--- Log opened Thu Oct 05 00:00:04 2006 00:12 -!- dark [i=deviled_@unaffiliated/darkx] has quit ["changing servers"] 00:12 -!- dark [i=deviled_@microsoft.gotrooted.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:16 -!- dark [i=deviled_@microsoft.gotrooted.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:16 -!- ankit_ [n=chatzill@c-69-248-121-108.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:18 -!- dark [n=dark@microsoft.gotrooted.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:18 < ankit_> when i try to run a binary and it says "BINFMT_FLAT: bad magic..." how do i fix it? 00:30 < NsN_Bar> Compile it using the right compiler. What binary are you tring to run? 00:30 -!- NsN_Bar is now known as NsN 00:30 < jannis> try adding "-elf2flt" to the CFLAGS 00:32 < ankit_> actually it was a shell script 00:32 < ankit_> the problem: no #/bin/sh 00:32 < ankit_> thanks though 00:32 -!- ankit_ [n=chatzill@c-69-248-121-108.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]"] 00:39 < NsN> It's 3 o'clock in the morning == time to go to bed. Goodnight everybody... 00:39 -!- NsN [i=Gaspode@wh391.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [] 00:40 -!- daniel_washere [n=daniel_w@48.68.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 00:50 -!- jannis [n=jannis@R53a4.r.pppool.de] has quit ["Krip going offline"] 00:50 -!- polok_ [n=polok@124-168-46-33.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 00:50 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:53 -!- dave7777 [n=david_dl@222-152-29-76.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 00:53 < dave7777> hello 00:53 < dave7777> I've just installed iPL on my 4G ipod, and wish to get recording working 00:54 < dave7777> The wiki refers to a Recording option under Extras, but mine only has demos and games 00:54 < polok_> polok: die already :( 00:54 < dave7777> does anyone know how to enable recording? 00:56 -!- dave7777 [n=david_dl@222-152-29-76.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 00:59 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:59 -!- DevHace [n=chatzill@ppp-68-78-154-30.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:59 < DevHace> OMFGBBQ! 00:59 < DevHace> WHY 00:59 < DevHace> Ranix is banned?! 01:00 < DevHace> Why would someone do this? 01:00 * DevHace looks at FXB 01:00 -!- MikeJohnson [n=Ranix@c-24-125-45-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 01:01 -!- MikeJohnson [n=Ranix@c-24-125-45-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:01 < DevHace> EY 01:01 < DevHace> PEEPS 01:04 < DevHace> Why is it that this place is always so dead? 01:05 < calamari> DevHace: being dead is a good thing.. when it is alive it is usually due to windows users with no clue 01:05 < DevHace> Haha...? 01:06 < DevHace> Well I just came to ask what of Ranix's ban? He is the heart and soul of the forums@ 01:06 < DevHace> *! 01:06 -!- polok [n=polok@124-168-46-33.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:11 -!- NsN [i=Gaspode@wh391.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #ipodlinux 01:12 < NsN> DevHace: Where does it say that ranix is banned? 01:12 < DevHace> Hey Gaspode, know why Ranix was banz0rzed? 01:12 < DevHace> It doesn't. That 01:13 < DevHace> *thats just it 01:13 < NsN> I would guess that it probably has something to do with this thread: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18180&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 01:13 < DevHace> http://ranixrly.com/forums/index.php?topic=945.0 01:13 < DevHace> But he practically is the forums. He's a freakin legend 01:14 < NsN> There is no "Banned" notifier under his Avatar on the forum though... 01:15 < BleuLlama> i think jonrelay summed it up pretty well 01:15 < DevHace> I know. Makes me think that they dont want anyone to know 01:15 < DevHace> What? 01:15 < DevHace> Why? 01:15 < DevHace> :( 01:15 < DevHace> Never heard what Jonathynne had to say 01:16 < NsN> Last post in the thread i linked... 01:17 < DevHace> You guys need to get something straight. He never disobeys the rules. He just takes it as far as it can go without. 01:18 < BleuLlama> and that isn't supposed to aggravate us? 01:18 < BleuLlama> it's uncalled for. 01:18 < DevHace> Whoever banned him *technically* abused their powers. 01:19 < DevHace> And you cant ignore that? There are people much worse then him (lol, cray) 01:19 < BleuLlama> his (and your) (and my) ability to post there isn't a right, it's a privlidge 01:19 < NsN> I understand why he got banned, i'm just windering that there is no official "you're banned" post and no "banned" sign below his avatar... 01:20 < DevHace> Right. Absolutely no humor. iPodlinux is not about fun, or having a good time. It's about work. Not for money or anything either. 01:20 < DevHace> Basically 01:20 < DevHace> It's a slave situation 01:20 < DevHace> As I see it 01:20 < BleuLlama> he's the one out of line. 01:20 < BleuLlama> if you don't like it, click the little [X] 01:20 * BleuLlama wanders away 01:20 < DevHace> As I explained, he isnt out of line 01:20 < DevHace> Or, yea, just go ahead and leave 01:22 < NsN> Well, every minute the moderators have to restrain him is aminute they can't spend improving ipl (most of the mods are coders) so in generall it is for the good of ipl 01:22 < NsN> Especially since there were a lot of s in that thread 01:22 -!- Ranix [n=Ranix@c-24-125-45-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 01:23 < Ranix> hey, I think there is a problem with my account 01:23 < Ranix> I think someone changed my pass 01:23 < DevHace> Terra isnt a coder. Jonrelay (to my knowledge) isnt a coder. Joey isnt a coder. I dont think FXB is a coder. And BHolland isnt one either 01:23 < Ranix> I was just about to tell ElvisF what a great job those pics were 01:23 < Ranix> lol, that guy has a great hi-res camera 01:23 < Ranix> I need one of those 01:24 < BleuLlama> fxb and jonrelay *are* coders, and have made a lot of contributions to the project, when they're not working on admin stuff 01:24 < NsN> I think Jonrelay did something with the icon ui, fxb did some modules and is working on a lunar lander game, bholland did the colour port of iboy 01:24 < NsN> Joey did mopid 01:24 < BleuLlama> jonrelay did all of the text input, many schemes, and some other things 01:24 < DevHace> They didnt add directly to iPL itself though, is what I mean. 01:24 < DevHace> Well 01:24 < DevHace> Okay 01:24 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 01:24 < DevHace> Then Jonrelay is one 01:24 < NsN> fxb added some stuff to hotdog in the last weeks 01:25 < DevHace> Whatever. That's not even my point. 01:25 < BleuLlama> fxb made a lot of enhancements to podzilla2 01:25 < DevHace> He didnt do anything to deserve "attention" from mods anyway. 01:25 < Ranix> hey, admins, I think someone changed my pass, can you do a private it chat on IRC and tell me what it is? 01:25 < BleuLlama> i don't even go to the forums anymore. 01:25 < Ranix> ah 01:25 < BleuLlama> i don't think i have admin privs there other than deleting posts 01:25 < Ranix> can you change to something random and tell me then? 01:26 < Ranix> oh 01:26 < DevHace> Ranix. I fear you were right. 01:26 < DevHace> You were banned!!! :'( 01:27 < BleuLlama> btw, Ranix; i was the one who made the O RLY headers for the site this past April 1. ;) 01:27 < DevHace> So then you <3 him? 01:27 < DevHace> Help the cause! 01:27 < NsN> Ranix: There is no official post explaining that you were banned, and no "banned" sign under your avatar, but there is a warning by jonrelay. might be some kind of temporary ban? 01:28 < BleuLlama> i don't really think either way, to be honest. i haven't seen any code contributions, which is all i'm exposed to. *shrug* 01:28 < Ranix> I was banned? Get out of town! 01:28 < Ranix> maybe a temp ban like NsN said 01:28 < Ranix> but then, I'd ahve a yellow user title right? 01:28 < Ranix> I've seen khiophan with one before he was perma banned 01:29 < Ranix> srry 01:29 < Ranix> Thats "ON PROBATION" 01:29 < Ranix> nvm 01:29 < calamari> Ranix: jsut curious what was so censored... 01:29 < calamari> just misc nonsense? 01:30 < DevHace> I think I remember it all just being midly offensive 01:30 < Ranix> heh, even I dont remember 01:30 < Ranix> STML 01:31 < Ranix> (short term memory loss) 01:31 < calamari> all the screenshots on one page http://kidsquid.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=ipod 01:31 < calamari> (icurses tests) 01:31 < NsN> Anyway i'm pretty sure that most of the european mods are asleep by now, i'm going to do the same. G'Night (this time for real) 01:32 < calamari> I need to do some debugging of the display driver 01:32 < NsN> btw calamari: fxb has a photo ipod IIRC... 01:32 < DevHace> What time is it over thar? 01:32 < Ranix> +5 or +6 01:32 < calamari> NsN: thanks, I'll edit it 01:32 < NsN> 4 o'clock in the morning 01:32 < BleuLlama> imo, any amount of "offensive" has no place in the forums, or anywhere related to the project 01:32 < DevHace> Hah 01:32 < DevHace> Okay see ya 01:32 -!- NsN [i=Gaspode@wh391.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has left #ipodlinux [] 01:32 < BleuLlama> if you offend someone that might have positively contributed, they might leave 01:32 -!- JackyD [i=D@69.177.210.72] has joined #ipodlinux 01:32 < Ranix> well, I hope we can figure this out 01:32 < Ranix> g2g 01:33 -!- Ranix [n=Ranix@c-24-125-45-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit ["lol, xbox 360"] 01:33 < DevHace> So... Mr. Meat should be banned then too? People tell stories 01:33 < DevHace> Of his cruelty 01:33 < BleuLlama> aall of us have been on the other end of that stuff growing up, and there's no place for that here 01:33 < BleuLlama> these forums and this channel were set up so we could be nice to eachother and help eachother out, not the opposite 01:34 < DevHace> O rly? You guys all claim to have lives and friends and stuff 01:34 -!- polok_ is now known as polok 01:34 < BleuLlama> DevHace: some of us do now, yep. 01:34 < DevHace> Sry you got made fun of 'n stuff 01:34 < calamari> DevHace: why is this your battle? 01:34 < JackyD> so, knowing that 5G isnt supported, has anyone attempted it yet ? :) 01:34 < BleuLlama> please spell out your words in here 01:34 < BleuLlama> JackyD: older 5g works fine. new 5g does not 01:34 < DevHace> Huh? Wordz? 01:35 < BleuLlama> `spelling 01:35 < iplbot> If I see you doing any of those horrible txting abbreviations like 'u' for "you" and 'r' for "are" again, I'm going to punch you. Hard. Consider this to be your only warning. [from BleuLlama] 01:35 < JackyD> New 5G being Sept06+ ? 01:35 < BleuLlama> JackyD: correct. 