--- Log opened Fri Jun 02 00:00:01 2006 00:01 -!- dspr [n=dspr@c-69-248-132-101.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["moo"] 00:02 -!- Vanquisher1 [n=Van@208-58-242-186.s186.tnt2.atnnj.pa.dialup.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:03 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:03 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:27 -!- blackhatttttt [n=blackhat@dt0e3nd8.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:28 < blackhatttttt> anyone here have an ipod 30gb video 5g here? 00:31 < hyarion> blackhatttttt: what is the problem? 00:34 < BleuLlama> i guess we'll never know... 00:35 < hyarion> guess not 00:49 -!- blackhatttttt [n=blackhat@dt0e3nd8.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:52 -!- syamajal1 [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:53 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:54 < BleuLlama> nice 00:57 < hyarion> BleuLlama: huh? 00:57 < BleuLlama> just that idiot. heh 00:58 < hyarion> ah :P 00:59 < Moral> that sucks that the stream of the video has to be uncompressed 00:59 < Moral> What happenes if it is compressed 01:05 -!- ssstormy [n=sliverst@ppp-71-139-28-52.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:08 < hyarion> Moral: prabably nothing or maybe some random colors if you are lucky 01:09 < Moral> k 01:15 < hyarion> ...maybe some strange noice too 01:16 -!- shinu [n=blu@cpc2-walt2-0-0-cust547.popl.cable.ntl.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 01:21 -!- ssstormy [n=sliverst@ppp-71-139-28-52.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:28 -!- ssstormy [n=sliverst@ppp-71-139-28-52.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:41 -!- redondos_ [n=redondos@190.48.63.201] has joined #ipodlinux 01:47 -!- joeyk [n=joeyk@unaffiliated/zer0python] has joined #ipodlinux 01:48 < joeyk> and in the event of a kernel panic, I uh.. let the battery run dead right? :| 01:48 < BleuLlama> sure. if you want to 01:48 < BleuLlama> or you could just reboot it 01:48 < BleuLlama> your choice 01:49 < joeyk> bleullama, hard reset isn't working 01:57 -!- redondos [n=redondos@190.48.56.238] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:57 -!- redondos_ is now known as redondos 01:57 -!- Moral [n=Scotty@166.70.224.63] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:08 < BleuLlama> `reboot 02:08 < iplbot> To reboot the ipod, flip the HOLD switch on and off, then hold these buttons for about 5 seconds until the screen changes: <=3g: Menu+Play >=4g: Menu+Center More info here: [from BleuLlama] 02:11 -!- iNT0XiC8D [i=iNT0XiC8@c-24-5-219-63.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["click..."] 02:12 < joeyk> bleullama, already got that yeah 02:12 < joeyk> I was holding the wrong buttons :| 02:17 -!- syamajal1 [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:18 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-45703854.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:21 -!- tmilner [n=tmilner@c-24-17-199-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:31 -!- tmilner [n=tmilner@c-24-17-199-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:39 -!- joeyk [n=joeyk@unaffiliated/zer0python] has quit ["leaving"] 03:02 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:40 -!- dspr [n=dspr@c-69-248-132-101.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:42 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [] 03:49 -!- messi[ah] [n=messi[ah@p508CA55C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:49 -!- messi[ah] [n=messi[ah@p508C82CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ipodlinux 04:01 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@unaffiliated/demonthing] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 04:29 -!- azn [i=b_e_zerk@24.85.139.32] has joined #ipodlinux 04:29 < azn> can someone help me !!!!! 04:29 < azn> i installed ipodlinux or w/e and nothing happened it just reseted the ipod 04:29 < azn> i dont got no linux 04:32 -!- azn [i=b_e_zerk@24.85.139.32] has quit [Client Quit] 04:36 -!- scriptx [n=scriptx@cpe-70-123-144-79.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:36 -!- scriptx [n=scriptx@cpe-70-123-144-79.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:45 -!- hhehw [n=xboxhheh@pool-68-237-81-226.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:45 -!- hhehw [n=xboxhheh@pool-68-237-81-226.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:49 -!- Enk_ [n=chatzill@h212n5c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:49 -!- Enk [n=chatzill@h212n5c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:49 -!- Enk_ is now known as Enk 05:58 < messi[ah]> moin 06:20 -!- DDustin [n=ddustin@c-24-6-230-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 06:21 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/podzilla2/core/pz.c: Spelling reform. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1267) 06:25 * BHSPitMonkey didn't know it was -ynne 06:27 * BHSPitMonkey now realizes this shouldn't be a surprise 07:02 -!- tbr281 [n=Tibi@198.147.225.27] has joined #ipodlinux 07:02 -!