--- Log opened Thu May 25 00:00:01 2006 00:00 < pjo> I want to uninstall Loader 2 so that I can dual boot into Apple and iPL again 00:00 < aegray> just run the regular install procedure for whatever you want 00:00 < pjo> installing Loader will not enable this 00:00 < aegray> just a dualboot? 00:01 < pjo> yes just dual boot using Hold 00:01 < aegray> refalsh from the start using apple updater then do a normal install 00:01 < pjo> but that will erase all the current iPL installation, I want to keep it 00:02 < pjo> so I want to know if Loader is uninstalled, will this be possible ? 00:03 < tempel> oh great, there used to be a "http://ipodlinux.org/Installation_from_Windows" wiki page that explained the old loader install - but that's gone 00:04 < pjo> actually I want to know if Loader can be uninstalled or not 00:04 < aegray> tempel: there should be a legacy one there somewhere 00:04 < aegray> check the docs section 00:04 < tempel> it used to exist. it got replaced with a redirect 00:05 < BleuLlama> is there really a need for loader1 now that loader2 works so great (thanks tempel!) 00:05 < tempel> well, ask pjo - he wants it apparently 00:06 < IcyStorM> anyone wikipedia on 5g? 00:06 < tempel> ah, that old page (from the history) was just explaining the old installer. not the manual install procedure 00:08 < pjo> I have the .bin ehich was saved just before installing Loader 2.3 00:09 < tempel> http://ipodlinux.org/RohPod -- note the 4th item on the top list 00:09 < pjo> great ! 00:10 < pjo> I will install the new RohPod 00:10 < tempel> pjo, read the loader_2 install instructions and just use the old loader.bin from whatever you had before installing loader2. 00:10 < tempel> those instructions can ionstall the old loader just like the new loader2 00:11 < pjo> that is what I thought 00:12 < tempel> what are you waiting for then? 00:13 < pjo> just wanted to have expert opinion 00:14 < pjo> I run RohPod but it does not show the windows 00:15 < pjo> I erun and now it shows ! 00:16 < pjo> the sector is different from yesterday RohPod101 00:18 < tempel> i will go to bed now. night all! 00:18 < pjo> if you have time pls take a look, RohPod is online I think 00:18 < pjo> ok 00:18 < pjo> see you later 00:18 -!- tempel [n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:20 < pjo> cd .. 00:20 < pjo> cd .. 00:25 -!- ezeeeee [n=who@p5485FD6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:29 < ezeeeee> hiho guys, i installed encyclopodia on my ipod but the fonts seem to be messed up. the headings are tiny and the rest is way too large. there are also problems with german umlauten, which results in missing text parts. does anybody know what to do? 00:38 < IcyStorM> Anybody has encyclopedia on iPod 5th generation? 00:39 < IcyStorM> And wants to help me 00:42 < IcyStorM> plz 00:42 -!- IcyStorM [n=rotis@81-232-14-132-no48.tbcn.telia.com] has quit ["leaving"] 00:44 -!- ezeeeee [n=who@p5485FD6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:16 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=Steve-O@adsl-66-141-169-130.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:19 -!- supaneko [i=j@dialup-4.229.45.44.Dial1.Detroit1.Level3.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:20 < supaneko> I'm back again... Heh. ;) 01:20 < supaneko> Why are my settings for the Apple OS part of the iPod never saved? 01:21 < BHSPitLappy> using loader2? 01:27 < NsN> Yay! I think it works! 01:30 < supaneko> Yes. 01:31 < BHSPitLappy> supaneko: loading apple_os from a file, or the firmware partition? 01:31 < supaneko> Firmware. 01:31 < BHSPitLappy> hmm 01:31 < BHSPitLappy> odd 01:31 < BHSPitLappy> plays music normally? 01:31 < supaneko> On the Apple OS side... Not on the iPodLinux side. The database suddenly quit displaying. 01:33 < BHSPitLappy> seems like appleos might not be getting write access to the drive for some reason... what model is it? 01:33 < supaneko> Nano. 01:34 < BHSPitLappy> hmm, that's a weird one. searched the forums on the subject? 01:34 < supaneko> I'm also suddenly receiving a "Unable to connect to MPD" error when I try booting iPodLinux. 01:34 < supaneko> Oh... You know, on the first one, I have not. 01:34 < supaneko> I'll look now. 01:34 < BHSPitLappy> have you set up MPD? 01:35 < BHSPitLappy> it's not set up from the start. 01:35 < BHSPitLappy> if the forums don't have anything on that issue, maybe try and get ahold of tempi/tempel 01:38 -!- NsN [n=philip@wh391.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 01:40 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-45703854.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Client exiting..."] 01:41 < supaneko> OK... I've tried a few things... But I swear my Nano is not reading the start file that I place in the iPod's drive root. 01:42 < BHSPitLappy> does your /etc/rc include a line that says to run the start file? 01:43 < supaneko> Probably not... I'll check now. 01:43 < supaneko> ALSO... What does "Verbocity" refer to under settings in iPodLinux? 01:44 < BHSPitLappy> uhh, not sure... my iPodLinux installation dates probably back to March 01:44 < BHSPitLappy> I think it has something to do with pronouncing menus, etc 01:45 < supaneko> How do I add a line to tell it to check start? 01:45 < BHSPitLappy> do you have access to rc? 01:45 < BHSPitLappy> e.g. from Linux, or in PodWrite... 01:46 < supaneko> I'm using LTOOLS. 01:46 < supaneko> I can edit the file in a text editor on Windows and then save it using LTOOLS. 01:47 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:50 < supaneko> sh /hp/start ? 01:50 < supaneko> Add that line? 01:58 < aegray> anyone used nsn's thing? 02:07 < aegray> alrighty 02:07 < aegray> guess not 02:14 < supaneko> I don't think my rc file is the same as "everyone else's." From what I have seen in the forums, it appears that my iPod root directory is not being mounted as /hp, actually, it's not being mounted at all. 02:14 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: he did that video compression format, right 02:14 < aegray> has anyone here tried it? 02:15 < BHSPitLappy> supaneko: there is no "everyone else" format, in fact there are several different ways you could have ended up. 02:15 < BHSPitLappy> some rc's mount /hp, some do /mnt, some have other features that other don't 02:17 < supaneko> AHhh... If iPodLinux is not mounting /hp, what should I do to have it read a start file? 02:18 < BHSPitLappy> sob to yourself. 02:18 < BHSPitLappy> where did your userland come from? 02:19 < supaneko> ....I want to say Installer2... 02:19 < aegray> damnit 02:20 < BHSPitLappy> supaneko: then I doubt it's a faulty rc... could you pastebin its contents 02:21 < aegray> damnit 02:22 < erus`> dag namit! 02:23 < erus`> nn 02:24 < aegray> why halo thar 02:24 < aegray> whoops 02:28 < BHSPitLappy> why halo? 02:29 < aegray> halo as in hello 02:37 < supaneko> Here's my rc file... 02:37 < supaneko> #!/bin/sh 02:37 < supaneko> hostname ipod 02:37 < supaneko> mount -t proc proc /proc 02:37 < supaneko> ln -s /dev/pty/m0 /dev/ptyp0 02:37 < supaneko> ln -s /dev/pty/m1 /dev/ptyp1 02:38 < supaneko> ln -s /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc /dev/hda 02:38 < supaneko> ln -s /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /dev/hda1 02:38 < supaneko> ln -s /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 /dev/hda2 02:38 < supaneko> ln -s /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 /dev/hda3 02:38 < supaneko> ln -s /dev/tts/1 /dev/ttyS1 02:38 < supaneko> mknod /dev/ttyp0 c 3 0 02:38 < supaneko> mknod /dev/ttyp1 c 3 0 02:38 < supaneko> gen=`/bin/ipodinfo -g` 02:38 < supaneko> fs=`/bin/ipodinfo -f` 02:38 < supaneko> if [ $fs = "F" ]; then 02:38 < supaneko> mount -tvfat -osync,rw /dev/hda2 /mnt 02:38 < supaneko> if [ -h /iPod_Control ]; then :; else 02:38 < supaneko> ln -s /mnt/iPod_Control /iPod_Control 02:38 < supaneko> fi 02:38 < supaneko> fi 02:38 < supaneko> mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda3 / 02:38 < supaneko> ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 02:38 < supaneko> if [ $gen -ge 3 ]; then 02:38 < supaneko> hwclock --hctosys 02:38 < supaneko> fi 02:38 < supaneko> hdparm -q -S 1 /dev/hda 02:38 < supaneko> podzilla 02:39 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o aegray ] by ChanServ 02:39 -!- supaneko was kicked from #ipodlinux by aegray [dont flood] 02:40 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:40 -!- supaneko [i=j@dialup-4.229.45.44.Dial1.Detroit1.Level3.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:40 < supaneko> Wasn't flooding... ;) 02:40 -!- pjo [n=pjo@i58-94-247-217.s02.a022.