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00:08 < k0rnz> podzilla 2 works on Nano?
00:09 < k0rnz> 5G?
00:09 < BHSPitMonkey> not 5G
00:09 < k0rnz> Nano yes?
00:09 < BHSPitMonkey> pretty sure
00:09 < BHSPitMonkey> yeah, kinda
00:09 < BHSPitMonkey> i know Aik has it running
00:09 < k0rnz> easy fix?
00:09 < k0rnz> oh ok
00:10 < k0rnz> Aik, please post a in linux forum how you got podzilla 2 working on Nano so we can all benefit from your efforts
00:14 < k0rnz> fuck i'll have to compile one
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00:26 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/ttk/ (24 files in 3 directories): Add GPL and GPL notices. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/284)
00:27 < BHSPitMonkey> w00t.
00:29 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/ (COPYING[+] modules/about/about.c modules/mymodule/mymodule.c): GPL stuff. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/285)
00:29 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/API.tex[+]: Podzilla 2 Programmer's Reference is in! (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/286)
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00:30 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/Makefile: Small Makefile fix. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/287)
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00:40 < ballistix_> http://cslibrary.stanford.edu -> best C tutorials
00:42 < BHSPitMonkey> ty
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01:04 < gaber> re
01:05 < gaber> where can i find fireware dated on 14.11.04, to install linux on ipod g2?
01:13 < veteran> is that like fire water?
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01:14 < gaber> veteran, I need iPodWeb2004-04-28.pkg
01:15 < veteran> unfortunately if we gave it to you... we'd have to kill you. :/
01:15 < veteran> (we can't redistribute apple's files)
01:15 < veteran> but google can.
01:15 < aegray> i'll give it to you
01:15 < gaber> veteran, I dont tell anyone :-)
01:16 < aegray> just give me a credit card number, and billing information
01:16 < veteran> gaber, the irc logs do
01:16 < gaber> veteran, gimme a link. :-)
01:16 < gaber> dcc
01:16 < gaber> mail?
01:16 < gaber> ;]
01:16 < aegray> a) don't tell veteran to do anything
01:16 < aegray> b) stop asking
01:16 < aegray> c) give me credit info
01:17 < aegray> or suffer my wrath
01:17 < gaber> eh...
01:18 < veteran> ballistix, hahaha! never seen binky pointer fun
01:20 < josh_> veteran: binky pointer fun = ?
01:20 < josh_> ah haha
01:22 < ballistix> veteran: sorry?
01:23 < veteran> the "Wand of Dereferancing" i'm definately going to use that one in the future
01:23 < josh_> ballistix: 1st video on the site you linked to
01:23 < veteran> http://www.cs.stanford.edu/cslibrary/PointerFunCBig.avi
01:24 < ballistix> lol i said i was linking to tutorials
01:24 < ballistix> lol i dont have a video player
01:27 < ballistix> but seriously, the pdf
01:27 < ballistix> 's on that site are invaluable
01:27 < ballistix> the one about linked lists im reading is awesome
01:28 < preglow> any other special locations in arm memory space but exception vectors at address 0?
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01:29 < veteran> eh, get a video player, it's worth it.
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01:42 < davidc__> preglow: for standard arms?
01:42 < davidc__> or for the pp5020?
01:44 < preglow> standard arms
01:45 < preglow> for pps you've got the 0x60000000 range and so on as well
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01:58 < davidc__> preglow: I'm fairly sure theres nothing else special in standard arms
01:58 < davidc__> they use the COP for anything funny
02:02 < gaber> whay I dont seen my ipod g2 after install linux in my iTunes? It doesnt mount at all.
02:02 < gaber> s/whay/why/
02:02 < jedix> I don't understand that question
02:03 < gaber> I've installed on ipod g2 ipodlinux.
02:03 < gaber> Installed with success.
02:04 < jedix> that's good new :)
02:04 < jedix> but now you can't mount it?
02:04 < gaber> I plug ipod into powerbook and I dont see it in itunes
02:04 < gaber> via FireWire.
02:04 < ballistix> are you in iPL or apple OS?
02:04 < gaber> osx 10.4
02:05 < ballistix> i mean on the ipod
02:05 < Bi-noix> lol
02:05 < gaber> ipl.
02:05 < ballistix> because if you are in iPodLinux, it won't mount
02:05 < ballistix> you need to reboot and go into apple firmware
02:05 < gaber> but why? :/
02:05 < ballistix> to mount
02:05 < ballistix> because we haven't developed a mount command in iPL
02:05 < ballistix> or something like that
02:05 < gaber> hm...
02:06 < ballistix> it just cant be done
02:06 < ballistix> so reboot and be happy
02:06 < gaber> hm...
02:06 < ballistix> and play KabooM! (http://users.tpg.com.au/182smith/kaboom.bmp)
02:07 < gaber> it's mean that iPL's still proof of concept.
02:07 < gaber> ok, good work.
02:07 < preglow> davidc__: btw, can you tell me the page size of pp5020? i'm trying to understand the values written to mmap2 in hear-arm-whatever.S
02:07 < gaber> I'll try once more in 6 months. :)
02:08 < davidc__> preglow: its whatever you want it to be
02:11 < gaber> ballistix, please remember me, hot to boot from apple OS on G2 ipod?
02:11 < gaber> s/hot/how/
02:13 < ballistix> uh, i dont remember the combo
02:14 < ballistix> www.ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations
02:14 < josh_> gaber: hold down <<
02:14 < ballistix> hold down menu + play to reboot
02:14 < ballistix> is that what you mean?
02:16 < gaber> yes. thank You.
02:17 < gaber> thanks.
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02:21 < ballistix> np
02:22 < ballistix> `karma ballistix
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02:45 < gaber> re
02:46 < aegray> ok..
02:46 < gaber> I've rebooted my ipod, apple OS is working, but in iTunes I dont see my ipod :/
02:48 < jedix> can't see it, or there are no files on it/
02:51 < gaber> I dont see my ipod and its playlist.
02:51 < gaber> in iTunes.
02:52 < ballistix> what os are you using on your computer? windows?
02:52 < ballistix> lol and is your ipod connected properly?
02:52 < gaber> I use osx. Yes, ipod is connecting good.
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02:55 < ballistix> i dont use os x so i dont know
02:55 < ballistix> disconnect it then reconnect it
02:55 < ballistix> and mount it (if you have to in os x)
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03:58 < ballistix> Vanquisher: are you joecool?
03:58 < Vanquisher> yes
03:58 < ballistix> oh
03:58 < Vanquisher> yeah..
03:58 < Vanquisher> joecool is my alter ego
03:58 < ballistix> lol i've still got that C book that you gave me
03:59 < Vanquisher> good book eh
03:59 < Vanquisher> ballistix, one learns much from it
03:59 < Vanquisher> :)
03:59 < ballistix> yeah its pretty good
03:59 < ballistix> doesn't say much about linked lists and stuff tho
04:00 < Vanquisher> eh
04:00 < ballistix> well, i looked through it for a bit and couldn't find much about mallocs and linked lists
04:01 < Vanquisher> ballistix, eh, mpd development is what you should be workin on
04:01 < Vanquisher> :)
04:02 < ballistix> lol nah
04:02 < ballistix> im workin on iKabooM! right now...
04:02 < ballistix> should be finished by tonight if im lucky...
04:02 < Vanquisher> nice
04:02 < Vanquisher> im workin on OSx86
04:02 < Vanquisher> right now
04:03 < Vanquisher> :)
04:03 < ballistix> screenshot: http://users.tpg.com.au/182smith/kaboom.bmp
04:03 < Vanquisher> i got mac on my amd its sweet
04:03 < Vanquisher> :)
04:03 < ballistix> lol
04:03 * Vanquisher hits up the torrents for mucho programs
04:04 < Vanquisher> ballistix, looks good
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04:04 < ballistix> lol thanks
04:04 < Vanquisher> np
04:04 < ballistix> josh is helping me figure out the linked lists stuff to get the bomb drop stuff done
04:05 < Vanquisher> cool cool i feel it will be a instant hit
04:06 < Vanquisher> looks fun
04:06 < ballistix> hehe
04:06 < ballistix> right now it's not so fun... you're basically 3 buckets who try to follow around some robber at the top of the screen
04:06 < ballistix> lol
04:06 < Vanquisher> lol
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04:24 < ballistix> Vanquisher: where is the syntax error here?
04:24 < ballistix> struct bomblist {
04:24 < ballistix> x;
04:24 < ballistix> y;
04:24 < ballistix> struct bomblist *next
04:24 < ballistix> };
04:25 < ballistix> aegray, imphasing: can you help?
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04:28 < ballistix> crap
04:29 < ballistix> no one can help me :(
04:29 < ballistix> ah well, ill figure it out
04:30 < ballistix> i figured it out
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04:36 < ballistix> FUCK YES! KABOOM WORKS!
04:37 < Zol> how do you zoom in picture mode?
04:39 < ballistix> uh, its either left or right
04:39 < Zol> it doesnt work
04:40 < Zol> and the controls are messed up =p
04:40 < ballistix> oh well
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04:52 < ballistix> screenshot: http://users.tpg.com.au/182smith/kaboom.bmp
04:53 < joecool> hrm... any idea what is causing Fatal signal: Bus Error (SDL Parachute Deployed)
04:53 < joecool> Bye-bye now...
04:53 < ballistix> nope
04:53 < ballistix> dude
04:53 < ballistix> look at the screenshot for kaboom!
04:53 < ballistix> http://users.tpg.com.au/182smith/kaboom.bmp
04:53 < aegray> something unaligned
04:53 < ballistix> its good!
04:53 < joecool> aegray: so is it a problem on your end or my end?
04:54 < aegray> i'd guess yours but i'm not sure
04:54 < aegray> what function is it happening in?
04:54 < joecool> no idea.. its happening on startup for podzilla2
04:55 < imphasing> ballistix, that's pretty nifty looking..
04:57 < ballistix> imphasing: thanks
04:57 < ballistix> i just have a little few things to do, then its done
04:57 < ballistix> basically, contact logic
04:58 < imphasing> Cool.
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04:59 < Capso> Can an iPod output 38 khz square waves cleanly from headphone jack?
05:00 < Capso> iPod Mini 2G.
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05:08 < ballistix> imphasing did you get those?
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05:09 < awldkjf> does running linux on the ipod void the warranty?
05:09 < Zol> i believe so
05:10 < awldkjf> is there a way to completely format the drive once its been done, so there wouldn'
05:10 < awldkjf> =wouldn't be any evidence
05:14 < josh_> awldkjf: yes, you run the apple updater and hit "restore"
05:14 < awldkjf> awesome, thanks
05:15 < Aik> hey josh, question for you. are the hardwired RGB values that simulate the 2bpp displays arbitrary?
05:15 < Aik> I think they're 000000, 606060, c0c0c0, and ffffff
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05:18 < Aik> (I ask because they should really take into account that the gamme on these LCDs isn't 1.0... c0c0c0 is not 2/3 brightness, but approximately d0d0d0 would be, and similarly for 606060 vs 909090)))
05:18 < Aik> s/gamme/gamma
05:22 < josh_> Aik: yeah, it's currently 0/80/160/255 RGB
05:22 < josh_> what are the right values?
05:23 < josh_> (so that is 0/50/a0/ff in hex)
05:23 < Capso> Josh_: You know if the iPod Mini 2G can output 38 kHZ square waves fine?
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05:25 < Aik> josh: ah, yes, I screwed up my example values. let's see, I think LCD gamma is usually 2.2, so... *calculator* ... 0, 150, 206, 255
05:26 < josh_> really? 150 and 206?
