--- Log opened Mon Sep 03 00:00:07 2007
00:02 < sebajosh> Does anyone know how to use the getLoader2Args with the expereimental(2.4.32) kernel?
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00:05 < casperzshado> someones here
00:06 < casperzshado> ipod video
00:12 < Chinaski1> casperzshado, i suggest to follow this guide http://ipodlinux.org/Installation_from_Linux, i had problems with  the installer too.
00:15 < casperzshado> did you try installing via windows?
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00:25 < casperzshado> got lost for a sec
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00:26 < Chinaski1> no i did not
00:31 < casperzshado> i cant get to the install instructions on that website anymore? huh?
00:33 < casperzshado> all of the links bring me to the main page
00:33 < casperzshado> this doesnt make any sence
00:35 < sebajosh> Use the search mechanism on the main page and look for '
00:35 < sebajosh> Installation from linux
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01:00 < casperzshado> how do i get the installer 2 to work?
01:04 < sebajosh> I think you have to use the Netless installer because of the server crash.
01:05 < casperzshado> the server is back up
01:06 < casperzshado> i have the installer, but i dont know what to do with it, what do i use to open it, do i extract it somewhere?
01:06 < sebajosh> Are you on linux or windows?
01:07 < casperzshado> linux
01:07 < sebajosh> Is it still in tarball form? With a .tar.gz ending?
01:08 < casperzshado> no, not once i open it, changes to tar 1
01:09 < sebajosh> Open up a terminal. Are you familiar with basic Linux commands? E.g.: cp, cd, mv, tar, etc.
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01:10 < casperzshado> im familiar with the terminal not those yet
01:11 < casperzshado> still feeling my way around linux, 
01:11 < sebajosh> Okay, then. cd into the directory/folder where you extracted the installer.
01:12 < casperzshado> its extracted on my desktop
01:12 < casperzshado> ipodlinux-installer-2.3lx   is its new name
01:13 < sebajosh> Then the cd command should be something like cd Desktop/ipodlinux-installer-2.3lx
01:13 < casperzshado> what do you mean by cd, im in the terminal
01:14 < casperzshado> ok
01:14 < sebajosh> Type this exactly: cd Desktop/ipodlinux-installer-2.
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01:14 < sebajosh> Damn enter key. It should be: cd Desktop/ipodlinux-installer-2.3ls
01:15 < sebajosh> x, whatever
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01:16 < casperzshado> no such file or directory
01:17 < sebajosh> You know the name of the directory. Type: cd ~/Desktop/FOLDER_NAME_HERE
01:17 < sebajosh> Don't forget the tilde character(~).
01:18 < casperzshado> not sure what im missing
01:19 < casperzshado> its written right
01:19 < sebajosh> What Linux distro do you have?
01:20 < casperzshado> ubuntu 7.04
01:21 < sebajosh> In terminal, type: ls
01:21 < sebajosh> Then, type: ls Desktop/
01:22 < casperzshado> no such directory
01:22 < sebajosh> Even with the capital D?
01:23 < casperzshado> oh
01:23 < casperzshado> sorry about that
01:23 < casperzshado> how long had that been the problem?
01:24 < sebajosh> Probably since the first command. Anyways, there should be an executable file in there.
01:24 < sebajosh> Type: ./installer<TAB>
01:27 < casperzshado> ok, im sorry, so should i put in that first code that you told me to before?
01:27 < sebajosh> No, it should be after that.
01:28 < casperzshado> so should it look like this?
01:28 < casperzshado> adam@adam-desktop:~$ 
01:28 < casperzshado> or in the desktop
01:29 < casperzshado> ls Desktop/
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01:29 < casperzshado> ok same page now
01:29 < sebajosh> It should look like: adam@adam-desktop:~/Desktop/INSTALLER-FOLDER$
01:29 < casperzshado> sorry
01:31 < casperzshado> now ./installer<TAB>
01:32 < sebajosh> For <TAB>, hit the tab button. I just checked the folder and that was unneccessary. Just: ./installer
01:33 < casperzshado> adam@adam-desktop:~/Desktop/ipodlinux-installer-2.3lx$ ./installer 
01:33 < sebajosh> Yup.
01:34 < casperzshado> cannot execute binary file
01:34 < sebajosh> Do you have a 64-bit computer? An Athlon64 processor?
01:35 < casperzshado> amd 64 athlon x2
01:36 < sebajosh> What version of Ubuntu? The AMD64 version or the regular 32-bit?
01:36 < casperzshado> im pretty sure feisty fawn only comes in 64 bit right?
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01:37 < casperzshado> as far as i know its 64
01:37 < sebajosh> Which ISO did you download to install Ubuntu?
01:37 < casperzshado> can that be double checked somewhere?
01:37 < sebajosh> Do you have the CD?
01:37 < casperzshado> it was a while ago
01:37 < casperzshado> yup
01:37 < casperzshado> no
01:38 < casperzshado> no i dont l let someone borrow it
01:38 < casperzshado> im sure its 64
01:38 < sebajosh> Type: uname -m
01:39 < casperzshado> i686
01:39 < sebajosh> You have the 32-bit version. Download the other netless, the one for x86 computers and use that one instead.
01:40 < casperzshado> oh, ok
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01:41 < sebajosh> If you're ever in doubt what to download, always get the 32-bit. AMD64 CPU's support that.