5g enhanced 01:35 < calamari> ahh the infamous 5.5G 01:35 < BleuLlama> yep 01:36 < DevHace> You serious? All my typing has been as close to perfect as it can be. I type how I talk. I can't make non useless abreviations? 01:36 * calamari is glad he is getting the 5.0 01:36 < BleuLlama> dude, i just asked. try not to do it. why are you on such a major defensive? 01:36 < JackyD> i was going to pick up a new 5G. i have seen it run on a 4G before. think it will eventually be doable ? 01:36 < BleuLlama> eventually, yeah 01:36 < DevHace> Well it said I got one warning, sounded serious. Sorry. 01:37 < DevHace> Maybe you oughta make that warning less serious 01:37 < calamari> refurb 30gb 5.0g was $170 at the apple store 01:37 < DevHace> ! 01:37 < DevHace> Wow 01:37 < JackyD> wow 01:37 < DevHace> Hah 01:37 < BleuLlama> yeah. 5.0g refurbs are a good price 01:37 < DevHace> I may not go the way of getting a free one. 01:38 < DevHace> (If I dont find peeps who will help mah) 01:38 < JackyD> is thre a massive hardware change in 5.5 ? If it is only the backlighting plus software changes and im going to put linux on it anyway, is there any reason to go with the new ? 01:38 < DevHace> New LCD right? 01:39 < JackyD> yes 01:39 < JackyD> i know theres a much brighter lcd 01:39 < BleuLlama> different block size on the drive is the major difference 01:39 < BleuLlama> the LCD is electrically the same 01:39 < DevHace> Oh 01:39 < BleuLlama> (from what we can tell) 01:39 < DevHace> I figured it'd be different 01:39 < DevHace> With the whole HDD thing 01:39 < BleuLlama> different manufacturer 01:39 < DevHace> It'll just take a few tests to get it right then, right? 01:39 < BleuLlama> HDD thing? 01:40 < BleuLlama> well, the install, format, and firmware build procedures need to be updated 01:40 < BleuLlama> it's tricky. 01:40 < DevHace> Didnt know it was. 01:40 < DevHace> I'm a n00b. 01:40 < JackyD> so the current major limitation is the block size on the drives partition ? 01:40 < BleuLlama> someone got loader2 and i think rockbox working, but nothing ipl related, i believe 01:41 < BleuLlama> JackyD: yes, but that's a lot of getting it going 01:41 < JackyD> i understand that 01:41 < BleuLlama> :) 01:41 < JackyD> when its the thing limiting you from doing testing also :) 01:42 * DevHace makes a quick mention to this http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18321&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 and wonders why Ranix gets a warning for things far less spam-ish 01:42 < BleuLlama> yeah. i'd be working on it more, but i'm sidetracked on some contract (paying) work, and i don't want to keep re-copying my 70gb of stuff to the ipod. ;) 01:45 < JackyD> wow 01:45 < JackyD> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/StoreReentry.wo?cid=AOSA10000052066&siteID=3Ek*YLydb5M-RxnxGvPE9*kDksORjriB4A&family=Certified 01:45 < JackyD> refurbs right there 01:45 < JackyD> free ship 01:46 < DevHace> Ya 01:49 < JackyD> still dont know if i want to get the 5G or 5.5 01:49 < JackyD> im still thinking the 5.5 01:49 < DevHace> Why? 01:49 < DevHace> What's better about it. 01:49 < DevHace> The regular 5g is cheaper 01:49 < DevHace> By a lot 01:50 < JackyD> hrmm.. i guess it wouldnt add anything to the linux end 01:50 < JackyD> other than the brighter screen 01:50 < BleuLlama> i went for the 5.5, cause i had the money, needed >60gb, and wanted the better/brighter screen 01:50 < DevHace> And the only thing the 5.5g has going on for it is the screen 01:50 < DevHace> ??? 01:50 -!- Borat [n=shayan@ip68-101-106-222.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:50 < DevHace> Why do you need 80gb lol 01:50 < DevHace> Dang 01:50 < DevHace> I mean 01:50 < DevHace> hahahah? 01:50 < DevHace> Sorry 01:50 -!- Stern [n=Stern@ool-44c51b38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:50 < BleuLlama> cause all of my music is 60gb, and i want to have movies on it as well. 01:50 < Borat> Hey, do you need to have bootloader to install IBOY? 01:51 < BleuLlama> it's nice to have for work 01:51 < DevHace> Yea but you dont listen to 60gb of music in a day. 01:51 < DevHace> Hey I had the same mindset for ever 01:51 < DevHace> I have like 20gb 01:51 < Borat> DevHace: Well not all of it is music... 01:51 < BleuLlama> i also don't want to have to sync and wait for files to copy every morning 01:51 < DevHace> So I was like "30gb!!!!" 01:51 < BleuLlama> it's much nicer to have it all just there. 01:51 < Stern> Borat: i suggest that you just follow the instructions 01:51 < DevHace> But then my iPod broke 01:51 < DevHace> And I was stuck with my 256mb iriver 01:51 < DevHace> And guess what 01:51 < DevHace> It's fine hahahhaa 01:52 < JackyD> i had the original Rio PMP300 the day it came out :) 01:52 < JackyD> $350 for 32meg 01:52 < BleuLlama> yeah, and after my 20gb died, i had to use my 1gb nano, and it was too frustrating to use 01:52 < Borat> Stern: I have been told that i need to modify the loader.cfg, and the only way to have a loader.cfg, is to have bootloader 2.4 01:52 < DevHace> Though I do want an iPod still. Anyways, to sum up my rambling, you dont need as much space as you think you do 01:52 < BleuLlama> had to decide what i wanted to listen to for the whole day in the morning, same with podcasts 01:53 < Borat> Stern: so i installed 2.4 accordingly to the guide and it would always boot into ipodlinux vanilla. 01:53 < DevHace> What's it all like 320kb/s VBR? 01:53 < BleuLlama> my stuff? 01:53 < BleuLlama> 128k AAC 01:53 < DevHace> Huh... that's still more then you can listen to in a long time :) 01:53 < BleuLlama> some 128K mp3 too , but not much 01:54 < DevHace> Whatever. I'll stop my arguing now. 01:54 < JackyD> bb in a few. Southpark w/ WoW and what not 01:54 < JackyD> :) 01:54 < DevHace> Oh right! Thanks for reminding me!!!! 01:55 < Borat> Can someone help me install loader 2? 01:55 < Stern> Borat: just use installer2... 01:56 < Borat> Stern: Can you link me? 01:56 < Stern> ... 01:56 < Stern> um... 01:56 < Stern> wiki? 01:56 < Borat> thanks, 01:56 < Stern> main page? 01:58 < Borat> Stern: oh, i have been using an old installer from the past. 01:59 < Borat> Stern: does this automatically put Loader2,4 on it? 01:59 < Stern> yes 01:59 < Stern> it should 02:00 < calamari> hmm, looks like it was $180.. sorry bout that 02:00 < JackyD> the Refurbished iPod 30GB - White for $179 is the 5G correct ? 02:01 < BleuLlama> should be 02:01 < BleuLlama> that sounds right 02:01 < Borat> Stern: thanks, off to try that now.. 02:05 -!- canuckbot [n=irc@12-227-164-200.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:09 -!- calamari [n=Kid@cb03.cs.arizona.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:28 -!- Borat [n=shayan@ip68-101-106-222.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:28 -!- Ranix [n=Ranix@c-24-125-45-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 02:29 < Ranix> back 02:30 < DevHace> Awsome SP 02:31 < Ranix> yea the password isn't working still 02:38 < Ranix> dang it, I was just about to compliment jgjake on his application installer 2 02:40 -!- daniel_washere [n=daniel_w@48.68.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:59 -!- Borat [n=shayan@ip68-101-106-222.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:59 < Borat> Hey guys, im getting a prob with the ipod installer 2, that says something was wrong wiht my system info, is anyone else getting that? 03:04 < Ranix> you need to downgrade then upgrade with the 01/10/06 03:04 < Ranix> for it too work 03:05 -!- [Sur`DataGhost] [i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 03:05 -!- DataGhost [i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:08 < Stern> Borat: you can use the 3-23 updater, it's the newest one that you can use 03:09 < Borat> Stern: is that on the wiki? 03:09 -!- Luke [n=Luke@74.132.239.95] has joined #ipodlinux 03:09 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 03:10 < Borat> Stern: I searched the wiki, not there, are you talking about the ipod updater form apples website? 03:10 < Stern> no 03:11 < Borat> then wich one? 03:12 < Stern> hrm 03:12 < Stern> must have taken down the links 03:12 < Ranix> hold up 03:13 < Ranix> wait 03:14 < Ranix> the 3/23 one is from 2005, and the 1/10 one is from 2006 03:14 < Ranix> he should use the 1/10 03:14 < Ranix> woops 03:14 < Ranix> nvm 03:14 < Ranix> http://www.ipodwizard.net/updaters/windows/iPodSetup%202006-03-23.zip 03:14 < Stern> lol 03:14 < Ranix> what are the chances of a 3/23/05 one and a 3/23/06 one? 03:15 < Stern> are there really both? 03:16 < Borat> thanks rainx 03:16 < Ranix> yea 03:17 < Stern> wow 03:28 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:28 -!- hhehw_ [n=hhehw@pool-68-237-20-197.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:28 -!- hhehw [n=hhehw@pool-68-237-20-197.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:35 < JackyD> hah 03:37 < Ranix> I broke my G-string while fingering a minor :( 03:37 < Ranix> I was trying to play Knocking on Heaven's Door. 03:37 < Ranix> Ah well 03:37 < Ranix> time to buy new strings anyway 03:37 < Stern> :( 03:38 < Zol> guitar or bass? 03:38 < Zol> or something classical? 03:38 < Ranix> banjo 03:38 < Zol> lol :p 03:38 < Ranix> acually, i really play alto sax 03:38 < Zol> nice! 03:38 < Ranix> I just said the g-string part because some people can read it wrong 03:38 < Ranix> if yo now what I mean 03:38 < Zol> yeah :P 03:39 < Zol> classically or jazz? 03:39 < Zol> or pop (yuck!) 03:39 < Stern> Ranix: lol 03:39 < Stern> "I broke my g-string while fingering a minor" 03:39 < Stern> great quote 03:39 < Zol> yeah 03:39 < Ranix> yep 03:39 < Ranix> Zol: jazz 03:39 < Zol> i read that wrong when first reading it too :p 03:39 < Stern> Ranix: you play alto, cool... i play tenor 03:39 < Zol> !! sweet high five! 03:39 < Zol> i play jazz piano and bass 03:39 < Stern> cool 03:39 * Ranix high fives 03:39 < Zol> just learning the bass though 03:40 < Ranix> my friend plays bass 03:40 < Stern> lol 03:40 < Zol> kills the fingers 03:40 < Stern> play bass too 03:40 < BleuLlama> try to keep it on topic in here, please. 03:40 < Ranix> but he isnt good :-0 03:40 < Stern> BleuLlama: sorry... 03:40 < Zol> sowwy :( 03:40 < Stern> lol 03:40 < Ranix> hey, this friend of mine plays guitaar 03:40 < Ranix> sorry, i got to say this bleu 03:40 < Stern> lol ranix keeps on going 03:40 < Stern> :-P 03:40 < Ranix> and he played it so much that he got surgury from playing that and counter strike all day 03:40 < BleuLlama> Ranix: i know your penchant for trying to tweak us, but please try to contain yourself. 03:41 < Stern> BleuLlama: there isn't much of a topic though lol... barely anyone ever talks 03:41 < Ranix> yea man 03:41 < BleuLlama> Stern: silence is better than offtopic noise. 