--- Log opened Fri Feb 24 00:00:02 2006 00:00 < ``Respect> root@ubuntu:/home/norman# ls /dev/sda3 00:00 < ``Respect> /dev/sda3 00:00 < aegray> hahahahaha 00:00 < aegray> mount it 00:00 < aegray> then ls the contents 00:00 < ``Respect> i did... 00:00 < ``Respect> mount /dev/sda3 00:00 < ``Respect> and 00:00 < Cillian> ... 00:00 < Cillian> .... 00:01 < aegray> mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/ipod 00:01 < ``Respect> lol.... 00:01 * Cillian wonders why loopback mounting doesn't work on this box... 00:02 < Cillian> and because that thought is so boring... promptly falls asleep 00:02 < Cillian> ZZZzzz... 00:02 < ``Respect> mount: /dev/sda3 already mounted or /mnt/ipod busy 00:02 < ``Respect> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda3 is mounted on /media/ipod-1 00:02 < aegray> haha 00:02 < aegray> ls /media/ipod-1 then 00:02 < Cillian> you *did* unmount before partitioning... right? 00:02 < aegray> hahaha 00:02 < ``Respect> i did lol 00:03 * Cillian stops sleeptalking 00:03 < ``Respect> lol 00:03 < ``Respect> root@ubuntu:/home/norman# ls /media/ipod-1 00:03 < ``Respect> lost+found vmlinux 00:03 < imphasing_> Cillian: sudo modprobe loop 00:03 < imphasing_> :) 00:03 < Cillian> i did... 00:03 < Cillian> i'm still having wierd problems... 00:03 < imphasing_> hehe 00:03 < Cillian> loop is in my module autoloader 00:03 < imphasing_> I'm too lazy to write my modules.conf file, so I just manually modprobe everything, and never shut down 00:03 < Cillian> hmm... 00:03 < ``Respect> root@ubuntu:/home/norman# ls /media/ipod-1 00:03 < ``Respect> lost+found vmlinux 00:04 < ``Respect> just again lol... 00:04 < Cillian> yeh... well this system is headless 00:04 < Cillian> and if it does reboot 00:04 < imphasing_> aegray: This must be frustrating... 00:04 < Cillian> how to I manually modprobe network drivers, so I can ssh in.....? :-P 00:04 < Cillian> zzz... 00:04 < aegray> ``Respect: you did not extract a filesystem then 00:04 < aegray> like i said 00:05 < aegray> follow the installation instructions from linux a little more closely 00:05 < ``Respect> i did exactly as it said 00:05 < ``Respect> should i format again? 00:05 < ``Respect> and start from scratch 00:05 < ``Respect> and were in the instuctions do you think i messed up? 00:05 < Cillian> * where 00:05 < JohnNy64-konik> I'll repeat my question (-: if I want use the latest nightly pz build, do I have to use the latest nightly kernel build? 00:06 < Cillian> no, i think 00:06 < JohnNy64-konik> ok 00:06 < Cillian> *i think* 00:06 < JohnNy64-konik> I'll try (-: 00:06 < Cillian> oooh, backwards smily :-P 00:06 < JohnNy64-konik> yeah (-: 00:06 < aegray> ``Respect: obviously you did not do as it said 00:06 < JohnNy64-konik> I don't like icq (-: 00:06 -!- BHSPitLappy_ is now known as BHSPitLappy 00:06 < imphasing_> Time to get something to eat. 00:06 < aegray> you have to extract a filesystem 00:06 -!- imphasing_ [n=a766a239@yossman.net] has quit ["College food sucks."] 00:07 * Cillian is confused by backwards smilies and falls asleep again 00:07 < JohnNy64-konik> backwards smilies are the best (-: 00:07 < courtc> stfu 00:07 < ``Respect> http://ipodlinux.org/5g#podzilla.28pz2.29 like that? 00:08 < aegray> under setup userland 00:08 < ``Respect> okay 00:08 < ``Respect> i did that... hmm 00:08 < ``Respect> wat coudl i have done bad :\ 00:09 < aegray> if you format or repartition you have to do that again 00:09 < ``Respect> okay, 00:09 < ``Respect> question 00:10 < ``Respect> tar xvzf //ipod_fs_040403.tar.gz the path to is were i have it saved so i think i had it point to /home/norman/linux/ 00:10 < aegray> ok.... 00:10 < JohnNy64-konik> aegray: how should I repartition a nano to have sda3 physically after sda2? 00:11 < aegray> figure out how many cylinders there are in total by looking at what sda2 goes to right now 00:11 < BHSPitLappy> ``Respect: use tab completion, so you don't have to guess . 00:11 < aegray> then repartition with sda2 right after sda1 leaving 5-10 blocks at the end 00:11 < ``Respect> ? 00:11 < JohnNy64-konik> ok (-: 00:12 < JohnNy64-konik> ah... I'm too lazy to think so late at night... 00:12 < BHSPitLappy> ``Respect: in here, type "BHS" and hit TAB 00:12 < ``Respect> kk 00:12 < BHSPitLappy> then try that in a terminal when you're typing a path :) 00:13 < ``Respect> kk 00:13 < ``Respect> ahh 00:13 < ``Respect> okay brb dinner 00:13 < BHSPitLappy> if you weren't sure about that path before, type a part of "ipod_fs" and if it was there, it'd complete it 00:13 < erus> hi ``Respect, you pm'd but i was afk 00:15 -!- t0mu [n=t0mu@68-188-69-126.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:15 < t0mu> Hello? 00:16 < aegray> goodbye? 00:17 < t0mu> I was making sure that somebody was at their keyboard. 00:17 -!- imphasing_ [n=a766a239@yossman.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:19 < courtc> aegray uses direct input... from his brain. 00:19 -!- coob [i=pen0r@host-84-9-63-253.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:19 < courtc> there's no keyboard involved. 00:20 < aegray> i told my girlfriend that 00:20 < imphasing_> Whoa, I can in at the wrong time.. 00:21 < imphasing_> s/can/came/ 00:21 < aegray> then leave! 00:21 < imphasing_> No! 00:21 < t0mu> Does anyone here have experience with iPod Linux on a 4th Generation iPod? 00:21 < aegray> yes 00:21 < courtc> imphasing_ does. 00:21 < imphasing_> No he doesn't. 00:21 < imphasing_> :) 00:22 < aegray> yes he does 00:22 < imphasing_> Er.. 00:22 < imphasing_> Yeah, sure. 00:22 < erus> omg spam 00:22 < t0mu> Would you know why it is that when I reboot my iPod, it goes into iPodLinux no matter what? 00:22 < aegray> erus: what? 00:22 < courtc> omg erus 00:22 < erus> :> 00:22 < imphasing_> first, download the latest 2.6 uclinux kernel and patch. 00:22 < t0mu> During the install, I set the Apple OS as the default. 00:22 < imphasing_> I think I have one I can send you. 00:23 -!- SpeTIX [n=SpeTIX@host14-6.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #ipodlinux 00:23 < t0mu> And even when I hold down the rewind button, I still end up in iPodLinux. 00:23 < aegray> dont touch anything 00:23 < aegray> reboot and take your hadns off 00:23 < t0mu> I've tried that as well. 00:23 < courtc> not even yourself. 00:23 < imphasing_> Go make some tea right after you rebot. 00:23 < t0mu> The real problem is-- I can't get the thing to reconnect with my computer. 00:23 < erus> disk mode! 00:24 < imphasing_> Boot into diskmode then. 00:24 < t0mu> How do I go about that? 00:24 -!- rage- [n=rage@0-1pool251-22.nas4.duluth1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:24 < courtc> diag mode! 00:24 < imphasing_> Perpendicular mode! 00:24 < BHSPitLappy> :S 00:24 < t0mu> Press the rewind and fast forward buttons at the same time while rebooting? 00:24 < t0mu> I tried that, too. 00:25 < imphasing_> And? 00:25 -!- drake [n=drake@24.22.243.85] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:25 < imphasing_> Don't leave us in the dark, I'm dying to hear what happened. 00:25 < courtc> That's for <= 3g 00:25 < t0mu> None of it works, I always end up in iPodLinux. 00:25 < aegray> t0mu: use the RIGHT key combinations then 00:25 < courtc> `combo moves 00:26 < courtc> no? 00:26 < aegray> `what? 00:26 < courtc> `TKO 00:26 < aegray> `what are you talking about? 00:26 < t0mu> Default: Press nothing --> boots iPodLinux 00:26 < t0mu> Non-default: Press rewind --> boots iPodLinux 00:26 < courtc> `diskmode 00:26 < iplbot> diskmode is reboot, then immediately, when the ipod turns on again (apple logo appears), press and hold <=3g: ff+rew >=4g: play+center [from courtc] 00:26 < aegray> t0mu: ~[diskmode] 00:26 < iplbot> diskmode is reboot, then immediately, when the ipod turns on again (apple logo appears), press and hold <=3g: ff+rew >=4g: play+center [from aegray] 00:26 < aegray> damn 00:26 < courtc> I WON! 00:26 < aegray> `go kill courtc 00:26 < iplbot> I'm off killing courtc [from aegray] 00:26 < courtc> loser. 00:26 < t0mu> Diskmode: Press rewind and fastforward --> boots iPodLinux 00:26 < aegray> :) 00:26 < courtc> ahh! 00:26 < aegray> t0mu: thats not the right buttons for 4g 00:27 < t0mu> Thank you! 00:27 < aegray> yes 00:28 < t0mu> Now how do I go about fixing the problem? 00:28 < aegray> reinstall i guess 00:28 -!- joecool is now known as joecool|et 00:28 < t0mu> Whenever I select "Power Off iPod" from the "Power" menu, it just reboots. 00:28 < t0mu> I'll try a reinstall. 00:28 < BHSPitLappy> that's expected behavior. 00:28 < BHSPitLappy> if you don't like it, install Poweroff Beta. 00:28 < BHSPitLappy> (wiki) 00:29 < courtc> `combo moves is ~[literal reboot] \ ~[literal diskmode] 00:30 < aegray> `fun is ~[literal literal literal literal combo moves] 00:30 < aegray> `fun 00:30 < iplbot> I literally don't know what you're talking about. [from aegray] 00:30 < aegray> stupid bastard 00:30 < BHSPitLappy> haha 00:31 < aegray> `fun is ~[~[~[reboot]]] 00:31 < aegray> `fun 00:31 < aegray> `ping 00:31 < iplbot> PONG [from aegray] 00:31 < aegray> damn 00:31 < BHSPitLappy> ha 00:31 < t0mu> How do I access /etc/rc on my iPod when Windows only mounts the /hp partition? 00:31 < BHSPitLappy> you can't. 00:32 < t0mu> Bummer. 00:32 < courtc> `fun is yes 00:32 < courtc> `fun 00:32 < iplbot> fun is yes [from courtc] 00:32 < courtc> :D 00:32 < t0mu> I'd like to add the line that makes it grab the system time. 00:32 < BHSPitLappy> get linux. 00:32 < BHSPitLappy> or edit rc from PodWrite in podzilla2 00:32 < imphasing_> Has anyone ported gzip to the ipod yet? 00:33 -!- navaburo [n=navaburo@nj-71-48-106-232.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:33 < imphasing_> Sounds like a fun project.. 00:33 < courtc> imphasing_: libz several times over. 00:33 < navaburo> hello all 00:33 < aegray> hello moon 00:33 < imphasing_> courtc: Ah. 00:33 -!- virtualball2 [n=virtualb@ACA65E76.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:34 < imphasing_> courtc: Is it useful? 00:34 < navaburo> now i know that the 4g's are unsupported, but is there development being done for them? 00:34 < aegray> yes 00:34 < courtc> libz? quite. 00:34 < imphasing_> Cool.. 00:34 < virtualball2> navaburo, do you have linux on it? 00:34 < imphasing_> Someone wrote an application that uses it? 00:35 < navaburo> not yet 00:35 < courtc> imphasing_: your toolchain has an arm libz in it. 00:35 < imphasing_> ah 00:35 < virtualball2> navaburo, is your screen color or B&w? 00:35 < navaburo> i messed around with linux on my friend's 1stG.... 00:35 < navaburo> bw 00:36 < virtualball2> then you can install it...which OS linux, Mac, or Windows? 00:36 < navaburo> pc os? linux (regrettably winxp also) 00:36 < courtc> imphasing_: mpd has libz support, as well as hotdog 00:36 < JohnNy64-konik> ehm... do I still have to use the -3 switch with make_fw? 00:37 < imphasing_> courtc: Ah, cool.. 00:37 < virtualball2> well its good that you have win xp (cant believe i just said that) cuz there are A LOT of apps to automaticaly install linux on your iPod 00:37 < courtc> JohnNy64-konik: -g 00:37 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing_: how's mame going? 00:37 < imphasing_> So you could store all the hotdog datafiles in a gzip file, and it could decompress them? 00:37 < JohnNy64-konik> ah (-: thx (-: 00:37 < navaburo> ok 00:37 < navaburo> what is your suggestion for the cleanest way to install? 00:37 < imphasing_> BHSPitLappy: I'm working on building the I86 part 00:37 < navaburo> i hear mixed messages... 00:37 < BHSPitLappy> manual install from linux, navaburo 00:38 < imphasing_> Or I was, before I was torn from my linux computer 00:38 < aegray> reading the wiki 00:38 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing_: gruesome 00:38 < navaburo> ok, i will give the manual install a try 00:38 < courtc> -->mame is gruesome.<-- 00:39 < virtualball2> navaburo, i say just use an app if you dont know unix 00:39 < imphasing_> courtc: How true you are.. 00:39 < virtualball2> BHSPitMonkey, i have a question about 5G...again lol 00:39 < imphasing_> I should be able to support "all" mame games for that version, eventually. 00:40 < imphasing_> but "support" means it will open them, and maybe run them 00:40 < imphasing_> :) 00:40 < navaburo> virtualball, i am fairly proficient with *nix, but i will take your advice and use an app for the first attempt. 00:40 < virtualball2> ok cool 00:41 < BHSPitLappy> virtualball2: suck it up 00:41 < BHSPitLappy> navaburo: do you not have access to linux? 00:41 < navaburo> i am in linux now... 00:41 < virtualball2> aw lol 00:41 < BHSPitLappy> good 00:41 < BHSPitLappy> navaburo: ipodlinux.org/installation_from_linux 00:42 < virtualball2> BHSPitMonkey, wouldnt it be easier for his first attempt to use an automatic install program? 00:43 < JohnNy64-konik> maybe... 00:43 < JohnNy64-konik> and maybe not. 00:44 < JohnNy64-konik> anyway, in Linux you have more possibilities... 00:45 < imphasing_> More possibilities to screw up 00:45 < imphasing_> :) 00:45 < navaburo> and more possibilities for failur 00:45 < BHSPitLappy> virtualball2: he's a linux user. 00:46 < JohnNy64-konik> but if you read carefully the instructions, you can't screw it up... 00:46 < BHSPitLappy> 1) people already on linux aren't retarded. they can read. 00:46 < BHSPitLappy> 2) I don't think there are any "installers" for linux atm 00:46 < BHSPitLappy> 3) It's dirt simple. 00:46 < navaburo> thankyou all 00:46 < BHSPitLappy> 4) navaburo, go for it :) 00:46 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 00:46 < virtualball2> ya..i guess it would be better to have him learn...BUT that depends...does he want to learn? 00:46 < navaburo> i will give the linux install a try 00:47 < BHSPitLappy> there's no way you can brick the ipod anyway 00:47 < JohnNy64-konik> virtualball2: why not...? 00:47 < BHSPitLappy> virtualball2: not everyone is as slow as you are ;) 00:47 < BHSPitLappy> jk 00:47 < virtualball2> haha 00:47 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 00:47 < virtualball2> depends if he just want games on it or if he wants to learn 00:47 < BHSPitLappy> but you can't speak for others... 00:48 < navaburo> ok, very good. I just wanted to make sure i was incharted teritory! sometimes i read these how too's and it seems that noone has used them before. But i get good vibes from ya'll 00:48 < BHSPitLappy> navaburo: just go by the wiki and you can't go wrong. 00:48 < navaburo> one more question, kind of random, but what distro do you all use for your desktop pc. 00:49 < navaburo> i have been flip-flopping, each distro has this supposed cult following... 00:49 < virtualball2> Mac OS X and Ubuntu Linux Breezy Badger...sadly just by the live CD 00:49 < JohnNy64-konik> Debian testing 00:49 < imphasing_> PLD 00:49 < imphasing_> :) 00:49 < navaburo> debian sarge> 00:49 < navaburo> ? 00:49 < imphasing_> And I'll not miss a chance to plug my favorite distro 00:50 < JohnNy64-konik> sarge isn't very up-to-date... 00:50 < virtualball2> PLD? 00:50 < Nappers> hmm, for what it's worth, I use debian testing/unstable/experimental... with a few things I compiled myself :-) 00:51 < imphasing_> virtualball2: "PLD Linux Distrobution" 00:51 -!- ``Respect [n=norman@CPE004005bdc2f2-CM000f212f9991.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:51 < navaburo> a 00:51 < JohnNy64-konik> Nappers: yes, that's the best solution (-: 00:51 < virtualball2> Oh ok 00:51 < imphasing_> I stay away from debian 00:51 < imphasing_> :) 00:52 -!- jonrelay [n=jonrelay@66-214-200-107.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:52 < navaburo> imphasing, so you use an rpm based system? 00:52 < JohnNy64-konik> rpm sux 00:52 < imphasing_> navaburo: Yes. 00:53 < imphasing_> JohnNy64-konik: You obviously know jack. 00:53 < imphasing_> :) 00:53 < imphasing_> I won't argue about distros in here though 00:53 < navaburo> yea, sorry to get off topic. bad move on my part, but the flame wars in the distro forums arn't as helpful 00:53 < navaburo> thx for the suggestions 00:53 < imphasing_> True that. 00:54 < JohnNy64-konik> but if you ask this question you always get a flamewar (-: 00:54 < JohnNy64-konik> almost (-: 00:54 < imphasing_> There's always some dope that says something like, "* sux", and makes everyone mad. 00:54 < navaburo> linux sux 00:54 < navaburo> ahhhhhhhh 00:54 < JohnNy64-konik> imphasing_: (-: 00:54 < imphasing_> JohnNy64-konik: Uh huh.. 00:54 < navaburo> lol, j/k, lay down your weapons 00:55 < courtc> offtopic sucks. 00:55 < imphasing_> Yes. 00:55 * BHSPitLappy has already killed navaburo, so there's no more weapons to lay down. 00:55 < josh_> yes, yes it does. 00:55 < BHSPitLappy> josh_: seeing you opped so many days in a row is troublesome :S 00:55 < BHSPitLappy> it's so unfamiliar :( 00:56 < BHSPitLappy> lol 00:56 -!- navaburo [n=navaburo@nj-71-48-106-232.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:56 < josh_> BHSPitLappy: I generally get opped whenever there's a reason for it and deopped whenever I get pinged out or chanserv restarts. 00:56 < BHSPitLappy> yeh 00:56 < josh_> both my connection and services' has been good, so I've stayed +o. 00:57 < BHSPitLappy> kick/ban functions could just be through iplbot at some point 00:57 * imphasing_ uses josh's screenlock program when he leaves his computer 00:57 < imphasing_> :) 00:57 < BHSPitLappy> although he isn't -always- reliable :P 00:57 < josh_> nope, davidc__ doesn't trust him. 00:57 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing: wha? 00:58 < imphasing_> The program josh wrote when he was like, a fetus. 00:58 < courtc> I take my battery every time I leave my computer. 00:58 < imphasing_> It locks the screen. 00:58 < josh_> haha 00:58 < courtc> I take my computer every time I leave my computer. 00:58 < courtc> err.. I don't leave my computer. 00:58 < imphasing_> haha 00:59 < courtc> security is useless without lock and key. 00:59 < imphasing_> How much ram is available on the ipod for practical usage, while iPL is running? 00:59 < BHSPitLappy> locks are pointless. 00:59 < BHSPitLappy> if someone wants through one, they get through. 00:59 < imphasing_> courtc: It's just to keep the parents from futzing with my computer. 01:00 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing: same here 01:00 < courtc> BHSPitLappy: not that kind of lock ;) 01:00 < imphasing_> They think linux is "for the big bad hackers" though, so it's not a big issue. 01:00 < BHSPitLappy> courtc: gurrrh 01:00 < courtc> like a computer safe. 01:01 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 01:01 < BHSPitLappy> josh oreman invented the c-section when he coded his way out of the womb. 01:01 < josh_> hahahahahahahahaha 01:01 < josh_> no. 01:01 < courtc> You mean out of the manufacturing plant. 01:02 < BHSPitLappy> lol 01:02 < BHSPitLappy> right 01:02 * courtc ducks. 01:02 * josh_ throws something at courtc 01:02 < josh_> darn it, too late 01:02 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has joined #ipodlinux 01:02 < BHSPitLappy> josh_ was neither born nor manufactured; he is merely a manifestation of knowledge accumulated by man since the beginning of time. 01:03 < imphasing_> Or, since man invented the modern computer, 15 years ago 01:03 < imphasing_> :) 01:03 < josh_> haha 01:03 < ai2097> BHSPitLappy: He would be much less substantial if that were the case. I think we're starting to make negative knowledge these days... 01:03 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing: that event only finally gave him a medium of communication with the world 01:04 < BHSPitLappy> s/him/IT/ 01:04 < ai2097> And so is born The Cult of Josh. 01:04 < BHSPitLappy> lol 01:04 < imphasing_> Is it possible to keep ~10mb of data in ram while iPL is running? 01:04 -!- BHSPitLappy was kicked from #ipodlinux by josh_ [Enough! (you can come back)] 01:04 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=steve-o@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:04 < BHSPitLappy> so, iPods. 01:04 < BHSPitLappy> *cough* 01:04 < josh_> okay, very funny, ha ha ha, but joke's off. 01:05 < courtc> imphasing_: yes, but chunk it up into 1000kb sections 01:05 < imphasing_> ah. 01:05 < imphasing_> Someone said something about using gzip to "compress" videos, and I was thinking you could uncompress 5mb blocks at a time, and uncompress one block while the previous was playing. 01:06 < imphasing_> I doubt that 5mb of video would play long enough to give the next block time to decompress though. 01:06 < BHSPitLappy> indeed 01:06 < josh_> 5mb of video is 220*176*2*15 bytes 01:06 < imphasing_> You'd probably have to write some block oriented compression alogorithm though 01:06 < courtc> um. the problem is not on how to compress/decompress it, it's on how to do it while playing a video. 01:06 < BHSPitLappy> I've seen this idea shot down by the devs before 01:06 < josh_> er, that's wrong. 01:06 < josh_> I mean 5 seconds of video is that many bytes :-) 01:06 < ai2097> Well, gzip seems to be very fast + stream friendly. Do we really need a whole 5MB chunk at one time? 01:06 < josh_> lzop? 01:07 < imphasing_> ah.. 01:07 < josh_> er, 1 second 01:07 < imphasing_> ai2097: You only have 32mb of ram 01:07 < josh_> 1 second ~= 1MB 01:07 < courtc> yea lzo is a good candidate. 01:07 < imphasing_> And writing to the hard drive would be slow 01:07 < BHSPitLappy> flash ftw! 01:07 < ai2097> ... 01:07 < imphasing_> I wonder if 5mb of data could be decompressed in 5 seconds.. 01:08 < courtc> There is no writing involved in playing video. 01:08 < imphasing_> courtc: Don't you have to write the data to ram, then play it? 01:08 < courtc> < imphasing_> And writing to the hard drive would be slow 01:08 < BHSPitLappy> ram == hard drive? 01:08 < BHSPitLappy> :P 01:09 < imphasing_> courtc: You could just stream the uncompressing data to the lcd? 01:09 < ai2097> BHSPitLappy: Yeah. Didn't you get the memo? 01:09 < imphasing_> Without storing it in ram, or some such? 01:09 < BHSPitLappy> ai2097: you're forgetting the time zone difference. 01:09 < ai2097> BHSPitLappy: Aaah. That must be it. 01:09 < courtc> imphasing_: OMG, can you read? read the past 10mins of logs over again. 01:09 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing: wouldn't you need to do some serious speed regulation there? 01:10 < imphasing_> courtc: Er.. 01:10 < courtc> do it! 01:10 < ai2097> Hmm. Just out of curiosity, does the iPod have a DMA controller kicking around somewhere? 01:10 < BHSPitLappy> start from my kick :P 01:11 < imphasing_> It's not revealing anything about what to do with the uncompressed video freshly streamed out of the archive.. 01:11 * courtc coughs and points at aegray 01:11 -!- forceflow1049 [n=chatzill@pool-71-114-135-122.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:11 < courtc> imphasing_: and I never said anything about that. 01:11 < imphasing_> You said "There's no writing involved in playing video" 01:12 -!- Laptricity [i=timbet__@149.169.23.236] has joined #ipodlinux 01:12 < josh_> ai2097: yes. 01:12 < courtc> IN RESPONCE TO ---------> < imphasing_> And writing to the hard drive would be slow <------------ 01:12 < josh_> but we don't exactly know how to use it yet 01:12 < BHSPitLappy> *response 01:12 < josh_> aegray was working on it a while ago 01:12 < courtc> yes, response. 01:12 < imphasing_> courtc: I was talking about using the hard drive in lieu of ram, so you could decompress larger segments.. 01:13 < josh_> imphasing_: that would be so slow it's not funny 01:13 < imphasing_> Right. 01:13 < imphasing_> Which is why I said that. 01:13 < BHSPitLappy> "Buffering..." 01:13 < courtc> oh, swapping.. 01:13 < courtc> ugh. 01:13 < imphasing_> So you couldn't decompress blocks larger than, say, 25mb 01:13 < courtc> swapping is nasty. 01:13 < imphasing_> Yeah, I figured.. 01:13 < josh_> esp on an MMUless system... 01:13 < imphasing_> heh.. 01:14 < josh_> (well, practically MMUless) 01:14 < ai2097> Indeed. I still don't see how MPD can run without bringing the whole thing down :p. 01:14 < BHSPitLappy> how much difference would gzipping an avi make, anyway 01:14 < imphasing_> If you had a decompression method that would stream the bytes exactly in order they need to be played, you could maybe do it without storing anything, but that would probably not work. 01:14 < imphasing_> I may be spouting hot air here. 01:14 < imphasing_> I don't think you can execute instructions if they aren't in ram. 01:14 < imphasing_> :) 01:15 < courtc> XIP, :P 01:15 < courtc> which, is semi-ironically, half in ram anyway. 01:16 < imphasing_> haha.. 01:16 < imphasing_> can the ARM XIP? 01:16 < courtc> sure. 01:16 < josh_> look up XIP before you jump to any conclusions 01:16 < josh_> it stands for eXecute In Place 01:16 < ai2097> The drive just puts a 512 byte block out to the bus. I think it would be a bit difficult to execute it as it comes in... especially if your instructions happen to do a STR or LDR. 01:17 < imphasing_> I know what it means, but it sounds like something the hardware needs to be able to do. 01:17 < imphasing_> Not just a software things. 