- DDustin [n=ddustin@c-24-6-230-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:06 < tbr281> question: i installed ipodlinux on my 4g, will that damage it in anyway? 07:06 < tbr281> it works 07:06 < polok> they don't like answering 4g questions, but it should be fine, if you have the ipod restore utility on your machine there shouldn't be issues 07:07 < polok> if you fuck up you can restory 07:07 < polok> *restore 07:07 < polok> lose your music etc, but oh well 07:07 < tbr281> oh 07:07 < polok> should've thought of that before playing around with linux :P 07:07 < messi[ah]> read before you act. 07:07 < polok> but you'll only need to restore if you fuck up etc 07:07 < tbr281> its working fine 07:08 < tbr281> i just wanted to know if it will screw it up later on or something 07:16 < redondos> tbr281: 07:16 < tbr281> ? 07:16 < tbr281> yes? 07:17 < redondos> nothing, sorry. 07:17 < tbr281> lol 07:17 < redondos> actually.. 07:17 < tbr281> hrm? 07:17 < redondos> tbr281: No, it won't degrade it in any way, as long as you use it responsibly. Nobody will guarantee you that, but generally, your ipod will be fine. 07:18 < tbr281> ok cool 07:18 < tbr281> thnx guys 07:18 < redondos> np 07:19 < tbr281> i like to expirement with crap :p 07:20 < redondos> Yes, ipodlinux is crap. (??) 07:20 < messi[ah]> lol 07:20 < messi[ah]> crap ` 07:20 < messi[ah]> ? 07:20 < messi[ah]> wtf 07:20 < messi[ah]> i hope for you you didnt mean ipl is crap ?! 07:20 < redondos> Let him be, he probably meant with 'stuff'. 07:21 < messi[ah]> actually, didnt sound like that ;) 07:22 < tbr281> *stuff ;) 07:32 -!- acs [n=acs@213.171.250.238] has joined #ipodlinux 07:33 -!- r3boot [n=r3boot@gatekeeper.nl.eu.org] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:54 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@p54BEFF03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:59 -!- tempel [n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi] has joined #ipodlinux 08:00 < tempel> bingely bingely beep, BleuLlama 08:11 -!- tbr281 [n=Tibi@198.147.225.27] has quit ["Broken pipe"] 08:21 -!- r3boot [n=r3boot@gatekeeper.nl.eu.org] has joined #ipodlinux 08:56 < tempel> can someone recommend a domain registry services that's lean and below $10/year for .org and .com? I currently use godaddy, but they annoy me big time with all their "extra" stuff and pushyness 08:57 < tempel> i do not need any extra features (no hosting, etc) 09:00 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@stanmade.dialup.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ipodlinux 09:07 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@stanmade.dialup.fu-berlin.de] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 09:25 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@stanmade.dialup.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ipodlinux 09:37 -!- rconan [n=richard@client-82-14-28-82.brhm.adsl.tesco.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 09:47 -!- tempel [n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:04 -!- [HSO4-] [n=i@CPE-60-224-197-83.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 10:16 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@stanmade.dialup.fu-berlin.de] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 10:37 -!- Drugo [n=kdx@host132-180.pool873.interbusiness.it] has joined #ipodlinux 10:49 -!- Drugo [n=kdx@host132-180.pool873.interbusiness.it] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:13 -!- Noic3|Gone [i=Noic3@c-212-031-177-138.cust.broadway.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:19 -!- davidc___ [n=davidc__@24.86.106.127] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:39 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@stanmade.dialup.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ipodlinux 11:50 -!- tempi [n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:54 -!- tempi [n=tempi@ttg4.tempel.org] has joined #ipodlinux 12:26 -!- haykuro [n=haykuro@c-66-176-103-13.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:31 < haykuro> Hello, i recently installed iPL on my nano, at first i used a tutorial that used the out dated nano installer, then discovered the new up to date installer that supports all iPods. i ran that and it did the music partitioning and everything for me (later finding out following the tutorial was a waste, great work on the installer guys! saved me some time.) but now i have iMame, iNES, and iDoom and they run fine, but iboy requires yo 12:32 < haykuro> my question is how can i get to the files outside of the /mnt directory and move these files manually. and why is it /mnt instead of /hp, did i do something wrong or is that normal? 12:37 < tempi> you know the wiki? search for "start files" and you might find a few hints 12:37 < haykuro> okay. 12:38 < haykuro> and about my 2nd question, how do i get to the other files behind /mnt 12:38 < haykuro> is there an application that can be used, or a way to partition the drive to show up first instead of the original ipod stuff 12:42 -!- b^4 [n=bb@jabber.xs4all.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 12:43 -!