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00:25 < JavaMan> derpapst how come fdisk doesnt work on my computer?
00:25 < JavaMan> i think it might be because my paths are screwed up :/
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01:35 < Rhoruns> hey guys
01:35 < BleuLlama> who are you calling a guy?
01:35 < Rhoruns> im sorry.. :(  
01:35 < Rhoruns> *ladies and gentleman :)
01:37 < Rhoruns> i'll probably get kicked/banned for asking this, but is it possible to revert back to an earlier firmware on my black 4gb nano?  the newest firmware apparently does not work when installing ipodlinux
01:39 < Rhoruns> i'll take that as a no :)
01:42 < BleuLlama> my nano is the latest version, and i installed ipl fine on it.
01:42 < Rhoruns> oh ok
01:43 < Rhoruns> do i want to use the installer2? or nanoipl.exe?
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01:44 < Rhoruns> when i tried using installer 2 the first time, it worked just fine up until after it backup my ipod, and tried installing linux. then it just closed and had the 'program has encountered a problem' message
01:45 < Rhoruns> i then restored to factory default, and tried it again, and this time installer2 doesnt even recognize the ipod because a Invalid systnfo
01:50 < BleuLlama> i installed by hand
01:50 < BleuLlama> and when you search the forums on 'sysinfo', what does it say
01:52 < Rhoruns> yeah. nevermind. i think that's the problem. i cant use installer2 to install to ipod nanos :P
01:55 < Rhoruns> this look promising: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4505
01:55 < Rhoruns> is that the guide you use?
01:55 < Rhoruns> used*
02:00 < Rhoruns> hahaha! YES!
02:00 < Rhoruns> that was a lot easier than i thought.
02:00 < Rhoruns> thanks for all of your help guys :D
02:00 < Rhoruns> i mean, ladies and gentlemen :)
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02:04 < BleuLlama> the guide?  i just followed the instructions on the wiki
02:05 < Harpal> I came in here looking for help yesterday regarding missing music and settings and was told to install ipl as normal, install loader2 manually and then copy my applications
02:06 < Harpal> now, after connecting it to my computer, I am notified that the db/prefs in my ipods itunes folder are corrupt and unreadable
02:06 < Harpal> and my music is missing once again
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02:07 < Harpal> It was working fine today despite the fact that igamegear wasn't working at all, iboy froze upon exiting and had some issues and idoom froze upon exiting
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02:12 < wehttaMB> when i try ind run idoom from the file browser i get a 'sleeping forever' message and the ipod freeses. what is wrong
02:12 < wehttaMB> i have searched on the forums but cant find an anser
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02:31 < Harpal> I came in here looking for help yesterday regarding missing music and settings and was told to install ipl as normal, install loader2 manually and then copy my applications
02:31 < Harpal> now, after connecting it to my computer, I am notified that the db/prefs in my ipods itunes folder are corrupt and unreadable
02:31 < Harpal> and my music is missing once again
02:31 < Harpal> It was working fine today despite the fact that igamegear wasn't working at all, iboy froze upon exiting and had some issues and idoom froze upon exiting
02:34 < wehttaMB> when i try ind run idoom from the file browser i get a 'sleeping forever' message and the ipod freeses. what is wrong
02:34 < wehttaMB> i have searched on the forums but cant find an anser
02:38 < Rhoruns> dont spam. lol
02:43 < josh> 3
02:43 < josh> ^ ign.
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03:10 < Rhoruns> hmm. i cant find instructions on installing schemes and apps. can someone link me?
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03:17 < [1]AirHead> >.< Server ping me!
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03:19 < AirHead> Err, so are there any good resources? The search feature of the forums doesn't like me...
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03:54 < AirHead> Okay,  I got some stuff. New question: Is it possible to put iPL/pz2 in sleep mode?
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03:57 < cpt_murph> I'm having trouble getting this setup. Currently the linux installer is crashing with a "Disk 0: cannot read MBR" message, and the windows installer crashes after extracting the firmware when it attempts to read the partition table.
03:57 < cpt_murph> An ideas?
03:57 < cpt_murph> *any
03:57 < AirHead> What iPod?
03:57 < cpt_murph> Gen 3.
03:58 < AirHead> Mm, well iunno... I had to install it manually.
03:58 < AirHead> Anyway, if no one knows if I can sleep iPL/pz2 then I'm off...
03:59 < cpt_murph> crud, sorry, just ran across the faq.
04:00 < AirHead> lol
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04:34 < shadax> Alright, I haven't an issue with my ipod over the year or so that I've been using it on linux, windows, and mac until today, when I used some odd software--to copy over movies from windows hastily.
04:35 < shadax> Somehow my itunes database does not match the md5 checksum, and only 1 song appears in my database file when gtkpod reads it, though the ipod os itself sees all files on it.
04:36 < shadax> I fear that, if I sync with gtkpod not recognizing the other files, the apple os will not recognize those that exist.  Is this true?
04:36 < shadax> I _do_ have all of my music backed up, but it takes nearly an hour to copy it all back over, plus the movies and photos which I have recently added.
04:37 < shadax> Thus I ask, "What is the quickest way to restore my ipod database that only appears corrupt in gtkpod?"
04:42 < BleuLlama> not many people here use their ipods with a desktop machine running linux.  that's kinda outside of the scope of this channel, and is considered off-topic
04:43 < shadax> That's rather surprising; thanks.
04:43 < shadax> Take care all~
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04:54 < BleuLlama> o_O
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06:12 < jenkins> hey bluellama was it you who told me about the refurbished ipods the other day?
06:13 < calamari> refurbished ftw
06:13 < BleuLlama> maybe?  i dunno
06:13 < calamari> I dunno how I managed it.. but only 6gb left on my 30gb ipod hehe
06:14 < BleuLlama> i've got about 300mb left on my 80g
06:14 < jenkins> well i got a refurbished ipod(30 gig video) and i installed ipodlinux but the installation didnt stick
06:14 < BleuLlama> i see.
06:14 < calamari> jenkins: worked fine here
06:14 < calamari> but I did the manual install
06:15 < jenkins> i did the auto installer
06:15 < jenkins> was the manual install hard?
06:15 < calamari> no
06:15 < calamari> I was already familiar with many of the things that were being done, though.. so ymmv
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06:16 < BHSPitMonkey> BleuLlama, that's a LOT of .mod files.
06:16 < jenkins> i am not familiar at all with what is involved in that though, so i decided to try the auto installer
06:16 < BleuLlama> BHSPitMonkey: i don't have ipl on my 80
06:16 < BHSPitMonkey> meh
06:17 < BleuLlama> my mods are on my 4g and nano
06:17 < jenkins> so i am on my retry install now
06:17 < calamari> bbl
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06:18 < HellDragon> gr:)
06:18 < HellDragon> -gr
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06:20 < jenkins> is there an installer for podzilla 2?
06:29 < bmxr> http://ipodlinux.org/Installer_2
06:34 < jenkins> thanks
06:36 < bmxr> np
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06:53 < HellDragon> how do i shot web
06:57 < BHSPitMonkey> How proverbial.
06:58 < BHSPitMonkey> If you were trying to ask what I think you were trying to ask, you might want to get a hold of Spiderman for that one.  I hear he's hard to book these days, though...
07:01 < bmxr> buy that http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/24/1f/Toy_Biz_Spider_Man_Dual_Action_Web_Blaster_Toys1-resized200.jpg
07:02 < bmxr> Then you can shot web all you want
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14:31 < User41> hello
14:31 < User41> is any 1 there
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15:05 < AirHead> >.> My iPod won't go into disk mode...
15:06 < AirHead> Yay got it!
15:06  * AirHead was scared for a while there...
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15:36 < hatt_> How do you run the ipodlinux-installer-2.2lx.run.gz file?
15:36 < hatt_> I mean, how the hell do you even extract the thing?
15:37 < Fossi> man tar
15:37 < Fossi> or man gunzip/unzip/zip rather
15:38 < hatt_> Ok, that unzips a file called Installer
15:38 < hatt_> how do I run it?
15:38 < Fossi> ./Installer ?
15:38 < BleuLlama> if you can't figure out how to run the installer, ipodlinux might not be for you
15:38 < Fossi> word.
15:39 < hatt_> I'm supposed to guess at putting a period and a forward slash in front of the filename?
