--- Log opened Wed Feb 15 00:00:01 2006 00:00 < SnowPatrol> i think its something to do with the partioning using aefdisk32 00:00 < BHSPitMonkey> I think it's something to do with using an installer on a nano 00:01 < The_Jack_of_Club> i used this guide to fix my broken ipod and it didnt work - http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?s=2fd6c696b3b1d492f1096f35f55d65b5&threadid=93059&highlight=fdisk 00:01 < BHSPitMonkey> and the fact that people refuse to believe that if you don't know what you're doing in Linux, you shouldn't install it on your ipod 00:01 < The_Jack_of_Club> i was wondering if i was doing some thing wrong 00:02 < Cillian> what's not working about it? 00:03 < The_Jack_of_Club> everything appears to work but when i unplug it that folder with the exclaimation point comes back up comes back up 00:03 < The_Jack_of_Club> ack 00:03 < Cillian> hmm... 00:03 < Cillian> i'm guessing you restored it from a backup? 00:04 < The_Jack_of_Club> yeah 00:04 < Cillian> was the backup an image, or just a copy of the files? 00:04 < SnowPatrol> whats the partioning part for, why do you need to install linux, reformate and then install linux again? 00:04 < Cillian> you can't boot linux off fat/hfs+ 00:04 < Cillian> so you need to partition it into 2 parts 00:05 < The_Jack_of_Club> well i installed it and i wanted to try updating the firmware so i uninstalled ipod linux and when i did the folder icon came up 00:05 < The_Jack_of_Club> its been broken sice november 00:05 < SnowPatrol> when i checked my nano i only had one partion, but the tutorial didn't tell me to make another one... 00:06 < The_Jack_of_Club> i used an ubuntu live disk and its not working 00:06 < Cillian> have you tried the apple restorer? 00:06 < The_Jack_of_Club> yeah 00:06 < Cillian> SnowPatrol: they should always have at least 2 partitions 00:06 < SnowPatrol> oop 00:06 < Cillian> 3 with linux on there 00:06 -!- Shadowarrior13 [i=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:06 < The_Jack_of_Club> the firmware partition is missing and windows only recognizes it as a removable usb drive 00:06 < Cillian> apple firmware uses 2 00:07 < Cillian> linux needs another one 00:07 < SnowPatrol> i deleted them all 00:07 < SnowPatrol> then restored 00:07 < Cillian> ookay.... 00:07 < Cillian> The_Jack_of_Club: what did the apple restorer do? 00:07 < The_Jack_of_Club> im still not sure what happened but everything was erased 00:07 < SnowPatrol> its working fine using apple firmware, so i must have 2 again 00:07 < The_Jack_of_Club> it says theres no ipod connected 00:07 < Cillian> hmm... 00:07 < Cillian> did you put it in diskmode? 00:08 < The_Jack_of_Club> yeah 00:08 < Cillian> and it still didn't find it? 00:08 < The_Jack_of_Club> no 00:08 < Cillian> wierd... 00:08 < Cillian> in proper diskmode, it should always find it ok 00:08 < The_Jack_of_Club> i tryed fixing the partitions with that guide but it dodnt work 00:08 < The_Jack_of_Club> it see the disk but it doesnt know its an ipod 00:08 < Cillian> did you use the normal diskmode, or the proper reset diskmode? 00:09 < The_Jack_of_Club> um im not sure 00:09 < Cillian> did you hold menu+center for a while 00:09 -!- Ct-R [i=tom@cpc3-asht2-6-0-cust77.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:09 < The_Jack_of_Club> there was a key combination that i used 00:09 < Ct-R> heyyy 00:09 < Cillian> okay 00:09 < Cillian> that should be proper diskmode then 00:09 < Cillian> I don't have a clue why it's not recognising it 00:09 * Cillian prods experienced people 00:10 < Ct-R> Hey? 00:11 < The_Jack_of_Club> its a 4th gen and i know its unsupported but right now im just trying to repair it 00:11 < SnowPatrol> dose linux automaticly make the right partition when you run the installer? 00:11 < Cillian> SnowPatrol: uhhh.... 00:11 < The_Jack_of_Club> brb phone 00:11 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 00:11 < Cillian> Ct-R: hey 00:12 < Ct-R> Hey 00:12 < Ct-R> How do I update the files? 00:12 < SnowPatrol> i get this screen http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3516/31fk.gif 00:12 < Cillian> what files? 00:12 < The_Jack_of_Club> i used the 4th gen installer last time i had linux on it 00:12 < Ct-R> to the 02-13 00:12 < Ct-R> podzilla / kernel 00:12 < SnowPatrol> but all are empty except the 1st 00:13 < Cillian> podzilla 1 or 2? 00:13 < SnowPatrol> its fat32 00:13 < Ct-R> 1 00:13 < Cillian> urm... 00:13 < Cillian> i think, delete the old /bin/podzilla and replace it with the new one 00:13 < Cillian> *I think* 00:13 < Cillian> instead of deleting, move it to /bin/podzilla.old 00:13 < Cillian> so you can restore it 00:13 < Ct-R> :x 00:14 < Cillian> i'm not sure about kernel 00:14 < SnowPatrol> this is giving me a headache... 00:14 < Cillian> mmm 00:14 < Cillian> well, the 1st partition is apple firmware 00:14 < The_Jack_of_Club> the entire drive is empty 00:14 < Ct-R> thanks dude 00:15 < Cillian> np 00:15 < The_Jack_of_Club> no partitions 00:15 < Cillian> hmm... 00:15 < SnowPatrol> okay, il restrore and start from the start and see what i get 00:15 < Cillian> The_Jack_of_Club: did you take the 2 backups it says to take? 00:15 < Cillian> if so, restore them both like it says 00:15 < The_Jack_of_Club> what backups? 00:16 < The_Jack_of_Club> oh the firmware? 00:16 < Cillian> did you install from linux? 00:16 < The_Jack_of_Club> i didnt instal ipodlix from linux 00:16 < Cillian> okay 00:16 < Cillian> you used the windows installer? 00:16 < The_Jack_of_Club> stupid wireless keyboard 00:16 < The_Jack_of_Club> yeah 00:16 < Cillian> urm... 00:16 < The_Jack_of_Club> the 4th gen installer 00:17 < Cillian> i'm ot sure if that takes backups of the MBR and firmware 00:17 < Cillian> it probably should 00:17 < Cillian> does the installer have a restore option? 00:17 < The_Jack_of_Club> i tryed it doesnt work 00:17 < The_Jack_of_Club> yeah 00:17 -!- trent [n=customer@d47-69-36-91.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #iPodLinux 00:17 < The_Jack_of_Club> but it doesnt work 00:17 < Cillian> hmm.... 00:17 < The_Jack_of_Club> im about to just sell it on ebay 00:18 < Cillian> "1 broken ipod photo"? :-P 00:18 < The_Jack_of_Club> but i liked it when it was working 00:18 < Cillian> naaa, i'm sure theres a way to fix it 00:18 < The_Jack_of_Club> its not an ipod photo 00:18 < trent> Ok, I said I would leave for three weeks, but I have a new found understanding of IPL, this is to aegray 00:18 < Cillian> always is a way to fix things... somehow... 00:18 < The_Jack_of_Club> which makes it worse XD 00:18 < aegray> ahhahaha 00:18 < BHSPitLappy> ha 00:18 < Cillian> ????????????????????? 00:19 < trent> ok, I do got a couple of questions though 00:20 -!- EvilDude [n=prashant@CPE-60-225-204-122.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 00:20 < BHSPitLappy> he EvilDude 00:21 < EvilDude> 'lo 00:21 < The_Jack_of_Club> the partitions are gone the restore doesnt work the updater doest work and i cant fix the partitions under linux for some reason... some body slap me with a fish... 00:21 < Cillian> why can't you fix the partitions from linux? 00:21 * Cillian slaps The_Jack_of_Club with a large, smelly trout 00:22 < The_Jack_of_Club> i dont know 00:22 < Cillian> you don't know!? 00:22 < Cillian> what happens when you try? 00:22 < The_Jack_of_Club> they appear fine in linux but the ipod doesnt work after and linux doesnt recognize them 00:22 < trent> Would it be possible to create a module that acts a a game enine, in C, or port a open source one into C 00:22 < trent> game engine* 00:22 < Cillian> The_Jack_of_Club: "linux doesn't recognise them"? 00:23 < aegray> yes 00:23 < Cillian> trent: yeh, why not? 00:23 < The_Jack_of_Club> should i use knoppix like the guide says or is ubuntu fune (i dont think it really matters) 00:23 < SnowPatrol> okay, followed the tutorial through to the partition bit, im still getting the same thing 00:23 < SnowPatrol> http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nano3bn.jpg 00:23 < Cillian> The_Jack_of_Club: they're both fine 00:23 < trent> devs? 00:23 < aegray> like i just said 00:23 < aegray> yes 00:24 < SnowPatrol> can anyone help me sort the partitions out? 00:24 * Cillian works on an r/l based ipl interface 00:24 < EvilDude> hm rockbox has audio on the 5g already :| ? 00:24 < Cillian> SnowPatrol: what's wrong with them? 00:24 < SnowPatrol> look at the screen ^^^ 00:24 < Cillian> EvilDude: according to the ipl blog, so does linux 00:24 < EvilDude> it's only been like a day since aegray commited! 00:24 < Cillian> just frickin tell me 00:24 < EvilDude> haha i know about that 00:24 < Cillian> I can't be bothered to open a window 00:24 < trent> ok cool cool 00:25 < SnowPatrol> its only 1 partition 00:25 < SnowPatrol> instead of 2 00:25 < Cillian> right... 00:25 < trent> i start looking into it 00:25 < Cillian> which one do you have? 00:25 < EvilDude> i'm just surprised that they got it so quickly 00:25 < Cillian> the firmware or apple partition? 00:25 < aegray> EvilDude: me + linuxstb were working on it together 00:25 < EvilDude> ohhh right 00:25 < EvilDude> yeah read the blog now 00:25 < EvilDude> that makes a lot more sense 00:25 * SnowPatrol srugs 00:25 < SnowPatrol> fat32 3906mb 00:25 < Cillian> well, i suppose if you even get an error, you have the apple firmware 00:25 < EvilDude> that's even better, ipl is getting help yay :) 00:25 < Cillian> that's the only partition you have? 00:26 < SnowPatrol> yes 00:26 < Cillian> 40geg ipod? 00:26 < SnowPatrol> 4gb nano 00:26 < Cillian> ah, ok 00:26 < EvilDude> so are you and him gonna figure out the screen next :P ? 00:26 < Cillian> righty, you have lost your firmware partition 00:26 < Cillian> EvilDude: i hope so :-P 00:26 < SnowPatrol> is that bad 00:26 < EvilDude> hehe 00:26 < Cillian> yes... 00:26 < Cillian> anybody know if the windows installer takes backups of the firmware? 00:27 < Cillian> (you used the windows installer, right?) 00:27 < SnowPatrol> yes 00:27 < Cillian> okay 00:27 < Cillian> well, find out if it takes backups by tomorrow 00:27 < Cillian> it's midnigt here 00:27 < Cillian> nn all 00:27 < Cillian> ZZZzzz... 00:27 < trent> brb 00:27 < The_Jack_of_Club> hmm 00:27 < SnowPatrol> i unticked the backup box, maybe i shouldn't of done that...oh well 00:28 < The_Jack_of_Club> http://www.geocities.com/thejackofclubs01/images/ipod6.PNG 00:28 < The_Jack_of_Club> no partitions and i dont know why 00:28 < The_Jack_of_Club> when i try to create ones in windows it fails and when i try to do it in linux no other things can read them 00:30 < BleuLlama> 18:46 < BHSPitMon> did BleuLlama make binary clock? 00:30 < BleuLlama> 18:48 < BHSPitMonkey> BleuLlama: when it determines how big the dots should be, 00:30 < BleuLlama> it only checks horizontally, and not verticallt 00:30 < BleuLlama> 18:48 < BHSPitMon> s/verticallt/vertically 00:30 < BleuLlama> 18:49 < BHSPitMon> woooahhhh, and what happened to vortex :O 00:30 < BleuLlama> BHSPitLappy: i'll look into the dots. 00:30 < BleuLlama> not sure about why you don't have vortex. 00:30 < BleuLlama> remind me tomorrow about the dots 00:33 -!- Nikopol [n=mambo@i-195-137-15-67.freedom2surf.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 00:34 -!- trent [n=customer@d47-69-36-91.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:37 -!- SnowPatrol [n=Snow@82-40-112-246.cable.ubr02.dumb.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 00:43 -!- wizatcomp [i=wizatcom@pool-71-161-48-137.clppva.east.verizon.net] has quit ["I bet that was the result of the wrong button being clicked"] 00:44 -!- wizatcomputer [i=wizatcom@pool-71-161-48-137.clppva.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:47 -!- spazzium [n=nospam@12-208-105-223.client.insightBB.com] has quit [] 00:47 < aegray> http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/~rdivecha/archives/2006/02/the_world_of_sm.html 00:47 < aegray> :) 00:48 -!- wizatcomputer [i=wizatcom@pool-71-161-48-137.clppva.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:48 < The_Jack_of_Club> im guessing thats a different synapse... 00:48 < aegray> different synapse? 00:48 < The_Jack_of_Club> :P im on mutiple servers 00:49 < aegray> nice 00:51 -!- wizatcomputer [i=wizatcom@pool-71-161-48-137.clppva.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:51 -!- oldschhool [n=customer@d47-69-36-91.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #iPodLinux 00:53 < josh_> http://so2.sys-techs.com/rand/ipod-mpdc.png 00:54 < Ct-R> i'm currently converting all my music to aac 00:54 < Ct-R> so i have more room for iPodlinux stuff 00:54 < Ct-R> :D 00:55 < EvilDude> that's.... smart. 00:55 < EvilDude> josh_ whats that on? 00:55 < aegray> heh 00:55 < oldschhool> ihey josh, do by any chance know the lowest cpu power and video ram memory a 3d image can be rendered, can'tfind any info, still searching though 00:55 < aegray> nano 00:56 < courtc> EvilDude: my new nano 00:56 < josh_> EvilDude: a nano 00:56 < aegray> oldschhool: kinda depends on the 3d image 00:56 < josh_> oldschhool: kinda depends on the 3d imag 00:56 < aegray> hahahaha 00:56 < josh_> +e 00:56 < EvilDude> ah awesome :) 00:56 -!- Cassandra [i=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org] has joined #ipodlinux 00:56 < EvilDude> hehe cool courtc got a nano :) 00:56 < josh_> * aegray wins 00:56 < Cassandra> Hello. 00:56 < aegray> hi 00:56 < courtc> :) 00:56 < EvilDude> 4gb or 2gb? 00:56 < josh_> 1gb 00:56 < aegray> 1! 00:56 < aegray> damn 00:56 * aegray loosar 00:57 < EvilDude> oh nice 00:57 < Cassandra> Can anyone tell me if there's such a thing as an iPod to iPod crossover cable available, or would I have to make one up myself? 00:57 < aegray> there isn't right now 00:57 < aegray> are you talking for data transfer? 00:57 < oldschhool> k k, well any websites, I lookingg into this for the engine, if 3d rendering is possible 00:57 < aegray> oldschhool: really depends on the polygon count and such 00:57 < Cassandra> I'm actually thinking for testing purposes (I'm one of the Rockbox developers). 00:58 < josh_> oldschhool: I can tell you this much, the iPod won't be doing any raytracing ;-) 00:58 < aegray> Cassandra: for testing purposes how do you mean? 00:58 < aegray> like data/deugging? 00:58 < oldschhool> k thanks 00:59 < Cassandra> I'm looking to implement an interface from the iPod to the Arcam Solo. In order to do this, it'd be handy to have an app running under Rockbox that would send arbitrary iPod protocol commands. 00:59 < aegray> ah 00:59 < josh_> you'd need the serial port for that, probably 00:59 < aegray> you could probably setup something with serial 00:59 < josh_> and that only works on <=3gs 00:59 < aegray> damnit josh_ 00:59 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b %josh_!*@* ] by aegray 00:59 < aegray> my turn! 00:59 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b %josh_!*@* ] by aegray 00:59 < josh_> unless you want to hack something up over the headphone jack 00:59 < Cassandra> There's serial on the dock connector though. 01:00 < aegray> but we don't have drivers for newer ipods for serial 01:00 < aegray> but you could re that :) 01:00 < aegray> provided you let us steal the code 01:00 < aegray> hehe 01:00 < josh_> yeah, we'd appreciate that :-) 01:00 < Ct-R> How come the avi's for iPodlinux video player are huge? 01:00 < EvilDude> just tried rockbox on my 5g now that it has sound... a little disappointed after all the hype i've read =\ 01:00 < aegray> Ct-R: because you touch yourself at night 01:00 < josh_> EvilDude: why's that? 01:00 < aegray> dirty bastard 01:00 < josh_> Ct-R: that's just the way it is 01:00 < EvilDude> it's very screen size dependant me thinks 01:00 < Ct-R> :( 01:01 < Ct-R> I'm on the 4g Photo 01:01 < aegray> and the more you ask, the less that i will put off my homework to work on it 01:01 < Cassandra> I'll do my best. I'm not too experienced at the low level stuff though. 01:01 * aegray did that hte last two days 01:01 < EvilDude> and for some reason doesn't like my screen colors, it likes a lot of blue and pics dont look right =\ 01:01 < Cassandra> Still, how hard can it be? ;) 01:01 < aegray> Cassandra: neither are we hehe 01:01 < Ct-R> i converted a 700mb movie and it came out to 7gb 01:01 < aegray> Cassandra: pretty bad 01:01 < oldschhool> would it be possible for real time rendering, not raytracing 01:01 < oldschhool> for the engine 01:01 < josh_> oldschhool: tias 01:01 < EvilDude> i tried a 320kbps mp3, and i'm impressed with the gapless but the sq wasn't as amazing as I read =\ 01:01 < courtc> 220*178*num_of_frames == big 01:01 < oldschhool> tias? 01:01 -!- The_Jack_of_Club [n=Jack_Jac@katy-adsl-66-170-203-239.consolidated.net] has quit ["im gonna try to fix my ipod and ill come back tommarrow to jump on cillian if it doesnt"] 01:01 < aegray> oldschhool: it really depends on the number of poly's like I said 01:02 < Cassandra> Well, I can't do anything till my 5g arrives anyway. 