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01:31 < dano_washere> Morn'n
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01:39 < emmy212> hi all..
01:44 < emmy212> can i get some help plz?
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01:56 < courtc> dano_washere: around?
01:57 < dano_washere> hey, what?
01:58 < dano_washere> Yes, im here if ya mean that :).
02:02 < courtc> Yes, there is a gcc that works on the ipod.
02:02 < dano_washere> Thanks :)!
02:02 < dano_washere> Where would i be able to aquire it?
02:03 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/Ipod_toolchain
02:03 < dano_washere> Damn, must of missed it. I was searching the forums for the toolchain..
02:03 < dano_washere> Thanks!
02:03 < courtc> You got it.
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03:14 < daniel_washere> Damn.
03:14 < daniel_washere> the toolchain is too big.
03:15 < daniel_washere> Is there any Easy way to extend the linux the partition without losing dat
03:15 < daniel_washere> data*
03:16 < daniel_washere> or Could i create another linux partition and just resize my music partition
03:18 < courtc> If you can find a safe way to resize your music partition...
03:19 < daniel_washere> Fair enough.
03:19 < daniel_washere> or is it possible to install the toolchain using the music partition?
03:20 < courtc> probably, but it might be nasty. You might need to do some permissions mangling.
03:20 < daniel_washere> oh.
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03:37 < Digital_Pioneer> OK, so it looks like iPodLinux is dead, buried and fully decomposed. :(
03:37 < Digital_Pioneer> Is it?
03:37 < Soap> no
03:37 < courtc> uhh?
03:38 < Digital_Pioneer> No news or updates to the download section since 2004?
03:38 < courtc> Yea, don't look at the sourceforge page.
03:38 < Digital_Pioneer> A supported iPod page made mostly of "not officially supported"?
03:38 < Digital_Pioneer> OK, SF is outdated.
03:38 < Soap> you need to understand the IPL definition of "supported"
03:39 < Digital_Pioneer> But is the supported iPod list?
03:39 < Digital_Pioneer> OK, my definition of supported is: does it run relatively stable with at least most functionality and not crash every hour?
03:39 < courtc> supported means that the dev team provides support for it.
03:40 < Digital_Pioneer> ...Oh...
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03:40 < Soap> If anyone missuses "supported" it's Rockbox. I think IPLs defintion is literal, and easy to understand.
03:40 < Digital_Pioneer> So the SF page is outdated...
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03:41 < Digital_Pioneer> I got the installer v2.2, is that current?
03:41 < Soap> IPL has grown beyond the limits of such boundries as SourceForge.
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03:41 < Soap> The Man can't hold IPL down!
03:42 < Digital_Pioneer> The Man doesn't care about IPL, he just wants to distribute his zune and vi$ta.
03:42 < Digital_Pioneer> :P
03:42 < courtc> microsoft is not the man.
03:43 < Digital_Pioneer> They're close enough.
03:43 < Soap> *cough*
03:43 < Digital_Pioneer> Which "The Man" are you talking about?
03:44 < Digital_Pioneer> OK, I think the IPL installer 2.2 is a little... Corrupted?
03:46 < Digital_Pioneer> http://206.255.206.132:3561/ipl.jpg
03:47 < Digital_Pioneer> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I should be seeing known characters, not the unknown character symbol no?
03:48 < Soap> 2.2 isn't corrupted, it's old.
03:49 < Soap> and I can't speak for your fonts.
03:49 < Digital_Pioneer> So ipodlinux.org is outdated too?
03:50 < Soap> nvm, I can't speak for installing /from/ linux.
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03:53 < Digital_Pioneer> So you can't use Linux to use Linux? Ouch.
03:53 < courtc> Sure you can.
03:53 < courtc> Just typcially, the people who use linux know enough to install it manually.
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03:54 < Digital_Pioneer> Aaahhhhhhh, now we're talking. :)
03:54 < Digital_Pioneer> I'm not afraid to compile.
03:54 < Digital_Pioneer> I just went for the installer because I compile only when I have to, but I do when it's called for.
03:55 < Digital_Pioneer> So what? SVN?
03:55 < courtc> sure.
03:55 < courtc> What gen ipod?
03:57 < Digital_Pioneer> DK yet. LOL
03:57 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/Generations
03:58 < Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, I don't have it yet.
03:58 < courtc> I see.
03:58 < Digital_Pioneer> http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/installer?
03:58 < courtc> That'd be the installer.
03:59 < Digital_Pioneer> Right. Is it what I want?
03:59 < courtc> Unless, you want to install manually.
03:59 < Digital_Pioneer> Is there any particular benefit?
04:00 < courtc> fine-grained control.
04:00 < Digital_Pioneer> Well, if I want to change something I'll do that. I'll stick with the installer for now.
04:01 < Digital_Pioneer> How do I compile this thing? No makefile, jamfile, cmakelists.txt, configure, autogen.sh, build.sh, compile.sh or anything else I know...
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04:02 < courtc> qmake
04:02 < Digital_Pioneer> Ahh. :)
04:03 < Digital_Pioneer> Boom....
