--- Log opened Fri May 26 00:00:03 2006 00:27 -!- drktrinity [n=h_4_hass@adsl-69-154-185-2.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:27 < drktrinity> hello 00:27 < drktrinity> i need help 00:33 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 00:38 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:45 -!- bholland [n=bholland@d154-5-98-88.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 01:20 < davidc___> aegray: around? 01:20 < davidc___> drktrinity: with what? 01:23 -!- DataGhost [i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:23 -!- [Sur`Data [i=dataghos@ip3e832ea5.speed.planet.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 01:47 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 01:48 -!- davidc__ [n=chatzill@s142-179-110-30.bc.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:49 -!- davidc___ is now known as davidc__ 01:49 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 01:49 -!- davidc___ [n=chatzill@s142-179-110-30.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:00 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:08 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=Steve-O@67.64.145.6] has joined #ipodlinux 02:09 < drktrinity> sorry i was away 02:09 < drktrinity> i need help 02:10 < drktrinity> i have ipod nano 1 gb 02:11 < davidc__> state the problem, not the scenery 02:11 < drktrinity> i just installed ipod linux 02:12 < davidc__> drktrinity: yup, thats to be assumed 02:12 < davidc__> get to the problem already 02:12 < drktrinity> i turned on my ipod and then i went to podcast 02:12 < drktrinity> then i choosed quit podzilla 02:12 < drktrinity> then there was a big message 02:13 < drktrinity> like the one in dos 02:13 < drktrinity> it says 02:13 < drktrinity> sleeping forever in the end 02:13 < drktrinity> i cant turn it off 02:13 < drktrinity> or do anything with it 02:13 < davidc__> read the fucking wiki 02:13 < davidc__> `reboot 02:13 < iplbot> To reboot the ipod, flip the HOLD switch on and off, then hold these buttons for about 5 seconds until the screen changes: <=3g: Menu+Play >=4g: Menu+Center More info here: [from davidc__] 02:14 < drktrinity> k 02:22 < drktrinity> it still dosent help 02:22 < drktrinity> there is a whole message 02:22 < drktrinity> like the one in dos 02:23 < drktrinity> it says no more tasks init--sleeping forever 02:25 -!- drktrinity [n=h_4_hass@adsl-69-154-185-2.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:26 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [] 02:34 < BleuLlama> i don't get it when people come in here, ask for help, someone suggests something they should do, and then they don't do it. 02:40 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=Steve-O@67.64.145.6] has quit ["Dropped my laptop."] 02:40 -!- Sponge_bob [n=None@cpe-66-27-162-13.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 02:41 -!- aegra1 [n=aegray@71.194.37.21] has joined #ipodlinux 02:54 -!- 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then minimum is around 25MB 09:41 < Lormor> but the max I can go is 31 :s 09:41 < Lormor> I'm using the beta 09:42 < Lormor> and, how do i integrate the newest kernel and the podzilla 09:42 < tempel> copy them over manually, probably 09:44 < Lormor> yeah copy them where to ? 09:46 < tempel> well, be replacing the old ones, no? 09:48 < Lormor> yeah but in the folder there is no kernel 09:48 < Lormor> im using this installer http://www.josh.sys-techs.com/ipl/ipodlinux-installer-2.2b2w.zip 09:49 < tempel> oh, on windows? i can't help you there. search the wiki,perhaps that helps 09:53 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:54 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@stanmade.dialup.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ipodlinux 09:56 < Lormor> I can reboot to ubuntu :) 09:57 < Lormor> but I'm really new to linux so ... 09:58 < tempel> why do you want to install linux then? 10:03 < Lormor> I like it :p 10:31 -!- Lormor 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asraniel [n=asraniel@88.24.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 12:43 -!- HB34 [n=me@c211-30-37-163.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 12:43 < HB34> my ipod is broken. help! 12:45 < erus`> throw it away 12:46 < HB34> its frozen on the apple screen 12:47 -!- pepie34 [n=pepie34@192.33.221.204] has joined #ipodlinux 12:47 < HB34> the computer wont even detect it 12:48 < pepie34> Hi guy 12:48 < pepie34> I've got some question on the boot process!!! 12:49 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@stanmade.dialup.fu-berlin.de] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 12:49 < pepie34> does the apple_os.bin needs to be the first image on boot? 12:50 -!