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00:19 < PSU_Boss^Laptop> mpd is the package i need to install to play music with ipodlinux, right?
00:21 < daniel_washere> Yes.
00:23 < PSU_Boss^Laptop> i did that, but when i boot it, i get errors:
00:24 < PSU_Boss^Laptop> "Line without colon in Module file for /mpdc, ignored"
00:24 < PSU_Boss^Laptop> and then while it is initializing modules, i get this error:  ""Unable to connect to MPD"
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02:32 < Alan2> when I try to install to install ipodlinux it tells me some packages aren't found
02:32 < Alan2> does this have to do with the ipod generation or the software, because I shouldn't be asking this question if it has to do with the generation
02:32 < Alan2> when I try to install to install ipodlinux it tells me some packages aren't found
02:40 < Alan2> please someone, I really can't be here for long
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02:43 < Alan2> do I have to like download the packages?
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02:43 < Alan2> is there one file I can just download?"
02:45 < Alan2> it must just be the new version that's mest up
02:46 < Alan2> 2.11 works
02:47 < Alan2> ugh
02:47 < Alan2> no it doesn't
02:47 < Alan2> more errors
02:54 < Alan2> and now the wiki wont work
02:54 < Alan2> gosh darn it
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04:05 < kick52> hi calamari
04:05 < calamari> hi kick52 
04:06 < calamari> 5 am?
04:06 < kick52> haven seen you for a while. hows things?
04:06 < kick52> yes, 5am.
04:06 < calamari> been real busy
04:06 < calamari> got your screenshot, thanks
04:06 < kick52> hows icurses?
04:07 < calamari> untouched
04:08 < kick52> yeah. i havent really done much with loadzilla, but i got it loading things. i have been doing some claymation.
04:17 < kick52> btw, what was the screenshot that i sent you?
04:24 < calamari> it was of a malfunctioning center command
04:24 < calamari> which I just fixed in the last few minutes :)
04:24 < kick52> cool..
04:24 < calamari> variable length arguments wasn't as bad as I was expecting
04:25 < calamari> in fact, vsnprintf made it dead simple
04:25 < calamari> afk
04:25 < kick52> i think youre on 0.0.9, so when will we be especting 0.1?
04:25 < calamari> 0.0.10 hehe
04:26 < calamari> I downloaded the kernel source and patched it.. was investigating the weird color stuff today
04:27 < calamari> seems that one guy was responsible for getting most of ipl to work.. and he hasn't posted since december 2005
04:34 < kick52> does the kernel patch work?
04:36 < calamari> I didn't try compiling anything
04:36 < calamari> I just wanted to look at the code, what has been changed, etc.
04:41 < kick52> oh right. i had trouble with loadzilla. nothing was loading, because '\r' is not the center button, '\n' is. some one must have ballsed it up on the key chart page. and then i had trouble with idoom. if i executed with the system() call, it would do a bit of loading, idoom would scroll a bit of text, and then lots of zeros and things would scroll down super fast. but i tried it with pz_exec and it works. im going to try and use vfork, to 
04:43 < kick52> claucher is 239lines, and mine is 300,but with vfork it should go down to 200~ and mine does more things.
04:48 < calamari> there, got left and right done too, dunno how useful they are but just for now
04:48 < calamari> now -> fun
04:48 < calamari> oh.. I was looking into the fonts a little.. it may be possible but I don't know how yet
04:49 < kick52> hehe. when are you going to upload?
04:52 < calamari> oh, you want it.. right now then
04:53 < kick52> no, not really. just wondering.
04:53 < calamari> ok.. any other features you were looking for ?
04:54 < kick52> hmm.... cant think... no, that should be fine.
04:57 < calamari> ok, uploaded 0.0.9
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04:58 < calamari> I changed demo4 to show how to use left/center/right
04:59 < kick52> i'll get my camera out! (hehe) hmm.. i thought you were on 0.0.9.. my bad.
05:02 < kick52> is there any development on keyboard_echo?
05:03 < calamari> nope
05:04 < calamari> seems that consolechars changes the font, and that uses libcfont.so.0
05:05 < calamari> so if I can compile it then maybe we have something
05:05 < kick52> cool demo!
05:06 < calamari> oh, it worked then? neat
05:08 < kick52> i'll send you the shot by mail.
05:08 < calamari> thanks
05:11 < kick52> works fine in the mac terminal aswell. have you fixed the test attributes? i wonder what stops them on pods...
