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00:33 < ShadowBlaze> Has anyone ever tried the ipodpatcher method from Rockbox?
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00:51 < BHSPitLappy> bholland: what's up
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01:00 < Ranieri> please, help me, i fucked my ipod
01:01 < Ranieri> I finished install ipodlinux on my windows xp, and my ipod is locked in a screen with a black track
01:01 < Ranieri> what I reboot my ipod ?
01:02 < Ranieri> algum brasileiro aqui ?
01:06 < BHSPitLappy> black track?
01:07 < BHSPitLappy> lo siento, solo ingles aqui.
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01:08 < ShadowBlaze> Out of curiosity, does anyone here have a viable solution to the color errors (which occur when viewing photos and the cube demo) on pz0?
01:09 < BHSPitLappy> umm, which ipod do you have
01:09 < ShadowBlaze> photo
01:09 < Ranieri> mini 6gb
01:09 < BHSPitLappy> ShadowBlaze: how recent is your kernel and pz0?
01:09 < BHSPitLappy> s/is/are/
01:09 < ShadowBlaze> Nightlies.
01:09 < BHSPitLappy> hmm
01:09 < Ranieri> for reboot i need hold menu and select button
01:09 < BHSPitLappy> seems logical to assume there isn't a fix yet.
01:09 < Ranieri> work
01:10 < Ranieri> but, no one system boot
01:10 < Ranieri> no apple, no ipodlinux
01:10 < ShadowBlaze> I suppose so. Just a little curious.
01:10 < BHSPitLappy> Ranieri: I don't really understand what's happening...
01:10 < ShadowBlaze> I'll try updating to the experimental kernel and see if that works.
01:10 < BHSPitLappy> unlikely.
01:10 < ShadowBlaze> If I have loader 2 installed, all I have to do is replace kernel.bin and it should be fine right?
01:11 < Ranieri> bholland I want install ipodlinux
01:12 < BHSPitLappy> you're bholland's friend?
01:12 < Ranieri> no, sorry, that's message is for you
01:12 < BHSPitLappy> oh
01:13 < BHSPitLappy> Ranieri: did you mess it up?
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01:45 < djpirate> HELP MY NANO IS BROKE
01:45 < BHSPitLappy> NO IT ISN'T, STOP USING CAPS.
01:46 < djpirate> shit you're right
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01:47 < BHSPitLappy> thanks for the unnecessary language, way to top off the caps/obnoxiousness.
01:47 < djpirate> sure thing, faggot
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01:50 < flynux_> there's only 2 ways to break a nano, drop it from the 5th floor, or reboot it while it's flashing a new apple firmware from the apple installer...
01:50 < BHSPitLappy> oh, nice.
01:51  * BHSPitLappy ignores everybody.
01:51 < djpirate> I don't got time to fuck around.
01:51 < josh_> watch it...
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01:58 < djpirate> I bet hhehw_ hacked vgmix
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02:01 < djpirate> shut up don't talk.
02:01 < BleuLlama> djpirate: contribute postitvely or go away
02:01 < djpirate> no u
02:02 < BleuLlama> `spelling
02:02 < iplbot> spelling is If I see you doing any of those horrible txting abbreviations like 'u' for "you" and 'r' for "are" again, I'm going to punch you.  Hard.  Consider this to be your only warning.  [from BleuLlama]
02:02 < josh_> djpirate: and I would recommend treating the people with @s in front of their names with a bit more respect. we've been here way longer than you have, and we actually *have* "contributed positively".
02:02 < djpirate> no u
02:03 < BleuLlama> yay. troll.
02:03 < josh_> your childish retorts aren't helping, you know
02:04  * BHSPitLappy sits back and sips on some lemonade.
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03:05 < gumby_> veteran, you there?
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03:15 < BHSPitLappy> haha
03:15 < BHSPitLappy> that dude got k-lined
03:15 < BHSPitLappy> awesome
03:15 < davidc___> yup. djpirate = prot = known troll
03:15 < davidc___> he's always gettin klined
03:15 < FruitwOOt> who's messing with a troll ?