01:42 < casperzshado> ipodlinux-installer-2.3lx-netless-20070107.tar-1
01:43 < sebajosh> No, the other one. ipodlinux-installer-2.2l-netless
01:44 < casperzshado> extracted onto desktop again
01:44 < casperzshado> ipodlinux-installer-2.2l-netless-20060709
01:44 < sebajosh> Yeah, that one.
01:44 < casperzshado> restart the process again?
01:45 < sebajosh> cd into it and type: ./installer
01:45 < casperzshado> one sec
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01:45 < casperzshado> ok, success
01:46 < casperzshado> im at the installer
01:47 < casperzshado> error accessing filesystem
01:47 < sebajosh> If you get errors about dependancies, then just follow what they say and fix them. It just takes some common sense, that's all.
01:47 < casperzshado> ok
01:48 < casperzshado> i have to go back to windows in order to recreate it
01:48 < sebajosh> Recreate what?
01:48 < casperzshado> no, ill use my bros pc
01:49 < casperzshado> my fat filesystem'
01:50 < sebajosh> Yeah, do that. Before you plug it in, make sure that any iTunes-related tasks(iPodService.exe, iTunes.exe, and iTunesHelper.exe) are killed with Task Manager.
01:50 < sebajosh> Otherwise, iTunes will complain that you need to restore your iPod.
01:51 < casperzshado> he doesnt have itunes on his pc, how do i recreate it without itunes, just reformat it?
01:52 < sebajosh> Yeah. Open up My Computer, then right-click your iPod, whatever letter it is, and go to "Format..."
01:53 < casperzshado> brb
01:55 < casperzshado> reformatted
01:56 < sebajosh> Now you should be able to use iTunes and your iPod like normal. Save for the fact iPodLinux is installed  :) 
01:56 < casperzshado> its still having a problem accessing it
01:57 < sebajosh> What's the error?
01:57 < casperzshado> error code 22
01:58 < casperzshado> invalid arguement
01:58 < casperzshado> not able to access me sysinfo
01:58 < sebajosh> Did you change it to install iPodLinux?
01:59 < casperzshado> change my sysinfo?
01:59 < casperzshado> no
02:00 < sebajosh> Is iTunes giving that error?
02:00 < casperzshado> no, the installer
02:01 < sebajosh> Wait a minute. I thought you already installed iPodLinux?
02:02 < casperzshado> installed it on my pc, was it suppose to go on the ipod?
02:03 < sebajosh> How did you install it on your PC?
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02:04 < casperzshado> all the things that you told me to do got this little installer thing on my desktop and said it was going to look for my ipod
02:04 < sebajosh> It was supposed to install it...
02:04 < casperzshado> adam@adam-desktop:~/Desktop/ipodlinux-installer-2.2l-netless-20060709$ ./installer 
02:05 < sebajosh> Did it ever copy files to your iPod?
02:05 < casperzshado> it said it was going to look for it but i never got past the first step
02:06 < casperzshado> it couldnt fint my sysinfo on my ipod
02:07 < sebajosh> Then restore your iPod. What generation is it?
02:07 < casperzshado> 5g
02:08 < sebajosh> Restore it and I'll help you with the manual install on the wiki. http://www.ipodlinux.org/5G#Installation
02:09 < Chinaski1> casperzshado, where did you find the netless installer for linux?
02:09 < casperzshado> restore or reformat?
02:10 < sebajosh> casperzshado: Restore
02:10 < casperzshado> www.ipodlinux.org
02:10 < casperzshado> ok ill be back, have to switch to windows
02:10 < sebajosh> Chinaski1: It's on the Installer2 wiki page. Just make sure you get the 2.2l, not 2.3lx.  ;) 
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02:11 < Chinaski1> ok
02:12 < sebajosh> Will someone tell casperzshado when he get's back I'll be back tommorow morning? I've got to go.
02:12 < Chinaski1> k
02:12 < Chinaski1> i do
02:12 < sebajosh> Thanks.
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02:12 < Chinaski1> np
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02:18 < casperzshado> ok, its restored
02:18 < casperzshado> what was that website i need to go to?
02:19 < Chinaski1> hello
02:20 < casperzshado> hello
02:20 < Chinaski1> sebajosh has gone away.he told me to refer you that he 'll be back tomorrow morning
02:21 < casperzshado> well now what am i suppose to do
02:21 < Chinaski1> dunno
02:21 < casperzshado> guess i gotta go at it alone
02:22 < Chinaski1> don't ask me i am a noob
02:22 < casperzshado> gonna need more beer for this
02:22 < casperzshado> as am i
02:22 < Chinaski1> k i need to sleep
02:22 < Chinaski1> i go bye
02:22 < casperzshado> later
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03:06 < casperzshado> if anyone comes in here that can gimme a hand with this ipodlinux i would much appriciate it
03:07 < `sam`> casperzshado, here is the link sebajosh was telling you he'd help you with: http://www.ipodlinux.org/5G#Installation
03:07 < casperzshado> is that the manual one?
03:07 < `sam`> it's the manual install for 5th Generation ipod
03:08 < `sam`> are you sure it's a 5G and not 5.5? is it 30,60,80GB?
03:08 < casperzshado> im stuck on the fdisk part, i dont have fdisk and i tried gnome and it doesnt see the whole hdd of the ipod only 7 gigs
03:08 < casperzshado> 30 gig
03:09 < `sam`> what OS are you running?
