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00:37 < yuriks> Hey
00:38 < yuriks> I'm trying to use the Installer 2 on Windows with a Nano, and I always get an "Error with SysInfo file"
00:38 < yuriks> err
00:38 < yuriks> "Invalid SysInfo file"
00:42 < yuriks> ok, apparently I'm missing that
00:43 < yuriks> can anyone give me yours? (if that works)
00:52 < yuriks> how do I downgrade my iPod now? =(
00:56 < yuriks> ...
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04:29 < bholland> hey all
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04:39 < BHSPitMonkey> hey... never mind
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08:53 < Jazon_init3> hi everyone
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10:11 < almostaskater62> is using sudo in os x dangerous?
10:11 < almostaskater62> can anyone tell me
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10:17 < almostaskater62> anyone?
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14:21 < iLauncher> courtc, you here yet?
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15:53 < DerPapst> one question... if there is already a module called "blah" and i made a new one called "blah 2" and i want to start "blah 2" it always loads "blah". also "blah" isn't visible in the menu where it is in (e.g /Extras/Games). An example is the original invaders game and gumbys invaders 2. if i put my module in another menu (e.g only /Extras) everything works correctly.
15:54 < DerPapst> does anybody know how i can fix this?
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16:00 < rconan> i got two bugs in the podzilla2 make process
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16:01 < rconan> if you run "make mrproper" while there is no .config in the root it fails
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16:02 < rconan> also menuconfig wont compile using my host compiler
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16:06 < rconan> is there anyone here even?
16:08 < davidc___> rconan: maybe
16:08 < rconan> did you read the problems i described
16:08 < rconan> ?
16:11 < davidc___> rconan: never seen those issues
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16:11 < davidc___> haven't tried the mrproper
16:11 < rconan> clean does the same
16:11 < eamon_> davidc___: Is there a reason I've been banned?
16:11 < davidc___> eamon_: whats your name?
16:11 < eamon_> ranunculoid
16:11 < davidc___> [on the forums]
16:11 < eamon_> yes
16:11 < davidc___> eamon_: oh yeah, you were discussing piracy.
16:12 < davidc___> You've got a week ban.
16:12 < eamon_> Nah, the developers preview is legal
16:12 < davidc___> eamon_: not for you to distribute
16:12 < davidc___> eamon_: its legal for that person to have, and thats only select ADC members
16:12 < eamon_> I wasn't distributing it
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16:12 < eamon_> Meh, ok see you in a week then
16:12 < davidc___> eamon_: and I quote "No joke. It's a developer's preview but it's a full working copy. It's on the usenet. Get it on OPP too if you're a member. Here's the link - http://oink.me.uk:81/details.php?id=736062 If not, PM me and I'll invite you peteargriffin62."
16:12 < christopheryoung> hi
16:12 < christopheryoung> this si ipodphoto
16:13 < davidc___> christopheryoung: yup, you're banned for the same reason as eamon
16:13 < christopheryoung> i have been banned and i dont know y
16:13 < davidc___> Piracy re Leopard
16:13 < christopheryoung> sorry
16:13 < eamon_> It's only for a week
16:13 < davidc___> yeah, you'll be back on in a week, or earlier if I start feeling sorry for you.
16:13 < christopheryoung> lol
16:13 < christopheryoung> feel sorry for me please
16:13 < eamon_> Nah, we're dirty pirates
16:13 < christopheryoung> my lifes shit right now
16:14 < eamon_> lol
16:14 < davidc___> yeah, I figured. But anyways, we have a 0 tolerance for piracy.
16:14 < christopheryoung> my mum woz in a car acciednt last week
16:14 < christopheryoung> no joke
16:14 < christopheryoung> i got dumped
16:14 < davidc___> christopheryoung: mmh, then you should be helping her out, not reading forums :D
16:14 < eamon_> Well you can live w/o iPL forums
16:14 < christopheryoung> of my girl of a year
16:14  * eamon_ pats christopheryoung on the back
16:14 < christopheryoung> lol
16:14 < eamon_> there, there
16:14 < christopheryoung> thanks
16:15 < christopheryoung> this is the first time i have used irc
16:15 < eamon_> It's a downward spiral
16:15 < christopheryoung> could i have my ban lifted if i promise not to ever pirate
16:15 < rconan> davidc___: i found a fix for the mconf.c issue in other programs. apparently its a problem with gcc-4.1
16:15 < christopheryoung> or talk bout piracy on ipl
16:16 < rconan> with the patch i made it compiles with gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.1
16:16 < christopheryoung> ?
16:16 < rconan> i cant say about other versions
16:16 < davidc___> christopheryoung: hmm...  I'll have to think about that
16:16 < eamon_> christopheryoung: It's only a week ban. Go outside, play some football, get some fresh air.