15:39 < Fossi> before running linux on some awkward device one should be fairly knowledgeable with it in the first place
15:39 < BleuLlama> that's like first-hour basics of using linux
15:40 < Fossi> BleuLlama: except for if you use 'KDE' or 'Linux 2.0' though
15:40 < BleuLlama> then "click over to the file, and doubleclick it"
15:40 < hatt_> cannot execute binary.  awesome.
15:41 < hatt_> i don't know how you guys don't end up throwing your computers against the wall.
15:41 < Fossi> hatt_: seriously... because we care
15:42 < Fossi> i've been running linux for about 10 years now and using it on phones and other consumer hardware can be a bitch
15:42 < BleuLlama> actually, it's because we decide to bang the rocks together, touch the monolith and learn what we're doing, and why it's happening to get an understanding of the system.
15:42 < Fossi> almost all of the drivers are made by guessing, good luck and some reverse engineering
15:42 < hatt_> i respect your guys' perceverance.  i just don't know how you don't snap
15:43 < Fossi> it's simply not supposed to work. it's magic ;)
15:43 < Fossi> hatt_: because it's cool
15:43 < Fossi> if you run into a problem, it's your own damn fault
15:43 < BleuLlama> one word:  endgame.
15:43 < Fossi> so we go and figure it out
15:43 < BleuLlama> indeed
15:43 < BleuLlama> if you know where you want to be with it, what you want to accomplish, you work towards it
15:44 < BleuLlama> otherwise, you're just sitting there, spending 8 hours trying to install only to run doom to show your friends how cool you think you are
15:44  * BleuLlama is in harsh-mode today
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15:46 < hatt_> did you guys read any books on linux to learn it or was it all trial and error?
15:47 < BleuLlama> books, classes
15:47  * BleuLlama has been using some variant of Unix since 1991
15:47 < BleuLlama> (VMS back to about 1988)
15:48 < BleuLlama> you can't really learn linux/unix by trial-and-error
15:48 < BleuLlama> you can barely use it via trial-and-error
15:49 < hatt_> yeah
15:50 < hatt_> what's supposed to happen after i run ./installer anyways?
15:50 < hatt_> shouldn't a whole bunch of files start extracting etc
15:50 < hatt_> ?
15:51 < BleuLlama> it will run the installer application
15:51 < hatt_> i had to go through so many forums just to get ubuntu to recognize that i had an ipod
15:51 < hatt_> and now this
15:52 < hatt_> there's like a billion reasons that it would say it can't execute the binary file, right?
15:53 < BleuLlama> probbaly a few thousand
15:54 < hatt_> does it have to be in a certain folder?
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15:56 < DerPapst> good morining
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15:59 < AirHead> Good morning.
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16:36 < DataGhost> BleuLlama I did
16:36 < DataGhost> trial-and-error + some general clue
16:37 < DataGhost> that's the way I learned C aswell, actually
16:37 < DataGhost> but I had some other things to help me, too
16:37 < DataGhost> a function list (target-specific, though) with short descriptions and several kilobytes of sourcecode
16:41 < Fossi> yeah, i dislike books for learning too
16:42 < Fossi> they make great references though
16:42 < Fossi> if you don't know a specific good internetpage that is
16:42 < Fossi> or an irc channel ;)
16:42 < DerPapst> to bug people....
16:43 < Fossi> well, i sometime ask in some channels where i know people pretty well just to reflect on the problem
16:43 < Fossi> so it's sometimes more of a rant
16:43 < Fossi> :)
16:44 < Fossi> if i go to specific channels i read up beforehand
16:45 < DerPapst> heh
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16:53 < BleuLlama> ##c is always good
16:54  * BleuLlama learned most of the core of C from Kernighan & Ritchie's "The C Programming Language".  an excellent step-by-step of the language, doubling as a great reference book afterwards
16:54 < fxb> same
16:54 < BleuLlama> then learn algorithms and techniques from other places.  (classes, Knuth books, etc)
16:56 < HardDisk_WP> Hi
16:56 < BleuLlama> imo, the big problem with not taking a class or learning from a book is that you don't know what's available out there, that you can use for your software
16:56 < DataGhost> true, yes
16:56 < DataGhost> but finding a good book is hard
16:56 < DataGhost> especially when you're not in university yet
16:56 < DataGhost> or have never ordered a book over the internet
16:57 < BleuLlama> it's like a painter who only ever learns to paint with red, green, and black.  sure, he can get some interesting things done, but without knowing that there's a good pallet, gamut, range of colors, he can't go to his full potential
16:57 < DataGhost> if I go to the local bookstore, I see books like 'Windows XP for dummies', actually the whole series 'for dummies', a few random books 'for seniors' and some microsoft books
16:57 < DataGhost> and basically that's it
16:58 < BleuLlama> imo, avoid the "SAMS" books.
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16:58 < DataGhost> eeh. I have downloaded a whole lot of them I think
16:58 < DataGhost> but they came with 30GB of books :P
16:58 < BleuLlama> O'Reilly makes good reference books (esp. pocket reference) but like other refernce books, you can't find anything unless you know what you're looking for
16:58 < BleuLlama> heh. yeah
16:59 < DataGhost> taht C-book you were just talking about is not in there, though :(
16:59 < DataGhost> only the C++ one
16:59 < BleuLlama> that's highly regarded as *the* C book to get
16:59 < DataGhost> and I have a few O'Reilly books at home :) they are very good indeed
16:59 < BleuLlama> and for C++, get strounstraup (?)'s book
16:59 < BleuLlama> "The C Programming Language" is often referred to as "The C Bible"
17:00 < DataGhost> Bjarne Stroustrup -- The C++ Programming Language, 3rd Ed.pdf
17:00 < DataGhost> that one?
17:00 < DataGhost> :P
17:00 < BleuLlama> that's it
17:00 < BleuLlama> i can never remember how to spell his name
17:00 < DataGhost> oh. the C bible?
17:00 < BleuLlama> that book is often referred to as "The New Testament" or "The Book Of Mormon" ;)
17:00 < DataGhost> http://www.bigwebmaster.com/screenshots/0764549553.jpg
17:00 < DataGhost> does it look like that one?
17:00 < DataGhost> or is it a different series :P
17:00 < BleuLlama> no
17:00 < BleuLlama> lemme find a pic
17:01 < DataGhost> ok :)
17:01 < BleuLlama> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_c_programming_language
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17:01 < DataGhost> heh
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17:01 < BleuLlama> i have the old (K&R C) version, and i used to have the new version, but i lent it to someone and never got it back. :(
17:02 < BleuLlama> and if you're getting into graphics programming, I can't highly recommend enough "Computer Graphics: Principles and Practice" by Foley vanDam Feiner and Hughes
17:03 < DataGhost> 51 euros :o
17:03 < BleuLlama> my copy of that has all of the examples in either Pascal or Modula II... later versions had the examples in C... but it doesn't really matter, since you're learning the algorithms and such.
17:03  * DerPapst is afk
17:03 < BleuLlama> yeah. it's on the expensive side.  it's about the size of a large dictionary
17:04 < BleuLlama> it's $63USD on amazon (marked down from $90USD)
17:04 < DataGhost> 63 U.S. dollar = 48.4652666 Euro
17:04 < DataGhost> basically the same :)
17:04 < BleuLlama> ja
17:04 < BleuLlama> The C Programming Language is usually around $45USD
17:05 < BleuLlama> both books are worth their weight in gold, imo.
17:07 < DerPapst> are these book in other languages available too?
17:08 < BleuLlama> The C Programming Language is definitely
17:08 < BleuLlama> i think it's available in like 20+ languages
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17:24 < DerPapst> cool
17:24 < BleuLlama> afk for a while
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18:24 < deameyes> is podzilla able to scale images in a program?
18:25 < deameyes> or should I just make multiple images of various sizes for speed's sake?
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18:45 < fxb> anybody has a nano flash rom?
18:46 < DerPapst> best would be fo ask BleuLlama. he has an nano and i guess he's advanced enogh to extract the flsh rom.
18:47 < fxb> BleuLlama: ping :)
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18:50 < HardDisk_WP> DerPapst, is nano2 able to boot linux
18:50 < HardDisk_WP> ?
18:50 < fxb> no
18:50 < HardDisk_WP> dmnd. y not?
