--- Log opened Mon Mar 12 00:00:06 2007 00:02 < DerPapst> good night at all 00:02 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@p54BD204E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!"] 00:03 -!- Colt^onLinux [n=kevinb@ip68-107-19-179.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:12 -!- vertz [n=vertz@112.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:14 < AriX> wait what is going on 00:14 < AriX> i lost a lot of post counts 00:15 < AriX> *posts 00:15 < AriX> :P 00:15 < AriX> like 200... 00:15 < AriX> :/ 00:15 -!- Moofar^Colt [n=k@ip68-107-19-179.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:17 < AriX> wait a sec 00:17 < AriX> my posts are like gone 00:17 < AriX> lol 00:17 < AriX> like not just the post count 00:17 < AriX> its all... gone 00:17 < AriX> davidc_: What exactly did you do? 00:17 -!- xevix [n=xevix@lowerquarry-3-159.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 00:19 < AriX> davidc__: What did you do to off-topic? 00:19 < AriX> i lost a couple hundred posts 00:19 < AriX> well about 150 00:19 < davidc__> AriX: cleaned up off-topic 00:19 < AriX> i see 00:19 < AriX> deleted old topics/ 00:19 < davidc__> yup. 00:20 < AriX> well i have a lot less off-topic posts than others 00:20 < davidc__> theres no call for off-topic to be 30 pages 00:20 < davidc__> AriX: good for you. Have a medal. 00:20 < AriX> i have 1250 now, i think i lost about 150 00:20 < AriX> lol ;P 00:20 < AriX> nah more like 100 00:20 < AriX> :P 00:23 < davidc__> We would've pruned it far earlier, but the phpbb prune kept crashing it was so large 00:25 < AriX> lol wow 00:25 < AriX> is it gonna stay pruned forever 00:25 < AriX> as in are you going to keep doing this 00:26 < davidc__> AriX: depends how much crap accumulates 00:30 < AriX> lol k 00:34 -!- scorche [i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:34 -!- scorche [i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche] has joined #ipodlinux 00:41 -!- scorche [i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:41 -!- scorche [i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche] has joined #ipodlinux 00:42 -!- eggy [n=eggy@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/yorkcc.eggy] has joined #ipodlinux 00:56 -!- AriX_ [n=AriX_@c-68-80-134-139.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:56 -!- AriX [n=AriX_@c-68-80-134-139.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:23 -!- danalien [n=danalien@unaffiliated/danalien] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:31 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:41 -!- hamlin [n=hamlin@unaffiliated/chuckfromchan/bot/hamlin] has quit ["chuckfromchan"] 01:42 -!- hamlin [n=hamlin@cpe-76-188-173-202.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:45 -!- Blast_Hardcheese [n=Blast_Ha@dsl092-032-215.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:45 -!- hamlin [n=hamlin@unaffiliated/chuckfromchan/bot/hamlin] has quit [Client Quit] 01:52 -!- iPL-SVN [i=josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:52 < iPL-SVN> courtc * tools/podzilla2/core/appearance.c: small, possibly unneeded bugfix I have stagnating (#1413) 01:52 < iPL-SVN> courtc * tools/ttk/src/ (sdl.c ttk.c): reduce processor usage by waiting for events (#1414) 01:52 < iPL-SVN> courtc * tools/ttk/src/menu.c: fix stupid mistake when checking overlong menu string length (#1415) 01:52 < iPL-SVN> davidc * tools/hotdog/hotdog_ops.S: we do 4 pixels at a time, not 2 (#1416) 01:52 < iPL-SVN> fxb * tools/hotdog/ (10 files in 2 directories): Add missing hotdog_jpeg.c + lib. (#1419) 01:53 < iPL-SVN> svn up in ttk failed -1 01:53 < aegray> aaaaaaghhhhhhhhhh 01:53 < davidc__> aegray: hrm? 01:53 < aegray> i dunno 01:53 < aegray> i felt like screaming 01:53 * AriX_ is Away: Sleeping 01:53 < courtc> woo! iPL-SVN is back! 01:53 < iPL-SVN> Someone just broke the PZ2 build. 01:53 < courtc> thanks josh 01:53 < BleuLlama> YAY iPL-SVN! 01:54 -!- hamlin [n=hamlin@208.64.37.45] has joined #ipodlinux 02:09 -!- vertz [n=vertz@112.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:10 -!- fxb [n=felixbru@p548FE537.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 02:11 -!- Moofar^Colt [n=k@ip68-107-19-179.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:12 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:16 -!- Moofar^Colt [n=k@ip68-107-19-179.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:47 -!- Jtank99 [n=Jtank99@pool-71-103-215-88.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:48 < Jtank99> so the only way to get the newest podzilla is to build it myself from the source? 03:06 < Jtank99> ok 03:06 < Jtank99> i got the latest 1 03:06 < Jtank99> but its lagging like crazy 03:08 < Jtank99> anyone? 03:14 -!- davidc__ [n=davidc__@c-24-8-151-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:14 -!- davidc__ [n=davidc__@c-24-8-151-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:14 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 03:15 < Jtank99> this is crap 03:15 < Jtank99> its so slow 03:17 < Jtank99> can anyone help? 03:19 < Jtank99> o man 03:19 < Jtank99> fixed it 03:22 -!- Jtank99 [n=Jtank99@pool-71-103-215-88.