--- Log opened Sun Jan 29 00:00:01 2006 00:00 -!- danalien [n=danalien@unaffiliated/danalien] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:02 < Paltsu> "../linux-2.4.24/arch/armnommu/boot/Image" "with the path to a decompressed kernel binary." where do put the path? 00:02 < aegray> where are you reading this? 00:02 < Paltsu> http://ipodlinux.org/Updating_kernel 00:03 < aegray> get a nightly 00:03 < aegray> and instead of that path, put in the path to wherever your nightly is 00:04 < Paltsu> why nightly? 00:05 < Paltsu> because thats in a finish line :D 00:08 -!- veteran [n=veteran@67.10.166.79] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:10 < Paltsu> aegray, im trying to update my kernel, so why nightly? 00:11 < aegray> nightly = nightly build of kernel 00:11 < Zol> aegray, if i want pz2 on my ipod, do i have to build it? 00:11 < aegray> most recent 00:11 < aegray> probably 00:11 < aegray> erm 00:11 < aegray> there are nightlies for that too 00:11 < aegray> `podzilla 00:11 < iplbot> podzilla is the most common (and only officially supported) GUI for ipodlinux [from aegray] 00:11 < aegray> `wiki podzilla 00:11 < iplbot> podzilla (http://www.ipodlinux.org/podzilla) [19608 bytes] 00:11 < Zol> yes read that 00:11 < Zol> and i just install the uclinux on the ipod as i would exactly with pz0 00:12 < Zol> and i add the new podzilla, fonts and modules? 00:12 < Zol> and a minix-sh? 00:14 < aegray> not sure 00:14 < imphasing> read the tutorial I wrote 00:14 < imphasing> called "installing pz2" 00:14 < imphasing> search or it on the forums 00:14 < Zol> kk ^_^ 00:16 < Zol> was it the same one as the one i saw a month ago? 00:16 < imphasing> (0xf0 & 0xe1) >> 4 should be 0x1, right? 00:16 < imphasing> it might be. 00:16 < Zol> note: i have windows 00:17 < aegray> 0xf0 & 0xe1 = 0xe0 00:17 < aegray> 0xe0 >> 4 = 0e 00:17 < aegray> 0xe 00:19 -!- OC-enxy [i=eNxy@cpc1-glfd3-0-0-cust925.glfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 00:19 < imphasing> oof.. 00:19 < imphasing> of just 0xf0 & 0xe1 == 0x1 00:19 < aegray> what? 00:19 < aegray> 0xf0 & 0xe1 = 0xe0 00:20 < aegray> 0xf & 0xe1 = 0x1 00:20 < imphasing> 0xf0 & 0xe1 = 0x1 00:20 < imphasing> ah 00:20 < imphasing> right, cool 00:20 < Zol> do i need a new userland or any of that crap to make the linux client for pz2? 00:21 < Zol> it came with a loader.bin and a make_fw 00:21 < aegray> should just need the bin 00:21 < Zol> i'm on windows so i'm going to use the installer =p 00:21 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: did you get my feedback on your iboy i tested? :P 00:21 < aegray> no 00:21 < aegray> what was it 00:22 < BHSPitLappy> "it... ALMOST works..." 00:22 < BHSPitLappy> i'll have to take a picture 00:22 < aegray> k 00:22 < BHSPitLappy> but pixels were moving 00:22 < BHSPitLappy> I have a handful of testing roms 00:22 < aegray> anything slightly visible/ 00:22 < aegray> ?* 00:22 < BHSPitLappy> the lines were spread out weird, let me photograph it 00:23 < BHSPitLappy> dunno how to decribe it 00:23 < aegray> k 00:26 < BHSPitLappy> k, i just recorded a couple-seconds-long video and took a pic 00:26 < imphasing> Are switch statements inside switch statements inefficient? 00:26 < aegray> i don't see why you'd need it but probably not 00:27 < BHSPitLappy> http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/384/picture213hf.jpg <-- aegray 00:27 < BHSPitLappy> (well, the PICTURE isn't aegray... bleh) 00:28 < aegray> weird 00:28 < BHSPitLappy> and those lines you can see, there is definitely a lot of movement in them 00:28 < BHSPitLappy> it's not frozen or anything 00:28 < aegray> k 00:28 < BHSPitLappy> I don't know how to exit without rebooting... 00:29 < aegray> the normal way 00:29 < BHSPitLappy> umm 00:29 < BHSPitLappy> how's that 00:29 < aegray> i dunno :P 00:29 < BHSPitLappy> heh k 00:30 < spazzium> BHSPitLappy: you talking about iBoy? 00:30 < BHSPitLappy> yup 00:30 < spazzium> exit with menu followed by select 00:30 < BHSPitLappy> i'll give it a try next time. 00:31 < spazzium> holy webcam BHSPitLappy 00:31 < BHSPitLappy> uh huh 00:31 < BHSPitLappy> logitech quickcam express... 00:32 < spazzium> awesome 00:32 * BHSPitLappy has DIGITAL CAMERA on his birthay present list for this year... 00:32 < BHSPitLappy> well, that IS the list :P 00:34 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:35 < imphasing> Hah, I think my core is turing complete.. 00:36 < imphasing> Well, not quite.. 00:37 < BHSPitLappy> is a StrongARM processor waay different than the arch in an ipod? 00:37 < imphasing> http://pastebin.com/528111 #I'm using a stacked switch statement on line 48.. 00:37 < imphasing> There's probably a better way though. 00:37 < imphasing> core->memory is a complete BX instruction 00:38 < imphasing> and I have the register it points to set to the first part of the memory, so it keeps looping 00:38 < imphasing> becuase it BXs to the same spot over and over 00:38 < BHSPitLappy> when you're looking for potential apps to port, what main things does one check to see that they have in common? 00:40 < josh_> BHSPitLappy: no extravagant input reqs, few library dependencies, no fork() dependence, no threads 00:40 < BHSPitLappy> what about arch, things of that nature? 00:40 < josh_> hrm? 00:40 < josh_> arch in what sense? 00:41 < BHSPitLappy> like, how arm comes in to play? 00:41 < josh_> the revision control system? the processor architecture it's designed for? the general design of the app? 00:41 < josh_> ah 00:41 < josh_> arm is a 32-bit little-endian processor 00:41 < josh_> just like x86 00:41 < josh_> so you probably won't run into any problems there, unless stuff uses inline asm or something 00:41 < aegray> that is so ugly 00:41 < josh_> what? 00:41 < aegray> http://pastebin.com/528111 00:41 < josh_> ah. 00:41 < josh_> imphasing: ^ 00:42 < BHSPitLappy> like, would an app made to run on pocketpc's have a possibility of being targets? 00:42 * aegray wipes his eyes 00:42 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:42 < josh_> BHSPitLappy: if source is available, I suppose so 00:42 < aegray> BHSPitLappy: yes 00:42 < BHSPitLappy> my dell axim has a StrongARM processor 00:42 < BHSPitLappy> ok 00:42 < josh_> though it'd be *much* easier to port something designed for *nix 00:42 * aegray uses strongarm libs 00:42 < BHSPitLappy> yeah 00:42 < BHSPitLappy> i know 00:42 < BHSPitLappy> and I haven't looked into Familiar too much yet... (the distro, not the scheme :P ) 00:42 * aegray picks up his hellhole of an apartment 00:43 < aegray> aaaaaaaaghhh its hidious 00:43 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: wear blinders and pay no attention 00:43 < aegray> aparently i made pizza last night 00:43 < aegray> hahahahha 00:43 < aegray> part of it seems to be on the floor 00:44 < imphasing> aegray: That code makes my head hurt 00:44 < imphasing> Is that a better way of doing it? 00:44 < josh_> imphasing: it makes my head hurt too 00:44 < aegray> look at how emuriver does it 00:44 < imphasing> erm 00:44 < imphasing> I made it better 00:44 < aegray> theres a function wich returns if a condition is true 00:44 < aegray> and instead of having shifts all over the place, 00:44 < aegray> use a macro 00:44 < aegray> like emuriver does 00:44 < imphasing> http://pastebin.com/528124 00:44 < aegray> bits(3,4,5) 00:44 < imphasing> oooh.. 00:44 < imphasing> Yeah, good idea 00:45 < imphasing> As it is right there, that will only jmp to the location if it encounters a genuine BX instruction 00:45 < imphasing> I'm fairly sure. 00:48 < Zol> imphasing, i've encountered a chicken and egg problem in installing pz2 from windows =p 00:49 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:49 < aegray> josh_: is source up for installer? 00:49 < josh_> yep, svn tools/installer 00:49 < imphasing> Woot, it really does work.. 00:49 < Zol> i need a sash.conf to run start, but i need start to run so it can move sash.conf into /etc/ 00:49 < aegray> k 00:49 < imphasing> I can write a "program" that BXs all over the place 00:49 < aegray> hrm 00:49 < aegray> usefull 00:50 < aegray> hehe 00:50 < josh_> however, you can't load the addrs into regs yet, so that's not very useful. 00:50 < imphasing> Well, true. 00:50 < josh_> also, remember that the actual instruction being executed is always at (PC-8) 00:50 < imphasing> I have to do that by hand. 00:50 < josh_> not at PC 00:50 < imphasing> PC-8? 00:50 < imphasing> What is that? 00:50 * aegray wants something with the actual pipeline stages 00:50 < josh_> the value of register PC (r15), minus 8 00:50 < imphasing> oh.. 00:50 < aegray> pipeline! 00:50 < aegray> :) 00:50 < imphasing> A register can't hold all 32 bits though, can it? 00:50 < josh_> um... yeah, it can. 00:51 < imphasing> I thought it was only one byte.. 00:51 < aegray> 32 bit proc = 32 bit registers... 00:51 < aegray> no 00:51 < imphasing> ah 00:51 < josh_> % find imphasing -name '*clue*' 00:51 < josh_> % 00:51 < imphasing> heh 00:51 < josh_> (j/k) 00:51 < imphasing> So it loads the instruction form memory, then to a register, then it executes it? 00:51 < aegray> aegray@localhost ~ $ find imphasing -name '*clue*' 00:51 < aegray> find: imphasing: No such file or directory 00:51 < imphasing> hahaha 00:52 < josh_> haha 00:52 < aegray> doesn't load instruction to register 00:52 < aegray> well - kinda 00:52 < aegray> not a usable register like rx 00:52 < aegray> something internal 00:52 < imphasing> one of the reserved things? 00:52 < aegray> it fetches the instruction into the processor -> decodes it -> executes it 00:53 < aegray> it doesn't stick it in a register 00:53 < imphasing> ah 00:53 < aegray> "south park is gay" 00:53 < aegray> hahahah 00:53 < imphasing> Why store the instruction being executed in PC-8 then? 00:53 < aegray> imphasing: read about pipelines 00:53 < josh_> it's not stored in PC - 8 00:53 < aegray> there are 3 stages executing at once 00:53 < josh_> its address is at PC - 8 00:53 < aegray> fetch, decode, and execute 00:53 < josh_> er, its address *is* PC - 8 00:53 < aegray> fetch fetches the instruction at pc 00:54 < aegray> decode decodes the instruction from the last fetch stage 00:54 < aegray> and execute executes the instruction from the last decode stage 00:54 < aegray> so by the time it gets to the decode stage, 00:54 < aegray> the actual instruction being executed is the one at pc-8 00:54 < imphasing> ah.. 00:54 < aegray> because the current fetch stage is fetching the one at pc 00:54 < aegray> and decode is decoding at pc-4 00:55 < imphasing> But I don't need to worry about the decoding stage 00:55 < josh_> no you don't, but apps expect the currently executing instr to be the one at PC - 8 00:55 < imphasing> ok 00:55 < josh_> for example, jump tables use that quite heavily - it's rather handy in fact 00:55 < josh_> because you can do, e.g. 00:55 < josh_> MOV LR, PC 00:55 < josh_> B someproc 00:55 < josh_> and LR will point to right after the B 00:55 < rmh3093> aegray: on the firmware page it says the the firware version is 32bit but this resource editor i am playing with says for the 5g Image Version: 0xb002, im not sure what to convert this to 00:56 < imphasing> PC is always the 15th register? 