05:13 < calamari> nope, thats what I was looking at the sources for
05:18 < kick52> email sent
05:19 < kick52> ok, im off to play a 5 minute game of UT, and i'll be back.
05:30 < calamari> kick52: wow, I think that's your clearest shot yet
05:30 < calamari> I wonder what that weird thing on the right side of the screen is
05:31 < calamari> almost seems like they didn't or couldn't clear all the video memory
05:33 < kick52> wierd thing? oh, im back. damn. my team didnt win. i hate that blue captain(oh, thats ut) let me take a look at that shot, and thanks
05:35 < calamari> looks like a very tall j .. hehe
05:35 < calamari> there are also some dots on the bottom
05:35 < kick52> dang, that is clear. and i always get that crap, but not in podzillaes. if doom frezes, and i restart, there will be little artifacts of doom on the bottom. wierd. a bit like my old imac, when it starts up, it flashes its old video memory on the screen.
05:36 < kick52> let me reboot from doom
05:36 < calamari> hehe
05:36 < calamari> sounds like another bug
05:37 < calamari> 2 more months then I can start figuring this junk out
05:37 < kick52> na, dont worry bout it. it only happens in the console anyway. i'll look at the other mini scren shots on the site and see if they have the artifacts.
05:38 < calamari> they do
05:38 < calamari> btw, about how wide is the screen?
05:38 < calamari> I'm just curious how small the letters are for you
05:39 < calamari> probably pretty tiny huh
05:40 < courtc> font size is not dependant on screen size.
05:40 < kick52> i reckon about 17-21 normal terminal characters by 15-17.
05:40 < kick52> got another shot of doom artifacts. email?
05:47 < calamari> sure
05:47 < calamari> about 6cm wide?
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05:49 < calamari> courtc: you sure about that?  seems like the same fonts on the nano would be smaller than on the mini since the screen is about the same size but higer rez
05:50 < kick52> i dont have a ruler at the moment..
05:50 < calamari> no prob
05:50 < calamari> was just curious hehe
05:51 < calamari> that's really a great shot tho.. what kind of camera equipment do you have?
05:51 < courtc> calamari: they will appear smaller on the nano, but they really aren't.
05:52 < calamari> courtc: well yeah :)
05:52 < kick52> i have a cheap and cheerful £30 ~$60 Visitaer
05:52 < calamari> is that the standard lens?
05:53 < kick52> ...Visitar ViviCam 3660. not that amazing, but im using the super macro lens. (sorry, i accidently pressed enter rather than backspace)
05:53 < calamari> ahh hehe
05:53 < calamari> my wife wants a digital camera for christmas.. haven't picked one yet
05:53 < calamari> probably will spend $200-300
05:54 < kick52> its only 3MP, and i was using it at 2MP, but you can change it to go to 6MP.
06:02 < kick52> ok, i am going to test loadzilla with execl
06:03 < kick52> ok, i think it works! just need to put a chdir() in.
06:05 < calamari> cool
06:06 < kick52> if this works, my code will be 170lines, and does more than clauncher! (i think)
06:08 < kick52> i think i will replace lots of if statments with switches so i can save lines..
06:08 < calamari> hehe
06:08 < calamari> do you have an interactive menu?
06:09 < kick52> well it is sort of interactive, but i mean the switch and case functions.
06:09 < calamari> I guess my menu routines aren't that great because the inverse video isn't working properly
06:11 < kick52> well, i didnt use my menu thing because i didnt like yours, its just that i didnt need a big menu and i havent looked at your menu much.
06:11 < kick52> maybe i could make a function that puts my menu in.
06:12 < kick52> well, selector, not really a menu...
06:17 < kick52> ok, sized it down to 150lines (by cheating alot)
06:19 < calamari> I think I've picked a color scheme that should give reverse video that is reasonable on all ipods
06:20 < calamari> now to find something for dark text
06:21 < kick52> nice. i got idoom working. bye bye 120-line-long-pz_exec!
06:25 < kick52> down to 119 lines.
06:25 < kick52> hmm, problem running idoom. once i run it, it doesnt go back to loadzilla. it says "Execution Finished, Exiting" hmm....
06:32 < calamari> okay I'm getting tired.. I want to add a left/center/right option for the menu
06:33 < calamari> so we can save that one for tomorrow or such
06:33 < calamari> then maybe you can cut down the lines even more.. who knows
06:33 < kick52> will you be on tommorow?