- b^4 [n=bb@jabber.xs4all.nl] has left #ipodlinux [] 12:43 < haykuro> nvm, i beleave my problem is fixed :) 12:43 -!- b^4 [n=bb@jabber.xs4all.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 12:43 < haykuro> thank you very much tempi. 12:43 -!- b^4 [n=bb@jabber.xs4all.nl] has left #ipodlinux [] 12:43 -!- bubblboy [n=bb@jabber.xs4all.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 12:45 < bubblboy> hi... I just installed podzilla2 and all the modules/skins work fine (bootloader 2). I do have a prob with MPD though, so I was wondering if you guys knew a place where I could look for more info... 12:45 < tempi> what is "bootloader 2" and why do you mention it in this context? 12:47 < bubblboy> it is what I think the loader2 is called I downloaded from www.ipodlinux.org and I mention it in this context because I thought a little bit of extra information couldn't hurt, maybe even be useful, I have no idea. 12:47 < tempi> did you look on the wiki about mpd? 12:47 < bubblboy> yes I did 12:47 < tempi> bummer 12:47 < tempi> can't help you 12:47 < bubblboy> I looked there, but there was mainly extensive information about podzilla1 (or so it seemed to me) 12:48 < bubblboy> ok no p, I'll just keep on looking then.. 12:51 < tempi> did you read the mpd page? 12:51 < tempi> on the wiki 12:52 < haykuro> @tempi: Yes! thank you very much i found exactly wut i needed =) 12:53 < bubblboy> tempi, yeah I did, but the prob there, I think, is that it's about podzilla 1 12:53 < tempi> ah 12:53 < bubblboy> the only thing I understand it says about podzilla 2 is "you can try the module" 12:53 < tempi> and no one ever updates those pages, right... 12:53 < bubblboy> which I did, which didn't work :S 12:53 < tempi> yeah, darn 12:54 < bubblboy> I was just wondering if anyone here knew a link to the maker's homepage, or something like that :) 12:54 < tempi> nah, they like to hide :) 12:54 < tempi> you never know when your "free" program screwed something up and pissed someone off... ;) 12:55 < bubblboy> lol :P 12:55 < haykuro> sry to interupt, its my last interuption now, but wut are the advantages of floydzilla to podzilla? is one just skinned differently? 12:56 < tempi> wut? 12:56 < tempi> i don't know about floydzilla, can't answer that 12:56 < tempi> isn't there a wiki page about it? 12:59 * erus` gonna write a USB driver so we can all remotly debug our ipods! 13:00 < erus`> hahah got you there ! 13:00 < haykuro> yea there is, but all it shows 13:00 < haykuro> is that its skinned 13:00 < haykuro> and how to intall it 13:00 < haykuro> install* 13:01 < haykuro> nvm 13:01 < haykuro> thx anyways 13:01 < tempi> bad wiki page then :) 13:01 < tempi> if you find out, you're welcome to add this info to the wiki 13:02 < haykuro> ofcourse :) 13:03 -!- erus` [n=Tom@ACD19471.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:04 * haykuro installing FloydZilla now 13:06 < haykuro> 1 thing i never understood is y the fonts have to be so massive in size. made installing iPL2 a pain in the arse waiting 1 hour litteraly because of the fonts. another 2 for i dont kno wut 13:06 -!- erus` [n=tommo@ACD19471.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 13:06 -!- acs [n=acs@213.171.250.238] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 13:06 < tempi> `spelling 13:06 < iplbot> spelling is If I see you doing any of those horrible txting abbreviations like 'u' for "you" and 'r' for "are" again, I'm going to punch you. Hard. Consider this to be your only warning. [from tempi] 13:07 < tempi> that includes wut and y as well 13:08 < tempi> it's not the size, it's the number of them, i believe. the Installer2 is bad at just that 13:08 < haykuro> sorry, im just use to typing like that, but if its a bother ill keep the ignorant typing to a minimum 13:08 < erus`> who says wut... thats just stupid, because wat is better 13:08 < haykuro> lol 13:08 -!- bubblboy [n=bb@jabber.xs4all.nl] has left #ipodlinux [] 13:09 < erus`> about time i svn update 'ed! dont you think ? 13:09 < tempi> huh? 13:10 < erus`> i had to use the apple ipod updater a few weeks ago to make videos work on my 5g. and i havnt put linux on since 13:11 < haykuro> whoa.. floydzilla is like podzilla on steroids! 13:11 < erus`> my ipod 5g would sort of be a very useful server and such 13:12 -!- nattfodd [n=nattfodd@gentoo/developer/nattfodd] has joined #ipodlinux 13:12 < nattfodd> hi 13:13 < nattfodd> I'm about to buy an ipod and was just wondering what the status of the camera connector linux support was 13:13 < nattfodd> I didn't find anything interesting in the forums 13:13 < linuxstb> AFAIK, USB support is non-existent at the moment. 13:14 < nattfodd> hum 13:14 < nattfodd> and is this under development? 