--- Log opened Sun May 15 00:00:01 2005
00:01 < MaDsKiLLz> Deftochino, lame --decode file.mp3 - |  faac -o file.m4a -
00:01 < MaDsKiLLz> are the nightly kernel builds monolithic
00:01 < MaDsKiLLz> or must i get modules from somewhere else
00:02 < BleuLlama> why would you want to transcode lossy-compressed audio?  It'd only introduce more artifacts
00:02 < MaDsKiLLz> anyone please
00:02  * MaDsKiLLz prays his ipod doesnt reboot or anything of that matter
00:02 < MaDsKiLLz> since im halfway through my first install of ipod linux
00:02 < BleuLlama> it might work/  who knows.
00:03 < MaDsKiLLz> if it doesnt
00:03 < MaDsKiLLz> i cant always get back to disk mode and retry right ?
00:03 < Deftochino> MaDsKiLLz: tnx.
00:03 < BleuLlama> mad: hopefully.
00:03 < MaDsKiLLz> Deftochino, play with -q (quality)
00:03 < BleuLlama> deft: you're only gonna make your music sound worse.  go ahead
00:04 < Deftochino> yeah i know
00:04 < Deftochino> i would really have to rip the cds to m4a
00:04 < Deftochino> which i could if i had itunes running
00:04 < BleuLlama> just play the files in apple firmware.
00:04 < BleuLlama> no work, no glitches, power management, etc.
00:05 < Deftochino> yeah. but that isn't the point of having linux on it
00:05 < BleuLlama> not yet
00:05 < BleuLlama> without powere management, linux is more of a 'this is neat' factor than a usability factor
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00:05 < BleuLlama> you'll have to reboot to apple firmware anyway to put it to sleep
00:05 < Deftochino> yeah i notice
00:06 < Deftochino> s/notice/noticed/g
00:06 < Deftochino> and to use gtkpod to upload files it seems as well
00:11 < MaDsKiLLz> BAM
00:11 < MaDsKiLLz> how fucking sweet
00:12 < MaDsKiLLz> got it working first try
00:12 < MaDsKiLLz> never used ipod linux before and did it all from cvs (dont diss me i feel proud )
00:12 < Luke> =)
00:12 < Luke> when i first started CVS was the only way =)
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00:15 < MaDsKiLLz> ;p
00:15 < MaDsKiLLz> well im using ipod photo so cvs is the only way for me
00:16 < MaDsKiLLz> well at least i think so
00:16 < MaDsKiLLz> the thing that was scareing me was how i was partitioning it
00:16 < MaDsKiLLz> then i almost flashed my ipod but then i waited and read alittle and saw that i needed to use -3 with make_fw
00:16 < MaDsKiLLz> coulda gotten screwed right there
00:17 < Luke> hehehe
00:17 < Luke> how is it working now that you got it installed?
00:19 < MaDsKiLLz> sweet
00:19 < MaDsKiLLz> i love it
00:19 < MaDsKiLLz> i only installed it for the games ;p
00:19 < MaDsKiLLz> and for the experience
00:19 < MaDsKiLLz> since there is no audio driver
00:20 < MaDsKiLLz> and im not a good enough coder to contribute to the driver
00:20 < MaDsKiLLz> but i'll be more than happy to help test things out
00:20 < Luke> do you know if they still use the micro windows for the display?
00:21 < MaDsKiLLz> yes i think so
00:22 < Luke> i should get a photo and start developing for that
00:22 < Luke> The interface could be wicked with the color screen
00:23 < MaDsKiLLz> yea
00:23 < MaDsKiLLz> right now its still b/w but i was messing with the color matrix and color cube n shit
00:24 < Luke> yup yup
00:25 < MaDsKiLLz> heh
00:25 < MaDsKiLLz> i was just thinking
00:25 < MaDsKiLLz> what if you were to take podzilla and write a micro kernel for it
00:25 < MaDsKiLLz> so its basically a new os
00:25 < MaDsKiLLz> just podzilla
00:25 < MaDsKiLLz> liek a free ipod os
00:25 < MaDsKiLLz> so then you dont have the overhead of a linux kernel
00:26 < coob> and what overhead would that be
00:26 < coob> mr advanced kernel developer
00:26 < Luke> hehehe
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00:27 < Luke> why dont we just port hurd and mach to the ipod while we're at it =)
00:27 < MaDsKiLLz> ;p
00:34 < Luke> coob: what'cha workin on?
00:35 < coob> wondering why my spoken interface functions properly on the desktop but not ont he ipod
00:37 < Luke> =D
00:37 < Luke> spoken as in human speach?
00:37 < tonkajds_> works on mine, unless im missing something
00:38 < coob> luke yes, you really should read the forums more often
00:39 < coob> the dev ones anyway :)
00:39 < coob> tonkajds_: does it stop midway through items
00:39 < coob> ?
00:39 < tonkajds_> hasnt yet
00:39 < coob> see it does on the desktop :/
00:40 < Luke> coob: i skim i skim!
00:40 < tonkajds_> there is a audible click before each item is read but it works fine
00:40 < coob> yes thats the audio driver
00:41 < coob> i was thinking of a small daemon that instead of acting as a sound sserver like esd, it just controls who has the dsp
00:41 < tonkajds_> however you might want to change how it says: secs
00:41 < tonkajds_> i find it amusing thou
00:41 < coob> and maybe pases around teh dsp file handler
00:42 < coob> but that seems like an enormous kludge
00:42 < tonkajds_> ;)
00:44 < Luke> seems counter-expansive as well
00:44 < tonkajds_> one thing i noticed: when saying a file name that is all numbers, the first one it read off as: 5 million, 123thousand.... but hte secone set of numbers that i ran in it saw 6 digits and read them off as pairs
00:45 < coob> i'm not reeally concerned with minor issues like that at the moment
00:45 < tonkajds_> lol
00:47 < MaDsKiLLz> does anyone have stepmania working?
