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01:56 < phlip> could someone help me out with using cygwin on windows and adding more packages and games to the ipod
01:56 < phlip> im exremely noob
01:57 < phlip> extremely*
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02:33 < sipher> So I have another idea for a project that there's no way I could do... I remember seeing some noob project on MAKE (I think?) about using your ipod with a Griffin Total Remote to control TV's etc.. but it was stupid because you had to scroll through and pick the sound "#5" and then "#0" to switch to channel 50 for example..
02:34 < sipher> but I was thinking with IL you could have it download a TV guide and you could read descriptions of what's on etc., hit a button and it would flip to that channel
02:34 < sipher> poor man's PVR type navigation. :P
02:34 < sipher> mans*
02:35 < sipher> Although the Total Remote is apparently impossible to buy.. even on the web now.
02:35 < sipher> So it would have to be via some ipod remote
02:37 < sipher> You could have it remind you of shows coming on too. All kinds of things.
02:39 < sipher> on a side note, MS decides it would be a bad idea to include a UA string in web-services client/servers - http://connect.microsoft.com/wcf/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=124286 heh
02:40 < sipher> "Thank you for this feedback. We are currently considering whether to supply a user agent by default." .. "We have decided to not apply a default brand on the client or server for this release."
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04:17 < sk8rboi11590> is there someone here who could assist me?
04:20 < sk8rboi11590> is there anyone here at all?
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04:23 < sk8rboi11590> hello, can you help me?
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04:35 < tibix> hey
04:35 < tibix> my ipod has a problem
04:36 < tibix> it stay in logo apple
04:36 < tibix> i rebooted and continue .. also .. readed wiki instructions
04:37 < tibix> 0,*
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04:50 < sk8rboi11590> hello?
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05:56 < tazmin> good morning
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06:04 < tazmin> i've installed ipodlinux on my ipod nano from linux, podzilla 2006-02-24CVS. i'm needing clarification on module directory installation?
06:08 < tazmin> i've been reading the wiki and it seems like all one has to do to install a module directory is copy it to <ipodroot>/usr/lib/. i've done this for textinput and tiwidgets (extracted tar.gz files and copied to create directories in <ipodroot>/usr/lib/textinput and <ipodroot>/usr/lib/tiwidgets) and from what i understand the modules will be loaded on boot...right?
06:10 < tazmin> however, when i check in Settings, there are no text input options
06:21 < messi[ah]_> mh
06:22 < messi[ah]_> seems quite good what you have done.
06:22 < messi[ah]_> lemme check
06:23 < messi[ah]_> http://ipodlinux.org/Text_Input#Installation
06:23 < messi[ah]_> read this
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06:57 < tempel> wooo
07:01 < tempel> erus`, you there?
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09:43 < erus`> yes
09:43 < erus`> tempel, here now
09:44 < tempel> ah. just wanted to let you know that "img files" are indeed .iso files, at least in the mac world
09:44 < tempel> .iso is misleading:
09:44 < tempel> it used to mean that it's sector copy of a CD-ROM with an ISO 9660 file system on it
09:45 < tempel> later it became the extension for all sector-based disk images
09:45 < tempel> on the mac, however, the common term was always "image" or "disk image"
09:45 < tempel> nowadays ".img" and ".dmg" are used as extensions
09:45 < erus`> :O ok
09:46 < erus`> thanks for correcting me
09:46 < tempel> teaching would be a better term :)
09:47 < tempel> i figure that if you like to support ppl then you should want to learn some things :)
09:47 < tempel> unless, of course, you enjoy misleading others :-D
09:48 < erus`> nope, 'misleading isnt my cup of tea' ;)
09:49 < erus`> errr... with the first quoteie thing after misleading
09:49 < erus`> i just got up ;)
09:50 < tempel> where about are you living, if i may ask?
09:52 < erus`> england
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11:07 < spiorf> hi, is this the right place to ask about linux on ipod nano?
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11:14 < erus`> spiorf, you wont get any support from the devs, but other may help you
11:15 < spiorf> i have a little problem: i cant boot my ipod nano with the apple's firmware.
11:15 < spiorf> i tried all the option for boot in the installer
11:17 < tempel> spiorf, if you dare to let me look at your nano, i might be able to figure out what went wrong
11:17 < tempel> download this: http://ipodlinux.org/Rohpod
11:17 < tempel> latest verison
11:17 < tempel> run it, use the "remote" menu -> connect -> Start button
11:18 < tempel> that connects to me and i can look at your ipod when it's connected
11:18 < tempel> spiorf?