13:15 < erus`> when building the kernel, i have to make a folder - put the "vanilla" linux kernel source in there and then cvs ONTOP of that? 13:15 < linuxstb> nattfodd: Yes, people have mentioned here that they are working on it. I think everyone wants it, but it's not an easy task. 13:15 < tempi> nattfodd, nothing much has been done in that regard yet. do not count on it 13:15 < tempi> erus`, read teh "kernel" wiki page 13:15 < linuxstb> nattfodd: Also, listen to tempi more than me (I'm just a lurker, he's a dev...) 13:16 < nattfodd> tempi: maybe I could help with that? 13:16 < tempi> nattfodd, do not listen to linuxstb, i am less a dev than he is 13:16 < nattfodd> I'm buying this ipod specifically for use with my camera 13:16 < tempi> nattfodd, then use apple's software. that does it already 13:16 < nattfodd> tempi: yes but it's no fun :) 13:17 < tempi> you seem to be quite a machochist then? 13:17 < tempi> pervert! 13:17 < nattfodd> machochist? 13:17 < nattfodd> well, I know I could use the ogg/flac support 13:18 < erus`> which ipod are you buying? 13:18 < nattfodd> whichm if I understood correctly, is almost supported by ipodlinux 13:18 < nattfodd> well, 5G 13:18 < nattfodd> can't find any 4G 13:18 < tempi> masochist i meant 13:18 < erus`> 4g is crap buy 5g and help move ipodlinux forward 13:18 < nattfodd> ah, makes more sense 13:18 < tempi> nothing macho about linux 13:18 < nattfodd> hum, while we're at it, I have a really stupid question 13:19 < tempi> for music on 5g, use rockbox.com - that works better at the moment 13:19 < nattfodd> you can transfer any mp3 file from a linux computer and play it with the apple firmware, right? 13:19 < tempi> the answer to stupid q's is: read the wiki 13:19 < nattfodd> well, it's so stupid that I fear it won't be in the wiki 13:19 < tempi> probably 13:19 < tempi> that was an a to your q 13:19 < tempi> to the former 13:20 < nattfodd> ok, thanks 13:20 < tempi> but you need to update the database on the ipod so that the ipod sees your mp3 files 13:20 < tempi> there are plenty of tool for it, though, i think 13:20 < nattfodd> ok, I'll search that 13:20 < tempi> the major tool is itunes, of course, but not for linux, obviously 13:20 < nattfodd> just wanted to be sure before buying 13:21 < nattfodd> itunes works under wine so that's ok 13:21 < tempi> yes, ipod can play any mp3 just fine 13:21 < erus`> even 320kbps ? 13:21 < tempi> question is whether wine can also access usb storage devices 13:21 < tempi> erus`, why not? you know otherwise? 13:21 < nattfodd> it can 13:22 < erus`> has rockbox got any usb stuff at all? 13:22 < tempi> what kind of stuff? 13:22 < erus`> so i can ssh to my ipod 13:22 < tempi> if it would support usb on the ipod, then iPL would as well 13:22 < tempi> ssh over usb? ip over usb? never seen that before 13:22 < tempi> does windows support that? 13:22 < erus`> yes if you buy a good lead 13:23 < tempi> i know ip over firewire, but over usb?? 13:23 < erus`> with a little box in the middle 13:23 < tempi> lead? the metal? 13:23 < tempi> a box. aha 13:23 < erus`> theres no usb network emulation on linux? 13:23 < tempi> there not even a standard for it, is it? 13:24 < tempi> ip over firewire is a public standard 13:24 < tempi> but then, my views are limited 13:25 < tempi> actually, google shows a few things... 13:26 < erus`> well if there was a usb linux host driver i could just plug in my bluetooth adapter and ssh from my phone :) 13:26 < tempi> i want that too! 13:26 < tempi> wait, what phone do you have that supports shh? via java? 13:27 < erus`> nope 13:27 < erus`> i have windows mobile 5 on my phone 13:27 < erus`> yes i know... i know... 13:27 < erus`> but there is a java ssh client i bet 13:28 < haykuro> usb support means a possibility for a really tiny GUI that can use a USB mouse and keyboard. that would be hilarious. sitting in class, "okay kids turn on your computers" someones pulls out an ipod and plugs in a mouse and keyboard and a magnifying glass 13:28 < tempi> ah, such a phone. i almost got one of those, too, but being a long fan of the Newton, i find its usability still so bad, that i decided not to get it or get frustrated allt eh time with it, probably 13:28 < haykuro> hmmm 13:28 < tempi> rofl 13:28 < haykuro> can iPL run linux applications? 13:29 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #iPodLinux 13:29 < erus`> nope 13:29 < erus`> it can only display "hell world" 13:29 < erus`> then turns off 13:29 < haykuro> oh damn 13:29 < haykuro> i was about to try running DamnSmallLinux on it 13:30 < erus`> not a chance. 1) thats a distro. 2) it uses KDE? memory hog 13:30 < tempi> ... which provides a better written app that can actually write "hello world"? 13:30 < haykuro> DSL is meant to be able to run from within windows, or from within linux 13:30 < haykuro> it runs off wuts provided 13:31 < haykuro> http://dsl.thegeekery.com/current/dsl-2.4-embedded.zip 13:32 < haykuro> provided is a .exe for emulation in windows, and a .sh for emulation in linux 13:32 < haykuro> big as hell tho 13:32 < haykuro> 49.7 MB 13:32 < haykuro> but, its meant to be able to fit on a pen drive 13:33 < haykuro> so thats okay i guess 13:39 -!- flynux [n=prout@2a01:38:0:0:0:0:0:1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:39 < haykuro> bah Stepmania on Floydzilla is being a whore 13:43 -!- messi[ah] [n=messi[ah@p508C82CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["sagt der keks zum monster"] 13:45 -!- haykuro [n=haykuro@c-66-176-103-13.