--- Log opened Sat Oct 22 00:00:02 2005 00:07 -!- danalien [n=danalien@unaffiliated/danalien] has joined #ipodlinux 00:14 < ErUs> lo all who b online 00:14 < kantlivelong> lo 00:26 * ErUs is gon go take a shower 00:28 < kantlivelong> k 00:29 < kantlivelong> $%^%$E^%$^ 00:29 < kantlivelong> gettin annoyed 00:33 < josh_> kantlivelong: why? 00:34 < kantlivelong> eh just trying to get used to character arrays 00:34 < kantlivelong> im changing some of my code 00:34 < kantlivelong> how can i reset an array of ints? 00:34 < kantlivelong> memset(dealer_cards, 0, sizeof(dealer_cards)); 00:34 < kantlivelong> ? 00:37 < josh_> should work 00:37 < josh_> maybe try, instead of sizeof(dealer_cards), sizeof(int) * NCARDS. 00:45 < kantlivelong> well it works :P 00:45 < josh_> 2good 00:45 < josh_> *good 00:45 < kantlivelong> j/w if thats the best way 00:45 < josh_> yeah, that is 00:45 < kantlivelong> ight 00:45 < josh_> I thought you were saying it wasn't working 00:45 < kantlivelong> nah 00:46 -!- Dima202 [n=Dima202@ool-18b96b10.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:56 < kantlivelong> josh wanna beta test.. as i am done coding 1.0 00:57 < josh_> sure 00:57 < kantlivelong> sec 00:57 < josh_> send over blackjack.c 00:57 < kantlivelong> gonna upload 00:57 < josh_> cool 00:58 < kantlivelong> lemme just compile it 00:58 < kantlivelong> gonna make sure 00:59 < josh_> cool 01:00 < kantlivelong> http://kantlivelong.com/blackjack/ 01:01 < kantlivelong> hold switch = help 01:03 < kantlivelong> *crosses fingers* 01:04 < Capso> Is it in GUI? 01:04 < kantlivelong> yes 01:06 < kantlivelong> gimme some input whenever ur rdy, whoever runs it 01:07 < josh_> on the desktop, you still can't see the end 01:07 < kantlivelong> hmm? 01:07 < kantlivelong> the end? 01:07 < kantlivelong> maybe its sleep()? 01:07 < kantlivelong> idk what would do that 01:08 < kantlivelong> but yeah i didnt compile this for desktop so :P 01:08 -!- ErUs|Linux [n=ErUs@ACC887B5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:08 < kantlivelong> erus 01:09 < ErUs|Linux> yo 01:09 < kantlivelong> http://kantlivelong.com/blackjack/ 01:09 < ErUs|Linux> 10mins 01:09 < kantlivelong> its rc1 01:10 < ErUs|Linux> kool 01:10 < kantlivelong> giveit a go 01:10 < ErUs|Linux> k 01:10 < ErUs|Linux> compiling 01:12 < ErUs|Linux> playing 01:16 < ErUs|Linux> kantlivelong, can i offer some suggestions? 01:18 < kantlivelong> yes 01:18 < kantlivelong> im open :P 01:18 < ErUs|Linux> maybe when you reset the pot to default after it goes <= 0 - it could tell the player gameover or something? 01:19 < kantlivelong> it does doesnt it? 01:19 < ErUs|Linux> maybe it does. its not drawing correctly on the desktop in that case 01:19 < josh_> yeah 01:19 < kantlivelong> yeah 01:19 < ErUs|Linux> does it look fine on the ipod? 01:19 < kantlivelong> its not built for desktop 01:19 < kantlivelong> looks right on my ipod 01:19 < kantlivelong> 4g 01:20 < ErUs|Linux> might be the sleeps 01:20 < kantlivelong> but the prob is sleep 01:20 < kantlivelong> yeah 01:20 < ErUs|Linux> :O 01:20 < kantlivelong> idk why it would do that 01:20 < kantlivelong> ne other ways to delay the output? 01:20 < ErUs|Linux> loop shorter sleeps 01:20 < ErUs|Linux> make ur own sleep function 01:20 < kantlivelong> figured 01:20 < kantlivelong> :P 01:21 < kantlivelong> sec 01:21 < kantlivelong> gonna do that then 01:21 < ErUs|Linux> while( tempsleep < totaltime ) sleep(1); tempsleep++; type thing? 01:21 < kantlivelong> why sleep? 01:21 < kantlivelong> just have a while loop 01:21 < kantlivelong> :P 01:22 < ErUs|Linux> on different ipods it would last different times 01:22 < ErUs|Linux> :/ 01:22 < ErUs|Linux> on my pc it would be like 1ms but on ipod it would be 1 sec 01:22 < kantlivelong> not by much 01:22 < davidc__> kantlivelong: it would be drasticly different 01:22 < davidc__> ErUs: is right. 01:23 < kantlivelong> from ipod to ipod? 01:23 < davidc__> yeah 01:23 < davidc__> the core speeds are different 01:23 < masquerade> I'd just use usleep 01:23 < davidc__> the memory access speeds [esp cache] is different 01:23 < kantlivelong> ah i thought they were all 75mhz 01:23 < davidc__> and usleep is the way to go 01:23 < davidc__> because it [should] yield time to other processes 01:23 < kantlivelong> ah 01:23 < kantlivelong> ok 01:23 < kantlivelong> usleep it is 01:23 < kantlivelong> its in miliseconds correct? 01:24 < josh_> microseconds 01:24 < kantlivelong> even better.. 01:25 -!- Bicchi [n=Bicchi@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:25 < Bicchi> anyone using gtkpod 01:25 < josh_> `gtkpod 01:25 < iplbot> This is not a forum to ask questions about using Linux with a regular iPod. This is the channel for *iPodLinux*, that is - linux ON an iPod. [from josh_] 01:26 < ErUs> lol 01:26 < Bicchi> why would anyone want to run linux on such a slow device ? 