00:56 < rmh3093> it should be something like 13.6.1 00:56 < josh_> imphasing: yep, r15 00:56 < imphasing> ok 00:57 < imphasing> so PC-8 would be the last 24 bits of the instruction? 00:57 < imphasing> =/ 00:57 < josh_> no. 8 is 8 *bytes*. 00:57 < imphasing> ooh.. 00:58 < imphasing> but a register can't even hold 8 bytes.. 00:58 < josh_> IT'S A POINTER. 00:58 < imphasing> A pointer to where the instruction is in memory? 00:58 < josh_> yep 00:58 < imphasing> ok, cool 00:58 < josh_> *(uint32 *)PC is the instr currently being fetched 00:59 < josh_> *(uint32 *)(PC - 4) is the instr currently being decoded, and 00:59 < josh_> *(uint32 *)(PC - 8) is the instr currently being executed 00:59 < josh_> except you'll want to translate that into your memory array 00:59 < aegray> rmh3093: hardware version 0xb0 something 00:59 < imphasing> right 00:59 < josh_> sorry for the SHOUTING earlier 00:59 < imphasing> ALL IS FORGIVEN 01:00 < josh_> OKAY :-) 01:00 < imphasing> YAY 01:00 -!- BHSPitMonkey [i=Steve-O@67.64.118.242] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:00 < imphasing> Erm.. 01:01 < imphasing> PC - 8 would be 8 bytes before the instruction that was just fetched frm memory.. 01:01 < aegray> yes.... 01:01 < imphasing> which would be a different instruction.. 01:01 < aegray> each instruction is 4 ytes 01:01 < aegray> bytes* 01:01 < aegray> yes 01:01 < imphasing> ooh 01:01 < imphasing> So it's doing 3 things at once 01:01 < aegray> yes 01:02 < rmh3093> aegray: well 0xb002 = 45058 definately not close to something i could reconize 01:02 < imphasing> fetching one, while it's decoding the last, and executed that one it just decoded 01:02 < aegray> firmware version 13.6 01:02 < aegray> 0xb is the actual hardware version 01:02 < rmh3093> ohhh 01:02 < josh_> imphasing: yep 01:03 < imphasing> So programs are going to be looking at PC -8 to see what's happening? 01:03 < rmh3093> can the firware version be parsed from the bin or extracted as a resource 01:03 < aegray> yes 01:03 < aegray> rmh3093: not sure 01:03 < aegray> what are you trying to do? 01:04 < imphasing> What instruction is usually used before BX to put a value into a register? 01:04 < josh_> imphasing: LDR 01:04 < josh_> (that's the load-from-memory instr) 01:04 < josh_> since for most addresses, all 32 bits matter 01:04 < imphasing> Is that a "single data swap"? 01:05 < josh_> and you can't fit a 32-bit immediate in a 32-bit instruction :-) 01:05 < aegray> thats a load 01:05 < rmh3093> im using ipodedit to make a iPL installer for linux, ipodedit will extract the firmware but I was to be able to select a firware based on its version so that someone could select the 1g or mini or 5g image 01:06 < rmh3093> so ipodedit rips out all the images 01:06 < imphasing> So the actual asm code to load an address into, say, r2, would be like LDR r2,0x345? 01:06 < rmh3093> then you can use it to parse each image for info about it 01:06 < imphasing> which would load 0x345 into r2 01:06 < josh_> imphasing: no 01:06 < josh_> it would be like 01:06 < josh_> LDR r2, =0x12345678 01:06 < josh_> the assembler would change that to something like 01:06 < rmh3093> i wanted to use that info to make an installer 01:07 < rmh3093> something integrated with make_fw 01:07 < josh_> LDR r2, [pc, #80] 01:07 < josh_> [84 bytes later] 01:07 < imphasing> ah.. 01:07 < josh_> .long 0x12345678 01:07 < rmh3093> it also allows one to update the firmware via linux 01:07 < josh_> the immediates are generally put between functions 01:07 < josh_> however, for small values like 0x345 you can just use a MOV 01:08 < imphasing> hmm 01:08 < josh_> actually, I'm not sure 0x345 is small enough... I seem to remember the limit being 10 bits (0x3FF) but I might be wrong. 01:08 < imphasing> I wonder what the opcode for an LDR looks like 01:08 < imphasing> would that be a "block data transfer"? 01:08 < josh_> nope 01:08 < josh_> block data transfer is like 01:09 < josh_> STMDB sp!, {r4, lr} 01:09 < josh_> LDMIA sp!, {r4, pc} 01:09 < josh_> (usually you see something like that STMDB at the beginning of a function and something like that LDMIA at the end) 01:09 < imphasing> ah.. 01:11 < imphasing> When you LDR an address to BX to, do you load a whole word? 01:11 < josh_> usually 01:11 < josh_> but you don't have to, if you don't want to impl that yet 01:11 < josh_> you could easily do 01:11 < josh_> MOV r1, #0 01:11 < josh_> MOV r0, 01:11 < imphasing> ooh.. 01:12 < josh_> ORR r1, r1, r0, lsl #0 01:12 < josh_> MOV r0, 01:12 < josh_> ORR r1, r1, r0, lsl #8 01:12 < josh_> MOV r0, 01:12 < josh_> ORR r1, r1, r0, lsl #16 01:12 < imphasing> MOV r1, #0 would more a 0 into r1? 01:12 < josh_> yep 01:12 < imphasing> MOV only does a byte at a time? 01:12 < josh_> actually, I think you could do it with just four ORRs 01:12 -!- kashi [n=KK@227.179.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 01:12 < josh_> immediates are limited to like 0x3FF I think 01:13 < josh_> there's just not room in a 32-bit instruction for a 32-bit immediate 01:13 < imphasing> huh, MOV is a 16 bit instruction.. 01:13 < josh_> on, it's not 01:13 < josh_> *no 01:13 < josh_> are you looking at the Thumb instrs? 01:13 < imphasing> Yeah 01:13 < josh_> don't. 01:13 < imphasing> There's a 32 bit mov too? 01:13 < josh_> Thumb is basically a completely different architecture that happens to live on the same chip 01:13 < imphasing> heh 01:13 < imphasing> ok 01:13 < josh_> ARM has no 16-bit instructions. 01:14 < imphasing> ah, ok 01:14 < imphasing> MOV{cond}{S} Rd, 01:14 < imphasing> What's {S}? 01:15 < josh_> either "S" or nothing 01:15 < josh_> S means set the flags (Z and the sign flag) according to the result 01:15 < imphasing> ah 01:15 < imphasing> So MOV is "single data transfer"? 01:16 -!- Synapse_ [i=bagheera@beigetower/ElPresidente] has joined #ipodlinux 01:16 < josh_> no 01:16 < josh_> "single data transfer" is LDR, I think 01:16 < imphasing> oh.. 01:17 < imphasing> It must be "Data processing and FSR transfer" then 01:17 < imphasing> because that has an operand field 01:18 < josh_> you're trying to correlate this with the Thumb instrs, right? don't. 01:18 < josh_> they aren't parallel - you can't do the same things with both 01:18 < imphasing> Nope, this is with the ARM ones 01:18 < josh_> hrm, ok 01:18 < josh_> I'd suggest you find a better opcode reference then. 01:18 < imphasing> I'm trying to figure out what the opcode for a MOV looks like 01:18 < imphasing> Yeah, I wouldn't mind that.. 01:18 < imphasing> =/ 01:18 < josh_> easy way to find out 01:19 < imphasing> Really? 01:20 -!- jedix_ [n=jedix@Ottawa-HSE-ppp255916.sympatico.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 01:20 < preglow> the arm7tdmi doc on the arm site has numeric opcode formats listed 01:20 < josh_> 1 sec 01:20 < imphasing> Yeah, that's what I'm looking at now. 01:20 < imphasing> Confusing as hell.. 01:21 < josh_> 0: e3a000ff mov r0, #255 ; 0xff 01:21 < imphasing> It has categories for each time of instruction, and they don't tell which instruction could go in that category. 01:21 < imphasing> wow 01:21 < imphasing> cool 01:21 < imphasing> I think you get up to 12 bits to use for the operand 01:22 < josh_> nope, only 8 01:22 < imphasing> ah. 01:22 < josh_> it chokes on 0x1FF, but 0xFF is ok 01:22 < josh_> however, you can also shift it by a whole number of nybbles 01:22 < imphasing> how did you get that? 01:22 < josh_> so 0x14000000 is ok 01:22 < josh_> % arm-uclinux-elf-as -o foo.o =(echo 'mov r0, #0xFF') 01:23 < josh_> interestingly 01:23 < josh_> 0: e3a008ff mov r0, #16711680 ; 0xff0000 01:23 < imphasing> $ arm-uclinux-elf-as -o foo.o =(echo 'mov r0, #0xFF') 01:23 < imphasing> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' 01:23 < imphasing> =/ 01:23 < josh_> try <( 01:23 < josh_> but you should really get a better shell :-) 01:23 < imphasing> Like what? 01:23 < imphasing> :D 01:23 < josh_> zsh 01:24 < imphasing> interesting.. 01:24 < imphasing> That's like bash? 01:24 < josh_> yep, except better 01:24 < imphasing> $ poldek -i zsh 01:24 < imphasing> :P 01:26 < imphasing> What do I do with the o file? 01:26 < josh_> arm-uclinux-elf-objdump -d foo.o 01:26 < imphasing> ah.. 01:26 -!- jedix [n=jedix@MTL-HSE-ppp174339.qc.sympatico.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:27 < imphasing> Huh, looks like a much easier way to get opcodes 01:27 < imphasing> thanks 01:27 < imphasing> :D 01:27 < BHSPitLappy> wonder what SVGALib is... 01:27 < imphasing> It's a graphics lib for the console 01:28 < imphasing> you can run full graphics games like quake from the console with svgalib 01:28 < imphasing> if they use it 01:28 < BHSPitLappy> should I steer clear of it, looking for potential ports? 01:28 < josh_> we can emulate it easily enough, if we need to 01:28 < imphasing> We can? 01:28 < imphasing> =/ 01:28 < josh_> it's not an overly complex API... 01:29 < Paltsu> where are you guys living? 01:29 < imphasing> cool 01:29 * josh_ Pasadena, CA 01:29 < imphasing> home? 01:29 < BHSPitLappy> Paltsu: earth 01:29 * imphasing Lusby, MD 01:29 * BHSPitLappy International Space Station, Earth's Orbit 01:30 < Paltsu> what time is it at your city/country? 01:30 < imphasing> 8:30 01:30 -!- Synapse [i=bagheera@beigetower/ElPresidente] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:30 < josh_> 17:29 < Paltsu> what time is it at your city/country? 01:30 < josh_> ^^^^^ 01:30 < Paltsu> AM? 01:30 < imphasing> PM 01:30 < Paltsu> damn 01:30 < imphasing> Josh would be in the PM too 01:30 < BHSPitLappy> 19:29 01:30 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing: josh gave a 24-hour time... 01:30 < imphasing> I know. 01:30 < imphasing> That was sarcasm. 01:30 < Paltsu> im getting little dizzy, clock is 3:30 AM 01:30 < imphasing> :P 01:30 < BHSPitLappy> sarcasm failed 01:31 < BHSPitLappy> Paltsu: weak 01:31 < imphasing> Receiver error. 01:31 < BHSPitLappy> i was up till at least 4:30 last night 01:31 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing: delivery error 01:31 < Paltsu> BHSPitLappy, im not just used to stay awake. 01:31 < Paltsu> i have been sleepin' like 6-7 hours at night 01:32 < Paltsu> but with much nicer rhytm, its like 2-5 01:34 < imphasing> Erm..how come 0xe0 corresponds to r14? 01:34 < imphasing> =/ 01:34 < josh_> 0xe = 14 01:35 < josh_> 0x0 = the unused third arg 01:35 < imphasing> hmm 01:35 < imphasing> How am I supposed to know if the instruction wants the 224th register, or the 14th? 01:35 < imphasing> :D 01:36 < imphasing> I guess I don't ever need to parse that nybble 01:36 < imphasing> not ever going to be used in a MOV 01:36 < josh_> there are only 16 regs 01:36 < imphasing> yeah 01:36 < josh_> each one takes up 4 bits in the instr 01:36 < imphasing> So there's unused space.. 01:36 < josh_> so there's no possible way it could be referring to some hypothetical r2243 01:36 < josh_> *r224 01:36 < josh_> yep 01:37 < Paltsu> josh_, what is the highest legal dose of caffein in energy drink (i've been thinking about this years)? 