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit ["iPL is the shit"] 13:46 -!- flynux [n=prout@2a01:38:0:0:0:0:0:1] has joined #ipodlinux 13:58 -!- hhehw_ [n=xboxhheh@pool-68-237-81-226.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:58 -!- hhehw [n=xboxhheh@pool-68-237-81-226.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:59 -!- hhehw [n=xboxhheh@pool-68-237-81-226.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:02 < erus`> puttin IPL on my ipod is too easy this time round... i must be doing something wrong :P 14:03 < erus`> ipodloader 2 is really cool now 14:03 < erus`> the input actually works well :D 14:16 -!- hhehw_ [n=xboxhheh@pool-68-237-81-226.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:21 < erus`> what does "window management" do? 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15:17 < BleuLlama> did you rebuild ttk? 15:18 -!- philhans [n=philip@static-66-182-95-51.bbsc.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:18 -!- bluey- [n=bluey@dslb-088-073-121-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:19 < erus`> yes i did 15:22 < erus`> aha... make IPOD=0 SDL=0 looks good so far 15:23 < BleuLlama> i'm assuming you've already properly installed libsdl and libsdl-image... 15:23 < erus`> i think so, i did it ages ago 15:23 < BleuLlama> but you should be able to just: make NOIPOD=1 15:24 < BleuLlama> sdl-config --help will tell you if you have libsdl installed. if you get 'command not found' then check sdl 15:24 < erus`> i haev it 15:27 < BleuLlama> ok 15:28 < erus`> how do i set up tkk so it builds libttk-SDL.a , what are the make args i need to pass or whatever? 15:30 < BleuLlama> i've never seen "libttk-SDL.a" 15:33 < erus`> how very weird indeed 15:33 < BleuLlama> you sure you updated everything, and in the ttk directory, did a "make distclean"? 15:35 < erus`> yep, still no good 15:35 < erus`> im gonna remove PZ2 and then svn up from scratch 15:35 < BleuLlama> you've got something misconfigured over there, i think. 15:36 -!- bluey- [n=bluey@dslb-088-073-121-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:39 -!- bluey- [n=bluey@dslb-088-073-121-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:41 < tempi> what shall i program today? 15:41 < tempi> expand rohPod, add initrd support (nah!), add mac support for installer2... 15:42 < tempi> port the Einstein emulator onto iPL... 15:42 -!- JtDL|Laptop [n=Jesusthe@24-159-190-197.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:43 < erus`> whatever you do dont make a bomberman game for PZ2 15:43 < erus`> because im doing that once i got this building again 15:44 < tempi> hehe 15:44 < erus`> but dont hold you breath 15:44 -!- JtDL|Laptop is now known as JtDL 15:45 < erus`> i just checked out podzilla2 and ttk and did make on ttk, fine. then make on podzilla2 and the same error! 15:45 < erus`> damn ubuntu 15:45 -!- JtDL is now known as JtDL|Laptop 15:45 -!- JtDL|Laptop is now known as JtDL 15:46 < tempi> usually the problem is in front of the computer, not behind it... 15:46 < erus`> oh thats very helpful 15:47 < erus`> i let you ssh onto my box and fix it then ye? 15:47 < tempi> i don't do linux :) 15:47 < tempi> 3 weeks ago it worked just fine with one make on my mac 15:47 < tempi> i believe 15:48 < erus`> gonna try installing sdl again 15:48 < tempi> i made a build for desktop, though 15:48 < tempi> can you build for the desktop? 15:48 < erus`> i cant build for desktop but i can build for ipod 15:49 < BleuLlama> erus`: you're building in the 'podzilla2' directory, not the ttkzilla or some other directory, right? 15:49 < erus`> yeh 15:49 < BleuLlama> and to build for desktop, you're just typing "make"? 15:49 < tempi> odd, i get a lot of errors in pz.h and on when i "make" in the podzilla2 dir 15:50 < erus`> sudo make - because ssome times it complains abbout permissions 15:50 < BleuLlama> you shouldn't need to do it as root. 15:50 < BleuLlama> sounds like your machine is misconfigured or something 15:50 < tempi> BleuLlama, should a plain "make" work, though? doesn't for me 15:50 < BleuLlama> yes. 15:51 < erus`> should i have to build ttk differently for it to work on dektop? like i have to with pz2 15:51 < BleuLlama> erus`: just typing 'make' in the ttk directory will build it for IPOD and desktop 15:51 < tempi> the first error is: ttk-config: command not found. hmm 15:52 < erus`> ah ok 15:52 < tempi> and when i "make" in the ttk dir, it gives error: no rule to make target "all" 15:52 -!- r3boot [n=r3boot@gatekeeper.nl.eu.org] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:53 < BleuLlama> tempi: try this: make distclean ; svn up ; make 15:53 < BleuLlama> aka "the holy trinity" 15:54 < tempi> that compiles a few files, then errors: sdl-config: not found 15:54 < tempi> hrmpf 15:54 < tempi> i remember this having been easier last time 15:54 < BleuLlama> what does sdl-config --help print? 