--- Log opened Fri Aug 24 00:00:06 2007 00:00 < kick52> night 00:00 < JavaMan22> bye 00:01 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.219.228] has quit [] 00:12 -!- JavaMan22 [n=HP_Admin@c-24-61-91-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:11 -!- cdm [n=cdm@pool-71-116-92-149.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:18 -!- AriX_ [n=arix@c-76-99-119-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:22 -!- AriX_ [n=arix@c-76-99-119-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:44 -!- oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:08 -!- korndub [n=kdqegyj@c-68-54-3-36.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:08 < korndub> hello 02:09 < korndub> i dont know how to get mpd to work 02:09 < korndub> i want to listen to music with ipodlinux on winpod 02:09 < korndub> because rockbox drains battery like crazy 02:19 -!- BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@129.120.244.105] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:20 -!- BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@129.120.244.105] has joined #iPodLinux 02:30 -!- bman22 [n=root@c-76-113-4-2.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:36 -!- BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@129.120.244.105] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:37 -!- bman22 [n=root@c-76-113-4-2.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:39 -!- korndub [n=kdqegyj@c-68-54-3-36.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit ["Changing servers"] 03:20 -!- GodEater [n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:01 -!- HellDragon [n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon] has quit [Client Quit] 04:05 -!- HellDragon [n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon] has joined #ipodlinux 04:58 -!- rager [n=Administ@64.125.162.126] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:43 -!- amiconn [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet"] 05:54 -!- amiconn [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has joined #ipodlinux 06:12 -!- GodEater [n=bryan@rockbox/staff/GodEater] has joined #ipodlinux 06:35 -!- cdm [n=cdm@pool-71-116-92-149.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:10 -!- davina [n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 07:37 -!- BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@129.120.244.105] has joined #iPodLinux 07:37 < courtc> Hey, any 30G 5.5g users alive? 07:37 < DataGhost> hm wait 07:37 < DataGhost> not sure about that anymore... but eh. GodEater? :P 07:38 < rvvs89> courtc: yep 07:38 < DataGhost> oh never mind then :D 07:38 < rvvs89> :D 07:38 < courtc> :) can I have a mbr dump please? 07:39 < GodEater> 80GB as you well know DataGhost :) 07:39 < rvvs89> sure, I'll do it in a minute 07:39 < courtc> Apparently both ipodloader and linux depend on magic values in the mbr. 07:39 < DataGhost> hmyeah it's been a while :P thought you had a 30GB (as well?) 07:39 < GodEater> DataGhost: no - one ipod is enough ;) 07:39 -!- perror [n=fleury@mazurek.labri.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 07:39 < GodEater> I also have an iRiver H140 and a Toshiba Gigabeat F40 07:39 < DataGhost> heh 07:39 < courtc> Small timer. 07:40 < GodEater> think Mrs GodEater would shout at me a lot if I bought another ipod 07:40 < GodEater> or at least not let me sleep with her anymore 07:41 < GodEater> I also have a Gigabeat S30 on it's way. I'm going to have to hide that I think :) 07:41 < DataGhost> :P 07:41 < DataGhost> by the way courtc... probably a completely stupid question, but you are using the latest 5.5G kernel with _ALL_ patches, not just the 80GB patch(which breaks 30GB) right? :P 07:42 * courtc shrugs... Just CVS 07:42 < DataGhost> hmk should be allright then 07:42 < courtc> plus me own custom crap 07:42 < GodEater> how does the 80GB patch break the 30GB ? 07:42 < DataGhost> well leachbj did some reviewing with me 07:42 < courtc> with a baseball bat. 07:42 < GodEater> hahaha 07:43 < DataGhost> and transferred the solution elsewhere so it'd be nicer etc. 07:43 < DataGhost> then we removed the '1-2-4-autodetection' code I wrote since that was read from the identity information 07:43 < DataGhost> but that's not valid for the 30GB 07:43 < GodEater> ah 07:43 -!- cdm [n=cdm@pool-71-116-92-149.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:43 < DataGhost> so that was partially reverted, iirc 07:45 < GodEater> I wonder if we did that same identity check as you in the end 07:45 < courtc> Spam is so awesome... It's like mail you don't have to reply to. Or bills you can ignore. 07:45 < DataGhost> I ignore all mail anyway 07:45 < DataGhost> I just read it and ignore it after that 07:45 < DataGhost> but I'm getting 250+ spam/day so that's less awesome 07:46 < courtc> Well, so do I, but I don't feel bad about ignoring spam. 07:49 < rvvs89> how many bytes is MBR? 512? 07:50 < courtc> yep, but I only really need the first 446 07:53 < DataGhost> it's nice to have a backup anyway 07:53 < DataGhost> :P 07:53 < courtc> Well the rest I can create from scratch. 