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00:00 < johnny999> courtc, u there?
00:01 < courtc> yes
00:01 < aegray> no
00:01 < Decipha> Hey, I've got two ideas for features of ipl, where should I post them?
00:01 < courtc> err.. no
00:01 < Decipha> Or should I just tell you?
00:01 < aegray> tell
00:01 < aegray> do tell
00:02 < johnny999> yer funny. I have been messing with that mpd problem I was having Sunday. My Ipod still won't parse the ituneslib into mpd? I am stumped
00:02 < Decipha> I have a car charger, tape kit for my ipod, and when I use it (in apple mode), if I turn off the car it pauses it, which is a good thing. But when I turn the car back on it doesn't resume playing.
00:02 < courtc> johnny999, wait for a new userland release.
00:02 < aegray> lol
00:02 < Decipha> I think there should be a setting that will do so. It could be done by checking for power.
00:03 < johnny999> ok.
00:03 < aegray> add it
00:04 < Decipha> The other one is, also with apple os, occasionally my GF or myself want to hear a specific song, but it would be good if you could set it so that after the song plays, it would go straight back to shuffle songs
00:04 < Decipha> I would if I could gray, I still gotta get time to learn C before I can though :(
00:05 < courtc> so you try to get other people to do your bidding for you?
00:05 < aegray> lol
00:05 * aegray does bidding
00:05 < aegray> 500$
00:05 < aegray> do i hear 6?
00:05 < Decipha> $6... done!
00:05 < aegray> sold to the lucky man in the pants
00:06 < courtc> haha
00:06 < courtc> hopefully he is wearing pants
00:06 * aegray not wearing pants
00:06 < Decipha> I just have ideas.. no point wasting them because I can't make them a reality yet
00:07 < courtc> yea, the world of open source is full of ideas, just lacking in people to write them (or even care about them)
00:07 < aegray> like bill gates said!
00:08 < courtc> for example, I don't care about your ideas so I won't write them.
00:08 < Decipha> Once I start uni I should have alot more spare time.... plus I will studying programming... so I should be able to contribute.
00:08 < Decipha> Btw, have any of you guys ever used a program called Enterprise Architect?
00:08 < aegray> whats it for?
00:09 < Decipha> It's a UML 2 modelling tool...
00:10 < aegray> never used uml
00:10 < aegray> haha and i work with j2ee
00:10 < aegray> how sad
00:10 < Decipha> Fair enough, just curios.
00:10 < Decipha> Anyway, I gotta get workin'. Catch you guys later
00:10 < aegray> cool
00:11 < macpod> java sucks..
00:11 < aegray> hey now
00:11 < hyarion> no it dosn't
00:11 < aegray> just because it sucks doesn't mean you have to make fun of it
00:11 < macpod> I stated a fact, but I didn't make fun of it yet... :)
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00:18 < hyarion> courtc, it doesn't work for me with gcc 3.4.3 either :(
00:19 < courtc> :/
00:20 < hyarion> but it isn't the same problems and that good news :)
00:20 < courtc> we all know java really does suck.. but so does c++ and that doesn't stop people from using it.
00:20 < aegray> java is good for enterprise apps
00:20 < aegray> web*
00:20 < aegray> every language has its uses
00:20 < hyarion> and for portability
00:21 < aegray> yes but thats not worth the compromise sometimes
00:21 < courtc> c is good for portability
00:21 < BleuLlama> and good for situations where you need to make a gui-based application that can run on windows, mac, linux, solaris, etc...
00:21 < hyarion> not in a noob perspective
00:21 * aegray heading home - finally
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00:22 < aegray> i don't think anyone really cares about newb perspective - the people who need to worry about portability usually aren't noob's
00:23 * aegray final thought
00:23 < hyarion> there is both mac and windows noobs
00:23 < aegray> what does that have to do with anything?
00:24 < aegray> nm - argue me later - i'm off
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00:24 < hyarion> night folks
00:25 < courtc> g'night
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00:31 < Ph0n33z> greetings boys
00:32 < courtc> howdy men
00:33 < Ph0n33z> how r u court
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00:33 < courtc> I am fine.
00:33 < Ph0n33z> good to hear
00:33 < Ph0n33z> I had a few noob questions after reading the site
00:34 < courtc> ok ....
00:34 < Ph0n33z> are u knowledgeable about this or
00:35 < BleuLlama> i'll try to help if you spell your words out
00:35 < Ph0n33z> hehe
00:35 < Ph0n33z> k
00:35 < courtc> haha, its a distint possibility.
00:35 < courtc> distinct? distant?
00:35 < courtc> dunno
00:35 < Ph0n33z> I was just wondering if there is any known way to use services like yahoo! music or rhapsody subscription with an ipod. I was thinking that maybe with ipodlinux, u could run diff drms
00:36 < Prot> 1. IPOZ R 4 PLAY MUZIK
00:36 < Ph0n33z> thus my questions fits in
00:36 < Ph0n33z> *question
00:37 < courtc> no known way as of yet.
00:37 < Ph0n33z> damn........I thought so
00:37 < Ph0n33z> i know there are some "appz" that crack the drm.......but was wondering if there was another more legal method
00:38 < Ph0n33z> basically, I need to listen to a lot of soundtracks for research
00:38 < Ph0n33z> movie soundtracks
00:38 < Ph0n33z> so I dont want to buy them all
00:38 < Prot> refer to the faq I just posted
00:38 < Ph0n33z> nor steal them all
00:38 < Prot> wait
00:38 < BleuLlama> research?
00:38 < Prot> you want them, but you don't want to buy or steel them
00:38 < Ph0n33z> no no
00:38 < BleuLlama> what does that leave?
00:38 < Ph0n33z> buy the whole cds
00:38 < Ph0n33z> individual songs
00:38 < Ph0n33z> it leaves yahoo
00:38 < Ph0n33z> and rhapsody
00:38 < BleuLlama> how about itunes
00:39 < Ph0n33z> I would have to buy each song
00:39 < BleuLlama> you could always just listen to them on your computer
00:39 < Ph0n33z> costing me tons
00:39 < Prot> I'm going to the car dealership, I will bring back a car, but I don't plan to buy one. I also don't plan to steal any cars. I hope it works out.
00:39 < Ph0n33z> yea that was the thing
00:39 < Ph0n33z> but I need to be by my piano
00:39 < BleuLlama> well, you know what? deal. buy the music
00:39 < Ph0n33z> wow
00:39 < Ph0n33z> fun crowd tonight
00:39 < Prot> its the heat
00:39 < Ph0n33z> basically my only complaint is that apple is ridiculous for not offering a subscription service for the ipod
00:40 < Ph0n33z> or not allowing yahoo/rhapsody too
00:40 < courtc> apple is not ridiculous, they are competitive.
00:40 < Ph0n33z> cause I onyl need this music for a few months......and I dont want to spend $200 for that u know
00:40 < Ph0n33z> no
00:40 < Ph0n33z> think about what u just said
00:40 < Prot> doesnt apple offer a ridiculous amout of subscription services through itunes?
00:40 < BleuLlama> apple is a for-profit company. it happens
00:40 < Ph0n33z> and yahoo rhapsody are nto
00:41 < Ph0n33z> I see apple doing no compeitiotn
00:41 < Ph0n33z> where is their service
00:41 < Ph0n33z> thats competition
00:41 < Prot> itunes?
00:41 < Ph0n33z> SUBSCRIPTION
00:41 < BleuLlama> STFU
00:41 < Ph0n33z> they dont compete at ALL
00:41 < Prot> you saying itunes provides no subscriptions in all their various services?
00:41 < Ph0n33z> wow nice argument bleu
00:41 < Ph0n33z> no
00:41 < Ph0n33z> I only mean
00:41 < Prot> stfu, standup for u
00:42 < BleuLlama> they're all services to buy music
00:42 < BleuLlama> pay per song, pay per month, whatever
00:42 < Ph0n33z> they havent even tried brining out a similair line for ipod users thats all I am saying
00:42 < Prot> maybe I dont get what a subscription is then
00:42 < BleuLlama> they are competing with eachother
00:42 < Ph0n33z> oh ok
00:42 < Ph0n33z> basically
00:42 < Ph0n33z> its like
00:42 < Ph0n33z> netflix
00:42 < Prot> if 'download 30 songs a month' isnt a subscription
00:42 < Ph0n33z> for music
00:42 < Ph0n33z> its like netflix
00:42 < Ph0n33z> but
00:42 < Ph0n33z> diff
00:42 < Ph0n33z> in that
00:43 < Prot> thanks
00:43 < Prot> fore
00:43 < Prot> the
00:43 < Prot> info
00:43 < Ph0n33z> if netflix let u have as many movies as u want at one time
00:43 < BleuLlama> i had an emusic account "unlimited downloads per month", but there really was a cap to the number of downloads
00:43 < Ph0n33z> yahoo has none afaik
00:43 < BleuLlama> please, spell out your words
00:43 < Ph0n33z> basically
00:43 < Ph0n33z> you pay $6 a month to download and have as many songs as u want.......but as soon as u stop paying per month, the music is taken back
00:43 < Prot> you probably wont find much in the way of subscriptions in this opensource homebrew environment
00:43 < Ph0n33z> basically renting music
00:43 < BleuLlama> you*
00:44 < Prot> how could anyone control what music you have on your ipod?
00:44 < BleuLlama> i like to own music, myself
00:44 < Prot> like, all the files delete after a month?
00:44 < Ph0n33z> I do as well
00:44 < Ph0n33z> that was my questions prot lol
00:44 < Ph0n33z> to keep the songs
00:44 < BleuLlama> what is your 'research' for?
00:44 < Ph0n33z> u pay 70 cents
00:44 < Ph0n33z> to burn them
00:44 < Ph0n33z> u have to buy them
00:44 < Ph0n33z> the research
00:44 < Prot> and there are media players that do delete your songs from your portable mp3 player if you don't pay up?
00:44 < BleuLlama> SPELL OUT YOUR WORDS
00:44 < Prot> cause thats confusing
00:44 < Ph0n33z> oh oh
00:45 < Ph0n33z> I am sorry bleu, now I understand what you mean
00:45 < Prot> and scary
00:45 < Ph0n33z> I am co-composing a soundtrack for an independent film. So I need to listen to many different soundtracks to get some inspiration.
00:45 < Prot> then borrow them from piratebay
00:45 < BleuLlama> ah
00:46 < Ph0n33z> So if I used itunes, it would cost me a lot
00:46 < Prot> and send the artist 20 cents
00:46 < Ph0n33z> what is piratebay? I have heard about it.
00:46 < Ph0n33z> oh torrents
00:46 < Prot> its disney's new water park website
00:46 < Ph0n33z> Have to love torrents
00:46 < Ph0n33z> Well that is what I am saying
00:46 < Ph0n33z> Apple really leaves me with two choices: Buy each album/song, or steal it
00:47 < Prot> as soon as you are able to explain to me how someone can let you borrow an mp3 and be able to take it away from you, I'll stop acting so confused
00:47 < Ph0n33z> I only wish they offered a similair thing as all of the other services
00:47 < courtc> apple is still competeing with yahoo and rhapsody BY not allowing subscribers to use their music on the ipod. Apple doesn't have to provide music subscriptions to stay above the other companies in the music industry.
00:47 < BleuLlama> the last film i worked on, our musician just watched the film and spoke with the director to get the feel of the music needed for the scenes.
00:47 < Prot> what kind of movie is it?
00:48 < courtc> Conviently it means apple doen't need to make an effort to provide uses for the services. easy.
00:48 < Ph0n33z> I have yet to see the film bro. Its on a very tight schedule, and I will only have 1 week to come up with the music
00:48 < Ph0n33z> So I want to have some idea before I see it.
00:48 < Prot> thats plenty of time
00:48 < BleuLlama> geez. never take a contract like that. 1 week to score an entire film? are they fucking insane?
00:48 < Ph0n33z> not when this is your first composition! lol
00:48 < Prot> erm, well I suppose maybe if you're slow
00:48 < Prot> first composition? oh well there you go
00:48 < Ph0n33z> indeed
00:49 < Prot> what are you using to compose?
00:49 < Ph0n33z> Well, I have been trying out sibelius, the new version, and it seems pretty sweet.
00:49 < Ph0n33z> Especially with the new video integration
00:49 < Ph0n33z> Do you compose prot?
00:49 < Prot> does it do vsti?
00:49 < Prot> I used to
00:49 < Ph0n33z> What type?
00:49 < Prot> then the community went to shit
00:49 < Prot> video game remixes
00:49 < Ph0n33z> Not sure what vsti is
00:50 < Prot> vsti are instruments you plug into various apps, namely cubase
00:50 < Ph0n33z> oh so you didnt really "write". You were more of a mashup/dj?
00:50 < Prot> its more writing than djying, and I have more originals anyway
00:50 < Ph0n33z> very neat
00:50 < Prot> djing is bullshit
00:51 < Ph0n33z> I am a pianist myself, so classical is mostly what I know. However, I love movie scores and this should be a fun experience.
00:51 < Prot> classical doesn't fit into movie scrores
00:51 < BleuLlama> how much did Cubase cost you?
00:51 < Ph0n33z> If classical didnt exist, you wouldnt have movie score
00:51 < Ph0n33z> a*
00:51 < Prot> it was like 300 or something
00:52 < Prot> I did orchestral a few times, but my samples sucked
00:52 < Ph0n33z> It is really sad to see how many people of the current generation know nothing of classical music/art appreciation
00:52 < Ph0n33z> not saying you bro
00:52 < Ph0n33z> Its just really sad
00:52 < Ph0n33z> It is the greatest music ever written
00:52 < Prot> news flash, there was never a time when 'many people' were ever into classical music
00:52 < Ph0n33z> your kidding right?
00:52 < Prot> enlighten me
00:53 < Prot> most people in the 17th centure didn't have ipods as I recall
00:53 < Prot> or even radios,
00:53 < Ph0n33z> That is all there was before the 1800's bro. Everything was orchestra/classical in the US and europe
00:53 < Prot> and?
00:53 < Ph0n33z> thus EVERYONE listened to it
00:53 < Ph0n33z> Prot ) news flash, there was never a time when 'many people'
00:53 < Prot> and less than 1% of the population was able to afford listening to it
00:53 < Ph0n33z> I believe everyone is many
00:53 < Ph0n33z> there were not records bro
00:53 < Prot> less than 1% isnt much to me
00:53 < Ph0n33z> lol
00:53 < Prot> but to each his own
00:53 < Ph0n33z> its called concerts
00:53 < Ph0n33z> recitals
00:53 < Ph0n33z> thats all the had
00:53 < Ph0n33z> they
00:54 < Ph0n33z> so if you are looking at
00:54 < Ph0n33z> the MUSIC audience
00:54 < Ph0n33z> it was 100%
00:54 < Ph0n33z> where as today
00:54 < Ph0n33z> it is probably 1%
00:54 < Prot> of the general population in the 18th century, how many people went to concerts? everyone? or the more realistic <1%
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00:54 < PoThEaD404> how much % of Podzilla work on 20gb ipod photo
00:54 < Prot> it all seems to work for me PoThEaD404
00:55 < Ph0n33z> YOu can not realistically say 1% unless you research
00:55 < BleuLlama> 34.21%
00:55 < Prot> yes I can
00:55 < Ph0n33z> no u cant
00:55 < Ph0n33z> unless you KNOW your history very very well
00:55 < Prot> folk or pop was always the most popular music in any generation because it was available
00:55 < Prot> very few people went to concerts
00:55 < Ph0n33z> bro
00:55 < PoThEaD404> Prot use mic andd save it
00:55 < Prot> most people weren't even aware of classical music
00:55 < Ph0n33z> pop WAS classical
00:55 < PoThEaD404> can u*
00:55 < PoThEaD404> and*
00:55 < Prot> Ph0n33z, pop certainly was not classic
00:55 < Ph0n33z> that is all there was
00:55 < Prot> at the time folk was classic
00:55 < Ph0n33z> so popular music as classical
00:55 < Prot> er, pop was folk sory
00:56 < Ph0n33z> was*
00:56 < Ph0n33z> it has changed
00:56 < Ph0n33z> obviously
00:56 < Ph0n33z> through generations
00:56 < Ph0n33z> I was only debating your point that there was NEVER a time where many people listned
00:56 < Ph0n33z> which is entirely flase
00:56 < Ph0n33z> false
00:56 < Ph0n33z> all of europe did
00:56 < Ph0n33z> thats all there was
00:56 < Prot> so, you're telling me that the majority of the population, I'll have to assume >51%, went to concerts and heard classical music in the 18th century eh?