- HB34 [n=me@c211-30-37-163.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 12:50 < pepie34> on the boot table 12:59 < pepie34> tempel do you have any idea if we can have our own image on entry 0 and then apple_os on entry_1 and eventually scsr on entry 2 12:59 < pepie34> ? 12:59 < tempel> nope, no idea 13:00 -!- Synapse 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find the information 13:23 < pepie34> if someone knows it 13:23 < pepie34> :) 13:24 < tempel> again: josh_ 13:24 < pepie34> ok not in IRC now 13:24 < pepie34> :) 13:26 < tempel> why don't you just try it out. or look at make_fw2 (in svn), which allows you to test it more easily 13:30 < pepie34> I will but i will first need to write a romfs driver for ipodloader 13:31 < pepie34> Well i wanted first to do that 13:33 < pepie34> by the way the 3G firmware you give me is not exactly correct 13:33 < pepie34> tempel don't use it to update your sda1 13:33 < tempel> what are you talking about? 13:34 -!- Exoulster [n=exoulste@host81-7-11-81.adsl.v21.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 13:34 < tempel> you mean the "3G-firmware-extract.bin" file? 13:34 < pepie34> you didn't not give me a 3G firmware so i can test my ipodfs driver for linux 2 days ago 13:34 < pepie34> ? 13:34 < pepie34> yes 13:35 < pepie34> in fact there is the MBR+FAT TABLE + ipod firmware partition in it 13:35 < tempel> yes, it's only 20KB in size. it's only the start. of course you cannot use it 13:35 < pepie34> you must crop the first 512 bytes 13:35 < tempel> you don't have to tell me 13:36 < pepie34> ok 13:38 -!- pepie34 [n=pepie34@192.33.221.204] has quit ["Quitte"] 13:42 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@p54BED629.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:53 -!- kfm [n=kfm82@stanmade.dialup.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ipodlinux 13:53 -!- danny [n=me@aoyk74.plus.com] has joined #ipodlinux 13:53 < danny> phew 13:53 < danny> hey peeps 13:53 < danny> quick question 13:54 < danny> how do i actually PUT music on ipod linux without booting into disk mode or running up the apple firmware? 13:55 < tempel> not at all 13:55 < danny> that doesn't make any sense 13:56 < danny> why should i have to reboot my ipod into apple os to put music on it? 13:56 < tempel> Q: how do i do this? A: not at all 13:56 < tempel> because that's the way it is. you are welcome to join the programmers to change it... 13:57 < danny> sounds like ipodlinux is just a novelty then.. 13:57 < tempel> so what 13:57 < tempel> it's free. use it or do not use it. your choice 13:58 < danny> so, it's not practical 13:58 < danny> so is apple os 13:58 < danny> it comes 'free' with your ipod 13:58 < danny> anyway, ipodlinux sounds like it's aimed at someone not like me 13:58 < danny> sorry to waste your time 13:59 -!- danny [n=me@aoyk74.plus.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 14:00 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.49.24] has joined #ipodlinux 14:02 < yohu123> any devs here? 14:02 -!- kfm82 [n=kfm82@p54BED629.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:02 -!- kfm is now known as kfm82 14:39 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #iPodLinux 14:48 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 14:48 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:49 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 14:50 -!- Noic3|Off [i=Noic3@c-212-031-176-199.cust.broadway.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:50 -!- moebius [n=Neo@2001:760:2e00:f004:201:2ff:fe22:a424] has joined #ipodlinux 14:52 -!- kampfer [n=joecool@nj-69-34-63-23.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:54 < moebius> hi! i'm trying to install ipolinux on my 5g ipod using the new linux installer..but it has some problem with partition format 14:54 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@stavanger-dhcp-223-189.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:54 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:55 < moebius> i get message like: Could not write 8 blocks in inode table starting at 6: Attempt to write block from filesystem resulted in short write 14:55 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:00 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.49.24] has quit [] 15:03 -!- pepie34 [n=pepie34@192.33.221.204] has joined #ipodlinux 15:03 < pepie34> hi josh_ 15:03 < pepie34> I've got some question on the booting process 15:05 < pepie34> the default fw to boot is always osos (if aupd not present) and not the first firmware in the bootloader table 15:05 < pepie34> ? 