--- Log opened Tue Nov 22 00:00:02 2005 00:00 < kantlivelong> twistx_: the only reason it fails is because of poor programming due to the creator of the windows app 00:00 < GamerGuy> now with linux 00:00 < twistx_> kantlivelong: its a good idea, dont get me wrong 00:00 < GamerGuy> is it a pain to get some stuff to work 00:00 < twistx_> kantlivelong: it cant support everything windows does 00:00 < twistx_> kantlivelong: thats primarily microsoft's fault for being closed source 00:00 < kantlivelong> twistx_: it can.. its just that programmers for windows are sloppy.. 00:01 < Vanquisher> GamerGuy: sometimes 00:01 < twistx_> kantlivelong: i agree with you somewhat yes 00:01 < kantlivelong> twistx_: they make their own libs for stupid gui like steam and then no one can use it... 00:01 < kantlivelong> AND 00:02 < twistx_> kantlivelong: well theres a reason those libs work in windows and not wine 00:02 < kantlivelong> most of the gaming devs make dedi servers for linux but are too lazy to make the client gui for linux.. and thats just wrong 00:02 < twistx_> kantlivelong: games just need to be made for opengl not directx 00:02 < kantlivelong> anyways all i know is that Xorg hates my duelhead and its driving me nutz 00:03 < twistx_> whats the prob? i'm running dualhead right now 00:03 < kantlivelong> twistx_: ati 9800 & ati 7500 00:03 < courtc> Anyone in here have experience in UML diagramming? 00:03 < kantlivelong> i load em both up and crash 00:03 < twistx_> ah 00:03 < kantlivelong> hard reboot 00:03 < twistx_> that sucks 00:03 < kantlivelong> ur telling me... i got a projector and i gotta load diff configs to watch crap 00:03 < twistx_> ati doesnt have very good linux drivers from what i've read 00:04 < GamerGuy> some one jsut told me about 00:04 < GamerGuy> anapod 00:04 < GamerGuy> anybody tried that? 00:04 < kantlivelong> twistx_: nah their fine.. its just a bitch to get em workin 00:04 < blah--> is support for compressed video possible? 00:04 < kantlivelong> twistx_: worst prob is.. i cant find the problem because its not loggin the error 00:04 < blah--> not right now, I mean eventually. 00:05 < GamerGuy> how do u guys 00:05 < GamerGuy> do that thing so it directs ur messages to a certain user 00:05 < twistx_> kantlivelong: are you running two screens or xinerama or twinview? 00:05 < kantlivelong> twistx_: two screens to simply get it loading.. then mergedfb or xinerama 00:05 < Vanquisher> GamerGuy: /msg user 00:06 < twistx_> kantlivelong: hrmm. start X and redirect the output to a file, so you can see the output when you reboot 00:06 < GamerGuy> vanq 00:06 < kantlivelong> twistx_: it already logs.. but the crash just stops from being logged 00:06 < GamerGuy> so they can see what ur sending to me 00:06 < GamerGuy> cant* 00:06 < twistx_> kantlivelong: even stdout? 00:06 < kantlivelong> twistx_: yer[ 00:06 < Vanquisher> GamerGuy: u look at the snapshot? 00:06 < twistx_> kantlivelong: thats a bitch 00:06 < kantlivelong> twistx_: yep 00:07 < GamerGuy> i did 00:07 < Vanquisher> GamerGuy: u like? 00:07 < GamerGuy> uhh yeah 00:07 < GamerGuy> i dunno 00:07 < Vanquisher> :) 00:07 < GamerGuy> its different 00:07 < twistx_> kantlivelong: have you tried downgrading your ati drivers? 00:08 < kantlivelong> twistx_: wont help, i use fglrx for 9800 and radeon for 7500.. heck vesa works on 7500 but theres no display 00:08 < Vanquisher> GamerGuy: well my setup is different just google kde or gnome snapshots see if u like that better cuz its more of a windows desktop ENV 00:08 < GamerGuy> ya 00:08 -!- joecool|food is now known as joecool 00:08 < courtc> I dunno what I was thinking, does anyone in here even know what UML is? 00:08 -!- will` [n=will@c-24-7-75-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:08 < twistx_> kantlivelong: does it crash with vesa too? 00:08 < GamerGuy> some one with windows go try anapod 00:08 < GamerGuy> and tell me if its anygood 00:08 < kantlivelong> twistx_: no, it loads and my monitor turns on, however its just black 00:09 < kantlivelong> twistx_: its getting signal but just displaying black 00:09 -!- will` [n=will@c-24-7-75-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 00:09 < kantlivelong> lol just realized im in #ipodlinux 00:09 < twistx_> yeah 00:10 < kantlivelong> twistx_: yep vesa just returns black.. however im using that new vesafb-tng 00:11 < twistx_> kantlivelong: X comes with some basic drivers, they work on my t43 which has an ati card 00:11 < twistx_> kantlivelong: no acceleration though 00:11 < kantlivelong> twistx_: not a prob.. all i need accel on is my master 00:11 < kantlivelong> twistx_: the 7500 is just for movies 00:12 < twistx_> kantlivelong: sec, let me check out the lappy config then 00:12 < courtc> Oh well.. 00:12 * courtc goes back to coding from the hip. 00:14 < kantlivelong> twistx_: im gonna up my config to pastebin 4 u 00:15 < kantlivelong> eh its down.. go figure 00:15 < kantlivelong> twistx_: http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/1747 00:15 < twistx_> kantlivelong looking 00:16 -!- philhans [n=philip@128.187.153.202] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:16 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 00:16 < twistx_> kantlivelong: try setting the driver for the 7500 to 'ati' 00:17 -!- GamerGuy is now known as psphalo2 00:17 < kantlivelong> twistx_: that crashes 00:17 < twistx_> kantlivelong hrm 00:17 < twistx_> kantlivelong: so both the fglrx and the ati ones crash? 00:17 < kantlivelong> twistx_: nono fglrx is for my 9800 00:18 < kantlivelong> twistx_: if i use radeon or ati it crashes 00:18 < kantlivelong> twistx_: for my 7500 00:18 < twistx_> kantlivelong: try fglrx for the 7500 too 00:18 < kantlivelong> twistx_: have.. just no signal 00:18 < twistx_> kantlivelong: oh 00:19 < kantlivelong> twistx_: its weird.. 00:19 < kantlivelong> twistx_: if both cards use ati drivers it works tho 00:19 < twistx_> kantlivelong: yeah it sounds like it 00:19 < twistx_> kantlivelong: tried setting the driver to vga? 00:19 < kantlivelong> just vga? 00:19 < joecool> well for binary ati shit driver support, #ati is your best bet, and for the open driver, stop on down to #xorg.. they know all 00:20 < twistx_> kantlivelong yeah 00:20 < joecool> and make sure you got the shit in your kernel or as modules 00:20 < kantlivelong> nope... wonder if i even have it 00:20 < twistx_> kantlivelong: comes with xorg 00:22 < joecool> the open shit does 00:22 < joecool> not the crap ass ati binary shit 00:23 < kantlivelong> twistx_: brb 00:23 < twistx_> k 00:23 < twistx_> i wouldnt doubt some of you have seen this but its cool as shit 00:23 < twistx_> http://brahm2.com/images/lights.wmv 00:23 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Kopete 0.10.2 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 00:24 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:24 < blah--> does podzilla detect playlists twice? 00:24 < kantlivelong> well now 00:24 < courtc> blah--: what? 00:24 < kantlivelong> no display and no crash 00:24 < twistx_> damn 00:25 -!- ErUs [n=noneofyo@ACC82AC5.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:25 < kantlivelong> ne other ideas? 00:25 < blah--> when I look in playlists I see duplicates of all my existing ones 00:25 < kantlivelong> twistx_: would ya mind trying vesa on ur card? 00:25 < twistx_> kantlivelong: what does it log when it doesnt crash? 00:25 < courtc> blah--: MPDC or no? 00:26 < kantlivelong> twistx_: for this driver? 00:26 < kantlivelong> twistx_: are u registered on freenode? 00:26 < blah--> acronym? 00:26 < twistx_> kantlivelong: negative 00:26 < kantlivelong> twistx_: join #kant 00:26 < courtc> blah--: how did you get podzilla? 00:27 < blah--> oh, just googled it. no mdpc, I think 00:27 < blah--> it's a nightly, the 15th of this month 00:27 < blah--> from /builds 00:27 < courtc> meh, it read iTunes directly, shouldn't be a problem... but libitunesdb is brokenish.. 00:30 < blah--> not a big problem a/w. 00:35 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Kopete 0.10.2 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 00:35 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:40 -!- LMX [n=LMX@h200n3c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:42 -!- ApAthY [n=blah@CPE0004e2a67c13-CM00137189e2f2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:44 < preglow> anyone know what all the different GPIO port A registers do? 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01:57 < josh_> that has nothing to do with iPL per se 01:57 < hyarion> waxboy: no 01:57 < josh_> and the answer, as I predicted, is not yes or no ;-) 01:57 < waxboy> i got a no! woooo! 01:57 < josh_> you can use multiple PCs, but you have to 01:58 < josh_> either keep a complete copy of your music on both PCs, or 01:58 < josh_> turn auto-sync off and manage the songs manually. 01:58 < BHSPitLappy> pssh 01:58 < BHSPitLappy> that crazy oprah 01:58 < BHSPitLappy> just gave everyone 5G's 01:58 < BHSPitLappy> and vaio's 01:58 < BHSPitLappy> and about another grand of crap 01:58 < waxboy> cool, i don't plan on using auto-sync, since my 100G+ archive won't fit for a few years 01:59 < hyarion> bah, why give those away when there is no ipl support :P 01:59 < BHSPitLappy> sup hyarion :P 01:59 < hyarion> ardh it's 02:59 in the morning! 01:59 < BHSPitLappy> heh 01:59 < josh_> 17:59 < hyarion> ardh it's 02:59 in the morning! 01:59 -!- SlashX [n=SlashX@pcp03325591pcs.waldlk01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:59 < josh_> ^^^^^ 01:59 < hyarion> I have school tomoroå, 02:00 < SlashX> hey all! 02:00 < SlashX> i am back 02:00 < josh_> hi /X 02:00 < josh_> whoever you are :P 02:00 < SlashX> lol 02:00 < BHSPitLappy> crap 02:00 < SlashX> :o 02:00 * SlashX slaps BHSPitLappy around a bit with a large trout 02:00 < hyarion> I... Have... to... slee.ppp night 02:00 < SlashX> cya 02:01 * BHSPitLappy shoots SlashX right between the eyes 02:01 < SlashX> i have the ipod servce error on my updater 02:01 < SlashX> ow 02:03 < waxboy> josh_: you said that mu q had nothing to do with iPL, am i correct in assuming that iPL will bypass the apple policy that says i must delete the ipods contents if i want to add music to it from a new pc? 02:03 < ApAthY> what's the worst that's happened to someone who unsuccessfully put linux on his 20g photo ? 02:03 < ApAthY> his/her* 02:03 < waxboy> apathy: i assume the worst would be data loss 02:04 < ApAthY> i've read one thread about a guy who can't get his nano to work at all anymore...his battery won't recharge or somethng ? 02:04 < SlashX> how do i fix the iPOD Serive Error 02:04 < SlashX> Service 02:04 < SlashX> on me updater 02:05 < josh_> 18:03 < waxboy> josh_: you said that mu q had nothing to do with iPL, am i correct in assuming that iPL will bypass the 02:06 < josh_> apple policy that says i must delete the ipods contents if i want to add music to it from a new pc? 02:06 < SlashX> nvm for me 02:06 < josh_> that's an iTunes thing, not in firmware 02:06 < waxboy> nice 02:06 < josh_> just use something non-iTunes, problem solved 02:06 < waxboy> like mounting the drive directly? 02:06 < ApAthY> or winamp 02:07 < josh_> like using gtkpod, winamp, etc. 02:07 < waxboy> winamp! nice 02:08 < waxboy> well thanks for the help, now i'm off to macmall.com to get me a new toy 02:08 < SlashX> after i fix my ipod can someone help me install linux on my mini? 02:09 -!- SlashX is now known as slashx1896 02:09 -!- slashx1896 is now known as SlashX1896 02:10 < SlashX1896> cause last time i did it i fucked up my ipod 02:12 < ApAthY> maybe it just wasn't meant to be 02:13 < SlashX1896> nvm i fucked it up again... my cord isnt working and i tryed to do something and it wont work again... 02:13 < SlashX1896> my computer reads my ipod but my updater doesnt 02:13 < SlashX1896> so i cant fix it 02:15 < SlashX1896> ugh 02:15 < davidc__> SlashX1896: ipod service error? 02:16 < davidc__> Great! 02:16 < SlashX1896> not ne more 02:16 < SlashX1896> the folder error is back 02:16 < davidc__> Try another comp 02:16 < SlashX1896> i have to find my ipod cd ten 02:16 < SlashX1896> then 02:17 < SlashX1896> or can i do it w/o cd? 02:17 < davidc__> it might also be your cable 02:17 < davidc__> because if it worked fine 02:17 < davidc__> and then died 02:17 < SlashX1896> yeah 02:18 < davidc__> I bet its either your software installation 02:18 < SlashX1896> i think its my cable 02:18 < davidc__> or your cable 02:18 -!- skier1437 [n=jessegol@c-24-147-209-246.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:19 < SlashX1896> ugh.. 02:19 -!- Vanquish1r is now known as Vanquisher 02:19 < SlashX1896> they said if i want a new cable through warranty it will take a week 02:21 < SlashX1896> w/e this is pissin me off... im takin it in tothe store again tomorow... 02:21 < SlashX1896> cya... 02:21 -!- SlashX1896 [n=SlashX@pcp03325591pcs.waldlk01.mi.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:21 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:41 -!- beastmasterT [n=cheeb@adsl-83-203-99.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:59 < Daishi> leaving...g'night 02:59 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-18bfd62b.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:59 < beastmasterT> mr josh 03:00 < beastmasterT> mr josh_ 03:09 < beastmasterT> your eagle project was lame 03:11 -!- waxboy [n=polarisx@ip68-110-187-155.cl.ri.cox.net] has quit [] 03:13 -!- BHSPitLappy_ [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-250-3.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:13 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-250-3.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:14 < josh_> beastmasterT: http://www.get-linux.org/~oremanj/t/ <-- your fault 03:14 < beastmasterT> hey man 03:15 < beastmasterT> I was looking for your cxml dtd. 03:15 < josh_> haha ok 03:15 < josh_> http://www.get-linux.org/~oremanj/t/cxml.txt 03:15 < josh_> (not a formal DTD) 03:15 < beastmasterT> I saw it 03:15 < beastmasterT> I dunno man. it's even bulkier than I imagined. 