00:47 < coob> there was some half complete code that went into vipodzilla
00:48 < tonkajds_> :(
00:50 < MaDsKiLLz> yea
00:50 < MaDsKiLLz> i saw it in vipodzilla ( just installed it) but doesnt work
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00:52 < BleuLlama> something in vipodzilla doesn't work?  I don't believe it
00:52 < coob> haha
00:52 < coob> but vipodzilla is perfect!
00:52 < tonkajds_> no it cant be
00:52 < MaDsKiLLz> lol
00:52 < MaDsKiLLz> i got it to work
00:52 < MaDsKiLLz> no background
00:52 < MaDsKiLLz> but thats still sweet
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01:09 < aegray> thanks coob
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01:25 < BleuLlama> any of you have a titanium Powerbook G4?
01:26 < tonkajds_> sure
01:26 < tonkajds_> sometimes at least
01:27 < BleuLlama> well, i'm losing mine soon, and i have a handle i bought for it, which i'm going to sell,  if you want it for yours, i'll sell it to ya
01:30 < tonkajds_> definatly
01:30 < tonkajds_> how much and whre from?
01:30 < tonkajds_> where*
01:31 < BleuLlama> looks like this one: http://www.lindqvist.com/index.php?ID=1749
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01:52 < tonkajds_> :( wont fit
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02:19 < aegray> is the 4g screen 2 bits per pixel - ie 4 colors?
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04:49 < Yellow_Fu> hi
04:50 < Kurcz_> hey
04:51 < Kurcz_> anyone around?
04:51 < Tonka> sure
04:52 < Yellow_Fu> any developers around? i wanted to offer my help towards the project
04:53 < aegray> i'm not a dev but what do you want to do?
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07:18 < julz> hey, what does 1337 mean?
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07:20 < EvilDude> leet
07:20 < EvilDude>  = elite
07:23 < julz> oh, thanks. i saw Ipod_soliders post and was like wtf?
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08:52 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=13545#13545
08:52  * coob dies
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09:01 < helpneeded> anybody to help me
09:01 < helpneeded> please urgent
09:02 < helpneeded> heloo
09:02 < coob> ..
09:02 < helpneeded> i need help
09:02 < coob> so it appears.
09:02 < helpneeded> i have installed ipodlinux on mine but now there is a boot screen blinking with a sound changing from linux tux to apple logo
09:03 < helpneeded> and when i press somewhere it tries to boot linux and then a balnk screen comes
09:03 < coob> what gen ipod.
09:03 < helpneeded> blank sorry
09:03 < helpneeded> 4th
09:03 < coob> 4th gen isn't supported, you were warned.
09:04  * coob is away (forgeting about idiots)
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09:04 < Fenix-Dark> hi
09:04 < helpneeded> but tis was a supporting one as i read and now i how can i fix all to the start up
09:04 < coob> i'm not going to help you
09:04 < helpneeded> please i beg ya
09:04 < coob> as your ipod is unsupported
09:05 < helpneeded> well ok
09:05 < helpneeded> i may have doen something wrong but
09:05 < helpneeded> now just cannot go back
09:05 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/Unsupported
09:05 < Fenix-Dark> i just installed linux on my ipod (g1 photo) is the battery meter working?
09:06 < coob> how did you install it on your 4g? bug whoever made your installer, not us.
09:06 < Fenix-Dark> is it supported in the latest nightly build?
09:06 < Fenix-Dark> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Windows_nightly_build_installation  i followed this install guide
09:07 < helpneeded> well ok i understand that i understand all ..you are not the ones who made that i am the fool all the fault is mine . i doa ccept all you are not EXACTLY muy personal tutors .but i need an  idea to solve the issue man .
09:07 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/Unsupported
09:07 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/Unsupported
09:07 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/Unsupported
09:07 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/Unsupported
09:07 < Fenix-Dark> its working fine, i just wanna know of the batery meter is accurate, the last time i used linux was on a g3 ipod a while ago, the battery meter didn't work then
09:07 < coob> it may run on it but it is unsupported
09:07 < helpneeded> just give me an aid for gods sake
09:08 < Fenix-Dark> helpneeded, u break ur ipod?
09:08 < coob> how about, your ead the warnings before you do something.
09:08 < helpneeded> i dont want to run linux on it again but just wanan roll back reset formate tc etc.
09:08 < coob> Fenix-Dark: we still can't read battery info.
09:08 < Fenix-Dark> coob, ah ok ty
09:08 < coob> helpneeded: ipodlinux.org/troubleshooting
09:08 < helpneeded> no just i loaded up ipodlinuz on mine as mine is 4th g and i am a dumbass
09:09 < coob> hmm, i need a help, what shall i do! i know, lets go an irritate people instead of reading how to solve my problem!
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09:10 < Fenix-Dark> helpneeded, reboot ur ipod with the middle button and the menu button, then hold down the middle button and the >>>| button so it goes into disk mode, hook it up to your wintel computer and run the APPLE ipod updater, you may need to lose everything on ur ipod
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09:11 < BobVH> uhm, does anybody know if you can play music through desktop-podzilla?
09:11 < BobVH> I tried, but it didn't work
09:12 < Fenix-Dark> i think i should learn C, just so i can make a scientific calculator app for podzilla, heh then i'd have a real excuse for using it in math class
09:12 < BobVH> :)
09:12 < Fenix-Dark> BobVH, i dont see much point to it
09:12 < BobVH> hm
09:12 < BobVH> maybe
09:12 < BobVH> but it would shure be cool as hell
09:13 < Fenix-Dark> why not just run iTunes? it's much more organized
09:13 < Fenix-Dark> and visually pleasing
09:13 < BobVH> about the calculator, it wouldn't be that hard if you just limit it to drawing a line
09:14 < Fenix-Dark> screw making a scientific calculator,  i should make a graphing one ;)
09:14 < BobVH> itunes doesn't run on linux, but I have xfmedia for playing my music
09:14 < Fenix-Dark> BobVH, crossover office
09:14 < BobVH> hm
09:14 < Fenix-Dark> it works for me
09:14 < BobVH> can you get it for free from CVS?