04:03 < Digital_Pioneer> Errorz!
04:03 < Digital_Pioneer> As expected, missing headers.
04:04 < Digital_Pioneer> Whoops, nope. Sources looking in the wrong place.
04:04 < daniel_washere> Eh arm-elf-gcc doesnt support daemons and stuff like that. Or is that more of a kernel thing?
04:05 < courtc> doesn't really have to do too much with either.
04:05 < daniel_washere> Ah, ok.
04:05 < courtc> daniel_washere: daemons in uclinux are kinda tricky, since there's no fork()
04:06 < daniel_washere> So no support?
04:06 < daniel_washere> "corehttp.c: undefined reference to `daemon'"
04:06 < courtc> There is, for exmaple mpd uses vfork for daemons.
04:06 < daniel_washere> Ah, fair enough.
04:06 < daniel_washere> Thanks, *goes back to Boa Webserver*
04:07 < courtc> daemon() uses fork(), which under uclinux maps to vfork()
04:07 < courtc> The way mpd does it is rather crafty, would you like me to explain it?
04:07 < daniel_washere> fair enough ;p.
04:07 < daniel_washere> nah its fine :)
04:07 < daniel_washere> i kinda get it
04:08 < daniel_washere> its more of a client to host thing daemon sorta thing
04:08 < daniel_washere> isnt it?
04:08 < courtc> well a daemon is just an application that runs in the background.
04:09 < daniel_washere> So that'd just be the host side of mpd?
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04:09 < courtc> Well, that's what mpd is, a Music Player Daemon ;)
04:09 < courtc> the client isn't a part of mpd
04:09 < daniel_washere> ah ok :P
04:10 < Digital_Pioneer> OK, I've got some serious Qt header problems here...
04:10 < Digital_Pioneer> I think it would be easier to install manually. LOL
04:11 < courtc> The downside to having an application daemonize itself on ipodlinux is the fact that the kernel will have to allocate memory for the application twice, once for each time it executes. Usually it's not much of a problem, but in the case of ipodlinux, free isn't working...
04:12 < daniel_washere> So the memory side of things are a bit twisted?
04:12 < courtc> Yea.
04:12 < courtc> Currently the best way to daemonize a process is to put & after it on the command line (or rc script)
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04:13 < daniel_washere> Fair enough :)
04:13 < daniel_washere> So would it be better to use a server with/without daemon?
04:13 < daniel_washere> It has its downsides and upsides by the sound of things
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04:14 < courtc> a server typically has the charicteristics of a daemon
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04:15 < courtc> A server that runs in the foreground is usually fairly useless.
04:16 < courtc> So if you wanted to port boa, you can just rip out all daemonizing code, start it with "boa &"
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04:17 < courtc> now, boa might detect if it's running it the foreground and spit out extra logging information in this case, so you could do "boa 1>/dev/null &"
04:18 < courtc> I'm not sure if minix supports it, but 1>&- is actually faster.
04:20 < daniel_washere> Boa is setup with 2 logs
04:20 < daniel_washere> access_log & error_log
04:20 < daniel_washere> it never failed on compile with daemon
04:21 < daniel_washere> does that necessarily mean it does/does not use a daemon?
04:22 < courtc> It doesn't *use* a daemon. It either acts as a daemon (runs in the background) or doesn't.
04:24 < courtc> basically, you should remove the daemonizing code from boa.
04:24 < courtc> It's currently more trouble than it's worth.
04:25 < daniel_washere> Hehe i know, but its fun to experiment.
04:26 < daniel_washere> I got it to run but i dont know if it is running properly at all
04:26 < daniel_washere> i just get a a small white box cursor terminal thingy. then thats all
04:26 < daniel_washere> There were errors before but thats because i didnt place files in the correct places.
04:27 < daniel_washere> (My over abuse of spamming the irc with error messages ;) before)
04:30 < daniel_washere> I also tried connecting to it using the links (cross-compiled)
04:30 < daniel_washere> but im still not sure if i used the right parameter
04:31 < daniel_washere> Links @ (hd0,2)/kernel.bin links http://127.0.0.1:80/
04:34 < courtc> I doubt links will work. ncurses and all.
04:34 < courtc> I suggest using wget or curl or something similar.
04:36 < daniel_washere> links did work though
04:36 < daniel_washere> or would it still be un-usable?
04:36 < daniel_washere> i couldnt click anything because i havent edited the iPods input in yet ('r', 'm', etc)
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04:49 < daniel_washere> i`ll try cURL now
04:53 < daniel_washere> hehe it compiled
04:56 < daniel_washere> The server must not be working correctly
04:56 < daniel_washere> it cant find the url
04:57 < daniel_washere> http://127.0.0.1/ should do it right?
04:57 < courtc> yup.
04:57 < daniel_washere> Said it couldnt find the server.
04:57 < courtc> is it running on port 80?
04:58 < daniel_washere> yea
04:58 < daniel_washere> All in config file
04:58 < daniel_washere> Hmmm
04:58 < daniel_washere> "# Listen: the Internet address to bind(2) to. If you leave it out,
04:58 < daniel_washere> # it takes the behavior before 0.93.17.2, which is to bind to all"
04:59 < daniel_washere> By default its commented out
04:59 < daniel_washere> "#Listen 192.68.0.5"
04:59 < daniel_washere> but the loopback should take of things right?