03:16 < beastmasterT> you should take a look at ant (used for java makefiles) 03:16 < josh_> cxml = joke 03:16 < josh_> the bulkiness is sorta the point :P 03:16 < beastmasterT> obviously 03:16 < beastmasterT> I came up with it dude 03:17 < beastmasterT> I figured as you had gone this far... 03:17 < josh_> I just did that for fun, I was bored 03:17 < beastmasterT> must've been. 03:23 < courtc> # gcc --version 03:23 < courtc> gcc (GCC) 3.4.3 03:23 < courtc> VICTOLY! 03:24 < Quarryman> a winnel is you! 03:30 -!- KoSoVaR [n=vegim59@c-67-173-24-83.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:31 < KoSoVaR> yay my photo got stollen over the weekend. 03:31 < KoSoVaR> it was a good one to have, but shit happens. 03:31 < KoSoVaR> good thing i left the linux kernal on it and whoever stole it isn't gonna know how to use it mauahahah 03:31 < KoSoVaR> k gotta peace out ofr a bit :P <3 much love, goin to camp for my xbox 360 03:34 < Bofia> you should put a pass on the bootloader 03:34 < Bofia> so if some decides to steal your ipod 03:34 < rbz> thats not a bad idea 03:34 < Bofia> at least they're gonna have a hard time 03:34 < rbz> like a button combo 03:35 < Bofia> or just the screen lock 03:35 < Bofia> like the nanos 03:35 < rbz> rofl 03:35 < rbz> that thing is a joke 03:35 < Bofia> lol 03:35 < rbz> because it says the combo right before you lock it 03:35 < Bofia> maybe 5 numbers 03:35 < rbz> so if you leave it unlocked 03:35 < rbz> people can get your combo 03:35 < Bofia> heh 03:35 < Bofia> you can change it though 03:35 < Bofia> and with ipodlinux 03:35 < Bofia> you can delete the file 03:35 < Bofia> hehe 03:35 < Bofia> or edit it 03:35 < Bofia> thats what i do when ppl decide to lock my nano 03:35 < Bofia> and i magically unlock it 03:36 < Bofia> just open the file up in ipl 03:36 < Bofia> its in plain text 03:36 < Bofia> i should make a pass changer 03:36 < Bofia> program 03:37 < rbz> thats depressing though 03:37 < rbz> all you gotta do to get by it is reset it and go straight into disk mode 03:37 < rbz> :/ 03:38 < Bofia> still 03:38 < Bofia> if they're stupid enough to steal 03:38 < Bofia> they probably have no idea 03:38 < Bofia> put some message like, tracking ipod location 03:38 < Bofia> or, finger prints scanned 03:38 < Bofia> or some shit like that 03:38 < Bofia> rofl 03:46 < kantlivelong> sups 03:49 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [] 03:49 < rbz> is podzilla2 anywhere yet? 03:50 < josh_> rbz: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Podzilla 03:53 -!- Nappers [n=Nappers@xp000690.massey.ac.nz] has quit [] 03:53 < rbz> that doesnt tell me much from what i already knew 03:54 < rbz> is it working on nanos yet? 03:55 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Kopete 0.10.2 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 03:56 < Bofia> hey 03:59 < josh_> rbz: no 03:59 < josh_> Bofia: hey 04:02 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:08 < kantlivelong> anyone here trust NTFS write support on the 2.6 kernel? 04:08 < josh_> kantlivelong: I do, assuming you're referring to the one that can't do much 04:08 < kantlivelong> josh_: what you mean? 04:08 < kantlivelong> josh_: cant do much?? 04:11 < josh_> the 2.6 ntfs driver can only overwrite existing files, I believe 04:11 < josh_> can't create new files, can't remove files, has some other limitations as well 04:11 < kantlivelong> josh_: well now that sucks but i understand why 04:12 < josh_> however, it's perfectly safe :P 04:12 < kantlivelong> josh_: no sense in it if i can only overwrite :P 04:12 < kantlivelong> was hopin to symlink steam 04:16 -!- Bofia [n=xcvxd@dsl081-039-092.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [] 04:21 < courtc> kantlivelong: you just want a symlink locally in ntfs? 04:21 < kantlivelong> courtc: i already did it :P its just steams complex system throws me off 04:21 < courtc> ntfs 5.0+ can symlink 04:21 -!- Aik [i=random@anarchyroad.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:22 < courtc> also hardlinks iirc 04:22 < kantlivelong> courtc: i was just trying to get away w/ using steam w/o reinstalling 04:24 -!- mugget [n=mugget@220-245-98-57.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 04:25 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:25 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:32 < mugget> what can i do if the iPod-Linux OS X installer says "Error Occured While Downloading Updates"? 04:33 < mugget> i've tried a few times now... 04:33 < mugget> can i get them manually? 04:37 -!- Magnus_DeuS [i=DeuS@59.144.96.182] has joined #ipodlinux 04:39 < Magnus_DeuS> ....4g's are Unsupported....hmm....well can i atleast ask about the issue cuz it seems that it is a very minor one....?? 04:41 < davidc__> you fucked up your ipod how? 04:43 < Magnus_DeuS> no it's not fucked 04:43 < Magnus_DeuS> i guess the problem has already been posted on the forums.. 04:43 < Magnus_DeuS> it's that one man . The one in which the Menu Text is not visible... 04:44 < Magnus_DeuS> I finally found the relative post in the Forum and realized that otehrs have the problem too... 04:52 -!- Magnus_DeuS [i=DeuS@59.144.96.182] has left #ipodlinux [] 04:53 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-163-163.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 05:19 < jedix_> what iPorn?.. oh, fucked _up_ your ipod 05:23 < mugget> heh 05:25 < dell500> who likes Keller Willaiams?? :) 05:25 < davidc__> gutter.removeMind(jedix_ ); 05:25 < dell500> lol 05:26 < davidc__> well more likely: 05:26 < davidc__> gutter.removeMind(jedix.mind); 05:26 < davidc__> Error - null pointer exception in gutter::removemind(Mind * mind) 05:26 < davidc__> mind is null 05:29 < dell500> lol 05:31 < mugget> i found the problem for the OS X installer not getting the updates 05:31 < mugget> you can't run it from the DMG 05:31 < mugget> :/ 05:35 -!- iPL-SVN [i=josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:35 -!- iPL-SVN [i=josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:40 < dell500> why is it that when i try to mount my ipod, it says invalid block 05:40 < dell500> or not a valid block device 05:41 < dell500> and does anyone know why there are 2 different sectors on the ipod instead of just one? 05:41 < aegray> 2 different sectors? 05:41 < dell500> ya 05:41 < aegray> what do you mean? 05:42 < dell500> the whole thing is /dev/sdc 05:42 < aegray> partitions? 05:42 < dell500> but for some reason it has 2 boots, /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdc2 05:42 < dell500> ya 05:42 < BHSPitLappy_> partitions he means 05:42 < aegray> because thats the way the partitions are setup 05:42 < aegray> so that it will work 05:42 < BHSPitLappy_> sectors mean something else on hard drives, danalien 05:42 < dell500> oh 05:42 < dell500> ok 05:42 < aegray> 1 = firmware 05:42 < BHSPitLappy_> *dell 05:42 < BHSPitLappy_> lol 05:42 < aegray> 2 = music/whatever 05:42 < BHSPitLappy_> damn tab-completion 05:42 < dell500> well i was thinking sectors, but ya they are partitions :) 05:42 < dell500> my bad 05:42 < BHSPitLappy_> sectors are tiny units on the drive 05:42 < dell500> well that might be why it's not sycning right 05:42 < dell500> hmmm 05:42 < aegray> what linux are you using? 05:43 < dell500> ubuntu breezy 5.10 05:44 < dell500> cause i'm getting massive io errors 05:44 < dell500> and wouldn't you want to umount the whole device, /dev/sdc not /dev/sdc2 05:46 < aegray> check your kernel config for CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION 05:46 < dell500> ?? 05:46 < aegray> you shouldn't be using linux 05:46 < dell500> hmm, odd i don't have an iTunes db 05:46 < dell500> thanks 05:46 < aegray> no problem 05:46 < dell500> how do i do that 05:47 < aegray> check the source for the kernel 05:47 < aegray> and the config file in the source 05:48 < dell500> ah ha, found it 05:49 < dell500> # CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION is not set 05:49 < aegray> hmm 05:49 < aegray> wait do you have your ipod mounted / has it been mounted at any point? 05:49 < dell500> ya 05:49 < dell500> i think it's mounted right now 05:49 < aegray> ok nm 05:50 < dell500> how exactly do i get all the itunes stuff on there for gtkpod to work 05:50 < aegray> file->create directories 05:51 < dell500> gracias 05:53 < dell500> i think adding 35gb of music all at once is kinda overkilll 05:54 -!- Netslayer [n=chris@c-24-126-202-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:55 < Netslayer> i have a photo 30, and i'm following the wiki install. my default apple partition is 0 -> 5 blocks and the wiki is expecting 33 :-/ what should i do? 05:55 < Netslayer> /dev/sdc1 1 5 40131 0 Empty 05:59 < Aik> http://ipodlinux.org/How_to_install_iPodLinux_on_4G_iPod_using_Linux 06:00 < Netslayer> auh ok so it should be fine that way 06:01 < Aik> just smaller partitions 06:02 < dell500> what exactly do i do if i don't have a iTuneDB and gtkpod won't read/write one? 06:09 < joecool> gtkpod will create it 06:09 < joecool> or.. if you have mp3 files already there and the itunesdb got wiped 06:09 < joecool> you can use the check files thing i think its called 06:09 < joecool> and it'll scan them all and regenerate a new one 06:11 < Aik> I just updated pz2 source from svn. nice to see it can write to the nano display now. however, I'm only getting a "TTK" title bar and a gray-bordered black rectangle below it. is that currently appropriate? 06:11 < Aik> the desktop build is fine 06:13 -!- EvilDude [n=prashant@CPE-60-225-208-251.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 06:20 -!- joecool is now known as joecool|sleep 06:20 -!- veteran [n=veteran@cpe-67-10-163-163.houston.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:31 -!- beFher [n=beFher@CPE-144-131-144-70.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 06:31 -!- beFher [n=beFher@CPE-144-131-144-70.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ipodlinux [] 06:32 < Netslayer> should i be using ipod_fs_040403.tar.gz for the os? (going through the wiki) it looks like it's old 06:37 -!- Bofia [n=xcvxd@dsl081-039-092.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:37 < davidc__> it is olde 06:37 < masquerade> that's like, 1-2 years old 06:37 < aegray> anyone have an mpeg1 or 4 fileformat specification 06:37 < aegray> ? 06:38 < jedix_> no rfc? 06:38 < aegray> rfc? 06:38 < jedix_> I think I misunderstood the question 06:38 < Netslayer> davidc__, that's what the wiki points to what should i use? 06:38 < Netslayer> masquerade, ? 06:57 -!- Septicaemia [i=bwsloan@CPE-60-225-112-176.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:57 < Netslayer> nm i followed the upgrade section 06:58 < Netslayer> any ideas on why now after i reboot my ipod ic apple logo -> boots ipod os (no tux logo), if i hold down the rewind button on boot it kind locks up on the apple logo 07:02 < spazzium> Netslayer: you have linux set as default? 07:02 < Netslayer> nope 07:03 < Netslayer> should i be seeing a tux logo anyway? 07:03 < spazzium> I don't on my nano 07:03 < spazzium> it depends on the ipod 07:03 < Netslayer> ok so i'm supposed to hold down the rewind button? 07:03 < spazzium> right 07:03 < Netslayer> it doesn't seem to be working hrm 07:03 < spazzium> but it sounds like you messed up your make_fw step 07:04 < Netslayer> ./make_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 ipod_os_partition_backup ./make_fw -3 -o my_sw.bin -i apple_os.bin -l uclinux-2.4.24-ipod2.bin loader.bin Generating firmware image compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo... dd if=my_sw.bin of=/dev/sdc1 07:05 < spazzium> that's what your problem is 07:05 < spazzium> don't use a vanilla kernel in the make_fw 07:05 < spazzium> download one of the nightly/daily builds 07:05 < Netslayer> auh ok 07:05 < spazzium> `builds 07:05 < Netslayer> just restart that step 07:05 < spazzium> `daily 07:05 < spazzium> hrmmm 07:05 < spazzium> I need to figure out what the bot knows 07:05 < spazzium> yeah, you can use the apple_os.bin that you made previously 07:06 < spazzium> it should still be ok 07:08 < Aik> Netslayer: did you use the old FS file and patch the contents? 07:08 < Netslayer> i'm just going to put the new my_sw.bin in 07:08 < Netslayer> um i followed the wiki let me check 07:08 < Netslayer> i did the upgrading section for podzilla 07:10 < Netslayer> i'm in linux!!! 07:12 < spazzium> hooray! 07:13 < Netslayer> now i gotta try video player 07:13 < spazzium> try idoom too 07:13 < spazzium> it's impressive 07:13 * spazzium bows to hyarion 07:14 -!- BHSPitLappy_ [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-250-3.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:14 < Netslayer> so why no bootsplash heh 07:14 < spazzium> Netslayer: they don't have the display drivers built into the loader for the nano 07:15 < spazzium> that'll change once the new bootloader is released, I hope 07:15 < spazzium> slowcoder: is working on it 07:15 < spazzium> actually I kinda like just having the text there 07:15 < Netslayer> i'm really impressed 07:15 < Netslayer> spazzium, ya but bootloaders are still cool 07:15 < Netslayer> nice my kernel was compiled today :-P 07:17 < Netslayer> is there a way to suspend it aka holding the play button in apple os? 07:17 < spazzium> no 07:18 < Aik> so who is working on pz2? 07:18 < spazzium> josh_: 07:18 < spazzium> err yeah, josh_ is 07:19 < spazzium> and courtc 07:19 < spazzium> courtc is portin MPD I think 07:19 < Aik> I mentioned earlier that the current code actually displays on a nano, which is nice, but it seems to be just a test screen. do you know if that's so? 07:19 < Aik> current pz2 that is 07:20 < spazzium> dunno 07:20 < spazzium> the last time I tried pz2 on mine, it wouldn't boot 07:20 < spazzium> but I know that they were having display problems, so they might have put a test screen in 07:20 < Aik> I suspect I may be the only nano owner messing with pz2 07:21 < spazzium> you're not 07:21 < spazzium> if you say it's working I'll probably try again 07:21 < spazzium> what kernel build are you using? 07:21 < Aik> from the 18th 07:21 < spazzium> hmmm 07:21 < spazzium> I was trying a fixed kernel from josh_ 07:21 < Aik> what's fixed? 