00:56 < Prot> and they weren't really living in the ditch eating cake
00:56 < Ph0n33z> I cant say the 18th century no
00:57 < Ph0n33z> bro
00:57 < Ph0n33z> think of europe
00:57 < Ph0n33z> the major cities are small
00:57 < Ph0n33z> compact
00:57 < Ph0n33z> tight
00:57 < Ph0n33z> music can be heard for far
00:57 < Ph0n33z> people played
00:57 < Ph0n33z> instruments
00:57 < Ph0n33z> what did they play
00:57 < Ph0n33z> classical
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00:57 < Ph0n33z> all music was classical
00:57 < Prot> so yea, ipods are net
00:57 < Prot> neet
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00:58 < Ph0n33z> wow..........gave up I guess.......tty guys later gl with linux
00:58 < Ph0n33z> WOW.........I am looking for war of the worlds soundtrack, and found a torrent for a dance remix
00:58 < Ph0n33z> lol
00:58 < Ph0n33z> wotw dance remix
00:58 < Ph0n33z> hmmmm lol
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00:59 < Ph0n33z> sad
00:59 < BleuLlama> please take any "stealing music" talk elsewhere
00:59 < Prot> learn some taste, jeff wayne's war of the worlds is popular in europe
00:59 < PoThEaD404> can i use VMware Workstation 4 linux and view linux hd of my ipod
00:59 < BleuLlama> we don't need the project getting any legal attention
00:59 * aegray calls his lawyer
00:59 < Ph0n33z> no no I am not getting any illegal music
00:59 < Ph0n33z> do not worry bro
00:59 < Ph0n33z> I will not mention anything
01:00 < Ph0n33z> *zips speak of music download
01:00 < PoThEaD404> in xp
01:01 < Prot> jeffwayne's wotw was an original album featuring acting and soundeffects recreating the book war of the worlds
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01:01 < Prot> later it was turned into a dance sountrack, a video game, and soon a movie
01:01 < BleuLlama> i need to rent the original movie... hmm..
01:02 < Prot> original movie was based on the book, but strayed far in the details
01:02 < Prot> 3 wotw movies came out this year
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01:03 < Z_Man> wow, some mexican bot came on my IRC server.... hmm.. haha, i killed him
01:03 < Z_Man> IRC network
01:03 < Prot> mexican bot? sounds scary
01:03 < Z_Man> yeah
01:03 < Z_Man> it's nick was Joan
01:03 < aegray> whats your irc network?
01:04 < Z_Man> nerdinet
01:04 < aegray> how do i connect??
01:04 < Z_Man> zachypoo.kicks-ass.net
01:04 < Z_Man> is the host name
01:04 < Prot> are you one of those guys who, when losing a debate, glines everyone?
01:04 < Z_Man> it's very small
01:04 < Z_Man> Prot, no
01:04 < Z_Man> but no bots are allowed
01:05 < aegray> are you fatman?
01:05 < Z_Man> yes
01:05 < aegray> hehe
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01:20 < Surferdude> Erm, Hi. Tried to install iPodlinux on my 4G. Everything went fine untill I tried to boot it. I can see the text coming down the screen, but after that the screen turns blank and it doesnt do anything untill i reset back into Apple's firmware.
01:20 < Surferdude> I know the 4G is unsupported, but i was wondering if anyone knew about this
01:21 < macpod> search the forums
01:21 < Surferdude> Found somthing... thanks :)
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01:37 < Surferdude> Is it just me or is http://www.ipodlinux.org/nightlys/ not working
01:38 < Surferdude> None of the files are working...
01:41 < PoThEaD404> http://www.ipodlinux.org/builds/
01:41 < PoThEaD404> go there
01:48 < corpix> re
01:48 < corpix> hi guys
01:48 < corpix> so, what happened to mpd
01:49 < corpix> anything new ?
01:49 < corpix> since the last days ?
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02:01 < meatmanek> Yes, Surferdude, reading the topic is a Good Thing(tm)....
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02:05 < PoThEaD404> just keep pushing the center button untill it load up
02:05 < Surferdude> one more question...
02:06 < Surferdude> How do I restore from a backup that was made via the setup program
02:06 < PoThEaD404> idk i just use iPod Updater to restore
02:07 < Surferdude> Then whats the point of doing a backup through the installer?
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02:16 < PoThEaD404> i dont do back up
02:16 < PoThEaD404> coz did not work it out
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02:19 < johno> bla
02:20 < courtc> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla? bla bla bla
02:20 < aegray> haha it worked!
02:20 < courtc> did it really?
02:20 < courtc> nice
02:20 < aegray> i didn't get a word of anything
02:20 < aegray> finally
02:21 * aegray happy
02:21 < johno> PRIVMSG #ipodlinux :ACTION tester leaving
02:21 < aegray> weird
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02:21 < courtc> somebody can't read the rfc
02:22 < macpod> huh?
02:23 < aegray> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8093 <-- finding this pretty helpful if anyone is interested
02:23 < PoThEaD404> when will ipod linux work for 4g
02:23 < aegray> whats the url for the 4g countdown?
02:24 < macpod> When you stop touching yourself.
02:24 < aegray> hahahaha
02:24 < courtc> http://www.so2.sys-techs.com/4gcountdown/
02:24 < aegray> haha he's added
02:25 < courtc> 724 days now.
02:25 < aegray> you guys got a while
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02:28 < macpod> Damnit, my analog voltmeter sucks...
02:28 < macpod> If I play line-level audio through the iPod it will not register it as ac/dc
02:29 < macpod> no amperage either.. and to add to that the ohm meter says there is 25 ohms resistance is getting through
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02:30 < aegray> creative...
02:32 < PoThEaD404> what the newst build of vipdzilla
02:32 < courtc> don't know, don't care
02:32 < macpod> It's not supported and saying it here is a sin.
02:33 < PoThEaD404> oh shit
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02:41 < courtc> aegray, how's that piezo thang working out
02:41 < aegray> haven't checked
02:41 < aegray> you pm?
02:41 < courtc> i did
02:41 < aegray> cool!
02:41 < aegray> /ignore *courtc* priv
02:49 < CIA-4> yorgle * tools/podzilla/poddraw.c:
02:49 < CIA-4> Added color.
02:49 < CIA-4> clear screen now clears to the current color.
02:49 < CIA-4> The current draw pixel color is always displayed in the top left.
02:49 < CIA-4> Fixed indenting to be consistant with other modules.
02:49 < BleuLlama> are you ignoring CIA also?
02:49 < aegray> no everyone is unignored now
02:49 < BleuLlama> ah
02:51 < BleuLlama> i know that everyone has been itching for that update
02:51 * BleuLlama thinking about how to save images
02:52 * BleuLlama considers always saving out the image on exit
02:52 < aegray> images?
02:52 < BleuLlama> from pod draw
02:52 < aegray> ah
02:52 < BleuLlama> it'd be dirt simple to add in a PNM saver
02:52 < aegray> vector graphics?
02:52 < courtc> haha
02:53 < BleuLlama> PGM for grayscale images, PPM for color
02:53 < BleuLlama> fuck it.
02:53 * BleuLlama goes to code in a simple PNM saver
03:02 < Capso> Courtc: Hey.
03:02 < courtc> what broke?
03:02 < BleuLlama> is there a nanox function to read the value of a pixel from the screen?
03:02 < courtc> BleuLlama, not in the api
03:03 < Capso> Courtc: Do you still want me to test what you were working on?
03:03 < BleuLlama> augh. how can you have set_pixel() but not get_pixel()
03:03 < courtc> Capso, nah.. it has a few bugs I need to fix.
03:04 < aegray> rewrite the program so it saves when it writes
03:04 < BleuLlama> yeah. think i'm gonna have to do that
03:04 < BleuLlama> or figure out GrReadArea()
03:05 < Capso> Courtc: Whenever you'd like for me to test/check it out, well, you know the eMail. :)
03:05 < Capso> ?WINDOW 3
03:05 < Capso> Fsck.
03:05 < Capso> IRSSI, how thee tortureth me.
03:06 < aegray> ?WINDOW 297
03:06 < aegray> shit
03:06 < courtc> http://www.so2.sys-techs.com/mwin/microwin/nxapi/nxstruct_GR_PIXELVAL.html <-- fun
03:07 < Capso> Heh.
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03:45 < courtc> you guys'll like this one
03:45 < aegray> damn straight!
03:46 < courtc> yo, CIA-4
03:46 < CIA-4> courtc * tools/podzilla/ (mlist.c mlist.h): added sliding transition to static menus
03:46 < aegray> very nice!
03:46 < courtc> :)
03:46 < aegray> nice work man
03:47 < aegray> haha the scrollbar moves - i love it
03:47 < courtc> should it not?
03:48 < aegray> no it looks great
03:48 < aegray> never thought about it
03:48 < aegray> it looks good that way - looks like the whole screen is moving
03:48 < courtc> fear me apple (or hire me!)
03:48 < aegray> hehe
03:48 < aegray> you keep going:
03:48 < aegray> (hire me - please???)
03:49 < CIA-4> yorgle * tools/podzilla/poddraw.c: Automatically saves the image when you return to the menu.
03:49 < aegray> haha cool
03:49 < courtc> dev team busy tonight
03:49 * aegray lazy
03:49 < BleuLlama> granted,i it saves them out as ascii PPM files... which are huge
03:49 < BleuLlama> but it works
03:49 < aegray> cool
03:49 < BleuLlama> they're easily converted into *ANYTHING* else
03:50 < aegray> anyone know what ioremap_nocache does?
03:50 < BleuLlama> dude.
03:50 < BleuLlama> that looks fucking awesome
03:50 < courtc> a small save/discard menu would be sweet.
03:50 < BleuLlama> yeah.
03:51 < aegray> courtc - amazing
03:51 < aegray> and the cutified menu looks great too
03:51 < BleuLlama> cutified?
03:51 * aegray bows to courtc
03:51 < aegray> check the cvs logs
03:51 < courtc> heh, glad you like it.
03:51 < courtc> 20 Jul 17:36 courtc
03:51 < courtc> tools/podzilla/usb.c 1.2
03:51 < courtc> cutesified
03:52 < BleuLlama> where is that?
03:52 < aegray> i love how it clicks into place!
03:52 < courtc> BleuLlama, shows up when you plug in usb
03:53 < BleuLlama> ah.
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03:54 < BleuLlama> whoa.
03:54 < BleuLlama> desktop build, hitting 'q' from a nested menu unravels all of the menus and exits. looks snazzy
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03:56 < courtc> heh
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03:59 < CIA-4> yorgle * tools/podzilla/poddraw.c: Fixed a few typos
03:59 < aegray> and...
03:59 < CIA-4> aegray * tools/podzilla/pz.c: Moved usbinit to startup. Removed usb prompt when usb is in at podzilla start.
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04:01 < courtc> nice
04:01 < courtc> cvs fight!
04:01 < courtc> I'm done
04:01 * aegray commits incomplete usb driver to win!
04:01 * aegray actually - not even started usb driver
04:01 < aegray> hehe
04:02 < BleuLlama> i'm still considering throwing together a simple piezo beeper sequencer
04:02 * courtc commits small mpdc filemagic textinput and i18n
04:02 < aegray> you cant put textinput in!
04:02 < aegray> you said it yourself
04:02 < courtc> ok, true..
04:02 < aegray> and i18n isnt even started is it?
04:02 * aegray cuts down courtc
04:02 < aegray> hahaha
04:02 < courtc> it's done
04:02 < aegray> really?
04:03 < courtc> needs a new compiler
04:03 < aegray> oh the _(
04:03 < courtc> yup...
04:03 < aegray> the cached menus - try changing appearance...erm nm
04:03 < courtc> hmm..
04:04 < aegray> if you press menu after changing the appearance, it shows the old scheme in the slide, then updates
04:04 < aegray> big deal
04:04 < courtc> yea, I can fix it..
04:04 * aegray trying to help courtc win cvs fight
04:05 < aegray> sorry if i'm a dick
04:05 < BleuLlama> does that usb stuff work on 4g?
04:05 < aegray> yea
04:05 < courtc> nono, Its actually not bad..
04:05 < BleuLlama> how?
04:05 < aegray> it just checks the connection
04:05 < aegray> it doesn't have a usb driver yet
04:05 < aegray> and its not a kernel alert yet either
04:05 < BleuLlama> i'm not seeing anything with usb connected or not
04:05 < aegray> usb.c
04:05 < aegray> and pz.c
04:06 < aegray> its in the battery_tid event
04:06 < aegray> it's*
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04:17 < CIA-4> courtc * tools/podzilla/mlist.c: refresh transition if color sheme is changed
04:17 < courtc> sheme?
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04:26 < onglipo> hi; i need some help with install for a photo (fat formatted) from fc3
04:27 < courtc> I need some shiny new shoes.
04:27 < onglipo> the dd command doesnot see my /dev/sda
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04:28 < courtc> doesn't see /dev/sda , or /dev/sda1?
04:28 < aegray> whats the error?
04:28 < onglipo> no media
04:28 < aegray> what does fdisk /dev/sda say?
04:28 < onglipo> /bin/dd: opening `/dev/sdb': No medium found
04:28 < aegray> are you sure thats the device its on?
04:28 < onglipo> my desktop shows IPOD (mounted on /media
04:29 < courtc> please not umod.
04:29 < onglipo> i tried unmounting - still same error
04:29 < aegray> are you sure sdb is the right device?
04:30 < courtc> mount | grep /media
04:30 < onglipo> yup : here's what /proc/scsi/scsi says:
04:30 < aegray> oh so help me...
04:30 < onglipo> Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
04:30 < onglipo> Vendor: Apple Model: iPod Rev: 1.62
04:30 < onglipo> Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
04:31 < courtc> *sigh* is it mountd?
04:31 < aegray> #ipodlinux.sigh - comon now
04:32 < onglipo> no; i umounted it
04:33 < aegray> fdisk /dev/sdb
04:33 < aegray> what does that say?
04:33 < onglipo> Unable to open /dev/sdb
04:34 < aegray> mount it again
04:34 < aegray> you can browse it fine?
04:34 < onglipo> while it was mounted - yes
04:35 < courtc> and it was mounted from /dev/sdb and not /dev/ipod or something equally stupid?
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04:36 < onglipo> /dev/sde2 on /media/IPOD type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,iocharset=utf8,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,user=dp)
04:37 < aegray> ok fdisk /dev/sde
04:37 < onglipo> hmm- thanks guys
04:37 < aegray> good
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04:42 * macpod burns capacitors
04:42 < aegray> fun
04:42 < macpod> I hope I get this stuff straigthened out soon... Hardware gives me headaches
04:43 < macpod> and makes money go out of my pockets..
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04:43 < courtc> play with sliding menus for a few minutes, it'll make you feel better ;)
04:44 < macpod> like in the apple os?
04:44 < aegray> yea!
04:44 < macpod> hmn, I remember reading a review somewhere and that is what IPL was praised for... the lack of that
04:44 < aegray> haha
04:44 < aegray> make it a setting
04:44 < macpod> Guess you can't make everyone happy
04:45 < courtc> but you can! thats what settings are for!
04:46 < macpod> hrm.. I've noticed some interesting coding styles here
04:46 < aegray> where?
04:47 < macpod> There are those who do stuff in the optimal way first, those who do it to get it done, then those who do it the quick way, and then go back and do it the optimal way.
04:47 < courtc> who does wht?
04:47 < aegray> and those of us who do it wrong the first time
04:47 < macpod> There you have it, people categorized in 3 groups
04:47 < aegray> which code are you looking at?
04:48 < macpod> That 4th category does not count for people...
04:48 < macpod> Podzilla and the kernel
04:48 < macpod> *podzilla
04:48 < courtc> who does what?
04:48 < macpod> I'm not saying.
04:48 < courtc> I wanna know!
04:49 < macpod> You'll just have to find out for yourself then :)
04:49 < courtc> which am I?
04:49 < Prot> I'm one of those who do it in the quick way and don't go back
04:49 < aegray> if your talking about the usb thing its going to be removed once i have a driver
04:50 < macpod> No, you are in the 5th category, the leeches
04:50 < aegray> eek
04:50 < macpod> I'm not talking about you ae
04:50 < courtc> @Prot
04:50 < aegray> oh
04:50 < courtc> You won't offend me, I want to know. Which am I?
04:50 < Prot> leach dont create for himself
04:51 < macpod> Although you know what category you fit in ae.. which is actually pretty good. Especially in the business world
04:51 * courtc likes being profiled
04:51 < macpod> http://quizilla.com/users/MIT-Quizzer/quizzes/What%20programming%20language%20are%20you%3F/
04:51 < courtc> I have no clue which is why I am asking.
