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00:02 < fxb> night.
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00:23 < tenkelvin> hello?
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00:36 < tenkelvin> please help
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00:46 < rsc> which page is correct about partitioning on 5g? /5g or /Installation_from_Linux?
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00:48 < Tranqualizer> is the root of a PC formatted iPod just the first place it takes you when you open the iPod?
00:50 < tenkelvin> /usr/local/arm-uclinux-tools2/lib/gcc/arm-uclinux-elf/3.4.3/../../../../arm-uclinux-elf/bin/ld.real: ERROR: ../ipp/lib/ippAC_SA11LNX_r.a(ipplib.o) uses hardware FP, whereas podzilla.elf2flt uses software FP
00:51 < tenkelvin> why are Intel Primatives coded for an FPU when ARMs dont have them?
00:52 < tenkelvin> which root are you talking about Tran?
00:52 < tenkelvin> there are 3
00:53 < Tranqualizer> the one where you put the start file
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00:56 < DJDutrow> hello
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01:02 < rsc> which page is correct about partitioning on 5g? /5g or /Installation_from_Linux?
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01:21 < rsc> Well. Im trying to install ipodlinux on my 5g, I followed wiki/5g instructions but I get only the apple logo and it is rebooting and rebooting and rebooting, I can't get even the ipodloader2 screen 
01:22 < rsc> any ideas?
01:22 < gumby0> put it into diskmode
01:22 < gumby0> (hold center + play as it reboots)
01:23 < wendt> make sure you start holding it as soon as it starts rebooting, before the apple logo
01:24 < rsc> I have it in diskmode right now
01:25 < rsc> And I know how to restore AppleOS but I don't want to restore it, I want Linux!
01:26 < rsc> /dev/sda1   *           1          14      112423+   0  Empty
01:26 < rsc> /dev/sda2   *          15        7196    57689415    b  W95 FAT32
01:26 < rsc> /dev/sda3            7197        7296      803250   83  Linux
01:26 < rsc> is this OK?
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02:00 < tenkelvin> anyone else having trouble building podzilla with the Intel primatives version 1.1
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02:46 < Tranqualizer> do all the iPods have the 10 minute video problem?
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03:08 < Inc> hi I was wondering how descructive it is to install ipod linux instead of rockbox on my ipod video 60gb.
03:08 < BleuLlama> i'd say 12.3 on the metric scale
03:08 < Inc> I don't want to destroy it in anyway so it won't boot or something it's brand new. 
03:08 < Inc> I'm wondering if there's a way to easily switch between the 2 (e.g. automatically boot ipod firmware) and change as wanted.
03:09 < BleuLlama> loader2
03:09 < Inc> I see so it would be easy. 
03:10 < Inc> and how easy is ipodlinux to remove
03:10 < Inc> should I decide I don't like it
03:10 < BleuLlama> on a scale of color, i'd say about orange
03:10 < Inc> ...
03:11 < Inc> :) your very helpfull :) 
03:11 < BleuLlama> you're*
03:11 < Inc> yes.
03:11 < BleuLlama> it's very simple
03:11 < BleuLlama> remove the files, restore the ipod.  you're done
03:12 < Inc> I see. and partitioning and install ipodlinux shouldn't be destructive or anything correct?
03:12  * Inc is slightly worried.
03:12 < BleuLlama> repartitioning will wipe your disk
03:12 < BleuLlama> make backups first
03:12 < BleuLlama> like the directions suggest
03:13 < Inc> I see. 
03:13 < Inc> ok thank you for your help I was a bit stressed about fuxoring up my ipod
03:14 < Inc> BleuLlama~, if you don't mind me asking considering I have the g5 ipod there's no installer is there?
03:14 < Inc> that works on "windows"
03:15 < BleuLlama> i dunno.  don't think so
03:15 < Inc> considering one other problem. I like my stuff in color this won't be black and white correct?
03:20 < Inc> sorry I like to make sure everything is correct before I jump into stuff
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05:10 < tempest1> So how do I reset an iPod that has boot errors?
05:11 < DarthLappy> Throw it out the window and hope that it works?
05:12 < tempest1> good idea, but instead i restarted it like i normally would have
05:13 < tempest1> it's telling me though, "FAT: bogus logical sector size 52114"
05:15 < DarthLappy> From...? Linux?
05:15 < tempest1> Yea, the msdos_read_support fails...
05:36 < aegray> install a new loader
05:36 < aegray> ?
05:41 < tempest1> i just installed it
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06:03 < jsquishy> Hi, I have a question... if i want to compile a module, can I just put pz.h in the same directory and compile using the arm-gcc?
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07:00 < davidc__> I swear.. I am going to stab everyone on the forum to death
07:00 < davidc__> then cut them up into little pieces
07:00 < davidc__> and then stab those pieces to death
07:00 < davidc__> and then put those pieces in little boxes
07:00 < davidc__> and stab the boxes to death
07:00 < davidc__> then incinerate them, and somehow stab the ashes
07:01  * abeyance closes the forum window
07:02 < davidc__> well, not everyone
07:02 < davidc__> just the idiots.
07:02 < davidc__> I get home from my vacation, and I've had to spend almost an hour deleting posts
07:02 < davidc__> I WAS GONE FOR 4 DAYS!
07:02 < abeyance> ouch
07:04 < davidc__> I mean.... real posts are fine.. but the CRAP that piles up in this forum is just insane
07:04 < davidc__> and 3 of the crap pilers had the nerve to PM me asking to be mods
07:04 < davidc__> I swear, just for that I think I'm going to ban them,
07:06 < abeyance> well, if they are just working your last nerve and turning the forum to crap you might as wel
07:07 < abeyance> unless i'm one of said idiots... then give at least me another chance
07:07 < abeyance> ;))
07:08 < abeyance> i'm trying to cheer you up a bit. if it's not working just tell me to shut up at any moment
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07:13 < davidc__> I swear, the sheer stupidity of some of these people is likely to cause black holes to form around them...