15:55 < tempi> cmd not found 15:55 < tempi> where should that be 15:55 < BleuLlama> reinstall sdl, or get it in your path 15:55 < tempi> not installed, apparently 15:55 < tempi> i built it on a different mac last time 15:56 < tempi> will tr ydarwinports 15:56 < BleuLlama> be sure to also download and install sdl-image 15:56 < BleuLlama> this should all be on the 'building podzilla' page on the wiki 15:57 < tempi> ok 15:57 < BleuLlama> yeah. it is. it tells you all of the parts you need. 15:57 < tempi> didn't read that - just thought i'd do what erus tried 16:00 < fxb> make podzilla use hotdog 16:00 < fxb> oops 16:00 < fxb> i didn't scroll down 16:00 < fxb> :) 16:00 < tempi> i can't even compile ttk ... :) 16:01 < BleuLlama> tempi: you're using gcc 3.3 like the docs suggest, rather than 4.0? 16:02 < tempi> i am still installing darwinports. i just tried to point out to felix that i am no good candidate for anything around pz or even hotdog... 16:04 -!- JtDL [n=Jesusthe@unaffiliated/jtdl] has left #ipodlinux [] 16:05 < erus`> i dont even have gcc_select and i cant apt-get install it :| 16:06 < tempi> you might have gcc-select, though 16:07 < BleuLlama> if you read the docs, it says that if you're using OS X then you can use gcc-select. 16:07 < BleuLlama> i dunno about linux commands to change the default compiler. 16:07 < tempi> gcc_select you mean := 16:07 < tempi> :) 16:07 < BleuLlama> if you've got 3.x then don't worry. 16:08 < tempi> "_" on mac, "-" on linux, usually 16:08 < BleuLlama> whatever. 16:08 < tempi> or so i found 16:08 < tempi> rright 16:09 < erus`> i will just test On the ipod for now 16:11 -!- Eamon [n=Eamon@83.147.152.42] has left #ipodlinux [] 16:11 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@unaffiliated/demonthing] has joined #ipodlinux 16:21 -!- bluey- is now known as bluey^afk 16:26 < tempi> odd, i still cannot build ttk. error is: cannot exec "cc1 - no such file 16:26 < tempi> seems like this is a intel problem 16:26 < tempi> i made sure to select gcc 3.3 16:27 < tempi> hmm, but locate finds it 16:31 < BHSPitMonkey> PATH problems? 16:32 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@stanmade.dialup.fu-berlin.de] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:33 < tempi> no, how could it? cc is in the default paths. after all, i can use gcc4 when set as default just fine 16:34 < erus`> can i use the extern keyword in C to store global variables in a header file? 16:34 < erus`> i forget how todo it 16:34 < tempi> i find that in /usr/bin there's a symlink from cc to gcc-4.0. i guess there also needs to be one for cc1, but gcc_select missed that 16:35 < tempi> erus`, your question sounds confused. here's what to do: you use "extern int x;" in the header, but must also have a "int x;" in ONE non-header file 16:36 < tempi> or you'll end up with multiple instances of "x" 16:36 < erus`> ah i put extern int in header and source file 16:36 < erus`> cheers 16:44 -!- [HSO4-] [n=i@CPE-60-224-197-83.wa.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Yøu sunk my bättleship."] 16:55 < erus`> the new_window() type this is called before the app is started... so for an app with lots of images and stuff where should i be loading them? 17:05 -!- iNT0XiC8D [i=iNT0XiC8@c-24-5-219-63.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:12 -!- iNT0XiC8D [i=iNT0XiC8@c-24-5-219-63.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["click..."] 17:12 < erus`> my re-usable sprite functions are sooo good. One can load an imae and this will scale it automaticly etc etc. you can allways treat the screen size as 320*240 and it will scale all the functions fore you 17:13 < erus`> if only i didnt have to test on ipod every time :( 17:16 < josh_> erus`: your re-usable sprite functions are sooo slow. One can load an imae and this will scale it automatically etc etc. and slow down your game ten times etc etc. you can allways treat the screen size as 320*240 as long as you don't mind your game running at a snail's pace and it will scale all the functions fore you 17:16 < josh_> ;-) 17:16 < josh_> (speaking from generalities, since I haven't actually seen your code) 17:16 -!- iNT0XiC8D [i=iNT0XiC8@c-24-5-219-63.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:17 < erus`> it scaled it at load... how will that slow the game down :S 17:17 < josh_> ah, ok 17:17 < josh_> fair point then 17:17 < josh_> sorry, I thought you were scaling on demand 17:17 < erus`> thank you for saying sorry 17:17 < josh_> and my response was quite tongue-in-cheek, if you didn't notice 17:18 -!- Sebo [n=sebastia@p54A30C48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:19 < davidc___> erus`: you're using fixed point math for calculating the positions on the screen right? 17:19 < erus`> not yet :) 17:20 < erus`> but i will 17:21 < davidc___> good good ;) 17:31 < rmh3093> davidc__: get your ipods? 