11:18 < spiorf> i have restored apple's firmware
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11:18 < spiorf> i'll try another day
11:19 < erus`> thats raw dedication
11:19 < spiorf> i just bought the ipod, i want to play with it a little before breaking it
11:19 < spiorf> :)
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13:03 < Drugo> hi
13:03 < Drugo> do you know how to change the web sharing folder from the default one to one that i i like
13:03 < Drugo> example : my web sharing folder is on home/users/me/sites
13:03 < Drugo> i'd like to put it in another place, how to do it? do i have to edit httpd.conf file?
13:10 < tempel> this is the wrong place to ask for that. go to macosxhints.com
13:11 < Drugo> by the way, is there a channel here dedicated to mac os x?
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13:15 < ido_> hey guys, can anyone answer me a question regarding to itunesDB ?
13:18 < ido_> If i'd like to change the names of songs displayed on the ipod's original firmware, should I change the filename <or> ID3, or can I change them somehow in the itunesDB files ? (I'm chanigng letters so it would support RTL text)
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14:12 < tazmin> ido_: both the apple firmware and ipodlinux read the file's ID3 tags, you can change them using a program like gtkpod if you're under linux
14:12 < tazmin> i'm not sure about directly editing the iTunesDB files though...
14:13 < tazmin> sounds dangerous :P
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14:23 < ido_> lots of windows programs do that
14:24 < ido_> instead of using itunes to copy songs
14:24 < ido_> If i'd like to change the names of songs displayed on the ipod's original firmware, should I change the filename <or> ID3, or can I change them somehow in the itunesDB files ? (I'm chanigng letters so it would support RTL text)
14:24 < ido_> oops
14:24 < ido_> eh
14:28 < tempel> why do you have to ask? it should be very quick to test this yourself
14:28 < tempel> the itunesdb format is doc'd on the wiki, btw, i believe
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14:36 < tazmin> more people are up now :)
14:36 < tazmin> i've installed ipodlinux on my ipod nano from linux, podzilla 2006-02-24CVS. i'm needing clarification on module directory installation?
14:36 < tazmin> i've been reading the wiki and it seems like all one has to do to install a module directory is copy it to <ipodroot>/usr/lib/. i've done this for textinput and tiwidgets (extracted tar.gz files and copied to create directories in <ipodroot>/usr/lib/textinput and <ipodroot>/usr/lib/tiwidgets) and from what i understand the modules will be loaded on boot...right?
14:36 < tazmin> however, when i check in Settings, there are no text input options
14:38 < tempel> none at all? did you install by hand? the smarter way would be to use an installer, then modify what's present. the installer2 does install many text input modules already
14:39 < tazmin> i installed by hand and was rather proud of  it :'(
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14:41 < tazmin> i was wary of using the installer because i had read the installer actually does it incorrectly, placing the linux fs right next to the apple firmware on the disk, and when the ipod tries to suspend-to-disk, it corrupts the filesystem
14:47 < tazmin> tempel: do you know if that's true or a myth?
14:48 < tempel> that used to happen with older installers, not with installer2
14:48 < tempel> or at least, it should be that way
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15:22 < tempel> any swedes around? sorry!
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16:21 < Nokan> hello people
16:21 < Nokan> i'm spanish i i dont speak very well english but im going to trying
16:22 < Nokan> :p
16:22 < Nokan> i have installed linux in my ipod 5 generation and i dont understant how to install MPD module to can play music
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16:29 < tempel> you have read the wiki page about MPD ?
16:32 < BleuLlama> `mpd
16:32 < iplbot> Music Player Daemon(MPD) information is available at http://ipodlinux.org/MPD. Binaries/Source are available at http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/mpdc/  An unofficial tutorial is at  http://nanoSouffle.net/beta/nanoMod?name=podMPD  Other than that, you're on your own!  [from BleuLlama]
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16:46 < Nokan> [tempel] i have put the binarie mpd and the modules in / of ipod and i have run but i cant
16:46 < Nokan> i dont understant
16:47 < tempel> the binary probably needs to go into /sbin
16:47 < Nokan> i have read the tutorial and i have understund it and i have gone here
16:47 < Nokan> [tempel] ok but how i go to /bin ?
16:47 < Nokan> im in windows
16:47 < tempel> are you using windows?
16:47 < tempel> see this:
16:47 < tempel> `ext2
16:47 < iplbot> To learn how to access your linux files from Windows (or even OSX), see here: http://ipodlinux.org/Accessing_ext2  [from tempel]
16:47 < tempel> it's not easy. sorry
16:47 < Nokan> sorry if my english doesnt understand it
16:48 < Nokan> :P
16:50 < Nokan> [tempel] i must to iniciate the ipod in linux to acces to it ?
16:50 < Nokan> and ai can acces to ext2 in windows with LTools
16:51 < tempel> you need to use LTools to store the files on the ipod ext2 partition.
