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00:05 < macpod> http://www.ipodlinux.org/User:Miz_dawg lol
00:05 < macpod> Etho needs a warning too.. you dont make pages for other people
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00:12 < macpod> You alive luke?
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00:46 < Beanman> hi
00:46 < Beanman> @ny 0ne 7here
00:47 < tonkajds> :)
00:48 < Beanman> does anyone know the current status of the metronome
00:48 < Beanman> ...
00:49 < tonkajds> ?
00:51 < davidc__> metronomr?
00:51 < davidc__> *me?
00:52 < davidc__> Beanman - oh, and using leet makes you look retarded.
00:56 < stabwound> hahahahahha
00:56 < stabwound> i've never actually seen anyone talk like that before
00:56 < stabwound> on purpose
00:57 < courtc> atny zerone sevenhere? what?
00:59 < Beanman> metronome it counts time intervals
01:00 < courtc> metronome, it doesn't exist. (on the iPod at least)
01:05 < Beanman> k
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01:07 < BleuLlama> metro-gnome.  it's like being metrosexual, but for lawn gnomes
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01:09 < courtc> um..
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01:14 < BleuLlama> i dunno.
01:14 < BleuLlama> how long is the anon cvs lagging behind dev cd
01:14 < BleuLlama> -cd +cvs
01:15 < courtc> up to 4 hours
01:15 < courtc> they have the update on cron afaik
01:22 < BleuLlama> okey
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01:30 < BleuLlama> there it goes. whee
01:30 < BleuLlama> cvs update: move away ./clocks.c; it is in the way
01:30 < BleuLlama> hehe
01:31 < courtc> ? have you been polling cvs?
01:31 < JonasNZ> any1 here a podcaster? just out of pure interest?
01:31 < BleuLlama> just decided to check again
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01:34 < BleuLlama> you put the entire clock menu in settings?  that's surprising.
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01:35 < macpod> hmm
01:35 < courtc> well.. I wasn't sure exactly where to put everything.. so there it went..
01:36 < BleuLlama> okay.
01:36 < macpod> Extras/Clock?
01:36 < courtc> I should probably add a Extras/Clock
01:36 < courtc> but I think having the clock next to the time setting stuff is nice..
01:36 < BleuLlama> sure.
01:37 < macpod> put the clock/settings stuff in Extras/Clock
01:37 < macpod> liek apple does! copy them, we dont need to be original ;P
01:37 < BleuLlama> just have a regular clock in the extras menu, but the full menu link in settings
01:38 < courtc> yea, thats probably what'll happen
01:39 < BleuLlama> coo
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01:40 < BleuLlama> do you like the arms for the analog clock being thicker?
01:40 < courtc> yea, they look good.
01:41 < BleuLlama> cool.
01:42 < Sliverq> when it says "move away, blank is in way," what does it do? will those files pushed aside accumulate?
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01:42 < Sliverq> (when I cvs update)
01:43 < BleuLlama> it means it can't diff/merge the file.  copy it aside, and update.
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01:43 < Sliverq> but will the files build up in mass over time?  (cause of extra copies)?
01:44 < BleuLlama> you're copying it.  or you can just delete it. whatever.
01:44 < Sliverq> how do I clean it up safely?
01:45 < BleuLlama> you're just fucking with me, right?
01:45 < Sliverq> no
01:46 < BleuLlama> copy it aside, update, merge your changes in by hand, check it in, delete the copy you set aide.
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01:46 < Sliverq> ah
01:46 < BleuLlama> or just blow away the file and cvs up
01:46 < BleuLlama> depends if you care
01:46 < Sliverq> just thought there might me an automated way
01:46 < Sliverq> that's fine
01:46 < Sliverq> thank you
01:46 < BleuLlama> nope
01:46 < BleuLlama> cvs will merge things as best as it can on its own
01:46 < Poseiden> grr!
01:46 < Sliverq> ok
01:47 < Sliverq> btw, do you see a fully functional clock coming onto cvs soon?
01:47 < BleuLlama> in some cases, it will tell you that it had trouble and put stuff in the source file like >>>>>>>>>>>>  etc
01:47 < BleuLlama> yes.  very soon.
01:47 < BleuLlama> like 30 minutes ago soon.
01:47 < Sliverq> awsome
01:47 < Sliverq> I guessed you might have
01:47 < Sliverq> wasn't sure
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01:47 < BleuLlama> cvs up   should show clocks.c
01:47 < Sliverq> does it have an alarm?
01:47 < BleuLlama> no
01:47 < Sliverq> sleep timer?
01:47 < BleuLlama> how are you going to sleep it?
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01:48 < Poseiden> Does the Windows installer generally work?  I keep having firmware issues (folder-bang).
01:48 < linux_inside_v2> read the changelog
01:48 < Sliverq> yes it works
01:48 < BleuLlama> no sleep in ipl yet, so sleep timer is pointless yet
01:48 < Sliverq> BleuLlama: I don't know exactly how, but that's the only two reasons I use apple firmware
01:48 < Sliverq> alarm in morning and turn it off at night
01:49 < Sliverq> but these things come with time...