03:10 < casperzshado> linux, i was running windows but the installer couldnt see it in windows, i dont know if it was because it was vista and not xp
03:10 < `sam`> hmm you should have fdisk, if not it can be easily installed
03:10 < `sam`> you running ubuntu?
03:10 < casperzshado> ubuntu feisty fawn
03:11 < casperzshado> i looked on synaptic there were 3 fdisks but i dont think any were the right ones
03:13 < `sam`> yeah i don't see it on there either... but i have fdisk installed, i'm not sure what package it's with
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03:14 < casperzshado> on that page you just showed me when it gets to downloads  kernel , im not sure what to do 
03:15 < `sam`> casperzshado, look for util-linux in synaptic
03:15 < `sam`> install that, it has fdisk
03:16 < `sam`> it also has mkfs which you'll need to create filesystems if/when you reformat 
03:16 < casperzshado> ok i have it installed
03:17 < `sam`> are you sure you have a 5G or is it 5.5G?
03:18 < casperzshado> how do i open it?
03:18 < `sam`> because some 30GB ipod videos are 5.5G
03:18 < casperzshado> oh, ok i guess i have the 5.5g
03:18 < casperzshado> i was unaware
03:18 < casperzshado> what does that mean?
03:19 < `sam`> 5.5G will have the last 3 digits of the serial number as one of these: V9K, V9P, V9M, V9R, V9L, V9N, V9Q, V9S, WU9, WUA, WUB, WUC, and X3N.
03:19 < `sam`> if it's a 30GB 5G then the last 3 digits will be W9G
03:21 < casperzshado> ok its a 5.5
03:21 < casperzshado> does that change what i have to do?
03:21 < `sam`> http://www.ipodlinux.org/5.5G
03:21 < `sam`> yeah, go to that page for installation for a 5.5G
03:22 < casperzshado> i suppose if this were easy i would have my mom do it
03:22 < `sam`> :)
03:23 < `sam`> since it sounds like you're new to linux or at least fdisk, you should probably read that page and review it, make sure you're following it exactly
03:24 < `sam`> well... just be sure to notice that the fdisk example they give is for the 80GB ipod, and not the 30GB, so you don't want to use the values they use in that example
03:25 < casperzshado> yeah, im new to linux, but this is basically how i learn, take something that i have no idea how to do, get really frusterated, brake things a lot, and maybe ill come up on top
03:25 < `sam`> yeah i don't think you can completely break them with this... but you can mess it up enough that it  might take you a few days to figure out how to fix it
03:26 < `sam`> and you might lose some hair
03:29 < casperzshado> yeah, thats how the dual boot was
03:32 < rvvs89> DataGhost: So which was the 6th clone? :P
03:33 < casperzshado> http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/linux64amd64/ipodpatcher
03:33 < casperzshado> anyone tell me what this is?
03:33 < casperzshado> what am i suppose to do with this?
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03:33 < rvvs89> casperzshado: It's a tool to patch your iPod's firmware image
03:34 < rvvs89> Reading the manual would be a good idea
03:34 < casperzshado> oh yeah
03:34 < casperzshado> good ideea
03:38 < casperzshado> where is this manual you speak of?
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04:31 < rvvs89> WhiteN'Nerdy wants to make "MMRPG with a Runescape interface, Second-Life type game, and Soldat's way of server management"
04:35 < BleuLlama> maybe if he tries, it'll keep him so busy he'll leave the forums
04:36 < BleuLlama> i'm amazed no one has mentioned the Off-topic prune
04:36 < rvvs89> Nah, he'll come up with an infinite number of problems that he will post in the Off-topic section
04:36 < rvvs89> ooh good point that
04:36 < rvvs89> Is that script still running?
04:36 < rvvs89> Wow
04:36 < rvvs89> it's happened
04:37 < BleuLlama> it's not so much a script as just running some SQL delete lines
04:37 < rvvs89> Heh, that's awesome
04:38 < rvvs89> I feel a lot better because of that :P
04:41 < BleuLlama> actually, for language interoperability with java, you can use the JNI stuff, which is stupid easy to work with, (although a little frustrating, like anything java) or you could go with something like ILU
04:41 < BleuLlama> ILU is nifty
04:41 < BleuLlama> it's been a few years since i touched it though
04:42 < BleuLlama> or if you want to go another step out, XML-RPC is always an option too
04:42 < BleuLlama> but i digress
04:42 < rvvs89> Yeah, I just like the J Monkey Engine though :P
04:42 < BleuLlama> :)
04:43  * rvvs89 looks at ILU
04:43 < BleuLlama> ILU was originally designed to let various languages easily call eachother and pass data
04:43 < BleuLlama> but then a layer was added for allowing the various modules to be on different systems, adding a network layer
04:44 < BleuLlama> very much like CORBA and things of that ilk
04:45 < rvvs89> It sounds MSXML-ish
04:46 < rvvs89> But I'm probably on a completely wrong track here
04:50 < BleuLlama> kinda, but it's not an XML level thing.  it's pure data, and they're all native function calls
04:50 < BleuLlama> with the exception of the network stuff
04:50 < BleuLlama> if i recall correctly
04:50 < BleuLlama> "pure data" -> binary data
04:51 < BleuLlama> plus, it's open source, so it's not locked down by any one company
04:51 < BleuLlama> and it's been in use for many years, so it's a known known.