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:40 < aegray> yea sure... 02:40 < supaneko> Hahaha, hey now... I was asked to paste my rc file. 02:40 < supaneko> I did just that. 02:40 < aegray> pastebin 02:40 < aegray> not here 02:40 < supaneko> Ohhhhhhhhhh....... 02:42 < supaneko> I'm trying to add lines to my rc file to mount the root... I'm not having much success though. 02:42 < supaneko> What lines should I add to mount the root as /hp? 02:44 < aegray> should work fine 02:44 < aegray> root of hda2? 02:45 < aegray> change mount -tvfat -osync,rw /dev/hda2 /mnt -> /mnt change to /hp 02:53 < supaneko> I did that... Now it says /hp not found. 02:53 < aegray> mkdir /hp before that 02:53 < aegray> the folder has to exist first 02:57 < supaneko> OK, it mounted with /hp... But it won't display files, just directories. 02:57 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 02:58 < supaneko> *ROFL* Actually... Ignore that last line. 03:15 -!- tobmoox [n=xoombot@24-72-198-209.cm-dynip.usadig.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:15 -!- errno_signal [i=jlex467@weill.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU] has joined #ipodlinux 03:15 < errno_signal> hi guys, do any of you own ipods? I'm at a uni machine where, as a user, i'm not allowed to eject a device. This means that I can't get rid of the Do not disconnect message on the ipod after I connect it. As I'm only hooking up the ipod to the machine to recharge it's battery, is there a way for me to configure the ipod to _not_ automatically sync with the computer? 03:16 < josh_> what OS? 03:16 < josh_> (on the "uni machine") 03:17 < errno_signal> debian 03:17 < errno_signal> sorry i forgot to mention it 03:17 < josh_> sync; sync; sync; and unplug it 03:18 < errno_signal> i was told that there was a button-combination that i could press (on the ipod) that'll reset it 03:19 < josh_> menu + center 03:19 < errno_signal> josh_: ah, great 03:20 -!- errno_signal [i=jlex467@weill.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:23 -!- ltmLcjGsX [n=ltmLcjGs@cpe-69-204-61-41.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:23 < ltmLcjGsX> anyone want to help me? 03:23 -!- tobmoox [n=xoombot@24-72-198-209.cm-dynip.usadig.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:24 < ltmLcjGsX> any one? 03:26 -!- ltmLcjGsX [n=ltmLcjGs@cpe-69-204-61-41.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:33 -!- AGh2jV5Td [n=AGh2jV5T@cpe-69-204-61-41.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:34 -!- AGh2jV5Td [n=AGh2jV5T@cpe-69-204-61-41.rochester.res.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:40 -!- supaneko [i=j@dialup-4.229.45.44.Dial1.Detroit1.Level3.net] has quit ["http://www.reformedego.com .:. 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The lastest build doesn't seem to load anything except podzilla2. 06:55 < rmh3093> what do you mean 06:55 < ShadowBlaze> I removed all the argument passing in rc file and replaced it with "podzilla" (which is pz0) and it didn't work. Just a blinking cursor 06:55 < ShadowBlaze> but when I replace it with "podzilla2" (pz2) it does load pz2. 06:56 < ShadowBlaze> iBoy loads as well but it freezes 06:57 < ShadowBlaze> I don't suppose you can provide me with a copy of 2.4.32-ipod1 kernel. I had overwritten it with 2.4.32-ipod2. 06:57 < rmh3093> i dont have that binary any more 06:57 < rmh3093> you cant compile a 2.4.32-ipod2 06:57 < rmh3093> whats the big deal with having to pass root= 06:58 < ShadowBlaze> I'm not even up to the argument passing part. The problem is that it won't load pz0 without the argument passing period. 06:58 < ShadowBlaze> But it does load pz2. 06:59 < rmh3093> i dont know why that is... but with 2.4.32-ipod2 there is no cmdline options builtin so root=/dev/hda3 is necessary 06:59 < ShadowBlaze> Yes I do have root=/dev/hda3 there 06:59 < rmh3093> but i dont get why that would effect pz0 07:00 < ShadowBlaze> I removed all the if ["$args" = "podzilla"] and all that from rc file. I replaced it with simply "podzilla" and it would just have a blinking cursor there. 07:00 < ShadowBlaze> If i replace it with "podzilla2" it would load almost instantly. 07:00 < rmh3093> thats with quiet also? 07:01 < ShadowBlaze> I didn't put quiet with either of them. 07:01 < rmh3093> well the blinking cursor usually means quiet is in the loader.conf or you ran "reset" or "chvt" in your rc file 07:01 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 07:02 < ShadowBlaze> Nope. None of that. 07:02 < ShadowBlaze> My loader.conf says iPodLinux @ hd(0,2)/kernel.bin root=/dev/hda3 07:02 < rmh3093> unless pz0 requires something i turned off in the kernel 07:03 < ShadowBlaze> Darn. Now I wish I didn't replace the ipod1 kernel. 07:04 < rmh3093> you cant just build ipod2 with your dream config? 07:04 < ShadowBlaze> I have no idea how to build kernels. Plus I don't use linux. 07:04 < ShadowBlaze> I don't suppose you can build a 2.4.32-ipod1 kernel for me. 07:05 < ShadowBlaze> I've tried following usage on cygwin and toolchain but I get lost completely hehe. 07:06 < rmh3093> ipod1 and ipod2 are essentially the same, you would rather use ipod2..... the issue must be a config option i disabled.... tormarrow i could build a non stripped down version 07:06 < rmh3093> of ipod2 07:06 -!- BHSPitMonkey_ [n=Steve-O@adsl-66-141-169-130.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:07 -!- ShadowBlaze` [i=user@h-68-164-200-129.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:07 -!- ShadowBlaze [n=ShadowBl@h-68-164-200-129.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:08 -!- ShadowBlaze` is now known as ShadowBlaze 07:08 < ShadowBlaze> rmh3093: Would you have a copy of ipod0 binary? 07:09 < rmh3093> no 07:09 < ShadowBlaze> Ah. I guess I'll have to use the stable builds until another build for 2.4.32 comes out 07:22 -!- BHSPitMonkey [n=Steve-O@adsl-66-141-169-130.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:27 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=Steve-O@adsl-66-141-169-130.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:32 -!- ShadowBlaze [i=user@h-68-164-200-129.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 08:05 -!- BHSPitMonkey__ [n=Steve-O@adsl-66-141-169-130.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:07 -!- [HSO4-] [n=i@CPE-60-224-197-83.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 08:15 -!- SereR0KR [n=Fletcher@Fd6f0.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 08:20 -!- BHSPitMonkey_ [n=Steve-O@adsl-66-141-169-130.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:38 -!- Tardis [n=chatzill@174.87.32.203.velocitynet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 08:56 -!- asraniel [n=asraniel@147.33.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ipodlinux 08:59 -!- tempel [n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi] has joined #ipodlinux 09:19 < SereR0KR> BleuLlama are you there? 09:21 < SereR0KR> I need to execute a function in hotdog when I pressed a button! but I can't get it work, yes I read the demos and I found the stuff with controls but I have no idea how to get it to my app 10:13 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:15 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:19 -!- Lozzy` [n=lozzy@host81-159-59-16.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ipodlinux 10:19 -!- Lozzy` [n=lozzy@host81-159-59-16.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 10:36 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 10:44 -!- asraniel [n=asraniel@147.33.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 10:45 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:46 -!- pjo [n=pjo@i58-94-247-217.s02.a022.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 10:48 < pjo> Hello Tempel 10:48 < tempel> what's up 10:49 < pjo> the Loader 2.4 does not read loader.cfg 10:49 < pjo> i changed Apple to xx and it did not show up 10:49 < pjo> I also checked iPL partition with Linux 10:50 < pjo> there is no loader.cfg in ext3, neither ipodloader.conf 10:50 < pjo> I instaleed 2.4 after going back to one step, which is dual boot 10:51 < pjo> 2.4 was installed manually 10:52 < pjo> from where does Loaderv 2.4 reads loader.cfg ? 10:52 < tempel> it is all documented on the wiki page 10:52 < tempel> which wiki page do you keep looking at? 10:52 < pjo> i know and loader \.cfg is located in the FAT32 partition 10:52 < tempel> show me the URL 10:53 < tempel> ok 10:53 < pjo> http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 10:54 < pjo> how come Loader 2.4 does not read loader.cfg ? 10:54 < tempel> so, you tried placing the loader.cfg on but the fat and that ext2 partition? 