03:41 < Ranix> ok back on topic 03:41 < Stern> lol 03:41 < Ranix> I GOTZ A 6TH GEN 03:41 < Stern> BleuLlama: i was mostly joking 03:41 < Zol> yes, speaking about that 03:41 < Stern> Ranix: COOL! I WANT A SCREENIE 03:41 < Zol> my ipod is fat32 03:41 < Stern> lol 03:41 < Stern> well, my iPod's FAT64 03:41 < Stern> it's gigantic 03:41 < Stern> so there 03:41 < Zol> and i use the pz2 installer and it cant extract appearances onto the ipod 03:42 < Stern> hrm 03:42 < Stern> download corruption 03:42 < Zol> so i cant install pz2 at all 03:42 < Ranix> stern: http://www.tomwasnthere.com/ipodg6.jpg 03:42 < Zol> no it isnt actually 03:42 < Stern> what's the error zol? 03:42 < Ranix> 6th gen buddy 03:42 < Zol> because i can manually gzip it 03:42 < Zol> but going through the installer, it says "extraction error" 03:42 < Zol> and now my pz2 wont startup, because theres no appearances :( 03:42 < Stern> Ranix: horrible mock-up 03:42 < Ranix> wtf stern? fat64? 03:43 < Ranix> lol 03:43 < Stern> apple wouldn't be stupid enough to not put the video horizontally 03:43 < courtc> Ranix: http://bash.org/?352172 03:43 < Stern> i was joking lol 03:43 < courtc> very original. 03:43 < Stern> lol changed the names i see 03:43 < Ranix> yea 03:43 < Ranix> DevHace and I have been IMing our favorites 03:43 < DevHace> Sure have been. 03:44 < Ranix> zomg internet hax 03:44 < Ranix> where did you come from? 03:44 < Stern> lol 03:44 < Ranix> man, but seriously, no one says anything here, why not put stuff in off topic? 03:45 < Ranix> srry 03:45 < Ranix> I meant, why not talk about off topic stuff here 03:45 < Ranix> when someone comes in with a problem we can help 03:45 < Ranix> it unclogs the forums of spam too 03:45 < courtc> Go make your own off-topic channel. This channel is about ipodlinux. 03:45 < BleuLlama> well, here's your chance, help ZOl 03:45 < Ranix> WHATS YOU PROBLEM ZOL!?!?!?!?!? 03:45 < BleuLlama> courtc: it's called efnet 03:46 < Ranix> courtc: It's called efnet 03:46 < courtc> or that ;) 03:46 < Ranix> oh 03:46 < BleuLlama> Ranix: read your scrollback, he was typing stuff while you were blabbing noise 03:46 < Ranix> didn't see you above me 03:46 < Ranix> BlueLlama, my mouse is broken, cant go back 03:47 < BleuLlama> oh. i can help with that if you like 03:47 < Ranix> nah 03:47 < Ranix> Is Zol still here anyway? 03:47 < Ranix> I'll help him if he doesn't mind restating what the problem was 03:48 < Stern> Zol: definitely seems like corrupted download or something 03:48 < Stern> maybe corrupted installer 03:48 < Ranix> yea 03:48 < Ranix> srry, g2g 03:48 -!- Ranix [n=Ranix@c-24-125-45-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit ["brb earthquake"] 03:49 < Zol> ah 03:49 < Zol> must be corrupted installer 03:52 < DevHace> Of course! 03:54 < Zol> dl'ed another copy of installer 03:54 < Zol> still has same problem 03:55 < Stern> hm 03:55 < Stern> no clue 03:55 < Stern> try networkless 03:56 < Zol> ?? 03:56 < Zol> whats that? 04:01 -!- Jonbo [n=Jonbo123@adsl-074-229-245-180.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:04 < JackyD> did the stores have the refurbished ipods for sale ? 04:04 < JackyD> or just online ? 04:05 < Stern> http://bash.org/?3703 :-P 04:05 < BleuLlama> online US store only JackyD 04:05 < DevHace> Yea jeez 04:05 < DevHace> US store oly. 04:05 < JackyD> k 04:05 < DevHace> *only 04:06 -!- DevHace [n=chatzill@ppp-68-78-154-30.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]"] 04:07 -!- thoand [n=thoand@gentoo/developer/thoand] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:07 -!- thoand [n=thoand@gentoo/developer/thoand] has joined #ipodlinux 04:07 < Stern> http://bash.org/?16251 lmfao I got this twice in a row using random 04:09 < courtc> Stern: Thanks, but if we wanted bash.org quotes, we be looking at the website. 04:12 < courtc> hmm... we'd* 04:19 -!- The_DarkestNight [i=HydraIRC@cpe-67-49-212-203.bak.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:24 < The_DarkestNight> Hi, can someone tell me how to unistall iPodLinux? 04:26 < Stern> courtc: ah, i'm not allowed to post an off-topic link during an extended period characterized by a lack of activity? 04:26 < Stern> (yay unnecessarily confusing sentence!) 04:27 < courtc> something like that 04:27 < Stern> damn... 04:27 < Stern> :( 04:27 < BleuLlama> it's not rocket science people; just keep all dialogue in here on-topic. 04:28 -!- The_DarkestNight [i=HydraIRC@cpe-67-49-212-203.bak.res.rr.com] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!"] 04:31 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@user-54425355.l5.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 04:35 < Stern> i'm going to be writing an essay for english this week about mac vs. pc 04:35 < Stern> compare and contrast essay 04:36 < Stern> i was thinking (if it came out well) that i'd upload it somewhere and reference it if someone asked about which they should get 04:36 < Stern> so that there are fewer of those topics that get locked due to flaming 04:36 < courtc> Personally, I would choose another subject. 04:37 < Stern> it's one of the subjects on the list lol 04:37 < kick52> hi, late night programmers! 04:37 < Stern> i didn't choose it from anything 04:37 < Stern> lol kick52 04:37 < Stern> none of the others seemed especially interesting 04:37 < kick52> calamari on here? 04:37 < calamari> kick52: hi 04:37 < Stern> yeah, dunno if he's active 04:37 < Stern> lol 04:38 < Stern> guess he is 04:38 < kick52> hi 04:38 < courtc> Technically you could only tak about hardware and open firmware vs bios. 04:38 < courtc> talk* 04:38 < calamari> Stern: yeah when someone uses my nick the program flashes in the taskbar :) 04:38 < Stern> i know 04:39 < Stern> courtc: i wouldn't really talk about hardware 04:39 < kick52> calamari: do you think you could tell me about the other icurses functions? (like kbd cannon?) 04:39 < Stern> more of a software compare and contrast 04:39 < Stern> like, you'd use a mac over a PC because... 04:39 < Stern> crashes less, better interface, etc. 04:39 < calamari> kick52: sure.. that's so you can input a single character at a time without requiring enter 04:39 < Stern> PCs are better because: better hardware, more commercial software development, etc. 04:39 < courtc> Mac does not refer specifically to OS X and a PC certainly not only to Windows 04:39 < calamari> I know I haven't documented anything yet 04:40 < calamari> sorry bout that 04:40 < Stern> courtc: that's what's implied 04:40 < Stern> it's AP english 04:40 < Stern> not AP Comp Sci 04:40 < Stern> lol 04:40 < kick52> calamari: thats okay. but isnt the cannon just like getchar(); (does that require enter?) 04:40 < calamari> kick52: I don't know about on the ipod, but on regular linux it does 04:41 < Stern> calamari: C is the same on any distro of linux 04:41 < calamari> Stern: c might be the same, but buffering would be os specific 04:41 < kick52> let me test it on my mac 04:41 < Stern> lol 04:42 < courtc> Then argue the point that the lables Mac and PC aren't dependent on certain software. Make it truthful at least. 04:42 < calamari> wait.. not trying to mislead here :) 04:42 < calamari> am I misunderstanding something? 04:43 < Stern> it's a compare and contrast essay 04:43 < courtc> use getc in a loop with unbuffered input. 04:43 < calamari> oh.. 04:43 * calamari needs to follow the conversation, lol 04:43 < Stern> they want you to talk about the differences between pcs and macs 04:43 < Stern> it's that simple 04:43 < Stern> it's also implied that they're talking about the overall system 04:44 * calamari remembers that essay.. I compared Atari 5200 Mario Bros and Atari 7800 Mario Bross 04:44 < Stern> and it shouldn't get too technical, it's about keeping the reader interested 04:44 < Stern> my english teacher would much rather read about interface differences than hardware differences 04:44 < courtc> Stern: The point I'm trying to make is that the differences/similarities in macs and pcs have nothing to do with the operating system. 04:44 < Stern> i know 04:44 < Stern> sure 04:45 < Stern> my point is that your point doesn't relate to the content of my essay lol 04:45 < courtc> So then you are ok with your essay bending the truth to focus on OSs? 04:46 < Stern> yeah 04:46 < Stern> and it's not bending the truth 04:46 < Stern> it's focusing one one aspect of the differences between Macs and PCs 04:46 < Stern> i'm not saying that the OS is the only difference 04:46 < Stern> i'm just focusing on it 04:46 < Stern> as opposed to the hardware 04:47 < Stern> the main OS 04:47 < Stern> (forgetting about linux) 04:47 < JackyD> coolness 04:47 < courtc> The OS *isn't* a difference though. 04:47 < JackyD> just bought a 60gb 5G refurb 04:47 < Stern> JackyD: congrats 04:47 < JackyD> from the online store 04:47 < JackyD> next day shipping 04:47 < JackyD> hopefully it gets here friday :) 04:48 < Stern> courtc: here's what it says on the list 04:48 < Stern> "Approach a comparison and contrast essay on one of the following general subjects by explaining why you prefer one thing to the other:" 04:48 < Stern> "Computers: Macs and PCs" 04:48 < Stern> ... more choices 04:48 < courtc> At least modify the topic to refer to the operating systems rather than the hardware 04:49 < Stern> teacher's instruction: "Select and narrow a topic" 04:49 < Stern> i'm narrowing the topic 04:50 < Stern> makes sense? 04:52 < courtc> ... No, you aren't. You, as an intelligent computer user, realise that the normal person's perception of a computer is the OS. As an intelligent computer user, you are modifying that topic to suit the audience, perpetuating the normal person's idea of a computer. 04:52 < kick52> calamari: i just tried the getchar() thing and it does need enter to be pressed (it buffers?) 04:53 < Stern> courtc: and that's EXACTLY what you do in an essay 04:53 < courtc> ... kick52, calamari ... did you read what I said? 04:53 < Stern> one of the first things that you think about when writing an essay is your purpose and your audience 04:53 < Stern> i'm not modifying the topic 04:53 < courtc> Stern: perpetuate incorrect beliefs? 04:53 < Stern> i'm using selective details 04:53 < Stern> they're not incorrect beliefs 04:53 < calamari> courtc: the function we were discussing sets up unbuffered input mode 04:54 < Stern> i am saying which I prefer by comparing and contrasting their operating systems 04:54 < calamari> courtc: by setting canon off 04:54 < Stern> my purpose is to say which I prefer 04:54 < kick52> i'll try getc() 04:54 < courtc> Stern: architectures don't have respective operating systems. 