07:22 < spazzium> no idea 07:22 < spazzium> it's old now 07:22 < Aik> ah 07:22 < Aik> do you know if josh_ is "imphasing" on the forums, or is that someone who's just posting builds? 07:22 -!- Ozymandias [n=Rev@24.149.18.22] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:23 < spazzium> no 07:23 < spazzium> imphasing and josh are two separate people 07:23 < spazzium> imphasing was testing pz2 07:23 < Aik> I really need to figure out who everyone is 07:23 -!- Ozymandias [n=Rev@24.149.18.22] has joined #ipodlinux 07:23 < spazzium> at least I think they're two different people 07:24 < Aik> I'm writing a pod for pz2, so knowing who the author is may be handy :) 07:24 < Netslayer> i went extras->recordings -> playback and located the demo photo avi (hit play) and podzilla reset 07:24 < spazzium> I would think that eny of the devs here could help you with what you need to know 07:24 < spazzium> *any 07:25 < Aik> probably. I don't actually need to know anything at the moment. most of the API is pretty straightforward, though a bit sparse. 07:26 < Aik> I like the new selective-update widgets 07:26 < Aik> actually the old ones were probably selective too, but I never got that far with pz1 :) 07:26 < Netslayer> any ideas? permissions on the file? old root fs? 07:26 < spazzium> so pz2 is really easy to program for? 07:27 < Aik> um, well, that probably depends on who you are and what you've done before. :) 07:27 < spazzium> Netslayer: they haven't updated userland in a long time, but podzilla is really where all the functionality is 07:27 < spazzium> so make sure you have the latest podzilla on there 07:27 < Netslayer> spazzium, ya i picked up tonights kernel and podzilla 07:28 < Netslayer> -rwxr-xr-x 1 chris users 819828 Nov 21 22:42 podzilla 07:28 < Aik> but yeah, it's pretty easy once you settle into it 07:28 < EvilDude> Aik you wanted to know something about pz2? 07:28 < spazzium> Aik: I think I'd need to do lots of catch up :) 07:28 < Aik> mind you, I haven't done much more than set up a gui 07:28 < spazzium> haven't programmed in many many moons 07:28 < spazzium> this is getting me very interested 07:28 < Aik> Evil: was just wondering if the test screen I'm getting from pz2 on a nano is expected behavior at the moment 07:29 < spazzium> I have wild ambitions of building "Global Thermonuclear Warfare" 07:29 < Aik> heh 07:29 < Aik> shall we play a game? 07:29 < Netslayer> where does podzilla get started, maybe i can > the output and backtrace it 07:29 < spazzium> how many players? 07:29 < spazzium> Netslayer: podzilla gets started usually in the /etc/rc file 07:29 < EvilDude> Aik press the center button many times 07:29 < spazzium> or /etc/initd 07:29 < EvilDude> after about 10 i think it goes away 07:29 < Aik> okay, you've now exhausted my knowledge of the movie's dialogue :) 07:29 < Netslayer> spazzium, i think it got moved to initab now 07:30 < Netslayer> spazzium, pz:unknown:/bin/podzilla 07:30 < Netslayer> if i commented that out and put it in my rc.. should that work? 07:30 < spazzium> it works on mine, but I don't really know what I'm doing 07:30 < mugget> i have a Q: is video playback included in the iPod Linux Installer? 07:30 < spazzium> they gave me reasons not to do taht, which I didn't understand 07:30 < mugget> or do i have to DL something else? 07:31 < Aik> Evil: okay, now I've got "Podzilla" on top with the battery indicator, and all black below the title bar 07:31 < spazzium> Aik: so what pod are you building? 07:31 < Aik> nano. that's why I figured this was test code to get the lcd working. 07:31 < spazzium> you're in pz2, I wouldn't expect it to be bugfree yet :) 07:31 < Aik> oh heck no spazz :) 07:32 < spazzium> a game? 07:32 < Netslayer> it's working!!! 07:32 < Aik> oh what pod, as in what what module. 07:32 < spazzium> yeah 07:32 < Aik> It's a simulation of the user interface from my ancient MP3 player, which is now dead and dearly missed by me. 07:32 < spazzium> hahaha 07:33 < EvilDude> hm all black below doesn't sound good maybe there's somethin wrong on nano =\ 07:33 < spazzium> awesome 07:33 < Netslayer> spazzium, thx for the help, this was quite painless 07:33 < Aik> I got a Personal Jukebox when they came out. simple and nice interface. I don't like the iPod as much. 07:33 < spazzium> Netslayer: no problem, hope you enjoy it 07:33 < Aik> so I figured, what the hell, I'll replace it :) 07:33 < spazzium> haha 07:33 < EvilDude> heh iPod's interface owns once you get it up well 07:33 < EvilDude> eg I use genres to organise my music 07:33 < EvilDude> and put that on main screen 07:33 < EvilDude> so now i go genres, choose what group i want, then artist etc :D 07:34 < spazzium> I still just shuffle and then bounce through till I find something I want 07:34 < spazzium> it's inane, but I don't like change 07:34 < Aik> Evil: oh yeah, it's got some nice stuff. I've been using genres as well. I'm starting with this old pjbox interface and then I'll tack on what's missing from the ipod. 07:34 < spazzium> Aik: I want to build my own animated theme for pz2 07:34 < spazzium> I think it's within my reach once they solidify things and get hotdog stable 07:35 < Aik> Evil: I'm guessing the black is maybe a black background with black text on it. the gui sounds like it's working, at least. two clicks up or down at whatever menu I'm on. 07:35 < Aik> or maybe the widgets aren't updating 07:35 < Aik> but I'm guessing it's just the wrong color depth 07:35 < spazzium> Aik: any errors while building? 07:36 < Aik> nope 07:36 < spazzium> bah, I'll wait until they get the interface working without tweaks before I do another install 07:36 < Aik> yup, the interface is working. I can go into extras, but I only see the title bar. 07:37 < spazzium> you can still build the dev-env and get things started there though 07:37 < Aik> yeah I've been developing in the desktop version 07:37 < spazzium> I haven't bothered installing SDL on the mac 07:37 < spazzium> what's the dev-env like? 07:37 < spazzium> does it draw the desktop in a window or what? 07:38 < Aik> not bad. the only bother is that the keyboard inputs that mirror the ipod's are really non-intuitive :) 07:38 < Aik> yeah 07:38 < spazzium> ahhh 07:39 < spazzium> perhaps I'll get fink going and install SDL 07:39 < Aik> I'm just using linux 07:40 < spazzium> it's popular around these parts... :) 07:40 < Aik> I didn't have linux a week ago :) 07:40 < spazzium> haha 07:40 < spazzium> I have slax if I really need linux sometime 07:40 < Aik> downloaded FC4, deleted a bunch of crap, grabbed partitionmagic, and went to work 07:41 < spazzium> nice 07:41 < spazzium> and by "grabbed" you mean purchased at Staples right? 07:41 < Aik> ripoffUSA, actually. er, I mean compUSA. 07:41 < spazzium> seriously? 07:41 < Aik> I'm paid well enough to buy software :) 07:42 < spazzium> damn :) 07:44 < Aik> (I wasn't always so virtuous, though ;) 07:44 < spazzium> oh I'm certainly not 07:44 < spazzium> I could easily blow all my disposable income on software and dvd's 07:44 < spazzium> but I don't. 07:45 < spazzium> also, there's something to be said for conveience :) 07:45 < Aik> after I realized I hardly ever watch the DVDs I buy or finish the games I buy, my software budget stopped being so big 07:46 < Aik> now I sit around in front of a TiVo and drool 07:46 < Aik> much cheaper 07:46 < spazzium> haha! 07:50 < Aik> EvilDude: dunno if you're still here. if I go into Settings->Contrast, I actually get an inverted (white on black) horizontal adjustment bar. I think everything is working, just in the wrong depth or something. 07:50 < EvilDude> oh right here sorry got distracted :P 07:51 < EvilDude> you might be in the inverted color scheme 07:51 < EvilDude> if not 07:51 < EvilDude> switch to it ;) and it 07:51 < EvilDude> it'll look normal* 07:53 -!- kashi [n=suma_hir@85.193.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 07:54 < Aik> EvilDude: okay, actually, assuming that everything is in the same order as the desktop build, inverted is the one that looks normal and normal is inverted 07:54 < EvilDude> haha ok maybe nano is for some odd reason inverted 07:54 < Aik> is there a settings file I should delete? I wonder if something is stale. 07:54 < Aik> oh I should just reset the settings, duh 07:55 < Aik> nope, that wasn't it 07:56 < EvilDude> na settings are seperate 07:56 < EvilDude> i think its just some software thin that needs to be fixed 07:56 -!- lucaas [n=LMX@h192n7c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 07:57 < Aik> ah, finally got the backlight timer on a proper setting. that was annoying to have it always off. :) 07:58 -!- bholland [i=bholland@207.194.36.90] has joined #ipodlinux 07:58 -!- Zol [n=NN@S0106000c41421537.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:05 -!- LMX [n=LMX@h200n3c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Success] 08:05 -!- bholland [i=bholland@207.194.36.90] has quit [] 08:29 < Aik> hm, weird, I just realized it's not loading any pods either 08:30 < spazzium> no pods! 08:38 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 08:44 < Netslayer> how do i access the vfat partition on my ipod when i'm in linux, is there a dir inmnt? 08:46 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:50 < spazzium> mine gets mounted by the rc file 08:50 < spazzium> one sec 08:51 < spazzium> http://spazzium.pastebin.com/436008 08:51 < spazzium> there's my rc file 08:51 < spazzium> remove podzilla if you're executing it elsewhere 08:52 -!- philhans_ [n=philip@c-67-177-53-17.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:53 -!- philhans [n=philip@c-67-177-53-17.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:53 < Netslayer> yup got it 08:54 < Netslayer> this is so cool, now i want divx/xvid codec support :-P 08:56 -!- EvilDude [n=prashant@CPE-60-225-208-251.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:59 < Netslayer> what cpu does the ipod photo have? (speed wise?) 09:00 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 09:00 < Aik> I think there's a set of specs for all of them somewhere on ipodlinux.com 09:00 -!- EvilDude [n=prashant@CPE-60-225-208-251.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 09:01 < Netslayer> Aik got it thx 09:03 < Netslayer> specs say dual arm 80mhz capable cores 09:04 -!- bholland [i=bholland@207.194.36.133] has joined #ipodlinux 09:04 < Netslayer> that'll sure be a challenge to make any compression work :-/ 09:05 < Aik> keep in mind ipodlinux is only using one of them at the moment 09:05 < Netslayer> i wonder how much cpu power you'd need to playback mpeg at that res 09:09 -!- EvilDude [n=prashant@CPE-60-225-208-251.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:12 < bholland> hey aegray 09:12 < bholland> guess what... 09:12 < bholland> I was in the US yesterday... 09:13 < aegray> heh 09:13 < aegray> good time? 09:13 < bholland> oh yeah the customs agent that frisked me and swiped my laptop became a good friend of mine 09:14 < aegray> nice 09:14 < bholland> detect any sarcasm there? 09:14 < aegray> nope 09:14 < bholland> I wasn't happy 09:14 < bholland> but yeah 09:14 < bholland> I had to fly thru on my way back from Fiji 09:14 < bholland> I've been there for the last month 09:16 < bholland> the sadest fact is that Fiji is a 3rd world country and they can get faster internet in a village that has no power than I can here in McBride 09:16 < bholland> I am totally going to sue telus 09:16 < aegray> lol 09:18 < bholland> so any big break thru's while I was gone? 09:18 < bholland> nano supported yet? 09:18 < aegray> it works 09:18 < slowcoder> n.a.n.o? What's that? :) 09:18 < aegray> pz2 09:18 < bholland> not that I'm pestering, I'm just curious 09:18 < bholland> cule 09:21 -!- Septicaemia [i=bwsloan@CPE-60-225-112-176.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 09:22 < bholland> any else I should know about like a taser running from ipl usb-host support? 09:22 < aegray> a taser? 09:22 < bholland> yeah man 09:23 < aegray> i dunno what you mean? 09:23 < bholland> a taser 09:23 < bholland> imagine converting 5v from the ipod to 240v with less amps but enough to shock your friends with 09:23 < aegray> oh 09:24 < aegray> hmm 09:24 < bholland> it would be the coolest thing it could be called "the iTaser" 09:24 < bholland> yeah I know, a lawsuit waiting to happen, lol 09:26 < bholland> both the danger of high voltage and Apple would sue me for the name "iTaser" 09:26 < bholland> then they would probably market it 09:27 < bholland> and the ipl team would figure out how to port ipl to the iTaser 09:27 < bholland> itl 09:30 < Netslayer> is there an issue for video playback file sizes? i'm storing the video files (2.3GB) on the vfat partition and it won't playback.. shorter ones do 09:31 < bholland> I thought the video player had a 3gb limit 09:31 < bholland> ask aegray 09:31 < bholland> he'd know 09:31 < Netslayer> aegray, any ideas? 09:31 < aegray> Netslayer: look up the filesize limits on fat32 09:31 < aegray> < 2gig 09:31 < Netslayer> gotta love it 09:31 < Netslayer> i'm surprised nobody mentioned that on the wiki video player page 09:32 < aegray> its a wiki 09:32 < aegray> add it 09:32 < Netslayer> heh 09:32 < bholland> lol 09:32 < bholland> I was just going to say that 09:32 -!- ApAthY [n=blah@CPE0004e2a67c13-CM00137189e2f2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:39 < Netslayer> is someone working on compression right now? 09:39 < aegray> yes 09:40 < Netslayer> cool 09:40 < Netslayer> i gotta get involved in one of these projects when i get some time 09:40 < bholland> cule 09:41 < bholland> aegray: our names our mentioned in the iboy README 09:41 < aegray> mine is?? 09:41 < bholland> yeah 09:41 < aegray> all my code got removed I thought 09:41 < bholland> i just downloaded the new version and they mentioned us 09:41 < aegray> cool 09:42 -!- Barium [n=barium@odwr108094.catv.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 09:48 -!- Septicaemia [i=bwsloan@CPE-60-225-112-176.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:50 < bholland> good night all 09:53 -!- bholland [i=bholland@207.194.36.133] has quit [] 10:02 -!- Netslayer [n=chris@c-24-126-202-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:17 -!