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07:08 < daniel_was_here> courtc: Has there been any release of TinyGL so far?
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09:29  * rvvs89 is having awesome fun debugging a fairly simple C program...
09:37 < DataGhost> I just found a 'company' that's charging $179 for an interface like 'services.msc' (winXP), which does the same as 'services.msc' and can't do anything better than it
09:37 < DataGhost> I still have to reboot my pc because the audio service crashed -_-
09:38 < DataGhost> and cihan is funny... 'I think idarcnes uses .sh files' :)
09:44  * rvvs89 sighs
09:47 < rvvs89> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=229163#229163
09:47 < rvvs89> -.-
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13:53 < fps_max> any progress for intaller2?
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14:00 < Blauhaut> hello i have ipod nano 4gb 
14:00 < Blauhaut> and i want to install ipodlinux on that 
14:01 < Blauhaut> i am us
14:01 < Blauhaut> i am using linux 
14:01 < Blauhaut> is it posible to install ipodlinux on nano4gb ? 
14:03 < fps_max> is it 1 generation or 2?
14:03 < Blauhaut> 2
14:03 < fps_max> does it have round edges
14:03 < fps_max> no you cant
14:03 < Blauhaut> ummm :( 
14:04 < Blauhaut> fps_max: how can i look if it is 1. or 2. generation
14:06 < kick52> does it have round edgeS?
14:07 < Blauhaut> http://www.bubilevar.com/images/ipod_4gb.jpg
14:07 < Blauhaut> this is the photo of it
14:07 < kick52> you can
14:08 < kick52> just download installer IIRC
14:08 < Blauhaut> i getthe installer but when i run it i can not see any character it is all with ????
14:12 < Blauhaut> kick52: http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/705/grntyakalayc5oj6.png
14:12 < Blauhaut> check it pls
14:12 < kick52> hmm
14:12 < kick52> some kind of font thing i guess
14:12 < Blauhaut> yeap :)
14:12 < kick52> i can't really help though, i'm not too experienced with linux
14:12 < Blauhaut> so how can i install 
14:13 < Blauhaut> kick52:  i try to install with windoz but it gives me an error when it is just starting to set up partitions
14:13 < kick52> you can do it via the command line.. try searching the wiki
14:13 < Blauhaut> can anybody help me to install ?????
14:13 < Blauhaut> lots of ppl is here :( 
14:15 < Blauhaut> but nobody is helping :( 9
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14:22 < courtc> nobody is going to guide you through an installation. If you have a specific problem that isn't well documented, someone will surely point you in the right direction.
14:22 < courtc> You may have to wait a while though.
14:27 < Blauhaut> courtc:   http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/705/grntyakalayc5oj6.png
14:27 < Blauhaut> is my problem m8 
14:28 < Blauhaut> courtc: is that ok ? 
14:28 < GodEater_> which looks like it's an encoding problem with your PC, and not with the install process. Hence it's not an ipodlinux issue.
14:29 < Blauhaut> you know what you guys do not want to help people
14:29 < Blauhaut> you juust sit in here and w8 
14:29 < Blauhaut> when somebody want to install ipodlinux never guide him ok ? 
14:29 < Blauhaut> you just say like go and look at the web 
14:30 < Blauhaut> i am also surfing about 3 hours for ipod linux 
14:30 < Blauhaut> ok ok forget the ipodlinux 
14:30 < Blauhaut> byee
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14:38 < DataGhost> second generation! *shows picture of first generation*
14:38 < DataGhost> -_-
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14:41 < courtc> ohno! we lost a customer! That's a loss of... $0. In fact, now we don't have to deal with him. yay!
14:42 < `sam`> lost a customer?
14:42 < courtc> < Blauhaut> ok ok forget the ipodlinux 
14:43 < `sam`> was he mad that somebody hadn't updated mpd in a while? ;)
14:43 < `sam`> lol
14:43 < courtc> nope, and I have tyvm.
14:43 < `sam`> oh my bad, i hadn't looked at it lately
14:48 < DataGhost> hm apparently the installer2 error handling routine is a preprocessor macro to 'longjmp' :/
14:48 < courtc> understandable.
14:49 < courtc> It's like a semi-exception error handling method used in several libraries. see libjpeg
14:50 < courtc> Seems like it'd be a bin unnecessary in QT, but josh probably did it for a very good reason.
14:51 < courtc> bit*
14:51 < DataGhost> well, it looks scary
14:51 < DataGhost> anyway, my PC needs a reboot... because the windows audio subsystem is not restartable
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15:15 < rvvs89> Yep, I do not want to help people, I just sit here and wait, and when somebody want to install ipodlinux never guide him ok ?