04:55 < Stern> my audience is a common person who knows nothing about the difference between a Mac and a PC above the operating system and interface 04:55 < courtc> kick52: it won't work without unbuffered mode. 04:55 < Stern> courtc: you're looking at it from WAY too technical a perspective 04:55 < courtc> Stern: so share that info as an introduction. 04:55 < Stern> if you haven't noticed, the terms Mac and PC have been used synonymously with MacOS and Windows 04:55 < Stern> that's how they're being used here 04:56 < courtc> Stern: no, I'm looking at it from an educated computer user's ethical perspective. 04:56 < Stern> you think the writers of a book on essay writing are writing that from your perspective? 04:56 < Stern> they're writing it using Mac and PC as the interface and not the hardware 04:57 < courtc> Stern: just because it has been done doesn't mean it was correct. 04:57 < Stern> i'm writing the essay they want to be written 04:57 < Stern> you would write the essay that would be technically correct 04:57 < Stern> on a grading level, mine would do better content-wise 04:57 < courtc> Actually, I'd pick another topic. ;) 04:57 < Stern> lol 04:57 < Stern> if you had no other choice 04:58 < courtc> Stern: I doubt the grading part. 04:58 < kick52> calamari: does keyboard cannon work like getchar() but without the buffer then? 04:58 < kick52> so i can go: variable = keyboard_cannon() 04:58 < Stern> courtc: here are the other choices 04:58 < calamari> nope 04:58 < courtc> Stern: I don't really care what they are. 04:58 < Stern> "Two buildings on campus, two football teams, german-made cars and detroit-made cars, etc." 04:58 < Stern> boring shit 04:58 < Stern> stuff I don't really know or care about 04:59 < Stern> you'd write about football teams instead? 04:59 < calamari> kick52: after you call it, then you can use getchar() as courtc mentioned.. I also provided keyboard_read() 04:59 < courtc> I'm just trying to get you to educate your audience. It would take one sentence. 04:59 < Stern> i wasn't planning on just completely disregarding the fact that I'm focusing on something' 04:59 < Stern> that's how I develop an essay 05:00 < Stern> start with the general topic 05:00 < Stern> work in towards the specific topic and thesis 05:00 < Stern> (of course, you wouldn't know that) 05:00 < courtc> 'course not, never done writted an essay in me life. 05:01 < Stern> lol 05:01 < Stern> you're such a rednec 05:01 < Stern> *redneck 05:01 < Stern> lol 05:01 < Stern> :-P 05:01 < courtc> The topic was meant to be general, but as Stern, you realise that it failed to do so properly. 05:01 < Stern> on an iPL topic: whaddya think of iZilla? 05:01 < Stern> lol 05:02 < JackyD> after linux is put on the ipod, how hard is it to swap between the normal firmware and linux ? 05:02 < calamari> I've only seen one screenshot, but it looks awesome 05:02 < Stern> choosing a different menu item 05:02 < Stern> @ JackyD 05:02 < JackyD> does it need a hard reboot ? 05:02 < courtc> Hold on, let me word this properly. 05:02 < Stern> JackyD: from AppleOS, yeah. from pz2, no (there's an option in the menu). 05:03 < JackyD> cool 05:03 < Stern> courtc: sure, i'll brush my teeth in the meantime lol 05:03 < JackyD> and i need to jump to the appleOS to sync w/ itunes, correct ? 05:03 < Stern> JackyD: yeah, or go to disk mode 05:03 < courtc> I think it's a poorly designed object of misdirected effort. 05:03 < Stern> because we have no USB driver 05:03 < JackyD> k 05:04 < Stern> courtc: ah, so you're on josh's side 05:04 < JackyD> disk mode in linux does what ? 05:04 < Stern> thinking that we are fragmenting the user-base 05:04 < JackyD> opens it as a removable drive ? 05:04 < Stern> JackyD: pretty much 05:04 < Stern> JackyD: and it's not in linux, it's after you reboot 05:04 < JackyD> ah ok 05:05 < Stern> courtc: we're not doing that at all, we're just having fun writing a different interface 05:05 < courtc> Stern: nope. I don't care about fragmentation. I just think effort would be more benefitial in other areas. 05:05 < Stern> i know this is going to be hard to believe, but I really can't do that much in terms of programming 05:05 < Stern> i'm a pseudocoder 05:06 < courtc> In addition, I think the design of iZilla has neglected the base system provided by pz2. 05:06 < Stern> all i've been doing with iZilla is writing pseudocode in my head then just looking through APIs and turning it into C and TTK 05:06 < Stern> courtc: in what way? 05:06 < kick52> i dont think that i will like izilla because of the slow mouse method. no offense on your work though. it would be cool if you could use the scroll wheel to touch up and down etc. to control the mouse. 05:06 < Stern> kick52: it can be changed 05:07 < Stern> kick52: it's still in way way pre-alpha lol 05:07 < kick52> stern: really? to what? 05:07 < Stern> it's just what was used in the mouse demo 05:07 < Stern> whatever 05:07 < Stern> i took the mouse code from there, so it does mouse movement the way the mouse-demo module did it 05:07 < courtc> It would be easier to code and maintain if it were implemented as a pz2 module. 05:07 < calamari> what's the problem with the usb driver? is it simply a lack of willpower, or is there a lack of information, or some other limitation? 05:08 < Stern> courtc: that's where you're wrong (in my case) 05:08 < Stern> i can't get my mind wrapped around how it would be easier to do iZilla as a pz2 module 05:08 < Stern> it would involve a COMPLETE rewrite of the interface 05:08 < Stern> not to mention event handling functions 05:08 < Stern> everything 05:08 < Stern> and that's why I find it much easier to just do it as a standalone 05:09 < Stern> also, if it wouldn't be too hard to code it as a module 05:09 < courtc> pz2 was designed from the ground up to have a replaceable menu widget. That's really all you need to change. 05:09 < Stern> it shouldn't be that hard to get pz2 module support in iZilla 05:09 < Stern> courtc: not really 05:09 < Stern> i'd have to change all of the event handling stuff 05:09 < Stern> because it now uses a mouse and not a menu 05:10 < Stern> i'd have to scrap the Apple menu style 05:10 < JackyD> if i want to add apps to the linux portion, do they get installed in main memory, or on the linux partition ? 05:10 < Stern> add widgets to the header 05:10 < Stern> yada yada yada 05:10 < Stern> it would be just inefficient 05:10 < courtc> Stern: ... 05:11 < Stern> try writing a program that runs on dos that has a mouse 05:11 < Stern> and clickable menus 05:11 < Stern> etc. 05:11 < Stern> possible, sure 05:11 < courtc> Event handling wouldn't need to change. 05:11 < Stern> easy, hell no 05:11 < Stern> why not? 05:11 < calamari> Stern: that's not too difficult .. I've done it :) 05:11 < Stern> calamari: pure dos? 05:11 * BleuLlama too 05:11 < Stern> command line dos? 05:11 < calamari> Stern: yes 05:11 < BleuLlama> yes 05:11 < Stern> hrm, how? 05:11 < courtc> Yea, bad example. 05:11 < calamari> Stern: M$ PDS 7.0 makes it easy 05:12 < courtc> I *did* say that you can replace the menu widget. 05:12 < calamari> Stern: but I've also done mouse stuff in pure asm 05:12 < BleuLlama> ah. good 'ol mode 13h 05:12 < calamari> mode x 05:12 < BleuLlama> yep. mode x. 05:12 < kick52> hi bluellama 05:12 < Stern> courtc: yes, you could 05:13 < calamari> I got into asm programming to write tsr's 05:13 < Stern> but would the pz_event_handler function work correctly if you clicked the mouse on something? 05:13 < Stern> i doubt it 05:13 < calamari> which has nothing to do with ipl.. sorry ! 05:13 < Stern> lol 05:13 < Stern> personally, i find it much easier to imagine writing it as a standalone and not a module 05:13 < Stern> therefore, i (personally) would be able to do it better 05:14 < BleuLlama> Stern: just do the minor rewrites to get yuour gui working as a menu replacement, rather than the major changes necessary to your app to add in pz2 module support, and all of that other stuff. 05:14 < Stern> i dunno 05:14 < Stern> i just can't envision it 05:14 < Stern> and that would make it impossible to code 05:15 < Stern> BleuLlama: to add in pz2 module support, all i'd have to do is make a new TWindow, change the event handler, and bam. 05:15 * calamari envisions booting up to a console prompt in less than 3 months 05:15 < Stern> done 05:15 < BleuLlama> I think i need to reiterate what courtcy said earlier: ... 05:15 < Stern> it's the same graphics library, same OS 05:15 < Stern> it wouldn't be difficult at all to get pz2 modules running 05:16 < courtc> Designing is a very important part of programming, true. However, asking valid questions to people who *can* envision your goals is an important part of life. 05:16 < calamari> any ideas on my usb question? 05:16 < BleuLlama> i just don't understand why you aren't trying to leverage off of the existing pz2 structure. we wrote it modularly for a reason. 05:16 < courtc> calamari: lack of time / motivation, and mostly lack of documentation. 05:17 < Stern> BleuLlama: i know 05:17 < Stern> i just can't see it working well as a module 05:17 < Stern> it's easier for ME to code like this 05:17 < calamari> courtc: what kind of documentation is needed? about the hardware, or is it about usb? 05:17 < Stern> if I wanted you guys to write it, I'd ask you 05:18 < Stern> even if you explained it to me, I doubt i'd be able to see it 05:18 < calamari> courtc: the college library has books on almost anything.. 05:18 < Stern> and the way I have it, it's extremely easy to add stuff 05:18 < calamari> Stern: keep going with it then 05:18 < Stern> sure, it might have worked as a module, but just not with me coding 05:18 < Stern> for example, add a line to the source and you have a menu item 05:19 < calamari> Stern: its your program, your vision.. and its gpl, right? 05:19 < BleuLlama> how is that different than existing pz2? 05:19 < Stern> iz_add_menuitem_widget(<4 params>); 05:19 < Stern> done 05:19 < Stern> BleuLlama: do you know what iZilla is? 05:19 < Stern> like, why it's so different? 05:19 < Stern> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18276 05:19 < courtc> calamari: hardware. the documentation comes with a hefty price and a NDA 05:20 < Stern> completely different "menu item" than pz2 05:20 < BleuLlama> you know what; you can deal with the support for everyone having to install two navigation apps, rather than integration with pz2. enjoy. 05:20 < BleuLlama> i give up 05:20 < courtc> Stern: not really from a code perspective. 05:20 < BleuLlama> i tried to help, but you're not going to even consider what we're trying to say.. i give up 05:20 * courtc fights to the death. 05:21 < kick52> calamari: im just looking over all your icurses stuff. good work. is there i can build the first demo to work? (when i build it, it diesnt exec on the ipod) how can i fix the makefile? 