07:13 < davidc__> as they suck all the order out of the room and create entropy
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10:47 < occe> hi
10:49 < occe> no one here?
10:54 < occe> have some problem with my ipod, sometimes the buttons dont react to my inputs, would like to test if its software related
10:56 < SereR0KR> any way to update ipodloader a bit easier? ^^
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11:18 < tempi> than how?
11:19 < SereR0KR> got it ;>
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11:32 < SereR0KR> getLoader2Args works nice
11:32 < SereR0KR> but what if I got more Items than the number of items that can be displayed in ipodloader2
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11:36 < occe> anyone knows if its possible to reboot an ipod nano from the computer?
11:37 < SereR0KR> no
11:40 < occe> ok, too bad.
11:42 < occe> have problem with my ipod, can start it by pressing the middle button, but then no buttons work, and if i do "keylock and back" it shuts down, and if i press the middle button it starts again, with the same problem
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11:45 < occe> get the feeling its a software problem, even if a update from the apple homepage doesnt help
11:46 < occe> i thougt i could try linux to see, but if i can reboot that seems it could be difficult
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11:49 < linuxstb> occe: Writing to the first 32MB of the disk should cause the ipod to reboot.  
11:55 < occe> linuxstb: hmm, ok, can i restore the ipod without using the buttons on the ipod?
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11:56 < occe> before sending it back to the repair (again!) since they didnt fix it last time
11:58 < linuxstb> occe:  Does it go into disk mode when you connect it to your computer?
11:59 < occe> linuxstb: no, dont think so, it works just as normal
11:59 < occe> when connecting to the computer
12:00 < linuxstb> I mean, do you get the "do not disconnect" message when you connect it to the computer?  If so, then the Apple Restore program should work.
12:01 < occe> cant check that know, cause using linux. 
12:01 < occe> the apple restore programs works fine
12:01 < linuxstb> The ipod itself should do the same thing in Linux.
12:02 < linuxstb> To make it reboot, just try "dd if=/dev/sda of=temp.bin count=1" followed by "dd if=temp.bin of=/dev/sda" (assuming the ipod is /dev/sda)
12:02 < occe> when connected to my linux i get do not disconnect
12:02 < occe> linuxstb: ok, just copy it to computer and back+
12:02 < linuxstb> That just reads the first sector from the disk, and writes it back again.
12:02 < occe> ill try it
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12:07 < occe> hmm, it doesnt reboot by itself, but when either toggling the "hold" or pressing the menu+select button for some seconds, it seems to reboot
12:10 < occe> so, at least the select and menu button should work? strange that it doesnt work its started
12:19 < linuxstb> When you reboot, can you hold LEFT and CENTER together to enter the diagnostics mode?
12:24 < occe> hmm, no...
12:24 < occe> but just got it to work, for a minute.... :(
12:24 < occe> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1832123&#1832123
12:28 < occe> so, could be some kind of calibration error
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12:53 < tempi> to cause the reboot after the write to ipod, you also need to eject it!
12:54 < tempi> ah, occe is gone
12:54 < tempi> linuxstb, did you know?
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12:55 < linuxstb> It's been a while since I changed my bootloader, but I remember it rebooting as soon as I unplugged it.  I never use eject.
12:55 < tempi> same thing
12:57 < linuxstb> Yes, I didn't make it clear he/she needed to unplug.  But hopefully he/she did that.
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13:18 < whitewiz> any brightminded person here who knows the dos commands for putting two files together?
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13:18 < whitewiz> like 1+2= 12 :P if you know what i mean :D
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13:19 < whitewiz> anyone?
13:20 < linuxstb> I think something like "copy /b file1 + file2 file3" but it's been a _long_ time.  Try "copy /?"
13:21 < whitewiz> ok I´l try it
13:21 < whitewiz> wish me luck :P
13:21 < linuxstb> googling for "dos copy concatenate" gave this as the first link: http://www.easydos.com/copy.html
13:22 < whitewiz> k thanks
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13:32 < whitewiz> i tried copy /b file1+file2 file3 and it seems to work :D
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14:58 < crashd> afternoon all
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15:32 < BleuLlama> fxb: would you mind if your port of 'starfield.c' made it into svn, rather than you maintaining it yourself?  (i want to try using it as the background for vortex)
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15:36 < Flub> is here anybody with an ipod photo?
15:39 < Flub> hello?
15:40  * Flub slaps Flub around a bit with a large trout
15:43 < fxb> BleuLlama: no problem
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15:44 < BleuLlama> fxb: cool.
15:45 < BleuLlama> i'm probably going to put in a few different star pattern generators as well
15:45 < BleuLlama> as well as tinting the stars slightly
15:45 < BleuLlama> rather than them being all white
15:47 < fxb> cool :)
15:48  * BleuLlama just put in color. :D
15:48 < fxb> :D
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16:16 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/vortex/starfield.c[+]: Initial version in SVN.   This was ported from Rockbox(Kevin Ferrare) by Felix Bruns Color support added. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1114)
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16:23 < imphasing> Apparently Gaim works for irc..
16:23 < imphasing> :]
16:26 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/vortex/ (7 files): Starting the integration of "Starfield" into vortex. Removed my old, cruddy vstars stuff. This should let Vortex work, with a dark sky, and Starfield should work from the Demos menu now. :) (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1115)
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16:36 < pepie34> Hi is there anybody who have already built the 2.95 toolchain for linux PPC
16:36 < pepie34> ?
16:37 < pepie34> how about explanation how to built the 3.4.3 toolchain?