01:26 < josh_> Bicchi: if you don't know the answer to that question, you don't belong here. 01:27 < kantlivelong> bicchi if you come here to bash the project just leave :P 01:27 < Bicchi> i am just asking 01:27 < kantlivelong> well 01:27 < kantlivelong> heres this for an answer 01:27 < kantlivelong> what runs better.. windows or linux 01:27 < Bicchi> tux 01:27 < ErUs> its called russian roulette 01:27 < ErUs> ;) 01:27 < josh_> haha 01:27 < kantlivelong> mmk then :P 01:27 < kantlivelong> answered 01:27 < Capso> None of those are answers. 01:28 < Capso> Bicchi: You're an idiot. Leave. 01:28 < ErUs> thats mean 01:28 < Capso> Oh well. 01:28 < josh_> ErUs: Capso tends to be blunt. 01:28 < kantlivelong> its justified 01:28 < masquerade> ErUs, the truth hurts, doesn't it? 01:28 < ErUs> yeh :( 01:28 < ErUs> like ive been kicked in the gut 01:28 < Capso> All of you can walk your way around it... 01:28 < Capso> With your silly metaphors and jokes... 01:28 < kantlivelong> does linux use the 26mb of ram on my 4g? 01:28 < kantlivelong> or is that podzilla 01:29 < Capso> Why not just give 'em what they need, eh? 01:29 < kantlivelong> anyways 01:29 < kantlivelong> http://kantlivelong.com/blackjack/ <- RC2 01:30 < ErUs|Linux> does quake 3 build on linux? 01:30 < kantlivelong> yes 01:30 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-18bfd62b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:30 < ErUs|Linux> bah, i cant play it anyway because the drivewrs for my geforce dont work and this crappy card has no ogl 01:30 < kantlivelong> hah 01:31 < ErUs|Linux> stick to games on windows :) (with my radion 9800 pro!) 01:31 < kantlivelong> i love the fact that my core temp is at 25C 01:31 < kantlivelong> i use the 9800 aiw 01:31 < kantlivelong> :P 01:32 < kantlivelong> im addicted to the aiw cards 01:32 < kantlivelong> check out rc2 plz :P 01:32 < ErUs|Linux> thats slower... coz.. it has todo tv stuff and stuff... 01:32 < ErUs|Linux> lol ok 01:32 < kantlivelong> its not slower 01:32 < kantlivelong> same speed 01:32 < kantlivelong> more features 01:32 < kantlivelong> in no way is it slower 01:34 < kantlivelong> i have an idea for the music menu 01:34 < kantlivelong> ne1 ever use a creative zen xtra? 01:35 < ErUs|Linux> omg ai bugz 01:35 < kantlivelong> ?? 01:35 < kantlivelong> there are no ai bugs 01:36 < ErUs|Linux> i had more stick'ed with 20 and the dealer got to 19 and sticked... ? why didnt he try hyer seeing as i was gonna win and he should have know 01:36 < kantlivelong> in blackjack each player can only see the 2nd card that was dealed to the other player 01:36 < kantlivelong> so if u got a Q A 01:36 < kantlivelong> he can only see that A 01:36 < kantlivelong> even when u hit 01:37 < kantlivelong> so there is no ai bug 01:37 < ErUs|Linux> ok 01:37 < ErUs|Linux> my mistake 01:37 < kantlivelong> np 01:37 < kantlivelong> :P 01:37 < ErUs|Linux> :) 01:37 < kantlivelong> is it workin on desktop now 01:37 < kantlivelong> ? 01:38 < ErUs|Linux> yep i think 01:38 < kantlivelong> hooray 01:38 < ErUs|Linux> lemme try and lose again 01:38 < ErUs|Linux> problem is im so damn good i find it hard to lose 01:38 < kantlivelong> lol 01:38 < ErUs|Linux> OMG its acully true 01:39 < kantlivelong> ? 01:39 < ErUs|Linux> well i lost... 01:39 < ErUs|Linux> and i couldent see and gameover style text ( i could see half a screen :/ ) 01:39 -!- Bicchi [n=Bicchi@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 01:40 < kantlivelong> half a screen? 01:40 < ErUs|Linux> hmm 01:40 < ErUs|Linux> half wwas white half had last frames text 01:41 < kantlivelong> weird 01:41 < kantlivelong> eh well its built for ipod 01:41 < ErUs|Linux> indd 01:41 < kantlivelong> try putting into ur podzilla 01:41 < ErUs|Linux> huh 01:41 < ErUs|Linux> i have to? 01:42 < kantlivelong> try it on ur pod 01:42 < kantlivelong> or ill upload my lipod with it 01:42 < kantlivelong> want that 01:42 < kantlivelong> ? 01:42 < ErUs|Linux> i havnt got one rite now. my m8 wanted his 4g back 01:42 < kantlivelong> hah 01:44 < ErUs|Linux> i will get it back soon no doubt. and my ipod video is on its way so if ipodlinux gets ported onto it :) 01:44 < kantlivelong> is it a good time to post in forums or no? 01:45 < ErUs|Linux> id say yes :D 01:45 < kantlivelong> well i mean with the fixin of them and such 01:45 < ErUs|Linux> u can always post again idf the forum gets reverted 01:45 < kantlivelong> guess s 01:45 < kantlivelong> o 01:45 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has quit [] 01:46 -!