04:52 < Prot> Looks like that MIT Education of yours really pays for itself
04:52 < macpod> You are the type who gets stuff done in what you beleive is the optimal way but as a consequence it takes longer.
04:53 < Prot> thats gotta suck
04:53 * macpod feels himself shutout by his pseudo peers
04:54 < courtc> haha..
04:54 < courtc> yea, I'm slow as hell
04:54 < aegray> you got todays thing done pretty quick
04:54 < macpod> But how long has he been sitting on them?
04:55 < aegray> just today i think
04:55 < aegray> unless he's been deceiving us...
04:55 < macpod> He is more like a duck. Harmless and sits on eggs of code.
04:55 * aegray eyes courtc
04:55 < aegray> hehe
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04:57 < courtc> haha.. the dialog went: " I'm bored, what should I code?" " sliding menus" " that'd be hard as hell" ... " actually.. maybe not" ... "*courtc codes sliding menus"
04:57 < aegray> that was a good convo
04:58 < courtc> yea, I have a bunch of code sitting around :/
04:58 < courtc> sliding menus wasn't in it.
05:00 < courtc> ls ~/ipodlinux/podzilla+* :: podzilla+about podzilla+color podzilla+fonts podzilla+i18n podzilla+m podzilla+magic podzilla+mpdc podzilla+small podzilla+small2 podzilla+themes podzilla+ti
05:00 < courtc> :/
05:01 < courtc> I get lost in my ipodlinux dir
05:01 < courtc> its like an enchanted forest, never know what you'll happen upon..
05:03 < aegray> hehe: i get lost more:
05:03 < aegray> ls -m -d podzilla+*/
05:03 < aegray> podzilla+2g//, podzilla+2gpowerfix//, podzilla+batFix//, podzilla+batteryMeter//,
05:03 < aegray> podzilla+current//, podzilla+dmatests//, podzilla+fiqrewritevid//,
05:03 < aegray> podzilla+fixItunes//, podzilla+iboy//, podzilla+oneProcAudio//,
05:03 < aegray> podzilla+oneProcBuffer//, podzilla+sleep//, podzilla+tempConv//,
05:03 < aegray> podzilla+textInput//, podzilla+ti3//, podzilla+ti3.2//, podzilla+ti3.3//,
05:03 < aegray> podzilla+ti3.4//, podzilla+usbdetect//, podzilla+videoV2//,
05:03 < aegray> podzilla+videowaudiothread//, podzilla+videoWAudioV1//
05:03 < aegray> whoops
05:03 < aegray> sorry i thought that was one line
05:05 < courtc> geez, learn to consolidate.
05:05 < aegray> i know
05:06 < courtc> you use + too? I thought I was the only one who thought it made more sense.
05:06 < aegray> i copied you when you said that last time
05:06 < courtc> "You're C. Clean and to the point" well f'ing imagine that ;)
05:06 < aegray> hehe
05:08 < courtc> not opinionated at all: http://quizilla.com/cgi-bin/result/list/list.pl :/
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05:09 < Prot> I heard somewhere by someone that self-quizzes are completely worthless
05:09 < courtc> because you can alter your outcome by lying to yourself.
05:10 < Prot> quite
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05:11 < macpod> Woo! sucess.. finally got the damn preamp to work
05:11 < macpod> I still need to boost the power however
05:12 < Prot> cool, keep us updated
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05:24 < courtc> BleuLlama, are you doeing anything with th piezo tonoght?
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05:53 * meatmanek suddenly wants to learn ARM assembly
05:53 < aegray> eek
05:54 < meatmanek> eh, I've messed with x86 asm before
05:54 < courtc> x86 asm != arm asm
05:54 < meatmanek> I know.
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05:55 < meatmanek> my point is that I'm not really afraid of assembly.
05:55 < aegray> try it - its not really that different
05:55 < courtc> you should be
05:55 < aegray> haha
05:56 < meatmanek> I don't learn ASM to program with
05:56 < meatmanek> learning x86 ASM deepened my understanding of C, though.
05:58 < courtc> erm then if you don't plan to use it and you already know how the pipeline works I don't see a reason to learn it.. :/
06:00 < meatmanek> it can't hurt, and I've got plenty of time on my hands.
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06:00 < courtc> it *can* hurt.. asm hurts my brain all the time.
06:01 < courtc> do I ever say 2 serious things in a row?
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06:02 < meatmanek> [00:24:11] BleuLlama, are you doeing anything with th piezo tonoght?
06:02 < meatmanek> [00:54:24] x86 asm != arm asm
06:02 < EvilDude> seems joystiq / engadget presumably too have caught on to the gb emu :)
06:02 < meatmanek> they're a half an hour apart but you said them in a row in this channel
06:02 < courtc> I'm not much of a conversationiser
06:02 < aegray> EvilDude - thats not real - it was made up
06:02 < EvilDude> ah thats alright then :P
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06:03 < EvilDude> how's the gb emu going now?
06:03 < courtc> EvilDude, been watching the cvs ml?
06:03 < EvilDude> yep :)
06:03 < EvilDude> sliding!! :D :D
06:03 < courtc> :)
06:03 < EvilDude> About to try it out in a few seconds actually :) booting up my vmware
06:04 < courtc> don't think it's in anon yet :/
06:04 < EvilDude> ah damn :(
06:04 < EvilDude> can i have a binary please :)
06:04 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/podzilla
06:04 < EvilDude> cool thanks
06:05 < Hostile> whats he gonna try?
06:05 < courtc> that has no mp3, and a piezo toy
06:05 < courtc> menu transition sliding
06:05 < Hostile> oh
06:05 < courtc> (like apple)
06:06 < Hostile> ugh Im trying to get homebrew running on my dreamcast
06:06 < Hostile> no luck.
06:06 < EvilDude> wow smoothness = 100 * apple's smoothness :)
06:06 < meatmanek> hehehehehee
06:06 < meatmanek> http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/program.html
06:06 < aegray> i think i know why
06:07 < aegray> maybe
06:07 < meatmanek> read #6
06:07 < EvilDude> hm I think it needs to be a bit faster courtc
06:07 < courtc> I think apple uses 8 steps I use 16
06:07 < EvilDude> maybe its coz 3g speed = crap =\
06:07 < EvilDude> ah ok
06:07 < courtc> yea, on the 4g it goes rather fast.
06:07 < aegray> and they possibly have the clock speed run down
06:08 < EvilDude> Yeah I blame 3g being 1/2 the 4g
06:08 < courtc> how long does it take?
06:08 < aegray> 12 minutes
06:09 < EvilDude> lol i'll time
06:09 < EvilDude> about half a second
06:11 < EvilDude> *plugs in dock to see if disk mode menu comes up*
06:12 < EvilDude> hm interesting, I dont think it's showing me the usb disk mode menu thing
06:12 < EvilDude> well it is in firewire =\ but should it work?
06:12 < aegray> no - only 4g and above too :/
06:12 < aegray> and only usb for now
06:13 < EvilDude> ah :(
06:13 < EvilDude> I really should get a 4g :(
06:13 < EvilDude> heh i lose on both accounts :P
06:13 < aegray> haha
06:13 < courtc> sliding default on or off?
06:14 < aegray> i say on
06:14 < EvilDude> on :D
06:15 < EvilDude> any chance dynamic menus can have them or would it be too hard to make them slide?
06:15 < courtc> cant yet..
06:16 < courtc> a dynamic menu is created after the screen gets drawn, so no sliding :/
06:16 < EvilDude> yeah I meant is it possible
06:16 < EvilDude> or not worth it
06:16 < aegray> can we change when it gets created?
06:16 < EvilDude> haha that's a problem
06:17 < courtc> you can make a function that gets called when it is done creating it or when it has at least a screenful of items
06:17 < EvilDude> hm
06:20 < aegray> where is kmalloc defined?
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06:22 < Tonkajds> good evening all
06:25 < Tonkajds> i have a question about tuxchess
06:26 < meatmanek> I think it's time for bed.
06:26 < meatmanek> 'night folks.
06:27 < Tonkajds> can someone explain to me why the cursor was removed from the game? Also it seems that the last game feature does not play right anyone know why? Is this a known bug?
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06:30 < CIA-4> courtc * tools/podzilla/ (ipod.c ipod.h mlist.c menu.c): added option for sliding transition
06:35 < courtc> I think that's enough for today.
06:35 < courtc> 'night
06:35 < aegray> night
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06:48 < bomg31> hey gray, i was trying to hack away at the video code to get some audio workin' any suggestion where to start?
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06:49 < aegray> heh - what are you thinking?
06:50 < aegray> filereading -> cpu thread display->cpu thread frame buffering -> cop main audio fiq->cop reading from sdram
06:50 < bomg31> well i'm not quite sure, i mean i actually wanted to expand it all out to support like mov's and mpg's too
06:50 < aegray> that sums it up
06:50 < bomg31> alright, i'll see what i can do and report back, wish me luck
06:50 < aegray> haha good luck - moving that stuff is a large task
06:51 < bomg31> oh i know, its going to be pretty just yet, but it might work... erm... sort of... lol
06:51 < bomg31> **not
06:51 < aegray> if you want to add in mov and mpg - look up the file formats and decoding libraries and i'll work on it with you
06:51 < aegray> i just picked the easiest standard and went with it
06:52 < bomg31> oh i agree, lemme see about mov first, considering it is an apple ipod
06:52 < aegray> haha
06:54 < bomg31> have you ever looked at the xbox media center code?
06:54 < aegray> nope
06:54 < aegray> haven't looked at too much other code
06:55 < aegray> i'm pretty lazy
06:55 < bomg31> haha, well they have an interesting thing setup, they have it so you can add in pretty much ANY codec just by putting it into a "Codecs" folder, basically it lets you add support for lots of formats and the code is simpler all it does it figure out which codec to use and try and find it in the codecs list, if it can't find it, it tells you you need to download the codec for "blahblah" encoding type
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06:57 < EvilDude> they use mplayer ;)
06:57 < Mac64> plop
06:57 < aegray> the main thing we're interested in is how the encoding stores the frames (audio and video) and how they are decoded
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06:57 < aegray> if we can create a program on our own (none of their libraries) that extracts frames as images and wav data, we can put it in on the ipod (in general)
06:58 < aegray> god i need to stop being lazy and just rewrite this
06:58 < bomg31> agreed, do we know exactly how much the ipod can handle, (i mean some of these formats can be pretty hefty proccesor hogs)
06:59 < aegray> no we don't - thats the problem. In its current state, the video player is pretty sloppy
06:59 < aegray> a lot can be done to improve things
06:59 < aegray> plus when we figure out dma ... :)
06:59 < bomg31> haha exactly ;)
06:59 < bomg31> yeah ive been looking at it since last night and it like i said it may not be pretty but it does technically work
07:00 < bomg31> the other thing is the whole "ipod will freeze if you try to load two videos in a row"
07:00 < aegray> thats probably just bad initialization of variables
07:00 < aegray> everything needs to be reset on start
07:00 < aegray> and i don't think i'm doing that
07:00 < bomg31> yeah that's what i was thinking, re-initialize all the buffers and crap
07:01 < aegray> i almost guarantee that fixes any problems there
07:02 < bomg31> yep, i have to say i'm less than impressed with the ipod's computing capabilities to begin with, lol
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07:02 < bomg31> like we could code it beautifully but i'm not so sure the pod would react accordingly
07:02 < aegray> it could still be a lot better than it is
07:03 < aegray> stuff needs to be taken out of the kernel
07:03 < bomg31> yeah, id love to see the interface react kind of like quicktime-fullscreen on os x
07:03 < aegray> how's that?
07:03 * aegray doesn't have osx
07:03 < bomg31> oh sorry
07:03 < bomg31> well like whenever any key is pressed a small transparent overlay is shown (fades in) at the bottom of the screen
07:04 < bomg31> it shows position in the file, and some choices like (play, fast-forward, rewind, stop)
07:04 < aegray> in its current state that is pretty difficult - all the frames are ready for display ahead of time
07:04 < aegray> but we could add in a mask
07:04 < aegray> in the display function
07:05 < bomg31> yeah i don't know though can we draw transparent graphics with the current system?
07:05 < aegray> what system?
07:05 < aegray> i'm just writing to hardware
07:05 < bomg31> like ya know the way we currently draw stuff to the screen can it support transparency
07:05 < bomg31> yeah
07:05 < bomg31> is there an alpha value in there anywhere?
07:05 < aegray> so if you and pixels or whatever
07:06 < aegray> no - its not possible through hardware
07:06 < aegray> we'd have to or the pixels or something (however you usually do transparency
07:06 < aegray> )
07:06 < bomg31> yeah well i mean, for the time being a mask would work, at least center all the code for overlays (like menus and such while the vid is playing) in once block of code
07:07 < aegray> yea
07:07 < bomg31> and then try and clean up the current code before any other formats are added, and i agree about moving it out of the kernel, i had to update my kernel just so my videos wouldn't look all hippy-fied
07:08 < aegray> that would have happened anyway
07:08 < aegray> that was a kernel fix
07:08 < bomg31> oh, well nvm then, lol
07:09 < aegray> i'm just gonna set something up where you can provide a function pointer somewhere in iRam and the cop will read it and execute that function
07:09 < bomg31> hey there's an idea
07:09 < aegray> then we can have all the video player code in one file
07:09 < bomg31> good thinkin' ;)
07:10 < bomg31> (wishful thinking) is there anyway we could ever get a version of mplayer running inside ipl? (i know it'd be a heap of work, but that would definently solve all of media problems)
07:10 < aegray> yea maybe - it would probably be easier to just use any decoding libraries
07:10 < aegray> because i don't really want to port something made for one processor to work across 2
07:11 * aegray lazy
07:11 < bomg31> agreed, no one wants that job
07:11 < aegray> haha
07:12 < bomg31> hey so what was all the audio code i saw in video.c? lol
07:13 < aegray> haha - yea try it out :/
07:13 < aegray> video_useAudio=1
07:13 < aegray> using a thread for it isn't any better
07:13 < bomg31> i tried to alter it a little last night but only managed to geta couple of "fashdliurhsdafsadfsacrsssssh" short sounds when the video started
07:13 < bomg31> like blips in an mp3 kinda of sounding
07:14 < aegray> i dunno about that one
07:14 < aegray> mine plays sound chopily from the file
07:14 < aegray> you probably had it encoded wrong
07:14 < aegray> it has to be raw pcd
07:14 < aegray> pcm*
07:14 < bomg31> ah i c, i think i had it in mp3 or something
07:14 < aegray> it plays with audio - audio is choppy and video churns to almost a halt
07:14 < bomg31> yeah the video was skipping alot when i tried it
07:15 < aegray> hehe your inspiring me to actually work on this
07:15 < bomg31> haha, well good, i'm glad to help in whatever way i can
07:16 < bomg31> basically i'm interested because i want watch a video on my ipod before steve and co. release their own vidPod
07:16 < aegray> which is supposedly what - september?
07:16 < bomg31> s'waht i hear
07:16 < bomg31> *what
07:17 < bomg31> plus i think having an open standard for media on the ipod is a MUCH better idea than all that closed up secrecy
07:17 < aegray> haha
07:17 < aegray> my internship ends august something or other - maybe 15th - then i work on it a ton
07:17 < aegray> but till then nights go to it
07:17 < aegray> i just need to be motivated to work on this and not something else
07:18 < bomg31> understood, i love apple with all my heart, i think their brilliant, but their just too darn selfish with the code for all those pretty things, lol
07:18 < bomg31> *they're
07:18 < aegray> haha
07:18 < aegray> yea
07:18 < aegray> plus if we can push they're hardware further than they'll allow - its fun!
07:19 < bomg31> oh heck yeah
07:22 < bomg31> oh another thing to (add to the inevitbly long list) of todo is maybe some kind of front end (ala the ipl installer style) for encoding videos for the different models
07:23 < bomg31> just to make the whole process a little less scary
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07:23 < aegray> yep
07:23 < aegray> shouldn't be that bad
07:23 < bomg31> nah just reference all the mencoder options or some such
07:24 < aegray> yep
07:30 < bomg31> how what -oac option for mencoder should i use to try an encode the avi file with audio?
07:30 < aegray> oac raw i think
07:30 < bomg31> yeah that's what i tried but no luck
07:30 < aegray> pcm
07:31 < bomg31> kk
07:34 < bomg31> well if it helps at all the first time i stepped into the code i was able to understand it rather easily given the compicatedness of what we're trying to do here, lol
07:34 < aegray> hehe - its really not that bad - just a big bunch of code
07:35 < bomg31> yeah i mean i was scared to even look at ipl for a long time now i see its not so bad ;)
07:35 < aegray> hehe
07:36 < bomg31> hey any reason you've got 'video_vol_delta' instead of the 'audio_adjustVolume(int)' function?