01:38 < josh_> no idea 01:38 < josh_> wikipedia might know 01:38 < Paltsu> damn 01:38 < Paltsu> 'cause heard something very low stats, dunno if it was rumor. 01:39 < Paltsu> *some 01:39 < Paltsu> damn im good with engrish 01:39 < BHSPitLappy> ok, I just gave up on any attempt or aspiration for a NES emu port 01:45 < Paltsu> josh_, do you have red bull? 01:45 < josh_> nope 01:45 < Paltsu> i mean, is it a multi-national label? 01:45 < Paltsu> im not quite sure, what the heck im writing :D 01:45 < josh_> kconfig++; 01:46 < Paltsu> ok ok, i'll stop spamming. 01:47 < imphasing> 0x10 >> 4; should be 0x1, right? 01:47 < josh_> yep 01:47 < imphasing> For some reason I'm getting 16.. 01:47 < josh_> 0x10 is 16 01:47 < imphasing> yeah 01:47 < imphasing> Gah, my code is confusing. 01:48 -!- Zol [n=dsf@S0106004005c40c76.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:52 -!- elinenbe [i=elinenbe@207-237-225-224.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:55 -!- Rexbron [n=chatzill@CPE00045a2e6056-CM014340029408.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:55 -!- Rexbron [n=chatzill@CPE00045a2e6056-CM014340029408.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:55 -!- Tempoe_ [n=tempoe@MMCXCVI.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:57 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:58 -!- tarpman [i=tarpman@d64-180-41-36.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:02 < imphasing> Woot, I can MOV, then BX! 02:02 < imphasing> :D 02:03 < imphasing> 0xe3a00f01 02:03 < imphasing> 0xe12fff1f 02:03 < imphasing> heehee 02:24 < imphasing> Oh man. 02:24 < imphasing> My BX instruction is incomplete. 02:24 < imphasing> I should just use B 02:24 < imphasing> the exchange is supposed to switch to the thumb instruction set.. 02:24 < josh_> no, it's not "supposed to" 02:24 < josh_> it just can 02:25 < josh_> it depends on whether the bottom bit of the address is set or not 02:27 < aegray> huh? 02:28 < imphasing> ah.. 02:28 < aegray> erm 02:28 < imphasing> arm, aegray, we're using arm. 02:29 < aegray> yea i juts forget how thumb mode works 02:29 < aegray> i wouldn't implement that if I were you 02:29 < imphasing> I just ignore it. 02:29 < imphasing> Yeah. 02:32 < imphasing> I didn't knowMOV could be used to branch.. 02:32 < imphasing> MOV PC, Rn 02:33 < imphasing> Moves Rn to PC, which is the instruction it's currently getting? 02:34 < aegray> just sets pc to rn 02:34 < aegray> pc is just a number 02:34 < aegray> that gets 4 added on every cycle 02:34 < imphasing> ah.. 02:34 < BHSPitLappy> so aegray, did you ever make any sense of that iboy mess? 02:35 -!- yuriks [n=yuriks@200.96.85.154] has quit [Client Quit] 02:35 < aegray> not yet 02:35 < BHSPitLappy> coo 02:35 * BHSPitLappy likes the "yet" ;) 02:36 < bholland> in aegray we trust 02:36 < bholland> lol 02:36 < bholland> I have faith in him 02:36 < imphasing> Is the instruction it's executing PC-8, or PC+8? 02:36 < imphasing> =/; 02:36 < josh_> PC-8 02:37 < BHSPitLappy> I have faith in him too :D 02:38 < BHSPitLappy> anyone that could make a nano play videos with such professional ease is indeed a badass 02:39 < aegray> professional ease? my code is ugly + sloppy 02:39 < aegray> don't give me too much credit 02:39 < BHSPitLappy> hehe 02:39 < aegray> if i didn't do it someone else would have 02:39 < BHSPitLappy> nah 02:39 < BHSPitLappy> you're irreplacable 02:39 < BHSPitLappy> don't die. 02:40 < imphasing> : imphasing, the pipelining is visible, so assuming Fetch, Decode, Execute; Fetch address = PC, in Decode R15=PC+4, in Execute R15=PC+8 02:40 < imphasing> josh_: ? 02:40 < imphasing> =/ 02:40 < imphasing> (From ##c) 02:40 < BHSPitLappy> wth is Battery Toggle? 02:40 < josh_> imphasing: exactly what we've been tellijng you 02:40 < imphasing> But you jsut said the currently executing instruction is PC-8 02:41 < aegray> yes....? 02:41 < josh_> he's using "PC" in a metaphorical sense, to refer to the instruction actually being executed 02:41 < josh_> R15 is the register called PC 02:41 < imphasing> Right.. 02:41 < josh_> so he's saying that "in Execute, the PC register is equal to the currently executing instruction's address plus 8" 02:42 < josh_> basic algebra gives you "in Execute, the currently executing instruction's address is equal to the PC register minus 8" 02:43 < BHSPitLappy> so we really do need basic algebra to succeed in the real world? damn 02:43 < aegray> yes 02:43 < BHSPitLappy> guess I better go back and take that class 02:43 < aegray> you need calc 02:44 * BHSPitLappy is actually in pre-ap precalculus 02:44 * josh_ is in calc bc 02:44 < josh_> (well, just C, really) 02:44 < BHSPitLappy> how@15? 02:44 < josh_> working ahead 02:44 < josh_> over the summer, etc. 02:44 * BHSPitLappy checks his calendar 02:45 < imphasing> I was taking precalc at 15 02:45 < imphasing> But that's not much 02:45 < josh_> http://cty.jhu.edu/summer/catalogs/osmath.html#math 02:45 < coob> heh i went to the uk version of cty 02:45 < coob> nagty 02:46 < josh_> ah cool, didn't know they had one in the uk 02:46 < BHSPitLappy> so you're getting HS credits, josh_ ? 02:46 < BHSPitLappy> err, college 02:46 < josh_> just in the form of APs, and the only one I've taken so far is calc ab 02:46 < BHSPitLappy> meh, i'm taking that next year 02:46 < aegray> pfff 02:46 < aegray> bc 02:47 < BleuLlama> cd 02:47 < coob> yeah i dunno why they let me in, it was their first ever summer school and i think they just let in anyone who applied and wasn't an utter retard 02:47 < josh_> BleuLlama: do tell me what this supposed "Calculus D" course involves :-) 02:47 < aegray> and you got in? 02:47 < BleuLlama> so why'd htey let you in? 02:47 < BHSPitLappy> last summer I was climbing mountains, screw school :P 02:47 < coob> but i now go to the uni it was held at, staying in the same accomodation 02:47 * aegray wins 02:47 < coob> ha. should've expected that :) 02:47 < BleuLlama> damn. 02:47 * imphasing 's lightbulb goes off 02:47 < BleuLlama> josh_: i thought we were doing a pattern... you said ab, aegray said bc, so i said cd 02:48 < josh_> ah. 02:48 < imphasing> "PC" is always the address of the next instruction to be retrieved, by definition? 02:48 < josh_> well, it's always the instruction *being* retrieved 02:48 < imphasing> ok 02:49 < imphasing> so when an instruction is being executed, PC+4 is going to be the address of the next instruction that was just retrieved, and is about to be decoded? 02:49 * BleuLlama listens to his sink gurgle 02:49 < imphasing> And PC+8 is going to be the address of the next instruction to be retrieved 02:49 < josh_> no. 02:50 < BleuLlama> imphasing: take a cource on computer/cpu architecture first. 02:50 < josh_> when an instr is being executed, PC-4 is going to be the address of the next instruction that was just retrieved, and is about to be decoded, and PC is going to be the address of the next instruction to be retrieved 02:50 < courtc> BleuLlama: a cource? 02:50 < imphasing> BleuLlama: I'd love to 02:50 < BleuLlama> course. 02:50 < BleuLlama> you fucknut. 02:50 < courtc> of cource. 02:50 < BleuLlama> ZING 02:50 * imphasing snickers 02:50 < BleuLlama> you win! 02:50 < josh_> imphasing: there's an online book called "Art of Assembly"; it's mostly about x86 but contains a lot of generally-applicable info. 02:50 * BleuLlama giggles. 02:50 < imphasing> ok, cool 02:51 < BleuLlama> read it, understand it, then come back. 02:51 < imphasing> ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh 02:51 -!- bholland [n=bholland@s207-81-155-20.bc.hsia.telus.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:52 < courtc> hhhhhhhooooooooo 02:52 < imphasing> BleuLlama: this -is- my course on CPU architecture 02:52 < BleuLlama> imphasing: it's not a course -we- want to be teaching you. 02:52 < BHSPitLappy> niaga siht ton :ctruoc 02:52 < BleuLlama> -we- have better things to be doing. 02:53 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Then by all means, do them. 02:53 < BleuLlama> -you- are singlehandedly slowing development work on ipl. 02:53 < BHSPitLappy> BleuLlama: what -would- you be developing right now? 02:53 < imphasing> -you- are single handedly listening to me, and answering questions, so you are actually slowing it down. 02:53 < imphasing> But I won't get into that. 02:53 < BHSPitLappy> good idea 02:54 < imphasing> If you don't want to answer something, by all means don't. 02:54 < BleuLlama> i was helping aegray on the processor scaling 02:54 < BleuLlama> so. you expect none of us to help you... why are you asking questions? 02:55 < imphasing> Because it's nice when you do answer them, and you know more than me. 02:56 < imphasing> But I'm seriously not expecting you to stop what you're doing, and answer all my questions; that would be rude, and demanding. 02:56 < BleuLlama> but it *is* what you're really expecting. 02:57 < aegray> grr wtf 02:59 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Nothing really. I might ask a question, and if someone is kind enough to answer it, so much the better. I go grubbing around on google before I ask a question, so if I don't get an answer, I go back to grubbing around on google. 02:59 -!- aegray [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has quit ["rebooting"] 03:00 < courtc> The ability to learn by yourself is talent to be treasured. The ability to make others not want to teach you is something to avoid. 03:00 < Paltsu> wtf, im trying put this "dd if=/dev/disk2s3 of=ipod_os_partition_backup" and terminal just... eh, does nothing. Top of the window says "Terminal - dd" and it wont response to any commands 03:01 -!- masquerade [n=masquera@c-68-49-145-242.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 03:01 < courtc> Paltsu: that's not the os partition. 03:01 < Paltsu> hmm? 03:01 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:01 < imphasing> courtc: Luckily, I -can- learn by myself. Having someone who knows more, and being able to ask them questions is something even better though. 03:02 < courtc> Yes, but asking so many questions about stuff that they learned by themselves is an easy way to lose a tutor. 03:02 < Paltsu> courtc, damn. Now i get it :D 03:02 < Paltsu> thanks for the help 03:02 < imphasing> courtc: point. 03:12 -!- aegray [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:12 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o aegray ] by ChanServ 03:19 -!- aegray_ [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:19 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o aegray_ ] by ChanServ 03:20 < aegray_> hmm 03:22 < imphasing> ..o0("Should I eat that burrito sitting on my desk, or not...") 03:22 < spazzium> ... 03:24 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit ["Time to restart X"] 03:25 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:26 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:27 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:31 -!