07:54 < courtc> Probably 10X faster than I can find my backup ;) 07:54 < DataGhost> by the way rvvs89.. brarei's reply to my question: 'come again?' 07:55 < DataGhost> courtc don't underestimate the power of locate :P 07:55 < DataGhost> anyway, I just named it 'rebootsector' 07:55 < DataGhost> because I use that in my script 07:55 < DataGhost> dd onto iPod, sync, eject and voila, it reboots magically :P 07:56 < courtc> doesn't do much when you A) never remember what you call it, and B) never update locatedb 07:56 < DataGhost> a) point taken. b) cron 07:56 < courtc> oh, and C) never can recall what computer you put it on 07:56 < DataGhost> hehe 07:58 < DataGhost> HARRR 07:58 < DataGhost> banned before he even got to post 07:58 < DataGhost> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=32725 07:59 < DataGhost> loads of porn in his ex-profile 07:59 -!- xaiki [i=xaiki@sceen.net] has quit ["Changing server"] 08:04 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=227368#227368 08:04 < courtc> heh 08:05 < DataGhost> :) 08:06 < courtc> Man. I may be evil, but I think it's just absolutely hilarous that nobody can get MPD to work. I mean, it works fine for me, and has for a long time now. 08:07 < DataGhost> I also don't understand how people manage to screw up 08:07 < DataGhost> I mean. it works fine in that installation method I made 08:07 < courtc> I do have an officially unreleased version, but the bickering and complaining never stops; I'm just not motivated to release it. 08:07 < DataGhost> someone else tries it and it doesn't worka nymore!? 08:08 < courtc> Hey now, the 'code' section of the mbr is completely and utterly undocumented thank you very much. 08:12 < courtc> Apparently on the iPod it doesn't adhere to the normal standards and has to be mangled properly so that iPodLinux and ipodloader can get around their inabilty to properly identify disk geometry. 08:13 < DataGhost> wonderful, isn't it? :) 08:13 < courtc> Not that they are any better than the AppleOS, but that's the point isn't it? 08:14 < DataGhost> not that 2048b-sectors-which-should-be-addressed-as-512b-sectors-and-read-as-1024b-sectors are quite standard or anything 08:17 < courtc> At least some detection code for when the mbr is "normal"... 08:17 < GodEater> I still don't get that whole 2048/1024 bit 08:18 < DataGhost> the 2048b-bit is basically the partition being valid only over USB, but internally it should be multiplied times four 08:18 < DataGhost> and the 1024b-bit... well.. if you read 512b, it errors and returns the drive identity information where you were expecting the data 08:19 < GodEater> I know how it behaves, I really meant I don't know WHY they chose to do it that way :) 08:19 < DataGhost> oh. heh no idea :) 08:19 < GodEater> I remember a month of trying to read 1 sector at a time and getting nowhere from last christmas 08:19 < DataGhost> 'hey that would be great! those iPL guys wouldn't know what to do!' 08:19 < GodEater> heheh - we sure showed them! 08:20 < DataGhost> and they probably hired someone new who said 'that is a stupid idea' and implemented encryption on the next models 08:20 < DataGhost> although I'm not 100% sure on the timeline 08:21 < courtc> rvvs89: USB .01 ? 08:23 < DataGhost> magnifying glass, pen, paper 08:23 < DataGhost> Mr.MegaPenis, lol 08:23 < DataGhost> funniest spam I ever read :P 08:24 < DataGhost> I wonder if those people even know that it hurts if it's too big... they probably never got laid yet 08:26 < courtc> Chisel, stone. 08:28 < courtc> USPS. 08:28 < courtc> ZING! 08:29 -!- RedDak [n=dak@host180-86-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ipodlinux 08:51 < rvvs89> courtc: sorry about that, I had surprise guests at my place 09:03 < rvvs89> courtc: http://www.box.net/shared/4via5c63bi 09:10 < rvvs89> DataGhost: brarei is seriously clueless... 09:12 < rvvs89> the exchanges I've had with him about software licenses 09:12 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.219.228] has joined #ipodlinux 09:12 < rvvs89> they were just sad 09:13 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@tux.isd-internet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 09:13 < DerPapst> morning :) 09:13 < DerPapst> some more barai fun? 09:13 < rvvs89> evening yo 09:13 < DerPapst> barai for moderator! 09:13 < DataGhost> heh 09:14 < DerPapst> at least he aked me how to bocome one 09:14 < DerPapst> *asked even 09:14 < rvvs89> same here 09:14 < rvvs89> "how do you become a mod?" 09:14 < DataGhost> 'generally, banned users do not get moderator status EVER' 09:14 < DerPapst> :D you got that too? 09:14 < DerPapst> fun 09:14 < DataGhost> and me 09:14 < DataGhost> and fxb too iirc 09:14 * DerPapst wonders why he asked me though 09:14 < DataGhost> but he isn't banned yet, I first want to know 'why' and maybe get him to confess 09:15 < DerPapst> i'm not even a mod 09:15 < DataGhost> else he'll justhave to figure it out on his own 09:15 < rvvs89> DerPapst: probably because of me 09:15 < DerPapst> why? 09:15 < DataGhost> ban deadline is in 12 hours or something :) 09:15 < rvvs89> well, in response to his "how do you become a mod?" 09:15 < DerPapst> ah 09:15 < rvvs89> I didn't actually ask to become a moderator. DerPapst recommended me to courtc and he made it happen. See this log at around 20:00. 