--- Log opened Sat Jan 07 00:00:01 2006
00:02 < DDustin> good morning
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00:05 < Oleg_> aegray: Thanks! All I had to do was to enable SCSI disk support in my kernel and then after re-booting all I had to do was "mount /dev/sda2 /ipod"!
00:05 < Oleg_> wow
00:06 < aegray> cool
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00:28 < EnterUserName> does anyone here use ipodlinux with mythtv?
00:44 < linuxkernal> no sorry
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01:01 < josh_> 14:46 < BHSPitMonkey> josh_: ping
01:01 < josh_> ponnnng
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01:02 < boza111> hi all
01:03 < boza111> havn't been here for ages
01:03 < boza111> anyone still awake
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01:07 < X3|MintyMonkey> hello?
01:07 < josh_> veteran: ping
01:07 < X3|MintyMonkey> anyone got any ideas for compressing ipod videos so a 30 mb file doesnt turn outto be 1gig?
01:08 < boza111> doesn't work
01:08 < X3|MintyMonkey> ?
01:08 < boza111> the ipod can only play uncompressed videos
01:08 < X3|MintyMonkey> ohh
01:08 < boza111> since the cpu isnt fast enough
01:09 < X3|MintyMonkey> i see, that stinks
01:09 < boza111> and it doesnt have a proper graphics chip
01:09 < X3|MintyMonkey> well do u know if u could just compress it on ur comp
01:09 < X3|MintyMonkey> and then make it bigger
01:09 < X3|MintyMonkey> if u know waht i mean
01:09 < boza111> what do you mean
01:09 < boza111> lol no
01:09 < X3|MintyMonkey> hmm
01:09 < X3|MintyMonkey> say u have a 700mb file
01:09 < X3|MintyMonkey> .avi
01:10 < X3|MintyMonkey> so you go download a avi compressor for the comp version
01:10 < X3|MintyMonkey> and compress it
01:10 < TecnoVM64> the ipod won't uncompress it fast enough
01:10 < X3|MintyMonkey> then you convert that compressed file using ipod converter progg
01:10 < boza111> it still wont make much of a difference
01:10 < X3|MintyMonkey> i see
01:10 < X3|MintyMonkey> well
01:10 < X3|MintyMonkey> why not?
01:10 < X3|MintyMonkey> if u get a nice compressor
01:10 < X3|MintyMonkey> u could make it pretty small
01:11 < X3|MintyMonkey> although it would still be about 1 or 2 gigs
01:11 < boza111> if you make the screen size of the video smaller , they file should be smaller
01:11 < boza111> the
01:11 < X3|MintyMonkey> wuts the best program for doing that do u think?
01:11 < veteran> josh_, yes?
01:11 < X3|MintyMonkey> wuts the best program for doing that do u think?
01:11 < boza111> i don't know right now
01:11 < X3|MintyMonkey> oh
01:11 < boza111> do you use cygwin ?
01:11 < X3|MintyMonkey> how much do u think it would compress it?
01:11 < X3|MintyMonkey> neg
01:12 < boza111> what do you use
01:12 < X3|MintyMonkey> MoPid
01:12 < X3|MintyMonkey> for converting vids if thats what ur asking
01:12 < X3|MintyMonkey> and i guess it uses cygwin in a way
01:13 < josh_> veteran: did you add the "Forum Rules" to the posting page?
01:13 < X3|MintyMonkey> boza, how much you think resizing it would shrink the file size?
01:14 < veteran> josh_, the forums evolved
01:14 < boza111> i have no clue , you will have to try it out
01:14 < josh_> veteran: ah. how so?
01:14 < X3|MintyMonkey> ok
01:14 < josh_> new ver of phpbb?
01:14 < veteran> into a heap of whining noobs that need forum rules above each posting page :/
01:14 < josh_> ah yeah.
01:14 < veteran> so yes, i did. any problems with it?
01:14 < boza111> try using google to find a program that can resize videos :)
01:14 < josh_> no, it looks good to me
01:15 < veteran> it's very useful to copy/paste into the box below
01:15 < josh_> my only little tiny issue with it is it pushes the edit box semi-offscreen, which gets kind of annoying after a bunch of posts - but that's a small price to pay for eliminating some of the n00bage :-) also might be I'm just not used to the layout yet.
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01:18 < veteran> well, i guarantee i can make it worse ;)
01:18 * veteran remembers iPodXP
01:18 < josh_> haha
01:18 < josh_> no worries, it's good :-)
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01:19 < vet`afk> the bans will not begin until i'm back.
01:21 < boza111> yo guys anything interesting happened on IPL
01:22 < boza111> hey mintymonkey , are you still there ?
01:23 < X3|MintyMonkey> yeah
01:23 < X3|MintyMonkey> hey
01:24 < X3|MintyMonkey> boza111
01:24 < boza111> i just converted a video that was 2 minutes long , with a small screen
01:24 < X3|MintyMonkey> really?
01:24 < X3|MintyMonkey> how big was it?
01:24 < boza111> it was 10 mbs and now its about 15
01:24 < X3|MintyMonkey> awesome
01:24 < X3|MintyMonkey> what did u do?
01:24 < boza111> but thats in b and white
01:25 < X3|MintyMonkey> ohh
01:25 < boza111> do you need it in colour ?
01:25 < X3|MintyMonkey> :)
01:25 < X3|MintyMonkey> i like color
01:25 < X3|MintyMonkey> but i have a question
01:25 < boza111> one sec ill check how big it will be in colour
01:25 < boza111> yea
01:25 < X3|MintyMonkey> what is the size of the nano screen
01:25 < X3|MintyMonkey> so i can resize a vid
01:26 < boza111> hmm i cant tell u just like that , but it says it lots in the forum
01:26 < josh_> 176x132
01:26 < X3|MintyMonkey> tnx
01:28 < boza111> ok now its gone from 10 to 50
01:29 < X3|MintyMonkey> darn
01:29 < X3|MintyMonkey> thats alot bigger
01:29 < X3|MintyMonkey> im using dr.divx to try and reduce the size
01:30 < boza111> ok
01:30 < X3|MintyMonkey> hopefully it works
01:30 < X3|MintyMonkey> im using advent children :D
01:30 < boza111> yea it is a lot bigger
01:30 < boza111> :p
01:30 < X3|MintyMonkey> i dont see why
01:31 < X3|MintyMonkey> the iPL people dont just make it so their firmware support compression
01:31 < X3|MintyMonkey> i know its alot harder than it sounds though
01:31 < josh_> X3|MintyMonkey: Yes. It is.
01:31 < josh_> Really, really, really hard.
01:31 < X3|MintyMonkey> i just really want big movie on ipod though
01:31 < X3|MintyMonkey> im getting anxious
01:31 < josh_> well that's not going to change anything, unless you decide to learn programming and do it yourself (and trust me, you would have our greatest thanks if you did)
01:31 < josh_> otherwise, kindly stop complaining about it. thanks.
01:32 < X3|MintyMonkey> im not trying to complain sorry
01:32 < josh_> ok, understood, it just came across that way.
01:32 < boza111> well , the cpu is really not fast enough
01:32 < X3|MintyMonkey> yeh
01:33 < boza111> but the 5th gen ipod has a graphics chip , but no one can figure out how to get it to work
01:33 < TecnoVM64> j\k, are you there?
01:33 < X3|MintyMonkey> oh
01:34 < X3|MintyMonkey> is that why ipl aint in nice colors and such?
01:34 < boza111> but if someone will , compressed movies wont be a problem , so maybe divx would even work
01:34 < X3|MintyMonkey> yeah, there is some great hackers out there
01:34 < X3|MintyMonkey> i have a psp and its amazing some of the developers for it
01:34 < boza111> no ipl isnt in nice colours , coz no one really programmed nice colours for it :p
01:34 < X3|MintyMonkey> oh lol
01:35 < X3|MintyMonkey> well dr.divx is encoding atm
01:35 < boza111> although the themes are quite nice , try changing font and adding a gradient menu
01:35 < X3|MintyMonkey> so it is gonna take a while
01:35 < boza111> ok
01:36 < X3|MintyMonkey> so wait
01:36 < X3|MintyMonkey> what were u doing earlier to make the videos like that
01:36 < boza111> like what ?
01:36 < X3|MintyMonkey> like u got a video from 10 to 15
01:36 < X3|MintyMonkey> how?
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01:37 < boza111> oh . i told you i did it for the black and white ipods by mistake
01:37 < X3|MintyMonkey> oh
01:37 < X3|MintyMonkey> what ipod do u have?
01:38 < X3|MintyMonkey> waht if there was a way to make a zip thing for ipod
01:38 < X3|MintyMonkey> so u could have them zipped
01:38 < X3|MintyMonkey> sections
01:38 < X3|MintyMonkey> of a vid
01:38 < X3|MintyMonkey> and then just unzip if u wanna use
01:38 < X3|MintyMonkey> and rezip others
01:39 < BHSPitMonkey> "josh_ : ponnnng"
01:39 < BHSPitMonkey> pang
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01:40 < boza111> i have a 3gen
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01:40 < sixo> hello
01:40 < kboal> Hi, I am getting an error when trying to compile the ipodeth1394 module. I have kernel 2.6.12.
01:40 < kboal> [root@localhost 2.6]# make
01:40 < kboal> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.12-1.1376_FC3/build SUBDIRS=/tools/ipodeth1394/2.6 modules
01:40 < kboal> make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.12-1.1376_FC3/build'
01:40 < kboal> CC [M] /tools/ipodeth1394/2.6/ipodeth1394.o
01:41 < kboal> make[2]: *** [/tools/ipodeth1394/2.6/ipodeth1394.o] Error 1
01:41 < kboal> make[1]: *** [_module_/tools/ipodeth1394/2.6] Error 2
01:41 < kboal> make[1]: Leaving directory `/lib/modules/2.6.12-1.1376_FC3/build'
01:41 < kboal> make: *** [default] Error 2
01:41 < sixo> how do you exactly install this?
01:41 < BHSPitMonkey> kboal: stop
01:41 < BHSPitMonkey> not in here, kboal
01:41 < kboal> Sorry
01:41 < kboal> Which channel?
01:41 < BHSPitMonkey> kboal: sounds like you've finished.
01:42 < BHSPitMonkey> #ipodlinux.flood
01:42 < BHSPitMonkey> sixo: www.ipodlinux.org <---all questions answered
01:42 < BHSPitMonkey> see topic.
01:42 < sixo> im looking
01:42 < sixo> not seeing from what i gathered i send you my ipod and you install, tht doesnt sound correct though
01:42 < BHSPitMonkey> absolutely not.
01:43 < BHSPitMonkey> nothing on there should lead you to believe that, either
01:43 < BHSPitMonkey> sixo: are you familiar with linux as a pc operating system
01:43 < sixo> i have use it
01:43 < sixo> used*
01:43 < BHSPitMonkey> what's your generation of ipod
01:44 < sixo> 4G
01:44 < sixo> color screen
01:44 < BHSPitMonkey> do you have linux available, or just windows
01:44 < sixo> win
01:44 < BHSPitMonkey> you can look at some of the unofficial 4G installers at the bottom of ipodlinux.org/Installation
01:45 < sixo> thanks
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01:52 < kboal> I have to compile the ieee1394 driver before I can build the ipodeth module correct?