04:59 < courtc> Yea, if it bbinds to all addresses.
05:00 < daniel_washere> Logs arent reporting any access or errors.
05:01 < daniel_washere> Unless i missed something out
05:01 < courtc> Is it actually runnning?
05:01 < daniel_washere> Yea
05:01 < daniel_washere> its in my rc file
05:02 < daniel_washere> you get a like 1-3 second pause before all other applications start
05:02 < courtc> Yes, but is it running?
05:02 < courtc> check with ps
05:02 < daniel_washere> i`ll try it now
05:05 < daniel_washere> it went to fast down
05:05 < daniel_washere> but by the looks of it
05:05 < daniel_washere> cant see boa anywhere
05:07 < daniel_washere> Hmmm i wonder if a 3G user would be willing to see if they can gain access to the webserver
05:12 < courtc> It would be almost as easy just to create a simple webserver.
05:12 < courtc> The protocol is pretty dead simple.
05:16 < daniel_washere> yer
05:16 < daniel_washere> but they have all these advanced servers with all these high tech features an iPod couldnt possibly need
05:17 < courtc> Exactly, hence making a simple one.
05:17 < daniel_washere> But its easier to type 2 commands xD
05:18 < daniel_washere> nah i`ll start on one i guess
05:18 < daniel_washere> Though not to familiar with threads :/
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05:18 < courtc> Don't even bother with thread.s
05:19 < daniel_washere> ah k
05:29 < lex> :o
05:29 < lex> morning guys
05:32 < courtc> hey
05:32 < daniel_washere> morning
05:33 < daniel_washere> LEX the toolchain is for the taking :D
05:33 < lex> :o
05:33 < lex> you know what
05:33 < lex> i need to go to... school now :(
05:34 < daniel_washere> Damn
05:34 < daniel_washere> wait what?
05:34 < daniel_washere> isnt it saturday there?
05:34 < daniel_washere> You go to school on weekends :|
05:34 < lex> yep :(
05:34 < lex> it's a saturdayschool so we can get a free day at the end of this month
05:35 < lex> but now i need to go, bye :<
05:35 < daniel_washere> so confusing and random
05:35 < daniel_washere> lol see ya
05:35 < lex> yep ;g
05:35 < daniel_washere> compile a kernel if you get bored
05:35 < courtc> daniel_washere: mind if I make a httpd right quick?
05:35 < lex> i'm flashing the newest custom firmware on my psp now, but i'll go when it's done
05:35 < daniel_washere> lol to be honest ive been looking at its source right now
05:35 < daniel_washere> sure ;D
05:36 < daniel_washere> i was going to base it off that.. but its already simplifed
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05:44 < daniel_washere> GAIM keeps crashing on me randomly :/
05:50 < daniel_washere> courtc
05:50 < daniel_washere> also if you compile it
05:50 < daniel_washere> are you using the makefile?
05:50 < courtc> eh?
05:50 < daniel_washere> You have to change some values in the file
05:50 < daniel_washere> #define DEFAULT_USER 0
05:50 < daniel_washere> #define DEFAULT_GROUP 0
05:51 < daniel_washere> but your probably already know that?
05:51 < daniel_washere> ;p
05:51 < courtc> What? I'm making my own.
05:51 < daniel_washere> oh
05:51 < daniel_washere> hehe fair enough xD
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06:01 < daniel_washere> damn httpd keeps failing to start cause it cant resolve the hostname.
06:02 < daniel_washere> (Random question); So there is no way USB/Serial will work without drivers?
06:02 < daniel_washere> (Would attempting to use newer 2.6 kernels work?)
06:03 < courtc> no
06:05 < daniel_washere> damn :(
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06:07 < aegray> yay aegray_'s back!
06:07 < aegray> hi aegray_
06:07 < courtc> heh
06:07 * aegray apartment internet was out
06:07 < aegray_> hi aegray
06:08 < aegray> :)
06:08 < daniel_washere> ;p morn'n
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06:08 < aegray> daniel_washere: if you can get 2.6 working I'll give you a cookie though
06:08 < daniel_washere> YaY
06:08 < aegray> and other things
06:08 < daniel_washere> :|
06:08 < daniel_washere> Lets just leave it at the cookies
06:08 < daniel_washere> Choc Chip?
06:08 < aegray> sure
06:09 * daniel_washere drools
06:09 < courtc> man, I would have taken the million dollars.
06:09 < aegray> he didn't want it :/
06:11 < daniel_washere> lol
06:11 < daniel_washere> well
06:11 < daniel_washere> if its aegrays secret cookie recipe then there worth a million each!
06:15 < daniel_washere> lmao this is going to be fun i dont even know how to compile a linux kernel :|
06:15 < aegray> yea....
06:15 < aegray> that'll work out well then
06:15 < daniel_washere> dont you have to apply a patch to the uClinux kernel?
