if I have this error I can't say I'm sure
13:12 < imphasing> Who has a backup of the whole SVN tree? :)
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13:50 < rvvs89> imphasing: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25962
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14:22 < DataGhost> hm rvvs89 did you delete something from firestarglo?
14:26 < rvvs89> Possibly, if it looked anything like spam
14:26 < rvvs89> I avoid deleting non spam topics
14:26 < rvvs89> Could you link me to his profile?
14:27 < DataGhost> well I saw that user, 'posting message'
14:27 < DataGhost> so I banned him after looking at his profile
14:27 < DataGhost> hoping that he'd be banned before he posted anything
14:27 < DataGhost> until I noticed that his status was from a couple of minutes earlier :P
14:27 < rvvs89> :P
14:28 < rvvs89> Is this from just 5 minutes ago?
14:28 < rvvs89> Oh right, "newest registered user"
14:29 < rvvs89> Damned spammers
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14:39 < imphasing> Awesome, my nameserver is totally screwed. I love it <3
14:43 < perror> ?!? ô_ó
14:44 < rvvs89> imphasing: How many machines do you have?
14:45 < imphasing> Just one, this is my server somewhere in Texas
14:46 < imphasing> I'm setting it up from scratch though, which is a joy because I never really use CentOS
14:46 < imphasing> :(
14:47 < rvvs89> Ah, fun
14:47 < tittof> you cannot talk about setting something up from scratch while using CentOS lol
14:47 < tittof> isn't is that rhel derivate.. just without their support
14:47 < imphasing> How true.. I'd love to just put Gentoo on this, but it's a VPS
14:49 < Santanabaer> I m reading @ http://ipodlinux.org/Updating_kernel,  I did download the uclinux-2.4.24-ipod0.tar.gz   .. and I just like to ask if it is that easy as extracting the tar rename the uclinux-2.4.24-inpod0.bin file to linux.bin     and replace it with the existing one on the ipod is a good idea?
14:51 < sid77> Santanabaer: do a backup of linux.bin and then just copy over ;-)
14:51 < Santanabaer> ok :)
14:52 < sid77> however I suggest you trying out the newer kernel than the nightly buil, there's more fun :D http://ipodlinux.org/Experimental_kernel
14:52 < sid77> *build
14:52 < Santanabaer> how much 'more' fun ? :)
14:53 < sid77> ahah just joking
14:53 < sid77> it's quite the same
14:53 < sid77> however you don't need the loader2args hack anymore with it
14:54 < sid77> (so you have to modify /etc/rc in order to ignore loader2args switch)
14:55 < Santanabaer> sid77: well I began yesterday with the entire thing ... and used the installer2 (official install way)  to install ipodlinux on ipod ... now I noticed the thing is pretty outdated, and since I have some problems with MPD connection ,  I wanted to update some modules and possibly kernel, podzilla2 and appearance module 
14:55 < sid77> btw, the page you linked only applies in case you're using Loader2 kernel loader
14:55 < Santanabaer> I do
14:55 < sid77> Well, I really don't like mpd, it just doesn't work (for now)
14:56 < sid77> (and for me)
14:56 < Santanabaer> sid77: so you are without music on ipodlinux ?
14:56 < sid77> however the terminal module is simply wonderful :D
14:56 < sid77> yep
14:56 < sid77> ipodlinux only for terminal stuff and games
14:56 < Santanabaer> I want to try the 0.4 v 
14:56 < Santanabaer> of MPD
14:56 < sid77> music and videos are run under rockbox or original firmware
14:57 < Santanabaer> ohh well
14:57 < Santanabaer> possibly an idea ;)
14:57 < sid77> have to go, bye
14:57 < Santanabaer> bye sid77 ;)
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17:02  * imphasing yawns
17:02 < imphasing> Active channel.
17:15 < linuxstb> imphasing: Where? ;)
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17:22 < Nightcrawler> hi, how can I modify the loader.cfg to add rockbox in the loader?
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17:29 < imphasing> I can imagine the wiki would tell you how to do that.
17:29 < imphasing> http://ipodlinux.org
17:29 < imphasing> Simple.