09:16 < rvvs89> It's not up to me to decide who is a moderator. If you want to become one, report spam, notify people when they are doing something against the rules, report illegal activity, spell your words out and be helpful in general. If you're doing everything in your power to keep the forum clean without moderator privileges then you deserve to have those additional privileges. 09:16 < DerPapst> you told him that i voted for you? 09:16 < rvvs89> was my reply 09:16 < DerPapst> ah. 09:16 * DerPapst searches for his one... 09:17 < rvvs89> I gave him the best advice I could without saying "not going to happen" 09:17 < rvvs89> heh 09:17 < DataGhost> LOL! 09:17 < DataGhost> now it is PERFECTLY clear to me 09:18 < DerPapst> The how to become a Mod recipe: 1. Do never ask for it; 2. Be generally helpful...; 3. ....and prove that you have a clue and understand how things work; 4. Never flame; 5. Shut up if you don't have a clue or think that person is a moron and doesn't deserve an answer (see 4.); That is what *I* think is necessary. But if they (the admins and other mods) think they are enough then there is no chance at all to become one. 09:18 < DataGhost> he created another account to spam, to use brarei200 to report spam, hoping he'd become a moderator that way 09:18 < DataGhost> god, he is STUPID 09:18 < DerPapst> hahahaha 09:18 < rvvs89> heh! that does actually make sense 09:19 < DerPapst> ahhh.. fun :) 09:19 -!- scorche [n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 09:19 < Gimp_> omg. omg. can I be a mod? 09:19 < DerPapst> i didn't even include that spam stuff.. because fxb's spam cathcer things takes care of it to 99& 09:20 < DataGhost> yeah but rvvs89 did, quite explicitly 09:20 < DerPapst> god.. this keyboard is broken 09:20 < DataGhost> and brarei didn't understand that properly 09:20 < Gimp_> "spam spam spam spam spam bacon and spam?" 09:20 < Gimp_> "what if i don't want spam?" 09:20 < DataGhost> that's why I got that 'load' of 'this is spam' messages 09:21 < DerPapst> heh 09:21 < rvvs89> Gimp_: then you get green eggs and ham 09:21 < Gimp_> "well... then theres bacon, eggs, toast, jam and *cough* spam" 09:21 < DataGhost> jam? 09:21 < Gimp_> "you said spam didn't you!" "what? no..." "yes you did" "ok so I did!" 09:21 < DataGhost> eggs bacon and spam, or a combination. that's it, no jam, right? 09:21 * Gimp_ stops quoting monty python 09:22 < rvvs89> heh 09:22 < rvvs89> The Goon Show > Monty Python imo 09:23 < rvvs89> DataGhost: did he flood you with spam reports from the one guy? 09:23 < DataGhost> one was actually genuine.. I hope 09:23 < rvvs89> s/one guy/himself 09:23 < Gimp_> ... 09:23 < DataGhost> I deleted that post (had porn pics in it) and didn't look at the IP so it *might* have been him, it just looked like regular spam 09:23 < Gimp_> rvvs89: nothing > monty python 09:23 < Gimp_> monty python > everythin 09:24 < Gimp_> I am proud to say I have 35 pounds of monty python footage. 09:24 < DataGhost> the other one wasn't that sophisticated, it was just an account with a bad name, my avatar and it was posting crappy replies to topics 09:24 < rvvs89> Gimp_: You must listen to a goon show stream for half an hour before you say that heh 09:24 < DataGhost> with his IP 09:24 < Gimp_> in dvds, vcrs, disks, and other stuff 09:24 < DataGhost> and then he reported it to me with his normal account again 09:24 < rvvs89> yeah, that makes sense 09:24 < Gimp_> i have three boxes. one of them is a jizload of unreleased stuff. im considering selling it on ebay... 09:24 < rvvs89> what an idiot 09:24 < Gimp_> anyways 09:25 * Gimp_ lets you guys talk about the idiot 09:25 < rvvs89> out of all the hundreds of lame posts, he reports himself heh 09:25 < DataGhost> :P 09:25 < rvvs89> Gimp_: http://goons.fabcat.org/ 09:25 < DataGhost> this just made my day 09:25 < rvvs89> Gimp_: listen to it! >:( 09:25 < DataGhost> I'm beginning to like ethics and law 09:25 < Gimp_> rvvs89: shh i am 09:26 < rvvs89> :D 09:26 < Gimp_> o.O 09:26 < Gimp_> holy shit its 2:30 am 09:27 < DataGhost> lies! 1130 09:27 < rvvs89> almost... 09:27 * rvvs89 activates locale 09:27 < rvvs89> 5:28 GMT+8 09:28 < rvvs89> Gimp_: musical interlude bleh 09:29 < Gimp_> rvvs89: heh 09:31 < DerPapst> god... translating websites in combination with smartie sucks... 09:36 -!- xaiki [i=xaiki@sceen.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:42 < rvvs89> Holy crap, I knew it, I just knew this guy was cihan 09:42 < rvvs89> but here's the proof heh 09:42 < rvvs89> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27459 09:42 < rvvs89> Yet another sock puppet 09:42 < DerPapst> hahahahaha 09:42 < DerPapst> that is soooooooooo stupid 09:43 < rvvs89> it really is... 09:43 < rvvs89> you would think he would see his name on a picture when it's printed three times... 