10:54 < tempel> you had that working before, didn't you? 10:54 < tempel> it does read it. you got something badly broken 10:54 < pjo> it was working before and you instructed me to move all but one file to move to new 10:54 < tempel> run a disk checker on your fat partition. such as norton or whatever is avail for windows 10:55 < tempel> "to new"? that's not a complete sentence 10:55 < pjo> new is a name of a directory created for this debugging purpose 10:56 < pjo> i will check FAT32 with Windows XP tool 10:56 < tempel> ok 10:57 < pjo> it reqiuires to reboot 10:57 < tempel> if you mean the name "new", then please see that you quote it next time 10:57 < pjo> see you later 10:57 < tempel> later 10:57 -!- pjo [n=pjo@i58-94-247-217.s02.a022.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh"] 10:57 < tempel> arrghh, if he needs to reboot, that probably means he's checking C: 10:57 < tempel> oh my... 10:57 < tempel> noob! 11:02 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #iPodLinux 11:16 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:16 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #iPodLinux 11:33 -!- pjo [n=pjo@i58-94-247-217.s02.a022.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 11:33 < pjo> Tempel: FAT32 was checked ok 11:34 < tempel> did you make sure you checked the ipod disk and not your C: drive? 11:34 < pjo> If you could see the sector I would be very much appreciated 11:34 < pjo> I have many drives but all of them are not FAT32 and I am very much sure 11:35 < pjo> rhopod is online 11:35 < tempel> i can not tell whether your ipod is ok by looking at the sectors, though. and i can not use vnc because your connection is waayyy too slow 11:35 < pjo> it is not the problem of this end connection speed though 11:35 < pjo> rohpod is online now 11:36 < pjo> what would be the cause that Loader 2.4 does not read loader.cfg ? 11:37 < tempel> i don't know what to do, pjo. if you your fat disk checks out fine and you see your files on the ipod in windows explorer, then all's well. 11:37 < pjo> that is what I thought too 11:37 < tempel> please, stop asking that question. i am no god, i cannot know what's wrong with your ipod 11:38 < pjo> so the next step is to update iPod with Apple to uninstall iPL ? 11:38 < tempel> probably 11:39 < tempel> i have not the time to analyse your problem, sorry 11:39 < tempel> not Update, "Restore" is what you have to use in the Apple tool 11:40 < pjo> Pls tell me if I save the bootloader and the enire ext3, can I restore the iPL installation after formatting everything ? 11:40 < pjo> in other words, what should be backed up to restore iPL installation ? 11:40 < tempel> i don't think so 11:41 < pjo> oh 11:41 < tempel> here's a common rule: 11:41 < tempel> `getit 11:41 < iplbot> getit is If you don't get this, you really shouldn't be playing with Linux. Please leave from here... spend time learning the basics of Linux. Come back in a few weeks once you understand it. Thank me then. [from tempel] 11:42 < tempel> see, my point is: 11:42 < pjo> this question is regarding iPod booting 11:42 < tempel> if you do not understand how files on your ipod work, then you have to learn some more, or do the hard work and start from scratch 11:43 < tempel> it may be possible to fix your problem, but i cannot babysit you all this time 11:43 < tempel> i have other things to do 11:43 < pjo> you have never backed up you iPL before, or you just do not want to tell me ? 11:44 < tempel> i give up. sorry, you just don't seem to understand what i am saying, and i rather use my time to be productive. i can only say: the wiki can help if you read it well. 11:44 < tempel> sorry 11:44 < pjo> ok 11:44 < pjo> thanks so far 11:44 < tempel> good luck 11:44 -!- pjo [n=pjo@i58-94-247-217.s02.a022.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-"] 11:50 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit ["So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!"] 11:59 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-248-161.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:06 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 12:10 < SereR0KR> http://pastebin.com/736905 <- anyone knows how I can add key-press-events there? ;> courtc or BleuLlama perhaps? 12:12 < SereR0KR> http://pastebin.com/736908 <- no this is better, one of the functions were wrong 12:12 -!- carl_ [n=carl@LNeuilly-152-23-25-109.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 12:25 -!- _carl [n=carl@LNeuilly-152-23-25-109.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Connection timed out] 12:35 -!- mRCUTEO [n=NIX@203.106.182.8] has joined #ipodlinux 12:35 -!- mRCUTEO [n=NIX@203.106.182.8] has left #ipodlinux [] 13:02 -!- joecool|laptop [n=joecool@no-sources/joecool] has joined #ipodlinux 13:19 -!- bluey- [n=bluey@dslb-088-073-068-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:50 -!- gunpowda [n=gdap@82-35-196-111.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 13:50 < gunpowda> hi 13:50 < gunpowda> when I boot up Apple OS (loader 2) I get an error about 'type: unknown' 13:53 -!- bluey- [n=bluey@dslb-088-073-068-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:18 -!- [HSO4-] [n=i@CPE-60-224-197-83.wa.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:25 -!- cold [n=klotman@cpc2-cwma2-0-0-cust9.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 14:27 < cold> Am unable to play music from my itunesDB in podzilla, my ipod just freezes at the point of choosing artists/playlists.... Is this a common problem/bug? ... solveable? 14:29 < gunpowda> you got mpd working? 14:29 < cold> mpd? 14:30 < cold> my ipod is 4g (color... not photo) 14:31 < gunpowda> ah, right, so this isn't pz2 14:31 < cold> is there a known issue? any help anyone can give is really appreciated.... 14:32 < gunpowda> no idea here, sorry. have you searched the forums? 14:33 < cold> yeah am just looking, have found a few other people with same prob' but can't see a solution.... seems to have happened to people with different gen pods which leads me to belive thay it is fixable... 14:34 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.20.236] has joined #ipodlinux 14:35 < cold> gunpowda: is it always this quiet in here or is it just because i'm a newb? 14:35 < yohu123> its always this quiet in here around this time 14:36 < cold> yohu: *nods*, perhaps you can help - Am unable to play music from my itunesDB in podzilla, my ipod just freezes at the point of choosing artists/playlists.... 14:36 < cold> 4g color ipod... 14:37 < yohu123> nopes, i dont use mpd 14:38 < cold> yohu: what's mpd? 14:39 < cold> I can play mp3's using the file browser... 14:39 < gunpowda> cold, generally this quiet. I've got an unanswered question too 14:39 < gunpowda> cold, do you know which version of pozilla you are using? 14:41 < cold> not really.... it's not from the latest nightlies.... says 2.4.2-ipod2 under about menu... podzilla 2006-04-14 ... 14:42 < gunpowda> right. when it loads, does it say lots of stuff about modules or not? 14:43 < cold> ya... the usual linux style boot procedure.... yes 14:44 < gunpowda> you see, I don't get options for choosing artists/playlists 14:45 < gunpowda> at all. you need a module running called mpd - music player daemon 14:46 -!- Lormor [n=Lormor@87.89-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 14:46 < Lormor> hi, my iPod is all messed up 14:46 < cold> actually i'm not sure if it says stuff about modules..... it all happens rather fast, just lots of blue writing. last line is command to run podzill... 14:46 < Lormor> can I pm someone ? 14:47 < Lormor> It freezes when i attempt to boot :s 14:47 < cold> gunpowda, what gen is your pod? 14:47 < Lormor> 4 14:47 < Lormor> click-wheel 14:47 < gunpowda> oh, right. in that case you're using the older newer version of podzilla, cool 14:47 < gunpowda> about which I know nothing 14:48 < gunpowda> it should just work. people in the forums may have had the same error 14:48 < Lormor> plzplz help me !! 14:50 < Lormor> Can I pm someone plz, my iPod is F*cked up !!! 14:50 < cold> gunpowda: if i reinstall with the nightlies will i have the version you do? have checked the forumns and can't see a solution...... 14:50 < yohu123> Lormor: when you attempt to boot into ipodlinux? 14:50 < Lormor> well, I try to boot it ( clicking rewind ) and it freezes on that penguin with an ipod 14:51 < Lormor> i supose its the bootscreen 14:51 < Lormor> then I tried a hard reset 14:51 < yohu123> how did u install ipl...using installer2? 14:51 < Lormor> no 14:51 < Lormor> intaller 3 14:51 < Lormor> i think 14:51 < Lormor> the last one 14:52 < gunpowda> cold, try a non-nightly? 14:52 < Lormor> yohu, still there ? 