06:33 < calamari> I can't say for certain
06:33 < kick52> ok. i'll email you if anything intresting happens
06:34 < calamari> okay
06:34 < calamari> ttyl, thanks for the pic :)
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09:43 < bmxr> new wiki page up for anyone who cares http://www.ipodlinux.org/Keychain
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15:42 < WoOHoO> is ipod nano 1st generation supported with auto-installation
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16:52 < kick52> what up guys?
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17:22 < joern> hi
17:23 < joern> can somebody help me i'am compiling uc linux and getting the following error during the "make" process
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17:23 < joern> /bin/sh: arm-linux-gcc: command not found 
17:24 < optimusprime_> i've a question.....how do you get kernel updated?
17:25 < kick52> you shouldn't be building a linux kernel, if you dont know what that error means.
17:25 < optimusprime_> all I get when I try to run ipodlinux is "err: couldn't read 512 bytes"
17:26 < optimusprime_> I'm not trying to build a kernel
17:26 < kick52> no, i was talking to joern
17:26 < optimusprime_> oh
17:27 < joern> @kick52: thank you that is very helpfull, i think there's something wrong with the toolchain
17:27 < joern> but i installed it correctly
17:27 < kick52> you need to change your path. what Os are you using, and what toolchain have you installed?
17:29 < joern> i use ubuntu and the toolchain is ARM-ELF toolchain
17:29 < joern>         Since the linux 2.6 kernel code uses some new features of newer binutils, you need a newer ARM-ELF toolchain for kernel compilation than the one of uclinux.org. You could find the latest toolchain at the same place with the kernel and patch download section above, and the direct url at current time is :
17:29 < joern>         http://adam.kaist.ac.kr/~hschoe/download/arm-elf-tools-20040427.sh
17:31 < optimusprime_> http://ipodlinux.org/builds/YYYYMMDD-kernel.bin.gz
17:31 < optimusprime_> is that normal?
17:31 < courtc> joern: heh. The kernel is tricky. You actually need an *older* toolchain to compile 2.4.24
17:33 < courtc> You can compile the experimental kernel with my 3.4.3 toolchain, provided on the wiki.
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17:34 < josh>                    which physics-major-required courses suggested that I only do fourteen credit hours that semester;
17:34 < josh> Erm. Ignore that. Stupid right-click paste.
17:34 < josh> (And that line's not in reference to me, if any of you are curious.)
17:40 < joern> no i want to compile an 2.6.5 kernel
17:40 < BleuLlama> what advantages will 2.6.x kernel give you over 2.4.x for uclinux/ipodlinux?
17:40 < joern> i added /usr/local/bin to path
17:42 < BleuLlama> joern: that question was for you.
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17:43 < joern> i don't know uClinux is totally new for me, the first step for me is to compile a kernel an simulate it
17:45 < joern> http://www.ulrichradig.de/site/arm_projekts/ARM_uClinux_Projekt/doc/readme.txt  <-- i used this example
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18:17 < robink93> how do i start linux on my ipod?
18:17 < joern> press the power button ;-)
18:18 < robink93> ehh.. Lol, when i press  the "on" button (i have ipod mini) it comes up Apples thing...
18:18 < robink93> on=play
18:18 < BleuLlama> robink93: what do the docs say to boot it up?
18:18 < robink93> :(
18:18 < robink93> docs?
18:19 < kick52> hold rewind on boot
18:19 < robink93> Boot? how do i boot?
18:20 < robink93> when i press play, it starts directly
18:20 < kick52> turn on. hold down rewind
18:21 < robink93> but DIRECTLY when i press play, the apple thing comes up, the system don't shut down, it goes in stand by
18:21 < kick52> restart it then. menu + center hold it down
18:22 < robink93> thx :)
18:23 < robink93> now it comes up a smiling computer, then the apple ting again :O
18:23 < kick52> did you hold down rewind?
18:23 < robink93> yes
18:23 < robink93> i´m swedish...
18:23 < kick52> youre not on hold?
18:23 < robink93> rewind = backwards, right?
18:24 < kick52> yes
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18:24 < kick52> ok, restart it and quickly put it on hold
18:24 < robink93> Nooow
18:24 < robink93> Yesss
18:24 < robink93> :)
18:24 < robink93>  thanks
18:27 < robink93> Yahoo =)
18:27 < optimusprime_> I'm trying to install from linux (ubuntu) I'm getting different readings when I use the "mount" command and the "cat /proc/scsi/scsi"
18:29 < optimusprime_> for instance I get scsi2 when I use the "cat" and sda2 when I mount
18:29 < optimusprime_> it's confusing
18:32 < robink93> i´m confused x)
18:32 < robink93> but how do i insert things on my ipod?