16:38 < imphasing> courtc probably has them
16:39 < pepie34> can i hope to have it pacakage ?
16:39 < imphasing> probably, but you'd have to ask courtc
16:39 < imphasing> I don't really know much about the PPC linux iPL stuff..
16:39 < pepie34> (the http://uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/arm-elf-tools/tools-20030314/ seems to be very slow or down)
16:40 < pepie34> courtc, have you built the 2.95 and 3.4.3 for linux ppc?
16:40 < pepie34> (may it is a good idea to mirror it on ipodlinux)
16:44 < pepie34> imphasing, when can i usualy reach courtc by IRC ? (utc time)
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16:51 < davidc__[2]> imphasing: around?
16:51 < imphasing> davidc__[2]: yeah
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17:31 < yohu123> im trying to use the sdl_image lib. i have downloaded the entire source code of courtc/tools using cygwin. while compiling, which folder do i have to include in the command?
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17:33 < pepie34> courtc, have you built the 2.95 and 3.4.3 toolchain for linux PPC?
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17:41 < BleuLlama> why do you come here, when you know it makes things hard for me
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17:43 < pepie34> ?
17:45 < Flub> is there a build of iboy for (color pod) with the right screensize?
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17:57 < fxb> !module ch
17:57 < fxb> :D works!
17:58 < BleuLlama> ?
17:58 < fxb> type: !module
17:58 < BleuLlama> !module ch
17:58 < fxb> :)
17:58 < BleuLlama> !module
17:58 < BleuLlama> nothing happened
17:58 < BleuLlama> `module
17:58 < fxb> it should notice you
17:58 < fxb> works for me...
17:58 < BleuLlama> oh. there it is.  hehe.  it's in my status window
17:58 < BleuLlama> :}
17:59 < fxb> :o
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17:59 < BleuLlama> that's where all of my notices go
17:59 < fxb> yep
17:59 < BleuLlama> btw, your starfield port is now in svn.  with color.
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17:59 < fxb> yes i saw iPL-SVN posting it :)
18:00 < fxb> BleuLlama: !latest
18:00 < BleuLlama> i added your name and the original author's name in the Vortex Module file
18:00 < Bi-noix> !latest
18:00 < BleuLlama> !latest
18:00 < Bi-noix> !latest podzilla2
18:00 < Bi-noix> it rocks :D
18:08 < fxb> :>
18:09 < tempel> is there anyone here who is successfully using the Serial Port or the FireWire IP modules to communicate with the iPod from a PC?
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18:13 < Flub> where do i get the source code of the iboy file?
18:14 < Flub> for color..ipod
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18:27 < Flub> fxb?
18:27 < fxb> ja
18:27 < Flub> kannst du mir was compilieren?
18:27 < fxb> nein
18:28 < Flub> ok dann muss ich mich durchs wiki arbeiten
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18:33 < tempel> linux question: is there a way to tell the OS to direct ALL incoming data on a serial port (or any other device) to another device (in this case: console)?
18:34 < tempel> i mean not to use "dd" - i need this to function in the background
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18:40 < josh_> tempel: "exec < /dev/ttyS0 > /dev/ttyS0 2>&1" if you're using minix-sh
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18:44 < tempel> ah. but that won't work in sash, would it?
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18:46 < tempel> no, it wouldn't. i will try to follow these instructions and see how it goes: http://ipodlinux.org/Minix-sh
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18:52 < rconan> hey all
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18:53 < rconan> i have a problem with the ¨Official Installer¨ That Im sure is just a configuration problem but i cant tell whats wrong
18:53 < tempest1> rconan: what's going on? I might be able to help, but I just started using it yesterday
18:53 < tempest1> speaking of, does anybody know where i can get a toolkit with the arm-uclinux-elf-gcc on it?
18:53 < rconan> Im getting an ¨Error accessing the filesystem¨ on the first screen
18:54 < rconan> using x86 linux btw
18:54 < tempest1> what kind of ipod?
18:54 < rconan> ipodlinux.org/Toolchain 
18:54 < tempest1> I have on with arm-elf-gcc but when i do a symbolic link i get errors
18:54 < tempest1> rconan: tried it
18:54 < tempest1> it didn't come with it
18:54 < rconan> you want the 3.4.3 version rather than 2.95
18:54 < tempest1> ok, awesome
18:54 < tempest1> yea, i'm getting that same error on my nano
18:54 < rconan> mine? a 3g
18:54 < tempest1> i'm thinking it's because i used the wrong loader
18:55 < rconan> one with the 5 cylinder os part
18:55 < tempest1> didn't read the instructions close enough
18:55 < tempest1> cool
18:55 < tempest1> yea, i don't know then... is it having problems with msdos or the devfs?
18:56 < rconan> if i disconnect the ipod i get the no ipod error so its obviously finding the ipod
18:56 < rconan> and the sysinfo file is present on the ipod
18:56 < rconan> so i cant guess whats wrong
18:56 < rconan> is josh around?
18:56 < tempest1> maybe a bad sys image
18:56 < tempest1> idk
18:56 < rconan> i opened it and it seemed ok
18:57 < rconan> will try deleting it and booting ipod os
18:57 < tempest1> opened how?
18:57 < rconan> sys image?
18:57 < rconan> i read sysinfo
18:57 < tempest1> i mean the sys image as in the bootloader that either loads the linux kernel or ipod OS image
18:58 < tempest1> but i'm talking out of my ass
18:58 < rconan> i havent got linux on it
18:58 < tempest1> oh...
18:58 < rconan> its literally out of the box
18:58 < tempest1> oooh...
18:58 < rconan> the installer fails on the first step
18:58 < tempest1> i see
18:58 < josh_> rconan: ?