15:06 < pepie34> (it what i just experience but i want confirmation) 15:10 -!- joecool|laptop [n=joecool@no-sources/joecool] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:11 -!- kampfer is now known as joecool|laptop 15:18 < tempel> moebius, have you tried the beta version yet? 15:19 < moebius> which beta version? 15:19 < moebius> the one for windows you mean? 15:20 < tempel> yes 15:20 < moebius> no..i'm still trying the linux version 15:20 < moebius> actually i don't have any windows machine here 15:20 < tempel> oh, on linux, i misread that 15:21 < pepie34> what do you mean by non-default firmware loading? 15:22 < pepie34> (i push rewind when rebooting but nothing happen) 15:22 < pepie34> I've put loader.bin on a third boot table entry with the correct execution entry 15:23 < pepie34> but i can't boot on it whit the said "non-default firmware boot" 15:23 < tempel> i suspect it works like this: 15:23 < tempel> the apple bootloader loads one of the "osos" entries. probably the first it finds 15:23 < tempel> that one must contain the loader.bin patched in 15:24 < pepie34> (i ve not reach to do 2 osos entry!!!) 15:24 < tempel> then this loader will run and check the rewind button 15:24 < pepie34> ok so this functionalty is not burn into the flash by apple 15:24 < tempel> if it's not pressed, it jumps to the start of the loaded image, otherwise it loads the _next_ entry of "osos" and starts that instead 15:25 < pepie34> no other way to boot our own code without modifying osos? 15:25 < tempel> don't know 15:26 < pepie34> ok i'm thinking of something 15:26 < pepie34> i will try to name the entrey aupd 15:26 < pepie34> and see what happen 15:28 -!- Thijs [n=mathijs@82.74.181.247] has joined #ipodlinux 15:28 < Thijs> goodevening! 15:29 < pepie34> i thinks the apple bootloader fisrt look for aupd then for osos 15:29 < tempel> i you figure it out, please add the info to the Firmware wiki page, ok? i could use that info later 15:30 < pepie34> I'm fuck 15:30 < pepie34> I've got a appme support 15:30 < pepie34> and can't reboot to disk mode 15:31 < tempel> uh-oh! 15:31 < pepie34> snifff 15:31 < pepie34> :( 15:31 < pepie34> please help me help me help me 15:31 < pepie34> :) 15:31 < tempel> you wil have to take the disk out, i guess, connect it to a PC and change that aupd entry 15:31 < pepie34> no it is ok 15:31 < pepie34> i plug it 15:32 < tempel> oh, it repaired itself? 15:32 < tempel> god 15:32 < pepie34> on the apple support screen 15:32 < tempel> good 15:32 < tempel> ah 15:32 < tempel> whoa 15:32 < pepie34> and it went into diskmode 15:32 < pepie34> ouffffffffff 15:32 < tempel> thank the apple engineers to think of this 15:32 < rmh3093> the apple os seems to do a good job at preventing f'ups 15:33 < tempel> imagine what happened if it was a microsoft product... :) 15:33 < pepie34> so never use a fake aupd 15:33 < pepie34> !!!!! 15:33 < tempel> write that into the wiki :) 15:34 < pepie34> I find it quite uggly to patch osos 15:34 < jchillerup> Did we just discover something? 15:34 < pepie34> As i find quite uggly to patch osos 15:35 < tempel> not really, other than: better have a backup if you play around... 15:35 < pepie34> I was trying to have code booted other way 15:35 < tempel> pepie34, you can do this: make a new osos entry that comes FIRST, which then loads the next entries if wanted 15:35 < pepie34> so i've just try to put the loader as a fake aup 15:36 < tempel> that way, no need to patch the entry with apple os in it is necessay 15:36 < pepie34> tempel make_fw prevent you to have 2 osos entry 15:36 < pepie34> as a fake aupd 15:36 < tempel> didn't i tell you to use make_fw2? 15:36 < pepie34> yes 15:36 < tempel> that one can 15:36 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@225.80-202-197.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:36 < pepie34> it is the one i use 15:36 < pepie34> :) 15:37 < pepie34> so what i found is that when rebooting with the fake aupd 15:37 < pepie34> it goes into applesupport mode 15:37 < pepie34> when rebooting 15:38 < pepie34> you can't go into disk mode by the key combination 15:38 < pepie34> so at this point i was quite affraid 15:39 < pepie34> but just by plugging the ipod to a computer when it is the applesupport screen 15:39 < pepie34> it goes into failsafe diskmode 15:40 < pepie34> tempel is that what is called subimage? 15:40 < pepie34> (2 osos entry) 15:40 -!- [HSO4-] [n=i@CPE-60-224-197-83.wa.