18:51 < fxb> `spelling
18:51 < HardDisk_WP> i know
18:51 < fxb> encrypted firmware.
18:51 < HardDisk_WP> dmnd.
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18:56 < deameyes> I haven't done any work with decrypting things; is it just a tedious process or is there a lot of thinking to it?
18:57 < fxb> hey bmxr :)
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18:58 < bmxr> hey fxb
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19:21 < DataGhost> deameyes it's always best to figure out for yourself
19:21 < DataGhost> decrypt this: ZGVhbWV5ZXMga25vd3MgYmFzZTY0
19:21 < DataGhost> and that's an easy one
19:24  * DerPapst thinks that the one above him is evil :P
19:24 < DataGhost> hehe
19:24 < DataGhost> I'm not giving any more information than Apple
19:24 < DataGhost> except for (probably) an easier-to-crack encryption
19:24 < DataGhost> I could also DatCrypt it
19:24 < deameyes> yea I spose I can't be much help for that, may as well just work on applications
19:25 < DerPapst> some XOR stuff?
19:25 < DataGhost> nobody knows that algorithm but me
19:25 < DataGhost> nah
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19:25 < DataGhost> some rot(random) + random junk, basically
19:25 < DataGhost> still pretty much impossible to crack if I just send you 1 message
19:25 < DataGhost> you don't know what the message is
19:25 < DataGhost> you have no way to see what algorithm is used
19:25 < DataGhost> etc etc etc :)
19:26 < DataGhost> 11m"xNG$z^EIqv3Kg9l~*t}bNvjx;7sJf]u#xr*xm2Ct*s@=
19:26 < DataGhost> that's "DerPapst knows DatCrypt"
19:26 < DataGhost> good luck derivating an algorithm :P
19:27 < DerPapst> meh.. no thanks
19:27 < DataGhost> hehe
19:27 < HardDisk_WP> DataGhost, do we at least know anything other than it's encrypted?
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19:27 < deameyes> ok, so for legacy are multiple images able to be scaled down?  or does that bog it down too much?
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19:28 < DataGhost> oh and to make it even easier, the first 2 bytes are just to identify if it's using a 7-bit or 8-bit charset and what type of encryption is used. so those 2 can be safely ignored while attempting to decrypt :D
19:28 < DataGhost> I added those later, so they look lame
19:28 < DataGhost> anyway, it's still flawed, though.
19:29 < DataGhost> if I send you the same message twice, using a password (fixed seed) you'll be able to crack it within the hour
19:29 < DataGhost> that's easily fixed but I'm not using it anyway :P
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19:30 < DataGhost> anyway, now that I've told all this info I'll be able to place the nano firmware into perspective
19:31 < DataGhost> deameyes so.. using this very simple algorithm it would still take someone about an hour to find the algorithm
19:31 < DataGhost> taken that I've sent the same message twice with a fixed seed
19:31 < DataGhost> that my algorithm is flawed
19:31 < deameyes> fair enough, is it possible to just wipe the new nano's drive and install an older firmware?
19:31 < DataGhost> and that you know the message
19:31 < deameyes> or would that not work due to the new chips?
19:31 < DataGhost> I don't think there is 'older' firmware for the 2G nano
19:32 < DataGhost> I don't think it got a generation bump for no reason at all
19:32 < DataGhost> anyway, continuing my speech.. :)
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19:32 < deameyes> ok, but does ipodlinux have to be encrypted then to work on the new nanos?
19:33 < DataGhost> it's not certain if the nano firmware encryption is flawed in the same way, it's not sent twice with a fixed seed and that flaw, AND the message is unknown
19:33 < DataGhost> I think something needs to be decrypted first in order to know how to talk to the hardware
19:33 < DataGhost> and I guess it may have to be encrypted, yes
19:33 < DataGhost> with encrypted firmware I'd say there's some decryption chip somewhere, with the algorithm + key stored in it
19:33 < DataGhost> and the firmware will be put through there
19:34 < DataGhost> if you upload normal firmware, it will attempt to 'decrypt' that, which will give junk -> iPod does not boot
19:34 < DataGhost> but that's just speculation on my side, I haven't ever touched a nano and I've not read myself into the details
19:34 < DerPapst> The flashrom contains the iPod bootloader which will decrypt the fw.
19:34 < DataGhost> I just deduce this information from what I've heard and some 'general clue' :)
19:34 < DerPapst> but you can't dump it
19:34 < DataGhost> or in the flashrom, yes :)
19:35 < DataGhost> I think you can dump it once you've got some encrypted firmware to work :P
19:35 < DataGhost> but that would be useless then :)
19:35 < deameyes> ok, well I gotta go to class thanks for some information on the subject
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19:35 < DerPapst> that is what i wanted to say
19:35 < DataGhost> but if it's done through the flashrom.. that would be software decryption
19:35 < DerPapst> so you have to use a tool to get the image from the rom
19:36 < DataGhost> oh wait never mind
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19:36 < DataGhost> you'll just have to decrypt the firmware once, load it into memory and it'll not decrypt anything anymore
19:36 < JavaMan> derpapst or dataghost
19:36 < JavaMan> my ipod wont turn on anymore :(
19:36 < DataGhost> hmmm it would be very nice then DerPapst
19:36 < DataGhost> if that were true
19:36 < HardDisk_WP> some guys have made it to disassemble a Nano2g
19:36 < HardDisk_WP> JavaMan, /msg iplbot broken
19:36 < DataGhost> and if those cyboid guys can get their game to run on the nano
19:36 < DataGhost> if it's real at all
19:37 < DataGhost> because if they can run a game, they could dump the memory to the disk
19:37 < JavaMan> ?
19:37 < DataGhost> HardDisk_WP disassembly is useless... you'd have to get your information from a chip, which is pretty hard
19:37 < HardDisk_WP> DataGhost, you mean a game in apple format
19:37 < DataGhost> yes
19:37 < DataGhost> some guys claimed to have made that for the 5G/5.5G
19:37 < HardDisk_WP> DataGhost, kewl. did someone crack the format of it?!
19:37 < JavaMan> harddisk
19:37 < DataGhost> and they are working on nano support
19:37 < DataGhost> HardDisk_WP I don't know
19:38 < JavaMan> that wont work
19:38 < DerPapst>  and the interesting thing is that it runs on nanos too.
19:38 < DataGhost> for all I know, it's just a scam
19:38 < JavaMan> iplbot is not here
19:38 < DataGhost> but I applied for a betatest
19:38 < DerPapst> but they don't support ipgs
19:38 < HardDisk_WP> JavaMan, u re right...wait
19:38 < JavaMan> derpapst my ipod wont turn on i know it has nothing to do with installing ipl
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19:38 < JavaMan> its just tryed to open my ipod and it wont even show an apple logo
19:38 < HardDisk_WP> DataGhost, if they managed this it would be really kewl.
19:39 < JavaMan> its as if its out of batteries but i know i have batteries
19:39 < JavaMan> derpapst, wat should i do
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19:39 < DerPapst> then hold down menu + center for a long time. if that doesn'T work flip the hold switch and try harder
19:40 < JavaMan> :/
19:40 < JavaMan> ok ill try
19:40 < DerPapst> [20:43] <DataGhost> but I applied for a betatest <-- does that mean you have the game?
19:40 < DataGhost> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Troubleshooting#My_iPod_does_not_turn_on
19:41 < DataGhost> no DerPapst
19:41 < DataGhost> I mailed them today
19:41 < JavaMan> derpapst it worked!
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19:41 < DataGhost> if it's not fake I should receive a copy
19:41 < JavaMan> but why?
19:41 < DerPapst> ah ok
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19:41 < DataGhost> JavaMan because menu+center reboots your iPod
19:41 < DataGhost> as explained on the wiki
19:41 < JavaMan> i know that
19:41 < JavaMan> i guess i didnt hold it long enough
19:42 < DataGhost> or not good enough
19:42 < JavaMan> but im just wondering why it didnt turn on before
19:42 < DataGhost> never stop trying after 1 attempt
19:42 < JavaMan> :D
19:42 < DataGhost> if I did that, there would still be no progress at all on the 80GB :P
19:42 < DataGhost> most probably*
19:42 < DerPapst> it my spirit that rebooted your ipod
19:42 < DataGhost> hehe
19:42 < fxb> they replied to my mail, but i accidentially deleted that. it was in the spam filter.