01:49 < BleuLlama> talk to the kernel people about power management
01:49 < Sliverq> oh, that would be nice...
01:49 < Sliverq> why is the battery so low priority?
01:49 < Sliverq> or is it just hard?
01:49 < BleuLlama> cause no one is working on it.
01:49 < BleuLlama> everyone is volunteers
01:49 < BleuLlama> we work on what we want to work on
01:50 < Sliverq> yeah I know that
01:50 < BleuLlama> some people have this silly idea that audio is more important
01:50 < Sliverq> g2g
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01:50 < Sliverq> I know
01:50 < Sliverq> sorry
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01:54 < linux_inside_v2> BlueLlama: lol at ur last comment, the only reason i dualboot is for audio and power.
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01:55 < BleuLlama> i only use ipl to play games and display a clock
01:55 < BleuLlama> and to play mods
01:55 < BleuLlama> when i'm done, i just reboot.
01:56 < linux_inside_v2> thats what i do
01:56 < linux_inside_v2> besides the clocl
01:56 < macpod> I look at street maps
01:56 < linux_inside_v2> clock*
01:56 < linux_inside_v2> lol i have a photo
01:56 < linux_inside_v2> so i dont need linux to do that :P
01:56 < macpod> but can you play movies of maps?
01:57 < BleuLlama> HA!
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02:03 < BleuLlama> okay.  It's Vortex codin' time!
02:06 < linux_inside_v2> touche'
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02:39 < Daishi> leaving...g'night
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02:39 < BleuLlama> w.t.f?
02:47 < zer0python> erm .. irc + netsplits != unusual
02:48 < BleuLlama> no.  not the netsplit.  Daishi
02:48 < linux_inside_v2> probably just his exit comment
02:48 < linux_inside_v2> or turn his computer off
02:48 < courtc> he might have been referring to the fact that Daishi said 'leaving...g'night'(the same thing he says every night) before he got disconnected by a read error
02:49 < BleuLlama> search the logs.  the only thing he *ever* says is <Daishi> leaving...g'night
02:49 < macpod> I say we burn them at the stake
02:49 < BleuLlama> seconded
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02:52 < zer0python> ..
02:52 < zer0python> o .. k
02:52 < zer0python> :p
02:52 < macpod> we should have an idle scan
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02:52 < macpod> e.g when does _ipodstats ever talk?
02:53 < courtc> damn noob
02:53 < courtc> we should ban him
02:53 < BleuLlama> man... idle scan would kick me out
02:53 < BleuLlama> i just stay in here 24/7
02:53 < macpod> I mean like a 3 day idle scan
02:53 < BleuLlama> oh
02:58 < BleuLlama> "In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.
02:58 < zer0python> erm .. yeah, I'd be kicked too
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03:50 < macpod> mwahaha! slashdot is down
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03:57 < BleuLlama> ? seems okay here
04:01 < macpod> it's bakc up now
04:03 < tanq> leaving...g'night
04:03 < tanq> heh j/k
04:03 < BleuLlama> http://www.georgiagrrl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hacker.htm
04:03 < BleuLlama> hehehe
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04:06 < tanq> yeah i read that the other day
04:16 < linux_inside_v2> lolol
04:18 < tonkajds> thats awesone
04:18 < tonkajds> *awesoMe*
04:18 < tanq> its not as cool as why women shouldnt be bullfighters
04:19 < BleuLlama> ?
04:19 < tanq> http://www.worldlinux.org/Whywomen.asf
04:33 < stabwound> in the new clock addition, how do you choose which type of clock to use?
04:33 < BleuLlama> center button
04:33 < stabwound> ok
04:33 < BleuLlama> and the hold switch makes it go fullscreen
04:34 < stabwound> hahaha nice is neat
04:34 < stabwound> nice work
04:34 < BleuLlama> ty
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04:43 < BleuLlama> hmm.. a video pinball engine might be fun
04:44  * BleuLlama afk
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05:08 < linux_inside_v2> does anyone know what version of freetype i need for microwindows to compile? because mine keeps bombing out with undefined functions
05:10 < courtc> none?
05:11 < linux_inside_v2> i would need the microwindows-fonts package wouldnt i
05:12 < courtc> no
05:12 < courtc> just use the right config
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05:32 < linux_inside_v2> stupid goddamn microwindows... i give up
05:34 < linux_inside_v2> grr looks like i gotta wait for podzilla to bring out an official update
05:37 < tonkajds> v2: what were you trying to do?
05:37 < courtc> orr.. use a nightly
05:37 < tonkajds> ahh
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05:46 < linux_inside_v2> i am trying to compile the microwindows 0.90 source so i can compile podzilla
05:48 < smacmac> Yes
05:49 < linux_inside_v2> and im getting errors saying function not defined for fonts_freetype.c or something like that
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05:50 < smacmac> Do you use linux?