09:14 < Fenix-Dark> its a bit laggy, but other than that it works (just doesn't recognize my ipod)
09:15 < Fenix-Dark> i didn't try that, but i got it free ;)
09:15 < BobVH> I use a differnt PC with usb 2.0 and windows xp
09:15 < BobVH> how did you get it for free?
09:15 < Fenix-Dark> a friend sent me the .sh installer file and i emerged it with portage
09:16 < BobVH> portage?
09:16 < BobVH> n00b
09:16 < BobVH> me
09:16 < Fenix-Dark> portage is the package system in gentoo linux
09:16 < BobVH> a
09:16 < BobVH> with just the .sh you could install it asswel
09:17 < BobVH> or not?
09:17 < Fenix-Dark> yea, portage just makes it a cleaner install
09:17 < BobVH> hl
09:17 < BobVH> hm
09:17 < Fenix-Dark> its mainly a personal prefrence
09:17 < BobVH> maybe I can just compile it from cvs
09:18 < Fenix-Dark> u could use xmms or amaroK to play music
09:18 < BobVH> for the .sh installer, you do probably need other files for that
09:18 < BobVH> xmms won't run
09:19 < BobVH> wath files beside the shellscript do you need to install crossveroffice?
09:19 < Fenix-Dark> thats it
09:19 < BobVH> ?
09:20 < Fenix-Dark> its all condensed into one file
09:20 < BobVH> a
09:20 < BobVH> any chance of you sending it over ;-) ?
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09:40 < Visser1> arggggg
09:41 < Visser1> Sorry, I hate to be a noob, and Ive been reading the troubleshooting page for the last half an hour, and I just don't get it. I set up the Linux to boot up as default, and now I want to switch to iPod firmware. I'm running Linux on a 10gb 2nd Gen ipod, can anyone help?
09:43 < Fenix-Dark> reboot ur ipod via action button (middle) and menu
09:43 < Fenix-Dark> then hold the |<<< key and the action button
09:43 < Fenix-Dark> grr
09:44 < Fenix-Dark> just the |<<< one
09:44 < Visser1> Do I have to exit Podzilla first?
09:44 < Fenix-Dark> yup
09:44 < Fenix-Dark> doing that exits it for ya
09:45 < Visser1> Hmmm, holding down Action + Meny isn't doing anything.
09:45 < Fenix-Dark> hold it for like 8 seconds
09:45 < Visser1> The screen just stays on Exectution Finished, Exiting.
09:45 < Visser1> Okay.
09:45 < Fenix-Dark> till it reboots
09:45 < Fenix-Dark> then do the other thing as soon as u see the apple logo
09:46 < Fenix-Dark> ooo this matrix thing is real cool, i'm just a bit confused why its not green
09:46 < Fenix-Dark> eh oh well
09:46 < Visser1> *haystacks fly past his ipod*
09:46 < Visser1> Nope, nada.
09:47 < Visser1> If I reboot it a different way, and hold down the rewind button?
09:47 < Visser1> arggg :p
09:47 < Visser1> lol
09:47 < Visser1> it came uo
09:48 < Fenix-Dark> heh
09:48 < Visser1> Cheers.
09:48 < Visser1> Got it.
09:48 < Fenix-Dark> now hold down the rewind key
09:48 < Fenix-Dark> and it should load the apple firmware
09:48 < Visser1> Yup.
09:48 < Visser1> Do not disconnect.
09:48 < Visser1> Thanks mate.
09:48 < Fenix-Dark> np
09:48 < Visser1> Now, how do I install these games?
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09:53 < Fenix-Dark> which os are you using?
09:53 < Visser1> Windows.
09:53 < Fenix-Dark> ok
09:54 < Fenix-Dark> search the ipodlinux.org site for the latest version of podzilla (it comes with plenty of games) download it, put it in ur ipod drive <insert letter here>:\podzilla
09:55 < Visser1> What, so H:/podzilla
09:55 < Fenix-Dark> then make a file named start, put this in it
09:55 < Fenix-Dark> mv /hp/podzilla /sbin/
09:55 < Visser1> Not H;/linux
09:55 < Fenix-Dark> rm /hp/start /hp/podzilla
09:55 < Fenix-Dark> yes
09:55 < Visser1> okay
09:56 < Fenix-Dark> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Windows_nightly_build_installation
09:56 < Fenix-Dark> do  7-9
09:56 < Visser1> Is that rename H;/linux to H;/podzilla
09:57 < Visser1> or just not touch the linux file?
09:57 < Fenix-Dark> no
09:57 < Fenix-Dark> download the latest podizilla file, and put it in H:\
09:57 < Fenix-Dark> thats it
09:57 < Visser1> Latest ipodlinux-installer - http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipodlinuxinst/
09:57 < Visser1> Yes?
09:57 < Fenix-Dark> then make a text file named start (no .txt)
09:58 < Fenix-Dark> http://www.ipodlinux.org/builds/
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09:58 < Fenix-Dark> get the one all the way at the bottom that says -podzilla.gz
09:58 < Visser1> [   ] 2005-05-15-podzilla.gz       15-May-2005 00:11   312k
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09:59 < Fenix-Dark> yup
09:59 < Visser1> Hmm.
09:59 < Visser1> I just get a massive encoded page.
09:59 < Fenix-Dark> right click the link, then click save as
10:00 < Visser1> Arggg, Damn Firefox.
10:00 < Fenix-Dark> then save it to where ever u want, then move it to ur ipod
10:00 < Fenix-Dark> its not firefox, windows doesn't know what to do with it
10:00 < Visser1> okay
10:01 < Visser1> Rename it?
10:01 < Visser1> Extracted, it has no extension.