01:02 < josh_> try it and see 01:02 < aegray> but tias 01:02 < aegray> ooo 5g :) 01:02 < oldschhool> oh ok 01:02 < Cassandra> But my soldering skills ain't brilliant, so I was hoping someone else had done a dock to dock cable I could buy. :( 01:02 < EvilDude> rockbox has a hell of a lot of features though :) 01:02 < oldschhool> i guessing that, since the cpu is only 75 at best, that graphics will be near from good, but it would be cool 01:02 < Cassandra> Actually I could probably attack the serial port on the Nano I've been developing on. 01:02 < aegray> Cassandra: not afaik 01:02 < Cassandra> Kind of hard to test though. 01:03 < EvilDude> but i like ipl's interface a lot more :p 01:03 < aegray> EvilDude: agreed :) 01:03 < oldschhool> people could find workarounds to make it look better 01:03 < EvilDude> courtc: that mpdc pic, is it actually in b&w on the nano? 01:03 < courtc> no 01:03 < EvilDude> haha good :D 01:03 < EvilDude> so enjoying your nano :P ? 01:04 < courtc> It looks *really* good 01:04 < josh_> EvilDude: it's using the skywards theme, and that pic was taken with a scanner 01:04 < EvilDude> ah! 01:04 < EvilDude> hehe, yeah i can see, just that progressbar in black and white looks awesome, it'd look even better in color! 01:05 < courtc> EvilDude: have you seen my engraving? 01:05 < EvilDude> dont think so 01:05 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/rand/ipod-engraving.jpg 01:06 < EvilDude> hahahaha!!! 01:06 < Ct-R> How did you do that? I want to engrave mine :x 01:06 < EvilDude> apple does it for you if you order online.. =\ 01:06 -!- oldschhool [n=customer@d47-69-36-91.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:06 < Ct-R> Yeah 01:07 < Ct-R> but I got my iPod used like 2 weeks ago 01:07 < Ct-R> $160 for a 20GB Photo 01:07 * courtc enjoys gapless playback on his nano.. 01:08 < EvilDude> i wanan try it =\ 01:08 < courtc> btw, the mpd module worked for me again... for all you unbelievers. 01:08 < EvilDude> we still have nightly kernel's right 01:08 < courtc> yup 01:09 < EvilDude> and the latest nightly will support audio on 5g? 01:09 < aegray> should 01:09 < josh_> neither version of pz works well on 5g yet, though 01:09 < josh_> so you're limited basically to cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp :-) 01:09 < aegray> josh_: does pz2 work? 01:09 < josh_> nope 01:09 < courtc> josh_: mp3example ;) 01:09 < josh_> I should add the driver, shouldn't I... 01:09 < josh_> courtc: what does that do? 01:09 < aegray> YES 01:09 < josh_> ok then 01:10 * josh_ gets to work 01:10 < EvilDude> :( 01:10 < courtc> It plays mp3s 01:10 < josh_> ah. 01:10 < courtc> it comes in the default userland 01:10 < aegray> who woulda thought? 01:10 < courtc> also mp3play I think. 01:10 < courtc> and ivorbis_example 01:11 < courtc> You could use flite as well 01:12 < courtc> & sbagen 01:13 < courtc> See even without the lcd working at a decent speed, we can outdo apple. Binaural beats, text-to-speech, Ogg... 01:14 < wizisi2k> lol 01:14 < EvilDude> when using rockbox i didnt really feel the lcd was slow =\ 01:14 < wizisi2k> they should take a page outta your book 01:14 < EvilDude> mind you their interface isn't really that intensive =\ 01:15 < courtc> EvilDude: heh. 01:15 < EvilDude> ipl should be pretty usable shouldnt it (maybe not the menu sliding but everything else) 01:15 < wizisi2k> games too 01:15 < courtc> tias 01:15 < EvilDude> is the 5g lcd suppoted in full color ? 01:16 < EvilDude> supported* 01:16 < wizisi2k> noooooooooooooooo duh y wouldn't it be (it's not outta pre-alpha yet) 01:16 < wizisi2k> is it a color screen? 01:16 < EvilDude> because in rockbox i opened pics and they came out in blue and black =\ not color 01:16 < EvilDude> yes.. 01:16 < wizisi2k> there's your answer 01:16 < EvilDude> and i'm pretty sure rockbox is using the same lcd driver as us 01:16 < EvilDude> so perhaps its a half color driver =\ 01:19 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:22 < aegray> EvilDude: use iodloader2 and you'll see 01:23 < aegray> :) 01:23 < EvilDude> hm time to install that then :) 01:23 < aegray> damn irght 01:23 < aegray> right 01:23 < EvilDude> in about half an hour after i finish my work at least=\ 01:23 < EvilDude> time to have some fun with ipl on my 5g now that sound works :p 01:24 < aegray> haha fun... 01:24 < aegray> not being able to use anything 01:25 < BHSPitLappy> not sure about why you don't have vortex. 01:26 < BHSPitLappy> BleuLlama: it's not that I don't have it, it's just really messed up :P maybe a bad svn operation though, I'll rm+up 01:32 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:36 -!- forceflow1049 [n=chatzill@pool-71-114-135-122.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 01:37 -!- Cassandra [i=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- State of the art IRC"] 01:43 -!- ssstormy [n=sliverst@ppp-71-139-47-182.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:43 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 01:43 -!- EvilDude [n=prashant@CPE-60-225-204-122.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:47 -!- EvilDude [n=prashant@CPE-60-225-204-122.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 01:48 < EvilDude> sorry i died earlier, flicked off wireless by accident before doing some work =\ 01:48 < EvilDude> anyway so what is wrong with 5g exactly aegray you were saying something 01:48 -!- Nappers [n=Nappers@xp000690.massey.ac.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 01:51 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:51 < BHSPitLappy> he didn't really say anything since your last message 01:51 < BHSPitLappy> haha fun... 01:51 < BHSPitLappy> not being able to use anything 01:51 < EvilDude> yeah what exactly does not being able to use anything mean :( 01:52 < BHSPitLappy> means podzilla doesn't work 01:52 < EvilDude> ok :( i guess i 01:52 < EvilDude> i'll wait for pz2 to work on 5g then 01:52 < BHSPitLappy> rockbox works well 01:52 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:52 < BHSPitLappy> and it plays music 01:52 < BHSPitLappy> (on 5G I mean) 01:53 < wizisi2k> what about various video formats 01:54 < EvilDude> yeah i tried an m4a to which it crashed giving me data errors 01:54 < BHSPitLappy> lol 01:54 < EvilDude> so i tried an mp3 (was a 320 mind you) and it played it pretty well with a few stops every now and then 01:54 < EvilDude> i loved the gapless in it 01:55 < BHSPitLappy> well pretty much all the major formats work well on the other iPod models 01:55 < EvilDude> but the stops sorta killed that =\ and the sq was good but not great =\ 01:55 < imphasing> I just got a really cool PM from someone on the forums. 01:55 < imphasing> "Yo u think u got shit talking to someone about stuff." 01:55 < imphasing> =/ 01:55 < BHSPitLappy> hahahaha 01:55 < EvilDude> rofl 01:56 < imphasing> What a dweeb. 01:56 < BHSPitLappy> I should start sending messages out at random, constructed -entirely- of pronouns 01:56 -!- piratePenguin [n=piratepe@83.137.61.66] has quit ["brb"] 01:59 -!- codenode [n=codenode@c-24-7-112-59.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:21 -!- tarpman [i=tarpman@d64-180-41-36.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:26 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@S01060050da742a74.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:37 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has joined #ipodlinux 02:38 -!- ssstormy [n=sliverst@ppp-71-139-47-182.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:48 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has joined #ipodlinux 02:52 -!- omp [n=omp@unaffilliated/omp] has joined #ipodlinux 02:55 < Ct-R> amoeba amoeba! 02:57 < BHSPitMonkey> ... ????? 02:58 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Client exiting..."] 03:01 -!- Blipus [n=raoul@cpe-65-27-175-101.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:01 -!- ssstormy [n=sliverst@ppp-71-139-47-182.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:02 < Blipus> Is anyone keeping track of the iPod busybox version (in CVS/SVN or something)? 03:05 < omp> grr 03:05 < omp> all of a sudden windows and linux cant mount the ipod 03:05 < omp> mount: /dev/sdb2: can't read superblock 03:05 < omp> :/ 03:05 -!- BrianGriffin is now known as BamaWOLF 03:07 -!- ssstormy [n=sliverst@ppp-71-139-47-182.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:07 -!- canuckid [n=chatzill@63-231-188-222.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:08 < canuckid> i cant get the poweroff beta to work 03:08 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:08 < aegray> thats sad 03:08 < BHSPitLappy> agreed 03:08 < omp> hmm 03:09 < BHSPitLappy> it only works on U.S. iPods 03:09 < canuckid> ya. ipodlinux doesnt boot now 03:09 -!- blake_ [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-166-79.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:09 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:09 < canuckid> i do have a us ipod 03:09 < omp> is there anywhere i can find backups for the nano? 03:09 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:09 < aegray> no 03:09 < BHSPitLappy> canuckid: you didn't do it right, and you teh brokt it. 03:09 < BHSPitLappy> and I was kidding, by the way. 03:09 < Blipus> aegray: can you give me voice on the -dev channel? 03:12 < canuckid> k thx for nothing 03:14 < aegray> maybe ask a question 03:14 < aegray> or read the wiki 03:14 < aegray> `poweroff beta 03:14 < iplbot> poweroff beta is at http://www.ipodlinux.org/poweroff_beta [from aegray] 03:17 < omp> grr 03:17 < omp> the ipod is working, but neither windows nor linux recognize it 03:17 < omp> bad superblock 03:17 < BHSPitLappy> fsck it 03:18 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-166-79.houston.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:18 < omp> i dont want to take the chance of messing it up more 03:18 < aegray> you can't mess it up more 03:19 < canuckid> format it then restore 03:19 < BHSPitLappy> yeah. 03:20 < BHSPitLappy> nah, fsck it 03:20 < omp> e2fsck 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) 03:20 < omp> Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... 03:20 < omp> e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb 03:20 < omp> pee 03:20 < BHSPitLappy> did it try to fix it? 03:20 < omp> hmm 03:20 * omp just realizes it's not an ext2/ext3 partition 03:20 < omp> :P 03:21 < canuckid> :) 03:23 < omp> http://omp.pastebin.com/555390 03:23 * omp has no prior fsck experience :) 03:26 < omp> Both FATs appear to be corrupt. Giving up. 03:26 < omp> hmm 03:27 < omp> if i make a backup from a friends ipod 03:27 < omp> and i use it on mine 03:27 < omp> do you think it will fix this crap? 03:28 < BHSPitLappy> if you just do fsck, it will use the correct one. 03:28 < BHSPitLappy> just use the restorer 03:29 -!- wizatcomp [i=wizatcom@pool-71-161-48-137.clppva.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:29 < ai2097> If retailos works fine, then it's just a matter of reformatting the data partition. 03:33 < omp> i guess i'll borrow a friends ipod to get a backup 03:33 < omp> cause i lost my backups :( 03:33 < ai2097> Unless your friend's iPod has a backup of -your- iPod's (apparently corrupt) FAT, it's not going to help. 03:34 < omp> if i back up his partition table, and firmware 03:34 < ai2097> mkdosfs /dev/sda2 03:34 < omp> can't i use it on mine? 03:34 < omp> /dev/sdb2 :p 03:34 < ai2097> The problem sounds like it's is a single corrupt filesystem, not a corrupt partition table. 03:35 < omp> hmm 03:35 < omp> what type of filesystem does sdb1 have? 03:35 < ai2097> None. It's firmware. 03:36 < ai2097> Don't screw with it. 03:36 < omp> k 03:36 < Ct-R> night dudes [amsg] 03:36 -!- Ct-R [i=tom@cpc3-asht2-6-0-cust77.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 03:36 < omp> so i should do mkdosfs /dev/sdb2 ? 03:37 < aegray> reatailos works fine? 03:37 < omp> well, the ipod functions fine 03:37 < omp> so i guess so 03:37 < aegray> then no 03:37 < ai2097> the ipod is working, but neither windows nor linux recognize it 03:37 < ai2097> bad superblock 03:37 < aegray> that sounds like partition table 03:38 < canuckid> ttyl 03:38 < ai2097> That sounds like a bad FAT. 03:38 -!- canuckid [n=chatzill@63-231-188-222.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:38 < aegray> k 03:38 < ai2097> If it were a bad partition table, /dev/sda2 wouldn't even exist, or would be sized wrong. 03:40 < ai2097> omp: I think that mkdosfs will solve the problem, but you will certainly have to re-load your music. 03:40 < omp> ai2097: i'm okay with that 03:41 < omp> ai2097: booting up mom's laptop to try ipod updater now 03:41 < omp> i regret even getting an ipod :/ 03:41 * omp wants ogg vorbis support :p 03:41 < ai2097> Then yes. "mkdosfs /dev/sdb2" (without the quotes) should make linux/windows recognize your iPod again. 03:42 < omp> yeah it worked 03:42 < omp> thanks a lot 03:42 < ai2097> Sure thing. 03:42 < omp> now i'm going to try and use the ipod with amaroK 03:42 < omp> :) 03:42 < BHSPitLappy> amarok sucks 03:43 < omp> no 03:43 * omp likes mpd and amarok 03:43 < omp> hard to choose 03:43 < omp> then again, i'm also a big fan of audacious 03:46 -!- codenode [n=codenode@c-24-7-112-59.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:47 -!- wizatcomputer [i=wizatcom@pool-71-161-48-137.clppva.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:48 -!- Nappers [n=Nappers@xp000690.massey.ac.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 03:51 < BHSPitLappy> I like the -idea- of amarok 03:51 < BHSPitLappy> but it's a horrible program, at least the one I have 03:52 -!- wizisi2k [n=wizisi2k@pool-138-89-98-52.mad.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:52 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has quit ["Boot!"] 03:53 < omp> BHSPitLappy: amarok-1.4_beta1 is a lot better than the 1.3 series 03:53 < omp> great ipod support now :D 03:54 < omp> BHSPitLappy: it even has a feature that transcodes files so the ipod can play it 03:55 < BHSPitLappy> it just never works properly for me 03:55 < BHSPitLappy> I think it has something to do with the "K" ;) 03:55 < omp> :) 03:56 < omp> well 03:56 < omp> transcoding isnt working for me 03:56 < omp> then again, it's a beta 03:56 < imphasing> K != KDE 03:56 < imphasing> :P 03:56 < omp> and KDE = good 03:56 < omp> i used to hate it 03:56 < omp> i used openbox before KDE 03:57 * aegray <3 kde 03:57 < omp> and gnome/xfce before that 03:57 < omp> now i love KDE 03:57 < omp> so 03:57 < omp> what distro do you guys use? :) 03:57 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has joined #ipodlinux 03:57 * aegray <3 gentoo 03:58 < omp> aegray: :) 03:58 < omp> aegray: /me uses gentoo too 03:58 * ai2097 doesn't abhor Gentoo. 03:59 * omp has 552 posts on f.g.o (forums.gentoo.org) 03:59 * aegray has posted 0 03:59 < omp> and i've only been a member since 10 sep 2005 03:59 < omp> yeah 03:59 * blake_ <3 debian 03:59 < omp> i'm on f.g.o all day 03:59 -!- blake_ is now known as veteran 03:59 * omp has never used debian 03:59 < omp> only debian forks 04:00 < omp> aegray: what Qt theme do you use? 04:00 < veteran> arch is pretty good too, i'm just much more used to apt 04:00 < aegray> i dunno 04:00 * omp uses QtCurve 04:00 < omp> it's also a GTK+ theme 04:00 < omp> so nice consistency 04:00 < omp> without having to use gtk-engines-qt 04:00 < veteran> real men don't need window managers 04:01 < omp> heh 04:01 * imphasing hate KDE 04:01 * imphasing hate gnome 04:01 < aegray> keramic? 04:01 < omp> i still think openbox > * 04:01 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:01 < omp> but KDE lets me be lazy :D 04:02 < omp> even though i hate konsole 04:02 < imphasing> openbox ~ FWM 04:02 < omp> i still use urxvt :) 04:02 < aegray> why? 04:02 < omp> cause konsole doesn't use 04:02 < omp> .Xdefaults 04:02 < imphasing> I hate konsole with a passion.. 04:03 * imphasing uses PLD linux 04:03 < imphasing> :P 04:03 < omp> i've never heard of it :/ 04:04 < omp> :o 04:04 < omp> RPM-based? 04:04 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has joined #ipodlinux 04:04 < omp> grr 04:04 < omp> transcoding from ogg to mp3 doesn't work in amarok yet 04:04 < omp> at least for me 04:05 < omp> i need that becuse ~1/4 of my collection is ogg (mp3 sucks) 04:05 < imphasing> Yeah, RPM based 04:05 < omp> it has some nifty feature to transcode songs while sending to ipod 04:05 < imphasing> I just use mp3 because everyone does, and all the players accept it. 04:07 < aegray> your mom accepts it 04:07 < aegray> boooya 04:07 * aegray afk 04:08 < omp> i use ogg because 04:08 < imphasing> =/ 04:08 < omp> better quality 04:08 < omp> smaller size 04:08 < imphasing> Smooth. 04:08 < imphasing> I use mp3 becuase it works. 