01:17 < josh_> imphasing_: it's a software thing 01:17 < imphasing_> s/things/thing/ 01:17 < josh_> it just means stuff can run from ROM 01:17 < courtc> it's a just a flag in the exec 01:17 < ai2097> More or less. ROM is slow, though; it usually gets shadowed up to RAM for performance. 01:17 < imphasing_> I thought the processor could only retrieve instructions from ram.. 01:17 < josh_> ai2097: plus the fact that the data comes in 2 bytes at a time, one after another, at the same address... 01:17 < josh_> (on IDE at least) 01:18 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:18 < courtc> it's for extremely low ram embedded devices. 01:18 < josh_> yep, so only .data and .bss need to be put in RAM 01:18 < josh_> .text can be ROMmed 01:18 < imphasing_> Huh.. 01:19 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:19 < josh_> imphasing_: it's all just "memory" to the processor 01:19 < ai2097> Yay for MMIO. 01:19 < josh_> read chapter 6 of that ARM7TDMI reference 01:19 < josh_> plus the explanations of LDR and STR instructions in chapter 4 01:19 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:19 < josh_> it's highly illustrative, if your head doesn't explode reading it. 01:19 < imphasing_> So even the hard drive appears as an address to the processor? 01:19 < josh_> yes, but you can't just read from it like you can read from memory 01:20 < josh_> you have to send it commands, etc. 01:20 < imphasing_> ah 01:20 < josh_> I think it takes up 8 bytes of memory space in total... 01:20 -!- saber_ [n=knoppix@c-24-23-174-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:20 < imphasing_> I need a hard copy of the ARM7TDMI manual.. 01:20 < josh_> might be 8 words, can't remember. 01:20 < imphasing_> For bedtime reading 01:20 < imphasing_> :) 01:20 < josh_> get the ARM ARM instead 01:20 < ai2097> imphasing_: That's what a printer is fore. 01:20 < saber_> anyone ever have problems with their nano keeping charge? i bought it like three weeks ago and i seem to be having problems 01:20 < imphasing_> My printer is circa ~1985 01:21 < courtc> dot matrix?!!? 01:21 < imphasing_> haha 01:21 < josh_> imphasing_: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201737191/sr=8-1/qid=1140744058/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-9134898-3200958?%5Fencoding=UTF8M <-- that thing 01:21 < imphasing_> not that old 01:21 < ai2097> imphasing: So much the better, if it's one of those chain-fed monstrosities that does an obscene number of CPS :p. 01:21 < imphasing_> but it's pretty old. 01:21 < courtc> oh :( 01:21 < virtualball2> my video's audio playback seems nowhere near 18 hours saber_ 01:21 < imphasing_> It's a tremendously slow bubble jet 01:21 < imphasing_> josh_: Oooh, cool.. 01:21 < imphasing_> I'll have to buy that 01:21 < imphasing_> :) 01:21 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing_: but yeah, gzip seems to barely affect the size of my videos, anyway 01:21 < josh_> it's actually a lot better than the ARM7TDMI spec 01:22 < imphasing_> does it have information on some of the arm procs? 01:22 < saber_> virtualball, well my problem is a bit different. i'll plug in my ipod nano for hours (it says "do no disconnect")... then i'll remove it, and immediately it says that it has no power 01:22 < josh_> imphasing_: yep, it should 01:22 < josh_> check the TOC with amazon 01:22 < virtualball2> nope, i dont have that problem 01:22 < BHSPitLappy> saber_: reboot it, and see what the battery status is 01:23 < BHSPitLappy> mine says that when I yank out the cord unexpectedly 01:23 < BHSPitLappy> just because I confused it 01:23 < virtualball2> haha 01:23 < BHSPitLappy> (not during a write, of course) 01:23 < courtc> the arm:arm is the only one I can't get easily :/ 01:23 < ai2097> ARM ARM is available free from some company as a soft download... the ARM7TDMI spec is available free from ARM itself. 01:23 < saber_> is it ok to disconnect an ipod while it is rebooting? 01:23 < josh_> ai2097: where can you get the ARM ARM for free? 01:23 < ai2097> Let me look up the link. 01:23 < josh_> as for the ARM7TDMI spec, I know, I have that on my hd :-) 01:24 < courtc> do tell! 01:24 -!- t0mu [n=t0mu@68-188-69-126.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:24 < imphasing_> Yes, I'm all ear-- er, eyes. 01:24 * courtc rents the redbook on occasion. 01:24 < josh_> courtc: which one is the most useful if I want to learn how to optimize stuff most effectively? 01:25 < josh_> (of the red, the blue, and the ARM ARM) 01:25 * imphasing_ knows someone that owns the whole X11R5 library, or ~20 books 01:25 < courtc> josh_: not too sure, they all put me to sleep equally ; 01:25 < courtc> ) 01:25 < ai2097> josh_: http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2003-December/018764.html 01:26 < imphasing_> "Page not found" 01:26 < imphasing_> :) 01:26 < ai2097> imphasing: My link? 01:26 < imphasing_> no, the one embeded in it 01:26 < imphasing_> for the actual download 01:27 < imphasing_> time to go home 01:27 < imphasing_> :) 01:27 < courtc> josh_: probably the red iirc. 01:27 -!- imphasing_ [n=a766a239@yossman.net] has quit ["home!"] 01:27 < ai2097> Oh, that's right. 01:27 < ai2097> It's still on their site, the link moved. 01:27 < ai2097> http://www.altera.com/literature/third-party/ddi0100e_arm_arm.pdf 01:28 -!- Mark__ [n=Mark@ACBD2676.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:28 < josh_> yay! thanks! 01:28 < ai2097> Sure thing :0 01:28 < ai2097> *:) 01:28 < courtc> awesome! 01:29 < ai2097> I didn't know anyone else was having a hard time finding it, otherwise I would've piped up sooner... 01:30 -!- Beanman [n=Beanman@69-174-125-202.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:30 < ai2097> josh_: The ARM7TDMI is going to be what you want for optimization, though. 01:30 < ai2097> It tells you the types of bus cycles that each instruction/instruction class causes. 01:30 < josh_> yeah, I already have most of the cycle times from that memorized - they come in handy 01:31 < josh_> (and they're not hard to remember - most times it's just 1S) 01:31 < virtualball2> so BHSPitMonkey, Ive been going crazy trying to find out how to use fdisk correctly...ive restored 6 times and am asking you, can you please tell me the command used to create a 3rd partition? 01:31 < ai2097> I'd say most times are 1I, with the "S" happening in the background as the op prefetch :p. 01:31 < josh_> ai2097: it's listed as 1S though 01:32 < ai2097> But that gets into splitting hairs. The really interesting cycles are N. 01:32 < josh_> yeah 01:32 < josh_> and they take ~2x as long, or more if memory is being slow 01:32 < ai2097> That's where I comes to the rescue ;). 01:32 < JohnNy64-konik> virtualball2: man fdisk? 01:33 < virtualball2> ya i tried that lol but i always end up screwing up 01:33 -!- joecool|et [n=joecool@no-sources/joecool] has quit ["bblk"] 01:33 < virtualball2> i dont know how to split my ms-dos partition and turn that other partiton into linux 01:33 -!- bryan [n=Bryan@c-67-168-77-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:33 -!- ``Respect [n=norman@CPE004005bdc2f2-CM000f212f9991.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:34 < ai2097> Woah, gotta move into the classroom now; brb. 01:34 < JohnNy64-konik> virtualball2: then... http://ipodlinux.org/Installation_from_Linux - everything is written there... 01:34 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has quit ["Moving..."] 01:34 < virtualball2> thanks 01:35 -!- bryan_ [n=Bryan@c-67-168-77-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:35 -!- bryan_ [n=Bryan@c-67-168-77-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 01:43 -!- SpeTIX [n=SpeTIX@host14-6.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has quit ["Client exiting"] 01:47 < virtualball2> why when im using pdisk does it say that the iPod is not partitioned? 01:48 < JohnNy64-konik> fdisk? 01:48 < virtualball2> no im using pdisk, it is a menu style version of fdisk but ya its like fdisk 01:50 < linuxstb> Have you got a FAT32 ipod? 01:51 < JohnNy64-konik> well, I know only fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk and parted (-: 01:52 < virtualball2> yes 01:52 -!- theauthor [n=theautho@m615e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:52 < BHSPitLappy> does .MOD not play from the pz0 filebrowser? 01:52 < linuxstb> pdisk is a Mac OS program for partitioning disks with Apple partitions... 01:52 < virtualball2> oh...haha lol 01:53 < linuxstb> As can be seen from the man page: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man8/pdisk.8.html 01:53 < JohnNy64-konik> ok (-: 01:54 < virtualball2> ya i manned it and it just says standard apple partitioning scheme 01:54 < virtualball2> well then how would i use fdisk? Cuz it is different on mac then it is on Linux 01:55 < JohnNy64-konik> the question is if mac fdisk can handle PC-style partition tables... 01:55 < BHSPitLappy> is it really... 01:56 < jonrelay> veteran: ping 01:56 < JohnNy64-konik> because apparently pdisk cannot... 01:56 < BleuLlama> BHSPitLappy: .mod files you need mikmodpodzilla, and i don't think it's worked since mid summer of last year... 01:56 < BleuLlama> some kernel changes made it stop working. :( 01:56 < BHSPitLappy> oh 01:56 < courtc> jonrelay: what's up? 01:56 < BleuLlama> and i'm too much of a lazy bastard to fix it 01:56 < BleuLlama> apparently 01:56 < BHSPitLappy> mpd doesn't play them either, then? 01:56 < BleuLlama> ^^^^^^^^^^ look, courtc... i spelled it right 01:56 < jonrelay> courtc: The module repository is giving me permission denied errors. 01:56 < courtc> woo! 01:56 < BleuLlama> nope. mpd doesn't play it 01:56 < courtc> josh_: ^ 01:57 < virtualball2> aww this sucks :-P 01:57 < BHSPitLappy> BleuLlama: should I change the "check" to an "X" under "Podzilla" on the codec table then? 01:57 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-165-108.houston.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:57 < courtc> the mpd folks hate mikmod's code. 01:57 < BleuLlama> url? 01:57 < virtualball2> im just gunna keep rockbox on it till HFS+ support 01:57 < BHSPitLappy> Project Status 01:57 < BleuLlama> courtc: rightfuly so. 01:57 < BleuLlama> it works, and it works well, but it's not the funnest code to work with 01:58 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-165-108.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:58 < josh_> jonrelay: what errors? 01:58 < josh_> veteran: 17:56 < jonrelay> courtc: The module repository is giving me permission denied errors. 01:58 < jonrelay> Warning: mkdir(factor-2.1): Permission denied in /www/ipodlinux.org/extensions/Module-extension.php on line 517 01:58 < jonrelay> Warning: chdir(): No such file or directory (errno 2) in /www/ipodlinux.org/extensions/Module-extension.php on line 518 01:58 < jonrelay> Same as usual. 01:58 < BleuLlama> nah, it says to see mikmodpodzilla, that's fine 01:58 -!- ``Respect [n=norman@CPE004005bdc2f2-CM000f212f9991.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:58 < josh_> veteran: been messing with users again? :-) [see a few lines above] 01:58 < BHSPitLappy> the "Podzilla" part was misleading :( 01:59 < courtc> don't think he's 'round. 01:59 < courtc> email is usually the best... 01:59 < courtc> >>p< yeah 02:00 < BHSPitLappy> sorry 02:00 < BHSPitLappy> but that kind of exactitude only validates my point that having a check under "podzilla" for .mod was misleading 02:00 < BHSPitLappy> and it is capitalized on that table 02:00 -!- virtualball2 [n=virtualb@ACA65E76.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["virtualball2 has no reason"] 02:01 < courtc> well it's wrong. 02:02 < BleuLlama> oh. i understand 02:02 < BleuLlama> yeah 02:02 < BleuLlama> just change that check to an X 02:02 < BHSPitLappy> k 02:02 < BleuLlama> leave the rest in place for that line 02:02 < BHSPitLappy> and I'll get the capitalization too 02:02 < jonrelay> Everything else in the header is capitalized. 02:02 < courtc> Faq_for_stupid_people -> Noob_FAQ ? 02:02 < BleuLlama> this is annoying. my connection drops outgoing every so often. Incoming is fine 02:03 < BleuLlama> courtc: good idea 02:03 -!- Lex [i=lex@vil.kas.tut.fi] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:03 -!- Lex [i=lex@vil.kas.tut.fi] has joined #ipodlinux 02:03 < imphasing> Woo, free ARM ARM 02:03 -!- Lex [i=lex@vil.kas.tut.fi] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:03 < imphasing> :) 02:03 * josh_ currently on page A2-31 02:03 < imphasing> haha 02:03 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:03 < josh_> anyone know what the IMB sequence is for ARM7TDMI? 02:04 < courtc> jonrelay: That's not the point, we don't call Firefox fIrEfoX. 'podzilla' is the name of the app. 02:04 < imphasing> I read something about IMB in the ARM7TDMI ref manual.. 02:04 < josh_> imphasing: ah really? where? 02:04 < BleuLlama> jonrelay: everything else is proper capitalized. podzilla is always lowercase 02:04 < imphasing> I don't remember the section.. 02:04 < imphasing> :( 02:04 < BleuLlama> look at LaTeX 02:04 < BleuLlama> (i think i got that right) 02:04 < imphasing> I could also be wrong. 02:04 < jonrelay> I refuse to be grammatically incorrect. 02:05 < JohnNy64-konik> Did anybody get mpd on pz2 to work? 02:05 < josh_> BleuLlama: you got it right for an ascii display 02:05 < BleuLlama> whoo 02:05 < BleuLlama> yeah. i couldn't super/sub script any ofit 02:05 < courtc> jonrelay: by calling something by its name? 02:05 < imphasing> JohnNy64-konik: Works for me 02:05 < josh_> but really the A is higher, smaller, and on top of the horiz bar of the L, and the E is lowered and shoved in toward the T a bit... 02:05 < BleuLlama> +' ' 02:05 < josh_> it's insane. 02:05 < josh_> and don't even get me started on AmSTeX 02:05 < BleuLlama> yah 02:05 < jonrelay> We speak English, not C. English is not case sensitive. Podzilla and podzilla are the same thing. 02:05 < JohnNy64-konik> imphasing: how??? 02:05 < imphasing> I've never heard of AmSTeX.. 02:05 * imphasing googles 02:06 < imphasing> JohnNy64-konik: Follow the instructions? 02:06 < JohnNy64-konik> imphasing: where? 02:06 < JohnNy64-konik> imphasing: who? 02:06 < imphasing> Most developers aren't blatent liers, so they won't mislead you. 02:06 < JohnNy64-konik> imphasing: who's dead? 02:06 < BHSPitLappy> BleuLlama: how's that. 02:06 < imphasing> :) 02:06 < courtc> jonrelay: so microsoft is the name of the company? I always thought it was Microsoft. 02:06 < imphasing> http://ipodlinux.org/Mpd 02:07 < BleuLlama> it used to be MicrSoft years ago 02:07 < BleuLlama> but it's Microsoft now 02:07 < imphasing> Yeah, the logo from Windows 1.0 was creepy 02:07 < imphasing> :) 02:07 < courtc> that's ipodlinux.org/MPD 02:07 < BHSPitLappy> jonrelay: so, podzilla == PodZilla ? ;) 02:07 < BleuLlama> looks good spit lappy 02:07 < BHSPitLappy> the hextradecimal version... :P 02:08 < BleuLlama> heh. podzillanano.com is locked 02:08 -!- Lex_ [i=lex@vil.kas.tut.fi] has joined #ipodlinux 02:08 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Heh... 02:08 < BHSPitLappy> haha 02:08 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Mind a PM? 02:08 < BleuLlama> porque? 02:08 < jonrelay> Mchenry != McHenry. mcHenry != McHenry. So podzilla != PodZilla and microsoft != Microsoft. 02:08 < BHSPitLappy> * Por que? 02:09 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Information concerning podzillanano 02:09 < imphasing> :) 02:09 < jonrelay> However, Tree == tree and House == house at the beginning of a sentence so Podzilla == podzilla. 02:09 < BleuLlama> BHSPitLappy: no. pronoinced "pork-ey" 02:09 < BleuLlama> ;) 02:09 < BleuLlama> imphasing: sure. 02:09 < BHSPitLappy> :P 02:09 < josh_> jonrelay: so would you say 02:09 < BHSPitLappy> BleuLlama: trendsetter. 02:09 < josh_> "Printf is a nice function" 02:09 < josh_> ? 02:10 < BHSPitLappy> lol 02:10 < jonrelay> I would write it like that, yes. 02:10 < courtc> but podzilla is a proper noun with a specified case. 02:10 -!- ATravelingGeek [n=wiz@rvtheglo.be] has joined #ipodlinux 02:10 < BHSPitLappy> because it can1 02:10 < BHSPitLappy> err 02:10 < jonrelay> Podzilla is a common noun grammatically. 02:10 < BHSPitLappy> s/1/!/ 02:11 < BHSPitLappy> since when is Podzilla a common noun?! 02:11 < jonrelay> I would usually rewrite the sentence so that "printf" wasn't the first word, though. 02:11 < BHSPitLappy> "Can I borrow a podzilla from you? I'm almost out." 02:11 -!- Laptricity [i=timbet__@149.169.23.236] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:11 < jonrelay> OK, so common noun punctuationally, not grammatically. 02:11 < jonrelay> *capitalizationally 02:11 < BHSPitLappy> nice word 02:12 < BleuLlama> are you using one of your TI methods to type those big words that quickly? 02:12 < BleuLlama> ;) 02:12 < courtc> hahaha 02:12 < BHSPitLappy> serial 02:12 < jonrelay> No, but I could. 02:12 < jonrelay> I have a Four-Button Keyboard layout for Mac OS X. 02:12 < BHSPitLappy> :P 02:12 < imphasing> You and your text input.. 02:12 < BleuLlama> imphasing: watch your mouth 02:13 < BleuLlama> TI is the new "clocks" 02:13 < jonrelay> "Can I borrow a podzilla from you?" is not that far off. 02:13 < BHSPitLappy> haha 02:13 < BleuLlama> i gotta add more clocks to catch up 02:13 < courtc> What if I say my name is "courtney Cavin" ? 02:13 < JohnNy64-konik> How do I set up the mpd module in pz2? 02:13 -!- quobl [n=quobl@tor/session/x-7900f6c5c1e2d07c] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:13 < jonrelay> "Which one? Podzilla 0? Podzilla 2? FloydZilla? There's a lot of podzillae." 02:13 < BleuLlama> although, anyone can add clocks via modules at this point, without hacking into the clocks.c module 02:13 < jonrelay> *There are 02:13 < imphasing> BleuLlama: The new "clocks"? 02:13 < BleuLlama> :D 02:13 < imphasing> :/ 02:14 < BleuLlama> yes. that is the proper name: The new "clocks" 02:14 < BHSPitLappy> jonrelay: "podzilla" is the name of a software. you don't refer to Firefoxes and vis as everyday objects. 02:14 < BleuLlama> no, 02:14 < imphasing> Er, I don't follow.. 02:14 < BleuLlama> like they say is the old 02:14 < jonrelay> You keep giving me examples of DEcapitalizing things. I'm talking about CAPitalizing things. Give me something I can use, please. 02:14 < BleuLlama> like "red is the new black" etc. 02:14 < imphasing> Ah, got it. 02:14 < courtc> podzillae is not a word btw. 02:15 < imphasing> There can be only one. 02:15 < jonrelay> It is now. By common usage. 02:15 < BHSPitLappy> since when was podzill-anything ever a word in English 02:15 < BleuLlama> hrm 02:15 < BHSPitLappy> ##english 02:15 -!- BHSPitLappy was kicked from #ipodlinux by BleuLlama [kick is still a word, eh?] 02:15 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=steve-o@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:15 < courtc> jonrelay: ask how many devs use the word. 02:15 < BleuLlama> yep. still a word 02:15 -!- quobl [n=quobl@tor/session/x-a8f2698364d88d75] has joined #ipodlinux 02:15 * BleuLlama runs away from BHSPitLappy 02:15 < courtc> zero. 02:15 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Good to know 02:15 < BHSPitLappy> BleuLlama: funny. 02:15 < imphasing> :) 02:15 < jonrelay> If there were multiple branches of Firefox, you'd probably be talking about Firefoxes. 02:16 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-o BleuLlama ] by BleuLlama 02:16 < imphasing> jonrelay: Each part of firefox would have its own name though 02:16 < imphasing> firefox-ubercool 02:16 < imphasing> firefox-neato 02:16 < imphasing> etc. 02:16 < jonrelay> It's Firefox, not firefox. 02:16 < jonrelay> ;) 02:16 -!- ``Respect [n=norman@CPE004005bdc2f2-CM000f212f9991.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ipodlinux 02:16 < BHSPitLappy> "Do you think we could live with ten jonrelays?" :P 02:16 < imphasing> You'd refer to them as "firefox" 02:16 < courtc> jonrelay: no, there are multiple branches of linux, but there aren't linuxes. 02:17 < BleuLlama> i believe the plural of jonrelay is "jonrelayen" 02:17 < BHSPitLappy> lol 02:17 < jonrelay> That's just because nobody has created a word for it. 02:17 < jonrelay> It would be "jonrelays," because the plural of "relay" is "relays." 02:17 < BleuLlama> oh, so you all know, this is quite possibly the stupidest discussion i've seen in here in months. 02:18 < BHSPitLappy> so because the plural of "ox" is "oxen," the plural of "box" is "boxen," "fox" "foxen," etc. :) 02:18 < BHSPitLappy> courtc started it. 02:18 < BleuLlama> and the proper plural of virus is "viruses" not "virii"... fyi 02:18 < BHSPitLappy> yeah 02:18 < BHSPitLappy> tell that to AOL commercials. 02:18 < jonrelay> No. jonrelay is a compound word, not just letters stuck on to the front. 02:18 < courtc> it's important that we all understand the the name of the application is 'podzilla' without a capital 'p', as dictated by the king himself. 02:19 < BleuLlama> the plural of BleuLlama is Yorgles 02:19 * BHSPitLappy pays tribute to the king 02:19 < BleuLlama> or would it be a Yorgle of BleuLlamas 02:19 < JohnNy64-konik> ROFL! 02:19 < BleuLlama> hrm 02:19 < BHSPitLappy> lol 02:19 < imphasing> "Jerries" 02:19 < imphasing> :) 02:19 < JohnNy64-konik> like small children (-: 02:19 < jonrelay> It's important that we all understand sentences and table headings start with capital letters. 02:19 < ``Respect> Who here has linux on there 5th gen ipod? because i am just wondering about the format command, for the /dev/sda2/ i saw a bit back that you were should use another command for this like -1 VFAT or somthin any one know? (here is the original command: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda2) 02:19 < BHSPitLappy> jonrelay: who made you king of grammar? 02:20 < BHSPitLappy> omg, a topical message! 02:20 -!- ATravelingGeek [n=wiz@rvtheglo.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:20 < BleuLlama> BHSPitLappy: i made him Duke of Power. 02:20 < jonrelay> Nobody, but I know it better than a lot of people. 02:21 < imphasing> josh_: Is there a specific "math.a" library or some such I should link in to get the sin() function? 02:21 < ``Respect> any one know the command? or if there is even an other command for that? 02:21 < JohnNy64-konik> ``Respect: try mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sda2 02:21 < ``Respect> thank you 02:21 < courtc> imphasing: that's what -lm is 02:21 < BHSPitLappy> jonrelay: So do I, but I also recognize the right of the computing world to use language as it suits itself. 02:22 < BHSPitLappy> umm 02:22 < imphasing> courtc: Yeah, that's what I thought.. 02:22 < jonrelay> Like leet? 02:22 -!- Lex_ is now known as Lex 02:22 * BHSPitLappy suddenly stops talking about this, in fear of op angriness 02:22 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o BleuLlama ] by ChanServ 02:22 < BHSPitLappy> s/angriness/anger/ ;) 02:22 * BleuLlama looks at BHSPitLappy 02:22 * BHSPitLappy looks back 02:22 < BHSPitLappy> you've had your fun. 02:23 < imphasing> Hah, that's where you're wrong. 02:23 < imphasing> The fun can continue! 02:23 -!- courtc changed the topic of #ipodlinux to: http://ipodlinux.org || 4G iPods and above are 02:23 < BHSPitLappy> !!! 02:23 < courtc> damn newlines 02:23 < BHSPitLappy> lol 02:23 * courtc fixes 02:24 < imphasing> sudo modprobe loop 02:24 < imphasing> D'oh 02:24 < imphasing> Wrong window 02:24 < imphasing> :) 02:24 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 02:24 < BHSPitMonkey> effing wireless. 02:24 < BleuLlama> sudo irssi 02:24 < BleuLlama> oop 02:24 < BleuLlama> i always run IRC as root 02:24 < BHSPitMonkey> BleuLlama: you can kick Lappy if you want. he's lagged out 02:25 -!- courtc changed the topic of #ipodlinux to: http://ipodlinux.org || 4G iPods and above are UNSUPPORTED, please be clueful when asking. (p)odzilla || Messed up iPod? /msg iplbot broken || Please ask before PMing || When asking for help, please state OS and iPod generation. || Development discussion: #ipodlinux-dev || Video of Hotdog @ http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/mirror/hotdog1.mp4 02:25 < imphasing> BleuLlama: hehe 02:25 -!- BHSPitLappy was kicked from #ipodlinux by BleuLlama [BleuLlama] 02:25 < BHSPitMonkey> yay. 02:25 * BHSPitMonkey just killed him. 02:26 < BleuLlama> maybe we need to have the bot send a -notice- to people who join with that info... the topic is getting... long 02:26 < BHSPitMonkey> or a Chanserv entrymsg, like all the other channels do nowadays 02:26 < courtc> it's shorter than it was before 02:26 < courtc> I always shorten it. 02:26 < BleuLlama> yeah. that too., . 02:27 < courtc> I hate chanserv entry msgs 02:27 < BHSPitMonkey> /msg chanserv set #ipodlinux entrymsg blahblahblah IIRC 02:27 < BHSPitMonkey> me too 02:27 < jonrelay> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(trademarks)#Trademarks_that_don.27t_begin_with_a_capital_letter 02:27 < BHSPitMonkey> but you only have to see it once 02:27 * BHSPitMonkey tries to validate that statement to himself... 02:28 -!- ``Respect [n=norman@CPE004005bdc2f2-CM000f212f9991.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:28 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=steve-o@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:29 < jonrelay> They all disagree with a lowercase letter at the beginning of a sentence for an all-lowercase mark. 02:29 < BHSPitMonkey> "they" don't dictate this project. 