- BamaWOLF [n=poop@12-214-189-55.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:47 < kantlivelong> when i release new version 01:47 * ErUs|Linux shakes his fist and shouts, "damn you apple! hurry with my parcel!" 01:47 < kantlivelong> am i allowed to edit my first post of the topic and topic name 01:47 < kantlivelong> at anytime 01:47 < ErUs|Linux> ye 01:47 < kantlivelong> kk 01:47 < josh_> kantlivelong: you can edit the first post, but not the name, AFAIK 01:47 < kantlivelong> awe 01:49 < kantlivelong> josh can u test this on ur ipod 01:50 < kantlivelong> before i submit post 01:52 -!- mohavlich [i=greener@HSE-Montreal-ppp335626.sympatico.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 01:54 < kantlivelong> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=23914#23914 02:06 -!- mohavlich [i=greener@HSE-Montreal-ppp335626.sympatico.ca] has quit ["brb! thanks nigti ^_6"] 02:20 -!- cohmapapp [n=cohmapap@c-24-5-2-196.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:22 < ErUs|Linux> woot gonna have tightvnc on my *unix box 02:24 < josh_> ErUs|Linux: wow, I've had it on mine for years 02:24 < ErUs> and im gon be conrollin u bitch! 02:24 < ErUs> josh_ is it your aim to make me unhappy? because if it is you win :( 02:25 < ErUs|Linux> and i bet it isnt tightvnc? 02:25 < josh_> ErUs: haha, j/k 02:26 -!- Mr_Milenko [i=Mr_Milen@dialup-4.158.192.61.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:42 < ErUs|Linux> how do i close a running process in linux? 02:42 < josh_> ErUs|Linux: are you inside the process or not? 02:42 < masquerade> ErUs|Linux, kill -9, killall, ctrl+c, xkill, pkill 02:42 < masquerade> your choice 02:42 < josh_> and are you talking about from C or from the desktop? 02:42 < josh_> oh 02:42 < Mr_Milenko> killall -9 psybnc 02:43 < Mr_Milenko> i had four of em running lastnight on me shell 02:43 < Mr_Milenko> lol 02:44 < ErUs|Linux> how do i view all processes and there id's? plz 02:45 < masquerade> man ps 02:45 < masquerade> there's also the command pidof processname 02:45 < josh_> ps ax 02:46 < frijole> or top if you prefer it live-updating :-p 02:46 < josh_> top q - now THAT's fun! :P 02:46 < josh_> super live updating 02:47 < kantlivelong> tightvnc is godly 02:48 < ErUs|Linux> man 02:48 < ErUs|Linux> cant find it 02:49 < Mr_Milenko> oh and for those who havent heard.. 02:49 < Mr_Milenko> Doom is a decent movie 02:50 -!- ErUs|Linux [n=ErUs@ACC887B5.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:50 < ErUs> damn 02:50 < ErUs> i did pkill 02:51 < ErUs> i hope i didnt lose my downlaod 02:55 -!- ErUs|Linux [n=ErUs@ACC887B5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 02:58 < ErUs> anyone kno9w what ports tight vnc uses 02:58 < ErUs> ? 02:58 < macpod> looks like the new video ipod offers stereo recording at 22 and 44.1 02:58 < masquerade> ErUs, it uses whatever the hell you want it to 02:58 < josh_> ErUs: 5900-5999, depending on your display number 02:59 < ErUs|Linux> ok ty 02:59 < josh_> and 5800-5899 for the web interface 02:59 < ErUs|Linux> i dont even get a gui :( 03:01 < ErUs> wtf 03:01 < ErUs> i turned firewall of and it dont work :( 03:04 < kantlivelong> who would be responsible for adding blackjack to podzilla? 03:05 < josh_> kantlivelong: davidc__ or courtc 03:05 < ErUs|Linux> nothing is ever trivial with linux :( 03:05 < kantlivelong> thought so 03:05 < kantlivelong> ight 03:05 -!- boringlov [n=boringlo@d66-222-240-217.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:05 < kantlivelong> man im waitin on forum replies lol 03:05 < kantlivelong> not many people on em 03:05 < ErUs|Linux> let me get this straight, Xvnc is the server? meaning i can connect to this pc from another? 03:05 < courtc> probably me. I seem to be the patch monkey. 03:06 < kantlivelong> courtc: wanna take a look and see if its worthy of podzilla, of course its only RC2 now.. 03:06 < courtc> Is it stable? 03:07 < boringlov> im wondering if someone can give me some help - PM me please 03:07 < kantlivelong> yes 03:07 < kantlivelong> from what tests i have done on my 4g 03:07 < josh_> boringlov: you can ask in here 03:07 < boringlov> Alright, well - I went to uninstall ipodlinux from my ipod - using the windows installer 03:07 < boringlov> and it never asked me to restore the back up - instead it went through the installating procedure again 03:08 < courtc> kantlivelong: work on it until you are satisfied with it, then send it to patches@ ~[patches] 03:08 < boringlov> now it just reboots over and over again after the apple icon 03:08 < boringlov> podzilla won't actually boot 03:08 < kantlivelong> patches@ ~[patches] ?? 