- jedix_ [n=jedix@CPE0050da1eee90-CM000a73a144c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:17 -!- ballistix [n=ballisti@60-240-201-50.tpgi.com.au] has joined #Ipodlinux 10:17 < ballistix> yo 10:18 < ballistix> http://media.putfile.com/Drifting--Arab--Style 10:18 < dell500> anyone know how to get video onto the ipod through linux? 10:19 -!- jedix [n=jedix@CPE0050da1eee90-CM000a73a144c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ipodlinux 10:22 < ballistix> um, try the wiki 10:22 < ballistix> im sure it will have it 10:23 < dell500> which wiki? 10:29 < DDustin> hows development comming along lately? 10:29 < DDustin> podzilla gotten much better? 10:29 < DDustin> hows the mini support coming along? 10:31 < ballistix> dell500: um, THE wiki 10:31 < ballistix> http://www.ipodlinux.org 10:31 < ballistix> lol ask iplbot about video 10:31 < ballistix> he might be able to tell you something 10:31 < dell500> msg iplbot video 10:31 < ballistix> you need to do /msg 10:32 < ballistix> stupid broken iplbot 10:32 < dell500> did i just do that in here?? 10:32 < dell500> lol 10:34 < ballistix> lol ill find you the page, hang on 10:34 < ballistix> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Video_Player 10:34 < ballistix> the linux stuff is there 10:35 < dell500> ya, i found it :) thanks 10:36 < ballistix> lol karma me up 10:36 < ballistix> btw no problem lol 10:39 -!- aconole [n=aconole@c-24-128-201-101.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:39 < dell500> :) 10:39 < dell500> hmm, there has to be a way to get gtkpod to add them... 10:41 -!- keppiukko [i=Juho@YYYKMCXXIII.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 10:42 < ballistix> ~karma ballistix 10:42 -!- Barium [n=barium@odwr108094.catv.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:45 < ballistix> to add what? 10:45 < ballistix> if you want to karma me up for helping you, just type ~good ballistix 10:49 -!- keppiukko [i=Juho@YYYKMCXXIII.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has joined #ipodlinux 10:51 < dell500> ~good ballistix 10:57 -!- Barium [n=barium@odwr108094.catv.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ipodlinux 11:02 < ballistix> lol thanks 11:08 -!- Arctik [n=jaymz@nr13-216-68-208-139.fuse.net] has quit ["Ctl+Alt+deleet"] 11:23 -!- DaManWithDaPan [n=ballisti@60-240-201-50.tpgi.com.au] has joined #Ipodlinux 11:23 -!- Arctik [n=jaymz@nr13-216-68-208-139.fuse.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:23 < DaManWithDaPan> anybody successfully built podzilla for desktop in windows? (yes, i know its a noob question) 11:24 -!- Zedle [n=Zedle@ool-43567e70.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:26 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@201-27-7-58.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #iPodLinux 11:27 < mugget> is there anywhere to download ViPodzilla? 11:28 < mugget> it's not on zsk009's site 11:28 < mugget> (or the links in the wiki are broken) 11:28 < mugget> :/ 11:29 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Kopete 0.10.2 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 11:30 < DaManWithDaPan> mugget: it isn't continued anymore 11:30 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:30 < DaManWithDaPan> meaning that it isn't made anymore 11:30 < mugget> oh, ok 11:30 < DaManWithDaPan> btw you're name makes me nauseous 11:30 < mugget> hrm... 11:30 < mugget> lol 11:30 < DaManWithDaPan> maggot mixed with nugget 11:30 < mugget> sorry 'bout that 11:30 < mugget> yeah... don't look it up in the dictionary if you're already feeling queezy 11:30 < mugget> :P 11:32 < DaManWithDaPan> haha 11:32 < DaManWithDaPan> but yeah as far as ViPodzilla goes, you're out of luck 11:32 -!- ballistix [n=ballisti@60-240-201-50.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:33 < mugget> ahwell 11:33 < mugget> does anyone still use it? 11:33 < DaManWithDaPan> nah, not that i know of 11:33 < DaManWithDaPan> btw i looked up mugget on wikipedia, and nothing came up 11:33 < mugget> surely there must be somewhere to find a DL of the last version...? or has it been pulled? 11:33 < DaManWithDaPan> maybe you should make a page about it? ;) 11:33 < mugget> really? 11:33 < mugget> haha 11:33 < mugget> try Google define: ;) 11:33 < DaManWithDaPan> AND NO! VIPODZILLA IS LONG DEAD! 11:34 < DaManWithDaPan> nothing with google 11:34 < DaManWithDaPan> believe me, you dont want vipodzilla 11:34 < mugget> hrm... that's weird 11:34 < DaManWithDaPan> its got nothing left in it worth keeping 11:34 < mugget> oh, i don't? didn't it have good graphics/UI? 11:35 < DaManWithDaPan> lol i've made a better looking gui 11:35 < DaManWithDaPan> lots of people have 11:35 < DaManWithDaPan> it jsut happened to be the beginning of the making of them 11:35 < DaManWithDaPan> well, gotta go 11:35 < DaManWithDaPan> cya 11:36 -!- salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ipodlinux 11:36 < mugget> ahhh! don't go yet! 11:36 < mugget> well can anyone recommend a better looking GUI than Podzilla? are there any fancy ones out there? 11:40 < mugget> and shouldn't someone edit the GB Emulator page in the Wiki? 11:40 < mugget> it says that 4G iPods are 'fully supported' but doesn't mention that *ONLY* 4G iPods are supported... 11:40 < mugget> i search for a while before i foudn that out 11:45 -!- Bi-noix [i=Bi-noix@81.56.159.111] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:51 -!- Bi-noix [i=Bi-noix@81.56.159.111] has joined #ipodlinux 12:06 -!- DaManWithDaPan [n=ballisti@60-240-201-50.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:09 -!- ballistix [n=ballisti@60-240-201-50.tpgi.com.au] has joined #Ipodlinux 12:10 < ballistix> could someone please quickly give me a tip or two? 12:10 < ballistix> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=467 12:12 -!- masquerade [n=masquera@pcp742572pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:12 -!- joecool|sleep [n=joecool@no-sources/joecool] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:13 -!- joecool|sleep [n=joecool@nj-69-68-164-112.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:14 < coob> you don't have x11/xx11-dev installed 12:14 < coob> -x 12:17 < ballistix> oh ok 12:17 < ballistix> lol i downloaded all the x11 packages tho... 12:17 < ballistix> lol but thx 12:17 < ballistix> and what do you mean by -x? 12:18 -!- BamaWOLF_ [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 12:19 < Kingstone> how much time does it take to accept a project for sourceforge? 12:19 < coob> when did you apply. 12:19 < Kingstone> friday 12:19 < Kingstone> last friday 12:19 < rage> Took about 4 days or so with me 12:19 < Kingstone> what project did you apply for? 12:20 < rage> err, sorry, I misunderstood, nm 12:20 < Kingstone> yippi 12:20 < Kingstone> i got approved :) 12:20 < Kingstone> just checked now 12:20 < ballistix> coob: xorg-x11-devel is installed... 12:20 < coob> give it a week, they're human reviewed 12:21 < coob> ballistix: i don't really know/care about cygwin. try using a proper os 12:21 < ballistix> lol 12:21 < ballistix> this IS dual boot, but i wanted to see if i could get it working anyway 12:21 < ballistix> thanks anyway 12:22 -!- Mark__ [n=Mark@cpc1-bele3-3-1-cust167.belf.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:24 -!- mugget [n=mugget@220-245-98-57.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["gone to sleep"] 12:29 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:31 < ballistix> so... 12:32 < ballistix> http://media.putfile.com/Drifting--Arab--Style 12:33 -!- KoSoVaR [n=vegim59@c-67-173-24-83.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:33 -!- KoSoVaR [n=vegim59@c-67-173-24-83.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:52 < Kingstone> anyone knows in sourceforge where do i need to put the sourceforge logo? 12:52 < Kingstone> can i put it only on front page or i need on all pages? 13:03 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@201-27-7-58.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit ["See you ..."] 13:09 -!- lucaas [n=LMX@h192n7c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:10 -!- lucaas [n=LMX@h92n9c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 13:14 -!- ballistix [n=ballisti@60-240-201-50.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:21 -!- kashi [n=suma_hir@85.193.12.61.ap.seikyou.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving.."] 13:49 -!- INpac [n=INpac@p54AD37A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ipodlinux 13:49 < INpac> hey guys 13:49 < INpac> i've got a quest about ipod nano and ipodL 13:50 < INpac> i tried to install ipodlinux with the installer or setup.exe but he always says no ipod is connected.. why? i enabled disk mode! 13:51 < INpac> any idea? 13:58 < Lecx> you can't install ipl into nano with the official installer 13:58 < Lecx> you have to do it by hands, in linux 13:58 < INpac> so i have to use linux on my pc to install linux on the ipod ? 13:58 < Lecx> i think so :p 13:58 < Lecx> i don't know about nano, but i've heared something like that 13:59 < INpac> hmm but in the german boards i've read about people that installed linux on their nano with the installer? 13:59 < Lecx> don't know 13:59 < Lecx> i have a photo one 13:59 < INpac> me too 13:59 < Lecx> slowcoder maybe knows 13:59 < Lecx> and spazzium 14:00 < INpac> yeah he's a intelligent guy : 14:00 < INpac> :) 14:00 < Lecx> :p 14:03 -!- maxx_730 [n=max@c529ca094.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 14:06 -!- JoyFM [i=JoyFM@dslc-213-023-153-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:20 -!- INpac [n=INpac@p54AD37A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"] 14:25 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@201-27-7-58.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #iPodLinux 14:53 -!- Chahk2__ [n=Chahk@rrcs-24-39-145-142.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 14:54 -!- maxx_730 [n=max@c529ca094.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:05 -!- Weihnachtssere [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcfad.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 15:05 -!- Weihnachtssere is now known as SereR0KR 15:28 -!- Zedle [n=Zedle@ool-43567e70.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:40 < preglow> hmm 15:41 < preglow> any reason why i shouldn't be able to write the exception vectors? 15:48 < slowcoder> Write-protect tab in the wrong position? :) 15:48 < preglow> btw 15:49 < preglow> i hope adress 0 isn't rom 15:49 -!- Mark_ [n=Mark@cpc1-bele3-3-1-cust167.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:49 -!- Mark_ [n=Mark@cpc1-bele3-3-1-cust167.belf.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Killed by ballard.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 15:49 < preglow> because that would make me look a fool 15:49 -!- Mark_ [n=Mark@cpc1-bele3-3-1-cust167.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:49 -!- Mark__ [n=Mark@cpc1-bele3-3-1-cust167.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:49 < slowcoder> fool 15:49 < slowcoder> :) 15:49 < Mark_> :( 15:49 < preglow> but it certainly looks like that 15:50 < preglow> the exception vectors are in iram, aren't they? 15:50 < slowcoder> Mark_: Not you.. 15:50 < slowcoder> preglow: Nope 15:50 < preglow> then why can't i write to address 0? 15:50 < slowcoder> "Magical" address 15:50 < slowcoder> The exception vectors arent at 0x0 15:50 < slowcoder> There's nothing at 0x0 15:50 < preglow> the default vectors all call into 0x40000000 15:51 < preglow> which is iram, yes? 15:51 < slowcoder> Yes 15:51 < slowcoder> But the vectors themselves arent at 0x4??????? 15:51 < preglow> then it certainly looks to me like they're placed there 15:51 < preglow> but no, where are they? 15:51 < slowcoder> Or 0x0??????? 15:51 < slowcoder> Search, and you will find.... *grins* 15:52 < slowcoder> Nah 15:52 < slowcoder> 0x6000F000 <- Local Exception Vectors 15:52 < preglow> i can't stand looking for values in ipl source 15:52 < slowcoder> 0x6000F100 <- CPU Exception vectors 15:52 < preglow> local? 15:53 < preglow> man, these portayplayer guys are playing special, aren't theya 15:53 < preglow> all other arms just use the 0x0 placement 15:53 < slowcoder> They are special, thats for sure 15:53 -!- SereR0KR [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcfad.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 15:53 < slowcoder> Oh 15:54 < preglow> but yeah, what's the difference between local and cpu exception vectors? 15:54 < slowcoder> 0x6000F200 <- COP Exception vectors 15:54 < preglow> ahh, that was going to be my next question 15:54 < Mark__> OMFG 15:54 < Mark__> no one told me the video ipod came in black! :O 15:54 * Mark__ drools on keyboard 15:54 < slowcoder> Mark__: Just keep the drool out of the channel.. :) 15:55 < preglow> slowcoder: so when a fiq or irq is raised, but processors handle it, but only one's got a handler that doesn't just return at once? 15:55 < preglow> s/but/both/ 15:55 < Mark_> why the hell have two instances of xchat opened?.... :-/ 15:55 -!- Mark_ [n=Mark@cpc1-bele3-3-1-cust167.belf.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:55 < slowcoder> preferably, only one CPU should handle the FIQ/IRQ 15:55 < slowcoder> To keep things simple 15:56 < slowcoder> 0x6000F100 = CPU Reset vector. Default value = 0x00000000 15:56 < slowcoder> But, afaik, there's no RAM or anything at 0x0, so it should better point somewhere else 15:57 < preglow> well, it looks like an exception table 15:57 < preglow> it's just got a bunch of mov pc instructions pointing to iram 15:58 < slowcoder> IRAM is a nice place to have the FIQ handler for instance 15:58 < slowcoder> Faster execution 15:58 < preglow> yeah, i can imagine 15:58 < preglow> but yeah, do you know what the local exception handler table is? 15:58 -!- SereR0KR [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcfad.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 15:58 -!- SereR0KR [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcfad.f.strato-dslnet.de] has left #ipodlinux [] 15:58 -!- SereR0KR [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcfad.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 15:59 < slowcoder> No clue 15:59 < twistx> any of you guys heard of any emulators being ported to ipl? 15:59 < twistx> or is there no possibility that could happen 15:59 < josh_> twistx: ~[wiki GB Emulator] 15:59 < iplbot> No matches. (By the way, words <= 3 letters aren't indexed.) 15:59 < josh_> er 15:59 < josh_> http://www.ipodlinux.org/GB_Emulator 15:59 < twistx> sweet i'll check that out 15:59 < twistx> thanks 16:01 < slowcoder> preglow: Wild guess here, but "local" usually means "the CPU you're executing at" when we're talking dual CPU systems 16:01 < preglow> slowcoder: right, that would make sense 16:02 < preglow> hah! 16:02 < preglow> i survived the interrupt now 16:03 < slowcoder> yey 16:08 -!- Kastanie|MDS [n=Bigred_o@p5498C51A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:08 -!- Mr_Milenko [i=Milenko@your.mom.infected.us] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:11 -!- Kastanie|MDS [n=Bigred_o@p5498C51A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 16:11 -!- Zol [n=NN@S0106000c41421537.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:18 < robin_> malloc error's are common ? 16:18 < robin_> !malloc 16:22 < robin_> it also seems that the load goes to full (1 ??) 16:24 < robin_> hmm guess it isn't stable enough for the music part.. 16:24 < robin_> nevertheless, I like doom :) 16:25 < twistx> yeah mallocs do seem common 16:25 < twistx> on mine too at least 16:40 -!- Zol [n=NN@S0106000c41421537.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:44 -!- Barium [n=barium@odwr108094.catv.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:54 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-233-72.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:06 -!- TrisoBoy [n=a@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:11 -!- debonzi [n=debonzi@201-27-7-58.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:12 < preglow> slowcoder: i take it these exception handler addresses aren't memory? i can't just place addresses to the real handlers after the eight exception handler instructions, for example? 17:13 < slowcoder> I dont know really 17:13 < preglow> if not, i'll need to stuff the real handlers in iram, probably 17:13 -!- ErUs [n=noneofyo@ACC82AC5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #iPodLinux 17:13 < preglow> or some other fixed address i can fit into one instruction 17:13 < preglow> only one i can think of is iram 17:13 -!- keppiukko [i=Juho@YYYKMCXXIII.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 17:13 < slowcoder> 0x10000000 ? 17:15 < slowcoder> For !PP5002 pods then 17:15 < preglow> slowcoder: well, yeah, and that 17:16 * slowcoder wonders if he can shrink the Linux kernel to 8KB.. 17:16 < slowcoder> Would make my code a lot easier 17:17 < preglow> hahah 17:17 < preglow> indeed 17:18 < ErUs> china is fucking huge 17:18 -!- JoyFM [i=JoyFM@dslc-213-023-153-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:20 < preglow> i still don't see how i can make this work, each exception vector is an instruction that should jump to the real handler, but i can only generate som of the addresses in one instruction 17:20 < preglow> like, if i want the real handlers in iram, mov pc, #0x40000000, mov pc, #0x40000004, etc 17:20 < slowcoder> Are you sure it's an instruction? Not just a vector 17:20 < preglow> well, if so, it's another lovely portalplayer thing i didn't know about 17:20 < slowcoder> You should have tried doing this _before_ iPL 17:20 < preglow> ordinary arms use instructions 17:21 < preglow> well, it's more or less the same, i don't read ipl source as i go 17:21 < preglow> i just can't navigate it once i put it in with the other linux source it depends on 17:21 < preglow> my eyes start bleeding after the zillionth cross reference 17:21 < slowcoder> LoL 17:22 < preglow> i tried locating the code that does this, but either i'm incompetent, or it's well hidden 17:22 < preglow> well, let's just pretend they're addresses and see what happens 17:27 -!- maxx_730 [n=max@c529ca094.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 17:28 < preglow> slowcoder: and where'd you find these exception vector addresses anyway? grepping source turns up nothing 17:40 -!- BHSPitLappy_ [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-233-72.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:42 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-233-72.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:45 -!- r3v3ng4ns [i=501@200-100-245-149.dial-up.telesp.net.br] has joined #ipodlinux 17:49 < slowcoder> preglow: How familiar are you with FAT32 ? 17:50 -!- Arctik [n=jaymz@nr13-216-68-208-139.fuse.net] has quit ["Ctl+Alt+deleet"] 17:50 < preglow> internals? not at all 17:50 < slowcoder> K 17:54 -!- blah-- [n=null@82-45-234-150.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 17:54 < blah--> hey 17:54 < blah--> is recording on the nano possible? 17:54 < preglow> no 17:55 < blah--> hardware limitation? 17:55 -!- Arctik [n=jaymz@nr13-216-68-208-139.fuse.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:55 < TrisoBoy> hello ! i have windows and a nano 4gb , can i install ipodlinux without any risks ? 17:55 < blah--> only risk is you wasting time, getting bored, and/or maybe losing your music if not backed up 17:56 < TrisoBoy> ok :) my nano wont be broken ? 17:56 < blah--> it's possible if you know what you're doing and follow instructions. you can't break anything. 17:56 < blah--> if something goes wrong you can format and restore. 17:57 < TrisoBoy> and is it to better to wait few days/ months ? 17:57 < blah--> for what? 17:57 < TrisoBoy> to dont have any problemes 17:57 < slowcoder> A proper and working installer 17:58 < TrisoBoy> yeah 17:59 < blah--> TrisoBoy, if you understand what you're doing and want to install it, use this 17:59 < blah--> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3847 17:59 < blah--> it's the only method that actually works right now.\ 17:59 < TrisoBoy> ok bty 18:00 < TrisoBoy> i think i will try :D 18:01 -!- BHSPitLappy_ [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-233-72.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:01 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-233-72.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:03 -!- philhans_ [n=philip@c-67-177-53-17.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:04 < blah--> has anyone installed floydzilla? 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everything below the title bar is black, and I'm pretty sure it's black text on a black background. sometimes you get an inverted item, like a white (gray?) box around a contrast slider. 19:33 < Aik> the title bar seems to be right, though 19:35 < Aik> (this is after you click the middle button repeatedly to get into podzilla itself) 19:36 -!- jchillerup [n=jchiller@port167.ds1-vir.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ipodlinux 19:36 < jchillerup> Is there a floating point emulator in the ipl kernel? 19:37 < Bi-noix> don't think so 19:37 < jchillerup> why not :( 19:37 < Aik> not sure about the one we use, but most compilers have an option for calling software float code in libx or libm or whichever one has it 19:37 < Aik> er s/libx/libc 19:38 < Funben> Some of you might have seen my thread on the forum about OGG on the nano, well I realize that I will need to recompile a kernel from the CVS to include MPD. But after trying to do that, I was thinking that this would just be too easy for someone that knows how to do it ! ! ! So Any Volunteer ? 19:40 < Aik> jchillerup: -msoft-float is supposed to be the gcc option 19:42 < bdmaglin> with apple 'going' to intel cpu's will they put an pentium in the ipod? 19:42 < Funben> lol 19:42 < Aik> only if they're going to fit the ipod with a 4" fan and ductwork 19:42 < Funben> probably a P IV with a big fan over it ! 19:42 < Funben> ;-) 19:43 * bdmaglin forgot about fans - he remembers the P90 melt down he had ... 19:44 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-233-72.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:46 -!- blah-- [n=null@82-45-234-150.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-"] 19:46 < joecool> would be cool to see something like a Geode in it 19:47 < joecool> thats a little more feasible 19:47 < jchillerup> That means, I can compile mplayer on the ipod 19:47 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-233-72.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:47 < jchillerup> I know that would take a week or so, but it'd be possible?! 19:48 < joecool> i don't think theres a compiler ported to run on the ipod.. is there? 19:50 < bdmaglin> i think if apple released their specs freepascal could be the compiler of choice 19:50 -!- TrisoBoy [n=a@alf94-6-82-227-152-190.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:50 < jchillerup> I am quite sure I have gcc on my ipod 19:50 < jchillerup> But I may be wron 19:50 < jchillerup> g 19:50 < jchillerup> I probably am 19:53 -!- skier1437 [n=jessegol@c-24-147-209-246.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:55 -!- Luke [n=Luke@66.103.97.34] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:56 -!- Paveman [n=Paveman@dslb-082-083-236-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:59 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Kopete 0.10.2 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 20:01 -!- kantlivelong [n=kantlive@ool-44c7b896.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:02 -!- Nappers [n=Nappers@xp000690.massey.ac.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 20:04 < Aik> people still use pascal? 20:05 < ErUs> i should hope not 20:05 < Aik> well, there's hoping and then there's reality. think visual basic. 20:06 -!- k0rnz [n=k0rnz@c-24-21-23-33.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:06 < k0rnz> any luck yet? 20:06 < ErUs> yes 20:06 < k0rnz> cool 20:06 < ErUs> i found 3p today 20:07 < k0rnz> anyone make a trainer yet for iDoom? 20:07 < ErUs> just alter the source and recompile, theres no need for a trainer 20:07 < k0rnz> anyone wanna form a clan for iDoom? 20:08 < k0rnz> maybe even setup an iDoom ladder 20:08 < ErUs> can u even play multiplayer? 20:08 < k0rnz> not yet but i bet they are working on it 20:08 < ErUs> ur crayz 20:09 < k0rnz> howd you know? 20:09 < k0rnz> did you read my file? 20:09 < k0rnz> being crazy is what keeps me sane 20:09 < k0rnz> If I wasn't crazy, I'd be insane 20:10 < k0rnz> anyone got podzilla 2 working on their Nano yet? 20:11 < k0rnz> ErUs, what type of Ipod do you have? 20:11 < Aik> it doesn't display correctly 20:11 < ErUs> 5g ( video ) 20:12 < k0rnz> I got a 4gig Nano and just picked up a 60Gb 5G video (black) 20:12 -!- warter [n=warter@p549AB260.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #iPodLinux 20:13 -!- Mark__ [n=Mark@cpc1-bele3-3-1-cust167.belf.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:13 < k0rnz> My 4Gb Nano encased in an the contour design clear polycarbonate case was thrown hard onto a carpeted floor by my insane girlfriend last night and it survived with no problems 20:14 -!- ballistix [n=ballisti@60-240-5-36-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #Ipodlinux 20:14 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:16 < k0rnz> g'day mate! 20:16 < Aik> you seem to have one too many insane girlfriends 20:17 < k0rnz> soon 1 less 20:17 < k0rnz> soon we won't need females anymore 20:18 < k0rnz> I can't wait to live in a world free of female humans 20:19 -!- k0rnz [n=k0rnz@c-24-21-23-33.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:20 -!- bdmaglin [n=bd@slrc.xwi.xmission.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 20:22 < ballistix> lol 20:23 < ballistix> i want to live in a woeld with only females 20:23 < jchillerup> Oh. My. God. 20:23 < jchillerup> Are you ballistic 20:23 < ballistix> lol 20:23 < ballistix> maybe 20:23 < jchillerup> They would all syncronize their menstrual cycles 20:23 < ballistix> hehe probly 20:23 < jchillerup> You know what would happen every 28th day? 20:23 -!- Funben [i=user@lit75-1-81-57-35-80.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"] 20:24 < jchillerup> they would begin to destroy EVERYTHING around them 20:24 < jchillerup> imagine 5 billion raging women 20:25 < ballistix> HAHAHA 20:25 -!- JoyFM [i=JoyFM@dslc-213-023-132-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:25 < ballistix> but still, think of the good side... 20:25 < jchillerup> That is not a laughing matter, I tell you 20:25 < jchillerup> but still, think of the bad side. 20:26 < ballistix> i think the good side outweighs the bad side 20:26 < jchillerup> You would almost certainly be annihilated within the first 28 days 20:26 < ballistix> hehe 20:29 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@pcp0011342279pcs.prfred01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:31 < ballistix> hmmmmmmm 20:33 < ballistix> anyone care to help me a tad? 20:33 < ballistix> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=467 20:33 < ballistix> please? 20:33 < imphasing> You're missing -some- library... 20:34 < imphasing> I've never built microwindows though, so I don't know. 20:35 < ballistix> yeah, thats what i thought imphasing... 20:35 < ballistix> thank you 20:35 < ballistix> although i couldn't imagine many more libraries than the whole X11 package 20:36 < imphasing> Maybe glibc, SDL... 20:36 < imphasing> I just use podzilla2 though, so I'm not sure about microwindows 20:39 < ballistix> yeah, i was thinking of going to podzilla2, but there's no development done for it, and besides, i like podzilla 20:39 < ballistix> development is much easier for pz2 right? 20:39 < slowcoder> No development on pz2? Dont let josh_ and oourtc hear you saying that.. 20:39 < slowcoder> ballistix: Hmm.. I've seen that before. 20:40 < ballistix> i mean in comparison to podzilla 20:40 < slowcoder> ballistix: I think it's your toolchain. 