18:58 < josh_> what's up
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18:59 < rconan> error reading filesystem on first step of installer
18:59 < rconan> with 3g ipod
18:59 < rconan> on x86 linux
18:59 < josh_> what's the exact wording of the error?
18:59 < rconan> just a sec
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19:00 < gpda> hello
19:00 < rconan> ipod is rebooting to recreate sysinfo
19:00 < gpda> I've created a 'start' file, but it's not being run on boot
19:00 < rconan> did you install from linux?
19:00 < gpda> errrm. I forget now
19:00 < rconan> do you have linux?
19:00 < gpda> I think I may have, yeah
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19:00 < gpda> yeah, I think I used a knoppix cd to install a while back
19:01 < gpda> that may be why I don'
19:01 < rconan> yuo need to edit your /etc/rc on the ext3 partition to include ¨mnt/start¨ somewhere near the end
19:01 < gpda> ..t see the podzilla file
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19:03 < BleuLlama> w.h.o.a.
19:03 < BleuLlama> this looks nice
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19:03 < davidc__[2]> BleuLlama: hmm
19:04 < gpda> what does?
19:04 < BleuLlama> gimme a few, making some tweaks, then checking it in
19:04 < josh_> BleuLlama: ?
19:04 < fxb> i think he's talking about vortex with starfield bg
19:04 < fxb> :)
19:04 < davidc__[2]> BleuLlama: post screenshots
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19:05 < josh_> fxb: btw, prod veteran with this: http://www.get-linux.org/~oremanj/t/iPL-scheme-repository.tar.gz
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19:05 < rconan> sorry i disapeared
19:05 < rconan> my x server screwed itself
19:05 < rconan> yuo still around josh?
19:05 < tempel> help! i just followed the minix install instructions but it seems it's not enough to actually start the shell. I guess I have to put something into "rc" to make it start, right? of course, i have to remove the "podzilla" invocation, but what must i do to get the menu that the shell offers via "sash.conf"?
19:05 < fxb> BleuLlama: prod?
19:06 < josh_> yes
19:06 < fxb> ah, i looked it up :)
19:06 < rconan> i need to recompile
19:06 < rconan> i think
19:06 < rconan> i had to change x server driver?
19:06 < rconan> would a recompile be needed
19:06 < BleuLlama> fxb: correct
19:07 < rconan> i getting ¨Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified installer: cannot connect to X server :0.0¨
19:07 < rconan> when i run it
19:07 < gpda> do any of you use the epodia wiki program?
19:08 < rconan> me?
19:08 < gpda> you do?
19:08 < rconan> i dont
19:09 < fxb> mmh, whats better, User_talk or forum pm? :)
19:09 < tempel> please - someone must know how to configure the minix shell?
19:09 < tempel> the wiki page is not helpful
19:09 < rconan> i remember it being unhelpful when i used it
19:09 < rconan> i cant remember anything though
19:10 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/vortex/ (starfield.c starfield.h[+] vortex.c): Starfield now displays behind the Vortex web.  Sweet! (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1116)
19:10 < BleuLlama> YAY
19:10 < BleuLlama> once i realized the minimal amount of things i needed to hook into for the starfield to work, it was dirt simple to hook it in. :D
19:11 < davidc__[2]> BleuLlama: screenshots?
19:12 < BleuLlama> no thanks.  I can just play it
19:12 < BleuLlama> oh, you want screenshots
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19:12 < BleuLlama> svn up ; make ; ./podzilla -photo   ;)
19:12 < davidc__[2]> yes.... :P
19:13 < davidc__[2]> BleuLlama: at work :P
19:13 < gpda> is there a way to get a start file to run from within podzilla?
19:13 < BleuLlama> davidc__[2]: gimme a few
19:13 < rconan> if you find your start file in the browser you might be able to execute it
19:13 < BleuLlama> hrm.  monochrome doesn't look good. gonna hafta fix that later
19:13 < rconan> failing that you could run the shell and type the path to it
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19:14 < gpda> I've found it in the browser
19:14 < gpda> but the only options I have are view and delete
19:14 < rconan> or if the permissions arent right to run it you could type ¨sh /path/to/start/file¨
19:14 < rconan> josh i posted an error in PM to you cos it took a few messages
19:14 < rconan> could you possible gimme some idea?
19:17 < BleuLlama> davidc__[2]: http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/Image/2006/04/
19:17 < BleuLlama> Vortex[1-4].png
19:18 < BleuLlama> it looks better in real life, since it moves
19:18 < BleuLlama> ;)
19:18 < davidc__[2]> BleuLlama: slick!
19:19 < BleuLlama> it'll be nicer once i get the starfield generator to be my bitch, as it were
19:19 < BleuLlama> rather than random generation, i want it to have patterns, like Tempest 2000
19:23 < rconan> anyone know why i might get filesystem errors trying to find the SysInfo file using the official installer
19:23 < rconan> ?
19:29 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/vortex/starfield.c: Fix to let it look good on monochrome ipods (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1117)
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19:33 < NsN> Hi
19:35 < josh_> iH
19:35 < BleuLlama> .olleH
19:36 < fxb> BleuLlama: why didn't it look good on monochromes?
19:36 < BleuLlama> because the new color stuff i put in screwed it up. ;)
19:37 < BleuLlama> it needs some more tweaking, but it's good for now
19:37 < fxb> :) k
19:38 < josh_> ?niaga sdrawkcab gnipyT :amalLuelB
19:38 < BleuLlama> josh_: no
19:38 < josh_> ok. good. :-)
19:38 < BleuLlama> ;)
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19:41 < madog> Help! I can't play video in ipod linux!
19:41 < hyarion> madog: what kind of ipod is it?
19:42 < hyarion> how did you convert it?