01:52 < DarthLappy> Hmm, I know there's no Nano support, but could someone maybe help?
01:53 < kboal> With?
01:54 < BHSPitMonkey> my nano's supported by my mad skills
01:54 < DarthLappy> I used JohnnyWest's installer, and when I reboot into IPL it has the podzilla error, so how do I go back and copy? Disk mode and standard f/w won't let me view the iPod as a drive.
01:55 < BHSPitMonkey> DarthLappy: hp format utility, search the forums
01:55 < BHSPitMonkey> err
01:55 < BHSPitMonkey> are the forums still around?
01:55 < DarthLappy> I have that...
01:55 < BHSPitMonkey> mmk
01:55 < DarthLappy> Does it let me access the iPod to stick the files on again?
01:55 < BHSPitMonkey> 1) wipe ipod clean
01:55 < BHSPitMonkey> 2) get linux
01:55 < BHSPitMonkey> 3) install properly
01:55 < DarthLappy> :/
01:56 < DarthLappy> Oook...
01:56 < BHSPitMonkey> ;)
01:56 < BHSPitMonkey> so are ipods big in australia? :P
01:56 < DarthLappy> And any way without going to Linux?
01:57 < BHSPitMonkey> DarthLappy: linux is the only surefire way to go, i've not heard of a working windows method on the nano
01:57 < DarthLappy> Many people at school have them.
01:57 < DarthLappy> Why won't it let me copy after installing? Does something happen in the installation?
01:57 < BHSPitMonkey> yes
01:58 < BHSPitMonkey> the partition structure is changed
01:58 < DarthLappy> Therefore no access?
01:58 < BHSPitMonkey> the windows installers tend to botch up an ipod like that, yes
01:58 < DarthLappy> Ah
01:59 < DarthLappy> I won't have a Linux computer available 'til later today.
01:59 < DarthLappy> :(
02:00 < BHSPitMonkey> drats
02:00 < BHSPitMonkey> that long?
02:00 < BHSPitMonkey> :P
02:00 * BleuLlama trying to figure out code he wrote in 2001
02:00 < DarthLappy> Lol nice
02:02 * BHSPitMonkey can't even decipher handwriting he wrote in 2001
02:02 < DarthLappy> Lol!
02:02 * BHSPitMonkey or s/2001/2005
02:02 < DarthLappy> Is there any way to manually install from Winders?
02:02 < BHSPitMonkey> DarthLappy: nope
02:03 < BHSPitMonkey> not for now at least
02:03 < DarthLappy> :(
02:03 * DarthLappy heads over to the Wiki
02:03 < BHSPitMonkey> possible to build the firmware partition and all that goodness, the problem is the root filesystem for linux
02:03 < BHSPitMonkey> no ext compatibility (yet) on windows
02:03 < DarthLappy> Ah yes
02:04 < josh_> DarthLappy: you can try to wing it with the rawpod tools, but nobody's actually used them yet :-)
02:04 < josh_> also, I don't think they support untarring archives or anything... mainly intended for post-install custimization.
02:04 * BHSPitMonkey catches josh_ in oversized butterfly net
02:04 < josh_> also, they're really, really, really, really slow.
02:04 < josh_> BHSPitMonkey: yes?
02:04 < BHSPitMonkey> got ya.
02:04 < BHSPitMonkey> had some problems with ipodloader2 when i added a config file :S
02:05 < josh_> did it work before that?
02:05 < BHSPitMonkey> yup
02:05 < josh_> what happens now?
02:05 < BHSPitMonkey> it will only work now if my config file's not present
02:05 < josh_> where did you put your config file?
02:05 < BHSPitMonkey> 2nd part.
02:05 < josh_> what name?
02:05 < BHSPitMonkey> (FAT32)
02:05 < BHSPitMonkey> loader.cfg
02:05 < josh_> what's in it? (pastebin or .flood)
02:06 < josh_> BHSPitMonkey: any relation between you and X3|MintyMonkey?
02:06 < BHSPitMonkey> nope
02:06 < josh_> 18:05 < josh_> what's in it? (pastebin or .flood)
02:06 < BHSPitMonkey> yeah
02:07 < BHSPitMonkey> i only have it saved on the ipod, i'm mounting it and such
02:07 < josh_> ok, cool.
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02:40 < fxb^off> hi
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02:41 < BHSPitMonkey> hi
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02:42 < boza111> so anything interesting happening on IPL ? anyone ?
02:45 < BHSPitMonkey> what's not interesting about iPL?
02:45 < boza111> lol
02:46 < boza111> i mean , have their been any new good progs recently
02:46 < BHSPitMonkey> define recent.
02:47 < boza111> ok , hmm what are the latest 2 apps made
02:47 < BHSPitMonkey> uhh
02:47 < boza111> ok i guess not that interesting :p
02:47 < BHSPitMonkey> why don't you just svn up the source tree, build, and see for yourself.
02:48 < boza111> ahh , there just usually fixes , stuff like that in there
02:48 < BHSPitMonkey> ?
02:48 < boza111> do you use podzilla2 , i havnt tried it
02:48 < BHSPitMonkey> of course i do
02:48 < BHSPitMonkey> it's 2 more than podzilla0
02:49 < BHSPitMonkey> :D
02:49 < boza111> :P
02:49 < boza111> is it good ? what can it fo
02:49 < boza111> do*
02:49 < BHSPitMonkey> build it!
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02:49 < fxb_> can't create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv16570
02:49 < fxb_> No space left on device
02:50 < fxb_> is that a server error?
02:50 < BHSPitMonkey> fxb_: huh?
02:50 < BHSPitMonkey> when doing what?
02:50 < boza111> cant build it right now , my ipod is messed up i need a new hdd
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02:50 < fxb_> it always happens when i checkout from cvs
02:50 < BHSPitMonkey> boza111: build it for your desktop
02:50 < BHSPitMonkey> fxb_: i cvs'd yesterday, no problems here
02:51 < BHSPitMonkey> fxb_: what are you trying to pull out?
02:51 < fxb_> microwindows
02:51 < boza111> oh , yea i might do , but in that case i will need to reconfigure my cygwin , no time for that right now :)
02:51 < fxb_> i googled and found out, that it must be: the cvs server run out of space
02:51 < fxb_> but im not sure
02:51 < BHSPitMonkey> is microwindows on iPL's cvs server?
02:51 < fxb_> i will just wait...
02:52 < fxb_> yes...
02:52 < BHSPitMonkey> i thought you get that from microwindows' site
02:52 < fxb_> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ipodlinux co tools/microwindows
02:52 < fxb_> ^^
02:53 < fxb_> grml...
02:53 < virtualball> I have a question about how to build PZ2
02:53 < BHSPitMonkey> attempting a desktop build, fxb_ ?
02:53 < fxb_> yes...
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02:53 < BHSPitMonkey> i've only built it in linux, sorry
02:53 < fxb_> i just want to start iPL Programming
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02:53 < virtualball> Josh said to build SDL, is that the SDL from the building SDL page or is there something different
02:54 < BHSPitMonkey> fxb_: if you're serious at all about iPL programming, i highly recommend you start using linux then
02:54 < fxb_> i am using linux...
02:54 < virtualball> whats wrong with Mac?
02:54 < BHSPitMonkey> fxb_: what howto are you using??
02:54 < fxb_> http://ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla_%28legacy%29
02:55 < fxb_> i've done it before, many times
02:55 < josh_> virtualball: that's SDL for the desktop
02:55 < BHSPitMonkey> fxb_: there's no point in developing for legacy podzilla anymore, really
02:55 < fxb_> :) k
02:55 < fxb_> then i will try to build pz2 now :D
02:56 < BHSPitMonkey> and building podzilla2 for desktop is a lot more painless too :D
02:56 < virtualball> josh_, so what do i do to build it, is it on the wiki?
02:56 < fxb_> virtualball: http://ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla
02:57 < virtualball> ok thanks
02:58 < virtualball> ok, but how do i get the SL_image and SDL things installed?
02:58 < josh_> virtualball: no, it's a standard application.
02:58 < josh_> you can get it with fink or something.
02:58 < josh_> s/application/librar/y
02:59 < BHSPitMonkey> heh
02:59 < josh_> s|librar/y|library|
02:59 < josh_> s|$|/|
02:59 < virtualball> from where? I feel like an idiot lol
02:59 * josh_ cnat tpye
02:59 < virtualball> lmao
02:59 < josh_> virtualball: same place you get any other app...
02:59 < BHSPitMonkey> josh_: :D
02:59 < virtualball> ok thanks
02:59 < josh_> try libsdl.org
02:59 < virtualball> thank you! lol
03:02 < virtualball> ok, do i get the SDL 1.2.8 Runtime library or Development Library?
03:02 < fxb_> dev^^ i think...
03:03 < josh_> both
03:03 < josh_> er wait
03:03 < josh_> what OS?
03:03 < virtualball> ok thanks, i never had this much trouble with PZL, why does everyone say it is easier then the latter one?
03:03 < virtualball> Mac OS X
03:04 < josh_> eh, I'd say both.
03:04 < virtualball> ok thanks
03:04 < josh_> answer to your question: because pzl required about a dozen dependencies, pz2 has *two* (that aren't in the svn repository)
03:04 < josh_> gettext and SDL
03:04 < Oleg_> oops, I disconnected my ipod without unmounting it first
03:04 < Oleg_> is it bad?
03:04 < josh_> Oleg_: it should be fine, unless you were just writing something to it.
03:04 < BHSPitMonkey> if you data was being written
03:04 < BHSPitMonkey> a sasdh
03:05 * BHSPitMonkey "cnat tyoe" either
03:05 < Oleg_> no, no data was being written
03:05 < BHSPitMonkey> damn!
03:05 * BHSPitMonkey gives up typing altogether
03:05 < virtualball> lmao again
03:08 < virtualball> Well i downloaded both, i moved the frameworks and installed the pkg and it still doesn't work
03:09 < BHSPitMonkey> frameworks = THE best show ever
03:09 < BHSPitMonkey>
03:10 < BHSPitMonkey> virtualball: what's your distro?
03:10 < virtualball> disto of what?
03:10 < virtualball> Mac, TTK, GCC, SDL?
03:11 < BHSPitMonkey> oh, you're on mac
03:11 < BHSPitMonkey> i forgot
03:11 < BHSPitMonkey> lol
03:11 < josh_> virtualball: what does "sdl-config --cflags --libs" report?
03:11 < josh_> (from terminal)
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03:11 < virtualball> ya, i would have Linux, but theres that problem with Ubantu that makes it not work
03:11 < virtualball> lemme try josh
03:12 < BHSPitMonkey> virtualball: then i'd say don't use ubuntu :P
03:12 < virtualball> sdl-config: command not found
03:12 < virtualball> BHSPitMonkey, duh lol, what high school do you goto, I goto a BHS too lol
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03:13 < BHSPitMonkey> one in the DFW area.
