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00:24 < lazboi2006> does iboy only work in a small center window now?
00:26 < lazboi2006> anyone know?
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01:55 < josh_> incoming...
01:55 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/installer/ (packages.cc packages.h panes.h): Allow package modification by double-clicking. Allow package list saving. Fix a few bugs. v2.2 coming soon... (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1245)
01:56  * BleuLlama ducks
02:00 < BleuLlama> oh. my god. this looks f'ing sweet
02:01 < josh_> Vortex?
02:01 < BleuLlama> yeah. the transitions
02:01 < BleuLlama> i have them squishing into the center, then expanding out
02:02 < josh_> neato
02:03 < BleuLlama> i need to adjust some of the zoom values for precomputing the levels, but i'll do that later
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02:15 < decayedcell> bah
02:15 < decayedcell> SVN going weird
02:15 < decayedcell> working at school
02:15 < decayedcell> but not asking for unsigned certificate at home
02:15 < decayedcell> T_T
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02:28 < charlienail888> .
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03:07 < BHSPitMonkey> hi bholland 
03:08 < Shadowarrior13> Er...can anyone tell me why I was banned a while back?
03:08 < BHSPitMonkey> check the logs?
03:08 < Shadowarrior13> Uh...what logs? :P
03:08 < BHSPitMonkey> /whois _ipodstats 
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03:20 < scriptx>  adf
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03:56 < polok> How would I redraw a screen and show it?
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04:36 < qwm> howdy.
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04:37 < qwm> would it be possible to port GPE or OPIE to iPL?
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05:07 < mixup> teh
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05:32 < panda_of_doom> hi
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07:35 < davidc__> mixup: hey prot.
07:54 < mixup> This shitty channel still around?
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09:16 < tempi> can't someone just write a bot that kicks anyone immediately that uses "shitty channel"? it might take him a while to figure that one out...
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14:01 < Captain_Redbeard> Heyya guys
14:15 < tempi> hallo rotbart
14:16 < tempi> salut, err, barbe en rouge
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14:34 < yohu123> hi guys. i finally got a slax cd, booted it up. connected my ipod and browsed to /etc
14:35 < yohu123> and the rc was there. i then right clicked it and clicked on properties. then i found the is executable still checked
14:36 < yohu123> even then, i unchecked it, clicked on ok and then again checked it. still i get the same error ie.could not run '/etc/rc': no such file or directory
14:36 < yohu123> whats wrong now?
14:37 < BleuLlama>  /etc on the ipod or on your slax distro?
14:37 < yohu123> on my ipod sda3 drive
14:38 < BleuLlama> ok.  dunno then.  sounds like something else might be messed up on it. 
14:38  * BleuLlama shrugs
14:38 < yohu123> is my rc file somehow corrupt? should i get a fresh one?
14:47 < tempi> perhaps the entire file system is corrupt. try to run "fsck" or "e2fsck" or something like that on it
14:47 < tempi> but don't ask me how to do that
14:48 < tempi> also, try renaming the rc file to soething else, so that no /etc/rc exists any more. see what error you get then. perhaps the current error msg means something else than you think
14:55 < yohu123> no tempi its the same message
14:55 < yohu123> whats gone wrong?
14:55 < BleuLlama> i should try out the latest loader on my 1g
14:56  * BleuLlama got his 1g running again last night. YAY
14:59 < yohu123> could it be possible that my rc is corrupt. can someone give me an unmodified rc file??
15:02 < yohu123> do the advanced permissions of the rc file makes any difference?
15:04 < BleuLlama> tempi: on 1g, lock doesn't work.  i'm adding it to the wiki page
15:04 < tempi> BleuLlama, you got the disk? works? nice. only sad that you didn't buy two, you bastard!
15:04 < tempi> ouch
15:04 < yohu123> great, back to ignoring me
15:05 < tempi> dammit. i wished i had not told you about the disk, then you wouldn#t have found this bug ...
15:05 < tempi> after all, i successfully prevented courtney from getting a new disk for his 1g...
15:06 < tempi> yohu123, you find a plain rc file in the "userland". see the wiki
15:06 < tempi> BleuLlama, wouldn't you like to debug it?
15:08 < yohu123> and if replacing the rc file also dont work. what exactly do i have to re-extract/reinstall again to get rid of this error. and what modules or applications will i lose?
15:08 < tempi> BleuLlama, so you see the lock icon, but you can use the keypad nontheless?
15:09 < tempi> does podzilla show when the lock in engaged? can you see if podzilla shows it correctly then? (i copied the code from the kernel, so it should then show wrong there as well)
15:09 < BleuLlama> tempi: correct.
15:09 < tempi> yohu123, when i don't know what's wrong i can't tell you how to fix it. my advice would be to re-install everything from scratch.