05:26 < josh_> in my experience the ltgray is really light, but the dkgray is also really dark
05:26 < josh_> 206 seems right, but not 150
05:26 < Aik> yup. gamma is just taking a value to a power.
05:26 < Capso> Josh_: Don't know or ignoring?
05:26 < josh_> Capso: don't know
05:26 < Aik> (206 / 255) ** 2.2
05:27 < Aik> that's actually off a little at 62.5
05:27 < Aik> hmm
05:27 * Aik checks calculations
05:27 < josh_> it seems impossible that the dkgray is over 1/2 light
05:27 < Aik> er 62.5% btw
05:27 < josh_> because that's NEVER the case for what I see
05:28 < Aik> well, lcd gamma varies by vertical angle with the display
05:28 < Aik> so it'll depend on how you're holding your ipod
05:28 < Aik> I think they're engineered to be tipped slightly away from you
05:30 < Aik> hm, I did screw up my calcs. should be 0, 155, 212, 255 for gamma 2.2
05:30 * Aik wonders what he did wrong the first time
05:30 < josh_> still doesn't seem right
05:30 < josh_> idk
05:30 < Aik> I know, but trust me, it is. I deal with NTSC gamma at work, and it's even worse.
05:30 < josh_> once we figure out the right values, it's easy to fix them
05:31 < josh_> are we sure the iPod's LCD is actually 2.2?
05:31 < Aik> I'm only guessing because almost all LCDs are something like that
05:31 < josh_> is there an easy way to find out?
05:31 < Aik> hmm
05:31 < Aik> do we know who makes them?
05:31 < josh_> might be on ~[wiki Generations]
05:32 < iplbot> Generations (http://www.ipodlinux.org/Generations) [12002 bytes]
05:32 < Aik> even if we don't know the exact specs for the exact model, we can assume the manufacturer probably makes most panels with the same gamma
05:33 < josh_> hm, my stack tracing code is failing miserably
05:33 < josh_> #0 00000000 <+0>
05:33 < josh_> #1 [unable to parse frame]
05:35 < Aik> huh, the photo's LCD actually has a gamma adjustment option. I wonder how you control it.
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05:47 < ballistix> that would be an interesting feature for ipl...
05:50 < Aik> I looked at the docs. it looks horrifically complicated to set up the curves.
05:51 < Aik> hm, I'm just going to have to make a gamma ramp test and display it on my actual ipod
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06:12 < Syte> Could anyone here spare a moment to help me with iDoom?
06:12 < ballistix> idoom.hyarion.com
06:12 < Syte> Every time I try to open it on my iPod 3G i get "bFLT" on the display
06:12 < ballistix> lol through all of that i was the only one that didn't get kicked
06:13 < Syte> This topic isn't covered on their site =(
06:13 < joecool> ballistix: you THOUGHT you didn't get kicked
06:13 < joecool> but in reality.. your server was probably just netsplitted from the rest
06:13 < joecool> so you were with just a few
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06:13 < joecool> like i was not kicked either.. yet we were apart
06:14 < Syte> ballistix: IRC is rarely run off one server
06:14 < Syte> it is usually a network
06:14 < Syte> and sometimes the network cant communicate :P
06:15 < ballistix> ah
06:15 < Syte> so no-one has any advice other than "idoom.hyarion.com"
06:16 < ballistix> nope
06:16 < ballistix> no one has a 3g
06:16 < Syte> damn :( i was really looking forward to trying it out lol
06:16 < ballistix> and no one really knows about idoom except hyarion
06:16 < ballistix> look on forums
06:16 < Syte> i got my iPod last july tho :P
06:16 < Syte> i want a new color one
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06:21 < ballistix> lol then break it and send it to apple :P
06:28 < joecool> lol.. haha, you're into the whole frauding idea too
06:28 < joecool> Vanquish1r1 did that.. we picked up his brand new one today
06:29 < ballistix> really? nice
06:29 < joecool> yep
06:30 < ballistix> what did you send in/recieve?
06:30 < joecool> 40gb ipod photo, got back a brand new 40gb ipod photo
06:30 < joecool> brand new too.. not a refurb
06:30 < ballistix> oh yeah
06:31 < ballistix> joecool: did you check out my screenshot?
06:31 < joecool> goddamn though.. mall was nuts
06:32 < joecool> the apple store had like 30-40 people cramped in there.. and they put a table in to make less room
06:32 < ballistix> haha
06:33 < joecool> pretty cool
06:36 < ballistix> ill be on in a couple of hours
06:36 < ballistix> cya
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06:38 < Aik> josh: if you're still around... I put up a gamma test pattern on my nano, and depending pretty heavily on how you hold it, the gamma seems to average about 2.2, just like other LCDs do.
06:39 < josh_> yeah, but that's for a color LCD
06:39 < Aik> oh, absolutely
06:39 < josh_> idk if the b&w ones would be different
06:39 < Aik> aren't the b&w ones just 2bpp?
06:39 < josh_> yes
06:39 < josh_> I thought that's what we were trying to figure out earlier :P - what the 4 shades of grey actually are
06:40 < Aik> I'm assuming they're meant to be 0, 1/3, 2/3, and 1
06:40 < josh_> yeah
06:40 < josh_> which would be 00/55/aa/ff in hex
06:40 < joecool> thats a real big selection you got there :P
06:41 < Aik> which, to display on a color LCD with gamma 2.2, would require gray levels of about 0, 155, 212, and 255
06:41 < josh_> ah I see now
06:41 < josh_> to display on a *color* lcd
06:41 < Aik> yah, sorry, I guess I neglected to say that :)
06:41 < josh_> but why would we need to know the 2bpp values for the color LCD?
06:41 < Aik> I don't know anything at all about the b&w LCDs or if they have non-1.0 gamma
06:42 < josh_> it certainly looks like it
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06:42 < josh_> the light gray is really light and the dark gray is I'd say ~3/5 dark
06:42 < Aik> I'm using the built-in colors for a few UI elements, so the fact that GREY is pretty dark is problematic
06:42 < Aik> grey being value 0b10
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06:43 < Aik> I want my app to work on b&w ipods, though
06:43 < Syte> right, im not being stupid, i really have no clue, how do you update the kernels for ipodlinux, when using a windows machine
06:43 < Aik> so I want to use the builtins
06:43 < KingPunk> it isnt b&w, its greyscale ;)
06:44 < josh_> KingPunk: pretty nearly b&w
06:44 < Aik> b&w televisions are two color? I never knew that.
06:44 < Aik> I always thought b&w tv was greyscale
06:44 < KingPunk> thats my name, josh!
06:44 < KingPunk> :)
06:44 * Aik has his sarcasm hat on
06:44 < KingPunk> actually..
06:44 < KingPunk> the ipod isnt greyscale.
06:44 < KingPunk> isnt it blueish?
06:44 < Aik> the backlight is indiglo, I think
06:44 < Syte> only due to the backlight
06:44 < josh_> btw, anyone have an idea how displaying the value of a function pointer before calling it would magically un-corrupt it?
06:44 < joecool> bluescale that would be :P
06:45 < KingPunk> ahhh..
06:45 < Syte> smart arse.
06:45 < Aik> josh_: stack corruption?
06:45 < KingPunk> hey, sue me.. i try. ;)
06:45 < Aik> if you mean printf by "displaying"
06:45 < Syte> and it is impossible to make black, as black is an absence of color
06:45 < Syte> can anyone help me at all?
06:45 < josh_> Aik: well, it's a function prototyped like printf but displays a dialog box
06:46 < josh_> pz_error() specifically
06:46 < Syte> there is very little documentation for users working on a windows system
06:46 < KingPunk> i bought my 60gb gen-5 yesterday
06:46 < KingPunk> ..i love it.
06:46 < Syte> thats wonderful :P
06:46 < KingPunk> yup.
06:46 < Syte> im still stuck on my 3g
06:46 < josh_> Aik: would the varargs part make much of a difference?
06:46 < Syte> that ive had for around 18 months
06:46 < KingPunk> i gave away my 4g 60gb ipod photo
06:46 < KingPunk> lol
06:46 < Syte> GAVE?!?
06:46 < KingPunk> yeah, to my lil bro.
06:47 < Syte> stupidity is a common cold nowerdays
06:47 < KingPunk> "early xmas presant"
06:47 < joecool> KingPunk: shoulda sold it to his ass.. "you want a b'day present.. i'll sell you my ipod for only $100"
06:47 < Syte> im defragging my ipod
06:47 < KingPunk> if he takes care of it, by his 18th birthday. i'll buy him a shiny new o e.
06:47 < Syte> rofl
06:47 < joecool> er xmas
06:47 < joecool> year
06:47 < Aik> josh_: varargs are a constant source of heisenbugs (bugs that go away when you look too close). printf et al use a lot of stack space and can clobber parts of the stack that you're erroneously using.
06:47 < KingPunk> *one
06:47 < KingPunk> blah.
06:47 < KingPunk> its no biggie.
06:47 < joecool> kwanza, haunikka... whatever the hell you celebrate
06:47 < KingPunk> lol
06:47 < KingPunk> hes my lil bro.
06:48 < KingPunk> i bet you wish you were ;)
06:48 < Syte> please for the love of god, does ANYONE know how to update the kernels on my iPod from a windows system
06:48 < KingPunk> Syte: its on the guide.
06:48 < Aik> josh: e.g. you have an array on the stack and you're accidentally using a negative index. call a routine, it pushes crap on the stack and changes the values at that negative index.
06:48 < Syte> i wanna play dooom damn it
06:48 < joecool> Syte: uninstall windows.. install linux
06:48 < josh_> Aik: cool, but this time the vararg function is making the bug go *away*
06:48 < Syte> lol
06:48 < Syte> KingPunk, where? i cant ffind it.
06:48 < KingPunk> dooom? .. what game is that?
06:48 < Syte> i have looked, im not just being lazy
06:48 < KingPunk> linux.bin = your kernel
06:48 < Syte> i sincerely cannot find the support
06:48 < Aik> josh: yeah, so maybe what you're accessing below your current stack frame fails with one value, but doesn't fail with another. you might have multiple levels of indirection or something.
06:49 < joecool> i'm goin to sleep
06:49 < joecool> damn tired, night all
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06:49 < josh_> Aik: hmm
06:49 < KingPunk> you need to have the right kernel, and your right whatsamagiggie. (sorry, its been a while).. podzilla, yeah. lol. thats it.
06:49 < Syte> and ive downloaded the new kernel which is called "kernel-20041812.7zx", which also comes with a module called "modules-20041812.7zx"
06:49 < josh_> the funcptr itself is to something in .text, which I've verified OK
06:49 < Aik> josh: or it could be darned near anything... you're calling something that scribbles on the screen and maybe writes some value way off in another bit of memory, which just happens to be the one that's sending you awry and making you trash your function pointer as a result.
06:49 < Syte> i have no clue what do with either of them
06:49 < KingPunk> that is the one you have to build.
06:49 < KingPunk> dont do that.
06:49 < joecool|sleep> Syte: its probably zipped with 7-zip
06:50 < josh_> Aik: debugging is fun :P
06:50 < KingPunk> just get yourself an updated linux.bin.
06:50 < Aik> josh_: it's an art form :)
06:50 < joecool|sleep> judging by the .7zx extention
06:50 < josh_> of course, it doesn't trip anything on the desktop - or valgrind, for that matter
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06:50 * KingPunk is downloading: War Of The Worlds.mp4
06:50 < KingPunk> <3
06:50 < KingPunk> lol
06:50 * joecool|sleep is off
06:51 < Syte> iPod is now completely 0% fragmented
06:51 < Syte> wooo
06:51 < josh_> Syte: defragging your '
06:51 < Syte> Go me!
06:51 < KingPunk> until you play a song..