05:21 < BleuLlama> have fun, courtc. i'm out 05:21 < calamari> kick52: argh.. I was going to upload a new one wasn't I? 05:21 < calamari> kick52: thanks btw :) 05:21 < Stern> BleuLlama: i will have fun, thanks 05:22 < kick52> calamari: no, you did, but i wanted to test the keyboard stuff. 05:22 < BleuLlama> good. :) 05:22 < BleuLlama> that's the real point of it all anyway 05:22 < Stern> courtc: i'd say it is... 05:22 < kick52> calamari: im sorry for being a noob 05:22 < calamari> kick52: what? you 05:22 < calamari> 're not 05:22 < Stern> courtc: yours draw just in a row, scroll down from the bottom one and they shift up 05:22 < kick52> i am at C 05:22 < calamari> kick52: I haven't written proper documentation.. not your fault :) 05:23 < Stern> courtc: mine only appear when you click something, they appear in a specified place, don't ever move 05:23 < calamari> kick52: plus, it doesn't even work right 100% 05:23 < Stern> aren't the menu items in pz2 really just data in arrays? 05:23 < calamari> kick52: since there seems to be some bugs in the output driver 05:23 < Stern> or are they widgets, like in iZilla? 05:24 < Stern> (I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, I'm just trying to see why you guys think it would be so simple to switch pz2 from a menu based system to a mouse based system...) 05:25 < Stern> (without the iZilla module being almost a complete program inandof itself) 05:25 < courtc> Stern: you are very simple minded when it comes to design. say you have a menu: int menu[8]; /* two items per menu, 4 menus; in pz2 this would be a straight list */ int iz_modmenu[4][2]; 05:26 < Stern> yeah, 2D array 05:26 < courtc> Besides, you wouldn't even be using the menu widget! YOU GET TO USE YOUR OWN. I hate caps, but I don't think it's getting across. 05:26 < kick52> calamari: im just going to make my own test program, just to test the keyboard stuff. how do i include the library? 05:26 < Stern> look courtc... there's more to iZilla than just the menubar at the top 05:27 < Stern> it would involve revamping the header, changing the menu widget 05:27 < Stern> using the mouse widget for input 05:27 < Stern> therefore changing the event handler 05:27 < Stern> essentially what we already have 05:27 < Stern> (which, by the way, runs much faster) 05:28 < calamari> kick52: one min 05:29 < courtc> *sigh* do it your way... don't complain however when one of us gets the fancy to make it in pz2... In a day. 05:29 < Stern> sure 05:29 < Stern> fucking go ahead 05:29 -!- fxb_ is now known as fxb 05:29 < Stern> make a menu system that uses a mouse, make a desktop with icons 05:29 < Stern> a music player that can be controlled through the use of a mouse 05:29 < Stern> windows that you can drag around the screen 05:30 < BleuLlama> uh. all of the backend and engine for that is already in pz2. 05:30 < BleuLlama> which is why we were suggesting it 05:30 * BleuLlama goes 05:30 < Stern> you guys have not too much more than the AppleOS 05:30 < Stern> and it's taken you what, 2 years? 05:31 < Stern> and you think you could write a whole different environment in a night 05:31 < Stern> be my guest 05:31 < kick52> if you guys are doing the mouse idea? can it have a seperate wheel sensitivity? 05:31 < Stern> and even if you do decide to add it to pz2, EVERYONE will know that it wasn't your idea in the first place 05:31 < kick52> just an idea.... 05:31 < Stern> kick52: it can have whatever we program it to have 05:31 < BleuLlama> yep. it was Xerox's 05:31 < courtc> ^--- 05:31 < Stern> BleuLlama: did it go anywhere? apparently not 05:31 < calamari> kick52: okay, uploaded the latest 05:32 < Stern> kick52: it's not a part of pz2 05:32 < Stern> it's a completely seperate program 05:32 < calamari> kick52: http://kidsquid.com/files/ipod/libicurses-0.0.3.tar.bz2 05:32 < Stern> *separate 05:32 < BleuLlama> the mouse stuff is in there; there's a mouse module 05:32 < kick52> yay! thanks calamari 05:32 < calamari> kick52: sure 05:32 < Stern> BleuLlama: yeah, i know 05:32 < Stern> that's where I got the mouse from 05:32 < calamari> kick52: that has my menu code too 05:32 < BHSPitLappy> and even if you do decide to add it to pz2, EVERYONE will know that it wasn't your idea in the first place <-- well, that never stops Apple, M$, Google etc 05:32 < Stern> it's not that simple though 05:32 < calamari> kick52: demo3 has an example of how it is used 05:33 < Stern> BHSPitLappy: i know that 05:33 < kick52> thanks alot 05:33 < Stern> but it won't be heralded as a great new idea by the iPL devs 05:33 -!- bobsmith [n=john2752@216.106.215.63] has joined #ipodlinux 05:33 < Stern> it will just be you guys reacting to what we're doing 05:33 < calamari> kick52: it also does keyboard reads 05:33 < BHSPitLappy> they're not out for heroism. 05:33 < courtc> Stern: we aren't looking for publicity or fame. 05:33 < Stern> i never said they were 05:33 < BHSPitLappy> or innovation awards. 05:33 < Stern> courtc: i know 05:33 < BleuLlama> are you noticing the irony in what you're saying, Stern? 05:33 < BHSPitLappy> in other words, they're not you. 05:33 < Stern> i'm not either 05:34 < Stern> i'm doing this for fun 05:34 < BHSPitLappy> it doesn't look that way. 05:34 < BHSPitLappy> not even a little. 05:34 < kick52> so i just make it with makefile? 05:34 < Stern> you guys see it how you want, i'm sure you know why i'm writing it 05:34 < BHSPitLappy> looks like an "I wanna be the best, damnit" mission. 05:34 < Stern> BHSPitLappy: looks like you made a bad observation 05:34 < calamari> kick52: yep! you can type make for your computer, make IPOD=1 for the ipod 05:34 < BHSPitLappy> looks like you made a bad impression. 05:34 < BleuLlama> well, yours will be a nice standalone app, but the pz module will be nice for people who already have pz2 installed, and don't want to have to muck with loader2 or anything like that, while not losing any existing pz2 functionality or installed games... 05:35 < Stern> based on data that isn't representative of what you're looking at 05:35 < BHSPitLappy> a lastine one, too. 05:35 < Stern> sure 05:35 < Stern> you guys have your impression of me 05:35 < Stern> i don't really care 05:35 < BHSPitLappy> Stern, the data I'm looking at is the only data that matters. 05:35 < Stern> BHSPitLappy: the data you're looking at is what you're seeing now 05:35 < BHSPitLappy> exactly. 05:35 < Stern> not a good representation of the full set of data 05:35 < Stern> zoom in too far and you'll miss stuff 05:36 < BHSPitLappy> Nobody cares if you're a good person, "in theory" 05:36 < BleuLlama> well, i apologize, Stern... I'm sorry for trying to point you in a direction that would be good for your effort, for stuff to learn, for what might be best for the project. i apologize. 05:36 < kick52> done. i'll test it on the pod now 05:36 < Stern> i don't care if you think i'm a good person or an ass 05:36 < BleuLlama> with that. goodnight 05:36 < Stern> BleuLlama: thanks for your completely unnecessary sarcasm 05:36 < Stern> i'll make sure to remember you for that 05:36 < BHSPitLappy> I'm not criticising your program at all, I've never even seen it... I'm just observing your behavior. 05:36 < courtc> In any case, saying we've only accomplished an AppleOS implementation in 2 years is WAY out of line. I don't know what project you've been looking at. 05:36 < calamari> kick52: the menu won't work well on the ipod yet.. I can tell you that already based on the image you sent me the other day 05:36 < Stern> courtc: i didn't say that 05:36 < calamari> kick52: btw, which ipod do you have? 05:37 < BHSPitLappy> Stern, I don't think he was being sarcastic. 05:37 < Stern> you have modules 05:37 < BHSPitLappy> in fact, it sounded pretty damn straightforward 05:37 < Stern> BHSPitLappy: look again 05:37 < BleuLlama> no sarcasm. 05:37 < courtc> Stern: that's exactly what you said. 05:37 < Stern> he apologizes for suggesting something beneficial 05:37 * BHSPitLappy looks again, processes, same result. 05:37 < kick52> i have a 1G Mini (thats generation) 05:37 < Stern> not what I meant 05:37 < Stern> wasn't great wording 05:37 < BHSPitLappy> Stern, only because you seemed to demand an apology for said suggestion. 05:37 < BleuLlama> 01:30 < Stern> you guys have not too much more than the AppleOS 05:37 < BleuLlama> 01:30 < Stern> and it's taken you what, 2 years? 05:38 < Stern> Stern: wasn't great wording 05:38 < Stern> yay for modules 05:38 < Stern> yay for a kernel 05:38 < BHSPitLappy> E.G., "I'm good, y'all suck" 05:38 < calamari> why are you guys bickering 05:38 < calamari> I think both projects are cool 05:38 < BHSPitLappy> well, to be honest, I'm feeling pretty apathetic about it 05:39 < BHSPitLappy> so it's not "bickering" 05:39 < Stern> BHSPitLappy: that was, to let you know, in response to: "don't complain however when one of us gets the fancy to make it in pz2... In a day." 05:39 < bobsmith> i have a question, if i tried to install ipod linux on my 60 Gig video would that be called unsupported? 05:39 < Stern> i'm saying that what they have took 2 years 05:39 < calamari> bobsmith: yes 05:39 < Stern> to implement what we have would take more than a night 05:39 -!- bobsmith [n=john2752@216.106.215.63] has left #ipodlinux [] 05:39 < BHSPitLappy> so, you compared this project, with only end-user products to work with, to the actual Apple project, who was responsible for creating the hardware, and the entire platform... 05:40 < BHSPitLappy> and scorned the good work of the coders here 05:40 < Stern> no... 05:40 < Stern> it's great work 05:40 < Stern> all i was saying is that I doubted that they could do it overnight 05:40 < BHSPitLappy> let's just stop. 05:40 -!- Jonbo [n=Jonbo123@adsl-074-229-245-180.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:40 < BHSPitLappy> I'm done 05:40 < Stern> they're great programmers, no random person could do it 05:40 < Stern> fine with me 05:40 < Stern> i realize that you guys don't like that I'm not integrating it 05:41 < kick52> calamari: And the results are in...... 05:41 < Stern> i just hope you realize that I'm doing what seems better from my perspective 05:41 < calamari> kick52: that was fast.. demo3? 05:41 < Stern> and what is easier for me 05:41 < Stern> me and mike decided to keep it separate 05:42 < BHSPitLappy> that's exactly what bleu said, and you got defensive because of it. 05:42 < Stern> quote? (don't remember this lol) 05:42 < BHSPitLappy> you're approaching your project selfishly, instead of what's best for the project as a whole 05:42 < Stern> i'm not doing it selfishly 05:42 < BHSPitLappy> not to say it's wrong necessarily, but you need to admit it 05:42 < Stern> i'm doing it in the way that I think I can do it 05:42 < Stern> and I won't admit that 05:42 < courtc> Heh, I really think it could be done on pz2, in a day. No joke or exaggeration. The two biggest hurdles to programming are experience and motivation. 