04:08 < imphasing> :P 04:08 < omp> :P 04:08 < omp> ogg vorbis works too 04:08 < omp> some players work with it 04:08 < omp> like the cowon iaudio's 04:08 < imphasing> Either that, or apple lossless or some such. 04:08 < imphasing> I have an ipod. 04:08 < omp> which are tons better than ipods 04:08 < imphasing> :P 04:08 < omp> i have an ipod too :p 04:08 < imphasing> I like the ipod. 04:09 < imphasing> Apple's designers are top notch 04:09 < imphasing> for UIs at least 04:09 < omp> yeah 04:09 < omp> i need a new video card 04:09 < imphasing> I spent too much on one, and regret it 04:09 < imphasing> :( 04:09 < omp> radeon 9800 pro = :( 04:09 < omp> i want an nvidia 04:09 < imphasing> I have one of those 6600GT dealies 04:09 < courtc> stfu 04:09 < imphasing> =/ 04:09 < omp> my radeon is having problems with modular x.org 04:10 < omp> and without modular x.org, i can't get XGL :( 04:10 < imphasing> the nvidia linux driver is good 04:10 < imphasing> I use it with 2 screenas 04:10 * omp uses his radeon with 2 screens 04:10 < courtc> HEY, IPODS 04:10 < imphasing> s/a// 04:10 < imphasing> Yessir. 04:10 < omp> well, we can make this about ipods 04:10 < omp> the computer with i hook my ipod up to has a radeon which i use with two screens :D 04:10 < omp> s/with/which/ 04:10 < omp> :) 04:11 < BHSPitLappy> you're asking for it, buddy 04:11 < omp> :/ 04:12 < omp> well, i'm going to go back to #otw now 04:12 < omp> i'll be idling here :) 04:12 < ai2097> Well, it makes more sense than asking for Thing. It can at least mumble. 04:12 * omp had trouble getting mpd working :( 04:13 < omp> it just gave an error while starting the ipod 04:13 < omp> when trying to create the db 04:13 * imphasing isn't surprised 04:13 < ai2097> omp: +1. 04:13 < courtc> always works for me. 04:13 < ai2097> It's some DMA error. 04:13 < omp> like it got through 1/4 of the songs and gave an error 04:13 < omp> everytime i tried it 04:14 < ai2097> I have 600-some songs on the iPod... don't know how far MPD got through the DB, but it does error out at some point, requiring a restart. 04:14 < courtc> if you can give me more info about it maybe I can fix it. 04:15 < ai2097> Well, I'll reproduce it when I get home. Going to be on in a couple of hours, still? 04:15 * omp doesn't even have ipodlinux anymore 04:15 * omp got tired of the kernel panics :p 04:16 < ai2097> courtc: This is showing up on an iPod Color, if it makes any difference. 04:16 < courtc> what kernel panics? 04:16 < omp> after about a week of using it 04:17 < omp> i started getting kernel panics 04:17 < omp> when booting ipodlinux 04:17 < omp> my friend experienced the same thing 04:17 < omp> on an ipod nano in both cases 04:17 < BHSPitLappy> omp: I have a feeling I know exactly what happened. 04:17 < omp> what's that? :) 04:18 < BHSPitLappy> you had it installed the "old way", and you left appleos in sleep mode for 12 hours 04:18 < BHSPitLappy> that corrupts linux. 04:18 < courtc> I've used ipodlinux for 3 years on 3 different ipods and I've never gotten a kernel panic for anything less than a good reason. 04:18 < BHSPitLappy> after 12 hours in apple Sleep mode, it goes into Deep Sleep (hibernation) and stores the RAM over the ext partition. 04:19 < BHSPitLappy> courtc: this scenario happened to me a lot. (nano) 04:19 < courtc> Well... hibe is a bitch 04:19 * courtc afk 04:19 < imphasing> Kernels don't panic unless there's a good reason. 04:19 < imphasing> :P 04:20 < imphasing> They just do what they're told, and if something happens, it's usually your fault 04:20 < ai2097> courtc: Can I PM the error message to you? 04:20 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing: or hibe's fault :P 04:20 < courtc> I've seen it before, but go ahead. 04:21 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:21 < BHSPitLappy> (or the user's for installing linux in hibe's target place) 04:24 < ai2097> Ack. Not going to have time. Off to catch the bus... 04:24 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has quit ["Bus!"] 04:34 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@S01060050da742a74.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:36 -!- Beanman [n=Beanman_@69-174-125-202.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 05:00 -!- e[x]e`paul_ [n=your@ool-457205e7.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 05:18 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 05:29 -!- Vanquisher1 [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has joined #ipodlinux 05:38 < DarthShrine> Afternoon. 05:44 < aegray> hello 05:44 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:55 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has joined #ipodlinux 06:02 < ai2097> courtc: Ping. http://pastebin.com/555528 06:03 < josh_> ah. Memory Hogging MPD. 06:03 < courtc> ok 06:03 < josh_> courtc: want to make your low-buffersize version available? 06:03 < courtc> it's the default. 06:03 < josh_> ah 06:03 < courtc> ai2097: how many songs? 06:03 < ai2097> ~600 06:05 < ai2097> This happens only during the initial database creation. 06:06 < aegray> what else do you have running before that is called? 06:08 < ai2097> It's run right out of an almost-stock /etc/rc -- AFAIK, nothing else that's long-running. 06:09 < aegray> wanna post your rc somewhere? 06:09 < ai2097> http://pastebin.com/555532 06:10 < courtc> boring, what gen ipod? 06:10 < aegray> yea 06:10 < ai2097> Color. 06:11 < courtc> remove the modprobes and eth0 ifconfig (unrelated) 06:12 < ai2097> I don't think that those modules are present in the FS, but all right... 06:12 < courtc> I should donate my modified userland... 06:12 < courtc> They shouldn't be, but still. 06:13 < courtc> also, you can lower your disk sleep timeout to 5s if you change the hdparm to -S 1 06:14 < ai2097> iPL drains my battery so badly anyway, I don't think that'll help much :p. 06:15 < courtc> Just a comment. 06:16 -!- roo9 [i=roo9@66.230.143.178] has joined #ipodlinux 06:18 < ai2097> Also, another recurring, but non-fatal bug... whenever the screen switches from a graphical mode to the console/text mode, there's always a band of color, about four pixels wide, on the right. 06:18 < roo9> is there any way to extract useful information when an 4G ipod fails to boot after installing ipod linux? it comes back up fine in disk more and can be restored to the apple software easily, just wondering if there is a way to see what's preventing linux from working properly and fix it 06:18 < courtc> look at the screen? 06:19 < roo9> i just get a classic folder with exclimation point error 06:19 < ai2097> You're messing up the installation somewhere along the line, and/or not using Linux to do the install :p. 06:19 < roo9> i'm not, i'm using OSX to do the install 06:19 < BHSPitLappy> I have completed N!!!!! 06:19 < BHSPitLappy> I have achieved transcendence!!! 06:19 * BHSPitLappy is done 06:20 < ai2097> Where N=...? 06:20 < BHSPitLappy> a game 06:20 < ai2097> N!!!!! gets very big very fast... 06:20 < BHSPitLappy> 500 levels 06:20 < BHSPitLappy> defeated! 06:21 < BHSPitLappy> confusing english context with programming context isn't good, btw 06:21 < ai2097> I'm not confusing. I'm mocking. 06:21 < BHSPitLappy> mmhmm 06:22 < ai2097> The calculation is almost (almost) just as big of a waste of time :p. 06:23 < ai2097> Seems like we had some guy in here the other day who was having a hell of a time getting iPL installed using OSX... 06:24 < roo9> hrm, i'll run through it again... 06:24 < roo9> the only thing I did differently from the website is to use "uclinux-2.4.24-ipod2" instead of "uclinux-2.4.24-ipod0" 06:25 -!- rage_ [n=rage@0-1pool255-198.nas6.duluth1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:25 < roo9> i assumed it was just a new version, am i wrong? 06:25 < ai2097> It could be that the website's wrong, for all I know. I don't own/use a Mac :p. 06:28 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-166-79.houston.res.rr.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 06:28 -!- tarpman [i=tarpman@d64-180-41-36.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 06:29 < ai2097> courtc: So, I assume that the error message I pasted is something you've already seen before? 06:29 < courtc> Yea, ... :/ 06:30 < ai2097> Just no idea why it's caused or how to fix it :p? 06:30 < courtc> Likely an allocation problem, but why I dunno. 06:30 < ai2097> It happens at the very end, or so it seems... the database gets written out, so I don't see why the kernel is having a fit. 06:32 < ai2097> Subsequent boots work just fine; MPD plays nice; nothing else seems to be wrong. 06:32 < courtc> Just on initial db creation? 06:33 < ai2097> Just on initial db creation, after the creation appears to have completed. 06:33 < courtc> Do you use --create-db or --update-db for the initial creation? 06:33 < ai2097> Ah. --update-db. 06:34 < courtc> ok, I'll look into it. 06:34 < courtc> unless you're bored ;) 06:34 < ai2097> I'm bored ;). 06:34 -!- omp [n=omp@unaffilliated/omp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:35 -!- omp [n=omp@unaffilliated/omp] has joined #ipodlinux 06:35 < courtc> ai2097: do you know where the source is for the current version? 06:35 < ai2097> No; I don't see it in the SVN repo with the other tools. 06:35 < courtc> ok, ... 06:36 < rage_> 5'th gen = ipod video? 06:36 < courtc> yes 06:37 < rage_> you have any idea of what the specs for the cpu and whatnot are inside that thing? 06:37 < courtc> yes 06:37 < BHSPitLappy> courtc works for apple, and isn't allowed to tell us anything 06:38 < rage_> well what are they? :) 06:38 < ai2097> Actually, he's allowed to answer yes-no questions. By odd coincidence, he very closely resembles the bit from Tron. 06:39 < courtc> yes 06:40 < BHSPitLappy> ...maybe 06:40 < aegray> no 06:40 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/Generations#Fifth_Generation_:_iPod_with_Video 06:40 < aegray> HEY NO TALKING 06:41 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b %courtc!*@* ] by courtc 06:42 * omp is back 06:42 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b %omp!*@* ] by aegray 06:42 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b %aegray!*@* ] by aegray 06:42 < courtc> uh oh. 06:42 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b %omp!*@* ] by aegray 06:42 < BHSPitLappy> people! get ahold of yourselves! 06:42 < omp> :o 06:49 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:50 < Lex> does the new ipodloader2 support loading rockbox now? :o 06:50 < aegray> yes 06:51 < bholland> rockbox? 06:51 < Lex> good 06:51 < BHSPitLappy> bholland: rockbox.org 06:51 < Lex> so i need only that make_fw program, and it's stored on my shell.. :o 06:51 < BHSPitLappy> bholland: or #rockbox :P 06:51 < aegray> Lex: were you the one talking about flash problems? 06:51 < Lex> aegray: no i guess 06:51 < bholland> thanx 06:51 < aegray> k 06:51 < aegray> who was that.... 06:51 < Lex> only everytime i reflash, then i can't boot into anything 06:51 < Lex> it just give me a blue screen and the text goes up 06:52 < Lex> even into the apple os :o 06:52 < aegray> the status bar goes? 06:53 < Lex> hmm, one time i got ipodloader 2 text to the top of the screen but nothing happened :o 06:53 < Lex> but when rmh3093 builds it, it works 06:53 < Lex> but now i'm on gentoo, let's try again 06:53 < bholland> does it work well on the iPod? 06:53 < bholland> rockbox that is? 06:53 < Lex> yeah.. 06:53 < Lex> mp3 playing owns, fades <3 06:54 < bholland> what? 06:54 < Lex> crossfade 06:54 < bholland> oh 06:54 < bholland> so mp3s work good on it eh? 06:54 < Lex> yeah.. kind a 06:55 < Lex> hmm what.. 06:55 < Lex> lex@xiit ~/tools/ipodloader2 $ export PATH=/usr/local/arm-uclinux-tools/bin:$PATH 06:55 < bholland> so whos been doing the porting, one of them or one from iPodLinux? 06:55 < Lex> make: arm-uclinux-elf-gcc: Command not found 06:55 < aegray> 2 of them 06:55 < Lex> works on root 06:55 < bholland> ah 06:55 < aegray> Lex: update your path 06:55 < Lex> oh yeah 06:55 < bholland> cool idea 06:55 < Lex> aegray: and how :DD 06:56 < Lex> source /etc/profile? :o 06:56 < aegray> wha?? 06:56 < BHSPitLappy> bholland: how's iboy coming along? 06:56 < Lex> how to update it :p 06:56 < aegray> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-uclinux-elf-tools/bin or something 06:56 < aegray> whatever the right path is 06:56 < Lex> yeah i did it 06:56 < Lex> it works as root 06:57 < Lex> no it doesn't :o 06:57 < bholland> iboy? well to tell you the truth I havn't really touched it 06:57 < BHSPitLappy> cool 06:58 < bholland> I've been testing many linux distro's to find one that better fits my needs... 06:58 < bholland> (thanx aegray) 06:58 < aegray> heh 06:58 < Lex> gentoo? :P 06:59 < BHSPitLappy> genpoo* 06:59 < Lex> :O 06:59 < bholland> I ended up with the debian based kubuntu 06:59 < Lex> xiit ttk # export PATH=/usr/local/arm-uclinux-tools/bin:$PATH 06:59 < Lex> xiit ttk # echo $PATH 06:59 < Lex> /usr/local/arm-uclinux-tools/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.4.5 06:59 < Lex> :D 06:59 < Lex> but errors 06:59 < aegray> what errors? 06:59 < Lex> make[1]: arm-uclinux-elf-gcc: Command not found 06:59 < Lex> :p 07:00 < aegray> add the right path to it 07:00 < aegray> the path i gave you was made up 07:00 < Lex> yeah it is 07:00 < Lex> it has worked with that before 07:00 < aegray> its arm-uclinux-tools2 07:00 < Lex> it's from the toolchain wiki 07:00 < aegray> thought mine was too 07:00 < Lex> oh :o 07:00 < Lex> it worked with that yesterday 07:01 < Lex> yeah, works now :) 07:01 < aegray> how about... ls /usr/local/arm-uclinux-tools/bin/arm-uclinux-elf-gcc 07:01 < aegray> k 07:01 < Lex> but why it worked yesterday then without that 2 :P 07:01 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: so what do you plan on doing with your "on" season? 07:01 < aegray> probably didn't 07:01 < aegray> video 07:01 < aegray> 5g 07:01 < aegray> the world 07:01 < aegray> couple of hookers 07:02 < bholland> lol 07:02 < BHSPitLappy> sweet 07:02 * aegray gets it going "on" 07:02 < BHSPitLappy> in fact, forget the video, 5g and world 07:02 < Lex> :p 07:02 < aegray> doing a hooker isn't an accomplishment 07:02 < aegray> i need some accomplishments to balance them out 07:02 -!- spazzium [n=nospam@12-208-105-223.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ipodlinux 07:03 < aegray> this might not end up being that much of an on season though.. 07:03 < Lex> today i'm going to buy a dod source 07:03 < aegray> dod source? 07:03 < Lex> day of defeat source :p 07:03 < Lex> http://makea.hattara.com/lex/dod_anzio0001.png that 07:04 < aegray> source? 07:04 < Lex> don't know, it's half-life 2's engine :o 07:05 < Lex> and they remake old games for it 07:05 < aegray> you guys see that huge device for hl2? 07:05 < aegray> goldberg device or whatever 07:06 < aegray> that water is pretty sweet.... 07:06 < BHSPitLappy> rube goldberg machine 07:06 < Lex> I../xc/include/SDL -I../ -c -o hdpong.o hdpong.c 07:06 < Lex> hdpong.c:28:17: SDL.h: No such file or directory 07:06 < Lex> wtf 07:06 < aegray> get sdl 07:06 < Lex> i have it 07:06 < aegray> sdl-devel 07:06 < Lex> but on gentoo? :o 07:06 < Lex> i have sdl-image 07:06 < aegray> sdl, sdl-image 07:07 < ai2097> aegray: Look at the include path. 07:07 < aegray> oh 07:07 < aegray> right 07:07 < aegray> change the include path - wtf is xc? 07:07 < Lex> it takes it from xorg's cvs? :P 07:07 < Lex> aegray: i think it is xorg :D 07:07 < ai2097> aegray: It's cross-compile. 07:07 < Lex> xorg can be taken to xc 07:07 < aegray> i know - i just don't know what xc is 07:07 < aegray> k 07:07 < aegray> set the right path to the headers then 07:07 < ai2097> aegray: x == cross. c == compile. 07:07 < Lex> if i can do it 07:08 < aegray> hahahahahahah 07:08 < Lex> $ 07:08 < Lex> CFLAGS = -DIPOD -I../xc/include -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -I../xc/include/SDL 07:08 < Lex> there? :o 07:08 < aegray> if thats where the sdl libs are 07:08 < ai2097> Lex: you have IPOD set? 07:08 < Lex> ai2097: yeah 07:09 < ai2097> Don't compile hd-pong :p. 07:09 < ai2097> Hotdog should compile fine. 07:09 < ai2097> Those -I's probably need an extra ../ in them. 07:09 < Lex> but i get only .o files :o 07:10 < ai2097> Your point being? 07:10 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b %aegray!*@* ] by aegray 07:11 < bholland> lol 07:11 < bholland> anyone in here play UT the original? 07:11 < spazzium> not in years 07:11 < Lex> ai2097: that how i can launch it then 07:11 < courtc> sooo... who wants to test a new userland? 07:11 < ai2097> hotdog isn't a program. 07:12 < spazzium> courtc: what's new about it? 07:12 < courtc> so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/ipod_fs_150206.tar.gz *might* work... Latest pz0 nightly & poweroff beta & fonts & default minix shell 07:12 < spazzium> oh cool 07:12 < aegray> .a! 07:12 < spazzium> for pz0 eh? 07:12 -!- erus` [n=tom@ACD8C5CB.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 07:12 < Lex> yeah, libhotdog.a too 07:12 < ai2097> Lex: It's a library, and it's not done yet. There is a demo, that is all. 07:12 < Lex> but i need that hdpong then? :o 07:13 < spazzium> I'll test it out the nano 07:13 < ai2097> No. No you don't. You can get all of current, bleeding edge iPL + ipodloader2 + PZ2 without having to touch the files in hotdog/. 07:14 < courtc> spazzium: thanks. 