06:51 < josh_> *your 'pod is a bad idea, it'll wear out the drive faster
06:51 < Syte> KingPunk, WHERE FROM!!!!
06:51 < Syte> darn blast n other not very cursive swear words
06:52 < Aik> josh_: btw it might not be that you're fixing the pointer itself by calling the routine... you might be fixing a bad stack pointer to the object that has the pointer in it
06:52 < Aik> I'd just look for uninitialized variables
06:52 < josh_> ok, cool
06:53 < KingPunk> Syte: where did you get your origional install files from, for ipodlinux? ..it came with a linux.bin. ...get the latest and greatest from the same place. must i honestly hold your hand?
06:53 < KingPunk> heh
06:53 < Aik> let's see, the banes of programmers: buffer overruns, uninitialized variables, ... yeah, I think that's it.
06:54 < Syte> joecool|sleep, im downloading a 7-zip decompresser, it it works
06:54 < Syte> me love u long time :>
06:54 < Syte> if it*
06:55 < josh_> Aik: hm, took out the call and it seems not to be crashing there now
06:56 < josh_> (call to pz_warning that is)
06:56 < josh_> problem is that half the time when things crash on uClinux they just freeze
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06:57 < OneTime> ffs, my connection sucks more ass than a thai hooker on a friday night
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06:57 < Aik> josh_: if you changed the code back to the crashing state and it no longer crashes, that sounds pretty uninitialize-variable-y
06:57 < KingPunk> anybody have the universal ipod dock, that comes with the remote.. ??
06:57 < Aik> er uninitialized
06:57 < KingPunk> is it any good?
06:57 < Aik> I have the universal dock, but no remote
06:58 < josh_> Aik: well, still crashes when selecting Calculator - actually freezes (worse)
06:58 < Aik> you have to buy the remote separately
06:58 < josh_> but doesn't crash for another thing anymore
06:58 < Aik> josh_: you can't use the serial debugging?
06:58 < josh_> Aik: nope, 4g :-(
06:58 < Aik> rr.
06:59 < Aik> there's definitely SOMETHING uninitialized somewhere, by the way. pz2 sometimes crashes starting up, sometimes doesn't, with the same code.
06:59 < josh_> hm, define "crash"
06:59 < josh_> freeze? bus-error?
06:59 < Aik> bus error
06:59 < josh_> check out latest SVN and use that
06:59 < Aik> k
06:59 < josh_> it'll write a stack trace to podzilla.oops when it bus-errors
06:59 < Aik> oo cool
07:00 < josh_> hence, right now I'm trying to get it to bus-error :P
07:00 < Syte> i got a new linux.bin
07:00 < Syte> fingers crossed
07:00 < KingPunk> Syte: told you.
07:00 < KingPunk> watch.
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07:00 < KingPunk> if its the right one, ..it'll work.
07:00 < Syte> why oes this stupid installer tell me to boot to linux on the ipod
07:00 < Syte> windows wont connect to it if it sin linux mode
07:01 < KingPunk> do you know how to boot to disk-mode?
07:01 < Syte> menu + play
07:02 < KingPunk> ..no.
07:02 < KingPunk> lol, what ipod?
07:02 < KingPunk> its center + ff for me iirc.
07:03 < Syte> im on a 3g
07:03 < Syte> lol
07:03 < Syte> sad i know
07:03 < KingPunk> yeah. it may be diffrent.
07:03 < KingPunk> so you're wanting to play doom, on a 3g?
07:03 < Syte> but hey
07:03 < Syte> i can say im old school
07:03 < Syte> ()()
07:03 < Syte> (o.O)
07:03 < Syte> (")(")
07:03 < Syte> :D
07:03 < KingPunk> pesh. i played it on my 60gb photo. it was slow.
07:03 < KingPunk> but.. atleast i had color. sheesh.
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07:03 < Syte> sure why not, so long as i can see the pixelate bugger n fire at him
07:03 < KingPunk> OLD SCHOOL. <3
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07:04 < Syte> <3
07:05 < Syte> i cant get windows to recognise my ipod in linux mode, but in apple firmware, the linux updater says boot to linux
07:05 < Syte> vicious circle :/
07:05 < Aik> josh: any recent changes to the kernel for pz2 or can I coast with what I have?
07:05 < josh_> one you have should work
07:06 < josh_> though remember to move the modules to /usr/lib
07:06 < KingPunk> Syte: you dont have to be in linux to update it. boot to disk mode.
07:06 < josh_> (pz2 modules that is)
07:06 < KingPunk> simply use windows, to move the linux.bin file..
07:06 * Syte grumbles
07:06 < KingPunk> move the old one to linux.bin.back
07:06 < josh_> Aik: hmm, does malloc() always return aligned addresses?
07:06 < KingPunk> and move the new one to where the linux.bin was.
07:06 < KingPunk> and reboot to linux
07:06 < KingPunk> it should work fine.
07:06 < Syte> ill try
07:07 < KingPunk> if it doesnt, you also need a new version of the podzilla.
07:07 < KingPunk> or w/e it is.
07:07 < Aik> josh: it should return at least 4-byte aligned... usually it's the minimum alignment of an atomic piece of data for the architecture
07:07 < Syte> u want to know something unusal
07:07 < Syte> podzilla works
07:08 < KingPunk> yeah.
07:08 < Syte> yet i can find no evidence of it on the ipod
07:08 < josh_> Aik: hm, that should be good enough
07:08 < KingPunk> but i think its an experimental one.. that has doom with it.
07:08 < Syte> apart from a folder named linux
07:08 < Aik> josh: heh, install instructions in the Makefile. that's a good idea. :)
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07:08 < josh_> Aik: how often does yours bus-error on loading?
07:11 < Syte> ARRRRGGGG
07:11 < Syte> is all i have to say
07:11 < josh_> Syte: ARRRRGGGG = weird pixel format
07:11 < Syte>
07:11 < Syte>
07:11 < Syte>
07:11 < Syte>
07:11 < Syte>
07:11 < Syte> thats a wierd pixel format
07:11 < Syte> :D
07:13 < Aik> josh_: just did it. died down in <__default_sa_restorer+0> during pz_modules_init
07:14 < Aik> if it's module initialization, it might be my module
07:14 < josh_> got any more stack context?
07:14 < josh_> the next line down will probably be junk, but after that are the real calls
07:14 < Aik> I have the call stack output... is pastebin still broken?
07:14 < josh_> try rafb.net/paste
07:15 < Aik> http://rafb.net/paste/results/INJVlo62.html
07:16 < josh_> okay, there's *something* wrong with that trace
07:16 < Syte> KingPunk: its apparently updated, time to check
07:16 < Syte> lol
07:16 < josh_> it's going from main -> pz_modules init -> *somewhere else in main*
07:16 < KingPunk> ok.
07:16 < KingPunk> check.
07:16 * josh_ code != bugfree
07:16 < KingPunk> reboot, of course.
07:17 < Syte> hmmm, odd, i just got the sudden feelin that i was being stabbed in the testicle.. and strangely enough.. i wasnt
07:17 < Aik> josh_: which order are you printing the stack in? callees above callers?
07:17 < josh_> yep
07:17 < josh_> just like gdb
07:17 < Aik> k
07:18 < Syte> right i got a great idea
07:18 < Syte> WIPE ipod
07:18 < Syte> start from scratch
07:18 < Syte> with new kernal
07:18 < josh_> okay, the +3dc matches a call to modules_init
07:19 < Aik> that's -g code btw
07:19 < josh_> aha, uCdl is ignoring static symbols
07:19 < josh_> the +13ec is actually in do_load
07:20 < Aik> at least I think it was -g code... *rebuilds from scratch*
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07:20 < josh_> Aik: -g doesn't matter, it's just the symbol table
07:20 < josh_> which is needed for module loading anyway
07:20 < josh_> you'd know if something was amiss with that :P
07:20 < Aik> josh: I just say that as a way of saying it was not -O2
07:20 < josh_> Aik: ah ok, cool
07:20 < Aik> I know -g is just symbols
07:21 < josh_> ok, the +13ec is the result of an indirect jump to *(*(FP - 20) + 64), whatever that is
07:22 < josh_> well, *(FP - 20) = first arg to do_load
07:22 < Aik> well, if it's my module, that'd probably the init function, no?
07:22 < josh_> yeah
07:22 < Aik> +be
07:22 < Aik> this is probably my bug, don't worry too much about it
07:22 < josh_> also, I'm pretty sure it loses the stack frame for the function that caused the signal
07:22 < josh_> which isn't too useful :P
07:23 < josh_> that's a consequence of the signal setjmps and stuff
07:23 < Aik> I dunno about arm, but for mips you can usually figure out the stack frame
07:23 < josh_> that I don't know how to work around
07:23 < josh_> "figure out" = ?
07:23 < Aik> so there's probably a way
07:23 < Aik> wait, do you mean you lose the sp entirely, or just that it gets moved and you're not sure where it was?
07:23 < Aik> moved = stuff pushed onto it
07:24 < josh_> I mean there should be another line in there -- between the do_load and the $a+foo -- and there's not.
07:24 < josh_> erm... wait...
07:24 < josh_> I think the $a+foo is actually your module
07:24 < Aik> I think so too
07:25 < josh_> because in that case it *is* looking at static syms
07:25 < josh_> too closely :P
07:25 * josh_ does some fixes wrt that
07:25 < Aik> wait... what's $a? an address?
07:25 < josh_> a special symbol meaning "this is ARM code"
07:25 < josh_> the linker inserts tons of 'em
07:25 < Aik> hm
07:26 < josh_> there's also $t, $d, and probably others as wel
07:26 < josh_> *well
07:26 < josh_> ($t = Thumb $d = Data)
07:26 < Aik> so basically we got four instructions into something and barfed
07:26 < josh_> no, we got four instructions past an arbitrary point and barfed :P
07:27 < Aik> how arbitrary? not function-level?
07:27 < josh_> it might be a function
07:27 < josh_> but no guarantees
07:27 < josh_> I don't really know, maybe that *is* guaranteed
07:27 < Aik> hm, we have the address. I wonder if I can look at this via objdumo.
07:27 < Aik> er objdump
07:27 < Syte> i understand all the words you are using, yet not one sentance you've said i've comprehended lol
07:28 < josh_> Aik: the address is relative to the module's base address, which you don't know
07:28 < josh_> I'll fix it and you can try to reproduce it again
07:28 < josh_> how hard is it for you to reproduce the bug?
07:28 < Aik> not very :)
07:28 < Aik> maybe 1/4 runs
07:28 < josh_> cool
07:29 < Syte> why cant apple make individual installers for their firmware
07:29 < Syte> isntead of sticking 12 different firmwares into a 55MB file
07:29 < Syte> ffs
07:29 < Syte> lol
07:31 < Aik> because they'd get tech support calls all day from people who couldn't pick the right one
07:31 < Syte> its not hard
07:31 < Aik> bandwidth gets sacrificed for support efficiency
07:31 < Syte> u hold ur device in front of you
07:31 < Aik> it's not hard for YOU :)
07:31 < Syte> compare to the pic in front of you
07:32 < Syte> and TADA
07:32 < Syte> fool proof
07:32 < Syte> unless they're blind...
07:32 < Aik> you haven't met any fools, have you?
07:32 < Syte> in which case, id have a none blind friend do it for me.