02:29 < courtc> jonrelay: regardless, we provide grammatical rules for our application name. 02:29 < BHSPitMonkey> jonrelay: why isn't your nick capitalized? 02:30 -!- jonrelay is now known as JonRelay 02:30 < imphasing> Woohoo, the entire MAME version compiled for ipod! 02:30 < imphasing> :D 02:30 < BHSPitMonkey> lol 02:30 < JonRelay> BHSPitLappy: What you say!!! 02:30 < BleuLlama> if you have a problem with it, jonrelay talk with leachbj 02:30 < BHSPitMonkey> We all know your last name isn't Relay. Give it up. 02:30 < BleuLlama> mame 0.18 02:30 < imphasing> BleuLlama: yeah 02:30 < BHSPitMonkey> imphasing: srsly? 02:30 < imphasing> um. 02:30 < imphasing> Yes. 02:31 < BleuLlama> imphasing: got it working with hotdog yet? (nano?) 02:31 < BHSPitMonkey> lol 02:31 < imphasing> I don't know if it actually works, but it compiles 02:31 < BleuLlama> heh 02:31 < BHSPitMonkey> lol 02:31 < BleuLlama> cool 02:31 < BHSPitMonkey> gj 02:31 < imphasing> BleuLlama: I've been trying to get the other dirvers working, but to no avail yet 02:31 < imphasing> I need to write a scaling blitter 02:31 < imphasing> :) 02:31 < BleuLlama> gotcha 02:31 < imphasing> Not sure how MAME makes the frambuffer data though 02:31 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/hotdog/hotdog_lcd.c: Make it work on the photo/color/nano, at least until I fix my asm. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/964) 02:32 < imphasing> :) 02:32 < josh_> ^ 1-byte change 02:32 * BHSPitMonkey is saddened by the nano's small screen in relativity to useful program sizes 02:32 < BHSPitMonkey> josh_: ...so do we need to test it, I suppose? :P 02:32 < josh_> BHSPitMonkey: nope, it worked before, remember? 02:32 < josh_> that was just changing back to the C driver for photo/color/nano 02:33 -!- JonRelay is now known as jonrelay 02:33 < BHSPitMonkey> ah 02:33 * BHSPitMonkey hopes jonrelay doesn't put auto-capitalization into TI, now 02:34 < jonrelay> I wouldn't force anything upon the user in a word processor; I'm not Microsoft. 02:34 -!- coob [i=pen0r@host-84-9-63-253.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 02:34 -!- saber_ [n=knoppix@c-24-23-174-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:35 < BHSPitMonkey> heh 02:35 < courtc> autoreplace! rly => really; sry => sorry 02:35 < BHSPitMonkey> that's fine 02:35 < BHSPitMonkey> :P 02:35 < BHSPitMonkey> in PodWrite only though 02:35 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 02:35 < BHSPitMonkey> (terminals crave exactitude) 02:36 < imphasing> s/crave/require/ 02:36 < BleuLlama> s/exactitude/tacos 02:36 < BHSPitMonkey> computers have cravings, don't they? 02:36 < BHSPitMonkey> lol 02:37 < JohnNy64-konik> in terminal there's nothing to be concatenated anymore... 02:37 < BHSPitMonkey> s/tacos/burritos/ 02:37 < BHSPitMonkey> nonsense 02:38 < BHSPitMonkey> I still think "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" should be shortcutted to "b" 02:38 < JohnNy64-konik> lol 02:38 < JohnNy64-konik> you can define an alias (-: 02:38 < JohnNy64-konik> or make a script... 02:39 < BHSPitMonkey> yeah, but the people at bash just don't feel the same way as I do 02:39 < JohnNy64-konik> but dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda is better... 02:39 < josh_> BHSPitMonkey: or, if you're feeling really insidous, alias it to "ls" 02:39 < josh_> or "sl" ;-) 02:39 < BHSPitMonkey> hahaha 02:40 < JohnNy64-konik> and you have need of it only once... when you destroy the windows partition (-: 02:40 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 02:40 < BHSPitMonkey> I should make that modification to a knoppix disk, and leave a bunch of them around a tech convention :P 02:40 < JohnNy64-konik> lol 02:40 < rmh3093> pacman is going to be so badass for the i pod i cant wait 02:40 < BHSPitMonkey> "Sweet! Free knoppix disc!" 02:40 < BHSPitMonkey> rmh3093: I thought it already was? 02:40 < rmh3093> already was bad ass 02:40 < courtc> mkdir \~ # <-- always good. 02:41 < rmh3093> or already on the ipod 02:41 < BHSPitMonkey> courtc: what's that, a mkdir bomb? 02:41 < BHSPitMonkey> rmh3093: both, simultaneously 02:41 < courtc> no. it just makes a dir called ~ 02:41 < BHSPitMonkey> I see 02:41 < JohnNy64-konik> courtc: and...? 02:42 < josh_> and then people try to rm -rf ~ 02:42 < courtc> :) 02:42 < BHSPitMonkey> lol 02:42 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 02:42 < rmh3093> i was thinking about was going to come out of MAME 02:42 < BHSPitMonkey> josh_: you sound like you've been on one end of this joke at some point 02:42 < rmh3093> hahah 02:42 < rmh3093> thats a good one 02:42 < rmh3093> i need to remember that 02:42 < josh_> BHSPitMonkey: nope 02:43 < josh_> however, creating a file named '-rf' is fun 02:43 < BHSPitMonkey> hahaha 02:43 < coob> rm -- -rf 02:43 < BHSPitMonkey> you'd think linux wouldn't sit by and allow these things to happen 02:43 < courtc> rm -rf # does nothing 02:43 < JohnNy64-konik> sudo -u root rm -rf / rules (-: 02:43 < josh_> coob: the intent is that it would hit when you do `rm *' 02:43 < coob> :) 02:44 < courtc> ah. 02:44 < BHSPitMonkey> lol 02:44 < josh_> JohnNy64-konik: anyone who thinks "-u root" does *anything* deserves to be rm'ed by that. 02:44 < jonrelay> mkdir \-rm\ \\ 02:44 < josh_> ;-) 02:44 < josh_> actually, I think I have a file in my homedir named `-i' 02:44 < josh_> for exactly that reason 02:44 < JohnNy64-konik> josh_: you never know what is set in sudoers... 02:44 < courtc> wow, nice.. 02:44 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 02:44 < BHSPitMonkey> very hacish 02:45 < BHSPitMonkey> s/hacish/hackish/ 02:45 * courtc takes josh's example 02:45 < josh_> and /home on my system is 0711 so `rm -rf /' will leave /home untouched 02:45 < BleuLlama> ever use a prgoram called "rr" 02:45 < BleuLlama> older unixes had it. 02:45 < BleuLlama> it's "russian roulette" 02:45 < courtc> haha 02:46 < BHSPitMonkey> didn't someone make a russian roulette game for iPL 02:46 < BleuLlama> it picks a program from /bin, and runs it with the options: -rf $HOME 02:46 < josh_> haha 02:46 < BHSPitMonkey> haha 02:46 < JohnNy64-konik> lol 02:46 < BHSPitMonkey> why would -any- distro want to include that :P 02:47 < JohnNy64-konik> who wouldn't want that? (-: 02:47 * BleuLlama misses 'hunt' 02:48 * imphasing had never heard of "ladybug" 02:48 < BleuLlama> ladybug is a fun one 02:48 < josh_> what does it do? 02:48 < BleuLlama> i believe it runs on galaga hardware, or at least it can 02:49 < imphasing> cool.. 02:49 < BleuLlama> http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=&game_id=8374 02:49 < imphasing> Looks a little like pacman.. 02:49 < imphasing> :) 02:50 < BleuLlama> that only brings up more questions 02:50 < BleuLlama> oops 02:50 < imphasing> Ok, someone name a random MAME game, and I'll test it out 02:50 < imphasing> :) 02:50 < BleuLlama> reactor 02:50 < BleuLlama> same sort of game. walk around a maze, but the walls move, and other things changed 02:51 < courtc> tempest! 02:51 < BleuLlama> (reactor wasn't in mame 0.18...) 02:51 < courtc> j/k 02:51 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Ah. 02:51 < imphasing> courtc: Haha.. 02:51 < BleuLlama> courtc: no vector games in 0.18 yet 02:51 < BleuLlama> how about centipede 02:51 < imphasing> Wouldn't want to usurp BleuLlama 02:51 -!- roflman [n=jwcgator@h11.162.213.151.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:51 < imphasing> Yeah, centipede isn't working real well yet.. 02:51 -!- roflman is now known as jwcgator 02:51 < BleuLlama> dude. Arcade Tempest trumps Vortex 02:51 < BleuLlama> no question 02:51 < imphasing> I may have a shoddy rom though 02:51 < BleuLlama> i hope to have a game a quarter as good as Tempest 02:52 < imphasing> I've never played it.. 02:52 < jwcgator> I just wanted to say, whoever made Poweroff_Beta is god :O 02:52 < imphasing> It looks fun with a joystick though 02:52 < imphasing> :) 02:52 < courtc> yes, bern does have superpowers. 02:53 < courtc> iirc he compiled the busybox. 02:53 < BHSPitMonkey> imphasing: space invaders? 02:53 < jwcgator> wow, cool 02:53 < imphasing> BleuLlama: You know what revision MAME uses for centipede? 02:53 < imphasing> BHSPitMonkey: I count galaxian as that 02:53 < imphasing> :P 02:54 < courtc> wtf doesn't linux have an 'open' command? 02:54 < BleuLlama> imphasing: hmm? 02:54 < jwcgator> now we just need a self destruct feature, so if someone is about to mug you, you can make ur nano BLOW UP :D 02:54 < BHSPitMonkey> imphasing: the simpsons? 02:54 < imphasing> BleuLlama: I suppose it varies from version to version 02:54 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has joined #ipodlinux 02:54 < courtc> jwcgator: I just carry around a grenade. 02:54 < BleuLlama> imphasing: i don't understand your question 02:54 < jwcgator> Blowing up > Compressed video any day 02:54 < imphasing> BleuLlama: There are several versions of centipede software 02:54 < BleuLlama> ah 02:54 < imphasing> first revision, second revision, etc. 02:55 < BleuLlama> pick one, name the files right, run it 02:55 < imphasing> doesn't seem to specify in the source 02:55 < BleuLlama> try different romsets 02:55 < imphasing> righto 02:55 < BleuLlama> they named the romsets differently between now and then 02:55 < BleuLlama> one of the wonderful crappinessities of mame 02:55 < BHSPitMonkey> imphasing: Defender 02:55 < BleuLlama> they kept changing rom names, and romset contents over time 02:56 < BleuLlama> BHSPitMonkey: dude. you'll need like 3 ipods for all the buttons you need for defender 02:56 < BleuLlama> ;) 02:56 < BHSPitMonkey> lol 02:56 < BHSPitMonkey> joust? 02:57 < imphasing> Stupid ostriches.. 02:57 < jwcgator> you have a potential 13 buttons on ipod, tap menu/play/FF/RW and Tap the corners of wheel, and then PRESSING the menu/play/FF/RW buttons and then there is select 02:57 < BleuLlama> joust would work well 02:57 < imphasing> er, however you spell that. 02:57 < BleuLlama> center button is flap, rotate left/rotate right -> move left/right 02:57 < BHSPitMonkey> jwcgator: taps don't get picked up on the nano yet (or 5G as well) 02:57 < BleuLlama> actually, that would work really well 02:57 < jwcgator> oh 02:57 < BHSPitMonkey> (I'm pretty sure.) 02:57 < jwcgator> lol 02:58 < BleuLlama> i don't remember which mame versin added the williams games 02:58 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Dose that version of MAME support joust? 02:58 < BleuLlama> joust/defender/sinistar/etc. 02:58 < BHSPitMonkey> does any dev know why taps don't get picked up? 02:58 < BleuLlama> i'll try to figure it out 02:58 < BleuLlama> gimme a few 02:58 < josh_> BHSPitMonkey: 5g too slow? 02:59 < josh_> ttk polls the scroll wheel for tap info, it might not be polling often enough 02:59 < BHSPitMonkey> josh_: is the information even getting through from the hardware? it doesn't work on the nano 02:59 < josh_> *cough* leachbj: put in that /dev/wheel patch *cough* 02:59 < BHSPitMonkey> (either) 02:59 < josh_> BHSPitMonkey: it works fine when interrupt-driven 02:59 < josh_> just not necessarily when polling 02:59 < imphasing> josh_: /dev/wheel? :o 02:59 < imphasing> Sounds cool 02:59 < imphasing> A wheel device! 02:59 < BHSPitMonkey> if I could use TI-Telephone Keypad, I'd be a happy camper :/ 02:59 < BleuLlama> in a ttk app/pz2 module, is it possible to know where a rotate event started from? 02:59 < josh_> search the archives of patches@ 03:00 < josh_> BleuLlama: nope, why? 03:00 < BleuLlama> it might be a nice thing to expose 03:00 < BleuLlama> i can think of something (that i want to try) that would use that 03:00 < josh_> yep, maybe 03:00 < josh_> thing is, currently ttk doesn't even *know* where it starts 03:00 < BHSPitMonkey> BleuLlama: the wheel does send that data, like in diag mode 03:01 -!- forceflow1049 [n=chatzill@pool-71-114-135-122.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:01 < BHSPitMonkey> yeah 03:01 < BleuLlama> josh_: gotcha. 03:01 < josh_> having /dev/wheel would enable the "user touches wheel" and "user takes finger off wheel" events to get through 03:01 < BHSPitMonkey> does the "patch" do that successfully? 03:01 < josh_> well, you have to know how to read /dev/wheel ;-) 03:02 < josh_> the info is in comments in the patch, I think 03:02 < BleuLlama> understood 03:02 < BleuLlama> does jonrelay do that in any TI modules? 03:02 < BHSPitMonkey> that sounds like a really good idea. 03:02 < BHSPitMonkey> do what? 03:04 < BleuLlama> looks like 0.24 was the first, but it wasn't accurate utnil 0.30 (MAME version supporting Joust/williams games 03:04 < BleuLlama> http://www.mame.net/whatsold.html 03:04 < BleuLlama> (Robotron, Splat, Defender, Joust, 03:04 < BleuLlama> Stargate, Bubbles, Blaster and Sinistar) 03:05 < BleuLlama> space invaders should work in 0.18 also 03:05 < BHSPitMonkey> I'm not even sure if I'd be able to use taps, with that iPod condom 03:05 < imphasing> wtf..centipede wants TWO roms named centiped.310.. 03:05 < imphasing> arrr 03:05 < BHSPitMonkey> lol 03:06 < imphasing> That's not even possible.. 03:06 < BleuLlama> BHSPitMonkey: do ny of the TI modules read the wheel to determine where you're hitting the wheel 03:06 < BleuLlama> (that was my question) 03:06 < BHSPitMonkey> Telephone Keypad does. 03:06 < josh_> BleuLlama: some of them use tap events, but that's it 03:06 < BHSPitMonkey> it divides the wheel into a cell phone keypad 03:06 < BleuLlama> ok 03:06 < BHSPitMonkey> (text-messaging) 03:08 < BleuLlama> imphasing: it's the same rom file being loaded twice 03:08 -!- jwcgator [n=jwcgator@h11.162.213.151.ip.alltel.net] has quit [] 03:08 < BleuLlama> look in drivers/centiped.c line 342 03:09 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Heh, yeah 03:10 < imphasing> now for the test! 03:11 < imphasing> Joy, still freezes 03:12 < Shadowarrior13> oooomygodHE'SBACK 03:12 < imphasing> I just get a fps counter that says, "003" 03:15 < imphasing> josh_: Would iPod_GetGeneration (in hotdog) be good for determining what lcd driver to use? 03:15 < josh_> imphasing: see HD_LCD_Update... it *is* used to determine what lcd driver to use :-) 03:15 < JohnNy64-konik> )-: I just got the malloc failed error with the latest nightly pz0 build... 03:17 < BHSPitLappy> then start alloc'ing your m's better 03:17 < imphasing> josh_: Does _HD_ARM_UpdatePhoto work? 03:18 < imphasing> And would someone with a nano mind doing some testing? (someone == someone who knows what they're doing) 03:18 < Beanman> lol 03:19 -!- Beanman [n=Beanman@69-174-125-202.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:19 < courtc> my ipod is all the way across the room... 03:20 < BleuLlama> whatcha got, imphasing? 03:20 < imphasing> Well..nothing yet 03:20 < imphasing> but hopefully soon 03:20 < BleuLlama> ok. 03:20 < imphasing> :) 03:20 < BleuLlama> i'm going afk in about 10-15 for about 30 mins or so 03:20 < BleuLlama> but i'll be back. 03:21 < imphasing> alrighty 03:21 < BHSPitLappy> hmm 03:21 < BHSPitLappy> someone in #rockbox made a function that grabs absolute positions from the wheel 03:22 < imphasing> josh_: Do I need to call HD_LCD_Init myself? 03:22 < courtc> our kernel driver turns absolute value into r's and l's 03:23 < BHSPitLappy> I thought that was movement 03:23 < BHSPitLappy> deviations in absolute position 03:23 -!- vanberge [n=vanberge@c-67-167-164-152.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:23 < courtc> not for 4gs 03:24 < courtc> uh.. iirc the hardware only sends absolute position 03:24 < BHSPitLappy> well how could, for example, the number "17" grabbed from the wheel (position) tell you anything as far as right and left 03:24 < vanberge> alright guys... i have a 5g, i've read alot, done alot of research, and i know my way around regular linux (using ubuntu now)... is a 5 g install realistic? and/or worth the attempt? :-) 03:24 < courtc> BHSPitLappy: we calculate it in the kernel. 03:24 < imphasing> If you feel like it, sure 03:24 < imphasing> it works 03:24 < BHSPitLappy> vanberge: why not 03:24 < imphasing> It's not really for end-users yet though 03:25 < vanberge> i think im going to try it.... 03:25 < vanberge> i have to get gcc tho 03:25 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 03:25 < BHSPitLappy> vanberge: #rockbox might be of interest as well 03:25 < courtc> 17 -> 16 == a left, etc. 03:25 < vanberge> i installed rockbox once. 03:25 < vanberge> i didnt like it 03:25 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Client exiting..."] 03:26 < BHSPitLappy> courtc: right, but do applications have access to the abs. values? 03:26 < JohnNy64-konik> 04:30... 03:26 < JohnNy64-konik> well... 03:26 < JohnNy64-konik> I think I'll go to bed... 03:26 < courtc> I'm pretty sure you can grab them, /dev/wheel is the best solution though. 03:27 -!- JohnNy64-konik [n=JohnNy64@gprs.t-mobile.sk] has quit ["ZZzzzzzzzz"] 03:27 < vanberge> BHSPitLappy, one thing im not sure of, does ipod have to be in diag mode? 03:27 < BHSPitLappy> vanberge: ... wha? 03:27 < vanberge> diagnostic disk mode.... hold middle and play when bootin 03:28 < courtc> that's just disk mode... 03:28 < courtc> there's a different diag mode. 03:28 < vanberge> oh ok... i thought anytime it said 'do not disconnect' it was in disk mode. 03:28 < courtc> ... 03:29 < BHSPitMonkey> that's correct. 03:29 * courtc shoots himself in the head. 03:29 < BHSPitMonkey> vanberge: reboot right now, and hold << and center 03:29 < vanberge> like right now, my ipod doesnt have a backlight... no graphics... jut black and white. 03:29 < BHSPitMonkey> do it. 03:30 < vanberge> ah... gotcha. 03:30 < imphasing> There's a chance mame could work on nano/photo/color now 03:30 < imphasing> :) 03:30 < imphasing> It might be blown up though.. 03:30 < imphasing> not sure 03:31 < BHSPitMonkey> we'll test. 03:31 < rmh3093> imphasing: does mame have that game 1946 where you fly the plane and blow crap up, its an over head view 03:32 < imphasing> no idea 03:32 < BHSPitMonkey> I like that one. 03:33 < BHSPitMonkey> I've been confusing atari and mame in my head tonight, though, so I've kept suggestions to myself :) 03:34 < vanberge> so do noobs like me come in here alot and say 'guys, help me' ? 03:34 < imphasing> ho ya 03:35 < vanberge> lol 03:35 < courtc> more than you can shake a stick at. 03:35 < vanberge> well, i'll try not to be annoying. im a windows sysadmin for a living. take that for what its worth :-) 03:35 < imphasing> Ok, someone needs to test the nano mame 03:35 < imphasing> :) 03:35 < imphasing> I can provide a free LEGAL rom (alpaca) for them to test with 03:35 < courtc> Almost everyone is a windows sysadmin. 03:36 < vanberge> courtc, i am a leet windows admin. 03:36 < courtc> I think even less of you now. 03:36 < vanberge> lol. 03:36 < vanberge> my old job was a *nix sysadmin 03:36 < vanberge> redhat and sco 03:36 < imphasing> woo 03:36 < courtc> That's better. 03:37 < vanberge> i know my way around the bash 03:37 < courtc> enough to make a bash bogosort? 03:37 * aegray yawns 03:37 < aegray> haha 03:37 < courtc> ;D 03:37 < aegray> the classic courtc test 03:38 < aegray> so many have tried - so many have failed 03:38 < vanberge> i dont think i know what a bogosort is. i mainly used bash for job automation and web page creation 03:38 < vanberge> lol 03:38 < aegray> `google bogosort 03:38 < iplbot> No match, apparently (bug). 03:39 < Nappers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogosort 03:39 < Nappers> :) 03:39 < aegray> iplbot: go fuck yourself 03:39 < iplbot> I'm off fucking yourself [from aegray] 03:39 < aegray> hmm 03:40 < BleuLlama> bogosort #1 03:40 < vanberge> arm uclinux elf tools. check. 03:40 < BleuLlama> imphasing: fire it at me 03:40 < BleuLlama> (test nano) 03:40 < courtc> fire one! 03:40 < BleuLlama> ptoooo 03:41 < BleuLlama> imphasing: hello 03:42 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing: has anyone tested it yet? 03:42 < BHSPitLappy> err, guess BleuLlama's in line 03:42 < aegray> what are you testing? 03:42 < BleuLlama> if this works, i'll be *really* tempted to take apart my nano, and turn it into a tiny, functional mame cabinet 03:42 < courtc> take a number. 03:42 < BleuLlama> mame nano 03:42 < aegray> cool 03:43 < BleuLlama> once imphasing wakes up 03:43 < imphasing> Ok, got it set up 03:43 < imphasing> :) 03:43 < BHSPitMonkey> I'll make a little stand for the nano that's painted like a pacman cabinet :P 03:43 < imphasing> http://imphasing.myvnc.com/mametest.tar.gz 03:43 < vanberge> quick question - for nightly kernel build, do i just need the bin.gz? 03:44 < aegray> where's the BOGOSORT??? 03:44 < courtc> no, MAKE SURE to get the .asc 03:44 < imphasing> There's a good chance it won't work at all 03:44 < imphasing> :) 03:44 < imphasing> But there's also the chance that it will 03:44 < vanberge> courtc - just the asc? 03:44 < imphasing> At least we'll know 03:44 < courtc> BOTH! 03:44 < vanberge> kk 03:45 < BleuLlama> fyi, imphasing, i give you the right to redistribute the roms for alpaca for these purposes 03:45 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [] 03:45 < BleuLlama> :) 03:45 < BleuLlama> like, from within your zip files. 03:45 < courtc> Yea, jackass. 03:45 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Heh, yeah...sorry. 03:45 < imphasing> :( 03:45 < imphasing> I sort of forgot about that 03:45 < imphasing> Aren't they GPL? 03:46 < BleuLlama> i dunno. i don't remember 03:46 < BleuLlama> it... doesn't quite work 03:46 < imphasing> I wasn't going to distribute them though; just give them to you all set up for easy testing 03:46 < imphasing> What -does- work? 03:46 < BleuLlama> right 1/3 of the screen is blue, black, white and flickering 03:46 < imphasing> Woo! 03:46 < courtc> you just did redistribute them. 03:46 < imphasing> That's the hardware "warming up" 03:46 < BleuLlama> it looks like it's trying to draw it, but something's scrogged. 03:47 < BleuLlama> no. it's not 03:47 < BleuLlama> i know what alpaca looks like 03:47 < imphasing> Oh yeah, it's alpaca.. 03:47 < BleuLlama> there's a skew in there 03:47 < imphasing> ok 03:47 < imphasing> courtc: But I redistributed it back to him 03:47 < imphasing> :) 03:47 < BleuLlama> it's close 03:48 < BHSPitMonkey> same result 03:48 < BHSPitMonkey> left third of the screen on blue-roids 03:48 < courtc> uh. I don't think that makes it better. 03:48 < vanberge> alrightey... my next question. what is svn command? 03:48 < imphasing> courtc: Yeah, probably not... My bad 03:48 < BleuLlama> but i give you the right, regardless of the license, to redistribute that romset with your mame bin for testing purposes 03:48 < courtc> `svn 03:48 < iplbot> svn is https://opensvn.csie.org/courtc/ [from courtc] 03:48 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Ok, thanks. 03:48 < imphasing> :) 03:48 < courtc> what are you co'ing? 03:49 < courtc> c'ingo ? 03:49 < imphasing> BleuLlama: There's no blitting, so it's possible that writing a frame larger than the screen could make it funky.. 03:49 < vanberge> ipl 2 03:49 < BHSPitMonkey> ipodloader2 or podzilla2? 03:49 < imphasing> Or would that just show part of the screen? 03:49 < BHSPitMonkey> there's no iPodLinux2. 03:49 < imphasing> ipod loader 2 03:49 < vanberge> loader 03:49 < BleuLlama> can you exit? 03:50 < courtc> svn co https://opensvn.csie.org/courtc/tools/ipodloader2 03:50 < BleuLlama> or just reboot? 03:50 < vanberge> i know i need to apt-get subversion right? 03:50 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Oh yeah..I moved the esc key to the coinage key.. 03:50 < vanberge> yeah i do 03:50 < imphasing> I should come up with something. 03:50 < courtc> If you use apt 03:50 < imphasing> You used to be able to use hold to exit. 03:50 < BleuLlama> i gotta run for a bit. 03:50 < BleuLlama> i'll be back 03:51 < imphasing> ok 03:51 < BHSPitMonkey> sweet 03:51 < BleuLlama> gj so far though 03:51 < vanberge> courtc, should i wait for an installer? or give this a go... in your professional opinion? :-) 03:51 < BHSPitMonkey> that makes me head MAME tester! 03:51 < BHSPitMonkey> lol 03:51 < BHSPitMonkey> vanberge: you shouldn't ask courtc, I don't think he likes you/anyone 03:52 < vanberge> heh... noted. 03:52 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has quit ["Lost drop..."] 03:52 < BHSPitMonkey> but there's no reason for you to want to compile everything yourself 03:53 < BHSPitMonkey> you probably don't even have the cross-compiler, do you? 03:53 < vanberge> i dont really know what you mean by cross compiler... 03:53 < vanberge> i have gcc 03:53 < BHSPitMonkey> then you don't. 03:53 < courtc> I like some people ... 03:53 < Nappers> like me? 03:54 < BHSPitMonkey> vanberge: do you still have rockbox's bootloader installed? 03:54 < vanberge> negative. i restored 03:54 < courtc> I like Nappers! 03:54 < Nappers> (woot) now I'm going home for the weekend :-P whoop whoop whoop whoop 03:54 -!- Nappers [n=Nappers@xp000690.massey.ac.nz] has left #ipodlinux ["That's it... I'm outta here!"] 03:54 < BHSPitMonkey> vanberge: but you do know how to use make_fw, right (aka ipod_fw) 03:54 < courtc> :| 03:55 -!