07:14 < spazzium> speaking of bleeding edge you have no need to be trying hotdog right now 07:14 < spazzium> courtc: if I understand correctly I should currently be using default pz0 stuff right? 07:15 < courtc> que? 07:15 < courtc> It'll set you up to use pz0, but you can do whatever pleases you. 07:15 < spazzium> ahh 07:15 < spazzium> k 07:17 < aegray> anyone here good at chem? 07:17 < spazzium> what level? 07:17 < aegray> just basic 07:17 < spazzium> fire away 07:17 < aegray> i just want ot know if i dissolved aluminum in KOH with heat - would it be possible for that solution to evaporate at just below KOH's boiling point? 07:18 < aegray> that might not make sense...i suck 07:19 < spazzium> usually evaporation only occurs in great quantities when boiling 07:19 < aegray> heres an easy one - what are some other factors that contribute to lower than theoretical yield 07:19 < spazzium> unless you're talking about something like water where surface evaporation occurs 07:19 < aegray> k 07:20 < spazzium> when you starting getting into stuff like KOH surface evaporation really doesn't happen 07:20 < spazzium> it's well bonded 07:20 < aegray> k 07:20 < spazzium> nothing will just drop an electron very freely 07:20 -!- smacmac [n=severins@79.84-48-113.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux 07:21 < spazzium> factors that lower theoretical yield? what kind of yield are talking about here? 07:21 < spazzium> a product? 07:21 < spazzium> creation of energy? 07:21 < aegray> product 07:22 < spazzium> give an example... yield is determined usually by the limiting reactant 07:22 < aegray> i have a couple things to convert Aluminum to Aluminum potassium sulfate 07:22 < aegray> aluminum is limiting afaik (i can check) 07:23 < aegray> but we got 71% of the theoretical yield 07:23 < spazzium> purity of reactants? 07:23 < aegray> ah k 07:23 < spazzium> that's usually the big one 07:24 < spazzium> purity is difficult to keep, even in good laboratory 07:24 < spazzium> the next one is... does it require energy to react? 07:24 < aegray> heat yea 07:24 < spazzium> does it give off energy? 07:24 < aegray> no 07:24 < spazzium> ok well how much energy? 07:24 < spazzium> did you give it too much? too little? 07:24 < aegray> what would giving too much make happen? 07:24 < spazzium> you can dissolve a reactant in heat before it has time to combine 07:25 < aegray> ah 07:25 < aegray> k 07:25 < spazzium> potassium passes easily through areas of the body being an electrolyte 07:25 < spazzium> but some gets naturally dissolved by the body with it trying to 07:26 < spazzium> keep in mind you're talking to a bio-chem fail out 07:26 < aegray> haha 07:26 < spazzium> but I think for the stuff you're asking I'm on target 07:26 < aegray> yea you are 07:27 < spazzium> courtc: do I need to clean out current userland? or can I just overwrite? 07:27 < courtc> clean out if you would 07:27 < spazzium> sure 07:29 < spazzium> damn wish I had bootloader2 working about now 07:34 < Lex> Generating firmware image compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo... 07:37 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 07:37 < aegray> spazzium: how do you tell if something is going to be a strong, weak, or non-electrolyte? 07:37 < Lex> wow wtf 07:37 < Lex> my ipodloader2 works 07:37 < Lex> but it finds only retailos and disk mode 07:37 < aegray> whered you put the kernel? 07:38 < Lex> /vmlinux 07:38 < Lex> sda3 07:38 < aegray> put it under sda2/kernel.bin or sda3/kernel.bin 07:38 < Lex> let's try 07:38 < Lex> but what about rockbox 07:38 < spazzium> courtc: use the podzilla that came with this user release or use nightly? 07:38 < Lex> it doesn't find it either 07:38 < aegray> sda2/rockox.ipod 07:38 < aegray> user release 07:38 < spazzium> k 07:39 < courtc> The userland uses the latest nightly. 07:39 < Lex> rockbox.ipod 07:39 < Lex> i have it there 07:39 < Lex> but it doesn't find it :o 07:40 < Lex> and not even the kernel :o 07:40 < ai2097> courtc: What magic incantation do I have to utter to get the MPD config to work? It's currently tripping up on finding zlib, even though I've explicitly put in a -I flag that points right at the header. 07:41 < Lex> now it finds the kernel 07:41 < aegray> where is mpd cvs/svn? 07:41 < courtc> What toolchain.. 07:41 < Lex> now it's in /boot 07:42 < ai2097> courtc: Good question. It could be either -- the "old" toolchain is first in my path, but I'm using --host='arm-uclinux-elf", so config should be going after the new toolchain. 07:45 < linuxstb> Lex: Which ipod do you have? Also, are you using a config file with ipodloader2? 07:45 < spazzium> courtc: sorry almost done, my inittab is fucking things up 07:45 < spazzium> one more minute 07:45 < Lex> linuxstb: no configs, and a photo one 07:46 < linuxstb> ipodloader2 only uses FAT short filenames - so it the filename it actually looks for is "ROCKBO~1.IPO" in the root of the FAT32 partition. 07:46 < Lex> hmm 07:46 < linuxstb> But "rockbox.ipod" is normally shortened to that name - so it should just work. 07:46 -!- nordik [n=root@12-217-234-127.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 07:46 < ai2097> Mmm. 8.3licious... 07:46 < Lex> not even work if it's on /boot 07:48 < Lex> no, not with ROCKBO~1.IPO 07:48 -!- nordik [n=root@12-217-234-127.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 07:48 < spazzium> ok... it's not wanting to start pz from inittab... gonna just launch it from the rc file 07:49 < linuxstb> The only place ipodloader2 looks is hard-coded in config.c - "(hd0,1)/ROCKBO~1.IPO" 07:49 < Lex> :o 07:49 < linuxstb> Are you using Windows or Linux? 07:49 < Lex> both 07:49 < Lex> but i'm modifying this on linux 07:50 < linuxstb> From windows, what filename is displayed if you do "dir /x" ? Or you can mount your ipod using "-t msdos" under Linux (I think) 07:50 < spazzium> ok... courtc 07:50 < spazzium> I can't start anything at boot 07:50 < spazzium> I can't start inetd 07:50 < Lex> ahah :D 07:50 < Lex> i found the problem 07:51 < Lex> there's rockbo~1.zip and rockbo~2.ipo 07:51 < linuxstb> :) 07:51 < Lex> but it's rockbo~2.ipo again :o 07:52 < Lex> there's a directory called rockbo~2 too 07:52 < linuxstb> To quite ai2097, 8.3licious... 07:52 < Lex> that's .rockbox i guess 07:52 < linuxstb> Yes - the directory is ".rockbox" 07:52 -!- hyarion [i=hyarion@shaka.acc.umu.se] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 07:52 < Lex> yeah, but no rockbo~1.ipo files there :o 07:52 < courtc> spazzium: yup, leave it inittab as is. 07:52 -!- hyarion [i=hyarion@shaka.acc.umu.se] has joined #ipodlinux 07:52 < courtc> does podzilla start? 07:53 < linuxstb> Lex: Have you tried deleting all the files and recopying? I normally just do "unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/ipod/" from my home directory. 07:53 < spazzium> oops 07:53 < Lex> linuxstb: but i can change it from config.c 07:53 < spazzium> courtc: I see the problem now 07:53 < spazzium> you're calling EVERYTHING from the rc file now? 07:53 < courtc> ai2097: some toolchains come with libz.a 07:53 < courtc> spazzium: yep. 07:53 < spazzium> I just wrote over the default inittab 07:53 < spazzium> ok... even inetd? 07:53 < courtc> nope, we don't run inetd 07:54 < spazzium> ok 07:54 * spazzium replaces original inittab 07:54 < G2_vincent> #ipodlinux.re 07:54 < aegray> huh? 07:54 < G2_vincent> (sorry i'm out of it, it's the morning here) 07:55 < G2_vincent> made a typing mistake 07:55 < G2_vincent> :) 07:55 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:56 < spazzium> courc: things to note, I have to chmod the rc file 07:56 < spazzium> might edit that in the package if possible 07:56 < courtc> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 559 Feb 15 01:48 etc/rc 07:56 < Lex> YEAH 07:56 < courtc> already is 07:56 < Lex> it works now 07:56 < Lex> but it won't find ipl 07:57 < spazzium> yeah I forgot I replaced the rc file too 07:57 < spazzium> my bad. 07:57 < courtc> grah. 07:57 < courtc> I want you to test it as is.. :p 07:57 < Lex> yeaa 07:58 < Lex> now i have all in the ipl loader 2 07:58 < Lex> linuxstb: thank you 07:58 < spazzium> ok 07:58 < spazzium> loading original rc file 07:59 * aegray bedtime 08:00 < Lex> but scandinavians doesn't work on this :( 08:00 < Lex> they worked one time 08:00 < aegray> huh? 08:00 < aegray> scandinavians? 08:00 -!- smacmac [n=severins@79.84-48-113.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 08:00 < spazzium> courtc: I have a working pozilla 08:01 < spazzium> gonna try to break it now 08:01 < BHSPitMonkey> can I try out this "pozilla"? 08:01 * spazzium bashes BHSPitMonkey with a banana 08:02 < spazzium> courtc: font switching looks schweeeet 08:02 < BHSPitMonkey> the banana's all mushy now :( 08:02 < aegray> spazzium: can you answer my electrolyte question real quick? please :) (/me tired) 08:03 < Lex> it's about the font.. :o 08:03 < Lex> aegray: i mean, ä ö å 08:03 < spazzium> oh sorry 08:03 < spazzium> what electrolyte question 08:03 < aegray> jas 08:03 < spazzium> oh 08:03 < spazzium> the strong or weak 08:03 < courtc> spazzium: so it all works? pz0, font switching in pz0 and poweroff? 08:04 < aegray> yea 08:04 < aegray> or non.. 08:04 < spazzium> courtc: looks to yeah 08:04 < spazzium> looks great in fact 08:04 < aegray> :) 08:04 < courtc> cool, Thanks. 08:04 < spazzium> ok well you're now encroaching on areas I'm not strong in 08:04 < aegray> k 08:04 < spazzium> by strong or weak 08:04 < spazzium> do you mean a strong or weak bond? 08:05 < spazzium> like an ionic or chemical bond? 08:05 < aegray> ? 08:05 < spazzium> there's lots of stuff in chemistry that can be strong and/or weak 08:05 < BHSPitMonkey> what's the deal now? are we improving the vanilla userland? 08:05 < aegray> its just asking about strong and weak electrolytes 08:05 < spazzium> ohhhh 08:05 < spazzium> ok so here's the deal on electrolytes 08:05 < courtc> BHSPitMonkey: that's the idea. 08:05 < BHSPitMonkey> courtc: cool 08:05 < spazzium> potassium has a charge 08:05 < spazzium> sodium has an opposite charge 08:06 < spazzium> the "strength" so called of the electrolyte is centered around the concentrations of these two chemicals over a gradient 08:06 < BHSPitMonkey> hmm, be cool if there was a way to include in an archive, a link to a web address that's wgotten upon extraction :P 08:06 < aegray> spazzium: a gradient? 08:07 < spazzium> something that's now equal densities on both sides 08:07 < spazzium> s/now/not 08:07 < courtc> BHSPitMonkey: so, what you're saying, is an installer? 08:07 < aegray> k 08:07 < BHSPitMonkey> courtc: trying to avoid that :P 08:07 < spazzium> the best example of this is within the body 08:07 < spazzium> which is why I used sodium/potassium 08:08 < BHSPitMonkey> but just being tangent, don't read too much into it 08:08 < BHSPitMonkey> spazzium: is that why you had the banana handy? 08:08 < spazzium> BHSPitMonkey: well that really on provides the potassium 08:08 < spazzium> unless you have some table salt handy 08:08 * BHSPitMonkey salts spazzium in the eyes 08:08 < aegray> so if they gave me...NaCl and H3PO4 - how do I tell whether each will be strong or weak? 08:08 < BHSPitMonkey> NaCl'd! 08:09 < spazzium> aegray: you can tell that by comparing the charges of the parts of what you're mixing 08:10 < aegray> Na=+1 Cl=-1 08:10 < spazzium> you can look up the charges on the periodic table... a good one will tell you the charges when they're ions 08:10 < spazzium> right 08:10 < aegray> so strong? 08:10 < spazzium> weak 08:10 < aegray> why weak? 08:10 < spazzium> easy to break apart... methinks 08:10 < spazzium> this is the part where I could be very very wrong 08:10 < spazzium> what's the charge on h3po4? 08:10 < aegray> that means its a strong electrolyte because it ionizes completely in water 08:10 < aegray> h3 = +3 PO4 i thought was -3 08:10 < aegray> but I might be wrong 08:11 < spazzium> that should be right 08:11 < spazzium> and my thinking is that's probably a really strong bond 08:11 < aegray> how can you tell? 08:11 < spazzium> because things don't gather together that much unless they really like each other 08:11 < spazzium> so they're not going to free themselves up easily 08:12 < aegray> so basically - lots of elements = strong bonds? 08:12 < aegray> less = weaker 08:12 < spazzium> not lots of elements, lots of charge on either side 08:12 < spazzium> I think. 08:12 < BHSPitMonkey> mv #ipodlinux #chemistry 08:12 < Lex> rockbox is cool 08:12 < aegray> ah 08:12 < aegray> tehre is no chemistry 08:12 < Lex> if there would be support for itunesdb, it would be excellent 08:12 < aegray> +# 08:12 < BHSPitMonkey> Lex: finally, something a -little- bit ontopic :P 08:12 < spazzium> You should really wiki this though, it's been like 4 years since I've seen a chemistry book 08:13 -!- Luke [n=Luke@66.103.97.34] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:13 < Lex> bass <3 08:13 < Lex> BHSPitMonkey: :O 08:13 < BHSPitMonkey> Lex: they're not going to make it, someone who wants it bad enough better do it 08:13 < Lex> :( 08:13 < BHSPitMonkey> their philosophy is to not have a db-based player 08:13 < spazzium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolyte 08:13 < BHSPitMonkey> it's sacreligious to them 08:14 < Lex> yeah, but it's hard to listen music, you know 08:14 < spazzium> seriously it explains in the first paragraph 08:14 < Lex> if wants to use apple os too 08:14 * aegray will worry about it tomorrow 08:14 < aegray> tired 08:14 < aegray> night 08:14 < Lex> night 08:14 < ai2097> BHSPitLappy: ... 08:14 < Lex> i love this bass 08:14 < ai2097> http://ipodlinux.org/MPD -> "Work is ongoing on an iTunesDB to MPDdb scanner." 08:15 < Lex> ai2097: are you developing mpd for ipl? :o 08:15 < spazzium> courtc: 08:15 < BHSPitMonkey> Lex: their purpose is a -replacement-, not an add-on feature :P 08:15 < ai2097> No, not really :p. 08:15 < spazzium> with further testing I'm getting strange rendering problems, looks like a result of the... fonts I think 08:15 < ai2097> (@ Lex) 08:15 < BHSPitMonkey> Lex: that's courtc's racket. 08:15 < Lex> :O 08:16 < Lex> look, my mpd wont work :( 08:16 * BHSPitMonkey looks 08:16 < spazzium> like in pozilla root the bottom half is all black 08:16 < ai2097> It must be a quantum MPD :p. 08:16 < spazzium> *podzilla 08:16 < Lex> on boot, it says that converting utf-8 to iso-8859-1 08:16 < ai2097> It only doesn't work when you're looking at it ;p. 08:16 < Lex> and then goes 5-10 minutes and then podzilal boots 08:16 < Lex> and in pz0, it freezes when i go to music 08:17 < spazzium> hmmm... could be a result of theme too 08:17 < spazzium> not sure 08:17 < spazzium> was using extra wide fixed width font 08:19 < spazzium> music isn't working either, I have no evidence that it mounted fat partition 08:19 < ai2097> spazzium: Symlinked /mnt/iPod_Control to /iPod_Control? 08:20 < spazzium> rc file should already do that but.. no it doesn't look like it :) 08:20 < spazzium> I'm just pointing this stuff out to courtc :) 08:20 < ai2097> MPD -> works for me. 08:20 < spazzium> with the userland she just released? 08:21 < courtc> look in /mnt 08:21 < ai2097> Ah, no. With an only minorly tweaked version of the prior userland. 08:21 < spazzium> good idea 08:22 < spazzium> oh yeah 08:22 < spazzium> it's there 08:22 < spazzium> everything in mnt is there 08:22 < spazzium> in fat partition 08:22 < ai2097> Very zen. But I think that a more useful statement could be made :p. 08:23 < spazzium> do I still need a symlink in / to ipodcontrol? 08:23 < ai2097> I think MPD breaks if you don't have it. 08:23 < courtc> yep, since it isn't needed for macipods 08:23 < spazzium> oh 08:23 < spazzium> right 08:23 * spazzium fires up text entry 08:23 < spazzium> this should be fun. 08:24 < spazzium> crap, forgot that got blown away 08:24 * spazzium plugs back up 08:24 < spazzium> *in 08:24 < spazzium> fuck 08:24 < spazzium> I'm going to bed after this 08:25 < spazzium> hey courtc how do I get this badboy to sleep normally under linux? 08:26 < courtc> sleep? you don't. but the poweroff beta is included in that userland, so you can goto Power->Poweroff ipod 08:26 < spazzium> btw, reboot looks cleaner now, wrap around on text works 08:27 < spazzium> looks nice 08:31 < spazzium> poweroff beta working fine on nano 08:31 < spazzium> just takes awhile for lcd to die 08:32 < courtc> yup 08:34 < ai2097> Oh, wonderful. How many more gadgets are they gonna cram into this thing? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/02/08/portalplayer_wireless_ipod_chip/ 08:34 < spazzium> HAHAHAHAHA 08:34 < spazzium> reverse engineer till your eyes bleed 08:34 < ai2097> And then some... 08:34 < spazzium> you guys better look out 08:34 < spazzium> before long the ipod will be a mobile phone 08:35 < ai2097> Hey, we'd better grab the spec sheets while they're still availble from the old company :p. 08:35 < spazzium> hahaha 08:36 < Lex> wow 08:37 -!- kashi [n=KK@227.179.