15:16 < rvvs89> Totally
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15:17 < `sam`> somebody was wanting to install last night and i just helped him figure out which generation he had, because it turned out it was 5.5 and not a 5 like he was thinking
15:18 < `sam`> but then i just referred him to the instructions for 5.5 and told him to read it carefully first
15:20 < rvvs89> Well, when the instructions are up to date (like on the 5.5 page) there's no reason to walk through the installation at all
15:20 < `sam`> yeah, i also pointed out to him to notice that the example for fdisk has values for the 80GB and not the 30GB like he has
15:21 < `sam`> but then he was still asking questions that were answered on the site
15:21 < rvvs89> ah well, I hope we get that dynamic wiki going soon
15:21 < rvvs89> that should clear up those issues
15:22 < `sam`> i haven't even used ipodlinux in like 2 months... i guess i'm just here to learn and see what new developments come along
15:22 < BleuLlama> rvvs89: it won't stop them.  people will want you to hold their hand because LEARNING IS TOO HARD
15:23 < rvvs89> BleuLlama: Yeah, that's a given with anything remotely technical really, but it will help
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15:23 < `sam`> and apparently mpd is updated... i just learned
15:23 < BleuLlama> with this project, i'm very much in the "teach a man to fish" camp... well, actually more of the "point a man to a guide that he can use to learn how to fish"
15:24 < `sam`> i always liked "build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, set a man on fire and he'll be warm the rest of his life"
15:24 < rvvs89> "because every person on these forums has a fishing rod from a limited set of fishing rods and therefore a guide is a feasible way of teaching him"
15:24 < rvvs89> `sam`: heh, :D
15:25 < BleuLlama> yep
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16:19 < casperzshado> the installers wont find my ipod still
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16:32 < sailerboy> is it worth installing ipl and rockbox on a 5.5 gen?
16:33 < `sam`> worth about three-fitty
16:33 < `sam`> sailerboy, what do you mean?
16:33 < casperzshado> probably not, theres nothing wrong with the way the ipod works now
16:33 < casperzshado> but i wanna do it anyway
16:34 < sailerboy> i am installed ipl and rockbox, made a mistake, and corrupted my ipod. I dont like apple's firmware, and i have rockbox. Is it worth installing ipl
16:34 < `sam`> well rockbox allows you to play more audio formats, and you can just directly copy without the use of itunes... and ipl if you want to play around with linux on your ipod, it can be fun
16:34 < casperzshado> did you use the installer 2? or manual install
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16:35 < casperzshado> i cant get the installer 2 to work on my 5.5g 
16:36 < casperzshado> says it cant find my sysinfo
16:36 < sailerboy_> one sec
16:37 < sailerboy_> http://ipodlinux.org/SysInfo
16:41 < sailerboy_> is it worth installing ipl?
16:41 < sailerboy_> just for the games?
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16:47 < casperzshado> i wish i cauld use the 
16:47 < casperzshado> Note: 5.5G iPods never had a SysInfo file. So this hack doesn't work for them.
16:48 < fps_max> ure wrong
16:48 < casperzshado> thats what the site says
16:49 < Ghost-itS> sailerboy_, I'd say so: if you want to code something for the iPod yourself (i.e. are occasionalyl interested in SD) it is worth a try. can be fun
16:50 < Ghost-itS> (but tbh I consider this true for Linux in general... ^_^)
16:50 < casperzshado> i am still having trouble getting ipl in my 5.5g
16:51 < sailerboy_> i know C, but not very well. I was just wondering if ipl was worth for the elumators
16:51 < kick52> lol!
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16:52 < casperzshado> does anyone here have ipl on theyre 5.5g? if so how did you do it?
16:53 < `sam`> i did, but it's been a few months ago
16:53 < `sam`> i just followed that site for 5.5G i told you about last night
16:53 < Ghost-itS> I am a horrible C coder myself, but doing something on the iPod actually helps me getting better. small apps you can see a result soon and that fit into their environment (let's face it, if you have a desktop GUI and can only write console stuff, you feel... bad)
16:53 < sailerboy_> true
16:54 < sailerboy_> lol
16:54 < `sam`> i can make that "hello world" program say other stuff
16:54 < `sam`> lol
16:54 < Ghost-itS> the games themselves in ipl, to get a bit more to your question, vary greatly in actual fun I think. I didn't play them all, but some are funny, especially if you like these small games.
16:55 < sailerboy_> http://ipodlinux.org/IPod_Application_Manager
16:55 < sailerboy_> me to sam
16:55 < `sam`> i tried a few gameboy games on iboy, but the controls suck
16:55 < sailerboy_> @casper, that is how i did it on my ipod
16:55 < sailerboy_> 5g
16:55 < sailerboy_> 5.5g
16:56 < sailerboy_> i can make a program that can calcuate a quadralic equation
16:57 < Ghost-itS> probably not that well on an ipod. ^_^ floating point calculations take like... forever (at least I read that)
16:57 < sailerboy_> on a computer
16:57 < sailerboy_> lol
16:57 < sailerboy_> can you direct me to links to how to use c in ipodlinux
16:57 < Ghost-itS> I just learned (thanks to courtc btw), how to work with non-blocking read & write
16:57 < sailerboy_> i see pascle
16:58 < sailerboy_> i see this
16:58 < Ghost-itS> well, aren't there some links to C tuts on ipodlinux.org ?
16:58 < sailerboy_> C++ Standard Library
16:58 < sailerboy_> nop, not that i see
16:59 < Ghost-itS> well, I come from the mac world, so I basically learned a bit pure C from Objective-C (object oriented superset of C)
16:59 < Ghost-itS> second...
16:59 < sailerboy_> i use devc++
16:59 < sailerboy_> pure c
16:59 < sailerboy_> no c++ or c#
16:59 < casperzshado> i tried the website you showed me last night but i get stuck at the ipodpatcher, it tells me to download one but when i click the link its no a download, lust a bunch of black dots, im not sure what to do with them
16:59 < sailerboy_> http://ipodlinux.org/IPod_Application_Manager USE THIS!!!