03:14 < josh_> 19:12 < virtualba> sdl-config: command not found
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03:14 < josh_> try installing SDL with fink
03:14 < josh_> do you have fink?
03:14 < virtualball> ya
03:14 < josh_> use it
03:14 < virtualball> i have the SDL 1.2.8 from the site and used that sdl-config
03:14 < virtualball> it says
03:14 < josh_> and gettext too
03:14 < virtualball> -I/usr/include/SDL -D_THREAD_SAFE
03:14 < virtualball> -L/usr/lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -framework Cocoa -framework OpenGL
03:14 < josh_> looks fine to me
03:15 < josh_> is sdl-config in your $PATH?
03:15 < virtualball> no
03:16 < josh_> you need it to be.
03:17 < virtualball> i moved it to the bin folder and it still says that it isnt found
03:17 < aegray> ls
03:18 < virtualball> ok
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03:18 < virtualball> ya sdl-config is in there
03:22 < veteran> has that Ranix kid ever been in IRC?
03:22 < virtualball> eh nevermind il figure it out later
03:22 < virtualball> veteran, i hope not, he really annoys me
03:24 < veteran> i just pm'd him a warning, but I think it wasn't harsh enough.
03:25 < josh_> veteran: I already tried, but mine definitely wasn't harsh enough.
03:25 < veteran> well....
03:25 < josh_> "Please stop using your "n00b form". It creates more problems that it solves, it's really rude, and it angers people unnecessarily. We don't want to raise the forum temperature that much. "
03:25 < veteran> deleting his username will only deprive him of 8 days worth of posts
03:25 < veteran> (yes, he's posted 124 posts worth of crap in 8 days)
03:25 < josh_> > "Sure, no problem man.... Let it just be known that it could be a wonderful new form that will save everyone from n00bs. "
03:25 < josh_> wow.
03:26 < veteran> a wonderful new form?
03:26 < virtualball> wow, has he done ANYTHING for iPL yet?
03:26 < josh_> >> [ "Let it just be known that it could be a wonderful new form" ] . . . that will make us moderators go insane and turn all our users against us. No thanks.
03:26 < veteran> is that like, an with css styling?
03:26 < josh_> haha
03:26 < josh_> >>>
03:26 < josh_> er
03:26 < josh_> >>> "How will it make mods go insane? "
03:27 < josh_> >>>> "Trying to deal with all the crap they result in. Even if you think the forms are fair - which I don't - you can't deny they produce a lot of really annoyed responses, which we have to clean up. "
03:27 < josh_> >>>>> "Oh, I guess if I looked from someone elses view, I would see that I would be angry at that person. Can we be friends? Please? " (emphasis added)
03:27 < josh_> Um... no.
03:28 < virtualball> lmao
03:29 * veteran counts the number of times that forms is spelled "forums" on the site
03:32 < virtualball> i g2g, thanks for your help you guys!
03:32 < virtualball> ^^that was meant in a good tone
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03:33 < josh_> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ not true :-)
03:33 < BHSPitMonkey> how often does the word "forms" even come up?
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03:34 < imphasing> When you're writing out a form?
03:35 < BHSPitMonkey> imphasing: ok? so go to the forum for me and count the occurances of that scenario
03:37 < imphasing> I wasn't speaking in the context of a forum, merely filling out a form.
03:37 < imphasing> :D
03:48 < fxb_> make[1]: arm-uclinux-elf-gcc: Kommando nicht gefunden = Command not found
03:48 < fxb_> do i have to add something to the path? and how do i?
03:49 < fxb_> i installed the 3.4.3 toolchain^^
03:49 < veteran> josh_, delete flames at will from now on
03:49 < veteran> and, questions that have been asked before, and are obviously answered elsewhere
03:50 < veteran> i usually send a PM before deleting though, that quickly says "please search the forums before you post, your question has been answered elsewhere"
03:50 < veteran> your hours are 8am-6pm central, you are expected to take 30 minutes for lunch at 12.
03:50 < veteran> any questions?
03:52 < aegray> what's his salary?
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03:53 < tahpot> nano : unable to see it in dmesg after installing ipod linux - any ideas?
03:53 < veteran> salary? ha!
03:54 < tahpot> saying "yes" to enter disk mode when prompted by podzilla just displays the apple logo and get nothing else
03:54 < aegray> put it in diskmode with key combinations
03:55 < aegray> yea yes to diskmode doesn't work on nano
03:55 < tahpot> so i do what exactly?
03:55 < aegray> `diskmode
03:55 < iplbot> diskmode is reboot, then immediately, when the ipod turns on again (apple logo appears), press and hold <=3g: ff+rew >=4g: play+center [from aegray]
03:56 < tahpot> ah yes i'd been doing that successfully, while trying to install ipodlinux
03:57 < aegray> that should work
03:57 < imphasing> I wouldn't mind a salary for deleting posts...
03:57 < tahpot> ... but now once ipodlinux is installed it still just displays apple logo and can't see it still
03:57 < imphasing> I could leave little "memos" in their PM folder too
03:57 < tahpot> hmmm.. :/
03:59 < aegray> tahpot: keep doing that until it gets to diskmode
03:59 < aegray> then it should connect
04:01 < fxb_> fxb@Vigor10:~/ipodlinux/ttk> make
04:01 < fxb_> >>> Building TTK...
04:01 < fxb_> make -C build/ipod-sdl IPOD=1 SDL=1 all
04:01 < fxb_> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/fxb/ipodlinux/ttk/build/ipod-sdl'
04:01 < fxb_> arm-uclinux-elf-gcc -g -I. -Wall -Wno-unused -Wno-implicit -Wno-char-subscripts -DIPOD -DNO_TF -DSDL -I../sdlincludes -c -o ttk.o ttk.c
04:01 < fxb_> make[1]: arm-uclinux-elf-gcc: Command not found
04:01 < fxb_> make[1]: *** [ttk.o] Error 127
04:01 < fxb_> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/fxb/ipodlinux/ttk/build/ipod-sdl'
04:01 < fxb_> make: *** [all] Error 2
04:01 < fxb_> -.-
04:01 < fxb_> :/
04:01 < aegray> maybe you should......
04:01 < aegray> install the toolchain
04:01 < fxb_> but i installed it , grml...
04:02 < aegray> then its not in your path
04:02 < aegray> obviously
04:02 < fxb_> how do i add it to my path???
04:02 < aegray> what system?
04:02 < fxb_> linux
04:02 < fxb_> suse 9.3
04:02 < aegray> export PATH=whatever:$PATH
04:02 < fxb_> thx
04:03 < veteran> hm maybe we could modify spamassassin's filters into more of a noobassassin script (if x percent of a message is in capitals, increase its score, etc)
04:03 < tahpot> aegray : its definately not going into it... i was successfully getting into it before, but can't now
04:03 < aegray> veteran: :)
04:03 < veteran> or maybe we could just hire a noob assassin.
04:03 < aegray> tahpot: keep trying - theres almost no way that ipl screws up the flash
04:03 < aegray> otherwise - its a hardware problem - which I doubt
04:03 < tahpot> i only want to mount the device because ipodlinux can't see the large partition, browsing filesystem just shows me linux partition
04:04 < aegray> even in /mnt?
04:04 < tahpot> i'm also unable to boot into the old ipod os by holding down left while booting
04:04 < tahpot> aegray: yes even in /mnt - its empty
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04:05 < aegray> fun fun
04:05 < fxb_> is arm-uclinux-elf-gcc the same as arm-elf-gcc?
04:06 < aegray> o
04:06 < aegray> no
04:06 < aegray> its a newer version
04:06 < aegray> `toolchain
04:06 < iplbot> toolchain is what we use to compile apps for the iPod. Check out http://www.ipodlinux.org/Toolchain for specifics. Newer gcc 3.4.3-based toolchain, with locale support, at http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/toolchain/. [from aegray]
04:06 < aegray> second link
04:06 < fxb_> i installed the 3.4.3 toolchain
04:06 < aegray> then its not in your path
04:06 < aegray> like i said
04:06 < fxb_> but i cant find any arm-uclinux-elf-gcc
04:06 < aegray> /usr/local/arm-uc.....
04:07 < fxb_> there is a /usr/local/arm-uclinux-tools2
04:07 < fxb_> found it :)
04:08 < aegray> add the whatever/bin to your path
04:08 < aegray> whatever being /usr/local/arm-uclinux-tool....
04:08 < fxb_> done
04:08 < fxb_> /usr/local/arm-uclinux-tools2/bin
04:09 < fxb_> k, now i will have to install flex or something...
04:09 * aegray afk
04:10 < fxb_> puh,that was easy...
04:22 < fxb_> mmh, make can't find SDL_image.h even if i reinstall it with YaST
04:22 < fxb_> again something with the path?
04:24 < fxb_> k, i'm going to bed now... 5:24...
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04:35 < DarthLappy> Arg...Evil laptop.
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04:42 < Ps3rules27> yo
04:42 < Ps3rules27> was wonderin if any1 got video to work on a ipod photo ?
04:43 < BHSPitMonkey> why, what have you heard?
04:43 < Ps3rules27> nothin
04:43 < Ps3rules27> i was j/w if you could..
04:44 < BHSPitMonkey> sure.
04:44 < Ps3rules27> then i dont have to go buy another ipod cause apple really ripped me off on this photo
04:44 < Ps3rules27> lol
04:44 < Ps3rules27> $499 my ass
04:45 < BHSPitMonkey> it's not like having a 5G, iPL can only play uncompressed avi at the moment
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04:49 < Ps3rules27> ah ok
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05:10 < DarthLappy> BHSPitMonkey, Ya there?
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05:23 * DarthLappy throws a rock at BHSPitMonkey
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05:26 < Ramzi22> hmm im trying to make a backup of my ipod with dd in linux and it doesnt seem to be working, i backed up the MBR, withh dd /dev/sda, and i can mount and view my files on /dev/sda2 but when i try and dd /dev/sda1 i get this error "dd: opening '/dev/sda1': No such file or directory"
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05:44 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/lithp/ (eval.c lists.c lithp.h pzwrap.c): The wrapper module side is pretty much done. Need to add in graphics routines into the lithp side. For some reason, the Lisp calls get called twice from the pz event loop. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/636)
05:45 < DarthLappy> Hehe, lithp :P
05:48 < DarthLappy> Yay! I IPL'd my Nano finally
05:55 < DarthLappy> I don't seem to be able to play my music...
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06:04 < DarthLappy> Meh, my fault :P
06:04 < Mr_Milenko> its always your fault
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06:17 < X3|MintyMonkey> anyone here?
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06:19 < aegray> BHSPitMonkey: ping
06:20 < DarthLappy> Mr_Milenko, I know :(
06:24 < aegray> fdsafdsafdsafdsafdsafjdsklafjdslkafjdslakfjdslkafjdslkajfdlksafjdsafdsajfkdsal
06:24 < aegray> whoops
06:24 < aegray> stupid terminal
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06:26 < imphasing> lol..