03:08 < boringlov> I just get an attempt at startup 03:08 < josh_> `patches is patches at ipodlinux dot org 03:08 < kantlivelong> oh ok lol 03:09 < davidc__> whats this about patches? 03:09 < davidc__> make sure its good and done 03:09 < davidc__> and the code is well commented and clean 03:09 < kantlivelong> yeah :P 03:09 < davidc__> we're looking for high quality code 03:09 < kantlivelong> honestly its my first C project 03:09 < boringlov> does anyone have any ideas? or can help me? 03:09 < kantlivelong> but it seems clean 03:09 < davidc__> boringlov: disk mode - restore -retry 03:09 < davidc__> kantlivelong: add to pastebin 03:09 < courtc> `patches is ~[literal patches] Also check out http://ipodlinux.org/Patches 03:10 < boringlov> disk mode how? 03:10 < iplbot> patches at ipodlinux dot org 03:10 < kantlivelong> it could prolly use a bit more optimization 03:10 < boringlov> nevermind - i'll google 03:10 < boringlov> sorry for that 03:10 < davidc__> `diskmode 03:10 < davidc__> err.. `diskmode 03:10 < ErUs|Linux> someone tell me how to make tightvnc work on linux plz ? 03:10 < ErUs|Linux> i built it 03:10 < ErUs|Linux> fine 03:10 < davidc__> anyhow kantlivelong put the code in a pastebin 03:11 < davidc__> ErUs: #tightvnc 03:11 < davidc__> we've never used it 03:11 < boringlov> hmmm - instead of going into diskmode it boots into linux 03:11 < boringlov> but doesn't actually boot 03:11 < boringlov> just attempts 03:11 < kantlivelong> ive used tightvnc 03:11 < davidc__> boringlov - reboot first 03:11 < davidc__> then hold down as soon as it goes to the apple 03:11 < kantlivelong> have u got it running? 03:11 < boringlov> did 03:11 < davidc__> so as soon as you reboot 03:11 < kantlivelong> join #tightvnc 03:11 < boringlov> hold left and right 03:11 < davidc__> which model ipod? 03:12 < boringlov> sorry to say, but 4g (i know, naughty) 03:12 < davidc__> wrong disk mode 03:12 < davidc__> read: http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations 03:12 < davidc__> its different for different generations 03:12 < boringlov> thanks for being understanding 03:12 < davidc__> nah, its too much effort to rant at you 03:12 < davidc__> easier just to solve your problem and have you go away. 03:12 < boringlov> god knows I've been beating myself up enough 03:12 < davidc__> besides, I'm too tired to rant 03:13 < boringlov> appreciated 03:13 < davidc__> we've never seen a bricked one 03:13 < davidc__> that we can blame on ipl 03:13 < davidc__> we've seen lots of head crashes and stuff thats not our fault 03:13 < davidc__> but never seen a purely ipl caused brick 03:13 < davidc__> even a 4g. 03:13 < boringlov> Yea, I didn't think so 03:13 < davidc__> so basically, follow the disk mode instructions on that page. 03:13 < boringlov> it was running brilliantly but I didn't use it enough 03:14 < davidc__> then once you get into disk mode 03:14 < davidc__> either fix by hand 03:14 < davidc__> or use the apple restore tool 03:14 < davidc__> apple restore is an easy fix 03:14 < davidc__> but you lose your music on it 03:14 < boringlov> thanks - it's in diskmode now 03:14 < davidc__> so needs to be re-dl'ed 03:14 -!- NoESC [n=NoESC@adsl-19-244-45.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 03:14 < boringlov> Do you have a paypal account? 03:14 < davidc__> yes, why do you ask? 03:15 < davidc__> for the project? 03:15 < davidc__> or me personally? 03:15 < boringlov> either yours or the projects - whichever you'd prefer 03:15 < davidc__> you don't need to pay me to help you. 03:15 < boringlov> you've helped me immensely - I'd like to give a small token 03:15 < davidc__> your undying worship will do ;) 03:15 < boringlov> Well, you most certainly have that. 03:15 < davidc__> haha.. don't worry bout it 03:15 < ErUs|Linux> give to the project 03:16 < ErUs|Linux> ^^ 03:16 < davidc__> well, if you insist, give it to the project.. it'll be spent on new ipods... but honestly, we don't need to be bribed for support 03:16 < davidc__> its quite ok just to "save your money" 03:17 < courtc> `donations 03:17 < iplbot> The best way to show your appreciation for the project is to make a donation. Funds are used to purchase newer iPods for the development team to port linux onto. You can make a donation at http://www.ipodlinux.org/Donations [from courtc] 03:17 -!- Mr_Milenko [i=Mr_Milen@dialup-4.158.192.61.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:17 < davidc__> on the other hand, courtc will do anything for a buck. 03:17 < boringlov> Well, now, feeling sort of silly, I have a smaller question - IPod Updater is giving me "iPod Service Error" 03:17 < davidc__> ah 03:17 < courtc> just about. 