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:57 -!- Drumr [n=Drumrboy@ool-44c2019c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:57 < Drumr> hey, can anyone help me concerning itunes in here? 03:58 < Drumr> im trying now to delete all the songs that are in a certain playlist permenatly 03:58 < Drumr> any suggestions? 04:05 < hachi> this channel is not an iTunes help channel... it doesn't even deal with iTunes at all 04:06 -!- aegray [n=aegray@74-139-219-59.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 04:07 -!- JerryLange [n=JerryLan@ppp462.hk.centurytel.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:08 -!- aegray [n=aegray@74-139-219-59.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:13 < BleuLlama> aegray. long time no see 04:14 < aegray> hey BleuLlama 04:19 < Drumr> ok, i understand 04:20 < Drumr> ugh, this is so annoying cause im trying to migrate completely to rockbox so yea.. w/e 04:20 -!- Drumr [n=Drumrboy@ool-44c2019c.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 04:26 < BleuLlama> whatever backatcha! :D 04:26 < BleuLlama> migrating to rockbox... needs help with iTunes... asks a question in #ipodlinux then gets frustrated with lack of answer? 04:26 < BleuLlama> people fascinate me 04:29 < JerryLange> how long ago did he ask his question? on my screen ( i just loged in ) i didnt see him ask a question 04:29 < BleuLlama> 10 mins before you entered 05:11 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:27 -!- Deathg0d [n=ichig0@adsl-153-57-78.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:02 -!- Krutify [n=crutify@ppp-70-243-167-41.dsl.snantx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:21 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@p54BD204E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ipodlinux 06:22 -!- Krutify [n=crutify@ppp-70-243-167-41.dsl.snantx.swbell.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 06:22 < DerPapst> first spam in the all new off-topic section: http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23606 06:22 -!- corevette_ [n=corevett@75.35.75.132] has joined #ipodlinux 06:22 < corevette_> anyone here? 06:23 * DerPapst is reading all those "wtf" and post count discussions and is quiet enjoyed. 06:23 < DerPapst> no sorry, we're all dead 06:24 < corevette_> does the mpd currently work on the 5 gen? 06:31 < DerPapst> yes 06:31 < DerPapst> it works on all iPods that can run iPL 06:34 < corevette_> derpapst would it be better with the module? 06:43 < DerPapst> yes. alot better 06:43 < DerPapst> and it would be even more better with a recent pz2 build. 06:44 < DerPapst> pozilla-1416 06:44 < DerPapst> *podzilla2-* 06:52 < corevette_> derpapst, i put the mpd module in /usr/lib....now what 06:58 < DerPapst> same with the latest mpdc module 06:58 < corevette_> the latest? 06:58 < corevette_> then what 06:58 < DerPapst> leave your rc file unchanged and reboot your ipod 06:58 < corevette_> please derpapst, i just want to finish this then got o bed 06:59 < DerPapst> it should work then 06:59 < corevette_> how do i get music 06:59 < DerPapst> if not delete some modules you don't need to have more free ram available 06:59 < corevette_> where do i put it 06:59 < DerPapst> you can use itunes to transfer music to your ipod 06:59 < corevette_> where do i put music 07:00 < corevette_> to ipodlinux 07:00 < corevette_> or apple firmware 07:00 < DerPapst> mpd serches in fat32 (iPod_Control/Music 07:00 < DerPapst> in applefirmware 07:00 < corevette_> where do you play music 07:00 < DerPapst> you transfer the songs 07:01 < DerPapst> if you have mpd installed and everything works like it should you have a music option in the main menu 07:01 < corevette_> i don't have a music menu 07:01 < corevette_> or any music 07:01 < DerPapst> did you get nay errormessage? 07:01 < DerPapst> *any 07:02 < corevette_> no 07:02 < corevette_> could not connect to mpd 07:02 < corevette_> thats the only one 07:02 < DerPapst> aha 07:03 < DerPapst> thats why you don'T have the music option 07:03 < DerPapst> i'm pretty sure it could not allocate enough ram 07:03 < corevette_> well i put mpd in /usr/lib 07:03 < corevette_> how do i do it 07:03 < DerPapst> delete some modules you don't use 07:03 < DerPapst> and if you have delete libstcxx and pthreadstubs 07:05 < corevette_> i deleted those two...what else 07:05 < DerPapst> delete some more 07:05 < corevette_> any? 07:05 < DerPapst> mpd likes ram 07:05 < DerPapst> only those you don't use anyways. 07:06 -!- Deathg0d [n=ichig0@adsl-144-138-59.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:06 < DerPapst> but you can try it first if you don't want to delete more modules 07:06 < DerPapst> and if it works mpd will indey your misic first 07:06 < DerPapst> this can take a while 07:07 < DerPapst> probably 2 songs per second 07:07 < DerPapst> (me is afk 07:08 < corevette_> derpapst, it says the same thing 07:09 -!- JerryLange [n=JerryLan@ppp462.hk.centurytel.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:14 -!- corevette_ [n=corevett@75.35.75.132] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:49 -!- Ainslee [n=chatzill@serenity.ainsleehooper.com] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]"] 07:52 -!