16:16 < christopheryoung> i play golf actually
16:16 < christopheryoung> im off 9
16:17 < christopheryoung> been playin everday this hols
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16:17 < christopheryoung> i need to relax with my ipod and ipl
16:17 < christopheryoung> plus theres hunreds of n00bs to help
16:18 < davidc___> fine fine, I'll let yo uoff the hook christopheryoung 
16:18 < christopheryoung> thank you very much
16:18 < davidc___> but It'll be a lot longer next time if you break your promise not to discuss piracy.
16:18 < christopheryoung> oki
16:18 < christopheryoung> agrred
16:18 < christopheryoung> *agreed
16:19 < davidc___> I don't care what you do in your personal life re piracy, but just don't bring it to iPL.
16:19 < christopheryoung> i will never
16:19 < christopheryoung> nyway
16:19 < eamon_> for the record, I'll also refrain from discussing it in the future too  :-)
16:19 < christopheryoung> do you know where impahsing is?
16:19 < davidc___> eamon_: you promise?
16:20 < eamon_> I do.
16:20 < eamon_> You dont need to lift the ban now like
16:20 < eamon_> I'll serve my time like a man :-D
16:20 < davidc___> eamon_: eh, already done :P
16:21 < eamon_> Alright then
16:21 < eamon_> Thank you!
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16:21 < christopheryoung> so do you know where imphasing is
16:22 < davidc___> christopheryoung: dunno, haven't seen him in a while
16:22 < christopheryoung> as i hope he hasnt given up on the mac mv_encoder
16:22 < christopheryoung> kl
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16:22 < christopheryoung> i seen him on the forums the other day but he wasnt on long
16:22 < davidc__[2]> the last time he was on IRC was 3 weks ago
16:22 < davidc__[2]> he might be on vacation
16:22 < christopheryoung> ok
16:22 < christopheryoung> thats kl
16:23 < christopheryoung> so i read the topic is about the discussion of hotdog
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16:24 < christopheryoung> i read a bit on the forum regardin the recent svn activity
16:26 < christopheryoung> wel im goin to head off
16:26 < christopheryoung> thank you very much for liftig my ban
16:27 < christopheryoung> i hope the next time we speak it will be about developement or something positive
16:27 < christopheryoung> :)
16:27 < christopheryoung> good bye
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16:29 < rconan> davidc__[2]: ive run some tests and the Kconfig in svn wont compile with either 4.0 or 4.1 on my pc
16:29 < davidc__[2]> rconan: huh.. I dunno.. I don't have access to test it right now
16:29 < davidc__[2]> [@work]
16:29 < davidc__[2]> I can'
16:29 < davidc__[2]> er, I can't look till I get home
16:29 < davidc__[2]> what causes the compile to fail?
16:29 < rconan> ok
16:29 < rconan> the static declaration of current_menu in mconf.c
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16:31 < Stern> davidc: damn, shouldn't have said anything in that thread...
16:31 < Stern> any way I can do something to rescind the temp ban?
16:32 < Stern> (I didn't mean BitTorrent...)
16:32 < Stern> (I meant that he should become an ADC member lol)
16:32 < Stern> whee thanks!
16:33 < Stern> I'll make sure never to do something like that again
16:34 < davidc__[2]> Stern: I just did it for 5 minutes because I knew it'd teach you a lesson :P
16:34 < Stern> ah lol
16:34 < Stern> :)
16:34 < Stern> well, it worked
16:34 < davidc__[2]> hehe, I hadn't even looked at this window then
16:34 < Stern> lol
16:34 < Stern> right after I typed that, I logged in
16:34 < davidc__[2]> and if you meant he should get an ADC membership, ya shoulda said it at the post ;)
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16:34 < Stern> I thought you read this
16:34 < Stern> lol
16:35 < davidc__[2]> nah, I hadn't yet.. I just saw you in the online box and thought a 5 minute ban would prove my point
16:35 < Stern> btw, manu should get more than a temp ban
16:35 < Stern> ah lol
16:35 < Stern> he hijacks every thread he posts in
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16:37 < davidc__[2]> he had the nerve to ask me to be a mod
16:38 < davidc__[2]> Stern: "I have a Demonoid account. It's a great BitTorrent site, but you're not gonna get the source for the emulator from there." Grrrrr......
16:46 < Stern> Haha.  I said nothing about using it for something illegal
16:46 < Stern> i just stated that I had an account
16:46 < Stern> and that it wouldn't be of use to get one
16:46 < Stern> I WAS DISSUADING THEM FROM GETTING ONE!
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16:46 < Stern> lol
16:47 < Stern> Also, that's before I saw about the temp bans.
16:47 < davidc__[2]> Stern: its still discussion of piracy :P
16:47 < davidc__[2]> er, we've been telling people off for piracy for ever
16:47 < Stern> they were talking about downloading an emulator
16:47 < Stern> lol
16:47 < Stern> true
16:47 < Stern> i was saying that you shouldn't do it if you want the source
16:47 < Stern> and just not to do it in any case
16:50 < Stern> um...
16:50 < Stern> manu made a new account
16:50 < Stern> ip ban him?