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:40 < tempel> maybe 15:40 < tempel> read the source 15:41 < pepie34> I think i have tried but it produced just one osos entry in the table 15:41 < pepie34> I've read it (at least the loader2 part on subimage) 15:43 < tempel> both make_fw and make_fw2 must be able to add multiple osos entries or one wouldn't be able to use the old loader at all 15:47 < pepie34> i have a segemntation fault on make_fw2 15:47 < pepie34> :) 15:48 < pepie34> make_fw2 -g 5g -c osos0=osos_r.fw osos1=osos_r.fw rsrc=rsrc.fw -o test.fs 15:48 < pepie34> forgot the osos@ 15:55 < pepie34> OK good weekend all 15:57 < tempel> bye 15:58 < pepie34> tempel If i have time i will write some function to acces romfs from the loader 15:58 < tempel> which romfs? 15:59 < pepie34> romfs is a readonly filesystem 15:59 < tempel> and you want to put that on the ipod? 15:59 < pepie34> wich is recognize by linux 15:59 < pepie34> my basic idea is to put a romfs entry on the firmware partition 16:00 < tempel> that hides things badly, though. oh well, if you like it... 16:00 < pepie34> with linux.bin and a basic / 16:00 < pepie34> well you don't have to repartition the hard drive 16:01 < pepie34> which i find safer if it's work 16:02 < pepie34> as it is raw 16:02 < pepie34> (mean files are full in one sequence on the hard drive) 16:03 < tempel> i see. 16:04 < pepie34> it is even possible to use it to store fw image or the loader or whatever 16:04 < tempel> sounds good 16:04 < tempel> or load it as a file from the fat partition 16:04 < pepie34> yes also 16:04 < pepie34> but you have to have "loop" vfs on the loader 16:05 < pepie34> what do you mean by loading from a fat partition? 16:05 < pepie34> (i may misunderstand it) 16:06 < pepie34> it will not be raw if store on fat 16:06 < pepie34> say you have a romfs.img file 16:07 < pepie34> It may be split in clusters on fat 16:07 < tempel> oh well, then let's make sure it's not fragmented 16:07 < pepie34> so the loader can not access to it 16:07 < tempel> the loader could then alert the user and the user can try again 16:08 < tempel> that way, the loader just tells the linux kernel on which blocks the romfs is located 16:08 < pepie34> I don't thing it is possible 16:08 < tempel> because that's what you need anyways, right? the kernel needs to know where it's on the disk 16:09 < tempel> or do you want to load it into memory?? 16:09 < pepie34> yes but it should be possible i don't know how to do it 16:09 < pepie34> not at all in the memory 16:09 < pepie34> it is not a ramdisk 16:10 < pepie34> I don't thing it is possible to load romfs from fat by linux 16:10 < tempel> uclinux uses a romfs by finding it in memoy, though, usually. so you'd need it load to ram, unless you rewrite the romfs driver in the kernel so that it can also get the info from the disk 16:10 < pepie34> because we will need loop functionality 16:10 < tempel> you did not understand what i suggested earlier: 16:10 < tempel> loader makes sure the romfs is a non-fragemented file and then the kernel can locate it easily 16:11 < pepie34> ok 16:11 < pepie34> i understand now 16:11 < tempel> no need for fat fs then 16:11 < pepie34> but it wont be abble to load the fat after 16:11 < tempel> in any case - the kernel needs to be able to access romfs by reading disk sectors 16:11 < pepie34> may there is some protection here 16:11 < tempel> whatever, it's only an option to load it from fat instead from the fw partition anways 16:11 < pepie34> tempel that should be possible 16:12 < tempel> well, then do it :) 16:12 < pepie34> it would be easier to have a romfs entry in the ipodfw part 16:12 < pepie34> at least for the loader 16:13 < pepie34> we can even use it for say...storing pictures 16:13 < pepie34> :) 16:13 -!- florian [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:14 -!- florian__ [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 16:16 < tempel> the fw part is already a file system. a flat one, but good enough to store pictures in it 16:16 < tempel> the romfs makes only sense for storing theuserland in it for the kernel 16:17 < tempel> after all, creating the romfs requires a new set of tools again 16:17 -!- zourse [n=zourse@225.80-202-197.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:17 -!- r3boot [n=r3boot@gatekeeper.nl.eu.org] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:17 -!- zourse [n=zourse@225.80-202-197.nextgentel.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:18 < tempel> the people that provide the userland could also easily provide a romfs version of it. but the average user should not have to deal with creating romfs imgs. after all, think of Windows users 16:18 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-247-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:19 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has joined #ipodlinux 16:19 < pepie34> tempel we don't have driver for the ipod firmware partition 16:19 < pepie34> but at least we do have romfs driver for a lot of os 16:19 < tempel> there is no windows driver for romfs either 16:19 < pepie34> nope 16:20 < pepie34> http://www.acc.umu.se/~bosse/ 16:20 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@225.80-202-197.