03:15 < BHSPitLappy> sounds familiar
03:17 < BleuLlama> oh. that was prot?
03:17 < gumby_> hey, can anyone help test my module?
03:18 < BleuLlama> i don't understand that mentality
03:18 < FruitwOOt> *  gnome-base/gdm
03:18 < FruitwOOt>       Latest version available: 2.8.0.7-r1
03:18 < FruitwOOt>       Latest version installed: 2.8.0.7-r1
03:19 < FruitwOOt> oops
03:19 < FruitwOOt> bad channel
03:20 < gumby_> any takers? i'd like to know if the binary will install on someone else's system: http://ipodlinux.org/Special:Module/invaders
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03:25 < BleuLlama> i'd test, but i'm a little busy right now
03:26 < gumby_> aright, well please holler if you get a chance... the online compiler is still going beserk
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03:40 < ShadowBlaze> Why is it that I can't create folders/files under the linux partition of my ipod anymore?
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03:40 < ShadowBlaze> According to SLAX, it's only using 16 mb...
03:41 < BHSPitLappy> umm, I don't know.
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03:42 < ShadowBlaze> What's the max amount of files it can hold on the linux partition?
03:43 < BHSPitLappy> as much as you allocated for the partition when you made it...
03:43 < ShadowBlaze> the default?
03:43 < josh_> ShadowBlaze: try df -i, it'll tell you how many inodes you have left
03:43 < josh_> the default is more than enough, unless you have tons of small files.
03:43 < ShadowBlaze> SLAX tells me it's using 16 mb
03:50 < ShadowBlaze> This is extremely annoying. SLAX won't let me add folders/files, but it will add to the FAT32 partition just fine. LTools lets me add, but the folders/files that was added don't show up when I try to find it in file browser. start files won't create/copy either. x.x
03:51 < josh_> check your inodes. df -i.
03:51 < ShadowBlaze> How do I do that?
03:51 < josh_> open a command prompt, type df -i, press enter
03:52 < ShadowBlaze> Okay. Give me a second, I'm waiting for MPD to load.
03:52 < josh_> from a command prompt in SLAX, I mean... though I guess on the iPod would work too.
03:53 < BHSPitLappy> lol
03:53 < ShadowBlaze> i'll mount it to slax in a sec, once mpd stops updating db.
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03:57 < rmh3093> can the linux userland run on ntfs?
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03:57 < gumby_> doesn't it need unix-y permission support?
03:58 < rmh3093> im dont know what it requires
03:58 < BHSPitLappy> don't think so, and if it can, it's something ugly.
03:58 < BHSPitLappy> but definitely not on the iPod
03:58 < rmh3093> why definately not on the ipod
03:59 < rmh3093> if ntfs works then the ipod would work
04:00 < ShadowBlaze> df -i doesn't even detect the sdaX's
04:01 < BHSPitLappy> rmh3093: try it. I don't care.
04:01 < BHSPitLappy> I didn't say it could never be possible, I meant it wouldn't work right now.
04:02 < BleuLlama> i'm saing it can never be possible
04:02 < BleuLlama> EVER
04:02 < BleuLlama> now..
04:02 < BleuLlama> go and prove me wrong
04:03 < rmh3093> :)
04:03 < ShadowBlaze> josh_: actually it detected for the linux partition, it says 8032 inodes, 792 IUsed, 7240 IFree, 10% IUse
04:03 < BHSPitLappy> lol
04:03 < josh_> you've got plenty of inodes
04:03 < josh_> no idea what it would be
04:04 < BHSPitLappy> and I say a neat music composer module would be impossible!
04:04 < BHSPitLappy> now prove ME wrong@
04:04 < BHSPitLappy> s/@/!/
04:04 < ShadowBlaze> when i try mkdir libstdcxx it says read-only file system
04:05 < ShadowBlaze> josh_: how do i make it a non read-only file system? if that's the problem...i'm not familiar with linux.
04:06 < josh_> aha
04:06 < josh_> run it through e2fsck after unmounting it
04:06 < ShadowBlaze> x.x noob language please?