03:17 < davidc__> reinstall itunes. 03:18 < davidc__> that means that the ipodService isn't starting 03:18 < davidc__> it seems to happen to windows people sometimes 03:18 < boringlov> could it possibly be the altered sysinfo? or is it for sure itunes? 03:18 < davidc__> 99% sure itunes 03:18 < davidc__> but fix or delete sysinfo first 03:18 < boringlov> Alright, I will try that. Thank you. 03:18 < davidc__> I don't use windows 03:18 < boringlov> deleting sysinfo works? 03:18 < davidc__> dunno 03:18 < boringlov> to restore it? 03:18 < davidc__> it might ;) 03:18 < boringlov> heh 03:18 < davidc__> well, you can restore no matter what 03:18 < davidc__> just update is iffy. 03:19 < boringlov> alright 03:19 < davidc__> you could also see if ipodService is running in the service manager 03:19 < davidc__> and if not, start it 03:20 < davidc__> just a test: `test 03:20 < davidc__> `test 03:20 < josh_> `ping 03:20 < iplbot> PONG [from josh_] 03:20 < josh_> try that 03:20 < davidc__> `ping 03:20 < iplbot> PONG [from davidc__] 03:20 < davidc__> there we go 03:21 < davidc__> I figured it would just complain about test 03:21 < josh_> davidc__: you made me make it say nothing unless it has something beneficial to say :P 03:21 < davidc__> oh yeah, thats right 03:21 < davidc__> I get you every which way don't I? 03:21 < josh_> haha 03:22 -!- meatmanek [n=meatmane@cpe-65-26-182-222.indy.res.rr.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:22 < davidc__> its like in star wars4 "Their kind is not welcome here" 03:22 < davidc__> well, tolerated in this case :P 03:22 < josh_> haha maybe :P 03:23 < Daishi> leaving...g'night 03:23 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-18bfd62b.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:28 -!- ErUs|Linux [n=ErUs@ACC887B5.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:28 -!- ErUs is now known as ErUs|sleep 03:30 < kantlivelong> blackjack.c: In function `dealer_turn': 03:30 < kantlivelong> blackjack.c:384: warning: implicit declaration of function `usleep' 03:30 < kantlivelong> what is this all about 03:31 < josh_> you need to #include 03:31 < kantlivelong> oh? 03:31 < kantlivelong> why is that 03:32 < josh_> because that's where usleep is defined 03:32 < josh_> what did you think was defining it? 03:32 < kantlivelong> why does it work without it then? 03:32 < josh_> because it guesses at the prototype 03:32 < kantlivelong> hmm ok 03:32 < josh_> it guesses: int usleep (...); 03:32 < kantlivelong> ah 03:32 < kantlivelong> ok :P 03:32 < josh_> but since that can be wrong sometimes, it warns you. 03:33 < kantlivelong> yep compiles nice now 03:33 -!- Kurcz [n=jeff@d57-22-70.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:41 < Capso> It's the fundamentals of C Programming. 03:42 < kantlivelong> :P im not familiar with all the header files yet 03:42 < davidc__> headers are basically a declaration 03:42 < davidc__> of things that ren't in your program 03:43 < kantlivelong> mmk 03:43 < davidc__> so basically things you'll link in later 03:43 < kantlivelong> yeah 03:44 < davidc__> so headers are basically for defining constants with #define 03:44 < kantlivelong> i understand all that 03:44 < kantlivelong> i just gotta remember what header is for what group of methods 03:44 < kantlivelong> and such 03:44 < davidc__> and declaraing that certain variables / functions / etc exist. 03:44 -!- javyx is now known as XGuest35199 03:45 < kantlivelong> has anyone ever used a creative zen xtra? 03:47 < Capso> Life in this day is like Windows -- instinctively misguided, bloated, and far too corrupt. 03:48 < kantlivelong> think of that urself? 03:48 < Capso> Indeed. 03:48 < kantlivelong> mind if i quote that on a forums? 03:49 < Capso> Heh. Not at all. 03:49 < Capso> It's how quotes start, you know. 03:49 < kantlivelong> just reference it to capso or anything else? 03:50 < Capso> "Creator" is what I go by outside of IRC (yet, in the confines of the Computer world). 03:50 -!- Mr_Milenko [i=Mr_Milen@dialup-4.159.101.170.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:50 < Capso> But Capso's alright. 03:51 < kantlivelong> "Life in this day is like Windows -- Instinctively misguided, bloated, and far too corrupt." Capso@IpodLinux 03:51 < Capso> Hah. Alright. 03:51 < kantlivelong> :D 03:52 < kantlivelong> kde 3.5 looks good 03:52 < Mr_Milenko> i played on an xbox 360 today 03:58 < Capso> Kantlivelong: Which forums, by the way? iPL? 04:02 -!- joshk [i=11015@apocalypse.OCF.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:09 -!- lucaas [n=LMX@h62n6c1o1124.