05:50 < linux_inside_v2> yes
05:50 < courtc> read http://ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla
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05:55 < linux_inside_v2> thanks, ill give it a try
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07:19 < linux_inside_v2> wait
07:20 < linux_inside_v2> why am i wasting my time trying to compile podzilla when there are daily builds?
07:20 < courtc> <courtc> orr.. use a nightly
07:21 < linux_inside_v2> i tend to not read eveything when somethings troubling me, just curious, what distro do you use?
07:21 < linux_inside_v2> cos im using debian sarge and compiling on it is a bitch
07:22 < courtc> I use archlinux, but the distro hardly matters.
07:22 < linux_inside_v2> well sarge is the experimental distribution
07:22 < linux_inside_v2> latest packages
07:22 < courtc> yes, I know
07:23 < linux_inside_v2> i;m probably just stupid
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07:24 < linux_inside_v2> i got stuck on libitunesdb
07:25 < EvilDude> libitunesdb is EVIL
07:25 < linux_inside_v2> everything else compiled fine, but it might be something to do with automake
07:25 < EvilDude> sorry I just hate compiling that thing =\
07:25 < linux_inside_v2> so its not just me!
07:25 < EvilDude> trying to compile for ipod?
07:25 < courtc> yea, so does everyone.. apparently it's hard to compile... I've personally never had a problem with it
07:25 < EvilDude> haha nope
07:25 < linux_inside_v2> fuck
07:25 < EvilDude> use the binary linux_inside_v2
07:25 < linux_inside_v2> makes me feel better
07:25 < EvilDude> there's a .a file somewhere on the servers
07:25 < EvilDude> haha yeah :)
07:25 < zer0python> erm .. apparently .. my router froze .. that's the second time it did that, this week
07:26 < zer0python> o.O
07:26 < linux_inside_v2> wewt invaders!
07:27 < zer0python> erm?
07:27 < zer0python> wha?
07:29 < linux_inside_v2> space invaders!
07:29 < EvilDude> wewt = woot i think
07:29 < linux_inside_v2> affirmative
07:30 < zer0python> yeah .. I meant the "invaders" part ..
07:30 < linux_inside_v2> space invaders is in podzilla
07:32 < zer0python> oh right ..
07:33 < zer0python> I knew what you were talking about the whole time.. <.<
07:33 < linux_inside_v2> i like the new clock
07:33 < linux_inside_v2> now to somehow get a modified sash that works on photos properly
07:35 < courtc> another step! ... Small runs new_message_window... al thats needed is to wrap any other functions you want to use..
07:35 < EvilDude> yay
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08:13 < linux_inside_v2> heres a thought, does anyone ever use the contacts function of their ipod?
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08:25 < EvilDude> linux_inside_v2 i used to at a stage
08:25 < EvilDude> then i got bored of it =\
08:25 < EvilDude> calendar on iPod however is cool
08:25 < linux_inside_v2> yeah
08:25 < linux_inside_v2> im going to copy all the contacts from my phone across
08:25 < linux_inside_v2> with email addresses and shit
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08:37 < EvilDude> linux_inside_v2 yeah its cool but entering would have made it awesome
08:37 < linux_inside_v2> entering?
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08:40 < EvilDude> like adding contacts on the pod
08:40 < EvilDude> or editing
08:42 < linux_inside_v2> ahh ok
08:42 < linux_inside_v2> yah i agree
08:44 < EvilDude> ipl will have it one day though im sure :)
08:44 < linux_inside_v2> suuuure
08:45 < EvilDude> i dont expect much from this project at all ;)
08:45 < linux_inside_v2> hahaha
08:45 < linux_inside_v2> all i expect is mp3 playback (hint hint)
08:45 < EvilDude> haha
08:56 < linux_inside_v2> i think when windows XP iPod editon comes out they will pull their fingers out :P
08:57 < EvilDude> haha
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15:04 < alexd> hi @ all
15:06 < alexd> how do i know if my ipod mini belogns to the 1st generation or to the 2nd generation?
15:06 < stabwound> thats easy
15:06 < stabwound> if it says the size in GB on the back
15:06 < stabwound> it's 2nd gen
15:07 < stabwound> if not, it's 1st
15:07 < alexd> tanks
15:12 < BleuLlama> also if it has an 18 hour battery, it's 2nd generation, and if the colors are more vibrant and the color is mirrored in the icons on the clickwheel, it's 2nd gen mini
15:17 < alexd> second generation... I can't put linux on it
15:17 < alexd> :(
15:20 < stabwound> on the upside you have an 18 hour battery
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15:22 < peterburk> hey all
15:22 < peterburk> anyone here able to help me out with my first steps in C (browser.c) programming?