04:07 < josh_> unmount your iPod, then run
04:08 < josh_> e2fsck -f /dev/sda3
04:08 < ShadowBlaze> Alright, will try that now. Hopefully it works. *Crosses fingers*
04:10 < ShadowBlaze> It says "No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda3"?
04:10 < josh_> try sdb3
04:10 < josh_> instead of sda3
04:11 < ShadowBlaze> Same.
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04:13 < ShadowBlaze> Now what?
04:14 < rmh3093> ShadowBlaze: do you have udev running?
04:14 < ShadowBlaze> I have no idea what that is.
04:14 < rmh3093> what distro?
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04:14 < ShadowBlaze> SLAX KillBill
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04:15 < rmh3093> see if there is anyprogram called udev
04:15 < rmh3093> or udev*
04:16 < rmh3093> you probably have udev or devfsd
04:16 < rmh3093> but devfsd is old
04:16 < ShadowBlaze> Not that I can see. How would I find it?
04:16 < rmh3093> from root
04:16 < rmh3093> you should be able to type udev
04:17 < rmh3093> udevinfo
04:17 < rmh3093> use tab completion
04:17 < rmh3093> see if anything shows up
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04:17 < ShadowBlaze> I typed "udevinfo" and a help thing showed up.
04:18 < rmh3093> thats too bad
04:18 < ShadowBlaze> No I meant a help thing for udev showed up.
04:18 < rmh3093> oh nice
04:18 < ShadowBlaze> Should I turn it off? If so how?
04:18 < rmh3093> NO
04:19 < rmh3093> do you have a dir /etc/udev/rules.d
04:20 < ShadowBlaze> Yes I do.
04:20 < rmh3093> make a new file in that dir called 00-ipod.rules
04:21 < rmh3093> BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="iPod*", KERNEL="sd?", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="ipod"
04:21 < rmh3093> BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="iPod*", KERNEL="sd?1", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="ipod_fw"
04:21 < rmh3093> BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="iPod*", KERNEL="sd?2", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="ipod_apple"
04:21 < rmh3093> BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="iPod*", KERNEL="sd?3", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="ipod_ipl"
04:21 < rmh3093> put that in it
04:21 < rmh3093> then next time you plug your ipod in
04:21 < rmh3093> you can always find them at /dev/ipod_*
04:22 < ShadowBlaze> And this will fix the file system error?
04:22 < josh_> no, it'll just let you find your iPod ;-)
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04:23 < ShadowBlaze> But I can find my ipod. I just can't add anything to it.
04:24 < rmh3093> [00:07:59] <ShadowBlaze> It says "No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda3"?
04:24 < rmh3093> that one?
04:24 < ShadowBlaze> Ooh. And then run e2fsck?
04:24 < rmh3093> yeah
04:24 < BleuLlama> this is all on your ipod?
04:24 < rmh3093> no
04:25 < rmh3093> this is on his computer
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04:25 < BleuLlama> am i in the wrong channel?  cause i thought this channel was about running linux on your ipod, not running linux on your pc
04:25  * BleuLlama looks around
04:25  * BleuLlama being a dick for no good reason
04:25 < rmh3093> its a trick for working with your ipod in linux
04:26 < rmh3093> cause when you unplug the ipod in linux
04:26 < rmh3093> without ejecting first
04:26 < rmh3093> next time you mount its on a new letter
04:26 < rmh3093> so first time is was sda, next time sdb, next time sbc
04:26 < BleuLlama> still, this is using your ipod with linux.  not linux on the ipod
04:26 < rmh3093> and thats annoying
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04:28 < ShadowBlaze> Alright, I added the file. Am I supposed to do this e2fsck thing while my ipod is mounted or unmounted?
04:28 < rmh3093> unmounted
04:28 < ShadowBlaze> So you want me to mount it, find the directory, and then unmount and run e2fsck?
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04:28 < BleuLlama> guys, take it to #ipodwithlinux
04:29 < BleuLlama> or something else
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04:32 < ShadowBlaze> X.x it's still giving me the directory not found error.