06:27 < aegray> its like it won't update until I press a million buttons then sit for 3 minutes
06:27 < aegray> damn lag
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06:28 < aegray_> damn straight
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06:29 < aegray> woh... http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5258
06:38 < tcrab> yea...
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06:42 < amonkey> Anyone home?
06:43 < imphasing> no.
06:43 < amonkey> clever
06:43 < imphasing> I know, right?
06:43 < imphasing> It took me a while to think of that one.
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06:44 < amonkey> i noticed
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06:44 < aegray> NO
06:44 < iplbot> No.
06:45 < aegray> `echo me
06:45 < aegray> hello
06:45 < aegray> `echo is shutup
06:45 < aegray> `echo
06:45 < aegray> :)
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06:45 < josh_> aegray: now whenever the person named "is" sends it something, the person named "shutup" gets it
06:45 < aegray> hehe
06:45 < josh_> however, the handler for that isn't in the privmsg code, so it'll only work if "is" is a channel
06:46 < josh_> but
06:46 < josh_> `echo #ipodlinux josh_
06:46 < josh_> hello
06:46 < josh_> works
06:46 < josh_> 22:46 < josh_> hello
06:46 < josh_> 22:46 < josh_> works
06:46 < josh_> `unecho
06:46 < josh_> `echo #ipodlinux #ipodlinux
06:46 < josh_> :-)
06:46 < iplbot> < josh_> :-)
06:46 < josh_> `unecho
06:46 < iplbot> < josh_> `unecho
06:47 < amonkey> what's the proper way to eject from linux? on the linux install wiki it says unload the firewire driver, but i'm on usb
06:48 < aegray> unmount
06:48 < aegray> then you can try eject /dev/whatever
06:48 < aegray> but it doesn't work on a lot of systems
06:48 < aegray> just unplug
06:48 < amonkey> seems so dirty
06:48 < amonkey> but so is most of linux
06:48 < DarthLappy> The touchpad is so fiddly
06:48 < DarthLappy> :/
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07:31 < Niles> hello
07:31 < aegray> hello
07:31 < Niles> coincedince
07:32 < aegray> hrm?
07:32 < Niles> want to hear a sad story?
07:32 < aegray> sure
07:32 < Niles> I bough an iPod mini off trade me for $300, trademe i9s like ebay but in new zealand.
07:32 -!- Vanquish2r [n=vanquish@208-58-242-38.s38.tnt2.atnnj.pa.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #ipodlinux
07:32 < Niles> and my dad paid for it and i was going to pay him back
07:33 < Niles> and i had 275 bucks in my wallet
07:33 < Niles> and then my money went missing
07:33 < Niles> lifes a bitch
07:33 < aegray> spend it on drugs?
07:33 < Niles> nope
07:33 < aegray> in a trippy haze?
07:33 < Niles> i actually lost it
07:33 < Niles> or it got stolen
07:33 < aegray> not good
07:33 < Niles> im 14
07:33 < aegray> don't do drugs
07:33 < aegray> drugs are bafd
07:33 < aegray> bad*
07:34 < Niles> mmmkay
07:34 < aegray> damn right
07:35 < Niles> anyway, i have a choice, either sell my iPod when it arrives and loose 300 bucks out of it, or pay my parents again and pay 600 bucks for an iPod mini
07:35 < Niles> or i meet bill gates in this chat room
07:35 < Niles> and he gives me 5 billion because he feels sorry for me
07:35 < Niles> does anyone have his email address????
07:35 < aegray> bgates@microsoft.com
07:35 < aegray> or bill.gates@microsoft.com
07:35 < Niles> w00t
07:36 < Niles> which one?
07:36 < Niles> lol, im not that naive
07:36 < aegray> don't remember which
07:36 < aegray> they changed over their system about two years ago
07:36 < Niles> it b.gates
07:37 < Niles> ive played him on xbox live ^_^
07:37 < aegray> i doubt that
07:37 < aegray> severly
07:37 < Niles> and i gave him my number...
07:37 < aegray> severely
07:37 < Niles> but he never called
07:37 < aegray> trying to get a date?
07:37 < aegray> awe
07:38 < Niles> it was 555-DATE-BILL
07:39 < Niles> want to read a sad story that i wrote on my blog?
07:39 < aegray> link
07:39 < Niles> http://gilest.blogspot.com/2006/01/telecom-broadband-blues.html
07:39 < Niles> http://gilest.blogspot.com/
07:40 < Niles> i know where you liveeeee
07:40 < aegray> me?
07:40 < aegray> where
07:40 < Niles> wait
07:41 < Niles> fucking dialup
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07:42 < Niles> found you
07:42 < Niles> using linux, you little beuty
07:42 < Niles> VISITOR ANALYSIS
07:42 < Niles> Referring Link No referring link
07:42 < Niles> Host Name d154-5-166-128.bchsia.telus.net
07:42 < Niles> IP Address 154.5.166.128
07:42 < Niles> Country Canada
07:42 < Niles> Region British Columbia
07:42 < Niles> City Vancouver
07:42 < Niles> ISP Telus Corporation
07:42 < Niles> Returning Visits 0
07:42 < Niles> Visit Length 0 seconds
07:42 < aegray> thats not right
07:42 < aegray> sorry
07:42 < Niles> VISITOR SYSTEM SPECS
07:42 < Niles> Browser Firefox 1.0
07:42 < aegray> not even close
07:42 < Niles> Operating System Linux
07:42 < Niles> Resolution 1280x1024
07:42 < Niles> Javascript Enabled
07:42 < Niles> Resolution 1280x1024
07:42 < aegray> so far off
07:42 < Niles> Javascript Enabled
07:42 < Niles> must have been a /.er
07:43 < BleuLlama> Niles: quit it
07:43 < aegray> /.er?
07:43 < aegray> i doubt you got slashdotted
07:43 < Niles> was it USA with linux?
07:43 < aegray> maybe
07:43 < Niles> Gurnee, Illinos
07:43 < aegray> you realize a /whois aegray would have given you the same thing
07:43 < Niles> shitty
07:44 < Niles> i felt special
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07:44 < Niles> anyway, did you like my blog
07:45 < Niles> some random canadian who also has linux clicked that link
07:45 < aegray> anyone on a 4g wanna test me a kernel?
07:46 < Niles> they can't hear you
07:46 < aegray> huh?
07:47 < Niles> im going to leave now
07:47 < aegray> have fun with that
07:47 < Niles> ill make it interesting
07:47 < aegray> ok...
07:47 < Niles> cock shit arse tits tampon bitch retard fat turd with cancer
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07:49 < aegray> anyone? test a kernel?
07:49 < josh_> what kind of 4g?
07:49 < aegray> anykind that has the same audio scheme as the photo
07:49 < josh_> only have a b&w one
07:49 < aegray> perfect :)
07:49 < aegray> i think
07:50 < josh_> ok, what should I be expecting?
07:50 < aegray> http://www.aegray.com/web/linux.bin
07:50 < aegray> messed up audio
07:50 < aegray> but...
07:50 < aegray> if i can get something to go from the command line and try to play audio that'd be good
07:50 < aegray> because then you could see the printks
07:50 < aegray> lemme see if i can whip something up
07:51 < josh_> ok, that's good, since I don't have any audio-playing pz's :-)
07:51 < aegray> hehe
07:52 < aegray> O_WRONLY = 1 right?
07:58 < josh_> yeah
07:58 < josh_> O_RDONLY = 0, O_RDWR = 2
08:01 < aegray> void * p;
08:01 < aegray> p += 3;
08:01 < aegray> is that valid?
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08:01 < aegray> nm i'll figure it out
08:01 < josh_> no, it isn't
08:01 < josh_> char *q = (char *)p;
08:02 < josh_> q += 3;
08:02 < aegray> hrmmmmm
08:02 < josh_> p = (void *)q;
08:02 < aegray> its in podzilla :O
08:02 < josh_> where?
08:02 < aegray> oss.c
08:02 < josh_> hah, wow.
08:02 < aegray> 109-115
08:02 < aegray> didn't think you could do that
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08:16 < aegray> josh_: still ehre?
08:16 < aegray> here*
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08:19 < aegray> hrm...
08:19 < josh_> yep
08:19 < aegray> can you look at this for me and tell me if anything seems wrong?
08:19 < josh_> sorry, I have a qt API reference open and it's covering the irc window.
08:19 < josh_> sure
08:19 < josh_> link?
08:19 < aegray> http://www.aegray.com/web/play.c
08:19 < aegray> its getting fd fine
08:19 < aegray> but printing errno = 9
08:19 < aegray> bad file descriptor
08:19 < aegray> :(
08:20 < josh_> I think you need O_RDWR for most ioctls
08:20 < josh_> bad file descriptor can also mean "not open for the right mode"
08:20 < josh_> besides, why use the constant - why not just say O_RDWR or O_WRONLY or whatever?
08:20 < aegray> i didn't have the include before
08:20 < josh_> ah
08:20 < josh_> change that to O_RDWR, see if it works.
08:21 < aegray> nope
08:21 < aegray> :/
08:21 < josh_> hrm, idk then.
08:21 < josh_> nothing looks wrong to me
08:21 < josh_> are you doing this on iPod or desktop?
08:21 < aegray> desktop
08:22 < josh_> do you have perms on the audio dev?
08:22 < BleuLlama> okay. time for me to go to sleep
08:22 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/lithp/ (5 files): Most graphics routines working. (try loading "sample01.lsp" via the browser.) (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/637)
08:22 < BleuLlama> night all
08:22 < aegray> would it matter if i don't ahve oss emulation compiled in ?
08:23 < aegray> night bleu
08:23 < josh_> aegray: idk... don't think so
08:23 < josh_> what call is failing?
08:24 < aegray> write
08:24 < josh_> the ioctl is working?
08:24 < aegray> yea...
08:24 < aegray> hold on heres something...
08:25 < aegray> oh nm
08:25 < aegray> <--- idjut
08:25 < josh_> fread(buffer, sizeof(buffer[0]), sizeof(buffer), f) will read too much when buffer is anything but char*
08:25 < aegray> yea
08:25 < aegray> just realized that
08:26 < josh_> replace sizeof(buffer[0]) with 1 or replace sizeof(buffer) with sizeof(buffer)/sizeof(buffer[0])
08:26 < aegray> just did
08:28 < aegray> eh good eough
08:28 < aegray> enough*
08:28 < josh_> work now>?
08:29 < josh_> `todos for me
08:29 < iplbot> Your issues: (#11) hd<->ttk integration, (#13) gradient bar thing, (#16) document ttk's HD and C++ stuff, (#17) make a clone wrapper module, (#21) module management thingy, ...
08:29 < aegray> http://www.aegray.com/web/play
08:29 < aegray> put that on your ipod
08:29 < aegray> in rc
08:29 < aegray> /path/to/play somewavfile
08:29 < aegray> after:
08:29 < aegray> sleep someamount
08:29 < aegray> see what gets printed
08:29 < josh_> should I try it on a 5g too?