17:00 < Ghost-itS> argh... ^_^ I have only german C references in my bookmarks and my head... lol
17:00 < Ghost-itS> tend to forget that. if you're not german, they're probably worthless for you
17:00 < casperzshado> nevermind the link works today
17:00 < sailerboy_> g2g
17:00 < Ghost-itS> but if you know C this should be enough.
17:00 < sailerboy_> ber
17:00 < Ghost-itS> works quite usual in ipl
17:00 < sailerboy_> bye
17:00 < Ghost-itS> bye
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17:26 < casperzshado> ok i put the bootloader on my ipod, now i have to try to partition it and im am not at all familiar with fdisk, dont know how to open it at on that webpage it describes it but i cant seem to get the first line to work
17:26 < casperzshado> can anyone guide me thrugh this part?
17:32 < casperzshado> adam@adam-desktop:~$ home/adam/ipodlinux # fdisk sdd
17:32 < casperzshado> bash: home/adam/ipodlinux: No such file or directory
17:33 < casperzshado> what am i doing wrong here?
17:34 < courtc> that /home/adam/ipodlinux just displays that you should be in that directory.
17:34 < courtc> the # indicates that you should be root.
17:38 < casperzshado> ok
17:38 < casperzshado> how do i know if im root?
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17:40 < casperzshado> theres no such directery, does i mean (ipodlinux-installer-2.2l-netless-20060709) ?
17:40 < casperzshado> thats the closest thing
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17:54 < casperzshado> i cant figure out how to partition this ipod
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18:44 < casperzshado> can anyone here give me a hand?
18:44 < casperzshado> ive gotten a lot further
18:45 < casperzshado> tar xvzf /<path_to>/ipod_fs_220606.tar.gz
18:45 < casperzshado> i dont know what my path to is
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18:52 < NaTh4n> need news for linux ipod nano 2nd gen
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18:53 < casperzshado> tar xvzf /<path_to>/ipod_fs_220606.tar.gz
18:54 < casperzshado> i dont know the path to, how do i find that?
18:57 < DataGhost> pwd
19:01 < casperzshado> pwd?
19:02 < courtc> df
19:02 < courtc> mount
19:03 < casperzshado> confused
19:03  * jbit thinks knowing how to use a command line should be a prereq. for installing linux on any embedded device
19:05 < casperzshado> and this is how i learn the command line, theres only one way to learn how to navigate linux, and that to well do it
19:06 < casperzshado> i also forgot how to become root 
19:06 < casperzshado> something -i
19:06 < GodEater> I've never used anything "-i" to become root
19:07 < casperzshado> how do you do it?
19:07 < GodEater> "su -", "sudo bash", or just plain logging in as root yes, but never anything "-i"
19:07 < `sam`> makemeroot.sh -i
19:07 < casperzshado> sudo -i
19:07 < GodEater> `sam`: hahahaha
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19:07 < jbit> exploitMemoryRegion.elf -i
19:08 < jbit> ?
19:08 < GodEater> ah - that old chestnut - I'd forgotten it
19:08 < jbit> :P
19:08 < GodEater> "nobblebind.elf -i"
19:08 < casperzshado> so how do i find out the path to?
19:09 < GodEater> courtc gave you three commands to try
19:09 < GodEater> did you try them ?
19:09 < GodEater> no he didn't he gave you two
19:09 < casperzshado> i didnt know those were commands
19:09 < GodEater> DataGhost gave you one too though
19:09 < `sam`> casperzshado, it wants the path to your linux filesystem on the ipod
19:09 < GodEater> what did you think they were ? random spoutings?
19:09 < `sam`> linux partition
19:09 < casperzshado> ok
19:10 < DataGhost> jbit: ptrace -i
19:10 < casperzshado> so the linux partition would be the sdd3
19:11 < `sam`> possibly, type mount
19:11 < DataGhost> casperzshado I'd suggest another way to 'learn linux' than a potentially disastrous one
19:11 < `sam`> and see if that is the one you formatted as ext3
19:11  * GodEater agrees with danalien 
19:11 < DataGhost> I can already imagine you ending up with iPL installed on your PC
19:11 < GodEater> er
19:11 < GodEater> DataGhost even
19:11 < jbit> DataGhost: 'installed'... :)
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19:11 < DataGhost> technically, yes. it doesn't run but hey! :)
19:12 < jbit> i hope his pc is a riscPC and thus is arm based :)
19:12 < casperzshado> ive gotten this, far, and yes i brake things but if the worst happens i reformat the ipod and restore it, and start
19:12 < jbit> casperzshado: the worst that happens is you nuke your pcs hdd
19:12  * GodEater wonders why people are so keen to risk their ipod for ipl when they clearly have no idea how to use linux in the first place
19:13  * jbit is annoyed
19:13 < jbit> i finally have all the parts to make my ipod sio cable
19:13 < `sam`> yeah i used linux for a while and learned it before i tried linuxfromscratch, and it was even a few years more before i got an ipod and attempted that
19:13 < jbit> but i'm too exhaused to do it
19:14 < jbit> `sam`: yay for LFS! :)
19:14 < DataGhost> I wonder why people want to install linux on their iPod when they don't even have any clue how to operate it
19:14 < DataGhost> except for showing off doom
19:14 < `sam`> lol
19:14 < GodEater> I wonder the same for rockbox :(
19:14 < `sam`> "hey look, it's a 15 year old video game on my brand new ipod!! what do you mean i should have just got a psp?"