16:51 < Stern> his new name is "manu2"
16:51 < Stern> lol
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16:59 < davidc__[2]> Stern: omg he's an idiot "OK i will never do it again .... i never knew that i shouldn't post stuff like that.... where can i read the rules.... I'm the future mod so i should know the rules...... "
17:07 < DerPapst> david__[2]: are you a pz2 dev?
17:07 < davidc__[2]> DerPapst: I've done some work on it
17:07 < davidc__[2]> DerPapst: but nowhere near as much as josh_ opr courtc
17:08 < davidc__[2]> I think I have only a few lines in it
17:08 < davidc__[2]> whats your question?
17:08 < DerPapst> k...
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17:08 < DerPapst> its about registering modules
17:08 < davidc__[2]> DerPapst: registering as in sw?
17:08 < davidc__[2]> shoot.
17:08 < DerPapst> i've asked it before you came on :)
17:08 < DerPapst> if there is already a module called "blah" and i made a new one called "blah 2" and i want to start "blah 2" it always loads "blah". also "blah" isn't visible in the menu where it is in (e.g /Extras/Games). An example is the original invaders game and gumbys invaders 2. if i put my module in another menu (e.g only /Extras) everything works correctly.
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17:11 < DerPapst> btw: what's sw?
17:11 < iLauncher> DerPapst: software, i think ;)
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17:14 < DerPapst> ah..
17:14 < DerPapst> davidc__[2]: any idea?
17:22 < davidc__[2]> DerPapst: sorry, twas afk
17:22 < davidc__[2]> DerPapst: bug me this evening
17:22 < davidc__[2]> DerPapst: I'll figure out whats going on thenm
17:24 < iLauncher> courtc, you here yet?
17:26 < iLauncher> or can anyone tell me whether hotdog has been updated since yesterday. if yes, then whats its latest version. because when i run svn update. it just shows 'at revision 1341'
17:27 < DerPapst> pz_menu_add_action ("/Extras/Games/Blah 2/", new_ttt2_window); maybe it ignores everything behind the space, in this case the " 2". and if there is another module called "blah" it launches always "blah". something like "blah" == "blah 2"
17:28 < DerPapst> iLauncher: me too
17:28 < DerPapst> iLauncher: i have no idera why this is happening
17:28 < iLauncher> why what is happening?
17:29 < DerPapst> no idea
17:29 < rconan> iLauncher: i think you need to change to svn.ipodlinux.org
17:30 < rconan> current revision is 1349
17:30 < iLauncher> i went to svn.ipodlinux.org and its version is 1349. yesterday i tried the same thing and it updated my hotdog which matched the version on svn
17:31 < rconan> have you rechecked out the svn tree since they changed the server then?
17:32 < iLauncher> yes and i compared hotdog.h on the site with the one that i have. and there r differences in the code
17:32 < rconan> in that case i would say delete your entire tree and check it out again
17:34 < iLauncher> and i updated my hotdog just yesterday. but i was having a chat with courtc yesterday and he said that the code for hd_object was changed yesterday. its w and h values are supposed to re-size not crop. whereas uptil yesterday, it used to crop. so he said he will have a chat with josh_. today when i checked svn the version has upgrade from 1341 to 1349 already
17:34 < rconan> i thought you had said you were still stuck at revision 1341
17:34 < iLauncher> but i cant update. and im not the only one, even DerPapst is facing the same prob. can you please confirm rconan?
17:35 < rconan> what am i confirming
17:35 < rconan> my svn tree is at revision 1349
17:35 < rconan> i updated it earlier today
17:35 < iLauncher> using 'svn update'?
17:35 < rconan> yes
17:35 < rconan> from 1341
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17:38 < rconan> iLauncher: what happens if you check out the source again with "svn co http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools"
17:39 < iLauncher> i just want to update hotdog. not the entire svn tree. also hotdog itself has been updated since yesterday because there is a diff in the hotdog.h source
17:39 < rconan> i know hotdog has been updated
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17:40 < iLauncher> can i somehow only update hotdog? can you please tell me which files are required to compile hotdog. i will download them directly from the svn site and then run make again
17:40 < rconan> but i dont know why your svn update doesnt work
17:40 < rconan> if you want i will tar the latest hotdog source up for you
17:41 < iLauncher> it was working fine uptil yesterday. i know you updated your hotdog earlier today. but can you please try to run 'svn update' again on your pc to confirm whether its working fine for hotdog atleast
17:41 < iLauncher> oh yeah, that would be great too
17:41 < rconan> alternatively you can checkout just hotdog from svn with "svn co http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/hotdog"
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17:41 < rconan> if i run svn update now nothing happens as the tree is already up to date
17:42 < iLauncher> will that replace other files that i have placed in the hotdog dir?
17:42 < iLauncher> or just hotdog related files?
17:42 < rconan> i dont know
17:43 < iLauncher> k, ill backup the hotdog dir before running the update this way. now do i need to run this command from the hotdog dir itself or from the tool dir?
17:43 < rconan> just a sec
17:44 < rconan> that's the hotdog source from rev 1349
17:44 < iLauncher> oops. i didnt ignore it on purpose. can you send it again please?