20:40 < slowcoder> Ehh.. 20:40 < slowcoder> Podzilla commit this week: Around 0 20:40 < ballistix> slowcoder: do you have any more info? 20:40 < slowcoder> Pz2 commits this week: About 10-15 20:40 < ballistix> lol thats ok 20:40 < ballistix> i like the old podzilla 20:41 < slowcoder> ballistix: If I were you, I'd try the 3.4.3 toolchain 20:41 < ballistix> ok thx slowcoder 20:41 < slowcoder> I've had that exact problem, but not related to compiling podzilla 20:41 < ballistix> ill try it out after my shower (lol) 20:41 < ballistix> btw, do you code slowly? 20:41 < ballistix> lol 20:41 < imphasing> Of course... 20:41 < ballistix> hehe 20:41 < imphasing> He has the name 20:41 < ballistix> (shower time) 20:42 < slowcoder> Yea.. I conly commit around a thousand lines of code a week 20:43 < slowcoder> s/conly/only/ 20:43 < slowcoder> Damn this non-interactive terminal 20:44 < Aik> I'm really rusty on *nix. someone remind me how to view a tex file? 20:44 < slowcoder> ballistix: Ah.. Ignore the toolchain.. I was looking at the first post 20:44 < slowcoder> ballistix: It seems you're not linking with libX11 20:45 < imphasing> Aik, get vim, or iv 20:45 < imphasing> s/iv/vi/ 20:45 < imphasing> or pico,nano,emacs 20:45 < imphasing> gedit if you're on gnome 20:45 < Aik> tex, not text :) 20:46 < imphasing> Ah. 20:46 < imphasing> :P 20:46 < slowcoder> texi2html ? 20:46 < slowcoder> Ghostview 20:46 < slowcoder> etc 20:46 < Aik> danke 20:46 < imphasing> Ghostview 20:46 < imphasing> right 20:48 < ballistix> back 20:48 < dell500> slowcoder: got all my mp3s on my pod :) 20:48 < slowcoder> ballistix: Read up 20:48 < slowcoder> dell500: Congrats 20:48 < ballistix> holy crap 20:48 < Mark_> crappy hole 20:49 < ballistix> slowcoder: i was in the process of typing how to link with libX11 20:49 < ballistix> smart man 20:49 < Aik> hm, ghostview is only for postscript. I'll try the other. 20:49 < ballistix> what API is used in pz2 btw? 20:49 < slowcoder> ballistix: For ? 20:50 < Bi-noix> is pz2 available in www.ipl.org/builds ? 20:50 < slowcoder> Nope 20:50 < ballistix> displaying stuff lol 20:50 < Bi-noix> k 20:51 < Aik> aha. info displays a tex file. 20:51 < slowcoder> ballistix: TTK 20:51 < ballistix> lol yeah i just saw that 20:51 < ballistix> whoops im dumb lol 20:51 < ballistix> would it be easier to develop in ttk than in nanox? 20:51 < Aik> wait, no it doesn't. rrr. 20:51 < slowcoder> That's why we wrote TTK 20:52 < ballistix> lol you WROTE ttk? 20:53 < slowcoder> No.. Afaik josh_ can courtc did 20:53 < slowcoder> I wrote hotdog 20:53 < slowcoder> The compositing engine TTK will use later 20:53 < ballistix> yeah, i am really impressed by hotdog btw 20:54 < skier1437> has hotdog been released? 20:54 < Bi-noix> where can I find pz2 ? 20:54 < slowcoder> skier1437: Hotdog is available in SVN 20:54 < slowcoder> But it's not integrated with TTK yet 20:54 < skier1437> what is svn? 20:55 < slowcoder> Subversion.. Kinda' like CVS 20:55 < slowcoder> But if you dont know that, you dont want hotdog, since it does nothing on its own 20:56 < skier1437> what is its advantage? 20:56 < slowcoder> It's a really fast compositor that takes all the effort of that away from the application developer 20:56 < skier1437> ooh 20:56 < slowcoder> I.e, "it makes ipod pretty" 20:57 < skier1437> so applications and games will come out for the ipod faster then? 20:57 < twistx> hey slowcoder 20:57 < slowcoder> I dont know about that.. Maybe because of TTK they will.. But hotdog will make them prettier 20:57 < twistx> you're the one who got the fbi email right? 20:57 < slowcoder> twistx: hey twistx 20:57 < twistx> the fake one :( 20:57 < slowcoder> twistx: Yep 20:58 < twistx> heh check this: http://www.securitypark.co.uk/article.asp?articleid=24602&Categoryid=1 20:58 < skier1437> someone got the fbi email? about what? 20:58 < slowcoder> Oooh.. I'm really scared now.. Maybe the new win32 worm will infect my Macs.... :) 20:58 < Aik> hard to believe people still click on attachments 20:59 < skier1437> what has improved in the latest nightlies? 20:59 < skier1437> or how do i view the most recent changes 21:01 < twistx> just fyi. i saw that article and remembered you got one 21:02 -!- masquerade [n=masquera@pcp742572pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:02 < slowcoder> twistx: Thanks 21:02 -!- warter [n=warter@p549AB260.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"] 21:02 < slowcoder> skier1437: Check the CVS log 21:03 < slowcoder> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/ipodlinux 21:03 < skier1437> but it isnt up to date, the last date was like november 11 21:03 < slowcoder> Says "Wednesday" for me 21:03 < skier1437> is that the up to date one? 21:03 < slowcoder> Yep 21:04 < skier1437> oh ok 21:04 < slowcoder> But there isnt alot of work going into main CVS now 21:04 < skier1437> what is it going into? 21:04 < slowcoder> Most of the dev work is done on the SVN servers.. 5G support, New bootloader, pz2, etc 21:04 < Aik> slow: so hotdog is a rasterizer? 21:04 < skier1437> what is the new bootloader? 21:05 < slowcoder> Crudely put, yes 21:05 < Aik> that's what my industry calls what I see in the source code 21:05 < slowcoder> The new bootloader is a complete rewrite of the old one. Native ATA, supports FAT32, etc, so the kernels can be on a FAT32 drive instead of baked into the firmware 21:05 < slowcoder> Aik: Your industry? 21:06 < skier1437> will it support playing encoded video? 21:06 < Aik> slow: videogames 21:06 -!- bdmaglin3 [n=bd@slrc.xwi.xmission.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:06 -!- ronbfrown [i=ronnybfr@bzq-218-72-158.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:06 < slowcoder> Aik: Doesnt your industry call it a "graphics engine" ? 21:06 < ronbfrown> hi all 21:06 < slowcoder> hi you 21:07 < ronbfrown> windows xp OS, Ipod nano, any compatible linux builds? 21:07 < Aik> slow: hmm, it's a bit lower level than that, but yeah, maybe 21:07 < Aik> a graphics engine tends to include scene graphs and culling and stuff 21:07 < slowcoder> ronbfrown: Plenty, not no automated installers for Win32 21:07 < slowcoder> Aik: It's on the todo-list 21:07 < Aik> well then it's a graphics engine :) 21:07 < Aik> anyway I just wanted to know if I had the gist of it 21:07 < ronbfrown> is there a site that shows me how to do it 21:08 < slowcoder> "Compositor" is a nicer word for a 2D graphics engine though.. :) 21:08 -!- lucaas [n=LMX@h92n9c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:08 < skier1437> will it play encoded video? 21:08 < slowcoder> ronbfrown: Not for Windows.. Nano installation only works from Linux, regardless of what you read on the web/forums/etc 21:08 < Aik> are you eventually going to write the inner loops in assembly? 21:08 < slowcoder> skier1437: The videoplayer? Eventually 21:09 < slowcoder> Aik: Done already, just not committed 21:09 < Aik> cool beans 21:09 < Aik> so will it sit under TTK or beside it? 21:09 < slowcoder> Aik: I write embedded UIs for a living.. I think we'll get it sorted.. :) 21:10 < slowcoder> Aik: Under and beside it. TTK has excusive on it until an app wants full-screen 21:10 < Aik> slow: don't take me the wrong way, I mostly just ask questions to glean info, not make implications :) 21:10 -!- mugget [n=mugget@220-245-98-57.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 21:10 < Aik> I'm also sorta looking at stuff and trying to figure where, if anywhere, I might lend a hand 21:11 < slowcoder> Aik: I wasnt implying that you were implying.. I just informed you that we've got people here that has the necessary skills 21:11 < slowcoder> Aik: You're welcome to lend a hand with Hotdog if you like. I could need someone like you, since I'm sole maintainer on hotdog, and I'm pretty busy with the bootloader atm 21:12 < Aik> slow: unfortunately, I currently know no ARM. I'm good with MIPS and powerPC and a few others, so I can pick it up, but it'll be a while before I know the tricks. 21:13 < slowcoder> Aik: We've got that one covered.. I could use some nicer clipping in hotdog though 21:13 < preglow> picking up arm is pretty quick 21:13 -!- ballistix [n=ballisti@60-240-5-36-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:14 < preglow> few instructions and more than nice enough to keep the interest going ;) 21:14 < Aik> is there a good manual floating around? 21:14 < preglow> not really 21:14 < preglow> www.arm.com has some quick lookup sheets 21:14 < Bi-noix> what is hotdog ? 21:14 < preglow> and there's a website somewhere 21:15 < josh_> 12:43 < Aik> I'm really rusty on *nix. someone remind me how to view a tex file? 21:15 < josh_> latex file.tex 21:15 < josh_> dvipdf file.dvi 21:15 < josh_> and then look at file.pdf 21:15 < Aik> it's too bad I have a nano. debugging running code is usually a good way to pick up asm tricks, but without the extended headphone jack, I'm screwed. 21:16 < preglow> how? i've got a nano, i haven't even connected the headphone jack to it yet :) 21:16 -!- Fenix-Dark [n=scott@ool-4353af2a.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:16 < Aik> josh_: yup. I used texi2dvi, but close enough. :) thanks. 21:16 -!- Fenix-Dark [n=scott@ool-4353af2a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:16 < josh_> or you could just download http://www.get-linux.org/~oremanj/t/ttk-api.pdf ;-) 21:16 < slowcoder> Aik: The serial port doesnt work on 4G+ anyways 21:16 < Aik> preglow: I gather the bigger ipods with the volume control can do remote debugging over it 21:17 < Aik> slow: oh, hmm 21:17 < preglow> right, probably 21:17 < Aik> josh_: I actually did already, but I figured the one in svn might be newer 21:17 < slowcoder> Aik: Hotdog runs fine on *NIX though 21:17 < dell500> anyone here know how to get video onto the ipod through linux? 21:17 < slowcoder> Aik: Could probably be coaxed into working on windows 21:17 < Aik> slow: yeah, I just mean I like to look at compiled code for a given processor, since compilers tend to know a lot of nice tricks 21:18 < slowcoder> Aik: GCC doesn't know any ARM tricks... 21:18 < preglow> Aik: gcc for arm is pretty flakey 21:18 < Aik> ah okay 21:18 < preglow> besides, most of the tricks come quite naturally 21:18 < slowcoder> ADS is the way to go for a nice ARM compiler 21:18 < preglow> slowcoder: that's not free, is it? 21:18 < Aik> btw is there anything that talks about the cache architecture(s) on the ipods? 21:18 -!- burnhamd [n=burnhamd@h100.98.40.69.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:19 < preglow> Aik: 8kb unified cache per core 21:19 < slowcoder> Aik: 8KB shared D+I cache.. 21:19 < Aik> how many ways set associative, and what line size? 21:19 < josh_> Aik: you *were* right ("I figured the one in svn might be newer") as I had just added some text-encoding stuff 21:19 < josh_> but I just updated the PDF (thanks for pointing out) 21:19 < Aik> josh_: :) 21:19 < slowcoder> Aik: One way, unknown line size 21:20 < Aik> hm, okay. well, that's easy enough to work out with a benchmark 21:20 < preglow> Aik: slowcoder one way set associative? ://// 21:20 < preglow> s/Aik// 21:20 < slowcoder> davidc__ might know 21:20 < preglow> arghh 21:20 < slowcoder> preglow: bah 21:20 < Aik> I ask because a rasterizer/compositor can benefit a lot from knowing the cache arch 21:20 < preglow> i hate crummy caches 21:20 < Aik> no kidding 21:21 < slowcoder> Just be glad there _is_ one.. Most ARM7s I work on doesnt... 21:21 < preglow> slowcoder: know if you can configure the data/code split? 21:21 < preglow> or does it just cache whatever it can? 21:22 < Aik> I'm sure the latter if it's unified 21:22 < preglow> 'tis 21:22 < preglow> well crap, then 21:22 < Aik> that really blows goats if it's really just 1-way 21:22 < preglow> a huge data access and it's blown 21:22 < Aik> slow: so what do you do embedded UIs for? 21:22 < preglow> i'd prefer it was just code cache in that case 21:22 < iPL-SVN> slowcoder * tools/ipodloader2/ (TODO fat32.c loader.c minilibc.c): FAT32 has reached pre-beta stage.. Should launch a kernel now, but doesnt.. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/237) 21:23 < slowcoder> preglow: I think it caches what it can.. But you can tell it to only cache certain areas 21:24 -!- mike`22 [n=ho@82-42-172-12.cable.ubr05.knor.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 21:26 < mike`22> hello 21:26 < iPL-SVN> slowcoder * tools/ipodloader2/ (ata.c[-] ata.h[-]): Cleanup. These are old crud (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/238) 21:27 < slowcoder> mike`22: hello 21:27 -!- mike`22 [n=ho@82-42-172-12.cable.ubr05.knor.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 21:27 < imphasing> .. 21:27 < slowcoder> bye.... :'( 21:28 < Aik> slow: so what do you do embedded UIs for? 21:28 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/ttk/ (libs/SDL/libSDL.a src/include/ttk.h src/ttk.c): Update for Nano/60004 Color, plus some stuff for Video. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/192) 21:28 < josh_> guys: iPL-SVN will probably be spouting a bunch of commits for a while 21:28 < slowcoder> Aik: Mostly cellphones 21:28 < josh_> since it wasn't working for a while 21:29 < josh_> look at the number on the end - the current revision is 238, most of these are pretty old. 21:29 < Aik> aw and I got all excited seeing the nano comment :) 21:29 -!- BHSPitLappy_ [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-233-72.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:29 -!- salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:29 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/ttk/schemes/ (inv.cs mono.cs): Add input colors. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/227) 21:30 -!- jcoxon [n=jcoxon@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 21:30 < Aik> slow: ah, much more embedded than what I do. 21:30 < iPL-SVN> josh * tools/ttk/src/ttk.c: No more timer event catchups - cause too many problems. (http://tinyurl.com/bukaa/212) 21:31 -!- BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-233-72.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:31 < slowcoder> Aik: Depends on your definition of embedded is.. Our high-end platforms are 400MHz ARM9s with 64MB of RAM 21:31 -!