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 08:37 < ai2097> Hey... it looks like datasheets -are- still available... http://www.csr.com/products/unifirange.htm 08:38 < ai2097> Or not. 08:39 < Lex> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/02/09/apple_readies_video_ipod/ what's this? :O 08:39 < Lex> 3,5" screen on a mp3 player? :P 08:39 < Lex> *touch 08:39 < ai2097> No, no. 08:39 < BHSPitMonkey> I saw the picture. 08:39 < ai2097> It's a -video- player ;p. 08:39 < Lex> where 08:39 < BHSPitMonkey> looked like all the other photoshops though 08:40 < Lex> http://digital-lifestyles.info/copy_images/apple-video-lg1.jpg this? :D 08:40 < EvilDude> well if it's still gonna be playing those shit 320x240 videos from iTMS it cant be that good 08:40 < ai2097> MP3 players are passe` now. 08:40 < Lex> oh 08:40 < ai2097> So, now it's MP3... with pictures >_> 08:40 < Lex> :o 08:40 < Lex> now i need to go to school -> 08:41 < BHSPitMonkey> Lex: umm, no 08:41 < EvilDude> if apple launches a new iPod I'll hate them :P 08:42 < EvilDude> just bought this 5g, better not be something better that I should have waited for :p 08:42 < ai2097> EvilDude: Welcome to the world of computing. 08:42 < ai2097> You are now obsolete. 08:42 < EvilDude> i know :( 08:42 < EvilDude> although ipl will probably work earlier on 5g 08:42 < EvilDude> so i dont mind 08:42 < ai2097> Though, to be honest, I'd think that Apple would have longer product lifecycles than they do... 08:43 < EvilDude> yeah, especially lately 08:43 < ai2097> Releasing >1 product a year in the $200+ range... well, that just isn't sustainable. 08:44 < BHSPitLappy> http://pds2.egloos.com/pds/1/200602/13/67/a0004367_145171.jpg 08:44 < BHSPitLappy> see, the wheel is just an object on the screen 08:44 < EvilDude> Although I think the 5g might have been a little too much into one thing, I mean, decent screen for casual videos, damn good physically, pretty good battery lief 08:44 < spazzium> my god would that be awesome 08:44 < BHSPitLappy> I hate it. 08:44 < spazzium> I'd buy it. 08:44 < EvilDude> haha 08:44 < BHSPitLappy> I wouldn't 08:45 < spazzium> if you assholes could use the touchscreen imagine the possibilities 08:45 < spazzium> it'd be like having your own little nokia 770 project 08:45 < ai2097> ... I can imagine. 08:45 < BHSPitLappy> I already have a handheld 08:45 < ai2097> It'd be ruined in a month. 08:45 < BHSPitLappy> mmhmm 08:45 < spazzium> hahaha 08:45 < spazzium> likely true 08:45 * courtc sleepytime 08:45 < BHSPitLappy> ever used a handheld with your fingers? 08:45 < BHSPitLappy> you don't. 08:45 < ai2097> G'night courtc. 08:45 * spazzium as well 08:45 < BHSPitLappy> for a reason. 08:46 < EvilDude> if they make it as thin as 5g, but awesome video playback (widescreen, 640x400 or something res screen) divx, xvid, no reconverting required 08:46 < ai2097> But the touchscreen... is... insane. 08:47 < EvilDude> tis an awesome idea 08:47 < ai2097> It won't survive the pocket environment. There's no way it'll be durable enough; it'll scuff all to hell. 08:47 < EvilDude> as long as they actually use protective coating 08:47 < EvilDude> yeah 08:47 < EvilDude> i cant see apple makin good use of it though 08:47 < EvilDude> it wont be uber good until ipl is compatible with it ;) 08:47 < BHSPitLappy> no matter what coating was on it, it wouldn't be any different... 08:48 < ai2097> It's hard to have a hard/durable touch screen. 08:48 < spazzium> invisibleshield 08:48 < BHSPitLappy> doesn't matter what it was, it'd still be just as susceptable to fingerprints/smudges 08:48 < EvilDude> which is why you wait till people buy it and tell you how bad it really is after a month :p 08:49 < ai2097> Who will still have -money- to buy it? 08:49 * spazzium puts on trek 08:49 < spazzium> seriously, good night :) 08:51 < EvilDude> haha, well I'm willing to buy it if its actually good :) 08:52 < BHSPitLappy> the new Apple Video Player 08:52 < BHSPitLappy> in 512GB and 1TB 08:52 < BHSPitLappy> ;) 08:52 < linuxstb> Have Apple actually announced anything, or is it all still just speculation? 08:53 < BHSPitLappy> if it's speculation, then it's pretty coincidental how widespread these "facts" are 08:53 < linuxstb> That's the nature of the internet though - an article appears in one place, and it's duplicated everywhere. 08:53 * BHSPitLappy neither confirms nor denies the future existence of a touch-screen apple video player 08:54 < BHSPitLappy> I'd be proud if my photoshop job started such widespread rumor and unrest 08:54 < EvilDude> haha 08:55 < BHSPitLappy> it's been proven! the first existence of a truly bricked iPod! 08:55 < BHSPitLappy> http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5521/ibrick3rx.jpg 08:56 < EvilDude> hm whats the chance that apple will allow external apps that can actually control stuff on this new iPod 08:56 < EvilDude> (if there is the new iPod) 08:56 < BHSPitLappy> ? 08:56 < EvilDude> run own code 08:56 < EvilDude> without linux having to support 08:56 < EvilDude> wont happen :( but i can hope :p 08:57 < BHSPitLappy> oh, yeah 08:57 < BHSPitLappy> won't happen 08:57 < EvilDude> i cant see point of touch screen unless they have some awesome ideas (video - not used much by me, something else) 08:57 * BHSPitLappy likes how this photoshop job turned out http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pspbrick29xv.jpg 08:57 < BHSPitLappy> EvilDude: well, besides writing :P 08:58 < EvilDude> yeah but i mean is apple gonna let you though ? 08:58 * BHSPitLappy reminds EvilDude that BHSPitLappy is not employed by Apple 08:58 < EvilDude> heh 08:59 < BHSPitLappy> lets throw all this stuff in cdm's face next time he's here :P 08:59 -!- disident [n=disident@lec67-4-82-235-56-34.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:59 < ai2097> Look! Look! When are you going to support it? Huh? Huh? When!? 08:59 < disident> hi all 09:00 < disident> someone use the pz2 MPD module? 09:00 < ai2097> Nope. Found it to be totally broken. 09:00 < disident> ah 09:00 < disident> ... 09:00 < BHSPitLappy> disident broke it 09:00 < BHSPitLappy> I saw everything 09:00 < ai2097> Just run MPD the old-fashioned way. 09:01 < disident> ai2097, ok 09:01 < ai2097> BHSPitLappy: I'll get together the enraged, pitchfork-and-torch wielding mob. 09:01 < BHSPitLappy> shouldn't take you long 09:01 < disident> First you'll need to get MPD (http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/mpdc/mpd) and a podzilla with mpdc built in 09:02 < disident> but it's not pz2 ? 09:02 < ai2097> ... 09:02 < ai2097> PZ2 has an MPD client module. -That- works. 09:02 < BHSPitLappy> Music Player Daemon Controller 09:02 < ai2097> The MPD server module doesn't seem to play nice. Just install the server bit. 09:03 -!- Nappers [n=Nappers@203-114-178-29.inspire.net.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 09:03 < disident> i cant have acces to my music 09:04 < EvilDude> hmm i think this "new iPod" is just the new cellphone that apple is working on 09:04 < BHSPitLappy> haha 09:04 < BHSPitLappy> where's the earpiece? :P 09:05 < BHSPitLappy> a cell that requires headphones :D 09:06 < disident> bluetooth headphone .. 09:06 < ai2097> No, no. They figure that, since cellphones inspire rude, loud conversation anyway, they may as well just speakerphone the conversation so that wallflies can hear both sides. 09:06 < BHSPitLappy> brllnt! 09:07 < ai2097> BHSPitLappy: Did your vowels go on strike? 09:07 < BHSPitLappy> hehe 09:07 < BHSPitLappy> eliminated for efficiency ;) 09:07 < BHSPitLappy> (harvey birdman( 09:07 < disident> i have question about pz2, why haven't I no file association in the browser? (can't view video, pictures...) Why there is no "Music >" item in the menu? 09:07 < ai2097> Well, then, "you" compresses to nothing :p. 09:07 < BHSPitLappy> s/(/)/ 09:07 < BHSPitLappy> ai2097: in "you", the 'y' isn't acting as a vowel. 09:08 < BHSPitLappy> the 'yuh' function is a consonant 09:08 < BHSPitLappy> I suppose "a" and "I" are out of luck, though 09:08 < ai2097> So silent e's aren't vowels? 09:09 < BHSPitLappy> sure they are 09:09 < ai2097> So, then, Y has to be a vowel at all times as well ;) 09:09 < BHSPitLappy> y has duality, depending on the use it can be either a consonany or a vowel 09:09 < BHSPitLappy> it's the only one that does that 09:09 < ai2097> It's a matter of consistent logic. 09:09 < BHSPitLappy> it's a matter of knowing the damned english language! 09:10 < BHSPitLappy> english isn't a consistent, logical thing! 09:10 < ai2097> It is consistent about being capitalized. 09:10 < ai2097> As in English, the proper noun. 09:10 < BHSPitLappy> capitalization is the one thing that doesn't bother me as far as internet language 09:11 < ai2097> It bothers me quite a bit. 09:11 < BHSPitLappy> that damn shift key is so inconvenient ;) 09:11 < ai2097> Especially in the form of "i", the proper noun. 09:11 < BHSPitLappy> ok, Ai2097 ;) 09:11 < BHSPitLappy> well, usually I don't leave that one 09:12 < BHSPitLappy> in fact, practically never, 'cept for typos 09:12 < BHSPitLappy> but on IRC, it doesn't matter, since the pronoun "I" is spelled "/me" ;) 09:12 < ai2097> So, the shift key -isn't- so inconvenient -- at least for the letter I. 09:12 < ai2097> In which case, your sentence starting with "in fact" should have been capitalized ;p. 09:13 < BHSPitLappy> that's a matter of principle. 09:13 < ai2097> First person versus third prson. 09:13 < BHSPitLappy> the lowercase letter "i" by itself just looks wrong (because it is, in every context except math :P) 09:14 < ai2097> Lowercase letters following a single period look wrong, too. 09:14 < BHSPitLappy> ai2097: your proper capitalization and grammar are wasted when you drop letters at random :P 09:14 < BHSPitLappy> I typically don't write two sentences in an IRC line 09:15 < BHSPitLappy> when I do, it's some kind of rant/speech/lecture, in which case I turn on the "formality" mode :P 09:15 < ai2097> Capitalization is the difference between: 09:15 < BHSPitLappy> ooh I've heard this one 09:15 < BHSPitLappy> jack off the horse? 09:15 < BHSPitLappy> :P 09:15 < ai2097> BHSPitLappy: 'Nuff said :p. 09:15 < BHSPitLappy> lol 09:16 < BHSPitLappy> it's more about the correct use of appositive than capitalizatino 09:16 < ai2097> But that's capitalization and grammar. 09:16 < BHSPitLappy> umm, just assume that last word's spanish :P 09:16 < ai2097> No, no. It's Italian. Like... Turino >_> 09:16 < BHSPitLappy> mmhmm 09:16 -!- Nappers [n=Nappers@203-114-178-29.inspire.net.nz] has left #ipodlinux ["That's it... I'm outta here!"] 09:17 < BHSPitLappy> damn Winter Olympics 09:17 < ai2097> Turin. The name of the *!@#ing city is Turin. 09:17 < BHSPitLappy> ? :/ 09:17 < BHSPitLappy> Torino? 09:18 * BHSPitLappy doesn't give a damn about your geographical trickery 09:19 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@medea03.gchemie.uni-jena.de] has joined #iPodLinux 09:20 < ai2097> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/02/03/DI2006020302249.html 09:20 < ai2097> NBC renamed the city on a whim. 09:20 < BHSPitLappy> because NBC can. 09:21 < BHSPitLappy> what's wrong with calling it by the Italian name, if their country is hosting it??? 09:22 < BHSPitLappy> shouldn't it be retained as a proper noun anyway? 09:22 < ai2097> I don't buy that "it's what the Italians call it" line. 09:22 * ai2097 sics Google on it 09:22 < BHSPitLappy> ? 09:23 < BHSPitLappy> but because of my point, now I'm troubled that we call it Rome instead of Roma :P 09:23 -!- disident [n=disident@lec67-4-82-235-56-34.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:26 < ai2097> Whee. I stand corrected. http://www.aeroportoditorino.it/EN/voli/default.php 09:27 < BHSPitLappy> pwnt! 09:27 -!- DarthShr1ne [n=DarthShr@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #ipodlinux 09:27 < BHSPitLappy> that's gay that we change proper nouns though 09:27 < BHSPitLappy> what's the world coming to 09:28 -!- omp [n=omp@unaffilliated/omp] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:29 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@medea03.gchemie.uni-jena.de] has quit ["See you ..."] 09:30 < ai2097> I hate that word, "gay." Just like I hate "shit" used in the positive sense. Pick a meaning and goddamn -stick- with it, people! 09:30 < BHSPitLappy> umm 09:30 < BHSPitLappy> I meant the modern meaning 09:30 < BHSPitLappy> that's very homosexual, that they change around proper names 09:30 < ai2097> Well, which modern meaning? Homosexual or lame-ass? 09:31 < EvilDude> haha yeah shit being used in the positive sense is very odd 09:31 < BHSPitLappy> only when 'shit' is provided by 'the' 09:31 < BHSPitLappy> it's a very important adjective :P 09:31 < EvilDude> but then again, its cool to use words that mean the opposite to what you want to say :p 09:31 < ai2097> I before E except after C or before G, or as in "weird" (which is weird). 09:31 < BHSPitLappy> haha 09:31 < ai2097> Shit is negative, unless proceeded by "the", in which case it's positive. 09:32 < BHSPitLappy> mmhmm 09:32 < EvilDude> haha yep, ipl is the shit :p 09:32 < ai2097> "Man this totally sucks, dude." -> translation, this is awesome. 09:32 < BHSPitLappy> appleos is shit 09:32 < BHSPitLappy> ai2097: don't think so (yet) :P 09:32 -!- D4rthShr1ne [n=DarthShr@202-161-21-45.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 09:32 < EvilDude> ai2097: no main this totally the sucks perhaps :p 09:33 < BHSPitLappy> we were just taught this year that "the" and "a" are adjectives 09:33 < ai2097> ... what happened to "articles"? 09:33 < BHSPitLappy> we were like 'no way'... why hasn't anyone told us this? 09:33 < EvilDude> not anymore :p 09:33 < BHSPitLappy> ai2097: dead! 09:33 < ai2097> Just like English. 09:33 < BHSPitLappy> and Vaudeville! 09:33 < ai2097> English is dead. Long-live Neo-Babble. 09:34 < ai2097> In all of its irregardless fantacularness. 09:34 < BHSPitLappy> as much as you hate the word usage around you, that's about how much I hate people who have nothing to do but complain. 09:34 < ai2097> Oh, then we'll get along famously :p. 09:35 < BHSPitLappy> seriously, I don't take you as the kind of person who will ever be happy in your lifetime 09:36 < ai2097> Oh, you're spot on. I'm ever so bitter, and the lump of ice in my chest gets set all a twitter when I get the opportunity to shatter innocent dreams. 09:36 < BHSPitLappy> just making sure 09:36 < ai2097> :) 09:36 < bholland> I'm out 09:36 < bholland> later 09:36 < BHSPitLappy> my type takes pleasure in aggravating your type's various peeves :P 09:37 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has quit ["is sleeping naked"] 09:37 < ai2097> Oh, or kill babies. If I can do both at the same time, then it's like heaven. 09:37 < BHSPitLappy> feel free to bring in the dead baby jokes. 09:38 < ai2097> Actually, I haven't heard a dead baby joke in... my, must be close to two years now. 09:38 < EvilDude> time for some tales of symphonia :P this convo's gotten boring 09:38 < EvilDude> oh just thought i'd also mention that i'm a little kid coz i play a gamecube :) 09:38 < ai2097> No, I'm just sleep deprived -- and I get terribly obnoxious when that happens. Sleep would probably be a good thing now. 09:39 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has quit ["Sleep -- it's a Good Thing."] 09:41 * BHSPitLappy owns a gamecube 09:41 < BHSPitLappy> (for ZELDA) 09:44 -!- DarthShrine [n=DarthShr@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:46 < BHSPitLappy> uhhhhh, so, iPods... 09:50 -!- DarthShr1ne [n=DarthShr@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:52 -!- ballistix [n=ballisti@60-240-210-124.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 09:52 < ballistix> cowabunga 09:52 -!- D4rthShr1ne [n=DarthShr@202-161-21-45.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:53 < ballistix> are any of my good old buddies here? 09:54 < ballistix> great. GREAT! 10:04 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:07 < ballistix> imphasing 10:07 < ballistix> buddy. 10:07 < ballistix> haha 10:07 < ballistix> long time no see. 10:07 < ballistix> i've been in a cave for a while 10:07 < ballistix> great. IM STILL THE ONLY FUCKING PERSON HERE! 10:21 -!- linuxstb_ [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:21 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 10:21 -!- linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb 10:24 -!- F-F_[hmf] [i=FF_hmf@ipv6.have-more-fun.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:27 -!- ballistix [n=ballisti@60-240-210-124.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 10:53 -!- disident [n=disident@lec67-4-82-235-56-34.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:06 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:17 -!- rage_ [n=rage@0-1pool255-198.nas6.duluth1.mn.us.da.qwest.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 11:17 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:18 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:23 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:23 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:28 < EvilDude> BHSPitLappy : haha thats why i got the gc, for zelda, cant wait till twilight princess ;) but tales is an awesome game too :) 11:40 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:47 -!