17:44 < rconan> what do you have in the hotdog dir other than the svn hotdog source anyway?
17:46 < iLauncher> my proj files for ilaunch. sorry about the block again. ive disabled the ignore option. lets try this one more time
17:47 < iLauncher> finally
17:48 < iLauncher> it says..accepting send, connection failed
17:48 < iLauncher> can you email it to me?
17:49 < iLauncher> i cant believe this bad luck
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17:53 < iLauncher> rconan, are you there?
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17:55 < almostaskater62> just to let any mod/admin that's in here know i was not going to download leapord, there' s no way i would erase mywhole harddrive to put on an os that didnt have too big a change of working. i just wanted to see the screenshots
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17:56 < rconan> iLauncher: yes i have returned
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18:08 < canuckid> busonerd?
18:08 < canuckid> davidc_
18:08 < canuckid> ??
18:08 < canuckid> are you there lol
18:09 < canuckid> well this is to any administrator, can I be on probation like you did to khoipan?
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18:21 < tuxnoob> anyone know how to remove the black behind text on schemes
18:21 < tuxnoob> on the menu. I am using hotdog but can't figure it out
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18:38 < iLauncher> what changes were made since yesterday in hotdog?
18:39 < tuxnoob> thats what I am trying to find out right now
18:39 < iLauncher> now my iLaunch is all screwed up, behaving very differently and crashing all the time. nothing is working correctly anymore. and all i wanted was to re-size an image and thought that was added in the latest version of hotdog
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18:41 < tuxnoob> it was
18:41 < tuxnoob> at least thats what i was told
18:41 < iLauncher> should i revert back to revision 1341 or is something really wrong with revision 1349
18:41 < iLauncher> because i didnt change a thing in my code. i just recompiled it using the latest version of hotdog, thats all
18:42 < iLauncher> and from a very stable ilaunch. its doing nothing but crashing
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18:42 < Rednifre> Hi there.
18:42 < iLauncher> courtc, what should i do. please help?
18:43 < Rednifre> I don't own an mp3-player, but I'm thinking about buying an ipod. Video is not that important to me, so I tend towards a nano. It seems nice, that ipodlinux can play uncompressed videos, but how many hours/minutes of uncompressed video would fit in a 4GB nano?
18:45 < tuxnoob> Well
18:45 < tuxnoob> it can play compressed video now
18:45 < tuxnoob> :) So a 4gb would do just fine
18:45 < Rednifre> huh?
18:45 < Rednifre> really?
18:45 < tuxnoob> yeah. here one second
18:45 < Rednifre> i did not know that. Where can I find information about compressed video playback for the nano/
18:45 < courtc> iLauncher: make sure you clean you project before recompiling.
18:46 < courtc> It works fine here.
18:46 < tuxnoob> http://ipodlinux.org/Mv_player
18:46 < iLauncher> i did. i ran make clean && make IPOD=1
18:46 < tuxnoob> @ Redmofre
18:46 < tuxnoob> Rednifre*
18:46 < Rednifre> thanks for that link. I'll read it right now...
18:46 < tuxnoob> Just ask if you want anymore information.
18:47 < iLauncher> firstly, i couldnt run 'svn update' because it kept saying 'at revision 1349'. so then rconan said that he had earlier today updated hotdog to 1349. so i asked him to give me his hotdog source. i replaced my hotdog dir with the one he gave. i confirmed that the hotdog.h file was matching with the one on svn.ipodlinux.org. so i assumed that the hotdog source he gave me was for 1349
18:48 < Rednifre> Yes, sure. What would I do to when I want to watch a video? Can I convert any format to ipod viewable? 
18:48 < Rednifre> And what is mvpd?
18:49 < iLauncher> since the latest ver of hotdog had the re-size capability for hd_object, i wanted to update really bad. and this was the only option i could think of
18:49 < tuxnoob> Eh, thats kind of a weird process. Basically you convert your video to .mvpd format, native only to mv_player, and then you use a shell script to launch video's
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18:49 < tuxnoob> It sounds confusing, but is really extremely simple.
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18:49 < Stern> yeah, it's not hard
18:50 < Stern> especially if you're good at following directions
18:50 < iLauncher> courtc..........
18:50 < tuxnoob> Stern here showed me
18:50 < Stern> iLauncher: remind me what your problem is?
18:50 < tuxnoob> And if he can teach someone like ME how to do it, you will be fine
18:50 < Stern> tuxnoob: yup! :)
18:50 < Rednifre> so .mvpd is a special format just for that player, but I can convert any format, like e.g. .avi to that?
18:50 < Stern> Rednifre: I think you can only convert .avi
18:50 < tuxnoob> I have 3 mpg video's that I converted and they work fine though
18:50 < Stern> the converter uses other programs, one of which only can convert .avi
18:50 < Stern> really?