19:15 < GodEater> precisely
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19:15 < `sam`> rockbox is a bit simpler to install and use i think
19:16 < casperzshado> ive broken a lot of hdds
19:16 < GodEater> `sam`: we still find morons to f*ck it up though =/
19:16 < Briceman> Is there anyway to give my second gen Nano the first gen framework so I can install podzilla on it?
19:16 < GodEater> Briceman: no
19:16 < casperzshado> sometimes theres smoke
19:16 < `sam`> ha, i did something to mine last week and it was "broken" for a few days... but i figured out it was  using mkfs instead of mformat was messing it up
19:16 < GodEater> unless by "framework" you mean "the internals from a 1st gen nano"
19:17 < GodEater> and I don't think they'd fit
19:17 < jbit> second gen nano is completly different from first gen nano isn't it?
19:17 < GodEater> yes
19:17 < jbit> (or any other ipod for that matter, iirc)
19:17 < GodEater> also yes
19:17 < jbit> :)
19:17 < GodEater> no PortalPlayer
19:17 < Briceman> Oh ok. Are there any plans to support second gen framework?
19:17 < jbit> GodEater: what's it got instead?
19:17 < jbit> samsung arm?
19:17 < GodEater> jbit: yep
19:17 < jbit> ah
19:17 < jbit> makes sense since samsung give them a crap load of flash
19:18 < jbit> might as well give them a crap load of cpus too
19:18 < GodEater> Briceman: I'm not an Ipl man per se - but I'm guessing the answer is "no"
19:18 < Briceman> ok, thanks
19:18  * jbit wonders when ipoddev.org will be launched
19:19 < GodEater> Briceman: Apple have encrypted their own firmware on the 2nd gen this time round too - which makes getting "homebrew" of any description running on it nigh on impossible
19:19 < DataGhost> and probably illegal, too
19:19 < jbit> GodEater: bahah :)
19:19 < jbit> DataGhost: bahaha :)
19:19 < jbit> sorry :)
19:19 < GodEater> danalien: if you live in the US perhaps :)
19:19 < casperzshado> im in cd /mnt/ipod
19:19 < GodEater> damn it
19:19 < GodEater> DataGhost: !!!
19:19 < DataGhost> in NL as well
19:19 < casperzshado> im confused
19:19 < GodEater> DataGhost: you have a DMCA there too ?
19:20 < DataGhost> it's illegal to circumvent security measures... I guess encryption counts as one
19:20 < jbit> DataGhost: security measures?
19:20 < GodEater> that sucks
19:20 < jbit> i didn't think the law was that broad
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19:20 < DataGhost> yeah, like passwords and such. encryption is the same but more advanced
19:20 < jbit> i thought it was copyright protection
19:20 < DataGhost> it's allowed for personal use, but that would mean that everyone has to figure it out on their own and they aren't allowed to spread the knowledge
19:21  * jbit should probably learn these laws on of these days :)
19:21 < jbit> before i get arrested or something
19:22 < `sam`> somebody will have to put up a "free jbit" link on the ipl site
19:22 < GodEater> DataGhost: just get iPL hosted in sweden  :)
19:22 < DataGhost> hehe
19:22 < jbit> `sam`: i'm su the company i work with will care more :)
19:23 < jbit> "fuck! he never commented any of his code, we're all screwed!"
19:23 < jbit> or so
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19:24 < casperzshado> it wants to know the path to my linux filesystem, which would be the third partition of my ipod, which would make it sdd3, right? or am i missing something
19:25 < DataGhost> Have you tried using any of the available tutorials?
19:25 < `sam`> you could give me ssh access and add me to the sudo list and i could check it out :)
19:25 < `sam`> just kidding
19:26 < casperzshado> ive run through those, theyve helped, but not with this particular problem
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19:27 < casperzshado> if i knew what that ment i would do it
19:29 < casperzshado> would it be /dev/sdd3/ipod....
19:29 < `sam`> casperzshado, if your ipod is mounted and you have followed the instructions up to there and cd /mnt/ipod(assumint it's mounted there and not at /media/disk or something)
19:29 < `sam`> then the tar <path to> command wants the path to where you downloaed that tar.gz  file
19:30 < casperzshado> oh,
19:30 < `sam`> sorry i got it backwards earlier
19:30 < casperzshado> so now i have to find that file
19:31 < `sam`> so say for example you downloaded it to /home/bob then you would do a tar zxvf /home/bob/ipod_fs_220606.tar.gz
19:31 < `sam`> but you have to be in the right directory when you run that, whether it's /mnt/ipd or /media/disk or /media/disk-1 or whatever
19:31 < `sam`> ubuntu auto-mounts stuff in the /media directory
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19:37 < casperzshado> so if i just do save to disk, then it should be /media/ipod...?
19:37 < `sam`> no...
19:37 < casperzshado> or something before media
19:37 < `sam`> you don't know where you downloaded it to?
19:38 < casperzshado> theres one on my desktop, one extracted on my desktop (mistake), and one saved to disk
19:41 < casperzshado>  tar xvzf Desktop/ipod_fs_220606.tar.gz
19:41 < davix> any 'legit' news about the new ipod?
19:41 < casperzshado> is it home/adam/Desktop/ipod...