- Vanquisher1 [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:50 -!- perpleXa [i=perpleXa@dialin-145-254-179-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:50 < perpleXa> lo 11:51 < linuxstb> Anyone around who knows how long the lcd_bcm_finishup() function normally takes to execute? I remember someone mentioning the result of some timings... 11:51 -!- ho0ber [n=ho0ber@134.82.116.4] has joined #ipodlinux 11:52 < linuxstb> It's OK, I found it in the IRC logs - 14ms. 11:53 < perpleXa> hey, how can i get rid of ipodlinux 11:54 < perpleXa> actually, i lost my backup and the apple updater doesnt erase the ipodlinux bootloader 11:54 < perpleXa> it will just end up in kernel panic 11:55 < linuxstb> Are there any 5g users around willing to test the latest CVS? I've just committed a fix which should significantly help audio decoding speed. 11:56 < linuxstb> (sorry, wrong channel - I was talking about rockbox....) 11:56 < perpleXa> heh :> 12:18 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 12:22 < perpleXa> anyone using mpd? 12:38 < EvilDude> to anyone who cares, Opera officially announced browser for DS, seperate ds cartridge etc :) 12:41 < perpleXa> they are filling that browser with pointless shit imo 12:41 -!- kashi [n=KK@227.179.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 12:41 < perpleXa> who needs voice control and a torrent client anyway 12:41 < perpleXa> :) 12:42 < EvilDude> perpleXa: um its different on the DS , none of the full stuff although voice control might be semi useful on it :p 12:43 < perpleXa> well, yeah, i'm using opera, since its way better than firefox, mainly because it supports sessions and doesnt have memory leaks when using tabs 12:43 < perpleXa> but i dont like that they are continously adding shit 12:43 < perpleXa> :/ 12:44 < EvilDude> heh if it doesnt slow down browser, dont worry about it ;) 12:44 < perpleXa> it makes it eating my ram :) 12:45 < perpleXa> hmm nice, tried to install podzilla2, "unable to allocate ram" 12:45 < perpleXa> while copying the stuff 12:47 < perpleXa> installing it in windows seems not to work :( 12:47 < BleuLlama> 20:27 < BHSPitLappy> BleuLlama: it's not that I don't have it, it's just really 12:47 < BleuLlama> messed up :P maybe a bad svn operation though, I'll rm+up 12:47 < BleuLlama> BHSPitLappy: make clean; make 12:48 < BleuLlama> BHSPitLappy: the main structure changed with one of the recent checkins, so things got all wonky, and i haven't been bothered to set up dependancies in the makefile. heh 13:08 -!- quobl_ [n=quobl@tor/session/x-606f6864a9b87bbd] has joined #ipodlinux 13:08 < BleuLlama> wow. the new clocks look really nice on the nano 13:08 < imphasing> You're running code on the ipod? 13:08 < imphasing> (!) 13:08 < BleuLlama> yep 13:09 < imphasing> Oh my.. 13:09 < BleuLlama> i got my nano 1gb yesterday, and within ~15 minutes, had it running linux 13:09 < BleuLlama> (with podzilla0) 13:09 < imphasing> I haven't gotten to see any of that stuff, including gradients, on a color ipod. 13:09 < imphasing> You should post a tutorial. 13:09 < BleuLlama> i just installed the poweroff busybox, and podzilla2 13:09 * imphasing snickers 13:09 < BleuLlama> a tutorial? 13:09 < linuxstb> So there's no obvious differences apart from the size of the flash? 13:09 < BleuLlama> i followed directions on the wiki. 13:09 < BleuLlama> it's not that hard. 13:10 < BleuLlama> linuxstb: not that i've noticed. it seems to work fine 13:10 < imphasing> Like all the other idiots that figure out how to install it, and write up a detailed report that other idiots try to follow. 13:10 < BleuLlama> i haven't tested audio though 13:10 < imphasing> Yeah, the wiki works. 13:10 < BleuLlama> granted, it's a mac ipod. 13:10 < BleuLlama> so, that makes it easier 13:10 < BleuLlama> but i'm only going to be using this one with my mac 13:10 < BleuLlama> my other ipods are winpods, since my music archive at home is on my pee-cee 13:11 < BleuLlama> so my other ipods are fat formatted, so i can use them everywhere 13:11 < BleuLlama> iDoom is cute. 13:11 < BleuLlama> not very playable, but cute. 13:11 < imphasing> albeit unplayable.. 13:11 < imphasing> yeah. 13:11 < BleuLlama> i should copy over a heretic wad file 13:11 < BleuLlama> :D 13:11 < BleuLlama> imo, Heretic > Doo 13:11 < BleuLlama> er 13:11 < BleuLlama> imo, Heretic > Doom 13:11 < imphasing> I never liked the doom engine games.. 13:11 < BleuLlama> but that might be because of nostalgia. ;) 13:11 < imphasing> I liked the engine though. 13:12 < BleuLlama> hrm. the date string doesn't seem to be working right on the ipdo 13:12 < imphasing> Except John Carmack's code is almost impossible to read.. 13:12 < perpleXa> :> 13:12 < BleuLlama> but, he released the code, so that's good. 13:12 < perpleXa> doom 1 engine has been cool 13:12 < perpleXa> also the quake3 engine was 13:12 < imphasing> Yeah, it's awesome that he released the code. 13:12 < perpleXa> but the doom3 engine is actually shit 13:13 < imphasing> I never played it. 13:13 < perpleXa> the bump mapping stuff 13:13 < perpleXa> textures look gay, all low-res 13:13 < imphasing> Uh oh. 13:13 < perpleXa> even on high quality settings and 1600x1200 13:14 -!- florian__ [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 13:14 < BleuLlama> perpleXa: this is your only warning. pick better adjectives 13:15 -!- florian__ is now known as florian_ 13:15 < perpleXa> ok :P 13:15 < perpleXa> sorry 13:15 < imphasing> Ack, I forgot I have a test today.. 13:15 < imphasing> dayum. 13:15 < BleuLlama> wow. vortex is... 13:15 < BleuLlama> unplayable 13:15 < imphasing> Well.. 13:16 < imphasing> yeah, sort of. 13:16 < BleuLlama> time to start optimizing! 13:16 < imphasing> The wheel isn't really accurate. 13:16 < perpleXa> *note* i'm not on quakenet, so i better dont act that rough :> 13:16 < BleuLlama> :D 13:16 < imphasing> It might actually be good to make the wheel sort of "greasy", and maybe less responsive.. 13:17 < imphasing> Or just pad it a little 13:17 < imphasing> because it's sort of hard to get the little bugger in the right place. 13:17 < BleuLlama> oh, that's just the wheelmod stuff 13:17 < imphasing> ah 13:17 < BleuLlama> but the update speed is wicked low 13:17 < imphasing> Mm, that might be it then. 13:18 < BleuLlama> i only wish ipodloader2 played well with HFS. :( 13:18 < imphasing> It doesn't? 13:18 < imphasing> =/ 13:18 < BleuLlama> no. FAT only right now 13:18 < imphasing> Ah. 13:18 < BleuLlama> i'd help out and work on the HFS driver for it, but i'd be stabbing in the dark. 13:19 < BleuLlama> the project is better off waiting for someone more competant in that area to come along and work on it. 13:19 < BleuLlama> (or for slowcoder to finish it) 13:19 < BleuLlama> ;) 13:19 < imphasing> Does the rockbox loader work with HFS? 13:19 < imphasing> Eh, probably not... 13:19 < EvilDude> they're windows only people there 13:20 < BleuLlama> hmm? 13:20 < perpleXa> imphasing: nope 13:21 < perpleXa> there's an article in the wiki whihc tells you to use fat partitions 13:21 < BleuLlama> i'm tempted to repartition to put a small FAT partition on the drive just for kernels. heh 13:22 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:22 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:22 < imphasing> Ok, classtime. 13:23 * imphasing is away: Gah. Stupid classes. 13:25 < BleuLlama> why do you need to take classes for "Stupid"... you're doing just fine on your own 13:25 < BleuLlama> etc. 13:25 < BleuLlama> ;) 13:27 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-166-79.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 13:28 < BleuLlama> heya veteran 13:28 < veteran> hey 13:29 < veteran> hm i'm thinking it's time for a "tutorials only in the wiki" rule 13:33 < BleuLlama> rather than on the wiki? 13:34 < BleuLlama> er 13:34 < BleuLlama> rather than on the forums? 13:34 < veteran> yep, sorry another case of ambiguous english 13:34 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslc-213-023-175-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:34 < veteran> (no tuts on forums) 13:34 < BleuLlama> sounds cool to me 13:35 < BleuLlama> that way people will tweak them in one wiki page, rather than multiple forums pages 13:35 < veteran> yeah, and will make it more of a community effort than "read so-and-so's tutorial, it's better than BleuLlama's" 13:35 -!- veteran is now known as vet`afk 13:35 < BleuLlama> although... 13:35 < BleuLlama> all tutorials are better than mine 13:36 < BleuLlama> ;) 13:36 < BleuLlama> seriously though, that sounds like a very good idea to me 13:36 < vet`afk> haha ;) alright i'll post tonight about it 13:36 < vet`afk> work time :( 13:42 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:45 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:46 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/clocks/binary.c: Minor tweaks to get it looking better on all screens. Thanks for BHSPitMonkey for pointing out what I thought was a bug at first as well, but it turned out to be intentional... :) It's done the way it is to get the spacing right. :) (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/855) 13:57 -!- vet`afk [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-166-79.houston.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:01 < perpleXa> could anyone help fixing "Unable to connect to mdp" when podzilla starts? 14:02 < perpleXa> mpd* 14:13 < coob> take out the mpd module. 14:15 < perpleXa> i want to use that mod 14:16 < perpleXa> well its caused by the "mpdc" module i guess cos i hadnt installed the mpd module yet 14:16 < coob> well then, thats you're getting the error, duh. 14:17 < perpleXa> hmm now something really went wrong, the extras folder is completely emtpy 14:18 < perpleXa> hmm it didnt copy the modules folder properly 14:21 -!- perpleXa [i=perpleXa@dialin-145-254-179-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 14:22 -!- BarretJ [n=BarretJ@tux64-04.cs.drexel.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 14:24 < BarretJ> where do the names mhsd, mhlp, mhit, mhyp, etc. come from? 14:24 < BarretJ> do they stand for something? 14:24 < coob> they're in the itunesdb 14:24 < coob> and yes, i think so 14:26 < BarretJ> i've noticed that the last two letters usually describe what the thing is, like mhit is a track item, so it = "item track", or mhlt is a tracklist so lt = "list track" 14:26 < BarretJ> but what about the "mh" part? 14:26 < BarretJ> what does that mean? 14:26 < coob> can't remember 14:26 < BHSPitLappy> woah 14:27 < BHSPitLappy> I said something useful 14:27 * BHSPitLappy == amazed 14:28 < coob> i think you need to byte swap it 14:28 < coob> mhbd = hmdb maybe? 14:28 < coob> header something database 14:28 < coob> header something data struct 14:29 < coob> header something track list 14:29 < coob> header something track item 14:29 < coob> header something data object 14:29 < coob> i dunno. 14:29 < coob> does it really matter? 14:29 < BHSPitLappy> EvilDude: hells yeah! 14:29 < BarretJ> no 14:29 < BarretJ> i was just curious, and was wondering if anyone here knew 14:30 < EvilDude> they better not have delayed twilight princess :( 14:30 < coob> pm otto on the forums.. 14:30 < EvilDude> i can wait till e3 but any later and it'll be too late 14:30 < BHSPitLappy> EvilDude: set for june IIRC 14:30 < EvilDude> at least i guess it'll be good 14:30 < EvilDude> or rather the best game ever :) 14:31 < BHSPitLappy> [/OT] 14:32 < EvilDude> anyway i think its time i sleep 14:32 < BHSPitLappy> nite. 14:32 < EvilDude> i feel a bad headache already =\ night 14:32 -!- EvilDude [n=prashant@CPE-60-225-204-122.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:42 -!- nordik [n=gnaughto@hydra.psychology.uiowa.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 15:03 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 15:06 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/vortex/vstars.c: Added to clear up an IPOD build warning (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/856) 15:06 -!- nordik [n=gnaughto@hydra.psychology.uiowa.edu] has quit ["[BX] The birds kept calling his name, thought Caw"] 15:07 -!- nordik [n=gnaughto@hydra.psychology.uiowa.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 15:14 -!- boza111 [n=boza111@p5088E953.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:27 < BleuLlama> hrm. clocks seem to be ignoring the 'tick noise' setting 15:30 -!- quobl_ [n=quobl@tor/session/x-606f6864a9b87bbd] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:32 -!- quobl_ [n=quobl@tor/session/x-76858f30c28b673e] has joined #ipodlinux 15:33 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:35 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/clocks/clocks.c: We shouldn't ignore the user setting for time tick noise. oops. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/857) 15:36 -!- disident [n=disident@lec67-4-82-235-56-34.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:40 < BleuLlama> any of you happen to know which ipods internally store the time as UTC, rather than local? 15:41 < BleuLlama> i'm guessing it's the newer ipods (nano/video) -- the ones that added a world clock that store it in UTC. 15:41 * BleuLlama makes that assumption and runs with it 15:42 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:53 < linuxstb> Anyone know if/how the libitunesdb available here http://cfergeau.free.fr/libitunesdb.html relates to http://libitunesdb.sourceforge.net/ ? 15:57 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:57 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:00 -!- perpleXa [i=perpleXa@dialin-145-254-189-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:10 -!- kashi [n=KK@227.179.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 16:13 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/clocks/clocks.c: Added support for nano/5g's timezone, hereby decreed "FTZ". Not sure yet if the date is right or not, since that's not displaying right. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/858) 16:14 < BleuLlama> okay. local and world clocks should be displaying right on Nano/5g now. 16:14 < BleuLlama> setting time, and date display are still screwed up 16:20 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #iPodLinux 16:22 -!- imphasing_ [n=a766a239@yossman.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:22 < perpleXa> would be cool if the clock were working anyway :P 16:22 < perpleXa> it displays 00:00 all time after rebooting 16:23 < BleuLlama> perpleXa: you need to re-read your install procedure. you forgot something. 16:23 < BleuLlama> unless you're on 1g/2g ipod 16:23 < imphasing_> there's some line you can put in the rc file that syncs the clock with the hw clock after every reboot, I think. 16:23 < perpleXa> mini 16:24 -!- bluey [n=bluey@dslb-084-059-117-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:24 < BleuLlama> yep. you forgot a line. 16:24 < BleuLlama> throw this in your /etc/rc file on the ipod: 16:24 < BleuLlama> hwclock --hctosys 16:24 < BleuLlama> thank me later 16:24 < imphasing_> that's the one. 16:24 < perpleXa> hwclock --hwtosys... or something - and nope i didnt forget that 16:24 < imphasing_> :D 16:24 < BleuLlama> then there's something wrong with your ipod, or you didn't put it in the file right. 16:25 < BleuLlama> oh. yeah. you f'ed up. 16:25 < BleuLlama> i see the typo 16:25 < perpleXa> i wrote "or something" :) 16:25 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:26 < perpleXa> its corrent in the file, well i have to make a clean install anyway, but i dont know how to get rid of that bootloader.. 16:26 < perpleXa> tried to use the apple updater, but the ipodlinux bootloader wont go away :> 16:26 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:28 < BleuLlama> time to go shopping for accessories for my new Nano 16:28 < imphasing_> Woo. 16:28 < imphasing_> Buy a screen protecting doohickey. 16:29 < Cillian> naa 16:29 < Cillian> selotape 16:29 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:29 < BleuLlama> would you also put plastic on a couch to keep it from getting dirty? 16:29 < BleuLlama> i wouldn't 16:29 -!- jfnicolas [n=jfnicola@lec67-1-81-56-105-26.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:30 < imphasing_> Hey, I never buy things for my ipod, to protect it 16:30 < imphasing_> But if you're an "accessory" sort of guy, that might be your deal. 16:30 < BleuLlama> i keep my 4g ipod in my pocket. 16:30 < imphasing_> I keep my 3G in my pocket,. 16:30 < imphasing_> :D 16:30 < imphasing_> s/,// 16:31 < BleuLlama> i used to have one of those clear rubberized thingies for my 4g, but some grit got between it and the ipod, and it scuffed up the ipod BAD 16:31 < BleuLlama> much worse than it would have been without 16:31 < imphasing_> It makes them look less ipod-esqe too 16:32 < BleuLlama> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/70603/wo/8R2ZAgd7VWyH2NP4QizqWq3mxUR/9.SLID?mco=E558D7F0&nplm=TG255LL%2FA 16:32 < imphasing_> Oh man.. 16:32 < BleuLlama> do people really buy crap like that? 16:32 < imphasing_> That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen,,, 16:32 < imphasing_> Well..they are sort of heavy, 16:32 < imphasing_> It would be tradgic to drop it on your toe. 16:32 < imphasing_> the light increases visibility. 