10:02 < Fenix-Dark> extract it
10:02 < Visser1> I have.
10:02 < Fenix-Dark> k move it to ur ipod
10:02 < Visser1> ipod root?
10:02 < Fenix-Dark> yup
10:02 < Visser1> k
10:02 < Fenix-Dark> now, rightclick in there and click new text file
10:02 < Visser1> Hmmm
10:03 < Fenix-Dark> the first line in it should say "mv /hp/podzilla /sbin/" and the second line should say "rm /hp/start /hp/podzilla" (without the ")
10:04 < Fenix-Dark> then save that as start (no extension .txt or anythingi)
10:04 < Visser1> So far, I've made a new file in my ipod root, called podzilla, moved that file I downloaded into it, and now I make a new file called "start" with those two lines of code
10:04 < Visser1> yes?
10:04 < Fenix-Dark> yup
10:04 < Fenix-Dark> thats it
10:04 < Visser1> ok
10:04 < Fenix-Dark> disconnect and reboot ur ipod
10:04 < Fenix-Dark> load linux, and u should have quite a few games
10:04 < Fenix-Dark> 10
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10:05 < Fenix-Dark> 11*
10:05 < Visser1> Is Start supposed to be a text document
10:05 < Visser1> I saved it as "All files"
10:05 < Visser1> :/
10:05 < Fenix-Dark> doesn't matter
10:05 < Fenix-Dark> as long as it has no extension
10:06 < Visser1> Okay
10:06 < Visser1> loading linux,,,]
10:06 < Visser1> arggggg
10:06 < Visser1> Nope.
10:07 < Visser1> No games.
10:07 < Visser1> Well, 4.
10:07 < Fenix-Dark> which?
10:07 < Visser1> Default ones.
10:07 < Visser1> When you install from the .exe file.
10:07 < EvilDude> 4 games :|   how old is this version
10:08 < Fenix-Dark> hrm
10:08 < Fenix-Dark> i dunno then, sry
10:08 < Visser1> np
10:08 < Visser1> Ill sort it.
10:08 < Visser1> Thanks for your help.
10:10 < Fenix-Dark> check the forums
10:10 < Visser1> I've put the file I downloaded, renamed it poozilla, then moved that into a file called h:/podzilla
10:11 < Visser1> podzilla*
10:11 < Fenix-Dark> http://www.ipodlinux.org/builds/
10:11 < Fenix-Dark> just do steps 7-9
10:11 < Fenix-Dark> oops wrong link
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10:22 < crashd> hay guys
10:23 < crashd> anyone aliveish ?
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15:36 < messi[ah]> good eve
15:36 < crashd> hey man
15:37 < messi[ah]> im with ipodlinux since this weekend, and its an amazing project
15:37 < messi[ah]> i have to say that
15:37 < messi[ah]> really awesome
15:37 < crashd> hehe, it is pretty cool
15:37 < crashd> i dont even own an ipod an im impressed ;)
15:37 < messi[ah]> thx to all who have done this
15:37 < messi[ah]> eheh
15:38 < messi[ah]> what i would like to know, whether the recording feature will get further developed, or if there cant be any further progress..
15:38 < messi[ah]> cuz atm, its just more like "it is possible" but away from general purpose
15:39 < crashd> messi[ah]: have you checked the website regarding this ?
15:39 < crashd> im not an expert on the matter, but most of the answers are in the FAQ and / or the documentation
15:39 < messi[ah]> yeah, also the forums
15:39 < messi[ah]> but i didnt find a real answer
15:39 < messi[ah]> thats the point.
15:39 < crashd> atm, it seems like everything is in development
15:39 < crashd> so i wouldnt think anyone would be able to give you a proper answer :]
15:40 < messi[ah]> na, developers could say at least, if there is any further development
15:40 < crashd> well, i guess they could
15:40 < crashd> but as it says on the website
15:40 < messi[ah]> cuz, i would buy myself a new ipod, if i would know that the recording feature is in progress
15:40 < crashd> it's all still "in development"
15:40 < crashd> why dont you contribute if it's a problem for you ?
15:41 < messi[ah]> contribute in what way ?
15:41 < crashd> by developing the code :]
15:41 < messi[ah]> eheh
15:41 < messi[ah]> if i could code :>
15:41 < crashd> no better time to learn
15:42 < messi[ah]> well.. i really played with this thought
15:42 < messi[ah]> im just unsure if there is any further development possible.
15:43 < Tonka> lots of further development is possible, it just depends to a large extent on how motivated the devs are.
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15:45 < messi[ah]> okay..
15:45 < messi[ah]> thats an answer
15:45 < messi[ah]> cuz it also could be possible, that there cant be any improvement done to the recording function
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15:46 < crashd> of course there's a possibility
15:46 < Tonka> and that depends no what kinds of questions you ask in their hearing.  if you ask lot of noob question and piss them off the that decreases their motivation.  if you pass on lots of compliments and are happy with what you get then that increasses their motivation.
15:46 < Tonka> :)
15:46 < crashd> hehe
15:46 < crashd> im only here to try and catch a dev or two
15:46 < messi[ah]> yeah dont get me wrong
15:46 < crashd> as im trying to gather momentum for developing a similar port for the iriver platform
15:46 < messi[ah]> i really dont want to get on anybodys nerves
15:46 < messi[ah]> sorry.
15:47 < Tonka> your not on anyones nerves
15:47 < messi[ah]> that was not my attention
15:47 < Tonka> it was just a preemtive warning
15:49 < Tonka> and im not a dev
15:50 < messi[ah]> eheh ok
15:50 < Tonka> now tell me why the recording option is not useful, please.