06:15 < daniel_washere> thats about all i remember :/
06:16 < daniel_washere> Doubt i`ll get anywhere no use doing anything ;)
06:16 < daniel_washere> No cookie for me :(
06:17 < daniel_washere> ;o You's didnt even put iPodlinux as a port on the "http://www.uclinux.org/ports/" page
06:18 < lex> :o
06:18 < lex> got pics now?
06:18 < daniel_washere> ITS LEX
06:18 < lex> yep it is
06:18 < daniel_washere> hey aegray never said it had to be a target for iPod
06:18 < lex> ircing from school :o
06:18 < daniel_washere> compile the linux kernel 2.6 on the ipod lex :D
06:18 < daniel_washere> i can still get a cookie
06:19 < daniel_washere> .. What do you normal IRC on?
06:19 < lex> home? :o
06:19 < aegray> his car
06:19 < lex> :G
06:19 < lex> yeah, sometimes even there
06:19 < daniel_washere> Question ;p
06:20 < daniel_washere> how did you get on IRC from school
06:20 < daniel_washere> when you've been at home as well
06:20 < daniel_washere> it should've said disconnect & connect
06:20 < daniel_washere> ;p
06:20 < lex> putty you know, an ssh client
06:20 < daniel_washere> oh :/
06:20 < lex> no, a server with irssi and screen
06:20 < daniel_washere> YaY
06:20 < daniel_washere> my word for the day
06:20 < lex> works nicely where ever i go
06:20 < daniel_washere> :)
06:23 < daniel_washere> Eh
06:23 < daniel_washere> how am i meant to try compile if theres only a patch for 2.4
06:23 < daniel_washere> "uclinux-2.4.24-ipod2.patch (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ipodlinux/uclinux-2.4.24-ipod2.patch.gz?download) - uClinux iPod specific patch (not required if using CVS, see below)"
06:23 < lex> brb, i need to go to go around the school now
06:24 < daniel_washere> loll k
06:24 < daniel_washere> lol*
06:27 < daniel_washere> Does this still apply
06:27 < daniel_washere> "For most iPodLinux applications, you compile using the arm-uclinux-elf 3.4.3 toolchain. However, the kernel needs to be built using the older arm-elf 2.95 toolchain. You can install both toolchains at once without major problems."
06:27 < aegray> yes.
06:27 < daniel_washere> Damn.. another toolchain :(
06:27 < aegray> its not like you have to build the toolchain yourself
06:27 < aegray> just install something
06:28 < daniel_washere> But i have to click
06:28 < daniel_washere> Hmm
06:28 < daniel_washere> i can also update the kernel to?
06:28 < daniel_washere> Why didnt it say so earlier ;P
06:28 < aegray> hhuh?
06:29 < daniel_washere> "(An alternative is to update the kernel to compile with the 3.4.3 toolchain - see the Experimental Kernel page for a solution to this)"
06:30 < daniel_washere> Can the 2 toolchains Co-exist?
06:32 < aegray> yes
06:32 < daniel_washere> sweet
06:32 < daniel_washere> then its all good
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06:44 < daniel_washere> Toolchain wont install
06:44 < daniel_washere> gunzip: stdin: not in gzip format
06:44 < daniel_washere> tar: Old option `f' requires an argument.
06:44 < daniel_washere> Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information.
06:45 < daniel_washere> eh, now i see ... i corrupted a binary file
06:45 < daniel_washere> YaY
06:52 < daniel_washere> ok
06:52 < daniel_washere> just patched files
06:53 < daniel_washere> Ok.. now im stuck..
06:53 < daniel_washere> http://ipodlinux.org/Kernel_Building
06:53 < daniel_washere> Step 3
06:53 < daniel_washere> i have no options what-so-ever
06:53 < daniel_washere> there is no 2.6 patch - ipod2
06:55 < daniel_washere> can i still use the old one?
06:55 < daniel_washere> although 2.4 would probably have a different structure to 2.6
06:57 < aegray> wha??
06:57 < daniel_washere> -_-''
06:57 < aegray> are you really trying to port 2.6?
06:57 < daniel_washere> yap
06:57 < aegray> lol
06:57 < daniel_washere> lol
06:57 < daniel_washere> xD
06:57 < daniel_washere> i knew you were laughing at me
06:58 < daniel_washere> your probably sitting there with popcorn
06:58 < aegray> haha
06:58 < aegray> i don't think its a trivial procedure
06:58 < daniel_washere> Yer but im just stuck
06:58 < daniel_washere> i cant patch it
06:58 < aegray> there is no 2.6 patch. I think theres a uclinux 2.6 patch, but from there, you're on your own to make it work on the ipod
06:59 < aegray> that's why its not an easy thing
06:59 < daniel_washere> oh
06:59 < daniel_washere> Would it be possible to try compile without the ipod changes first?
06:59 < daniel_washere> to see if it`ll actually compile
06:59 < aegray> it will compile fine
06:59 < daniel_washere> ah
06:59 < daniel_washere> yay
06:59 < aegray> wont really do much for you
06:59 < daniel_washere> you never said i had to do it with the ipod patch :D
06:59 < daniel_washere> so free cookie!