16:52 < tempel> but i do not know where they need to be placed. i have never installed MPD
16:53 < Nokan> i think that i must have install linux in 5g
16:53 < Nokan> :/
16:53 < Nokan> im go to try
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17:05 < fallen_angel> im sorry if this a n00bish question but in stumpped, i have an ipod video with linux just installed and i was wondering how to update music and stuff
17:07 < BleuLlama> boot to appleos or disk mode, copy files over using your file browser or itunes
17:08 < fallen_angel> k thanks sorry for wasting you time
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17:18 < fallen_angel> ok now my ipod wont update w/o an error and when i tryed to roll it back its says manaer error should i just use hp storage thingie?
17:19 < fallen_angel> * internal mannager error
17:20 < fallen_angel> nvm
17:20 < fallen_angel> i just guess linux wasent made for this....
17:26 < Nokan> is very complicated
17:26 < Nokan> i have linux in my 4g
17:27 < Nokan> 5g
17:27 < Nokan> and im trying to put mpd
17:27 < Nokan> but is very difficult
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17:36 < fallen_angel> hey how bout if, if this is allredy stated somewhere slap me with a fish, before you install linux u put ur music files of the ipod would they play than
17:37 < fallen_angel> *then
17:44  * fallen_angel slaps fallen_angel around a bit with a large trout
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17:50 < tazmin> hmm well
17:50 < tazmin> podzilla-ti8 certainly has an interesting effect on my nano
17:52 < tazmin> the screen blanks out, shows random horizontal lines, then slowly fades to white...sometime even flashes! :D
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17:59 < tempel> cool
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18:15 < tazmin> hey tempel
18:16 < tazmin> quick question about the svnbuilds for podzilla2
18:16 < tazmin> are the latest ones the ones with no numbers?
18:16 < tempel> tazmin, yes?
18:16 < tempel> maybe. check the date stamps
18:16 < tazmin> like podzilla2-.gz instead of podzilla2-1234.gz
18:17 < tazmin> yeah i did, looks like - with no numbers are the latest
18:18 < tazmin> alright i'll use those, unusual though
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18:28 < haykuro> Hello. I'm in linux and im messing around with my ipod and the linux partition and everything, and im wondering how to get started with programming, or just neat tricks you normally cant do from a windows based computer.
18:29 < davidc__> haykuro: from a livecd? or an actual linux install?
18:29 < haykuro> livecd, im soon to install it tho.
18:29 < haykuro> i tried doing ARM programming for the iPod but im not clear as to how to compile and such.
18:30 < haykuro> im a programmer, so i catch on pretty quickly, but the documentation for developing for the iPod i've seen is very limited, maybe im just not looking in the right places ?
18:31 < davidc__> not a problem - I'll be happy to help you get started
18:31 < haykuro> cool.
18:31 < davidc__> I suggest getting a full install done first - lots of stuff ya need to install - and its a pain to redo it every time you boot
18:31 < davidc__> Then the next thing you need is the Arm toolchain - basically its a version of GCC targeted toward the iPod
18:32 < haykuro> alright
18:32 < haykuro> yea i just found that http://ipodlinux.org/IPod_Programming#Making_a_basic_Hello_World_App
18:32 < davidc__> well, actually any Arm7Tdmi in general
18:32 < haykuro> so im getting ARM setup and ect.
18:32 < davidc__> yup
18:32 < davidc__> also - what kind of programming on it do you want to do?
18:32 < davidc__> HW level? - modules for PZ2? etc?
18:33 < haykuro> modules mainly
18:33 < haykuro> and maybe later on ill do my own podzilla
18:35 < davidc__> haykuro: erm?
18:35 < haykuro> ?
18:35 < davidc__> aka, from scratch?
18:35 < haykuro> lol, nooo
18:35 < haykuro> sorta like floydzilla
18:35 < davidc__> the modules system for PZ2 is pretty powerful
18:35 < davidc__> thats why we developed it
18:35 < davidc__> you can literally rewrite almost any part of PZ2 with them
18:36 < davidc__> why not just make a module that does all that instead yet another PZ clone?
18:36 < haykuro> oh, i have a 2gig nano, so i tried PZ2 and it was super buggy on my iPod
18:36 < davidc__> hrm, which build?
18:36 < davidc__> the latest?
18:36 < haykuro> yea
18:37 < haykuro> it ran slow, and some features didnt work
18:37 < haykuro> and at times the GUI wouldn't show
18:37 < haykuro> and yea, i dont kno the actual use for another PZ clone, other than the challenge it would bring to write one. i do programming for the fun the challenges are.