15:10 < tempi> BleuLlama, which part? :)
15:10 < yohu123> excellent
15:10 < BleuLlama> tempi: and the switch does nothing.
15:10 < tempi> ah, lock icon always showing
15:10 < tempi> and kepad works
15:10 < BleuLlama> i haven't installed podzilla yet.  working on that
15:10 < tempi> ok
15:10 < tempi> i can wait... a little...
15:10 < tempi> then i am going to hang myself
15:10 < tempi> is there a hangman for ipod yet?
15:10 < BleuLlama> in loader, the lock icon is always on, the switch does nothing, and i can press buttons with the switch in either position
15:11 < BleuLlama> it's been a while since i installed linux from scratch. gimme a few
15:11 < tempi> what, even if hold is on, you can use the buttons? weird. that means that on the 1g the hold switch is only protecting in software
15:11 < tempi> while on 3g and later it really blocks all keys by hardware
15:14 < BleuLlama> yep.
15:14 < tempi> hmm, should i order a new ibook now? black?
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15:17 < BleuLlama> hold works in podzilla
15:17 < BleuLlama> (pz0)
15:18 < tempi> and does it show a lock?
15:18 < BleuLlama> yes
15:18 < tempi> ok, then i can compare the code and hopefully find the bug. thanks a lot !
15:18 < BleuLlama> no prob
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15:18 < tempi> now, where do i find $1100?
15:19 < tempi> i wonder how much i get for a 500MHz G3 white ibook still... (its speed sucks)
15:22 < BleuLlama> a couple hundred, last time i checked
15:23 < BleuLlama> prolly around $300US if it's in working condition
15:23 < BleuLlama> you might be able to get more if you part it out
15:27 < tempi> sell more by parts? that's funny
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15:41  * BleuLlama attempts to hack together an /etc/rc file that will work on a kernel from 2005-06 as well as current
15:48  * BleuLlama listens to mods!  YAY!
15:48 < tempi> BleuLlama, if you can make ethernet work as well along with your rc changes, let me know :)
15:49  * BleuLlama really needs to re-port mikmod to be a podzilla 2 module
15:49 < BleuLlama> tempi: not going to be trying it.
15:49 < BleuLlama> it requires hacking your ip-fw driver on your desktop machine, which i'm not about to do. (iirc)
15:49 < qwm> is it possible to port GPE and OPIE to iPL?
15:49 < BleuLlama> anything is possible
15:50 < BleuLlama> at zombo.com
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15:52 < tempi> BleuLlama, do you know if anyone has ever checked if the firewire support in uclinux doesn't automatically work with Apple's ip-over-firewire?
15:53 < tempi> i can't test, because i already failed at getting the fw driver loaded on the ipod
15:53 < BleuLlama> i believe it cannot work because of something low level thats different... i believe the ipod does ip/fw using a non-stnadard mode or somesuch
15:54 < BleuLlama> perhaps isochronous vs asynchronous?  I don't know
15:54 < BleuLlama> i just heard that some people were doing it at one point, and it required hacking the driver on the desktop linux box
15:54 < BleuLlama> and i never had (and still don't have) desire to try it
15:57 < tempi> ok, sounds like i don't need to try even then either. bummer.
15:57 < tempi> well, more reason to get usb working instead...
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16:10 < BleuLlama> sweet.  thanks to loader 2, i can select two different linux kernels to boot at startup time. :D
16:17 < tempi> is there any use in starting different kernels? isn't the latest always the best choice (unless there's a bug in it, of course)?
16:17 < BleuLlama> insteresting.  loader2args works with this ancient kernel
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16:17 < BleuLlama> well, at some point, sound in mikmodpodzilla broke
16:18 < BleuLlama> one of the kernel updates broke it
16:18 < BleuLlama> and i never got around to revisiting mikmodpodzilla
16:18 < BleuLlama> so i'm just using an old kernel from the same release date as mikmodpodzilla, and it works
16:20 < BleuLlama> eventually, i'll get mikmod working as a podzilla2 module, and it'll be much nicer
16:20  * BleuLlama afk for lunch
16:20 < wdc> any who know when its gonna come a supported version of ipodlinux for 5g ipods?
16:26 < tempi> it already exists, it's just not fully working, e.g. sound seems to have some issues...
16:29 < wdc> hmm, i installed the ipod linux in my new video ipod, when it starts it says that it cant load MPD and the ipod freeze when i enter the kernel :(
16:31 < wdc> besides that, its great =)
16:31 < tempi> yes, that error msg is normal, kind of
16:31 < tempi> everyone gets it
16:33 < wdc> is it normal that idoom wont work too?
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16:34 < rconan> tempi: why is that message normal?
16:34 < rconan> surely mpd must work on some ipods
16:34 < tempi> i have seen idoom work on my 5g. not that i found it playable, but it ran...