18:50 < iLauncher> i think i will have to do an svn update. thats the only way i will get myself out of this mess
18:50 < Stern> i didn't know mencoder did mpd
18:50 < tuxnoob> Yeah. I don't know how
18:51 < Stern> iLauncher: yeah, probably
18:51 < Rednifre> Hm, that's ok. Most of the videos I want to watch on an iPod are .avi.
18:51 < Rednifre> But what about subtitles?
18:51 < Rednifre> Are they supported?
18:51 < Stern> Rednifre: if the subtitles are part of the video, sure
18:51 < tuxnoob> Uh...stern this one's yours :)
18:51 < Rednifre> What if I want to watch a japanese manga with subtitles?
18:51 < Stern> Rednifre: is it a .avi movie?
18:51 < Rednifre> yes
18:51 < Stern> Rednifre: or is it a dvd with subtitles
18:51 < courtc> iLauncher: umm.. Nothing has changed for HD_ScaleBlendClip since r1343
18:52 < Stern> if it's .avi, then the subtitles will be there
18:52 < Stern> .avi is a simple video
18:52 < Stern> anything you see in the video will be converted
18:52 < Rednifre> hm. Are the letters readible on the tiny ipod screen?
18:52 < tuxnoob> Never tried it:( What manga? I hope you are going to be watching evangelion...
18:52 < Stern> Rednifre: Not sure.  Probably.
18:52 < Stern> tuxnoob:  haha.  Cowboy Bebop and Ruroni Kenshin are the best.
18:53 < iLauncher> courtc: not for that. for hd_object you said that you will have a talk with josh_ about it and will update hotdog accordingly so that the w and h params of hd_object resize an image, not crop it
18:53 < tuxnoob> Psh. I just picked up Rahxephon...now that is a kickass no name manga. but back to IPL...
18:53 < iLauncher> thats the main reason i wanted to update hotdog
18:53 < courtc> Yea, it never did crop. I've tested it.
18:53 < Rednifre> Hm, I go look at some ipod screenshot to compare the fontsize to the subtitle font size in order to make an estimation about readability. brb
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18:54 < iLauncher> courtc: in which revision of hotdog does it resize?
18:55 < tuxnoob> Anyone think the IPL community would be interested in an updated WinXP theme or a sweet BMW theme?
18:55 < courtc> I'm compiling against 1349 currently and previos versions also worked fine for me.
18:56 < iLauncher> so you are saying that even for revision 1341, the w and h params of hd_object resizes and not crops the image?
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18:59 < courtc> yes.
19:01 < iLauncher> but why wasnt it working for me? i had updated to 1341 yesterday itself, with your help. i purposely changed the width and height of my 5g screen from 320x240 to 320x140. i also assigned w=320 and h=140 for the image whose actual size is 320x240
19:01 < iLauncher> but all it did was not display the remaining height of 100 of that image
19:01 < courtc> and you used HD_PNG_Create?
19:01 < iLauncher> yes
19:01 < courtc> Works fine for me.
19:02 < iLauncher> :(
19:02 < courtc> why did you change the screen size?
19:03 < iLauncher> courtc: please understand that the actual size of the image is 320x240 and i want to resize it to 320x140, which is the same size ive set for the screen. so if i just assign w=320 and h=140 for the hd_object for which i used hd_png_create(), it will resize that image and not crop it?
19:04 < courtc> Yes, but why did you resize the screen?
19:05 < Rednifre> How long does it take to install ipl? I'm a Linux beginner (Just installed ubuntu and can't even install opera :( I'm currently using windows). A wild guess would suffice (like 1h, about 5h ...).
19:05 < iLauncher> because i wanted to test a screensize smaller than mine. thats the whole point. the nano screen size is much smaller. so i was trying to simulate that
19:05 < tuxnoob> @ Rednifre, not too long at all. ANd it is very simple because of the Installer for windows
19:05 < courtc> iLauncher: You probably changed the screen size improperly. Try just resizing the image.
19:06 < iLauncher> hmm
19:06 < Rednifre> hm, sounds good. Thanks for all your help tuxnoob & co!
19:06 < Rednifre> Good night.
19:06 < tuxnoob> sure. I expect to be talking to you soon when you own a 4gb nano... :)
19:07 < Rednifre> Yeah, I'll return when I have one!
19:07 < Rednifre> bye!
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19:11 < iLauncher> courtc: i just tried it. i kept the screen size normal ie.320x240 and set the w and h params for the hd_object as 320x140 like so:
19:11 < iLauncher>  obj[0] = HD_PNG_Create("/mnt/iLaunch/image1.png");
19:11 < iLauncher>         obj[0]->x = 0;
19:11 < iLauncher>         obj[0]->y = 0;
19:11 < iLauncher>         obj[0]->w = 320;  
19:11 < iLauncher>         obj[0]->h = 140;   
19:11 < iLauncher> im not using any other params of hd_object btw
19:12 < iLauncher> courtc: so whats wrong with this?
19:14 < courtc> Like I said, it works fine for me.
19:14 < iLauncher> and what i typed above should work too or am i missing any params of hd_object?