19:42 < JavaMan> i think it was actually
19:42 < DataGhost> so you look like yoda then DerPapst
19:42 < JavaMan> :o
19:43 < DataGhost> and then it's not your spirit
19:43 < DataGhost> but it's the Force!
19:43 < JavaMan> ok
19:43 < DataGhost> eh. fxb :/
19:43 < JavaMan> did you read my msg yesterday derpapst?
19:43 < JavaMan> i couldnt get fdisk to work
19:43 < JavaMan> :/
19:43 < fxb> i asked them to send the mail again
19:43 < fxb> :_/
19:43 < DataGhost> I'd better check my spamfilter then, too
19:43 < DataGhost> did it take them long to reply?
19:44 < DataGhost> because I've mailed them this morning (about 10 hours ago)
19:44 < JavaMan> let me register my nickname
19:44 < DerPapst> javaman... fdisk should be available in evry normal linux distribution
19:44 < JavaMan> oh in linux
19:44 < JavaMan> but how do i run it
19:44 < JavaMan> i have the cd
19:44 < fxb> DataGhost: i didn't see the date/time of the mail, but i sent the mail yesterday after they posted on the forums.
19:44 < DerPapst> sure in linux. winblows doesn't have fdisk
19:45 < DataGhost> Premature ejaculation... SPUR-M, OEM software for cheap prices, meds..
19:45 < DataGhost> I hate spam
19:45 < DerPapst> hehe
19:45 < DerPapst> i get that oem crap too
19:45 < DataGhost> lol
19:45 < JavaMan> derpapst how do i run linux?
19:45 < DataGhost> I think my 'Received' folder lists _ALL_ messages
19:45 < DataGhost> that would mean something really awful
19:45 < DataGhost> a 1:1 mail:spam ratio
19:46 < DerPapst> err.. burn the image on the cd stick it in your pc and then boot from the cd?
19:46 < DataGhost> 91490 mails of which 46672 are spam
19:46 < JavaMan> ok
19:46 < DerPapst> 91490 mails?
19:46 < DerPapst> o m g
19:47 < HardDisk_WP> wthf!
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19:47 < DataGhost> We'll be picking the rest of the group from the responses we receive, and we'll notify people once the next round of testing begins.
19:47 < DataGhost> ok
19:47 < DataGhost> so not now
19:47 < DataGhost> }:|
19:47 < DataGhost> it was in my spamfolder indeed :P
19:47 < JavaMan> derpapst, then i should print out that tut?
19:47 < DataGhost> DerPapst since 1999
19:47 < DataGhost> what's more worrying, though
19:48 < JavaMan> or can i be in windows and linux at the same time
19:48 < DataGhost> is that my spamfolder only dates back 2 years or something
19:48 -!- JavaMan is now known as JavaMan22
19:48 < DataGhost> 11-2004
19:48 < DerPapst> heh
19:49 < DataGhost> and the only reason I keep those mails around is that my spamfilter learns from them
19:49 < JavaMan22> ok derpapst i am registered
19:49 < JavaMan22> :D
19:49 < DataGhost> the bad thing about it is that when I empty my spamfolder, it forgets all its rules
19:49  * HellDragon2 blames his 5.5G
19:49 < HellDragon2> i cant access the file browser or it crashes
19:49 < DerPapst> javaMan either print it or whatever. but if you don't run linux in vmware then you can either use win or linux. but not both in the same time.
19:49 < DataGhost> anyway fxb I received the response within the hour
19:49 < DataGhost> but have you even read the mail?
19:49 < HellDragon2> i cant even go in the terminal
19:49 < HellDragon2> or run
19:49 < HellDragon2> :(
19:50 < JavaMan22> ok so all i have to do is
19:50 < DataGhost> because when they're talking about 'rounds', seeing that they started the topic yesterday, I guess you received the same mail I did
19:50 < JavaMan22> turn off my computer with the disc
19:50 < JavaMan22> then it will run linux?
19:50 < DerPapst> HellDragon2 what is the error message after creashing?
19:50 < HellDragon2> DerPapst: it says its sleeping because it doesnt have to do anything anymore
19:50 < JavaMan22> because yesterday when i did that all i saw was a black screen :/
19:50 < HellDragon2> or something like that
19:51 < DerPapst> JavaMan... please. do you know how to use your biso? if so then check if your pc can bott from a cd.
19:51 < HellDragon2> i think i will use the installer2 "workaround" then reinstall linux with it
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19:51 < DerPapst> HellDragon: before that
19:51 < JavaMan22> ...
19:51 < fxb> DataGhost: no, i saw it while it was deleting the spam folder.
19:51 < JavaMan22> biso is a software?
19:51 < DataGhost> lol
19:52 < DerPapst> *bios
19:52 < DataGhost> so just the header?
19:52 < DerPapst> sry
19:52 < JavaMan22> >:o
19:52 < DataGhost> then you probably received the same mail
19:52 < fxb> i just saw the mail adress it came from and thought "shit!"
19:52 < DataGhost> they'll send a new one then
19:52 < HellDragon2> DerPapst: i dont know, let me reboot in ipodlinux
19:52 < JavaMan22> so bios is a software
19:52 < fxb> but it was too late :D
19:52 < DataGhost> when they start that round of testing
19:52 < JavaMan22> that i have to get?
19:52 < DataGhost> hehe
19:52 < DerPapst> omg.
19:52 < fxb> can you forward the response you got to "felixbruns@web.de"?
19:52  * DerPapst gives up
19:53 < DataGhost> that's also the nice thing about my enourmous spamfolder fxb
19:53 < JavaMan22> :*(
19:53 < fxb> hehe
19:53 < DerPapst> and to papst_XI@gmx.de too :P
19:53 < DataGhost> when I accidentally hit 'empty spam' it doesn't truncate the actual file before it's done
19:53 < JavaMan22> dont give up derpapst >:o
19:53 < DataGhost> so I just kill my client and all is still there :)
19:54 < fxb> DataGhost: i didn't even download it to my pc.
19:54 < DataGhost> ah, imap
19:54 < DataGhost> it's sent :)
19:54 < JavaMan22> how do i know if my pc can run windows and linux at same time?
19:54 < fxb> thanks.
19:54 < DataGhost> you already know JavaMan22
19:54 < DataGhost> it can
19:54 < DataGhost> if it can run windows, it can run linux
19:54 < DataGhost> even at the same time (with vmware)
19:54 < DerPapst> JavaMan22: listen dude.. if you don't know how to burn a bootable cd and boot from it you aren't able at all to install highly experimental software an a consumer product.
19:54 < DataGhost> what you probably mean is dualboot, and yes it can do that too
19:54 < DataGhost> but indeed what DerPapst says :P
19:55 < JavaMan22> derpapst i told you i already have a burned cd with linux
19:55 < JavaMan22> i got the .iso and burned it on a clean cd
19:55 < DerPapst> but you don't know how to use it
19:55 < JavaMan22> yeh :(
19:55 < DataGhost> why would you want it on your iPod then?
19:55 < HellDragon2> DerPapst: lol
19:55 < HellDragon2> oops
19:55 < DerPapst> that was a logical & so the result is still FALSE
19:55 < HellDragon2> lol*
19:56 < JavaMan22> when i restarted my computer with it all i saw was a black screen
19:56 < JavaMan22> is there something i need to do?
19:56 < DerPapst> do you maybe have burned the iso file to the disk?
19:56 < DataGhost> there could be loads of things
19:56 < JavaMan22> i did
19:56 < DataGhost> and that's not really plausible DerPapst
19:56 < DataGhost> it would have complained at most
19:57 < DerPapst> DANG
19:57 < DataGhost> and then continued booting as usual
19:57 < JavaMan22> wat
19:57 < DataGhost> and he doesn't understand what you are saying DerPapst
19:57 < DataGhost> JavaMan22 did you burn the .iso through a 'burn image' function or did you drag it to the cd?
19:57 < JavaMan22> wait i think i do understand
19:57 < fxb> DataGhost: your mail also landed in the spam folder. but i was clever enough to check before deleting it's contents :D
19:57 < DerPapst> so the disk contains a file called whateverXXX.iso?
19:57 < JavaMan22> i used burn image
19:57 < DataGhost> heh.