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16:35 < tempi> rconan, the default iPL install does not seem to install all that's necessary for mpd. that's why we get the error msg then
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16:36 < rconan> as far as i can tell mpd just doesnt work at all but that might be just me
16:36 < rconan> ive tried a few configurations but none worked
16:36 < wdc> i cant find the hp folder, but i found the idoom folder when i searched some more, but cant run the idoom file :(
16:38 < tempi> BleuLlama, if you have some time, you could help me finding out what's wrong with the hold switch by using "debug = 32" in the config file. that gets you into a kbd test mode... oh, darn, it's not enabled for 1g to 3g yet.. arr, forget it. gotta do some more work first. damn
16:39 < rconan> arrgh.. what are the usual causes of the "attempt to access beyond end of device" messages
16:40 < tempi> a bad partition table perhaps? a damaged file system?
16:41 < rconan> i guess the update killed it
16:41 < rconan> easiest to reinstall i guess
16:42 < rconan> actually ill give e2fsck a go first
16:45 < rconan> darn
16:45 < rconan> seems a bit dead
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16:50 < tzittere> hi. is there any experimental usb host mode support for the iPod?
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16:56 < rmh3093> tempi: 2.4.32-ipod2 is posted.... its uptodate with the recent cvs changes.... and i theres a link to the bin on the experimental page as well as the download page
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16:58 < rmh3093> rconan: if you want to save your self some trouble.... the experimental userland is preconfigured for pz2... i cant remember if I have mpd set up in that, it my never version i will have a working mpd setup
16:59 < rconan> thanks ill look
17:00 < rmh3093> the pz2 build is a few weeks old but at all fonts/schemes and a kernel and loader.cfg are in the experimental userland, just reformat, extract it... and update the pz2 binary
17:01 < rconan> which kernel is it?
17:02 < rmh3093> 2.4.32-ipod1
17:02 < rconan> kl
17:02 < rconan> im thinking update that to 2.4.32-ipod2 maybe
17:03 < rconan> what are the updates in that version?
17:04 < rmh3093> compared to ipod1... when you pass "quite" to the cmdline is 100% quiet, in ipod1 the WM codec printed a line to the screen that should have
17:04 < rconan> rmh3093: the userland build is bigger than my linux partiton
17:05 < rmh3093> hmm
17:05 < rmh3093> hold on a second
17:06 < rmh3093> hold on... im gonna make a new userland real quick.... there is a folder in there that shouldnt be
17:07 < rconan> it would be cool if you finished your userland build instructions on the wiki
17:07 < rmh3093> they arent?
17:08 < rconan> it stops at sysvinit (optional)
17:08 < rconan> it only installs busybox and ipodinfo
17:09 < rmh3093> ok so i need to add an /etc/rc /etc/inittab entries
17:09 < rmh3093> but other than that, you just need to install pz2,fonts,schemes
17:09 < BleuLlama> rmh3093: "quite"   
17:09 < BleuLlama> did you mean "quiet"?
17:09 < rconan> i assumed so
17:09 < rmh3093> yeah i type to damn fast
17:09 < BleuLlama> ok. just checking. :)
17:25 < rmh3093> rconan: how big is your partition?
17:25 < rconan> 22098
17:25 < rconan> 1K blocks
17:26 < rmh3093> the userland is 19mb all filled up
17:27 < rconan> which userland?
17:27 < rconan> the one on the site?
17:27 < rmh3093> on the one im making now
17:27 < rconan> oh
17:27 < rconan> thats ok
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17:32 < rconan> i was looking into building one but im getting errors on the compile
17:33 < rmh3093> which part
17:33 < rconan> busybox
17:33 < rmh3093> yeah but what is the error, there really only 2 errors you can get
17:33 < rconan> error is /home/richard/tools/busybox/miscutils/hdparm.c:1392: error: `BLKGETSIZE64' undeclared (first use in this function
17:33 < rmh3093> should get
17:34 < rmh3093> did you set some of those "experimental" options for hdparm
17:34 < rconan> i used your config
17:34 < rconan> plus one new option
17:35 < rconan> Store applet usage messages in compressed form (CONFIG_FEATURE_COMPRESS_USAGE) [Y/n/?] (NEW)
17:35 < rconan> Enable DD signal handling for status reporting (CONFIG_FEATURE_DD_SIGNAL_HANDLING) [Y/n/?] (NEW)
17:35 < rconan> Enable ibs, obs and conv options (CONFIG_FEATURE_DD_IBS_OBS) [N/y/?] (NEW)
17:35 < rconan>  Enable math functions (requires libm) (CONFIG_FEATURE_AWK_MATH) [Y/n/?] y
17:35 < rconan> ed (CONFIG_ED) [N/y/?] (NEW)
17:36 < rconan> they're the ones that werent already defined in your config
17:36 < rmh3093> hmmm
17:37 < rmh3093> maybe thats new in the svn of busybox
17:37 < rconan> none of which are hdparm related
17:40 < rconan> thinking about it i got an error trying to compile a kernel as well which may have actually been the same
17:40 < rconan> it might be my environment
17:48 < rconan> rmh3093: you still arround ?