04:33 < ShadowBlaze> I did notice that I have sdaX_removable under /mnt though.
04:33 < ShadowBlaze> Does that help any?
04:34 < ShadowBlaze> I tried e2fsck -f /mng/sda3_removable and it said that it was a directory but the superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem.
04:34 < BleuLlama> what part of "off topic" do you not understand?
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05:49 < ShadowBlaze> Anyone know how to do the symlink that makes /hp the windows directory?
05:49 < ShadowBlaze> Installer2 didn't put them on my ipod.
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06:44 < ShadowBlaze> Ugh. Installer 2 didn't add in the symlinks or something. Now ipodlinux doesn't detect /hp. How do I fix this? /hp/start doesn't even work although rc points to it before running podzilla.
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07:38 < bholland> does the _HD_ARM_UpdatePhoto function work?
07:38 < bholland> (in hotdog)
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08:15 < HotChilli> Hi My name is Brooke
08:16 < HotChilli> does anyone know how to switch between the normal ipod operating system and the ipod linux system on the ipod
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09:50 < ShadowBlaze> Does  anyone know how to link the /hp folder with the fat32 folder under win32?
10:04 < tempi> which hp folder?? never seen one
10:05 < ShadowBlaze> its supposed to be there for winpods
10:05 < tempi> hmm. i never needed one, and installer2 does not create one. what is it good for?
10:05 < ShadowBlaze> /hp becomes the root directory since windows can't see linux partition
10:06 < tempi> so, is /hp on the ext2 partition then?
10:06 < ShadowBlaze> it should be?
10:06 < tempi> you ask me?
10:06 < ShadowBlaze> well all the files under /hp are on the fat32 partition.
10:06 < tempi> ah, but then it's not the root, right?
10:06 < ShadowBlaze> /hp is just a symlink i think
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10:07 < tempi> aha. to something like /mnt/hda2  (where hda2 would be the fat part)
10:07 < ShadowBlaze> yes
10:07 < ShadowBlaze> how do i bring that back?
10:08 < tempi> have you check the page "accessing_ext" on the wiki yet?
10:08 < tempi> "accessing_ext2"
10:08 < ShadowBlaze> yes i've read it, but i don't see its relevance.
10:09 < tempi> you want to add a hp symlink, so that should be relevant
10:12 < ShadowBlaze> http://ipodlinux.org/Difference_Between_/_and_/hp/
10:17 < ShadowBlaze> the accessing_ext2 page has nothing on this
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14:55 < SereR0KR> how can I install TTK on my iPod?
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18:10 < NsN> In plain ipl should I use the Open Sound System to output audio, or should i use anything else?
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18:31 < NsN> Does anyone know the following error: When I start pz2 there are some errors, usually i click ok, and pz2 continues loading, but sometimes it will just stop. It displays a white screen with "TTK" written at the top of the screen...
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18:32 < rconan> just a quick one...
18:32 < rconan> will loader2 install to a 3g with the installer?
18:32 < NsN> I suspect, that this is either a ram issue or an audio issue.
18:33 < BleuLlama> rconan: http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2_Testing  the beta will, but you'll have to install it manually
18:33 < rconan> kl
18:33 < rconan> cheers
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18:35 < rconan> is loader 2 beta the one that's in the SVN
18:35 < rconan> ?
18:36 < BleuLlama> no. it's the one on the page i just gave you the url to.
18:43 < rconan> yay that works
18:43 < rconan> my ipod isnt in the table, should i add it?
18:44 < BleuLlama> you said you have a 3g
18:46 < rconan> 3g winpod not macpod
18:46 < rconan> macpod is listed
18:47 < rconan> or have i misinterpreted
18:47 < rconan> and probably sound stupid
18:54 < BleuLlama> oh, then go for it, sure
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18:54 < BleuLlama> although
18:54 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/vortex/ (levels.c vortex.c): Precompute everything we possibly can.  (The tubes were flipped vertically, so on load, all y values were inverted vertically.  the new tables have this pre-done to reduce initialization time.) (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1215)
18:54 < BleuLlama> i tlooks like there's already  3g winpod in that table
18:54 < BleuLlama> oh, that's you. nevermind
18:55 < rconan> some of the confirmation images are incredibly hard to read
18:55 < BleuLlama> and you should remove the n/a from rockbox, and check lock, to fill it out
18:55 < rconan> it took me three attempts to get it right
18:55 < BleuLlama> confirmation images?