18:32 < robink93> things=apps
18:33 < kick52> you mean "how do i install apps on my ipod?" well, normaly you can download them and put them on your ipod using your computer
18:34 < kick52> guys: who made clauncher again?
18:34 < robink93> Install. right, but how?
18:34 < robink93> where?
18:35 < robink93> i put the ipod into disk mode, then i dont find anything on the pc :S
18:35 < BleuLlama> robink93: please read the wiki.  this is covered in the faq or troubleshooting 
18:36 < optimusprime_> scsi2=sdb?
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18:38 < robink93> i don´t understand :O
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18:44 < kick52> bluellama: do you know who made clauncher? i have managed to get my idoom loading without pz_exec, but it doesnt go back to my loader any more... anyway, i have nearly completed loadzilla, with a fraction of the lines needed to make clauncher. but mine does more stuff. i'll releae it soon
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18:46 < BleuLlama> go to the clauncher page on the wiki, and read it there, or do a search on the forums.
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19:43 < iMod> Hey
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20:34 < Alan2> What file do I need to download for MAME (source or binary) and how do I install it?
20:34 < kick52> ipodlinux.org/mame search for it next time
20:34 < Alan2> i found it, just I don't know how to install it
20:35 < Alan2> I mean how do you install a module
20:35 < kick52> what com/OS are you om?
20:35 < kick52> on?
20:36 < Alan2> I'm on Windows
20:41 < kick52>  unless you have a linux box/unix/mac spare, you need to create a start file, which tells the ipod to copy files to places on boot, because ipodlinux is on a partition of the hard drive that windows cant see. 
20:43 < Alan2> ok
20:43 < Alan2> I do have a linux computer in my house
20:43 < Alan2> so I would download it on to it, then what?
20:43 < Alan2> now the binary I should download right?
20:50 < Alan2> hmm...it says an unknown error occured
20:50 < Alan2> how do I do this in windows then
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20:50 < kick52> good. you need to connect and mount your ipod, and copy the module folder to /usr/lib or something
20:52 < kick52> you need to make a start file copying files to /usr/lib/ using cp
21:02 < Alan2> ok sorry I was gone
21:03 < Alan2> wait
21:03 < Alan2> so are you saying use linux or windows?
21:04 < kick52> well, linux would be the easiest, but if you cant, you have to use windows, and make a start file. search for it on teh wiki.
21:04 < Alan2> ok
21:04 < kick52> are you experienced with the unix command line?
21:05 < Alan2> not much
21:05 < Alan2> somewhat though
21:05 < kick52> you can copy files and stuff though?
21:05 < Alan2> yeah sorta
21:05 < Alan2> well I know cp is copy ;)
21:05 < Alan2> so what should I have as the start file
21:05 < Alan2> cp what?
21:06 < Alan2> and it's the binary I need right?
21:06 < kick52> well, are you using pz2?
21:06 < Alan2> not sure
21:07 < kick52> if so, you will want to use the module. find out what podzilla you have. what does it say in settings->about?
21:08 < Alan2> well it says 2005-04-17
21:14  * Alan2 does see 2.4.24 if that matters
21:18 < kick52> i dont know. how did you install it?
21:18 < kick52> does it have a music menu at the top?
21:20 < Alan2> it says music
21:20 < Alan2> not like a music menu
21:20  * Alan2 did this a while ago though
21:20 < Alan2> how would I update it?
21:21 < Alan2> oh I see there's instructions
21:21 < Alan2> I'll do that now :)
21:21 < kick52> i think you have podzilla 1. download the new installer2 and enable start files and install pz2
21:29 < Alan2> yeah I did
21:29 < Alan2> installer2 wont work, i'm doing it manually
21:30 < Alan2> and I think I'm almost done
21:34 < Alan2> installed :)
21:34 < Alan2> it seems the included modules didn't copy though
21:35  * Alan2 used the windows part on http://www.ipodlinux.org/Podzilla#Windows
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21:57 < Alan2> why wont it boot into podzilla?
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22:01 < kick52> i dont know. edited your rc file?