07:32 < Syte> how the hell is a blind person gonna know when 55 meg is done
07:32 < Aik> I dunno, I just understand the motivation
07:32 < Syte> they cant see the progress bar
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07:32 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/ (core/Makefile core/pz.c module.mk): Makefile fixes + stack trace fix. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/289)
07:32 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/contrib/ucdl/ (symadd.c ucdl.c): Add static symbols (for debugging). (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/290)
07:33 < josh_> Aik: there you are
07:33 < Syte> i so cannot wait for my 10MBit
07:33 < Aik> yah
07:33 < Aik> oh there I am, not am I there
07:33 < josh_> er, s/are/go
07:33 * Aik ups
07:33 < josh_> re-up pz2, see if it gives a more informative trace now
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07:35 < josh_> Aik: since I'm on amd64, I tend to be able to overrun things by more without seeing the effects... not too handy when the machine that *does* see the effects is an iPod.
07:35 < Aik> /tmp/ccYmmyF9.s: Assembler messages:
07:35 < Aik> /tmp/ccYmmyF9.s:41: Warning: ignoring changed section attributes for .text
07:35 < Aik> during stage 1
07:35 < Aik> any idea what that is?
07:35 < josh_> that's fine
07:35 < Aik> k
07:36 < josh_> it's just because I'm putting a variable (uCdl_magic) in .text
07:36 < Aik> never noticed that before
07:36 < Aik> k
07:36 < Syte> omg
07:36 < josh_> which is intentional, since it's supposed to make sure .text is aligned right
07:36 < Syte> this is so not allowed, aDANCE remix of john lennon
07:36 < Syte> wtf
07:36 < Syte> thats so disrespectful
07:36 < josh_> Aik: it shows up whenever uCdl changes, which isn't very often
07:38 < Syte> what are you actually makin?
07:38 < Syte> oout of intrest
07:38 < Syte> lol
07:38 < josh_> Syte: bugfixes for pz2
07:38 < Syte> oh
07:38 < Syte> ok
07:39 < Syte> lol :P
07:39 < Syte> sorry im nosey
07:39 < Aik> josh: uCdl_open failed: Error: incorrect offset computation (uCdl_datamagic): *0xf5be10 (0) != *0xf5be14 (12345678) offset e00040
07:40 < Aik> on running pz2
07:41 < josh_> hmm, probably messed something up
07:41 < Aik> I wonder how many times I can write to the flash mem in the nano
07:46 < Syte> make an infinate loop, and see what it gets to before u hit an error
07:46 < Syte> lol
07:46 < josh_> Aik: ah, bug in symadd
07:47 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/podzilla2/contrib/ucdl/symadd.c: bug (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/291)
07:47 * Aik ups
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07:48 < jax0m> awesome. i knew i'd find you guys here.
07:48 < jax0m> anyone around? i need to be able to figure out what gen this ipod is/
07:48 < Syte> lol
07:48 < Syte> u got a pic of it?
07:48 < Syte> well describe the button layout
07:49 < Syte> are all the controls on the wheel?
07:49 < jax0m> erm... no. it's 20 gb ipod. click wheel, menu, back, forward, play/pause, center click
07:49 < jax0m> yep
07:49 < Syte> 4g
07:49 < jax0m> with the dock connector on the bottom
07:49 < jax0m> 20 gb
07:49 < josh_> color screen?
07:49 < Syte> ^^
07:49 < jax0m> no color.
07:49 < Syte> hmm
07:49 < josh_> yep, 4g
07:49 < jax0m> okay.
07:49 < Syte> they do a color 20g?
07:49 < Syte> 20gb*
07:49 < jax0m> i tried using the windows installer and i'm having issues.
07:49 < Syte> tell me about it jax0m
07:50 < jax0m> i was thinking maybe i needed to downgrade the apple firmware, but i suppose not.
07:50 < Syte> lol
07:50 < Syte> been having probs all night
07:50 < Syte> u tried the new kernels?
07:50 < Syte> thats all anyone in here told me to do
07:50 < jax0m> not yet, just getting started.
07:50 < jax0m> i had no idea you could put linux on an ipod... i'm a late bloomer to all this
07:51 < Syte> lol
07:51 < Syte> :P
07:51 < jax0m> then again, i used to be involved with netbsd, and they put that shit on toasters
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07:51 < jax0m> so i shouldn't be too surprised.
07:51 -!- jax0m is now known as jackie
07:51 < Syte> i put linux in a show box n compromised my college network :stealth:
07:52 < Syte> shoe*
07:52 < KingPunk> hi nonadz, im assuming you have NO Nadz?
07:52 < KingPunk> poor thing you.
07:52 < jackie> heh
07:52 < nonadz> ya :/
07:53 < jackie> Syte: i thought the 4G ipods had color screens.
07:53 < Syte> jackie, i thought it was only 5g n above
07:53 < Syte> i might be wrong
07:54 < jackie> i'm just making sure.
07:54 < jackie> i'm the first one to admit i don't know jack about this.
07:54 < nonadz> I've been reading the forums and have been unclear on 4G iPods, is there unsupported release that works with the new display?
07:55 < Aik> josh: the good news is that it works now. the bad news is that it's not crashing now. I'll keep trying.
07:55 < Syte> dont u want it to work?
07:55 < Syte> rofl
07:55 < Aik> Syte: there's an erratic bug. it's not the one josh just fixed.
07:57 < nonadz> hm.. ok, next question, how many of you guys watch porn on your iPods?
07:57 < KingPunk> ME ME ME ME!
07:57 < KingPunk> on my NEW SHINY 60gb ipod video white!
07:57 < KingPunk> WOO! OOOH! :)
07:57 < nonadz> damnit you.. white... I knew you where raceist
07:57 < KingPunk> lol
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07:58 < KingPunk> did you see muh msn nick?
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07:58 < KingPunk> "..we're racist up here, nobody likes black ice.."
07:58 * KingPunk laughs
07:58 < Syte> KingPunk, i bet you'll put a request in for an "Audi-OH MY GOD ITS IN MY ASS"
07:58 < nonadz> ya
07:58 < Syte> :P
07:58 < Syte> just kidding <3
07:58 < nonadz> erm...
07:58 < nonadz> ok, I just like watching porn on elevators.. people give ya funny looks
07:58 < KingPunk> Syte: honestly.. normally i laugh at retarded things. but you're just gay.
07:59 < nonadz> and retarded people are straight :)
07:59 < KingPunk> yup
07:59 < KingPunk> even his mommy who liked it so good
07:59 < KingPunk> mmmm
07:59 < KingPunk> threw it up in there like a hotdog down a hallway.
08:00 < KingPunk> SHA-BAM!
08:00 < nonadz> ya.. why do you still dig her up?
08:00 < KingPunk> gave up on her.
08:01 < Syte> You're sad, I was having a joke.
08:02 < KingPunk> im not sad. im happy.
08:02 < KingPunk> she and i are over with now ;)
08:03 < Syte> KingPunk, i updated the kernels
08:03 < Syte> and still i get "bFLT"
08:03 < Syte> and no doom
08:03 < Syte> :(
08:04 < KingPunk> you just updated the kernel only, didnt you?
08:04 < KingPunk> ..did you update podzilla to an experimental one?
08:04 < KingPunk> ..if you didnt, thats your problem.
08:04 < Syte> :/
08:04 < Syte> kk
08:06 < Syte> is "vipodzilla" acceptably experimental?
08:06 < Syte> lol
08:07 < KingPunk> no
08:07 < KingPunk> dont touch it.
08:07 < KingPunk> i had a hell of a time with it
08:07 < Syte> k
08:08 < Syte> http://ipodlinux.org/builds/2005-04-30-kernel.bin.gz <-- is that?
08:08 < jackie> aww, crap
08:08 < jackie> i got it... i got it to boot linux -
08:09 < jackie> except it just gives me a black screen now.
08:09 < Syte> lol
08:09 < Syte> contrast = 100%
08:09 < Syte> ul
08:09 < Syte> :P
08:09 < jackie> that's what i thought, as well
08:09 < jackie> it's in the readme
08:09 < jackie> but i can't reset it using menu/play-pause
08:10 < Syte> lies
08:10 < Syte> turn ur hold key off
08:10 < Syte> :P
08:10 < jackie> but menu+circle worked
08:10 < Syte> uhm
08:10 < Syte> its menu circle on 4g
08:10 < Syte> sorry
08:10 < Syte> lol
08:10 < jackie> now, how do i adjust the contrast.
08:10 < Syte> hmm
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08:10 < jackie> it said the screen would be dark, yet viewable. it isn't.
08:11 < jackie> it's completely black heh
08:11 < jackie> also, when i reset, i can't get back into apple's firmware.
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08:12 < lucia246> hi
08:12 < Syte> jackie
08:12 < jackie> yes?
08:12 < Syte> whilst restarting
08:12 < Syte> hold Rewind
08:13 < jackie> wait wait. it gave me the black screen, i waited, now it's doing something.
08:13 < jackie> Syte: i know. that wasn't working.
08:13 < jackie> now it's outputting a bunch of 1's.
08:13 < Syte> binary soup
08:13 < Syte> lol
08:13 < Syte> but no 0's
08:13 < Syte> damn
08:13 < jackie> failed to open /etc/podzilla.conf, using defaults
08:13 < jackie> when i touch the click wheel, it generates garbage
08:14 < jackie> also, holding rewind does NOTHING to boot apple's firmware/
08:15 < jackie> and what really sucks, is i don't have my ac adapter with me, so if i upload the original firmware i'm fucked to reset it and i'll have to either buy one or take it to the apple store.
08:15 < jackie> (again) ugh
08:15 < Syte> lol :/
08:16 < Syte> jackie, thats not garbage
08:16 < Syte> lol
08:16 < jackie> ...
08:16 < Syte> each button has a keyboard button
08:16 < Syte> rewind should output "r"
08:16 < Syte> menu something like "m"
08:16 < jackie> i'm not at a prompt or anything. i couldn't do anything
08:16 < Syte> etc
08:16 < jackie> right
08:17 < jackie> and now windows won't detect the ipod since it's fucked up. and i can't boot it to the apple firmware.
08:17 < jackie> whoop dee doo!
08:17 < Syte> does say at ur own risk
08:17 < jackie> yeah, it's cool :p
08:18 < Syte> did u not pull the connector at the wrong time or sumat?
08:18 < jackie> i'm not pissed off, i'll get it to work eventually
08:18 < Syte> i fucked mine up like 9 months ago installing linux
08:18 < Syte> sacked it off
08:18 < Syte> but wanted to try n get doom workin
08:18 < Syte> so here i am again..
08:19 < jackie> i can't even turn the damn thing off now!
08:20 < Syte> fuck me the latest firmware for the 3g lets u shift ur songs across so much faster
08:20 < Syte> lol
08:20 < jackie> ooh wait - i switched hold on and off and the backlight came on
08:20 < jackie> that's interesting
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08:20 < Syte> hmm
08:20 < Syte> i think u got gremlins mate
08:21 < Syte> in ur iPod
08:21 < Syte> iShod.
08:21 < jackie> hmm
08:21 < Syte> made by some people in Shitaly
08:21 < jackie> i got to the point where the click wheel will work
08:22 < jackie> how do i do anything constructive with this?
08:22 < Syte> lol
08:22 < Syte> still cant see screen?
08:22 < jackie> no, i can now.
08:22 < jackie> i can't figure out to how to turn on the backlight, however.
08:22 < Syte> are u on the firmware or pz ?
08:22 < jackie> pz?
08:23 < Syte> podzillla
08:23 < jackie> i'm not sure.
08:23 < Syte> lol
08:23 < Syte> does it look like it did when u first bought it
08:23 < Syte> or not
08:23 < jackie> i don't think it opened podzilla, it said it couldn't find the configuration file so it was using defaults
08:23 < jackie> no, dude. it booted linux.
08:23 < jackie> got a black screen. turned hold on, then off. got to a standstill.
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08:24 < jackie> it's not doing anything, and i don't see a way to get it to do anything.