19:57 < JavaMan22> no
19:57 < JavaMan22> it contains many files
19:57 < DataGhost> well then there's something else wrong which is not at all related to ipodlinux
19:58 < DerPapst> kk
19:58 < JavaMan22> its called slax
19:58 < DataGhost> try ##slax
19:58 < DerPapst> then it should work
19:58 < JavaMan22> in the black window?
19:58 < DerPapst> if id doesn't i cant help you
19:58 < HellDragon2> DerPapst: Trying to gather debug info. If this freezes,reboot. Saved: podzilla.oops Letting original sig go - expect crash       Unhandled fault: external abort on linefetch (F4) at 0x00000001 fault-common.c(97): start_code=0xc00040,start_stack=0xdfff6c) No more tasks for init -- sleeping forever
19:58 < DataGhost> eh.
19:58 < DerPapst> i have linux installed on my pc and i don't use a live cd
19:59 < JavaMan22> ok ill try ##slax on the black window
19:59 < JavaMan22> see ya
19:59 < DataGhost> I have used them loads of times and I know there can be dozens of reasons that it doesn't work
19:59 < DataGhost> and I meant on irc
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19:59 < DataGhost> ...since this is not a slax help channel, which is the issue... but he's gone already
19:59 < DerPapst> ^ this dude is more stupid than i thought :O
20:00 < DataGhost> I just hope they coded some magic into that thing
20:00 < DataGhost> so it boots when you type ##slax
20:00 < DataGhost> :P
20:00 < DerPapst> hehe
20:00 < DerPapst> i doubt that
20:00 < DataGhost> yeah, me too :(
20:00 < DerPapst> HellDragon: uhh that sound strange.
20:00 < HellDragon2> DerPapst: yeah
20:00 < DataGhost> probably his drive is dead or can't read his cd/dvd for some reason
20:00 < DataGhost> and then it will hang, yes... until it can read something
20:00 < DerPapst> can you get that podzilla.oops file from your ipod?
20:01 < DataGhost> or until a timeout
20:01 < HellDragon2> i'd need to reboot under linux, i will do in like 30mins
20:01 < HellDragon2> or i could start my livecd in vmware
20:01 < DerPapst> ok
20:01 < DerPapst> or this way
20:01 < DataGhost> you could try explore2fs
20:01 < DataGhost> or start a livecd in vmware
20:01 < HellDragon2> DataGhost: it works with ipods ?
20:01 < DataGhost> I don't know
20:01 < HardDisk_WP> DataGhost, btw i know g55 is unsupported...but why does the console fail?
20:01 < DataGhost> I just guess it does
20:01 < DataGhost> it doesn't
20:01 < DataGhost> on mine
20:02 < DerPapst> hey HellDragon.. if javadude is back you can maybe explain them how to use slax in vmware :D
20:02 < DataGhost> I have absolutely no clue
20:02 < DataGhost> hehe
20:02 < HellDragon2> DerPapst: lol
20:02 < HardDisk_WP> DataGhost, ok...btw do you know of a disassemble of g55?
20:02 < DataGhost> hm?
20:02 < DataGhost> you mean the hardware? I have seen pictures, yes
20:02 < DerPapst> ifixed.com
20:03 < DataGhost> by the way, if you don't mind I'm going to check whether or not my 200GB disk still works in another machine
20:03 < DataGhost> because my server choked on it. hard.
20:03 < DerPapst> do what you have to do
20:06 < DataGhost> hm. nice
20:06 < DataGhost> so my server is just borked on secondary slave
20:06 < DataGhost> or doesn't support that disk :)
20:07 < HellDragon2> livecd is booting
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20:09 < JavaMan22> derpapst no luck :/
20:09 < JavaMan22> it shows the slax loading screen then its stuck on the black screen
20:09 < DataGhost> ah. you didn't tell us that last time
20:09 < JavaMan22> and i cant type anything so i couldnt type ##slax
20:09 < DataGhost> then you _REALLY_ need to go to ##slax
20:09 < DataGhost> I wanted to tell you
20:09 < JavaMan22> i cant
20:09 < DataGhost> it's an IRC channel
20:09 < JavaMan22> oh
20:09 < JavaMan22> >:o
20:10 < JavaMan22> is it here in this server?
20:10 < DataGhost> yes
20:10 < JavaMan22> ok
20:10 < DataGhost> maybe not the official one, I don't know
20:10 < DataGhost> check their website for that
20:10 < DataGhost> because it's obvious that it's a slax problem
20:10 < JavaMan22> To get help with slax here you may have to wait several hours (days!)
20:10 < JavaMan22> :O
20:10 < DataGhost> yes. that sucks. I can't help it
20:11 < JavaMan22> i dont understand i burned it correctly
20:11 < DataGhost> try checking the slax website for an 'official' irc channel. It may not be on this server at all
20:11 < HellDragon2> quite,
20:11 < JavaMan22> do you know that tutorial that is in the forums about installing ipl with 5.5?
20:11 < JavaMan22> i downloaded that cd burner and .iso
20:11 < JavaMan22> and when i ran the cd burner i didnt select any of the options
20:12 < JavaMan22> let me check wat they were
20:12 < JavaMan22> read verify, SAO, finalize
20:12 < JavaMan22> and also auto eject but i have that selected, all others are not selected
20:13 < JavaMan22> and the speed is set to optimal
20:13 < JavaMan22> did i do something wrong with that?
20:13 < HellDragon2> ipl is the easiest thing to install
20:13 < JavaMan22> :(
20:13 < HellDragon2> blame slaxx
20:13 < HellDragon2> JavaMan22: try with an ubuntu livecd
20:13 < JavaMan22> ok
20:14 < JavaMan22> where can i get that
20:14 < JavaMan22> i will google it
20:14 < HellDragon2> i dont know i cant open my browser vmware takes all my ram
20:18 < JavaMan22> i read on the slax documentation that a way to run it is to use linux.bat
20:19 < JavaMan22> but when i run that it tells me "You need pure 386/486 real mode or a VCPI server to boot Linux"
20:19 < JavaMan22> i guess i can never run linux :(
20:19 < JavaMan22> i feel sad
20:21 < HellDragon2> i cant copy paste podzilla.oops even if copy pasting between machines is enabled
20:22 < JavaMan22> i wish derpapst were here :(
20:23 < JavaMan22> can i do fdisk with ubuntu?
20:24 < HellDragon2> yeah
20:24 < DerPapst> i am here. but until you haven't got linux to run on your pc i can't help you.
20:24 < JavaMan22> is there another linux that is small like slaw?
20:24 < JavaMan22> hi :D
20:24 < JavaMan22> *slax i meant
20:24 < HellDragon2> well the .oops is just full of 0x000 things
20:25 < DerPapst> no slax is the smalest.
20:25 < DataGhost> hm fxb I wrote them another mail but I saved it in my drafts folder
20:25 < JavaMan22> wat is the second smallest?
20:25 < DataGhost> it might be better to ask them about technical details + an possible nano version of their game AFTER i receive their beta :P
20:25 < DataGhost> + details on how they did it, if they are willing to share it
20:25 < DerPapst> dunno. i don't have to care aboud bandwith
20:25 < fxb> already sent a 2nd mail
20:25 < DataGhost> :o
20:25 < DataGhost> with what :)
20:25 < fxb> asking if we can get m,ore information :D
20:25 < JavaMan22> wat linux is not too big
20:26 < DataGhost> haha ok
20:26 < JavaMan22> i havent even reached 1%with unbuntu
20:26 < DataGhost> maybe those messages can pass through you indeed
20:26 < DataGhost> if they decide to not give betas to people 'who ask too much'
20:26 < DerPapst> naybe you download from a lame server.
20:26 < DataGhost> because I've got a hunch on the nanos
20:26 < JavaMan22> :o
20:26 < DataGhost> if their thing works on a nano
20:26 < fxb> DataGhost: do you have a nano?
20:26 < DerPapst> i used knoppix a long time before i installed linux on my pc.
20:27 < DataGhost> then it could be modified to dump the entire memory and that might probably get some useful results
20:27 < DataGhost> fxb no
20:27 < DerPapst> there is a extremly fast server in netherlands.