15:51 < messi[ah]> it is very usefull
15:51 < messi[ah]> on my point of view it is one of the finest features of ipodlinux
15:51 < messi[ah]> but if u record sth, u dont see f.e. any progress bar, e.g. how long the recording is already in progress
15:51 < messi[ah]> or sth like that
15:51 < messi[ah]> then the limiation about 2gig max size
15:52 < messi[ah]> and so on
15:52 < Tonka> isee
15:52 < messi[ah]> also many people get some kind of werid noises in their recordings
15:52 < messi[ah]> and so on
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15:52 < messi[ah]> so it is lil bit away from prof. use
15:52 < messi[ah]> my quetsion is just
15:53 < messi[ah]> can this be improved by developers
15:53 < messi[ah]> or displays it the top of the recording feature
15:53 < messi[ah]> i mean i could be that the hardware limit the whole thing to this
15:53 < messi[ah]> i dont know
15:53 < messi[ah]> so im asking
15:53 < messi[ah]> :)
15:55 < Tonka> its unlikely that it will not get much better, just depends on where the devs want to spend their time.  they are after all hobbyists, donating their perssonal time for this.
15:55 < messi[ah]> yes
15:55 < messi[ah]> i understand this
15:55 < messi[ah]> i think u dont get my question
15:55 < messi[ah]> let me try it again:
15:56 < messi[ah]> is the development process of the recording question finished ?
15:56 < messi[ah]> cant there be any improvements
15:56 < messi[ah]> or could there be, depending on the devs ?
15:56 < messi[ah]> got it ?
15:57 < Tonka> i doubt the work on that is finished, and im sure they are still tinkering with it.
15:57 < Tonka> :)
15:58 < messi[ah]> okay
15:58 < messi[ah]> thats what i wanted to know
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17:27 < mofomikeman> hello
17:28 < mofomikeman> i believe i have a working podzilla for g4
17:28 < aegray_> ?
17:29 < mofomikeman> it works on the computer build
17:29 < mofomikeman> but i do not have an actually g4 ipod to test it on
17:29 < aegray_> podzilla is on g4 already
17:29 < messi[ah]> how do you know then that your build works ?
17:29 < mofomikeman> sigh
17:29 < messi[ah]> and anyway, like aegray_ said, there is already a working beta build
17:29 < aegray_> oh nm
17:29 < messi[ah]> :>
17:29 < aegray_> did you add something to it?
17:30 < mofomikeman> more like changed it
17:30 < aegray_> to do what?
17:30 < mofomikeman> i got the pixo os script
17:30 < mofomikeman> and mixed bits and pieces with the ipodlinux
17:30 < aegray_> what does that do - i'm new?
17:30 < mofomikeman> and i believe it should work now
17:31 < mofomikeman> hah im new as well
17:31 < aegray_> is it the normal podzilla your trying to get to run?
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17:31 < aegray_> on a 4g?
17:31 < BobVH> jeah
17:31 < BobVH> linux is the hard part
17:31 < mofomikeman> mmhmm
17:31 < BobVH> podzilla runs
17:31 < aegray_> its already running
17:31 < aegray_> i'm looking at it right now
17:31 < aegray_> on my 4g
17:32 < BobVH> with me to
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17:32 < BobVH> I couldn't install linux without a windows installer
17:32 < BobVH> thhough
17:32 < mofomikeman> a fully functional podzilla is what i think i have
17:33 < mofomikeman> with sound recording
17:33 < mofomikeman> it should work
17:33 < BobVH> but I did manage to compile podzilla for the desktop and ipod <tap on chest>
17:33 < mofomikeman> do you have a g4 ipod?
17:33 < BobVH> mini
17:33 < aegray> i do
17:33 < BobVH> compiling isn't that hard
17:33 < BobVH> I shouldn't be proud
17:33 < mofomikeman> hahaha
17:33 < mofomikeman> bob
17:34 < BobVH> ;-)
17:34 < BobVH> it's a big acomplishment for me :-o
17:34 < mofomikeman> since im too lazy, can i have the compilation so i can make an exe installer?
17:34 < BobVH> podzilla?
17:35 < mofomikeman> i dont have a g4 ipod so i cant test for it, do you have it running on your ipod g4?
17:35 < BobVH> jeah
17:35 < mofomikeman> send me the file compilation
17:35 < BobVH> but I also made a desktop build
17:35 < BobVH> it's just the same podzilla
17:35 < BobVH> as on the site
17:35 < mofomikeman> yeah yeah
17:35 < mofomikeman> me too
17:35 < mofomikeman> does your ipod compilation work?
17:35 < mofomikeman> for g4?
17:36 < BobVH> when I compiled mine, I used a translated menu.c and it works jsut fine
17:36 < BobVH> as I said
17:36 < BobVH> podzilla isn't the problem with 4g
17:36 < mofomikeman> we all understand that
17:36 < mofomikeman> its linux
17:36 < BobVH> indeed
17:36 < BobVH> and on the site
17:36 < BobVH> there are downloads of podzilla
17:36 < BobVH> the binary
17:37 < BobVH> just put in your ipod with some linux commands in a text file
17:37 < BobVH> without the .txt
17:37 < mofomikeman> what i am asking for is a zip off of your ipod for g4 already compiled so i can make it an installer and release it to the general public
17:37 < mofomikeman> i dont have an ipod g4
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17:37 < mofomikeman> so i cant do all that
17:37 < mofomikeman> what i am asking for is a zip off of your ipod for g4 already compiled so i can make it an installer and release it to the general public
17:38 < BobVH> there allready is an installer
17:38 < BobVH> it even works for 4g
17:38 < BobVH> search the forums for a thread called: "installing on a photo"
17:38 < BobVH> it works for all 4g
17:39 < BobVH> there's also a wiki page on that subject
17:39 < mofomikeman> sigh... you need linix to run podzilla, so do you have linix on your ipod so you can run podzilla on it?
17:40 < BobVH> yes...