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:12 -!- cdm [n=cdm@adsl-69-109-228-101.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:12 < cdm> evening 04:12 < josh_> evening cdm 04:23 < kantlivelong> capso: no, techimo 04:24 < davidc__> evenin cdm 04:27 < kantlivelong> my god its cold in here 04:27 < kantlivelong> my core temp is now 24C 04:27 < kantlivelong> lol 04:27 < josh_> 59 people (molecules?) in the room, very little talking (movement?) - yep, low temperature :P 04:27 < kantlivelong> haha 04:28 < cdm> :) 04:28 < kantlivelong> surprised my comps not headin muh room 04:28 < kantlivelong> usually i dont need the heater on 04:41 < davidc__> yeah, same here.. 04:41 < davidc__> one server really kicks out the heat 04:41 < davidc__> but not feelin it today 04:41 < davidc__> [600W ps + 9 hd's :D) 04:42 < kantlivelong> 480w 04:42 < kantlivelong> 2hdds 04:42 < kantlivelong> full blown water cooling sys 04:42 < kantlivelong> etc 04:42 < kantlivelong> afk 04:42 < davidc__> nah 04:42 < davidc__> I've given up on noise 04:42 < davidc__> I just put in big fans 04:42 < davidc__> and it runs cool 04:43 < davidc__> the power supply I worry about a bit though 04:43 < davidc__> as the hd's take a while to spinup 04:43 < davidc__> so I just keep em from spinning down 05:24 -!- Fenix-Dark [n=scott@ool-4353af2a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:31 -!- masquerade [n=masquera@pcp009136pcs.dover01.de.comcast.net] has quit ["new xchat build from CVS, be back in a second"] 05:31 -!- masquerade [n=masquera@pcp009136pcs.dover01.de.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:50 -!- aegray_ [n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ipodlinux 06:02 -!- JonasNZ [i=jbergler@unaffiliated/jonasnz] has joined #ipodlinux 07:17 -!- boringlov [n=boringlo@d66-222-240-217.abhsia.telus.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 07:45 -!- SereR0KR [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcdb8.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 08:20 -!- SereR0KR [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcdb8.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:31 -!- SereR0KR [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcdb8.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 08:32 -!- SereR0KR is now known as SereQU4KR 08:49 -!- Mr_Milenko [i=Mr_Milen@dialup-4.159.101.170.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has quit ["Are you going to hell or heaven? 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11:43 < ancher> Guns-N-Roses: What I see, is that leachbj is the hardcore hardware guy - most others just join here for fun or developing the applications 11:45 < ferrix> and knowing one arm board doesn't mean you know the current situation with all of them 11:46 < Guns-N-Roses> oka 11:46 < ferrix> you should google for the smaller details of the board. the processor will be ok with a 99% chance 11:46 < Guns-N-Roses> i'll try to work on the board more and see if i can make it work 11:46 < Guns-N-Roses> i'll let ya know if it works 11:47 < Guns-N-Roses> thanx 11:47 < ferrix> np 11:47 < Guns-N-Roses> for the support :) 11:47 -!- Guns-N-Roses [i=Archanto@221.134.231.19] has left #ipodlinux [] 12:10 -!- JoyFM [i=JoyFM@dslc-213-023-144-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:23 -!- Raim [i=Raim@p5493E4BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:32 -!- aboeglin [n=alex@dslb-084-056-014-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:32 -!- Bi-noix [i=Bi-noix@81.56.159.111] has joined #ipodlinux 12:36 -!- aboeglin [n=alex@dslb-084-056-014-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:39 -!- Prot [i=lambency@ip70-162-8-149.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:46 -!- TeKKeN- [i=TeKKeN@93.Red-217-126-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit ["http://escripting.com.ar"] 12:46 -!- yonil [n=naeron6@bzq-218-162-85.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:53 -!- lurkapup [n=nowhere@60-234-142-156.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 13:04 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:07 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 13:20 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has joined #ipodlinux 13:34 -!- warter [n=warter@p549AB374.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #iPodLinux 13:47 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:49 -!- JoyFM [i=JoyFM@dslc-213-023-144-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["13:21:16 !Admiral jo cool... also dat geht schonma.. dat problem is jetz nur rauszufinden wieso et nich geht"] 13:55 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 13:58 -!