- amiconn_ [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has joined #ipodlinux 07:52 -!- amiconn [n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 07:52 -!- amiconn_ is now known as amiconn 08:27 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@p54BD204E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 08:39 -!- leachbj [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 08:40 -!- leachbj [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has joined #ipodlinux 08:40 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 08:43 -!- Bi-noix [n=ArnaudNy@86.66.187.234] has joined #ipodlinux 08:44 -!- Bi-noix [n=ArnaudNy@86.66.187.234] has quit [Client Quit] 08:46 -!- Bi-noix [n=ArnaudNy@86.66.187.234] has joined #ipodlinux 09:53 -!- Tom-Turbo [n=tom@catv-139-168.tbwil.ch] has joined #ipodlinux 11:02 -!- xevix [n=xevix@lowerquarry-3-159.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit ["OOOOoo what does THIS button do!?"] 11:43 -!- rager [n=Administ@72.54.14.130] has joined #ipodlinux 11:55 -!- Tom-Turbo [n=tom@catv-139-168.tbwil.ch] has quit ["OUCH!!!"] 12:30 -!- snecklifter [n=chris@britonengdevt.demon.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 12:32 < snecklifter> hi folks, quick one, loader doesn't offer ipodlinux option on 5.5G, anything simple im missing? 12:32 < snecklifter> i have checked linux.bin is in root partition on ext3 12:33 < snecklifter> also installed following instructions on wiki with ipopatcher 12:33 < snecklifter> I am installing using Linux 12:34 < snecklifter> It does say no valid superblock on boot before boot screen comes up but boots into AppleOS fine 12:50 -!- elmargol [n=elmargol@host198-61.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has left #ipodlinux ["Ex-Chat"] 13:20 -!- DataGhostTrain [n=king@62.140.137.30] has joined #ipodlinux 13:20 < DataGhostTrain> hm he's not here 13:20 < DataGhostTrain> ah well 13:20 < DataGhostTrain> :) 13:24 < DataGhostTrain> well, I'm off again then 13:24 -!- DataGhostTrain [n=king@62.140.137.30] has quit [Client Quit] 13:24 -!- leachbj [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has quit [] 13:32 -!- HellDragon2 [i=JD@modemcable136.38-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:47 -!- leachbj [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has joined #ipodlinux 13:47 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 13:58 -!- leachbj_ [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has joined #ipodlinux 14:00 -!- lex_ [i=lex@evot.us] has joined #ipodlinux 14:06 -!- leachbj [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:30 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@p54BD3A7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ipodlinux 14:39 < DataGhost> DerPapst having fun deleting the wiki? :P 14:45 -!- Bi-noix [n=ArnaudNy@86.66.187.234] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:45 -!- Bi-noix [n=ArnaudNy@86.66.187.234] has joined #ipodlinux 14:47 < snecklifter> DataGhost: my 30GB 5.5 is not offering ipodlinux as boot option, can you help? 14:48 < DataGhost> depends on what you did 14:48 < snecklifter> i followed the tutorial step by step 14:48 < DataGhost> no valid superblock usually means that either your partition(s) is/are invalid or that you're using the wrong bootloader 14:48 < snecklifter> im using the svn loader2 as the wiki tut indicates 14:49 < snecklifter> I have re-formatted the fat partition a few times and still nothing 14:50 < DataGhost> http://dataghost.com/ipl/loader-elmargol.bin 14:50 < DataGhost> install that loader and take some pictures 14:50 < snecklifter> okay, thanks 14:51 < DataGhost> and make sure they are readable 14:51 < DataGhost> not blurred as if someone pissed over them 14:51 < snecklifter> :) 14:51 < snecklifter> okay 14:53 < DerPapst> Hey DataGhost :) 14:53 < DataGhost> hi 14:53 < DerPapst> ya it's pretty fun :P 14:54 * DerPapst wonders who DataGhostTrain may have searched... 14:54 < DataGhost> you 14:54 < BleuLlama> DerPapst: are you the mystery locker? 14:54 < DerPapst> i guessed that 14:54 < BleuLlama> :o 14:54 < DataGhost> you were deleting the wiki back then too :P 14:54 < DerPapst> BleuLlama: no.. i'mk not a mod 14:54 < BleuLlama> oh. 14:54 < BleuLlama> hrm 14:55 < BleuLlama> nevermind then 14:55 < DataGhost> BleuLlama you could alter the wiki stuff 14:55 < DataGhost> function delete_wikipage() { 14:55 < BleuLlama> i love how everyone is like "waaah! my post count went down by 3000 posts!" .. that says a lot about their posting habits. 14:56 < DataGhost> $query = $query . "UPDATE forum SET locked=1 WHERE rand() < 0.5" 14:56 < DataGhost> eh 14:56 < DataGhost> wells omething like that 14:56 < DerPapst> the last page... and that was only about pictures... http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&from=Tick.png&namespace=6 14:56 < BleuLlama> number of posts on the forums is not a good indicator of anything, other than "amount of noise this person can produce" 14:56 < BleuLlama> DataGhost: heh 14:58 < DerPapst> Hehe... i watched that discussions.. they are pretty fun :) (21:51 < DerPapst> even cooler: conorkirk lost 1149 posts) 14:59 < DataGhost> lol 1149? 