08:29 < aegray> no probably not
08:29 < josh_> (not with that kernel, just to test audio on 5g)
08:29 < aegray> audio isn't the same on 5g
08:29 < aegray> this isn't to test audio mostly
08:30 < aegray> kinda/not really'
08:30 < aegray> if it plays anything, it will play a clicking over and over again
08:30 < josh_> do I even need to specify a wav?
08:30 < aegray> yea
08:30 < josh_> does the actual wav matter?
08:30 < aegray> i can change that if you want
08:30 < aegray> no
08:30 < josh_> can I do /dev/null? :_)
08:30 < aegray> it just eeds a file to read and play
08:30 < aegray> sure
08:30 < josh_> drat, your linux.bin is frozen at the very end
08:30 < aegray> do /dev/random
08:31 < aegray> frozen?
08:31 < josh_> 99% [++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ] 1,637,688 --.--K/s
08:31 < aegray> hehe
08:31 < aegray> restart
08:31 < josh_> I did. Twice.
08:31 < josh_> how big is it?
08:31 < aegray> wtf
08:31 < aegray> 1612kb
08:31 < josh_> bytes?
08:31 < aegray> aegray@aegray.com's password:
08:31 < aegray> Image 100% 1612KB 52.0KB/s 00:31
08:32 < josh_> oremanj@xenon /home/oremanj/dl % du -sk linux.bin
08:32 < josh_> 1600 linux.bin
08:32 < josh_> !good
08:32 < josh_> oh well :-(
08:32 < aegray> ipodlinux.sf.net/linux.bin
08:32 < aegray> not yet
08:33 < aegray> and.......
08:33 < aegray> now!
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08:34 < aegray> heh alias rm="rm -i"
08:34 < aegray> safety first
08:35 < josh_> testing...
08:36 < josh_> (I used /dev/zero)
08:36 < josh_> Wrote 8192 bytes
08:36 < aegray> k
08:36 < josh_> nine times
08:36 < josh_> right after one another
08:36 < josh_> then freezes
08:36 < aegray> freezes?
08:36 < aegray> :)
08:36 < josh_> (I had an echo ---------- after the command and it didn't get there.)
08:36 < aegray> any sound coming out of headphones?
08:36 < josh_> ah, didn't check that.
08:36 * josh_ DOH.
08:37 < aegray> no prob
08:37 < aegray> i don't think there will be anything
08:37 < aegray> something should be printing if printk echoes on terminal
08:37 < aegray> oh i didn't do KERN_ERR
08:37 < aegray> doh
08:38 < josh_> nothing in headphones, but it *is* /dev/zero...
08:38 < aegray> i don't think it matters
08:38 < aegray> does KERN_ERR get echoed on desktop?
08:38 < aegray> onn terminal*
08:38 < josh_> just use "<0>"
08:38 < josh_> e.g. printk("<0>my message\n");
08:38 < aegray> from the kernel?
08:39 < josh_> that corresponds to KERN_CRIT I think, it's what I used debugging podfs
08:40 < aegray> ok jas
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08:41 < Ramzi22> hmm im trying to make a backup of my ipod with dd in linux and it doesnt seem to be working, i backed up the MBR, withh dd /dev/sda, and i can mount and view my files on /dev/sda2 but when i try and dd /dev/sda1 i get this error "dd: opening '/dev/sda1': No such file or directory"
08:43 < aegray> josh_: ipodlinux.sf.net/linux.bin.gz
08:43 < aegray> should at least print something...
08:44 < aegray> Ramzi22: just a sec
08:44 < josh_> Setting up transfer
08:44 < josh_>
08:44 < josh_> Enabled transfer
08:44 < josh_> then 9x "Wrote 8192 bytes"
08:45 < aegray> damnit
08:45 < aegray> k
08:45 < Kingstone> does ipodlinux write anything in the MBR? change it?
08:46 < Kingstone> i mean you can see the files which are in fat32
08:46 < Kingstone> so does it have a linux partition still?
08:47 < aegray> Ramzi22: oh same problem from before?
08:47 < aegray> sfdisk didn't work?
08:47 < aegray> Kingstone: yes it has to
08:48 < aegray> i don't understand your second and third question
08:48 < Kingstone> cause if i go into diskmode
08:48 < Kingstone> i can move files from windows
08:48 < Kingstone> to the ipod
08:48 < Ramzi22> sfdisk nidnt work
08:48 < Kingstone> on fat32..
08:48 < Kingstone> and ipl can read those files
08:48 < aegray> ok..?
08:48 < Ramzi22> --change-id to 1 1
08:49 < Kingstone> so it supports also fat32
08:49 < aegray> Ramzi22: my only other suggestion is to recompile kernel with empty partition support
08:49 < Ramzi22> its strange, how fdisk -l shows /dev/sda1
08:49 < aegray> ipl supports fat32 yes
08:49 < aegray> Ramzi22: yes - its there
08:49 < Ramzi22> if i actually go to the /dev/ folder, sda1 doesnt exist
08:49 < aegray> exactly
08:49 < aegray> its a kernel optoin
08:49 < aegray> optoin
08:49 < aegray> damnit
08:49 < aegray> option
08:49 < aegray> you could also...
08:49 < aegray> fdisk
08:49 < aegray> change type to something else
08:50 < aegray> 83 say
08:50 < aegray> dd it
08:50 < aegray> then change it back
08:51 < Ramzi22> with fdisk or sfdisk?
08:51 < aegray> fdisk
08:51 < aegray> josh_: http://www.aegray.com/web/testsound if you will
08:51 * aegray knows that works
08:51 < aegray> hopefully :/
08:52 < josh_> is that a kernel or an app?
08:52 < aegray> app
08:52 < josh_> same kernel?
08:52 < aegray> might want to try that with a base kernel
08:52 < aegray> actually
08:53 < aegray> its fine
08:53 < aegray> just try it with whatever kernels on there right now
08:53 < aegray> listen to headphones though
08:53 < aegray> whoops
08:53 < aegray> and have a wav file /vidtest.wav
08:53 < aegray> i can change that if you like
08:53 < Kingstone> what are you testing guys?
08:53 < Ramzi22> so do like fdisk /dev/sda, then select t for change syustem id, select partition number 1 and then use hex code 83?
08:54 < aegray> sound stuff
08:54 < josh_> aegray: that's fine, but I'm reeeeally tired now and I'm going to bed :-) I'll do it tomorrow.
08:54 < aegray> Ramzi22: try it
08:54 * josh_ away... zzzzz....
08:54 < aegray> josh_: k cool. thanks
08:54 < Ramzi22> then copy os partition, then set back to 0 (Empty)
08:54 < aegray> anyone else with a 4g wana help?
08:54 * Kingstone is up, morning all :)
08:54 < aegray> Ramzi22: sure
08:54 < aegray> you might have to unplug it then replug it
08:54 < aegray> but if it sees 83 as the type it should create a partition for it
08:54 < aegray> anyonne with 4g?
08:55 < Kingstone> not me
08:55 < Kingstone> i have my old mini 2g
08:55 < aegray> that might be ok
08:55 < aegray> wanna try and see?
08:55 < Kingstone> try what?
08:55 < aegray> are you on linux btw?
08:55 < aegray> erm
08:55 < aegray> it doesn't matter
08:55 < Ramzi22> hey i think its working
08:55 < aegray> just a little program
08:56 < Kingstone> doesn't matter what?
08:56 < aegray> doesn't matter if your on linux or not
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08:57 < aegray> if you can get that bin from the link i gave josh and put it, and a file vidtest.wav in root of linux drive
08:57 < aegray> i can change that if needed
08:59 < Kingstone> i don't have linux installed
08:59 < Kingstone> atm
08:59 < aegray> k
08:59 < Kingstone> cause i made changes to the firmware myself
08:59 < Kingstone> but if i still can
08:59 < Kingstone> tell me what to do
09:00 < Kingstone> down,oaded that file
09:00 < aegray> copy it to ipod
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09:00 < Kingstone> sec
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09:01 < aegray> put a wav file on the ipod (one that has sound at the start)
09:01 < aegray> at the very start
09:01 < aegray> or i can give you a new binary
09:02 < aegray> same link...new bin
09:02 < aegray> download that and run it
09:02 < Kingstone> hmm can you give me a wav file?
09:02 < Kingstone> what is the link?
09:03 < Kingstone> oh
09:03 < aegray> http://www.aegray.com/web/testsound
09:03 < Kingstone> so you want me to run it?
09:03 < Kingstone> from the root of the ipod?
09:03 < aegray> wherever you put it
09:04 < Kingstone> sec then
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09:05 < Kingstone> what does it suppose to do?
09:06 < aegray> put on your headphones and should repeat some random noises
09:06 < Kingstone> oh
09:06 < aegray> does it?
09:06 < Kingstone> sec
09:06 < Kingstone> i'll put them now
09:07 < Kingstone> do you have the source maybe?
09:07 < Kingstone> that i can compile
09:07 < Kingstone> for this binary
09:07 < aegray> whys that?
09:07 < Kingstone> cause i'm not on linux atm..
09:07 < Kingstone> and i ran it from cygwin
09:07 < Kingstone> but it doesn't really work..
09:07 < aegray> its not something for your desktop
09:07 < aegray> its to copy to the ipod
09:07 < aegray> i can test desktop stuff fine
09:07 < Kingstone> it's on the ipod..
09:07 < aegray> i dont' have an ipod
09:08 < aegray> it doesn't work on ipod?
09:08 < Kingstone> but you said i didn't need linux..
09:08 < Kingstone> on my ipod
09:08 < aegray> i meant on your pc
09:08 < Kingstone> how would it run it then?
09:08 < aegray> to transfer stuff
09:08 < aegray> exactly
09:08 < Kingstone> oh...
09:08 < aegray> you need linux on ipod
09:08 < aegray> sorry
09:08 < Kingstone> i don't have linux atm on my ipod..
09:08 < aegray> k
09:08 < Kingstone> that's what i said earlier hmmz
09:09 < aegray> i thought you were putting it on for some reason
09:09 < Kingstone> just curious what are you testing? mp3 output is working.. wav support isn't? i thought it was
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09:10 < aegray> i'm working on something new - rewriting the sound backend
09:10 < Kingstone> oh
09:10 < Kingstone> cool
09:11 < aegray> sleep
09:12 < Kingstone> k
09:12 < Kingstone> bye
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09:23 < Ramzi22> aegray you around?
09:25 < aegray> kinda
09:25 < aegray> only when you beep me (say my name)
09:25 < Kingstone> go to sleep.. you need some rest ;p
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09:27 < bhav> hi ppl
09:27 < aegray> halo
09:27 < bhav> my Ipod only shows aple logo
09:27 < bhav> what to do
09:27 < bhav> nothing else happens :(
09:27 < aegray> `diskmode
09:27 < iplbot> diskmode is reboot, then immediately, when the ipod turns on again (apple logo appears), press and hold <=3g: ff+rew >=4g: play+center [from aegray]
09:27 < aegray> `reboot
09:27 < iplbot> reboot is flip hold switch on and then back off, then hold these buttons for at least ten seconds: <=3g: menu+play >=4g: menu+center [from aegray]
09:27 < aegray> goodnight
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09:28 < bhav> aegray, i have nano
09:28 < aegray> and...?