- drakethegreat [n=drake@24.22.243.85] has joined #ipodlinux 03:55 < BHSPitMonkey> (you had to use it to install rb) 03:55 < courtc> drakethegreat: can you crush rocks on your head? 03:55 < vanberge> like this... ./make_fw -g 5g -v -o my_sw.bin -i apple_os.bin loader.bin 03:56 < drakethegreat> ? 03:56 < courtc> What makes you so great? 03:56 < drakethegreat> sheer will power... idk 03:56 < BHSPitMonkey> vanberge: yeah, do you still have the apple_os.bin and the rcsc image? 03:56 < drakethegreat> I picked this name 7 years ago 03:57 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-67-170-142.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 03:57 < courtc> hmm.. 03:57 < courtc> Maybe drakethegrake? 03:57 < drakethegreat> so ya why would my iPod freeze up everytime I try to open music 03:57 < vanberge> no, i dont.. i'll have to re extract ? 03:57 < courtc> drakewitharake? 03:58 < drakethegreat> everything else works 03:58 < courtc> drakeeatssteak! 03:58 < BHSPitMonkey> drakethegreat: podcasts? 03:58 < drakethegreat> no just simply when I try to open music from the main menu 03:58 < BHSPitMonkey> drakewearshiscake. 03:58 < BHSPitMonkey> drakethegreat: do you -have- any podcasts 03:59 < drakethegreat> ya 1 03:59 < courtc> drakeaintafake 03:59 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has joined #ipodlinux 03:59 < drakethegreat> if I deselect it and remove it from the iPod should work fine? 03:59 < vanberge> crap the dd for my os partition is goiong to take forever. it has 18 gb and is on usb1 03:59 < BHSPitMonkey> drakethegreat: well there's your problem, silly 03:59 < imphasing> courtc likes to harass people 03:59 < drakethegreat> -.- 03:59 < imphasing> :) 03:59 < BHSPitMonkey> get rid of it. 03:59 < drakethegreat> I was supposed to know this how :-P 03:59 < courtc> imhazing: shush. 03:59 < imphasing> ok. 04:00 < vanberge> BHSPitMonkey, you talking to the vanberge? :-) 04:00 < drakethegreat> wasn't in the FAQ under the section on your a dumbass if you install it on the 4th gen 04:00 < drakethegreat> :) 04:00 < BHSPitMonkey> vanberge: ??? your firmware partition is 18GB? 04:01 < vanberge> i currently have a winpod 04:01 < vanberge> looks like only two partitions... 04:01 < BHSPitMonkey> I don't care. there's no excuse for having an 18GB firmware partition, and I'd bet money that you're wrong. 04:01 < vanberge> yeah you are right.. im sorry. /sdb2 is the big one 04:02 < BHSPitMonkey> even it should be bigger 04:02 < BHSPitMonkey> 5G's don't come in 18GB 04:02 < vanberge> well, it has 18 gigs of crap on it is what i meant 04:02 < BHSPitMonkey> why are you dd'ing it? 04:02 -!- Shadowarrior13 [i=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 04:02 < vanberge> im not, i am dding sdb1 04:02 < vanberge> that is sdb2 04:02 < BHSPitMonkey> then it shouldn't take forever. 04:03 < vanberge> it just finished :-) 04:03 < vanberge> time to repartition 04:03 < BHSPitMonkey> and dd wouldn't care if you had crap on it or not, it could be empty 04:03 < vanberge> ipod has to be disk mode, right? 04:03 < vanberge> :-) 04:03 * ai2097 gives BHSPitLappy a mace, and sits back to watch the entertainment. 04:03 * BHSPitMonkey lands the spikes in vanberge's face 04:03 < BHSPitMonkey> thanks, ai2097 ! 04:04 < vanberge> :( 04:04 < vanberge> im paranoid!! 04:04 < vanberge> i am obsessive compulsive, seriously :-( 04:04 < ai2097> I aim to please. And you aim for the jugular. It works nicely :). 04:04 < vanberge> i double and triple check everything 04:04 < BHSPitMonkey> just...wait for an installer 04:04 < vanberge> no way! i'm too far! 04:04 < BHSPitMonkey> doesn't sound like you've done crap. 04:05 < vanberge> i started 04:05 < courtc> BleuLlama: where's that ocd game? 04:05 < BHSPitMonkey> you haven't changed the firmware partition, you haven't repartitioned 04:05 < BHSPitMonkey> the ipod hasn't changed at all. 04:05 < vanberge> hmm... thats wierd. cant cfdisk /sdb 04:06 < vanberge> duh. its mounted. sorry i think out loud 04:06 < ai2097> /dev/sdb might be more productive, too :p. 04:08 < vanberge> that it is 04:08 < vanberge> is cfdisk the best util to use for this you guys think? 04:09 -!- codenode [n=codenode@c-24-7-112-59.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:12 < BleuLlama> me back 04:12 -!- Bi-noix [i=binoix@81.56.247.86] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:12 * BleuLlama back too 04:12 < BleuLlama> imphasing: i miss anything? 04:12 < imphasing> Er.. 04:12 < imphasing> Not really. 04:12 < imphasing> I need to figure out how to write a blitter 04:13 < BleuLlama> heh 04:13 < BleuLlama> ok 04:13 < imphasing> Could the lcd strangeness be caused just by writing a frame that's too large to the screen? 04:13 < aegray> possibly 04:13 < imphasing> hmm 04:14 < BleuLlama> but only 1/3 of the screen is getting data, or at least is updating 04:14 < courtc> certainly on newer color ipods. 04:14 < imphasing> ah.. 04:14 < BleuLlama> the left 1/3 is 'active' 04:14 < imphasing> Well, at least it shows something 04:14 < imphasing> :) 04:16 < vanberge> shoot.. ipl doesnt work with the latest apple firmware does it 04:16 < aegray> huh? 04:16 < vanberge> it does? 04:17 < aegray> i've never heard that 04:18 < vanberge> well, i'm struggling wiht partitioning, im kind of stuck... must just be me 04:18 < aegray> how are you struggling? 04:18 < aegray> just do what the wiki says 04:19 < vanberge> im trying... i cant figure out how to get as granular as blocks. 04:19 < vanberge> only mb 04:19 < aegray> it need not be exact 04:19 < vanberge> for first partition it does right? 04:20 < vanberge> start at 1 end at 10 04:21 < ai2097> That has nothing to do with the apple firmware. That has everything to do with the disk partitioner you're using. 04:22 < vanberge> i know, and the only one i am familiar with is cfdisk 04:22 < courtc> damn kids and your guis 04:23 < ai2097> Follow instructions. The instructions are for fdisk. I can only assume that you are confused because you are using cfdisk and not fdisk. 04:23 < ai2097> cfdisk isn't even a GUI, it's just a different CLI. 04:23 < courtc> no, it's pretty ncursesish 04:24 < vanberge> well there arent really instructions... just what it needs to be. 04:24 < courtc> how did you install linux? 04:24 < vanberge> on my computer? 04:24 < ai2097> Back in two hours. 04:24 < ai2097> How, not where. 04:25 < ai2097> 04:25 < vanberge> what i mean is, courtc are you referring to my pc 04:25 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has quit ["Bus"] 04:25 < courtc> Yes. 04:25 < vanberge> from cdrom 04:25 < vanberge> graphical install 04:25 < courtc> oh. 04:25 < courtc> damn kids and your guis 04:26 < vanberge> affirm... nub 04:26 < vanberge> i am 04:26 < vanberge> i mean 04:27 * courtc finds an ocd game to distract vanberge with. 04:27 * vanberge is definitely distracted 04:28 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:29 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@S01060050da742a74.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:34 < vanberge> shoot... i dont think i can do this 04:36 * BHSPitMonkey back 04:38 * courtc forward 04:38 * BHSPitMonkey right 04:38 * courtc righter 04:38 * imphasing not conforming 04:38 < BHSPitMonkey> damnit 04:41 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 04:42 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:42 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:46 < vanberge> i think my ipod is goofed up... it says i have 3648 cylindersw 04:47 < BHSPitLappy> so 04:47 < vanberge> well, 30 gig on the wiki 28 thousand 04:47 < BHSPitLappy> I'd just leave it alone and be happy that the thing can play music and videos already. 04:48 < aegray> can you authorize itunes videos to play on more than one computer? 04:48 < josh_> aegray: sure, just do it like with music 04:48 * aegray needs to get a mac 04:48 < aegray> k 04:48 < josh_> it's all basically the same DRM 04:48 < aegray> someone needs to break it 04:48 < aegray> badly 04:49 * aegray resorting to installing windows 04:49 < BHSPitLappy> seriously? 04:49 < aegray> i feel dirty 04:49 < aegray> not on my main laptop 04:49 < BHSPitLappy> don't get that desperate! 04:49 < aegray> on a second partition on another computer 04:49 < aegray> but still 04:49 < aegray> ugh 04:49 < aegray> oh you have another bootloader already? TOO BAD: FUCK OFF 04:50 < BHSPitLappy> can't you find... a osx dvd or something around? 04:50 < aegray> would that work with ipod through vmware? 04:51 < BHSPitLappy> I dunno about vmware...or the ipod... 04:51 < BHSPitLappy> I'm planning on installing OSX on my desktop in PearPC this week though 04:54 < vanberge> ok, i think i have manned through fdisk and think i have my partitions at a good spot... would somebody willing to review for me? 04:54 < aegray> yes 04:54 < aegray> pastebin 04:55 < vanberge> http://pastebin.com/569760 04:56 < aegray> thats a pretty big linux partition :P 04:56 < vanberge> lmao it is 7 megs 04:57 < aegray> hold on 04:58 < aegray> there are 8megs/cylinder smartass 04:58 < aegray> 3648-3561 = 87 87*8 = 696 Megs 04:58 < aegray> quite a bit for something you just need to store a base filesystem structure on 04:59 < BHSPitLappy> you only need like 48MB tops 05:02 < vanberge> k how bout this 05:02 < vanberge> http://pastebin.com/569768 05:04 < BHSPitLappy> better... 05:04 < vanberge> k... 05:04 < BHSPitLappy> you -did- backup all the files on the FAT partition first, right? 05:04 < BHSPitLappy> iPod_control and etc 05:04 < vanberge> yeah i dd'ed it 05:05 < BHSPitLappy> ... you dd'd the whole music partition? 05:05 < courtc> vanberge: omg! you didn't delete that .asc file did you? 05:05 < BHSPitLappy> you must have a lot of extra hard drive space... 05:05 < vanberge> no, just 1 and 2. 05:05 < vanberge> no, why? 05:05 < courtc> good! 05:05 < BHSPitLappy> vanberge: 2 is the music partition. it was 30GB 05:06 < courtc> Just make sure not to delete it. 05:06 < BHSPitLappy> you just made a 30GB partition image on your pc. 05:06 < BHSPitLappy> how big's your hard drive? 05:06 < vanberge> BHSPitLappy, i think our lines are crossed. i backed up the two partitions that are shown on the 5g how to 05:07 < BHSPitLappy> the ipod comes with 2 partitions: one is the tiny firmware partition, the other is the (30GB) music partition 05:08 < aegray> anyone on a nano maybe willing to test something? 05:08 < BHSPitLappy> test what 05:08 < aegray> haha 05:08 < aegray> fixing video 05:08 < courtc> aegray: ! 05:08 < courtc> me! 05:08 < aegray> oh yea! 05:09 < aegray> wont be for a bit 05:09 < BHSPitLappy> as in, the buffer and stuff? 05:09 < vanberge> is there a different linux distro that is more compatible? 05:09 < BHSPitLappy> .. 05:09 < spazzium> guys have you seen this xgl stuff that's almost to release? 05:09 < vanberge> i tried to gcc make_fw and i got all kinds of errors 05:09 < spazzium> (offtopic) :) 05:09 < BHSPitLappy> vanberge: wha? 05:10 < BHSPitLappy> vanberge: you don't have to build make_fw, you can just download a tarball with it precompiled. 05:11 < vanberge> im just following the directions 05:12 < spazzium> aegray: did you need a tester still? 05:12 < aegray> in a bit 05:12 < BHSPitLappy> vanberge: and use this as your loader.bin whenever you do make_fw http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IpodInstallation/bootloader-video.bin 05:13 < aegray> http://www.aegray.com/web/podzillasig 05:14 < aegray> play a couple videos in a row and tell me what happens 05:14 < courtc> hmm.. I don;t have any video offhand. :p 05:14 < aegray> jas 05:14 < spazzium> I do 05:14 < BHSPitLappy> I do. 05:15 < courtc> They seem to. 05:17 < aegray> hmmmm i'm quite confused as to why the 13 min limit exists 05:18 < aegray> ah no i'm not :) 05:18 < josh_> aegray: why was it? 05:18 < aegray> might be overflows 05:18 < josh_> ah 05:18 -!- bryan [n=Bryan@c-67-168-77-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:18 < aegray> anyone have a video over 13 mins? 05:19 < BHSPitMonkey> aegray: just tested 05:19 < aegray> http://www.aegray.com/web/podzillaupdate 05:19 < BHSPitMonkey> the first video's fine, the second one has video a bit late 05:19 < aegray> ^try with video greater than 13 mins 05:19 < BHSPitMonkey> like usual 05:19 < aegray> BHSPitMonkey: k 05:19 < BHSPitMonkey> I don't have one that long. 05:19 < aegray> lemme try some other stuff 05:19 < BHSPitMonkey> for obvious reasons 05:20 -!- theauthor [n=theautho@m615e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:21 < aegray> have any of you tried that clear.avi thing? 05:22 < spazzium> nope 05:22 < spazzium> linky? 05:22 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-165-108.houston.res.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 05:22 < aegray> its just using a blank file to reset the video player 05:22 < spazzium> oh 05:22 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: I do it all the time. 05:22 < spazzium> heh, cool 05:22 < aegray> what happens when you do it? 05:22 < aegray> does it just go back to the previous menu? or does it go to the main menu? 05:22 < BHSPitLappy> it says "loading video" very briefly and returns to the list 05:23 < vanberge> you guys seriously rule... ipl is absolutely awesome 05:23 < BHSPitLappy> where I proceed to play another video flawlessly :) 05:24 -!- Vanquisher1 [n=vanquish@208-58-242-76.s76.tnt2.atnnj.pa.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #ipodlinux 05:27 < aegray> ah i think i know why :( 05:27 < aegray> thats a bigger problem that is about to take more of my time 05:27 < aegray> not being solved tonight 05:27 < BHSPitLappy> :( 05:27 < aegray> if one of you could test out the 13 minute limit that would be great though 05:27 < aegray> i have a newer one - hold on 05:27 < BHSPitLappy> I'll do it later tonight. 05:28 < vanberge> i would like to know, what is the devs ipod of choice? :-) 05:28 < aegray> whatever i have 05:29 < aegray> http://www.aegray.com/web/podzilla3 05:29 < vanberge> is that a nano? 05:29 < aegray> try 13 min limit with that one 05:29 < aegray> currently its a 5g because all my otehrs are broken 05:29 < aegray> actually 05:29 < vanberge> bricked? or physically broken 05:29 < aegray> jas 05:29 < aegray> hd crapped out 05:30 < BHSPitLappy> damn 05:30 < BHSPitLappy> sealab is only 12.xx minutes 05:32 < aegray> BHSPitLappy: try web/podzilla4 with multiple videos in a row 05:32 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: when do you go to bed? 05:32 < aegray> its only 11:30 05:32 < BHSPitLappy> just wondering 05:32 < aegray> i just got up from a 4 hour nap like an hour ago 05:32 < BHSPitLappy> ok 05:32 < aegray> :P 05:33 < BHSPitLappy> well I'll be able to test in a little 05:33 < BHSPitLappy> ask spazzium :P 05:33 < aegray> k 05:33 < aegray> spazzium: DO IT! 05:33 * aegray afk to get pizza 05:33 < BHSPitLappy> bring extra 05:33 < aegray> no 05:34 * aegray contemplating buying a nano with the 300$ in best buy gift cards he's accumulated over the years 05:34 < aegray> i think i'll save it for the next ipod 05:34 < BHSPitLappy> get a 1GB 05:34 -!- codenode [n=codenode@c-24-7-112-59.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:43 -!- Vanquish1r1 [n=vanquish@208-58-242-135.s135.tnt2.atnnj.pa.dialup.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:45 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:47 < BHSPitLappy> ok, I can do some testing now. 05:47 < aegray> so noone tested... 05:47 < aegray> cool 05:47 < BHSPitLappy> lol 05:47 < aegray> good timing 05:48 < aegray> the init in the kernel i thought 05:48 < BHSPitLappy> ohh, I know what's 13 minutes... I can convert one 05:50 < BHSPitLappy> it might be too big, though :/ 05:50 < BHSPitLappy> aaand, explorer just crashed COMPLETELY randomly. 05:50 < aegray> just make sure its less than 2gigs 05:51 < BHSPitMonkey> well yeah 05:51 < BHSPitMonkey> a full tv show is 1.2, I'm definitely not going that high 05:51 < BHSPitMonkey> so do I use the most recent link for both issues? 05:51 < vanberge> do any of you guys have ability to edit ipl.org? 05:51 < aegray> web/podzilla4 05:51 < vanberge> ipl.org/screenshots - the bottom looks messed up. 05:52 < vanberge> missing an image 05:52 < BHSPitMonkey> ipl.org? 05:52 < vanberge> ipodlinux 05:52 < BHSPitMonkey> the internet public library? 05:52 < BHSPitMonkey> and everybody can edit it. it's a wiki. 05:54 < BHSPitMonkey> aegray: it's fine if I test the same video twice in a row, right 05:54 < BHSPitMonkey> instead of 2 different ones 05:54 < aegray> and it didn't used to be fine? 05:54 < BHSPitMonkey> no, I'm asking 05:54 < aegray> yea i think so 05:55 < BHSPitMonkey> video is still early 05:55 < BHSPitMonkey> (rather, audio is still late) second time around 05:55 < aegray> damnit 05:55 < aegray> k 05:55 < aegray> i don't get it 05:55 < BHSPitMonkey> :( 05:55 < BHSPitMonkey> have some more pizza 05:56 < BHSPitMonkey> should I still test a 13min video? 05:56 < aegray> try the 13 min limit if you can 05:56 < aegray> yea 05:57 -!- Silviu [n=Silviu@d206-116-215-39.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:58 < Silviu> Hey, would this be the right place to get help for installing on a 5g? 05:58 < BHSPitLappy> are you at least somewhat experienced at using Linux, Silviu ? 05:58 < BHSPitLappy> ( or mac terminal I guess ) 05:58 < Silviu> not at all, actually, I was hoping there would be a way from windows 05:58 < BHSPitLappy> there isn't, sorry 05:59 < BHSPitLappy> you'll have to wait for an installer. 05:59 < Silviu> alright, thanks 05:59 < BHSPitLappy> np 05:59 -!- Silviu [n=Silviu@d206-116-215-39.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:59 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@c-24-16-127-50.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:59 < BHSPitLappy> jesus 05:59 < ai2097> Yes? 06:00 < BHSPitLappy> 758MB 06:00 < BHSPitLappy> ha. 06:00 < ai2097> Sorry, couldn't help myself :P. 06:00 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-165-108.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 06:01 < jonrelay> veteran: Actually here? 06:01 * aegray thinks you're sol 06:01 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-165-108.houston.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 06:01 < BHSPitLappy> lol 06:01 < aegray> hahahaha 06:01 < jonrelay> :p 06:02 < BHSPitLappy> well, aegray 06:02 < BHSPitLappy> I just deleted the iPod commercial you gave me last year :( 06:03 < BHSPitLappy> the very first video viewed on an iPod nano 06:05 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: am I testing if it opens, or if it lasts? 06:05 < aegray> if it lasts 06:05 < BHSPitLappy> oh 06:05 < BHSPitLappy> :/ 06:05 < BHSPitLappy> 15 minutes! 06:06 < aegray> sorry 06:06 * BHSPitLappy away: watching http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2862688479675812745 on my nano 06:08 < aegray> how...boring... 06:08 < BHSPitLappy> :O 06:12 -!- codenode [n=codenode@c-24-7-112-59.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:13 -!- vanberge [n=vanberge@c-67-167-164-152.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:13 -!- codenode [n=codenode@c-24-7-112-59.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:22 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: the video completed in entirety. you bastard. 06:22 < aegray> haha 06:22 < BHSPitLappy> 15min 06:22 < aegray> hopefully that fixes that 06:24 < CIA-11> aegray * tools/podzilla/video/video.c: Hopefully get rid of that pesky time limit on video. PLEASE TEST 06:25 -!- ghode|afk [i=testing@host-84-9-105-90.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:25 < BleuLlama> yay! 06:25 < BleuLlama> now you just need to port it to pz2 06:26 < aegray> compression will go in pz2 06:28 < BHSPitLappy> lol 06:34 -!- lightman_ [n=zourse@stavanger-dhcp-223-189.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:36 < spazzium> will test in tommorrow's build 06:38 < BHSPitLappy> spazzium: http://www.aegray.com/web/podzilla4 06:38 < spazzium> sweet 06:38 < spazzium> ty 06:39 < BHSPitLappy> yes, I couldn't believe it either! podzilla 4! 06:39 < BHSPitLappy> I think we skip the odd numbers 06:39 < aegray> i'm calling it margeleon 06:39 < aegray> i'll rename it later 06:39 < courtc> hahahahaha 06:45 * aegray watches as vmware thrashes 06:45 < aegray> :( 06:46 < BHSPitLappy> what now 06:49 < ai2097> BHSPitLappy: Powers of two, man. Powers of two. 06:50 < BHSPitLappy> podzilla(2^0), podzilla(2^1), podzilla(2^2), ... 06:50 < BHSPitLappy> doesn't work out 06:50 < BHSPitLappy> we never had a podzilla1 06:50 < jonrelay> 2^0 != 0 06:50 < BHSPitLappy> I know... 06:51 -!- Matt2 [n=silviuma@d206-116-215-39.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:51 < aegray> 2^0 = 2 06:51 < BHSPitLappy> no 06:51 < aegray> yes 06:51 < Matt2> huh? 06:51 < BHSPitLappy> 2^1 = 2 06:51 < BHSPitLappy> 2^0 = 1 06:52 < aegray> uint8_t c = 2^0; 06:52 < aegray> c = 2; 06:52 < aegray> thanks 06:52 * BHSPitLappy whips out the TI=83+ and proves aegray wrong 06:52 * BHSPitLappy FTW \O/ 06:52 * jonrelay *sigh* 06:52 * aegray whips out gcc and slaps BHSPitLappy with it 06:52 < Matt2> I believe anything to the power of 0 is 1 06:53 < BHSPitLappy> Matt2 speaks the truth. 06:53 < Matt2> thank-you 06:53 < Matt2> do you want me to prove it? 06:53 < BHSPitLappy> anything to the power of zero is 1, anything to the power of 1 is itself 06:53 < aegray> look at my code 06:53 < aegray> compile it 06:53 < aegray> then stfu 06:53 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: doesn't matter if it's incorrect 06:53 * ai2097 sits back and watches bemusedly 06:53 < aegray> heh 06:54 < jonrelay> ^ != pow() 06:54 < BHSPitLappy> http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.number.to.0power.html 06:54 < jonrelay> ^ == xor 06:54 < aegray> aegray@localhost ~/dev/ipodlinux/cvsroot/tools/podzilla+current $ gcc test.c -o test 06:54 < aegray> thanks 06:54 < aegray> ./test 06:54 < aegray> aegray@localhost ~/dev/ipodlinux/cvsroot/tools/podzilla+current $ ./test 06:54 < aegray> 2 06:54 < aegray> now stfu 06:54 < aegray> uint8_t c = 2^0; 06:54 < aegray> printf("%d\n", c); 06:54 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: I believe jonrelay just told you that your code is wrong. 06:54 < aegray> no he didn't 06:55 < aegray> he told you that you are mistaken 06:55 < Matt2> Okay, let me explain it... when you divide a power by another, you subtract the exponent. 06:55 < BHSPitLappy> math was here before gcc. now STFU 06:55 < Matt2> if you were to divide 2^2 by 2^2 06:55 < Matt2> you would get 1 over 1 06:55 < jonrelay> aegray is talking about C syntax. 06:55 < aegray> you guys are fucking dumb 06:55 < aegray> except jonrelay 06:55 < BHSPitLappy> damnit 06:55 < davidc__> Matt2: ^ != power operator 06:55 < jonrelay> BHSPitLappy is talking about graphing calculator syntax. 06:55 < davidc__> it is the xor operator 06:55 < jonrelay> Now everybody stfu. 06:55 < davidc__> [in c at least 06:55 < davidc__> yes. STFU 06:55 < BHSPitLappy> w/e 06:55 < Matt2> oh dear 06:56 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+m ] by davidc__ 06:56 < davidc__> :D 06:56 * aegray was gonna do that 06:56 < aegray> :) 06:57 -!- Matt2 [n=silviuma@d206-116-215-39.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 06:57 -!- Matt2 [n=silviuma@d206-116-215-39.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:58 -!- Matt2 [n=silviuma@d206-116-215-39.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:58 -!- Matt2 [n=silviuma@d206-116-215-39.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:58 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:59 -!- Matt2 [n=silviuma@d206-116-215-39.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:01 -!- Silviu [n=Silviu@d206-116-215-39.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:04 -!- Silviu [n=Silviu@d206-116-215-39.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:04 < aegray> oh right... 07:04 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-m ] by aegray 07:04 < aegray> hehe 07:05 * ai2097 chuckles 07:06 < ai2097> All I have to say for myself is... "Please don't lynch me." XD 07:07 * aegray lynches you 07:07 < davidc__> yea.. I sorta forgot that I made it moderated 07:07 < davidc__> it coulda gone on for hours 07:08 < aegray> heh 07:12 < courtc> sooo, next: (0 << 2) 07:12 < aegray> that ones not in controversy 07:13 < aegray> booooooring 07:13 < aegray> 2 >> 2 ! 07:13 < courtc> yes, but hilarious none the less. 07:14 < aegray> anyone wanna take that one? 07:14 < aegray> 2>>2? 07:14 < courtc> i = ++i + i++; 07:14 < aegray> haha 07:14 < ai2097> aegray: Yeah. It's undefined. 07:14 < aegray> no its not 07:14 < ai2097> Though ideally, you'd get 0. 07:14 < aegray> erm how is it undefined? 07:14 < aegray> in c++? 07:14 < ai2097> Oh wait; I'm thinking shifts that are the length of the register. 07:15 < ai2097> E.g. 2 >> i; i >=32. 07:15 < aegray> yea 07:15 < ai2097> But no; 2>>2 == 0. 07:15 < aegray> but i thought >> = /2 ! 07:15 * aegray trying to start something 07:15 < ai2097> I think that courtc's -is- undefined, though. 07:16 < aegray> the i++ thing? 