- aegray [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:32 < BHSPitLappy> poor aegray_ 03:34 < imphasing> wrong aegray 03:34 < imphasing> :D 03:34 < BHSPitLappy> i believe there is only one aegray 03:34 < imphasing> you sad aegray_, when aegray actually quit. 03:34 < imphasing> s/sad/said/ 03:35 < BHSPitLappy> so aegray_ isn't poor? 03:35 < BHSPitLappy> (in the sense of fortune) 03:35 -!- linuxstb_ [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:35 < BHSPitLappy> hola, linuxstb_ 03:35 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:36 < imphasing> BHSPitLappy: There are too many aegrays 03:36 -!- danalien [n=danalien@unaffiliated/danalien] has joined #ipodlinux 03:36 -!- aegray_ [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:36 < BHSPitLappy> poor aegray* 03:37 < Beanman> i have a error can some one help me with it(linking error) 03:37 < Beanman> core/built-in.o: In function `updateprogress': 03:37 < Beanman> : undefined reference to `ttk_slider_set_val' 03:37 < Beanman> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 03:37 < Beanman> make: *** [all] Error 1 03:37 < imphasing> That would be "poor aegray_" 03:37 < Beanman> i updated useing the svn for pz2 a few days ago 03:37 < josh_> Beanman: make distclean all in ttk 03:38 < courtc> update ttk too 03:38 < Beanman> what is distclean, a command. 03:38 < imphasing> it's a make option 03:38 < imphasing> that cleans it all out 03:39 < courtc> a target. 03:39 < imphasing> what he waid. 03:39 < imphasing> er. 03:39 < imphasing> said. 03:44 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [] 03:44 -!- aegray [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:45 < imphasing> Which aegray is the good one? aegray, or aegray_? 03:45 < aegray> muhuhahahahaha 03:45 < courtc> both are evil. 03:48 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:49 < Beanman> ttk will not make 03:49 -!- aegray [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:49 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-o josh_ ] by ChanServ 03:50 < Beanman> it says that it that the lex.yy.c had a 127 error 03:51 < Beanman> sudo gcc_select 3.3 03:56 -!- Zol [n=dsf@S0106004005c40c76.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:58 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-186-215-125.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:03 -!- Synapse_ is now known as Synapse 04:13 -!- Beanman [n=Beanman_@69-174-125-202.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 04:19 -!- aegray [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:19 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o aegray ] by ChanServ 04:20 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:21 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:25 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/ (37 files in 5 directories): The Big Podzilla Kconfig Commit. w00t! (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/779) 04:26 < imphasing> Kconfig? 04:26 < imphasing> =/ 04:26 < josh_> ever used `make menuconfig' with a Linux kernel? 04:26 < imphasing> yeah 04:26 < josh_> that's what that's called 04:26 < imphasing> ah, cool.. 04:31 < imphasing> josh_: you ever used csh before? 04:31 < josh_> nope 04:32 < imphasing> It's supposedly a shell with a C like syntax 04:34 -!- JFriesen [n=Jodaho@wnpgmb01dc6-53-73.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:36 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/ (Config.in[-] core/module.c module.mk): Config.in is autogenerated; don't error out on noncompiled modules on desktop; don't install noncompiled modules. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/780) 04:37 < courtc> csh sucks. 04:40 < imphasing> Ah.. 04:43 < josh_> 3 04:43 < josh_> ^ ign. 04:43 < BHSPitLappy> we know the drill, josh_ 04:44 -!- aegray [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has quit ["leaving"] 04:44 < BHSPitLappy> is "^ ign." a keymapping in josh's irc client by now, I wonder :D 04:45 < imphasing> Arg, doesn't look like my distro has chsh.. 04:46 < courtc> really, don't bother, stick with bash or zsh 04:46 < imphasing> Yeah, I'm changing to zsh 04:46 < josh_> BHSPitLappy: nope :-) 04:47 < BHSPitLappy> just a big red button to the side of your keyboard? 04:47 < josh_> no, I actually type it out 04:47 < josh_> ^ i g n . 04:47 < BHSPitLappy> josh_: what does one need to compile your installer in windows? 04:47 < josh_> BHSPitLappy: qt 4 04:47 < josh_> you can download it from www.trolltech.com 04:47 < courtc> you could make a script that ignores a line with only the character 3 04:48 < josh_> courtc: can you do that with irssi? 04:48 < courtc> probably. 04:48 < courtc> haha, firefox sucks. 04:48 < josh_> how so? 04:49 < courtc> $ ls ~/linux-* 04:49 < courtc> linux-2.6.15.1.tar.bz2 linux-3.6.15.1.tar.bz2 04:50 < josh_> hahahaha 04:52 < BHSPitLappy> josh_: " Qt/Windows Open Source Edition" sounds right? 04:52 < imphasing> courtc: Creepy.. 04:52 -!- aegray [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:52 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o aegray ] by ChanServ 04:52 < BHSPitLappy> wb 04:53 < aegray> tnx 04:56 < BHSPitLappy> rockbox plays music better than we do, now :( 04:57 < aegray> oh well 04:57 * courtc shrugs 04:57 < BHSPitLappy> heh. 04:57 < courtc> Good for them. 04:57 < imphasing> rockbox is older, aren't they? 04:57 < BHSPitLappy> the ipod port isn't :P 04:58 < imphasing> True. 04:58 < imphasing> They aren't linux though. It's a completely different deal. 04:58 < BHSPitLappy> mmhmm 04:59 < BHSPitLappy> but apparently they know their stuff when it comes to memory allocation, and etc 05:00 < BHSPitLappy> I like podzilla's interface better though, it's all trade-offs ;) 05:00 < courtc> You are nieve. 05:01 < BHSPitLappy> naive 05:01 < BHSPitLappy> and true 05:01 < josh_> 20:51 < BHSPitLappy> josh_: " Qt/Windows Open Source Edition" sounds right? 05:01 < josh_> BHSPitLappy: yep 05:01 < courtc> Yes. That. 05:01 < BHSPitLappy> 87% of 44MB... 05:02 < BHSPitLappy> timidi or something would be cool on ipl... 05:02 < imphasing> Ew, time to clean my screens..they're all gunky. 05:02 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has joined #ipodlinux 05:03 < BHSPitLappy> eew indeed... 05:04 < imphasing> I just got a new (to me) screen 05:04 < imphasing> it's kind of nice 05:04 < imphasing> and dirty 05:07 < imphasing> xterm seems to be the preferred terminal emulator..that and konsole (ew) 05:09 < BHSPitLappy> heh 05:10 * BHSPitLappy uses konsole :( 05:10 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/Kconfig/menubox.c: Sort the menus. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/781) 05:10 < imphasing> Heh. 05:11 < BHSPitLappy> how long till 800 i wonder 05:12 < aegray> 10 minutes 05:13 < BHSPitLappy> better get on it. 05:13 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o courtc ] by ChanServ 05:13 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b *!*i=Steve-O@67.64.118.* ] by courtc 05:13 -!- BHSPitLappy was kicked from #ipodlinux by courtc [courtc] 05:14 < courtc> I'm so sick of his shit. 05:14 < aegray> haha 05:14 -!- rmh3093 [n=rmh3093@cpe-66-67-170-142.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit ["rmh3093 has no reason"] 05:14 < aegray> heh 05:14 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b *!*i=Steve-O@67.64.118.* ] by courtc 05:14 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=Steve-O@67.64.118.242] has joined #ipodlinux 05:14 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=Steve-O@67.64.118.242] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:14 -!- BHSPitLappy [i=Steve-O@67.64.118.242] has joined #ipodlinux 05:15 < imphasing> When you kicked him, it booted him out of #rockbox too.. 05:15 < BHSPitLappy> I dunno how you managed to crash XChat... :P 05:15 < imphasing> Ah, fun. 05:15 < imphasing> It's not hard. 05:17 < BHSPitLappy> well, I can tell court's in his usual mood 05:18 < imphasing> Way to keep a low profile. 05:18 < BHSPitLappy> uh huh 05:19 < courtc> I'm sick of your shit. Your "jokes" aren't funny. 05:20 < BHSPitLappy> when have I ever introduced a message as "joke:"? 05:20 < courtc> < BHSPitLappy> better get on it. 05:20 < courtc> I hope to god that was a joke. 05:20 < BHSPitLappy> the previous line was a joke, mine was a gratuitous reply 05:22 < courtc> Let me make it absolutely clear that telling devs to hurry up in any case is not acceptable. 05:22 < BHSPitLappy> context is important. please consider it before blowing up because of something. 05:23 < courtc> I am only in my "usual mood" because you put me in it. 05:23 < BHSPitLappy> ouch. 05:26 < BHSPitLappy> just like to add that it must take some effort to transform what I say into vulgar insults and complaints, and I have nothing but respect for your ability to do so. the only thing I have left to say is, "chill out." 05:27 * BleuLlama right there with courtc 05:29 < aegray> http://www.nanbelegorn.com/sandwich/ 05:29 < aegray> haha 05:30 < imphasing> haha 05:30 < imphasing> that sounds like a tasty sandwich 05:30 < imphasing> Probably like eating a heart attack, but yummy.. 05:31 * aegray hungry 05:32 < courtc> < BHSPitLappy> but apparently they know their stuff when it comes to memory allocation, and etc. 05:32 < imphasing> aegray: http://myhighhorse.com/images/manwich%20035.jpg #oh god.. 05:32 -!- JFriesen [n=Jodaho@wnpgmb01dc6-53-73.dynamic.mts.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:32 < aegray> i would vomit 05:32 < aegray> omg 05:32 < BHSPitLappy> sorry if that came off as a negative comparison 05:32 < BHSPitLappy> I just mentioned it because I thought their work today was noteworthy 05:32 < imphasing> That thing has enchiladas, several pounds of burger meat, etc..man. 05:34 < BHSPitLappy> I'd vomit if I even looked at that thing... 05:34 < BleuLlama> BHSPitLappy: their work is amazing, i have nothing but respect for their work, and their project... but don't make comparisons that slight us, to our faces. 05:34 < aegray> you can put me down all you like 05:35 < BHSPitLappy> sorry. I didn't notice it at the time, wish someone had called me on it at the time. 05:35 < aegray> just not them 05:35 < BHSPitLappy> I -can- be a bit tactless at times without realizing it. 05:36 < BHSPitLappy> you all know you're my heroes :) 05:36 < imphasing> aegray: You need to be more aggressive. If someone tries to put you down, you slap them in the face and tell them you did their mom. 05:36 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: I wouldn't put you down. 05:37 -!- tarpman [i=tarpman@d64-180-41-36.bchsia.telus.net] has quit ["This is Surrealus of Borg. Yogurt is irrelevant. We will itemize your giraffes and disown your astronomical yachts."] 05:37 < BHSPitLappy> does that quit message have any origin anywhere, or is he just on crack? 05:39 -!- shadax [n=shadax@str-7200-bvi-12.