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:20 < pepie34> there is one 16:23 -!- pepie34 [n=pepie34@192.33.221.204] has quit ["Quitte"] 16:28 < rmh3093> romfs....ohhh tempel are you finally getting on the initrd banwagon 16:29 -!- asraniel [n=asraniel@88.24.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ipodlinux 16:35 < rmh3093> [12:11:59] uclinux uses a romfs by finding it in memoy, though, usually. so you'd need it load to ram, unless you rewrite the romfs driver in the kernel so that it can also get the info from the disk 16:35 < rmh3093> thats the bootloaders task ------------___^^ 16:39 < tempel> rmh3093, i've used romfs before in an embedded uclinux system. the kernel then will access the romfs in memory. but since we don't load it into memory because of too little RAM for it, it doesn't work just like that 16:39 < tempel> it's called romfs because it means ROM, which is memory 16:52 < rmh3093> ahhh so we need a virtual romfs driver 16:52 < rmh3093> i get it what you are saying 16:59 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-247-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:07 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:17 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.39.6] has joined #ipodlinux 17:17 < scriptx> Does anyone know of any good hardware hacker forums? 17:20 < yohu123> josh_, courtc....please respond guys 17:27 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:28 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@225.80-202-197.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:30 < yohu123> anyone that can help me with a hotdog problem? 17:36 < rmh3093> tempel: i think this was already mentioned.... but what romfs and loopback device support was added to loader2, then a romfs image could me mounted via the loopback dev and accessed though romfs.... 17:37 < tempel> whatever. let pepie figure itout 17:37 -!- WaterCooled [n=WaterCoo@isa95-1-82-229-84-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:42 < linuxstb> Does anyone know if the Windows IPL installer requires the user to have administrative privileges in order to perform raw accesses to the ipod's hard drive? My ipodpatcher.exe apparently needs admin rights, and I was wondering if it is doing something the wrong way. 17:45 < davidc___> IIRC - all raw disk accesses need admin under windows 17:45 < davidc___> but I could be wrong 17:45 -!- NsN [n=philip@wh391.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #ipodlinux 17:47 < linuxstb> That's what I assumed, but I'm curious to know for sure. Maybe I should go visit microsoft.com... 17:51 < davidc___> linuxstb: warning - devils may be there ;) 17:54 < yohu123> there must be someone that can help me with a hotdog problem or atleast someone that knows how to mount the ipods linux partition in COLINUX? 18:01 -!- asraniel [n=asraniel@88.24.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 18:09 -!- erus` [n=Tom@ACCBBE9D.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:21 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.39.6] has quit [] 18:24 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.59.139] has joined #ipodlinux 18:47 -!- WaterCooled [n=WaterCoo@isa95-1-82-229-84-55.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 18:53 -!- SpeTIX [n=SpeTIX@host31-80.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ipodlinux 18:59 -!- DanTycoon [n=Daniel@c-71-234-113-189.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:00 < tempel> linuxstb, i can confirm with sureness 19:00 < tempel> you need admin rights to write to disks on block level on windows. it's clearly doc'd on MSDN 19:01 -!- DanTycoon [n=Daniel@c-71-234-113-189.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 19:01 < tempel> yes, the scary part is that windows allow you to alter sectors of a mounted volume! meaning a smart virus could alter volume structures without the file system noticing 19:03 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.59.139] has quit [] 19:04 < BleuLlama> boot sector viruses are so 1990 19:04 < BleuLlama> ;) 19:05 < tempel> yes, but you'd expect that MS would have learned from that... 19:05 < tempel> well, i would 19:05 < scriptx> It's Microsoft... 