07:16 < aegray> no its not 07:16 < aegray> afaik 07:16 < aegray> although 07:16 < aegray> i'd like to see how gcc -O3 compiles it 07:17 < jonrelay> It would make i = i+i+1 wouldn't it? 07:17 < aegray> if its evaled from left to right, i+1 + i+1 07:18 < ai2097> RHS has to be eval'd first. 07:18 < aegray> does it? 07:18 * aegray didn't know this 07:18 < ai2097> Otherwise, you can't do an assignment. 07:18 < aegray> oh no i know that 07:18 < aegray> i mean which comes first 07:18 < aegray> ++i or i++? 07:18 < ai2097> But, as I said, I think that is invalid. 07:18 < jonrelay> But ++i is evaluated before i++, so it would be i+i+2 07:18 < aegray> yea 07:18 < ai2097> jonrelay++ 07:20 * aegray grumbles about windows having to restart all the time with new drivers 07:20 < aegray> fuckers 07:23 -!- joeyk [n=joeyk@unaffiliated/zer0python] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:26 -!- joeyk [n=joeyk@unaffiliated/zer0python] has joined #ipodlinux 07:31 -!- rage- [n=rage@0-1pool251-22.nas4.duluth1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:33 < aegray> hhmm 07:33 < aegray> seems to eval it the other way 07:33 < jonrelay> hhm 07:33 -!- erus [n=tmo@ACD4B063.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 07:34 < aegray> guess it is true right to left 07:34 < jonrelay> My CPE 101 book lied to me. :p 07:34 < aegray> :( 07:36 < courtc> hah, my off topic subject is still alive! 07:36 < aegray> its compiler dependent 07:36 < jonrelay> Ah. 07:37 < ai2097> >> I think that courtc's -is- undefined, though. 07:37 < courtc> HAH! I rock. 07:37 < aegray> haha 07:37 < aegray> it is undefined according to #c 07:37 < aegray> ##c* 07:37 < aegray> ##c# 07:37 < aegray> hehe 07:38 < ai2097> ##c? Are we talking stringified macro params now? 07:38 < aegray> the room 07:38 < aegray> irc 07:38 < aegray> smarty pants 07:38 < ai2097> I'm being a (dumb|smart)ass 07:39 < courtc> #define boom(a,b,args...) bang(#a, _##b##_, ##args) 07:39 < aegray> what do the different things do? 07:40 < ai2097> Cripes. 07:40 * ai2097 strains to remember 07:40 < aegray> heh 07:40 < aegray> boom! 07:40 < courtc> boom(one, two, three) -> bang("one", _two_, three) 07:40 < ai2097> #a stringifies, so the parameter becomes a compiler token. 07:40 < aegray> why ##args? 07:40 < courtc> boom(one, two) -> bang("one", _two_) 07:40 < aegray> what does that do? 07:41 < aegray> just hands it in as a list? 07:41 < ai2097> I'm sorry; courtc's explanation is better :p. 07:41 < aegray> i know what # does 07:41 < aegray> i didn't know what ## did 07:41 < aegray> :( 07:41 < ai2097> ## -> "pasting". I don't remember the exact term. 07:41 < courtc> if you put ## after a comma and a space it'll remove the arg if it isn't specified. 07:42 < aegray> k 07:42 < ai2097> courtc: That's an extension. 07:42 < aegray> heh 07:42 < courtc> GNU, yes. 07:42 < courtc> so is named args 07:42 < ai2097> ## has another use outside of varadic macros. 07:42 < courtc> yep, stringification 07:42 < courtc> I used that too. 07:43 < ai2097> I see no varidic macros :p. 07:43 < courtc> what? 07:43 < courtc> args... ? 07:43 < ai2097> "named arguments" would be something like #define foo(bar...) 07:44 < courtc> that would be a named variadic macro 07:44 < ai2097> Gah. My English fails me. 07:44 < aegray> speak chinease then 07:45 < ai2097> "named arguments" -- in the sense of GCC having an extension -- applies only to named variadic macro arguments, AFAIK. 07:45 < courtc> yea, that's what I meant. 07:45 < ai2097> Which is why I said "I see no variadic macros" -- you didn't give one. 07:46 < ai2097> boom(one, two, three) -> bang("one", _two_, three) 07:46 < courtc> #define boom(a,b,args...) bang(#a, _##b##_, ##args) 07:46 < ai2097> No ellipses :( 07:46 < aegray> boom(some, hot, girl); 07:46 < ai2097> I... have gone... braindead. 07:46 < courtc> bang("some", _hot_, girl) 07:46 < aegray> eyup 07:47 < aegray> what if I hand it: 07:47 < aegray> boom("some", "hot", "girl");? 07:47 < aegray> is that undefined/error? 07:47 < courtc> bang(""some"", _"hot"_, "girl") 07:47 < aegray> ""some"" is an error correct? 07:47 < aegray> as is the second 07:48 < ai2097> Why macros are dangerous, my friend :p. 07:48 < aegray> dangerous my ass 07:48 -!- boss429 [i=boss429@is.g0d.net] has quit ["simon says: rehashing"] 07:49 < courtc> now you can do: #define Dprintf(a,args...) fprintf(stderr, "Internal error: " b, ##args) 07:50 < ai2097> Why? __VA_ARGS__ should be sufficient, ne? 07:50 < courtc> well, I prefer named. 07:50 < courtc> ansi has neither so it's really a mut point for me. 07:50 < courtc> mute* 07:50 < ai2097> __VA_ARGS__ is C99. 07:51 < courtc> I know. 07:51 < courtc> not ansi 07:51 < ai2097> C89 sucks :p. 07:51 < jonrelay> It's *moot point. Unless you're Joey Tribionni, then it's *moo point - it's like a cow's opinion, it doesn't matter. 07:52 < courtc> jonrelay: Thanks. 07:52 < courtc> Dprintf("blah: %d", blah) -> fprintf(stderr, "Internal error: " "blah %d", blah) // valid 07:52 < courtc> excpet my macro was wrong. 07:52 < courtc> I used b instead of a 07:52 < courtc> boo me. 07:53 < courtc> and I can't spell. 07:53 < courtc> "excpet" <- super awesome new word. 07:54 < ai2097> It's fabulicious. 07:54 < BHSPitLappy> jonrelay: ha 07:55 * ai2097 has the sudden urge to slay a marketing department somewhere 07:56 < courtc> jonrelay: I'm not being facetious. 07:57 < courtc> Just so you don't overly hate me. 07:57 < jonrelay> Well, you're welcome then. :) 07:57 < jonrelay> http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-moo1.htm 07:57 < jonrelay> I didn't think you were being facetious. 08:00 * jonrelay sighs 08:03 * BHSPitLappy coughs 08:03 < courtc> an interesting use of #x would be: #define $(x) func(#x) // where func() do a variable lookup using strcmp or similar, returning the associated variable. 08:05 < jonrelay> $ is a valid identifier? I knew it was in Java, didn't know it was in C. 08:05 < courtc> I actually made a very nasty c app that took variables and used them like this, along with a helper php script. 08:05 < courtc> s/variables/arguments/ 08:05 < courtc> I was bored. 08:05 < jonrelay> Heh. 08:07 < Lex> FINLAND 08:08 < Lex> curling & ice hockey gold 08:08 < BHSPitLappy> CONAN O'BRIEN 08:09 < BHSPitLappy> finnish president look-alike. 08:09 < courtc> IPODS! 08:09 < BHSPitLappy> portable music players. 08:09 < courtc> Better with Linux. 08:09 < Lex> linux <3 08:09 < BHSPitLappy> and gilded. 08:12 < jonrelay> Aha: "The dollar sign can appear in identifier names when compiled using the -qdollar compiler option or at one of the extended language levels that encompasses this option." 08:15 < jonrelay> "In GNU C, you may normally use dollar signs in identifier names. This is because many traditional C implementations allow such identifiers. However, dollar signs in identifiers are not supported on a few target machines, typically because the target assembler does not allow them." 08:15 < jonrelay> K, I'm done. :P 08:15 < courtc> They are preprocessed out.. 08:37 -!- kashi [n=KK@227.179.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 08:39 -!- dushan [n=peter@195-150-91.adsl-s.telecom.sk] has joined #ipodlinux 08:39 < dushan> hi everybody, can somebody help on installig pz2 modules?? 08:40 < dushan> start file do not work, it looks like system isn't executing this file 08:44 < aegray> what os are you on 08:45 < aegray> make the first line of start file "echo HELLO" 08:45 < aegray> then 08:45 < aegray> sleep 5 08:45 < aegray> and tell me what happens when you boot 08:46 < dushan> mac os x, but my ipod is fat32 08:46 < aegray> theres no start file for macosx people afaik 08:46 < dushan> good idea! 08:47 < aegray> http://www.xenarcdirect.com/store/product.php?productid=16142&cat=256&page=1 08:47 < aegray> erm 08:47 < dushan> there's no difference, my iPod is FAT32 08:47 < aegray> the only reason for a start file is if you use the windows installer 08:48 < aegray> afaik 08:48 < ai2097> More or less. 08:49 < ai2097> dushan: Can you mount /dev/sda3? 08:50 < dushan> no I can't, I'm on Mac, I was trying that idea with echo HELLO; sleep 5; but without a result, iPL is not executing start file.. 08:51 < aegray> like i said 08:51 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 08:52 < aegray> with a mac install there is no start file 08:52 < aegray> you have to mount whatever the partition is directly and modify 08:52 < ai2097> dushan: The fact that you're on a Mac means that you couldn't have used the Windows installer to install iPL. 08:53 < dushan> aegray: this is not a mac install, it's installed from friend's linux machine, It is Windows formatted iPod 08:53 < aegray> like I said - the formatting has nothing to do with it 08:53 < aegray> its which installer you used/how you installed it 08:53 < ai2097> Well, then, unless you can mount /dev/sda3 yourself, you need to use the Mac installation method. 08:53 < aegray> if it wasn't installed with the "WINDOWS INSTALLER" then there will be no start file 08:54 < dushan> I didn't use any installer, I was partitioning and installing it manually from linux machine 08:54 < aegray> then mount the partition directly 08:54 < aegray> or... 08:55 < aegray> create a script to copy onto the ipod and execute it though podzilla 08:56 -!- Big_Luk [n=lmd@d54C0358D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:57 < dushan> I can't mount directly because now I am on Mac again, and I don't want to annoy my friend again, so the idea with creating a script and running it from podzilla sounds great, thanx man :) 08:58 < ai2097> dushan: ... 08:58 < aegray> mac can't mount ext2?? 08:59 < dushan> aegray: no it can't , there's an opensource kext to do this, but I am at work, and I don't have admin privileges, so I can't install 08:59 < aegray> ah k 08:59 -!- zedrdave [n=zedrdave@dan75-1-87-88-125-171.dsl.club-internet.fr] has quit [] 09:00 < aegray> anyone know how to find drivers for "Ethernet Controller" in windows xp? Thats all the information its giving me and I can't search on another computer because of it 09:01 -!- zedrdave [n=zedrdave@dan75-1-87-88-125-171.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 09:04 < dushan> so, now I have modules in /usr/lib , but I see no change in podzilla, I have rebooted, but I still can't see anything new 09:05 < aegray> in pz2 you don't see any changes? 09:05 < dushan> yeah 09:05 < aegray> what all did you copy? 09:05 < aegray> just the .o files? 09:05 < dushan> no, I have it like /usr/lib/noise , /usr/lib/terminal , ... 09:06 < aegray> in different folders? 09:06 < dushan> folders with Module, and *.mod.o files 09:06 < aegray> can't do that. 09:06 < dushan> yeah 09:06 < aegray> all have to be in the /usr/lib 09:06 < dushan> you mean the .mod.o files? 09:06 < jonrelay> Uhh... isn't that right though? 09:06 < courtc> aegray: um.. not anymore. 09:06 < courtc> It's right. 09:06 < aegray> nm 09:06 * aegray leaves 09:07 < ai2097> Yay for obsolecense! 09:07 < dushan> but there's also Module file, describing the module, It has to be in separate folders 09:07 * aegray has left #ipodlinux 09:07 < dushan> .. 09:07 < ai2097> Obsolecence, even. 09:07 < jonrelay> Module and whatever.mod.o should be in the folder whatever in /usr/lib. 09:09 < dushan> jonrelay: right, but why it won't work? 09:10 < jonrelay> I don't know. :/ 09:10 < dushan> any suggestions? pleaaaz.. 09:11 < ai2097> Yeah. Start over with a supported configuration. 09:11 < dushan> supported configuration? 09:11 < jonrelay> The only thing I can think of is make sure you're in pz2 and not pz0. 09:12 < dushan> pz2, sure 09:12 < jonrelay> Supported config == HFS-formatted on a Mac, rather than FAT-formatted. 09:12 < ai2097> E.g., switch the iPod to HFS+, and do the Mac install. 09:12 < aegray> yay! videos on my ipod! 09:13 < aegray> with tv out! 09:13 * aegray happy finally 09:13 < ai2097> aegray: Just putting them on the disk doesn't... oooh, shiny! 09:13 < jonrelay> Ooooooohhh!!!! :D 09:13 < aegray> all i had to do was install windows 09:13 < ai2097> Ack! My eyes! 09:13 < aegray> heh 09:14 < ai2097> aegray: But seriously, what did the windows part play? 09:14 < aegray> i used itunes to purchase some videos in vmware 09:14 < aegray> but i couldn't play them anywhere else or get it to my piod 09:15 < aegray> ipod* 09:15 < aegray> so i installed windows and authorized and copied from there :( 09:17 < aegray> that looks right 09:17 < dushan> please, help me installing that modules.. I really don't know what to do 09:19 < dushan> is it possible that it's not working because of bad permissions on module's files? I have copied them from FAT32, so they are all marked as executables 09:20 < jonrelay> Do you get any errors when pz2 tries to load them? 09:20 < dushan> no, I don't get any errors, it looks like podzilla is not even looking for them 09:21 < jonrelay> Hmm. It should either load them or say "podzilla will probably be boring." 09:21 < spazzium> heh. 09:22 < dushan> :D 09:22 < jonrelay> Do you see three dots when it starts? 09:22 < dushan> no I don't 09:22 < jonrelay> Then you're not in pz2. :D 09:23 < dushan> I am in pz2, I was looking for it in "About", it's nightly build from yesterday 09:23 < jonrelay> OK then. Hmm, this is very strange indeed... 09:23 < ai2097> Well, that conflicts with what you just said though: PZ2 does indeed start with three dots centered in the screen. 09:24 < jonrelay> If no modules were loading, you wouldn't even see "About", I don't think. 09:24 < ai2097> jonrelay: Good call. 09:25 < BHSPitLappy> this is true 09:25 < dushan> three dot's centered on screen? man, I never saw that.. 09:25 < ai2097> About -is- a module. 09:25 < aegray> what menus do you have dushan? 09:25 < dushan> what menus? 09:25 < aegray> in podzilla 09:25 < aegray> is there stuff in extras? 09:25 < jonrelay> As in, Music, Extras, Settings... 09:25 < dushan> yes, there is Stuff in Extras 09:25 < ai2097> You have Music? 09:26 < aegray> what is in extras? 09:26 < dushan> Extras: Recordings, Calendar, Calculator, Clock, Games, Stuff 09:26 < jonrelay> Dude, you're in pz2. 09:26 < jonrelay> pz0 09:26 < aegray> yea pz0 09:26 < jonrelay> PZ0 I MEAN! 09:26 < aegray> damnit 09:26 * jonrelay stfu 09:27 < dushan> no! 09:27 < aegray> yes. 09:27 < dushan> About says: podzilla 2006-02-23CVS 09:27 < aegray> those aren't pz2 menus. 09:27 < aegray> yes - thats pz0 09:27 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:27 < aegray> cvs = pz0 09:27 < dushan> so, where can I get last pz2? 09:27 < BHSPitLappy> svn = pz2 09:27 < aegray> `podzilla 09:27 < iplbot> podzilla is the most common (and only officially supported) GUI for ipodlinux [from aegray] 09:27 < aegray> damnit 09:28 < aegray> `wiki podzilla 09:28 < iplbot> podzilla (http://www.ipodlinux.org/podzilla) [20231 bytes] 09:28 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: try "pz2 nightlies" 09:28 < aegray> look at that for about 16 hours 09:28 < aegray> he needs all the directions 09:28 < bholland> hey 09:28 < bholland> (ipplib.o) uses hardware FP, whereas podzilla.elf2flt uses software FP 09:28 < bholland> wtf? 09:28 < BHSPitLappy> hi bholland 09:28 < aegray> bholland: rebuild everything with the same toolchain 09:28 < bholland> I did 09:28 < aegray> did you rebuild ipp? 09:29 < aegray> making sure that all are using arm-uclinux-elf-gcc 09:29 < aegray> or arm-elf-gcc 09:29 < aegray> not just make 09:29 < bholland> ipp is only bin 09:29 < aegray> then you need to build with -mhard-float 09:29 < aegray> or an older toolchain 09:30 < bholland> so thats with the new toolchain right? 09:30 < aegray> hard float afaik is with 2.95 09:30 < aegray> so build pz with 2.95 09:30 < ai2097> The iPod has a hrd FPU? 09:30 < bholland> cause I've never had this problem before 09:30 < aegray> ai2097: no 09:30 < aegray> it still uses software emulation 09:31 < bholland> so I add -mhard-float to podzilla Makefile LDFLAGS? 09:31 -!- Big_Luk [n=lmd@d54C0358D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 09:32 < aegray> agh 09:32 < aegray> anyone know gentoo well? 09:32 * ai2097 raises a hand 09:32 < aegray> i want to start sshd 09:32 < aegray> but when i do /etc/init.d/sshd start, 09:32 < aegray> it says this: 09:32 < aegray> * WARNING: sshd is scheduled to start when net.eth0 has started. 09:32 < aegray> i have net.wlan0 running 09:33 < bholland> ahhh 09:33 < ai2097> Check the depends in the script. 09:33 * aegray can't connect to a hard network to start net.eth0 09:33 < aegray> it says need net 09:33 < ai2097> Does net.wlan0 provide net? 09:33 < aegray> net.wlan0 is just linked to net.lo - as is net.eth0 09:33 < ai2097> (I assume it's a symlink to the net script)? 09:34 < ai2097> Mmm... is that how it is out the box? I have a separate net script. Net.lo just provides loop AFAIK. 09:34 < aegray> am i still here? 09:34 < aegray> ok good 09:35 < aegray> i symlinked it to net.eth0 likethe handbook says now 09:35 < aegray> :( 09:35 < ai2097> 0_o 09:35 < ai2097> That is messed up. 09:36 < bholland> I take it I have to recompile everything witht the mhard-float (helix, libitunesdb, ect..)? 09:36 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:36 < ai2097> *looks at /etc/init.d and finds net.eth0 no longer symlinked to net* Goddamnit, is -that- why the Gentoo base-layout update broke my system? 09:36 -!- jonrelay [n=jonrelay@66-214-200-107.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has left #ipodlinux ["No! Not that button! The other one! *cries*"] 09:37 < iPL-SVN> courtc * tools/libipod/ ([*] ipodinfo.c): added -g for generation number (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/965) 09:38 < aegray> cool :) 09:38 < aegray> it works 09:38 < ai2097> Brb. 09:39 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has quit ["Rejiggering the whatsit"] 09:41 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:41 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/rc 09:42 -!- F-F_[hmf] [i=FF_hmf@ipv6.have-more-fun.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 09:52 < bholland> wtf? 09:53 < aegray> hmm? 09:53 < bholland> do I have to rebuild everuthing with mhard-float? 09:53 < aegray> or everything with the 2.95 toolchain 09:53 < aegray> yes 09:53 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has joined #ipodlinux 09:53 < aegray> everything has to be built with the same toolchain in general 09:53 < bholland> yeah 09:53 < ai2097> Yay for ABIs. 09:53 < aegray> ABI? 09:53 < ai2097> Binary Interfaces. 09:53 < aegray> A? 09:54 < ai2097> Application? 09:54 < bholland> where in microwindows can I add -mhard-float?? 09:54 < aegray> CFLAGS :/ 09:55 < bholland> in Makefile? Cause I ain't seeing it, maybe Makefile.rules? 09:55 < aegray> which toolchian is microwindows using? 09:56 < bholland> the new one 09:56 < aegray> change it to ues the old one then 09:56 < aegray> ipp was built with the old one 09:56 < bholland> k 09:56 < ai2097> Are you really, really sure :p? 09:56 < aegray> all have to be built with that 09:56 < aegray> afaik 09:56 < bholland> alright 09:57 < bholland> sounds easier 09:57 < bholland> thx 09:59 < aegray> hmm 09:59 < aegray> maybe thats not true :? 09:59 < aegray> weird 09:59 < bholland> eh? 09:59 < aegray> i can link ipp with either toolchain 09:59 < bholland> then I repeat 09:59 < bholland> wtf? 10:00 < ai2097> bholland: It must be you :p. 10:00 < bholland> lol 10:00 < aegray> whats the name of the ipplib you ahve? 10:00 < aegray> have* 10:00 < bholland> one sec 10:00 < aegray> http://www.aegray.com/web/ippAC_XSC41LNX_r.a 10:00 < aegray> try linking against that 10:01 < bholland> ippAC_SA11LNX_d.a 10:01 < bholland> ect... 10:01 < aegray> use mine 10:01 < bholland> k 10:02 < bholland> one sec 10:05 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org || 4G iPods and above are UNSUPPORTED, please be clueful w 10:06 < courtc> 04:56 < bholland> sounds easier 10:06 < courtc> 04:56 < bholland> thx 10:06 < courtc> 04:58 <@aegray> hmm 10:06 < courtc> 04:58 <@aegray> maybe thats not true :? 10:06 < courtc> 04:58 <@aegray> weird 10:06 < courtc> 04:58 < bholland> eh? 10:06 < courtc> 04:59 <@aegray> i can link ipp with either toolchain 10:06 -!- courtc [n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 10:06 < bholland> eh? 10:07 -!- courtc [n=court@c-71-199-169-45.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:07 -!- BHSPitMonkey [i=steve-o@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:07 * aegray is confused 10:07 < courtc> sorry bout that. 10:07 < aegray> what happened? 10:07 < courtc> over eager trackpad 10:08 < aegray> ah 10:08 < bholland> k 10:08 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/ipod_fs_240206.tar.gz 10:08 < bholland> I thought I had said something horribly bad and you were pointing it out 10:08 < bholland> lol 10:09 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=steve-o@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:13 < courtc> can someone try out that userland? 10:13 < courtc> it'll go on the wiki if there aren't any major bugs. 10:17 < bholland> aegray:same thing 10:17 < bholland> its gets the linker error with this file: ippAC_SA11LNX_r.a 10:17 < courtc> need ipp stubs? 10:18 < bholland> ERROR: ../ipp/lib/ippAC_SA11LNX_r.a(ipplib.o) uses hardware FP, whereas podzilla.elf2flt uses software FP 10:18 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/mpdc/ipp-stubs.tar.gz 10:18 < aegray> weird 10:20 < bholland> :) 10:20 < bholland> right on 10:20 < bholland> thanx courtc 10:21 < courtc> no problem. 10:21 < bholland> so I'm guessing the one reffered to on the wiki don't work with the new toolchain? 10:21 < aegray> nope 10:21 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/ipod_fs_240206.tar.gz <-- updated 10:22 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/ipod_fs_240206.tar.gz <-- not updated 10:22 < courtc> one sec. 10:22 * aegray confused 10:23 < aegray> STOP IT! 10:23 < courtc> I uploaded the same file again... 10:23 < bholland> lol 10:24 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/ipod_fs_240206.tar.gz <-- really updated this time 10:24 < bholland> I'm waiting 10:24 < bholland> lol 10:25 < aegray> are you lying this time? 10:25 < courtc> no. 10:25 < courtc> I try not to, but sometimes it happens inadvertently 10:27 < courtc> Is anyone going to try it? 10:27 * aegray doesn't have an ipod he can try it on :( 10:27 < courtc> I guess everyone sane in the states is asleep. 10:27 < bholland> I'll try it 10:27 < bholland> one sec 10:28 < bholland> I just extract this to the root right? 10:28 < courtc> yep 10:28 < ai2097> I'll try it. 10:28 < courtc> preferably a clean root 10:28 < bholland> yeah 10:29 < ai2097> Naturally. 10:29 < bholland> one sec 10:29 < courtc> I added an /iPod_Control link check to the rc 10:29 < bholland> we don't have tar, gzip on the ipod yet do we? (I'm in Winblows) 10:29 < courtc> plus a podzilla with aegray's recent handywork 10:30 < courtc> bholland: no. 10:30 < bholland> k 10:30 -!- BHSPitMonkey [i=steve-o@adsl-64-217-216-234.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:30 < courtc> BHSPitMonkey! 10:31 < bholland> hold on I'm going to have to fire up my laptop 10:31 < bholland> (linux) 10:32 < ai2097> could not run '/etc/rc': Permission denied 10:32 < ai2097> (tar -xzvpf) 10:32 < courtc> eich 10:33 < ai2097> chmod +x, retar, try again :). 10:33 < courtc> uploading a newy. 10:33 < bholland> has anyone tried porting tar and gzip? 10:33 < ai2097> bholland: To? 10:33 < bholland> ipod 10:34 < ai2097> I don't see a reason why it's needed. 10:34 < ai2097> But that doesn't answer your question ;). I don't know. 10:34 < courtc> uploaded, same link again 10:35 < bholland> Well it would be nice right now so I wouldn't have to reboot into linux, I could just tar -xzf ipod_fs... in a start file 10:35 < courtc> bholland: chances are, you have zlib in you toolchain ;) 10:35 < bholland> fun 10:36 < ai2097> I saw "! not found" before PZ started. 10:36 < courtc> bah! me grammar no great at it I am. 10:36 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:36 < courtc> ai2097: ok, [ sucks then. 10:37 -!- ouyrtyury [n=ouyrtyur@couso.ei.uvigo.es] has joined #ipodlinux 10:37 < courtc> rather... minix I guess. 10:37 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:37 < courtc> if ! [ ... ] 10:37 < courtc> ptuy, that's the only thing I didn't test. 10:38 < ai2097> So... if [ ... ]; then :; else :p. 10:39 < courtc> yer. 10:39 < aegray> hehe 10:39 < courtc> well, does everything else work? 10:39 < ai2097> It boots into PZ. There are some complaints about no podzilla.conf being found/using defaults, but that's sane. 10:40 < ai2097> What else do you need tested? 10:40 < courtc> That's supposed to happen. 10:40 < courtc> the fonts, the mountpoint, and the clock. 10:42 < ai2097> Fonts, check. 10:42 < ai2097> Clock reads an hour fast. 10:43 < bholland> daylight savings 10:43 < bholland> ? 10:43 < ai2097> Gah. UK. 10:43 < courtc> long as it's not in 1969 10:43 < ai2097> There are still a couple of "implausibly old" files in the tarball. 10:44 < courtc> 'course, I can touch them all if it'll make you feel better. 10:45 < ai2097> Tar yells at me, that's all :p. 10:45 < courtc> reup'ed with then :; else 10:45 * ai2097 covers a bruised hand "I fell down the stairs!" 10:45 < bholland> how;d you do that? 10:45 -!