09:28 < bhav> which is mine 3g or 4g?
09:28 < aegray> like i just said
09:28 < aegray> 4g
09:28 < bhav> k
09:29 < bhav> how to reboot
09:29 < bhav> the logo does not lets me do anything
09:29 < aegray> ^
09:29 < aegray> reboot - right when lcd turns off, do diskmode combo
09:30 < bhav> i just see the apple logo, i pressed the play button, long time, it does not reboots
09:30 < bhav> am i doing it right?
09:30 < aegray> menu and center to reboot - hold it - right when lcd turns off, press and hold center and play
09:31 < aegray> thats all i'm saying - try it till it works
09:31 < aegray> goodnight
09:31 < bhav> yea rebooted ;)
09:31 < bhav> ah!.
09:32 < bhav> lol, i think i need to RTFM, my apple firmware jsut got booted
09:32 < bhav> aegray, sorry if i annoyed you :<
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09:43 < Kingstone> any dev guys here?
09:44 < Kingstone> i might wonder if you know, how does the ipod know if to be mounted or not on plugging?
09:44 < Kingstone> cause you can do enable disk use in itunes and it will auto mount
09:44 < Lex> because windows asks what device it is
09:44 < Kingstone> what does it mean what device is it?
09:45 < Kingstone> it's the same device all the time
09:45 < Kingstone> isn't it?
09:45 < Lex> no but
09:45 < Lex> when you plug your ipod into your pc
09:45 < Lex> so you use windows?
09:45 < Lex> windows automounts it
09:45 < Kingstone> yes
09:45 < Lex> linux doesn't
09:45 < Kingstone> not all the time..
09:45 < Kingstone> if you untick the enable disk use
09:45 < Kingstone> in itunes
09:45 < Kingstone> it won't auto mount..
09:46 < Lex> automounts with my win2k
09:46 < Kingstone> so check in itunesa
09:46 < Kingstone> edit->preferences, ipod tab
09:46 < Kingstone> and see you have either manual sync or the enable disk use is ticked
09:46 < Lex> yeah but i can use with explorer when i plug it
09:46 < Kingstone> so if you untick that
09:46 < Kingstone> it won't auto mount
09:46 < Lex> and i don't sync it with itunes..
09:47 < Lex> i use gtkpod
09:47 < Lex> on linux
09:47 < Kingstone> well still there is something
09:47 < Kingstone> that decides if it auto mounts on windows/mac
09:47 < Lex> but ipod doesn't tell does it want to be mounted, your windows defines it
09:48 < Kingstone> so it has to be something with registry maybe..
09:48 < Kingstone> well thx man, i got to go
09:48 < Lex> yea yeaa
09:48 < Lex> but i use linux primary
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09:51 < fxb> hiho
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10:52 < DarthLappy> Hmmm...I need arm-elf-gcc
11:08 < DarthLappy> Is there any way to make my nano's wheel less sensitive? It seems to jump around alot
11:10 < DarthLappy> Nevermind :)
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12:17 < bhav> hi all again
12:18 < bhav> can i format the sda2 ?
12:18 < bhav> actually i did it already, and now i am not able to restore my ipod
12:18 < bhav> any ideas ?
12:18 < bhav> please help
12:19 < bhav> i am using ipod nano 2gb
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12:35 < bhav> back ;)
12:36 < bhav> gtkpod saved my day ;)
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12:39 < bhav> can someone help me put linux on nano?
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12:47 < bhav> :-/
12:49 < bhav> Yes, you screwed up your nano; apparently you can't read or press buttons correctly. Nice job.m w00w, i am doing nice job ;)
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12:56 < DarthLappy> bhav, Get it done?
12:56 < DarthLappy> It's very easy
12:57 < bhav> still i can partition the thing
12:57 < bhav> ;)
12:57 < bhav> it shows me weired things
12:57 < bhav> like www.apple.com/ipod/support
12:57 < bhav> heh
12:58 < bhav> no my partitions are screwed up
12:58 < bhav> can some one give me a dump of nano partition table
12:58 < bhav> fdisk -l thing i want
12:59 < bhav> 2gb
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13:05 < bhav> www.apple.com/ipod/support
13:05 < bhav> did i really do bad things to my iPod :??
13:08 < coob> put it in diskmode
13:08 < coob> and restore from a windows pc or a mac
13:08 < coob> `disk mode
13:08 < iplbot> I assume you meant diskmode. diskmode is reboot, then immediately, when the ipod turns on again (apple logo appears), press and hold <=3g: ff+rew >=4g: play+center [from coob]
13:09 < ShiintoRyuu> 'diskmode
13:09 < ShiintoRyuu> I dont know where the other ' is :/
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13:13 < bhav> ok
13:13 < bhav> its going on
13:13 < bhav> it will go back to its orig state now :/
13:13 < bhav> but i need linux onto it
13:15 < bhav> the windows installer does not works well on nano 2GB
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13:15 < ShiintoRyuu> I tried the normal manual on the nano of a friend
13:15 < ShiintoRyuu> it worked fine o.=.o
13:15 < bhav> can you give it to me
13:16 < ShiintoRyuu> http://ipodlinux.org/Installation_from_Linux
13:16 < bhav> i tried that
13:17 < bhav> but i am not takin out the partition from sda1
13:17 < bhav> but i am taking it out from sda2
13:18 < bhav> lemme try again
13:19 < ShiintoRyuu> the firmware-new nano has sda1(not accessable, apple firmware) and sda2(storage accessable trough usb) o.=.o and the manual shows howto re-create sda1 into a smaller sda1 and a sda3, right?
13:20 < bhav> yes
13:22 < ShiintoRyuu> so.. and what went wrong?
13:23 < bhav> the firmware didnt booted
13:23 < bhav> i am trying again, maybe i screwed something else
13:23 < ShiintoRyuu> you extracted it with make_fw, and put the kernel into it??
13:24 < bhav> i am using ipodloadercvs.tar.gz
13:24 < bhav> for nano
13:27 < ShiintoRyuu> uhm.. I guess I used an older one, want mine?
13:27 < bhav> yea sure
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13:27 < blade_> hi
13:27 < bhav> hi
13:27 < blade_> is the nano supported
13:27 < blade_> the 2g nano
13:27 < bhav> eek!
13:27 < blade_> ?
13:27 < bhav> welcome to the brigade
13:27 < bhav> i am also trying to find out ;)
13:27 < ShiintoRyuu> blade_: guess not
13:28 < ShiintoRyuu> but maybe some people will help :)
13:28 < blade_> ok
13:29 < ShiintoRyuu> bhav: the loader.bin is part of it, right?
13:29 < blade_> i am looking on the wiki page but i cant find any page that describe in details the porting process
13:29 < blade_> technical detaisl i mean
13:29 < blade_> is there any
13:30 < blade_> i am interresting in porting linux on other arch so i am looking for information
13:31 < bhav> yea ShiintoRyuu
13:31 < DarthLappy> I have installed on my 2GB nano, works fine, from Linux
13:32 < blade_> DarthLappy, what u do with linux on ur ipod
13:33 * slowcoder is in the house
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13:55 < DarthLappy> blade_, Linuxy stuff... :P
13:56 < blade_> DarthLappy, ?
13:57 < DarthLappy> I didn't install it too long ago, I'm trying to get minix-sh or sash going.
14:02 < bhav> modprob -r sbp2 does not works for me
14:02 < bhav> does that means i have the thing built into the kerenl ?
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14:04 < bhav> still does not works
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14:16 < DarthLappy> bhav, Nano's are not firewire
14:16 < DarthLappy> You don't need to unload, just unmount, and unplugging should be fine
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15:10 < xtat> ipodlinux is frozen. reboot combination unsuccessful. wait for dead battery?
15:14 < preglow> try again
15:14 < preglow> reboot combination should always work
15:14 < DarthLappy> Sure it ain't on hold ;)
15:14 < DarthLappy> Night
15:15 < xtat> haha :)
15:15 < DarthLappy> Or morning...Since it's 2:15
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15:16 < xtat> hm, that worked
15:16 < xtat> think it may have been tied up indexing massive song list
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17:22 < veteran> aegray, change your avatar and i guarantee your connection will be better
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17:48 < BHSPitMonkey> aegray: stop flooding damnit
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18:29 < slowcoder> aegray: You're so ugly the net repels you
18:30 < BHSPitMonkey> burn
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18:45 < hyarion> haha @ aegray's avatar :)
18:51 < BHSPitMonkey> haha
18:52 < BHSPitMonkey> anyone aware of a CVS problem?
18:56 * BleuLlama adds "RandomOf" to his lisp machine
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19:30 < Derek_> 3gen i cant view my screen when i am in linux mode
19:31 < Derek_> can someone help me please?
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19:32 < Derek_> is there anyone who could help me?
19:37 < preglow> with what?
19:38 < Derek_> i have a 3rd gen ipod and i cant view my screen in linux mode
19:39 < Derek_> something is there that i see faintly, but not enough and i can hear the clicker still
19:41 < Derek_> can you help me?
19:42 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/lithp/ (5 files): Added RandomOf, VectorText, color/monochrome handling (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/638)
19:43 < Derek_> where do i put that text?
19:43 < coob> turn up the ce contrast
19:44 < Derek_> yeah i did that
19:44 < Derek_> i turned it up in the AppleOS but it didnt stay that way in the LinuxOS
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19:46 < Derek_> iPL-SVN i have no idea where to put those files
19:51 < Derek_> will anyone pm me to find the problem?
19:54 < coob> wtf
19:54 < coob> thats a bot that tracks changes, it wasn't talking to you.
19:55 < coob> the problem is you need to turn up the ocntrast in podzilla
19:55 < coob> navigate using what you can see
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19:58 < guest> Derek_
19:58 < guest> 17. If your screen is extremely dark, but you can still hear clicks.
19:58 < guest> You will need to fix the contrast. Starting from the top, go DOWN 2 CLICKS.
19:58 < guest> push the middle button, then DOWN 5 CLICKS, push middle button.
19:58 < guest> Now adjust the contrast, and ENJOY!
19:59 < guest> [from the floydzillas site]
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19:59 < j0k3r> omfg.. registered nick..
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19:59 < Derek_> thanks guest
19:59 < BleuLlama> or just press and hold the action button for ~60 seconds
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20:08 < Derek_> that isnt working
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20:22 < BleuLlama> install the nightlies, and it will. :)
20:22 < aegray> hold menu
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20:31 < predius__> good way to restore factory settings?
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20:34 < mc_365> hello all
20:35 < aegray> hi
20:35 < mc_365> I have the opertunity to get a 3G iPod used today at a good price, what is the status of gapless mp3?
20:35 < mc_365> I see some say it works other say no
20:36 < aegray> mpd works - but on 3g some things aren't realtime
20:36 < mc_365> so mp3 plays in slow motion but gapless
20:36 < aegray> haha i guess
20:37 < aegray> 3g probably isn't the best thing to get at this point
20:37 < mc_365> well there is no 4G support yet correct?