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:39 < courtc> heh, google for "Yogurt is irrelevant" 05:40 < BHSPitLappy> only exactly matches -one- site 05:40 < imphasing> I wouldn't be surprised if that was his livejournal. 05:40 < BHSPitLappy> nice, a livejournal 05:41 < imphasing> I suppose it would be cheesy to have a theme song playing while your ipod installer was running.. 05:42 < imphasing> But I was thinking of suin veteran's idea, and writing a song about unsupported ipods. 05:42 < BHSPitLappy> wait, what? 05:42 < imphasing> And recording it. 05:42 < imphasing> s/suin/using/ 05:42 < BHSPitLappy> that livejournal = BleuLlama ? 05:42 < BHSPitLappy> BleuLlama = tarpan? 05:43 < BHSPitLappy> s/tarpan/tarpman 05:43 < imphasing> Your logic is flawed. 05:43 < BHSPitLappy> pi = exactly 3? 05:44 < imphasing> If you say anything concerning Pi with an accuracy so dismal again, I'll hunt you down. 05:44 < imphasing> Pi is my friend and lover. 05:44 < courtc> pi is ~a few 05:45 < imphasing> Wait..bitwise not? 05:45 < courtc> no, 'about' 05:45 < imphasing> Ah-ha. 05:46 < imphasing> Oh man; I think I've stumbled into the perimeter of wisdom! To nvi! 05:47 * BHSPitLappy observes from a jeep afar 05:48 < imphasing> I have to make my emulated PC correspond to my emulated memory.. 05:48 < imphasing> It all makes sense now! 05:49 < imphasing> Doesn't really make it any simpler, but at least it makes sense. 05:52 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Client exiting..."] 05:53 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit ["Resolution change!"] 05:54 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:55 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:00 -!- codenode [n=codenode@c-24-7-112-59.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 06:00 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:01 -!- veteran [n=veteran@67.10.166.79] has joined #ipodlinux 06:01 < imphasing> Eurgh, that 160x1200 res got annoying.. 06:03 < BHSPitLappy> hmm? 06:04 -!- masquerade [n=masquera@c-68-49-145-242.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:04 < imphasing> My monitor isn't big enough, so it's hard to read 06:04 < BHSPitLappy> you had a 2:15 ratio?? 06:04 < josh_> haha 06:05 < BleuLlama> i think he meant 1600x1200 06:05 < josh_> well yeah 06:05 < BHSPitLappy> I'm starting to think so, too. 06:05 < BleuLlama> although, i wouldn't hold it past him. 06:05 < BHSPitLappy> well BleuLlama, I just read all your comics. 06:05 < BHSPitLappy> yorg or whatever 06:06 < BleuLlama> yorgle.org 06:06 < BHSPitLappy> yup 06:06 < BleuLlama> they suck, go over to my friend's comic: http://www.clenchedfistlabs.com/ 06:06 < BleuLlama> the "Jerry" character is me. 06:06 < imphasing> BleuLlama: Are you saying that a really tall resolution is a bad thing? 06:07 < BleuLlama> then head over to another friend's site http://pengcognito.com/ for penguin comics 06:07 < imphasing> Oh man, anything involving penguins has to be good. 06:08 < BleuLlama> i like the Clenched Fist Labs comics better, but that's just me. ;) 06:08 -!- Ranix_rly [i=Ranix_rl@ACAFB7CB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 06:08 < imphasing> Yeah, I like the illustration on those.. 06:08 < imphasing> They're good. 06:08 < Ranix_rly> hey guys 06:08 < BleuLlama> http://www.clenchedfistlabs.com/archive.php?strip=77 is how i feel often 06:09 < imphasing> Heehee 06:09 * BleuLlama afk for a bit 06:10 < imphasing> http://www.clenchedfistlabs.com/archive.php?strip=107 # I love that one. Ah, the quandaries of time travel.. 06:11 < imphasing> http://www.catandgirl.com is also really good. 06:13 -!- jonrelay [n=jonrelay@66-214-200-107.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 06:13 < jonrelay> pz2 is skipping all the modules when compiling, why? 06:13 < josh_> does it say (Skipping blah)? 06:14 < jonrelay> Yeah. 06:14 < josh_> ack 06:14 < josh_> my fault 06:14 < jonrelay> I ran make menuconfig and enabled them all, but it still does that. 06:14 * josh_ fixes 06:14 < josh_> er 06:14 < josh_> wait 06:14 * josh_ fixes 06:16 < jonrelay> It doesn't line-break the Description: field of the Module file. 06:16 < jonrelay> And it bus errors when I change the terminal window size and go to another screen. 06:16 < josh_> what bus errors - make menuconfig? 06:16 < jonrelay> Yes 06:17 < josh_> ok, one thing at a time. 06:18 * Ranix_rly yawns 06:22 < Ranix_rly> see ya guys 06:22 -!- Ranix_rly [i=Ranix_rl@ACAFB7CB.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["quit rly."] 06:23 -!- veteran [n=veteran@67.10.166.79] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 06:23 < imphasing> I'm going to invent a device that allows me to stab people in the face over the internet, and I'm going to test it on Ranix. 06:24 < aegray> rly? 06:24 < imphasing> ya rly. 06:32 < aegray> BHSPitLappy: ping 06:32 < BHSPitLappy> weird... 06:32 < aegray> hrm? 06:32 < BHSPitLappy> i JUST gave XChat focus 06:32 < coob> wow, i've never seen that on bash.org before! I must put that humourous quote there immediately! 06:32 < aegray> haha 06:32 < BHSPitLappy> uhh 06:32 < BHSPitLappy> no thanks 06:32 < aegray> not you 06:32 < BHSPitLappy> oh, imphasing 06:33 < imphasing> ? 06:33 < aegray> maybe he really did think it up himself! 06:33 < BHSPitLappy> *sigh* 06:33 < BHSPitLappy> yes aegray 06:33 < imphasing> I don't have to give every quote credit. 06:33 < imphasing> I can paraphrase. 06:34 < jonrelay> Is there a way to put an escape character in a parameter to echo? 06:34 < josh_> do you want it interpreted or not? 06:34 < jonrelay> I want it interpreted in the output, yeah. 06:35 < josh_> echo -e 06:35 < jonrelay> That just echoes back -e. 06:36 < BHSPitLappy> heh. 06:36 < josh_> try /bin/echo -e "foo\nbar" 06:36 < jonrelay> -e foo\nbar 06:37 < coob> busybox's echo doesn't support -e i think 06:37 < jonrelay> This is on desktop. 06:37 < josh_> ah, is this on busybox? 06:37 < josh_> oremanj@xenon /home/oremanj/dev/podzilla2 % echo -e "foo\nbar" 06:37 < josh_> foo 06:37 < josh_> bar 06:37 < josh_> what shell? 06:37 < aegray> aegray@localhost ~ $ echo -e foo\nbar 06:37 < aegray> foonbar 06:37 < aegray> wtf is a foonbar 06:37 < josh_> you need to '' it 06:37 < josh_> or the shell will drop the \ before it even gets to echo 06:37 < jonrelay> I've tried both tcsh and bash. 06:37 < aegray> what do '' do? 06:37 < aegray> oh 06:37 < josh_> bash-2.05b$ echo -e "foo\nbar" 06:37 < josh_> foo 06:37 < josh_> bar 06:38 < aegray> windows has an automotive platform? 06:38 < aegray> wow 06:38 < jonrelay> OK, now I'm getting that. 06:38 < josh_> tcsh doesn't handle it, but bash does. 06:38 < josh_> dev/podzilla2> echo -e "foo\nbar" 06:38 < josh_> -e foo 06:38 < josh_> bar 06:39 < imphasing> Seems to work for me too. 06:40 < jonrelay> How do I get it to output an escape sequence? -e [m just outputs [m; -e[m outputs -e[m. 06:40 < josh_> ah 06:40 < josh_> try -e '\e[1mBOLD\e[0m' 06:40 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/ (Kconfig/menubox.c make-config.pl): Sort this stuff *correctly*. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/782) 06:41 < josh_> jonrelay: ^ try that, it's working great for me 06:41 < jonrelay> Ah, that fixed it, thank you. :) 06:41 < josh_> n/p 06:42 -!- ai2097 [n=ai2097@pdpc/supporter/active/ai2097] has joined #ipodlinux 06:42 < BleuLlama> did someone mention Foonbars? 06:42 < imphasing> Don't think so. 06:42 < aegray> snoozy! 06:42 < BleuLlama> mmm. nestle foonbars are yummy 06:42 < josh_> jonrelay: btw, when you get a chance, could you add a "Category: Text Input/Text Input Methods" to the Module file of each of your TIMs? 06:42 < josh_> and "Category: Text Input" to textinput, tiwidgets, and tix 06:42 < jonrelay> Actually, that's what I'm doing right now. :D 06:42 < josh_> ah cool :-) 06:43 < jonrelay> Do you want 'Text Input' on the basic support stuff and 'Text Input Methods' on the methods themselves? 06:43 < BHSPitLappy> BleuLlama: your friend makes me chuckle. 06:43 < josh_> Text Input Methods should be a subcat of Text Input 06:43 < josh_> and put podwrite and friends in Applications, not TI 06:43 < jonrelay> Category: Text Input/Methods ??? 06:43 < josh_> Text Input/Text Input Methods 06:43 < jonrelay> OK 06:44 < BleuLlama> josh_: feel free to put my modules in the appropriate categories 06:44 < josh_> the part after the / will be a menu entry on the TI menu, so that'll look better 06:44 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: what was with the ping 06:44 < josh_> BleuLlama: ok, will do 06:44 < aegray> pm? 06:44 < BHSPitLappy> always 06:49 < imphasing> You know..A black terminal with white text is alot easier to see.. 06:51 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/podzilla2/modules/ (14 files in 14 directories): Category and Description fields for text input stuff. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/783) 06:56 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/podzilla2/modules/ (podwrite/Module terminal/Module): Category and Description fields for Terminal and PodWrite. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/784) 06:58 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/podzilla2/modules/terminal/Module: Just noticed Terminal was missing its Dependencies line. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/785) 07:00 < aegray> `project status 07:00 < iplbot> project status is at http://www.ipodlinux.org/Project_Status [from aegray] 07:00 < aegray> yea i'm lazy 07:00 < aegray> eat shit all of you 07:00 < imphasing> I didn't say anything. 07:00 < imphasing> I was just snickering softy. 07:00 < imphasing> er. -softly- 07:04 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/podzilla2/modules/terminal/terminal.c: Make it able to open a new terminal window for any executable, not just the minix-sh included with Terminal. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/786) 07:06 < coob> why is minix-sh included in the module? 07:07 < jonrelay> Because otherwise you'd need to install two files instead of one. 07:08 < coob> minix-sh is replacing sash at /bin/sh in the next filesystem release, and anyone with enough clue to be running pz2 has minix-sh as their shell anyway 07:09 < aegray> hmm 07:09 < jonrelay> The minix-sh in /bin has the ipod_read stuff in it. 07:09 * aegray doesn't have minix-sh 07:09 * aegray doesn't have a clue 07:09 < jonrelay> The one in Terminal does not. 07:09 < josh_> ah, good point. 07:10 < coob> it does? mine doesn't. it seems like needless replication to me, ipod_read should be toggleable if its in the shell 07:10 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@unaffiliated/demonthing] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:11 < courtc> mine doesn't either. 07:11 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/podzilla2/modules/tiptext/ ([+] Makefile[+] Module[+] tiptext.c[+]): Add the predictive text stuff for Telephone Keypad. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/787) 07:12 < josh_> jonrelay: nice. 07:12 < jonrelay> Thanks. It's been sitting in my pz2 development folder for a while. 