14:59 < BleuLlama> heh 15:00 < BleuLlama> i still think that we should make off-topic posts count as -10 posts each 15:00 < snecklifter> DataGhost: My camera is unfortunately only producing pissy photos, can i give you any information directly? 15:00 < DerPapst> hahah... guess whats wrong here: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Image:Triple_threat.PNG 15:01 < BleuLlama> or perhaps good posts get "dugg" or somesuch 15:01 < BleuLlama> usefulness is taken into account 15:01 < DataGhost> snecklifter eh. you'll have to type whatever you see onscreen 15:01 < DataGhost> :P 15:01 < DataGhost> into http://pastebin.ca or something 15:01 < BleuLlama> DerPapst: ? 15:01 < snecklifter> thought so 15:01 < snecklifter> okay 15:01 < DataGhost> the bit with the enourmous amount of text and the load of characters on the right 15:01 < DataGhost> you may omit the right colomn of characters 15:02 < DataGhost> I can produce it from the left column 15:02 < DerPapst> snecklifter: do you can ajust the focus manully? or maybe you have a flower icon on your camera somewhere. if so press that. 15:02 < DataGhost> I was about to type that 15:02 < DataGhost> :P 15:02 < DataGhost> but I really don't get how you can stuff 1149 posts in the offtopic section 15:02 < DataGhost> on the gathering of tweakers forum... I have 15:02 < DerPapst> BleuLlama: The picture is called Triple Thread but it's a screenie of BleuLlauncher 15:03 < DataGhost> 1849 posts over 597 topics 15:03 < DataGhost> of which 579 topics are outside the offtopic-forum 15:03 < BleuLlama> yeah. BleuLlauncher was one of the "three" parts of Triple THreat 15:03 < DerPapst> oh 15:03 < DataGhost> (which requires that you have contributed at least 50 USEFUL techposts AND you need to apply for it in order to gain access) 15:03 < DerPapst> meh... nvm then ;) 15:04 < BleuLlama> ;) 15:04 < DataGhost> so snecklifter as long as the characters are reasonably distinguishable, it's ok 15:05 < snecklifter> DataGhost: okay thanks, so far the right hand side says something like mkdosfs ... FAT32 ... This is not a bootable disk 15:06 < snecklifter> but you probably need more than that to go on right? 15:06 < DataGhost> hm 15:06 < DataGhost> the first few characters in the left column? 15:06 < snecklifter> yeah 15:06 < snecklifter> oh 15:06 < DataGhost> or the first line or whatev 15:06 < snecklifter> they are eb58906d6b6 15:07 < DataGhost> eh. yah that looks normal 15:07 < DataGhost> on the screen where it says 'reboot' 15:07 < snecklifter> cool 15:07 < DataGhost> do you see aa55 in the left column? 15:07 < DataGhost> or 55aa 15:07 < DataGhost> I don't remember which 15:09 < DataGhost> snecklifter? 15:09 < snecklifter> once sec 15:09 < snecklifter> rebooting 15:10 < snecklifter> is that the first screen? 15:16 -!- leachbj_ [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has quit [] 15:17 < snecklifter> DataGhost: there is no aa55 or 55aa on the reboot screen 15:17 < DataGhost> no it's not the first screen 15:17 < snecklifter> sorry ignore that 15:17 < snecklifter> im an idiot 15:17 < DataGhost> the third or fourth with the loads of characters 15:17 < DataGhost> heh. DAMN RIGHT! >:) 15:17 < DataGhost> so. is it there? 15:17 < snecklifter> yes, there is on the fourth 15:17 < snecklifter> 55aa 15:17 < snecklifter> :D 15:17 < DataGhost> ok. 15:17 < DataGhost> then it should read that 15:18 < DataGhost> let me look in my logs because elmargol had the same problem 15:18 < DataGhost> and I think he fixed it 15:18 < DataGhost> I just don't remember 15:18 < snecklifter> okay, thanks 15:18 < DataGhost> it'll take a bit because ntfs is extremely slow with folders that have about 20000 text files in them 15:19 < snecklifter> haha, yes, i know, I'm on the NTFS on linux project team 15:20 < DerPapst> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Image:Yomama.zip <-- wtf?! 15:20 < snecklifter> google desktop/beagle are wonderful things though 15:20 < DataGhost> eh. I think he restored his iPod and got a I/O buffer error from his PC 15:21 < DataGhost> after that I don't see anything anymore 15:21 < DataGhost> so I don't know... heh. 15:21 * DerPapst shakes his head... 15:21 < DerPapst> why are people uploading such crap? 15:23 < BleuLlama> it's what people do 15:26 < snecklifter> DataGhost: The loader tells me it cant find the kernel which is odd as its located on the correct partition 15:27 < DataGhost> ah 15:27 < DataGhost> just that it can't find the kernel? 15:27 < DataGhost> paste your partitiontable (from fdisk) and loader configfile into http://pastebin.ca 15:27 < snecklifter> yeah, i scrolled down after all the hex and it outputted lots of that very quickly 15:27 < DataGhost> oh 15:27 < snecklifter> searching in all the locations it should be in 15:27 < DataGhost> that 15:27 < DataGhost> yeah but if it can't find a valid fat superblock it can't read the partition 15:27 < DataGhost> so it won't find anything either 15:28 < DataGhost> but it's still odd that it can't find the superblock because it's looking at it 15:28 < DataGhost> that thing you saw dumped to the screen 15:28 < snecklifter> yes 15:28 < DataGhost> is a fat superblock, it's valid (55aa/aa55) 15:28 < snecklifter> yup and linux mounts and reads it fine 15:29 < BleuLlama> holy crap, DerPapst. 