17:31 < davidc___> rmh3093: they're on their way 17:31 < davidc___> should be here june 6th 17:36 < rmh3093> ahhh.... i hate waiting 17:37 < davidc___> heh, you just really want a debugger eh :P 17:37 < rmh3093> for things in the mail... in general 17:42 < davidc___> rmh3093: boards should be here june 6th 17:42 < davidc___> Getting 4g's + a 3g 17:42 < davidc___> gonna start on 4G work first 17:42 < davidc___> but theoretically apple will use the same sorta test point config 17:43 < davidc___> so if I can learn enough from the 4g's, it might port to other models 17:43 < davidc___> and i'm getting a 4G off ebay 17:43 < davidc___> with a broken HD [ cheap ] 17:43 < davidc___> so I can use it as a debugger test platform 17:44 < rmh3093> i hope it all works well 17:44 < davidc___> it should 17:44 < davidc___> I have several backup plans if they didn't bring the lines out 17:44 < davidc___> [pcb drilling / etc] 17:44 < davidc___> hopefully its not a lead free board - those things are a PITA to desolder 17:45 < BleuLlama> i should make a 1.8" to 3.5" hard disk adapter, so i can make a 750gb ipod 17:45 < rmh3093> desoldering is just a PITA period 17:45 < rmh3093> there should be a "blackmarket" sub-forum for people to coordinate sales/trades/groupbuy things among us members 17:45 < BleuLlama> just need to desolder the 1.8" edge connector from my broken 20gb disk 17:45 < BleuLlama> nah. desoldering is easy 17:46 < BleuLlama> once you have the right tools 17:46 < davidc___> rmh3093: bake in a toaster oven ;) 17:46 < davidc___> BleuLlama: its BGA's that are a pain 17:46 < rmh3093> yeah i dont have many tools less any good ones 17:46 < BleuLlama> oh. yeah. true 17:47 < BleuLlama> rmh3093: invest in a $8 solder sucker, and some desoldering braid 17:47 < rmh3093> i have the sucker... no braid... that always seems like what i needed ... doh! 17:47 < BleuLlama> although, the e-clip that holds the plunger in my solder sucker recently shattered... that was... surprising 17:47 < davidc___> haha.. I wish that worked for bgas :P 17:48 < davidc___> lets see, I use hot air, digital controlled soldering iron, vacuum soldering iron 17:48 < davidc___> all sorts of stuff :P 17:48 < BleuLlama> push the plunger down, heat up the joint, press the trigger, whee! the plunger shoots out of the back and lands elsewhere in the room. heh 17:48 < davidc___> and a toaster oven 17:48 < BleuLlama> i haven't done much with BGA chips, so yeah. i could see the oven helping 17:49 < davidc___> ya 17:49 < davidc___> only way to take them off without trashing everythintg 17:54 < erus`> woot fixed point maths seamlessy intergrated :) 18:01 -!- bluey^afk is now known as bluey 18:05 < erus`> oh shit i hope all ipods have the same aspect ratio 18:06 < davidc___> nope :P 18:07 < erus`> omg 18:17 -!- iNT0XiC8D [i=iNT0XiC8@c-24-5-219-63.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:17 -!- florian [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 18:22 -!- bluey is now known as bluey- 18:24 -!- florian [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:24 -!- Enk_ [n=chatzill@h212n5c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 18:25 -!- Enk [n=chatzill@h212n5c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:25 -!- Enk_ is now known as Enk 18:32 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:27 < erus`> anyone with an ipod that isnt a 5g wanna test something for me? 19:28 < erus`> because i cant build for desktop 19:29 < scriptx> Is nano a 5g? :) 19:29 < erus`> nope 19:29 < scriptx> Then I can test your something. 19:32 < erus`> thanks. hold on 19:32 < BleuLlama> *can't 19:41 -!- Eamon [n=Eamon@83.147.152.42] has joined #ipodlinux 19:47 -!- bluey- [n=bluey@dslb-088-073-121-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:59 < erus`> i got pz2 to build for desktop... but i had to copy the lib called ttklib.a and play it in usr/lib/ as ttk-SDL.a :| 20:16 < scriptx> Did you guys do away with the loading bar on PZ2 or something? 20:16 < scriptx> oh god 20:16 < scriptx> nvm 20:22 < scriptx> oooh new features :> 20:27 < SereR0KR> any way to install SDL for Desktop AND iPod the same time? ;> 20:27 < SereR0KR> on OS X 20:28 < SereR0KR> that I can compile SDL apps for my mac and ipod 20:33 < BleuLlama> sure. why not? 20:33 < BleuLlama> generally the 'switch' happens when you make/build the project 20:33 < SereR0KR> yeah I got it 20:34 < BleuLlama> for podzilla2 for example, 'make IPOD=1' builds for ipod, while 'make NOIPOD=1' is for desktop. (same with ttk, although ttk builds both) 20:34 < SereR0KR> but I need 2 builds of SDL right? 20:35 < BleuLlama> you need to explicitly make SDL for your system, but the ipod version is already in svn 20:35 < SereR0KR> I build it for iPod ;> 20:35 < SereR0KR> built* 20:46 -!- tom-away [i=a2g-Tom@tmaneri-res.resnet.ucsd.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 21:01 -!- Lez [i=lex@evot.us] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:11 -!- tommo_ [n=tommo@ACD19471.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:11 -!- tommo_ [n=tommo@ACD19471.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:12 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-231-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:13 -!- Lez [i=lex@evot.us] has joined #ipodlinux 21:14 < erus`> meh it would be easier to load this damn bomberman grid from file 21:14 < erus`> infact i will 21:14 < erus`> actually 21:19 -!- Enk_ [n=chatzill@h212n5c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:20 -!