07:12 < imphasing> jonrelay: The text input just got punk'd 07:12 < joshk> is that T9? 07:12 < jonrelay> No, it's ptext. 07:18 -!- Zol [n=dsf@S0106004005c40c76.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:21 < jonrelay> What category should the 'mouse' module go under? X-Y Input? 07:22 < imphasing> "Input"? 07:23 < josh_> jonrelay: put it under Libraries 07:23 < jonrelay> Alright. 07:24 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/modules/ (25 files in 25 directories): Descriptions and categories galore... (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/788) 07:24 < iPL-SVN> Someone just broke the PZ2 build (modules). 07:24 < imphasing> :( 07:24 < josh_> (I know why.) 07:24 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/ (Kconfig/confdata.c make-config.pl module.mk): Config system misc fixes. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/789) 07:24 < coob> k config? :D 07:24 * coob missed it when that first went in 07:25 < josh_> think Linux kernel configuration without the Linux kernel part 07:25 < coob> i know what it is :D 07:25 < josh_> ah ok 07:25 < josh_> yep, it's in :P 07:25 < BHSPitLappy> wow, what's with the commit party tonight? :D (no objections) 07:26 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/modules/ (about/Config[+] browser/Config[+] mymodule/Config[+] sleep/Config[+]): Add some Config files for modules with special needs. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/790) 07:26 < iPL-SVN> Someone just broke the PZ2 build (modules). 07:26 < aegray> hahaha 07:26 < josh_> I need to fix iPL-SVN to run make oldconfig 07:26 < imphasing> I think they might break 800 tonight. 07:26 < josh_> er 07:26 < josh_> make defconfig 07:26 < josh_> yep 07:26 < josh_> Building modules. 07:26 < josh_> CC [M] about.o 07:26 < josh_> about.c:22:20: config.h: No such file or directory 07:28 < iPL-SVN> josh * management/svnbot.pl: Handle the config system appropriately. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/791) 07:29 < jonrelay> Why isn't svn ci working? 07:29 < josh_> it is for me... 07:29 < josh_> what error are you getting? 07:29 < jonrelay> Oh wait. 07:29 < jonrelay> Forgot to svn add hehe. 07:30 < BHSPitLappy> imphasing: so how's the emu going 07:30 < imphasing> BHSPitLappy: Hah. 07:30 < imphasing> Leaps and bounds. 07:30 < BHSPitLappy> are emus sort of like ostriches? 07:30 < imphasing> In the wrong direction. 07:30 < aegray> LAME 07:30 < imphasing> Then a couple leaps in the right direction. 07:31 < imphasing> Then some bounds in the wrong. 07:31 < BHSPitLappy> I'm actually not sure... 07:31 < jonrelay> LAME: An Mp3 Encoder. 07:31 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/podzilla2/modules/mouse/ (25 files): Add the mouse stuff. Commit party!!! (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/792) 07:31 < imphasing> The a couple steps in the right direction. 07:31 < imphasing> now a bound in the right direction. 07:31 < imphasing> That's the whole history. 07:31 < aegray> jonrelay: shutup 07:31 < iPL-SVN> Someone just broke the PZ2 build (modules). 07:31 < aegray> haha 07:31 < BHSPitLappy> jonrelay: is podpaint being picked up? 07:32 < BHSPitLappy> fast bot. 07:32 < imphasing> LAME Aint An MP3 Encoder, dude. 07:32 < jonrelay> Maybe. 07:32 < josh_> 23:31 < iPL-SVN> Someone just broke the PZ2 build (modules). 07:32 < josh_> ^ my fault 07:32 < aegray> jerk 07:32 < aegray> :) 07:32 < BHSPitLappy> aegray: ever figure out the next building block in iboy? 07:33 < aegray> fuckyou 07:33 < BHSPitLappy> :( 07:33 < BHSPitLappy> you left me hanging... 07:33 < imphasing> He's missing one of those 8 long Lego blocks; they're a bitch to find. 07:33 < BHSPitLappy> blockland is a neat game. 07:34 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/module.mk: Don't dist module libraries that don't exist. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/793) 07:35 < imphasing> Blockland's fun level is inversely proportional to the intelligence of the user. 07:36 < BHSPitLappy> it's more fun to develop for than to play 07:37 < imphasing> josh_: So when was your birthday? 07:37 < josh_> 1/17 07:37 < imphasing> Nice. 07:41 < BHSPitLappy> how does it feel to be a multiple of 5 once again 07:42 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/podzilla2/modules/podpaint/ (71 files): BHSPitLappy> jonrelay: is podpaint being picked up? Please don't say I broke the pz2 build... (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/794) 07:42 * BHSPitLappy svns up 07:42 < jonrelay> Wait, BHS 07:43 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/podzilla2/modules/podpaint/tools.psd[-]: You don't need my 1.1MB psd. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/795) 07:43 < jonrelay> Now, BHS 07:43 -!- BHSPitMonkey [n=billybob@67.64.118.242] has joined #ipodlinux 07:45 < imphasing> jonrelay: It'll be more gratifying to get to 800 commits if they are all legitimate ones. 07:45 < imphasing> :P 07:46 < jonrelay> That wasn't on purpose; I don't plan on making illegitimate ones. 07:46 < imphasing> I know. 07:46 < jonrelay> I don't plan on breaking 800 anyway. 07:46 < BHSPitMonkey> does anyone else get a loot of errors when starting pz2? 07:46 < aegray> error line without colon in module file for ti* 07:46 < BHSPitMonkey> err, warning 07:46 < imphasing> It was more me poking fun at you including a psd into your module 07:46 < BHSPitMonkey> yes 07:46 < jonrelay> Oh god. 07:47 < BHSPitMonkey> more than just ti* 07:47 < aegray> all the ti's 07:47 < BHSPitMonkey> wumpus, mpdc, mouse, lithp, ... 07:47 < BHSPitMonkey> terminal 07:47 < jonrelay> Oh good. Some stuff that isn't mine. 07:47 < BHSPitMonkey> podwrite, libstdcxx 07:48 < jonrelay> Looks like all of them. 07:49 < BHSPitMonkey> does anyone else feel like josh is out in orbit, changing the direction of the earth's rotation right now? 07:52 < imphasing> Oh man..I never realized how handy macros are. 07:52 < jonrelay> Does mean it's going to be compiled as a module, and <*> mean it's going to be compiled in? 07:52 < aegray> yes 07:53 < jonrelay> OK, I just got it figured out. 07:53 < jonrelay> The instructions don't mention the difference, or that you have to press M to compile as a module. 07:54 < BHSPitMonkey> http://ipodlinux.org/Faq_for_stupid_people <--are we really this harsh, now? :S 07:55 < aegray> harsh is not in my vocabulary 07:56 < jonrelay> It's still skipping modules. :( 07:59 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/podzilla2/modules/pthreadstubs/Module: ptreads? (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/796) 07:59 < aegray> wtf 08:00 < aegray> make menuconfig + make no worky 08:00 < aegray> ah nm 08:01 < imphasing> Is it best to define structures in a header file, or does it not really matter? 08:01 < jonrelay> If multiple .c files use it, put it in a header. 08:01 < imphasing> ah, ok 08:01 < jonrelay> Otherwise it doesn't really matter. 08:02 < BHSPitMonkey> jonrelay: I don't get how you draw in podpaint :( 08:02 < BHSPitMonkey> all I can make is dots 08:02 < jonrelay> Use the other tools? 08:03 < jonrelay> To get lines, ovals, etc. click at one point, then move and click at another. 08:04 < BHSPitMonkey> but no freehand strokes? 08:04 < BHSPitMonkey> no scrolling while holding action? 08:04 < imphasing> BHSPitMonkey: It's an ipod. 08:04 < BHSPitMonkey> just making sure i'm not doing it wrong 08:04 < imphasing> :D 08:04 < BHSPitMonkey> imphasing: so? 08:04 < BHSPitMonkey> what if I told you that linux ran on them 08:04 < imphasing> Freehand strokes aren't going to be amazing on an ipod. 08:05 < imphasing> zomfg, linux? 08:05 < imphasing> for true? 08:05 < BHSPitMonkey> i mean move the cursor while holding the action button 08:05 < imphasing> ah. 08:05 < BHSPitMonkey> it doesn't seem to stick 08:05 < jonrelay> I don't think you can do that. 08:06 < BHSPitMonkey> k 08:06 < BHSPitMonkey> hardware limitation? 08:06 < jonrelay> I don't know about hardware, but TTK at least doesn't support multiple buttons being held down. 08:07 < BHSPitMonkey> ah 08:09 < jonrelay> josh *IS* out changing the direction of the earth's orbit now, isn't he? 08:09 < BHSPitMonkey> let us all hope 08:09 < BHSPitMonkey> Could not save file. 08:09 < BHSPitMonkey> ^ because the dir wasn't pre-existing? 08:10 < jonrelay> Yeah, if you save to a nonexistent directory it doesn't like that. 08:10 < BHSPitMonkey> hmm 08:11 < BHSPitMonkey> that save took a while, I thought it'd hung up 08:11 < BHSPitMonkey> just shows how artistic I am 08:11 < BHSPitMonkey> cool app though, jonrelay 08:11 < jonrelay> thx 08:11 < BHSPitMonkey> heh 08:12 < jonrelay> Wait, were you waiting for the svn commit to get PodPaint? 08:12 < BHSPitMonkey> I didn't try it this week 08:12 < BHSPitMonkey> don't keep up with Special:Module that much 08:12 < jonrelay> Oh I see. 08:13 < BHSPitMonkey> now I have noise, metronome, etc though :D 08:13 < BHSPitMonkey> glad to see met working 08:14 -!- DarthLappy [n=DarthShr@202-161-21-45.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 08:15 < jonrelay> Why is the spacing in make menuconfig all over the place? 08:15 < aegray> hahahaha 08:15 < aegray> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=46831#46831 08:15 < aegray> i'll change it in a second 08:15 < DarthLappy> Lemme see first :P 08:16 < DarthLappy> Heh 08:16 < DarthLappy> Hmm...Why does he have quotes around videos...Heh 08:18 < BHSPitMonkey> because he was watching pornography, and thinks he's cool for it. 08:18 < DarthLappy> Mmm... 08:18 < imphasing> "topic does not exist" 08:19 < imphasing> =/ 08:19 < jonrelay> It got ... DELETED!! 08:20 < imphasing> oh no 08:20 < imphasing> I'm all sad. 08:20 < imphasing> :) 08:20 < BHSPitMonkey> why did that guy throw that link in there 08:20 < BHSPitMonkey> nice avatar btw aegray 08:22 < imphasing> MOV can move registers to other registers, not just values to registers, right? 08:22 < jonrelay> I don't see why not. 08:23 < imphasing> Makes sense 08:34 < BHSPitMonkey> hmm 08:34 < BHSPitMonkey> just tangent thinking here...but would the usb port on the ipod even be able to supply power? 08:53 < coob> think it needs to for some cameras 08:58 < BHSPitMonkey> oh, like that accessory? 08:58 < BHSPitMonkey> camera connector * 08:59 < jonrelay> Bye all. 08:59 -!- jonrelay [n=jonrelay@66-214-200-107.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has quit ["Layyy-lah.."] 09:02 -!- Zol [n=dsf@S0106004005c40c76.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:15 * imphasing is away: To sleep, to dream; aye, that's the rub. 09:24 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/core/module.c: Don't use such a puny buffer. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/797) 09:24 < BHSPitMonkey> where's 'perchance'? 09:24 < BHSPitMonkey> puny buffer! 09:24 < josh_> 80 chars == puny buffer 09:25 < BHSPitMonkey> aye, 80 char buffers are girlymen! 09:25 < BHSPitMonkey> imphasing is misquoting shakespeare, however... 09:26 < courtc> I don't see any quotes 09:27 < BHSPitMonkey> then on top of it, he's plagiarising. 