19:41 < `sam`> casperzshado, probably
19:42 < casperzshado> tar: var/tmp: implausibly old time stamp 1903-12-31 18:00:00
19:42 < BleuLlama> davix: not until wednesday
19:43 < casperzshado> tar: var/tmp: Cannot change ownership to uid 1000, gid 100: Operation not permit
19:43 < casperzshado> thats a really old timestamp
19:43 < casperzshado> but i did find it
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19:44 < casperzshado> and i know the path to now
19:44 < casperzshado> what is this timestamp buiseness ?
19:45 < casperzshado> every turn i take thers a new problem
19:45 < casperzshado> lovely
19:47 < casperzshado> nevermind i can ignore them
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19:54 < casperzshado> Rename the Kernel to linux.bin and place it in the root of your ext3 partition. 
19:55 < casperzshado> now i already have linux.bin but i dont know how to get to the root my my ext3 partition
19:56 < casperzshado> theres gotta be someone that knows what that means
20:00 < BleuLlama> copying files is one of the easiest things to learn on an OS.  If you cannot copy a file, you really should read up more on linux before proceeding.
20:02 < casperzshado> i dont know how to get to the root 
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20:08 < casperzshado> you just leave me with that, its easy
20:08 < casperzshado> where is it?
20:10 < BleuLlama> oh, 
20:10 < BleuLlama> that's your problem? 
20:11 < BleuLlama> then;
20:11 < BleuLlama> if you can't find the mountpoint of your own disk, you really should read up more on linux before proceeding.
20:11 < DataGhost> before destroying the contents of your computer's harddrive*
20:14 < casperzshado> not helping
20:15 < BleuLlama> not trying
20:17 < casperzshado> im long past damaging my hardware, im at the last steps
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20:25 < casperzshado> ok i know that my ext3 partition is on my sdd3 i have it mounted but i cant seem to find it 
20:27 < casperzshado> there must be something wrong because i have 2 ipods mounted on my desktop, both fat32 
20:28 < casperzshado> but i dont see my ext3 partition anywhere
21:03 < casperzshado> /dev/sde3 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here!
21:04 < casperzshado> is that normal after formatting?
21:05 < casperzshado> could that have something to do with why im having trouble finding the root of my partition?
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21:20 < DataGhost> you're past damaging your hardware allright
21:20 < DataGhost> you only just destroyed your data and are making it worse
21:20 < DataGhost> I guess
21:20 < DataGhost> and you didn't format anything.. what makes you think you did?
21:23 < casperzshado> mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 2048 /dev/sdX2
21:23 < casperzshado>           mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdX3
21:26 < casperzshado> isnt that formatting them?
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21:36 < casperzshado> thats not very helpful
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22:28 < casperzshado> /home/adam/Desktop/bin/getLoader2Args
22:28 < casperzshado> do i just copy and paste this or am i suppose to do something else to it
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22:36 < casperzshado> would somebody please tell me how to get to the root of my ext3 filesystem so i can install my kernel
22:36 < casperzshado>     Rename the Kernel to linux.bin and place it in the root of your ext3 partition. 
22:37 < casperzshado> anyone?
22:39 < kick52> mount /dev/ipodmeh /mnt/meh ?
22:41 < casperzshado> mount point does not exist
22:42 < kick52> make the mount point first
22:42 < kick52> mkdir /mnt/fap
22:42 < kick52> */fap/
22:43 < casperzshado> mnt/meh doesnt exist
22:44 < kick52> yeah
22:44 < kick52> make a random dir
22:44 < kick52> and then mount the drive onto it
22:45 < kick52> mkdir /mnt/test   then   mount /dev/ipodsomething /mnt/test
22:45 < kick52> you might need a / at the end
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22:48 < kick52> night
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22:50 < casperzshado> none of that makes anysence
22:51 < casperzshado> how do i get to the root of my ext3 partition on my ipod?
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23:02 < casperzshado> Rename the Kernel to linux.bin and place it in the root of your ext3 partition.
23:02 < casperzshado> i dont know what this means
23:03 < casperzshado> this is one of the last steps and i have no idea how to do it
23:13 < casperzshado> do i make a folder called root?
23:16 < casperzshado> help
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23:35 < kevipapo1> Ima here
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23:44 < casperzshado> http://josh.sys-techs.com/svnbuilds/podzilla2-1414.gz
23:44 < casperzshado> is there an altrenate place to get the pozzila2 1414.gz, this one is a little messed up
23:45 < casperzshado> how do i find the root of my ext3 partition, so i can put my kernel there?
23:46 < casperzshado> Rename the Kernel to linux.bin and place it in the root of your ext3 partition.
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23:49 < casperzshado> Rename the Kernel to linux.bin and place it in the root of your ext3 partition.
23:49 < casperzshado> how do i do this?
23:51 < kevipapo1> did you rename the kernel?
23:52 < kevipapo1> still there?
23:53 < kevipapo1> no?
23:53  * kevipapo1 wants to help you
23:54 < kevipapo1> hello?
23:54 < kevipapo1> o
23:54 < kevipapo1> o
23:54 < kevipapo1> o
23:54 < kevipapo1> o
23:54 < kevipapo1> echo
23:54 < kevipapo1> ho
23:54 < kevipapo1> ho
23:55 < kevipapo1> ho
23:55 < kevipapo1> ho
23:57 < casperzshado> sorry
23:58 < casperzshado> yes the kernel is renamed linux.bin
23:58 < casperzshado> i turn away for one second
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23:59 < casperzshado> i dont know where the root of the partition is
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