09:44 < rvvs89> aha, the final proof 09:44 < rvvs89> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/modcp.php?mode=ip&p=225671&t=27300&sid=77902431027449e36bd9a1ffcc3bcf13 09:45 < rvvs89> meh, I'll deal with it later, I need to go have dinner 09:46 < DerPapst> invalid session 09:46 < DataGhost> be careful with your sid rvvs89 09:46 < DataGhost> not 100% sure what it's used for 09:46 < rvvs89> DataGhost: ah, good point 09:47 < rvvs89> probably something that should stay with the cookie 09:47 < DerPapst> rvvs89: i'm not sure if i can resist posing that http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/hghhln6.jpg 09:47 < rvvs89> heh, I know I won't do anything if you do :P 09:48 < DerPapst> ehh... i'm still not convinced to do it ;) 09:48 < DerPapst> am i really that spammy? 09:48 < DataGhost> it's printed 4 times 09:48 < DataGhost> actually 09:49 < rvvs89> yeah, I was sure I missed it somewhere 09:49 < DerPapst> what is printed 4 times? 09:49 < rvvs89> his name heh 09:49 < rvvs89> I didn't see that playlist 09:49 < rvvs89> "Cihan's favorite music" 09:49 < DataGhost> austraila is where cihan lives 09:50 < DerPapst> heh 09:50 < DataGhost> he should go to mr zoolander 09:51 < DataGhost> I wonder why he's got 2 accounts though. did you ask him about that in a PM or something rvvs89? 09:51 < DerPapst> refresh the image.. i fixed my mistake :P 09:53 < rvvs89> DataGhost: nope, I only just saw that 09:54 < rvvs89> I wonder, if the forums went down with SVN, blog, scheme repo etc, would this project be in a better state right now? 09:55 < DerPapst> heh 09:55 < DerPapst> i bet not 09:55 < DataGhost> forums? probably :P 09:55 < DerPapst> they would all come to the wiki and continue spamming there 09:56 < rvvs89> good point that 09:56 < DataGhost> lol @ someone on msn 09:56 * DerPapst still didn't reply 09:56 < DataGhost> 'the purpose of dumb people: entertain smart people' 09:56 < DerPapst> hahaha 09:57 < rvvs89> heh, sometimes the case 09:57 < DataGhost> like with brarei 09:57 < rvvs89> other times I just feel immense frustration... 09:58 < rvvs89> Gimp_: still listening? :P 09:58 < Gimp_> rvvs89: naw 09:58 < Gimp_> stopped a while ago 09:58 < Gimp_> was sick of the music 09:58 < rvvs89> aww, fair enough 09:58 < DerPapst> heh 09:59 < rvvs89> anyone think it would be innapropriate to reply with "So what's with the sock puppet account Cihan?" 09:59 < DataGhost> my god.. that guy just keeps going on 09:59 < DataGhost> "http://www.break.com/index/beach-boogie-faceplant.html ...which proves my point" 10:00 < DerPapst> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=227372#227372 <-- feel free to delete :P 10:00 < DerPapst> hahahah 10:00 -!- fxb__ is now known as fxb 10:00 < DerPapst> that's cool 10:01 < DerPapst> hi fxb :') 10:02 < rvvs89> DerPapst: what post? I don't see a post? 10:02 < rvvs89> :P 10:02 < DataGhost> *checks weather predictions before going out without jacket* 10:03 < DataGhost> yesterday it was raining like hell when I left, terribly hot + sun when I headed back home 10:03 < DataGhost> now it's hot and sunny, so... 10:03 < DerPapst> rvvs89: heh ;) 10:03 < DataGhost> showers - 40%.. hmmmm 10:03 < DataGhost> anyway, gotta run. bye 10:03 < rvvs89> laters 10:07 < rvvs89> I'm off too, laters 10:09 < DerPapst> see you 10:11 < fxb> hi Der Papst. 10:13 * DerPapst is diving through big i18n arrays 10:13 < DerPapst> fun :-/ 10:53 -!- oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:01 -!- kick52_ [n=Tim@91.108.226.193] has joined #ipodlinux 12:05 -!- rager [n=Administ@64.125.162.126] has joined #ipodlinux 12:06 -!- hhehw [n=xboxhheh@pool-70-18-2-100.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 12:21 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.219.228] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:25 < rvvs89> damn you page_alloc.c! 12:25 < DerPapst> eh 12:25 < DerPapst> you're still there? 12:25 < DerPapst> don't you need to sleep sometimes? 12:26 < rvvs89> sure, but it's 8:25 pm 12:26 < DerPapst> ah 12:26 < DerPapst> i thought it is already later 12:26 < DerPapst> hehe 12:26 * DerPapst confused 12:26 < rvvs89> it's all in the date line heh 12:26 < DerPapst> timezones.. wtf 12:27 < rvvs89> "Contrary to prior comments, this is *NOT* hairy, and there is no reason for anyone not to understand it." -- some kernel developer on __free_pages_ok 12:27 < rvvs89> it so is though heh 12:28 < DerPapst> heh 12:28 < DerPapst> comments are always fun 12:28 < rvvs89> DataGhost: any more responses from brarei200? 12:29 < DerPapst> once ccos is running on all ipods i think we should ditch the linux kernel and use ccos instead :P 12:29 < rvvs89> why so? :P 12:29 < rvvs89> less huge and buggy? 12:29 < DerPapst> less uge, boots faster 12:29 < DerPapst> *huge 12:30 < DerPapst> but it's lacking a lot of drivers still 12:30 < DerPapst> only has ata, lcd+backlight so far afaik 12:31 < rvvs89> while iPL has loads of generic drivers it will never need 12:31 < rvvs89> cool 12:34 < DerPapst> but i guess courtc will never implement all those other drivers ;) 12:35 < rvvs89> heh, like ye olde serial 12:35 < DerPapst> and right now ccos runs "only" on pp502X iPods. that leaves the only by ipodlinux supported ipods out ;) 12:35 < DerPapst> (grammar? i don't care) 12:35 < rvvs89> heh 12:37 < rvvs89> ok... so what does gcc do when you call malloc... 