20:27 < DerPapst> 2.5Tbit/s
20:27 < DataGhost> so I'll be on the waiting-side or something :P
20:27 < DataGhost> or someone needs to sponsor a nano
20:27 < JavaMan22> derpapst did you see that thing i wrote 
20:27 < DataGhost> :)
20:27 < JavaMan22> "You need pure 386/486 real mode or a VCPI server to boot Linux"
20:27 < DataGhost> but I'm not expecting miracles
20:27 < JavaMan22> does this mean no linux can run on my computer, if so i will be very sad
20:28 < DerPapst> what processor do you have?
20:28 < DataGhost> I just hope that, if their game works at all on a nano, it can be used to dump the memory contents (which includes the decrypted firmware) and/or the flash rom (which hopefully contains a decryption algorithm)
20:28 < JavaMan22> let me check
20:28 < DataGhost> if my theory is right + DerPapst's suggestion
20:28 < DataGhost> so it's just guessing logically
20:28 < JavaMan22> um
20:28 < fxb> DataGhost: yeah. since their game is c++ code it should be possible
20:28 < HardDisk_WP> DataGhost, ...that making Linux on Nano2 ain't impossible.
20:28 < JavaMan22> intel core cpu2
20:28 < DerPapst> DataGhost: why do you want to have the decrypted fw?
20:28 < JavaMan22> is that it?
20:29 < DataGhost> well DerPapst maybe not that... well maybe I do want it :P
20:29 < fxb> linux runs on everything.
20:29 < DataGhost> but at least the flashrom
20:29 < DataGhost> since that *should* contain decryption stuff
20:29 < HellDragon2> i think i will just take a screenshot of the .oops
20:29 < DataGhost> or it's somewhere in a chip and in that case it'll be just as hard, probably
20:29 < DataGhost> however DerPapst
20:29 < DerPapst> copy paste the content?
20:29 < DataGhost> with the encrypted and decrypted firmware together, a better analysis can be made
20:29 < JavaMan22> who me?
20:30 < DataGhost> hopefully :P
20:30 < DerPapst> JavaMan not you
20:30 < JavaMan22> ok :D
20:30 < fxb> i think davidc said he wants to read it directly from the chip or something
20:30 < DerPapst> slax should run on your pc
20:30 < JavaMan22> but it doesnt
20:30 < DataGhost> yeah fxb that would be great too
20:30 < DerPapst> i know and i can't help you
20:30 < DataGhost> but until then, I guess the race is on :P
20:30 < JavaMan22> derpapst i will try one more time
20:31 < DataGhost> just as with the 80GB
20:31 < JavaMan22> im going to go to the boot menu
20:31 < JavaMan22> maybe that will help?
20:31 < fxb> :)
20:31 < DerPapst> DataGhost: you can dl the firmware from apple. so you don't have to extract it :P
20:31 < DataGhost> I heard they were going to attach a logic analyzer to the IDE interface... but I think they cancelled that idea
20:31 < DataGhost> yes DerPapst
20:31 < JavaMan22> also derpapst when backing up my files on ipod
20:31 < DataGhost> but it's encrypted
20:31 < fxb> yeah: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware
20:31 < fxb> :D
20:31 < DataGhost> and if it runs it should be decrypted first
20:31 < JavaMan22> do you mean select all and copy /paste?
20:31 < DataGhost> and that decrypted version will probably be loaded in RAM
20:32 < JavaMan22> then later i could just paste it on my ipod?
20:32 < HellDragon2> DerPapst: http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3309/sanstitrept3.jpg
20:32 < DataGhost> so, if you can load a program from that running firmware, it should be possible to dump the RAM hopefully
20:32 < DerPapst> DataGhost: yeah. Llorean stoped that after the success with the kernel
20:32 < DataGhost> so we'd have both the encrypted and decrypted versions of the firmware, which should make work easier
20:32 < DerPapst> yep
20:32 < JavaMan22> helldragon how did you do that?
20:33 < DataGhost> but this is just theory until we know if their game can run on nanos at all
20:33 < DataGhost> and until I get a nano
20:33 < DataGhost> :P
20:33 < JavaMan22> have linux be emulated on your windows
20:33 < fxb> but i don't know how they want to run that game on a nano...
20:33 < HellDragon2> JavaMan22: do what
20:33 < JavaMan22> can i do that?
20:33 < DataGhost> fxb hm?
20:33 < HellDragon2> yeah
20:33 < HellDragon2> with vmware
20:33 < JavaMan22> how?
20:33 < JavaMan22> ok
20:33 < fxb> DataGhost: you were faster wit writing that.
20:33 < DataGhost> again some logica deduction... I guess they just upload the game with iTunes
20:33 < JavaMan22> will it let me do fdisk?
20:33 < HellDragon2> yeah
20:34 < DataGhost> and if the 'interface' is the same, it should work fine on the nano too, I guess
20:34 < JavaMan22> ok ill try
20:34 < DataGhost> and it's just hoping that everything is as I'm fantasizing about now
20:34 < JavaMan22> helldragon its not free?
20:34 < fxb> nano doesn't have game support at all. the firmware doesn't have game support, so how do you want to run it then?
20:34 < DataGhost> AND that apple didn't suspect this -> didn't take precautions such as preventing programs from reading the firmware part of the RAM
20:34 < DataGhost> oh
20:34 < DataGhost> I thought it did
20:35 < DataGhost> bah. that sucks :)
20:35 < fxb> only 5G, 5.5G
20:35 < DataGhost> but they did say they wanted to get it working on a nano aswell
20:35 < JavaMan22> helldragon its not free
20:35 < fxb> yeah.. dunno
20:35 < fxb> [21:32] <fxb> but i don't know how they want to run that game on a nano...
20:35 < fxb> ^^
20:35 < JavaMan22> can i get one that is free?
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20:36 < HellDragon2> JavaMan22: vmware player is free
20:36 < DataGhost> I really need the stuff before I know what I'm talking about :P
20:36 < DataGhost> let's just hope I don't ahve to pay loads of taxes and I'll be able to buy a nano next week
20:37 < DerPapst> i'm afk btw.
20:37 < DerPapst> food :)
20:37 < DataGhost> eh. technically
20:37 < DataGhost> I still need to get paid
20:37 < JavaMan22> helldragon i think this may work :D
20:38 < JavaMan22> so i can run my slaw cd with vmware?
20:38 < HellDragon2> yeah
20:38 < JavaMan22> hehehe
20:38 < DataGhost> anyway fxb I remember davidc talking about that indeed
20:39 < DataGhost> but he also said it was going to be very hard since the chip was epoxied on the pcb and the contacts were very small, iirc
20:39 < HardDisk_WP> DerPapst, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UItagWbW0os
20:39 < HardDisk_WP> lol
20:40 < DataGhost> very, very old movie :P
20:40 < DataGhost> oh. brb
20:41 < JavaMan22> helldragon
20:41 < JavaMan22> it asks for a virtual machine configuratiuon file
20:41 < JavaMan22> where do i have one?
20:42 < HellDragon2> i dont know
20:42 < JavaMan22> ?
20:42 < JavaMan22> is it in the slax cd?
20:43 < HellDragon2> no
20:43 < JavaMan22> but i dont have a config file
20:43 < HellDragon2> you dont need one
20:44 < JavaMan22> when i hit cancel
20:44 < JavaMan22> it says i need one
20:44 < JavaMan22> :( nothing is working for me
20:47 < DataGhost> vmware player can only run prebuilt images
20:47 < JavaMan22> wat does that mean?
20:47 < DataGhost> it's not comparable with vmware workstation
20:47 < JavaMan22> ...
20:47 < DataGhost> it means that you can't run slax with vmware player unless someone built a specific image for that
20:48 < JavaMan22> ...
20:48 < JavaMan22> but helldragon told me you can
20:48 < DataGhost> If helldragon tells you you can drive through the pentagon at 900 km/h with a daihatsu
20:48 < DataGhost> what then?
20:48 < JavaMan22> :o
20:49 < JavaMan22> so i have no other way
20:49 < JavaMan22> :/
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20:56 < DerPapst> ^finally
20:59 < DataGhost> hehe
21:01 < HellDragon> lol
21:02 < HellDragon> i just had a BSOD
21:02 < HellDragon> while trying to eject my ipod 
21:02 < DerPapst> heh
21:07 < HardDisk_WP> HellDragon, lol. do you run win?
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21:08 < PhinnFort> how is the porting to 2nd gen ipods coming along?
