--- Log opened Thu May 04 00:00:02 2006 00:00 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:20 -!- danalien [n=danalien@unaffiliated/danalien] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:03 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:34 -!- gumby_ [n=gumby_@c-71-199-36-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:35 -!- gumby_ [n=gumby_@c-71-199-36-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:42 -!- quobl [n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-1629dacb93ecc455] has joined #ipodlinux 01:43 -!- quobl_ [n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-5c0ec372fcf77269] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 01:52 -!- danalien [n=danalien@unaffiliated/danalien] has joined #ipodlinux 01:55 -!- bluetape [n=mikew@nat01-mccormick-ext.Rutgers.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 01:56 -!- Osiris0290 [n=osiris02@ool-43577a74.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:00 -!- scriptx [n=scriptx@cpe-70-123-144-79.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 02:09 -!- BHSPitLappy2 [i=steve-o@adsl-68-95-245-70.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:11 -!- do_me_nice [n=do__me__@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp120888.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 02:24 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-457286ab.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Client exiting..."] 02:26 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=Steve-O@adsl-68-95-245-70.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:27 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:57 -!- _bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:05 -!- do_me_nice [n=do__me__@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp120888.qc.sympatico.ca] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 03:10 -!- Osiris0290 [n=osiris02@ool-43577a74.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:13 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=steve-o@adsl-68-95-245-70.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:29 -!- danalien [n=danalien@unaffiliated/danalien] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:31 -!- BHSPitLappy2 [i=steve-o@adsl-68-95-245-70.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:32 -!- danalien [n=danalien@unaffiliated/danalien] has joined #ipodlinux 04:08 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/mpdc/mpdc.c: Added in two header widgets to help visualize the mpd state better. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1176) 04:12 < courtc> woohoo! 04:25 < BHSPitMonkey> kewel 04:27 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/mpdc/mpdc.c: A buncha little tweaks to make it look nicer. border on the progress bar now as well. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1177) 04:27 < BleuLlama> this one looks much nicer. 04:30 < BleuLlama> that should be nice. 04:30 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/core/header.c: it's amazing that a single line of pixels turns it from looking crowded to looking nice. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1178) 04:30 < BleuLlama> for those of you who play music via mpd 04:30 < BleuLlama> nice little status for your title bars 04:30 < BleuLlama> :D 04:31 < courtc> :D 04:32 < BleuLlama> i was thinking about putting in the current time on the file, but i didn't do it. 04:32 < BleuLlama> cause i don't know how to change the values into time. ;) 04:34 < BleuLlama> i was thinking that the progress widget would have a bar at the bottom wit the time displayed above it 04:34 < BleuLlama> instead, it's just the progress bar, cetnered vertically 04:35 < courtc> status.elapsedTime <-- 04:35 < BleuLlama> what format is it in? seconds? 04:35 < BHSPitMonkey> I'm so far behind with this project, it's not even funny. 04:35 < courtc> in seconds. 04:35 < BleuLlama> f'ing sweet. give me a few... ;) 04:39 < BleuLlama> whcih do you prefer: 4:02 or 04:02 ? 04:41 < courtc> 4:02 04:41 < courtc> "%2d:%02d" 04:43 < BHSPitMonkey> we're not exactly dealing with prime LCD real-estate, here 04:43 < BHSPitMonkey> gotta concentrate on sig-figs :P 04:43 < courtc> There's a function in playing.c that parses time correctly up to days, as long as the time is positive. 04:43 < courtc> num2time iirc 04:44 -!- joecool [n=joecool@no-sources/joecool] has joined #ipodlinux 04:44 < courtc> 30:23:59:59 is completly possible 04:50 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/mpdc/mpdc.c: Display the time right above the miniature progress bar in the header widget. Gotta fix that vector font at some point. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1179) 04:50 < BleuLlama> there. try that one out, and let me know what you think 04:50 -!- joecool is now known as joecool|sleep 04:50 * BHSPitMonkey wants screenies! 04:55 < courtc> Looks great! 04:55 < courtc> so2.sys-techs.com/rand/pz2-header.png 04:56 < BHSPitMonkey> oh wow 04:56 < BHSPitMonkey> that's beyond nice 04:56 < BHSPitMonkey> is there a clock widget? 04:56 < BleuLlama> yep 04:57 < BHSPitMonkey> nice 04:57 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/mpdc/mpdc.c: Put a drop shadow of bg on the text, so it's readable in all situations. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1180) 04:57 < BleuLlama> http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/Image/2006/05/Picture%205.png 04:57 < courtc> I saw the clock widget, looks good, but where's the analog? 04:58 < BleuLlama> haven't made it yet 04:58 < courtc> ;D 04:58 < BleuLlama> oh, and the progress widget gets wider when it needs it 04:58 < BleuLlama> ie "142:20" is wider than "1:42" 04:58 < courtc> awesome. 04:59 < courtc> what style does it use for the bar? 04:59 < BleuLlama> how do you like the modular widgets? 04:59 < BHSPitMonkey> does it go to hundreds of minutes like that, or to a H:MM form? 05:00 < BleuLlama> courtc: huh? 05:00 < BleuLlama> oh 05:00 < BleuLlama> um 05:00 < BleuLlama> slider? 05:00 < courtc> ok.. 05:00 -!- Owner_ [n=stillbou@c-24-9-8-59.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:00 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:00 < BHSPitMonkey> hey bholland 05:00 < bholland> yo 05:00 < BHSPitMonkey> widgets! http://so2.sys-techs.com/rand/pz2-header.png 05:00 < BleuLlama> http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/Image/2006/05/Picture%205.png 05:01 -!- Owner_ [n=stillbou@c-24-9-8-59.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:01 < BHSPitMonkey> flamey! 05:01 < courtc> the skywards slider has a ton of padding, too bad. 05:01 < BleuLlama> yeah. slider.bg, slider.full, slider.border 05:02 < courtc> Unfortunatly, I can't change the slider style for skywards, or the slider won't look correct. 05:02 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/core/icons.c: fixed the bottom corner of the pause icon. heh. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1181) 05:02 < BleuLlama> yeah. the padding won't work well on it 05:03 < BleuLlama> there's no section for "progress bar" 05:03 < BleuLlama> otherwise i'd have used it 05:03 < BHSPitMonkey> what does it use on schemes with png sliders? 05:03 < courtc> add one, I have music: bar or something which needs to go. 05:03 < BleuLlama> should i instead use box? 05:04 < BleuLlama> ugh. that's a lot of changes to make 05:04 < BleuLlama> perhaps another time 05:04 < courtc> then don't :p 05:05 < BleuLlama> heh 05:05 < BHSPitMonkey> courtc: bought a "gooder" shirt yet? 05:05 < BHSPitMonkey> :P 05:05 < BleuLlama> man. that colon looks horrible. 05:05 * BleuLlama looks in the vectorfont stuff 05:05 < courtc> Nope, if only I had *any* money. 05:07 < BHSPitMonkey> sell one of them fancy mp3 players 05:07 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/rand/pz2-header2.png 05:09 < BleuLlama> that looks nice 05:09 < BleuLlama> well, other than the fucking colon 05:09 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/rand/pz2-familiar9.png 05:10 < courtc> That so f'ing gorgeous. 05:12 < courtc> We win, Apple loses. 05:14 < BHSPitMonkey> apple ftl! 05:22 < BleuLlama> okey! colon fixed! 05:23 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/core/vector.c: Aaaah... much better. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1182) 05:23 < courtc> nice. 05:23 < BHSPitMonkey> yay 05:23 < BHSPitMonkey> colonoscopy! 05:23 * BleuLlama is very happy with this work 05:23 * BHSPitMonkey is, too 05:23 * courtc too 05:24 < BleuLlama> modular, expandable widgets... modular, expandable decorations... clock widget, mpdc widgets, new load average widget with history 05:24 < BleuLlama> fully configurable (independant update rates) for each module... they can be on either or both sides 05:25 < courtc> All very well done. 05:25 < BleuLlama> that's quite a bit of stuff done. 05:25 < BleuLlama> whee! 05:25 < BleuLlama> :D 05:25 < BleuLlama> thanks! 05:25 < BHSPitMonkey> get going on that apache web server port 05:25 < BleuLlama> no 05:25 < BHSPitMonkey> photoshop? 05:25 < BHSPitMonkey> vmware player? 05:25 < BleuLlama> how about I port SHUT THE FUCK UP 05:25 < BleuLlama> ;) 05:26 < BHSPitMonkey> you mean rm -rf / ? 05:26 < BHSPitMonkey> already ported 05:26 < BleuLlama> hheheh 05:26 < BleuLlama> think i'll make a header module just to show how that can be done 05:27 < courtc> umm, like the clock one that you already made? 05:27 < BHSPitMonkey> I think like a mymodule of widgets 05:27 < BleuLlama> i meant decorations 05:27 < courtc> oh. 05:27 < BleuLlama> the clock one is meant to be the example header widget 05:27 < BHSPitMonkey> make it a nice iPL tux logo 05:28 < BleuLlama> i'll make it animated 05:28 < BHSPitMonkey> better 05:28 < BleuLlama> since that's possible now too 05:28 < BHSPitMonkey> I'll use it to punish my iPod's battery when it's being a dick. 05:30 < BleuLlama> should I add a new "Category" for header stuff? 05:30 < BHSPitMonkey> I want to find an OSS powerpoint viewer to port... 05:34 -!- lgates [n=lgates@cpe-24-160-208-146.ma.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 05:41 < courtc> Decorations -> (change decoration) -> Menu -> Decorations -> (select) 05:41 < courtc> Doesn't change the decoration. 05:41 -!- Owner_ [n=stillbou@c-24-9-8-59.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:42 < BleuLlama> hrm 05:42 < BleuLlama> ok. 05:45 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/animated_deco/ ([+] Makefile[+] Module[+] animated_deco.c[+]): Example animated header widget. It's bad. You don't want to use it. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1183) 05:45 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/headerclock/Module: Utilities -> header/widget (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1184) 05:47 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/mpdc/mpdc.c: Got rid of a compiler warning (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1185) 05:47 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/Module_category_guidelines 05:48 < courtc> fix that up for header stuff, if you would. 05:49 < courtc> (If it's even needed) 05:49 < BleuLlama> theres nothing to change 05:49 < BleuLlama> it was a Module category 05:49 < courtc> ah. 05:49 < BleuLlama> not a pz menu 05:49 < BleuLlama> good thinking though 05:54 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/core/header.c: fixed this bug: [@courtc] Decorations -> (change decoration) -> Menu -> Decorations -> (select) Doesn't change the decoration. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1186) 05:55 < BleuLlama> :) 05:55 < BleuLlama> good catch 05:56 < BleuLlama> i'm outta here for the night 05:56 < BleuLlama> have fun, everyone, and enjoy! 05:57 < BleuLlama> oh, we're gonna need Special:Widgets soon 05:57 < BleuLlama> hehe 05:57 * BleuLlama sleeps 05:57 * BleuLlama Gey Schluffen 06:11 -!- acs [n=acs@163.Red-217-126-151.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:33 -!- erus` [n=Tom@AC8D0FD3.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:42 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:06 -!- r3boot [n=r3boot@gatekeeper.nl.eu.org] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:10 -!- quobl [n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-1629dacb93ecc455] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 07:11 -!- quobl [n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-757360c955b6a0fa] has joined #ipodlinux 07:20 -!- philhans [n=philip@static-66-182-95-51.bbsc.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:06 -!- [HSO4-] [n=i@CPE-60-224-221-165.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 08:09 -!- BHSPitMonkey [i=steve-o@adsl-68-95-245-70.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:14 -!- _stefan [n=_stefan@216.55.178.191] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:16 -!- lgates [n=lgates@cpe-24-160-208-146.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:22 -!- lgates [n=lgates@cpe-24-160-208-146.ma.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 08:33 -!- t0mas [n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:33 -!- t0mas [n=tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 08:35 -!- quobl [n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-757360c955b6a0fa] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:37 -!- tempel [n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi] has joined #ipodlinux 08:58 -!- Osiris0290 [n=osiris02@ool-43577a74.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:49 -!- r3boot [n=r3boot@gatekeeper.nl.eu.org] has joined #ipodlinux 10:08 -!- stranger_100 [n=savicky@80.92.96.22] has joined #ipodlinux 10:08 -!- stranger_100 [n=savicky@80.92.96.22] has left #ipodlinux [] 10:10 -!- quobl [n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-8e96ab7bdc9c8307] has joined #ipodlinux 10:44 -!- prot [i=lazertag@ip70-162-120-72.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:44 -!- kibble [i=lazertag@ip70-162-120-72.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:47 -!- acs [n=acs@163.Red-217-126-151.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 11:56 < r3boot> hmm, does anybody know if the latest version of dmg2iso.pl works with the latest version of the ipod firmware files? 11:56 < r3boot> atm I'm getting a message that the ipod firmware is corrupt. 11:57 < tempi> never heard of that thing. where did you get it from? 11:57 < r3boot> it's mentioned in the 2G_Mini howto (http://ipodlinux.org/2g_mini) in the steps for linux 11:58 < tempi> oh, so you are on linux and this is about the apple firmware. can't help you there at all 12:00 < r3boot> yeah, I'm on linux :) I've got a dual-boot system so I can boot into windows too. But one of the steps in converting my windows-based ipod mini involves extracting the firmware files out of the latest released firmware from apple.com.... 12:01 < r3boot> hmm, I just saw a link on the wiki where it's explained howto extract the firmware files under windows. Let's bootup vmware then :) 12:01 < tempi> you could let apple's windows updater install the firmware and then extract it from the ipod 12:02 < linuxstb> I think ipodwizard can extract the firmware from the Windows updater. 12:03 < r3boot> http://ipodlinux.org/Firmware <-- this page describes a trick involving resource hacker; I'm trying that now 12:13 -!- yahya [n=shahid@59.181.96.147] has joined #ipodlinux 12:14 < yahya> anyone is there any channel for uclinux ? 12:21 < r3boot> does podzilla work properly with a 2.4.32 kernel? Any other things to keep in mind when using this kernel instead of the 2.4.24 one? 12:26 < yahya> is it possible to compile uclinux distro for x86 ? 12:26 < yahya> anybody ? 12:44 < rmh3093> r3boot: pz works fine with a 2.4.32 kernel 12:48 < r3boot> yahya, although I'm not a uclinux devver, afaik you should be able to compile x86. I've heard of some rescue-disk projects using it. 12:48 < r3boot> rmh3093, thnx 12:52 < Raboo> i installed ipodlinux 12:52 < Raboo> it looks exactly thesame 12:53 < rmh3093> you can put uclinux on a x86 12:53 < rmh3093> you woudldnt benefit from it 12:53 < rmh3093> you might benefit from running uClibc though 12:53 < rmh3093> if you dont need a system with nptl 12:55 < Raboo> how do i know if i'm in the ipod linux or apple firmware? 