07:00 * aegray meant on ipod
07:00 < aegray> getting it working != compiling it
07:00 < aegray> no cookies
07:00 < daniel_washere> :(
07:00 < daniel_washere> damn
07:01 < daniel_washere> hmmm
07:01 < aegray> what are you trying to get it working for anyways?
07:01 < aegray> (ie what feature do you need)
07:01 < daniel_washere> lol..
07:01 < daniel_washere> now that you mention it
07:01 < daniel_washere> why am i doing this?
07:01 < daniel_washere> it started as WHERE THE HELL OR WHEN THE HELL IS A USB DRIVER GOING TO BE RELEASED
07:01 < daniel_washere> to
07:01 < aegray> haha
07:01 < daniel_washere> i get a free cookie
07:01 < aegray> 2.6 would help the usb driver
07:01 < daniel_washere> and since 2.6 wont help
07:01 < aegray> i'll admit that
07:02 < daniel_washere> wait
07:02 < daniel_washere> it will
07:02 < aegray> it won't be automatic
07:02 < daniel_washere> courtc.. you lied to me :(
07:02 < aegray> but it would help
07:02 < aegray> no he didn't
07:02 < daniel_washere> lol
07:02 < aegray> it wont just work
07:02 < daniel_washere> damn
07:02 < daniel_washere> but it will be easier non-the-less?
07:02 < aegray> yea
07:02 < daniel_washere> well make the process easier*
07:02 < daniel_washere> Hmmm
07:02 < daniel_washere> Who wants to help write a 2.6.20 patch for ipod ;P
07:03 < daniel_washere> Volunteers get a third of the cookie.
07:03 * aegray doesn't
07:03 < daniel_washere> hehe go figure ;p
07:03 < aegray> i'd be giving you a cookie to get back a third for my work??
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07:04 < daniel_washere> lol
07:04 < daniel_washere> yer
07:04 < daniel_washere> make a batch of 12 cookies
07:04 < daniel_washere> you`ll get 11 1/3 of them :)
07:04 < aegray> no dice
07:06 < daniel_washere> courtc: Any progress on the webserver?
07:06 < courtc> Yup.
07:06 < courtc> lots.
07:06 < daniel_washere> YaY
07:06 < daniel_washere> make it do ftp next ;)
07:06 < courtc> screw you ;)
07:06 < aegray> hahha
07:06 < daniel_washere> lol
07:07 < daniel_washere> i wonder if theres a linux program to change 2.4 patches to 2.6 :/
07:07 < aegray> yea......
07:08 < daniel_washere> Hmm. this sucks i wanna make my nano into a webserver
07:08 < aegray> why?
07:08 < daniel_washere> for the awsomeness factor
07:08 < daniel_washere> plug 'n' host
07:08 < aegray> thatll wear off in a week
07:09 < aegray> after the year of work required
07:09 < daniel_washere> lol
07:09 < daniel_washere> you cant say it isnt worth it ?!?!
07:09 < aegray> its not
07:09 < daniel_washere> fair enough ;P
07:09 < daniel_washere> I kinda feel sorry for you dev's
07:09 < daniel_washere> when ever a new iPod comes out
07:09 < daniel_washere> your flooded with "ZOMG ZOMG"
07:11 < lex> ;o
07:11 < daniel_washere> And if rumors are true
07:11 < daniel_washere> second half this year
07:11 < aegray> what rumors?
07:11 < daniel_washere> new iPods are out
07:11 < aegray> what are they supposed to have?
07:11 < daniel_washere> but i doubt that
07:11 < daniel_washere> Wifi apparently
07:12 < daniel_washere> to compute with Zune.
07:12 < daniel_washere> but i doubt that somehow
07:12 < daniel_washere> Apple go more for lets scam them for there money, technique ;)
07:13 < daniel_washere> compete*
07:16 < daniel_washere> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10&highlight=kernel
07:16 < daniel_washere> " The 2.6 port is proceeding fairly well however there is one major bug at the moment that causes disk corruption if a file system is mounted read/write. This problem does not affect the 2.4 version (the downloadable version from sf.net) only the 2.6 kernel code in CVS. "
07:17 < daniel_washere> There was the kernel patch in CVS now?
07:17 < daniel_washere> So one run of it
07:18 < daniel_washere> corrupts everything>
07:18 < daniel_washere> lmao thats more of a virus then what some security company came up with
07:18 < daniel_washere> it only made all .elf files crazy
07:20 < daniel_washere> Thought of another excuse for USB: being able to access files from podzilla ;p
07:21 < aegray> i didnt say i dont care about usb
07:21 < aegray> i just dont care about a webserver
07:21 < daniel_washere> lol fair enough
07:21 < daniel_washere> who i can still obtain a patch for 2.6
07:21 < daniel_washere> but it corrupts the filesystem
07:21 < aegray> STOP USING DIFFERENT FONTS
07:22 < aegray> THIS ISNT AN HTML BASED CHATROOM
07:22 < daniel_washere> ?