08:24 < Syte> i dunno man
08:24 < jackie> i can input letters with the wheel. that's about it
08:24 < Syte> im new to this too
08:24 < jackie> i'm not a man! :)
08:24 < ballistix> jackie: lol i used to know a girl named jackie
08:24 < ballistix> lived in china
08:24 < Syte> i use "man" as a general tuen
08:24 < jackie> why does everyone say "lol" constantly?
08:24 < Syte> term*
08:25 < jackie> is that necessary? noobs
08:25 < jackie> :)
08:25 < jackie> lol
08:25 < ballistix> haha you're the one that cant get iPL on your ipod!
08:25 < jackie> lolololololol
08:25 < Syte> lol = laughin, lack of conversation, a response given when nothing else to say
08:25 < ballistix> lol = amusing
08:25 < jackie> ballistix: give me a break. i'm not the biggest handheld geek there is - but i'm sure i could teach you a thing or two
08:25 < jackie> ;)
08:25 < Syte> lol
08:25 < Syte> get in
08:25 < Syte> lol
08:25 < Syte> ()()
08:25 < Syte> (o.O)
08:25 < Syte> (")(")
08:25 < jackie> haha
08:25 < ballistix> Yes I'm sure
08:25 < jackie> fucking dorks
08:26 < Syte>
08:26 < Syte> ok
08:26 < Syte> on with the show
08:26 < ballistix> check out my game: KabooM! (http://users.tpg.com.au/182smith/kaboom.bmp)
08:27 < Syte> hahah
08:28 < Syte> iKaboo<
08:28 < ballistix> yep
08:28 < Syte> isnt the object of the game
08:28 < ballistix> its good
08:28 < Syte> iNotGonnaKaboom
08:28 < ballistix> sorta
08:28 < ballistix> the object is to catch all of the bombs
08:28 < Syte> kk
08:28 < Syte> wait..
08:28 < Syte> CATCH?
08:29 < ballistix> yeah, in those buckets on the left over there
08:29 < ballistix> here, have a flash recreat
08:30 < ballistix> http://www.groovz.com/play/kaboom
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08:30 < Syte> hmm
08:30 < Syte> kk
08:30 < Syte> illl try
08:32 < ballistix> lol its fun on ipod
08:32 * Syte increases mouse sensitivity
08:32 < ballistix> lol yeah
08:32 < jackie> okay
08:33 < jackie> this might be completely fucked.
08:33 < jackie> i can't fix linux. i can't get the apple firmware to boot. and windows won't detect it anymore.
08:33 < ballistix> noobzor
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08:34 < jackie> also, the installer works with windows, so it doesn't see it attached to the system either
08:34 < Syte> thats kinda unlucky =/
08:34 < Syte> wish i cud help
08:34 < Syte> but i know fuck all about it
08:34 < Syte> lol
08:34 < jackie> there's an apple store... it's still under warranty. i can get them to fix it.
08:34 < Syte> nope
08:34 < jackie> unless they bitch about me modifying it
08:34 < Syte> linux on ipod = warrenty void
08:35 < josh_> jackie: depends who you go to...
08:35 < jackie> in which case i'll whine and say a friend borrowed it or something ;)
08:35 < josh_> some of them think it's cool
08:35 < josh_> some of them don't care
08:35 < jackie> josh_: i think they wouldn't care around here. they're pretty cool.
08:36 < Syte> im so gutted that i cant get doom workin :(
08:36 < jackie> doom on linuX?
08:36 < Syte> same old "bFLT" error
08:36 < Syte> yes
08:36 < Syte> iDoom
08:36 < Syte> :)
08:36 < jackie> HEH
08:36 < jackie> *heh
08:36 < jackie> you should just try using a windows emulator and running that version.
08:36 < Syte> but it keeps throwing me the error "bFLT" when i try to launch it
08:37 < Syte> a window emulator on my ipod?
08:37 < Syte> pff
08:37 < Syte> thats silly
08:37 < jackie> oh, i thought you were talking about reg. linux
08:37 < jackie> on normal hw
08:37 < Syte> iDoom was made for the iPod :P
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08:37 < jackie> i wouldn't know.
08:37 < Syte> i just cant get it working on mine :(
08:37 < Syte> josh_, are you still around?
08:38 < josh_> yep
08:38 < jackie> josh_: got any idea how i can fix this?
08:38 < Syte> I'm just wandering if you can direct me to the latest kernal
08:38 < josh_> `latest
08:38 < josh_> er... iplbot, where art thou?
08:38 < Syte> yaps
08:38 < Syte> lol
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08:38 < Syte> not here :P
08:38 < Syte> hehe
08:38 < Syte> :)
08:38 < josh_> `latest
08:38 < iplbot> Kernel: http://www.ipodlinux.org/builds/2005-11-27-kernel.bin.gz || Podzilla: http://www.ipodlinux.org/builds/2005-11-27-podzilla.gz || Remember to gunzip the files. If podzilla looks corrupted, check if the first four letters are 'bFLT'; if so, it's not compressed.
08:38 < josh_> there
08:38 < Syte> ty
08:38 < Syte> :)
08:39 < Syte> "If podzilla looks corrupted, check if the first four letters are 'bFLT'; if so, it's not compressed."
08:39 < Syte> thats my error
08:39 < Syte> :/
08:39 < Syte> for doom anyway
08:40 < Syte> josh_: sorry to nag.. but "The requested URL /builds/2005-11-27-kernel.bin.gz was not found on this server."
08:41 < josh_> that's because it's 00:40 right now and the builds haven't been put up yet :P
08:41 < josh_> try 2005-11-26
08:41 < Syte> hehe
08:41 < Syte> ok
08:41 < Syte> thanks
08:42 < Syte> are the kernels updated every day?
08:42 < Syte> lol
08:42 < Syte> it seems that way
08:42 < josh_> the nightlies are
08:42 < josh_> but sometiems they haven't changed in the day :P
08:43 < Syte> btw
08:43 < Syte> 00:40?
08:43 < Syte> //say $time
08:43 < Syte> 08:43:58
08:43 < Syte> lol
08:43 < Syte> ive not slept again
08:44 < Syte> i must stop doing this
08:46 < Syte> ok
08:46 < Syte> i hope this new kernel works:(
08:46 < josh_> also, did you chmod +x doom?
08:46 < Syte> for the last 3 hours
08:46 < Syte> ive been trying to get this to work
08:46 < Syte> im on a windows machine
08:46 < Syte> how does one do that
08:46 < Syte> from where im sat
08:46 < Syte> lol
08:47 < josh_> put "chmod +x /path/to/idoom" in your start script
08:47 < Syte> ok, you know "start"
08:47 < Syte> in the /hp dir
08:47 < Syte> if i put "chmod +x /home/hp/iDoom/iDoom"
08:47 < Syte> should that do it?
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08:48 < josh_> er, if it's in /hp it doesn't need it
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08:52 < OneTime> i now have a lovely folder on my ipod display
08:52 < OneTime> with an exclaimation next to it
08:52 < OneTime> marvelous.
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08:54 < Syte> ive disconnected from the pc
08:54 < Syte> and it still says "Ok to disconnect"
08:54 < Syte> DOH!
08:56 * Syte reformats ipod.. AGAIN!!
08:56 < Syte> *grumble*
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09:12 < jackie> ugh
09:12 < jackie> totally screwed. i'll have to take it to the apple store and flutter my eyelashes a bit at the guys and see if they help me.
09:16 < Syte> is there anyway of me connecting to my iPod with a shelll connection or something
09:16 < Syte> i really cant think how i could chmod my doom
09:17 < Syte> hmm
09:17 < Syte> whats the dos command for chmod
09:17 < Syte> still chmod?
09:18 < joshk> there are no permissions in dos..
09:18 < joshk> i mean, in FAT
09:19 < Syte> hmm
09:19 < Syte> so i cant do it thru a dos promt
09:19 < Syte> directly accessing my ipod
09:19 < Syte> ?
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09:20 < Syte> uhm.. thats odd
09:20 < Syte> cos i got linux installed on the ipod
09:20 < Syte> and thats running FAT32
09:21 < Syte> u wrong
09:21 < Syte> chmod = ATTRIB in dos
09:21 < Syte> just googled it
09:24 < Syte> hmm
09:25 < Quarryman> well.. attrib won't let you do something like 'chmod +x'
09:25 < Syte> i just noticed
09:26 < Syte> do u think i could make a shell to the ipod?
09:26 < Quarryman> no idea..
09:26 < joshk> Syte: dude
09:26 < joshk> the linux partition is ext3
09:26 < joshk> or ext32
09:26 < joshk> *ext2
09:27 < Syte> hmm
09:27 < Syte> im so confused with all this shit
09:27 < Syte> how can i get it to chmod it then
09:27 < Syte> is there no autoexec file i can inject a chmod into
09:27 < Syte> ?
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09:30 < Syte> omg
09:30 < Syte>
09:30 < Syte> i updated to yesterdays
09:30 < Syte> wtf
09:32 < Syte> pz doesnt like windows users does it :/
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09:53 < Syte> yo, i found a way to chmod it ;D
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09:57 < Syte> that made no difference:(
09:57 < Syte> still same old same old "bFLT"
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10:03 < Synapse> ballistix: What the crap?
10:04 < ballistix> what
10:04 < Synapse> You highlighted, then /msged me.
10:05 < ballistix> oh lol
10:05 < ballistix> that was when the service shut down
10:05 < Synapse> ...
10:05 < Synapse> So?
10:05 < ballistix> i was like... eh... synapse
10:05 < Synapse> Why me?
10:05 < ballistix> cause you and me were the only people left on this server
10:05 < ballistix> are you in australia?
10:07 < Synapse> Yeah.
10:07 < Synapse> I'm on asimov.
10:08 < ballistix> ??
10:09 < ballistix> well i guess that explains it
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11:34 < allfonts_alfons> I've installed ipodlinux on my nano, and it works great. but i can't reach my nano from windows, i just see a new disk in my computer, but i can't open it
11:35 < coob> could you before?
11:36 < allfonts_alfons> yes, before i installed ipodlinux
11:36 < coob> ok, that's weird.
11:36 < jackie> my ipod is fucked from what i did to it today.
11:36 < jackie> on my 4G.
11:37 < jackie> i sent an email to the admin of the project.
11:37 < jackie> Well. I have a 4g that I tried hooking up with linux - Unfortunately,
11:37 < jackie> I didn't downgrade the apple firmware to 2005-03-23, (I had 2005-10-12
11:37 < jackie> on it) and linux will not properly boot because I didn't rtfm well
11:37 < jackie> enough and didn't pick an interface. Now I have linux booting up but
11:37 < jackie> throwing me to a blank screen (Which I don't think is a contrast
11:37 < jackie> problem) and I can't use the rewind key to get to the Apple firmware.
11:37 < jackie> My windows laptop won't detect it anymore no matter what I do, and
11:37 < coob> allfonts_alfons: are you in disk mode when you plug it in
11:37 < jackie> that goes for the installer as well... So I'm kindof screwed :)
11:38 < allfonts_alfons> coob: no.. how do i?
11:38 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o coob ] by ChanServ
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11:38 < coob> jackie: don't do that.
11:38 < coob> allfonts_alfons, jackie, this applies to both of you:
11:38 < coob> hold menu and select to reset, straight after it does, hold select and play
11:39 < allfonts_alfons> ok
11:39 < coob> this will put the ipod into disk mode
11:39 < coob> then plug it in
11:40 < allfonts_alfons> it's in disk mode now. still can't reach it
11:40 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b %jackie!*@* ] by coob
11:40 < coob> allfonts_alfons: allfonts_alfons try a different machine
11:40 < coob> failing that, try the apple restore utility
11:41 < allfonts_alfons> well, i only have one machine
11:41 < allfonts_alfons> with windows
11:41 < allfonts_alfons> and one with linux
11:41 < coob> jackie: you need to use the restore utility also
11:49 < allfonts_alfons> i think almost 2gb is unpartitioned on my ipod. should i create a partition of it?