12:39 < DerPapst> gcc does something when malloc is called on your iPod? 12:40 < DerPapst> am i confused again? 12:42 < rvvs89> I mean, I can't actually find a malloc function within the kernel source 12:43 < jbit> is the uart register set known for portal player processors? 12:44 < DerPapst> i guess everything that is known about the pp chips is here http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 and here http://ipodlinux.org/PP5002 12:44 < DerPapst> and maybe in some comments in source files 12:45 < jbit> :) 12:45 < DerPapst> but i guess the rockbox guys know the answer of this question :P 12:45 < jbit> maybe 12:45 < rvvs89> jbit: there's some addresses in serial.h in the iPL kernel code 12:46 < rvvs89> might help 12:46 < DerPapst> at least they sould be able to tell you if the uart register is known or not ;) 12:46 < rvvs89> DerPapst: it is for <4G at least (afaik) 12:48 < rvvs89> meh, I'm out of my depth lol 12:48 < jbit> rvvs89: ah cool, will check it out when i get home 12:49 < jbit> should have all the parts i need for a sio cable tonight :) 12:49 < jbit> eager to get support into my kernel 12:49 < jbit> makes debugging/code testing much easier :) 12:49 < rvvs89> :D 12:49 < DerPapst> nice:) 12:49 < rvvs89> more fun than printk :P 12:49 < jbit> well i plan to use zmodem and such for loading code 12:49 < DerPapst> and throw patches at our kernel devs ;) 12:50 < jbit> DerPapst: wrong kernel :P 12:50 < DerPapst> eh. 12:51 < DerPapst> i better shut up if i don't know what i'm talking about.... 12:51 * DerPapst goes back photoshopping 12:51 < jbit> DerPapst: i have my own microkernel i'll be playing with 12:51 < rvvs89> heh 12:51 < jbit> rather than linux/rb/etc 12:52 < jbit> hopefully stuff i find out should filter down into things people actually use though :) 12:52 < rvvs89> :D 12:52 < jbit> pretty eager to look at the super-dsp on the video ipods 12:52 < Bi-noix> jbit: you developped your own kernel for your iPod ? 12:55 < jbit> not for iPod, i was employed as an embedded dev a while ago 12:55 < jbit> and developed my own kernel for a custom arm system 12:55 < jbit> turns out it's pretty easy to port ;) 12:57 < DerPapst> neat 12:57 < jbit> main problem i see at the moment is it uses mmu/fcse for some things, and looks like the portal player lacks cp15 all together 12:57 < jbit> btu i may be wrong, havn't done much exploring since it really sucks to do exploring without a console :) 12:57 < DerPapst> pps don't have an fpu or mmu 12:57 < rvvs89> acronyms! aaaaa 12:58 < jbit> well most arms don't have fpus, and some arms have fcse and no mmu 12:58 < courtc> It does have a simple MMU/tlb with 8 regs per core. 12:58 * jbit hugs fcse 12:58 < courtc> Nothing really worth much. 12:58 < DerPapst> see... i really need to stfu P 12:58 < jbit> courtc: ah, okay, will have to check it out 12:58 < jbit> is it cp15 driven? 12:59 < jbit> or does it use memory mapped regs? 12:59 < courtc> nope, some crappy mmio reg BS. 12:59 < jbit> bah :) 12:59 * jbit gets back to work 13:00 < jbit> must... fix... lame... bugs... ;-/ 13:00 < courtc> rvvs89: when you compile an executable with a malloc function call gcc includes in that executable the default uclibc malloc function, which is a wrapper (library ?) around mmap 13:01 < courtc> likewise the wrapper will use munmap for free. 13:01 < courtc> mmap and munmap are linux system calls. 13:01 < jbit> that sounds.... slow... 13:01 < rvvs89> I should probably man mmap 13:01 < jbit> unless syscalls are fast for some reason 13:02 < courtc> syscalls have no reason to be very slow. 13:02 < jbit> courtc: i know, but they generally are :) 13:02 < jbit> especially on unix-style systems 13:03 < courtc> Except, that usually (for non-tiny kernels) they have to write all the regs to memory and read them back again. 13:05 < jbit> there's more to a context switch than writing regs usually :) 13:05 < courtc> Shouldn't be. 13:06 < courtc> Ideally, that it. 13:06 < courtc> is* 13:06 < jbit> true :) 13:06 < jbit> fcse on arm is nice 13:06 < courtc> rvvs89: the default malloc/free wrapper also includes heap allocation functions for small allocations. What these exactly do, I am not sure, but they do not include any syscalls. 13:06 < jbit> when it's used properly 13:07 < courtc> Yep, sounds useful. 13:07 < jbit> gaia (my kernel) could do syscalls without a context store using fcse and some magic getting it into fiq mode 13:07 < jbit> so small system-calls can be very very fast 13:07 < rvvs89> courtc: ah ok, I was wondering how it would manage small allocs... 13:07 < courtc> Too bad that won't work on an ipod ;) 13:07 < jbit> fcse is fast context switch extension, btw :) 13:07 < jbit> courtc: nod 13:07 < jbit> but i'll find another way of doing fast syscalls 13:08 < jbit> kinda required for a microkernel 13:08 < courtc> You might be slightly interested in my scratch together kernel. 