16:34 < BleuLlama> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/70603/wo/8R2ZAgd7VWyH2NP4QizqWq3mxUR/19.SLID?mco=82B263F0&nplm=TF287LL%2FA that one actually looks pretty nice. i'm not gonna get it, but it looks nice 16:37 < imphasing_> That's probably the nicest case I've seen for one.. 16:37 < imphasing_> Most of them are uuugly 16:38 < imphasing_> the headphone jack on the bottom of the nano would piss me off though 16:39 -!- jfnicolas [n=jfnicola@lec67-1-81-56-105-26.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 16:39 < BleuLlama> it actually works out pretty well 16:39 < BleuLlama> if you have your headphones on, with the ipod on your desk, the cable comes out of the bottom. 16:40 < imphasing_> Ah.. 16:40 -!- erus` [n=tom@ACD8C5CB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:40 < BleuLlama> i'm tempted to get the radio remote. heh 16:41 < imphasing_> I want to buy that AV cable for my video, but I can't help thinking I could probably solder one up for around $5... 16:41 < BleuLlama> just get any AV 1/8" cable. 16:41 < BleuLlama> just plug the wires in to your tv/vcr/receiver until they're right 16:42 < imphasing_> Is tje ipod's side just a stereo phono plug? 16:42 < imphasing_> s/tje/the/ 16:42 < BleuLlama> yep. a 4 conductor 1/8" plug 16:42 < BleuLlama> camcorders have used those for years 16:42 < imphasing_> huh...those bastards. 16:42 < imphasing_> And charging $19 for it... 16:42 < BleuLlama> just get any 1/8" cable for any camcorder ($5-$10) and it should work fine 16:43 < imphasing_> Cool.. 16:43 < BleuLlama> you might need to use Red for video, rather than Yellow, but still, who cares? 16:43 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:43 < imphasing_> Oh my..How shall I cope? 16:44 < BleuLlama> exactly 16:47 < imphasing_> 3.5mm connectors are the same as 1/8th inch, right? 16:48 -!- bluey [n=bluey@dslb-084-059-117-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:48 < imphasing_> http://www.buyextras.com/3mato3rcapl6.html #cheap... 16:48 < BleuLlama> i dunno 16:49 < BleuLlama> probably... whatever regular headphones are 16:49 < BleuLlama> yeah. that cable should work 16:49 < BleuLlama> i like the customer "review" 16:49 < BleuLlama> "good" 16:50 < BleuLlama> you might want to buy 10 of them, then ebay them for fun and profit 16:50 < imphasing_> Yeah, makes me weant to buy it.. 16:50 < imphasing_> "iPod Video AV Cable! Like new condition!" 16:50 < BleuLlama> iPod Video compatible AV Cable! 16:50 < imphasing_> Yeah, that's better. 16:50 < imphasing_> Less lawsuits.. 16:51 < BleuLlama> if you want to be fancy, also buy some red, white, and yellow heat shrink tubing, and put it over the connectors. 16:51 < BleuLlama> (with the appropriate colors, of course) 16:51 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:52 < imphasing_> Or just alot of white heatshrnk, like Apple does. 16:52 < imphasing_> :D 16:52 < BleuLlama> they color code the RCA plug ends though. 16:53 < imphasing_> Ah yes.. 16:53 < perpleXa> bah that ipod makes me go ballistic.. 16:53 < imphasing_> Also, I don't have a heat gun. 16:53 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-166-79.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:53 < imphasing_> So it would make it look all lumpy. 16:53 < perpleXa> use a zippo, works too :) 16:54 < imphasing_> that makes it look all lumpy. 16:54 < imphasing_> :P 16:54 < imphasing_> even heat makes it look professional. 16:54 < perpleXa> i cant restore my ipods factory settings :( 16:54 < perpleXa> the ipod updater goes nuts 16:54 < imphasing_> Delete all the partitions, format the sucker, and use the updater.. 16:55 < perpleXa> erm 16:55 < perpleXa> format what, after deleting the partitions? :P 16:55 < perpleXa> anyway, i cant delete them in windows, and i'm too lazy to boot up a linux sys now 16:56 < imphasing_> "format it" would imply creating a partition. 16:56 < imphasing_> :P 16:56 < BleuLlama> delete the partitions, or make an incorrect partition table 16:56 < BleuLlama> then run the apple updater 16:57 < perpleXa> how? :) 16:57 < BleuLlama> i've done that *many* times 16:57 < imphasing_> I've never needed to restore mine... 16:57 < imphasing_> :P 16:57 < imphasing_> I just make a backup of the table, and the partitions, and restore those 16:57 < BleuLlama> how? with a partition table tool 16:57 < imphasing_> Not the entire music partition though.. 16:57 < BleuLlama> linux fdisk, etc. 16:57 < imphasing_> that would get bulky. 16:58 < perpleXa> i've lost my backup :( 16:58 < BleuLlama> perpleXa: then do what i just said, and you can get your ipod back to a 'like new' state 16:58 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:58 < perpleXa> that worked once for me too 16:59 < perpleXa> i mean 16:59 < perpleXa> just starting the updater 16:59 < perpleXa> i'll try that later, thnx 16:59 < imphasing_> Time to get something to eat. 16:59 -!- imphasing_ [n=a766a239@yossman.net] has quit ["Eat time."] 17:06 -!- perpleXa [i=perpleXa@dialin-145-254-189-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 17:06 -!- kashi [n=KK@227.179.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 17:12 -!- imphasing_ [n=a766a239@yossman.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:12 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 17:17 -!- imphasing_ [n=a766a239@yossman.net] has quit ["yossman.net freenode.net/wikipedia webchat CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2005) (EOF)"] 17:25 -!- imphasing_ [n=a766a239@yossman.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:29 -!- intim [i=UNKNOWN@c217162.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 17:29 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:34 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:34 -!- ghode|afk [i=testing@host-84-9-105-90.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:51 -!- intim [i=UNKNOWN@c217162.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit ["leaving"] 17:51 -!- intim [i=UNKNOWN@c217162.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 17:51 -!- intim [i=UNKNOWN@c217162.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 17:52 -!- intim [i=UNKNOWN@c217162.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- imphasing_ [n=a766a239@yossman.net] has quit ["yossman.net freenode.net/wikipedia webchat CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2005) (EOF)"] 18:05 -!- Bi-noix [i=binoix@81.56.247.86] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:05 -!- Bi-noix [i=binoix@81.56.247.86] has joined #ipodlinux 18:11 -!- boza [n=boza111@p5088E953.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:22 -!- boza111 [n=boza111@p5088E953.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:30 -!- IRCMonkey [n=chatzill@61.246.74.99] has joined #ipodlinux 18:30 -!- Cillian_ [n=cillian@host86-136-252-144.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ipodlinux 18:30 -!- IRCMonkey is now known as dude11 18:30 -!- djaconil [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:32 -!- ho0ber [n=ho0ber@134.82.116.4] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:33 -!- dude11 [n=chatzill@61.246.74.99] has quit [Client Quit] 18:34 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 18:36 -!- Subdino [n=vincent@ALille-251-1-21-14.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 18:43 -!- Cillian [n=cillian@host86-136-252-144.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:52 < Subdino> hi. any idea why the menu in pz2 is slow, compared to pz0 ? 18:53 < Lex> Subdino: it checks the battery level every second 18:53 < Subdino> scrolling the cursor shows vsync-ish distortion 18:53 < Subdino> ah :/ 18:53 < Subdino> is it that slow ? how often was it on pz0 ? 18:53 < Lex> don't know 18:54 < Lex> i'm going to sleep, good night 18:54 < Subdino> I also saw that the menu is calibrated to 10 fps (">" & text blink) 18:54 < Subdino> good night 18:55 -!- djaconil [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 18:56 < Subdino> I think there is another problem, something related to graphic functions (or maybe higher level, like widget drawing) 18:57 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:58 -!- quobl_ [n=quobl@tor/session/x-76858f30c28b673e] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:05 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 19:07 -!- G2_vincent [n=ingenieu@bdv75-4-82-226-115-162.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:15 -!- BHSPitLappy2 [i=Steve-O@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:20 -!- djaconil [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:20 -!- djaconil [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:23 -!- tarpman [i=tarpman@d64-180-41-36.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:37 < BleuLlama> Subdino: there's a settings option to adjust the speed of the menu slide in pz2 19:38 -!- BarretJ [n=BarretJ@tux64-04.cs.drexel.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 19:40 < Subdino> where ? 19:41 < Subdino> I mean, not a problem about the clicwheel speed 19:42 < coob> Funnily enough, in 'Settings' 19:42 < Subdino> neither about transition betwen menus 19:42 < BleuLlama> Settings /Appearance / Menu Transition 19:42 < BleuLlama> it's not that hard to find' 19:42 < Subdino> so that's not what I mean 19:43 < BleuLlama> at least, i didn't think so 19:43 < Subdino> the cursor lags 19:43 < BleuLlama> that's the "transition between menus" like you said 19:43 < coob> thats a known issue, pending patch approval. 19:43 < Subdino> eh ? 19:43 < coob> cursor? 19:43 < coob> you mean selected menu item. 19:43 < Subdino> yes 19:43 < coob> known issue in both pz's. 19:43 < coob> pending patch like i said 19:43 < Subdino> BleuLlama: I don't see any mention of transition in my previous sentences 19:44 < Subdino> except for < Subdino> neither about transition betwen menus 19:44 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=Steve-O@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:44 < BleuLlama> yeah/. 19:44 < BleuLlama> oh. 19:44 < Subdino> to me it doesn't happen in pz0 19:44 < BleuLlama> i'm sorry. i misunderstood what you were saying 19:44 < Subdino> ok :) 19:44 < BleuLlama> yeah. pz0 used a completely different graphics engine 19:45 < BleuLlama> man, i freakin love this thing. :D 19:45 -!- Windows_Ninety_E [n=gdbwindo@66-189-15-150.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:45 -!- dark [i=deviled_@unaffiliated/darkx] has quit ["changing servers"] 19:45 < Windows_Ninety_E> Hello 19:46 < Windows_Ninety_E> Anyone there 19:46 < Windows_Ninety_E> I need help 19:46 -!- dark [i=deviled_@microsoft.gotrooted.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:46 < Windows_Ninety_E> hellow 19:47 < BleuLlama> i guess it's time for me to turn MikMod into a PZ2 module. 19:47 < Subdino> ah :) 19:47 < Subdino> here it freezes my ipod 19:47 < Subdino> just displaying crap on screen 19:48 < Subdino> mmh, wouldn't it be better to improve mpd instead of creating a module ? 19:49 < Windows_Ninety_E> right, ill be rigth back then 19:50 -!- tarpman [i=tarpman@d64-180-41-36.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Success] 19:56 < BleuLlama> i seem to remember at some point in the past couple of weeks, someone wrote a program that simply lets you select a program (podzilla/etc) to run, and runs it. anyone know what i might be talking about? 19:58 -!- djaconil [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:02 -!- djaconil [n=jocelyn@vol75-10-82-244-224-188.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:03 < Windows_Ninety_E> hey 20:03 < Windows_Ninety_E> can someone help me installing please 20:05 -!- Windows_Ninety_E [n=gdbwindo@66-189-15-150.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [] 20:07 < erus`> you mean mean people 20:08 -!- boza [n=boza111@p5088E953.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:12 -!- tarpman [i=tarpman@d64-180-41-36.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:13 < Subdino> about pending patches, I haven't had any news from my last one 20:13 < Subdino> (neither about the one about module names at load, but I'm quite afraid to have any news from it) 20:15 < BleuLlama> i still didn't see the patch itself submitted. 20:15 < Subdino> eh ? 20:15 < BleuLlama> i saw the email, but not the patch. 20:15 < Subdino> even the second time I sent it ? 20:15 < Subdino> the first time was... late :) 20:15 < BleuLlama> i don't think so. lemme check 20:15 < BleuLlama> i think josh_ is looking into applying it, regardless 20:17 < Subdino> sylpheed shows me the patch in the outgoing mail 20:17 < Subdino> after the gpg signature 20:18 < BleuLlama> ok 20:18 < BleuLlama> i'm on crack. ignore me 20:18 < Subdino> :) 20:18 < linuxstb> I've just been working on Rockbox's 5G LCD driver, and with some optimisations and changes, it is now managing updates at 42fps - so I don't think the current method of access is as bad as we were thinking. 20:19 < BleuLlama> nice 20:19 < linuxstb> It still has that long finishup time, but at least in Rockbox, we can be doing other things (i.e. decoding audio) during that wait. 20:26 < Subdino> linuxstb: what's the difference between the 2 types of 220x176 color lcd ? 20:27 < Subdino> or is it only a controler difference, maybe 20:27 < BleuLlama> bummer. heretic wad doesn't work on iDoom. :( 20:27 < linuxstb> Physically they look the same, but the controller is slightly different. 20:28 < Subdino> ok 20:28 < Subdino> BleuLlama: I hope ther will be sound someday on idoom 20:28 < BleuLlama> it's not like it's playable. it's a cute novelty. 20:28 < Subdino> erm 20:28 * Subdino went to the 3rd level 20:28 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:29 < Subdino> it's playable :) 20:29 < BleuLlama> you have much more patience than me 20:30 * Subdino still woders how to do iddqd on a scroll wheel 20:30 < Subdino> +n 20:30 < BleuLlama> or idkfa 20:30 < Subdino> :) 20:30 < Subdino> idbeholdl 20:32 < Subdino> (or was it only in the second ?) 20:33 < imphasing> Woo, my new 5G is here. 20:33 < imphasing> :D 20:33 < imphasing> It's so sexy looking. 20:35 < BleuLlama> dnkroz 20:35 < BleuLlama> rambo 20:35 < BleuLlama> etc. 20:36 < Subdino> ah, I remember dnkrow, but not the effect 20:36 < Subdino> but that was for duke, not for doom :) 20:36 < BleuLlama> yep 20:37 < Subdino> there was idmap (optionally twice) 20:37 < Subdino> ah, if only there were a bluetooth controler in ipods... 20:38 < Subdino> mouse, keyboard, camera, internet... 20:39 < Subdino> is it technicaly possible to make the usb link a TTY ? 20:39 < josh_> technically possible, yes 20:39 < josh_> also hard. 20:39 * Subdino doesn't remeber if usb is master/slave 20:40 < Subdino> I think so 20:40 < Subdino> hi josh_ 20:40 < josh_> hi Subdino 20:41 < Subdino> have you had time to read my last patches ? 20:42 < Kingstone> josh, is it possible to use iPL bootloader and instead of loading the linux firmware, load a 2nd apple firmware? 20:42 < Kingstone> it is i think.. 20:43 < BleuLlama> Kingstone: should be, yes 20:43 < Subdino> I have made some other changes locally, but I don't know if they can make interesting patches : don't parse args when build for ipod - except log file, lower battery poll period to 1 minute max, disable menu arrow blink 20:43 < Kingstone> the bootloader loads from file or from within the partition? 20:44 < BleuLlama> disable menu arrow blink? 20:44 < Subdino> the ">" 20:44 < BleuLlama> ipodloader uses within the partition, ipodloader2 can boot from files 20:44 < BleuLlama> i know. why? 20:45 < coob> so the lcd doesn't need to update 20:45 < coob> saving cycles. 20:45 < Subdino> that's my idea 20:45 < BleuLlama> 4 frames a second is a lot? 20:45 -!- tarpman [i=tarpman@d64-180-41-36.bchsia.telus.net] has quit ["*poof*"] 20:46 < Subdino> on a 10 hours ideal autonomy, I think so 20:46 < Subdino> and I don't think ppl sped much time looking at their ipod to see things blink :) 20:46 < Subdino> spend* 20:46 < Subdino> it was in an attemp to see what was slowing down the menu 20:46 < BleuLlama> you might also want to use a white color scheme, since that uses less power to drive the pixels. 20:47 < Subdino> that's why I don't plan to make it a patch 20:47 < Subdino> lcd power consumption is not that important :) 20:47 < BleuLlama> neither is 4 extra screen updates per second. that's all i'm saying 20:48 < Subdino> iirc, what consumes power is to move the pixels, not to keep them in position (not sure though) 20:48 < Subdino> possible 20:48 < josh_> LCDs draw ridiculously low amounts of power anyway (except for the backlight) 20:49 < coob> its not the lcd 20:49 < josh_> so stop worrying about it 20:49 < coob> its the fact the cpu can't sleep. 