19:05 < scriptx> They don't learn 19:08 < linuxstb> tempel: Thanks for the confirmation. Now I know the answer when people complain about ipodpatcher needing admin rights. 19:09 < tempel> my rohPod gives a warning about this already, although it only hints at it. i should add a real check for admin rights and only then give the warning (currently, it warns whenever a write attempt fails) 19:15 < NsN> Is there any nice and easy way to do sign extension in ARM assembler after a shift? 19:16 < davidc___> nsn - asr? 19:16 < davidc___> asr will sign extend while shifting right 19:17 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@unaffiliated/demonthing] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 19:17 < NsN> davidc__: Thanks, that should be exactly what i need! 19:18 < NsN> davidc__: I just realised, that i never looked at the flexible operands table, after i found lsl and lsr... 19:20 -!- Exoulster [n=exoulste@host81-7-11-81.adsl.v21.co.uk] has left #ipodlinux [] 19:23 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@225.80-202-197.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 19:26 -!- KDEfanboy [n=hkhiuh@24-56-162-102.nm.warpdriveonline.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:29 < KDEfanboy> is it possible to subscribe to an iTunes feed without using iTunes? they are those like http://phobos.apple.com/.... that launch iTunes 19:30 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 19:31 -!- SpeTIX [n=SpeTIX@host31-80.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has quit ["Client exiting"] 19:45 < BleuLlama> KDEfanboy: yes 19:46 < KDEfanboy> excellent. how? 19:46 < BleuLlama> KDEfanboy: in iTunes, in the Advanced menu, there's an option, which lets you type in or paste in the RSS url 19:46 < BleuLlama> or, if you're making a link to give to someone, do something like: itms://tikibartv.com/rss.xml or what have you 19:47 < KDEfanboy> ah.. i have to run iTunes to get to it, eh? no, i have a phobos url but i don't run windows 19:48 -!- fxb [n=felixbru@p548FE9C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:55 < BleuLlama> oh. no idea. 20:17 -!- erus` [n=Tom@client-82-27-247-99.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:19 -!- erus` [n=Tom@client-82-27-247-99.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:19 -!- erus` [n=Tom@client-82-27-247-99.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:19 -!- SereR0KR [n=Fletcher@Fd057.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit ["XChat Aqua"] 20:22 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit ["Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC."] 20:23 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 20:25 -!- SereR0KR [n=Fletcher@Fd057.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 20:31 < aegray> anyone remember the order of programs in softupd? is it bootloader diag diskmode diskscan? 20:32 < aegray> nm 20:32 < aegray> got it 20:32 -!- aegray [n=aegray@71.194.37.21] has left #ipodlinux [] 20:38 < NsN> Anyone know a fast way to sign extend a halfword to a word? The only idea i've got is to compare it to 0x8000 and if it is unsigned higher, to orr it with 0xFFFF0000. 20:47 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit ["Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC."] 20:59 -!- alh [n=alh@c83-249-72-222.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 21:04 -!- KDEfanboy [n=hkhiuh@24-56-162-102.nm.warpdriveonline.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 21:07 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit ["und weg"] 21:10 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=Steve-O@adsl-65-71-93-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:42 -!- Thijs [n=mathijs@82.74.181.247] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:58 -!- Keegan_Witt [n=KeegansL@oh-71-55-62-215.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:59 < Keegan_Witt> hey, I am considering using ipodlinux, but I wondered how it synced with the computer. Does itunes still work? 22:02 < Keegan_Witt> also, how stable is this with a 30GB color? 22:02 < NsN> Keegan_Witt: ipodlinux won't replace the apple firmware. When you start the ipod you can choose, if you want to start linux or the normal firmware. 22:02 < Keegan_Witt> but it can replace the firmware if desired? 22:03 < davidc___> Keegan_Witt: theoretically yes, but we recommend dual booting 22:03 < davidc___> which is what the installer is configured for 22:04 < Keegan_Witt> i c, if this is done, the same fs will be used by both ipod linux and apple firmware? (i.e. there is not 2 copies of all songs for each)? 