22:01 < kick52> you are not giving me enough detail 
22:02 < Alan2> sorry
22:02 < Alan2> I have the start file
22:02 < Alan2> and I have the modules in the module file
22:02 < Alan2> *folder
22:02 < Alan2>     mv /hp/modules/* /usr/lib/
22:02 < Alan2>     rm -r /hp/modules/*
22:02 < Alan2> that's what it uses
22:02 < Alan2> it doesn't move
22:07 < kick52> you may of just moved the whole modules foldes into /usr/lib or overwritten it. go on the filebrowser in podzilla and have a look
22:08 < Alan2> ok
22:09 < Alan2> well it didn't even boot into podzilla2
22:09 < Alan2> it kept at the terminal where it is before it loads
22:09 < kick52> you need to sort that out.
22:09 < kick52> just try installuing with installer2
22:09 < Alan2> no
22:09 < Alan2> that wont work
22:10 < Alan2> it says it can't recognize it or something
22:10 < kick52> what ipod do you have?
22:11 < kick52> ok, download itunes, put a sog on your ipod and take it off, and try installer agaiin.
22:12 < Alan2> I have itunes7 which I think is the problem
22:12 < Alan2> photo
22:13 < kick52> have you moved a few songs about? try downgrading the firmware
22:17 < Alan2> it wont let me downgrade
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22:28 < calamari> hi
22:28 < Alan2> hi
22:28 < kick52> hey! check out my loadzilla page: www.ipodlinux.org/loadzilla
22:32 < Alan2> is there a program I can get to access the firmware partition?
22:33 < calamari> kick52: neao!
22:33 < calamari> that's pretty cool
22:33 < kick52> just need to zip the folder, and i'll have it uploaded
22:43 < kick52> yay! got download up.. (<- play on words)
22:43 < kick52> its got the source code and the ipod binary
22:46 < calamari> should put the LICENSE file in there if you are including my code in the archive
22:46 < kick52> oh crap yes...
22:47 < kick52> wouldnt that then make my code GPL?
22:48 < calamari> yes.. I didn't release it under the LGPL
22:49 < calamari> although maybe I should
22:49 < kick52> ok. fixinateted.
22:50 < kick52> oh, btw loadzilla: 80 lines!
22:51  * calamari tries it out
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23:00 < kick52> how is it?
23:01 < calamari> it's simple, which is of course nice
23:03 < kick52> im quite proud that i got rid of pz_exec(that line hogging, vt messin', complicated annoyance...) do you know if execl() quits the current app before launching the next?
23:03 < calamari> I don't know.. have never used it before
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23:06 < kick52> hmm.. i'll try exec() and see if that works.
23:08 < calamari> kick52: mind if I experiment with a few changes to your program?
23:08 < kick52> no, its fine. what were you gonna do?
23:17 < kick52> calamari: you had that picture whoch said: calamari: the late night hacker. whats your latest?
23:17 < calamari> kick52: you mean which picture?
23:18 < kick52> on your artwork bit
23:18 < calamari> hmm.. that reminds me.. I should draw another picture for the "kid" squid running around here 
23:18 < calamari> the one where we are getting married
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23:19 < calamari> kick52: I wanted to see how it would work with my menu routine
23:19 < calamari> kick52: also was curious about reading the program names and paths from a data file 
23:20 < calamari> why is it that some use system and idoom uses execl ?
23:20 < calamari> do the other ones never exit?
23:21 < kick52> yes. i thought about that, but then thought that i would do file reading later. i did some in system() because they worked, but system() and idoom wouldnt, so i changed it. the annoying thing is that idoom quits, but doesnt go back to loadzilla
23:21 < calamari> oic
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23:26 < remicarreiro> si
23:27 < kick52> im trying to solve the problem now.
23:29 < remicarreiro> which is?
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23:30 < kick52> oh, i was speaking to somone else. how are you getting on with the menu calamari?
23:31 < BHSPitLappy> is loadzilla more configurable than clauncher?
23:31 < BHSPitLappy> oh, I can see that you're discussing that no
23:31 < BHSPitLappy> ...w
23:31 < kick52> well, it isnt configurable at the moment but im thinking about it. (my first c app)
23:32 < BHSPitLappy> mine too.
23:32 < BHSPitLappy> first and only, as it stands
23:32 < kick52> what are you wrting?
23:32 < BHSPitLappy> since I kind of departed programming after it
23:32 < BHSPitLappy> I haven't the time to do anything I want to do
23:33 < calamari> kick52: haven't worked on it yet.. got hungry
23:34 < kick52> yeah.. go fix a nice sandwhich.
23:50 < kick52> hmmm.... im getting annoyed at this execl().
23:51 < kick52> ok, calamari. im going to bed (12:55) see you another time.
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