07:37 < aegray> i dunno - didn't go into depth on it - it was so you can set the change amount inside an event handler and adjust it later
07:37 < bomg31> ok cool, i just didn't want to change something and have whole thing break on me :)
07:37 < aegray> i don't think it will
07:37 < bomg31> k
07:37 < aegray> only thing that would really break is if you changed the cop or kernel side stuff
07:38 < bomg31> yeah, don't worry not there quite yet
07:38 < aegray> other than that, changing it shouldnt' be too bad (as long as the changes aren't that sweeping)
07:38 < bomg31> yeah
07:38 < bomg31> haha i can't believe i'm testing this with on old episode of teenage mutant ninja turtles
07:38 < bomg31> *an
07:38 < aegray> haha
07:39 < aegray> basically, the whole function buffer_frames is going to be run on the cop continuously - theres going to be a thread that just loops and reads in filedata into memory
07:39 < aegray> and then a new display function
07:39 < bomg31> oh that's a good idea
07:39 < bomg31> shift the load
07:40 < bomg31> hopefully that will speed things up slightly, like when seeking
07:40 < aegray> i did some tests - displaying stuff while reading in a file with a thread
07:40 < aegray> it barely effected display
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07:40 < bomg31> hmmn well still it will be nicer this way
07:40 < sl_n_> hey guys
07:40 < aegray> hi
07:41 < sl_n_> got some q's bout ipl..
07:41 < aegray> i got some p's
07:41 < bomg31> ha
07:41 < sl_n_> thank you..
07:41 < aegray> ask away
07:41 < sl_n_> what does 'malloc failed' mean?
07:41 < bomg31> the sky is falling
07:41 < sl_n_> i got ipl working, was all excited, and that happens on most of the songs.. :(
07:41 < aegray> it means that our current playback buffering sucks and it tries to copy in the whole song into memory
07:41 < aegray> and when the song is too big, this fails
07:41 < aegray> it will be fixed
07:42 < aegray> in due time
07:42 < sl_n_> damn.. cos i have heaps of albums as single songs :'(
07:42 < aegray> apple_os for now
07:42 < sl_n_> but it happens to some of the normal songs..?
07:42 < bomg31> yeah they will *eventually* work
07:42 < aegray> once we get mpd, it will work great
07:42 < sl_n_> but my apple os doesn't work!
07:42 < sl_n_> haha
07:42 < aegray> ahha
07:42 < sl_n_> ok, cool
07:42 < sl_n_> how long?
07:42 < aegray> i dunno
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07:42 < aegray> its like 80% done
07:42 < sl_n_> cool
07:42 < aegray> it needs to have a few issues worked out
07:42 < sl_n_> do i need to know C# to help?
07:43 < bomg31> ipl is all 'c'
07:43 < sl_n_> darn
07:43 < aegray> C# - thats microsofts .net platform
07:43 < sl_n_> i don't know that either
07:43 < sl_n_> ok, cool
07:43 < bomg31> if ipl was in C# we'd all be alot angrier, lol
07:43 < aegray> haha
07:43 < sl_n_> :P
07:43 < aegray> and it wouldnt run
07:43 < bomg31> oh yeah that too
07:43 < sl_n_> fair enough
07:43 < sl_n_> cool how a 30 yr old prog. code still does new stuff today
07:44 < aegray> thats because its great :)
07:44 < bomg31> oh yeah c isn't going anywhere, lol
07:44 < sl_n_> lots of ppl in here
07:44 < sl_n_> but theres like 4 people talking..
07:44 < sl_n_> does that mean they're watching us?
07:45 < aegray> oooo yes
07:45 < aegray> stalkers
07:45 < sl_n_> man i hate big brother
07:45 < bomg31> hey gray, any ideas on how we could display the audio volume during video playback, lack another slider or what?
07:45 < bomg31> **like
07:45 < sl_n_> perhaps a vertical one?
07:45 < aegray> we would do it just like we do the current one
07:45 < aegray> moving left + right would adjust volume,
07:46 < aegray> click and you can seek
07:46 < bomg31> k, make the volume look like the current seek then?
07:46 < sl_n_> oh, how do you turn off the ipod?
07:46 < aegray> kinda
07:46 < sl_n_> i can turn mine off, but it just boots again
07:46 < aegray> once i get it to a good point, i'll make it all look better
07:46 < bomg31> what would be cool is display the time below the seekbar
07:46 < aegray> sl_n - you can't right now
07:46 < aegray> well
07:46 < aegray> you can
07:46 < aegray> if you update a lot of stuff
07:46 < bomg31> yeah
07:46 < sl_n_> oh.. :(
07:47 < sl_n_> how long has it been in development?
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07:47 < aegray> a little bit
07:47 < aegray> its in the kernel
07:47 < aegray> it works
07:47 < aegray> you just have to update some stuff
07:47 < aegray> it all works :()
07:47 < slink> can i find the updates on ipodlinux.org?
07:47 < aegray> not yet
07:47 < aegray> actually
07:48 < slink> :(
07:48 < slink> where then?
07:48 < aegray> http://ipodlinux.sf.net/downloads/beta/
07:48 < slink> (Y)
07:48 < aegray> update - busybox, and initrc
07:48 < aegray> initrd*
07:48 < slink> not found?
07:48 < aegray> and a few other things
07:48 < aegray> sorry
07:48 < aegray> http://ipodlinux.sf.net/download/beta/
07:48 * aegray not copying and pasting
07:49 < slink> oOoO stuff :D
07:49 < slink> what do i get?
07:50 < aegray> are you on windows?
07:50 < slink> ya
07:50 < aegray> ok - i don't have time to help you tonight
07:50 < aegray> gotta wake up in 4 hours
07:50 < slink> lol.. ok
07:50 < aegray> come back on another time and i'll help
07:50 < slink> (Y) thanks
07:50 < aegray> ok bomg31 - if you wanna email me - its aegray@ipodlinux.org
07:50 < bomg31> sweet
07:50 < aegray> or i'm always on here
07:50 < aegray> ALWAYS
07:51 < aegray> ok night
07:51 < slink> haha
07:51 < slink> nite
07:51 < bomg31> ha, yeah i'll be around alot
07:51 < bomg31> peace
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07:51 < slink> i put a shortcut to this channel on my desktop (H)
07:51 < slink> :D
07:55 < slink> if i download a c code thingy, how do i apply to ipl?
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09:00 < bomg31> anyone still awake in here?
09:02 < Sereroku> o.O
09:02 < Pokeon> only half
09:02 < Appelmoes> yop
09:02 < Appelmoes> its 11:09 here :)
09:02 < Appelmoes> AM
09:02 < Pokeon> 2:02am here
09:02 < Appelmoes> :)
09:02 < Sereroku> it's 11:09am here
09:02 < Sereroku> no
09:02 < Sereroku> 11:00
09:02 < Sereroku> ^^
09:02 < Appelmoes> I was pretty drunk yesterday :)
09:02 < Appelmoes> ow yes 11;02 :p
09:02 < Appelmoes> ntpdate :)
09:03 < Pokeon> lol
09:03 < Sereroku> where do you live Appelmoes
09:03 < Sereroku> ^^
09:03 < Appelmoes> belgium
09:03 < Sereroku> oh o.O
09:03 < Sereroku> ^^
09:03 < Sereroku> dunno where it is :]
09:03 < Appelmoes> don't have to work today
09:03 < Appelmoes> it's our national holiday
09:03 < Sereroku> o.O
09:04 < Appelmoes> its like the US 4th of july
09:04 < Sereroku> <- germany ^_^
09:04 < Appelmoes> oh
09:04 < Appelmoes> where in germany
09:04 < Sereroku> Berlin
09:05 < Appelmoes> :)
09:06 < Sereroku> ;]
09:06 < Appelmoes> I saw Mr and Mrs smith yesterday, felt asleep :)
09:07 < Sereroku> lol
09:09 < Appelmoes> but it was a divx so I just finish it later :p
09:10 < inemo> where is there a good tutorial about installing linux on an ipod from the command line?
09:10 < Sereroku> ^^
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09:10 < inemo> I can't seem to find one on the forums or wiki
09:10 < Sereroku> www.ipodlinux.org
09:10 < Sereroku> Documentation
09:11 < Pokeon> Does anyone here have turn off working?
09:11 < sl_n_> its still being made
09:11 < sl_n_> currently 'in the works'
09:12 < sl_n_> apparently around 80% done
09:12 < Pokeon> *blinks* I heard it working fine... if you have the right init and busybox stuff I just dont no how to install that
09:12 < sl_n_> yea, they are workin on an easy way
09:12 < sl_n_> sucks for me cos the apple os doesnt work on my ipod
09:13 < Pokeon> why is that?
09:13 < sl_n_> i screwed it up with ipodwizard
09:13 < sl_n_> and now the updater won't recognise my ipod
09:13 < bomg31> ok i got one for you guys
09:13 < Sereroku> Does anyone here have turn off working? <- me o.O
09:14 < Pokeon> hahaha so just downgrade your firmware version
09:14 < bomg31> is there some problem concerning the latest nightly kernel and the latest apple firmware?
09:14 < sl_n_> tried that
09:14 < sl_n_> the updator says 'ipod service error'
09:14 < sl_n_> won't let me format or anything
09:14 < Pokeon> Sereroku... could you give me a quick little tutorial
09:14 < Sereroku> for what?
09:14 < Pokeon> getting turn off working
09:14 < sl_n_> is there a way to get around the malloc failed error?
09:15 < Pokeon> mpd
09:15 < Sereroku> install the new kernel lol
09:15 < sl_n_> :( that doesn't work
09:15 < sl_n_> but i'll try anyway..
09:15 < Pokeon> the updator says 'ipod service error' Doesnt that mean the iPod Service isnt running
09:15 < Sereroku> Sereroku... could you give me a quick little tutorial <- new kernel :P
09:16 < Pokeon> still dont work
09:16 < Sereroku> so i dont know :P
09:16 < sl_n_> pokeon: no, its an offline thing.. it should at least let me format, but i dunno.. i'll have to look into it more
09:16 < sl_n_> i didn't bother cos it was working
09:16 < Pokeon> it has the stuff to make it work but missing the poweroff app
09:16 < sl_n_> sereroku: whats the new kernel?
09:16 < Sereroku> cvs :p
09:17 < sl_n_> *sigh..* on way now
09:17 < Pokeon> iPod Service would be the service in windows for detecting an iPod... thast if your running windows
09:17 < bomg31> does anybody know what date the kernel was posted that fixed the video display on the ipod photo, (fixed the problem with inverted crazy colors)?
09:17 < sl_n_> pokeon: yea, you're right. any idea why it won't let me clear my ipod?
09:18 < bomg31> and if not, where (cvs?) could i obtain the code for the kernel to compile myself?
09:18 < Pokeon> just reinstall the iPod software and check adn see if it is running
09:18 < Pokeon> there hasnt been kernel changes in like a week or so
09:19 < Pokeon> okay more liek 4 days
09:19 < bomg31> k, well for some reason the only kernel i can get to boot on my photo is from june 9th, 05
09:19 < bomg31> or earlier
09:19 < bomg31> i think...
09:19 < sl_n_> i can only get july the 9th to boot
09:19 < sl_n_> getting the newest one now
09:19 < sl_n_> (today's)
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09:20 < bomg31> its not a normal error though, like it just sticks on the apple logo with no backlight...
09:20 < Pokeon> Im runnign 20th one
09:20 < sl_n_> whats an .asc file? linux?
09:20 < bomg31> i've got no idea, i just got the tar
09:20 < bomg31> i was wondering that myself tho
09:20 < sl_n_> pokeon, what ipod you got?
09:20 < Pokeon> mini2g
09:21 < sl_n_> me too :D
09:21 < Appelmoes> bleh mini
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09:21 < bomg31> hmmn its probably a 4g/photo prob for me then...
09:21 < Pokeon> there nice... they need more space... Im getting a new HDD for it this xmas
09:21 < sl_n_> we are like.. podbrothers
09:21 < sl_n_> goodbye warranty :P
09:21 < Appelmoes> 30gb ipod photo
09:21 < Pokeon> mine been gone since i started playing with iPodWizard before Linux was supported
09:21 < Appelmoes> just enough for me
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09:21 < sl_n_> bastard
09:22 < sl_n_> lol.. nice :D
09:22 < sl_n_> aegray never leaves.. weird
09:22 < Pokeon> sl_n_ have you seen my build of podzilla
09:22 < Appelmoes> sl_n_: bnc or ssh + screen + irssi :)
09:22 < sl_n_> is it the pokemon one? not yet, sendy? :D
09:22 < Pokeon> its the Poke-Zilla one
09:22 < sl_n_> appelmoes: ?
09:23 < Appelmoes> so you are always online on irc :)
09:23 < sl_n_> not always this channel, but yea, most of the time
09:24 < sl_n_> pokeon: thanks :D
09:24 < Pokeon> sl_n_... everything sep dopeware is set to fit the mini screen size... well I tihnk its just dopewars that doesnt fit... I dont remember now
09:25 < sl_n_> ok coolies
09:25 < sl_n_> yours is the file i put on the 'pod, right
09:25 < Pokeon> you can just throw all the files in the zip on the ipod and boot in to linux and everything is 'installed' for you
09:26 < sl_n_> in the ipod's root?
09:26 < Pokeon> ya
09:26 < sl_n_> sweet
09:26 < sl_n_> is it worth trying the new kernel?
09:27 < Pokeon> alrdy try to have an updated kernel
09:27 < sl_n_> ok will do
09:30 < sl_n_> its bein a bastard
09:30 < Pokeon> how so?
09:30 < sl_n_> just has the apple logo for a sec, then has the folder with a danger sign next to it
09:30 < sl_n_> grr
09:30 < Pokeon> i hate it when it does that
09:30 < Appelmoes> boot failure :p
09:31 < sl_n_> yea, gathered that
09:31 < Pokeon> you just need to install the applefirmware and do the linux insall and it fixes it
09:31 < sl_n_> i'll try.. lol
09:33 < sl_n_> oooops ... :( i forgot to put the 'start' file on there
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09:33 < Pokeon> lol
09:33 < sl_n_> new kernel works, using your zilla now, poke
09:33 < Pokeon> tell me what you think
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09:35 < Pokeon> oh shit look at the time if my dad gets up im dead... laters guys
09:35 < sl_n_> ok, cya
09:35 < sl_n_> thanks for your help :D
09:35 < sl_n_> the zilla looks good :D!
09:37 < sl_n_> is it possible to use disk mode on a computer without ipod software installed?
09:37 < sl_n_> hey cool, the new kernel works better :D
09:38 < sl_n_> is anyone else here?
09:38 < hyarion> I am :)
09:38 < sl_n_> how come all my playlists have doubled? theres two of them now.. they multiply
09:38 < hyarion> thats strange
09:39 < sl_n_> yea, its annoying.. :(
09:39 < hyarion> what have you done?
09:39 < sl_n_> lol.. nothing i can think to provoke such a strange occurance
09:40 < hyarion> you must have done something :)
09:40 < sl_n_> ;) i don't know.. weird
09:40 < sl_n_> whats 'button debounce'?
09:42 < hyarion> have you tried google it?
09:42 < sl_n_> not yet.. doesn't bother me that much
09:43 < sl_n_> hahahaha awesome.. chopper is cool
09:43 < sl_n_> how do i get out of dopewars? :$
09:44 < hyarion> never tried it
09:44 < hyarion> guess menu :)
09:44 < sl_n_> weird.. pressing menu doesn't work
09:44 < sl_n_> i just rebooted
09:47 < sl_n_> ok.. how do you get out of podwrite?
09:50 < sl_n_> i rebooted
09:50 < sl_n_> why is the default year 1970?
09:51 < hyarion> < sl_n_> ok.. how do you get out of podwrite? <-- flip the hold switch
09:52 < hyarion> what gen do you have?
09:52 < hyarion> 1?
09:52 < hyarion> 2?
09:52 < sl_n_> 2
09:52 < hyarion> there is no hardware clock on that one
09:52 < sl_n_> sure there is ;)
09:52 < sl_n_> i'
09:52 < sl_n_> i'm lookin at it
09:53 < hyarion> no i have a 2g myself
09:53 < sl_n_> and yours doesn't have a clock?
09:54 < hyarion> http://www.ipodlinux.org/FAQ#Will_I_lose_my_music.3F_Playlists.3F
09:54 < hyarion> not hardware
09:55 < sl_n_> wait.. what do you mean?
09:55 < sl_n_> are you saying that theres no clock all on the 2g ipod mini?
09:55 < sl_n_> or not one on the outside?