15:24 < BleuLlama> buy "The C Programming Language" By Kernighan and Ritchie
15:24 < peterburk> i've read the forums, i know about it
15:24 < BleuLlama> http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cbook/
15:25 < peterburk> i'm not trying to learn by working through though, i just want to mess around with whats already there
15:25 < BleuLlama> best place to start.  excellent tutorial/reference book for the basics of C
15:25 < peterburk> namely, clone the viP control process to make a file copier
15:27 < peterburk> quoting my existing code's error:
15:27 < peterburk> browser.c: In function `browser_paste_file':
15:27 < peterburk> browser.c:292: warning: too many arguments for format
15:27 < peterburk> this is the content of that line:
15:27 < peterburk> 		snprintf(execline, len, "cp \"%s/%s\"", current_dir current_file, "\"%s/%s\" /hp/copy");
15:28 < BleuLlama> learn c.  try the man pages.  that's a really messy way to copy a file, not to mention that it's wrong
15:28 < peterburk> bleullama: do you actually know C and understand that error?
15:28 < peterburk> sry, slow type
15:29 < BleuLlama> man snprintf
15:29 < peterburk> it's messy, but it's the only way right now
15:29 < BleuLlama> no. it's not the only way.
15:30 < peterburk> well, noones working on it, and i wanted it just the other day, i thought people would thank me for wanting to start messing around. maybe i'll be a dev someday
15:30 < BleuLlama> you can't just "dive in" to c.  you should do tutorials and such to understand what to do
15:30 < peterburk> i just dived into applescript and java, and did quite well. PINT, WIBS, theres some good code out there by none other than myself
15:31 < peterburk> though i had been told to go through boring tutorials, teaching myself my way is better
15:31 < BleuLlama> then i am not going to help you.  sorry.
15:32 < peterburk> if you cant help me, then do it yourself. C is messy by definitoin
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15:33 < BleuLlama> C is not messy, and you don't know what the fuck you're doing.  bye.
15:33 < BleuLlama> what a fucking tool.
15:34 < stabwound> lol
15:37 < BleuLlama> man, if i ever start an open source project, with many contributors, i'm going to have a "only contrubute if you've been coding in the language for 5+ years.
15:37 < BleuLlama> elitist?  probably.  i don't care.
15:38 < DucatiDesmoSedic> software patents?
15:38 < BleuLlama> what about software patents?
15:38 < DucatiDesmoSedic> you want a patent for developers! :) (as want to do in europe...)
15:39 < BleuLlama> heh
15:39 < BleuLlama> Ducati: by the way, your games are really cool. :)
15:40 < DucatiDesmoSedic> :)
15:40 < DucatiDesmoSedic> but if you read the source it is not so strictly 'c' eheh
15:42 < BleuLlama> looks pretty good to me.  (iPobble anyway)
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15:44 < tonkajds> iPobble rocks
15:50 < stabwound> yeah very nice work
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15:59 < tonkajds> sounds good to me
15:59 < tonkajds> sorry wrong box :-/
16:01 < DucatiDesmoSedic> iPobble has a really hard algorithm to find 3 or more balls connected
16:01 < DucatiDesmoSedic> and to find which balls has to fall...
16:01 < DucatiDesmoSedic> I din't thought at beginning about that... but it is not so easy...
16:01 < DucatiDesmoSedic> (also in an exagonal board!)
16:07 < BleuLlama> i personally probably would have made an array/graph that listed which bubble-slots connected to which other ones, and had weights on them, to help determine what should "fall"
16:07 < BleuLlama> haven't really thought of the problem much...  to me, the hard part would be figuring out the path that the bubble you 'fired' should take...
16:08 < macpod> nah, that's just sin and cosine stuff
16:09 < macpod> collision detection would be hard ;P
16:10 < DucatiDesmoSedic> the path an collision I found simple...
16:11 < DucatiDesmoSedic> path just using vectors... collision just looking if ball is inside another ball...
16:11 < macpod> mm true
16:11 < macpod> so none of it is hard
16:11 < BleuLlama> nah. collision detection is easy,  bounding box, then interior box... ;)
16:12 < DucatiDesmoSedic> but a group of balls not yet connected to balls that are connected to the top... it was hard!!!
16:12 < BleuLlama> ducati: for connecting-balls, do you jsut look at the bitmap in the screen?
16:12 < BleuLlama> or do you represent the grid elsewhere in ram, and just walk a tree to see if things are connected?
16:12 < DucatiDesmoSedic> no! I created an array as board
16:13 < DucatiDesmoSedic> set -1 if no ball
16:13 < BleuLlama> gotcha.  cool.
16:13 < BleuLlama> i understand
16:13 < DucatiDesmoSedic> and >=0 for each type of ball
16:13 < BleuLlama> well, nice work on it.
16:13 < BleuLlama> any other games you're working on?
16:13 < DucatiDesmoSedic> and another one to walk through the balls...
16:14 < DucatiDesmoSedic> not yet... I am deep of work... and in week end... now with sun... I go with my motorbike! ;)
16:14 < BleuLlama> :)
16:14 < BleuLlama> are you Italian?