- Vaffanculo [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has joined #ipodlinux 13:58 -!- Vanquisher [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:58 -!- Vaffanculo is now known as Vanquisher 13:58 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:59 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux --- Log closed Sat Oct 22 14:03:31 2005 --- Log opened Sat Oct 22 14:03:34 2005 14:06 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [] 14:06 -!- Z_Man [n=zachary@cpe-24-209-92-36.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 14:10 < ErUs|sleep> ... 14:10 -!- ErUs|sleep is now known as ErUs 14:13 -!- Bi-noix [i=Bi-noix@81.56.159.111] has quit ["brb"] 14:13 -!- Bi-noix [i=Bi-noix@81.56.159.111] has joined #ipodlinux 14:14 -!- Daishi [n=daishi@ool-18bfd62b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:14 -!- Jack_MD [n=Jack_MD@p54889F2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ipodlinux 14:17 -!- Kurcz [n=jeff@d57-22-70.home.cgocable.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:26 -!- lurkapup [n=nowhere@60-234-142-156.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:27 -!- SereR0KR [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcdb8.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 14:29 < ErUs> yey vnc on my linux pc 14:33 -!- ErUs|Linux [n=ErUs@ACC887B5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 14:41 < kantlivelong> so tired 14:42 -!- Bi-noix [i=Bi-noix@81.56.159.111] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:50 -!- Bi-noix [i=Bi-noix@81.56.159.111] has joined #ipodlinux 14:56 < davidc__> quiet in here. 14:57 < davidc__> \that means I need to RAISE HELL. 15:02 < ErUs> gogogo 15:02 < jedix> raise a little hell.. 15:02 < ErUs> what timezones u guys in? 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search the forums for "most useless port ever" 19:45 < josh_> someone's already done it 19:45 -!- Bicchi [n=Bicchi@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:46 < ErUs> i need the algorithm. not the program 19:46 < josh_> why? 19:46 < ErUs> to learn 19:46 < josh_> does this have anything to do with iPL? 19:47 < ErUs> no 19:48 < ErUs> brb 19:48 < josh_> then don't ask about it in her 19:52 < nimmer> how is tkk going? 19:52 < josh_> nimmer: it's ttk, and it's done 19:53 < josh_> but not yet released 19:53 < nimmer> =) sweeet 19:53 < josh_> (a few lines ago) *in here 19:53 < nimmer> will it when site is uptodate again? 19:53 < josh_> nimmer: maybe 19:56 < ancher> tkk? 19:56 < nimmer> hopefully the nano and video are supported soon *dreaming*, would be much more fun to make a menu interface for it. but is the "chipsets speaks to display" such a big iusse? 19:57 < josh_> ancher: (a) it's ttk (b) it's a GUI library for the iPod 19:57 < josh_> nimmer: nano soon = remotely. video soon = no. 19:57 < josh_> and yes, chipset speaks to display really is a big issue. 19:57 < nimmer> ;..-( 19:57 < nimmer> just got one 19:58 * ancher looks forward to the color v2 - I've heard it's got almost the same display as the nano 20:02 -!- SereR0KR [n=NNSCRIPT@Fcdb8.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:08 -!- Blipus [n=raoul@cpe-65-27-235-142.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:11 -!- Blipus [n=raoul@cpe-65-27-235-142.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 20:14 < courtc> So a smaller screen than the color? 20:15 < josh_> haha 20:15 < nimmer> damn i need a camcorder without auto focus argh 20:17 < kantlivelong> sup yall 20:24 < ErUs> yo 20:24 < ErUs> kantlivelong i got kde working though vnc :) i just typed kde :p 20:29 < nimmer> i hate my cam =( http://www.confidence-mag.de/_data/ipl.mov 20:29 < nimmer> so stupid that you cant disaple auto focus *aaaargh* 20:35 < kantlivelong> hah 20:35 < kantlivelong> coo 20:36 < kantlivelong> i feel like putting linux on another box 20:36 < kantlivelong> are there ne drivers for creative :| 20:36 < Blipus> ls 20:36 -!- Blipus [n=raoul@cpe-65-27-235-142.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:41 -!- masquerade [n=masquera@pcp009136pcs.dover01.de.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:48 -!- warter [n=warter@p549AB374.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"] 21:03 -!- zsr [i=zsr@c-24-23-93-133.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:04 -!- dreadhead [n=noone@cpc4-cwma2-5-0-cust90.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:29 -!- JoyFM [i=JoyFM@dslc-213-023-157-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:41 -!- JonasNZ [i=jbergler@219-88-56-202.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 21:54 -!