14:53 < gunpowda> cold, or you could use installer2, which does it all automatically 14:53 < yohu123> installer2 seems to be the latest one. i havent installed using that, so i dont know how exactly it works 14:53 < cold> gunpoada: i don't think it works for 4g colours..... which pod do you have?> 14:53 < gunpowda> 5g 14:53 < cold> gunpowda: oh, i'll give it a go... 14:54 < gunpowda> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9128 14:54 < gunpowda> I think it may well work 14:55 < Lormor> PLZ someone help me 14:55 < gunpowda> Lormor, I suggest you reinstall, I don't know what else you could do 14:55 < cold> Lormor: have you tried using the apple restore util? 14:56 < Lormor> I tried center+menu 14:56 < Lormor> and i get in the menu 14:56 < Lormor> but i dont know what apple resore is 14:56 < gunpowda> it's their updating software for ipod. it also lets you restore your ipod to its original state 14:57 < Lormor> I can't reinstall, my compu doesn't recognise it 14:57 < Lormor> ( sorry for my english :) ) 14:57 < gunpowda> Lormor, reboot it like you did before and then hold down centre+down 14:57 < gunpowda> you'll get into disk mode 14:57 < Lormor> ok 14:57 < Lormor> ok 14:57 < Lormor> im in disk mode now 14:58 < Lormor> YES ITS RECOGNISED 14:58 < Lormor> -_- 14:58 < Lormor> you guys rock ;) 14:58 < Lormor> you got yourselves a noobie in the community :d 14:58 < Lormor> cya 14:58 -!- Lormor [n=Lormor@87.89-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]"] 15:02 -!- LoRez [i=lorez@freenode/staff/lorez] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:05 < tempel> `diskmode 15:05 < iplbot> diskmode is: reboot, then immediately, when the ipod screen changes, hold these keys instead: <=3g: Fwd+Rew >=4g: Play+Center [from tempel] 15:05 < tempel> just testing 15:14 < tempel> `diskmode 15:14 < iplbot> To get into disk mode, hold the keys to reboot, then immediately, when the ipod screen changes, hold these keys instead: <=3g: Fwd+Rew >=4g: Play+Center More info here: [from tempel] 15:16 < tempel> reboot is To reboot the ipod, flip the HOLD switch on and off, then hold these buttons for about 5 seconds until the screen changes: <=3g: Menu+Play >=4g: Menu+Center More info here: 15:16 < tempel> reboot 15:16 < tempel> `reboot 15:16 < iplbot> To reboot the ipod, flip the HOLD switch on and off, then hold these buttons for about 5 seconds until the screen changes: <=3g: Menu+Play >=4g: Menu+Center More info here: [from tempel] 15:16 < tempel> ahhh 15:18 -!- cold [n=klotman@cpc2-cwma2-0-0-cust9.swan.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:21 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:30 < SereR0KR> someone who knows Hotdog here? ;> 15:31 -!- Noic3 [i=Noic3@c-212-031-176-199.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ipodlinux 15:37 -!- rconan [n=richard@82.14.25.161] has joined #ipodlinux 15:42 -!- cold [n=klotman@cpc2-cwma2-0-0-cust9.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:42 < cold> gunpowda: same thing.... I still get the same boot text and the options under the music menu are still there... 15:43 < cold> gunpowda: if you don't see playlist/artist menu on yours then how do you select music? 15:49 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:50 < gunpowda> I don't 15:53 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:53 -!- NSGN [n=brandonb@cpe-66-69-200-42.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:53 < NSGN> mornin' 15:53 < cold> gunpowda: huh? well how is one supposed to if there's no menu? 15:54 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-248-161.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:54 < NSGN> i hadnt installed iPL in a long time, but finally did again today...and am curious about something. why is my battery charging icon different now when the ipod is powered off but charging? 15:54 < NSGN> its no longer the color animation typical of my ipod photo, but its some static grey image 15:55 < NSGN> *blinks* and now the ipod just restarted without me touching it.... 15:55 < NSGN> maybe it was just really really out of juice 15:56 < cold> does anyone else here have a 4g color pod? 15:56 < gunpowda> cold, I don't play music with iPL 15:56 < gunpowda> although I'd like to 15:57 < cold> gunpowda, when you do, do you use the filebrowser or? 15:57 < cold> gunpowda, it should have a music/playlist menu shouldn't it? 15:59 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.20.236] has quit [] 16:08 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:08 -!- JtDL [n=Jesusthe@24-159-190-197.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:09 < JtDL> Hey guys 16:09 < JtDL> Someone just told me that rockbox.org is better - confirm/deny? 16:09 < rconan> its different 16:09 < JtDL> [12:07] check out rockbox.org 16:09 < JtDL> [12:07] its far better 16:09 < rconan> what ipod are you using? 16:09 < JtDL> It supports a 4g mini, which is improvement 16:10 < JtDL> 4g is not very much music btw 16:10 < NSGN> hm, iBoy is insanely slow on my 4G photo 16:10 < NSGN> i dont quite understand why because people have reported it as being really really fast 16:11 < NSGN> i have the latest version 16:11 < NSGN> and the sound works (which is cool!) but its slower than the last release without sound 16:13 < davidc__[2]> JtDL: just so you can judge for yourself - the guy with the nickname Prot is a lameass troll who regularly spams this channel 16:13 < davidc__[2]> re rockbox - both are good for their own things 16:14 < davidc__[2]> rockbox is an all in one OS - which means some of its apps can run closer to hardware - which means a performance benefit 16:14 < JtDL> Protricity isn't a troll 16:14 < JtDL> He is a longtime member in good standing at OverClocked ReMix 16:14 < davidc__[2]> JtDL: check the logs for this cahnnel 16:15 < davidc__[2]> JtDL: look at the ip addys. 16:15 < davidc__[2]> Every so often he - sometimes under another nick - comes in and floods this channel with useless crap 16:15 < JtDL> Prot is Protricity@Rizon-47F1FD46.eastlink.ca * Marc 16:15 < JtDL> Prot is i=mixup@ip70-162-10-125.ph.ph.cox.net * Prot 16:16 < JtDL> must be a different prot 16:16 < davidc__[2]> possibly. 16:16 < davidc__[2]> in any case - both OS'es have their own advantages 16:16 < JtDL> What is the point to installing linux on an iPod? 16:16 < JtDL> Does it give a larger penis in the internet world? 16:17 < davidc__[2]> *sigh* 16:17 < davidc__[2]> JtDL: obviously you've never heard of "for the joy of hacking it" 16:18 < JtDL> How is it hacking if someone else does all the work? 16:18 < JtDL> I can understand the fun of porting the OS 16:18 < JtDL> but not installing it ex post facto 16:18 < davidc__[2]> JtDL: er... look @ the +o by my name - :P 16:18 < JtDL> k 16:18 < JtDL> How is it hacking if someone else does all the work? 16:18 < davidc__[2]> that means I helped with the porting :P 16:18 < JtDL> So what would be the advantage to the common user? 16:19 < JtDL> Is there one? 16:19 < davidc__[2]> JtDL: more features, we've got video playing on non-video ipods 16:19 < davidc__[2]> more music formats 16:19 < JtDL> I run Linux on my TI-83+ because I get more memory with no change otherwise 16:19 < davidc__[2]> games 16:19 < JtDL> Is it "easy" to revert if I change my mind? 16:20 < davidc__[2]> re - the ti-83+ I call bullshit on that. Link to the project = me beliveing :P 16:20 < davidc__[2]> JtDL: yea, just use the apple restore tool 16:20 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:21 < davidc__[2]> the TI-83+ has only a z80 - which AFAIK doen't run linux 16:22 < JtDL> davidc__, I doubt it is actually linux 16:22 < NSGN> .exit 16:22 < NSGN> grr 16:22 -!- NSGN [n=brandonb@cpe-66-69-200-42.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["leaving"] 16:22 < JtDL> that was just the project name 16:22 < JtDL> I grabbed it when I was in high school 16:22 < JtDL> and that was years ago 16:22 < JtDL> let me look 16:23 < JtDL> I think I got it at ticalc.org 16:23 < alh> with some insight in the ti community I can guarantee you it wasn't real linux, or anything near it :) 16:23 < JtDL> it was basically the same interface but optimized 16:23 < JtDL> It was good enough 16:24 < scriptx> a 16:24 < JtDL> b 16:24 < scriptx> sry, wrong chan 16:24 < alh> you probably found some bash-look-alike command prompt... 16:25 < JtDL> I have a gentoo port on my XBox 16:25 < JtDL> does that count for anything? 16:25 < scriptx> You do? 16:25 < scriptx> That's hot 16:26 < JtDL> I had to mod a second XBox 16:27 -!- gunpowda [n=gdap@82-35-196-111.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:32 -!- BHSPitMonkey__ is now known as BHSPitMonkey 16:33 < BHSPitMonkey> JtDL: just so you know, "Prot" is one of the more infamous trolls here... 16:33 < BHSPitMonkey> he's come in here and flooded negative messages about this project, and then done the same thing in #rockbox . 