20:37 < aegray> it works - we just dont "officially" support it
20:37 < BleuLlama> 3g battery lasts super short under ipl
20:37 < aegray> works much better than 3g actually
20:38 < mc_365> So why support the more buggy rather than 4G
20:38 < aegray> because there was already "support" there
20:38 < aegray> and the installer for the 3g actually works without any modification
20:39 < aegray> 4g you have to change some files in order to use the istaller
20:39 < aegray> installer*
20:39 < mc_365> so you guys don't what to answer the same installer questions over and over
20:39 < aegray> basically
20:40 < mc_365> Can the install be done from windows or is this only from a linux dist
20:42 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/lithp/ (5 files): Got more of the startup time stuff nailed down. There are two init functions. sample01.lsp explains them better. (better documentation to come soon.) (instead of OnInit it uses OnStartup and OnPreFlight) The built-in example (stuff/lithp demo) does more (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/639)
20:42 * BleuLlama afk. lithp is just about done for the initial verison
20:43 < mc_365> I realy like the iPod egronomics but gapless is a must for me.
20:44 < BleuLlama> bummer.
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20:44 < mc_365> The karma is too risky at this point being discontinued and ony refurbs avail.
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20:56 < X3|MintyMonkey> anyone know where i can get themes for ipodlinux?
20:56 < X3|MintyMonkey> ive heard of them before
20:56 < aegray> joshn_454: you get that last message?
20:57 < joshn_454> y, tx
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20:58 < joshn_454> and the first value there (for me, anyway) is 0x3f0, so the code really starts there, correct?
20:58 < aegray> lemme check
20:58 < aegray> 0x3f0?
20:59 < aegray> at 0x200 it should be something like: 7A 00 00 EA
20:59 < aegray> something with EA being a jump
21:00 < joshn_454> hmm
21:00 < MarcoPolo> courtc: any progress for the 5G (please say if i'm boring you with this question)
21:00 < joshn_454> I wonder if objdump is screwing up the output
21:01 < joshn_454> actually, it decodes it as a branch instructions, so that's probably right
21:01 < aegray> yea true
21:01 < aegray> dd if=apple_os.bin of=newstuff bs=1 skip=512
21:02 < aegray> objdump -whatever newstuff
21:02 < joshn_454> btw, is there some port located at 0x60000000
21:02 < joshn_454> ?
21:03 < joshn_454> won't chopping of the first 0x200 bytes mess up addressing for objdump?
21:03 < aegray> no it means making it right - the first jump should be at offset 0x0
21:03 < joshn_454> ah, okay
21:03 < aegray> 0x600000 is the processor id
21:04 < aegray> if it reads that and gets 0x55, its the cpu
21:04 < aegray> otherwise - 0xAA is the cop
21:04 < aegray> it can tell which core its running on
21:04 < joshn_454> hmm
21:05 < joshn_454> okay, then what is the code referencing when it reads for writes from addresses like 0x60006004
21:06 < aegray> bunch of stuff
21:06 < aegray> 0x60006004 controls power/resetting devices I think
21:07 < aegray> iirc
21:07 < joshn_454> that's based on how the devices are connected, correct?
21:07 < aegray> i think
21:07 < joshn_454> ok
21:08 < aegray> for example...
21:08 < aegray> writing a 1 to bit 2 resets the entire system
21:09 < aegray> bbiab shower
21:10 < joshn_454> i.e. *(volatile long*)0x600006004 = 0x2?
21:11 < slowcoder> *(volatile unsigned long*)0x60006004 = *(volatile unsigned long*)0x60006004 | 2;
21:11 < slowcoder> More appropriate
21:11 < joshn_454> sure
21:13 < joshn_454> and 0x70000000 is the i2S stuff, right
21:15 < slowcoder> 0x70002800+ is
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21:17 < aegray> `wiki pp5020
21:17 < iplbot> pp5020 (http://www.ipodlinux.org/pp5020) [24316 bytes]
21:17 < aegray> :)
21:17 < joshn_454> tx, that's helpful
21:22 < preglow> slowcoder: any news on the 5g?
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21:23 < slowcoder> preglow: Not really
21:24 < preglow> i'm doing to find out about the broadcom chip :/
21:25 < preglow> s/doing/dying/
21:25 < preglow> i'm quite the typist today
21:25 < slowcoder> Indeed you are
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21:38 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/lithp/ADDENDUM: Cleaned up this file to make it a little more readable to people who aren't me. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/640)
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21:41 < BleuLlama> whoo.
21:42 < aegray> hmm?
21:42 < iPL-SVN> bleullama * tools/podzilla2/modules/lithp/pzwrap.c: oops. had some extra um... "hooks" for the.. um.. "printf debugger" yeah... that's it. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/641)
21:42 < BleuLlama> i can do full pz applets in lisp
21:42 < aegray> :)
21:42 < BleuLlama> with timers, user input, etc.
21:42 < BleuLlama> color, graphics
21:43 < slowcoder> Excellent, now we can port... Ehhh.. What the heck can we port??
21:43 < slowcoder> :)
21:43 < aegray> all those..lisp..games...
21:43 < aegray> hehe
21:43 * aegray goes to learn lisp
21:43 < aegray> erm
21:43 < aegray> lithp
21:43 < BleuLlama> well, you can edit lisp programs using podwrite, and run them immediately if you like
21:43 < preglow> what!
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21:43 < BleuLlama> (all on the ipod)
21:43 < aegray> cool!
21:43 < BleuLlama> although the lithp parser needs some more error checking
21:44 < BleuLlama> but, it also means that you can use the lithp engine for AI for games... like... i dunno.. AI for enemies in Vortex
21:44 < BleuLlama> :D
21:44 < aegray> which I assume you're planning on
21:44 < BleuLlama> ayup
21:44 < aegray> hi preglow
21:44 < BleuLlama> i'll probably need to add some more hooks into the lithp engine.
21:45 < BleuLlama> i also need to more fully document some of the idiosynchracies of lithp, and how it differs from Lisp
21:45 < BleuLlama> s/Lisp/Common Lisp/g
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21:49 < aegray> wtf is deer park?
21:52 < BleuLlama> they make spring water?
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21:52 < aegray> i upgraded to firefox 1.5a and my browser is named deer park
21:53 < Twan35> Where can I find the current games on my Apple Firmware
21:53 < BleuLlama> strange
21:53 < Twan35> Like Solitaire and things
21:53 < aegray> extras->ggames
21:53 < Twan35> I know that
21:53 < aegray> ok so what are you trying to find out?
21:53 < Twan35> Can't you just add games to that
21:53 < aegray> no
21:53 < Twan35> Like Chess
21:53 < BleuLlama> nope
21:53 < aegray> they are compiled in
21:54 < Twan35> Oh so you'd have to edit the whole firmware?/
21:54 < aegray> pretty much
21:54 < Twan35> They have some text games out there
21:54 < aegray> or use ipodlinux ;)
21:54 < Twan35> I have a video
21:54 < Twan35> I would if I could
21:54 < aegray> text games = follow links in the note browser
21:54 < BleuLlama> text games are done via "notes"
21:54 < Twan35> Yes
21:54 < Twan35> XO play charges $15
21:54 < Twan35> I wonder if it's worth it
21:54 < aegray> doubt it
21:54 < aegray> its a game where you click links
21:55 < Twan35> ya
21:55 < Twan35> It supposed to be an interesting story
21:55 < Twan35> meh I'm not paying
21:55 < joshn_454> aegray: deer park was the codename for FF 1.5
21:55 < Twan35> So if I put Podzilla onto my 5G would I be able to do anything?
21:55 < aegray> ah ok
21:55 < aegray> it scared me
21:55 < aegray> Twan35: no
21:55 < Twan35> So are there any tweaks for the 5G yet that are actually worth it
21:56 < BleuLlama> this channel pertains to installing/using ipodlinux on your ipod, not hacking the apple firmware, btw.
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21:56 < aegray> Twan35: not really
21:56 < Twan35> Not really...meaning there are some but not that good?
21:56 < aegray> kinda
21:57 < Twan35> Like...
21:57 < aegray> ipl
21:57 < Twan35> So I can put ipl on there
21:57 < aegray> you can't
21:57 < aegray> i can
21:57 < aegray> :)
21:57 < Twan35> ...?
21:58 < aegray> i'm special
21:58 < BleuLlama> 5g ipl is *very* experimental, highly unstable, and VERY slow
21:58 * BleuLlama found his thesaurus
21:58 < aegray> hehe
21:58 < Twan35> Is it made in C++?
21:59 < BleuLlama> C
21:59 < BleuLlama> and now, a Lisp variant too! :D
21:59 < aegray> http://www.linuxtoday.com/
21:59 < aegray> haha
22:00 < Twan35> So why do you think it's not working right
22:03 < Twan35> ?
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22:08 < Twan35> Any idea on when ipl for 5G will be ready
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22:09 < BleuLlama> next May, roughly
22:10 < Twan35> 4 months of 1 year 4 months?
22:10 < BleuLlama> 16 months
22:10 < Twan35> 4 months or**
22:10 < Twan35> Really...
22:10 < Twan35> That's a long time
22:10 < BleuLlama> yup
22:10 < Twan35> Why so long?
22:11 < BleuLlama> 5g is very low priority for us right now. none of the core devs have a 5g, and there's unknown hardware in it, which we don't have specs for
22:11 < BleuLlama> that's a very conservative estimation too. it'll probably be substantially longer, if ever
22:12 < BleuLlama> pay us, and we'll work faster.
22:12 < BleuLlama> as it is, we're working on the bits we want to work on, when we feel like working on them... since we're doing this for fun
22:12 < Twan35> So if you get enough donations, you'll buy 5Gs and work on them faster
22:12 < BleuLlama> perhaps
22:12 < Twan35> I see
22:13 < Twan35> Well I just wanted to get more games on it
22:13 < Twan35> Guess I'll have to wait
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22:13 < Twan35> Can 4Gs play video?
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22:13 < BleuLlama> we might just use them to play music while we finish working on 4g, mini, 4g color, and all of the other things we've been working on for the past ~2 years
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22:13 < BleuLlama> with a nightly kernel and nightly podzilla, sure.
22:13 < Twan35> Ok
22:13 < Twan35> i see
22:13 < aegray> BleuLlama: you have 4g?
22:13 < BleuLlama> but they're unsupported right now, so you're on your own
22:14 < BleuLlama> aegray: yep
22:14 < BleuLlama> no ipl on it though
22:14 < aegray> can you test something quick for me?
22:14 < aegray> damn
22:14 < aegray> nm
22:14 < aegray> anyone with 4g?
22:14 < aegray> 4g anything
22:14 * josh_ back up
22:15 < aegray> hi you lazy bastard
22:15 < aegray> oh i mean hi joshn_454
22:15 < aegray> josh_
22:15 < aegray> damn
22:15 < BleuLlama> morning, josh_
22:16 < josh_> morning
22:16 < josh_> aegray: /me != lazy bastard
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22:17 < aegray> sure sure
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22:23 < BHSPitMonkey> mornin', josh
22:26 < josh_> morning
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22:30 < BHSPitMonkey> aegray: just out of curiosity, what developmental goal were you working towards with that test kernel the other night?