17:51 < rconan> what's up with the cvs server
17:51 < rconan> ?
17:52 < rconan> im gettting a no route to host error
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17:57 < rconan> anyone got a checkout of the kernel CVS they could send me as the server appears to be down
17:57 < rconan> ?
17:58 < bluetape> I actually do, but I think it's missing some of the experimental kernel updates
17:58 < bluetape> most likely just the event device
17:59 < rconan> it would be better to wait and get the updates i guess
17:59 < rconan> given im compiling the experimental kernel
17:59 < bluetape> oh
17:59 < bluetape> the patches probably apply just fine
18:00 < rconan> just a sec
18:00 < rconan> could you tar it up and send it me?
18:00 < bluetape> sure, no prob
18:01 < bluetape> where to?
18:02 < rconan> email richard.connon@hotpop.com
18:04 < bluetape> sent
18:04 < rconan> bluetape: actually could you email my gmail (richard.connon@gmail.com) as hotpop seems to be down too
18:04 < rconan> sorry for the hassle
18:04 < bluetape> uh, ok
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18:05 < bluetape> sent
18:05 < rconan> cheers
18:06 < rconan> good bluetape
18:07 < bluetape> yep
18:07 < rmh3093> rconan: if you build devfsd you can get rid of all of those "symlinks" and "mknod" lines and add "devfsd -q /dev"
18:07 < rmh3093> in /etc/rc
18:07 < bluetape> got a copy since I'm porting to 2.6 right now
18:07 < rconan> kl
18:08 < rmh3093> REGISTER        .*           MKOLDCOMPAT
18:08 < rmh3093> UNREGISTER      .*           RMOLDCOMPAT
18:08 < davidc__[2]> bluetape: any luck with that IDE driver?
18:08 < rmh3093> you have to put those in /etc/devfsd.conf
18:08 < bluetape> should I be having trouble with the IDE driver?
18:08 < bluetape> I think the arch specific stuff is more worrisome right now
18:09 < bluetape> nommu for arm never got merged properly in 2.6
18:09 < rconan> rmh3093: where is devfsd in the menuconfig
18:09 < bluetape> it's a userspace app
18:09 < davidc__[2]> bluetape: the reason we stopped work on 2.6 is because of a really pesky interrupt problem /w the IDE driver
18:09 < rmh3093> misc linux apps iirc
18:09 < davidc__[2]> it wrote crap all over the drive
18:09 < davidc__[2]> randomly
18:10 < bluetape> so uh, there's more stuff than what I saw in linux2.6 in cvs?
18:10 < rmh3093> bluetape: http://opensrc.sec.samsung.com/
18:10 < bluetape> I know
18:11 < bluetape> I'm actually manually patching 2.6.17-rc4 with that stuff right now
18:12 < bluetape> davidc__[2] : so is there more recent 2.6 code?
18:12 < davidc__[2]> bluetape: nope, thats the most recent IIRC
18:12 < bluetape> ok, good
18:13 < davidc__[2]> I believe we never went farther than that - because it ate drives and was a huge PITA to debug
18:13 < bluetape> alright
18:14 < bluetape> I don't remember what I did for the ide driver compared to the one in CVS
18:14 < bluetape> since uh, I can't get on cvsweb
18:14 < bluetape> I mean
18:14 < bluetape> viewcvs
18:16 < bluetape> did it always eat drives or did it just write trash when you try to write something?
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18:19 < davidc__[2]> bluetape: always, IIRC
18:19 < davidc__[2]> just booting would do it
18:19 < bluetape> aw, fuck
18:20 < davidc__[2]> bluetape: ya, ergo why we ditched it
18:20 < davidc__[2]> though .16 might work better
18:20 < bluetape> or worse
18:20 < bluetape> I'm not even sure if I'll be able to get this to boot at all
18:20 < rmh3093> there no new interrupt knowledge... what was tempel doing with interrups with loader2?
18:20 < rmh3093> is there no...
18:20 < tempel> huh?
18:21 < tempel> did i miss something?
18:21 < davidc__[2]> rmh3093: oh, we know how they work
18:21 < davidc__[2]> its just that the kernel starts complaining about dropped interrupts
18:21 < davidc__[2]> then writes crap all over the disk
18:22 < bluetape> this is gonna be fun..
18:22 < bluetape> and I thought oppsing in an interrupt handler was bad
18:23 < rmh3093> bluetape: i've started that and started over on the 2.6 thing like 6 times now since i've started using iPL.... its gets so confusing
18:23 < bluetape> how far have you gotten?