07:22 < daniel_washere> im using GAIM
07:23 < daniel_washere> it all appears black to me
07:23 < aegray> get rid of formatting
07:23 < scorche> [00:17:11] There was the kernel patch in CVS now?
07:23 < scorche> [00:17:59] So one run of it
07:23 < scorche> [00:18:03] corrupts everything>
07:23 < aegray> its showing up as html to me
07:23 < courtc> 02:22 < daniel_washere> it all appears black to me
07:23 < daniel_washere> i have no formatting :s
07:23 < aegray> yea you do
07:23 < aegray> font size=3 in an html tag
07:23 < daniel_washere> oO
07:23 < aegray> gah
07:23 < aegray> scorche: its no use because his client interprets the tags :P
07:23 < scorche> aegray: it was worth a try
07:23 < aegray> true
07:23 < daniel_washere> -_-'' i installed gaim and added this as IRC i didnt change nothing else
07:23 < scorche> incredibly annoying thoiugh
07:24 < daniel_washere> lmao should've told me earlier
07:24 < daniel_washere> CLIENT CHANGE
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07:24 < aegray> i thought he was copy pasting from the website
07:24 < courtc> ditto
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07:25 < aegray> damnit insight.
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07:26 < daniel_washere> better?
07:26 < aegray> yea
07:26 < daniel_washere> oO ive been using GAIM for months..
07:26 < daniel_washere> (and Klient on windows)
07:26 < daniel_washere> all that time?
07:27 < aegray> no
07:27 < aegray> it looks like you increased your font size by accident
07:27 < daniel_washere> hmm
07:27 < aegray> when you pasted
07:27 < daniel_washere> fair enough
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07:29 < daniel_washere> So the only issue with the new patch filesystem corruption?
07:29 < aegray> thats a pretty big issue
07:29 < daniel_washere> i know ;p
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07:32 < aegray> heh
07:33 < daniel_washere> gtg.
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07:50 < courtc> wee! my very first webserver.
07:51 < aegray> where?
07:51 < courtc> hold on one second.
07:51 * aegray gets his botnet ready...
07:56 < courtc> http://svn.so2.sytes.net/repos/httpd/
07:56 < aegray> cool
07:56 < aegray> "That is all."
07:56 < aegray> haha
07:57 < courtc> :)
07:58 < aegray> gah "data buffer error". It doesn't tell me anything else
07:58 < courtc> huh?
07:58 < aegray> oh whoops -> other
07:58 < courtc> Oh, I was about to say, httpd has NO errors!
07:59 < courtc> bahahaha
07:59 < aegray> haha
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10:38 < daniel_washere> back ;p
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10:39 < daniel_washere> what else does 2.6 do?
10:39 < daniel_washere> some power management thingamajig?
10:41 < daniel_washere> Meh.
10:42 < daniel_washere> how goes progress courtc?
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11:00 < daniel_washere> Hmm just a question
11:00 < daniel_washere> if the patch was to be applied to a later kernel version, could it be possible that the corruption issue is fixed
11:01 < daniel_washere> or would that be a problem with the patch file?
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11:20 < daniel_washere> Everyones either at school or asleep :P
11:20 < daniel_washere> or they think im annoying ^_^
11:43 < guyzmo> hi
11:43 < guyzmo> anyone has informations on how the 'do not disconnect' screen works ?
11:43 < daniel_washere> yay
11:43 < daniel_washere> Dont disconnect the USB Cable?
11:44 < daniel_washere> ;p
11:44 < daniel_washere> or Firewire cable
11:44 < guyzmo> I mean how can I access the ipod (read-only or r/w) without having the dnd screen ?
11:44 < daniel_washere> I dont think you can
11:44 < daniel_washere> the only other alternative to that is disk mode which does the exact same thing in black and white
11:45 < daniel_washere> Why, having troubles umount it?
11:45 < guyzmo> no
11:45 < daniel_washere> Hmm
11:45 < daniel_washere> no idea, i really dont think you can though
11:46 < fletcher> where can I get this modified bootloader for 5.5g 80 gb?
11:46 < fletcher> could someone tell me? because the link on 5.5g wiki page is broken
11:47 < guyzmo> I want to use it in my car and load data from the ipod (my engine curves) and if it's possible store results on the ipod
11:47 < guyzmo> without killing the flow of music
11:47 < guyzmo> :]
11:47 < guyzmo> (I have an interface for the engine's diagnostic interface)
11:48 < daniel_washere> @flecher: try looking at previous history of the 5.5G wiki page, it gets updated regulary
11:48 < fletcher> what should i look for in the history :o
11:48 < fletcher> i read that the source of the loader is in svn
11:48 < daniel_washere> @guyzmo: i again, dont think its possible to make it not display do no disconnect.
11:49 < fletcher> so i have to build it myself?
11:49 < daniel_washere> flecher: feel like compiling ;P?
11:49 < daniel_washere> flecher: unless theres a binary
11:49 < fletcher> there is no binary
11:49 < fletcher> ok i'll download the toolchain -.-
11:50 < fletcher> i hate compiling stuff myself ;)
11:50 < fletcher> always afraid of i am doing something wrong
11:50 < daniel_washere> Modified Bootloader
11:50 < daniel_washere> sorry not to familiar with 5.5G
11:50 < fletcher> ?