22:30 < josh_> 14:19 < aegray> pm me if you get a chance - i gotta run
22:30 < BHSPitMonkey> unless you just wanted to see if you could break my nano
22:30 < josh_> ^ he's not here.
22:30 < BHSPitMonkey> oh...
22:32 < BHSPitMonkey> 16:34 sure sure
22:32 < BHSPitMonkey> what did i miss? :S
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22:38 < Tranqualizer> does the ipod photo still have the problem where it only shows the arrows on the main menu?
22:38 < Tranqualizer> ipod w/ color display i should say
22:38 < preglow> have any of you guys tried contacting wolfson to see how anal retentive they are with their datasheets?
22:41 < BHSPitMonkey> Tranqualizer: i believe so, you can try it and see, and if so use floydzilla instead of podzilla
22:41 < BHSPitMonkey> as it has a "quick-fix" to that problem
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22:42 < BHSPitMonkey> what component is "wolfson" responsible? i thought the big goldmine right now lied with broadcom
22:43 < preglow> the dac
22:43 < god3> how goes compressed video?
22:43 < BHSPitMonkey> oh
22:43 < god3> don't ban me
22:43 < god3> jk
22:44 < BHSPitMonkey> it goes without sound and a picture
22:44 < BHSPitMonkey> but other than that. great
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22:45 < Twan35> Is editing Apple's firmware for your own iPod illegal?
22:46 < god3> probably not, it is YOUR ipod
22:46 < Twan35> Yes that's what I figured
22:46 < Twan35> It's not like I'm selling the new tricked out Firmware
22:46 < BHSPitMonkey> if you distribute any copyright code, you're breaking the law
22:47 < god3> well that should be self evident
22:47 < BHSPitMonkey> you could legally release a patch, IF it were even possible
22:47 < joshn_454> BHSPitMonkey: have you contacted broadcom about docs?
22:47 < BHSPitMonkey> joshn_454: oh my, no. they probably don't answer very many 16-year-olds about getting spec sheets ;)
22:48 < Twan35> If?
22:48 < Twan35> I see this here hacking the firmware to change graphics
22:48 < preglow> what, you aren't a 35 year old important ceo?
22:48 < preglow> that's what you should have told them
22:48 < joshn_454> and why would they know you're 16?
22:48 < BHSPitMonkey> Twan35: you can't change any code because we don't know how to decompile it
22:48 < god3> the magic of video phoes
22:48 < BHSPitMonkey> Twan35: are you referring to iPodWizard?
22:49 < Twan35> Yes
22:49 < god3> it is legal
22:49 < j0k3r-01> yup ^^
22:49 < god3> at least, how could they prosecute you if it was not?
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22:49 < Twan35> I want to add more games
22:49 < BHSPitMonkey> Twan35: well you don't release the firmware, you just release the ipodwizard data, and that's very offtopic here
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22:49 < Twan35> Apple should release more
22:49 < BHSPitMonkey> Twan35: offtopic
22:50 < Twan35> Hardly
22:50 < god3> apple isn't goig to though
22:50 < Twan35> Because I can't play Linux on 5G
22:50 < Twan35> Why?
22:50 < BHSPitMonkey> because ipodwizard != ipodlinux
22:50 < BHSPitMonkey> go to #ipodwizard then
22:51 < god3> becuase they are most likely working the next ipod generation and they hardly release patches
22:51 < Twan35> What will be in the next gen do you think?
22:51 < Twan35> Radio isn't even needed I don't listen to radio anymore
22:52 < preglow> waiting for manufacturers to release firmware isn't very productive
22:52 < god3> improved video? internet capabilities? phone?
22:52 < BHSPitMonkey> god3: ha
22:53 < BHSPitMonkey> patent applications from apple have been discovered for a rda (i think) radio transmitters for the ipod(?)
22:53 < Twan35> It's not even hard to embed more games into the firmware
22:53 < BHSPitMonkey> Twan35: sure, if you're apple
22:53 < Twan35> Exactly
22:53 < Twan35> It just pleases the customers who dish out $300 for a piece of hardware
22:54 < BHSPitMonkey> the case is, the target of the ipod is to be a quality portable audio player, not another psp
22:54 < god3> but you already dished out $300, what incentive does apple have to give you more stuff?
22:54 < Twan35> Being a good company
22:54 < Twan35> I would even BUY more games
22:54 < Twan35> BHSPitMonkey, if it were both, everyone would get it instead of the PSP
22:55 < Tranqualizer> Damnit
22:55 < BHSPitMonkey> Twan35: not really, the input device of the ipod isn't very well suited to games.
22:55 < Tranqualizer> I downloaded the windows version!
22:55 < Tranqualizer> lol
22:55 < BHSPitMonkey> it's suited for quick menu navigation
22:55 < Tranqualizer> sry
22:55 < god3> just use linux, it is hard to make games for a computer with a clickwheel
22:56 < Twan35> Hmm...Tetris, Pacman, SMB
22:56 < Twan35> Chess
22:56 < Twan35> Checkers
22:56 < BHSPitMonkey> god3: his whole campaign here is "I can't play linux games on my 5G, so I'll just bitch to their channel about how apple should do better."
22:57 < BHSPitMonkey> Twan35: you could probably get away with chess and checkers on a 5G
22:57 < Twan35> SMB may be pushing it a little too much, but the speed of your finger on the clickwheel could control Mario
22:57 < Twan35> How?
22:57 < BHSPitMonkey> since it's not an action game
22:57 < BHSPitMonkey> it would still be hard lining up the cursor where you want it to be
22:57 < Twan35> Oh I thought you meant it would be possible to get on
22:57 < BHSPitMonkey> Twan35: no, i just mean you could play it in linux
22:57 < Twan35> Of course it would be suitable for an iPod
22:58 < Twan35> With 5G?
22:58 < BHSPitMonkey> we HAVE chess
22:58 < BHSPitMonkey> yes
22:58 < Twan35> I thought Linux doesn't work on 5G....
22:58 < BHSPitMonkey> the 5G problems right now are no sound, and a very slow LCD
22:58 < BHSPitMonkey> the lcd is painfully slow
22:58 < Twan35> Does Linux void the warranty
22:58 < BHSPitMonkey> but i *think* you can still run podzilla
22:58 < BHSPitMonkey> Twan35: just don't send it back to apple with linux on it
22:58 < BHSPitMonkey> :D
22:59 < BHSPitMonkey> i'm going to say no, since linux won't break anything, and is perfectly easy to remove
23:00 < BHSPitMonkey> Twan35: you will need to be using linux if you want to try to install on your 5G though, and set your expectations at zero
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23:00 < Twan35> Not a problem really
23:00 < imphasing> Hm..no highlighting on nvi I see
23:00 < Twan35> But it said somewhere don't complain if we turn your iPod into a brick....
23:00 < imphasing> not that I actually use it, but it's nice to have colour..
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23:01 < BHSPitLappy> Twan35: true, but you'd be the first
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23:02 < BHSPitMonkey> wb aegray
23:02 < BHSPitMonkey> bbl
23:03 < Twan35> So I can install iPL on my 5G but it won't work that great
23:03 < Twan35> Before installing iPodLinux, make sure your iPod is supported! If you try to install Linux on any of the unsupported iPods, it WILL ruin your iPod.
23:04 < predius_> Twan35: OS?
23:04 < Twan35> I can install Linux on my comp, no problem
23:04 < predius_> k
23:05 < Twan35> There is no documentation on installing 5G onto the iPod
23:05 < Twan35> Installing Linux onto the 5G iPod*
23:05 < predius_> Yep.
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23:05 < predius_> You're mostly on your own.
23:05 < predius_> Do document if you manage it.
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23:07 < Twan35> Adam knows how
23:07 < Twan35> Right?
23:08 < preglow> it's pretty straightforward, i think
23:08 < preglow> same procedure with minor differences
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23:10 < Tranqualizer> I installed Floydzilla, and whenever I run linux on my iPod it gets stuck at the boot screen
23:10 < Tranqualizer> what did I do wrong?
23:11 < j0k3r-01> :I
23:12 < j0k3r-01> what ipod ?
23:12 < Tranqualizer> new photo
23:12 < Tranqualizer> well newish
23:13 < j0k3r-01> LoL dunno.. on my nano it works xD
23:13 < j0k3r-01> try search on the forum
23:13 < Tranqualizer> I already had podzilla on it and I just dragged all the stuff from the floydzilla folder to my iPod like it told me 2
23:14 < Twan35> The hacked 4Gs lag when playing video?
23:14 < j0k3r-01> if you have dragged the start file too
23:15 < j0k3r-01> your ipod has installed it :I
23:15 < j0k3r-01> do you want both podzilla and floydzilla ?
23:15 < Tranqualizer> no
23:15 < Twan35> I need iPL for Podzilla right?
23:15 < Tranqualizer> just floyd
23:15 < j0k3r-01> yes
23:16 < j0k3r-01> Tranqualizer do you have windows ?
23:16 < Tranqualizer> no
23:16 < Tranqualizer> mac
23:18 < j0k3r-01> well.. i dont know.. im on windows and with the install thing from dansfloyd.com it works
23:19 < Tranqualizer> mkay
23:20 < j0k3r-01> Dansfloyd.com is
23:20 < j0k3r-01> UNDER CONSTRUCTION
23:20 < j0k3r-01> Be back online VERY SOON!
23:20 < j0k3r-01> oh.. LoL
23:20 < j0k3r-01> maybe an update with video working..
23:21 < j0k3r-01> *pray*
23:21 < Twan35> What do you mean video working?
23:21 < BHSPitMonkey> j0k3r-01: exactly WHY are you using floydzilla on a nano??
23:22 < j0k3r-01> im not using floydzilla 'cose video aren't working
23:22 < BHSPitMonkey> ok, why DID you then
23:22 < j0k3r-01> ^^'
23:22 < j0k3r-01> floydzilla has more thing installed
23:23 < j0k3r-01> like changing fonts, input text, ..
23:23 < BHSPitMonkey> you can do those things in podzilla2 :D
23:23 < BHSPitMonkey> or build pz0 yourself with those features...
23:23 < j0k3r-01> i know ^^
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23:24 < j0k3r-01> is the "If you are not very experienced with iPodLinux, we recommend that you use the old version of podzilla for now. PZ2 still has some rough edges." that scared mexD
23:26 < BHSPitMonkey> i use both podzillae on my nano
23:26 < BHSPitMonkey> it isn't as rough anymore
23:27 < j0k3r-01> but what's the difference between pz0 and pz2 practically ?
23:27 < BHSPitMonkey> if i'd have to call the biggest difference, hmm, i'd say modularity
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23:32 < j0k3r-01> eheh.. i'll see tomorrow ^^
23:32 < j0k3r-01> n8
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23:34 < DarthLappy> Morning
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