05:42 < Stern> i'm not doing it because I don't WANT to integrate 05:43 < kick52> calamari: Demo1: Prints "17 x 13" in the middle of the screen and exits. Demo 2: The same thing. Demo 2b: Has lots of different numbers, some garbled and blacked out, some with gray background. Demo 3: Menu system with extreme hardcore sensitivity. 05:43 < Stern> i'm doing it because I don't think I would be ABLE to integrate 05:43 < Stern> that's the difference 05:43 < Stern> courtc: if you want to do it in pz2, go ahead 05:43 < Stern> have fun 05:43 < calamari> kick52: good to know about the sensitivity.. hehe 05:44 < calamari> kick52: btw, can you read the menu item that is selected? 05:44 < Stern> i'll just stop contributing because what i was working on has been done already 05:44 < Stern> no need to keep working 05:44 < kick52> i'll get you a pic of 2b. and, 3 05:44 < calamari> kick52: cool, thanks, that'd be great 05:45 < courtc> Stern: the main problem here is I think that a mouse controlled gui will be clumsy on the iPod. The same reason I thought it hadn't been implemented before. 05:45 < BHSPitLappy> Stern, "contribution" is a good thing; it expands a project, brings more to more users, and *doesn't* obfuscate and further disorganize it 05:45 < courtc> to each their own. 05:45 < calamari> hmm.. what about a serial mouse 05:45 < calamari> that wouldn't require usb 05:45 < courtc> calamari: get serial working first ;) 05:45 < Stern> courtc: it's not necessarily supposed to be better funtionally 05:45 < BHSPitLappy> and yes, there's the opinion that the wheel mouse interface is unsatisfactory, but that really is a "to each his own" matter 05:45 < Stern> courtc: i thought you guys got serial lol 05:45 < calamari> courtc: oh yeah :( serial only works on the older ones 05:46 < Stern> lol 05:46 < BHSPitLappy> Stern, yep, Broadcom just decided to bend over on its NDA's for a while I guess -.- 05:46 < Stern> two solutions to the wheel mouse problem 05:46 < Stern> one: deal with it 05:46 < Stern> two: try stap events or something similar 05:46 < Stern> sure, it's not a great input device 05:46 < Stern> but it's different 05:46 < Stern> interesting 05:47 < Stern> it's not horrible 05:47 < Stern> it works 05:47 < BHSPitLappy> if the hardware was capable of just acting as a touchpad (with a hole missing)... then it might prove functional 05:47 < BHSPitLappy> like, if I could draw a vertical line with my finger along the side of it. 05:47 < Stern> BHSPitLappy: to some extent, it does 05:47 < Stern> you could direct the mouse with your finger 05:47 < Stern> stap 05:47 < BHSPitLappy> not in that way... 05:47 < Stern> i know 05:47 < BHSPitLappy> that's still a 1-dimensional input device. 05:47 < kick52> calamari: i took the pictures, i'll email them to you. sorry whats your email 'gain? 05:47 < BHSPitLappy> I'm talking 2... and I don't think the hardware does that 05:48 < Stern> BHSPitLappy: that's not necessarily a bad one 05:48 < Stern> BHSPitLappy: it doesn't 05:48 < Stern> but a 1D input device could work fine, especially because it's circular 05:48 < courtc> Stern: I'm just not interested. I have vouched for sticking with an Apple-like interface from the beginning. Apple may be stuck in the 90s, but they have HID down. 05:48 < calamari> kick52: want to upload them to my wiki instead? should be easy 05:48 < kick52> how about a wheel-dock kind of launcher thing. 05:48 < kick52> cool. wheres that? 05:48 < BHSPitLappy> that sounds cool. 05:48 < Stern> courtc: ok. i love seeing progress 05:48 < calamari> kick52: http://kidsquid.com/ 05:48 < BHSPitLappy> a circular dock... 05:48 < BHSPitLappy> I'm intrigued 05:49 < Stern> BHSPitLappy: been thought of 05:49 < Stern> one of the first ideas for iZilla 05:49 < Stern> decided on desktop though 05:49 < calamari> kick52: this is a better page http://kidsquid.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=ipod 05:50 < Stern> i'll let you guys know (courtc, BHSPitLappy, BleuLlama) if and when I get pz2 module support working 05:50 < Stern> and once that and a filebrowser and music system is in place 05:50 < Stern> it's pretty much a different interface 05:50 < courtc> IMO when you get to the point of endless possibilities, only so many can be put in the category of progress. 05:50 < BHSPitLappy> that went a little over my head. 05:50 < Stern> ? 05:50 < Stern> lol 05:51 < Stern> w/e 05:51 < calamari> kick52: btw jeff at kidsquid dot com 05:51 < Stern> i'm going to sleep 05:51 < BHSPitLappy> I think I kind of understand... 05:51 < kick52> thanks 05:51 < fxb> calamari: my photo was not scanned. 05:51 < courtc> I'm saying that a wheel mouse interface doesn't imo appear as progress. 05:52 < Stern> it's not progress in terms of podzilla and your interface 05:52 * fxb -> school 05:52 < Stern> it's not necessarily functional progress at all 05:52 -!- fxb is now known as fxb_ 05:52 < Stern> it just looks different, and to some, nicer 05:52 < Stern> an alternative 05:52 < kick52> ok, i'll just make it smaller 05:52 < courtc> I agree. 05:52 < Stern> and that's what iZilla was always meant to be 05:52 < Stern> not functionally better 05:52 < Stern> just graphically different 05:52 < Stern> hopefully we're all on the same page now 05:53 < Stern> friends? 05:53 -!- Borat [n=shayan@ip68-101-106-222.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:53 < Stern> lol 05:53 < courtc> I still think you'll find that a great deal of code duplication with the construction of your own independant application 05:53 < kick52> calamari: i can edit the wiki, but how do i upload things? 05:53 < Stern> that's why i use your code 05:53 < Stern> lol 05:53 < Stern> :-P 05:53 < BHSPitLappy> right; I don't think anyone's out to discredit the idea itself. it's a matter of preference. 05:53 < courtc> I was never an enemy. 05:54 < Stern> and, in some places, where I feel that i could make something more efficient using a mouse, I do it 05:54 < BHSPitLappy> some could call the trouble of putting linux onto an iPod frivilous and counter-functional 05:54 < Stern> courtc: i didn't mean it that way 05:54 < calamari> kick52: ahh sorry.. there is an icon of a painting in the edit bar, click it 05:54 < Stern> i just meant: "Forget all the stuff we said prior to now." 05:54 < Stern> clean slate 05:54 < Stern> forget the animosity and whatnot 05:55 < courtc> BHSPitLappy, BleuLlama and I were just trying to ease your programming pain by recommending an already functional interface. 05:55 < calamari> kick52: it looks like two mountains and a sun 05:55 < kick52> calamari: tried that gives me: Mediafile Selection 05:55 < kick52> Namespaces 05:55 < kick52> wiki 05:55 < kick52> Nothing was found. 05:55 < Stern> courtc: and I tried to explain that it would increase my programming pain 05:55 < Stern> cause I just can't manage to see it working efficiently 05:55 < Stern> and we both have our opinions 05:55 < calamari> kick52: ick 05:56 < Stern> i respect yours, i hope you respect mine 05:56 < Stern> and with that, I pass out on my bed 05:56 * Stern passes out on the bed 05:56 < kick52> calamari: i'll load them on my site and link to them 05:56 < calamari> kick52: oh wait 05:57 < calamari> kick52: on the right you click "Browse" 05:57 < courtc> Sorry. I don't forgive and forget. I recognise that in order to have a decent relationship people must recognise their differences and constantly test the fences erected by opinions and biases. 05:57 < calamari> kick52: then click upload 05:57 < courtc> That was a long sentence. 05:57 < Stern> lol 05:57 < calamari> kick52: or is that not available? 05:57 < courtc> Overly long. 05:57 < Stern> i'm just really tired, pissed at everyone, etc. 05:57 < Stern> not in a great mood 05:57 < BHSPitLappy> that just might go into my favorite quotes. 05:57 < Stern> maybe tomorrow we can have a more civilized conversation 05:58 < kick52> calamari: browse isnt there. dw, i'll just use my website (www.kick52.com, if you wanna visit) 05:58 < Stern> sound good? 05:58 < calamari> ok 05:58 < courtc> BHSPitLappy: bash.org ? ;D 05:58 < BHSPitLappy> no, facebook 05:58 < BHSPitLappy> lol 05:58 < BHSPitLappy> nobody would see that on bash.org and laugh 05:59 < courtc> Just remember not to violate my implict copyright. ;) 05:59 < Stern> (and by the way, I would reuse a LOT of code. aka nearly compile pz2 into izilla to get the modules to work) 06:00 < Stern> courtc: meaning don't take credit for your stuff? 06:00 < Stern> wouldn't dream of it 06:00 < BHSPitLappy> Favorite Quotes: 06:00 < BHSPitLappy> "Sorry. I don't forgive and forget. I recognise that in order to have a decent relationship people must recognise their differences and constantly test the fences erected by opinions and biases." - C. Calvin 06:00 < BHSPitLappy> Stern, he meant me. 06:00 < Stern> ah lol 06:00 < Stern> i knew that 06:00 < BHSPitLappy> whoops 06:00 < courtc> Stern: I was actually talking to BHSPitLappy, but yea, you to. :) 06:00 < BHSPitLappy> no "l" in Cavin 06:00 < Stern> lol 06:00 < courtc> true. 06:00 < Stern> even I know that 06:01 < BHSPitLappy> fixed 06:01 < BHSPitLappy> joke for y'all 06:01 < Stern> and i'm just a measly little programmer who can't comprehend writing a pz2 module for some reason or another 06:01 < BHSPitLappy> How does a turtle with no arms and legs get across the highway? 06:01 < Stern> adios amigos, y podemos hablar manana 06:02 < Stern> BHSPitLappy: YOU THROW IT 06:02 < Stern> lol 06:02 < BHSPitLappy> Take the "g" out of "high" and the "f" out of "way" 06:02 < Stern> ...? 06:02 < BHSPitLappy> ... 06:02 < Stern> lol 06:02 < BHSPitLappy> gosh. 06:02 < Stern> too late 06:02 < BHSPitLappy> There's no F in Way! 06:02 < Stern> it's 2AM lol 06:03 < Stern> tell me tomorrow 06:03 < Stern> see if i get it then 06:03 < BHSPitLappy> Exactly 06:03 < BHSPitLappy> I just explained it 06:03 < Stern> fing way? 06:03 < Stern> no fing way? 06:03 < BHSPitLappy> uh huh 06:03 < Stern> ah lol 06:03 < Stern> that's what I thought 06:03 < Stern> then i was like... no... 06:03 < BHSPitLappy> it's a phonetically-dependent joke 06:03 < Stern> lol 06:03 < courtc> Hey! There's no F'in way! 06:03 < BHSPitLappy> Exactly! 06:03 < BHSPitLappy> Hah! 06:04 < Stern> OH! 06:04 < Stern> I GET IT 06:04 < Stern> YAY 06:04 < BHSPitLappy> lol 06:04 < Stern> :):):) 06:04 < Stern> :happydance: 06:04 < BHSPitLappy> go to sleep. 06:04 < Stern> yeah, i really need to sleep 06:04 < Stern> night 06:04 < BHSPitLappy> you and your time zone... 06:04 -!- Stern [n=Stern@ool-44c51b38.