13:09 < jbit> probably :) 13:09 < courtc> http://svn.so2.sytes.net/repos/ccos ... or something. 13:09 < jbit> i'm more interested in playing around with low level stuff than doing usefull things :) 13:09 < jbit> i do useful stuff too much at work 13:10 < jbit> :P 13:10 * DerPapst bets gaja is non free? 13:10 < jbit> but hopefully me playing round with the broadcom processor could be useful for some people 13:10 < jbit> DerPapst: gaia isn't open right now 13:11 < jbit> it's a research thing, so i prefer not to release it 13:11 < DerPapst> jub jub... 13:12 < DerPapst> have you already looked at the 5Gs rsrc imgae? 13:12 < jbit> a bit 13:12 < DerPapst> afaik it's a fat filesystem 13:12 < jbit> as i said, havn't really had much time to go exploring 13:12 < jbit> super busy at work :) 13:14 < rvvs89> courtc: can you remind me again why we aren't using the NPO2 allocator, given that it works? 13:14 < courtc> It reduces ide speed to about 500K/s 13:15 < rvvs89> ah 13:18 < courtc> The find_free_pages fcn in page_alloc2.c is supposedly the culprit. 13:19 < courtc> Although, I can't really imagine why the ide driver would require allocation. 13:19 < courtc> or, at the least an excessive amount of allocation. 13:20 < rvvs89> well, the PO2 allocator looks very efficient, but I haven't even glanced at the NPO2 allocator 13:23 < rvvs89> courtc: I can't find that function 13:23 < rvvs89> do you mean find_some_memory? 13:26 -!- RedDak [n=dak@host180-86-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["I'm quitting... Bye all"] 13:28 < courtc> __get_free_pages perhaps. 13:29 < rvvs89> ah, right 13:35 < rvvs89> yeah, that's quite large... 13:36 < rvvs89> how fast is ide usually? 13:36 < rvvs89> well, with the other allocator 13:44 < rvvs89> lol! http://www.nrao.edu/pr/2007/coldspot/graphics.shtml 13:46 < DerPapst> eh? it's probably filled with dark matter ;P 13:47 < rvvs89> heh, well, apparently there's none of that either 13:50 < DerPapst> i bet someone stole the galaxies there... or maybe some aliens tested a super weapon and erased themselfes ^^ 13:51 < rvvs89> nah it's a bad sector :P 13:51 < rvvs89> a corrupted location in space 13:52 < DerPapst> maybe god shuld run fsck... or replace the universe with another before more quadrants drop out o.O 13:53 * DerPapst goes back coding 13:53 < rvvs89> that would make said god a pretty lousy sysop 13:54 < DerPapst> hehehe 13:54 < rvvs89> to allow an area of space multiple billions of lightyears accross to suffer total existance failure 13:56 < rvvs89> meh, laters 13:59 < DerPapst> see you 14:36 < DerPapst> heh... most of my code is sanity chacks and error messages ;-) 14:36 < DerPapst> *checks even 14:49 < fxb> DerPapst: what are you working on? 15:01 < DerPapst> still the createbutton extension 15:02 < DerPapst> i bet my code is pretty ugly but it works at least. 15:02 * DerPapst never really coded php before 15:03 < DerPapst> i added the abillity to have buttons with graphics 15:04 < DerPapst> and the images that are used can be scaled down :) 15:06 < DerPapst> now i have to figure out how to annoy the user who is using that extension while editing but avoid annoying users who simply look at the page. probably no one wants a 1600x1200 large button ;) 15:07 -!- rager [n=Administ@64.125.162.126] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:08 < DerPapst> which means even more checks :P 15:10 * jbit sighs 15:12 < DerPapst> heh.. 15:13 < DerPapst> either you are annoyed by the bugs or by your slow compiler... 15:13 < jbit> it feels like all i've done today is watch loading bars and kill myself :) 15:15 < DerPapst> yay.. loadingbars :D 15:16 < jbit> not jsut loadingbars... loadingbars in debug mode 15:16 < jbit> which are like a bazillion times slower 15:16 < DerPapst> haha 15:17 * DerPapst just meat the amiconn of #mediawiki 15:18 < DerPapst> and the JdGordon of #mediawiki too :D 15:46 -!- fxb is now known as fxb__ 15:47 -!- Kwiwii [n=ezra@pool-96-224-238-183.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:47 < Kwiwii> Hello 15:47 < Kwiwii> I dont know if you can help me out but i dont know what to do after i downloaded the installer for ipod linux 15:47 < Kwiwii> ubuntu 7.04 15:57 < DataGhost> I'm back! 15:58 < DataGhost> I bought an unstealable bike! 15:58 < jbit> it's pink? 15:58 < DataGhost> no 15:58 < DataGhost> it's just crappy without pink 15:58 < jbit> :) 15:58 < DataGhost> cheap enough to safely put around the train station 15:58 < jbit> bring it to copenhagen, it'll probably still get stolen 15:58 < DataGhost> meh 15:58 < DataGhost> I have a lock, too 15:58 < jbit> :) 15:59 < DataGhost> two even. normal disc lock and one of them huge-steel-wire locks 15:59 < DataGhost> really sucks that my E900 bike was stolen... insurance expired so no cash for me 15:59 -!