19:42 < hyarion> (the movie)
19:42 < madog> 4G ipod nano, but I installed it OK, and yes I converted it.
19:42 < tempel> would everyone agree that the Podzilla page (on the wiki) gives a good explanation on setting up a "start file" on WinPods?
19:42 < rconan> maybe
19:42 < hyarion> madog: pz0 or pz2?
19:42 < madog> ???
19:43 < hyarion> podzilla or podzilla2
19:43 < madog> vipodzilla, but also wouldn't work on the old versions, either...
19:43 < tempel> omg! vortex! the game! wow!
19:44 < BleuLlama> is that sarcasm?
19:44 < BleuLlama> if not; thanks. :)
19:44 < hyarion> madog: wh vipodzilla? not sure vipodzilla has a videoplayer
19:44 < BleuLlama> i still need to add in game play, and rewrite part of the web generation engine...  
19:44 < madog> yeah, but i tried it on older versions, too.
19:45 < BleuLlama> lots more to do to make it a proper game, where i'd be comfortable saying it's "done"
19:45 < hyarion> madog: hov about a new version? ;)
19:45  * BleuLlama notes that "Vortex" is the only reason he's really working on IPL stuff... ;)
19:45 < hyarion> like the latest podzilla (not pz2 though)
19:45 < madog> vipodzilla is a new version.
19:46 < hyarion> ok, what happes when you try to play a video then?
19:46 < madog> it says "file type not supported", and YES it is mp4.
19:47 < gpda> by the way, in the Windows installation forums a large number of unhelpful topics are stickied
19:47 < fxb> i don't think vipodzilla has the video player
19:47 < fxb> type: !latest podzilla
19:47 < fxb> and get it
19:47 < gpda> and the working official installer is buried in release announcements where people won't really be looking
19:47 < tempel> i like the idea with vortex, because it makes good use of the scroll wheel.
19:47 < BleuLlama> :)
19:48 < tempel> doom, however, is not well playable on the ipod's keypad, me thinks
19:48 < fxb> madog: btw: the video player can't play mp4
19:48 < hyarion> madog: it chould be uncompressed avi
19:48 < hyarion> read on the wiki
19:48 < madog> where on the wiki?
19:49 < hyarion> in the "search" box
19:49 < fxb> ipodlinux.org/Video_player
19:49 < BleuLlama> tempel: agreed.
19:49 < BleuLlama> well,  iDoom is playable, it's just not very fun
19:49 < BleuLlama> i've got it on my ipod for the "nifty" factor.  i never play it
19:49 < hyarion> :(
19:49 < BleuLlama> once there's USB host support, and i can play the game with a mouse, it'll be fun. ;)
19:49 < hyarion> BleuLlama: same here :P
19:50 < gpda> I almost finished iDoom on the nano
19:50 < BleuLlama> but it is neat.
19:50 < BleuLlama> let me clarify... *I* don't think it's fun for *me*.  
19:50 < BleuLlama> i can't speak for others.
19:50 < BleuLlama> i also don't think doom is fun on just keyboard or just joypad controller. 
19:51  * BleuLlama shrugs
19:51 < madog> everywhere says that you gotta convert it into mpeg 4...
19:51 < hyarion> BleuLlama: you don't need to explain yourself I know what you mean :)
19:51 < BleuLlama> madog: video for apple's firmware on the 5g ipod needs to be mpeg4.  video for ipodlinux needs to be uncompressed avi.  read the video player docs for podzilla, you'll see that.
19:52 < BleuLlama> hyarion: i just didn't want you to be offended; i couldn't remember if it was you that worked on the port.
19:52 < madog> thank you, i'm logging off...
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19:52 < hyarion> BleuLlama: I'm not offended :P
19:52 < hyarion> I totaly agree with you
19:53 < BleuLlama> ok. :}
19:53 < tempel> bleu, since when do you care to not offend someone? ;)
19:53 < BleuLlama> tempel: it comes and goes.
19:53 < BleuLlama> like a bad rash
19:53 < BleuLlama> ;)
19:56 < gpda> the official installer is lovely
19:56 < gpda> although I think it's failing to get the package list properly
19:57 < BleuLlama> seriously though; i try not to offend people that contribute or otherwise are good around here.
19:57 < BleuLlama> a noob that comes in from out of nowhere, and talks crap about the project?  that's a different story.
19:57 < BleuLlama> ;)
20:00 < gpda> ahh..wrong package list version
20:00 < rconan> is the official installer good?
20:00 < rconan> i was just trying to make it work but im getting filesystem errors before it even starts?
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20:01 < fxb> it still has some bugs.
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20:03 < gpda> this package list bug is annoying
20:04 < davidc__[2]> gpda: fix, submit patch
20:05 < gpda> I would, but I have next to no idea what's happening
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20:06 < tempel> call "josh" - he should be probably the one fixing the list then
20:07 < josh_> gpda: it's in the midst of being restructured a bit
20:07 < tempel> josh: what's the console output device on iPL? /dev/...?
20:07 < gpda> ok. does the enhanced loader currently work?
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20:08 < tempel> the loader should work. always. seen it not work? when, why?
20:08 < gpda> I mean installation of the loader from the official installer
20:08 < tempel> it worked for me when i last tested.
20:09 < tempel> it uses an older version, though. no macpod support. and it fails on older ipods
20:09 < rconan> older iPods as in which ones?
20:09 < tempel> but you can rather easily manually install a new loader afterwards.
20:09 < tempel> that's what i do.
20:09 < tempel> you tell me what you have and i tell you if it works :)
20:09 < rconan> 3G
20:10 < tempel> me too. that one still crashes with the installer's loader installation
20:10 < tempel> you have to manually install the loader.