15:29 < BleuLlama> DerPapst is cleaning house 15:32 < snecklifter> DataGhost: If the kernel sits in the ext3, does it matter if the FAT partition cant be read? 15:41 < DerPapst> BleuLlama: ;) 15:42 < DerPapst> spring cleaning :D 15:45 < DerPapst> i think the server is much more happier now with the little more cleaner wiki and the very clean off-topic section. 15:46 < DerPapst> the good thing is nobody yells at me. unlike davidc__ with those "ftw happend to my XXXX posts counts" 15:46 < DerPapst> + posts 15:52 < BleuLlama> i should tell them to yell at me too if they're going to yell at davidc. 15:53 < BleuLlama> i've been wanting off-topic pruning for a very long time now 15:53 < BleuLlama> imo, off-topic should get rid of everything > 1 week old 15:54 -!- Bi-noix [n=ArnaudNy@86.66.187.234] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:55 -!- Bi-noix [n=ArnaudNy@86.66.187.234] has joined #ipodlinux 15:57 -!- leachbj [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has joined #ipodlinux 15:57 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 16:16 < snecklifter> DataGhost: restored ipod and used windows installer this time, now working :) 16:29 -!- bmxr [n=BlueScre@d64-180-20-129.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:31 -!- snecklifter [n=chris@britonengdevt.demon.co.uk] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 16:34 -!- iLauncher [i=yohu123@59.183.4.178] has joined #ipodlinux 16:34 < iLauncher> AriX_: you there? 16:37 < iLauncher> Moofar^Colt: hi 16:42 -!- piratepenguin [n=declan@213-202-186-85.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:43 < iLauncher> anyone with a 1g, 2g or 4g ipod that can test ilaunch 1.3 for me? 16:45 -!- bmxr 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closed the connection] 20:19 < IamTux> I had a thought about the 2nd G nano and the problem with the encrypted firmware 20:19 < IamTux> anyone wanna speculate wit me 20:20 < BleuLlama> start talking if you like; people are in and out of here. 20:20 < IamTux> nods 20:20 < IamTux> so I have had a chance to look at several 2nd Gen Nanos I own one also 20:21 < IamTux> they the firmware all shares some common characteristics when you look at them in a hex dump 20:21 < BleuLlama> you may also later want to talk with scox_vincent. he's heding up one of the 2g efforts 20:21 < IamTux> cool 20:22 < IamTux> taking a DD image of the device under linux and then using like hexer to look at the firmware I have seen replications of the data paterns found in the versioning of the hardware 20:22 < IamTux> if you start the ipod in diag mode 20:25 < IamTux> if it would be helpful I could upload/email the firmware from my ipod so it can be compared with other firmwares from other versions and that could possibly lead to the discovery of the common link 20:26 < HardDisk_WP> kool 20:26 < BleuLlama> that's not particularly legal 20:26 < BleuLlama> you're not allowed to redistribute apple iPod firmwares. 20:27 < BleuLlama> otherwise, we'd have an archive of all of the versions. 20:27 < HardDisk_WP> illegal is also legal, hehe 20:27 < IamTux> I didnt realize that would be considered "re distributing" 20:27 < BleuLlama> HardDisk_WP: i'm going to be completely honest here; if you discuss illegal activities in here, you will be permanently kickbanned. 20:27 < IamTux> I would more consider it sending you a "backup copy" of my device incase it was destroyed *wink* 20:27 < HardDisk_WP> ok 20:27 < IamTux> ok 20:28 < BleuLlama> IamTux: feel free to copy it to your own drive, and compare it with other ipod firmwares on your system 20:28 < IamTux> nods 20:28 < BleuLlama> just don't redistribute them to others, or talk about that activity in here 20:28 < BleuLlama> end of that discussion. 20:28 < IamTux> ok 20:28 < BleuLlama> sorry to be a hard-ass about this. 20:28 < IamTux> no I understand 20:29 < HardDisk_WP> BleuLlama, just one last question...does Apple say anything about ipodpatcher? I mean, ipp modifies the firmware 20:29 < BleuLlama> i understand what you want to do though. my suggestion is to find an old apple updater, and extract the firmware updates out of that. google for it. 20:29 < HardDisk_WP> and AFAIR they say modifying it is illegal...so would be ipp illegal? 20:29 < BleuLlama> HardDisk_WP: you're modifying it; you're not redistributing your modified firmware 20:30 < HardDisk_WP> ah ok 20:30 < BleuLlama> but that's not an ipodlinux tool. so you're on your own 20:30 < IamTux> and it is your device, you are allowed to break it 20:30 < BleuLlama> so, that's off-topic in here.;) 20:30 < HardDisk_WP> xD# 20:30 < HardDisk_WP> -# 20:31 < IamTux> so in hypothetical terms if a common link were derived from this endeavor who would be the best person to talk to about that 20:31 < HardDisk_WP> BleuLlama, and as it seems that you're a iPL geek...what is the diff between building the kernel with bigger RAM for the g5.5? i didnt complete understand what the issue is 20:31 < BleuLlama> HardDisk_WP: i didn;t know there was support for more ram. neat. 20:32 < BleuLlama> HardDisk_WP: 5.5g has 64mb of ram, rather than 32 20:32 < BleuLlama> my guess is that kernel adds support for that extra 32MiB 20:32 < BleuLlama> IamTux: ask scox_vincent, or someone else involved in nano2g RE. 20:32 < BleuLlama> perhaps the forums? 