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:04 < kick52> calamari: done. 06:04 < BHSPitLappy> damn Easterners 06:05 < courtc> Hey! There's no timezonizm allowed in #ipodlinux 06:05 < courtc> Freakin' westerner. 06:06 < calamari> kick52: thanks.. where is it on your site? 06:06 < kick52> calamari: i uploaded it to mine, and linked to it on your wiki 06:07 < calamari> oh! 06:08 < courtc> Where the hell is that old gui design on the forums (the only one I actually liked)? 06:09 < calamari> kick52: the selected menu item appears to be a solid black rectangle from the screenshot.. is that how it looks on the ipod too? 06:09 < kick52> calamari: yes 06:09 < calamari> kick52: thanks a lot for the screenshots! 06:09 < kick52> thats ok 06:10 < calamari> so I guess we need a slowdown for the wheel :) 06:10 < kick52> calamari: how can i make a small demo app of my won and use your library? 06:10 < kick52> won = own 06:11 < calamari> I usually just copy a demo and base it on that 06:11 < kick52> cool 06:11 < calamari> the code to compile etc is in the makefile.. just modify it to your needs 06:12 < calamari> kick52: btw, if you clicked the buttons on the menu did it do anything? 06:12 < calamari> for example, rewind should exit and say "Cancel" 06:12 < calamari> and the middle button should select an item and print its name 06:12 < kick52> calamari: yer, it went to a new page and said the selection number and a number or something underneath. 06:13 < calamari> okay great 06:13 < kick52> calamari: do you have an ipod? 06:13 < calamari> nope! 06:13 < kick52> calamari: cool! 06:14 < kick52> calamari: whats iped? 06:15 < calamari> an ide for the compiler i'm writing 06:16 < courtc> is it, by chance in ncurses? 06:17 < calamari> nope 06:17 < courtc> shame. 06:17 < calamari> icurses 06:18 < BHSPitLappy> well you shouldn't, it's improper. 06:18 < BHSPitLappy> especially in front of ladies. 06:18 < calamari> bedtime 06:18 * courtc doesn't ask. 06:18 < calamari> thanks kick52.. ttyl! 06:19 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:19 < kick52> calamari: thanks so much 06:24 < courtc> grrr... I can't find it :'( 06:25 < kick52> cant find what? 06:26 < courtc> A gui design posted on the forums ages ago. 06:27 < courtc> It had a artist menu with collapsable album submenus 06:51 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@user-54425355.l5.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Computer goes to sleep!"] 06:56 -!- Zol [n=dsf@S0106004005c40c76.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:01 -!- Luke [n=Luke@74.132.239.95] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:15 -!- FiesoDuck [n=admin@dslb-084-061-117-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:16 < FiesoDuck> Hallo everybody! My name is Philip and i am from germany! After using the new firmware from apple i cant install ipod linux on my nano! 08:16 < FiesoDuck> I am using winxp ^^ 08:18 < FiesoDuck> anybody here? :P 08:22 < hyarion> FiesoDuck: nope 08:23 < hyarion> no idea, tried to reboot your computer? 08:23 < FiesoDuck> haven't tryed! thank you! 08:24 < FiesoDuck> hyarion: see you later ;) 08:24 -!- FiesoDuck [n=admin@dslb-084-061-117-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 08:24 < hyarion> eh... well who knows, it might work... :P 08:37 < courtc> It *is* windows. 09:03 -!- revelation_ [n=revelati@p3EE22CFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ipodlinux 09:04 < revelation_> Hi. I cannot start the official installer, because my system lacks the libcrypto.so.0.9.7 library. 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15:15 -!- iLauncher [i=yohu123@59.183.35.72] has quit [] 15:17 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@user-514d550b.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 15:38 -!- fxb is now known as fxb_ 15:42 -!- SUSaiyan [n=susaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 15:45 -!- Borat [n=shayan@216.100.95.240] has joined #ipodlinux 15:56 -!- debonzi is now known as debonzi_lunch 16:22 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:22 < calamari> hi 16:30 -!- Borat [n=shayan@216.100.95.240] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:36 -!- Luke [n=Luke@74.132.239.95] has joined #ipodlinux 16:37 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 17:00 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-246-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:04 -!- debonzi_lunch is now known as debonzi 17:10 < kick52> calamari: you still on? 17:10 < calamari> yep 17:10 < kick52> hi! 17:11 < calamari> hi :) 17:11 < calamari> how's it going? 17:11 < calamari> would you be willing to try an additional test? it is a modification to demo2b 17:11 < kick52> i made a test program that tested if you were scrolling, and it prints out a message if you are (left or right) and it works! yay! 17:11 < kick52> i'll try that. 17:12 < kick52> i'll test whatever you want 17:12 < calamari> it is so we can see everything on the smaller screen of the mini 17:12 < kick52> cool 17:12 < kick52> where is it? 17:12 < calamari> in demo2b there is a line commented out 17:12 < calamari> printf("%x", 8 * bold + fg); 17:12 < calamari> uncomment it and remove or comment the next line 17:13 < calamari> then there is a line printf("\n"); move that to just above return 0; 17:13 < calamari> if you'd like I can upload a modified version 17:13 < kick52> ok. doing that.... 17:13 < kick52> dont worry, i'll just edit 17:14 < calamari> what this will do is print less chars and also put it as one very long line with a \n at the end 17:15 < kick52> should i move the printf line out of the if loops? 17:15 < calamari> what I'm trying to do is find a single coplor scheme that works for b&w, photo, and video 17:15 < calamari> yep 17:15 < calamari> you don't even need the if statement 17:15 < kick52> done. building..... 17:16 < calamari> kick52: re your program, that sounds really cool 17:16 < calamari> I wonder if there is some kind of timer that we can use to slow down the scrolling 17:16 < kick52> its only a demo. but... it works! yay! 17:17 < kick52> what you could do is make a variable that the scroll goes into and when that reaches so much you could scroll up or down. so it checks for so many consetutive scrolls in one direction 17:18 < calamari> good idea 17:18 < calamari> I can modify keyboard_read to accept a number for that purpose 17:18 < calamari> afk to do that 17:19 < kick52> also could you tell me about the keyboard_echo? from what ive learned, it basicly blocks the keyboard. 17:19 < kick52> about modding keyboard_read, i think you should make a dupe of the keyboard_read and make a less sensitive function called keyboard_scroll 17:19 < kick52> ... or something 17:20 -!- thoand [n=thoand@gentoo/developer/thoand] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:20 < calamari> well, for the original function it'd just be keyboard_read(0) 17:20 -!- thoand [n=thoand@gentoo/developer/thoand] has joined #ipodlinux 17:21 < kick52> ok, just testing 2b 17:21 < kick52> i'll send you a screen 17:23 < kick52> shall i email it to you? 17:23 < calamari> sure 17:23 < kick52> ok 17:24 < calamari> btw I copied those two images from your webpage onto mine, so you can delete them if you want 17:24 < kick52> thanks. 17:25 < kick52> and..... 17:25 < kick52> sent 17:25 < calamari> cool, thank you 17:27 < kick52> would you allow me to use your library in a program that you could work on if you like? 17:29 < calamari> sure.. do whatever you want with the library.. it's gpl 17:31 -!- calestyo [n=calestyo@p54917455.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:33 < kick52> its a bootloader-type-thing. as you know, theres more than 1 -zilla. theres triplethreat, but has some bugs, and slows things down when loading. so im going to make a simple loader that launches up to three apps on boot, depending on what button you press on startup. a bit like loader1 17:38 -!- calestyo [n=calestyo@p54917455.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 17:39 -!- debonzi is now known as debonzi_away 17:42 -!- Luke [n=Luke@74.132.239.95] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 17:43 -!- fxb_ is now known as fxb 17:48 < kick52> sorry, gotta go. i'll be back in about 2 hours 18:00 < calamari> cya kick52 , thanks for the pic 18:01 -!- Eanmig [n=me@eng203-36.scs.ryerson.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 18:22 -!- calamari [n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:31 -!- Eanmig [n=me@eng203-36.scs.ryerson.ca] has quit [] 18:31 -!- Eanmig-Zaphod [n=Eanmig@141.117.175.146] has joined #ipodlinux 18:41 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-214-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:46 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:04 -!- vanberge [n=vanberge@c-24-11-24-78.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:06 < vanberge> sources say no... but thought i'd ask here... is it possible to downgrade ipod firmware from 1.2 to an earlier version? 19:21 < BleuLlama> anything is possible, danielson. 19:22 < jedix> extract the bin and push it to your magical partition 19:34 -!- Eanmig-Zaphod [n=Eanmig@141.117.175.146] has quit [] 19:40 -!- iplbot [i=josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:40 -!- josh [i=josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:50 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-214-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:53 -!- SereR0kR [n=SereR0kR@Ea4ed.e.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 19:58 -!- NsN [i=Gaspode@wh391.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #ipodlinux 20:02 -!- shaark [n=user@h238n3c1o1023.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:02 < shaark> hi 20:03 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-214-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:04 < NsN> Hi 20:07 < shaark> Can I install iPod Linux on iPod nano 2nd generation? 20:11 < NsN> Nope, at the moment it is not possible. 20:11 < BleuLlama> correct. not possible. not for a long while, if at all 20:14 < shaark> Okey, thanks for informations 20:16 -!- debonzi_away is now known as debonzi 20:29 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@201-42-133-243.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit ["be right back"] 20:31 -!- shaark [n=user@h238n3c1o1023.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["bye"] 20:37 < vanberge> BleuLlama, jedix... im not sure tha i know how to do that... im not finding much info online. 20:37 < vanberge> can either of you offer me some assistance? 20:38 < vanberge> or point me to some documentation online, etc? 20:39 -!