18:55 < rconan> the write the text from this image bit
18:56 < BleuLlama> i still don't understand what you're saying
18:56 < NsN> I think he means the captcha's (Or however you spell that...)
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18:56 < BleuLlama> you're not making it any clearer
18:57 < NsN> The bot protection images
18:57 < rconan> yeah
18:57 < NsN> Write here what you see in the image below to verify you are not a bot...
18:57 < BleuLlama> the bot has images?
18:57 < BleuLlama> oh.
18:57 < BleuLlama> OH
18:57 < BleuLlama> yes. i completely agree
18:58 < BleuLlama> i often can't read them... and i'm not a bot
18:58 < xopha12> i cant ever read them, i have a text browser
18:58 < BleuLlama> bummer
18:59 < rconan> it might result of my slight colourblindness
18:59 < rconan> anyway i gotta go
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20:05 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/installer/packages.cc: Fixed a spurious error. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1216)
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20:51 < thoand> hello
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20:52 < xopha12> thoand, are you here with a purpose?
20:53 < BleuLlama> xopha12: are you?
20:54 < xopha12> not really, lol
20:54 < xopha12> just here to help
20:58 < ankit_> im trying to make a desktop build of pz2... and im getting errors
20:59 < ankit_> make[1]:flex: Command not found
20:59 < ankit_> what am i doing wrong?
20:59 < thoand> xopha12: not really
20:59 < thoand> just nice in here
21:00 < xopha12> lolz
21:00 < thoand> I tested the new installer on my 5g and thougt of reading it in here, when there is something new
21:01 < xopha12> is the official installer complete then?
21:02 < thoand> it is in development, but no more alpha, AFAIK
21:02 < thoand> but does not really work well on my athlon xp (crashes)
21:02 < xopha12> ankit_: your system is looking for an executable named flex that isnt on your system, im not sure what flex is tho
21:02 < xopha12> thoand: i prefer building everything from cvs, then i know its the latest stuff
21:03 < ankit_> xopha12: lol... i figured
21:03 < xopha12> thoand: and i dont have windows coz its rubbish and smells funny
21:03 < xopha12> ankit_: try googling flex
21:03 < thoand> I use gentoo, so I could even use the ebuild
21:03 < xopha12> ankit_: see if you can install it
21:03 < thoand> and I got the installer from the svn
21:04 < xopha12> thoand: i use ubuntu coz thats all i could install on my laptop which lacks anything but a floppy drive
21:04 < thoand> my manual install before worked well, but I am interested in new stuff, so I tested the installer
21:04 < xopha12> thoand: coolness :)
21:04 < thoand> ubuntu is a good choice too
21:05 < xopha12> i just recently upgraded my 2gb nano to a 60gb video so i need to work out how to install it on that
21:05 < xopha12> i upgraded primarily to play space invaders on a larger screen
21:06 < ankit_> xopha12: yes... flex is a package
21:06 < thoand> not really?
21:06 < xopha12> ankit_: install it then
21:06 < ankit_> i did
21:06 < xopha12> thoand: yep
21:06 < ankit_> im trying it out now
21:06 < xopha12> ankit_: cool
21:07 < thoand> but the 30g model would have been better then
21:07 < thoand> (lower price)
21:07 < thoand> but 60g is great ofcourse ;)
21:07 < xopha12> thoand: i got the upgrade free coz i swapped ipods with someone :p
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21:08 < xopha12> thoand: and it still has all their moosic :)
21:08 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/installer/ (packages.cc packages.h): Add a PackageEditDialog; probably will be brought up when double-clicking a package. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1217)
21:08 < thoand> heh, I am ready to swap my 30gb ipod (5g) :D
21:09 < xopha12> thoand: lolz, but no
21:10 < xopha12> neways, im off now, hope your problem is solved ankit_
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21:12 < ankit_> make......... and it works!