09:55 < hyarion> oh
09:55 < hyarion> is it a mini :)
09:55 < sl_n_> lol.. yea
09:56 < hyarion> then I have no idea
09:56 < sl_n_> yea, it has a clock
09:56 < hyarion> have only an oldish
09:57 < sl_n_> i'd gladly have an old one, if it meant having 20gigs..
09:57 < sl_n_> lol
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09:59 < hyarion> have only 10g
09:59 < hyarion> 10GB
10:00 < lgates> Anyone have an old ipodlinux firmware restore util
10:00 < lgates> pre june 26
10:02 < sl_n_> www.ipodlinux.org/bulids
10:02 < sl_n_> if its not there, then you're outta luck
10:02 < sl_n_> why you want an old one?
10:02 < lgates> the new one is not ipl compatable
10:02 < lgates> or gtkpod compatable
10:02 < lgates> so my ipod is totally useless to me
10:02 < sl_n_> oh.. :(
10:02 < sl_n_> what ipod you got?
10:02 < lgates> 4g
10:03 < lgates> i have compiled ipl on it many times.
10:03 < lgates> but i didnt see the memo warning about the new firmware and upgraded it
10:03 < sl_n_> ah..
10:03 < hyarion> did you mean an old iPod (not ipl) firmware restore util?
10:03 < lgates> and now i have no way to go back to firmware version 1.4
10:03 < lgates> yes
10:03 < lgates> i want an old firmware restore util
10:03 < lgates> if somone has theri origional ipod disk or somthing
10:03 < hyarion> don't ask us for it!
10:03 < lgates> and could ftp it to me or emial it to me
10:03 < lgates> it would save my ipod
10:04 < hyarion> that's apple copyrighted, we can't send it to you
10:04 < lgates> yeah well its either ask here or give up on using my ipod....
10:04 < lgates> yeah well so are a lot of thigns on the web
10:04 < lgates> i legally am allowed a copy
10:04 < lgates> i own an ipod
10:05 < sl_n_> so what do you want? an old version of the official firmware?
10:05 < lgates> i just ned the utility since apple took the old links down
10:05 < lgates> an old version of aples ipod restore utility
10:05 < sl_n_> why?
10:05 < sl_n_> the one i have doesn't work, i have the same issue as you
10:05 < lgates> so i can revert my ipod
10:05 < sl_n_> so i installed ipl on it, now it works good
10:06 < hyarion> lgates, answer on msgs goddamit :P
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10:14 < lgates> :-(
10:14 * lgates whines for the loss of his pretty ipod
10:14 < lgates> Soembody has to put legality aside to pm me with an old windows apple firmware restore utility off a disk or somthing to save my ipod
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10:25 < sl_n_> and the RAID lovers rejoice.. "array! array!"
10:26 < sl_n_> grr.. there needs to be a way to clear the ram on the ipod, i keep gettig 'malloc failed' :(
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10:29 < lgates> ipodlinux
10:29 < lgates> doh
10:29 < sl_n_> damn.. now the search on the ipl site doesn't work
10:29 < sl_n_> you're in here ;)
10:30 < lgates> could anyone alive please /j #ipl-offtopic to help me?
10:31 < sl_n_> we are there
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10:47 < tirs> i am trying to copy files using my ipod between XP and Suse 9.3 - but when reading directories: Suse 9.3: (folders) Artists, Playlists, Utilities; XP (folders): Calendars, Contacts, Notes - is there a way to regulate directories?
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11:09 < sl_n_> what the hell is a suse?
11:12 < Prot> means 'horse' in hebrew
11:13 < hyarion> its a linux dist
11:13 < hyarion> GNU/Linux even :)
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12:41 < sl_n_> could someone run me through turning off my ipod?
12:41 < petemc> hold down play/pause for a few seconds
12:42 < _KDE> lol _._
12:42 < sl_n_> er
12:42 < sl_n_> no, in IPL
12:43 < petemc> not podzilla?
12:43 < sl_n_> IPL = ipodlinux
12:43 < petemc> yes, im aware
12:44 < sl_n_> i want to turn my ipod off.
12:44 < sl_n_> but it just boots again
12:45 < sl_n_> i know theres a way, but noone will tell me..
12:47 < petemc> ive no idea, i havent ventured out of the safety of podzilla myself
12:49 < sl_n_> it IS podzilla
12:49 < sl_n_> and ONLY podzilla
12:49 < sl_n_> apple OS seems to have disappeared from it
12:49 < sl_n_> holding rewind does nothing
12:49 < sl_n_> damnit.. :(
12:50 < petemc> it will boot into ipl with any input
12:51 < petemc> so make sure its unlocked etc, restart it and dont touch it
12:53 < sl_n_> i do, goes into ipl.
12:53 < sl_n_> if i press rewind with the apple logo, it goes into ipl.
12:53 < sl_n_> if i press any number of key combinations, it goes into ipl
12:56 < hyarion> if you do nothing?
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12:57 < sl_n_> if i do nothing, it linux-es
12:58 < hyarion> restart it into diskmode ond uninstall linux then :)
12:59 < sl_n_> sigh... i dont want to..
12:59 < sl_n_> ok, how do i delete linux?
13:00 < hyarion> plug it in
13:00 < hyarion> restart the ipod
13:00 < sl_n_> its in disk mode now, with G: open
13:00 < sl_n_> (G: is my ipod)
13:00 < hyarion> run ipod updater
13:01 < hyarion> chose restore ipod
13:01 < hyarion> something like that
13:01 < sl_n_> i can't run it..
13:01 < sl_n_> it says "iPod service error"
13:01 < hyarion> reboot your computer
13:01 < hyarion> :D
13:01 < sl_n_> lol.. its always had that problem
13:02 < sl_n_> i haven't been able to put new songs on for ages
13:03 < hyarion> check if there is a uninstall linux button in the ipl installer
13:04 < sl_n_> theres not
13:04 < sl_n_> i'll get the new iPod updateer thingy
13:11 < sl_n_> tomorrow..
13:12 < sl_n_> hey cool! videos rock on an ipod mini (H)
13:16 < sl_n_> anyone out there?
13:18 < hyarion> no
13:19 < sl_n_> i figured out how to turn it off! :))
13:20 < sl_n_> (went to diagnostic mode, and went to SleepShort. i did SleepLong once, took half an hour before it started up again)
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14:17 < hyarion> aegray, do you have arm-elf-gcc 3.4.3?
14:18 < aegray> hold
14:18 < aegray> on
14:19 < aegray> no - 2.95.3
14:19 < hyarion> I'm missing a bunch of includes and libs from the toolchain
14:19 < hyarion> oh
14:19 < hyarion> :(
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14:26 < hyarion> anyone else with 3.4.3?
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14:29 < Z_Man> uuh oh
14:29 < Z_Man> netsplit
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14:43 < Jack_MD> hi aegray
14:44 < Jack_MD> aegray: I have a problem with video conversion and I didn't find a solution on the net
14:46 * hyarion pretends to be aegray
14:46 < hyarion> what is the problem?
14:46 * BleuLlama pretends to be hyarion
14:46 * BleuLlama plays sid tunes
14:46 < hyarion> wooo
14:46 < hyarion> :)
14:47 < Jack_MD> i am a macuser, and I compiled mencoder for osx
14:47 < hyarion> and?
14:47 < Jack_MD> mom
14:48 < Jack_MD> I tried the following:
14:48 < Jack_MD> mencoder -ovc raw -ofps 15 -nosound -vf scale=220:-2,expand=220:176,format=bgr16 in.avi -o out.avi
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14:48 < Jack_MD> and all I got was a movie I could play, but I couldn't watch it..
14:49 < Jack_MD> because the colors were..
14:49 < Jack_MD> i can send you a test video..
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14:50 < aegray> Jack_MD: update your kernel
14:50 < Jack_MD> ok
14:51 < Jack_MD> wait
14:52 < Jack_MD> oh, you may think it was the problem with the apple sw 1.1, but I used a kernel which has ha fix for that
14:53 < Jack_MD> I have the kernel from 2005-06-29 installed..
14:54 < Jack_MD> okok, I'll update
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15:13 < Jack_MD> aegray: doesn't function anyway
15:13 < aegray> huh?
15:13 < aegray> sorry - was on a call
15:14 < aegray> go over your problem again
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15:14 < Jack_MD> I converted a movie with with mencoder, used the parameters you wrote down on the wiki
15:15 < macpod> Jack you are a mac right?
15:15 < Jack_MD> well, I should send you an example..
15:15 < aegray> are you on a mac?
15:15 < Jack_MD> macpod: like you, yeah
15:15 * aegray thanks macpod
15:15 < macpod> Just throwing it out, that's an important detail
15:16 < aegray> would there be endainness issues converting?
15:16 * aegray thought mencoder should handle that
15:16 < macpod> not with mencoder
15:16 < aegray> Jack_MD - whats wrong with the video?
15:17 < Jack_MD> as I wrote, I should send you an example... I'm searching for the free table tennis video, one moment please
15:18 < aegray> are the colors just messed up?
15:19 < Jack_MD> yeah, but that's not the problem with apple sw1.1
15:19 < Jack_MD> 'cause I have the newest kernel I could get
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15:20 < aegray> and your sure you have the newest kernel installed?
15:20 < Jack_MD> yes, I freshly installed it 2 minutes ago
15:20 < Jack_MD> ok, 4minutes ago
15:21 < eightballx> on my mini2 will the battery meter work?
15:21 < ScOrPiO-P> GO HerE http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2754
15:21 < aegray> should eightballx
15:21 < ScOrPiO-P> Jack_MD
15:21 < eightballx> how is usb coming along, i heard about some development on it?
15:22 < Jack_MD> battery meter?
15:22 < Jack_MD> is it working?
15:22 < Jack_MD> that's a surprise
15:23 < aegray> commited like a week ago
15:23 < aegray> hold on
15:23 < aegray> eightballx: looking at it - theres some little stuff in podzilla (blech) that detects usb insertation and asks if you want to reboot to diskmode
15:24 < Jack_MD> *grrr* can't find it..
15:25 < Jack_MD> can you give me a link to another video?
15:25 < Jack_MD> which is not converted
15:25 < aegray> which is not?
15:26 < Jack_MD> not converted for the ipd
15:26 < Jack_MD> *ipod
15:26 < macpod> go to alltheweb.com
15:26 < aegray> just download one
15:26 < macpod> go to media
15:26 < macpod> then type something like cat..
15:26 < macpod> or dog
15:26 < aegray> rabbit
15:27 < courtc> moose
15:27 < macpod> No. Forbidden.
15:28 < eightballx> ebaumsworld.com
15:31 < Jack_MD> found hijack.mpeg.. now I'll convert it with mencoder
15:32 < ScOrPiO-P> converting video 4 my iPod Photo was easy IN xp just made shortcuts to the H:\cygwin\home\Jamie\mplayer\mencoder.exe -ovc raw -ofps 15 -nosound -vf scale=220:-2,expand=220:176,format=bgr16 movie.Here.wmv -o movie.avi
15:32 < courtc> amazing.
15:32 < ScOrPiO-P> then just swaped this bit movie.Here.wmv to the name of my movie
15:32 < macpod> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/rubberjohnny.html
15:32 < macpod> convert that vid.. it's creepy
15:33 < hyarion> courtc- how did you install your toolchain?
15:33 < hyarion> where did you get it from?
15:33 < aegray> with a binary?
15:34 < eightballx> wtf?
15:34 < courtc> http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/m68k-elf-tools/gcc-3/uclinux-tools-20050221/
15:34 < hyarion> m68k?
15:34 < BleuLlama> aah. it's a chris cunningham film
15:34 < BleuLlama> http://www.rubberjohnny.tv
15:35 < courtc> its for x86 linux
15:35 < macpod> I saw it muted the first time at night.. very creepy
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15:35 < BleuLlama> same here
15:36 < BleuLlama> of course the version i saw was a wmv i think... not this flash movie thing
15:36 < eightballx> wtf is it supposed to be about?
15:36 < Troy^> i first got my ipod mini it reconized plugged into a 1.1usb port but then took it on vacation charged it on serval diffrerent computers now i have it back home and it will charge yes but not be recognized as a ipod it wont be there as a drive or anything itunes wont see it either i have no idea what to do ?
15:37 < hyarion> courtc- I have found one for ppc but it's missing a buch of includes and libs...
15:37 < eightballx> Troy reset the ipod
15:37 < eightballx> i had the same thing
15:37 < Troy^> how? u reset it
15:37 < eightballx> hold menu and center
15:38 < Jack_MD> ok, aegray: now I have a converted file, can you give me your email address?
15:38 < Troy^> wow i had no idea thats how u reset it lol
15:38 < Troy^> there we go lol
15:38 < aegray> Jack_MD: is it converted for the ipod?
15:39 < BleuLlama> I hadn't actually watched it all the way through yet...
15:39 < eightballx> its not that creepy!
15:39 < hyarion> courtc- I thought it would be possible to take the incs and libs from your chain(that works) and put them into my version(that doesn't)
15:39 < BleuLlama> i never saw the aphex twin music part
15:39 < Troy^> thank u for ur help
15:39 < Jack_MD> aegray: I have both, non converted and converted for ipod
15:39 < Jack_MD> with mencoder
15:39 < aegray> i'm at work so i can't try out your movie
15:39 < aegray> no ipod photo here
15:39 < Jack_MD> ok
15:39 < BleuLlama> but it's very chris cunningham... very aphex twim... heh
15:39 < aegray> take a video or picture of it playing on your ipod
15:39 < aegray> and i'll look at it
15:40 < Jack_MD> mh.. then I'll need a digital camera... wait
15:40 < eightballx> np troy! :)
15:45 < Troy^> i cant wait untill there is support for my 4gb ipodmini
15:45 < aegray> theres no support
15:45 < Troy^> oh
15:45 < aegray> but it runs :)
15:45 < Troy^> oh it does
15:45 < aegray> linux runs on everything
15:45 * aegray runs linux on his garbage can
15:45 < BleuLlama> too bad there's no such thing as a "4g ipod mini"
15:45 < aegray> 4gb
15:46 < BleuLlama> too bad i never learned how to read
15:46 < aegray> haha
15:46 * BleuLlama kills self
15:46 < Troy^> [11:45] [f] «BleuLlama» too bad there's no such thing as a "4g ipod mini" whgat are u talking about
15:46 < hyarion> BlueLlama, thanks for that hdiutil command :)
15:46 < Troy^> if u have linux on ur ipod can u still have the original ipod screen too
15:46 < BleuLlama> np
15:46 < BleuLlama> u ur
15:46 < eightballx> yep
15:47 < aegray> so - who's seen sliding menus?
15:47 < eightballx> you can choose at ipod bootup
15:47 * aegray excited
15:47 < BleuLlama> yeah. courtc did an awesome job on those last night
15:47 < Troy^> nice im donwload the installer for my ipod now then when i put on linux now will it erase my stuff on the ipod
15:47 < Troy^> ?
15:47 < BleuLlama> so - who's seen color pod draw?
15:47 < eightballx> what are they, i ma gonna get latest kernel
15:47 < BleuLlama> (now with file saving!)
15:47 < eightballx> CONVERT THIS please i would love it on my ipod
15:47 < aegray> eightballx - in latest podzilla
15:47 < eightballx> http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/numa.php
15:47 < aegray> no
15:48 < aegray> its flash anyway iirc
15:48 < eightballx> omg poddraw saves now?!
15:48 * aegray applauds bleullama
15:48 < eightballx> damn
15:48 < BleuLlama> 8bx: don't you dare TELL us what to do
15:48 < eightballx> ok
15:48 < eightballx> sorry
15:48 < aegray> especially when its something you can do yourself
15:48 < macpod> spell out your words
15:49 < Troy^> eightballx can i pm
15:50 < eightballx> pm?
15:50 < eightballx> nm
15:53 < BleuLlama> i need to figure out a way to ask the user if they want to save the created image though.
15:53 < BleuLlama> right now, it just *always* saves out the image to a file when you exit
15:53 < aegray> just do a popup on menu
15:53 < macpod> make a meuu
15:53 < Jack_MD> *grr* cannot make a photo.. :(
15:53 < BleuLlama> oh, and run the menu. duh
15:53 < macpod> It will slide to the right and then be like, sup d00d, wanna save?
15:54 < BleuLlama> it saves out the image to a file named with the current date/time
15:54 < macpod> can you load images?
15:54 < BleuLlama> no
15:54 < macpod> Next feature :)
15:54 < BleuLlama> and it only does destructive drawing
15:54 < BleuLlama> it's always drawing
15:54 < BleuLlama> like an etch-a-sketch
15:54 < macpod> you could load a jpeg, then write over it
15:55 < macpod> then save it
15:55 < aegray> doesn't microwin have libraries for that too?