11:50 < daniel_washere> Ask DataGhost on that stuff :)
11:51 < fletcher> ok
11:51 < fletcher> at the moment i don't need it really so i'll wait ;)
11:53 < daniel_washere> Fair enough :)
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13:12 < DerPapst> fletcher: you're there?
13:12 < fletcher> yep
13:12 < DerPapst> i've broken the link a few days ago
13:12 < DerPapst> i fixed it now
13:13 < DerPapst> uploaded a newer version of the loader.
13:13 < fletcher> ok
13:13 < DerPapst> most of the downloads are on the "Download" page anyway.
13:14 < fletcher> ok so the link is on 5.5g page?
13:14 < DerPapst> yes.
13:14 < DerPapst> i've fixed it
13:14 < fletcher> ok thx
13:15 < DerPapst> courtc: thanks for the edit :-D
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13:22 < ibd> hi
13:57 < fletcher> [ERR] Input file too big for buffer
13:57 < fletcher> [ERR] --add-bootloader failed.
13:57 < fletcher> I get this when I try to put loader to my ipod
13:58 < fletcher> oh wrong file ;)
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14:07 < fletcher> ok it works :)
14:08 < fletcher> is there a way to hide the userland files on mac os x?
14:09 < DerPapst> not that i know of ;)
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14:26 < fletcher> ok
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14:53 < lex> hey, deutsch, anyone?
14:53 * DerPapst hides
14:53 < lex> :o
14:53 < lex> is teilen share or something in english? :O
14:54 < HardDisk_WP> yes
14:54 < fxb> yes
14:54 < DerPapst> yes
14:54 < lex> great, thanks
14:54 < HardDisk_WP> has anyone seen pfitzner the last days?
14:54 < DerPapst> no
14:54 < HardDisk_WP> sh*t
14:55 < DerPapst> why?
14:55 < DerPapst> afaik he's broken the ribbon cable of the click wheel while he tried to reassemble his mini
14:56 < HardDisk_WP> hm wait, i got his cellphone number
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15:32 < ibd> my name is Deutsch, btw
15:33 < ibd> thus the 'd' in "ibd"
15:33 < DerPapst> o rly?!
15:33 < ibd> ya rly
15:33 < ibd> yes wai
15:33 < DerPapst> heh.. cool :-D
15:34 < ibd> yep
15:34 < ibd> guess how I can label one of my school folders :D
15:34 < ibd> deutsch deutsch
15:35 < DerPapst> hahahaha
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15:44 < guyzmo> re
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16:08 < khermans> hello, is the source code for the installer available?
16:09 < khermans> i am making it core dump
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16:30 < courtc> khermans: it's in svn
16:30 < khermans> ok
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16:51 < khermans> courtc, there is no Makefile for the installer
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17:08 < guyzmo> I'm running 2007-04-17-kernel.bin with 2007-04-17-podzilla on my 5.5g ipod... is that a known issue that it runs terribly slowly ?
17:08 < courtc> Yea, use podzilla2
17:09 < guyzmo> ok
17:10 < guyzmo> courtc - got an url for the builds ?
17:11 < khermans> Are there instructions on how to build the installer from svn?
17:11 < rift> prout
17:11 < rift> sorry
17:12 < guyzmo> think I got it http://www.josh.sys-techs.com/svnbuilds/
17:12 < rift> guyzmo: www.google.fr ? :)
17:14 < courtc> khermans: use qmake
17:15 < khermans> courtc, i did and there is no output
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17:27 < khermans> this is useless
17:27 < khermans> where can i submit my core file?
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17:37 < khermans> well whoever cares
17:37 < khermans> iponinstaller amd64 core dump
17:37 < khermans> http://kristian-hermansen.com/core.tar.gz
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18:16 < aegray> anyone have a good undertanding of the linux dma subsystem?
18:16 < courtc> have you tried in #osdev ?
18:17 < aegray> no good call
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18:20 < Dafydd> Hi, could someone give me a hand with a confusing problem when I install Ipod linux on my Ipod color?
18:20 < aegray> ask the question/describe the problem.
18:22 < Dafydd> I install Ipod linux using the option of resizeing the data partiion instead of the firmware partition. It works great but after disconnecting the Ipod and reconnecting it, windows reports the data partition is corrpted, Itunes can't save it's data, and it forces me to run chkdsk, which after doing that, Ipod linux no longer works anymore
18:23 < aegray> I would guess the installer messed up the creation of the data filesystem
18:23 < aegray> does the ipod work in apple mode immediately after install?
18:23 < aegray> or just ipodlinux mode
18:23 < Dafydd> what do you suggest? I tried restoreing the Ipod and installing Ipod linux three times
18:24 < Dafydd> both modes work right right after the install
18:24 < aegray> not sure. Use a different installer?