20:10 < gpda> I'm using the installer on an ipod nano. the top progress bar loops and I've been on 12% for a while, so I was just wondering if there were bugs with the loader option
20:10 < rconan> do neither of the installer ones work?
20:10 < gpda> cool, it moved - patience is the answer : )
20:10 < tempel> i only tried the new installer v2.
20:11 < tempel> rconan, which os are you using?
20:12 < tempel> does anyone know the name of the console device (for screen text output) on ipodlinux?
20:12 < BleuLlama> fxb: ping
20:14 < fxb> pong
20:14 < gpda> meh. crashed with a filesystem error
20:14 < fxb> BleuLlama: pong pong pong
20:15 < fxb> :>
20:15 < BleuLlama> fxb: nevermind
20:15 < fxb> k..
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20:17 < gpda> and when the installer crashes there's no way to continue, so I've restored twice now
20:19 < tempel> gpda, are you on win or linux
20:19 < gpda> windows xp
20:20 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/installer/ (5 files): A bit of categorization in the package list. Package format is now v3. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1118)
20:21 < gpda> amazing, thanks josh. will you be updating the post with a compiled version at some point?
20:21 < josh_> yes
20:21 < josh_> until then, I've removed the "version 3" line from the package list
20:21 < josh_> as the new stuff is backwards-compatible
20:22  * josh_ -> class
20:22 < gpda> cool. do you have any idea about errors writing to the ipod?
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20:30 < tempest1> has anybody ever had the boot screen keep flashing and restarting?
20:32 < tempest1> nvm
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20:36 < josh_> gpda: what's the error?
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20:39 < gpda> josh_, I tried restoring again and I've now made some progress
20:39 < gpda> another error: 'unable to open /bin/podzilla...'
20:40 < gpda> "no such file or directory"
20:40 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/vortex/ (starfield.c starfield.h): Added functionality to define where on the generation plane to generate the stars. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1119)
20:41 < gpda> 2006-04-17-podzilla.gz is in dl_packages
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20:43 < SereR0KR> can't I split the big ipod partition with mac os x disk utility?
20:43 < SereR0KR> and install rockbox on an FAT Partition?
20:44 < SereR0KR> I think it doesn't work :/
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20:58 < DJDutrow> hey
20:58 < DJDutrow> Is it possible to reskin PZ0 with a custom theme
21:01 < DJDutrow> ??
21:02 < BleuLlama> not easily
21:02 < BleuLlama> you'd have to hack on the source code, writing new code to do it
21:03 < gpda> meh, I've given up on this installer
21:03 < gpda> at least wikipedia works on my 3g.
21:04 < DJDutrow> How would you "hack" the source code may i ask? is there a program?
21:04 < BleuLlama> you download the source code, edit it, and rebuild your own podzilla.
21:04 < DJDutrow> oh
21:05 < DJDutrow> so it would be a podzillae?
21:05 < BleuLlama> *sigh* yes.
21:05 < DJDutrow> lol
21:05 < BleuLlama> pz0 is pretty much abandoned by the devs in favor of working on pz2
21:06 < abeyance> i just read that :/
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21:06 < abeyance> when video works on pz2 i'll switch over
21:06 < DJDutrow> oh, well PZ2 sucks right now
21:06 < NsN> Does the ipod dsp only support 16 Bit pcm?
21:06 < BleuLlama> wow.  thanks, DJDutrow.
21:06 < DJDutrow> lol
21:06 < DJDutrow> no offense
21:06 < BleuLlama> that's really not funny. 
21:07 < BleuLlama> we're working hard on it, and you come along and claim it sucks?
21:07 < BleuLlama> what the hell?
21:07 < DJDutrow> i know, I meant...
21:07 < DJDutrow> its buggy thats all i meant
21:08 < BleuLlama> you know, you don't have to use any of our stuff if you don't want... in fact, with that attitude, i'd prefer you didn't at all.
21:08 < DJDutrow> no, no IPL is great
21:08 < BleuLlama> no it's not.  you said yourself it's buggy and it sucks.
21:08 < DJDutrow> pz2 is just buggy, thats all i meant
21:08 < BleuLlama> it's not.
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21:08 < BleuLlama> it has a bunch of features that have yet to be implemented, but it's not "buggy"
21:08 < DJDutrow> on the nano its very buggy
21:08 < BleuLlama> i use it on my nano all the time, and it works great.
21:09 < gpda> DJDutrow, how did you get it working on the nano?
21:09 < gpda> manually?
21:09 < DJDutrow> yes
21:09 < gpda> I just wasted a long time with the official installer
21:09 < gpda> off to do something useful
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21:10 < DJDutrow> BleuLlama, it doesnt work on my nano, i always get cannot load modules, podzilla will be very boring
21:10 < DJDutrow> thats why i said that
21:10 < BleuLlama> then it's your own fault for installing it wrong.
21:10 < BleuLlama> it's not buggy, you just can't follow directions.
21:10 < DJDutrow> yes i guess it is
21:10 < DJDutrow> I followed instructions
21:11 < BleuLlama> well, so did i, and it works fine here.
21:11 < DJDutrow> Many tutorials
21:11 < NsN> Do I have to convert 8 Bit audio to 16 bit, to play it with the oss functions?
21:11 < DJDutrow> what tutorial did you use?
21:12 < DJDutrow> bluellama
21:12 < BleuLlama> i followed the general installation procedure on the wiki.  no tutorial.  just followed the directions.
21:12 < bholland> same here
21:12 < BleuLlama> had it all up and running in about 10 minutes
21:12 < DJDutrow> does it play videos? 
21:12 < BleuLlama> a little more to get the new loader2 running.
21:12 < DJDutrow> does it play videos
21:12 < BleuLlama> DJDutrow: pz0 plays videos.  but i don't care since i don't use it to play videos.