15:55 < aegray> makes it easier
15:55 < BleuLlama> well, currently, it draws on two buffers simultaneously
15:55 < BleuLlama> the screen buffer, and a buffer i use to save out the file with
15:55 < macpod> Yea.. the buffer problem.. it's a pain with all drawing libraries
15:55 < eightballx> wow... an ipod photoshop! i can see it now
15:55 < BleuLlama> since microwindows doesn't have a "get_pixel_at( x,y)
15:56 < macpod> Usually there is something that allows you to acess the window as bitmap data
15:56 < macpod> or rather the context
15:56 < BleuLlama> yeah, but i was unsure of how to use it, since i couldn't find any information about it
15:56 < aegray> Bleullama: microwin has functions for that iirc
15:56 < BleuLlama> the nanox docs on it were *really* weak
15:56 < aegray> i don't know if they are exposed
15:56 < aegray> look in fblin*revipod.c
15:57 < aegray> under microwindows/drivers/
15:57 < macpod> In other languages it is just a linear stream of pixels
15:57 < macpod> you ahve to figure out how to read the bytes but that is not bad
15:57 < BleuLlama> it gets the screen buffer into a "packed pixel" buffer, but it doesn't say who should allocate it, how big it should be, if it's the rgb data or palette lookup data
15:57 < BleuLlama> and to be honest, i just didn't care enouhg to figure it out last night.
15:57 < macpod> heh
15:57 < aegray> wait which does?
16:00 < BleuLlama> huh, aegray?
16:00 < aegray> nm
16:00 < aegray> you said it gets it in a packed pixel
16:00 < aegray> buffer*
16:00 < aegray> what were you talking about?
16:00 < BleuLlama> yeah. GrReadArea()
16:00 < aegray> oh
16:00 < BleuLlama> "create a bitmap from the contents of a drawable area"
16:01 < BleuLlama> i'll screw around with it tonight
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16:01 < aegray> you could expose linear16_readpixel
16:01 < aegray> in the fblin driver
16:02 < BleuLlama> no. i'm not going to screw with the microwindows stuff.
16:02 < aegray> ok
16:02 < BleuLlama> er, not going to hack it.
16:02 < BleuLlama> i'll figure out ReadArea
16:02 * aegray breaks encapsulation
16:03 * BleuLlama lunches
16:05 < eightballx> does anyone have the latest loader.bin or am i gonnnanhave to compile it myself?
16:05 < aegray> compile it
16:06 < eightballx> okelydokely
16:06 < eightballx> dont worry
16:07 < bobjohnso> hey dudes, my first time here, just wanted to say kudos on the work you're all doing
16:07 < bobjohnso> waiting for my data to copy off my 4g so i can try it out, don't care if i have to reinstall the firmware
16:07 < eightballx> cool
16:08 < bobjohnso> I'll leave ya alone now ;)
16:08 < Jack_MD> I'm off
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16:08 < aegray> good luck with the install
16:08 < bobjohnso> thx
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16:08 < aegray> hey david
16:09 < davidc__> ay
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16:10 < ScOrPiO-P> Hi There
16:10 < davidc__> colors = kick.
16:10 < davidc__> because they're irritating.
16:11 < ScOrPiO-P> sorry will turn it off
16:13 < ScOrPiO-P> but 4 people who dont like them should strip the code from incoming messages in there setting
16:13 < Troy^> wow i installed linux and i ahve a the appleboot screen and thats it omg
16:13 < ScOrPiO-P> or should put +c on chan
16:14 < Troy^> opk it booted apple firmware
16:14 < Troy^> ok now i need to boot into linux
16:15 < davidc__> ScOrPiO-P: or I could just put mode +b on the 1 person who uses them
16:15 < davidc__> either or.
16:15 < davidc__> your choice.
16:15 * aegray votes for the latter
16:16 < davidc__> aegray: which latter? :P
16:16 < aegray> mode+b
16:16 < aegray> and regulation!
16:16 < davidc__> yeah, could work, but naaah.. I'll let him off for now...
16:16 < aegray> haha ok
16:16 < davidc__> [there's a reason we don't give aegray op's folks... the last time we did, he got into an argument with himself, and banned himself from the channel]
16:17 < ScOrPiO-P> im sorry but only trying to help u
16:17 < aegray> haha
16:18 * aegray checks logs to see if he actually did that
16:18 < Troy^> now i cant boot into apple firmware or linux omg
16:18 < Troy^> i just got an apple
16:18 < aegray> Troy^: what os?
16:19 < Troy^> oh it booted to applefirmware
16:19 < ScOrPiO-P> Troy^: put hold switch on when u c apple logo
16:19 < Troy^> ok
16:19 < Troy^> ok i put hold on
16:20 < Troy^> i see the apple logo
16:20 < aegray> troy: what os?
16:20 < ScOrPiO-P> when c text turn it off
16:20 < Troy^> os?
16:20 < ScOrPiO-P> Troy r u on xp
16:20 < Troy^> yea
16:20 < ScOrPiO-P> ok gd
16:21 < ScOrPiO-P> me2
16:21 < Troy^> i still cant fucking boot to linux maybe i installed wrong
16:21 < eightballx> wow, i have been away for a week and so much has changed!
16:21 < aegray> whats changed?
16:21 < aegray> not that much
16:22 < eightballx> poweer meter, usb detection , poddraw saves!
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16:22 < Troy^> how do i get linux to boot lol
16:22 < ScOrPiO-P> Troy^ try holding the next button down when u c apple logo
16:22 < ScOrPiO-P> with hold off
16:22 < aegray> Troy^: what gne ipod?
16:22 < eightballx> menu transition themes
16:22 < aegray> gen*
16:22 < aegray> yea!
16:22 < aegray> sliding menus!
16:23 < Troy^> ok i held forawrd button for like 10secs and now its frozen on the apple logo im running a 4th gen 4gb ipod mini
16:23 < eightballx> hold backward
16:23 < aegray> do you see the penguin?
16:23 < Troy^> no
16:23 < eightballx> you might not be using the right ipodloader
16:23 < aegray> Ok theres your problem
16:23 < aegray> your on a 2g mini
16:23 < aegray> you need an updated version
16:23 < Troy^> no 4gb
16:24 < eightballx> i dont see the penguin anymoree but it still boots!
16:24 < aegray> does it have the size on the back?
16:24 < Troy^> 4gb
16:24 < aegray> on the back does it say 4gb?
16:24 < aegray> does it say it on the back of the ipod?
16:24 < Troy^> yes'
16:24 < aegray> its a 2g mini then
16:24 < Troy^> it says 4gb
16:24 < eightballx> i have a mini2
16:24 < aegray> you need an updated loader.bin, kernel.bin and podzilla
16:24 < aegray> 4gb = 2g mini 4 giga bytes
16:24 < aegray> god
16:24 < Troy^> oh lol
16:25 < Troy^> where do i get the upodated files
16:25 < aegray> maybe somebody has them
16:25 < hyarion> <
16:25 < eightballx> i have them all
16:25 < Troy^> could someone please send them to me please and thank you
16:25 < Troy^> :)
16:25 < eightballx> DCC?
16:26 < Troy^> sure
16:26 < eightballx> i will send you my entire installer folder that works on a mini2g
16:26 < Troy^> ok sure
16:26 < Troy^> then
16:28 < eightballx> i ma just raring it
16:28 < eightballx> can the ipod charge while in iPL now?
16:28 < Troy^> ok
16:28 < aegray> 8bx: it always could
16:28 < Troy^> well im in the applefirmware right now
16:28 < eightballx> i didnt know it could?
16:29 < Troy^> i dont think it chareges while in apple logo though
16:29 < aegray> try it out 8bx
16:29 < aegray> tias
16:30 < Troy^> so i just run the isntaller and it ahs the latest stuff that will work on my 2g ipod
16:30 < eightballx> when i put in usb cable and the popup comes up my ipod froze :( thiese new features are really buggy!
16:30 < eightballx> yes
16:30 < aegray> ok removing them
16:31 < Troy^> eightballx is the installer ur sending me the latest podzilla and kernel to work on the 2g for sure?
16:31 < eightballx> and when i try to open poddraw saved files it craps out
16:31 < eightballx> yep
16:32 < eightballx> ahhh
16:32 < eightballx> dont remove power features!
16:32 < aegray> if they're buggy i have to
16:32 < eightballx> they're not buggy it was ust weird the first ime
16:32 < eightballx> it works now
16:32 < aegray> you sure?
16:32 < eightballx> yep
16:32 < aegray> i can commit this and just make it a build option
16:32 < aegray> i don't want podzilla freezing
16:32 < eightballx> wanna see a video?
16:32 < aegray> sure
16:33 < eightballx> ill make one now
16:33 < aegray> i was just going to remove the usb thing
16:33 < eightballx> dont
16:33 < aegray> to be only there if you do make USB=1
16:33 < eightballx> well you can
16:34 < eightballx> sorry if i sounded commanding
16:34 < aegray> is it causing freezes or no?
16:35 < eightballx> no[e
16:35 < eightballx> it did the first time but works perfectly now
16:35 < aegray> if it does again, tell me
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16:35 < aegray> i need to take it out if its causing problems
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16:42 < bobjohnso> heya fellas: fyi:
16:42 < bobjohnso> i've been messing with installing on the 4g, using the installer for windows.
16:42 < bobjohnso> just keep getting the folder exclamation
16:42 < aegray> 4g installer or regular installer?
16:43 < aegray> theres a separate 4g installer
16:43 < bobjohnso> ah, good call
16:43 < bobjohnso> where do i get that?
16:43 < aegray> becuase if you look at the topic..you'll know why
16:43 < bobjohnso> oh yeah
16:43 < aegray> probably...the website
16:43 < bobjohnso> i'll go look thx
16:43 < Troy^> wtf my ipod booted linux then i got a whole bunch of text and went exitting err 1
16:43 < aegray> you didn't copy the files right
16:43 < Troy^> what are u talking about
16:43 < aegray> you have to copy some stuff to the ipod before running the installer
16:44 < aegray> there's directions on the website
16:44 < aegray> for installing with the 4g installer
16:44 < aegray> you copy some files to the ipod first
16:44 < bobjohnso> duh, down at the bottom, my bad.
16:44 < aegray> yep
16:44 < Troy^> i already ahev those files on there
16:44 < Troy^> from the first install
16:44 < aegray> it overwrites - you have to do it again
16:45 < aegray> and have a new start file again
16:45 < bobjohnso> cool
16:46 < eightballx> can you accept DCC or shall i upload the video to my server?
16:46 < Troy^> o i need to recopy the files over
16:46 < aegray> you can try dcc
16:46 < Troy^> that are form 4gipl.zip
16:46 < aegray> yes troy
16:46 < bobjohnso> i'll let you know! thanks!
16:46 < Troy^> theh run ur installer
16:46 < aegray> the podzilla and stuff
16:46 < aegray> and start file
16:46 < aegray> cool bobjohnso
16:46 < bobjohnso> thanks a lot!
16:46 < aegray> yep
16:46 < bobjohnso> man, i wish i knew more about hardware programming so i could help
16:47 < bobjohnso> that shit is like voodoo to me
16:47 < bobjohnso> i'm a web software dev
16:47 < bobjohnso> ;)
16:47 < eightballx> the vid is dodgy, made with a webcam!
16:47 < aegray> its cool
16:47 < aegray> haha - theres always time to learn!
16:47 < bobjohnso> right!
16:48 < aegray> or...if you want to write something fun that might relate to webdav,
16:48 < aegray> i got a project for you
16:48 < bobjohnso> i might be interested
16:48 < aegray> you know perl?
16:48 < eightballx> i might update vipodzilla w/ latest CVS for ZSK
16:48 < bobjohnso> i could learn it, pretty much getting into the unix side a lot more lately
16:48 < aegray> can i grab source for that 8bx?
16:48 < eightballx> vipodzilla?
16:48 < aegray> yea - i just want the game sources
16:49 < eightballx> sure
16:49 < aegray> bobjohnso: i want a bot that i can issue commands to in this irc room
16:49 < bobjohnso> hmmm
16:49 < aegray> i'll write the actual logic, i just haven't had time to build up a skeleton yet
16:49 < bobjohnso> that sounds kind of out of my league at the moment
16:49 < bobjohnso> hmm i could try though
16:50 < bobjohnso> i have to admit i'm a bit weak on the unix side of things
16:50 < bobjohnso> fscking windows stuff i support, but a linux geek at heart.
16:50 < bobjohnso> still learning though
16:50 < aegray> its not really unix specific
16:50 < bobjohnso> i'd be up for giving it a whirl
16:50 < aegray> cool!
16:50 < bobjohnso> that's the way to learn, right!?!?
16:51 < aegray> thanks 8bx
16:51 < aegray> def is
16:51 < eightballx> np
16:51 < eightballx> think it is worth updating vipodzilla for ZSK?
16:51 < aegray> to cvs?
16:51 < eightballx> with CVS
16:51 < aegray> whats added to vi? just some games?
16:51 < _KDE> eightballx: definately
16:52 < eightballx> vipodzilla has text support and loadsa new games and stuff
16:52 < eightballx> it would b quite hard but ill start now!
16:52 < bobjohnso> so i guess where would you like me to start?
16:53 < aegray> look into writing a basic parser - one that just takes a string which will be an irc PRIVMSG command
16:54 < eightballx> have you looked into a plugin to an irc client to send certain messages (commands) at a certain time?
16:54 < eightballx> it would be alot simpler
16:54 < aegray> yea - i only know how to for xchat
16:54 < aegray> i'm thinking if he writes this in perl, i can just send his script strings from the plugin
16:55 < aegray> and get the result of what to send back
16:55 < eightballx> yeh
16:55 < aegray> karmabot!
16:55 < aegray> jk
16:55 < eightballx> brb booting into linux!
16:55 < bobjohnso> lol
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17:00 < Izz^> Woah, I thought I'd missed loads of new stuff: "Created the console system..... Web rendering rewrite in progress". But it was for Tempest :)
17:02 < bobjohnso> alrighty, i'll look into that this afternoon after i get some work done
17:02 < aegray> cool
17:04 < BleuLlama> if you're making an irc bot, you can also start with my perl irc bot skeleton...
17:04 < BleuLlama> just a thought
17:04 < aegray> yea true
17:05 < aegray> http://www.princessleia.com/view/gimmie.pl.html
17:06 < aegray> thats probably basically what we want
17:06 < aegray> except then i'll modify it to draw from either a database
17:06 < aegray> or some other datasource
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17:07 < BleuLlama> oooh, can it autokick when someone uses carets?
17:07 < aegray> thats what i'm thinking!
17:07 < aegray> haha
17:07 * aegray lunch bbiab
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17:10 < bobjohnso> lol, nice url
17:11 < ScOrPiO-P> is www.ipodlinux.org working
17:16 < _KDE> scorpio-p: yes
17:16 < _KDE> (at least for me ;)
17:17 < ScOrPiO-P> ok ty
17:18 < ScOrPiO-P> idk what happed must be me
17:22 < bobjohnso> well, that script looks pretty straightforward
17:22 < bobjohnso> i think i see what you're getting at
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18:06 < eightballx> hey KDE
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18:07 < eightballx> i am having trouble updating vipodzilla to match CVS
18:08 < ScOrPiO-P> im ipod crash when play music in Podzilla and none of the buttons work
18:08 < ScOrPiO-P> my*
18:08 < ScOrPiO-P> crashed*
18:09 < ScOrPiO-P> now it will not restart
18:10 < ScOrPiO-P> oh nvm it works now
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18:14 < bobjohnso> aegray: i should get a sec this afternoon to take a look at that perl stuff, i got booted before, or something
18:21 < aegray> cool
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18:51 < BleuLlama> FUCKING
18:51 < BleuLlama> HATE
18:51 < BleuLlama> CYGWIN
18:51 < aegray> why?
18:51 < aegray> why are you using it?
18:52 < BleuLlama> have to for work
18:52 < BleuLlama> it tries to make things unix like, but doesn't completely succeed
18:52 < aegray> yea it fails a lot
18:52 < aegray> i never really liked it except for its X-windows
18:52 < BleuLlama> it makes it just off enough to make it really fucking frustrating to use
18:52 < aegray> haha
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19:15 < Ranok> hello all
19:17 < Ranok> anyone home?
19:17 < corpix> hi Ranok
19:18 < corpix> i tried downloading this kernel: http://www.ipodlinux.org/2005-07-21-kernel.bin.gz , but it leads me to a page ?!?! :
19:18 < corpix> 2005-07-21-kernel.bin.gz
19:18 < corpix> From wikiPodLinux
19:18 < corpix> (There is currently no text in this page)
19:18 < corpix> weird
19:20 < Ranok> hmmmm
19:20 < corpix> wget -qO- http://www.ipodlinux.org/2005-07-21-kernel.bin.gz | head -n 1
19:20 < corpix>
19:20 < corpix> huh ?