17:30 < Nightcrawler> mh yes, I've read ths page http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2#Config_File_Example but I didn't find the answer
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17:34 < Nightcrawler> i followed these instruction but i can't also load the apple firmware
17:37 < linuxstb> How did you install loader2?
17:38  * linuxstb wonders why the Loader_2 wiki page doesn't suggest ipodpatcher (and waits to be told it's a wiki...)
17:44 < DataGhost> it's a wiki
17:45 < DataGhost> but you know that
17:45 < DataGhost> I also wonder why it doesn't. Probably too lazy to do it :P
17:45 < DataGhost> or make_fw was fixed I guess
17:46 < linuxstb> I don't like to do it, as it's not my project...  But the bootloader install is just "ipodpatcher -ab loader2.bin" ....
17:47 < linuxstb> And that's it.
17:50 < BleuLlama> linuxstb: the wiki needs some rearrangement.  moving the ipodpatcher info from the 5.5g page to that page would be a good idea
17:50 < BleuLlama> it's the old problem of having the same conceptual idea on multiple pages.  it gets messy
17:51 < DataGhost> cleaning up is a completely new project
17:51 < DataGhost> *registers on SF*
17:51 < BleuLlama> heh
17:51 < BleuLlama> DataGhost WINS THE INTERNETS
17:52 < DataGhost> nooooo! I don't want spam:(
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18:02 < Nightcrawler> I installed using simply the intaller by DataGhost
18:03 < DataGhost> then there is no loader.cfg
18:04 < Nightcrawler> I saw that and than I created a new one
18:06 < imphasing> Does the IPL SVN use svnserve or the apache2 module?
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18:21 < fxb> imphasing: we used the apache module.
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18:25 < DerangedJava> other than ltools, is it possible to access an ext2 partition from windows xp
18:25 < DerangedJava> or do i have to wait untill i get home and boot my debian hdd
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18:28 < BleuLlama> afaik, ltools *is* the solution
18:28 < BleuLlama> oh.  nevermind. you're gone
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18:42 < HardDisk_WP> hi
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18:56 < Nightcrawler> DataGhost: now I can boot apple os and rockbox, but when i try to go on sleep mode or disk mode it says "command not found"
18:57 < DataGhost> that means you spelled it wrong
18:58 < Santanabaer> DataGhost: you wrote the installers ? :)
18:58 < Nightcrawler> Sleep @ standby 
18:58 < Santanabaer> I did read above
18:58 < Nightcrawler> Disk Mode @ diskmode
18:58 < Nightcrawler> it's wrong?
18:58 < DataGhost> spaces at the end?
18:58 < DataGhost> Santanabaer eh?
18:59 < DataGhost> only one
18:59 < Santanabaer> DataGhost: 1 sec
18:59 < Santanabaer> 20:02 < Nightcrawler> I installed using simply the intaller by DataGhost
18:59 < DataGhost> yes I made only 1 installer
18:59 < Santanabaer> ahh
19:00 < DataGhost> experimental though, I wouldn't really recommend it but it's fine to get yourself familiar with iPL and some default settings
19:00 < DataGhost> basic modifications are easy but more complex modifications are easier with a 'normal' installation
19:00 < Santanabaer> ohh well about 99 % of this project is experimental ;)
19:11 < Santanabaer> crap I almost did it !
19:11 < Santanabaer> damn .. my hacking the entire day didnt help
19:24 < Santanabaer> oh wait .. gonna try the beta mpd
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19:57 < Santanabaer> DataGhost: still around ?
19:57 < DataGhost> yes, trying to prove algorithm and determining their running time, but yes I'm still around
19:57 < DataGhost> +s somewhere
19:57 < Santanabaer> ;)
19:57 < Santanabaer> I wondered 1 thing ...
19:58 < Santanabaer> I just opened an error.log of mpd   and got this:  10 09:41 : cannot open music_directory "/iPod_Control/Music/" (config line 2): No such file or directory
19:58 < fxb> /mnt/iPod_Control/Music/
19:58 < DataGhost> probably because you didn't create a symlink '/iPod_Control' -> '/mnt/iPod_Control'
19:59 < Santanabaer> yeah I d have to tell the ipod to mount the iPod_Control 
20:02 < Santanabaer> well I created the symlink now ... hope it mounts on reboot 
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20:04 < Santanabaer> yuppie :D
20:04 < Santanabaer> damn it works :D
20:04 < Santanabaer> finally
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21:18 < Santanabaer> 1 more question ... why would I need to downsample my mp3 (now that I run podzilla2 + mpd) to avoid the real-time decoding problems ....  if I never had problems on podzilla1
21:19 < Santanabaer> I dont understand why that could happen
21:30 < BleuLlama> mpd should be able to play 320k mp3.  that's courtc's results anyway, on modern ipods
21:30 < BleuLlama> dunno what Mini can do. i don't remember which CPU it has in it.  