21:08 < DerPapst> no
21:09 < PhinnFort> i think i might be able to get a buffer overflow
21:09 < PhinnFort> would that be helpful for running arbitrary code to analyze the running firmware, etc?
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21:09 < DataGhost> this has been discussed yes, with some magic mp3 that changes the volume or something?
21:10 < DataGhost> and probably near-to-impossible to find in a 3MB file without any real code
21:10 < DataGhost> or what is it
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21:10 < PhinnFort> i just managed to crash my ipod (as in it reboots instantly) when jumping to a song
21:10 < DataGhost> jumping to a song
21:10 < DataGhost> and this happens always?
21:10 < jenkins> i have a 5th gen ipod video and i am unable to get the Llauncher to launch iDoom, i installed Llauncher through the ipod linux install/updater thing, can anyone give a little help?
21:11 < PhinnFort> yup
21:11 < PhinnFort> the song is "to hell with the devil" by stryper, so i though the name was appropriate;)
21:11 < DataGhost> and there are about 5 gazillion different versions of it
21:11 < DataGhost> if you donate me a nano 2G and that mp3 I'd be happy to look for anything
21:12 < DataGhost> without any guarantees
21:12 < PhinnFort> i'll play around with a hex-editor to see if i can get anything to run out of it
21:12 < DataGhost> :)
21:12 < PhinnFort> :P
21:12 < DataGhost> eh. no you won't
21:12 < DataGhost> unless you know what you're doing
21:12 < DataGhost> and I doubt that you can write arm code in a hexeditor
21:12 < PhinnFort> i can just insert compiled arm code
21:12 < DataGhost> yes, you hope
21:12 < DataGhost> :)
21:12 < PhinnFort> ;)
21:13 < PhinnFort> anyways, i have nice backups of everything, so it shouldn't be able to do too much damage
21:13 < DataGhost> but please send me the mp3 and all steps to reproduce it _EXACTLY_
21:13 < DataGhost> down to the smallest detail
21:13 < DataGhost> someone else managed to do something with the volume with a mp3
21:13 < PhinnFort> i'm trying to reproduce it now
21:13 < DataGhost> if I can get him to send his stuff to me maybe something could be analyzed
21:13 < PhinnFort> as in deleting the file and putting it back
21:13 < DataGhost> but I estimate the chances to be very slim
21:14 < HardDisk_WP> n8
21:14 < DerPapst>  n8
21:14 < DataGhost> still 'immediately' is subject to human interpretation
21:14 < PhinnFort> well, the screen doesn't refresh
21:15 < DataGhost> so it could happen in... say... anywhere in the first 192 kbit? or something
21:15 < DataGhost> that's 24 kilobytes of 'code' to search through
21:15 < DataGhost> which is also quite large
21:15 < PhinnFort> bubble sort;)
21:15 < DataGhost> ?
21:15 < PhinnFort> halve it, try, halve it, try
21:15 < DataGhost> how would that help
21:15 < PhinnFort> narrow it down?
21:15 < DataGhost> yes. but you have to keep in mind that the mp3 still needs to be _valid_
21:15 < DataGhost> oh and someone suggested it might be in the metadata
21:16 < DataGhost> and that might be read from somewhere else
21:16 < DerPapst> itunes DB i guess
21:17 < PhinnFort> yeah, that's why i'm deleting and re-adding it
21:17 < DataGhost> hm that could also be true
21:17 < DataGhost> anyway, I doubt 'compiled' code will work
21:17 < DataGhost> I think you _NEED_ to write asm
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21:20 < PhinnFort> well, i was thinking in terms of "shellcode"
21:20 < PhinnFort> i meant as in "binary"
21:20 < DataGhost> to my knowledge that is exactly the same
21:20 < PhinnFort> yeah
21:20 < PhinnFort> but everything is binary;)
21:20 < PhinnFort> not a very accurate term:P
21:21 < PhinnFort> it still reboots, after retransfering, now i'm trying to delete all the metadata, and see if it still works
21:22 < PhinnFort> still crashes
21:27 < PhinnFort> hehe, amarok tries to transcode my amputated file
21:28 < PhinnFort> ok, now i have ~500 byte, i think, and it still crashes
21:28 < PhinnFort> 654 bytes, actually
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21:30 < PhinnFort> can anyone try to upload this file to their ipod, and see if it crashes when you play it?: http://phinn.christian.net/stuff/crashmyipod.mp3
21:31 < PhinnFort> it's 654 bytes, and the song is called "To hell with the devil" by Stryper, so you can find it
21:33 < DataGhost> iTunes refuses to read it
21:34 < BleuLlama> i doubt that's a valid mp3
21:34 < DerPapst> as well as quicktime
21:34 < PhinnFort> well, amarok just threw it right over
21:34 < DerPapst> hey BleuLlama
21:34 < PhinnFort> straight from my hexeditor
21:34 < PhinnFort> isn't there any way to transfer songs to the ipod besides itunes on windows?
21:35 < fxb> with iTunes, try to import a valid mp3 with that name, and then replace that, the sync.
21:35 < DataGhost> hm yeah :P
21:35 < DataGhost> hold on
21:35 < DerPapst> BleuLlama: did you read fxb's question?
21:35 < fxb> i'm trying, too.
21:35 < BleuLlama> what question?
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21:36 < DerPapst> about getting an image from the flash rom of your nano
21:38 < DataGhost> it just goes straight back to the main menu
21:38 < DataGhost> a.k.a. playlist finished
21:39 < PhinnFort> DataGhost: what firmware version?
21:39 < DataGhost> oh and it's not a nano
21:39 < PhinnFort> and more importantly, what kind of ipod?
21:39 < DerPapst> he has a 5.5G
21:39 < DataGhost> 5.5G 80GB
21:39 < PhinnFort> it crashes a 2nd gen 4GB
21:39 < PhinnFort> nano
21:39 < PhinnFort> version 1.1.1
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21:40 < jenkins> does anyone know how to get the config file to work for Llauncher???
21:41 < DataGhost> probably
21:41 < DataGhost> I don't know who :)
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21:41 < jenkins> dang
21:41 < DerPapst> but i know.. the programmer at least :P
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21:41 < JavaMan22> derpapst i got progress!!
21:41 < JavaMan22> before it starts to boot i pressed f1
21:42 < JavaMan22> and then i used slax acpi=off
21:42 < JavaMan22> and the screen wasnt black
21:42 < JavaMan22> but after it checks for usb support it gets another error and asks me to do ctrl-alt-del to restart computer
21:42 < fxb> PhinnFort: doesn't crash my iPod photo. I think it's because the iTunesDB contains info from the song i used to be able to copy that file to my iPod.
21:42 < PhinnFort> fxb: i doubt that the itunesdb is involved
21:43 < JavaMan22> but now im going to use ubuntu
21:43 < JavaMan22> wish me luck derpapst :D
21:43 < PhinnFort> i tried with blanking the metadata, and it still crashed
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21:43 < fxb> i'm using 1.2.1
21:43 < DataGhost> try uploading that very same song multiple times under different names
21:43 < DataGhost> maybe (very unprobably) it's just a bad memory cell or weird coincidence
21:44 < PhinnFort> the name seems to be randomized each time amarok uploads it
21:44 < PhinnFort> "kpod0775038.MP3", kpod0553454.MP3, etc.
21:44 < BleuLlama> the file is known corrupt.  why are you trying to upload it?
21:45 < DataGhost> because it reboots his iPod and that *might* suggest some sort of buffer overflow
21:45 < PhinnFort> to find out what makes my ipod tick?
21:45 < PhinnFort> so, if i find out where it starts to "flow over", i might be able to run some code on it
21:46 < BleuLlama> have fun.
21:46 < PhinnFort> i am
21:46 < PhinnFort> ;)
21:46 < PhinnFort> i don't have much else to do right now
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21:48 < PhinnFort> ok, now it's in the 74 first bytes of the file...
21:49 < PhinnFort> 21 byte...
21:50 < DataGhost> 3 byte?