16:14 < DucatiDesmoSedic> yes! you?
16:14 < BleuLlama> American.
16:15 < DucatiDesmoSedic> but I was thinking about the game where you throw bombs with cannon... setting angle and velocity...
16:15 < DucatiDesmoSedic> did you ever see something like?
16:15 < BleuLlama> aah.  yes.
16:15 < macpod> yes, in a game
16:15 < macpod> warioland 3
16:15 < BleuLlama> like Worms.
16:15 < macpod> er. 2
16:16 < DucatiDesmoSedic> and I am thinking also to a simple master mind... I think are great to have in iPod... and simple to do! ;)
16:16 < BleuLlama> Artillery  i believe the original was called back on the PC
16:16 < DucatiDesmoSedic> yes Artillery!
16:16 < BleuLlama> i'm still waiting for someone to somehow port or rewrite "Sopwith" ;)
16:17 < DucatiDesmoSedic> sopwith? never heard! what is it?
16:17 < stabwound> sounds familiar
16:17 < BleuLlama> an old CGA pc game.  you fly a biplane, dropping bombs on enemy targets
16:17 < BleuLlama> very very simple game.
16:17 < DucatiDesmoSedic> 2d?
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16:18 < BleuLlama> yes
16:18 < DucatiDesmoSedic> ah found on internet! something like
16:18 < DucatiDesmoSedic> scrambler
16:18 < BleuLlama> http://www.classicgaming.com/sopwith/
16:19 < DucatiDesmoSedic> I am there! ;)
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16:56 < coob> there's an sdl version of sopwith
16:56 < coob> someone ported it to psion linux
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17:06 < skitty> i've just install linux on my ipod and i dont know where to put the new games
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17:07 < skitty> can anyone point me in the right direction?
17:12 < tonkajds> read the documentation:   http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Documentation
17:17 < coob> you don't 'put' the games anyway - all games are integrated into podzilla, so you need a new podzilla
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17:17 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/Updating_podzilla
17:17 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/builds
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17:41 < Luke> up late today bern?
17:41 < leachbj> 18:41 BST, not really past my bed time just yet ;)
17:41 < nilss> leachbj: _show_speed works on my ipod with "clock in title" enabled :)
17:43 < leachbj> cool, what firmware version? i just see 0 on the photo :(
17:43 < nilss> 3.0.2
17:44 < nilss> it shows 20 when it's idle, 25..35 when playing mp3 and 80 when it loads a file.
17:46 < leachbj> ok, I'll check that version to see if its different
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17:56 < BleuLlama> cool. that works on 4g
17:56 < BleuLlama> 20 when idle
17:57 < BleuLlama> yeah. i'm seeing the same numbers/range
17:57 < BleuLlama> if ya care
17:57 < leachbj> what about aac?
17:58 < BleuLlama> lemme check
17:58 < BleuLlama> 27-30 for AAC.  25-29 for mp3
17:59 < BleuLlama> 192k mp3, 128k aac
17:59 < BleuLlama> protected aac: (128k) (iTMS song) 27-33
17:59 < leachbj> interesting, for those new decoders coob was playing with it seems like we would need it the other way round.
17:59 < BleuLlama> but it hovers around 31
18:00 < BleuLlama> 20 on pause. ;)
18:00  * BleuLlama goes back to work.  
18:00 < BleuLlama> (this is a 4g 20gig, fyi)
18:00 < leachbj> thats something to look for... hmmm
18:01 < BleuLlama> (this 128k protected aac hovers around 33
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18:23 < BleuLlama> should the 4G_Installer page even be on the wiki?
18:24 < BleuLlama> maybe there should be a huge disclaimer at the top stating to direct *all* support for that to the email addy at the bottom
18:24 < BleuLlama> not to mention that it is for windows only,
18:24 < leachbj> that seems fair.. infact <BLINK>email him</BLINK seems fair
18:25 < BleuLlama> yes.
18:25 < BleuLlama> i don't want people coming in here for support on that.
18:25 < BleuLlama> same with vipodzilla.
18:30 < BleuLlama> there.
18:30 < BleuLlama> perhaps too harsh, but i don't care.
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18:31 < leachbj> ;)
18:31 < BleuLlama> that guy wanted to put it up,  he gets to support it.
18:31 < BleuLlama> we should have similar disclaimers for the stupidly named viPodzilla
18:31 < leachbj> funny thing is we're only missing two things (besides some minor issues like the newer photo firmware) before we're good to go
18:32 < BleuLlama> what about audio?
18:32 < BleuLlama> we have audio on 4g working?