16:35 < davidc__[2]> BHSPitMonkey: oh, didn't know he does it the other way too 16:35 < davidc__[2]> I just assumed he was a rockbox fanboy :P 16:35 < BHSPitMonkey> davidc__: like any good troll 16:35 < BHSPitMonkey> he's earned so many k-lines at freenode in general... 16:36 < davidc__[2]> BHSPitMonkey: yup 16:37 < JtDL> Hell, I've been klined from freenode 16:37 < BHSPitMonkey> yeah, but man 16:38 < JtDL> Apparently if you tell the people in #wiki that they are all fags and that the spamming is a form of victory for BS Inc, that is a klineable offense 16:38 < BHSPitMonkey> prot is in his like 20's 16:38 < JtDL> It's not my fault that they are fags 16:38 < BHSPitMonkey> and he has nothing better to do than sit around and troll on IRC... and that's just sad 16:38 < JtDL> Most of his stuff is scripts, probably 16:39 < BHSPitMonkey> drains on society, really 16:39 < tempel> davidc__, have you ever managed to write a tool that erases the first block of an ipod so that it may do what the HP tool does? 16:39 < BHSPitMonkey> I thought somebody made a tool like that 16:39 < BHSPitMonkey> an end-all-be-all recovery program 16:39 < BHSPitMonkey> was it court? 16:39 -!- davidc__ [n=davidc__@24.86.106.127] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:39 < tempel> well, davidc__ said he'd try, a few weeks ago 16:40 -!- davidc__[2] is now known as davidc__ 16:40 < tempel> BHSPitMonkey, do you mean rohPod? 16:40 < davidc__> tempel: I wrote a bunch of code that finds the ipod and maps it to a USB device 16:40 < tempel> mapping? on which OS? 16:40 < tempel> i mean, on Windows, it's just there as a drive, no need to know about USB at all 16:41 < JtDL> Windows 3.0 16:41 < davidc__> tempel: windows - to catch the most user stupidity 16:41 -!- davidc___ [n=davidc__@24.86.106.127] has joined #ipodlinux 16:41 < davidc__> tempel: d'you know how many people would erase the wrong drive? 16:41 < tempel> sure! have you checked out rohPod yet? 16:41 < BHSPitMonkey> huh 16:41 < davidc__> tempel: nope 16:41 < tempel> you should. you'd be amazed :)) 16:41 < tempel> total badass tool 16:41 < BHSPitMonkey> forgot what it is 16:42 < davidc__> tempel: whats it do? 16:42 < tempel> see the wiki :)) 16:42 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 16:42 < tempel> http://ipodlinux.org/RohPod 16:42 < davidc__> ya, readin it 16:42 < tempel> hex editor for disks, with REMOTE access 16:42 < davidc__> but how does it detect the ipods? 16:42 < davidc__> my stuff detects by USBID - can't get confused by a drive with a similar filesystem 16:43 < tempel> scanning the devices. on windows, that would be \\.\physicaldriveX 16:43 < davidc__> tempel: but how does it decide which one is an iPod? 16:43 < tempel> so, you know cases where an ipod is seen on usb but not as a drive? 16:43 < tempel> it decides by reading some blocks 16:43 < davidc__> exactly - and if the iPod is fubared? 16:43 < tempel> but since it's a disk block editor, it does not matter 16:43 < davidc__> aka - overwritten with all 0's? 16:43 < tempel> you can access any disk that appears this way 16:44 < rmh3093> tempel: cant you grab a vendor ID from the disk 16:44 < tempel> and if it finds ipod data, it can optionally show that too 16:44 < rmh3093> and see if its Apple 16:44 < davidc__> anyhow - the point is - the code I've got - which you can have if you want - maps all usb devices on the bus that have the apple vendorID 16:44 < davidc__> and maps that to a physicaldrive# 16:44 < tempel> davidc__, yes, i would like that very much 16:44 * tempel is glad he asked davidc :) 16:44 < davidc__> tempel: k - gimme a sec to find where I put it 16:45 < tempel> i am currently adding a journaling function - so that one can always restore anything one has damaged 16:46 < davidc__> tempel: oh - and it can actually detect which model iPod it is 16:46 < tempel> then it becames more lame ass, but that's ok, i hope 16:46 < tempel> neat! 16:46 < davidc__> tempel: I would still recommend leaving sanity checks in there 16:46 < davidc__> aka - drive size / maker matches that ipod 16:46 < davidc__> + still do your read sanity checks 16:46 < tempel> err, you've seen my loader2 work? do i look like someone who is not careful? :) 16:47 < davidc__> because I'm not 100% confident about the devicename - physicaldevice mapping 16:47 < tempel> ok, got it 16:47 < davidc__> no, I mean I don't trust my code to map to a physicaldrive right always ;) 16:47 < tempel> yep 16:47 < davidc__> that bit of windows is rather undocumented 16:47 < davidc__> I can find you a drive letter for sure if you'd rather work from there 16:47 < tempel> oh, i had two days of fun trying to map volumes to phsicaldrives... 16:47 < tempel> awful 16:48 < JtDL> OK, fags. I'm out. 16:48 -!- JtDL [n=Jesusthe@24-159-190-197.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has left #ipodlinux ["Another Victory for BS Inc."] 16:48 < tempel> and their sample code is often outdated 16:48 < tempel> davidc__, i guess you were right about JtDL 16:48 < davidc__> yup, I was 16:49 < davidc__> tempel: david.carne.ca/stuff.cpp 16:49 < tempel> got it. thanks 16:50 < davidc__> tempel: and for the switch section with the ipod models - there are a few more productID's in a thread on the wiki 16:50 < tempel> ok, will make a note of it 16:50 < tempel> thread on the wiki?? 16:50 < tempel> you don't mean forum? 16:52 -!- WaterCooled [n=WaterCoo@isa95-1-82-229-84-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:52 < WaterCooled> d 16:53 < WaterCooled> hi 16:54 < JesustheDarkLord> tempel, what was he right about regarding me? 16:54 < tempel> oh, we were wondering who you're trying to fool. 16:55 < JesustheDarkLord> No one 16:55 < JesustheDarkLord> I am a part of BS Inc - we play StarCraft 16:55 < JesustheDarkLord> not all of us are dicks like prot and digital coma 16:56 < JesustheDarkLord> And I am interested in linux on my ipod - I just don't know much about it 16:57 < JesustheDarkLord> [12:38] Apparently if you tell the people in #wiki that they are all fags and that the spamming is a form of victory for BS Inc, that is a klineable offense 16:57 < JesustheDarkLord> When I said that, I thought it was pretty clear I wasn't hiding anything 16:58 < davidc__> tempel: yea, forum 16:59 < davidc__> tempel: anyhow - theres a bit of code in there thats commented out that does the mapo to drive letters 16:59 < davidc__> tempel: it does it in a way thats guaranteed to be right 16:59 < tempel> ok 16:59 < davidc__> tempel: hte part that I think is dodgy is that IOCTL - I never found any explicit docs that say that that returns whats on the end of physicalDriveX 17:00 < davidc__> however, it always seems to be correct ;) 17:00 < davidc__> and I saw it used in a code example 17:00 < davidc__> Oh - and you'll either need the windows DDK - or minGW to compile it 17:00 < tempel> good enough for me 17:00 < davidc__> uses low level non-win32 funcs 17:00 < tempel> i will double check 17:01 < JesustheDarkLord> I am going out of town for a few days. I will look more into this when I return. 17:01 < JesustheDarkLord> Bye for now. 17:01 < davidc__> anyhow - that code is based off some sample code I found 17:02 < davidc__> its been pretty much rewritten 17:02 < davidc__> but some of it still carries over 17:02 < davidc__> shouldn't be any licensing issues 17:03 < tempel> i can't see why such small code samples can be subject to licensing anyways 17:03 < davidc__> don't think they can 17:03 < tempel> they do not use complicated algorithms 17:03 < cold> davidc: my ipod freezes when i try to access music in the itunesdb (4g color)... is this an unsolved issue? 17:03 < davidc__> cold: remove podcasts from the ipod 17:03 < cold> davidc: no podcasts... 17:03 < SereR0KR> davidc__ do you know Hotdog? ;> 17:04 < davidc__> SereR0KR: yup 17:04 < SereR0KR> and do you know how to use it? ;> 17:04 < davidc__> cold: which PZ - PZ0 or 2 17:04 < davidc__> SereR0KR: eyup 17:04 < davidc__> *yup 17:04 < cold> davidc: used to.... it has recording on it though.... 17:04 < SereR0KR> would you tell me how to recognize when a key is pressed on the iPod 17:04 < SereR0KR> I looked at the demos 17:04 < SereR0KR> found the code 17:04 < SereR0KR> but I can't get it work on my project 17:04 < davidc__> SereR0KR: pastebin it 17:04 < SereR0KR> ok 17:06 < SereR0KR> http://pastebin.com/737418 17:06 < SereR0KR> I really need to get the controls work ^_^ 17:06 < davidc__> that fd stuff is basic linux 17:06 < davidc__> not hotdog 17:07 < SereR0KR> yes but I can't get it work :o 17:07 < SereR0KR> and I asked 2 people who also can't 17:07 < davidc__> SereR0KR: run it on the computer 17:07 < davidc__> SereR0KR: debug it on there 17:07 < davidc__> I can't tell from just reading it 17:08 < SereR0KR> I'd have to recode it to SDL o.O 17:09 -!