- dushan_ [n=peter@195-150-91.adsl-s.telecom.sk] has joined #ipodlinux 10:46 < ai2097> Clock is right. 10:46 < courtc> cool. 10:46 < aegray> fuck windows is a bitch 10:46 < ai2097> What about the mountpoint am i checking? 10:46 < ai2097> Damn shift key... 10:46 < aegray> it suddenly decided that i have to activate but its not letting me in now 10:46 < courtc> make sure /mnt is your hda2 partition 10:47 < ai2097> The filebrowser sees ipoddish stuff under /mnt. 10:47 < courtc> cool 10:47 < bholland> aegray: boot safe mode no networking 10:48 < courtc> can you try it with the then :; else? you can do it by hand if you like. 10:48 < aegray> bholland: yea but how do i get it to actually work to login? 10:49 < bholland> (don't patch it with the winxp pro activation patch) 10:49 < courtc> aegray: boot into linux, dd if=/dev/zero .... 10:49 < aegray> hehe 10:49 < aegray> courtc: i kinda need it :P 10:49 < courtc> bullshit! 10:49 < aegray> i don't have the money to go buy a mac 10:49 < aegray> so what do you suggest i do? 10:49 < courtc> linux! 10:49 < aegray> how do i use the videos i bought? 10:50 < aegray> or should i just admit defeat 10:50 < bholland> sp2? 10:51 < courtc> sell them, steal the rest of your videos and send the producer a check. 10:51 < ai2097> ! not found. 10:51 < courtc> ai2097: ... 10:51 < ai2097> Oh. Damn. I know what I did. 10:51 < ai2097> I didn't rm before my wget. 10:52 < bholland> aegray: you could just run osx86 10:52 < aegray> not worth the hassle of trying to get thta setup 10:52 < aegray> i can use windows for other things like ida too 10:52 < bholland> It works fine for me 10:53 < aegray> I have no use for osx 10:53 < bholland> i don't have the money to go buy a mac 10:53 < courtc> osx needs a better toolset, and virtual terminals. 10:53 < aegray> yea i lied 10:53 < ai2097> courtc: Worked like a charm. 10:54 < aegray> i don't want mac 10:54 < bholland> lol 10:54 < courtc> ai2097: cool. 10:54 < bholland> yeah I know 10:54 < courtc> is there a /iPod_Control link now? 10:55 < ai2097> Nnn... lemme double-check that one. 10:55 < ai2097> Yes, and it even points to the right place :) 10:56 < courtc> Awesome! Thank you ai2097! 10:56 < courtc> `excellent ai2097 10:56 < ai2097> No problem :) 10:57 -!- dushan [n=peter@195-150-91.adsl-s.telecom.sk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:57 -!- aegray_ [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ipodlinux 10:58 -!- deadsouls [n=deadsoul@pdpc/supporter/student/deadsouls] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:58 -!- deadsouls [n=deadsoul@pdpc/supporter/student/deadsouls] has joined #ipodlinux 10:58 -!- deadsouls [n=deadsoul@pdpc/supporter/student/deadsouls] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:00 -!- deadsouls [n=deadsoul@pdpc/supporter/student/deadsouls] has joined #ipodlinux 11:00 -!- deadsouls [n=deadsoul@pdpc/supporter/student/deadsouls] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 11:00 < ai2097> Ugh. So many functions. And getting the assert()s in isn't even the real work... it'll be backtracking from the bloody logs that will take all the time. 11:01 < aegray> what are you referring to? 11:01 < aegray> mpd? 11:01 < ai2097> Yes. 11:02 -!- deadsouls [n=deadsoul@pdpc/supporter/student/deadsouls] has joined #ipodlinux 11:02 < ai2097> It's a no-brainer job, but, IMHO, it has to get done. 11:02 < aegray> what are you trying to do? 11:03 < ai2097> Track down latent memory bugs. I'm pretty sure MPD is doing Bad Things. 11:05 < ai2097> I'm slapping some precondition assert()s into all the functions in src/*.c to start off; I'll see if anything goes off in regular use. 11:05 < ai2097> I'm also thinking about compiling with "-fprofile-arcs -ftest-coverage", too, just to see how much of the code gets exercised. 11:06 < ai2097> Come to think of it, I should probably do that -first- and then let the results determine which functions should get priority for checking. 11:07 < ai2097> Putting in "-Wall -ansi -pedantic" and getting rid of all the warnings is further down on my TODO list. 11:11 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:13 < courtc> C89 sucks! 11:13 < courtc> ;D 11:13 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=Installation_from_Linux&curid=751&diff=0&oldid=7918&rcid=10397 11:13 < ai2097> And? 11:14 * courtc shrugs. 11:14 < ai2097> Woo hoo. Yay for updates. 11:14 -!- aegray_ [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:15 * ai2097 wonders how slow MPD will run with the profiling code built in... 11:23 -!- ouyrtyury [n=ouyrtyur@couso.ei.uvigo.es] has quit [] 11:26 < ai2097> Wow. PZ2 just blew up in my face... 11:26 < dushan_> QUESTION: "start" file, is executed by pz2 at startup?? 11:27 < bholland> has all hope been lost on mini recording? not pestering or anything,just wondering... 11:27 -!- JohnNy64-konik [n=JohnNy64@gprs.t-mobile.sk] has joined #ipodlinux 11:27 < ai2097> dushan_: No. There is nothing magic about "start" with your iPL. You didn't use the Windows installer. 11:28 < courtc> bholland: pretty much, they don't seem to have the appropriate hardware. 11:28 < bholland> okay 11:28 < dushan_> ai2097: so, the start file is executed only if I use windows installer? 11:28 < bholland> I thought so when I saw the griffin mic recording worked for the other gens but not the minis 11:29 < aegray> dushan_: yep 11:29 < ai2097> dushan_: More or less. 11:29 < courtc> alright, I updated three pages on the wiki, please fix more if you know of them. 11:29 < bholland> are they missing the hardware or is it just crippled some how? 11:30 < ai2097> dushan_: You can slap "/mnt/start" in your rc file if you want the same functionality. 11:30 < courtc> I'm pretty sure the hardware is just not there at all. 11:30 < bholland> okay 11:31 * courtc has a mini too 11:31 < ai2097> Ah. PZ2 blew up in my face because it has no fonts or schemes. 11:31 < dushan_> my problem is curious, I'm on MacOS X, don't have admin privileges, so I can't install ext2 support, and I have installed pz2 without modules (no file browser), now I don't know how to install them 11:31 < courtc> yep, it'll do that. 11:31 < courtc> ai2097: the fonst should already be fine. 11:31 < courtc> fonts* 11:31 -!- perpleXa [i=perpleXa@dialin-145-254-179-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:31 < ai2097> I do see fonts. No schemes. 11:32 < bholland> does the userland contain fonts? 11:32 < courtc> yep 11:32 < ai2097> It does now :D 11:32 < bholland> right on 11:33 < ai2097> So, where are the schemes if they aren't with PZ2 in the repo? 11:33 < courtc> with ttk in the repo 11:33 < ai2097> A ha. 11:40 -!- ouyrtyury [n=ouyrtyur@couso.ei.uvigo.es] has joined #ipodlinux 11:40 -!- ouyrtyury [n=ouyrtyur@couso.ei.uvigo.es] has left #ipodlinux [] 11:41 -!- ouyrtyury [n=ouyrtyur@couso.ei.uvigo.es] has joined #ipodlinux 11:41 < aegray> ok then... 11:41 < bholland> any luck? 11:41 < aegray> i'm repairing/whatever now 11:41 -!- ouyrtyury [n=ouyrtyur@couso.ei.uvigo.es] has left #ipodlinux [] 11:41 -!- ouyrtyury [n=ouyrtyur@couso.ei.uvigo.es] has joined #ipodlinux 11:41 -!- ouyrtyury [n=ouyrtyur@couso.ei.uvigo.es] has left #ipodlinux [] 11:42 < aegray> alright then... 11:42 -!- ouyrtyury [n=ouyrtyur@couso.ei.uvigo.es] has joined #ipodlinux 11:42 < aegray> woh 11:43 < bholland> ls 11:43 < aegray> . 11:43 < bholland> oops 11:43 < aegray> .. 11:43 < bholland> wrong window 11:43 < bholland> lol 11:44 < ai2097> Since when has the backlight gotten turned off when PZ2 drops to shell? 11:46 < ai2097> It's really hard to read the console with the backlight -on-... it's darn near impossible with the light off :/. 11:48 -!- zedrdave [n=zedrdave@dan75-1-87-88-125-171.dsl.club-internet.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:49 -!- zedrdave [n=zedrdave@dan75-1-87-88-125-171.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 11:53 < ai2097> Ignore me. I'm clearly a moron tonight -_-; 11:53 -!- ouyrtyury [n=ouyrtyur@couso.ei.uvigo.es] has quit [] 11:58 -!- quobl_ [n=quobl@tor/session/x-491628e781239c62] has joined #ipodlinux 12:06 -!- kashi [n=KK@227.179.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 12:09 -!- dushan_ [n=peter@195-150-91.adsl-s.telecom.sk] has quit [] 12:10 < aegray> bholland: nope :( 12:11 < bholland> hmm 12:11 < bholland> thats wierd 12:11 < aegray> fuckin pos 12:11 < aegray> maybe its because its an oem disk 12:11 < aegray> or maybe i should do a clean install 12:14 < ai2097> while(running_windows) { months++; if(months%3 == 0) { reinstall_windows(); } } 12:15 < JohnNy64-konik> for p in `grep ntfs /etc/fstab | cut -f 1`; do mke2fs -jcv $p; done 12:16 < ai2097> JohnNy64-konik: I'd unmount first, to be on the safe/sane side :p. 12:17 < ai2097> And what's up with ext3? Reiserfs, or JFS, or XFS, or -something.- 12:17 < JohnNy64-konik> ai2097: well... after that windoze totally destroyed its own partition it's no more possible to mount it (-: 12:17 < ai2097> Yeah, but mkfs might refuse to run on a mounted device :p. 12:17 -!- intim [i=UNKNOWN@d099123.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit ["leaving"] 12:18 < JohnNy64-konik> haven't tried (-: 12:18 < ai2097> And there might be more than one NTFS partition you want to nuke ;). 12:19 < JohnNy64-konik> sure... 12:19 -!- quobl_ [n=quobl@tor/session/x-491628e781239c62] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:19 < ai2097> (aside from the fscked one that won't mount, that is). 12:20 < aegray> ai2097: months%3 = so fucking true 12:24 < ai2097> That must be the length of the MS test cycle before release :p. 12:25 -!- SereR0kR [n=Fletcher@Fd789.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 12:34 < Paltsu> fuego! 12:38 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has quit ["Sleep is for the week!"] 12:38 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 12:50 < aegray> fuego? 13:00 -!- SereR0kR [n=Fletcher@Fd789.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit ["XChat Aqua"] 13:02 < bholland> well if anyone cares, I ported tar and gzip 13:05 * bholland cares 13:07 -!- SpeTIX [n=SpeTIX@host14-6.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #ipodlinux 13:10 < aegray> bholland: cool 13:10 < bholland> lol 13:10 < bholland> thanx 13:10 < bholland> aegray CARES!! 13:10 < bholland> lol 13:14 -!- Big_Luk [n=lmd@d54C0358D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:22 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:32 -!- Big_Luk [n=lmd@d54C0358D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 13:43 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:44 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:48 -!- ATravelingGeek [n=wiz@rvtheglo.be] has joined #ipodlinux 13:49 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:51 -!- robin_ [n=robin@debian.demon.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 13:51 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #iPodLinux 13:51 < robin_> I idoom also available for rockbox ? 13:52 < robin_> *is 14:17 -!- b-holland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:17 -!- b-holland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:18 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 14:25 -!- ATravelingGeek [n=wiz@rvtheglo.be] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 14:25 -!- perpleXa [i=perpleXa@dialin-145-254-179-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [No route to host] 14:26 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=steve-o@adsl-64-217-216-234.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:28 -!- kanehara-san [n=koda@201.3.238.178] has joined #ipodlinux 14:32 -!- JohnNy64-konik [n=JohnNy64@gprs.t-mobile.sk] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 14:34 -!- kanehara-san [n=koda@201.3.238.178] has quit [] 14:35 -!- JohnNy64-konik [n=JohnNy64@gprs.t-mobile.sk] has joined #ipodlinux 14:35 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@201-27-5-212.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #iPodLinux 14:37 -!- SpeTIX [n=SpeTIX@host14-6.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:43 -!- perpleXa [i=perpleXa@dialin-145-254-179-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:44 -!- CuBie [n=CuBie@82-43-35-210.cable.ubr01.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 14:44 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:52 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@201-27-5-212.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit ["See you ..."] 14:58 -!- KoN_ [n=KoN@tor/session/x-c619a095ca23d60c] has joined #ipodlinux 14:59 < KoN_> hello 14:59 -!- SpeTIX [n=SpeTIX@host14-6.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #ipodlinux 15:01 < KoN_> i just install iPL and pz2 (using ubuntu linux on a 5g ipod), when it boots, it gets to "initializing modules" and then i get an err "Error: no such file or directory" 15:04 < aegray> did you copy and create all the right directories? 15:06 < KoN_> yeah i booted when i initially installed it, then i tried to install mpd and mpdc, it booted partially, created a db file, then crashed a memory dump 15:07 < KoN_> now everytime i boot it i get an error at "mods initializing" 15:07 < aegray> eh 15:07 < aegray> you are using mpd as a module? 15:08 < KoN_> yes 15:09 < JohnNy64-konik> when I tried to use mpd as a module it didn't load it... 15:09 -!- jchillerup [n=jchiller@port167.ds1-vir.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ipodlinux 15:09 < JohnNy64-konik> it didn't even try... 15:10 < KoN_> well i kno the module loads, because mpd --update-db executes before podzilla starts 15:11 < jchillerup> What's so exciting about hotdog1.mp4? That the 5g plays video running Linux? 15:11 < aegray> thats not the 5g playing video 15:11 < jchillerup> What is it, then? 15:12 < aegray> its a graphics engine 15:12 < aegray> to blend with transparency 15:12 < jchillerup> Oh! 15:12 < jchillerup> That makes it much more neat! 15:14 < jchillerup> What's the 5g status? Is it only the menus that are slow? Does it play mp3 and/or ogg real-time? 15:14 < aegray> i dunno - it should but i haven't tried 15:15 < jchillerup> Ok. 15:15 < jchillerup> Is it *dangerous* to test (that is, can I brickify it without being able to restore it with the ipod updater) 15:16 < aegray> you can always restore ipods 15:16 < jchillerup> *Always*-always? Or just Most-of-the-time-always? 15:18 < KoN_> you can always restore an ipod as long as its HD is okay 15:18 < KoN_> but with the reformatting and rebooting nessessary to install iPL, it makes things risky 15:21 < jchillerup> Why? The HD IS okay 15:22 < aegray> always to a certain extent 15:22 < aegray> as long as you dont write a program to overwrite the flash memory or fuck up any of the other hardwear - you're fine 15:22 < jchillerup> yeah, ok 15:25 < jchillerup> Is there an installer app for the 5g, too 15:27 < JohnNy64-konik> an UNIX terminal is the best installer (-: 15:27 < jchillerup> :D 15:28 < jchillerup> I just haven't had any success with the terminal. 15:28 < JohnNy64-konik> how? why? how many? what? where? who? 15:29 < jchillerup> How? I followed the instructions. 15:29 < jchillerup> Why? I wanted to run IPL on my ipod. 15:29 < jchillerup> How many? 1 ipod, 1 terminal. 15:29 < jchillerup> What? fdisk, make_fw, dd 15:29 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 15:29 < jchillerup> Where? Here 15:29 < jchillerup> Who? Me. 15:30 < aegray> wtf is going on 15:31 < jchillerup> In 2006 AD war was beginning. 15:31 < jchillerup> What's happen 15:31 * aegray gets ready to kick people to end the confusion 15:32 < jchillerup> :-) 15:32 < jchillerup> No need. 15:32 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:35 < KoN_> when i boot my 5g, it gets to "initializing modules" and then i get "Update Failed: So Such File or Directory" any idead 15:40 -!- CIA-11 [i=cia@69.90.211.97] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:41 < JohnNy64-konik> finally... mpd is creating the db (-: 15:43 -!- CIA-4 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #ipodlinux 15:46 < JohnNy64-konik> oh no... it created the db but it didn't start... 15:48 < aegray> it has memory issues 15:48 < JohnNy64-konik> yes... 15:50 -!- philhans [n=philip@128.187.140.31] has joined #ipodlinux 15:52 -!- CuBie [n=CuBie@82-43-35-210.cable.ubr01.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:57 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:16 -!- bluey [n=bluey@dslb-084-059-119-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:22 -!- aegray [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:22 -!- aegray [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:23 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o aegray ] by ChanServ 16:24 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 16:25 -!- jchillerup [n=jchiller@port167.ds1-vir.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:26 -!- kashi [n=KK@227.179.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 16:34 -!- G2_vincent [n=ingenieu@Mix-Tuileries-111-1-67.w80-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 16:35 < G2_vincent> anyone tried to run the retailos on armemulator yet ? 16:36 < aegray> which arm emulator? 16:37 < G2_vincent> this one : http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/utilities/armulator/ 16:38 < aegray> armulator = gdb for arm 16:38 < aegray> it doesn't do any mmio stuff 16:38 < aegray> so retailos wouldn't work 16:38 < G2_vincent> couldn't we emulate mmio ? that'd help understanding how it's driving / enabling the BCM routines... 16:39 < aegray> that thing sucks in the first place 16:39 < aegray> look in svn - josh is writing one that suits us much better 16:39 < aegray> armemu 16:42 < G2_vincent> mmh... early beta though 16:43 < G2_vincent> I'm still trying to figure out how to enable the BCM routines, since I'm still on the "PP command triggers a BCM DSP routine" way 16:43 < G2_vincent> though it'd help being able to run the code on an emu... 16:45 < aegray> yea 16:45 * aegray afk for a bit 16:51 -!- djaconil [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:55 -!- iSeeK [n=thedamo@203.161.103.142.dyn.amnet.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 16:56 -!- imphasing_ [n=Administ@70.90.87.129] has joined #ipodlinux 16:56 < iSeeK> omg 16:56 < iSeeK> sup all 16:56 < imphasing_> omg indeed. 16:57 < iSeeK> sorry i havent been around much the ;ast week but i went to go help the guys at the psp-linux project. Man they have no idea what they are doing 16:57 < imphasing_> uh huh.. 16:57 < iSeeK> they are currently trying to run the linux kernal as a app ontop of the psp's os 16:57 -!- kashi [n=KK@227.179.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 16:57 < imphasing_> Sounds like an interestng idea 16:58 < imphasing_> if they're using an emulator 16:58 < iSeeK> there not 16:58 < iSeeK> there compiling the kernal using the bootleg app topolchain 16:58 < imphasing_> No idea what that means 16:58 < imphasing_> And I don't even know what the psp's toolchain is 16:58 < imphasing_> or even what proc is uses 16:59 < iSeeK> you kan runn homade apps on the psp 16:59 < djaconil> Hello everybody 16:59 < iSeeK> so they think that they can just put the kernal into the toolchain for making homade apps and it will magically work 16:59 < iSeeK> so any way back to my first message 17:00 < iSeeK> OMG it looks like they got the lcd working on the 5g 17:00 -!- florian_ [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:00 -!- florian_ [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 17:00 < imphasing_> iSeeK: It's been working.. 17:00 < imphasing_> Just slowly. 17:01 < imphasing_> Some optimizations have been done though 17:01 < imphasing_> I think rockbox gets 52fps 17:01 < imphasing_> I get 27fps on my pacman emulator 17:01 < imphasing_> hotdog get's ~15fps on the demo 17:02 < iSeeK> so does pz run on it? 17:02 < imphasing_> er.. 17:02 < imphasing_> which ones? 17:02 < iSeeK> podzilla 17:02 < iSeeK> any 17:03 < imphasing_> pz2 "runs" 17:03 < iSeeK> yay 17:03 < imphasing_> It's slow though 17:03 < imphasing_> just not as slow as it was 17:03 < iSeeK> last time i was here it wasnt working AT all 17:04 < imphasing_> It's been working for a while 17:04 < imphasing_> just slowluy 17:04 < imphasing_> someone recently put the newer fb driver into the kernel though 17:04 < iSeeK> i havent been on in like 2-3 weeks 17:04 < imphasing_> It's been working for alot longer than that.. 17:04 < imphasing_> just very slowly. 17:04 < iSeeK> is there a windows installer yet? 17:04 < iSeeK> cause my linux box is in pieces atm 17:05 < imphasing_> no 17:05 < iSeeK> and i cbf looking for my konnopix disks 17:05 < iSeeK> oww :( 17:05 -!- G2_vincen1 [n=ingenieu@Mix-Tuileries-111-3-192.w80-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 17:06 < imphasing_> oww? 17:06 < imphasing_> You own a 5g? 17:06 < iSeeK> yeah 17:06 < iSeeK> got it like 2 days b4 christmas 17:07 < iSeeK> while i was other side of the country 17:07 < imphasing_> trying to find this machine.. 17:07 < imphasing_> I can ping it and stuff 17:07 < iSeeK> got it cause i fucked up the hdd on my 4g 17:07 -!- SpeTIX [n=SpeTIX@host14-6.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:07 < imphasing_> but the server isn't responding 17:07 < imphasing_> and I don't know where in the office it's at 17:07 < imphasing_> :( 17:10 < iSeeK> wtf 17:10 < iSeeK> my kb just broke 17:11 < imphasing_> If you're bored, you could install the kernel, and try out my emulator 17:11 < iSeeK> now my comp justs beeps when i press buttons 17:11 < imphasing_> :) 17:11 -!- SereR0kR [n=Fletcher@Fd149.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 17:11 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:11 < iSeeK> so im using an on screen kb 17:12 < iSeeK> hmmm un plugging it and pluggin it back in isnt workin 17:12 < iSeeK> WTF 17:13 < iSeeK> hmm filter keys got turned on so it ignored brief key strokes 17:13 < iSeeK> does knoonopix have an irc client? 17:14 < aegray> irssi 17:14 < iSeeK> kk 17:15 -!- G2_vincent [n=ingenieu@Mix-Tuileries-111-1-67.w80-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:16 < iSeeK> what about ubuntu (found the disk for that instead 17:16 < aegray> irssi is a general unix client 17:16 < aegray> different linux distribs all run the same apps 17:16 < iSeeK> ok kool 17:17 < iSeeK> brb all 17:17 -!- iSeeK [n=thedamo@203.161.103.142.dyn.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:21 -!- perpleXa [i=perpleXa@dialin-145-254-179-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 17:21 -!- paul_ [n=paul@60-234-139-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:21 * Cillian starts trying to compile podzilla... 17:23 -!- G2_vincen1 [n=ingenieu@Mix-Tuileries-111-3-192.w80-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ipodlinux [] 17:28 < BleuLlama> imphasing_: do you have a new nano build for me to try? 17:30 -!- Bi-noix [n=binoix@88.136.122.134] has joined #ipodlinux 17:30 -!- imphasing_ [n=Administ@70.90.87.129] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:30 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 17:31 * BleuLlama afk - lunch 17:32 -!- Bi-noix [n=binoix@88.136.122.134] has quit [Client Quit] 17:33 < Cillian> hmm.... 17:33 < Cillian> arm-uclinux-elf-gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cpp0': No such file or directory 17:34 -!- imphasing_ [n=Administ@70.90.87.129] has joined #ipodlinux 17:36 -!- Bi-noix [n=binoix@88.136.122.134] has joined #ipodlinux 17:36 < Cillian> i should have cpp0, shouldn't I? 17:38 < imphasing_> cpp0? 17:40 < Cillian> that's what the error says 17:40 < Cillian> arm-uclinux-elf-gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cpp0': No such file or directory 17:41 < imphasing_> what are you makiing? 17:41 < Cillian> ttk 17:43 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:43 -!- Bi-noix [n=binoix@88.136.122.134] has quit ["brb"] 17:43 -!- Lex [i=lex@vil.kas.tut.fi] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:43 -!- Lex [i=lex@vil.kas.tut.fi] has joined #ipodlinux 17:44 -!- Lex [i=lex@vil.kas.tut.fi] has quit [Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 17:44 -!- Lex_ [i=lex@vil.kas.tut.fi] has joined #ipodlinux 17:44 < djaconil> cpp0 ?! 17:44 -!- Bi-noix [i=binoix@81.56.247.86] has joined #ipodlinux 17:44 < djaconil> cpp minus 0... 17:44 < Cillian> i dunno... i just read the error message 17:45 -!- paul [n=paul@60-234-139-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 17:45 < djaconil> what distrib ? 17:45 < djaconil> *which 17:45 < Cillian> gentoo 17:48 < djaconil> did you follow all WiKi steps ? 17:48 < Cillian> yeh 17:48 < Cillian> for installing the toolchain 17:50 -!- iSeeK [n=thedamo@203.161.103.142.dyn.amnet.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 17:50 < iSeeK> THAT IS THE LAST F***ING TIME I TRY THAT 17:51 < iSeeK> ubuntu is a peice of shit 17:51 < JohnNy64-konik> yes (-: 17:51 < JohnNy64-konik> debian rules (-: 17:51 < iSeeK> and now i have a brocken dvd burner 17:51 < JohnNy64-konik> ow.. 17:51 < JohnNy64-konik> how? 17:51 < iSeeK> some fucking how ubuntu did it 17:52 < Cillian> how can a distro break a dvd burner? 