- iPL-SVN [i=josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:32 < Aik> slowcoder: well, true. you've actually got me beaten there. I was thinking flip-phones. 21:32 < josh_> all: commits will be redirected to #ipodlinux.commits until the flood blows over 21:32 < Aik> though even flips are getting up there now, aren't they? 21:32 < slowcoder> Aik: But I work on low-end ARM7s as well.. Much more low-end than the ipod 21:32 < imphasing> http://developer.axis.com/products/mcm/index.html 21:32 < imphasing> check that thing out 21:32 < imphasing> it's so pimp 21:32 < slowcoder> Aik: yea. Many of those have around 150MHz ARM9 with 32-48MB of RAM (high-end) 21:33 * slowcoder is not impressed 21:33 * imphasing wonders why 21:34 < slowcoder> The PP chip does the same thing, except for ethernet 21:34 < imphasing> Well, yeah... 21:34 < imphasing> but it's got memory! 21:34 < imphasing> :P 21:34 < imphasing> probably less than the PP 21:34 < imphasing> but still 21:36 < slowcoder> Actually.. I dont think the PP has more than 96KB of built in RAM 21:36 < imphasing> Oh... 21:36 < ErUs> slowcoder any news on anything ? 21:36 < ErUs> 5g preferable :P 21:36 < slowcoder> ErUs: Bootloader, pz2, and just about everything progressing steadily 21:37 < ErUs> good to hear 21:37 < ErUs> im gonna have to nick my m8's nano for a bit 21:38 < slowcoder> Aik: Whaddyasay? Wanna help with hotdog ? 21:42 < ronbfrown> what is better floyzilla or podzilla? 21:43 -!- CATS [n=chatzill@user-2754.lns4-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 21:43 < ErUs> pz2 21:43 < ErUs> :D 21:43 -!- CATS is now known as Mikasa 21:44 -!- avalanche [n=Mritari@66-189-213-15.dhcp.knwk.wa.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:45 < avalanche> I am using an ipod nano and tried to install linux using the 4g installer... 21:45 < avalanche> and now my computer doesnt recognize the ipod... 21:46 < jchillerup> Look at the topic 21:46 < Aik> slowcoder: I'm looking over it now. I'm sure there's some stuff I could do. what would you suggest? 21:46 < jchillerup> avalanche, 'Yes, you screwed up your nano; apparently you can't read.' 21:46 < avalanche> so theres no hope 21:46 < jchillerup> I don't know 21:46 < jchillerup> can you boot it into disk mode? 21:46 < avalanche> in the forum they said it worked on the nano 21:47 < avalanche> yes 21:47 < jchillerup> do that 21:47 < jchillerup> windows will recognize it there 21:47 < jchillerup> Then run Ipod updater 21:47 < avalanche> i am trying that now 21:47 < avalanche> i am using the one on the cd,, but it is at the step "rebooting ipod" 21:47 < avalanche> and its been there for 10 minutes 21:48 < imphasing> just unplug the fuckers 21:48 < imphasing> and reboot it 21:48 < ronbfrown> if i install ipodlinux will i still be able to see the cd cover art of the song that is playing ?? 21:49 < imphasing> no 21:49 < imphasing> not in lunux anyway 21:49 < ronbfrown> because the standart apple has it 21:49 < avalanche> i can still go through the menus and play games, it just isnt recognized by the computer 21:49 < slowcoder> Aik: Combining the somewhat daft clipper with a combined culler/clipper 21:49 < ronbfrown> but i can choose which one to use right? 21:51 < imphasing> ronbfrown, right 21:51 -!- Mikasa [n=chatzill@user-2754.lns4-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.1/20040707]"] 21:51 -!- JoyFM [i=JoyFM@dslc-213-023-132-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["jezz rundumerneuert -> #lw-rulez und http://www.lw-rulez.de.vu"] 21:52 -!- SereR0KR [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcfad.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 21:53 < Aik> slowcoder: okay, I'll take a look. if I change something, is svn open for anyone to submit/commit/whatever-svn-calls-it? 21:54 < slowcoder> Aik: No, but we can fix that. I would just like to see one patch first before we let you roam freely 21:54 -!- imphasing [n=imphasin@pcp0011342279pcs.prfred01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:54 < Aik> heh I understand 21:54 < slowcoder> Aik: Check PM 21:55 < ronbfrown> what are nightly builds ? 21:56 < slowcoder> ronbfrown: The latest and greatest from the developers 21:56 -!- avalanche [n=Mritari@66-189-213-15.dhcp.knwk.wa.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:59 < slowcoder> Aik: Did you get the PM ? 22:00 -!- mikeazorin [n=michaela@cpe-66-108-3-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 22:01 < mikeazorin> hola yall 22:01 < mikeazorin> i got an sh prollum wit my 30g photo 22:02 < slowcoder> We're experts at "prollums" here, so go ahead 22:02 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-18bfd62b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:02 < mikeazorin> so i think this might be an issue with the photo 22:02 < Aik> slow: yup. I'll poke around a bit and see what I can do. do you care about code formatting? I'll probably just follow what you did, but it's very different from mine. :) 22:02 < mikeazorin> but when i run sh from podzilla, i can't see any of the characters, just black squares on top of podzilla 22:03 < slowcoder> Aik: Formatting doesn't matter much, as long as you dont mind me reformatting it.. :) 22:03 -!- burnhamd [n=burnhamd@h100.98.40.69.ip.alltel.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:04 < Aik> fair enough 22:04 < ErUs> Yottabyte = 2? 22:04 < ErUs> 2^80 22:05 < slowcoder> mikeazorin: Ehh.. Running sh interactively wont work to well on the ipod 22:05 < slowcoder> No keyboard, remember.. 22:05 < mikeazorin> it's been retooled to scroll through chars 22:05 < Aik> slow: btw, is hotdog currently only for 16-bit color? 22:05 < mikeazorin> it worked really well on my 3g when i still had it 22:06 < slowcoder> Aik: Well, it's ARGB8888 internally, but the only downsampler I've made for it is to RGB565.. No problems support other formats though 22:07 < ronbfrown> on the forums i see a thread by tequilaguru where everybody says they suceeded installing ipod on windows with the same results as the installation from linux? any echoes here? 22:07 -!- BHSPitLappy_ [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-233-72.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:07 -!- Zyrill [n=zyrill@dslb-084-058-135-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:08 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:08 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:08 < Aik> slow: okay. shame about the wasted A byte, unless maybe you're planning on some destination alpha stuff. 22:08 < dell500> anyone know how to get videos (divx) onto my ipod? 22:08 < Aik> or maybe stencils... those might have some uses 22:08 < slowcoder> Aik: It does alpha-blending as it is 22:09 < Aik> slow: using dest? okay. 22:09 < slowcoder> Yep 22:09 < Zyrill> dell500: go buy more computers with preinstalled operating systems and don't bother 22:09 < slowcoder> Only gotcha is that I use prescled RGB. 22:09 < dell500> lol 22:09 < Aik> prescaled? 22:09 < slowcoder> dell500: The forums are your friend. Use them wisely 22:10 < slowcoder> Aik: Premultiplied. 22:10 < Aik> ah I see 22:10 < slowcoder> (Sorry, forgot that I was talking to graphically clued in people) 22:11 < ronbfrown> aik: what about the tut of tequilaguru on installing from windows? 22:12 < Aik> slow: should you check in your asm versions before I look closer at this? 22:12 < Aik> ron: no clue what you just asked me 22:13 < slowcoder> Aik: It's pretty much unreadable.. It's the ARGB8888 blend function that's assemblated, and the ARGB8888->RGB565 downsampling 22:13 < slowcoder> Aik: Send me an email so I get your address, and I'll send it though 22:13 -!- Vanquish1r [n=vanquish@208-58-242-177.s177.tnt2.atnnj.pa.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:13 < davidc__> know what? 22:13 < davidc__> and what about the asm? 22:13 < davidc__> I'm doing those bits 22:13 < slowcoder> davidc__: For ARM asm beginners 22:14 < davidc__> yea.. don't look at that code 22:14 < davidc__> its written not for code read pretty ness 22:14 < slowcoder> davidc__: And about "know", it was regarding the cache-line size on the PP 22:14 < davidc__> its written for pipeline and cycle prettyness 22:15 -!- linuxstb_ [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:15 < davidc__> also, the argb8888 blend isn't working right yet 22:15 < slowcoder> davidc__ == Hardcore ARM ASM coder 22:15 < davidc__> the 565 works though 22:15 < ronbfrown> aik: check this out : http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3847&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 u think its a legit working method equal to the linux install?? 22:15 -!- linuxstb [n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:15 -!- linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb 22:16 < Aik> slow: on its way. don't worry about unreadable code. I can do post-mortem debugging on symbolless executables. :) 22:16 < davidc__> Aik: want me to post some code somewhere? 22:16 < davidc__> because it gets about a 5fps boost with asm 22:16 < davidc__> and I think when I cleanup the blend it'llg et another 5 22:17 < slowcoder> Aik: On it's way back 22:18 < Aik> ron: I really dunno, I've never used the apps he's talking about. someone at the end of the thread says it works. 22:19 -!- xhavok [n=xhavok@ip70-190-122-67.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"] 22:19 < ronbfrown> thanks 22:19 < Aik> davidc__: I assume what slow is sending me is what you're talking about 22:20 < davidc__> he doesn't have it yet ;) 22:20 < Aik> ugh, I need to get thunderbird working on both windows and linux 22:20 < davidc__> so I dunno how he can send it 22:20 < Aik> pine sucks 22:20 < Aik> davidc__: okay then :) 22:21 < davidc__> Aik - david.carne.ca/final565.txt for the 565 bits if you're curious 22:21 < slowcoder> davidc__: It's the version I got 22:21 < davidc__> slowcoder: oh, the older 565 stuff? 22:21 < slowcoder> Yep.. The one littered with comments.. :) 22:21 < davidc__> eh, new oe has them too 22:21 < davidc__> its just 1 ms faster 22:22 < Zyrill> lol 22:22 < davidc__> dunno if I gave you this one 22:22 < davidc__> Zyrill: 1 ms makes a big difference 22:22 < davidc__> especially when its called once every frame you render 22:22 < davidc__> on the 8888 stuff I'm currently fighting with GCC 22:22 < davidc__> its being bitchy about how it passes registers 22:23 < slowcoder> Registers are for suckers.. Use variables.. :) 22:23 < davidc__> slowcoder: rrrriiiiight 22:23 < slowcoder> ^- GCC for ARM mentality 22:24 < davidc__> ah 22:24 < davidc__> I might end up putting that whole fast_png_blit func into a separate fully asm func 22:25 < davidc__> just to get GCC outta my hair 22:25 < Jobbe> slowcoder: did you have some examplecode for me? 22:25 < davidc__> otherwise it does stupid stuff to the stack pointer so I can't shove bits on it and etc 22:25 < Jobbe> I mean, code examples 22:25 < slowcoder> Jobbe: Uhhmm.. No.. At home again.. 22:25 < slowcoder> Doh 22:25 < Jobbe> doh 22:25 < Aik> davidc__: what's unreadable about that? I can read it with only 5 minutes of glancing at the arm manual. :) 22:26 < Jobbe> I'll pm you my email and you can send it whenever 22:26 < davidc__> Aik: its out of order 22:26 < davidc__> its two iterations thru the loop shoved together 22:26 < davidc__> its nowhere near as clear as the un-speed-scrambled code 22:26 < Aik> davidc__: heh that's not a problem for me. I do that stuff all the time. I haven't seen the docs on pipeline stalls yet, where are they? 22:27 < davidc__> the arm7 doesnt have much 22:27 -!- Vanquisher [n=vanquish@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:27 < davidc__> basically just don't use an operand right after you ldr it 22:27 < davidc__> and space out your memory accesses 22:27 < Aik> I'm wondering if you'r getting dependency stalls, e.g. LDR R0, ... / AND ..., R0 being right next to each other 22:27 < davidc__> yea, that is a dependancy stall there 22:27 < davidc__> there was nothing I could stick in between 22:27 < slowcoder> Jobbe: Got it 22:27 < davidc__> the arm is only a 3 stage pipeline 22:28 < Aik> you might want to consider unrolling with a prologue/epilogue scheme... where you're loading the next pair of pixels or maybe just one of the two in the prologue 22:29 < Aik> if you know the memory immediately after the source buffer is valid, you don't really even need epilogue 22:29 < davidc__> yea, thats on my list of "possibly further optimizations" 22:29 < davidc__> but this op is taking basically no time now 22:30 < davidc__> its the blend code thats really slow 22:30 < davidc__> so I figure I'll hit that before squeezing this one much more 22:30 < Aik> yeah it's pretty close to optimal, I'd guess 22:30 < kantlivelong> man im tired 22:30 < Aik> is the dependency stall only one cycle? 22:31 < davidc__> Aik: can't remember 22:31 < davidc__> IIRC there are no dependancy stalls 22:31 < davidc__> cept for LDR 22:31 < kantlivelong> sups all 22:31 < Aik> okay, I'll read the manuals more carefully 22:31 < davidc__> I might be mistaken 22:31 < davidc__> I know the ARM ASM really well, but not so much its pipeline 22:33 < davidc__> maybe I'll look at that blend code again now 22:33 < davidc__> I got frustrated with GCC and left it a while ago 22:33 < Aik> the other thing I'm wondering is if we have any cache control... being able to pre-dirty cache lines can save you a lot of fetching when writing. that's if the write queue isn't smart enough to avoid fetching. 22:34 < josh_> davidc__: if gcc is really being intractable, you could always put the blend code in its own file... 22:34 < davidc__> yea, I know 22:34 < davidc__> Aik: huh? 22:34 < josh_> I don't know how it's called though - is it called in a way that would save a lot of speed if inlining? 22:36 < Aik> davidc__: when you write to a bit of cachable memory that's not currently cached, almost all architectures fetch the contents of the cache line before dropping in your change. 