19:15 < courtc> shoule be fine as long as you register the object.
19:15 < iLauncher> yup, i do
19:16 < iLauncher> is there another way of resizing the image. maybe hd_scaleblendclip might still come handy?
19:17 < courtc> HD_ScaleBlendClip is already used to render that.
19:17 < iLauncher> oh
19:20 < iLauncher> i noticed in the revision 1349 of hotdog.h that a 'renderpart' param is being used which wasnt there in revision 1341. has that something to do with resizing of the image?
19:21 < courtc> Yes, it'll resize and crop a certain part of the object, however the behavior is the same for me.
19:22 < iLauncher> what scenario did you use to test the resizing of the image. by that i mean, what were the sizes of the screen, actual/resized values of the image?
19:24 < courtc> the size of the screen is 1024x768. I resized a 1024x768 image to 640x480 and another 1280x960 image to fit t he screen at 1024x768
19:24 < iLauncher> huh? have you tried this on an ipod?
19:25 < courtc> nope.
19:26 < iLauncher> hmm. if you like you can download my source and check it for yourself. the images are in the binary zip file. because im sure it works very differently on the ipod
19:27 < courtc> considering my only color ipod is out of batteries  right now...
19:27 < iLauncher> do you have another kinda ipod like a 3g or something?
19:27 < iLauncher> because color doesnt matter here. size does matter
19:27 < iLauncher> ;)
19:28 < courtc> one dead 1g and another completely drained mini
19:28 < iLauncher> :0
19:28 < iLauncher> how many ipods do you have?
19:28 < courtc> three
19:28 < iLauncher> oh
19:29 < iLauncher> because you really have to see it for yourself to believe it. i have confirmed it many times. the image gets completely cropped from the bottom 100 of the image
19:30 < iLauncher> also, where exactly in the hotdog source is hd_scaleblendclip being used in hd_object? i cant find anywhere in hd_object wherein its being called
19:32 < courtc> in hd_object.render
19:34 < Stern> courtc:  is there a way to "permanently" disable the header bar in ttk?
19:34 < Stern> or replace it with some other widget?
19:34 < courtc> Stern: read the API
19:34 < Stern> i looked
19:35 < Stern> lol
19:35 < Stern> http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h275/ichaelmay8/izillamodconcept.png
19:35 < Stern> that's the new iZilla concept image
19:35 < Stern> we'd want that menu bar instead of the header
19:35 < Stern> would that be possible?
19:35 < fxb> yes
19:35 < Stern> cool
19:35 < Stern> I looked at the API, but didn't spend _too_ much time looking at it
19:36 < Stern> also, I read in the API that if you want multiple input widgets, you'll need a "parent" widget to transfer the focus between them
19:36 < Stern> am I right that it's possible to make a "parent" widget that would give the focus to the widget that is underneath the mouse?
19:37 < Stern> because the only way that input could be given would be from the mouse or the on-screen keyboard
19:37 < Stern> and that would be it's own window
19:37 < iLauncher> anybody that has any other ipod gen other than 5g willing to test my ilaunch?
19:37 < tuxnoob> I'm game iLauncher
19:37 < Stern> iLauncher: I have a photo at home, but I'
19:37 < Stern> *I'm at work ATM
19:37 < tuxnoob> well, depending on how long it would take...
19:37 < Stern> iLauncher:  maybe when I get home
19:37 < tuxnoob> I am at work too. And I work at a restaurant haha
19:38 < tuxnoob> So I don't have too much time.
19:38 < iLauncher> oh k. tuxnoob: what gen ipod you got?
19:38 < tuxnoob> well I have three of them. But I have a 4g handy
19:38 < iLauncher> will do. do you have time to test ilaunch?
19:39 < tuxnoob> Well my boss doesn't really like us mangy teenagers using his computer, but I'd say i have about 10 minutes
19:39 < tuxnoob> that enough time?
19:39 < iLauncher> could be
19:39 < tuxnoob> tell ya what, I will be home in about a half n hour.
19:39 < tuxnoob> I can do it then, say 4 or 410
19:39 < iLauncher> its already 1:10am here
19:40 < tuxnoob> jesus
19:40 < iLauncher> im dead tired and wanna sleep. but i wont get sleep until i confirm this cropping thing
19:40 < tuxnoob> I probably won't have enough time. I could possibly try to get off now and be home in about 15 minutes, but its up to you.
19:41 < iLauncher> no, its ok. thanx for all your efforts guys. maybe tomorrow
19:41 < tuxnoob> Sorry iLauncher :( . I will do it for you first thing tomorrow though.
19:41 < iLauncher> i think i dont have to worry about sleeping. the keyboard looks like a pillow right now!!
19:42 < iLauncher> np ppl. tomorrow is fine. see ya, thanx again. bye
19:43 < iLauncher> oh and thankyou courtc. i will be able to confirm tomorrow whether it actually crops or resizes on a non-5g ipod since i cant simulate it on mine
19:44 < tuxnoob> Gotta go guys, be back in a bit.