20:32 < IamTux> nods 20:35 -!- leachbj [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has quit [] 20:37 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:44 -!- leachbj [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has joined #ipodlinux 20:44 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 20:45 < IamTux> BleuLlama, would you consider posting a hex dump a redistribution of the firmware? 20:45 < IamTux> or sharing a hex dump 20:46 < HardDisk_WP> i think a *part* (so 64 bytes) would be legal, but surely not a full dump 20:48 < BleuLlama> do not discuss this in here 20:48 < BleuLlama> what you do on your own time, on your own webspace (not on IPL) is none of our business 20:48 < IamTux> nods 20:48 < IamTux> ok 20:50 < AriX_> harddisk_wp: BleuLlama is not an "iPL Geek", he's an iPL developer :P 20:50 < HardDisk_WP> hehe 20:54 < HardDisk_WP> ok, i move2the bed 20:54 < IamTux> is there a 2Gnano channel ? 20:55 < AriX_> no... 20:55 -!- kRiMe [n=ichig0@adsl-144-74-237.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:57 < IamTux> I have tried talking to scox_vincent and he is !keys right now... anyone else here involved in the 2Gnano project? 20:58 < BleuLlama> dude. give it time. 20:58 < BleuLlama> he's not in right now, he'll be around later 20:58 < BleuLlama> that's how a lot of people are with this project 20:58 < BleuLlama> in and out, due to work, classes, etc. 20:58 < IamTux> nods 20:58 < IamTux> I am at work right now 21:02 -!- HellDragon2 [i=JD@modemcable136.38-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 21:05 < IamTux> has anyone done a full DD backup of the ipod and after they broke it wrote the backup back? do we know it it works... in theory it should 21:11 -!- d3m0dick [n=ichig0@adsl-153-14-250.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:12 -!- rager [n=Administ@64.125.162.126] has joined #ipodlinux 21:14 < DerPapst> IamTux: that works for all other ipods. i don't see why it shouldn't work that way for the 2g nano 21:15 < DerPapst> i don't think they calculate a new key for every firmware update 21:20 -!- eggy [n=eggy@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/yorkcc.eggy] has quit [""] 21:22 -!- BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-67-64-104-30.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #iPodLinux 21:27 -!- IamTux [n=kman@68-185-9-19.static.mdfd.or.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:29 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.211.159] has quit [] 21:30 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:40 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@75.68.225.205] has joined #ipodlinux 21:46 -!- fxb [n=felixbru@p548FE497.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:54 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.211.159] has joined #ipodlinux 21:54 < scox_vincent> 1hour late 21:55 -!- IamTux [n=kman@68-185-9-19.static.mdfd.or.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:56 < DerPapst> scox_vincent: ^ there he is ;) 21:56 < IamTux> hello 21:56 < scox_vincent> hello 21:56 < BleuLlama> hello 21:57 < DerPapst> hello 21:57 < scox_vincent> I read that you are looking for information on the reverse of nano2G 21:57 < IamTux> yeah 21:58 < IamTux> I have some ideas about working to "decode" the firmware 21:58 < scox_vincent> which one ? 21:59 < IamTux> well from what i understand the firmware on the 2Gnano is encrypted, and that is why we dont know more about how to interface with it 22:00 < DerPapst> meh... i think i'm done with messing around with the wiki... for today ;) 22:00 < IamTux> well if there is encryption there has to be somewhere in the machine that will decrypt the firmware so that it can be read 22:00 < scox_vincent> of course ;) 22:01 < scox_vincent> but the decrypt is done by the bootloader and we don't have acces on it 22:02 < scox_vincent> to obtain clear code we need to find a way to dump the ram 22:02 < IamTux> copy 22:02 < scox_vincent> ? 22:02 < IamTux> as in I understand 22:03 < scox_vincent> what do you mean ? 22:03 < IamTux> and has examining of the raw data in the firmware yielded any leads? 22:04 < IamTux> jas on the phone 22:05 < DerPapst> BleuLlama: i have a question about http://www.ipodlinux.org/Lights Could the content (excluding the broken images) moved to the corresponding Special:Module page? And then either delete the Lights page or make a redirect to the special page 22:05 < BleuLlama> yep. it probably should. 22:05 < DerPapst> ok. 22:05 < BleuLlama> i have a few modules on there like that 22:05 < BleuLlama> as you go through, make a todo list for me. 22:05 -!- leachbj [n=leachbj@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/leachbj] has quit [] 22:05 < BleuLlama> throw it in my user Talk page 22:05 < DerPapst> should i do that or do you want to do that 22:05 < DerPapst> ok 22:05 < BleuLlama> if you would be so kind 22:05 < DerPapst> then you can do it :) 22:05 < DerPapst> ok 22:06 < DerPapst> then i'll do that :D 22:06 < BleuLlama> i'll move the content, and mark them for deletion 22:06 < DerPapst> ok :) 22:06 < BleuLlama> :) 22:09 < IamTux> ok back 22:10 < scox_vincent> so can you explain what you have in mind ? 