17:52 < iSeeK> it wont open and is locked shut 17:52 < Cillian> i'm pretty sure it's your fault, and not ubuntu's 17:52 < iSeeK> aha sure 17:52 < Cillian> have you unmounted it? 17:52 < JohnNy64-konik> try cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb -eject 17:52 < Cillian> if you don't unmount a CD/dvd, you can't eject it 17:52 < iSeeK> well i put in the cd rebooted several times and when i try to take the cd out it woudnt open 17:52 < iSeeK> I COULDNT EVEN GET THE FUCKING DISTRO TO BOOT 17:53 < Cillian> jeez... chill out... 17:53 < imphasing_> haha.. 17:53 < iSeeK> it wouldnt even eject in bios mode 17:53 < Cillian> try it in another machine 17:53 < iSeeK> so i got out my knife 17:53 < iSeeK> too late 17:53 < JohnNy64-konik> shit 17:53 < Cillian> ok, now that's probably why it's broken... 17:53 < Cillian> :-P 17:53 < iSeeK> a kinda lose my temper easy 17:53 < iSeeK> oh well 17:53 < djaconil> You don't have a mechanical way to eject the CD ? 17:54 < Cillian> hmm... 17:54 < Cillian> like a needle in the little hole 17:54 < iSeeK> yes but it didnt work 17:54 < iSeeK> ok im tired now im gonna go to bed and then put to gether my linux box so i can put linux on me 5g 17:54 -!- JohnNy64-konik [n=JohnNy64@gprs.t-mobile.sk] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 17:55 -!- iSeeK [n=thedamo@203.161.103.142.dyn.amnet.net.au] has left #ipodlinux [] 17:56 < bluey> USE THE EJECT HOLE IN YOUR DVD DRIVE FFS 17:57 < Cillian> he did, it didn't work 17:57 < Cillian> 17:52 < Cillian> like a needle in the little hole 17:57 < Cillian> 17:52 < iSeeK> yes but it didnt work 17:57 < bluey> uhh =) 17:59 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has quit [] 18:00 < imphasing_> Those always work.. 18:01 < imphasing_> It unlocks the little latch in there. 18:01 < imphasing_> You have to jam it in all the way. 18:06 < imphasing_> ASP is for jerks. 18:06 -!- JohnNy64-konik [n=JohnNy64@gprs.t-mobile.sk] has joined #ipodlinux 18:16 < djaconil> I've implemented the cursor in PNG for tuxchess 18:16 < imphasing_> Nifty.. 18:16 < djaconil> Looks great like if the case was pushed 18:16 < djaconil> Now, it's time to look at the game itself 18:17 < imphasing_> I think it would be "possible" to use the scroll wheel like a touch pad on the 4G+ ipods 18:17 < imphasing_> You can calculate the absolute position of your finger on the wheel 18:17 < djaconil> imphasing_: Are you sure 18:17 < imphasing_> so you could write some code to move the cursor based on where your finger was in the past 18:17 < imphasing_> I think so 18:18 < imphasing_> I know on the 4G+ the wheel can tel you where your finger is on the wheel 18:18 < djaconil> Yes but I only have a 3G :( 18:18 < imphasing_> that's how some of the text input methods work 18:18 < imphasing_> :( 18:18 < djaconil> and iBoy 18:18 < imphasing_> yeah 18:18 < djaconil> We'll see that when the game is okay 18:19 < djaconil> I really like the way ttk/pz2 handles graphics drawing 18:19 < djaconil> much more simpler than pz0 18:25 < imphasing_> yeah 18:25 < imphasing_> josh++ 18:25 < imphasing_> :) 18:28 < djaconil> clap clap 18:29 -!- robin_ is now known as nibor 18:30 -!- nibor is now known as robin_ 18:31 -!- jesh [n=jesh@c-71-192-237-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:31 -!- erus` [i=erus_@88-106-192-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ipodlinux 18:32 < jesh> once the ipod photo is supported would it be possible to view video as well? 18:32 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:35 -!- jesh [n=jesh@c-71-192-237-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 18:38 < BleuLlama> wow. that iSeek guy is an idiot 18:39 < BleuLlama> my bet is that he didn't use a long enough thing for ejecting it 18:39 < BleuLlama> i always keep a butterfly paperclip around for that purpose 18:40 < JohnNy64-konik> I've never had need of it (-: 18:40 < JohnNy64-konik> I was always able to solve it by software... 18:41 < JohnNy64-konik> if I had a problem like that... 18:41 < imphasing_> BleuLlama: I use a mini metal port skewer 18:41 < imphasing_> :) 18:42 < BleuLlama> imphasing_: do you have another nano test subject? 18:42 < imphasing_> I haven't really done anything with it since you tried 18:42 < BleuLlama> ok 18:43 < BleuLlama> can i get a current snapshot of the source tree? 18:43 < imphasing_> I'm filling in my obligatory 1 day per week at the office 18:43 < imphasing_> :) 18:43 < BleuLlama> heh 18:43 < imphasing_> I'm not sure if I put it on my webserver.. 18:43 < imphasing_> let me check 18:43 < imphasing_> I need to set up an ssh server so I can do these things.. 18:44 < imphasing_> I can get it to you when I get home 18:44 < imphasing_> at like 4:00est 18:46 < BleuLlama> no prob 18:46 < BleuLlama> thanks 18:46 < syamajala> w00t 18:46 -!- djaconil_ [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:46 < Cillian> anybody know why I might not have `cpp0' in my cross compiler? 18:46 < imphasing_> I can almost understand the rotating blitter.. 18:46 < Cillian> it doesn't seem it extracted one 18:46 < imphasing_> I think I need to skip every other line or some such to scale.. 18:46 < Cillian> is it trying to use the existing one from my current compiler? 18:47 < syamajala> what does the (uint32_t *) in base = (uint32_t *)addr->s6_addr; mean 18:48 < JohnNy64-konik> I don't have the cpp0... and I didn't have any problems compiling pz2... 18:48 < imphasing_> syamajala: I have no idea what context that's in 18:48 < Cillian> wierd... 18:48 < Cillian> it's c/c++ 18:48 < Cillian> it's a cast 18:48 < Cillian> it changes data from one type to another 18:48 < syamajala> o 18:49 < syamajala> i'm doing some sockets stuff... 18:49 < imphasing_> er...why are you casting, assigning, then casting again? 18:49 < imphasing_> :/ 18:50 < imphasing_> and I doubt that "in" is a type 18:50 < imphasing_> you mean "int"? 18:50 < Cillian> maybe the number being assigned is a different type... 18:50 -!- philhans [n=philip@128.187.140.31] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:50 < imphasing_> just uint32_t base = addr->s6_addr; would work 18:50 < syamajala> imphasing_: i was asking what uint32_t base meant... 18:51 < BleuLlama> imphasing_: i think you read it wrong. he was asking it oddly... he meant: 18:51 < BleuLlama> what does the "(....)" in "base = (....)...." mean? 18:51 < imphasing_> that's declaring "base" as a a variable of type "uint32_t" 18:51 < syamajala> yeah 18:51 < imphasing_> ah.. 18:51 < BleuLlama> Cillian answered right 18:51 < imphasing_> uint32_t is a 32 bit -only- type, good for ip addresses 18:52 < Cillian> ah... seems I forgot to download the c++ file 18:52 < imphasing_> (ip addresses are 32 bit) 18:52 < Cillian> the wiki used to say the c++ one was optional 18:52 < syamajala> yep 18:52 < syamajala> i'm gonna make a little converter 18:52 < imphasing_> ah 18:52 < imphasing_> BleuLlama: Does he really need to cast twice? 18:52 < BleuLlama> he's nt 18:53 < BleuLlama> not 18:53 < JohnNy64-konik> (ipv4 addresses are 32bit (-: ) 18:53 < imphasing_> oooh.. 18:53 < imphasing_> heh. 18:53 < imphasing_> I get it. 18:53 < imphasing_> It looked like one big statement 18:53 < imphasing_> :) 18:54 -!- omgwtf [i=erus_@88-106-192-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ipodlinux 18:54 < syamajala> so you can do things like int a; float b; b = (float *)a; 18:54 < Cillian> is the gdb one required? 18:55 -!- erus` [i=erus_@88-106-192-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:55 -!- omgwtf is now known as erus` 18:55 < imphasing_> syamajala: Sure. 18:55 < syamajala> but if you go the otherway wouldn't you lose stuff? 18:56 < imphasing_> right 18:56 < syamajala> ok 18:56 < imphasing_> that's why you have to be careful when you cast 18:56 < imphasing_> but for something like that, there's no need to case 18:56 < syamajala> yeah 18:56 < JohnNy64-konik> only if you divide... 18:58 < BleuLlama> syamajala: that float example won/t dp what you think it will though 18:58 < syamajala> i see that now... 18:59 < BleuLlama> it doesn't do any conversion. 18:59 < BleuLlama> it just says "that thing you thought was an "A", well, it's really just a "B") etc 18:59 < imphasing_> you could do something like, int a; a = (float *)1.300; 18:59 < imphasing_> (I think...) 19:00 < imphasing_> I haven't casted anyhting in a bit 19:00 < BleuLlama> that does nothing useful 19:00 < BleuLlama> in fact, that won't compile 19:00 < imphasing_> no? 19:00 < BleuLlama> 1.3 is a number, you can't cast a value to be a pointer to a float 19:00 < imphasing_> hehe.. 19:00 < courtc> 1.3f <-- ;) 19:00 < BleuLlama> and then assign it to an int? what the hell? 19:01 < imphasing_> haha 19:01 < imphasing_> Yeah, I don't do much casting 19:01 < imphasing_> :/ 19:01 < imphasing_> Or working with floats for that matter 19:04 -!- djaconil [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:11 < imphasing_> Hell, I didn't even know there was such as thing as a "pointer to a function" until I started reading the hd source 19:11 < imphasing_> :) 19:12 < BleuLlama> everyone should really start with kernighan and ritchie's "The C Programming Language". It's a good solid foundation in the language. 19:12 < BleuLlama> anda good reference guide 19:13 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-67-170-142.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:13 < JohnNy64-konik> and then continue with "The introduction to algorithms" (-: 19:16 < imphasing_> BleuLlama: Yeah, I read the K&R book at night 19:16 < imphasing_> just haven't gotten to that section yet 19:16 < imphasing_> :) 19:16 < syamajala> i read most of it 19:16 < imphasing_> It's not exactly an entertaining book.. 19:17 < BleuLlama> nope. but it's solid 19:17 < imphasing_> that it is 19:17 < imphasing_> I have the ansi version, luckily 19:17 < syamajala> have both 19:17 < BleuLlama> all of the primary concepts of the language, by the authors. 19:17 < syamajala> it was kinda hard learning from the first edition though 19:17 < BleuLlama> i have the K&R version. I used to have ANSI also, but i lent it to someone and never saw it again. :( 19:17 < aegray> anyone know dac stuff here? 19:18 < BleuLlama> i should really drop the $40 and buy another copy 19:18 < imphasing_> Mine was ~$12 19:18 < imphasing_> Used amazazon 19:18 < imphasing_> er, amazon 19:19 < BleuLlama> ooh. i forgot about getting it used. heh 19:19 < syamajala> you can also get it kinda cheap on ebay 19:19 < BleuLlama> i should hit half.com too 19:20 < imphasing_> yeah 19:21 < imphasing_> Most of the stuff I'm learning from iPL corresponds nicely with where I'm at with the K&R book 19:21 < imphasing_> :) 19:24 < BleuLlama> it gets fun when you're writing a function that takes in two pointers to functions, and returns a pointer to a function that takes pointers to arrays of pointers to functions as a parameter 19:25 < BleuLlama> whee 19:25 < BleuLlama> although, at that point, you should really re-think your design. 19:25 < imphasing_> yeah.. 19:25 < imphasing_> that sounds imperialistic. 19:25 < imphasing_> Greedy functions don't belong in code. 19:25 < imphasing_> :P 19:27 < courtc> I always make my greedy functions in song rather than code. 19:29 < imphasing_> "Greedy functions, they have gumption. I don't eat them, but I punch them. I banish them from my code, and kick them out of my abode." 19:31 < syamajala> i should get fink so i can build the latest pz2 19:38 -!- omgwtf [i=erus_@88-106-192-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:39 -!- erus` [i=erus_@88-106-192-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:39 -!- omgwtf is now known as erus` 19:41 < rmh3093> imphasing_: hows mame coming 19:42 < imphasing_> rmh3093: Promising. 19:42 < imphasing_> I compiled the entire version of mame for the ipod 19:42 < rmh3093> nice, have you had any success with any rom's yet 19:42 < imphasing_> not sure if it all works though 19:43 < imphasing_> pacman and pengo work perfectly 19:43 < imphasing_> centipede isn't working yet.. 19:43 < imphasing_> haven't tried anything else 19:43 < imphasing_> BleuLlama: that heuristic OCR program you wrote is really cool looking.. 19:43 < imphasing_> :o 19:44 < rmh3093> today was my last day for class so now i have some time to start working on some productive things 19:44 < rmh3093> i will have to try out pacman 19:44 < imphasing_> I'm at the "office" now, so I can't really do anything 19:44 < imphasing_> But I'm working on getting the photo/nano/color lcds working 19:44 < imphasing_> and writing a scaling blitter 19:45 < rmh3093> how do I get a copy of your work, did you get a diff to work yet? 19:46 < imphasing_> Not yet, but when I get home, I'll put a tarball of the latest on my server 19:46 < imphasing_> It should build fine with arm-uclinux-elf-gcc 19:46 < rmh3093> cool, that would be nice 19:47 < imphasing_> I can't seem to get the diffs to apply cleanly 19:47 -!- quobl_ [n=quobl@tor/session/x-f0eb1bbf72f5db4d] has joined #ipodlinux 19:47 < rmh3093> i can see what i can do later when i get that tar 19:47 < rmh3093> i used to have this nice script 19:47 < rmh3093> for when i was making kernel patches 19:48 < rmh3093> which removed all the junk and crap 19:48 < imphasing_> cool 19:48 < rmh3093> cant find it though 19:48 < imphasing_> Mine is a relativly 19:48 < imphasing_> "clean" port 19:48 < imphasing_> I didn't delete anything 19:48 < imphasing_> just changed some source files, and wrote a new makefiles 19:48 < imphasing_> And put some of the hotdog source in for the lcd drivers 19:49 < rmh3093> are you using an editor like nano or vi when you write that code 19:50 < courtc> hah! nano to code? 19:50 < rmh3093> u know what i mean 19:50 < rmh3093> is it console or X based? 19:50 < rmh3093> your editor 19:51 < imphasing_> rmh3093: I use nvi 19:51 < imphasing_> in an xterm winow 19:51 < imphasing_> er, window 19:51 < JohnNy64-konik> vim rules... 19:51 < imphasing_> nvi == non bloated vim 19:51 < imphasing_> I also use gedit for quick sloppy editing 19:52 < imphasing_> and xemacs 19:52 < imphasing_> I use most editores. 19:52 < imphasing_> s/editores/editors/ 19:52 < imphasing_> They all have their merits 19:52 < imphasing_> :) 19:53 < rmh3093> you should try using "quilt" with your next project, it keeps track of all your changes to files, creates patches for you plus a little more, check it out 19:53 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 19:53 < courtc> nvi isn't directly related to vim. nvi is a vi-like editor, so is vim. 19:53 < JohnNy64-konik> courtc: exactly... 19:53 < imphasing_> courtc: nvi is more like the unix version of vi 19:53 < imphasing_> just a simple editor 19:54 < JohnNy64-konik> and vim has more features... 19:54 < imphasing_> and vim is a rewritten vi, with lots of other features 19:54 < imphasing_> Right. Features that I don't need/want 19:54 < imphasing_> :) 19:54 -!- ghode|afk [i=testing@host-84-9-105-90.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:54 < rmh3093> http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/quilt 19:54 < JohnNy64-konik> does nvi support syntax highlighting? 19:54 < imphasing_> JohnNy64-konik: Nope. 19:54 < JohnNy64-konik> ow... 19:55 < courtc> Like multiple window (OMG) and function autocompletion (omg) and function folding (omg) 19:55 < JohnNy64-konik> that's a feature I like really very much... 19:55 < imphasing_> but it can open a 12million line file in ~12 seconds 19:55 < imphasing_> :) 19:55 < JohnNy64-konik> haven't tried with vim... 19:55 < courtc> imphasing_: vim will do it in less.... 19:55 < imphasing_> courtc: Really.. 19:55 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 19:55 < courtc> I think so. 19:56 < imphasing_> Even though it has to highlight, and do some simple parsing to see what sort of file it is? 19:56 < JohnNy64-konik> depends on the machine you do it on... 19:56 < courtc> yep 19:56 < imphasing_> I don't remember the exact time, but it was not much 19:56 < courtc> it doesn't highlight the whole file at once. 19:56 < imphasing_> I think it was the firmware dump from the ipod that I opened.. 19:57 < imphasing_> courtc: There's probably not much advantage to nvi, but I like to keep it simple 19:57 < imphasing_> I have emacs when I want more features though 19:57 < courtc> I understand, vim *is* 6mb 19:58 < imphasing_> :o 19:58 < courtc> I try to use all 6 mB though ;) 19:58 < imphasing_> hehe 19:58 < BleuLlama> 1.04mb on OS X 19:58 < imphasing_> you use more of your 6mb than I use of my 300k, that's for sure 19:58 < imphasing_> :) 19:59 < courtc> BleuLlama: lots of extensions here :) 19:59 < imphasing_> BleuLlama: What do you use? 19:59 < courtc> 2.3M /usr/bin/vim 19:59 < JohnNy64-konik> 1505828 KB with GTK on Debian... 19:59 < BleuLlama> usually 'vi', but it seems as though it's 'vim' on my laptop 19:59 < BleuLlama> but i turn off all of that color crap 20:00 < BleuLlama> it only slows it down 20:00 < JohnNy64-konik> no... 1505828 bytes (-: with GTK on Debian... 20:00 < imphasing_> vi is usually a symlink to vim 20:00 < courtc> JohnNy64-konik: umm.. 1500 MB? 20:00 < imphasing_> yeah, I don't really use the highlighting on any editors.. 20:00 < JohnNy64-konik> lol 20:00 < BleuLlama> vi in Terminal windows, or if i'm on my Sun, in xterms 20:00 < BleuLlama> although, if i'm coding OS X applications, i use the XCode IDE 20:00 < BleuLlama> which is actually pretty nice. 20:01 < imphasing_> I liked xcode when I had a mac.. 20:01 < courtc> I can't stand ides :/ 20:01 < imphasing_> That's really the only part of os x I liked though 20:01 < djaconil_> BleuLlama: Agree 20:01 < djaconil_> XCode is great 20:01 < imphasing_> I don't really like IDEs as a rule though 20:01 < imphasing_> They bug me 20:01 < BleuLlama> same here 20:01 < imphasing_> msvc gives me nightmares.. 20:01 < courtc> I disliked Xcode too, it was much too slow and bloated. 20:01 < imphasing_> :( 20:02 < BleuLlama> especially when you get to one like Visual C++, which takes up about 75% of your screen with toolbars, buttons and lists 20:02 < imphasing_> BleuLlama: Yeah, it's way to invasive.. 20:02 < BleuLlama> i like for 90% of my screen to be covered with text editing windows. 20:02 < BleuLlama> ;) 20:02 < BleuLlama> and ipods 20:02 < rmh3093> that drives me nuts 20:02 < djaconil_> courtc: It was, it's much more responsive now 20:02 < imphasing_> I like to have 2 half windows open, and a browser for firefox 20:02 < imphasing_> works well with my two screen 20:03 < imphasing_> I can glance over at the browser when I'm stuck 20:03 < imphasing_> :) 20:03 < djaconil_> BleuLlama: With exposé, I have always plenty of editing windows 20:03 < courtc> I like 50/50 or 25/75 gvim/xterm 20:03 < BleuLlama> i generally have one terminal window for irssi, then two for editing, one for 'make'. sometimes a safari window underneath with ref. materials in that 20:03 < imphasing_> Ion is the greatest window manager 20:04 < imphasing_> :) 20:04 * BleuLlama jsut finished writing an essay about Histogram Equalization. whee! http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/Zeitgeist/histogram_equalization/ 20:04 < imphasing_> In my case at least. 20:04 < BleuLlama> i like AmiWM (with my 1.3 appearance additions), wmx, and twm 20:04 < imphasing_> ion doesn't have floating windows 20:04 < imphasing_> I sort of like that 20:04 < BleuLlama> my amiwm hacks: http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/Software/amiwm/ 20:04 < courtc> I'd use a tiling window manager if vim had an 80col auto wrap 20:04 < imphasing_> I have the left screen split in two; one irssi, one broswer 20:05 < imphasing_> and the right screen with two vi's 20:06 * imphasing_ can't stand emac's autowrap 20:06 * courtc uses 12 virtual desktops over two x sessions :) 20:06 < imphasing_> gah.. 20:06 * imphasing_ types xinit & then ion &, and is done 20:06 < imphasing_> :) 20:07 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:07 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:08 < courtc> and you can live in only one desktop? 20:08 * BleuLlama only uses one desktop 20:09 * courtc doesn't understand it. 20:09 < courtc> unless you have a 52" screen 20:09 * aegray does 20:10 < BleuLlama> i do sometimes ^z from a vi session to edit something else, or perhaps bring up another terminal to reference a .h or somesuch 20:10 < imphasing_> courtc: I have two large screens 20:10 < imphasing_> and with the tabs on my wm, I can keep open hoards of windows 20:10 < imphasing_> :) 20:10 < BleuLlama> i have a directory stack thingy i wrote which makes having N directories available quickly easy to use 20:10 < courtc> :new file.h 20:10 < BleuLlama> bad grammar, sorry 20:10 < courtc> :) 20:11 < BleuLlama> http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/Software/perl/#dirt 20:11 < BleuLlama> :) 20:12 < courtc> BleuLlama: yea, I never understood what it did. 20:12 < imphasing_> BleuLlama: Cool.. 20:12 < imphasing_> I could never get my webcam to work 20:12 < imphasing_> :) 20:12 < imphasing_> I should try your program 20:13 -!- SereR0kR [n=Fletcher@Fd149.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit ["XChat Aqua"] 20:14 -!- omgwtf [i=erus_@88-106-192-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:14 -!- erus` [i=erus_@88-106-192-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:14 -!- omgwtf is now known as erus` 20:14 < imphasing_> Someone got midi playing on the ipod.. 20:15 < imphasing_> Coooool. 20:16 -!- KoN_ [n=KoN@tor/session/x-c619a095ca23d60c] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:18 < erus`> but its slow. becuase aparently too many float ops 20:19 < imphasing_> It's not slow anymore 20:19 < imphasing_> He got it to load a midi file in ~5 seconds 20:19 < imphasing_> and play pretty much perfectly 20:23 < BleuLlama> using which lib? 20:24 < imphasing_> it's "timidity" or some such 20:25 < BleuLlama> aah. ok 20:32 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-67-170-142.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:33 < imphasing_> time to head home 20:33 < imphasing_> :) 20:34 -!- erus` [i=erus_@88-106-192-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 20:36 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 20:38 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has joined #ipodlinux 20:41 -!- JohnNy64-konik [n=JohnNy64@gprs.t-mobile.sk] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 20:44 -!- JohnNy64-konik [n=JohnNy64@gprs.t-mobile.sk] has joined #ipodlinux 20:45 -!- imphasing_ [n=Administ@70.90.87.129] has quit ["Homeward Ho!"] 20:47 -!- Z_Man [n=Zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 20:48 < zedrdave> what exactly is P2 missing from Podzilla at the moment? 20:49 < josh_> video player, a few of the games 20:49 < josh_> support for executing external apps on their own TTY 20:49 < zedrdave> hmn... sorry about the noob question, but any reason the videoplayer can't be compiled into P2? 20:51 -!- bluey [n=bluey@dslb-084-059-119-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:53 -!- quobl [n=quobl@tor/session/x-a8f2698364d88d75] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 20:53 -!- bushblowz [n=knoppix@nphloh-terayon1-69-165-50-227.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:53 < zedrdave> and talking about videoplayer, any chance it may one day detect byte order and possibly swap them when readin big-endian-encoded raw movies? 20:56 -!- ``Respect [n=norman@CPE004005bdc2f2-CM000f212f9991.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #Ipodlinux 20:57 -!- bushblowz [n=knoppix@nphloh-terayon1-69-165-50-227.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:01 -!- paul [n=paul@60-234-139-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:01 -!- Z_Man [n=Zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [] 21:02 -!- paul_ [n=paul@60-234-139-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 21:03 < zedrdave> huh... okay... 21:04 < zedrdave> and since I'm there talking to myself: anybody knows of a link to a unicode bitmap font? the one on the wiki seems dead (returns an html page with a .tar extension) 21:05 < JohnNy64-konik> maybe the reason that nobody answers is that nobody knows... (-: 21:05 < zedrdave> JohnNy64-konik: I suppose so... 21:05 < zedrdave> though I'm sure somebody's bound to have an idea on videoplayer dev. or maybe I should go on the dev channel? 21:07 < ``Respect> Q: Does any one know what unresolved symbols mean? 21:08 < JohnNy64-konik> I got that error once when I tried to load a module that depended upon an other module which wasn't loaded... 21:08 < ``Respect> okay 21:08 < ``Respect> hmm 21:09 < ``Respect> i think that i found the problem, hope i did 21:09 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 21:11 < zedrdave> ok. here is another one... what's the deal between ipodlinux and rockbox? 21:11 < zedrdave> any cooperation? completely sep. devs? 21:13 < ``Respect> nope, problem is still there :\ 21:13 < BleuLlama> zedrdave: two completely different teams 21:14 -!- Lex_ is now known as Lex 21:14 < BleuLlama> zedrdave: although we've gotten a bunch of code and information from them, and vice versa 21:14 < ``Respect> rockbox just uses ipodlinux's bootloader 21:14 < zedrdave> k, what I thought... sounds like a bit of a waste, though... 