- Ranix [n=Ranix@c-24-125-45-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 20:49 < Ranix> hey 20:51 < vanberge> Ranix: can you tell me the command to delete my ipods 1.2 firmware and downgrade it? :-P 20:53 < Ranix> sorry, the only way I know is how to downgrade with iPodWizard 20:53 < Ranix> I can look it up though 20:54 < vanberge> i was joking :-) 20:54 < vanberge> i can't do it in ipodwizard, it crashes when i try to do the downgrade function 20:54 < Ranix> huh 20:54 < Ranix> maybe since it's a new firmware 20:54 < Ranix> brb 20:54 < vanberge> i should have not upgraded :-( 20:56 -!- bmxr [n=bmxr@d64-180-4-139.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:00 < fxb> Hey Terry. 21:07 < bmxr> Hey felix 21:07 < bmxr> Bye felix 21:07 < fxb> haha 21:07 -!- bmxr [n=bmxr@d64-180-4-139.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:10 -!- Eanmig [n=me@eng203-36.scs.ryerson.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 21:12 < kick52> hi. im back. 21:12 < NsN> hi 21:12 < kick52> calamari: on here? 21:13 < Ranix> hey 21:14 < Ranix> I bricked my iPod 21:15 < Eanmig> u cant 21:15 < Ranix> one one exclamation mark zomg 21:15 < kick52> how? you cant 21:15 < Ranix> Well, I was walking ok 21:15 < Ranix> and all of a sudden this guy comes up takes it and slams it on the ground 21:15 < Ranix> then runs away like mad 21:15 < Eanmig> well in that case u can 21:15 < Ranix> how? 21:16 < Eanmig> u cant brick it through software but smacking it against the ground may brick it 21:16 < Ranix> OH we were still talking about the iPod?? 21:16 < kick52> what a bastard. 21:17 < Ranix> oh, you guys thought that my iPod got slammed on the ground? 21:17 < Ranix> I ment my bouncy ball I got 21:17 < Ranix> my bad 21:17 < Ranix> yea, I fixed my iPod 21:17 < Ranix> corrupt installer 21:17 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@user-514d550b.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Computer goes to sleep!"] 21:17 < vanberge> so, anybody know how to 'downgrade' the ipod from the 1.2 firmware? 21:17 < vanberge> :-) 21:18 < Eanmig> get the ipod firmware from the ipodlinux.org page and run it 21:18 < Eanmig> it will nuke everything currently on your ipod 21:19 < Eanmig> but you will have downgraded ti 21:19 < Ranix> uh 21:19 < Ranix> thats what he is trying to do 21:19 < Ranix> downgrade 21:19 < Eanmig> like i said .. he will have downgraded it 21:20 < Eanmig> there was no 'to' in there :) 21:20 < Eanmig> anyone here try my nes emulator? iDarcnes? 21:20 < Ranix> did you try it? 21:21 < Eanmig> i ported it :) 21:21 < Eanmig> so of course i tried it 21:22 < Ranix> oh 21:22 < Ranix> did you like it? 21:26 < Eanmig> sigh.. 21:31 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@user-5440ffcb.wfd81a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 21:32 < kick52> yo, im back 21:33 < kick52> is calamari on here? 21:35 < Ranix> he just left 21:35 < kick52> damn 21:35 < vanberge> Eanmig: i looked on ipl.org... i only saw old updaters. 21:35 < vanberge> and can't run those anymore 21:35 < Eanmig> um thats what u want 21:35 -!- Ranix [n=Ranix@c-24-125-45-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:35 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@pD9EB330E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ipodlinux 21:36 < vanberge> Eanmig: i have all those installed. i can't run them. 21:36 < vanberge> i get an error 'you must use itunes 7 to update/restore your ipod now" 21:36 < vanberge> i suppose i could just connect it to my laptop here and delete all partitions 21:37 < DerPapst> vanberge: i'm pretty sure you haven't read my note on the apple updates page 21:37 < DerPapst> http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Updaters 21:38 < DerPapst> and why do you want to downgrade at all? 21:41 -!- josh [i=josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:43 < courtc> DerPapst: sorry about misspelling your name in that edit message, I guess I'm a fan of PBR 21:43 < DerPapst> np ;) 21:43 < DerPapst> whats PBR? 21:44 < courtc> Pabst Blue Ribbon. It's a beer. 21:44 < DerPapst> ah ok ^^ 21:45 -!- kick52 [n=Tim@user-5440ffcb.wfd81a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Computer goes to sleep!"] 21:56 -!- Eanmig [n=me@eng203-36.scs.ryerson.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:58 -!- Stern [n=Stern@ool-44c51b38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:59 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-214-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:04 -!- DevHace [n=chatzill@adsl-68-75-36-110.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:04 < DevHace> Heya everyone! 22:05 < DerPapst> good morning 22:05 -!- erus` [n=Tom@AC8F661B.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:10 < DevHace> Morning? Where are you? It's 5 PM here. 22:14 < fxb> Germany. It's 00:13 here. 22:16 * DevHace glares at fxb 22:16 < DevHace> You banned Ranix. 22:17 < fxb> So what? 22:17 < fxb> btw: I didn't do it. 22:17 < DevHace> Well, it was because of you. Yea I guess you couldnt because you're only a mod 22:18 < fxb> It was because he got 3 warnings. 22:18 < DevHace> He only got 2 ;) 22:18 < fxb> I know it better. 22:19 < DevHace> You basically grabbed the iPL forums by the neck, strangled it and tore its soul out. 22:19 < fxb> Not the iPL forums, the Off-Topic section. 22:19 < DevHace> Oh? 22:20 < DevHace> Whatever. Same deal. 22:20 < DevHace> Off topic is for off topic 22:20 < DevHace> Anyways 22:20 < fxb> Right! But not for SPAM. 22:20 < fxb> And not for flames. 22:21 < DevHace> It was always relevant, heck I spam more then Ranix. 22:21 < DevHace> Well, putting aside that for a second 22:21 < DevHace> I need someones help. My computer is b0rked 22:22 < fxb> I Never heard the word "b0rked"... 22:22 < DevHace> And since you guys are all genius's I figured I'd come hur. 22:22 < DevHace> Broke 22:22 < Stern> lol 22:22 < Stern> dude 22:22 < DevHace> Stern! 22:22 < Stern> just try random shit 22:22 < DevHace> You're here! 22:22 < DevHace> HI! 22:22 < Stern> yeah 22:22 < Stern> i'm going to AA in a few minutes though 22:22 < Stern> :-P 22:22 < DevHace> I wanted a second opinion ;) 22:22 < DevHace> What? 22:23 < Stern> lmfao 22:23 < Stern> it's an acapella group that I'm in 22:23 < Stern> acapellics anonymous 22:23 < fxb> So what's your problem DevHace? 22:23 < Stern> not alcoholics anonymous 22:23 < Stern> fxb: his computer won't display anything on the screen when he starts it 22:23 < Stern> but it seems to do stuff 22:23 < DevHace> That's what I was gonna ask lol 22:23 < DevHace> Umm yea 22:23 < Stern> harddrives spin up 22:23 < DevHace> So it's not my graphics card 22:23 < DevHace> I sent that back 22:23 < DevHace> It works fine 22:23 < DevHace> Everything works fine! 22:24 < DevHace> Just no display. 22:24 < Stern> DevHace: are you doing dual-channel ram or single-channel? 22:24 < DevHace> Dual channel 22:24 < Stern> try using only one stick 22:24 < Stern> if it doesn't work, try using only the other 22:24 < DevHace> Okay 22:24 < DevHace> I'll try that then... 22:24 < Stern> if it's a ram issue, it's in one of the sticks 22:24 < DevHace> And not both? :P 22:25 < DevHace> Mmk then. Be right back... 22:25 < fxb> Or test another monitor. 22:25 < DevHace> I did that 22:25 < DevHace> Hah it's been broke for like a month 22:25 < DevHace> It sucks 22:25 < DevHace> My 1337 machine :'( 22:26 < BleuLlama> please take this discussion to another channel 22:26 * DevHace is an IRC n00b. What means this? 22:26 < fxb> Go to #izilla 22:26 < DevHace> You need to be voiced thar 22:27 < BleuLlama> then go to #devhace 22:27 < DevHace> Okay. Sorry. 22:28 < Stern> fxb: we don't want spam either lol 22:28 < Stern> jk 22:28 < Stern> not like I care, I'm the only one there 22:28 < Stern> and i'm about to go somewhere 22:28 < DevHace> Yo Stern you need to be voiced there right> 22:28 < DevHace> *? 22:28 < Stern> (whoa that rhymed!) 22:28 < Stern> yeah 22:28 < Stern> just join #devhace 22:28 < DevHace> Yea I did 22:32 * DevHace kisses Stern 22:32 < DevHace> It worsk! 22:32 < DevHace> YES! 22:33 -!- SereR0kR [n=SereR0kR@Ea4ed.e.strato-dslnet.de] has quit [] 22:34 -!- DevHace [n=chatzill@adsl-68-75-36-110.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]"] 22:35 < NsN> I was just wondering: Can to use the COP, can i write some POSIXs like threded code and just initialize the COP with one thread? 22:35 < NsN> -can 22:35 < fxb> NsN: there's some code in rockbox. 22:36 * fxb searches for the link 22:37 < fxb> NsN: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5755 22:37 < fxb> I think it hs to be implemented into the kernel. 22:37 < fxb> has* 22:39 < NsN> Thanks i will look into that. There is also some info on the forum, but most of it is at least one year old, i was wondering if there have been any new results... 22:54 < Test0r> Guys, need help! This always segfaults: "pz_menu_add_setting ("/Extras/Utilities/Recording/Settings/Rate", RATE, conf, rates);" 22:54 -!- Test0r is now known as jannis 22:54 < jannis> the var-types are the same as in menu.c 22:55 < jannis> ideas or do you need to see the whole code? 22:58 -!- fxb is now known as fxb_ 22:58 -!- DevHace [n=chatzill@adsl-68-75-36-110.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:58 < DevHace> In case anyone was worried 22:58 < DevHace> My computer is working now 23:05 -!- DevHace [n=chatzill@adsl-68-75-36-110.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]"] 23:08 < jannis> ok, fixed it some little 23:10 -!- DerPapst [n=DerPapst@pD9EB330E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ipodlinux [] 23:11 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:18 -!- Ranix [n=Ranix@c-24-125-45-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 23:18 < Ranix> hey stern 23:21 < Ranix> ah nvm, away 23:25 < Ranix> so, hows it going? 23:37 -!- cartman [i=cartman@laptricity.mobile.asu.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 23:45 -!- Borat [n=shayan@ip68-101-106-222.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:46 < Borat> Hey guys, can someone tell me where my loader.cfg is?, i need to edit it to put the iboy line in it. 23:50 < Borat> anyone? 23:52 -!- Luke [n=Luke@74.132.239.95] has joined #ipodlinux 23:52 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 23:52 -!- cartman is now known as fartman 23:55 -!- fartman [i=cartman@laptricity.mobile.asu.edu] has quit [] 23:55 < Borat> Hey guys, can someone tell me where my loader.cfg is?, i need to edit it to put the iboy line in it?, please? 23:57 < Ranix> it isn't in the iPodLinux folder root? 23:58 -!- spiorf [n=spiorf@host70-146.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Log closed Fri Oct 06 00:00:00 2006