11:49 < allfonts_alfons> and if i do, will i be able to put music on it and then listen to it?
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12:08 < jackie> coob: thank you.
12:10 < jackie> is there any way to reset the ipod after a firmware upgrade/reset without plugging it into the a/c adapter?
12:11 < jackie> it won't work with my usb cable, i don't think it's pushing enough power, and i don't have my adapter anymore - the last time i did this the other day, i had to go to the apple store to have them plug it in
12:11 < jackie> thank god for warranties
12:17 < TrisoBoy> did someone resolve fat 16 's problem with the nano?
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12:28 < slowcoder> jackie: Nope, there isnt a solution to the AC adapter problem
12:28 < slowcoder> TrisoBoy: The problem is known as "Why installers suck"
12:29 < TrisoBoy> ok :(
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13:12 < jackie> slowcoder: sucks.
13:13 < slowcoder> Tell me about it.. I'm in the same situation right now.. My wall AC is at work, and I need to get some B&W code debugged
13:20 < jackie> ugh.
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13:39 < tanq> hey does the windows installer do the partitioning for you?
13:39 < tanq> or do you have to still do that manually
13:44 < slowcoder> It does them for you, yet if you have a Nano, it will do them incorrectly
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13:48 < jepagodo> what should the first and last cylinder be for a 2GB nano?
13:49 < jepagodo> when partitioning it
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14:20 < redondos> jepagodo: that information is available either at the wiki or at the forums, or both.
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15:14 < narkone> hi
15:15 < fok> my mini 2g doesn't switch to disk mode anymore when ich connect the cable... manual disk mode doesn't work neither... any ideas?
15:15 < narkone> i was install linuxpod on my mini ipod 1g and the play list are duplicated
15:15 < allfonts_alfons> buy a new ipod
15:15 < narkone> some ideaS?
15:18 < narkone> ?¿
15:19 < leachbj> narkone: thats a bug
15:22 < allfonts_alfons> what's the dialer for?
15:24 < narkone> umm
15:24 < narkone> and no fix?
15:28 < narkone> i can change the lenguage?
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15:31 < tcmjr> What is the adress for svn timeline ?
15:32 < slowcoder> https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/courtc/trac.cgi/timeline
15:33 < leachbj> narkone: none that i've seen working. I thought there was a patch for libitunesdb (which is what we're using with the old podzilla) but it didnt seem to help
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15:42 < tcmjr> slowcoder, thanks
15:46 < narkone> ok
15:46 < narkone> thanks
15:46 < narkone> bye
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15:50 < jepagodo> what should the first and last cylinder be for a 2GB nano when partitioning it?
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16:06 < axxe1> hey
16:07 < axxe1> is there any chance that i can install linux on my ipod now?
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16:08 < allfonts_alfons> axxe1: yes
16:08 < axxe1> well.... even if i have the iPod 60 gb? not the video version... the version before
16:10 < allfonts_alfons> yep
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16:33 < BarHarborUSA> axxe1: I had iPodLinux on my iPod Photo 60gb before I upgraded to the Video. Even ran DOOM with the WAD from Doom2 (I have the set) and it was reasonably playable.
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16:50 < axxe1> ok... bcuz when i tried to install it last time (1 1/2 month ago) it was just black when u started the ipod..the only thing i could hear was the click wheel
16:51 < allfonts_alfons> probably the contrast
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16:54 < karmon> aegray: i think someone in the forums might really...really like you
16:54 < imphasing> How many people here have one of the new ipods?
16:54 < imphasing> (Just wondering if it woudl be good for testing purposes to buy one...)
16:54 < karmon> and his name is do_me_nice
16:55 < karmon> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3420&start=45
16:55 < imphasing> s/woudl/would/
16:55 < aegray> woh
16:56 < imphasing> woh, indeed.
16:56 < allfonts_alfons> imphasing: you mean like nano?
16:56 < imphasing> I mean a 5G
16:56 < imphasing> With video.
16:56 < allfonts_alfons> ok
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16:56 < imphasing> Nanos are stupid, and I would never buy one.
16:56 < allfonts_alfons> why are they?
16:56 < allfonts_alfons> i love my nano :>
16:57 < imphasing> It's a complete ripoff. They may be small, but it's a crazy high price for a small amount of storage.
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16:57 < imphasing> I would rather buy a 30gb ipod for the same price.
16:58 < imphasing> (used of course)
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17:37 < BHSPitMonkey> umm, i loove my nano too
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18:02 < DETN8R> anyone around?
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18:06 < allfonts_alfons> oh yes
18:06 < DETN8R> well apparently I cant read and I have screwed up my nano
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18:07 < DETN8R> I cant seem to get the iPod updater to "mount" my ipod
18:07 < slowcoder> DETN8R: Check the forums.. You arent the first
18:07 < DETN8R> ok
18:08 < BarHarborUSA> DETN8R: are you using USB or Firewire interface?
18:09 < slowcoder> BarHarborUSA: There is no firewire on the Nano
18:09 < BarHarborUSA> Sorry just dropped in.
18:09 < DETN8R> USB
18:09 < DETN8R> on my laptap. it doesnt have firewire
18:09 < BarHarborUSA> Limited experience with Nano. Have you tried rebooting the Nano?
18:10 < slowcoder> BarHarborUSA: There are very nice instructions for solving his problem on the forums
18:10 < DETN8R> yes, several times. I have gotten it to display some gibberish that I am sure is the linux firmware
18:11 < BarHarborUSA> (I've found that occationally if I mount and unmout an iPod repeatedly sometimes it isn't recognized immediately)
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18:11 < BarHarborUSA> Ahhh...it's already got iPod firmware loaded.
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18:12 < DETN8R> how do i mount and unmount the ipod?
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18:12 < DETN8R> i cant get itunes or anything to relly recognize it
18:13 < BarHarborUSA> DETN8R: slowcoder says this is something you can find in the forums. Mounting simply refers to it coming up on the desktop when you plug it into your computer. Unmounting would be ejecting it.
18:13 < DETN8R> oh, well im searching the forums now. Thanks anyway
18:14 < BarHarborUSA> The nano some friends & I gave as a gift to another friend is no longer within my reach so I haven't be able to play with it. Sorry I'm not more help.
18:15 < DETN8R> lets see if this works
18:15 < DETN8R> brb
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18:18 < allfonts_alfons> anyone who knows if i can sync my contacts with itunes from mozilla thunderbird?
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18:23 < Aghaster> hi
18:24 < Aghaster> hey one of my friends just send me a link to a webpage with a complete guide to install ipl on the nano
18:24 < Aghaster> is that true it is now possible to put ipl on the nano?
18:24 < allfonts_alfons> what guide?
18:25 < Aghaster> http://opax.swin.edu.au/~reino/nanolinux.htm
18:25 < Aghaster> here it is
18:25 < allfonts_alfons> well, i haven't tried it. but if you try it and fail you can just restore it
18:25 < Aghaster> yeah
18:25 < Aghaster> i know
18:25 < allfonts_alfons> but you'll loose your music
18:26 < Aghaster> i've restore my ipod 60gigs about 10 times lol
18:26 < Aghaster> but my friend has a nano
18:26 < allfonts_alfons> me too
18:26 < allfonts_alfons> i got linux to work
18:26 < allfonts_alfons> but i couldn't access my nano in windows though
18:26 < Aghaster> so ipl works on the nano?
18:26 < Aghaster> nice then
18:26 < allfonts_alfons> yep
18:27 < allfonts_alfons> i haven't tried that guide though, so i don't know if that works
18:27 < Aghaster> boardHwSwInterfaceRev: 0x00060004 (0.0.6 4) about 3 months ago there was some incompatibility with this model of 4g iphoto 60gig
18:27 < allfonts_alfons> probably does
18:27 < Aghaster> does anyone know if it is now possible to install it?
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18:28 * joecool will assume yes
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18:33 < slowcoder> Aghaster: That dguide looks valid for people with a mac, and have a HFS formatted Nano
18:33 < Aghaster> oh
18:34 < Aghaster> allfonts : is ur nano with ipl windows formatted or HFS formatted?
18:36 < allfonts_alfons> Aghaster: don't know, i'm running the original apple firmware right now
18:37 < Aghaster> ok
18:39 < KingPunk> allfonts_alfons: what he means, do you use it with windows, or apple?
18:40 < allfonts_alfons> windows
18:40 < KingPunk> 99% of them from-the-store are windows formatted.
18:40 < KingPunk> ah, see. there you go.
18:40 < KingPunk> now was that hard? ;)
18:41 < allfonts_alfons> nah. :>
18:41 < Aghaster> allfonts: so you were able to install ipl from windows on a windows formatted ipod?
18:42 < allfonts_alfons> i used the windows installer, then i went to my linux-computer and did chmod +x on the podzilla
18:42 < KingPunk> on a nano?
18:42 < Aghaster> u used the windows installer on a nano? isnt this supposed not to work?
18:42 < allfonts_alfons> it did
18:42 < Aghaster> o.O
18:43 < Aghaster> the modded installer?
18:43 -!- erus|aweh is now known as erus
18:43 < Aghaster> # Windows Installer (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipodlinuxinst/) - 4G is Unsupported
18:43 < KingPunk> if you fry your nano. i'll laugh.
18:43 < KingPunk> i had the balls to get ipl going on my 60gb ipod photo.
18:43 < Aghaster> i scrapped the software on my ipod about 10 times ^^
18:44 < KingPunk> and it worked fine.
18:44 < Aghaster> it worked fine?
18:44 < Aghaster> :(
18:44 < Aghaster> i have an iphoto 60gig
18:44 < KingPunk> ..but i dont have the nuts to get it going on my 5th gen two days old ipod video 60gb.
18:44 < KingPunk> lol
18:44 < KingPunk> i havent played enough with it yet. ;)
18:44 < KingPunk> not exactly willing to ruin it, so soon.
18:44 < Aghaster> and last time i asked, it was said that my version of the hardware of my ipod didnt work with ipl
18:45 < KingPunk> what kind of photo do you have?
18:45 < Aghaster> boardHwSwInterfaceRev: 0x00060004 (0.0.6 4)
18:45 < KingPunk> the one WITH the accessories, or the one w/o?
18:45 < Aghaster> this is the version of hardware that was unsupported 3 months ago, i dunno if its still the case
18:45 < KingPunk> i got the one, that was hella expensive..
18:45 < Aghaster> w/o
18:45 < KingPunk> because i got av cables, dock, case everything.
18:45 < KingPunk> ahh.
18:46 < KingPunk> thats why.
18:46 < Aghaster> hum?
18:46 < KingPunk> you have diffrent hardware in your photo, than i had in mine.
18:46 < Aghaster> yeah, and last time i asked it wasnt supported
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18:47 < Aghaster> Note that this will only work with 4G B&W, photo, color (0x00060000), color (0x00060004), 1G mini and 2G mini. is said on the wiki
18:47 < KingPunk> well, they said mine wasnt supported either.
18:48 < Aghaster> for the 4g windows installed
18:48 < Aghaster> installer*
18:48 < Aghaster> unsupported and incompatible are 2 different words
18:50 < Aghaster> meh, i'm searching for a place claiming to work with this version of ipod
18:50 < Aghaster> it would piss me off if ipl was possible on a nano before 4g iphoto
18:51 < Aghaster> because it came out after
18:51 < KingPunk> lol..