21:31 < kick52> night
21:32 < BleuLlama> 5020.  should work up to 320k
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21:32 < Santanabaer> hmmm thx 
21:33 < Santanabaer> BleuLlama: but thats it ... i dont get why it makes difference from podzilla1 to podzilla2
21:33 < Santanabaer> there must be something slowing the entire process down
21:34 < BleuLlama> pz0 had integrated playback in the pz app, pz2 uses mpd which is a second thread, which uses more ram and processor time to switch to, so there's a little more overhad, but it should play fine as long as you don't like try to play a game while playing mp3s
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21:34 < Santanabaer> BleuLlama: I check what sampling rate I used
21:34 < Santanabaer> thx for that explaination
21:35 < Santanabaer> it was very helpfull 
21:55 < DataGhost> I rock
21:55 < DataGhost> 5 minutes before the deadline \o/
21:55 < BleuLlama> it's true
21:56 < DataGhost> the subject is called 'Data structures' but this part was mainly about algorithms, (induction) proving that they are correct, running times and that sort of thing
21:56 < DataGhost> note to self: next time, start earlier than 4 hours before the deadline
21:57 < DataGhost> BleuLlama can you refresh my memory?
21:57 < DataGhost> VMPod on the wiki... that was deleted, right?
21:57 < BleuLlama> i don't even know what it is
21:58 < DataGhost> oh no wait never mind, I've got something mixed up again.. and it's the talk page that's been created, not the page page
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22:35 < Santanabaer> BleuLlama: I checked the samp. rate again:  I'm not even at half of 320k  ..   I use 128k   at 44100 Hz 
22:36 < Santanabaer> looks pretty bad 
22:36 < DataGhost> eh. you could try adding another battery widget, that should speed things up a bit
22:36 < DataGhost> it's caused by ttk, I believe.
22:37 < Santanabaer> thx DataGhost I try that out ... hope it works
22:37 < DataGhost> whoa great! :D
22:38 < DataGhost> I just realized that I don't have to leave at 7:20 tomorrow (get up at 6:15) but at 12:20 :)
22:38 < Santanabaer> for work ?
22:38 < DataGhost> nah, study
22:38 < Santanabaer> :) we ve got semester holidays here
22:38 < DataGhost> http://dataghost.com/rooster-en.php I'm not allowed to participate in that 'design-based learning' because I was a lazy bastard last year
22:39 < DataGhost> http://dataghost.com/rooster_en.php even
22:39 < Santanabaer> ahwww
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22:40 < Santanabaer> but interesting time shedule
22:40 < Santanabaer> ;)
22:41 < DataGhost> yes, very. I like thursday the most... but that's just because there's a party on thursdays (16:30)
22:41 < Santanabaer> lolol
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22:44 < Santanabaer> DataGhost: do you maybe have that link to the suggstion about the widget thing?  ...  I found it earlier today ... but not anymore now
22:44 < DataGhost> eh probably somewhere on the wiki, [[mpd]] or [[podzilla]] or something? else check the forums
22:44 < DataGhost> or eh. search the wiki for 'widget'
22:44 < Santanabaer> ok
22:44 < Santanabaer> ;)
22:45 < BleuLlama> i forgot about the widget thing
22:46 < DataGhost> http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&c2coff=1&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=HQV&q=mpd+battery+widget+site%3Aipodlinux.org&btnG=Search
22:46 < DataGhost> voila
22:46 < DataGhost> Santanabaer
22:46 < Santanabaer> omg blame me 
22:46 < Santanabaer> :(
22:46 < Santanabaer> you used google and found it
22:46 < DataGhost> hm. no real explanation there, either. heh.