12:57 -!- kfm82 [i=kfm82@p54BECDDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:58 < Raboo> the apple firmware is started i think 13:00 < rmh3093> podzilla says podzilla at the top 13:03 < tempi> right. i wonder also how to make screenshots under iPL, and while the Loader2 is showing its menu - would like to show those pictures on the wiki... 13:03 -!- Romanos [n=Romanos_@host-87-74-131-6.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 13:03 < Romanos> Hi everyone! Wouldn't be a good idea on ipod's idoom release to just use the scrollwheel by simply touching the buttons and not really press them? That would be great for avoiding wear the pad. 13:04 < Romanos> can i just change the keys? 13:04 < Romanos> and use them the way i use to play iboy? 13:04 < Raboo> ahh i rebooted with menu+select 13:04 < Raboo> now it works 13:04 < tempi> Romanos, should be possible if you change the idoom source a little, i guess. 13:05 < tempi> but do not ask me how 13:06 < tempi> another way might be to add a button pressing simulation to the kernel: quickly tapping on the wheel where a button is would then send the same code as if the button was really pressed down... 13:06 < tempi> but that requires someone to write it. not me 13:49 -!- rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:59 -!- Enk [n=chatzill@h185n11c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 14:08 < Raboo> my ipod stoped working 14:08 < Raboo> when i choose reboot 14:08 < Raboo> and hold down rewind 14:11 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.33.138] has joined #ipodlinux 14:12 < Raboo> i cant get it to boot now 14:12 < Raboo> it's just shut 14:15 < Raboo> ahh now it worked 14:15 < Raboo> strange, i tried rebooting a million times before and it didn't work 14:17 -!- WonderWal [n=hht@205.177.72.66] has joined #ipodlinux 14:17 < WonderWal> hey is pz2 supposed to be able to play video? 14:19 < BleuLlama> no 14:20 < WonderWal> k 14:21 < WonderWal> is there a file size limit for videos? 14:26 < Raboo> hows the status with the ipodlinux installer and ipodloader2, stil don't work? 14:46 -!- yahya [n=shahid@59.181.96.147] has left #ipodlinux [] 14:48 -!- Romanos [n=Romanos_@host-87-74-131-6.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [] 14:50 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.33.138] has quit [] 14:58 < WonderWal> not sure 15:02 -!- quobl [n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-8e96ab7bdc9c8307] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:16 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@stavanger-dhcp-223-189.bluecom.no] has joined #ipodlinux 15:32 -!- r3boot [n=r3boot@gatekeeper.nl.eu.org] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:33 < tempi> are there any TCP/IP client apps for iPL, e.g. do we have or can we easily make a web/WAP browser? (provided we have internet access, of course) 15:34 < BleuLlama> i don't think there are any 15:34 < rmh3093> links 15:34 < rmh3093> i could try and get that compiled 15:34 < BleuLlama> only a couple of people ever really used the IP over Firewire stuff 15:34 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@stavanger-dhcp-223-189.bluecom.no] has quit [Success] 15:35 < tempi> see, if i make usb work, i could connect a usb modem or my phone to it and then get online :) 15:35 < rmh3093> tempi: do you have the IP link working 15:35 < tempi> i just wonder how much the ipod could replace my Newton 15:35 < BleuLlama> or a keyboard 15:35 < tempi> right, kbd. 15:35 < rmh3093> tempi: get usb working and I will get all the web apps you want 15:35 < tempi> and mouse :) 15:35 < BleuLlama> figure out a way to get one of those PDA keyboards hooked up 15:35 < BleuLlama> or a USB-Bluetooth adapter... 15:35 < tempi> links is graphical? not lynx, right? 15:35 < BleuLlama> etc 15:35 < BleuLlama> both links and lynx are curses/ncurses based i believe 15:35 < rmh3093> links yes can use svgalib, fbcon, directfb, Xlib etc 15:36 < BleuLlama> i think i've only ever used the text version 15:36 < rmh3093> i have it installed 15:36 < BleuLlama> Dillo is a nice lightweight graphical browser. 15:36 < rmh3093> its a nice backup 15:36 < rmh3093> when i mess up my xorg.conf 15:36 < tempi> lol 15:37 < rmh3093> links would be nice just to display html formatted info on the ipod 15:37 < rmh3093> but i dont think the fb driver is up to spec to work programs that need fbcon 15:37 < tempi> btw, i released loader 2.4b2 which fixes the rockbox problem and brings back a kbd polling mode (no intrs required) 15:38 < BleuLlama> does that fix the hang bug? 15:38 < tempi> which hang? 15:38 < tempi> the freeze when using too much kbd? 15:38 < tempi> long ago - since i released 2.4b1! 15:38 < tempi> which was about ... yesterday 15:38 < BleuLlama> heh 15:39 < tempi> BleuLlama, getting too old to catch up with these fast times? 15:39 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@stavanger-dhcp-223-189.bluecom.no] has joined #ipodlinux 15:39 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@stavanger-dhcp-223-189.