- cold [n=klotman@cpc2-cwma2-0-0-cust9.swan.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:09 < tempel> there is no loop in the code - it seems to me it just checks once for input and then ends 17:09 < SereR0KR> hm 17:10 < SereR0KR> it should be in a while loop I think o.O 17:15 -!- WaterCooled [n=WaterCoo@isa95-1-82-229-84-55.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 17:15 < SereR0KR> ok got it work 17:15 < SereR0KR> with a while loop :D 17:24 -!- bluey- [n=bluey@dslb-088-073-107-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:27 -!- gunpowda [n=gdap@82-35-196-111.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 17:29 < SereR0KR> ok it works now 17:29 < SereR0KR> but I have to press enter/action to "activate this command" 17:30 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.53.62] has joined #ipodlinux 17:31 -!- yoyo [i=yohu123@59.183.53.62] has joined #ipodlinux 17:31 -!- yoyo [i=yohu123@59.183.53.62] has quit [Client Quit] 17:32 -!- gunpowda [n=gdap@82-35-196-111.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh"] 17:36 -!- Eamon [n=Eamon@83.147.152.42] has joined #ipodlinux 17:36 < SereR0KR> yohu123 MSN 17:38 -!- WaterCooled [n=WaterCoo@isa95-1-82-229-84-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:40 -!- Noic3 [i=Noic3@c-212-031-176-199.cust.broadway.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:43 < scriptx> If I have 0101 and shift the bits to the right 1, does it become 1010? 17:47 -!- Noic3 [i=Noic3@c-212-031-176-199.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ipodlinux 17:48 < scriptx> Er. 0101 >> 1 == 10000010? 17:51 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-248-161.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:54 < davidc__> scriptx: er, it just becomes 10 17:55 < scriptx> Roger 17:55 < scriptx> And the bit is lost forever? :| 17:55 < scriptx> The first bit 17:58 < davidc__> yup 17:58 < scriptx> That's weaksauce 17:59 -!- bluey- [n=bluey@dslb-088-073-107-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:00 < davidc__> scriptx: wtf 18:00 < davidc__> scriptx: thats what a shift operation does!~ 18:01 < davidc__> how about dividing by two? OMFG the bit is lost forever! 18:01 < davidc__> ptsh 18:03 < yohu123> anyone that knows how to run linux based commands on the ipods linux partition in windows through colinux or some other tool in windows? 18:06 -!- scriptx [n=scriptx@cpe-70-123-144-79.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:06 < yohu123> :( 18:07 -!- scriptx [n=scriptx@cpe-70-123-144-79.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 18:07 < rconan> yohu123: cygwin ??? 18:07 < rconan> theres a page about it on the wiki 18:08 < yohu123> ltools allows me to access the files on the ext2 of my ipod, such as copy/paste or delete but not to run linux based commands 18:09 < yohu123> i dont want to reboot my system with a slax linux live cd. its really frustrating to do that all the time to do something as simple as chmod a file 18:09 < rconan> cygwin has various linux commands built in you can use 18:09 < rconan> theres a page on the wiki about it 18:09 < rconan> i guess its ipodlinux.org/cygwin 18:09 < rconan> or maybe not 18:10 < yohu123> huh? 18:11 < rconan> http://ipodlinux.org/Using_Cygwin 18:12 -!- WaterCooled [n=WaterCoo@isa95-1-82-229-84-55.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 18:14 < rconan> yohu123: is that what you needed 18:14 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslb-088-072-248-161.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:14 < Noic3> Isn't i like... tons of things you can do with cygwin? 18:14 < yohu123> i checked that but its incomplete 18:15 < rconan> im not an expert on cygwin 18:16 < rconan> i think you can install it then mount the ipod as you would in linux but replacing /dev/sdX with \\\\.\\physicaldriveN 18:16 < rconan> then treat it as you would under linux 18:17 < yohu123> and how to find the physical drive and N in cygwin? 18:18 < rconan> if you look in the windows disk manager and find out which drive in the list it is 18:18 < rconan> the replace N with that 18:18 < Noic3> I downloaded some "skins" for podzilla but i could't get them on the ipod.... how do i do that? 18:18 < rconan> im no windows expert though 18:18 < yohu123> so if its disk3, the command is : \\\\.\\physicaldrive3 ?? 18:19 < rconan> you run mount \\\\.\\physicaldrive3 /mnt i think 18:20 < Noic3> anyone know how i can get new skins on my ipod? 18:21 < rconan> Noic3: what OS you on? 18:21 < Noic3> linux 18:23 < rconan> do you not just copy them into /usr/share/something 18:24 < rconan> the one that isnt fonts 18:24 < Noic3> hmm 18:25 < Noic3> i dont have my cable here so i'll check it out later :9 18:25 < Noic3> :) 18:25 -!- philhans__ [n=philip@128.187.190.183] has joined #ipodlinux 18:25 < Noic3> thank's anyway 18:29 -!- WaterCooled [n=WaterCoo@isa95-1-82-229-84-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:35 -!- Eamon [n=Eamon@83.147.152.42] has left #ipodlinux [] 18:37 -!- Quarryman [i=quarry@m228a.studby.ntnu.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:39 -!- Lormor [n=chatzill@226.30-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 18:40 < Lormor> Hi, I was just wondering. What are the goods and the bads of iPodlinux ? 18:40 < Lormor> for 4G ;) 18:42 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.53.62] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:46 < davidc__> Lormor: good - it works, does what it says it does 18:46 < davidc__> Lormor: bad - none [we're biased ;)] 18:47 < Lormor> lol :p 18:47 < Lormor> and is there a howto for the installation on the G4 18:47 < Lormor> so .. a complete format and then ipodlinux all the way ? 18:54 < tittof> 7window 15 18:56 < Lormor> ? 18:59 -!- Lormor [n=chatzill@226.30-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]"] 19:08 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by BleuLlama 19:11 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit ["So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!"] 19:13 -!- T123456789 [n=t@CPE0011115cf828-CM0010950e62fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:14 < rconan> does the IPL userland have a libc in it? 19:14 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 19:15 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@unaffiliated/demonthing] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 19:19 -!- T123456789 [n=t@CPE0011115cf828-CM0010950e62fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 19:26 -!- WaterCooled [n=WaterCoo@isa95-1-82-229-84-55.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 19:27 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o josh_ ] by ChanServ 19:27 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by josh_ 19:41 < SereR0KR> how can I make the clickwheel less sensitive? 19:41 < SereR0KR> it scrolls too fast :> 19:41 < SereR0KR> not in Podzilla, in my own app 19:41 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 19:42 < josh_> SereR0KR: what toolkit did you write your app with? 19:42 < SereR0KR> I use HD 19:42 < josh_> ah, so reading kb events directly. 19:42 < SereR0KR> yep 19:42 < josh_> do something where you inc a counter and then only take the event if (counter % 5) == 0 19:42 < josh_> there are 96 events to a full scroll 19:42 -!- rconan [n=richard@82.14.25.161] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:42 < josh_> that'll bring it down to 18/scroll, which is what's used by the menu in pz 19:42 < SereR0KR> hm 19:42 < SereR0KR> ok 19:43 < SereR0KR> if (counter % 5) == 0 then scroll or what? ;> 19:44 < SereR0KR> and if it doesn't scroll? 19:44 < SereR0KR> add something to counter? 19:44 < josh_> take a look at the definition of TTK_SCROLLMOD in ttk/src/include/ttk.h 19:49 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit ["und weg"] 19:50 < SereR0KR> it doesn't look different to me if I use counter % 10 or counter % 5 == 0 19:53 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit ["So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!"] 20:03 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:10 -!- Quarryman [n=quarry@sapiens.pvv.ntnu.no] has joined #ipodlinux 20:10 < jedix> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ybcVyeOlzEg&search=randy%20johnson%20bird 20:12 -!- barretj [n=barretj@pool-151-197-236-85.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:18 < rmh3093> that is awsome -------^^ 20:18 -!- barretj [n=barretj@pool-151-197-236-85.phil.east.verizon.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20:18 -!- Quarryman [n=quarry@sapiens.pvv.ntnu.no] has quit ["argh"] 20:19 -!