22:47 < Santanabaer> lol
22:47 < DataGhost> *evil* fxb__ knows, bug him! *runs*
22:47 < DataGhost> sneaky, he went offline a few minutes ago
22:48 < Santanabaer> http://ipodlinux.org/Special:Module/mpd  << found it :D there it was
22:48 < Santanabaer> short line in the end
22:49 < DataGhost> ah, meter.
22:49 < DataGhost> and it's in the special namespace, I don't think that's included in searches by default
22:50 < Santanabaer> I would have added that short line to the other MPD page - problems? chapter
22:50 < Santanabaer> just aint got an account :>
22:50 < Santanabaer> on wiki
22:51 < DataGhost> silly excuse, trivial solution :)
22:51 < Santanabaer> :P
22:51 < Santanabaer> ok :) I register ;)
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22:56 < Santanabaer> http://ipodlinux.org/Mpd#Problems.3F  <-- done 
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22:56 < userek> Hello
22:57 < userek> does ipod shuffle 2g use same chip as shuffle 1g? 
22:57 < userek> maybe not exacly ipodlinux related question :)
22:58 < DataGhost> if you read the Generations page, you'd know that we have no idea
22:58 < userek> i did
22:58 < AriX_> there was a video tutorial on my page?
22:58 < AriX_> How come I didn't know :P
22:58 < DataGhost> 'your page'?
22:58 < userek> but since there was no information, so i thought i'll ask here
22:58 < DataGhost> userek well, buy a 1g and a 2g shuffle, open them and compare
22:59 < linuxstb> I thought the 2g shuffle had a samsung cpu?  (I forget where I read that though).
22:59 < DataGhost> also a 3g shuffle (released a couple of days ago) because we're still not sure whether or not it justifies a generation bump
22:59 < DataGhost> linuxstb isn't that the 2G nano?
22:59 < userek> DataGhost, well thanks for your advice :D
22:59 < linuxstb> DataGhost: See here - http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Shuffle-2nd-Generation/Disassembly/100/1/Page-3/Disassembly
23:00 < userek> i have a 2g shuffle already but im not going to oepn it
23:00 < DataGhost> hm ok
23:00 < DataGhost> well I've only once seen a shuffle lying around the table, it's my mom's. I really couldn't be bothered at all
23:00 < Santanabaer> dammit :<  battery meters dont help 
23:00 < userek> im just wonderign if there is a gcc for this stuff, i hope to get some alternative firmware oneday
23:00 < DataGhost> but eh. now you remind me of the generations page and the lack of information, while there have been dissections (3Gnano and 6G)
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23:00 < DataGhost> so I'm going to update a bit :)
23:02 < linuxstb> userek: The 2nd gen Shuffle has a CPU with an ARM core.  gcc isn't the problem - cracking the encrpytion so you can run third-party code and reverse-engineering the hardware is the problem.
23:02 < userek> linuxstb, i see thanks, i hope someone will crack it 
23:03 < userek> why apple has to complicate everything
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23:09 < Santanabaer> because it loves u
23:09 < Santanabaer> ;)
23:09 < userek> hahah definitly
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23:11 < userek> shuffle with functionality of zen stone wolud be a perfect player 
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23:15 < Santanabaer> hmmm seems the playback problems are away 
23:15  * Santanabaer prays
23:26 < DataGhost> zen stone? :o
23:26 < DataGhost> makes me think of a brick
23:26 < Santanabaer> lol
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23:32 < userek> pretty small for a brick :)
23:32 < userek> anyway it has all the features that shuffle lacks
23:33 < DataGhost> display?
23:33 < userek> well, zen stone plus does have it
23:33 < DataGhost> is it just as small?
23:33 < userek> but i was talkig about stuff like playlists 
23:34 < userek> and ablility to just drag and drop mp3's to it
23:34 < userek> and play them
23:34 < DataGhost> 12,8MM!? that's as thick as my 5.5G 80GB
23:34 < DataGhost> mm even
23:35 < DataGhost> Mm is quite big and MM has no meaning at all
23:35 < DataGhost> makes me think of the IT crowd
23:35 < DataGhost> 'this year, we made 1800 billion billion'
23:38 < userek> heh
23:39 < userek> okay time for me bye!
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23:43 < Santanabaer> :)
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