21:14 < zedrdave> so, technically, it probably would be possible to have a bootloader made with all three? 21:14 < BleuLlama> zedrdave: one of their devs came up with a good idea to speed up the 5g draw routines, we've taken some of their ideas into our bootloader (version 2) 21:14 < BleuLlama> all three? 21:14 < BleuLlama> yes 21:15 < zedrdave> interesting. 21:15 < BleuLlama> i don't think it's a waste 21:15 < zedrdave> Haven't played with the player at all, tough... 21:15 < BleuLlama> they've got their goals, we have ours 21:15 < ``Respect> Any one know wat this error would mean? this is just about one of the like 15 lines of them with diffrent ends but : insmod : unresolved symbol alloc_etherdev 21:15 < BleuLlama> by doing different things, we each find out different information, and since we're both cool with eachother, we share that information, so we all benefit 21:15 < BleuLlama> :) 21:15 < zedrdave> BleuLlama: no, just in that if, say, you could run the rockbox player inside ipodlinux, would be that much less work to do 21:16 -!- joecool [n=joecool@no-sources/joecool] has joined #ipodlinux 21:16 < BleuLlama> well, iirc, their system is an all-or-nothing thing. ours is a full OS with applications running on it. (I could be wrong on this)... very different approaches 21:17 < BleuLlama> (neither is wrong or right, just different approaches) 21:17 < zedrdave> BleuLlama: yes, I understand that, but for example, isn't there any code worth reusing as far as playing audio goes? 21:18 < zedrdave> admittedly, I *very* new to the whole thing (only installed ipodlinux yesterday)... 21:18 < zedrdave> and since I'm there throwing stupid questions: 21:18 < BleuLlama> we might be using the same libraries underneath it all, if that's what you mean 21:18 < BleuLlama> i'm not positive though 21:18 < BleuLlama> i'm not involved with mpd development or rockbox dev at all 21:18 < zedrdave> what are the chances of getting sound playback to work as a bg process on ipodlinux? can the proc handle it? 21:19 < courtc> `mpd 21:19 < iplbot> Music Player Daemon(MPD) information is available at http://ipodlinux.org/MPD. Binaries/Source are available at http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/mpdc/ An unofficial tutorial is at http://nanoSouffle.net/beta/nanoMod?name=podMPD Other than that, you're on your own! [from courtc] 21:19 < zedrdave> nm. got my answer. 21:20 < BleuLlama> yep. that's what mpd is for 21:20 * BleuLlama afk. 21:20 < ``Respect> again question: Any one know wat this error would mean? this is just about one of the like 15 lines of them with diffrent ends but : insmod : unresolved symbol alloc_etherdev 21:21 < ``Respect> 5thgen boot, loading ipodlinux 21:21 < courtc> ``Respect: remove the modprobe lines from your rc. 21:21 < BleuLlama> didn't we tell him to do that yesterday too? 21:22 < ``Respect> okay 21:23 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:24 < ``Respect> courtc: that would be ln -s? 21:25 < courtc> . . . 21:25 < imphasing> wow.. 21:25 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Ping? 21:25 < BleuLlama> imphasing: Pong. 21:25 < imphasing> nifty 21:26 -!- wizatcomp [n=wizatcom@pool-71-254-29-175.clppva.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:26 < imphasing> I'm making a tarball or you now 21:26 < BleuLlama> cool 21:26 < imphasing> http://imphasing.myvnc.com/mame-port.tar.gz 21:27 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o courtc ] by ChanServ 21:27 < imphasing> The main file of note is src/unix/ipodlinux.c 21:27 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b *!*n=norman@*.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ] by courtc 21:27 -!- ``Respect was kicked from #ipodlinux by courtc [learn some. Also, how to read.] 21:27 < imphasing> hotdog_lcd.c is what I use to detect what driver to use 21:28 < imphasing> and it calls the right update function based on that 21:28 < BleuLlama> cool 21:28 < imphasing> I have the makefile building -all- the games, which works, but I haven't tested anything besides pacman/pengo and centipede 21:28 < BleuLlama> ok 21:29 < BleuLlama> i might poke at the nano stuff and scaling tonight if i'm feeling masochistic 21:29 < imphasing> :) 21:29 < imphasing> cool 21:29 < BleuLlama> (that's not in reference to your code. i don't know your code well enough to make fun of it yet... it's with reference to the MAME code) 21:29 < BleuLlama> :) 21:30 < courtc> I think the was well warrented btw. He pm me without asking, after being repeatedly referred to the topic. He's been antagonizing the entire channel, but won't listen to any advise. 21:30 < BleuLlama> i agree completely 21:30 -!- erus` [i=erus_@88-106-166-151.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:31 < Bi-noix> imphasing: did you port MAME for ipl ? 21:31 < BleuLlama> work in progress, Bi-noix 21:31 < Bi-noix> that sounds so great :D 21:31 < courtc> And apparently I can't speak the english. 21:31 < Bi-noix> I never thought there would be enough CPU in the iPod for mame emulation 21:31 < erus`> the english is lesser than the french 21:32 < BleuLlama> it's not 100% speed 21:32 < erus`> bu im shit at french :( 21:32 < BleuLlama> it's like running MAME on a P75 21:32 < Bi-noix> oh ok 21:32 < BleuLlama> you'll probably get Pac-Man playable, but not Virtua Fighter 3 21:32 < BleuLlama> ;) 21:32 < Bi-noix> should be fun anyway 21:32 < Bi-noix> ;) 21:32 < BleuLlama> although... once the mpeg decoding chip gets figured out for 5g, Daphne would be neat to port to the 5g 21:33 < BleuLlama> hehehe 21:33 < BleuLlama> play the old laserdisc games, in emulation, on an ipod 21:34 < courtc> http://www.daphne-emu.com/screenshots/screenshots/cliff4.jpg 21:34 < courtc> go lupin! 21:35 < imphasing> Yeah, I skip 2 frames per second to make it playable 21:35 < imphasing> with no skipping, it's a tad slow 21:36 < courtc> optimizzze! 21:36 < imphasing> courtc: Yezzzz 21:36 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Feel free to ridicule my Makefile and/or code 21:36 < imphasing> :P 21:37 < courtc> Your code sucks! 21:37 < imphasing> Indeed. 21:37 < imphasing> Have you seen it though? 21:38 < imphasing> :/ 21:38 < courtc> no. 21:39 -!- erus` [i=erus_@88-106-166-151.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 21:39 < courtc> I'm just using BleuLlama's ridiculing tokens... you never said he had to look at the code first. 21:40 < BleuLlama> imphasing: actually, i have a change to the makefile 21:40 < BleuLlama> http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/tmp/Makefile 21:40 < courtc> set up a repository for it. 21:40 < BleuLlama> i should 21:41 * courtc tries to install darcs again. 21:41 < BleuLlama> imphasing: want me to set up a repository for it at opensvn? 21:42 < courtc> last time I tried ghc couldn't compile itself. 21:42 < BleuLlama> i just grabbed binaries of Darcs 21:42 < courtc> no linux-ppc ones :/ 21:42 < BleuLlama> ah. gotcha 21:43 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b *!*n=norman@*.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ] by josh_ 21:44 -!- wizatcomputer [n=wizatcom@pool-71-254-29-175.clppva.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:44 < josh_> (if he comes back and continues to misbehave, he gets it again) 21:44 -!- ciocco [i=tuonik@host90-77.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ipodlinux 21:44 -!- ciocco [i=tuonik@host90-77.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has left #ipodlinux [] 21:44 < imphasing> BleuLlama: yeah, sure. That'd be cool. 21:45 < BleuLlama> ok. 21:45 < BleuLlama> imphasing: grab the makefile i just url'ed, in the meantime. 21:45 < BleuLlama> ;) 21:45 < imphasing> ok 21:45 < imphasing> :) 21:45 < imphasing> thanks 21:45 < BHSPitMonkey> will it be in the same place as pz2 and ttk are? 21:45 < BleuLlama> no 21:45 < BHSPitMonkey> mmk 21:46 -!- wizatcom [n=wizatcom@pool-71-254-29-175.clppva.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:46 < BleuLlama> i'll put the address in here when it happens though 21:46 < BHSPitMonkey> cool 21:46 * BleuLlama goes to opensvn... 21:46 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 21:46 -!- ``Respect [n=norman@CPE004005bdc2f2-CM000f212f9991.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:46 < imphasing> BleuLlama: You just changed it to create the obj dirs, right? 21:46 < BleuLlama> yep 21:47 * BleuLlama setting up the svn repo now 21:47 < imphasing> Thanks. 21:47 < imphasing> :) 21:48 < imphasing> courtc: Darcs was really easy to install for my distro 21:48 < imphasing> It works pretty well too 21:48 < imphasing> I use it to control all the websites I write 21:48 < courtc> linux on ppc? 21:49 < imphasing> Oh yeah, you're on ppc.. 21:49 < courtc> That was kinda the point... 21:49 -!- Shadowarrior13 [i=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:49 < imphasing> If you used my distro though, you'd already be done 21:49 < imphasing> :) 21:49 < courtc> on ppc? 21:49 < BleuLlama> imphasing: it'll be up in 10 minutes 21:49 < imphasing> courtc: Yeah. 21:50 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Cool. 21:50 < courtc> the problem was ghc, not the distro. 21:50 < BleuLlama> then i can start dropping the files in 21:50 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Ah, cool. 21:50 < imphasing> I've never written to svn before. 21:50 < courtc> ghc couldn't compile a certain version of itself on ppc. 21:50 < BleuLlama> i'm thinking we might want to put the actual 0.18 source in there as the first version, then re-apply the patches to it. (i can do this) 21:50 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Alright, cool. 21:50 < BleuLlama> that way all of the changes are documented 21:50 < imphasing> I couldn't get a decent patch made 21:51 < imphasing> Yeah, good idea 21:51 < BleuLlama> i'll just run a recursive diff. 21:51 < imphasing> ok 21:52 < BleuLlama> i'm seriously considering getting another nano, and build a tiny (4" tall?) cabinet and have a working to-scale mame cabinet 21:52 < BleuLlama> hehe 21:52 < imphasing> That would be pretty kickass.. 21:52 < imphasing> Especially if you could interface a joystick with it 21:53 < imphasing> hehe 21:53 < BleuLlama> imphasing: mind a pm? 21:53 < imphasing> Fire away 21:55 < zedrdave> about the file browser (and the FS in general), what encoding does it use for file/folder names? 21:55 < zedrdave> is it UTF-8? 21:55 < BHSPitMonkey> BleuLlama: why not just make something you could slip the current one into 21:56 < BleuLlama> because it would stick out the side 21:57 < BHSPitMonkey> meh 21:57 < courtc> zedrdave: the filesystem is set as iso8859-1, so no. 21:57 < BleuLlama> i suppose i could make plans for a foamcore cabinet you can slide your nano into 21:58 < zedrdave> courtc: arg. so that means there's no way to show a filename in a non latin encoding? 21:58 < zedrdave> how difficult would it be to change the encoding (i.e. should I even bother diggin in the source) 21:59 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-67-170-142.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:00 < courtc> zedrdave: hmm... set the fs encoding, possibly one or two lines in the source 22:00 < courtc> maybe a lot more. 22:00 < zedrdave> ok. if it's that straightforward, might be worth giving it a shot... been looking for an angle to start tweaking anyway :) 22:01 < courtc> zedrdave: try it first make sure it doesn't work already, use unifont 22:01 < zedrdave> but I'm curious then what the unicode fonts have been used for previously if the fs didn't support other encodings... 22:01 < zedrdave> courtc: well, if I was asking... ;) 22:01 < courtc> artist/album/title 22:01 < courtc> translations. 22:01 < courtc> etc. 22:01 < zedrdave> courtc: oh, right... except for some reason my playlist sections borks here... 22:02 < zedrdave> maybe I should update podzilla with today's build... 22:02 < courtc> oh, you're talk about podzilla0? 22:02 < zedrdave> courtc: I just created a new .fnt file with kanjis and tried adding japanese filenames in UTF-8... obviously wasn't recognized 22:02 -!- wizatcomp [n=wizatcom@pool-71-254-29-175.clppva.east.verizon.net] has quit [Network is unreachable] 22:02 < zedrdave> courtc: podzilla 1, yea, I believe so... 22:02 < courtc> might be a one line change in source. 22:03 < courtc> podzilla0 ;) there is no pz1 22:03 < zedrdave> ah ok. sorry. still a noob to all that. didn't even know there was a pz2 whn I installed it yesterday... 22:04 < zedrdave> though considering all the length i went to in order to get videos playing on my nanos, I don't think I'm about to lose the videoplayer right away :) 22:04 < courtc> zedrdave: search for ASCII in filebrowser.c and change it to UTF8 22:04 < zedrdave> so I guess I'll stick with Pz1 for now... 22:04 < zedrdave> courtc: sounds easy enough, indeed... 22:05 < zedrdave> just need to actually set myself to compile all that (think I did the install from binaries yesterday). 22:05 < courtc> I seem to recall it not working properly, make sure your filesystem is set as utf8 22:05 < zedrdave> courtc: so I'd have to fix both fs and pz, huh? 22:05 < zedrdave> btw, any reason not to enable utf-8 directly? 22:05 < zedrdave> utf-8 is good :) 22:06 < courtc> Huh? 22:06 < imphasing> josh_: Am I right in thinking that _HD_ARM_UpdatePhoto doesn't actually do anything, and I should be using lcd_update_display? 22:06 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:06 < zedrdave> why not have both FS and Pz configured to use UTF-8 directly? 22:06 < zedrdave> so as to support any other languages out of the box... 22:07 < courtc> It didn't work with iso8859-1, and I didn't want to change the userland 22:07 < zedrdave> ah, ok... 22:08 < zedrdave> I'm thinking of tackling a small dictionary app as my first attempt at a project... 22:08 -!- djaconil [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:08 < zedrdave> just wondering first if it wouldn't be easiest to implement it as a dumb filetree... 22:09 < josh_> imphasing: it doesn't work, correct 22:09 < josh_> if you want to fix it, be my guest :P 22:10 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has joined #ipodlinux 22:11 < imphasing> hehehe.. 22:11 < courtc> jonrelay: ping 22:11 < iplbot> I think he left. 22:11 < courtc> stfu iplbot 22:11 < imphasing> The best I'd be able to do is poke at it, and if by chance I made it work, it would be coincidence. 22:12 -!- ``Respect [n=norman@CPE004005bdc2f2-CM000f212f9991.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:14 < josh_> imphasing: do you know ARM asm very well? 22:14 -!- bushblowz [n=knoppix@nphloh-terayon1-69-165-50-227.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:16 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:16 < BleuLlama> where the hell is the thing to upload images to the wiki 22:16 < josh_> http://ipodlinux.org/Special:Upload 22:16 < BleuLlama> upload file. 22:16 < BleuLlama> thanks! 22:17 < imphasing> josh_: I can muddle my way through it, but I don't know it real well. 22:17 < imphasing> josh_: I'm learning though 22:17 < imphasing> :) 22:18 < JohnNy64-konik> hmm... anybody with a nano with mpd working here? 22:18 * aegray points at courtc 22:18 * imphasing watches courtc run away 22:18 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 22:19 < djaconil> JohnNy64-konik: no mpd and no nano for me so just do the exact inverse things I've done... 22:19 < JohnNy64-konik> (-: 22:19 -!- djaconil_ [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:19 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Oh god..I'm such a dork. 22:19 < imphasing> I forgot to include M6502.h back into cpuintrf.c when I put centipede in 22:20 < imphasing> :) 22:20 < BleuLlama> i'll just add it here 22:20 < JohnNy64-konik> I was just wondering if it is possible to get it to work when it crashes with this messages: http://pastebin.com/571038 22:21 < imphasing> BleuLlama: There's also some other places where I commented out the others cores. 22:21 < imphasing> in cpuintrf.c 22:21 < BleuLlama> ok 22:21 < courtc> JohnNy64-konik: that's not an error message 22:21 < BleuLlama> perhaps that's why centipede crashes 22:21 < BleuLlama> actually 22:22 < imphasing> It's possible 22:22 < imphasing> :P 22:22 < BleuLlama> that's more than likely why centipded doesn't work 22:22 < imphasing> yeah 22:22 < imphasing> I'm recompiling now 22:22 < JohnNy64-konik> courtc: well, but after that it writes this it chashes... 22:22 < ai2097> JohnNy64-konik: How do you know? 22:22 < JohnNy64-konik> ai2097: because it is not running? 22:23 < courtc> are you sure? because it's not supposed to go into daemon mode after it does what prints that message. 22:23 < ai2097> +1 courtc. 22:23 < ai2097> JohnNy64-konik: You have "/bin/mpd --update-db" followed by "/bin/mpd" in your /etc/rc file, right? 22:24 < JohnNy64-konik> ai2097: right 22:24 < ai2097> So, that message is output by the former command, not the latter. 22:24 < ai2097> The latter is exiting, presumably successfully. Did you build your own MPD? 22:24 < JohnNy64-konik> ok... 22:24 < imphasing> BleuLlama: I now get several frames of fps counter in cetipede 22:24 < imphasing> but still no cetipede 22:25 < BleuLlama> hrm 22:25 < ai2097> Err, the former is exiting, presumably successfully. 22:25 < imphasing> There might be some other stuff though 22:25 < BleuLlama> oh, try this: 22:25 < imphasing> I'm looking through 22:25 < BleuLlama> reverse the polarity of the neutron flow. 22:25 < BleuLlama> that'll work 22:25 < imphasing> ah, of course.. 22:25 < imphasing> it's so simple! 22:25 < courtc> That always does it. 22:25 < JohnNy64-konik> ai2097: no, I haven't built it... 22:25 < JohnNy64-konik> yes, now I see... the --update-db one writes it... 22:26 < ai2097> JohnNy64-konik: Well, did you follow all the instructions on how to get it installed? There are several reasons why mpd might not start happily. 22:26 < JohnNy64-konik> ai2097: yes, I checked it twice... 22:27 < zedrdave> to compile Pz0, do I need the older version of the Arm cross-compiler, or does the newer version work? 22:27 < JohnNy64-konik> aaahhhh... YES! now it magically works (-: 22:27 < ai2097> Including, but not limited to: missing /etc/mpd.conf, non-existing MPD playlist directory, no /iPod_Control -> /mnt/iPod_Control symlink, no loopback/127.0.0.1 interface... 22:27 < JohnNy64-konik> byt I have no idea why it didn't work... 22:27 < courtc> JohnNy64-konik: did you put a sleep between the commands? 22:27 < JohnNy64-konik> ai2097: everything set up corectly... 22:27 < JohnNy64-konik> courtc: no... 22:28 < JohnNy64-konik> courtc: needed? 22:28 < courtc> ok, just curious. 22:28 < courtc> after it updates the database, there is a bunch of fragmented memory, so it causes problems when mpd asks for 10mB 22:29 < JohnNy64-konik> ah ha... 22:29 * courtc inserts more random commas. 22:30 < courtc> We're working on that. 22:33 < JohnNy64-konik> ow... but now, that I have mpd working, I get always the error "Could not load module libstdcxx: Out of memory" when I start pz2... 22:33 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 22:33 < courtc> yea, remove it. 22:33 < courtc> and why didn't you just use the mpd module? 22:33 < JohnNy64-konik> didn't work for me... 22:34 < JohnNy64-konik> don't ask me why, no idea (-: 22:35 -!- Quack[TTD] [i=Someone@cc75806-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 22:35 < ai2097> I already know why, anyway :p. 22:36 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:39 < zedrdave> hey, when compiling, I can safely ignore all errors such as "libjpeg.a: could not read symbols", right? 22:39 < zedrdave> it's just make trying to use a non-arm runlib on arm libs... (?) 22:43 < imphasing> I love getting PMs frm forum members that have titles like, "shit fuck" 22:43 < imphasing> and say things like, "think u got balls for spelling? if u got balls tell me where u live, nice nice." 22:43 < imphasing> :) 22:44 < ai2097> imphasing: You need a hobby. A different hobby. 22:47 < JohnNy64-konik> shit... now that I removed the STL pz2 module, it crashes everytime when initializing the modules... 22:47 < courtc> remove pthreads too 22:47 < JohnNy64-konik> ok 22:48 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:49 < djaconil> good night folks 22:49 -!- bushblowz [n=bushblow@nphloh-terayon1-69-165-50-227.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:49 -!- djaconil [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 22:53 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:00 < JohnNy64-konik> still it crashes... 23:00 < zedrdave> "itunes_db.c:549: error: `ITDB_PARSE_ALL' undeclared (first use in this function)" 23:00 < zedrdave> any clue? just remove it? 23:03 < zedrdave> I'm grepping the whole source and not seeing any mention of these. any clue on which value they should have? 23:05 -!- ichaelmay8 [i=ichaelma@AC98574A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:08 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:09 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit ["und weg"] 23:12 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing: http://img45.imageshack.us/img_viewer_framed.php?g=picture265dp.jpg <--nano getting ready for mame :P 23:12 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 23:13 -!- Beanman [n=Beanman_@69-174-125-202.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- BHSPitMonkey [i=steve-o@adsl-64-217-216-234.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:14 < BleuLlama> so you all know, the ipodmame emulation project is now in a public svn repository 23:18 < BHSPitLappy> yay 23:18 -!- quobl_ [n=quobl@tor/session/x-f0eb1bbf72f5db4d] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:18 < BHSPitLappy> I mean, damn! 23:19 -!- quobl_ [n=quobl@tor/session/x-da21a8f944b4672c] has joined #ipodlinux 23:19 < BleuLlama> BHSPitLappy: whose is that? 23:19 < BHSPitLappy> mine 23:19 < BleuLlama> ah 23:20 < BleuLlama> cute 23:25 -!- ichaelmay8 [i=ichaelma@AC98574A.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:39 < zedrdave> anybody can help me with this: "ERROR: ../ipp/lib/ippAC_SA11LNX_r.a(ipplib.o) uses hardware FP, whereas podzilla.elf2flt uses software FP" 23:39 < zedrdave> should I attempt to recompile iip? 23:41 -!- Mark_ [n=Mark@ACBD2676.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:42 < imphasing> Latest SVN works with pacman and pengo, but centipede just crashes it 23:42 < imphasing> :) 23:42 < BleuLlama> only on 5g 23:42 < zedrdave> coob: ping 23:42 < BleuLlama> okay. i'm going afk for about 30mins. 23:43 < BleuLlama> catch ya on the flipside 23:43 < imphasing> ok 23:43 < imphasing> :) 23:47 < zedrdave> ok. does the ipod have hard FP? 23:47 < imphasing> Er.. 23:47 < zedrdave> (I'd assume so... but...?) 23:47 < imphasing> I don't think so. 23:48 < zedrdave> ah. 23:48 < imphasing> There's a primitive mmu, but no fpu 23:48 < imphasing> it can't simulate it though 23:48 < imphasing> (don't take that to the bank, I could be wrong) 23:48 < zedrdave> 'cause my attempt at compiling podzilla is currently failing for something like a hard FP/soft FP issue... 23:48 < JohnNy64-konik> I think that there's no FPU... 23:48 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@S01060050da742a74.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:49 < zedrdave> so, it'd be Podzilla's makefile screwing up somehow trying to use hard FP... 23:49 < zedrdave> hmn. 23:49 < zedrdave> err. 23:49 < imphasing> I doubt that. 23:49 < zedrdave> my bad, the other way round. 23:49 * zedrdave just re-reads the error msg. 23:49 < imphasing> The developers know that there's no fpu 23:49 < imphasing> :) 23:49 < zedrdave> "ERROR: ../ipp/lib/ippAC_SA11LNX_r.a(ipplib.o) uses hardware FP whereas " etc etc 23:49 < imphasing> ah, pz0.. 23:49 < imphasing> I dunno anything about that 23:49 < imphasing> :) 23:49 < zedrdave> so, I really need to go get ipp and recompile it somewhere... 23:50 < zedrdave> too bad, though, 'cause it seems coop had the very same error once (found it googling around)... :/ 23:50 * imphasing is a dumbass 23:50 < imphasing> I think I found the crashing problem 23:50 < imphasing> :) 23:52 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 23:52 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-67-170-142.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:53 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:54 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:55 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-67-170-142.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:55 < zedrdave> arrrg. this is driving me nuts... 23:57 -!- SpeTIX [n=SpeTIX@host99-59.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ipodlinux 23:58 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:59 < courtc> zedrdave: you can get soft-fp ipp stubs from http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/mpdc/ipp-stubs.tar.gz 23:59 < zedrdave> courtc: nm. I *think* it might be a problem with podzilla's makefile. from what I dug of the forums, everything should be compiled hard FP --- Log closed Sat Feb 25 00:00:00 2006