18:32 < leachbj> thats 1 of the two
18:32 < BleuLlama> where "we" means "you"
18:32 < leachbj> mostly
18:32 < BleuLlama> hehe
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18:36 < wembley> bleu
18:36 < wembley> the '4g installer' shouldn't even be credited to the guy who posted it
18:36 < wembley> it's the normal windows installer with a nightly build of the kernel
18:37 < wembley> and a dd of the hda3 taken from a 4g
18:37 < wembley> with a cvs make_fw
18:37 < wembley> ...he didn't do any work himself
18:37 < BleuLlama> is it legal for him to distribute that dd image?
18:37 < macpod> 4g support is ready?
18:37 < BleuLlama> macpod: do you want to be kicked?
18:37 < BleuLlama> ;)
18:37  * leachbj slaps macpod
18:37 < macpod> not it is not
18:37 < wembley> bleu, why wouldn't it be?
18:37 < wembley> the hda3 doesn't have the apple fw
18:38 < macpod> mm
18:38 < wembley> it's the userland partition
18:38 < BleuLlama> ah
18:38 < BleuLlama> I don't care who it's credited to.  I jsut don't want us supporting it.
18:38 < wembley> the normal installer has one aswell (albeit an older one)
18:38 < BleuLlama> it could be credited to Penfold the Hamster for all I care.
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18:39 < macpod> it's on the wiki now
18:39 < macpod> the 4g install instructions
18:39 < BleuLlama> yeah. i just added a huge fucking disclaimer at the top of it.
18:39 < BleuLlama> i should desaturate my vocabulary... it's too colorful.
18:42 < wembley> why does it seem like everyone using the 4g installer wants vipodzilla?
18:42 < coob> because they all suck?
18:43 < macpod> seconded
18:44 < leachbj> since we're picking on people; hows this for my inbox today
18:44 < leachbj> you may want to make a gui for the installer  so users dont have to use the
18:44 < leachbj> terminal
18:44 < leachbj> my email box can handle attachments of 14 meg
18:44 < coob> haha
18:44 < BleuLlama> my email box can handle A WOOLY MAMMOTH!
18:45 < BleuLlama> why did my ipod just reboot itself?
18:45 < tonkajds> because it doesn't like you
18:45 < BleuLlama> it's your fault, leachbj
18:45 < macpod> what did they send you?
18:45  * leachbj ducks
18:45 < macpod> and did you see my psd pics
18:45 < leachbj> i passed them on - thanks!
18:46 < BleuLlama> wemb: because vipodzilla is newer and has more stuff than regular podzilla, and with fewer calories per serving.
18:46 < BleuLlama> silly us for wanting stability.
18:46 < leachbj> macpod, they're photoshop or something right?
18:46 < stabwound> vipodzilla doesn't work on 4G or mini in it's current state
18:46 < macpod> yes
18:46 < macpod> 20 bundled in one psd file
18:46 < macpod> at least
18:47 < leachbj> ah ok, i dont have photoshop ;)
18:47 < leachbj> but I figure they would
18:47 < BleuLlama> one for each layer or something?
18:47 < macpod> yea
18:49 < smacmac> someone has compiled a viPodzilla that works
18:49 < smacmac> on 4Gs
18:49 < leachbj> lemme guess its called 'podzilla'?
18:49 < smacmac> what do you mean
18:50 < leachbj> well its the vi part that was borked so they probably just took that out and it worked!
18:50 < BleuLlama> wtf is the 'vi' in vipodzilla for?  what does it mean
18:50 < BleuLlama> ?
18:50 < leachbj> very-instable
18:50 < smacmac> it refers to viP
18:50 < BleuLlama> heh
18:50 < stabwound> yeah I compiled vipodzilla that works on new ipods
18:50 < stabwound> its on the forum somewhere
18:50 < coob> orginally vipodzilla let you hit a button on files in the browser and it launched vip to edit them
18:51 < coob> but then courtc commited a change like 2 days later witht he delayed press menu
18:51 < BleuLlama> ugh.
18:51 < BleuLlama> stupid name.
18:51 < coob> and since then vipodzilla has been cvs + plus every patch zsk009 can get his hands on., buggy or not :)
18:51 < BleuLlama> oh, i know what it is now
18:52 < BleuLlama> you're being way too polite
18:52 < smacmac> but why do you think it is bad? Has so many asked you for suport for it?
18:52 < BleuLlama> "so many" "any"
18:52 < BleuLlama> he writes it, puts it out there, then when people have problems they come in here for support.
18:53 < BleuLlama> regardless if it's one person a week, or 5 people a day...
18:53 < smacmac> That is sad
18:53 < BleuLlama> that we don't support it for him?
18:55 < smacmac> no
18:55 < macpod> does he really write it?
18:56 < BleuLlama> he makes it available.
18:56 < macpod> this is the reason I wanted to be so strict with the installer and checking the ipod version
18:56 < macpod> it so what is happeing to the windows installer wont happen
18:57 < leachbj> macpod, its a lost cause, someone will spend countless hours working out how to circumvent what ever you put in there despite being completely incapable of trying to find out why they are there in the first place
18:57 < smacmac> It is sad that you feel that his work is a problem when I guess he only wants to provide the great games like chopper, that I love myself,  to everyone.