- lokkju_wrk [n=lokkju@unaffiliated/lokkju] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 15:59 < jbit> ouch :( 16:00 < DataGhost> and an anti-theft chip? hah. if it worked I'd have it back already. it was stolen 5 months ago 16:00 < Kwiwii> hey do you guy know how to install ipod linux? 16:00 < DataGhost> no 16:01 < Kwiwii> crap 16:03 -!- Kwiwii [n=ezra@pool-96-224-238-183.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 16:03 < DerPapst> lol? 16:04 < DerPapst> DataGhost: all exams over? 16:04 < DataGhost> yes. I have to fix some mysql thing on my server though 16:04 < DataGhost> after that I can see what brarei said 16:05 < DerPapst> heh 16:05 < DerPapst> do that 16:06 < DerPapst> i'll head home now. need to by some food 16:06 < DerPapst> ;) 16:06 < DerPapst> after that i'll annoy you by showing you my all new and shiny CreateButton extension ;) 16:11 < DerPapst> work -> home 16:11 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@tux.isd-internet.de] has quit ["So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!"] 16:28 < DataGhost> wow 16:28 < DataGhost> big reply that was 16:28 < DataGhost> 'what?' 16:29 -!- amiconn_ [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has joined #ipodlinux 16:29 -!- amiconn [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:29 -!- amiconn_ is now known as amiconn 16:30 < DataGhost> I gave him one more chance to tell me. Next time I see him online and not answering that PM (or in 3-4 hours, whichever is sooner), he's gone. 17:35 -!- F-F_[hmf] is now known as F-F_|hmf| 17:38 -!- saintjimmy5294 [n=chatzill@d192-24-28-43.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:47 -!- perror [n=fleury@mazurek.labri.fr] has quit ["Quitting"] 18:26 -!- HellDragon [n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon] has quit [Client Quit] 18:28 -!- TerrorB1te [i=TerrorBi@uow-203-87-55-71.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 18:28 -!- TerrorBite [i=TerrorBi@uow-203-87-55-71.nsw.chariot.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:46 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@pD9EB43B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ipodlinux 18:47 < DerPapst> morning at all :) 18:47 -!- thegeek_ [n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #ipodlinux 18:47 -!- thegeek [n=nnscript@s189a.studby.ntnu.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:53 -!- TerrorB1te [i=TerrorBi@uow-203-87-55-71.nsw.chariot.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:05 < DerPapst> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1xIvENgfl4 <-- hahahah 19:31 -!- kick52_ [n=Tim@91.108.226.193] has quit [] 19:35 -!- martyn [n=martyn@200.119.47.124] has joined #ipodlinux 19:36 < martyn> Hi, know you if game exist chess for ipod video.. anby version.. mac.. win.. linu.--? 19:43 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.226.193] has joined #ipodlinux 19:51 -!- RedDak [n=dak@host180-86-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ipodlinux 19:51 < DerPapst> sorry but i failed parsing your question... 19:53 < martyn> Hi, i want to play chess in my ipod, exist it game for the ipod? 19:55 < DerPapst> yes. 19:55 < DerPapst> it at least exists in podzilla0 19:55 < DerPapst> i don't know if there is a module for podzilla 2 19:55 < martyn> it is free? 19:56 < DerPapst> sure 19:56 < DerPapst> everything at iPodlinux is free 19:56 < DerPapst> here is the module http://www.ipodlinux.org/Special:Module/tuxchess 19:56 < martyn> XD, i see in the web info about this... 19:56 < martyn> uhm. 19:56 < martyn> ... and for the win2 version? know you? 19:56 < DataGhost> unless you WANT to pay for it, in which case obviously nobody is stopping you 19:58 < martyn> :(. ok.. I am GUL.. linux user.. and i want convert my ipod win2, i ipod linux version.. .. 19:58 < martyn> what i doing do? 19:59 < DerPapst> uhmmm. so you're running linux on your PC too? 19:59 < martyn> yes, i use Debian distro. 20:00 < DerPapst> and your ipod has already a fat32 filesystem? 20:01 < martyn> :S, idont know what file system have my ipod.... maiby know it when conect in win2? 20:01 < martyn> or in linux how know it? 20:01 < DerPapst> using windows to install iPodLinux isn't such a good idea 20:02 < DerPapst> have you tried connecting your iPod to your pc already? 20:03 < martyn> yes, my ipod is conect to usb port.. and i run Debian.. 20:04 < DerPapst> fine.. can you check your ipods filesystem then? i guess it's fat32 20:06 < martyn> how i know the file system.. in console debian?.. df -h show nothing about ipod 20:07 < DerPapst> where is your iPod mounted? 20:07 < DerPapst> /dev/sdX 20:07 < martyn> i see in syslog that : 20:07 < martyn> Aug 24 15:03:54 cathe kernel: sdb: assuming drive cache: write through 20:07 < martyn> in sdb ? 20:08 < martyn> but no mount in some directory.. 20:08 < DerPapst> if you type mount does it list your iPod there then? 20:08 -!- saintjimmy5294 [n=chatzill@d192-24-28-43.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]"] 20:09 < martyn> http://martynssh.no-ip.org/log.1 20:09 < martyn> this is the show.. 20:10 < martyn> i dont see the ipod mounted. 20:10 < DerPapst> not listed there... and does dmesg tell anything usefull? 