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19:20 < corpix> lucklily i didnt install "that kernel" to the ipod ;)
19:22 < Ranok> lol
19:23 < Ranok> I dunno how it would work
19:23 < Ranok> I don't think that it would understand xhtml
19:23 < corpix> http://www.ipodlinux.org/builds/ seems to work, but http://www.ipodlinux.org/nightlys obviously has a link problem
19:25 < Ranok> a word of advice
19:25 < Ranok> never use the command 'passwd'
19:25 < _KDE> yeah /builds is now on ipodlinux.org and no longer on david.carne.ca
19:26 < davidc__> Ranok - huh?
19:26 < davidc__> Ranok - whats wrong with passwd?
19:27 < aegray> i love passwd
19:27 < davidc__> yeah, its a great command
19:27 < corpix> does the new kernel still eat up the battery power ?
19:27 < davidc__> especially when logged into someone else comp as root :D
19:27 < corpix> hows powermanagement going ?
19:28 < davidc__> corpix - its running around on fire.
19:28 < corpix> hehe, no really ...
19:28 < aegray> mines on fire right now
19:28 < corpix> ok, i got it ...
19:29 < corpix> now serious
19:29 < aegray> up - it blew up
19:29 < aegray> shit
19:29 * aegray gets a fire extinguisher
19:29 < aegray> so...yes
19:29 < corpix> aegray: hurry man
19:30 < corpix> if you dont find anyting extinguishing, just pee on your ipod
19:30 < corpix> its about death and life, hurry
19:32 < corpix> hehe, this channel is funny, if you gonna ask something ppl start to pussy-foot around as a first step
19:33 < aegray> damn straight!
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19:33 < davidc__> nah, we just answer any questions on progress with whatever we feel like.
19:33 < aegray> amen
19:34 < corpix> i know
19:34 < aegray> any web developers in here?
19:34 < davidc__> because we really don't give a hell if we're getting stuff done fast enough for all your appetites.
19:34 < davidc__> aegray: I've done a teeny bit... why?
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19:34 < aegray> i need a way to specify something that will appear at the end of a table, but define it at the start to go below the table
19:35 < davidc__> huh?!
19:35 < aegray> a hack to make a shitty docgen engine work
19:35 < aegray> :/
19:35 < davidc__> so you want to put something after a table
19:35 < aegray> like this stuff goes after
but the stuff has to go after
19:35 < davidc__> but you need to write it to the file first?
19:35 < aegray> yep
19:36 < davidc__> ah, just use a bit of javascript
19:36 < aegray> can't use javascript
19:36 < aegray> it has to be fed into word
19:36 < davidc__> ah...
19:36 < davidc__> hahahahahhhahahahahaha
19:36 < aegray> haha thanks
19:36 * aegray kills himself
19:36 < davidc__> word doesn't parse CSS properly IIRC?
19:36 < aegray> i'm not sure - but how would i do that with css?
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19:36 < davidc__> so good luck anyways :P... umm.. no way I really know.
19:37 < aegray> haha
19:37 < aegray> thanks
19:37 < davidc__> theoretically you could do something with positionings, but .. yech.
19:37 < aegray> especially since its dynamically generated and i can't use variables, i don't know the positions
19:37 < aegray> :/
19:37 < davidc__> I was thinking the old document.getElementByID("x").innerHTML trick, but that won't work...
19:37 < [1]Ranok> I'm back :)
19:37 < aegray> yea - with javascript i'd have it done already
19:38 < [1]Ranok> I can help
19:39 < davidc__> then do so.
19:39 < [1]Ranok> whats the problem?
19:40 < aegray> hold on one sec
19:40 < [1]Ranok> kk
19:41 < davidc__> scroll ^
19:41 < [1]Ranok> I was disconnected
19:41 < [1]Ranok> changing subnet
19:41 < aegray> http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/
19:41 < davidc__> ah, I don't see chan part/join messages in podzilla
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19:41 < aegray> the log for today has no date on it
19:41 < davidc__> er, chatzilla
19:41 < aegray> or i'll restate it in like 2 mins
19:42 < [1]Ranok> it seem to
19:42 < [1]Ranok> wait
19:42 < [1]Ranok> sry
19:43 < aegray> ok hold on
19:43 < aegray> aegray i need a way to specify something that will appear at the end of a table, but define it at the start to go below the table
19:43 < [1]Ranok> well, whats wrong with passwd - you can't see what letter's your picking, so you effectivily lock your self out
19:43 < aegray> you have to enter it 2x to make sure you don't do that
19:45 < [1]Ranok> on the ipod
19:45 < [1]Ranok> I'm talking about
19:45 < aegray> why would you use passwd on the ipod??
19:45 < aegray> hahaha
19:45 < [1]Ranok> thats what I was talking about
19:45 < aegray> you can just edit the passwd file when its mounted again
19:45 < aegray> to fix that
19:45 < [1]Ranok> and login does weird stuff
19:45 < [1]Ranok> anywho
19:45 < aegray> also, when do you ever have to login?
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19:46 < [1]Ranok> define('AFTERTABLE', "i like being after the table");
19:46 < aegray> where do you put that?
19:46 < [1]Ranok> whereever
19:46 < [1]Ranok> in PHP XD
19:46 < aegray> yea this aint php
19:46 < aegray> haha
19:47 < aegray> that would be nice
19:47 < davidc__> er, ranok.. then you would just use $AFTERTABLE to get it
19:47 < davidc__> so rather than use a define...
19:47 < [1]Ranok> oh
19:47 < [1]Ranok> well, whatever
19:47 < davidc__> $AFTERTABLE = "i like being after the table";
19:47 < davidc__> then just use as normal :P
19:48 < aegray> gah... stupid company
19:49 < [1]Ranok> lol
19:50 < davidc__> eh, I think its impossible
19:51 < davidc__> why no just fix the docgen tool
19:51 < aegray> its in ejb's and it'll take some convincing to get the source
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19:51 < aegray> but yes.. thats what i'm doing now
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19:56 < BleuLlama> i need a two-wire firewire cable. heh
19:57 < davidc__> ejbs?
19:57 < aegray> Enterprise Java Beans
19:57 < aegray> its like the backend running on a server in java enterprise
19:57 < davidc__> disassemble - hex edit -run ;)
19:58 < aegray> haha
19:58 < davidc__> eh, java disassembly isn't that bad
19:58 < Eko> lol.
19:58 < davidc__> you get most of the source back pretty well
19:58 < Eko> its laughable.
19:58 < davidc__> Eko - depends
19:58 < aegray> no its not, but i'm pretty sure that giving recompiled code from disaseembly wouldn't go over too well with the boss
19:58 < davidc__> aegray: haha
19:59 < Eko> davidc__, as long as it hasn't been obfuscated, its pretty easy.
19:59 < davidc__> Eko - yeah, I know.
19:59 < Eko> some people even compile with debugging, in which case you can get variable names within functions, line numbers, and sometimes even *comments*
19:59 < davidc__> Eko - I've done it many more times than once :P
19:59 < Eko> so've I.
19:59 < aegray> haha
19:59 < Eko> my java teacher wasn't very smart.
20:00 < Eko> I turned in his exact source, and he gave me a B because I didn't do it right.
20:00 < davidc__> Eko: hahaha... some people di dthat with the sample application at school.
20:00 < davidc__> they all failed.
20:00 < davidc__> my teacher knew exactly how easy it was to decompile java :P
20:00 < Eko> lol.
20:00 < Eko> my teacher didn't.
20:01 < Eko> but then again, he also got fired for slamming a student's fingers in his locker twice.
20:01 < Eko> so yeah.
20:01 < aegray> um....
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20:02 < davidc__> umm....
20:03 * aegray creeped out
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20:06 < Shady716> I just installed 2005-7-21podzilla to my 4g ipod & podzilla started the first time but after I restarted my ipod into apples OS I cant get podzila to boot..It just keeps going into apples OS
20:06 < aegray> press rewind when you reboot
20:06 < aegray> hold it
20:07 < Shady716> I did but it just seems like my ipod goes to sleep & comes back on in the same spot it was when I turned it off
20:07 < aegray> back on in the same spot?
20:07 < aegray> how are you rebooting?
20:07 < Shady716> yes
20:08 < aegray> how are you rebooting?
20:08 < Shady716> by holding down the play button
20:08 < aegray> hahahaa
20:08 < aegray> thats the sleep button
20:08 < Pokeon> hahahahahahaha
20:08 < Shady716> :)
20:08 < aegray> hold menu+center
20:08 < Shady716> ha
20:08 < Shady716> you da man
20:08 < aegray> haha
20:08 < Shady716> also..the audio dont play right
20:09 < aegray> in podzilla?
20:09 < Shady716> it sounds slow & messed up
20:09 < aegray> what bitrate mp3s?
20:09 < Shady716> dik
20:09 < aegray> dik?
20:09 < Shady716> good
20:09 < Shady716> I have about 25gb of mp3s
20:09 < aegray> did you update the kernel too? not just podzilla?
20:09 < Shady716> I dont know = idk
20:10 < aegray> you had dik thats why idk
20:10 < Shady716> I prolly didnt
20:10 < Shady716> ya
20:10 < Shady716> sorry
20:10 < aegray> new kernel is faster
20:10 < aegray> and plays music better :)
20:10 < Shady716> do I just use podzilla updater
20:10 < aegray> no follow the instructions on the website
20:10 < Shady716> I installed all the new stuff
20:10 < aegray> something about installing nightlys
20:10 < Shady716> ya
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20:11 < Shady716> I got the one from july 21st
20:11 < aegray> just the podzilla?
20:11 < Shady716> idk
20:11 < Shady716> yes
20:11 < aegray> you need to do both - kernel and podzilla from http://www.ipodlinux.org/builds/
20:13 < Shady716> ok I got the kernel now
20:13 < aegray> install it
20:13 < Shady716> do I uninstall everything
20:13 < aegray> yea
20:13 < Shady716> ok
20:13 < Shady716> thanks for your help
20:13 < aegray> yep
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20:14 < aegray> hell be back
20:14 < Eko> you have to uninstall the old kernel before you install a new one?
20:14 < aegray> no
20:14 < Eko> oh, phew.
20:14 < aegray> but i don't feel like dealing with him
20:14 < Eko> lol.
20:14 * Eko was about to update his fw.
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20:15 < Ranok> ummmm, have any of you fooled around with the video player?
20:15 < aegray> i've "fooled" around with it
20:16 < aegray> hehe
20:16 < aegray> its a big piece of shit
20:16 < aegray> whoever wrote it should be hung and pegged with rocks
20:16 < Ranok> it just loads and loads
20:16 < Eko> video player on the iPod...
20:16 < Ranok> for ever
20:16 < Eko> that ought to be interesting, since it can only do integral math...
20:16 < aegray> did you convert right?
20:16 < aegray> Eko - try it out
20:17 < aegray> wait - my new one - tias
20:17 < Eko> I have a 3G
20:17 * Eko cruises over to the nightly builds.
20:17 < Pokeon> aegray, new video player?
20:17 < Ranok> I htink so
20:18 < Ranok> ummmm
20:18 < Ranok> can I use yankeezilla with the new kernel?
20:18 < Pokeon> yup
20:19 < Ranok> sweet
20:20 < aegray> No - no new one yet
20:21 < aegray> i love people like echo who discount things before even thinking about it
20:21 < aegray> eko*
20:22 < Eko> aegray, you know, i'd love to try out a video player, but i'd need (a) time, (b) a video, and (c) space on my harddrive to fit everything, and since i'm down to 87k of free space...
20:22 < aegray> bahah
20:23 < Eko> 86k now, since podzilla is another k bigger.
20:23 < aegray> how is that possible
20:23 < aegray> how much music do you have?
20:24 < BleuLlama> blow away any temp file, and try it out.
20:24 < Eko> normalperson, harddrive on my computer.
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20:24 < Eko> *no
20:24 < aegray> what?
20:24 < Ranok> ok
20:24 < Eko> my computer harddrive is what is running out of space, not my iPod.
20:24 < Ranok> which do you think is better, nightly podzilla
20:24 < aegray> normalperson?
20:24 < Ranok> or release of yankeezilla?
20:24 < BleuLlama> you must be using some sort of awesome OS, since every OS i've ever used freaks out when it has less than a few hundred k of space on the drive.
20:24 < aegray> yea i know
20:25 < Eko> aegray, if I start out "no," it completes it thinking i'm adressing a nick.
20:25 < aegray> oh
20:25 < Ranok> hmmm?
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20:25 < aegray> oh cool - never knew that
20:25 < Shady716> where do I pit the kernel BIN file
20:25 < Shady716> put*
20:25 < Ranok> rtfm
20:25 < aegray> hahaha
20:25 < Ranok> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Windows_nightly_build_installation
20:26 < Ranok> but whats better, podzilla nightly, or yankeezilla
20:26 < Ranok> ?
20:26 < aegray> Shady716: in the installer directory - replace linux.bin with it
20:26 < aegray> podzilla nightly is more stable
20:26 < aegray> yankeezilla has more features
20:26 < Ranok> hmmmmm
20:26 < aegray> but they aren't all tested and some have bugs
20:26 < aegray> which is why they aren't in podzilla yet
20:27 < Shady716> ya TY
20:27 < Eko> what features does it have?
20:27 < aegray> read the yankeezilla page
20:27 < Eko> notable ones
20:27 < aegray> some games and textinput
20:27 < Eko> k
20:27 < Eko> I will read the page once I get back into graphics.
20:28 < BleuLlama> which you can't do with 86k free
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20:28 < aegray> haha
20:28 < aegray> true
20:28 < Eko> BleuLlama, different machine.
20:28 < Eko> thats the mac that has almost no space left.
20:28 < Eko> my linux box has plenty of space for graphics.
20:28 < Eko> its got a whole 500k free.
20:29 < aegray> Eko: hahahahahahha
20:29 < BleuLlama> wait. your mac runs OS X and has 86k free?
20:29 < aegray> Eko: get a new harddrive
20:29 < BleuLlama> (assuming the OS X thing)
20:29 < aegray> os 2.1
20:29 < Eko> BleuLlama, if you can call this "running" then yeah
20:29 < Eko> its slow as hell.
20:29 < BleuLlama> that's impossible. OS X doesn't run with less than a around 50mb free on your disk
20:30 < BleuLlama> you lose system settings, things get unstable.
20:30 * aegray Eko liar
20:30 < BleuLlama> been there. you're not there.
20:30 < BleuLlama> but i'll tell you where you're about to be....
20:30 < Eko> hahaha, like forgetting dock size?
20:30 < Eko> losing backgrounds?
20:30 < Eko> iTunes telling you it can't save the library?
20:31 < Eko> taking minutes to switch between running applications?
20:31 < Eko> loginwindow spontanously logging you out?
20:33 < Eko> oh, and then there's the little fact that sometimes when I log out, it drops my OS X box into console mode.
20:33 < aegray> theres console mode?
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20:37 < Eko> aegray, it runs a BSD base, so when quartz dies and loginwindow isn't able to start it up, you get a BSD-style console login.
20:37 < aegray> cool
20:37 < aegray> i want it
20:37 < Eko> you can also cheat to get into it by typing >console as your login name and an empty password at an OS X login prompt.
20:37 < Eko> it drops you into console mode with a console login prompt.
20:37 < aegray> nice
20:37 * aegray will try this
20:38 < Eko> it scares the hell out of stupid (especially windows) sysadmins.
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20:38 < gromit``> hello
20:40 < aegray> gromit``: hello
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20:41 < Eko> I really need to figure out what the heck I have saved on that machine, it just locked up when i plugged in my iPod.
20:42 * Eko does the classic `du -sk ~/* | tee filesize.txt`
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20:52 < Eko> hey, does the battery stuff work now in iPL?
20:52 < aegray> battery meter does
20:52 < Eko> sweet.
20:52 < aegray> battery saving doesnt
20:52 < Eko> lol.
20:52 < Eko> yeah yeah.
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21:26 < ScOrPiO-P> dose sound work 4 video
21:27 < aegray> i'm not even going to answer your sentence that hurts my head
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21:27 < ScOrPiO-P> oh it still dont work then
21:28 < aegray> ScOrPiO-P: its just not enabled
21:28 * aegray plays video with sound
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21:30 < Vanquisher> aegray, :|
21:30 < ScOrPiO-P> how do i turn it on play video with sound or what cmd do uset to convet a clip with sound
21:30 < ScOrPiO-P> use*
21:30 < aegray> you have to reprogram something in the kernel
21:30 < Vanquisher> aegray, u fixed it?