18:58 < macpod> true, but they have to know how to use a compiler
18:58 < macpod> and that is something most dont know how to use
18:58 < leachbj> smacmac, the only problem is that we spend quite some time trying to make sure stuff works, then someone adds in some poorly tested patch which breaks and it comes back to us as a problem
18:59 < wembley> macpod
18:59 < macpod> wembly
18:59 < wembley> it isn't so much that people don't know how to use a compiler or that they can't install from linux...they just don't try (at least in my opinion)
18:59 < leachbj> its cool that he's getting these new patches out there but if there is no effort to fix the problems then it kinda looses any merit
19:00 < stabwound> if you guys don't like it so much then why do you support it on the website...
19:00 < coob> also be aware that as soon as the devs commit the patch the job isn't over
19:00 < coob> they're now in charge of maintaining the code
19:01 < coob> stabwound: the wiki's opent o everyone, anyone can edit pages
19:01 < BleuLlama> smacmac: think of it this way.  you wrote some piece of software, which you made sure was stable.  someone else takes that, hacks it, adds features, possibly reduces its stability.  Do you want to support those changes yourself?
19:01 < smacmac> I see that and it is OK, but I thought that this was kind of project that always will be beta or even alpha. But it is OK. You use so much time on this that you deserve to get respect when you mean so. So it means you do not want anybody others to post podzilla versions?
19:02 < smacmac> I see. But if he spent some time in here and gave suport, would it be OK.
19:02 < smacmac> ?
19:02 < BleuLlama> sure. as long as he supports the changes he's released
19:02 < coob> and provides all code
19:02 < BleuLlama> yes
19:02 < macpod> I have a solution to this
19:02 < macpod> the place where all this is spreading is the forums
19:02 < BleuLlama> preferrably, supports it in a different channel, not #ipodlinux, perhaps like #vipodzilla or somesuch
19:03 < macpod> why not make a new forum topic called something like Uber alpha crappy ass software
19:03 < BleuLlama> you mean a main topic?
19:03 < BleuLlama> i was thinking that yesterday.
19:03 < macpod> then hava a description that syays "it's here but we will notprovide support for it"
19:03 < BleuLlama> let all of the crap support and 3rd party crap be in there.
19:03 < macpod> then move all these threads like vipodzilla and the installer there
19:03 < macpod> I would really like if that occured
19:03 < BleuLlama> i released a podzilla (mikmodpodzilla) and i take full responsibility for its support. that's me.  not any of the other guys in this channel)
19:04 < BleuLlama> mikpod too, macpod.
19:04 < macpod> perhapse even make ti so when you check for the most recent topics, it does not show that forum
19:04 < macpod> as well as off tipic
19:04 < macpod> that is annoying too
19:04 < macpod> I dont need to read about leet speak
19:04 < coob> wheredoulive
19:05 < macpod> how old are you
19:05 < macpod> etc
19:07 < BleuLlama> i still think that hooking up Eliza to an irc bot would be a great support front-desk.
19:07 < BleuLlama> How does "I can't reboot my ipod" make you feel?
19:08 < smacmac> It is a solution. But not a great solution. Did you see what happended witth the 4G. It is unsuported as hell, but no one seems to care. Did you see what they did in the 4G installing thread? They installed linux without reading enough to see that it does not have any audio suport. If they heard that it was a podzilla that would give them one extra game and at the same time probably kill their iPod they would ignore it and install it.
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19:09 < BleuLlama> that's fine.  let them. but they shouldn't come crying in here when things break for them.
19:09 < BleuLlama> "Waa! I did this"  "we told you not to"  "but I did it!  you need to help me fix it now"
19:09 < BleuLlama> etc
19:09 < BleuLlama> it gets old REALLY fast
19:09 < macpod> mm
19:10 < macpod> we should also require authours of that software to provide contact details because we will not help them
19:10 < macpod> require a phone number
19:10 < BleuLlama> how do you mean?
19:10 < macpod> and if they dont put it, we have reson to remove their beta software
19:10 < macpod> and if they do
19:11 < macpod> the will quickly realize why we dont offer beta apps
19:11 < BleuLlama> the more i think about it, the more i think that 4G_Installer should be removed from the wiki
19:11 < BleuLlama> aah.  but there's a problem with that.
19:11 < macpod> I think ti should
19:11 < BleuLlama> say i make a new game, and it leaves podzilla in a bad state
19:11 < macpod> keep it in cvs
19:11 < macpod> or so
19:11 < BleuLlama> then the user goes to navigate the file browser, and it crashes
19:11 < BleuLlama> it looks like our stable stuff is bad, rather than the game.
19:12 < macpod> well it would nto be in cvs if it were bad
19:12 < BleuLlama> keep what in cvs?
19:12 < macpod> ignroe my first two lines of reply
19:12 < macpod> I was preocupied with eating
19:13 < BleuLlama> okay.  i don't understand your reply at all. hehe.