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20:44 < tuxnoob> Does anyone know how to alter pz2 default settings? If I change my appearence settings, most save, but menu transition and Decorations do not. Any way to alter their defaults?
20:45 < tuxnoob> I was thinking to just delete all the other options other than the ones I want >:)
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20:53 < yuriks> Hi
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21:36 < tuxnoob> Woo! finished my new and improved WinXP theme
21:44 < yuriks> hmm, I can't install iPL =(
21:45 < yuriks> complains about missing file
21:45 < fxb> SysInfo?
21:46 < yuriks> yeah
21:46 < fxb> downgrading your apple firmware might help
21:46 < yuriks> on the forums they tell people to downgrade the firmware
21:46 < yuriks> but how do I fool the updater in doing a downgrade?
21:47 < yuriks> since I can't change the version number in SysInfo
21:47 < fxb> mmh
21:47 < fxb> dunno, i never had this problem
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21:49 < yuriks> =/
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21:51 < tuxnoob> yuriks, what I did was find an older updater download, and just restored with that.
21:54 < fxb> http://www.ipodwizard.net/updaters <-- btw, i made that page, ok it's only an image :)
21:55 < yuriks> tuxnoob: I would like to not lose my music =P
21:55 < yuriks> I spent... some time waiting for the album covers to upload >_<
21:55 < fxb> try to create your own sysinfo file...
21:55 < fxb> to fool the updater or the ipl installer
21:56 < yuriks> ooo, can I do that?
21:56 < yuriks> (and is it that hard to just send me one >_<)
21:56 < fxb> i didn't try it
21:56 < tuxnoob> I thought the SysInfo was unique to each iPod
21:57 < fxb> yep
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21:57 < yuriks> meh, I'll just install manually then =P
21:57 < fxb> ok, thats easier
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21:58 < tuxnoob> fxb, is there a .cfg file (or something similar) where pz2's appearence settings are saved
21:59 < tuxnoob> a few of the ones I change (specifically, menu transition and wheel sensitivity) don't save
21:59 < courtc> /etc/podzilla/podzilla.conf
21:59 < tuxnoob> thanks courtc.
22:00 < courtc> They are saved on exit from the settings menu
22:00 < tuxnoob> I know but something is preventing menu transition and wheel sensitivity from being saved
22:00 < tuxnoob> so I am just going to manually change them.
22:00 < tuxnoob> er...at least i hope to.
22:01 < courtc> svn co http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/pzconf
22:03 < yuriks> oh crap
22:03 < yuriks> apparently I NEED to resize my FAT partition on Nanos =(
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22:03 < yuriks> I wonder if I can make parted resize it...
22:03 < tuxnoob> its not hard
22:03 < tuxnoob> there are so many tut's on the forums that anyone, literally anyone, can do it.
22:04  * courtc watches yuriks lose his music.
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22:06 < tuxnoob> haha. uh courtc, when I try to edit my podzilla.conf in kwrite, it has like 5 weird symbols.
22:06 < courtc> yup.
22:06 < yuriks> courtc: heh
22:06 < yuriks> I had an awesome ideia
22:06 < courtc> tuxnoob: svn co http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/pzconf
22:06 < yuriks> I'll copy all file from the FAT part to my HD
22:07 < yuriks> resize it, anbd copy the files back
22:07 < yuriks> does the FAT partition need to have any special proprieties?
22:07 < tuxnoob> oh haha thanks courtc. Didn't see that the first time
22:09 < tuxnoob> alright, I was trying to figure this out on my own, but what do I do with svn co http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/pzconf ...I have no idea why you sent me that.
22:09 < tuxnoob> my noobishness was bursting at the seems and it finally ripped :(
22:09 < courtc> cd pzconf && make
22:09 < tuxnoob> it says command not found for svn
22:10 < courtc> well, install subversion
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22:12 < courtc> then that'll get the pzconf utility source, compile it and you have a very user unfriendly utility to change pz settings
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22:15 < tuxnoob> ah. thanks haha. I will probably be back with more stupid questions
22:15 < DerPapst> david__[2]: are you there?
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22:16 < courtc> DerPapst: what's up?
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22:23 < DerPapst> i have a problem registering my module.
22:23 < DerPapst> in podzilla
22:24 < DerPapst> if there is already a module called "blah" and i made a new one called "blah 2" and i want to start "blah 2" it always loads "blah". also "blah" isn't visible in the menu where it is in (e.g /Extras/Games). An example is the original invaders game and gumbys invaders 2. if i put my module in another menu (e.g only /Extras) everything works correctly.
22:24 < tuxnoob> change the name?
22:25 < tuxnoob> blah_2?
22:25 < DerPapst> yeah but this looks bad in the menu if there is a underscore...
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22:27 < DerPapst> also underscore also don't work
22:27 < courtc> Er.
22:27 < DerPapst> -also :)
22:27 < courtc> Let me look at the source.
22:27 < DerPapst> thx
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22:32 < yuriks> does the iPL partition need to be anywhere in special?