18:38 < davidc__> eh, if you want challenges - you can work on video support, etc ;)
18:38 < davidc__> video as in TV out on those models that have it
18:38 < davidc__> lots of HW features we don't support yet
18:39 < haykuro> u kno wut i've always wanted to do. make a hack for the iPod to allow a wireless or ethernet adapter, (maybe external usb support for an external wireless card) thus allowing use of internet on the ipod. although that wud require a LOAD of work, im always up for that
18:39 < haykuro> heh, but then again, im just a big dreamer :P
18:39 < davidc__> eh, as soon as we get host side USB working - which there is support for on all 5020 based ipods
18:40 < davidc__> then it should all "just work"
18:40 < haykuro> sounds cool
18:40 < davidc__> because once we get the host side USB recognized by the kernel, any external USB devices that the kernel knows how to work with will just work
18:40 < davidc__> however, theres lots of RE work that needs to be done on that
18:40 < davidc__> and I'm busy working on this iPod debugger
18:40 < haykuro> o
18:41 < davidc__> RE = reverse engineering, if you're new to iPL slang ;)
18:42 < haykuro> lol, nah, i use to do hardware hacks for other junk couple years back. and i had a brief moment when i was into making cracks and keygens
18:42 < davidc__> there seems to be some testpoints on the iPod logic board that run to the main proc - and we know the main proc has jtag
18:43 < davidc__> and if it does have jtag, the jtag likely runs to the 2 arm cores
18:43 < davidc__> which means that we might be able to get a full debugger up and running
18:43 < davidc__> which would speed development enormously
18:43 < haykuro> yea
18:44 < haykuro> i can understand y
18:45 < davidc__> heh - debugging a kernel with the backlight as your only IO source is slow :P
18:45 < haykuro> lmao
18:45 < haykuro> quick question: is the ARM programming set a spin off of the gcc compiler?
18:46 < haykuro> because i downloaded something and during the make/make instlal it sais gcc a couple times
18:46 < haykuro> install*
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18:48 < haykuro> alright well, i have to leave for a moment to buy some stuff for my linux preperations. ill be back shortly. thanks davidc_ for the help so far. bye
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18:51 < tazmin> haykuro: from what i understand you'll need the arm-elf-gcc tools to compile for the ipod
18:53 < tazmin> http://ipodlinux.org/Ipod_programming
19:02 < tazmin> hmmm i'm trying out podzilla2, it's noticeably slower than pz0
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19:24 < haykuro> back
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19:51 < fxb> davidc_ ?
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19:54 < haykuro> hi i got armemu compiled on linux. and i saw one of the commands were "-r hwver". and that will emulate an ipod with the hardware version replacing hwver. so i tried randomly "armemu -r 2" cuz im not sure wut there talking about as hardware version ?? wut does this do and how can i use it?
19:56 < tempel> forget it - it's not properly working, AFAIK
19:57 < tempel> i mean, it's not finished
19:57 < haykuro> o
19:57 < tempel> ask apple or portalplayer - they should have a working emulator ;)
19:58 < haykuro> lol
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20:00 < haykuro> god i cant get this stupid arm-elf compiler to work
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20:12 < BADBOYizVEXED> what videos do u guys have on ur ipods?
20:12 < BADBOYizVEXED> i need to get Star Wars episode 1 and 3
20:13 < BADBOYizVEXED> suck my dick then
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20:16 < tempel> another impostor fent off
20:16 < tempel> fended?
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22:55 < Pjay> i know this isnt exactly relevent but if any one has any ideas it would be greatly apreciated
22:55 < Pjay> my bro's ipod is showing the corrupted files error image, i have tried formatting with ipodupdater, hp tools, regular format and tried to get partition magic to recognise it but i have had no luck, when trying to format regularly it does nothing when trying to quickformat i get error messages.
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23:25 < davidc__> Pjay: which kinda error messagers?
23:26 < davidc__> and you'be tried deleting all the partitions via windows right?
23:28 < Pjay> jup
23:29 < Pjay> when u say deleting the partitions please exagerate
23:29 < davidc__> ....?
23:29 < davidc__> that sentence didn't make sense
23:30 < Pjay> yes it did?, all i see is one partition
23:30 < Pjay> ahh the jup bit didnt make sense
23:30 < davidc__> "please exagerate"
23:30 < davidc__> doesn't make much sense
23:30 < davidc__> but anyhow
23:30 < davidc__> delete any partitions on the device
23:30 < davidc__> create one bigass fat partition
23:30 < davidc__> then format
23:30 < Pjay> partition using?
23:30 < davidc__> if the format fails - either try another computer-  or you've got a bad HD in the iPod
23:30 < davidc__> Pjay: windows?
23:31 < Pjay> yeh, got some nix iso's if u recon it will help
23:31 < Pjay> atm im deleting the ipods boot record using a hex editor and trying to restore afterwards
23:40 < Pjay> Ok, need some help got it to work but i need to plug it into external charger ab d i only have usb
23:40 < davidc__> then ya need to find an external charger ;)
23:41 < Pjay> no other way?
23:43 < davidc__> not without soldering
23:56 < fxb> good night.
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