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:39 < tempi> perhaps i should svn-commit more often :) 15:39 < rmh3093> yeah 15:39 < BleuLlama> huh? 15:39 < BleuLlama> i've been busy with things for the past few days. check the svn logs 15:40 < rmh3093> tempi: you should switch to a 2.x.x version scheme 15:40 < tempi> but since the svn does not manage branches right now, i do not want to commit interim versions of code that might break things. Most ppl would not know how to check out an older version 15:41 < tempi> still, there is no way to let people check out the 2.3 version now if i'd add a 2.4.1 15:41 < tempi> or like that 15:41 < rmh3093> yeah you can 15:41 < rmh3093> if you know what rev # 2.3 was 15:41 < BleuLlama> just tell them to check out SVN 1088 or whatever to get the right version 15:41 < tempi> not with the instructions about how to check out from svn everywhere. 15:41 < BleuLlama> just document that on the testing page or somesuch 15:42 < tempi> it would help if i could tag a version with a string such as "2.3" 15:42 < tempi> can i do that? 15:42 < BleuLlama> i believe you can with svn 15:42 < BleuLlama> i've not done that, but i doubt they'd remove that functionality from its CVS roots 15:42 < tempi> testing page would be the wrong page, as the problem would be that ppl not aware of the testing would then get the testing version while trying to get the latest "official" version 15:42 < rmh3093> tempi: "svn co -r 1088" 15:43 < BleuLlama> i meant just to say "Testing for loader 2 v2.3.0 r1088" 15:43 < BleuLlama> etc 15:44 < tempi> rmh3093, i would have to update a LOT of pages telling ppl how to check out from svn for that. after all, everyone expect up to now that when they do a HEAD checkout, they get the right files. but then they'd get the beta files for loader2 and then they'd have to know what's wrong. 15:44 < BleuLlama> just put the info on the laoder2 page 15:44 < tempi> my point is: the _default_ checkout everyone uses should NOT break things by interim testing code checked in 15:44 < rmh3093> right 15:44 < tempi> that's why i'd like to use branches for the beta instead 15:44 < rmh3093> agreed 15:45 < BleuLlama> the whole project is beta, things go wrong, it happnes 15:45 < rmh3093> tempi: a.b.c revisions could be a=major,b=stable,c=testing 15:45 < rmh3093> just make the stable versions 2.x.0 15:46 < tempi> BleuLlama, would you like to see many ppl come here and say: hey, loader2 does not work any more, and then figure out why, and then tell them that they now need to look at the loader2 page to learn that they have to special-handle it now? because i don't. 15:46 < tempi> rmh3093, so that 2.4.1 is beta and then the final is 2.4.0? no way 15:47 < BleuLlama> would it be so hard to say on the loader2 page "the top version of loader2 might be un stable. the last known, tested, stable version is r1088, and can be checked out via svn co -r 1088 ...etc" 15:47 < rmh3093> no the you should be on 2.3.x till 2.4.0 is stable 15:47 < BleuLlama> i'm trying to solve *your* problem. stop biting my head off abou it 15:47 < tempi> rmh3093, that's not logical to me. i rather stay with the "b" naming for now 15:47 * BleuLlama afk to do some work 15:48 < tempi> BleuLlama, doesn't get it. i try to make it easier for users so they do NOT have to read every possible page on the wiki before they know they have to special-handle every program they want to check out 15:49 < rmh3093> tempi: you cant just have a Loader2_Testing svn repo 15:50 < rmh3093> ? 15:50 -!- CloudNine [i=CloudNin@cpc3-hem14-0-0-cust294.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:52 -!- j0k3r [n=K4S@44.167.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ipodlinux 15:55 < j0k3r> hi there, someone can tell me about this http://micheIPL.tripod.com/nano/ ? is the right file to install ipl on nano ? a virus ? what ? 16:01 < tempi> wow, see the intended audience: " If you do not know how to extract a zip file, read this." 16:02 < j0k3r> :I 16:04 -!- mightyFidgEt [i=mightyfi@O357e.o.pppool.de] has joined #iPodLinux 16:08 -!- [HSO4-] [n=i@CPE-60-224-221-165.wa.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Yøu sunk my bättleship."] 16:08 < tempi> is there a way to turn the pz2 screen by 90 degress? 16:09 -!- Terrablebyte [n=chatzill@user-2219.wfd88a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 16:10 < rmh3093> tempi: when pz2 uses HD i think i could 16:10 < WonderWal> j0k3r: dont use that. 16:10 < WonderWal> but which is the recommended tutorial for ipl on the nano? 16:11 < tempi> hotdog, you mean? is it planned to move pz2 to using HD, or is that an option, or how? 16:11 < j0k3r> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5281 16:11 < tempi> why do you need a tutorial? why not simply use the installer2? 16:11 < j0k3r> but someone changed the file on http://ipodlinux.org/Nano_Installer 16:11 < j0k3r> installer2 ? 16:11 < rmh3093> tempi: its probably on josh's todo list after the installer is done 16:12 < j0k3r> installer2 works for nano ? 16:12 < j0k3r> http://www.get-linux.org/~oremanj/t/ipodlinux-installer-2.11w.zip this one ? ;O 16:13 < tempi> well, it should, unless it says that it doesn't. 16:13 < tempi> poor josh... ;) 16:16 < WonderWal> :( 16:16 < WonderWal> that guy's an idiot who editted the nano install wiki page 16:17 < j0k3r> yes he is -.