21:13 < DJDutrow> ok
21:13 < BleuLlama> stop repeating yourself
21:13 < DJDutrow> so pz2 doesnt
21:13 < BleuLlama> not yet.  it's being worked on
21:13 < DJDutrow> k
21:13 < SereR0KR> is there a 5g installer for windows?
21:14 < DJDutrow> can pz  run .exe apps?
21:15 < DJDutrow> ..
21:17 < DJDutrow> Nevermind
21:18 < DJDutrow> i apologize if i made you mad BleuLlama
21:21 < DJDutrow> NsN did u get the ipod to play mjpeg?
21:22 < josh_> SereR0KR: look under "Windows/Linux installer" in Release Announcements
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21:26 < NsN> DJDutrow: still working on it
21:26 < NsN> Right now i'm trying to figure out, how to get the audio working
21:27 < DJDutrow> thats cool
21:28 < DJDutrow> im looking for PZ0 source 
21:28 < DJDutrow> i cant find it :-/
21:30 < hyarion> NsN: what are you doing?
21:31 < DJDutrow> anyone know where the podzilla source it
21:31 < DJDutrow> is**
21:32 < davidc__[2]> DJDutrow: in magicall pixie land
21:32 < davidc__[2]> DJDutrow: some know it by its more common name of CVS
21:32 < DJDutrow> ok
21:32 < DJDutrow> Does anyone know where the podzilla CVS is
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21:34 < NsN> hyarion: Right now i'm trying to figure out, why the ipod can't play Sounds with 8 Bit samplesize
21:34 < DJDutrow> i dont think its the ipod
21:35 < DJDutrow> I think its the chips in it
21:35 < DJDutrow> well that made no sense...
21:36 < hyarion> NsN: I remebered I had a problem with that too... try 16bit instead
21:36 < hyarion> if it's possible
21:36 < NsN> when i call ioctl mit format = AFMT_U8 it always changes format to AMFT_S16_LE, but i dont need 16 Bit, 8 is more than enough..
21:36 < DJDutrow> hyarion did you make your own encoder?
21:36  * tempel wished he could filter out his own changes on http://ipodlinux.org/Special:Recentchanges
21:36 < SereR0KR> would the latest build of the winodws/Linux installer install Linux on my 5G under windows?
21:37 < DJDutrow> no...
21:37 < hyarion> DJDutrow: eh, no?
21:37 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/ttk/schemes/ (15 files): Added chargingbolt spec. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1120)
21:37 < SereR0KR> Update 2006-04-08: Fixed a ton of bugs. Should work with even 5Gs now on Windows.
21:37 < SereR0KR> ok it does
21:38 < DJDutrow> idk
21:38 < DJDutrow> lol
21:38 < DJDutrow> Does anyone at all know where the podzilla cvs is?
21:38 < tempest1> Anybody tried installing on a nano with ipodloader2 have an issue with it constantly restarting at boot?
21:38 < DJDutrow> I guess i can try
21:39 < BleuLlama> DJDutrow: search on the wiki, or click on things that look like they might help.  it's not that hard.
21:40 < BleuLlama> tempest1: yes. the latest version works great.  it's on the wiki at Loader2Testing i believe
21:40 < DJDutrow> Why do you always get smart? I was asking a harmless question
21:40 < BleuLlama> DJDutrow: you were asking it lots of times, and a simple search on the wiki would have given you the answer.
21:40 < BleuLlama> have a little initiative.
21:40 < DJDutrow> i have been looking
21:40 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/ttk/ (API/API.tex src/icons.c src/include/icons.h src/menu.c): ttk_draw_icon() can now draw real icons. (Use something like menu: icon3 => @arrow.png in the scheme file.) (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/1121)
21:41 < tempest1> BleuLlama: Alright, thanks much.
21:41 < BleuLlama> And if you don't know the answer to something someone is asking, don't answer.
21:42 < BleuLlama> tempest1: no prob.
21:44 < DJDutrow> bbl
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21:48 < tempel> josh, did you manage to fix the 3g firmware creation as well?
21:48 < josh_> nope, don't know what's wrong with it
21:49 < josh_> oh, btw: http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=Loader_2&curid=2122&diff=0&oldid=9685&rcid=12867
21:53 < tempel> so, you still have not tested it, josh? :)
21:56 < josh_> nope
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22:04 < NsN> Ok, I can play 16 Bit audio, but it runs at twice the speed and there's alot of distorion, anyone got an idea what that could be?
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22:05 < abeyance> uncompressed 16bit pcm at 44.100khz
22:06 < NsN> jepp
22:06 < BleuLlama> sounds like you got the endianness of the samples wrong
22:06 < BleuLlama> as well as perhaps 22.05khz instead
22:06 < abeyance> ahh yes
22:07 < abeyance> if you are on a ppc machine you must choose little endian (if done thru quicktime
22:08 < NsN> No, thats not it, i tried AFMT_S16_LE and _BE, i'm on an x86, BE just gives me lots of noise
22:08 < abeyance> oh
22:09 < abeyance> that makes me useless. sorry. :/
22:09 < NsN> And changing the sample rate doesn't work either.
22:09 < NsN> Thanks anyway :)
22:11 < abeyance> can i ask what conveter you're using?
22:12 < NsN> At the moment audcity, but i think i'm going to try some different, maybe it's really the file
22:12 < NsN> *audacity
22:13 < abeyance> good idea
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22:21 < NsN> Argh! I've found the error. If i use 16 Bit, i have to use "write(audio_fd, output_buffer, buffer_size * 2)", I only wrote half the buffer every time...
22:22 < abeyance> great!
22:22 < abeyance> that you found the problem i mean
22:23 < NsN> Yeah, i would still prefer 8Bit over 16 Bit, but for the moment i can use that.