17:40 < BobVH> that thread discusses all of it
17:40 < BobVH> and its linux
17:40 < BobVH> not linix
17:40 < BobVH> sigh...back at you
17:41 < mofomikeman> lol
17:41 < mofomikeman> ok lets stop arguing
17:42 < mofomikeman> can you give me the dl to the thread
17:42 < mofomikeman> im not even sure if were on the same page
17:42 < BobVH> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1596 is the thread, just read it but don't use the podzilla binaries they give you
17:42 < BobVH> they're out of date
17:43 < BobVH> go to the downloads section for podzilla
17:43 < BobVH> do use the userland and linux files they give you on the thread!
17:44 < BobVH> http://www.ipodlinux.org/4G_Installer is the xiki page
17:45 < BobVH> use that pge
17:45 < BobVH> it's all very easy
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17:50 < mofomikeman> Ok, you obviously dont understand
17:50 < BobVH> no I don't
17:50 < BobVH> appearantly
17:50 < mofomikeman> do you have linux on your iPod
17:50 < BobVH> yes...
17:50 < BobVH> I used that method
17:50 < mofomikeman> is it fully functional
17:50 < BobVH> yes...
17:50 < mofomikeman> do you have podzilla
17:51 < BobVH> yes... my own version, but you can use any version
17:51 < mofomikeman> is it fully functional
17:51 < mofomikeman> yes?  THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PROBLEM?
17:51 < aegray> woh
17:51 < BobVH> you have the problem
17:51 < BobVH> not me
17:52 < aegray> no - not fully functional
17:52 < aegray> no audio support
17:52 < aegray> processor speed is not full
17:52 < BobVH> ofcourse
17:52 < aegray> so no mp3 or music decoding
17:52 < aegray> its not fully functional
17:52 < BobVH> ok
17:52 < aegray> but it runs podzilla and games
17:52 < BobVH> but what's your problem exactly mike?
17:53 < mofomikeman> I
17:53 < mofomikeman> NEED
17:53 < mofomikeman> THE
17:53 < BobVH> no capslock
17:53 < BobVH> pls
17:53 < aegray> what do you need
17:53 < mofomikeman> i need the installer for 4g ipod
17:53 < mofomikeman> the link is down
17:53 < BobVH> ok
17:53 < BobVH> then we can not help you
17:53 < aegray> i think we can
17:53 < aegray> oh wait
17:53 < BobVH> I gave you the page
17:53 < aegray> no
17:53 < aegray> hold on
17:54 < mofomikeman> http://www.yousendit.com/expired.aspx i get forwarded there... its too old
17:54 < aegray> no theres another one
17:54 < mofomikeman> they were too lazy to host it theirselves
17:54 < BleuLlama> there is no 4g installer yet.
17:55 < aegray> which page are you downloading it from
17:55 < mofomikeman> http://www.ipodlinux.org/4G_Installer
17:55 < aegray> https://home.comcast.net/~fs2903/ipl4g.zip
17:55 < BobVH> grmbl... why can't he search the forums...
17:55 < aegray> haha
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17:56 < BobVH> man, was that a jerk
17:56 < aegray> why'd we help him
17:56 < BobVH> because a month ago I was having the same problem?
17:56 < BobVH> but I didn't whine all over IRC
17:57 < aegray> yea
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17:58 < BobVH> I'm actually having progress with the development of my ipod metronome :-D
17:58 < BobVH> ipod_beep()
17:58 < BobVH> all the work is allready done by someone else
17:58 < aegray> is there one written already?
17:58 < BobVH> not yet
17:58 < aegray> or are you porting
17:58 < BobVH> no
17:59 < BobVH> I'm just using parts of everything
17:59 < aegray> ok
17:59 < BobVH> GrEllipse would be used for the visualisation
17:59 < BobVH> only the time thing...
17:59 < aegray> just use a timer - you can use the rtc
18:00 < BobVH> ?
18:00 < aegray> you have the timing of the beeps down already?
18:00 < BobVH> no
18:00 < BobVH> I don't have that much
18:00 < aegray> ok
18:01 < BobVH> that was wath I meant with the time thing
18:01 < BobVH> what
18:01 < aegray> you know how your doing it or no?
18:01 < aegray> (the time thing)
18:01 < BobVH> no
18:01 < messi[ah]> aegray, do you know who developed the recording feature ?
18:01 < BleuLlama> nanox timers might not be precise enough, so you may need to poll the real time clock.
18:01 < BobVH> rct
18:01 < BobVH> ah
18:02 < BobVH> rtc
18:02 < BleuLlama> rtc = realtime clock   rct = rollercoaster tycoon
18:02 < BleuLlama> ;)
18:02 < BobVH> :-D
18:02 < Fenix-Dark> on macs, where will my ipod be located in the terminal?
18:02 < aegray> not really
18:02 < BleuLlama>  /Volumes/ipodname
18:02 < Fenix-Dark> ok ty
18:02 < BobVH> polling the rtc, is that like using "date"?
18:03 < aegray> not really
18:03 < aegray> i think - bluellama probably knows - it gives you a tick count back
18:03 < BleuLlama>         t = time( NULL );
18:03 < BleuLlama> look in clocks.c
18:03 < aegray> there we go
18:03 < BobVH> yeah
18:03 < BleuLlama> Clocks_draw makes the call
18:03 < BobVH> I looked in that allready
18:04 < BobVH> ok
18:04 < BleuLlama> it gives you the number of seconds since epoch
18:04 < BobVH> must have missed it
18:04 < BobVH> hey, thanks for keeping the clock well documented
18:04 < BobVH> much easier to understand the code
18:04 < BleuLlama> np.
18:04 < BleuLlama> good documentation is key for not owning code.  if i document my code well enough, someone else can maintain it. ;)
18:05 < BobVH> indeed
18:08 < BobVH> where did you all learn C?