- 16:17 < WonderWal> can the wiki sysops please recover the old page? 16:18 -!- CloudNine [i=CloudNin@cpc3-hem14-0-0-cust294.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:21 < tempi> you can do it yourself, just log in to the wiki. plus, the previous pages were disabled because they contained external links that were not wanted. Just see for yourself by using the "History" link at the top of the page 16:21 < j0k3r> ipodloader2 works on nano ? 16:22 < tempi> can't you use read the wiki pages, please 16:23 < j0k3r> LoLz kk 16:24 < WonderWal> tempi: seems like the nano installer was the same as the modded 4g installer? 16:25 < tempi> i don't know 16:25 < tempi> what nano installer 16:25 < WonderWal> alright, i'll quit bothering you heh 16:36 -!- rconan [n=richard@82.14.27.9] has joined #ipodlinux 16:36 -!- erus` [n=Tom@AC8D0FD3.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:46 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #iPodLinux 16:52 -!- rconan [n=richard@82.14.27.9] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:53 -!- _stefan [n=_stefan@216.55.178.191] has joined #ipodlinux 17:03 -!- DDustin [n=ddustin@adsl-71-141-163-255.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:05 -!- Terrablebyte [n=chatzill@user-2219.wfd88a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:17 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@stavanger-dhcp-223-189.bluecom.no] has joined #ipodlinux 17:31 -!- Terrablebyte [n=chatzill@user-2219.wfd88a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 17:32 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.58.231] has joined #ipodlinux 17:43 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 18:04 -!- florian_ [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:04 -!- florian_ [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 18:07 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.58.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:12 -!- Enk [n=chatzill@h185n11c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:14 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.33.45] has joined #ipodlinux 18:14 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.33.45] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:18 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 18:22 < Terrablebyte> Spam 18:22 < Terrablebyte> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10797 18:22 < BleuLlama> Deleted 18:28 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.42.74] has joined #ipodlinux 18:28 -!- ced117_ [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 18:29 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit ["leaving"] 18:33 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 18:33 -!- ced117_ is now known as ced1171 18:33 -!- ced1171 is now known as ced11714 18:33 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:33 -!- ced11714 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit ["leaving"] 18:35 -!- haroon [n=haroon@ppp-82-135-66-250.mnet-online.de] has joined #ipodlinux 18:35 < haroon> hello 18:36 -!- haroon [n=haroon@ppp-82-135-66-250.mnet-online.de] has left #ipodlinux [] 18:37 -!- ced117_ [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 18:37 -!- ced117__ [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 18:38 -!- WonderWal [n=hht@205.177.72.66] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:40 < yohu123> can anyone please give me a decent tutorial that will guide me in upgrading my loader2 from 2.1 to 2.3 without losing any present data like apps, modules, music, video and data files? 18:44 < yohu123> what...nobody around at this time. thats strange? 18:47 -!- mightyFidgEt [i=mightyfi@O357e.o.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:48 < Terrablebyte> You wil have to losr your curent version of iPod Linux 18:48 * Terrablebyte is going to bot back into windoze. brb 18:48 -!- Terrablebyte [n=chatzill@user-2219.wfd88a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.0.7/20051010]"] 18:49 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/ttk/src/ttk.c: Major restructuring of ttk_run(); it should be faster and easier to handle. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1187) 18:49 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/core/header.c: Made some tweaks to only load and parse the settings after all of the widgets have loaded. (there's now a pz_ and an int_ version of the header widget add function as well.) (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1188) 18:50 < iPL-SVN> Someone just broke the PZ2 build. 18:50 < iPL-SVN> Someone just broke the PZ2 build. 18:51 < josh_> BleuLlama: head to flood 18:51 -!- ced117__ [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:53 < yohu123> what do you mean by lose my current version of ipod linux..will i lose my data as well and all those compiled modules to run with pz2? 18:55 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/core/ (header.c pz.h): Hey, BleuLlama, how about typing 'make' before checking your code in? Hmm? That might be a good thing to do in the future... (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1189) 19:08 < j0k3r> a question: "Press menu and select move cursor. Press the "Fast Forward" button on your iPod and then scroll up until you get to the last letter of the last line." 19:08 < j0k3r> (to use start files with v2) 19:08 < j0k3r> it is right ? O_o i have (in my rc): 19:08 < j0k3r> ... 