- Raim [i=Raim@p5493E4BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:00 -!- Raim [i=Raim@p5493E4BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:06 -!- Thorpiedo [n=Jonathan@CPE-144-136-121-134.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 22:07 < Thorpiedo> leachbj, any further progress with support for the new LCD (color)? 22:08 -!- Vanquisher1 [n=Van@unaffiliated/vanquisher] has joined #ipodlinux 22:09 < ancher> Thorpiedo: It won't help asking 22:10 < Vanquisher1> anyone here on gentoo linux with a mac formatted ipod 22:10 < Thorpiedo> ancher, I'm interested in helping out. If I don't know what's already been achieved, that won't be possible 22:11 < ancher> Thorpiedo: I've heard that there's picture on /some/ of the screen on the nano, and the nano and the iPod with color almost have the same screen - so there's hope. 22:11 < Vanquisher1> i saw the new video 22:11 < Vanquisher1> today 22:11 < kantlivelong> cold 22:11 < Vanquisher1> its quite nice actually 22:12 < Vanquisher1> im thinkin of ditching my photo and grabbing one 22:12 < Thorpiedo> I'm aware of that and I've been trying a binary that leachbj provided me with (it's a start). I was hoping to get some code and information about what leachbj has already done. 22:12 < ancher> Thorpiedo: ok - nice 22:13 -!- F-F_^hmf^ [i=FF_hmf@ipv6.have-more-fun.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:14 < ancher> Thorpiedo: Were u able to boot anything? 22:15 < Thorpiedo> It boots, but doesn't display much. The backlight on the display becomes active and a scrambled image in the centre of the screen appears. 22:15 < Thorpiedo> The last I heard, there were issues with attempting to write data to an area that was higher than it was wide (or something to that effect). 22:15 < ancher> Ok .. .that's more than before... I've got fading to white and nothing more 22:17 -!- F-F_^hmf^ [i=FF_hmf@2001:1638:18ff:5:242:242:242:242] has joined #ipodlinux 22:19 < Thorpiedo> If I had a clear understanding of what leachbj has done already and get some code, I might be able to get it working 22:23 < ancher> got som reverse engineered info about the screens chip? 22:27 < Thorpiedo> I've disassembled the firmware for my color through IDA and have been looking through it. Disassembled ARM isn't as easy as other architectures I've worked with, but I see a few possibilities - leachbj's code might be a help. 22:30 -!- Kellen [i=PPS_User@c-24-118-227-64.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:31 < Kellen> dang ipod minis are unsupported? 22:32 < Kellen> ?????? 22:33 < josh_> Kellen: they might work, we just don't have to help you if they don't 22:33 < Kellen> mmmm ok 22:33 < ancher> Thorpiedo: I've heard it like 6502 code ... 22:33 < Kellen> 6502 code??? 22:34 < ancher> Kellen: the MOS6502 chip 22:34 < courtc> It's like ARM asm. similar to 68000, but most like itself. ;) 22:34 < Kellen> o do you need it to put linux on? 22:35 < courtc> Kellen: your conversation isn't the only one in here. 22:35 < ancher> courtc: Ok ... havn't done 68k 22:35 -!- Kellen [i=PPS_User@c-24-118-227-64.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["PPSociety forever!"] 22:36 < courtc> aww. I think I hurt his feelings, poor guy. 22:37 < Capso> They say, easy come... easy go. 22:39 < kantlivelong> hah 22:39 < ErUs> courtc, is your mother proud of you? :P 22:40 < courtc> ErUs: Are you not retarded? 22:41 < ErUs> no? i dont know :( 22:41 < ErUs> you win this time... 22:41 < courtc> yay! 22:44 -!- Thorpiedo [n=Jonathan@CPE-144-136-121-134.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:44 < ancher> LOL 22:45 -!- r3v3ng4ns [i=501@200-100-245-90.dial-up.telesp.net.br] has joined #ipodlinux 22:45 -!- Vanquisher1 is now known as Vanquisher 22:47 < r3v3ng4ns> hi ppl 22:47 < ancher> greetz 22:48 < ErUs> lo 22:52 < Capso> Joshk: Yo. 22:53 -!- TMD-Charmingb [n=leo@pool-71-102-175-55.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:53 < Capso> God my back is broke. 22:53 < Capso> Shit... where's the phone. 22:58 < ancher> (?) 22:58 < Capso> I have a severly bucked back and I can't find the phone. Is it difficult to comprehend? 23:01 -!- TMD-Charmingb [n=leo@pool-71-102-175-55.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["TMD Recruit Pack v3.7 - www.tmdmoviez.com"] 23:01 < davidc__> If you broke your back, you'd be lying on the floor paralyzed 23:02 < Capso> Then I guess I'm alright, huh. 23:02 < davidc__> yeah. broken bones really hurt 23:02 < davidc__> you wouldn't be talking on irc with a broken back 23:09 < Capso> Ah well. 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