09:28 < courtc> pick one. 09:29 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/Makefile: Add `mrproper' which removes .config and friends too. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/798) 09:29 < courtc> yay! 09:29 < BHSPitMonkey> cool 09:29 < BHSPitMonkey> 2 away! 09:36 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/Makefile: Remove menu-strings.c during clean. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/799) 09:36 -!- BrianGriffin [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 09:36 < BHSPitLappy> the suspense! 09:36 < DarthLappy> Josh's on a role :P 09:37 < courtc> with a little encouragement... ;) 09:38 * BHSPitLappy gives josh a cookie 09:38 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/Makefile: A bit more cleaning. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/800) 09:38 < courtc> only 200 more. 09:38 < josh_> Kind of anticlimactic, but I had to do something before BL got in and changed the whitespace or something... :P 09:39 < BHSPitLappy> heh 09:39 < courtc> It's not the commit 800 we celebrate, it's everything adding up to 800. 09:39 < BHSPitLappy> poetic. 09:39 < josh_> courtc: very well said. 09:44 -!- SereR0KR [n=Fletcher@Fd093.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 09:46 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:54 -!- yoda1410 [n=yoda@user-85-201-17-36.tvcablenet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 10:00 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:03 -!- halogan [n=halogan@r2p193.chello.upc.cz] has joined #iPodLinux 10:03 < halogan> hi guys 10:05 < BHSPitLappy> halogan to you too 10:06 < halogan> i was just wondering, why isn't the newest ipod supported 10:06 < halogan> i've seen ipod nano with linux and loved it and I'd also like to give it a shot 10:06 < fontp> nano ? 10:07 < halogan> no, my video 10:07 < fontp> ah 10:07 < halogan> I've seen somewhere, that it's supported, but reading through ipodlinux.org the only thing i got was "NOT SUPPORTED" 10:07 < BHSPitLappy> you're wrong about the first part 10:09 < halogan> some guy on digg.com wrote it, probably he was wrong 10:10 < fontp> i had a similar letdown when i saw the story about half life on the ipod 10:10 < fontp> i knew it couldn't be true, but i was still pissed that it made it to the front page. 10:11 < halogan> oh gosh, I've seen it on nano, why can't that be for video? my friend tried it, but it didn't work :/ 10:15 < BHSPitLappy> it's not really halflife, just a hl wad for doom 10:33 -!- linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb 10:41 -!- kashi [n=KK@227.179.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 10:45 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #iPodLinux 10:50 -!- DocterD 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pucku> why aren't you kicking me now? 16:31 < BleuLlama> consider that your warning. never ask us when something will be done. 16:32 < pucku> I'm not asking it in a sort of geeze this really needs to get done let me apply pressure to get you guys aroudn to it sort of way, more a what are the missing pieces and is their any way I could contribute sort of way.... 16:32 < pucku> I'm pretty unfamiliar with the ipl project, and I'm just starting to poke around... 16:33 -!- iNT0XiC8D [n=iNT0XiC8@c-24-5-215-12.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:38 < BleuLlama> talk with the kernel dev and RE people about it. 16:41 -!- florian_ [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:41 -!- florian_ [n=Florian@florian.maisel.int-evry.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 16:42 -!- MarcoPolo [n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:44 -!- MarcoPolo 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The only thing I can think of is that the indentation could get ugly, but that's true for anything if you nest deep enough. 20:28 < imphasing> They aren't particularly hard to decipher, but if you have enough of them, it gets annoying 20:28 < BleuLlama> yeah. that's a formatting issue. 20:28 < imphasing> I haven't cleaned up my code yet, so it's a little difficult. 20:29 < imphasing> I know I don't need to use that many switches, but it's a prototype. 20:31 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:39 -!- iNT0XiC8D [n=iNT0XiC8@c-24-5-215-12.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:40 -!- jedix [n=jedix@Ottawa-HSE-ppp267231.sympatico.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 20:45 < Paltsu> im trying to update my kernel with os x, it just dont work (user error :P). Can someone give me somekind of lines or something to get onward with this? 20:55 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:56 -!- jonrelay [n=jonrelay@66-214-200-107.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has left #ipodlinux ["Layyy-lah.."] 21:01 -!- yoda1410 [n=yoda@user-85-201-17-36.tvcablenet.be] has left #ipodlinux [] 21:04 < josh_> 12:07 < jonrelay> pz2 is still skipping all the modules for me, even with a clean tree. :/ :( 21:04 < josh_> jonrelay: I checked out a clean tree, maked, and it worked.. 21:04 < iplbot> I think he left. 21:04 < josh_> oh 21:11 -!- jonrelay [n=jonrelay@66-214-200-107.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:13 < imphasing> iplbot: He lives! 21:13 < preglow> did you guys ever do some runtime benchmarks? like how much playback you can get from one charge 21:13 < josh_> 13:04 < josh_> 12:07 < jonrelay> pz2 is still skipping all the modules for me, even with a clean tree. :/ :( 21:13 < josh_> 13:04 < josh_> jonrelay: I checked out a clean tree, maked, and it worked.. 21:14 < jonrelay> Trying again... 21:14 -!- linuxstb_ [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:14 -!- linuxstb_ [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:22 < jonrelay> It's still doing it. :( 21:23 < jonrelay> Grah, wth is wrong with my system? 21:23 * jonrelay hates Mac OS X 21:23 < josh_> can you pastebin your .config and Config.in files? 21:23 < josh_> (both are autogenerated) 21:24 < jonrelay> http://pastebin.com/529340 21:24 < jonrelay> http://pastebin.com/529342 21:25 < BleuLlama> i moved around a module or two earlier.. .don't think it would have changed things significanlty though 21:25 < josh_> jonrelay: looks reasonable to me 21:25 < BleuLlama> ('lithp' is now a 'library') 21:25 < josh_> you say *all* the modules are being skipped? 21:26 < jonrelay> Yes, all of them. 21:26 < josh_> hrm 21:26 < josh_> well the relevant lines in module.mk are 21:26 < josh_> PZPATH ?= ../.. 21:26 < josh_> -include $(PZPATH)/.config 21:26 < jonrelay> It doesn 21:26 < josh_> ifndef MODULE_$(MODULE) 21:26 < josh_> all-check: 21:26 < josh_> @echo " (Skipping $(MODULE).)" 21:26 < josh_> else 21:26 < josh_> ... 21:27 < josh_> try removing the - from the beginning of that line that includes .config, and see what it says 21:28 < BleuLlama> it says: ouch! 21:28 < BleuLlama> then it says: you removed a thorn from my include line! how can i repay you? 21:28 < jonrelay> Makes no difference. 21:28 < josh_> hrm 21:29 < josh_> make --version 21:29 < jonrelay> GNU Make version 3.79 21:29 < josh_> I have 3.80, but I doubt that'd make much of a difference. 21:29 < josh_> try this simple Makefile 21:30 < josh_> MODULE_blarg = Blah 21:30 < josh_> MODULE = blarg 21:30 < josh_> all: 21:30 < josh_> echo $(MODULE_$(MODULE)) 21:31 < ai2097> Is there a way to scroll back the framebuffer in text mode so that I can read a message that the kernel is dumping? 21:31 < jonrelay> echo Blah 21:31 < jonrelay> Blah 21:31 < josh_> ok, that seemed to work 21:31 < josh_> now try enclosing that echo line in 21:31 < josh_> ifdef MODULE_$(MODULE) 21:31 < josh_> and 21:31 < josh_> endif 21:31 < josh_> ai2097: on desktop or iPod? 21:31 < ai2097> iPod :) 21:32 < jonrelay> make: Nothing to be done for 'all'. 21:32 < josh_> aha 21:32 < josh_> that'd explain it 21:33 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:33 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/module.mk: Don't use `ifdef MODULE_$(MODULE)', as OS X's make chokes on it. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/803) 21:33 < josh_> jonrelay: ^ see if that works 21:33 < BleuLlama> but everything works on my os x install 21:33 < josh_> BleuLlama: make --version 21:33 < jonrelay> svn up'ing :) 21:34 < BleuLlama> 3.80 21:34 < josh_> yep 21:34 < josh_> I have 3.80 too and it works 21:34 < josh_> jonrelay has 3.79 and it doesn't 21:34 < josh_> so I fixed it 21:34 < BleuLlama> odd 21:35 < jonrelay> Crap. 21:35 < jonrelay> No rule to make target 'clean'. Stop. 21:35 < jonrelay> No rule to make target 'dev-env'. Stop. 21:35 -!- Bi_noix [i=Bi-noix@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-159-111.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:35 < jonrelay> Nothing to be done for 'all'. 21:35 < jonrelay> How do I update make? 21:35 < jonrelay> :P 21:35 < josh_> idk 21:36 < BleuLlama> jonrelay: are you running 10.4.4? 21:36 < josh_> but GNU Make 3.80 is Copyright (c) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 21:36 -!- achnet [n=achnet@c-24-99-178-5.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:36 < josh_> so I think most people should have it by now :-) 21:36 < jonrelay> I'm running 10.3.9. 21:36 < BleuLlama> ah. hrm 21:36 < BleuLlama> gcc 3.3? 21:36 < jonrelay> Yep 21:36 -!- Bi-noix [i=Bi-noix@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-159-111.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:37 < BleuLlama> try going to developer.apple.com and downloading xcode 2.2 perhaps 21:37 < jonrelay> Going there now. 21:37 < ai2097> Woot. Got MPD+podzilla working. 21:38 < jonrelay> Xcode 2.2 requires 10.4.x. :/ 21:38 -!- DemonThing [i=nereid@unaffiliated/demonthing] has joined #ipodlinux 21:38 < ai2097> Would anyone find an ebuild for the arm-elf-tools useful? 21:39 < BleuLlama> :( 21:39 < imphasing> josh_: If you're in the mood to debug the pz2 build system still, I have some fun things. 21:39 < imphasing> :D 21:39 < josh_> imphasing: fire away 21:40 < imphasing> Cool. 21:41 < imphasing> Firstly, it seems to be naming some of the modules *.o, and not *.mod.o, so it won't install all of them 21:41 < josh_> let me guess: about, sleep, and browser? 21:41 < imphasing> yeah 21:41 < imphasing> :D 21:41 < imphasing> The other problems are probably caused by that one 21:42 < josh_> aha! 21:42 < BleuLlama> huh 21:42 < josh_> jonrelay: I managed to get it to do the skip-everything too. 21:42 < BleuLlama> now it's skippinmg everything here 21:42 < josh_> Yeah, might've messed that one up. 21:42 < jonrelay> hehe 21:42 < syamajala> i'm setingg up distcc in linux to compile stuff for os x 21:43 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/module.mk: Oops. Skip the modules that are set to *not* be compiled in, not the ones that are. :-) (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/804) 21:43 -!- DarthLappy [n=DarthShr@202-161-21-45.