21:12 < ankit_> awesome!
21:14 < ankit_> wait... why is there a bunch of crap at the top of the screen on the desktop build... like static?
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21:17 < BleuLlama> 1/(hi macpod!)
21:18 < NsN> ankit_: I guess that is the "decoration" or something like that, it is something like a theme for the top of the screen
21:22 < iPL-SVN> courtc * tools/ttk/schemes/skywards.cs: migrated gradient to new format (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1218)
21:23 < ankit_> NsN: yep... nice guess... on my ipod there was no animated decoration by default so i didnt think that was it... thanks
21:29 < ankit_> is there a simpler  "Hello World" then mymodule? something which... just writes hello world?
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22:02 < tempi> BleuLlama, _you_ told him to remove the n/a? It was perfectly right at that place because there is no Rockbox for 3Gs
22:03 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/core/pz.c: Updated the command line arguments to match "make_fw"  ie,  instead of -photo , use -g photo  ./podzilla -h  will list off all of the recognized configurations. (the old one still work, but a warning is printed out.) (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1219)
22:03 < BleuLlama> oh. i thought there was Rockbox for 3g
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22:04 < tempi> haha. no, i wished.
22:04  * BleuLlama changed podzilla command line parsing to be consistent with make_fw
22:05 < tempi> neat. now, if someone would update make_fw to make it consistent with its usage output... ;)
22:05 < BleuLlama> heh.  not my turf.
22:05 < tempi> courtc, you around?
22:05 < courtc> yup
22:07 < jedix> good.
22:07 < courtc> oh, um.. what's not consistent?
22:07 < tempi> did you see my note a few days ago about the discrepancy with inputattach?
22:07 < courtc> no
22:08 < tempi> i.e. that the usage shows two ipod related options: "-ipod" and "-ipod3", but the source is missing the 2nd
22:08 < tempi> meaning that the source does not match the userland. i thought you could perhaps clear that up?
22:09 < BleuLlama> i don't see that on mine
22:09 < BleuLlama> i wonder what version of make_fw i have. hrm
22:09 < courtc> I think the source *may* be more up to date.
22:09 < courtc> I'll verify.
22:09 < tempi> i talk about inputattach
22:10 < BleuLlama> oh
22:10 < BleuLlama> nevermind then
22:10 < tempi> :)
22:10 < tempi> yeah, there was also something with make_fw, but that's insignificant
22:10 < tempi> i actually would have a little update for it, with a new option
22:13 < tempi> oh, and courtc, the usage has a spelling error in it: it says that the tool is called "inputttach"
22:14 < tempi> hmm, and i faintly remember that there was another tool with another of such spelling errors in the usage - or is that just a deja vu?
22:19 < tempi> naptime...
22:19  * tempi out
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22:26 < thoand> is someone intersted in the error output of installer2 under linux, when I try to fill my 5g model?
22:27 < Noic3> What iPod do you have?
22:28 < thoand> 5th generation ipod video (30gb)
22:28 < Noic3> Ok :P (Lycky bastard :E) 
22:28 < NsN> I'm using open sound system to output audio, but as far as i know there is no /dev/mixer in ipl. Is there any other way to adjust the volume of the output? (Besides just altering the samples by hand)
22:29 < Noic3> Hey! Ever heard of anyone hwo got videos working on their iPod Photo? 
22:31 < thoand> I think I read this in the forum, or was it the nano?
22:31 < NsN> what kind of videos? Compressed or uncompressed?
22:31 < Noic3> it should work on a nano to
22:31 < Noic3> not compressed i think
22:32 < NsN> Uncompressed should work on every kind
22:32 < Noic3> however you hace to convert them
22:32 < Noic3> have*
22:32 < Noic3> I got it working on my Photo
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22:33 < Noic3> But Linux kept draining all my battery away.. what am i supposed to do? I want to use podzilla :E
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22:36 < joecool|laptop> Noic3: buy a fuel cell for your ipod
22:38 < Noic3> But isn't Podzilla supposed to shut off or sleep when you press "turn off iPod"? Mine just keeps reboothing :Q
22:40 < thoand> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/84vTDp26.html <-- has anyone an idea, what happens there?