22:10 < IamTux> is the boot loader contained in a seperate nvram on the device not part of the upgradable firmware 22:11 < scox_vincent> yes but we don't know exactly where it lives 22:11 < IamTux> well mac liked to use bit offsets to configure where the bootloader lives in its partitions 22:11 -!- d3m0dick [n=ichig0@adsl-8-179-173.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:12 < scox_vincent> when ? 22:13 < IamTux> if you examine a dump of the firmware to look for common code from several versions you could probably find a common set of code existing at common intervals 22:14 < scox_vincent> we already find a part of the structure of the firmware 22:15 < scox_vincent> but the hardware change so we can suppose that the code also change 22:15 < IamTux> nods 22:16 < IamTux> I am working with a HwVr: 00100007 22:16 < scox_vincent> I am sorry but I am not english so I don't understand some expressions 22:17 < IamTux> no worries 22:17 -!- kRiMe [n=ichig0@adsl-144-74-237.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:18 < IamTux> mac os x is BSD based 22:18 < IamTux> it uses BSD style partition formatting 22:18 < IamTux> BSD sector offsets to determine where data exists 22:19 < IamTux> it would be logical that they would use the same technology in the newer devices 22:19 < BleuLlama> ipod isn't BSD based 22:19 < IamTux> looking in the firmware using a hex editor there is lots of free space 22:20 < IamTux> these free spaces "written all 0" lead me to believe that they are offsets 22:21 < IamTux> they offsets are common, the repeat an common intervals 22:21 < scox_vincent> but we have no more data than a $dd if=/dev/sda 22:21 < IamTux> nods 22:22 < scox_vincent> and we cans access directly to memory 22:22 < IamTux> d0s12? approx is where darwin boots its bootloader from 22:22 < scox_vincent> we need a broken ipod to exctract flash 22:23 < scox_vincent> , ram, ... 22:23 < IamTux> so a good place to start would be the code that exists at 6144 bytes 22:24 < IamTux> just a thought 22:24 < scox_vincent> where ? 22:24 < IamTux> that is a 512byte sector 12th sector 22:24 < IamTux> for 6144 byte 22:24 < IamTux> that is where darwin stores it boot information 22:25 < IamTux> let me check the dump and see what is around that area 22:25 < scox_vincent> ok 22:25 < DerPapst> BleuLlama: done 22:28 -!- aegray [n=aegray@74-139-219-59.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:30 < DerPapst> the ipods bootloader lives in a small flash rom chip on the mobo. To get its content you have to rip it up and dump the bootloader directly from the chip. i don't think you can inject some code to the ipod to dump it with software. 22:30 -!- James_ [n=James@user-5447879c.wfd82b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 22:30 -!- James_ [n=James@user-5447879c.wfd82b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 22:31 -!- EvilJay [n=James@user-5447879c.wfd82b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 22:31 < EvilJay> hi guys 22:32 < scox_vincent> DerPapst: we are thinking about all solution 22:32 < IamTux> I agree DerPapst about the dump 22:32 < IamTux> but we need to go back to basics, what does the boot loader do, to loads the kernel, so that the kernel can take control 22:33 < IamTux> so you have to find where the boot loader loads the kernel from and give it an option to load something else 22:36 < IamTux> darwin uses a lilo/grub like bootloader, which is completely transparent to the people while booting the mac 22:36 < scox_vincent> we already know how the bootloader chose the firmware 22:37 < scox_vincent> it reads different header to find osos 22:38 < IamTux> do you know where the "diagnostics" image loads from ? 22:38 < scox_vincent> we are now looking for the option give to the bootloader : key, length, checksum, ... 22:38 < IamTux> or maybe the disk only mode 22:38 < scox_vincent> I think it's the bootloader 22:38 < scox_vincent> as your bios 22:39 < scox_vincent> It alloow to check some part of your hardware 22:40 < scox_vincent> I have to leave 22:40 < IamTux> ok 22:40 < DerPapst> Discmode and diagnostig mode are stored on the flash rom aswell 22:41 < scox_vincent> but if you find something interesting contact me on linux4nano.org 22:41 < IamTux> is there somewhere that i can gain access to some of this information as to where stuff is located 22:41 < IamTux> because i would like to try to break my ipod*nod me* 22:42 < scox_vincent> you will find on the website all collected information 22:42 < DerPapst> the apple bootloader checks some stuff (hw and checksums) and then it jumps to a certain point of the firmware partition and starts decypting the firmware and soring it onto the ram 22:42 < DerPapst> *storing 22:43 < scox_vincent> hw ? 