18:23 < bluetape> I just need to finish up the nommu patch and port the fb driver before I get to boot this up and see what happens
18:24 < bluetape> everything else seems to be in place
18:24 < rmh3093> well i didnt use the linux-2.6 from cvs at all
18:24 < rmh3093> cause its old
18:24 < bluetape> I used it for some hints
18:24 < rmh3093> most of the stuff from 2.4 drops into 2.6 and compiles fine
18:25 < rmh3093> its just 2.6 looks for things in different places
18:25 < bluetape> heh, compiles
18:25 < tempel> i had "lost interrupt" problems lately with loader 2.4. was that the error msg with 2.6 linux as well, davidc__ ?
18:26 < bluetape> rmh3093, did you ever get it to the point where it trashed your disk?
18:26 < davidc__[2]> tempel: something like that
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18:26 < davidc__[2]> lost interrupt shouldn't happen :./
18:28 < tempel> i had this because an interrupt flag that was set when puitting the disk to "standby" was not cleared. this then caused the next interrupt not to get thru, hence after a timeout you'd get the "lost intr" message. I wonder if the ide driver in 2.6 got "optimized" in a way where e.g. the spurious intr from a disk standby got not handled any more
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18:28 < tempel> BleuLlama, r u around?
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18:28 < tempel> i got a loader for testing if you like :)
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18:30 < tempel> btw, there was also someone yesterday here who needed a way to back up his entire ipod drive via Windows. I've written a program that can now do this (write all blocks into a file). It's here: http://ipod.tempel.org/files/iPodFirmwareTool.exe
18:31 < bluetape> cat /dev/sdX > ipod.img
18:31 < Eamon> will that save it using linux?
18:32 < bluetape> that's the linux way
18:32 < Eamon> Linux is so sexy
18:32 < rconan> rmh3093: did you have any ideas as to where that busybox compile error came from
18:32 < courtc> use dd over cat
18:33 < bluetape> it all works the same
18:33 < Eamon> bluetape: to restore would you just type cat ipod.img > /dev/sdX?
18:33 < tempel> Eamon, good one ;)
18:33 < bluetape> yep
18:34 < tempel> what? that works?
18:34 < courtc> not really.. dd is more efficient, it doesn't require the shell to do any redirecting.
18:34 < rmh3093> just remove options untill it goes away.... or google the error, there are lots of busybox talk about errors on google
18:34 < Eamon> or dd ipod.img /dev/sdX?
18:34 < bluetape> no, you have to fiddle with blocksize with dd
18:34 < bluetape> otherwise it might not be fast enough
18:34 < Eamon> I can check block size with fdisk?
18:34 < bluetape> whereas cat generally just works fast enough
18:34 < tempel> no need to fiddle with blocksize with dd, at least not on unix
18:34 < courtc> ^--
18:35 < bluetape> last time I used dd, I had to adjust the blocksize to optimize the transfer speed
18:35 < davidc__[2]> bluetape: then your kernel sounds broken :P
18:35 < bluetape> besides, cat is so much easier to remember
18:35 < bluetape> I never use dd unless I need that level of control
18:36 < rmh3093> it always nice to know multiple ways to do something though anyway
18:36 < bluetape> yep
18:37 < tempel> careful, or i threaten you all with a linux version of that windows tool i just mentioned. it has a GUI!
18:37 < bluetape> oh no!
18:37 < rconan> there really is no need
18:38 < courtc> I'm not afraid of guis. I know what they are made of.
18:38 < rmh3093> cli beats gui anyday
18:39 < courtc> really?
18:39 < bluetape> personally, I don't think it matters
18:39  * courtc deletes podzilla(2)
18:39 < bluetape> the only thing that matters is minimizing transitions between kb and mouse
18:39 < Eamon> I like to communicate directly with the processor by rapidly flicking on an off a switch.
18:40 < bluetape> me too
18:40 < bluetape> through hypertransport
18:40 < rmh3093> smartasses
18:40 < courtc> The only thing that really matters is ease of use and enough control.
18:40 < bluetape> well, yeah..
18:40 < Eamon> ease of use - gui (no need to remember shit)
18:40 < bluetape> hahaha
18:41 < bluetape> ever use gimp?
18:41 < Eamon> Yes. 
18:41 < Eamon> It's easy to use.
18:41 < courtc> better: ever used blender?
18:41 < bluetape> touche
18:42 < Eamon> That shit is whack
18:42 < davidc__[2]> heh.,. yea.. blender
18:42 < davidc__[2]> learning curve for blender = |
18:42 < bluetape> I bought the book for it
18:42 < bluetape> and I still can't use it well
18:42 < bluetape> I use vim
18:42 < bluetape> and I still can't use blender
18:42 < Eamon> blender- Imagine doing that through command line
18:43 < davidc__[2]> can't be much hardert
18:43 < tempel> Everyone having a 1G or 2G at hand say "yo!"