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22:50 < Noic3> -_-
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23:19 < mzuverink> I want to do a fresh install on my machine which holds all 38 gigs of my music.  Can I sync back my music from the ipod after I fresh install.  I am using Ubuntu Dapper, my pod is a 60 gig 5th generation.  (I just bought it today and did not know where to turn for the answer to this question)
23:29 < BHSPitMonkey_> ... say what?
23:29 < gumby_> mzuverink: iPodLinux is about making the ipod _run_ linux as its software.  to use the ipod with a linux computer, try GTKPod.
23:29 < BHSPitMonkey_> you bought an iPod today, and already it has 38GB of music?
23:30 < mzuverink> BHSPitMonkey_: yeah, synced it all over
23:30 < BHSPitMonkey_> well... the iPod acts the same after you install linux
23:31 < BHSPitMonkey_> but to install linux, you have to change some partitioning... which can either A) Delete all your music, or B) leave it all intact, depending on how you use it :)
23:31 < BHSPitMonkey_> s/use/do/
23:31 < mzuverink> gumby_: thanks, actually I figured out I can use it as a drive and then when my fresh install is done I can just copy it back over
23:31 < BHSPitMonkey_> you can use gparted or something in linux to resize the ipod's music partition
23:32 < gumby_> mzuverink: just what i was thinking
23:32 < BHSPitMonkey_> mzuverink: so you intend to install iPodLinux or not?
23:32 < mzuverink> BHSPitMonkey_: I am not ready to screw with it like that yet, but def soon\
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23:32 < BHSPitMonkey> k..
23:33 < gumby_> i think he means he intends to wipe his computer's hard drive, along with the music on it
23:33 < mzuverink> gumby_: exactly
23:33 < mzuverink> I am using Mandriva and I am switching to Slackware
23:34 < gumby_> "ipod + linux" has more than one meaning... we just try to make it immediately apparent which one it is
23:35 < mzuverink> gumby_: I definately like the idea of linux running of the pod, I just read an article in Linux Journal about it
23:35 < mzuverink> It was about yellow dog linux, a howto
23:37 < gumby_> we're getting some good press... this project has been around since 2003 i think
23:37 < mzuverink> Thanks all, sorry about the wrong channel off topic conversation
23:37 < gumby_> now that there's an ipod "platform" people are starting to write awesome software for the ipod
23:37 < gumby_> np.  it's quiet in here today
23:37 < mzuverink> I run linux on my daughters xbox, it runs quite nicely
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23:42 < gumby_> wiki "disambiguation page", eat your heart out 
23:44 < flynux_> i suppose PP5020 doc is NDA as well as their FDK ?
23:45 < gumby_> yep... i've considered posing as a customer just to get hold of the docs
23:45 < gumby_> but then they'd sue me big time once the docs appeared in iPL
23:46 < flynux_> lol
23:46 < gumby_> have you ever heard of "clean room" engineering?
23:47 < gumby_> *reverse eng
23:47 < flynux_> don't know if you can derivate opensource drivers from an NDA but i don't think so
23:47 < flynux_> er no
23:47 < gumby_> have you heard the story of Compaq and the IBM Bios?
23:48 < flynux_> no
23:48 < gumby_> well, go google that, but in brief...
23:48 < gumby_> the only "legal" way to reverse engineer something, that has held up in court, is to seperate out anyone who does coding and not tell them anything about original design
23:49 < gumby_> so it's not technically legal to make opensource drivers from NDA
23:52 < flynux_> neither is reverse engineering apple's firmware 
23:53 < gumby_> i've worried about just that... but it might just be FUD
23:54 < gumby_> otoh, iPL does qualify under "fair use" ... we're not turning a profit, and we're expanding existing hardware for the purpose of interoperability
23:55 < gumby_> which means iPL is "probably" safe on the legal side even though it wasn't made with a "chinese wall"
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