20:49 < coob> which it can't anyway for other reasons atm 20:49 < Subdino> ah ? busy loop ? :/ 20:49 < coob> polling of various things 20:49 < Subdino> or just no way to lower the frequency ? 20:50 < Subdino> ok 20:51 * BleuLlama considers just removing the battery update/icon/graphic from the header (as an appaearance option) 20:51 -!- oldschhool [n=customer@d47-69-36-91.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #iPodLinux 20:51 < josh_> or make it update once a minute... 20:52 < BleuLlama> hrm. perhaps i should work on my header utility widget idea 20:52 < josh_> which is? 20:52 < oldschhool> hello 20:52 < BleuLlama> widgets in modules, selectable as to which you run, and which side of the header they appear on 20:53 < Subdino> josh_: I think this is a good idea 20:53 < oldschhool> hey josh, they povray thing you uplaoded cant be extracted, winrar said it had no archives 20:53 < Subdino> the battery doesn't change fast enough to be noticeable for a second to another significantly 20:53 < coob> thats sort of implimented but not working already inst it? 20:53 -!- drakethegreat [n=drake@24.22.243.85] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:53 < BleuLlama> coob: me? 20:53 < coob> oldschhool: you cannot seriously want to run povray on your ipod. 20:54 < coob> BleuLlama: yes. 20:54 < coob> grep icon or something :/ 20:54 < BleuLlama> not really, it's all pretty much hardcoded in header.c or wherever it is 20:54 < BleuLlama> yes, the icons themselves are graphic objects 20:54 -!- drakethegreat [n=drake@24.22.243.85] has joined #ipodlinux 20:54 < josh_> oldschhool: that was a joke. 20:54 < oldschhool> ha 20:54 < oldschhool> ha 20:54 < josh_> (it's actually povray though, it's just so slow as to be useless) 20:54 < josh_> apparently winzip sucks. 20:55 < BleuLlama> but, it'd be nice to say, inlcude the "load average" module, and have it draw the load average on the right side 20:55 < BleuLlama> etc. 20:55 < BleuLlama> or disable all utility icons, altogether 20:55 < BleuLlama> or set the update rate on them, etc. 20:55 < oldschhool> oh ok, about the whole side app, I going through my other ideas to see if they are any good, but now with the engine idea out of my head, I think it is time to start the app 20:56 < Subdino> BleuLlama: btw, hot o read that load average icon ? 20:56 < Subdino> how to* 20:56 * Subdino is freezing 20:56 < BleuLlama> yes 20:56 * BleuLlama shrugs 20:57 < oldschhool> by the way josh, have you got the file that acess the ipod 20:57 < oldschhool> as a raw device? 20:57 -!- linuxstb_ [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:58 -!- bluey [n=bluey@dslb-084-059-073-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:01 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:01 -!- linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb 21:02 < bluey> is there a precompiled version of ipodloader? 21:02 < Subdino> what is the point of giving ttk_new_slider_widget a pointer to the value it depends on if it needs to be updated explicitelly by ttk_slider_set_val ? 21:02 < BleuLlama> linuxstb: what kinds of tweaks did you do to get 42fps on a 5g? 21:03 < linuxstb> I've discovered that you don't need to keep writing out the address to 0x30010000 - you just need to write the address there once, and you can make multiple writes. 21:04 < BleuLlama> it autoincrements the address for you? 21:04 < linuxstb> Plus the obvious optimisations to the C code to make it more efficient. 21:04 < linuxstb> Yes. 21:04 < BleuLlama> nice 21:04 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:04 < linuxstb> That's normal in LCD drivers, so I thought I would try it, and it worked. 21:04 < BleuLlama> heh. very cool 21:04 < Subdino> any chance to see the same trick apply to other models ? 21:05 < linuxstb> I'm about to commit my changes to the Rockbox CVS, so you can see it. 21:09 < linuxstb> It's now in CVS, you can view it here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/drivers/lcd-ipodvideo.c 21:10 -!- oldschhool [n=customer@d47-69-36-91.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:13 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:16 < imphasing> Arg...I can't get gtkpod to compile from CVS.. 21:21 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 21:23 -!- lucaas [n=LMX@h81n8c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:29 < imphasing> josh_: Is there a relatively easy way to build gtkpod? 21:29 -!- [GOE]The_Jack_of [n=Jack_Jac@katy-adsl-66-170-203-239.consolidated.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:29 < imphasing> I can build, and make install libgpod 21:29 < imphasing> but when I try to compile gtkpod, it says it can't find libgpod 21:30 < imphasing> when it said it installed to /usr/local/lib 21:30 < [GOE]The_Jack_of> ok i installed ipodlinux and i cant see anything and i followed the guide thing with the clicks but its not working 21:31 -!- piratePenguin [n=piratepe@83.137.61.66] has joined #ipodlinux 21:31 -!- [GOE]The_Jack_of is now known as The_Jack_of 21:31 -!- The_Jack_of is now known as The_Jack_of_Club 21:31 < The_Jack_of_Club> hmm 21:32 -!- The_Jack_of_Club is now known as TheJackofClubs 21:37 < TheJackofClubs> anybody know how many clicks i should hear? 21:37 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:39 < BleuLlama> there we go. i heavily stripped down podzilla that just will launch apps. perfect. :D 21:39 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:40 < josh_> 12:57 < oldschhoo> by the way josh, have you got the file that acess the ipod 21:40 < josh_> 12:57 < oldschhoo> as a raw device? 21:40 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:40 < josh_> oldschhool: yes, svn tools/rawpod 21:40 < josh_> er, he left. 21:40 < aegray> access it as a raw device? 21:40 < aegray> how do you mean? 21:40 < BleuLlama> uncooked 21:40 < BleuLlama> duh 21:40 < aegray> ah 21:41 -!- Subdino_ [n=vincent@ALille-251-1-113-225.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 21:41 < BleuLlama> my etc/rc now runs "BleuLlauncher" as its last thingy. :D 21:41 < BHSPitLappy2> josh_: isn't iplbot supposed to give you the heads-up when that happens? 21:41 < josh_> yes. 21:46 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has joined #ipodlinux 21:47 < imphasing> Heh...BleuLauncher.. 21:47 < imphasing> er.. 21:47 < imphasing> Llauncher. 21:47 < imphasing> :P 21:49 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:50 -!- TheJackofClubs [n=Jack_Jac@katy-adsl-66-170-203-239.consolidated.net] has quit ["BAH!!"] 21:51 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-bb-occam-3-ws-79.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:52 -!- Shadowarrior13 [i=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:54 -!- Subdino [n=vincent@ALille-251-1-21-14.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:54 < BleuLlama> i was gonna make it dynamic, and read from a conf file what to put in the menu, but a simple rebuild is easy enough for me. ;) 21:54 * BHSPitLappy2 is lost as to what all this is about 21:54 -!- BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy 21:55 < josh_> BHSPitLappy: rockbox folks got 42+fps on the 5g :-) 21:55 * BleuLlama playing with ipl again on *ACTUAL HARDWARE* 21:55 < BleuLlama> and what josh_ said 21:55 < BHSPitLappy> josh_: again, i must call my gullibility into question here... 21:55 < BHSPitLappy> :P 21:55 < Shadowarrior13> Which still won't fucking work for me, because god hates me. 21:55 * BHSPitLappy runs to their site 21:55 < bluey> is there a precompiled version of iploader2 ? 21:55 < BHSPitLappy> holy shiza! it's true! 21:55 < BHSPitLappy> josh_: have we adopted said changes? 21:56 < josh_> BHSPitLappy: nyet, it just got into their cvs 21:56 < BHSPitLappy> that's amazing. 21:56 < BHSPitLappy> so many people are indebted to them now :P 21:56 < Shadowarrior13> Pwn. 21:56 < Shadowarrior13> Is this a step closer to ipl 5G? 21:57 < BHSPitLappy> definitely 21:57 < Shadowarrior13> Yay 21:57 < Shadowarrior13> WHO WANTS A LAP DANCE 21:57 < Shadowarrior13> On the house. 21:57 * aegray 21:57 * BHSPitLappy 21:57 < Shadowarrior13> XD 21:57 < BHSPitLappy> damn you, aegray 21:59 -!- lucaas [n=LMX@h81n8c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:01 -!- Subdino [n=vincent@ALille-251-1-105-168.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 22:01 < Subdino> what's the reason of the timeout in C_lcd_wait_write ? 22:01 < aegray> to avoid deadlocks 22:02 < BHSPitLappy> LCD fluid seeping out of the sides of the screen 22:02 < Subdino> why would there be any ? (any doc on the used addresses ?) 22:02 < aegray> not sure - but there must be something like the max time it takes is that much 22:03 < Subdino> 1000 usec 22:03 < aegray> thats what it looks like in apples draw functions so we just copied it 22:03 < aegray> 0x3ef or something 22:03 < Subdino> ok 22:03 < BleuLlama> hrm. this is messed. if i launch the program via the file browser, it works, but just calling new_exec_window( ... ) doesn't 22:04 < Subdino> aegray: I just tried on my 4G without any timeout, just works 22:04 < Subdino> and then the function can be inlined 22:04 < aegray> i think its a hardware fallback 22:05 < aegray> incase something messes up 22:05 < aegray> but i dunno 22:05 * aegray studies 22:05 < Subdino> :) 22:05 -!- JoyFM [n=johannes@dslc-213-023-175-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:05 < Subdino> inline void C_lcd_wait_write(void) { while ((inl(0x70008A0C) & 0x80000000) != 0); } 22:05 < Subdino> I was first trying to improve the way timeout was handled 22:06 < Subdino> the function couting elapsed time is useless, I think 22:06 < Subdino> if you calculate the end time as you get the current time 22:06 < Subdino> then you just have to get current time and compare it to end time 22:07 < Subdino> that's one less function :) (and all the function call & return that might be generated unless gcc is smart enough) 22:07 < Subdino> C_timer_get_current can be inlined too 22:07 < Subdino> want a patch for that ? 22:08 < aegray> no just remind me and i'll do it 22:08 < Subdino> and the time counter is just int, not unsigned long as in the inl() definition 22:09 < aegray> its unsigned 22:09 < aegray> long = int = 32 bits 22:09 < Subdino> ok 22:09 < Subdino> so that arch is 32 bits ? 22:09 < aegray> yea 22:09 < Subdino> oh, that gives me another improvement idea 22:10 < Subdino> inl(0x70008A0C) & 0x80000000) != 0 <==> inl(0x70008A0C) < 0 22:10 * Subdino likes to grab some more CPU cycles 22:10 < Subdino> even when it's meaningless :] 22:10 < aegray> how does that help? 22:10 < Subdino> maybe more when it's meaningless 22:11 < aegray> erm 22:11 < aegray> nm 22:11 < Subdino> :) 22:12 -!- Subdino_ [n=vincent@ALille-251-1-113-225.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:12 < BHSPitLappy> does the rockbox progress open up anything other than just the lcd write time? 22:12 < aegray> no that still does nothing 22:12 < aegray> TST r0, #0x80000000 22:12 < aegray> is completely valid afaik 22:13 < Subdino> I don't know the ipod ASM 22:13 < Subdino> and I don't know if gcc is smart enough to convert "inl(0x70008A0C) & 0x80000000) != 0" to "is the most significant bit set ?" 22:14 < coob> well, i'm sure gcc would appreciate correct syntax first. 22:14 < Subdino> ? 22:14 < aegray> haha 22:15 < Subdino> yeah, add a ( at the beginig 22:16 < Subdino> wasn't in the selection 22:18 < Subdino> aegray: what did you mean by "it's unsigned" ? 22:18 < Subdino> int or the return type of inl ? 22:18 < Subdino> I know the second is 22:18 < Subdino> I doubtthe first is by default 22:19 -!- do_me_nice [n=do_me_ni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3675405.sympatico.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 22:20 < aegray> yea i just mean that what timer_get_current returns should be an unsigned value 22:20 < aegray> because the rtc is unsigned 22:20 < Subdino> ok 22:21 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit ["und weg"] 22:21 < Subdino> I didn't know the lcd controler was reverse engineered. Nice work. 22:22 -!- sw13 [i=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:23 < BHSPitLappy> "nice work"@rockbox 22:23 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Success] 22:23 -!- bushblowz [n=knoppix@nphloh-terayon1-69-165-50-227.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has quit [Success] 22:23 -!- bushblowz [n=knoppix@nphloh-terayon1-69-165-50-227.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:23 -!- Nappers [n=Nappers@xp000690.massey.ac.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 22:25 * aegray afk 22:31 -!- nordik [n=gnaughto@hydra.psychology.uiowa.edu] has quit ["[BX] Time wasted: 6 days 4 hours 52 minutes 44 seconds 37 milliseconds"] 22:32 -!- imphasing_ [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:34 < Subdino> static unsigned long lcd_base [...] if (lcd_base < 0) 22:34 < Subdino> :/ 22:35 < Subdino> how could this work (because it does...) 22:35 -!- bluey [n=bluey@dslb-084-059-073-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:36 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:38 -!- tarpman [i=tarpman@d64-180-41-36.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:40 -!- Shadowarrior13 [i=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:42 -!- sw13 is now known as Shadowarrior13 22:47 < imphasing_> Woo, rockbox on the 5G. 22:47 < imphasing_> Fast.... 22:47 < imphasing_> :D 22:47 < Shadowarrior13> I despise you. 22:47 < Shadowarrior13> What did you do that I didn't? 22:48 < imphasing_> how far do you get? 22:48 < Shadowarrior13> rbx starts to load up, and it goes straight to a frtozen usb logo. 22:48 < Shadowarrior13> frozen* 22:48 < imphasing_> =/ 22:48 < imphasing_> to #rockbox 22:48 < Shadowarrior13> >.< 22:49 -!- Nappers [n=Nappers@xp000690.massey.ac.nz] has quit ["tic... tic... tic... BOOM!!"] 22:50 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:51 -!- Luke [n=Luke@66.103.97.34] has joined #ipodlinux 22:52 -!- Nappers [n=Nappers@xp000690.massey.ac.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 23:02 -!- linuxstb_ [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:02 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:05 < BHSPitLappy> I wonder who's gonna be the lucky first person to play doom on a 5G :P 23:05 < Shadowarrior13> lol 23:05 < Shadowarrior13> I'll envy them 23:06 < imphasing_> Eh.. 23:06 < imphasing_> Doom is all hyped up. 23:06 < Shadowarrior13> doom is teh leet 23:06 < imphasing_> ew. 23:10 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 23:11 * Subdino wonders what carmac thinks of doom runing on ipod 23:12 < BHSPitLappy> who? 23:13 < Subdino> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carmack 23:14 < Subdino> Mr ID Software, Mr Doom 1 & 2 & 3 (and more) 23:15 < BHSPitLappy> ok 23:15 < imphasing_> He's such a nerd. 23:15 < BHSPitLappy> I'm sure he's not surprised / cares 23:15 < Subdino> :) 23:15 * BHSPitLappy points out that imphasing_ is in #ipodlinux 23:15 < Subdino> I'm not that sure 23:15 < imphasing_> Oh yeah.. 23:15 < Subdino> haha 23:15 < imphasing_> D'oh. 23:15 < Shadowarrior13> Hehehe 23:16 < Subdino> maybe he said that as a compliment :) 23:16 < Subdino> or some admirative whisper 23:19 -!- erus` [n=tom@ACD8C5CB.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:23 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@S01060050da742a74.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:23 -!- Cillian_ [n=cillian@host86-136-252-144.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:28 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #iPodLinux 23:31 -!- G2_vincent [n=ingenieu@bdv75-4-82-226-115-162.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:32 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:35 -!- linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb 23:37 -!- Subdino [n=vincent@ALille-251-1-105-168.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:39 -!- obsrv [n=obsrv@77-18-149.elekta.lt] has joined #ipodlinux 23:40 < obsrv> hello :) I have trouble connecting to my iPod. The cable is damaged a little, but when I plug in iPod into usb it charges the battery, so is it possible to access ipod memory? 23:40 < obsrv> to mount it or smth 23:41 < obsrv> cat /proc/scsi/scsi doesn't show my iPod connected 23:41 < obsrv> iPod nano here 23:42 < coob> does it work on another machine with a different os? 23:42 < coob> it depends how the cable is damaged. 23:42 < coob> also, did it work before. 23:42 < obsrv> I dont know. I got it today 23:42 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:43 < obsrv> and I can't connect it. Person which I got ipod from haven't tried to connect it too 23:43 < coob> well, maybe you dont have the right kernel configuration. try it under a different os. 23:43 < obsrv> I also have a laptop, but it has the same OS 23:43 < obsrv> Gentoo Linux 23:43 < obsrv> maybe I should try Ubuntu LiveCD? 23:46 -!- erus` [n=tom@ACD8C5CB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux --- Log closed Thu Feb 16 00:00:00 2006