18:43 < bluetape> modelling with a text editor in povray format is more intuitive
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18:43 < courtc> yo!
18:43 < tempel> Everyone having a 1G or 2G at hand that works say "yo!"
18:43 < courtc> :(
18:43 < tempel> sorry
18:43 < tempel> BleuLlama!!
18:44 < tempel> he goes his disk, btw, and has his 1G working again.
18:44 < tempel> grmpf
18:44 < courtc> I know...
18:51 < josh_> `write
18:51 < iplbot> Wrote 161 factoids and 398 karma data.
18:51 < josh_> `qquit
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18:53 < BleuLlama> tempel: if i start up iploader with the hold switch on, the lock logo is not there.  if i turn off hold, it appears, and stays on forever
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18:53  * BleuLlama was playing with it.
18:54 < tempel> hmm, so the check is inverted, obviously.
18:54 < BleuLlama> yeah.
18:54 < BleuLlama> i haven't tried anything else.  in the middle of debugging an issue with our cameras.
18:54 < tempel> strange is that the code in the kernel explicitly does it inverted on 1G and 2G compared to 3Gs
18:54  * BleuLlama afk again
18:54 < tempel> but your info suggests that 1G and 3G are the same
18:54 < tempel> ok. later then.
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18:57 < josh_> ok, made some changes to iplbot.
18:57 < josh_> the ~[voices] are now separate from the ~[admins]
18:57 < josh_> erm...
18:57 < josh_> `ping
18:57 < josh_> heh heh heh. better fix that.
18:59 < josh_> `update
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18:59 < josh_> okay, let's try that again. the ~[voices] are now separate from the ~[admins].
18:59 < iplbot> Listening to: < tempel tempi josh_ aegray courtc coob macpod leachbj davidc__ Luke veteran aegray_ BleuLlama aegray__ aegray___ slowcoder >
18:59 < iplbot> Administrators: < josh_ aegray courtc coob macpod leachbj davidc__ Luke veteran aegray_ BleuLlama aegray__ aegray___ slowcoder >
19:00 < josh_> (Yes, the former list includes the latter.)
19:00 < josh_> thus, we won't have to be quite so stingy with the bot.
19:01 < courtc> heh.
19:01 < courtc> cool.
19:02  * courtc notices that it's Tuesday.
19:02 < josh_> yep, paper's in
19:03 < courtc> awesome.
19:05 < davidc__[2]> josh_: add this acct to the admin list
19:06 < josh_> `admin davidc__[2]
19:06 < josh_> `admins
19:06 < iplbot> Administrators: < josh_ aegray courtc coob macpod leachbj davidc__ Luke veteran aegray_ BleuLlama aegray__ aegray___ slowcoder davidc__[2] >
19:06 < davidc__[2]> thanks
19:06 < josh_> n/p
19:07 < josh_> fyi, the admin-only funcs are: admin, unadmin, kick, op, mode, quit, update, join, part, nick
19:07 < josh_> everything else can be used equally by `voices and `admins
19:08 < davidc__[2]> ah
19:08 < davidc__[2]> op?
19:08 < davidc__[2]> iplbot has power to do that these days?
19:08 < josh_> if it's opped
19:08 < josh_> like in -dev
19:08 < davidc__[2]> ah
19:09 < josh_> `update
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19:15 < iplbot> Listening to: < tempel tempi hyarion rmh3093 josh_ aegray courtc coob macpod leachbj davidc__ Luke veteran aegray_ BleuLlama aegray__ aegray___ slowcoder davidc__[2] >
19:19 < tempel> `todos for tempel
19:19 < iplbot> Your issues: (#10) Use "`write" after changing todos, (#14) see wiki: To Do, (#18) Fix josh's installer for Big Endian machines, (#27) Build kernel with 1394 support and test ip-over-firewire
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19:19 < tempel> `todone 27
19:19 < iplbot> 1 todos killed off.
19:20 < tempel> `todone 18
19:20 < iplbot> 1 todos killed off.
19:33 < Eamon> `todos for tempel
19:33 < Eamon> just testing
19:34 < courtc> `todo courtc 15 hd line & ellipse clipping
19:34 < iplbot> 54. @15 <courtc> hd line & ellipse clipping
19:35 < courtc> `todo courtc 13 HD_FillPoly
19:35 < iplbot> 55. @13 <courtc> HD_FillPoly
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19:42 < Eamon> josh_ : the little menu icons in pz2 cycle through icon0 icon1 icon2 icon3 then dissappear off the screen for a frame. Is there a switch one can put in the .cs file to stop this from happening? Ie to be able to have an image there without it blinking?