22:36 < davidc__> Aik: ah, how fun 22:36 < davidc__> Aik - but the way this blend code works, we do a read, then a write to the same address 22:36 < davidc__> so we wouldn't get a big speedup anyhow 22:37 < Aik> davidc__: if you know you're going to wipe the entire line anyway, most processors give you a way to mark it already dirty so it thinks it doesn't have to be fetched 22:37 < Aik> davidc__: hm, good point 22:38 < Aik> maybe useful in the 8888->565 blit 22:38 < davidc__> yea, it could be 22:38 < davidc__> but the thing is, this 565 blit is taking basically none of the CPU time compared to the blend loops 22:38 < davidc__> it hits memory 1.5 times per pixel [the 565 loop[ 22:38 < davidc__> the blend is still at ~ 7 22:38 < Aik> yeah I did see you say that, I just get fixated :) 22:39 < davidc__> and I can do waaay better then that 22:39 < josh_> 13:53 < slowcoder> Aik: No, but we can fix that. I would just like to see one patch first before we let you roam freely 22:39 -!- Vanquisher [n=vanquish@208-58-242-208.s208.tnt2.atnnj.pa.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:39 < Aik> so can you show me the blend code? 22:39 < josh_> darn putty right click! gaah! 22:39 -!- will` [n=will@ppp-71-139-17-234.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:39 * josh_ pries off right mouse button 22:39 < davidc__> sure, jas 22:39 < davidc__> david.carne.ca/tempblend.txt 22:39 < davidc__> FYI - its in the middle of editing 22:40 < davidc__> so guaranteed broken 22:40 < mikeazorin> hey, i searched the wiki to no success, and am wondering where i could find a guide for connecting a serial keyboard to ipod 22:40 < Aik> 'sokay 22:40 < davidc__> and it hasn't been optimized yet 22:40 < davidc__> its just still at the basic ASM stage 22:40 < davidc__> its eventually gonna get loop-unrolled 22:41 < coob> mikeazorin: you need to write it. 22:41 < mikeazorin> mmkay... so which wires go where? 22:41 -!- Pinkevin [i=Pinkevin@c-54b071d5.157-58-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ipodlinux 22:43 -!- bdmaglin3 [n=bd@slrc.xwi.xmission.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:43 < Aik> david__: so does our arm have the parallel ops I think I saw in the reference manual? 22:43 -!- will` [n=will@ppp-71-139-17-234.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 22:44 < davidc__> Aik: hmm? 22:44 < davidc__> there are some paralell ops for the later arm archs 22:44 < davidc__> but not for this one IIRC 22:44 < davidc__> we do some pseudo paralellism by doing two 8x8 muls at once 22:44 < davidc__> but thats bout it 22:45 < Aik> ah, there they are. top of the second page of the quickref card. it's only add and subtract. 22:45 < davidc__> \what are the acronyms? 22:45 < davidc__> I'll tell you if we have them 22:45 * davidc__ doesnt have the quickref on hand 22:46 < Aik> ADD8{cond} Rd, Rn, Rm 22:46 < Aik> or add16 22:46 < davidc__> nah, not even mentioned in my arm book 22:46 < davidc__> which is relatively recent 22:46 < Aik> ok back to staring 22:48 -!- Vanquish1r [n=vanquish@208-58-242-177.s177.tnt2.atnnj.pa.dialup.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:52 < davidc__> hrm, think I found a solution to this register starvation 22:54 -!- bdmaglin [n=bd@slrc.xwi.xmission.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:54 < linuxstb> Aik: Those are for ARM arch v6. The arm7tdmi is arch v4 (I think). Most of the instructions on the quickref don't exist for the ipod. 22:54 < mikeazorin> so no one knows how to connect a keyboard to an ipod? 22:55 < Aik> linuxstb: oh good. :) ah, is the third column in the quickref the arch? 22:55 < Aik> or is that the cycle count... 22:55 < Aik> hm. *reads* 22:55 < linuxstb> The third col is the arch. 22:55 < Aik> ah yes it is 22:56 -!- robhouse [i=robhouse@dslb-084-060-220-165.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:56 -!- Chahk2__ [n=Chahk@rrcs-24-39-145-142.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"] 22:56 < davidc__> hmm, who was it that got armulator running? 22:56 < davidc__> was it courtc? 22:57 -!- robhouse [i=robhouse@dslb-084-060-220-165.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:57 < Aik> do we get "M" architecture instructions? says here M is 3M/4 and above 22:58 < slowcoder> davidc__: Aegray did afaik 22:58 < davidc__> yea, M 22:58 < davidc__> thats with the multiplier 22:58 < josh_> we're arm7tdmi 22:58 < josh_> davidc__: think it was aegray 22:58 < slowcoder> mikeazorin: I know how I'd build the hardware and write the software, but that's _WAY_ too much to cover in IRC 22:59 < davidc__> hmm.. did he ever put binaries up? 22:59 -!- joecool [n=joecool@no-sources/joecool] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:59 -!- joecool [n=joecool@nj-71-0-229-243.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:00 -!- joecool_ [n=joecool@nj-71-48-109-255.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:00 -!- joecool [n=joecool@nj-71-0-229-243.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:00 -!- joecool_ is now known as joecool 23:00 -!- ufoalien [n=java@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit ["und weg"] 23:01 < preglow> davidc__: do you know what the stuff lying around address 0 is? rom? 23:02 < davidc__> preglow: depends how you setup your memory mappings 23:02 < davidc__> its flash if unmapped 23:02 < davidc__> but the first thing the kernel does is map itself over that so it gets interrupts 23:03 < preglow> davidc__: you can set up memory mapping? 23:03 < preglow> i thought there was no mmu 23:03 < davidc__> preglow: not enough for a proper mmu 23:03 < davidc__> you get a few very basic remaps as far as we know 23:04 < preglow> right, 'cause i was trying to get exceptions working, and in my infinite wisdom i forgot that address 0 isn't ram 23:04 < Aik> davidc__: I think you basically have the right code in your blender. unless there's something you can do to improve memory access patterns, I doubt you can do much better. 23:04 -!- mfgaliz1 [n=micah@CPE000f66e3da54-CM000f9f7770aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:05 < davidc__> Aik: that is the "optimal" code 23:05 < davidc__> GCC just won't compile it because gcc wants too many regs for itself 23:05 -!- mfgaliz1 [n=micah@CPE000f66e3da54-CM000f9f7770aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 23:05 < davidc__> so I'm reworking it right now 23:06 < davidc__> the problem right now is that gcc INSISTS on optimizing things it shouldnt 23:06 < Aik> davidc__: the only thing you might be getting hurt by is cache fighting, where your source buffer is using the same lines (different page, of course) as your dest. only thing you could do there is to unroll and pre-load the entire line into registers before blending. 23:06 -!- mikeazor1n [n=michaela@cpe-66-108-3-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 23:06 < davidc__> Aik: no real way to do that ;) 23:06 < davidc__> not enough regs 23:07 < Aik> how many are you using now? 23:07 < davidc__> my current vers, 8 23:07 < davidc__> not counting gcc passed ones 23:07 < davidc__> which is another 5 23:07 < Aik> davidc: on mips with gcc, I use ".set noreorder" to avoid letting gcc do extra stuff, but I dunno if that's a gcc thing or a mips thing 23:07 < Aik> I thought you had 31 registers with arm 23:08 < davidc__> 16 23:08 < Aik> and one is the pc? 23:08 < davidc__> yep 23:08 < Aik> lovely 23:08 < davidc__> and I need one for a stack pointer 23:08 -!- mikeazor1n [n=michaela@cpe-66-108-3-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:08 < davidc__> unless I do some seriously non-reentrant code 23:08 < davidc__> Aik: better than x86 ;) 23:09 < preglow> davidc__: so, is that the way to go when setting up exception vectors? slowcoder mentioned some exception table at 0x6000f100 23:09 < davidc__> yea, just make your exception table at 0x0 of your load address 23:09 < preglow> apple firmware seems to have a bunch of addresses pointing into iram there 23:09 < davidc__> and then remap your image to 0x0 23:09 < Aik> your code is leaf code... you could probably disable interrupts and be okay being non-reentrant 23:09 < davidc__> or at least thats what we do 23:09 < davidc__> Aik: disabling interrupts is a bad idea 23:09 < davidc__> linux would shit itself 23:10 < Aik> not if you don't do too much... maybe arm is different, but most systems queue up the interrupts 23:10 < Aik> disabling is just pausing, not killing 23:11 < Aik> or maybe I'm talking shit, now that I think about it 23:11 < davidc__> Aik: the interrupt bits would get set 23:11 < davidc__> but you would definitely lose two of the same kind 23:11 < Aik> true 23:11 < davidc__> and our drivers are fragile enough already 23:11 < Aik> okay nevermind me :) 23:11 < davidc__> heh, ok 23:11 < preglow> davidc__: do you run in user mode or supervisor mode? 23:11 < Aik> just throwing stuff out there that I've heard or used before 23:11 < davidc__> user IIRC 23:12 < davidc__> the kernel runs in supervisor of course 23:12 < preglow> sure 23:12 < davidc__> but I think apps run in user 23:12 < preglow> i'm just playing around with always running in supervisor mode 23:12 -!- mikeazor1n [n=michaela@cpe-66-108-3-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 23:12 -!- Hostile [n=lanteau@cblmdm65-221-61-130.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:12 < preglow> can't be bothered to find out what i can do and what i can't do 23:12 < davidc__> preglow: you lose some of your ability to do SWI's IIRC 23:12 < Hostile> Hmm whats the status of linux on my 3rd gen? mpd interface yet? 23:12 < preglow> it's not like my code will have bugs anyway ;) 23:13 < preglow> davidc__: that would explain why i can't get swis to work... 23:13 < davidc__> preglow: because when you execute an SWI 23:13 < davidc__> the proc switches to supervisor mode 23:13 < preglow> yes it does 23:13 < preglow> but so what? 23:13 < davidc__> if you're in supervisor mode already, it'll trash your link register 23:14 < preglow> hmm, that's true 23:14 < davidc__> and worse now that I think about it 23:14 < preglow> but currently i do survive throwing an swi 23:14 < preglow> but thein again, i'm not even sure i've got the exception vectors set up correctly 23:14 < davidc__> preglow: that would be a problem too 23:14 < preglow> doing a swi used to hang me, so i've got to assume i'm doing something right 23:15 < Aik> is SWI like a syscall on mips? 23:15 < preglow> davidc__: but anywho, when we're always in supervisor mode, we'd never need doing swis 23:15 < davidc__> Aik: pretty much 23:15 < Aik> k 23:15 < davidc__> preglow: of course not, but it makes it hard to do multitasking properly 23:16 < preglow> davidc__: why's that? 23:16 < davidc__> because you can't just have the OS suspend a thread when its doing a system request 23:16 < davidc__> aka, for I/O 23:17 < preglow> not a problem, we do cooperative threading 23:17 < davidc__> if you do that from all within supervisor space you'd have to do some incredible stack juggling 23:17 < davidc__> preglow: ah 23:17 < preglow> and i don't think that'll change for a long time 23:17 < davidc__> heh. 23:17 < davidc__> I don't know much about rockbox internals 23:18 -!- mikeazorin [n=michaela@cpe-66-108-3-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:24 -!- Paveman [n=Paveman@dslb-082-083-236-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:24 -!- Paveman [n=Paveman@dslb-082-083-192-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:27 < Hostile> Hmm whats the status of linux on my 3rd gen? mpd interface yet? 23:27 -!- mikeazor1n [n=michaela@cpe-66-108-3-52.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 23:29 < preglow> davidc__: anyway, you got anything to add on the 0x6000f000 exception vector table thing? 23:29 < preglow> davidc__: if i can get this to work without having to remap memory, i'd be happy 23:32 -!- Zol [n=NN@S0106000c41421537.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:32 < davidc__> I don't remember anything about a vector table there 23:32 < Aik> davidc__: so do I read this right: dest_rgb = src_rgb_premul_by_src_a + dst_rgb * (255-src_a) 23:32 < davidc__> some of the interrupt setup registers might be, but again, I don't remember off the top of my head 23:33 < davidc__> Aik: thats the algo 23:33 -!- spazzium_ [i=Spazzium@fs1231pc2.ics.purdue.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 23:33 < Aik> why not store 255-a when you premultiply rgb? 23:33 < davidc__> Aik: there is a C impl in the repository 23:33 < davidc__> ask slowcoder 23:33 < davidc__> I just implemented his C 23:33 < Aik> ok 23:33 < spazzium_> how's pz2 looking? 23:33 < davidc__> rather blue 23:33 < spazzium_> awww 23:34 < spazzium_> err 23:34 < spazzium_> hooray? 23:34 < davidc__> [ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer] 23:34 < Aik> davidc__: I'll say and ask a lot of obvious stuff, because once in a blue moon nobody realizes something has been overlooked. most of the time it's unnecessary to mention, I know. 23:34 < davidc__> heh 23:34 < davidc__> I honestly don't know why we don't store 255-alpha 23:35 < Aik> is the +808080 for the sake of rounding? 23:35 * Aik looks for C impl 23:35 < davidc__> Aik: I think so 23:35 < davidc__> but I don't think it rounds right :P 23:35 < davidc__> again, only slowcoder can answer those 23:36 < davidc__> I just took his C engine and fast-ized it 23:36 < spazzium_> hahaha 23:37 < Aik> I think you have to do the add to get it to blend white without degradation 23:38 < Aik> though if it's going to be 16-bit color eventually, it's probably not worth the extra cycles and registers 23:38 -!- tcmjr [n=tadeu@201008048012.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ipodlinux 23:39 -!- Pinkevin [i=Pinkevin@c-54b071d5.157-58-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 23:44 -!- burnside [n=tomm@69-172-2-167.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 23:45 < Aik> the other thing you could do is premultiply like this: rgb = rgb * 128 * a / 255, and then shift by 7 instead of 8. 23:45 < Aik> er I meant to do that for alpha, not rgb 23:45 < Aik> a = a * 128 / 255 23:45 < Aik> duh 23:55 -!- spazzium_ [i=Spazzium@fs1231pc2.ics.purdue.edu] has quit [] 23:59 -!- philhans [n=philip@byu292809wks.byu.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] --- Log closed Wed Nov 23 00:00:00 2005