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22:42 < d> where do i get the source code of  this build? : http://brandon-holland.com/downloads/software/iboy-photo-0.1.3-bin.tar.gz
22:43 < d> ??? please help me
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22:47 < d> is it possible that nobody of so many guys know anything (dont laugh about my english your german aint better)
22:48 < aegray> from cvs
22:48 < aegray> look on sourceforge
22:48 < d> ok but how do i know that it is exactly this build?
22:49 < aegray> i dunno
22:49 < aegray> talk to bholland
22:49 < gumby0> pz2 invaders port: http://i3.tinypic.com/vwsbrn.jpg
22:49 < gumby0> far from finished
22:50 < d> is 0.1.3 always the same?
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22:50 < d> if its like that i know which is the right source
22:51 < hyarion> d: try to build it and see if the binary has the same md5 sum :P
22:52 < d> lol i dont even know how can i build a code for linux (i just downloaded cygwin) and ill try to change the resolution of iboy (for my photo)
22:52 < d> i want try it with "make" 
22:54 < d> http://sourceforge.net/projects/iboy/
22:54 < d> here isnt a sourcecode..
22:54 < d> i cant download 0.1.3
22:56 < d> OR do you know if anyone has compiled a version for ipod photo with the right screensize yet?
22:56 < aegray> no
22:56 < aegray> there is no such thing yet
22:56 < d> i think i have to wait until bholland is online
22:57 < d> ...
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22:58 < SereR0KR> hm I get an error when I execute the windows/linux installer :o
22:59 < SereR0KR> the app just crashed
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22:59 < fo> hey guys
22:59 < SereR0KR> hi
22:59 < fo> does anyone know how to completety format a nano
22:59 < fo> like i want to get rid of eevrything
22:59 < fo> restore?
23:00 < SereR0KR> yes
23:00 < fo> k
23:00 < hyarion> fo: have you searched the forum?
23:00 < fo> im using a modified older updater
23:00 < fo> does it matter
23:00 < SereR0KR> no
23:01 < fo> it says ipod service error
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23:01 < fo> when i open up the updater
23:04 < hyarion> fo: are you using windows?
23:05 < fo> yes
23:05 < hyarion> fo: have you tried to restart it?
23:05 < fo> restart what
23:05 < fo> ipod?
23:05 < hyarion> your computer
23:05 < fo> yes
23:05 < hyarion> :/
23:06 < fo> how do i reinstall the updater
23:06 < hyarion> isn't there a uninstaller in the start menu?
23:06 < fo> um let see
23:06 < hyarion> or in "add remove software" in the control panel
23:06 < fo> k
23:09 < SereR0KR> is there an easy way to install Linux on a 5G when I use Windows?
23:10 < hyarion> SereR0KR: download a linux live cd, burn it on a cd, restart your computer...
23:11 < SereR0KR> dunno which Live CD O.o
23:12 < hyarion> I would go with ubunto (might be cause I have 15 of those at home)
23:12 < fo> is ipod updater seperate from the updater
23:13 < SereR0KR> I got a live CD of that
23:13 < SereR0KR> and with Ubuntu I can install Linux on my iPod?
23:16 < hyarion> well you need to download some stuff fromipodlinux.org like kernel, podzilla etc in order to install it :P
23:16 < SereR0KR> thats clear
23:17 < hyarion> but it should work
23:17 < hyarion> but I think it should be possible with windows too :/
23:18 < fo> brb
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23:26 < ankit_> i... got... MPD... to work!!!
23:26 < ankit_> woohoo!
23:27 < ankit_> thanks to: josh_, courtc, aegray, coob, and hyarion
23:27 < ankit_> works great too...
23:29 < hyarion> ankit_: what did I do?
23:29 < ankit_> helped me with some stupid /etc/rc stuff
23:29 < ankit_> at some point
23:30 < hyarion> oh :P
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23:35 < courtc> Glad you got it working.
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23:36 < SereR0KR> hm
23:37 < SereR0KR> my SuSe Live CD doesn't know these commands: % mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda2
23:37 < SereR0KR> % mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda3
23:37 < SereR0KR> % tune2fs -c 0 /dev/sda3
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23:42 < ankit_> SereR0KR: you know you don't type the "%", right?
23:45 < SereR0KR> of course
23:45 < ankit_> okay
23:45 < ankit_> just checking :D
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23:45 < SereR0KR> ;)
23:45 < ankit_> i dont think those are default commands
23:45 < BHSPitLappy> ha
23:46 < SereR0KR> hi BHSPitLappy 
23:46 < BHSPitLappy> I just accidentally forkbombed my friend's computer
23:46 < SereR0KR> o.O
23:46 < BHSPitLappy> in a VNC session
23:46 < SereR0KR> -.-
23:46 < BHSPitLappy> greatness
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23:49 < fo> when i open the updater it says plug  in a ipod to update
23:50 < fo> should i restart
23:50 < fo> yes
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23:54 < ankit_> did fo just answer is own question?
23:54 < SereR0KR> how can I see what drives are connected to my PC in the console?
23:54 < ankit_> what OS?
23:55 < SereR0KR> Linux
23:55 < ankit_> cat /proc/scsi/scsi
23:55 < SereR0KR> hm
23:55 < SereR0KR> it says nothing o.O
23:55 < SereR0KR> but my iPod is ^^
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23:57 < ankit_> SereR0KR: try reconnecting
23:58 < tempest1> SereR0KR: try another USB port
23:58 < SereR0KR> ok
23:58 < tempest1> either that or check to make sure your kernel has USB support
23:59 < tempest1> making sure the cable/iPod both work on another computer would be good too, if you can
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23:59 < ankit_> or try in windows
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