18:24 < aegray> hehe
18:24 * aegray can help with linux - not with installers
18:24 < Dafydd> however once connected to the computer, the data partions is messed up. When Windows runs chkdsk, the Ipod linux partition then gets messed up
18:25 < Dafydd> On top of that, I can't seem to get the bootloader to boot rockbox even though I have the config file for it point to where the rockbox fimware file is
18:25 < aegray> is it in the loader list?
18:26 < Dafydd> yes, when I make the config file. Without the config file it isn't
18:26 < aegray> and when you try to boot it it just locks up flat out?
18:26 < aegray> (rockbox)
18:26 < Dafydd> it simply says it can't find the binary
18:27 < Dafydd> cannot find (hd0,1) /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod
18:27 < aegray> I'm guessing the installer is fskcing up your data partition
18:27 < aegray> (are you sure the file is there on the fat32 partition?)
18:28 < Dafydd> yes
18:28 < aegray> is this the official ipl installer?
18:28 < Dafydd> I put rockbox there, I make sure the config file points to the right partition
18:28 < Dafydd> yes
18:28 < Dafydd> Ipodlinux windows installer
18:28 < aegray> i dunno. somethings messed with the filesystem
18:28 * aegray doesn't know the installer well
18:29 < Dafydd> I'd partition the Ipod manually if I had to; but I think the Ipodlinux installer would still try to make it's own partition
18:30 < aegray> it will
18:31 < Dafydd> humm.. any suggestions?
18:32 * aegray would use linux to partition it and install
18:32 < aegray> I can't really help you with any installer
18:32 < Dafydd> is Cygwin able to do that?
18:33 < aegray> i don't think so but I may be wrong
18:33 < aegray> what's the other option than resizing the data partition?
18:33 < Dafydd> resize the fimware partition
18:33 < aegray> have you tried that one?
18:33 < Dafydd> but then I'll only get I think 45MB and nuter space ment for the Apple firmware
18:39 < Dafydd> trying this again...
18:45 < Dafydd> okay.. so far it's behaveing
18:49 < Dafydd> I made the config file, again it says it can't find (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod but it is there
18:50 < Dafydd> when logging out of Ipod linux it does say it can't write to dev when shutting down
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18:58 < Dafydd> the hard drive issue at the moment seems okay; but it still can't find rockbox even though I specified exactly where it is
18:58 < Dafydd> # iPodLoader 2.3 config file
18:58 < Dafydd> backlight = 1
18:58 < Dafydd> timeout = 10
18:58 < Dafydd> default = 1
18:58 < Dafydd> # here come the menu choices:
18:58 < Dafydd> Apple @ ramimg
18:58 < Dafydd> iPodLinux @ (hd0,2)/linux.bin
18:58 < Dafydd> Rockbox @ (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod
18:58 < Dafydd> Sleep @ standby
18:58 < Dafydd> Disk Mode @ diskmod
19:00 < DerPapst> let me guess.. loader verion 2.4?
19:00 < Dafydd> I'll check
19:01 < Dafydd> yup, 2.4
19:01 < DerPapst> that's your problem
19:01 < DerPapst> use the latest version
19:01 < DerPapst> 2.5
19:01 < DerPapst> svn rev 1427
19:01 < Dafydd> 2.4 had problems with rockbox? where do I get 2.5?
19:01 < DerPapst> on the download page?
19:02 < DerPapst> 2.4 has no problems with older build of rockbox
19:02 < Dafydd> http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/ipodloader2/ ?
19:02 < DerPapst> but the current builds won't work anymore
19:02 < DerPapst> erither you build it from source or you use the pre built one
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19:03 < Dafydd> trying to find the pre-built one
19:03 < DerPapst> you're on windows?
19:03 < Dafydd> yes
19:03 < DerPapst> wait a sec
19:03 < DerPapst> http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/iPL/Loader/ipodpatcher/win32/ipodpatcher.exe
19:04 < Dafydd> thanks
19:04 < DerPapst> download and double click that
19:04 < DerPapst> when it asks you to install simply type i
19:04 < DerPapst> should work :D
19:04 < Dafydd> just run it, or should I use the ipodlinux installer to remove the old boot loader?
19:04 < DerPapst> no
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19:05 < DerPapst> you can update it
19:05 < Dafydd> okay
19:05 < DQ> Hello, when will the ipodlinux mac version be updated?
19:06 < DerPapst> ummm...
19:06 < DerPapst> ask the one who made it?
19:07 < Dafydd> bingo, works. Thanks!
19:07 < DerPapst> btw... the manual installation is fairly easy on macs
19:07 < DerPapst> Dafydd: np
19:08 < Dafydd> when I log out it still says "can't write log on /dev/" is that okay? o.O
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19:11 < DerPapst> ye
19:11 < DerPapst> s
19:11 < Dafydd> okay then. Thinks like that make me cringe woundering if there's a bug still
19:11 < Dafydd> things*
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19:22 < DerPapst> i think it's a bug. but it's a non fatal one :)
19:33 < Dafydd> well it looks like it all works now, no sound in either Ipod Linux or Rockbox, but likely because I don't have anything for it to use sound with yet. I'll come back if I can't get sound to work or whatnot. Thanks guys
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