22:33 < courtc> not first.
22:33 < yuriks> ?
22:33 < yuriks> ah, not sda1:
22:33 < yuriks> ?
22:33 < courtc> don't put it before the FAT partition blockwise.
22:34 < yuriks> ah, ok
22:34 < yuriks> the end then?
22:35 < courtc> That's the best place for it.
22:36 < courtc> DerPapst: you have it in the directory "blah 2" ?
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22:43 < tuxnoob> anyone know the screen size of a photo?
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22:45 < courtc> 220x176
22:46 < DerPapst> http://ipodlinux.org/Screen_Sizes here they are :)
22:46 < courtc> ;)
22:47 < tuxnoob> thanks. gd my lack of patience with IPL wiki search engines :(
22:47 < yuriks> oh crap
22:47 < yuriks> I accidentaly overwrote the backups -_-
22:47 < yuriks> I backuped one backup over another
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22:47 < yuriks> meh
22:48 < tuxnoob> backups, psh don't need them
22:48 < tuxnoob> I have installed IPL about 15 times, and never had any use for them. ever.
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22:58 < yuriks> tuxnoob: what if I wan't to update the iPod OS?
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23:04 < DerPapst> courtc: did you have already found something?
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23:15 < yuriks> woot, now I just need to install doom
23:15 < yuriks> and test some videos while I'm at it
23:19 < jedix> I think he means iPr0n
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23:21 < yuriks_> hmm, can iDoom run Doom II?
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23:36 < Clusty> hey
23:37 < Clusty> just installed linux on my G4 ipod and here is issue: managed to restart once and all was fine
23:37 < Clusty> now at second reboot the HDD is working like crazy while "initializing modules-MPD". this is for like 10 min already
23:37 < Clusty> is it normal?
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23:42 < DerPapst> maybe it is adding your songs
23:42 < DerPapst> in its database
23:43 < tuxnoob> yuriks: You using mv_player or uncompressed .avi's
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23:44 < tuxnoob> and @Clusty: pz2 has issues with the MPD module. Search for some fixes (if there are any) at www.ipodlinux.org/forums
23:44 < Clusty> do i even freaking need it?
23:45 < DerPapst> if you want to play music yes
23:45 < Clusty> LOOL
23:45 < tuxnoob> if you want music through your IPL partition. But that is pointless to most of us, why not just boot up in the Apple firmware for music
23:45 < tuxnoob> for all other stuff, just boot up in IPL
23:45 < Clusty> cause i have loads of FLAC files
23:45 < Clusty> :-D
23:46 < tuxnoob> if you want mpd, do a fake update by editing you SysInfo file, reinstall IPL, and use pz0 instead of pz2
23:46 < tuxnoob> MPD _should_ work
23:46 < Clusty> i guess i need lots of reading to do :-D
23:47 < Clusty> even though i am a keen linux user, i have no idea what are you talking about :-D
23:47 < DerPapst> Clusty: how many music files do you have?
23:47 < Clusty> like 15 GB
23:47 < DerPapst> MPD == Music Player Deamon
23:48 < Clusty> i googled that, figured out
23:48 < DerPapst> then you need 15min - 30min creating the database
23:48 < Clusty> so now ipodlinux made like 1 new ext2 partition just for files
23:48 < Clusty> boot i mean
23:49 < Clusty> the main bulk of data will still be on the FAT?
23:49 < DerPapst> if you have a winpod and used an installer you have a new ext2 parition
23:50 < Clusty> yeap
23:50 < DerPapst> nearly everything that has to do with linux is stored there
23:50 < DerPapst> kernel, userland, modules, schemes...
23:50 < Clusty> basically boot/aplications
23:51 < DerPapst> yupp
23:51 < DerPapst> think so :)
23:51 < Clusty> so MPD will read the itunesDB?
23:52 < Clusty> i will still put music through itunes/gtkpod?
23:52 < DerPapst> no. it creates its own database
23:52 < Clusty> but i mean it reads the itunesDB?
23:52 < tuxnoob> well, its supposed to anyways
23:52 < DerPapst> no
23:52 < DerPapst> as i said ;)
23:53 < DerPapst> i check whether tere are new files every time you boot iPL
23:53 < DerPapst> *it checks
23:54 < DerPapst> but you can still add song with iTunes or gtkpod
23:54 < Clusty> since names are scrambled in itunesDB where does it read correct artist info?
23:54 < DerPapst> ID3-Tag
23:55 < Clusty> ...if all files would be tagged properly
23:55 < DerPapst> yes
23:55 < Clusty> thanx anyways for help
23:55 < Clusty> i might need to reupload my lubrary
23:56 < DerPapst> but if you use iTunes and want to find your pm3 in apple firmware they already should be organized
23:56 < Clusty> cant wait to watch movies
23:56 < Clusty> hope they are supported by my gadget
23:56 < Clusty> :)
23:58 < Clusty> gnite
23:58 < Clusty> thanx again for patiebnce with a noobie
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