18:09 < BobVH> I got some books in the library, but they won't go on past "hello world"
18:09 < BobVH> or something like taht
18:09 < BobVH> that
18:09 < aegray> most books from barnes and noble are pretty good
18:09 < aegray> sams teach yourself in 24 hours then just playing around
18:09 < aegray> and looking at others code
18:09 < BleuLlama> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131103628/qid=1116180526
18:09 < BobVH> I thought about getting on from amazon
18:10 < BleuLlama> i went through that book around 1992 or so.
18:10 < aegray> haha
18:10 < BleuLlama> that's a great reference book too.  covers evetything including pointers and such.
18:10 < BobVH> the one that's mentioned in the forums is written by the guys who wrote C
18:10 < BleuLlama> yep
18:10 < BleuLlama> excellent book
18:11 < BobVH> it would be best to buy it, so I allways have it lying around
18:11 < BobVH> i think
18:11 < BleuLlama> yes
18:12 < BobVH> 42$, with the euro way higher than the dollar, hopefully not much transportation costs to belgium...
18:12 < BobVH> or is the euro lower
18:12 < BobVH> don't get the system
18:13 < BobVH> you get more dollars for a euro
18:13 < BobVH> =>less euros for a dollar
18:13 < messi[ah]> ^^
18:14 < aegray> anyone know where display is defined in the kernel for "struct display" in fb.c?
18:14 < BobVH> hopefully my dad let's me use his creditcard...
18:14 < crashd>  hey guys, what was the first step that was taken to get the ipod running homebrew code ?
18:14 < BobVH> ow, I'm going to eat now
18:14 < Fenix-Dark> crashd, test it out in the desktop emulator thing first
18:15 < crashd> the arm emulator?
18:15 < Fenix-Dark> ya
18:15 < crashd> or is there a portalplayer emulation system ?
18:15 < crashd> ahh yeah
18:15 < crashd> i mean, actually _getting_ the code to run on the ipod
18:15 < crashd> as opposed to testing the code out
18:15 < Fenix-Dark> ah
18:16 < Fenix-Dark> heh i have no clu
18:16 < Fenix-Dark> clue*
18:16 < BleuLlama> you're asking the wrong people.  the people that did that a year+ ago, aren't in the channel right now
18:16 < crashd> BleuLlama: i just thought maybe someone had some knowledge of how it was originally achieved
18:17 < BleuLlama> probably started with dumping out the firmware, disassembling it with an ARM disassembler, then just dropping some code on the ipod in place of it
18:17  * BleuLlama guessing
18:17 < Fenix-Dark> i feel soo stupid, i just tried to mount /dev/sda3... but i didn't compile my kernel with ext3 support :*/
18:17 < messi[ah]> :°
18:18 < Fenix-Dark> eh, i might as well reccompile it anywasy
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18:29 < BobVH> hm
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18:58 < CIA-5> yorgle * tools/podzilla/ (browser.c menu.c ipod.h): Added an option to show the current path in the file browser header.
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19:40 < sara_poo> i just bought a brand new ipod mini, and I'm following the gentoo ipod howto
19:41 < sara_poo> but i don't think my ipod hard drive has been formatted properly, it's on of the new 'mac or pc' ones
19:41 < sara_poo> do i have to plug it into a mac or pc first?
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20:11 < mage> hey can I ask some stupid questions about the stock firmware?
20:12 < mage> I just wanna know how the iPod menu is capitalized, like if its iPod, Music, Playlists,Extras,Settings,Backlight,Now Playing
20:12 < mage> or if its all lowercase or whatever
20:12 < BleuLlama> why not just boot into it and try it out?
20:13 < mage> I changed my font to one thats all caps
20:15 < BleuLlama> silveriseffingawesome.com?
20:15 < BleuLlama> ops
20:15  * BleuLlama still needs "focus follows eyes" on his window manager
20:16 < mage> hah
20:16 < BobVH> sorry if this is an encredibly n00b question, but how do you run programs in podzilla, selcting the from the filebrowser doesn't work (I use desktop-podzilla if the problem lies there)
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20:19 < BobVH> I know I compiled them right, so that can't be the problem
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20:25 < BobVH> smacmac, maybe you can answer my question: how do you run programs in podzilla, selecting them from the filebroser doesnt work (use desktop-podzilla)
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20:25 < BleuLlama> what are you trying to launch?
20:25 < BobVH> helloworld :-D
20:26 < BobVH> just to test the compiling
20:26 < BleuLlama> is it compiled for your desktop also?
20:26 < BobVH> no
20:26 < BobVH> how do you do that?
20:26 < BleuLlama> there's your answer
20:26 < BleuLlama> the way you compiled your podzilla for the desktop
20:26 < BobVH> I used the makefiles
20:27 < BobVH> is there an option for the arm-elf-gcc compiler?
20:27 < BleuLlama> just use your native gcc instead.
20:28 < BleuLlama> the same way the podzilla makefile does it.
20:29 < BobVH> a
20:29 < BobVH> ok
20:31 < BobVH> podzilla says: no default act....
20:33 < BobVH> it works on my pc
20:33 < BobVH> it prints "hello world"
20:33 < BobVH> is what I meant
20:38 < BobVH> but it doesn't work in podzilla...
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20:43 < clepple> BobVH: is the executable bit set? I don't think podzilla lets you launch programs unless you 'chmod a+x' beforehand
20:43 < clepple> of course, the compiler is supposed to do that, but there are many ways for permissions to get screwed up
20:43 < BobVH> yeah, i forgot the whol permission thng
20:44 < BobVH> I'm new to linux, how do you give the compiler the right option?
20:44 < clepple> right option for what?