- barretj [n=barretj@pool-151-197-236-85.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:20 -!- Baosen [n=lol@115.84-48-99.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:21 < Baosen> Hello, does anyone got a good RC file for the ipod? I screwed mine so I need to replace it 20:22 < Baosen> Using PodZilla on a 5G 20:23 < Baosen> No one can help me? 20:25 < Baosen> ;_; 20:25 < aegray> use the installer 20:26 < Baosen> Then I need to reinstall... well, don't want to delete my whole installation after I have installed so much on it.... Well tnx :) 20:26 < Baosen> No way to just replace it? 20:27 < davidc__> Baosen: not that would be easily doable without us walking you throught it 20:27 < davidc__> and you'd need linux for that 20:28 < barretj> davidc__: did you get my pm? 20:28 < Baosen> I got Ltools to access my linux partition, doesn't that work? 20:28 < davidc__> barretj: david.carne.ca/stuff.cpp 20:29 < davidc__> barretj: no actual restore code for it yet - just detects it 20:29 < davidc__> what are you planning to do with it 20:29 < barretj> i am attempting to write an app that lets me transfer files to the ipod without using itunes, but i also want it to detect if the ipod is plugged in and thats what i need your code for 20:29 < Baosen> copy over the new rc file to the ipod replacing the old not working one 20:30 < Baosen> oh 20:30 < Baosen> sry 20:30 < barretj> hmm, your site seems to be down 20:30 < Baosen> :P 20:30 < davidc__> barretj: doubt it 20:30 < davidc__> barretj: it seems pretty up to me 20:30 < aegray> up to me! 20:30 < davidc__> barretj: what license is your code going out under? 20:32 < barretj> i wasnt planning on releasing it, but i will if neccessary 20:34 < SereR0KR> OS? 20:36 -!- Eamon [n=Eamon@83.147.152.42] has joined #ipodlinux 20:39 < davidc__> barretj: this code is GPL'ed 20:39 < davidc__> if you want yto use it - you need to respect the GPL 20:40 < aegray> i respect it. I think it has merits. I just don't use it or follow it. 20:40 < davidc__> remember that just because it doesn't have a standard GPL header on it, it means that its automatically more restrictive than the GPL ;) 20:40 < davidc__> aegray: oh go away. 20:40 < aegray> :( 20:41 < davidc__> but in this case - I'm telling you that it is GPL'ed - so you can sue it under that license 20:41 < davidc__> anyhow - as long as you paly nice with the GPL - its all ok 20:41 < aegray> sue it? 20:42 < davidc__> *play 20:42 < davidc__> *use 20:43 < davidc__> actually barretj - now that I think about it - I can't release it under the GPL 20:43 < barretj> if you modify GPLed code but only use it for personal use, you dont have to release it, right? 20:43 < davidc__> as it uses code form other sources 20:43 < davidc__> oh, for personal uses, no 20:43 < barretj> oh, crap 20:43 < aegray> WE"LL SUE YOU 20:43 < davidc__> but that code was publically available 20:43 < davidc__> so its really dubious 20:43 < barretj> heh, ok 20:43 < barretj> for some reason my isp is blocking access to your site 20:43 < davidc__> but my code contributions ot that file are GPL'ed 20:43 < barretj> lol 20:44 < davidc__> barretj: ya, its hosted on a cablemodem 20:44 < davidc__> most of the code is mine, just bits of it arent 20:44 < davidc__> I started with some example code =- but then almost entirely rewrote it for clarity + sanity 20:44 < davidc__> anyhow - if you're not building binaries + distributing them, we're fine 20:44 < davidc__> if you start to sell a restore tool - we're not 20:45 < barretj> lol 20:45 < Baosen> Can I just delete my podzilla install manually then let the installer install podzilla again without reformat? 20:45 < barretj> i'm just fed up with itunes, and want something simple, i've made an app based off ipod-sharp 20:45 < aegray> jumpin on that bandwagon already 20:46 < aegray> is it just going to be an itunes clone? 20:46 < barretj> wget http://david.carne.ca/stuff.cpp 20:46 < barretj> 16:46:00 ERROR 404: Not Found. 20:47 < barretj> aegray: not really an itunes clone, just a very simple app for transferring files to the ipod and putting them in the iTunesDB 20:47 * aegray likes itunes 20:47 * aegray wishes it was avail for linux 20:47 * BleuLlama too 20:47 < scriptx> what about 20:47 < scriptx> SharpMusique? 20:47 -!- Baosen [n=lol@115.84-48-99.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:48 < davidc__> barretj: try again 20:48 < scriptx> http://nanocrew.net/software/sharpmusique/ 20:48 < davidc__> barretj: I moved it while we settled the licensing issue ;) 20:48 < barretj> worked that time, thanks 20:49 < scriptx> aegray, bleullama: http://nanocrew.net/software/sharpmusique/ Is that what you're wanting? 20:49 < BleuLlama> i want iTunes. 20:49 < barretj> i wonder if it works with wine 20:49 < scriptx> pff 20:49 < scriptx> whatever 20:49 < BleuLlama> i don't run linux on my desktop machines. 20:51 < jchillerup> iTunes does work with wine 20:52 < jchillerup> So does WMP -- not the DRM stuff, though 20:52 < scriptx> What's wrong with SharpMusique, bleu? 20:52 < BleuLlama> 16:49 <@BleuLlama> i don't run linux on my desktop machines. 20:53 < scriptx> So why do you want it available for Linux? 20:53 < BleuLlama> i don't. 20:53 < scriptx> * aegray wishes it was avail for linux 20:53 < scriptx> * BleuLlama too 20:53 < BleuLlama> 16:47 * aegray likes itunes 20:53 < BleuLlama> 16:47 * BleuLlama too 20:53 < scriptx> * aegray likes itunes 20:53 < scriptx> * aegray wishes it was avail for linux 20:53 < scriptx> * BleuLlama too 20:53 < aegray> damnit 20:53 < barretj> lol 20:53 < BleuLlama> so he typed something in the middle. stfu 20:53 < aegray> i like the whole itunes experience - how easy it is to search and sort 20:53 < BleuLlama> agreed 20:53 < aegray> and how easy it is to sync 20:54 < scriptx> go die 20:54 < BleuLlama> i like that my music is kept in a database. makes it easier to manage 20:54 < aegray> + podcasts + videos + sometimes purchases 20:54 < BleuLlama> yep 21:03 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 21:06 < aegray> davidc__ i told you about the diag mode thing for photo with tv out right? 21:06 < davidc__> aegray: what huh?!?! 21:06 < davidc__> seriosuly? 21:06 < davidc__> does a new FW release have that or something? 21:06 < aegray> its always been in there - just nothing jumping to it 21:07 < davidc__> aegray: sweet! 21:07 < davidc__> must play with when home 21:07 < aegray> i fucked around with it though and its clocks are all off 21:07 < davidc__> didja try jumping to it from userland code? 21:07 < aegray> it puts something on the screen 21:07 < davidc__> on the TV screen? 21:07 < aegray> but it looks like a clock is off 21:07 < aegray> yea 21:07 < davidc__> how'd you jump to it? 21:07 < davidc__> like what does it put up there? 21:07 < davidc__> holy fuck. Gimme example code - hacking session ta: 3 hours 21:08 < aegray> changed the first 3 lines of sleepshort test to: ldr r0, =tvtest mov pc, r0 db tvtest 21:08 < davidc__> wel, or whatever code you used to jump 21:08 < aegray> want me to send you the diag bin? 21:08 < davidc__> sleepshort? 21:08 < davidc__> aegray: not right now.. must finish work 21:08 < aegray> k 21:08 < davidc__> doing some nasty png writer code 21:08 < aegray> i was messing around with one of the other things in there and found that 21:08 < davidc__> must finish first 21:08 < aegray> ewe 21:08 < aegray> k 21:08 < davidc__> then hacking 21:08 < aegray> i gotta go get laptop fixed :) 21:08 < davidc__> haha, its even worse than you think :P 21:08 < davidc__> its all done with a fucking state machine! 21:08 < aegray> for work? 21:08 < davidc__> yay! 21:08 < davidc__> ya 21:08 < aegray> what??? 21:08 < aegray> why? 21:09 < aegray> to both why png writer for work and for a state machine 21:09 < aegray> unless its being implemented in hardware 21:10 < davidc__> aegray: eh, there is a reason to do it with a state machine :P 21:11 < davidc__> if you a) have one thread 21:11 < davidc__> and b) need to generate it in chunks as its streamed to the client via http 21:12 < aegray> ah 21:12 < aegray> but... why for work??? 21:12 < aegray> i thought you worked on routers 21:12 < davidc__> aegray: and this router has a web interface, and needs to generate a pretty picture 21:13 < davidc__> anywho - what kinda image do you see on the screen? 21:13 < davidc__> just a test pattern? 21:13 < aegray> looks like a fucked up test patter 21:13 < aegray> n 21:14 * BleuLlama looks into getting an iPod Photo. ;) 21:14 < aegray> like i said it looks like its scrolling and skewed 21:14 < davidc__> ah! probably a PAL / ntsc issue 21:14 < davidc__> ah, msised that bit 21:14 < davidc__> where was that sleepshort again? 