19:08 < j0k3r> podzilla 19:08 < j0k3r> sh /mnt/start 19:09 < j0k3r> wrong position ? xD 19:11 -!- ced117_ [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:11 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/installer/ (firmware.cc make_fw2.c): Remove all vestiges of "aple". 'Twas a bad idea. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1190) 19:12 -!- yohu123 [i=yohu123@59.183.42.74] has quit [] 19:12 < josh_> anyone feel like testing svn-1190 of the installer? 19:12 < josh_> (I'm at school, can't test) 19:15 < j0k3r> i don't even know what svn-1190 is.. LoL :P 19:16 < josh_> not directed at you 19:16 < josh_> svn-1190 is the fix I just checked in - notice the 1190 at the endo f the thing iplbot just said? 19:16 < josh_> er, iPL-SVN 19:20 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:21 -!- unfo [n=QSECADM@CPE0004e2d9f884-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:21 -!- unfo [n=QSECADM@CPE0004e2d9f884-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 19:24 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/core/icons.c: Tweaked the play and pause icons to look a little nicer. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1191) 19:26 -!- Enk [n=chatzill@h185n11c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:32 -!- r3boot [n=r3boot@gatekeeper.nl.eu.org] has joined #ipodlinux 19:36 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/mpdc/mpdc.c: Minor tweaks to the rendering. Now, if there's no song playing, the progress widget displays "STOP" (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1192) 19:44 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/core/header.c: vis tweaks. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1193) 19:48 -!- Terrablebyte [n=chatzill@user-644.lns3-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 19:48 < Terrablebyte> Gaspode, are you there? 19:49 < tempel> arf arf! 19:49 < tempel> give that doggie a sausage :) 19:52 -!- bluetape [n=mikew@nat01-mccormick-ext.Rutgers.EDU] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:57 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:58 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/core/header.c: Fixed the bug where the update function for a widget was getting called twice if the widget was on the left and on the right. If it is in both places, the left one's update rate will be observed, not the right. Also, some minor tweaks for the Amiga 1.x (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1194) 20:02 -!- Enk [n=chatzill@h185n11c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:18 -!- do_me_nice [n=do__me__@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp120888.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 20:19 -!- tempel [n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:20 -!- tempel [n=tempi@port-212-202-193-236.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ipodlinux 20:20 -!- Bi-noix [n=Bi-noix@gniak.org] has joined #ipodlinux 20:24 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/rawpod/ (5 files): Add a MountedFilesystem class to access a local directory with a VFS::Filesystem. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1195) 20:39 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/installer/make_fw2.c: Whoops. BleuLlama... you win. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1196) 20:39 < josh_> BleuLlama: see, I *do* make mistakes! :-) 20:44 < BleuLlama> you staged that. 20:45 < tempel> err, josh, that " MountedFilesystem class to access a local directory with a VFS::Filesystem" - that's exactly what i had added (with a different name) to support MacPods, it seems :) 20:45 < tempel> nice :) 20:48 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/ (API.tex core/header.c core/pz.h): Updated the documentation to describe the current header widget system. In the process, I noticed some discrepancies, and fixed those as well. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1197) 20:49 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 20:49 < josh_> BleuLlama: nope, not stages 20:49 < josh_> *staged 20:49 < BleuLlama> hehe 20:55 -!- acs [n=acs@161.Red-80-37-249.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:56 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:00 -!- do_me_nice [n=do__me__@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp120888.qc.sympatico.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:02 -!- acs [n=acs@161.Red-80-37-249.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 21:03 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/installer/installer.h: Hey, Josh! Change the version numbers! (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1198) 21:05 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/ttk/schemes/red.cs: Yeah, Josh. Remember to change the version numbers in installer.h! Sheesh. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1199) 21:05 * BleuLlama giggles 21:17 -!- ced117 [n=ced117@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:49e3] has joined #ipodlinux 21:21 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:22 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:23 -!