- Enk [n=chatzill@h212n5c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:20 -!- Enk_ is now known as Enk 21:28 < rmh3093> erus`: are you serious.... bomberman is the shit... are you making a port for the ipod? 21:29 < erus`> yes 21:29 < erus`> and im drawing the grid allready :D 21:30 < erus`> the shit is good right? 21:31 < rmh3093> yeah 21:31 < rmh3093> :)( 21:31 < BleuLlama> "is the shit" = "is awesome" 21:31 < rmh3093> :) 21:31 < BleuLlama> "is shit" = "is very bad" 21:31 < scriptx> lol 21:31 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-231-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:31 < rmh3093> `theshit 21:32 < rmh3093> :( 21:32 < rmh3093> Sorry, rmh3093, I don't know anything about theshit. 21:32 < erus`> are ttk_surface's pointers? 21:33 < erus`> if it do ttk_surface bleh = anothersyurface; will it copy the whole thing? 21:35 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit ["See you ..."] 21:43 -!- scriptx is now known as deadc0de 21:43 -!- deadc0de [n=scriptx@cpe-70-123-144-79.austin.res.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 21:45 -!- \xDEADC0DE [n=scriptx@cpe-70-123-144-79.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:46 -!- tempel [n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi] has joined #ipodlinux 21:47 -!- SereR0KR [n=Fletcher@Fcd8a.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit ["XChat Aqua"] 21:49 -!- \xDEADC0DE is now known as xlib 21:50 -!- xlib is now known as \xDEADC0DE 21:53 -!- Enk [n=chatzill@h212n5c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:03 < tempel> i just learned the principle ways of how JTAG works - whoa, that's really bare-bones 22:18 < rmh3093> tempel: back when you were working on loader2arg's you mentions being able to free up ~32k of mem from some reserved mem... what ever happend with that? 22:19 < tempel> the kernel would need to be changed for that 22:24 < rmh3093> right... 22:24 < rmh3093> just curious about it 22:26 < tempel> with 96MB of RAM, 30KB more or less it not really relevant, it seems 22:28 < rmh3093> i didnt know what mem that came from 22:29 < fxb> 96MB? 22:29 < fxb> i always thought i was 32MB... 22:29 < rmh3093> yeah and 96k of iram or something 22:34 < tempel> oh, right: 32MB. Only the 5G 60GB has 64MB RAM 22:37 -!- acs [n=acs@163.Red-217-126-151.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:37 -!- acs [n=acs@163.Red-217-126-151.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:42 -!- ryanoe [n=ryanoe@pool-138-88-119-133.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:43 -!- _vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:45 -!- perry753 [n=perry753@c-24-4-29-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:45 -!- perry753 [n=perry753@c-24-4-29-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 22:57 < erus`> well... drawing a 320*240 sprite 10 times a second doesnt work :) so i had to add some draw part of sprite functions 23:01 < erus`> damn does wid-dirty = 1; clear the screen? 23:02 < fxb> yes 23:02 < erus`> damn thats a pita 23:04 < erus`> the screen fill rate is too poor :( 23:04 < erus`> is there anyway to tell pz to draw the screen without clearing it? 23:05 < fxb> if you remove the dirty = 1 23:05 < fxb> then you need to clear the parts of the screen manually 23:06 -!- r3boot [n=r3boot@gatekeeper.nl.eu.org] has joined #ipodlinux 23:06 < erus`> yes but draw() is never being called now :| 23:06 < fxb> oh, yeah... right 23:06 < fxb> i forgot there was another thing... 23:07 < fxb> let me look at some sources... 23:07 < erus`> thanks 23:07 < fxb> widget->w = widget->h = 0; 23:07 < fxb> if you set this the screen will not be cleared 23:08 < fxb> i used it in "Curve"... 23:08 < erus`> ok thanks 23:13 -!- Eamon [n=Eamon@83.147.152.42] has left #ipodlinux [] 23:19 < Paltsu> where are you guys from? 23:20 < erus`> uk 23:20 < Paltsu> 'cause when does your summervacation start (if youre still in somekind of a school)? 23:21 -!- r3boot [n=r3boot@gatekeeper.nl.eu.org] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:24 < fxb> germany 23:24 < fxb> 06.07.2006 - 16.08.2006 (Hamburg) 23:36 -!- Guest369 [n=Guest369@c-66-176-103-13.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:37 < Guest369> hello, i accidently did "rm /etc/rc" instead of "cp" and now when i try booting it sais "can not find /etc/rc" and it hangs 23:37 < Guest369> how can i get it there again 23:38 -!- Guest369 [n=Guest369@c-66-176-103-13.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:39 < \xDEADC0DE> .... 23:42 < fxb> good night 23:42 -!- fxb [n=felixbru@p548FE9DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:43 -!- florian [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 23:44 -!- florian [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:48 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@p54BEDE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:51 -!- philhans [n=philip@static-66-182-95-51.bbsc.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:55 -!- GOVAMA [n=none@c-66-176-103-13.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux --- Log closed Sat Jun 03 00:00:00 2006