22:43 < IamTux> nods that certain part of the firmware is where we I was talking about trying to find 22:43 < IamTux> hardware 22:44 < DerPapst> iamTux: start here: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Nano2g scox_vincent's project is linked there too. 22:44 < IamTux> thanks 22:44 < scox_vincent> bye 22:44 < IamTux> ok scox_vincent have a good one man 22:44 < DerPapst> bye 22:54 -!- Jtank99 [n=Jtank99@pool-71-103-215-88.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:56 < Jtank99> does anyone know why iBoy doesnt have sound? 22:56 < Jtank99> ive got oss enabled 22:59 < DerPapst> do you use the official kernel? 23:00 < Jtank99> yeah 23:01 < DerPapst> i think iBoy needs a special kernel for making noises... but afaik that kernel is not available for 5.5G iPods. 23:01 < Jtank99> aww 23:01 < Jtank99> dang 23:02 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@91.108.211.159] has quit [] 23:03 -!- EvilJay [n=James@user-5447879c.wfd82b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:04 < Jtank99> o well 23:04 < Jtank99> ok thx anyway 23:04 -!- Jtank99 [n=Jtank99@pool-71-103-215-88.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 23:04 < DerPapst> np 23:24 < IamTux> DerPapst you said earlier that the diag mode is stored in the nvram with the bootloader? 23:24 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:27 < IamTux> if this is so the sum of the firmware is computed in a short period of time... and the sum is a ver short length, so I would expect that it is of a certain location on the firmware 23:27 < IamTux> I would be interested in seing what a computed sum of a chunk of code that is different then the "stock" firmware would display 23:28 < IamTux> and, if by way of offsets compute the correct sum from that small location 23:29 < IamTux> then in essence we could use a chainloader +bytes to skip the part of the loader that remains for the sum to compute and then run the code for the boot sequence 23:31 -!- aegray_ [n=aegray@74-139-219-59.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:32 < DerPapst> nope. won't work. The thing is that the apple bootloader will decrypt everything that it is loading. So even not encrypted code gets decrypted which results in foobar even if all the checksums are fine. 23:34 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:35 < IamTux> copy 23:35 < IamTux> so once again back to the need for the encryption string so we can encrypt the firmware 23:36 < IamTux> smoke and mirrors 23:37 < IamTux> we know that there are 2 partitions on the device, and the second partition is where the "data" is stored 23:37 < DerPapst> yepp 23:37 -!- aegray__ [n=aegray@74-139-219-59.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:37 < IamTux> giving us the first 100meg partition where the firmware is stored 23:38 < IamTux> have you done an MD5 hash of firmware's on 2 different running ipods to see if they are the same ? 23:39 < DerPapst> nope. but i'm pretty sure they are (excluding the hibe image if there is any) 23:39 < IamTux> these are the "partitions" that are able to be seen using a standard DOS partition table... has anyone looked at the disk using a BSD box... or wrote the device out to a virtual disk and told vmware to boot it? see what happens 23:40 < DerPapst> *they are the same 23:40 < DerPapst> it can't be booted 23:40 < DerPapst> it's a raw format 23:41 < DerPapst> s/booted/mounted 23:41 < IamTux> nods 23:41 < DerPapst> and it can't be booted be cause it's for arm not ppc or x68 23:41 < DerPapst> *x86 23:41 < IamTux> nod 23:41 < IamTux> I have several arm devices 23:42 < DerPapst> but i bet only one dual core 23:42 < IamTux> *chucke* 23:42 < IamTux> yeah that is true 23:42 < DerPapst> also a lot of registers might be different 23:42 < DerPapst> and your other arm devices can't decrypt the firmware 23:43 < IamTux> do you mud DerPapst 23:43 * DerPapst doesn't know what mud means 23:43 -!- aegray_ [n=aegray@74-139-219-59.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:44 < IamTux> MUDs are a Multi User Dungeon, it is a text based online roll playing game, first one came outa UC Berkley in the early 60s 23:44 < DerPapst> heh no.. 23:44 < DerPapst> i don't play any online games. ;) 23:45 < IamTux> I though all techy geeks Mudded :P 23:45 < DerPapst> lack of time 23:45 < IamTux> I hear you there 23:45 < DerPapst> the only cames i play more often are on my ipod :P 23:45 < IamTux> nice, so how is your pokemon yellow in iboy doing :P 23:46 < DerPapst> i don't own that rom.. so... quiet nice i think :D 23:47 < IamTux> hah 23:48 < IamTux> I want to see an original nes emu for the ipod so I can play ultima quest of the avatar 23:48 < DerPapst> hmm.. there are 2 nes emus floating around.. but i don't know how good they are. 23:50 * DerPapst is writing a shell script on the ipod... 23:51 < Soap> Ultima III was better than Ultima IV IMHO. 23:52 -!- piratepenguin [n=declan@213-202-186-85.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:52 < Soap> In Ultima III (admitidly a simpler game) you could build "roads" with the chests of your kills, and create a whole highway system linking all the cities, moongates, dungeons, and shrines. 23:53 < Soap> (sorry for the off topic) 23:55 -!- IamTux [n=kman@68-185-9-19.static.mdfd.or.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Log closed Tue Mar 13 00:00:00 2007