21:14 < aegray> no i can switch it up 21:15 < aegray> just pick one of the functions the menu leads towrad 21:15 < davidc__> oh, right 21:15 < aegray> lemme talk to you about it when i get back - gotta get this fixed 21:15 < davidc__> aegray: k 21:17 < BleuLlama> hmm... mame displaying out the video port. 21:18 < davidc__> mmmm 21:18 < aegray> its on the i2c bus address 0x15 21:18 < aegray> ok really g2g 21:19 < davidc__> aegray: ping me when you get back 21:19 < davidc__> AS SOON AS POSSIBLE :D 21:19 < BleuLlama> hehehe 21:19 < BleuLlama> Visualizations! :D 21:19 < davidc__> ya, that'll be slick 21:21 < davidc__> heh, screw stayin late @ work today, I'm going home to hack on this! 21:22 < erus`> lol 21:22 < BleuLlama> hehe 21:22 < davidc__> that actually might work better than the LCD controller for video 21:22 < davidc__> we know we can do DMA to it 21:23 < davidc__> so we might get a significant performance boost 21:24 < aegray> hey 21:24 < aegray> whoops 21:25 < BleuLlama> cool 21:26 -!- barretj is now known as barretj-away 21:27 < erus`> then you wont need uclinux either ? ;) 21:28 < davidc__> erus`: uh........ 21:29 < erus`> "java soon to make JVM OS" <- good for ipod linux :D i can play phone games that are slow 21:31 < davidc__> uh.. the jvm will just be as slow ;) 21:33 < erus`> yeah but its still fun on my phone 21:33 < erus`> so it will be fun :) 21:35 < Eamon> Is there much difference between C and C#? I'm interested in writing a module, my dad has a load of C# books, could I use these or should I go and get some C ones? 21:35 < davidc__> Eamon: they're completely different 21:38 < Eamon> Ah crap. Even more different than C and C++? 21:38 -!- philhans [n=philip@static-66-182-95-51.bbsc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:39 < Eamon> Would C# code compile/run well on pz2? 21:39 < erus`> lol no 21:39 < erus`> or maybe with that linux .net thing ? :S 21:39 < davidc__> Eamon: not at all 21:48 < erus`> mono that it. 21:55 -!- philhans [n=philip@static-66-182-95-51.bbsc.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:57 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb] has joined #ipodlinux 21:57 < davidc__> aiee! its a person from rockbox! run for your liiiiives 22:02 < scriptx> hah 22:07 -!- erus [n=Tom@ACCBBE9D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:08 -!- erus [n=Tom@ACCBBE9D.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:20 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@unaffiliated/demonthing] has joined #ipodlinux 22:34 -!- courtc [n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:37 -!- DJDutrow [n=icechat5@170-215-152-120.bras01.cha.wv.frontiernet.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:37 < DJDutrow> hey can i ask a question 22:39 < davidc__> no. 22:39 < davidc__> Well, y'know - you just asked a question right there 22:40 < DJDutrow> yes i know that 22:40 < DJDutrow> i know ipod can run linux and all, but can it run windows? 22:40 < davidc__> so why add a redundant question? 22:40 < davidc__> DJDutrow: ok, we're going to revoke your question asking privledges 22:40 < DJDutrow> y'know - you just asked a question right there = question 22:40 < DJDutrow> so why add a redundant question? = question 22:41 < DJDutrow> ipl is awesome, but can it run windows? a harmless question, I was going to try it, but wanted to know if it was useless 22:41 < davidc__> no, it most definitely can't run windows. 22:42 < DJDutrow> why not? 22:42 < davidc__> and to any technical person - that question causes spasms of laughing 22:42 < davidc__> because windows only runs on the x86 architecture? 22:42 < DJDutrow> why is that 22:42 < DJDutrow> i know that 22:42 < davidc__> and the ipod is what... ARM? 22:42 < DJDutrow> what does Linux run on 22:42 < davidc__> DJDutrow: everything. 22:42 < DJDutrow> oh 22:42 < DJDutrow> ok 22:42 < davidc__> it _can_ run on x86 - but it also runs on arm 22:43 < DJDutrow> what is ARM? 22:43 < davidc__> a processor type 22:43 < DJDutrow> ok 22:43 < davidc__> sorta like X86 - or PPC 22:43 < davidc__> windows CE can run on arm chips - but you'd have to port it yourself 22:43 < DJDutrow> PPC? pear pc? 22:43 < DJDutrow> i think 22:43 < davidc__> PowerPC 22:43 < DJDutrow> oh 22:43 < DJDutrow> i know there is pear pc on here 22:44 < DJDutrow> on this irc 22:44 < DJDutrow> and they said ppc is pear pc or something 22:44 < davidc__> no, thats a powerPC emulator - and pearPC was just a ripoff of qemu anyhow 22:44 < DJDutrow> i know pear pc sucks 22:45 < DJDutrow> i have Virtual PC and have no clue how to run it 22:45 < DJDutrow> i dont know how to make an image file out of the Win98 cd 22:45 < davidc__> thats not a question for this channel. But in any case - windows will not run on an iPod 22:46 < davidc__> and thats all there is to it 22:46 < DJDutrow> thats fine 22:46 < DJDutrow> k 22:46 < DJDutrow> what about Darwin 22:46 < davidc__> nope 22:46 < davidc__> needs an mmu 22:46 < DJDutrow> oh 22:47 < DJDutrow> on a pc not ipod. can it run linux 22:47 < DJDutrow> i figure you know that 22:48 < davidc__> darwin itself could run on a PC 22:48 < DJDutrow> without an emulator? 22:50 < davidc__> darwin runs on x86. ANyhow - this is off topic for this channel. 22:50 < DJDutrow> i know 22:50 < DJDutrow> nothing else is going on though 22:53 < DJDutrow> i dont see the problem 22:58 < DJDutrow> gtg bye 22:58 -!- DJDutrow [n=icechat5@170-215-152-120.bras01.cha.wv.frontiernet.net] has quit ["Famous last words"] 22:59 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:06 -!- DanTycoon [n=Daniel@c-71-234-113-189.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:06 < tempel> davidc__, you got some patience... congrats! 23:06 < davidc__> he had about two more lines before a kickban ;) 23:07 < DanTycoon> hey all 23:07 < tempel> i should try selling Windows XP to those guys, or only $299 23:07 < tempel> or -> for 23:07 < tempel> the Media edition 23:08 < DanTycoon> whats the difference between media and Pro/Home? 23:08 < tempel> why, you want to buy one from me? 23:09 < DanTycoon> No, i just want to know the difference. 23:10 < tempel> 1. it has a different name. 2. it has a differnt price. That enough? well, it's off-topic, sorry ;) 23:10 < DanTycoon> Not really...but i guess we should switch back to IPL...or something of the sort. 23:11 < davidc__> meh, I don't care 23:11 < tempel> right. isn't there a x86 emulator for linux around? that could let us run windows perhaps, and even mac os x 23:11 < davidc__> I just use it as an excuse to shutup idiots 23:11 < davidc__> tempel: dyou feel lucky today? 23:12 * tempel ducks 23:12 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [] 23:12 < tempel> so, davidc__ are you home yet? looking into the video out? 23:12 < davidc__> nope, leaving in ~50 mins 23:13 < tempel> i didn't undertand it all, but is the thing that we do not use vid-out yet, but aegray suggested that the code can be found in the flashrom and now you're going to look for that? 23:14 < tempel> and what did you mean about the faster access? something about knwing how to access the video ram faster than the lcd ram? 23:16 < DanTycoon> Oh, I just remembered something. The Installer for IPL for Windows doesn't work the way it's supposed to, I think. I dunno if that has been covered in the forums or in the beta version of the installer. I have Win XP Pro, and a 5g iPod (60g) 23:17 < DanTycoon> The installer works fine for IPL, just when you use the Apple OS, it freezes after about 3 seconds. 23:18 < DanTycoon> sound familiar to anyone? 23:19 -!- SereR0KR [n=Fletcher@Fd6f0.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit ["XChat Aqua"] 23:20 < DanTycoon> Version 2.11w? I just wanted to know if it was known that something may or may not be wrong. 23:28 < tempel> try the new beta version, 2.11w had many problems, not sure if yours was one of them though 23:28 < DanTycoon> well, i already did it by hand. 23:29 < DanTycoon> just wanted to make sure someone knew. 23:29 < tempel> what, the complete install? or fix it? 23:29 < DanTycoon> the complete install. I reformatted the iPod, and just did it by hand 23:29 < tempel> ok 23:30 < DanTycoon> i gotta go. see ya 23:30 -!- DanTycoon [n=Daniel@c-71-234-113-189.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 23:31 -!- tempel [n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:36 < Noic3> I don't get how i'm supposed to get new fonts to work on mi ipod :Q 23:36 < Noic3> (photo) 23:37 < Noic3> can anyone help me? 23:40 < Noic3> i'm using podzilla at the moment byw 23:40 < Noic3> btw* 23:45 -!- bholland [n=bholland@d154-5-98-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:49 < Noic3> -_- 23:49 -!- Noic3 is now known as Noic3|Off --- Log closed Fri May 26 00:00:01 2006