18:51 < KingPunk> or or, 5g video support.
18:51 < KingPunk> haha.
18:51 < KingPunk> <3
18:51 < Aghaster> eh
18:51 < Aghaster> i would commit suicide
18:51 < Aghaster> lol
18:51 < KingPunk> promise?
18:51 < KingPunk> if so, i'll get busy now.
18:51 * KingPunk laughs
18:51 < Aghaster> haha
18:51 < Aghaster> yeah, this is serious ;)
18:52 < Arctik> jeez
18:52 < Aghaster> i want ipl so much on my ipod lol
18:52 < Aghaster> i wanna program games for it
18:52 < Arctik> the wiki holds all the knowledge
18:52 < Aghaster> but do not have kernel hacking knowledge to help ipl itself
18:53 < Arctik> heh must be a noob cause ive never seen u here before
18:53 < Aghaster> i'm not a n00b
18:53 < Arctik> so quick to jump in the fire?
18:53 < Aghaster> i'm a C++ programmer
18:53 < erus> me 2
18:53 < erus> C++ > C
18:53 < erus> omg
18:53 < Arctik> just dont go killing urself because of ipodlkinux its not worth it
18:53 < Aghaster> i've tried very hard this summer to install ipl on my ipod
18:53 < Arctik> keep trying
18:53 < Aghaster> hey, dont u see it was a joke?
18:54 < Aghaster> lol
18:54 * KingPunk sits on the side, and laughs
18:54 < KingPunk> ok, lets get down to buisness..
18:54 < KingPunk> you all are retards.
18:54 < KingPunk> there, better?
18:54 < Arctik> C++ means nothing special to me :P
18:54 < KingPunk> ;)
18:54 < Aghaster> lol
18:54 < Aghaster> C++ means everything to me :P
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18:54 < KingPunk> your mommys mean everything to me.
18:54 < KingPunk> i win!
18:54 < Aghaster> lolll
18:54 < KingPunk> will you guys, EVER learn?
18:54 < KingPunk> sheesh.
18:54 < erus> KingPunk, but your balls havnt droppped yet
18:55 < KingPunk> im here.
18:55 < Arctik> heh
18:55 < KingPunk> i turned 21, 5 days ago :)
18:55 < KingPunk> went to the bar for the first time, 2 days ago.
18:55 < KingPunk> lol
18:55 < Aghaster> lol
18:55 < Aghaster> haha, i'm in quebec hehe
18:55 < Arctik> dang bummer? maybe u should have that operation that drops ur testes
18:55 < Aghaster> here we are allowed to go in bars at 18
18:55 < Aghaster> :P
18:56 < erus> lol. mine dropped quite late but 21
18:56 < KingPunk> bought myself my 60gb video ipod, 2 days ago. ... and ditched my 60gb ipod photo. gave it to muh little bro.
18:56 < KingPunk> :)
18:56 < Aghaster> eh, ur lucky
18:56 < erus> thats a real prob m8
18:56 < KingPunk> kinda like a happy birthday to me.
18:56 < KingPunk> whos lucky?
18:56 < Aghaster> that killed me off when they had the 5g out
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18:56 < Aghaster> because i had bought my 4g 3 months ago
18:56 < erus> 30 gig one KingPunk :P but i only use like 2 gig
18:56 < KingPunk> how do you think i feel?
18:56 < KingPunk> i bought mine, 3/8/05
18:56 < Aghaster> and now this über kewl ipod is released
18:56 < KingPunk> the 60gb ipod photo
18:57 < KingPunk> paid like, 555.08$usd for it.
18:57 < Aghaster> eh
18:57 < KingPunk> three year warranty, the whole shebang.
18:57 < KingPunk> and volia.
18:57 < Aghaster> i paid it 600$ CAN
18:57 < KingPunk> new one out.
18:57 < KingPunk> 600 cdn = 300 usd.
18:57 < KingPunk> lol
18:57 < Aghaster> lol, nope
18:57 < erus> £219. ordered the week it came out
18:57 < KingPunk> its like 1.5 to 1 now isnt it?
18:57 < Aghaster> no
18:57 < erus> and is IRC really like, laggy for u all :S
18:58 < Aghaster> we are worth around 82cents in ur dollars
18:58 < KingPunk> ok, so about 1:.82
18:58 < Aghaster> 512$US
18:58 < KingPunk> you got ripped
18:58 < KingPunk> lol
18:59 < Aghaster> that was with the taxes
18:59 < KingPunk> haha, i can play video. you cant!
18:59 < Aghaster> arghhhh
18:59 < KingPunk> and i could even play uncompressed 15fps video, on my 60gb ipod photo!
18:59 < KingPunk> ha!
18:59 < Aghaster> ur lucky to have a little bro who bought ur old ipod
18:59 < KingPunk> he didnt buy it.
18:59 < KingPunk> i GAVE it to him.
18:59 < KingPunk> heh
18:59 < Aghaster> eh, u got enough money to do this?
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18:59 < KingPunk> well, he really wanted one. so i was like, why not.
19:00 < KingPunk> consider it an early xmas presant.
19:00 < Aghaster> meh.
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19:00 < KingPunk> but he isnt getting as much as my other brothers, for xmas. and he knows this now.
19:00 < KingPunk> but im not "hurting" in the money dept.
19:00 < KingPunk> i drained my savings for the holidays and my birthday though.
19:00 < Aghaster> but its kinda expensive
19:00 < KingPunk> only have 100$ left.
19:01 < Aghaster> :'(
19:01 < Aghaster> why dont they have some ipod exchange program
19:01 < Aghaster> "sell ur old ipod, get a new one "
19:01 < KingPunk> because, they'd have 10000000 old ipods.
19:01 < Aghaster> yep
19:01 < KingPunk> they release one a year. on average.
19:01 < Aghaster> well, they could send them to poor ppl at xmas
19:01 < Aghaster> im sure they'd be happy
19:02 < Vanquisher> Aghaster, imagine what that would look like for the company
19:02 < Vanquisher> Aghaster, giving the scraps to the poor
19:02 < Vanquisher> lol
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19:02 < Vanquisher> instead of new ones
19:02 < Aghaster> lol, giving old ipods to poor ppl? they would look as very generous
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19:02 < KingPunk> um..
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19:02 < KingPunk> they'd be losing a lot of money.
19:02 < Vanquisher> yeah
19:02 < KingPunk> the hard drive space alone.
19:03 < Aghaster> lol... doesnt matter
19:03 < Aghaster> as long as i get my new ipod
19:03 < KingPunk> you could devlop some type of device, where you just rip the hd's out of the ipods..
19:03 < KingPunk> and raid 0 them all
19:03 < KingPunk> lol
19:03 < Aghaster> lol
19:03 < Aghaster> that would be nice
19:03 < KingPunk> 10gb here, 30gb there
19:03 < KingPunk> sheesh, after a while..
19:03 < Vanquisher> 20 40 here
19:03 < KingPunk> you're looking at petabytes.
19:03 < Vanquisher> :)
19:04 < Vanquisher> i shall have a TB in my server
19:04 < Vanquisher> soon
19:04 < KingPunk> a tb is nothing.
19:04 < Aghaster> make a uber device with thousands of firewire plugs... and plug all the old ipods in it an make a uber server with all this space
19:04 < KingPunk> i try to keep up with the warez scene on disk space.
19:04 < Aghaster> lol
19:04 < KingPunk> in 1999 i had 800gb.
19:04 < Aghaster> omg!
19:04 < KingPunk> now, some of my drives died.
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19:04 < KingPunk> lol
19:04 < Vanquisher> lol
19:04 < KingPunk> so i need to upgrade.
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19:09 < enigma_x> Does anyone know of a way to have the iPod not display 'OK to disconnect' when interfaced with it in AiR mode?
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19:23 < INpac_> heyho
19:23 < allfonts_alfons> anyone who knows if i can change the names of the playlists in the ipod using the standard apple firmware?
19:23 < INpac_> any news ... any new video player finished :D ?
19:23 < INpac_> by renaming them in itunes?
19:24 < allfonts_alfons> how do i find them in itunes?
19:24 < Zol> click the arrow left of the ipod?
19:24 < allfonts_alfons> aaah
19:24 < INpac_> which playlist do you mean`?
19:24 < allfonts_alfons> thank you :)
19:24 < Zol> np
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19:25 < INpac_> slowcoder available?
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19:31 < allfonts_alfons> it sucks that the nano gets dirty on the back in no time
19:31 < allfonts_alfons> .<
19:31 < allfonts_alfons> :<
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19:44 < KingPunk> oh cool. i just found out how to replace the icons.
19:44 < KingPunk> by using ipodwizard
19:44 < KingPunk> yay.
19:46 < erus> clever
19:46 < KingPunk> its neat.
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19:56 < erus> im neat
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19:57 < allfonts_alfons> what's ipodwizard? :>
20:00 < erus> you should know, allfonts_alfons ( aka 'Sexual-RolePlay_KiNg!' )
20:01 < allfonts_alfons> :<
20:04 * KingPunk whips out his ipodwizard
20:04 < erus> i think u meant <3
20:04 < KingPunk> lol..
20:08 < KingPunk> i think i meant im bored
20:08 < KingPunk> and have nobody to sodomize
20:08 * KingPunk laughs
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20:28 < narkone> hi
20:28 < narkone> again
20:28 < narkone> one question
20:28 < KingPunk> bye again
20:28 < KingPunk> one answer!
20:28 < narkone> i can't turn off my mini ipod 1g
20:29 < KingPunk> yes you can.
20:29 < KingPunk> toggle your hold switch..
20:29 < KingPunk> do your reset.
20:29 < narkone> the screen says: no more tasks for init -- sleeping forever
20:30 < narkone> one moment
20:31 < narkone> reset?
20:31 < BHSPitMonkey> narkone: do a hard reset at that point
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20:33 < narkone> when i cativate the hold and reset the ipod goes to apple firmware
20:33 < narkone> :S
20:36 < KingPunk> narkone: have you EVER been able to boot to linux yet?
20:38 < narkone> what?
20:38 < BHSPitMonkey> ah, i just figured out he was saying activate
20:38 < narkone> linux is the first boot
20:39 < KingPunk> have you ever booted linux successfully before on your ipod?
20:39 < BHSPitMonkey> narkone: Tu ipod es functional en linux?
20:39 < narkone> yes
20:39 < narkone> si
20:39 < narkone> :)
20:39 < narkone> thanks
20:39 < KingPunk> gee, i think english should be a prerequesite.
20:39 < KingPunk> i know spanish. but i am white. sorry.
20:39 * KingPunk laughs
20:39 < BHSPitMonkey> KingPunk: all he was saying is when he went to reboot in podzilla, it didn't do a reset
20:39 < KingPunk> ahh..
20:39 < KingPunk> then, it may be an APM issue.
20:40 < BHSPitMonkey> narkone: it's okay...just do that, and do a hard reset
20:40 < BHSPitMonkey> i see no problem
20:40 < narkone> reboot the ipod?
20:40 < BHSPitMonkey> yeah
20:40 < narkone> ok
20:40 < narkone> :S
20:41 < BHSPitMonkey> vaya a "reboot" or "turn off" en podzilla, espera para terminar, entonces reset.
20:41 < narkone> now i'm in podzilla
20:41 < narkone> ok
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20:41 < narkone> i reboot the ipod
20:41 < BHSPitMonkey> You know how to choose apple or linux?
20:42 < narkone> linux
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20:43 < BHSPitMonkey> but you know how to choose?
20:43 < narkone> yes
20:44 < BHSPitMonkey> then no hay un problema.
20:45 < narkone> but in firmware of appple if I give awhile play "it extinguishes"
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20:49 < nayr> hello
20:49 < nayr> I have a couple problems
20:49 < nayr> how do I get the ipod version of microwindows?