- Terrablebyte [n=chatzill@user-644.lns3-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:25 -!- speacial_ed [n=chatzill@00095b0ec047.click-network.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:30 < speacial_ed> i have a 5g ipod and im running winxp, i installed ipod linux and i have loader2 and when i try and select "retail os" it still boots ipod linux... any help? 21:31 < speacial_ed> also when turning on my ipod it says something like ipodloader.config not found 21:39 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-66-95-230.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 21:43 < _stefan> maybe if you select ipodlinux it boots retailos ;) 21:43 < scriptx> hah 21:45 < speacial_ed> not quite but it was a good idea 21:46 < scriptx> Perhaps the problems lies in the fact that it's missing ipodloader.config? 21:54 < scriptx> Hmmm, why is it recommended that variables be static when coding for the iPod? 21:55 < tempel> where did you read that 21:55 < scriptx> Hold 21:56 < scriptx> "Make these static whenever possible." - http://ipodlinux.org/Modifying_Podzilla 21:56 < scriptx> And perusing svn: https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/courtc/trac.cgi/browser/tools/ipodloader2/loader.c 21:56 < scriptx> A lot of statics 21:57 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=steve-o@adsl-68-95-245-70.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:58 < tempel> i am writing on loader.c currently, so i can probably answer that 21:58 < tempel> what would you use instead? 21:58 -!- erus` [n=Tom@AC8D0FD3.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:58 < scriptx> Non-static? I'm just wondering why you guys are using the keyword so much 21:58 < scriptx> :/ 21:58 -!- erus` [n=Tom@AC8D0FD3.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:59 < tempel> oh. so that you do not get name conflicts from other .o files 21:59 < tempel> plus, self-documenting: 21:59 < tempel> makes it clear it's not to be used outside 21:59 < tempel> static makes it private to that source file 21:59 < tempel> that's C basics 22:01 < scriptx> Eep, seems my concept of statics has been askew all this time :( 22:01 < scriptx> Thanks 22:03 -!- smacmac [n=severins@79.84-48-113.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:05 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/ttk/ (API/API.tex src/sdl.c src/ttk.c): Bugfixes. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1200) 22:05 < josh_> 1200! 22:05 -!- smacmac [n=severins@79.84-48-113.nextgentel.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:05 < josh_> scriptx: static means two things 22:05 * erus` is away: sleep 22:06 < josh_> inside a function, it's effectively a "namespaced global"; it gets initialized with the rest of the app's globals and it maintains its value until changed, but it's only accessible inside that function. 22:06 < josh_> at a file's top level, it's more of a "local global" - a global only accessible inside one source file 22:06 < tempel> the term is private, josh :) 22:06 < tempel> at least in other langs 22:06 < scriptx> Yeah, I'm reading up on it. I wasn't too far off after all.. 22:06 < scriptx> I didn't know that it made it private 22:07 < josh_> eh, OOP people call it private, linkers call it local or non-external... whatever you want to call it. 22:07 < tempel> :) 22:07 * BleuLlama calls it "Fred" 22:07 < scriptx> hah 22:07 < josh_> anyway, pz2 modules use statics to avoid cluttering the namespace 22:07 < BleuLlama> #define Fred static 22:07 < tempel> rofl 22:07 < scriptx> lol 22:07 < josh_> all modules' globals have one namespace 22:08 < josh_> it's rather like the reasoning behind "static" in kernel modules 22:08 < BleuLlama> have we gone through and surveyed how much space is being used by just static variables? 22:09 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit ["und weg"] 22:09 < scriptx> That's one of the reasons I asked~ memory usage 22:09 < scriptx> That's one of the reasons why I asked* 22:10 < tempel> ah, we got plenty of memory 22:11 < tempel> we even have an extra 32MB on 60GB 5G models that we don't use 22:11 < scriptx> Most people have nano's according to... some post 22:11 < scriptx> Do all iPods have the same amount ofmemory? 22:12 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-457286ab.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:12 < tempel> all have 32MB but the 60GB video which has twice 22:12 < kfm82> nope, scriptx 22:13 < scriptx> ehhh.. 22:29 -!- fxb [n=felixbru@p548FF138.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:32 < fxb> davidc__? 22:34 -!- Lex_ [i=lex@vil.kas.tut.fi] has joined #ipodlinux 22:37 < fxb> nvm, send you a pm... 22:37 < fxb> bye 22:37 -!- fxb [n=felixbru@p548FF138.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:38 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=Steve-O@ppp-70-251-64-161.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:43 -!- iBeKev [n=kevinn76@adsl-69-106-235-115.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [] 22:46 -!- Lex [i=lex@vil.kas.tut.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:46 -!- Lex_ is now known as Lex 22:57 -!- speacial_ed [n=chatzill@00095b0ec047.click-network.com] has quit ["Bye"] 23:04 -!- tempel [n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] --- Log closed Fri May 05 00:00:00 2006