20:11 < martyn> this is the syslog out put 20:11 < martyn> http://martynssh.no-ip.org/log.2 20:11 < martyn> and dmesg 20:11 < martyn> .. 20:12 < DerPapst> jupp.. /dev/sdb 20:12 < martyn> http://martynssh.no-ip.org/log.3 20:13 < DerPapst> a 5.5G 30GB iPod 20:13 < martyn> 30 G 20:14 < martyn> yes.. 20:15 < DerPapst> you can either install ipodlinux manually or use the linux installer from the same page. You have to be root to install iPL. If you install it manually you have to format your iPod and loose all your data if you don't back up. 20:15 < DerPapst> or you can use the installer and you won't loose any music or other stuff on your iPod 20:15 < DerPapst> here is the page: http://www.ipodlinux.org/5.5G 20:16 < martyn> why 5.5G? 20:16 -!- cdm [n=cdm@pool-71-116-92-149.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:17 < DataGhost> because there is a difference between 'G' and 'GB' 20:17 < DataGhost> the first is to indicate 'Generation' 20:17 < DataGhost> the other to indicate 'GigaByte' 20:18 < martyn> have danger that my ipod could damage..? 20:18 < martyn> when installed it.. 20:18 < martyn> ? 20:18 < DerPapst> no 20:19 < DerPapst> you can always restore your ipod 20:19 < DataGhost> Please read the appropriate FAQs and information pages, it's all explained there 20:19 < DerPapst> to factory settings 20:19 -!- davina [n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["xchat on Ubuntu 7.04"] 20:20 < martyn> other... why all the photos an dscreen shots that i see.. is in black and white.... linux version ..not color? 20:21 < DerPapst> looks colorfull enough for me ;) http://www.ipodlinux.org/Screenshots#Video_.285th_Gen_iPod.29 20:23 < martyn> XD, isbeautifull 20:23 < martyn> i will read the manual installer.. 20:56 -!- martyn [n=martyn@200.119.47.124] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:09 -!- rager [n=Administ@64.125.162.126] has joined #ipodlinux 21:16 -!- HellDragon [n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon] has joined #ipodlinux 21:18 -!- davina [n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:21 -!- HellDragon [n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon] has quit [Client Quit] 21:23 -!- davina [n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:27 -!- HellDragon [n=Nocebo@unaffiliated/helldragon] has joined #ipodlinux 21:31 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.226.193] has quit [] 21:33 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.226.193] has joined #ipodlinux 21:37 -!- scorche [n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche] has joined #ipodlinux 21:45 < DataGhost> hmm 21:45 < DataGhost> this might help that nano2g-attempting-to-crack-it-team 21:45 < DataGhost> the images I just generated suggest that they're using new keys every firmware update 21:47 < DataGhost> or maybe not. could be caused by a 1-byte alignment I guess 21:48 < Bi-noix> :) 21:48 < Bi-noix> it helps a lot 21:51 < DataGhost> no it's caused even by a 1-byte alignment error 21:51 -!- RedDak [n=dak@host180-86-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:52 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.226.193] has quit [] 21:53 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.226.193] has joined #ipodlinux 22:03 < DerPapst> bummer 22:04 < DataGhost> I should have read the rest of their documents 22:04 < DataGhost> first 1600something bytes are the same so they assume the key wasn't changed 22:04 < DerPapst> their = who? 22:04 < DataGhost> http://www.linux4nano.org/ 22:04 < DataGhost> just checking the progress :) 22:06 < DerPapst> are all images encryppled on the 2nd gen nano? 22:08 < DataGhost> not rsrc but that's completely useless 22:09 < DataGhost> anyway, it looks like the nano2g even selfdestructs it's flashrom after x failed attempts to corrupt it 22:09 < DataGhost> they wrote that in their hardware synthesis 22:10 -!- AriX_ [n=arix@c-76-99-119-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:10 -!- davina [n=dave@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:43 -!- asraniel [n=asraniel@111.166.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ipodlinux 22:49 -!- hhehw [n=xboxhheh@pool-70-18-2-100.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:07 -!- AriX_ [n=arix@c-76-99-119-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:15 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@pD9EB43B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!"] 23:22 -!- Red_Pigeon [i=Red_Pige@dialup-4.225.237.41.Dial1.Detroit1.Level3.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:23 < Red_Pigeon> hey Could Someone help me i have a Ipod Gen 5.5 And The Installer Can't Detect The Ipod 23:23 -!- asraniel [n=asraniel@111.166.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:37 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.226.193] has quit [] 23:38 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.226.193] has joined #ipodlinux 23:42 < Bi-noix> the installer sucks 23:42 < Bi-noix> do it manually --- Log closed Sat Aug 25 00:00:00 2007