20:50 < nayr> I have no ipod-x11
20:52 < aegray> download microwindows, then download the ipod microwindows patch or new files
20:52 < aegray> and patch it
20:52 < aegray> and make it
20:52 < aegray> like it says on the wiki
20:53 < nayr> thanks
20:53 < nayr> ~aegray++
21:00 < narkone> some ideas for shut down the ipod?
21:04 < aegray> doesn't that work already?
21:04 * aegray acts like he doesn't know the answer
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21:07 < narkone> no
21:07 < aegray> are you talking at all or just automatically when you leave it sit?
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21:22 < aegray> ok then
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21:28 < Luke> hola todos
21:28 < aegray> bonjour tout le monde
21:28 < aegray> thats probably spelled wrong.. damn
21:30 < Luke> haha wrong language too
21:30 < KingPunk> lol
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21:50 < Vanquisher> lol
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22:11 < nayr> haha
22:11 < pheller> evening
22:12 < pheller> anyone know of some gpl code for dealing with the ipod in AiR mode, by chance?
22:12 < masquerade> wtf is AiR mode?
22:12 < pheller> the advanced mode of the apple accessory protocol
22:13 < pheller> ... for doing things like retrieving playlist, artist, album, etc.
22:15 < masquerade> http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol#Advanced_Remote_.28Mode_4.29 <-- you could write some god
22:15 < masquerade> s/god/code
22:15 < pheller> I know ... just thought I'd query first and maybe save some time
22:17 < nayr> I'll be trying out iPL with my new speakers tonight :D
22:17 < nayr> iPOd speakers
22:18 < KingPunk> i wouldnt mind a BOSE SoundDock
22:18 < KingPunk> those are NICE
22:18 < KingPunk> i took my ipod into the apple store, hooked one up.
22:18 < KingPunk> and i was jamming to it. and was like :O
22:19 < KingPunk> those little wee speakers, put out that much music?
22:19 < KingPunk> whew!
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22:23 < erus> thats coz bose is hardco
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22:25 < Karl> hey all
22:26 < nayr> I got an iBass
22:26 < Karl> can anyone tell me if the Ipod Linux is compatable with the 3g new Ipod Minis?
22:26 < nayr> works nice with my min :)
22:26 < nayr> 3g minis?
22:26 < Karl> yeah the new ones
22:27 < Karl> ohh 4g sorry
22:27 < nayr> you mean nanos?
22:27 * nayr is very konfizzled
22:27 < Karl> no you know the new ish ipod minis with the colour writing on the wheel?
22:27 < nayr> 2g
22:27 < nayr> that'
22:28 < nayr> +'s what I have
22:28 < nayr> iBoy can't be done on it...
22:28 < nayr> but other than that, yea, it's fine
22:29 < Karl> thanks :) just wondered about the '4g ipods and above are currentley unspported' bit
22:29 < Karl> does that mean ipods, minis, nanos, picture ipods, video ipids?
22:29 < Karl> *ipods
22:32 < aegray> yes
22:32 < aegray> video ipod = 5g
22:32 < Karl> so is there no version what so ever of ipod linux compatable with a 4gb mini?
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22:33 < aegray> It works fine on minis
22:34 < Karl> thank you :)
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22:35 < Karl> which files do i need? the 4g installer/
22:35 < nayr> yep
22:35 < nayr> sry
22:35 < nayr> err
22:35 < nayr> lemme give you a link here
22:35 < Karl> ty
22:36 < Karl> just wanted to put doom on my ipod, didn't know there was this much to it :-p
22:36 < nayr> http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19101
22:36 < nayr> very simple
22:36 < nayr> how would I go about putting gcc on my iPod?
22:36 < KingPunk> its also not what its all cracked up to be.
22:36 < KingPunk> you cant put gcc on your ipod.
22:36 < KingPunk> it has no floating point register.
22:37 < nayr> KingPunk: why noy?
22:37 < nayr> not*
22:37 < nayr> oh
22:37 < aegray> yea you can
22:37 < aegray> josh_ did it
22:37 < nayr> aegray, how?
22:37 < KingPunk> oh?
22:37 < KingPunk> he did?
22:37 < aegray> theres software floating
22:37 < aegray> yea
22:37 < nayr> josh_:
22:37 < nayr> you there?
22:37 < KingPunk> hah.
22:37 < josh_> ~[wiki iPod Toolchain]
22:37 < iplbot> No matches. (By the way, words <= 3 letters aren't indexed.)
22:37 < josh_> er
22:37 < josh_> http://ipodlinux.org/iPod_Toolchain
22:37 < nayr> thanks :D
22:37 < KingPunk> interesting.
22:37 < KingPunk> whats the specs of the 5g ipod?
22:38 < aegray> `generations
22:38 < aegray> `wiki generations
22:38 < iplbot> Generations (http://www.ipodlinux.org/Generations) [12002 bytes]
22:38 < KingPunk> my 4g ipod photo 60gb was what, 64mhz?
22:38 < aegray> same thing
22:38 < KingPunk> i got the 60gb video now.
22:38 < KingPunk> ah, that sucks.
22:38 < aegray> it has a new extra chip
22:38 < KingPunk> i know, the broadcomm video decoder/encoder
22:39 < nayr> ~josh_++
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22:47 < nayr> is there socket access on the iPod when plugged in?
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22:47 < aegray> nayr: n
22:47 < aegray> o
22:47 < aegray> and no
22:48 < nayr> !@#$%^&*
22:48 < nayr> no access to the computer whatsoever?
22:48 < aegray> except through serial on 1-3g
22:50 < Karl> can anyone give me some help on the 4gb ipod windows linux instalation please?
22:50 < aegray> how hard is it?
22:50 < aegray> really? copy in the nightlys - run the installer
22:51 < Karl> whats the root of my ipod?
22:51 < aegray> the drive that shows up when you plug in your ipod
22:51 < Karl> ahh that makes sence
22:51 < Karl> and what is the nightlys?
22:51 < aegray> `builds
22:51 < aegray> `wiki builds
22:51 < aegray> `wiki nightly
22:52 < aegray> comon
22:52 < iplbot> Builds (http://www.ipodlinux.org/Builds) [48 bytes]
22:52 < iplbot> Windows nightly build installation (http://www.ipodlinux.org/Windows_nightly_build_installation) [1431 bytes]
22:52 < nayr> what's cool about PZ2?
22:54 < nayr> g2g
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22:57 < Karl> wow how many files are there to download?!
22:57 < aegray> 2 billion and 3
22:58 < erus> any of u guys know about software engineering ( in C++ )?
22:58 < aegray> what about it?
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22:59 < erus> whats an IClass type interface for?
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23:00 < aegray> on windows?
23:01 < erus> it shouldent matter
23:01 < aegray> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wceddk40/html/cxconinterfaceclasses.asp
23:01 < aegray> thats on windows
23:01 < aegray> yes it should
23:02 < aegray> other than that, i think it would be an interface to a class/external class
23:03 < Karl> er dudes i have a problem
23:03 < Karl> my Ipod is flashing a folder at me with a !
23:03 < aegray> are you using the 4g installer?
23:04 < Karl> yeah
23:04 < erus> aegray, have you heard of sourcemod or irrlicht? they both use Interface classes to real classes or something. im not talking about any hardware driver stuff
23:04 < Karl> and underneath it has the website for : http://apple.com/support/ipod
23:05 < aegray> not sure then
23:06 < Karl> if i uninstall ipodlinux will that delete my backup firmware?
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23:16 < Karl> take it my ipod is screwed then :(
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23:16 < KingPunk> if you uninstall it..
23:16 < KingPunk> it'll restore your origional firmware
23:16 < KingPunk> and the worst case senario is..
23:16 < KingPunk> if you screw it up
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23:17 < KingPunk> you can always reflash it.
23:17 < Karl> reflash it?
23:17 < KingPunk> or use the ipodupdater from apple.
23:17 < KingPunk> yes sir.
23:17 < KingPunk> restore to factory defaults.
23:17 < Karl> ahh
23:18 < Karl> theres no uninstall file :@
23:18 < Karl> can i just delete it off the ipod root?
23:19 < aegray> just run the apple restore utiltiy
23:20 < Karl> gotta restart brb
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23:20 < tanq> I think i'm gonna take apart this ipod hard drive
23:20 < tanq> it failed the hdd tests
23:20 < tanq> and is out of warranty so it can't hurt
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23:29 < Karl> restored it folks, time to update :rolleyes?
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23:40 < iPL-SVN> jonrelay * tools/ttk/ (fonts/fonts.lst schemes/inv.cs): fix inv.cs to match mono.cs; switch to an Espy Sans with proper encoding (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/292)
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23:48 < skier1437> does mencoder work properly for mac os x?
23:48 < skier1437> yet?
23:48 < Bi-noix> no
23:49 < Bi-noix> style this endianness issue
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23:51 < BHSPitMonkey> tanq: godspeed...
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23:51 < skier1437> will ipl play compressed videos yet?
23:51 < aegray> NO
23:51 < erus> lololo
23:51 < erus> l
23:52 < BHSPitMonkey> will ipl do my laundry yet?
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23:52 < BHSPitMonkey> has anyone written a wifi module yet?
23:52 < aegray> yes
23:53 < Zol> wireless?
23:53 < Zol> how's that work?
23:53 < erus> though the inbuilt wifi chip
23:53 < erus> der
23:53 < Zol> theres a wifi chip in the ipod? O.O
23:53 < BHSPitMonkey> every one since the photo
23:53 < Zol> WOW
23:53 < BHSPitMonkey> lol
23:54 < Zol> what's the wifi module do? :o
23:54 < erus> AND bluetooth, which i got my driver semi working
23:54 < erus> Zol, you can use firefox
23:54 < BHSPitMonkey> multiplayer idoom is on the way, hyarion says it's going ok
23:54 < Zol> you're shitting me
23:54 < BHSPitMonkey> actually uses minimo
23:54 < BHSPitMonkey> mozilla's small device browser
23:54 < Zol> wo
23:55 < Zol> i can use wireless internet?
23:55 < Zol> on my IPOD?
23:55 < erus> depends on your ipod
23:55 < Zol> photo
23:55 < erus> then yes
23:55 < Zol> man
23:55 < Zol> :D
23:55 < Zol> :'D
23:55 < BHSPitMonkey> XD
23:56 < Zol> what would the download speeds be? :p
23:56 < erus> man i laughed so hard it actully hurt
23:56 < Zol> me too
23:56 < Zol> right now
23:56 < Zol> my friends'll be like "no way"
23:56 < Zol> so
23:56 < Zol> what would the connection speed be like?
23:56 < erus> 50 mhz
23:57 < erus> mb sorry
23:57 < Zol> mpPS????
23:57 < Zol> *mb
23:57 < erus> yep
23:57 < Zol> i meant the real, not the theoretical
23:57 < erus> oh
23:57 < Zol> my comp doesnt do 100mbps =p
23:57 < erus> fast enough to play games and stuff
23:57 < Zol> and download files?
23:58 < erus> well ya
23:58 < Zol> faster than, say, 56k modem?
23:58 < erus> oh yeh
23:58 < Zol> sweet.
23:58 < Zol> sweet.
23:58 < Zol> sweet.
23:58 < Zol> i'll shut up now
23:58 < erus> it could download more then 5 meg a second, but i doubt ur internet is that fast
23:58 < Zol> =p
23:58 < BHSPitMonkey> zol, check here http://ipodlinux.org/Internet
23:58 < Zol> i would think the choke point would be the ipod
23:58 < Zol> not the internet
23:59 < Zol> lol :p
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