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 21:44 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/module.mk: Don't install .mod.o files that weren't created because the mod was compiled in. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/805) 21:46 < imphasing> Will make install over write all the old modules, or do I need to delete them by hand? 21:46 < josh_> it'll overwrite them 21:46 < imphasing> cool 21:46 < imphasing> now a test 21:46 < imphasing> :) 21:48 < jonrelay> Alright, *now* it's working! :D 21:48 < josh_> good :-) 21:50 < BleuLlama> YAY 21:51 -!- Bi-noix_ [i=Bi-noix@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-159-111.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:51 < imphasing> modules go in /etc/podzilla no more, correct? 21:51 < josh_> they never did 21:51 < josh_> they go in /usr/lib 21:51 < imphasing> =/ 21:52 < josh_> module *config* stuff goes in /etc/podzilla/ but you don't need to worry about that 21:52 < imphasing> ah, ok 21:52 -!- lucaas [n=LMX@h104n1c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:53 -!- Bi_noix [i=Bi-noix@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-159-111.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:54 -!- achnet [n=achnet@c-24-99-178-5.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 21:54 < imphasing> I still get a "cannot load module about" and "cannot load module browser" when I start podzilla on my ipod 21:54 < imphasing> and "could not load module speel" 21:54 < imphasing> Even though they aren't modules.. 21:54 < jonrelay> speel? 21:54 < josh_> sleep 21:54 < josh_> ack, ok 21:55 < imphasing> yeah, sleep. 21:55 < imphasing> :D 21:56 < josh_> imphasing: does About get inited though? e.g. if you go to Settings -> is there an About entry? 21:58 -!- haxorninja [n=paul@cpe-024-074-234-229.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:58 < haxorninja> I am trying to put fonts in my /usr/share/fonts folder in pz0, but there are no sub folders in /usr/....should I just make them? 21:58 < josh_> yes 21:59 < haxorninja> ah thanks 21:59 < haxorninja> I just updated my kernel and pz, anything new in the newest nightlies? 21:59 < haxorninja> besides fixes 21:59 -!- Paltsu [n=hautamak@dsl-jklgw4-fe90f800-48.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:04 < imphasing> josh_: I didn't check about, but browser doens't show up 22:04 < imphasing> I'll look though 22:04 < imphasing> Nope, no about. 22:04 < josh_> ick, looks like ((constructor)) isn't working - I'll have to figure something out. 22:04 < josh_> In the mean time.. 22:05 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/modules/ (about/Config browser/Config sleep/Config): Compile these three as modules, until I can get compiled-in stuff working on the iPod. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/806) 22:12 -!- courtc_ [n=court@adsl-158-64-5.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:12 < imphasing> When I build, it still says "3 modules compiled in" 22:12 < imphasing> =/ 22:12 < josh_> remember to make mrproper 22:13 < josh_> or at least make defconfig again 22:13 < BleuLlama> where are those documented? mproper/defconfig? 22:13 < imphasing> about.c:22:20: config.h: No such file or directory 22:13 < BleuLlama> "remember to..." I've not seen the first notice to do that. 22:13 < imphasing> make[2]: *** [about.o] Error 1 22:13 < imphasing> make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 22:13 < imphasing> make: *** [modules] Error 2 22:13 < imphasing> =/ 22:13 < imphasing> That's after make mrproper 22:14 < josh_> BleuLlama: they're not 22:14 < josh_> imphasing: try `make defconfig' 22:14 < imphasing> same 22:15 < josh_> no idea how that could be happening... 22:15 < josh_> yep, guess it is. 22:15 < josh_> aha 22:16 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/module.mk: Small fix. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/807) 22:17 < imphasing> woot 22:17 < imphasing> :D 22:18 < imphasing> thanks 22:20 < haxorninja> anyone know some crazy sites where I can get some AMAZING .fnt files 22:21 < imphasing> zomfg, YEAH!!! 22:21 < imphasing> They're simply AMAZING!! 22:21 < imphasing> And crazy. 22:21 < imphasing> And just plain wacky/zany 22:21 < haxorninja> efuhergjyjb.p.e.n.i.s.u434yt4t 22:22 < imphasing> yeah 22:22 < imphasing> Haha, I know, becuase it was really funny. 22:25 -!- courtc [n=court@adsl-83-192-52.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:27 -!- uira_casa [n=uiraCAsa@201-40-14-245.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ipodlinux 22:28 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/Makefile: first attempt to put in a thing that lists out useful makefile targets "make help" (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/808) 22:33 -!- haxorninja [n=paul@cpe-024-074-234-229.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit ["penis"] 22:34 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:43 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:46 -!- TrisoBoy [n=TrisoBoy@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 22:52 -!- Low2ToW [n=jackass@S010600095b27539d.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:00 -!- lucaas [n=LMX@h104n1c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:00 < Low2ToW> anybody familiar with ipod wizard? 23:04 < bluey> Low2ToW: yeah a bit 23:05 < Low2ToW> its cool i think i figured it out 23:06 < bluey> its ok but messing arround with strings can break the firmware 23:06 < Low2ToW> does that brick your ipod 23:06 < Low2ToW> or is it repairable 23:06 < bluey> no you can always reset the pod 23:07 < josh_> unless you change all the "iPod" strings 23:07 < josh_> (including the one in the flash) 23:07 < josh_> if you do that, it won't identify to your computer as an "iPod" anymore, so iTunes won't recognize it, nor will the Apple updater. 23:08 < bluey> i think there is a tool 23:08 < bluey> w8 23:08 < uira_casa> and the ipod video out? 23:08 < Low2ToW> ok 23:08 < josh_> if you do that, you'll have to either find a Linux box and do some somewhat tricky hackery, or swap HDs with a good iPod and restore both of them. 23:08 -!- dell500 [n=dell500@12-216-255-24.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:09 < Low2ToW> but if i change themes i should be alright? 23:09 < josh_> yeah 23:09 < Low2ToW> cool 23:11 < Low2ToW> any good sites where you can see a preview of the theme 23:11 -!- bluey [n=bluey@dslb-084-059-069-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:12 < coob> shurely if all the iPod strings were changed the firmware wouldn't checksum? 23:12 < imphasing> I didn't know you -could- change anything in flash.. 23:12 < imphasing> I thought it was read only 23:13 < imphasing> otherwise you guys would have written a bootloader right from the flash, without futzing around with apple's 23:14 < coob> what? 23:14 < josh_> coob: it's iPodWizard, its *job* is to modify the firmware. surely if an image was changed the firmware wouldn't checksum either? 23:14 < coob> josh_: i was thinking flash not 23:14 < coob> fw 23:14 < josh_> imphasing: if you put an image on sda1, with an "aupd" part in addition to the "osos" one, and encoded properly for 4g+, it'll reflash. 23:15 < coob> imphasing: of course you can write to the flash. we just don't for safety, as we have no need to 23:15 < josh_> (You might also have to do some other stuff - not sure - but I know that you can just dd one of the images in the resources of the updater and it'll work.) 23:15 < imphasing> Ah.. 23:15 < coob> why fuck around witht he part that contains the nice safe diskmode bit? 23:15 < imphasing> True. 23:16 < josh_> coob: I don't know, I just remember reading a few tales of modifying all the "iPod" strings and someone having to swap HDs with another iPod to fix it (apparently they never thought of using Linux) 23:16 < imphasing> You could probably dd the image off, fix the strings, and stick it back on, if you knew what you were doing 23:16 -!- linuxstb_ [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:17 -!- linuxstb_ [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:18 -!- uira_casa [n=uiraCAsa@201-40-14-245.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has left #ipodlinux [] 23:18 < imphasing> Oh, you can't dd the flash image off, can you.. 23:19 < josh_> nope 23:19 < imphasing> that was the whole problem with finding out how apples bootloader worked? 23:19 < josh_> yeah 23:19 < imphasing> mm 23:26 -!- Kicko [i=Kicko@static24-72-123-13.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 23:26 < Kicko> any1 around i got a question i need a lil help with 23:28 < Kicko> any1 know of a appy i could use other than aefdisk\paragon to make the partition with ive done it with aefdisk b4 but its giving me some lame error and i cant get it to work proper 23:28 < Kicko> ive got nano and xp 23:28 < Kicko> 4gig 23:30 < Kicko> ive searched the forums and havet found a similer problem 23:31 < Kicko> aefdisk give this error "Error: cannot run in WinNT/2k/XP DOS box. Run from DOS or Win9x/ME" 23:31 < Kicko> i dun get it had it working b4 but now no dice 23:32 < DarthLappy> What's the 'any1' and 'b4' business? 23:32 < DarthLappy> s/the/this/ 23:32 < Kicko> sry anyone and before is that better 23:32 < DarthLappy> :) 23:32 < Kicko> :P 23:33 < Kicko> any suggestions ? 23:33 < DarthLappy> Use Linux? 23:33 < DarthLappy> Heh 23:33 < Kicko> baa :S 23:33 < Kicko> if i had time to fiddle around i would last time i tried to use it it was for a media centre and it anoyyed me alot 23:34 < Kicko> it hated my tuner card but i guess who\what doesnt hate ati 23:34 < DarthLappy> You need to read alot, and become self-sufficient 23:35 < Kicko> yea well ive had the ipl on my nano before no problems but now sefdisk is giving that lame error 23:35 < DarthLappy> ATi + Linux = Not good. Using it to install iPodLinux Wouldn't be hard to figure out 23:36 -!- courtc_ is now known as courtc 23:36 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-24-147-61-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:37 < Kicko> well its has nothing to do with my ability to install ipl ive done it before its just that aefdisk is giving me that error and i have no patience to wait a week for paragon on a torrent\ post a request for it i jus wondered if u knew of a different partitioning app i could use but u dont u could just say :S 23:38 < DarthLappy> The partitioning app is Linux :P 23:38 < Kicko> you just really dont like helping do you 23:38 < Kicko> i can tell 23:40 < DarthLappy> I don't like using Windows 23:40 -!- linuxstb_ [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:41 < DarthLappy> If I could find a good Linux distro with good cardbus + wireless support I'd be on it in a snap 23:42 < courtc> Kicko: right click it, properties, run in compatibility mode 23:42 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:46 < Kicko> sry i dont run linux darth :S 23:59 -!- lue_ [i=nisselue@185.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux --- Log closed Mon Jan 30 00:00:00 2006