20:44 < BobVH> the permission thing
20:45 < BobVH> but what I don't get is that it runs on my pc
20:45 < BobVH> just not in podzilla
20:45 < clepple> dude, you are totally confusing me
20:46 < BobVH> ok
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20:46 < clepple> you can't run a uClinux ARM binary on an x86 PC without some sort of emulator (AFAIK there isn't an iPod emulator yet, although there are generic ARM emulators)
20:46 < BobVH> I've compiled it with gcc
20:47 < BobVH> bluellama said I had to do that for it to run on my desktop-podilla
20:47 < clepple> so the binary that you compile on your PC will not run on your iPod... you have to recompile it with different options
20:47 < BobVH> no
20:47 < BobVH> it works on my pc
20:47 < BobVH> not in podzilla for the desktop
20:47 < clepple> sorry, I meant "a binary that runs on your PC will not run on your iPod"
20:47 < BobVH> I didn't use the special compiler, because it had to run on the desktop
20:48 < clepple> "compile on your PC" shoulda been "compile for your PC"
20:48 < BobVH> wait
20:48 < clepple> right, so if you want to compile something for the iPod, you need to look at the podzilla Makefile and see what options it uses for a non-desktop build
20:48 < BobVH> if you compile somthing for desktop(!)-podzilla, do you have to use the cross-compiler?
20:49 < BobVH> or just the regular compiler
20:49 < clepple> I haven't built anything for desktop podzilla
20:49 < clepple> but I seriously doubt you'd use a cross-compiler
20:50 < BobVH> thats what bluellama said
20:50 < clepple> you want desktop-podzilla to run on your desktop, and cross-compilers are typically used to create binaries for other architectures (like ARM)
20:50 < BleuLlama> i never said you need a cross compiler for desktop use
20:50 < BobVH> idd
20:50 < BobVH> I meant u said to use the regular gcc
20:50 < clepple> ... which is not a cross-compiler :-)
20:51 < BobVH> yes...
20:53 < BobVH> got to go now
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20:59 < salgado> hey, anyone have an iTunesDB file generated by ITunes 4.7? (I'm writing an ArtworkDB file parser and I need to check some things in an iTunesDB file compatible with the ArtworkDB)
21:00 < mage> hmm sure ask that after 4.8 comes out :)
21:01 < salgado> mage: sorry?
21:01 < mage> I only have 4.0 and 4.8 available to me
21:01 < salgado> when was 4.8 released?
21:02 < mage> week or so ago?
21:02 < salgado> I thought 4.7 was the newest one
21:02 < salgado> so, do you have a file generated by 4.8?
21:03 < mage> no but I can just throw something into the libraray and then boom a DB right?
21:04 < salgado> I guess so. (would you do that for me?)
21:04 < mage> sure
21:04 < salgado> great
21:05 < mage> what am i sending?
21:06 < salgado> iTunesDB only
21:06 < mage> oh im on pc, and I dont see one in the dir
21:07 < salgado> hmmm. the problem is that it only writes this file when you write in the IPod
21:07 < salgado> (I guess it's that. never used ITunes)
21:08 < mage> oh, from the ipod
21:11 < mage> I only get one on my iPod, not in the iTunes dir
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21:13 < salgado> mage: can you send it to gsalgado@gmail.com (my damn router doesn't seems to be working properly)
21:14 < mage> k
21:14 < salgado> ta
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21:37 < salgado> mage: thanks dude. just one question, though. you use ITunes to sync with the IPod, right?
21:45 < mage> well I throw stuff on it, stopped using "sync" though
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21:47 < salgado> but you don't use gtkpod, right?
21:49 < mage> nope
21:52 < aegray> hey - anone konw how I can manually check for a keypress in microwindows?
21:53 < fre_ber> Manually as in not using the event handler?
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21:53 < aegray> yes
21:53 < fre_ber> Never tried that, sorry.
21:53 < aegray> right now the event handler only works when my function finishes
21:53 < fre_ber> Ah.
21:53 < mage> what does your function do?
21:53 < aegray> plays the video
21:53 < fre_ber> I'm not sure that microwindows even allow this.
21:54 < mage> hmm, make that function a separate thread?
21:54 < aegray> not too good with linux - how would this be done?
21:54 < fre_ber> I can't remember seeing anything about it in the docs.
21:54 < aegray> ok
21:54 < mage> I actually don't know, im still playing with iPodwizard and php
21:54 < fre_ber> I'm not very good at linux either, I don't know.
21:55 < fre_ber> But I assume that microwindows reads the characters from stdin...
21:55 < fre_ber> Maybe you could do the same.
21:55 < aegray> ok
21:56 < fre_ber> Hmm... or not... no key down from that.
21:56 < fre_ber> No, I have no clue. :(
21:56 < aegray> ok
21:58 < fre_ber> Maybe check the source for the hacked sash?
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21:59 < aegray> ok
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22:09  * veteran high-fives macpod
22:10 < fre_ber> ...and misses?
22:10 < fre_ber> :)
22:10 < veteran> he's online... even if only in my heart
22:10 < fre_ber> :)
22:11  * coob takes away veteran's crack
22:11 < aegray> hahaahahah
22:11 < fre_ber> I liked the idea of linkling to wikipedia info about the games. Now I have been stuck in nostalgia land for a while. :)
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22:13 < fre_ber> I want somebody to make "Defender", that was one of my favourites. If noone makes it, I might have to do it myself some day... :|
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22:16 < veteran> eh... looks like the [[Manual]] is for CVS now!
22:16 < fre_ber> Oops.. Never thought about that... But at least I only added the links, not the games themselves.. ;)
22:17 < fre_ber> Maybe the CVS-only games should be commented out? It could be nice to keep them in the article until they are added to the official release.
22:18 < veteran> well, since releases only come out every year or so...
22:18 < fre_ber> :)
22:19 < fre_ber> Then maybe a tag indicating CVS-only?
22:19 < veteran> it's fine... maybe a note for CVS
22:19 < veteran> dah beat me to it
22:19 < fre_ber> :)
22:19 < fre_ber> In any case, I have to sleep now. Good night.
22:20 < veteran> night
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23:13 < coob> http://moblog.co.uk/view.php?id=65091
23:17 < BleuLlama> yeah. i saw that earlier from boing boing or one of those kind of places.
23:17 < BleuLlama> hehe
23:17 < BleuLlama> domopod
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