19:45 < Eamon> or anyone else who knows the answer
19:46 < josh_> Eamon: the switch is called "wait for josh to commit the fix to svn"
19:46 < bluetape> hm
19:46 < bluetape> dd definitely needs tuning for maximum speed
19:48 < bluetape> cat text > /dev/null  0.01s user 0.31s system 99% cpu 0.321 total
19:48 < bluetape> dd if=text of=/dev/null  0.12s user 1.06s system 99% cpu 1.183 total
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19:49 < bluetape> text is a 512MB file from /dev/zero
19:49 < bluetape> dd if=text of=/dev/null bs=2048  0.02s user 0.42s system 99% cpu 0.440 total
19:50 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/ttk/src/menu.c: Display the icon0, iff the color scheme has a property for it. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1246)
19:50 < josh_> Eamon: v
19:50 < josh_> er ^
19:51 < josh_> Eamon: see if that works
19:51 < Eamon> Ok
19:52 < courtc> You don't want flashing arrows?!? Blasphemy!
19:53 < Eamon> I can put in a blank image if I do. It's all about options.
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19:53 < BleuLlama> what point is there to having PodZilla on your ipod if you don't have flashing arrows?
19:54 < courtc> damn right. you might as well use the apple firmware.
19:54 < BleuLlama> or rockbox
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19:55 < Eamon> sorry man I can't compile that I dont have the toolchain installed. (call me a newbie, I am)
19:55 < Eamon> josh_ ^
19:55 < courtc> I have a solution.
19:56 < courtc> Download the toolchain.
19:56 < BleuLlama> i have a precipitate
19:56 < bluetape> davidc__[2] : so no, my kernel is not broken
19:56 < Eamon> I dont have time. I realy need to study for my leaving cert
19:56 < davidc__[2]> bluetape: bah, whatever ;)
19:56 < courtc> bluetape: omg stfu already. get on topic.
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19:58 < bluetape> right.
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20:03 < rmh3093> bluetape: did i miss something, does your 2.6 kernel boot
20:05 < bluetape> not yet
20:05 < bluetape> I've given up on 2.6.16
20:05 < bluetape> going back to 2.6.14
20:05 < bluetape> when I finally get it compiled, I'm gonna config it without ide support
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20:06 < bluetape> I rather have it opps first than kill the drive
20:06 < rmh3093> dont even port the ide driver
20:06 < rmh3093> just get the arch and fb right now
20:06 < bluetape> yeah, that's what I'm focusing on
20:07 < Eamon> bluetape: good man. kernel 2.6 will kick ass (usb, no more restarting for disk mode yay)
20:07 < courtc> I don't know where the rumor that it destroys your hard drive comes from. It just thrashes the filesystems on it.
20:07 < bluetape> not necessarily
20:07 < bluetape> haha
20:07 < bluetape> if there was a threat of destroying the hardware itself, I wouldn't risk porting it
20:08 < courtc> Yea, people seem to think that it actually breaks your hard drive.
20:08 < bluetape> wow
20:09 < Eamon> out of curiosity how could using any software physically damage your hard drive? 
20:10 < bluetape> it's probably harder on modern drives
20:10 < bluetape> since you don't have to do low level formats anymore
20:10 < courtc> It's possible, there used to be programs that could play music by the rotation of your hard drive.
20:10 < bluetape> and on flash, if you write enough, I guess it can be damaged
20:11 < courtc> There are a few bits of code out that are designed to destroy hard drives.
20:12 < BleuLlama> there's always the possibility that it wipes the flash rom
20:12 < BleuLlama> i believe that it will destroy your hard drive as well.
20:12 < BleuLlama> 2.6 is the spawn of the devil
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20:12 < BleuLlama> i refuse to ever put it on my ipods
20:13 < BleuLlama> or at least until the port is done
20:13 < bluetape> heh
20:13 < BleuLlama> ;)
20:14 < bluetape> I really hope the fb api hasn't changed that much between 2.4 and 2.6
20:15 < BleuLlama> tempel: another oddity, when hold is on, the wheel works, but the button does not.  the wheel always works
20:15 < tempel> BleuLlama, did you get my query and the test version?
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20:26 < rmh3093> BleuLlama: your fear is irrational
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20:32 < dwayniac> Hello, I realise it is unsupported, but I just put ipodlinux on a nano and I would like to play flac audio files and mp4 video files - anyone know if there is a way at the moment?
20:33 < davidc__[2]> mp4 = haha, hilarious
20:33 < davidc__[2]> flac = should work with MPD
20:33 < rconan> but getting mpd to work is near impossible unless its just me
20:34 < dwayniac> is the notion of playing any type of video 'hilarious'?