21:50 < PhinnFort> ok, this seems absurd, i'm down to 8 byte, and it still crashes
21:50 < DataGhost> says 'ID3'
21:50 < DataGhost> maybe it just crashes because the song doesn't match the info in the database at all
21:51 < PhinnFort> hmmm
21:51 < DataGhost> 00000000h: 49 44 33 03 00 00 00 00 23 ; ID3.....#
21:51 < DataGhost> those are the first 8
21:51 < DataGhost> I see nothing strange there
21:51 < PhinnFort> im trying ID3 + 1 byte
21:51 < DataGhost> especially no buffer overflow
21:51 < PhinnFort> just for kicks
21:51 < DataGhost> ID3 + 1 byte is just _any_ valid ID3 tag header
21:52 < PhinnFort> yup
21:53 < PhinnFort> it still crashes... must be a faulty flash chip
21:54 < DataGhost> or a faulty mp3
21:54 < PhinnFort> this is extremely weird...
21:54 < DataGhost> the fact that iTunes rejects the file in the first place should be some sort of hint that the iPod isn't going to do any better
21:54 < PhinnFort> itunes rejects the file i gave you, because i crippled it for all audio data;)
21:54 < DataGhost> or any player, even
21:55 < PhinnFort> don't want get caught for copyright infrigment;)
21:55 < PhinnFort> *to
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22:00 < PhinnFort> it's very, very weird...
22:00 < PhinnFort> i write the same song to another location in the flash memory, it still crashes...
22:02 < PhinnFort> the worst thing is; i can't play my favourite song on my iPod;)
22:03 < BleuLlama> then pull out the cd, re-rip it using different software and use that.
22:03 < PhinnFort> that would be to give up
22:03 < PhinnFort> ;)
22:10 < DataGhost> I'd better brush up on my stepmania skills tonight :P
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22:13 < jenkins> can someone please tell me if there is an easy way to play idoom on a 5th gen 30 gig video? i have ipl and podzilla but cant get any launchers to work
22:16 < PhinnFort> DataGhost: ftp://ftp.phinnfort.phil0d0x.com/To Hell With The Devil - Stryper.MP3
22:17 < PhinnFort> try if itunes swallows it
22:17 < DataGhost> copyrights! warez! lawsuits! money! >:)
22:17  * PhinnFort escapes to sealand
22:17 < DataGhost> sealand is british
22:17 < PhinnFort> :P
22:17 < DataGhost> :)
22:17 < DataGhost> territorial rights were expanded so sealand isn't independent anymore
22:18 < DataGhost> but I can't login
22:18 < PhinnFort> the british can say that to the HUGE cannon on sealand
22:18 < DataGhost> it was removed
22:18 < DataGhost> :P
22:18 < PhinnFort> ah, drop the ftps
22:18 < PhinnFort> :P
22:18 < PhinnFort> phinnfort.phil0d0x.com/---
22:19 < DataGhost> ah finally
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22:25 < DataGhost> it just plays
22:25 < DataGhost> and the title suggest something more agressive :(
22:25 < PhinnFort> hmm
22:25 < PhinnFort> ;)
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22:37 < DataGhost> http://de.dataghost.com/SM-speedy.avi <- going to improve that skill
22:40 < DerPapst> insane :D
22:40 < DataGhost> there are loads of new stepmix entries
22:40 < DataGhost> wicked :)
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22:40 < DerPapst> btw.. is that mod music?
22:42 < DataGhost> eh. partially, I guess so
22:42 < DataGhost> it's in mp3 format though
22:42 < DerPapst> ah
22:43 < DataGhost> http://de.dataghost.com/jetsguns.avi <- that's SID metal
22:43 < DataGhost> like mod + guitars or something :
22:43 < DataGhost> :P
22:43 < DataGhost> bad thing about this game is that it takes about 5 minutes to start because I have over 4000 songs :(
22:44 < DerPapst> hehehehe
22:45 < DataGhost> hm, however I don't hear a lot of that in that specific song :o
22:45 < DataGhost> well, the 'effects' anyway
22:45 < DataGhost> they have other songs with a more distinct SID-chip influence, though :)
22:47 < DataGhost> yay, it's done :)
22:48 < PhinnFort> DataGhost: you heard about machinae supremacy?
22:49 < DataGhost> that _IS_ machinae supremacy
22:49 < DataGhost> :P
22:49 < PhinnFort> i know;)
22:49 < PhinnFort> <3 ms;)
22:50 < DerPapst> lol
22:50 < DerPapst> the last song is cool :)
22:54 < PhinnFort> DataGhost: you are one crazy ...
22:55 < DataGhost> heh
22:55 < PhinnFort> DataGhost: i have a guy here asking if you can upload the song for stepmania?
22:55 < DataGhost> which?
22:55 < PhinnFort> jets n guns
22:55 < DataGhost> he can download it from stepmania.com
22:56 < DataGhost> it's in the stepmix 2 contest
22:56 < DataGhost> bracket 1, i believe
22:56 < DataGhost> no
22:56 < DataGhost> bracket 2
22:56 < PhinnFort> ok
22:58 < DataGhost> does he play stepmania then?
22:59 < PhinnFort> yup
22:59 < PhinnFort> he's exhausted one dancemat too
22:59 < PhinnFort> at least
22:59 < DataGhost> lol
22:59 < DataGhost> I still need to buy one
23:00 < DataGhost> but still, I can play keyboard-only songs :)
23:00 < DataGhost> the ones in the movies I showed you are pretty much keyboard-only too, I guess
23:00 < DataGhost> or he will have to play a lower level
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23:00 < DataGhost> I would never be able to do that, though, dunno if he can
23:00 < DataGhost> my legs are too muscled -> too slow
23:01 < PhinnFort> he said you where a bit over his level
23:01  * AirHead has a really quick question: How do I get my system to recognize the toolchain binaries from anywhere on the system?
23:01 < PhinnFort> add them to your $PATH?
23:01 < AirHead> Sure, how?
23:01 < fxb> export PATH=/location/to/tolchain/:$PATH
23:02 < PhinnFort> http://kb.iu.edu/data/acar.html
23:02 < AirHead> so just enter that into a command prompt?
23:02 < PhinnFort> brb, his computer is in another room
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23:13 < PhinnFort> he didn't even come close;)
23:13 < PhinnFort> but he says he might be able to do it with a bit of training
23:14 < PhinnFort> what version of SM do you have?
23:14 < PhinnFort> he is arguing about the calculation of the score;)
23:14 < DataGhost> heh
23:14 < DataGhost> version 4
23:14 < DataGhost> latest binary version afaik
23:14 < DataGhost> why is he arguing about that by the way?
23:15 < PhinnFort> you got 18* something in score, in his version a 10-"footer" can have max. 10* something
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23:15 < DataGhost> heh?
23:15 < DataGhost> what version does he have then
23:15 < DataGhost> stepmania 3.9 should do those 'high' scores aswell
23:16 < DataGhost> it's because it's a long version
23:16 < DataGhost> I should have another screeny somewhere by the way
23:16 < DataGhost> from a marathon
23:16 < PhinnFort> he has a very old version
23:16 < DataGhost> http://fast.dataghost.com/screen00322.jpg hm, well there's another long :P
23:16 < PhinnFort> ah, ok
23:17 < PhinnFort> he didn't notice
23:17 < DataGhost> http://fast.dataghost.com/screen00317.jpg that's a marathon!
23:17 < DataGhost> :P
23:17 < PhinnFort> now he's going back to gray's anatomy
23:17 < DataGhost> hehe
23:17 < DataGhost> ok :)
23:18 < PhinnFort> we know a girl who might be talked into trying it on a mat, if we repair it first for her;)
23:23 < DataGhost> GAAAAAAAAAH!
23:23 < DataGhost> C on an 'easy' song
23:23 < PhinnFort> :P
23:23 < DataGhost> I have to play it on my laptop
23:23 < DataGhost> I can't press 3 or 4 keys at the same time on this keyboard
23:23 < DataGhost> and there were a f*#$( lot of those :/
23:24 < DataGhost> and the song is awesome
23:24 < DataGhost> grmbl
23:24 < DerPapst> ^ haha
23:24 < DataGhost> I can only play at 2/3 speed on my laptop because the screen is 'slow' :(
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23:36 < piratepenguin> somebody port stepmania to the ipod
23:36 < DataGhost> it's done already
23:36 < DataGhost> but I haven't seen it working
23:36 < piratepenguin> wow
23:36 < DataGhost> and it seems to crash a lot
23:36 < DataGhost> it locks my 4G iPod
23:37 < piratepenguin> heh.. cool idea tho. maybe someone will fix it up
23:37 < piratepenguin> someday /me sleeps
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