22:06 < NsN> Yes, normally you will have a small linux partition (100 MB) and the songs will be imported from the original partition 22:06 < NsN> But for listening to music i would recommend the normal apple fw 22:06 < Keegan_Witt> y? 22:06 < Keegan_Witt> is it not yet stable? 22:07 < davidc___> it is, but the apple vers can play higher bit rate songs 22:07 < Keegan_Witt> and can it play ogg? 22:07 < tempel> perhaps you should also check out www.rockbox.com, Keegan_Witt 22:08 < Keegan_Witt> wat happens when you attempt to play higher bitrates? 22:10 < tempel> sodom and ghomorra, probably 22:11 < Keegan_Witt> lol 22:11 < tempel> yes, iPL is known to be naughty 22:12 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@225.80-202-197.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:13 < Keegan_Witt> tempel, wat is the differance between rockbox and ipodlinux? 22:13 < tempel> they're different. check it out. it has a web page 22:13 < tempel> rokbox is mainly a music player, iPL is mainly linux 22:16 < Keegan_Witt> ill have to read on that, ty 22:18 < Keegan_Witt> whois Keegan_Witt 22:19 < Keegan_Witt> ahh, that is not a command ;) 22:19 -!- Keegan_Witt [n=KeegansL@oh-71-55-62-215.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 22:28 < NsN> hyarion: Are you there? 22:33 < tempel> wohooo! rohPod has a journalling function now - you can mess your ipod up and undo all changes later again 22:33 < tempel> well, as far as you only mess it up with rohPod, that is 22:36 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@unaffiliated/demonthing] has joined #ipodlinux 22:40 < NsN> Argg, i spent two day optimizing my code in assembler, and now it actually is slower than before... 22:41 < tempel> rofl 22:43 < NsN> I take that as a personal insult from gcc, i will show that programm who the boss is... 22:45 < tempel> hilarious. what is it that you tried to optimize? 22:47 < NsN> The fast inverse cosine transformation. In the end with 2 unrolled loops it became about 2000 lines of assembler... 22:47 -!- pjo [n=pjo@i58-94-247-217.s02.a022.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 22:47 < tempel> err, you know, CPUs like tight code so they can load it from their internal cache... 22:48 < tempel> branching is usually at no cost with modern cpus 22:48 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=Steve-O@adsl-65-71-93-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:50 < NsN> Its not so much branching, thats the problem, each loop is executed 8 times, and since i didn't want to waste one register just for that, i unrolled them... 22:51 < NsN> The first loop is about 100 lines, the second a bit less than 200 22:51 < NsN> But i already figured a few things, that might improve performance 22:59 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:06 -!- Tardis_ [n=chatzill@174.87.32.203.velocitynet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 23:07 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@unaffiliated/demonthing] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 23:09 -!- pjo [n=pjo@i58-94-247-217.s02.a022.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:10 < davidc___> NsN: you're gonna pay a performance penalty because it'll cache miss a lot more 23:11 -!- SereR0KR [n=Fletcher@Fd057.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit ["XChat Aqua"] 23:11 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@unaffiliated/demonthing] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 < NsN> davidc__: I want to make it in to a loop (just because it is easier to maintain). But i think my code is actually faster, the main problem is, that i didn't implement any checks, to see if there might be nothing to calculate (all rows/ columns zero). Would a 200 lines loop be small enough for the cache? 23:15 < davidc___> yea, probably 23:15 < davidc___> 2000 is a bit excessive 23:17 < NsN> I figured that i only use the lower 2 bytes of one register, so i'm going to count in the upper byte and see if a loop improves performance or just readability 23:23 -!- Tardis [n=chatzill@174.87.32.203.velocitynet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:31 -!- Tardis__ [n=chatzill@174.87.32.203.velocitynet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 23:31 -!- Tardis__ is now known as Tardis 23:36 -!- NsN [n=philip@wh391.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 23:40 -!- aegray [n=aegray@c-24-12-226-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:42 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 23:42 -!- erus` [n=Tom@client-82-27-247-99.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:57 -!- Tardis_ [n=chatzill@174.87.32.203.velocitynet.com.au] has quit [Connection timed out] --- Log closed Sat May 27 00:00:00 2006