21:31 < Vanquisher> ah
21:31 < Vanquisher> yea thats right
21:31 < ScOrPiO-P> can u send me the kernel bin then
21:31 < Vanquisher> aegray, u fixed that like what yesterday?
21:31 < aegray> yep :)
21:31 < Vanquisher> right, i remember that
21:31 < Vanquisher> heh
21:31 < aegray> ScOrPiO-P: its not in cvs yet
21:31 < Vanquisher> spaced out in the beginning
21:31 < Vanquisher> lol
21:32 < aegray> so i can't send you anything yet
21:32 < Vanquisher> exactly
21:32 < ScOrPiO-P> ok np will wait can't be long
21:32 < Vanquisher> ScOrPiO-P, dunno takes days sometimes
21:33 < ScOrPiO-P> oh ok
21:33 < BleuLlama> aegray: that movie i was trying out before works now. i had the conversion format wrong. looks and sounds great! nice job!
21:33 < BleuLlama> :D
21:33 < aegray> :)
21:33 < Vanquisher> :)
21:33 < Vanquisher> yeah i watched a live concert
21:34 < Vanquisher> !
21:34 < Vanquisher> rules!
21:34 < Vanquisher> aegray, how did u come across the fix
21:35 < aegray> just had to change up some stuff - a thread or two
21:35 < Vanquisher> cool coo
21:35 < Vanquisher> l
21:36 < ScOrPiO-P> what the cmd to convert a clip with sound 4 mplayer
21:36 < Vanquisher> mplaer?...
21:36 < Vanquisher> player*
21:36 < aegray> -oac pcm
21:36 < aegray> and don't use the -nosound
21:36 < Vanquisher> exactly
21:36 < ScOrPiO-P> so where say -nosound i put -oac pcm
21:37 < aegray> sure
21:37 < ScOrPiO-P> cool ty
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21:44 < ScOrPiO-P> is there a way to play ipod video in windows xp
21:45 < aegray> if its converted for the photo, windows media player should be able to
21:45 < aegray> but i dunno
21:45 < ScOrPiO-P> ok it will try it
21:46 < ScOrPiO-P> dont work
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21:46 < ScOrPiO-P> i need RGB codec
21:47 < Troy^> is there a program to view images in black and white on my mini
21:47 < bomg31> you need a codec/player that can decode the raw video, i thought VLC could do it, but it doesn't look that way
21:47 < aegray> Troy^: yes
21:47 < Troy^> is it a program that needs to be added or is it already with linux
21:47 < aegray> we'll build a plugin at some point
21:48 < aegray> Troy^: its in there already - open an image from the filebrowser
21:48 < aegray> open any .jpg or .gif or .bmp (i think)
21:49 < Troy^> well the pictures are on my ipod in a folder called storage and the filebrowser doesnt show filebrowser
21:49 < ScOrPiO-P> Troy go here http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1220
21:49 < aegray> the filebrowser doesn't show filebrowser eh?
21:49 < ScOrPiO-P> there is pic that u can try
21:49 < Eko> aegray: it also opens pixmaps doesn't it?
21:49 < BleuLlama> i should add in ppm image loading to the filebrowser
21:49 < aegray> Eko: no clue
21:50 < aegray> BleuLlama: yea!
21:50 < BleuLlama> so that you can actually look at the images you created in pod draw. heh
21:51 < ScOrPiO-P> just copy them any on ur ipod and open image from the filebrowser
21:51 < ScOrPiO-P> any where*
21:53 * BleuLlama afk
21:53 < Troy^> i guess the images have to be on the main directory on the ipod then right
21:53 < Troy^> because the folder storage wont show up in the file browser
21:55 < Troy^> still not showing my pics
21:55 < ScOrPiO-P> make a folder images in main directory on the ipod and put the images in there
21:56 < Troy^> ok
21:56 < ScOrPiO-P> then go to file browser then HP then images
21:58 < aegray> Troy^: is the folder on the windows ipod drive?
21:58 < Troy^> yea
21:58 < aegray> Troy^: goto in filebrowser->mnt/
21:59 < aegray> Troy^: is there anything in there?
21:59 < Troy^> ah there we go lol
22:00 < Troy^> its taking forever to load the images ah there we go
22:01 < Troy^> wow bad contraqst
22:01 < aegray> fix it
22:02 < Troy^> images arent the best on an ipod mini lol
22:02 < aegray> Troy^: ya think...
22:02 < Troy^> haha.. can u have a background or screensaver
22:02 < aegray> not yet
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22:05 < ScOrPiO-P>
22:05 < ScOrPiO-P> MPlayer Windows GUI
22:05 < aegray> there you go
22:05 < ScOrPiO-P> sounds gd
22:05 < Troy^> damn i wish i could have a screensaver
22:05 < aegray> Troy^: make one
22:07 < Troy^> how is that for the ipod?
22:07 < aegray> Troy^: how is what?
22:07 < Troy^> how do u make a screensaver for a ipod
22:08 < aegray> you write one
22:08 < Troy^> like the matrix one
22:08 < Troy^> ?
22:08 < Ranok> ummmmm
22:08 < aegray> yea
22:08 < ScOrPiO-P> found out how to play ipod video on windows
22:09 < ScOrPiO-P> MPlayer Windows GUI
22:09 < bomg31> really? how ScOrPiO-P
22:09 < Ranok> heh
22:09 < bomg31> ah good point, i didn't even think of that, lol
22:09 < ScOrPiO-P> look here http://www.stahuj.cz/multimedia/multimedialni_prehravace/mplayer-windows-gui/
22:09 < bomg31> kk
22:09 < Troy^> ok how do i go about doing that i wanna make one that comes up after inactivity or whatever i just want it to be a single picture thats all
22:10 < bomg31> Troy^, that would require editing the main "timer" type of code (that's not really what it is, but you would have to always been looking for inactivity, which require changes to the core code
22:10 < Troy^> oh lol
22:10 < aegray> changes in pz.c
22:11 < bomg31> yeah
22:11 < bomg31> what he ^ said, lol
22:12 < Troy^> hmm
22:12 < Troy^> alright linux is pretty cool lol
22:12 < Ranok> well, that was colse
22:12 < Ranok> close
22:13 < ScOrPiO-P> MPlayer Windows GUI IS cool
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22:14 < Troy^> is there a way to switch that it automatically boots to linux without reinstalling it
22:14 < ScOrPiO-P> nope
22:14 < bomg31> nope
22:14 < bomg31> heh
22:14 < Ranok> I thought I killed my ipod
22:15 < Ranok> would boot to the loader, then reboot
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22:15 < Troy^> lol
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22:19 < Eko> how'd you fix it ranok?
22:19 < Eko> disk mode?
22:19 < ScOrPiO-P> can i add all the games to podzilla game menu
22:19 < aegray> no
22:19 < ScOrPiO-P> Okie Dokie
22:20 < Eko> bleh.
22:20 < Eko> pothead mIRC script.
22:20 < aegray> seriously
22:20 -!- johny5 is now known as aegray_
22:20 < ScOrPiO-P> just Addon sorry
22:20 < Ranok> eko: yes
22:20 < Eko> you missed the point ScOrPiO-P, I was complaining about the mIRC part more than the PoThEaD or script part.
22:21 < bomg31> ok so i'm having a sort of issue
22:21 < Eko> as opposed to a real issue.
22:21 < bomg31> exaclty, lol my 40gb photo will not boot up with anything but the June 9th 05 kernel
22:21 < davidc__> ScOrPiO-P: What did I say about colors?!?!
22:21 < Eko> lol.
22:21 < Eko> davidc__, no +c mode?
22:21 < bomg31> anything but that will cause it to stick on the apple logo and go no futher
22:21 < Eko> or +C even.
22:22 < davidc__> Eko - there could theoretically be a valid reason for colors at some point
22:22 * Eko tries to think of the last time he has seen a necessity for color
22:22 < ScOrPiO-P> i have truned it now sorry hop it dont do it now
22:22 < davidc__> and making unreadable text is not a valid reaon.
22:22 * admiralfrijole is with Eko on this one
22:22 < Eko> I can't think of any and i've been on IRC for.... at least seven years now
22:23 < davidc__> heh.. fine, I'll put it on :)
22:23 < Eko> thanks
22:23 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+c ] by davidc__
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22:23 < aegray> davidc__ but then CIA loses its colors!
22:23 < aegray> nooooo!
22:23 < aegray> haha
22:23 < davidc__> damnit
22:23 < Eko> does dancer have +C? or +S? whatever strip colors is?
22:23 < davidc__> I knew there was a reason
22:23 < davidc__> whats the difference between +C and +c ?
22:24 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-c ] by davidc__
22:24 < Eko> davidc__, depends what IRCd, +C (or +S) strips colors instead of blocking messages with colors
22:24 < davidc__> I don't want to remove the cool cia colors
22:24 < davidc__> that's a good use
22:24 < Eko> cia?
22:24 < aegray> CIA = cvs commit log bot
22:24 < davidc__> it prints CVS updates to the chan
22:24 < Eko> lol.
22:24 < Eko> thats awesome.
22:24 < Eko> where is it?
22:24 < Eko> oh
22:24 < Eko> CIA-4
22:25 < Eko> how often does that happen?
22:25 < Eko> I think i've seen it like, once
22:25 * Eko scrolls
22:25 < davidc__> eh, whenever someone commits :P
22:25 < Eko> lol.
22:25 * Eko goes off to eat lunch.
22:31 < bomg31> ok this kernel thing is really starting to "erk" me the wrong way
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22:32 < bomg31> anyone kno what would cause the boot process to hang on the apple logo
22:32 < aegray> whats wrong with it?
22:32 < bomg31> maybe the 6-26-05 apple update?
22:32 < aegray> you didn't do it right?
22:32 < aegray> what gen ipod?
22:32 < bomg31> ha, nice
22:32 < bomg31> its my 4g photo
22:32 < aegray> please. just say photo
22:32 < aegray> windows 4g installer?
22:32 < bomg31> sorry, i updated the kernel to the lastest nightly on my mini 2g and it seemed all was well
22:32 < bomg31> yeah i've tried 'em all
22:33 < aegray> ungziped right and replaced the files right and all?
22:33 < bomg31> hte 4gipl installer the simple-ipl from the forums and one other
22:33 < meatmanek> teehee.
22:33 < bomg31> yeah it all works when i install normally, but when i paste in the latest nightly as 'linux.bin' it screws up
22:33 < meatmanek> you know what the apple fw doesn't have?
22:33 < meatmanek> balance.
22:34 < bomg31> i wouldn't worry but i need the new kernel so video will play correctly
22:34 < aegray> and your replacing the linux.bin file right?
22:34 * aegray doubtful
22:35 < bomg31> yeah, i mean, i download the nightly kernel, delete the old linux.bin and paste inthe nightly and rename it "linux.bin" i'm no fan of windows but i'm pretty sure i'm doing that much right
22:35 < aegray> are you gunziping it?
22:36 < aegray> aegray_
22:36 < bomg31> yeah, i mean the file i paste in is DD-MM-YYYY-kernel.bin or w/e
22:36 < aegray> you download a .gz from the builds site
22:36 < aegray> you have to unzip that
22:36 * aegray thinks
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22:37 < bomg31> the only way i can get it to work normally is if i use the "simple-ipl" installer and the use the linux.bin that comes with that particular installer
22:37 < aegray> are you gunziping that file?
22:37 < bomg31> yes
22:37 < aegray> what are you using?
22:38 < bomg31> wait, would decompressing it using a different program cause the file to be created but not correctly?
22:38 < meatmanek> possibly
22:38 < aegray> maybe - i'm more trying to figure out if you decompressed it right
22:38 < meatmanek> I doubt it, but possible.
22:38 < meatmanek> possibly*
22:38 < aegray> because this happens - a lot*
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22:38 < bomg31> yeah i figured,i racked my brain searching through about 8 pages of forum threads
22:39 < meatmanek> so, answer the question and it might be easier to help
22:39 < ScOrPiO-P> i use winrar
22:39 < aegray> haha
22:39 < ScOrPiO-P> in xp
22:39 < bomg31> yeah i'm also using winrar in xp
22:40 < meatmanek> brb.
22:40 * Vanquisher hopes windows dies
22:41 < Vanquisher> bluescreen all of you heathens
22:41 < bomg31> yeah i'm not a huge fan right now
22:41 < Vanquisher> HEATHEN!
22:41 < Vanquisher> repent!
22:41 < Vanquisher> install linux on your computer
22:41 < ScOrPiO-P> renamed the 2005-07-21-kernel.bin to linux and put it in iPod Linux Installer Modded
22:41 < ScOrPiO-P> linux.bin
22:41 < ScOrPiO-P> imean
22:42 < ScOrPiO-P> folder
22:42 < bomg31> yeah that's exactly waht i'm doing
22:43 < bomg31> hang on i'm moving to my mac
22:43 * meatmanek can't wait until intel macs come out....
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22:44 < bomg31> ok so i'm determined to get this working
22:45 * meatmanek really wants to tri-boot.
22:45 < meatmanek> actually,
22:45 < meatmanek> only dual boot
22:45 < bomg31> ha, don't we all
22:45 < meatmanek> maybe tri-boot just to say that I have.
22:45 < bomg31> that'd be insane
22:45 < meatmanek> but dual-boot mac/linux running vmware or wine.
22:46 < meatmanek> ick....
22:46 < meatmanek> this is why I hate digitally imported.
22:47 < bomg31> ok here's one, could i get easier acess to installing the new kernel if i ran a livecd of linux on my windows box
22:47 < bomg31> like, would the livecd allow me to do this normally?, (i'm not to sure about what happens if i try to download files when running a live cd)
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22:48 < meatmanek> it keeps the file in RAM
22:48 < bomg31> ok, good then it'll work, lemme give that a god, then i can do this whole deal alot easier
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22:48 < bomg31> **gol
22:48 < bomg31> *go, dammit
22:48 < meatmanek> hahahah.
22:53 < Vanquisher> BLUESCREEN!
22:54 < ScOrPiO-P> I LIKE BLUESCREEN!
22:55 < ScOrPiO-P> on my ipod
22:57 < bomg31> ok so linux isn't detecting my ipod as being plugged in
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23:01 < BleuLlama> so... what should i work on tonight... getting PodDraw to save images properly, or a piezo beeper sequencer?
23:01 < aegray> piezo beeper!
23:01 * bomg31 agrees
23:01 * aegray wants ringtones for alarms
23:02 < bomg31> heck yea
23:02 < bomg31> i want my ipod to be the thing that goes off during the movie, lol
23:02 < aegray> haha
23:03 < bomg31> ok we're gunna give this whole kernel mess one more try, then i'm settingling for funked up video
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23:03 < bomg31> *setlling
23:07 < BleuLlama> caret i think
23:07 < BleuLlama> oops
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23:07 < BleuLlama> s/piezo beeper sequencer/piezo sequencer/ (redundant)
23:08 < bomg31> ok simple one, if anyone else here has a photo on windows, what installer did you use?
23:09 < aegray> 4g installer
23:09 < bomg31> "4gipl"?
23:09 < aegray> sure
23:10 < bomg31> yeah that's what i just tried and it was a no go
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23:11 < bomg31> sorry bout that, my mac kinda flipped out on me
23:11 < BleuLlama> that's what they're good at! HAHAHAHAHAHA
23:11 < BleuLlama> oh, you said 'mac'. nevermind
23:11 < bomg31> anyways, what we saying, oh yeah i hate windows
23:11 < bomg31> haha
23:11 < BleuLlama> i thought you said "Amiga"
23:12 < bomg31> man i think i have some condition that causes me to like think words but no type them
23:12 < bomg31> *not
23:12 < bomg31> see
23:12 * BleuLlama wonders if anyone here ever used an amiga regularly...
23:12 < bomg31> doubtful
23:12 < bomg31> i played with one once, my gf's dad had one
23:13 < bomg31> ok wait, will the 6-26-05 apple fw update cause problems with ipl on the photo?
23:14 < admiralfrijole> yes
23:14 < bomg31> that's what i suspected
23:14 < BleuLlama> nope. should be fine as long as you have the most recent kernel
23:14 < admiralfrijole> well then, disregard my answer :-p
23:14 < bomg31> that's the problem!!! grrrrrr it works with an OLD kernel but not a new one
23:15 < BleuLlama> i had a 60gb color working on that firmware last weekend
23:15 < BleuLlama> worked great
23:15 < bomg31> yeah i mean i can get it to work no problem, but when i update the kernel to anything but some obscure nightly from the 9th of june, it won't boot
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