20:35 < dwayniac> hrm is mpd better than rockbox
20:35 < davidc__[2]> dwayniac: compressed video is ;)
20:36 < dwayniac> ah ok
20:36 < dwayniac> so uncompressed... can i do that
20:36 < davidc__[2]> ya, read the wiki
20:36 < davidc__[2]> doesn't work with pz2 though, afaik
20:36 < dwayniac> ahhh thats why then
20:36 < dwayniac> ill have to check that out later 
20:37 < rmh3093> rconan: cut down your mp3 list and all modules except mpdc & sleep and it should work
20:38 < rconan> my mp3 list is one mp3 lol
20:38 < rconan> for testing purposes
20:38 < rmh3093> rconan: well get rid of your extra modules
20:38 < rmh3093> and
20:38 < rconan> am going to now
20:38 < rmh3093> start mpd via the rc file dont use the "mpd" module
20:38 < courtc> geez, it works fine for me.
20:39 < rmh3093> courtc: you are special :)
20:39 < rconan> am doing
20:39 < courtc> The mpd module is so much easier.
20:39 < rmh3093> i've never got that to work
20:39 < rmh3093> EVER
20:39 < rconan> i have to install ipl first
20:39 < courtc> mpd has almost never not worked for me.
20:39 < rmh3093> courtc: on a 5g?
20:40 < courtc> no, on a 1g, mini and nano
20:40 < rmh3093> 5g's got serious issues
20:41 < rconan> im on a 3g which should be relatively well behaved
20:41 < rmh3093> the audio bug on the 5g is annoying as hell
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20:46 < rconan> what exactly does the hdparm command in the rc file do?
20:46 < rmh3093> `todo rmh3093 2 Fix the bug relating to the pcm volume on 5g's
20:46 < iplbot> 57. @2 <rmh3093> Fix the bug relating to the pcm volume on 5g's
20:46 < BleuLlama> tempel: check your private messages
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20:46 < BleuLlama> rmh3093: my fear is a joke.  
20:49 < courtc> rconan: sets the hd to sleep after N 5sec periods.
20:50 < rconan> ok
20:50 < rconan> cheers
20:54 < rconan> i wasnt aware the installer could install loader2 to a 3G
20:55 < rconan> it appears it can
20:57 < bluetape> ?
20:57 < bluetape> I just shot a white bubble in ipobble..
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21:13 < tempel> ha, now i know again why i had this special HOLD test in loader which does not work on 1Gs...
21:14 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/installer/ (6 files): Many bugfixes, most having to do with the saving/loading of package lists. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1247)
21:14 < josh_> ^ I declare rev 1247 as version 2.2b2. Windows builds coming soon.
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21:43 < tempel> ok, this should be the final test for 2.4: Version b9: http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2_Testing
21:43 < tempel> BleuLlama, please test your 1G
21:43 < tempel> did i miss any significant models? please add
21:44 < tempel> (1G and 2G are probably the same)
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21:45 < BleuLlama> will do
21:45 < BleuLlama> man, i am gassy today
21:45 < scriptx> Yum
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21:49 < BleuLlama> looks great, tempel!
21:49 < tempel> woohoo
21:50 < BleuLlama> hrm.
21:50 < BleuLlama> an option to set the header text would be nifty
21:50 < BleuLlama> header_text = Bleu's iPod
21:50 < BleuLlama> i can always put that in later though. :)
21:51  * BleuLlama tests nano
21:52 < bluetape> jeez..
21:52 < bluetape> I finally got it compiled
21:52 < bluetape> arch side should be fine for now
21:52 < bluetape> time to get fb ported
21:53 < Eamon> need testers?
21:53 < bluetape> I have to make sure this doesn't annihilate my nano first
21:55 < BleuLlama> tempel: looks good! :D
21:55 < tempel> what, did you change the title?
21:55 < Eamon> bluetape: Oki doki.  I'll test on my 5g 30gb when needed
21:55 < bluetape> cool
21:55 < BleuLlama> no, tested nano.
21:56 < BleuLlama> 1g and nano work flawlessly.
21:56 < BleuLlama> good job, tempel!
21:56 < Eamon> no he said an option to change it would be nice
21:56 < BleuLlama> i'd test my 4g, but 1) i'm using it to play the music i'm listening to right now, and 2) it's a pita. ;)
21:56 < tempel> neat. good. let's hope no one finds anything else :)
21:56 < BleuLlama> if no one tests it tonight, i'll do it then
22:08 < BleuLlama> or maybe i'll just do it right now anyway
22:10 < BleuLlama> done.
22:10 < BleuLlama> hehe
22:10 < tempel> thanks!
22:10 < BleuLlama> no prob
22:10 < BleuLlama> that's about all i can test
22:10 < BleuLlama> (without stealing the wife's nano)
22:10 < BleuLlama> er mini
22:13  * BleuLlama afk
22:13 < tempel> wow, "running scared" was tense. going to bed now. wonder how i'll find sleep though :)
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22:26 < rmh3093> bluetape: keep me uptodate with your 2.6 status
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23:30 < bluetape> did fb ever get ported to 2.6?
23:31 < bluetape> I should've pulled a copy before sf.net went down
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