19:13 < macpod> lets say you make a new game
19:13 < macpod> it's not going to be put in cvs if it is terrible
19:13 < macpod> and if you release it on your own in a vipodzilla form, you will have to provide contact details
19:13 < BleuLlama> right.
19:14 < macpod> well, if someone checked it into cvs we know it is our fault so we woudl provide tech support
19:14 < macpod> but if ti is a vi type of deal, then you would be stuck giving supprot
19:14 < macpod> because you compiled it into podzilla
19:14 < BleuLlama> two things:  1: will the person installing read the readme.txt to see who to contact, or will they just go to ipodlinux.org or #ipodlinux and ask for support?
19:14 < BleuLlama> oh... oh...
19:14 < macpod> thus the game and the compiled podzilla are now your problem
19:14 < BleuLlama> i understannd.  make it a standalone
19:15 < macpod> right
19:15 < BleuLlama> just provide a simple framework and say "here, use this for your games".  (the framework is podzilla stripped down, made for a single game)
19:15 < BleuLlama> something like that?
19:15 < macpod> mm no
19:15 < macpod> I'm kinda in a rush so I cannot exlain it well
19:16 < macpod> essentially we would provide support for cvs and official binaries
19:16 < BleuLlama> tell that to the end user who just installed xxxpodzilla on their machine though.
19:16 < macpod> but if a person was using a binary that was not compiled by us or did not come from cvs, then we would not provide supprot for that
19:16 < macpod> instead, whomever compiled/offered source for that item would be responsible for answering questions
19:17 < macpod> and this woudl require them to list their contact info
19:17 < BleuLlama> if i were writing a game from scratch, i'd not want to have to write the microwindows/menu framework over from scratch... i'd start with podzilla... so my game would have menus, etc... which brings us back to vipodzilla.
19:17 < macpod> right
19:17 < macpod> vipodzilla was not written by us nor compiled
19:17 < BleuLlama> but it looks like it was, since it's podzilla based
19:17 < macpod> thus whomever made it has to provide contact details for support reasons
19:18 < macpod> it says vipodzilla in the front
19:18 < macpod> and people should know what they downloaded and used
19:18 < macpod> sdo i dont see a problem there
19:18 < BleuLlama> but it screams "podzilla" when you run it.
19:18 < macpod> I dont understand why loos are important
19:19 < macpod> we will know it is not ours when they start talking about unsupported features
19:19 < macpod> I need to go
19:19 < macpod> I feel that I have not communicated well
19:19 < BleuLlama> i think i'm just distracted enough to not 'get it'.
19:19 < BleuLlama> sorry.
19:21 < wembley> bleu
19:21 < wembley> why wouldn't you want to put the microwindows stuff in a game?
19:21 < wembley> it's almost the exact same thing as making a game in podzilla
19:24 < BleuLlama> no... i'm saying make a framework that looks EXACTLY like podzilla, but has almost no extra things.  no music engines, etc...
19:24 < BleuLlama> basically make it a single-game launcher.  simple menu support, etc.
19:24 < BleuLlama> then a game coder could just distribute "lights" executable, etc.
19:25 < wembley> i was working on a thing like that
19:25 < wembley> but it starting looking like it was going to be a podzilla clone but only for game
19:25 < wembley> s
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19:26 < BleuLlama> and this framework would be, itself, stable, and given with a 'blank' game in it.  drop in your own game, and nothing will be supported by the core team.
19:26 < courtc> wembley- poorly written games in podzilla can easily cause podzilla itself to act strangly. a single launcher idea shows the fact that its the game thats poorly written, not the engine
19:27 < wembley> yeah, i completely agree
19:27 < joecool> i'd probably agree if i was here to see the convo
19:30 < BleuLlama> you know what. screw it.  I'll make this mythical game launcher i'm talking about.  I'll  put it online, and suggest people use it instead of podzilla for distributing their own games.  it shouldn't take more than a half-evening to do.
19:30 < wembley> blue
19:30 < courtc> heh
19:30 < wembley> bleu*
19:30 < wembley> there is a problem [maybe]
19:30 < wembley> all the games will have to do all the input stuff (like debounce times)
19:30 < BleuLlama> there are always problems
19:30 < BleuLlama> so?
19:31  * courtc works on a native Small interface for adding simple apps/games..
19:31 < BleuLlama> sweet, court.  i can't wait to play around with that.
19:31 < BleuLlama> wemb: it'll basically be a "throwaway" podzilla core engine without the music db and such...
19:31 < wembley> ...if that is the case, why not make seperate apps for each game and use the file browser to start them?
19:31 < BleuLlama> that's the idea
19:32 < wembley> then why the effort?
19:32 < BleuLlama> except each game would be it's own binary with microwindows
19:32 < BleuLlama> that way when a game crashes, it doesn't make the rest of podzilla act bad.  and it would be my "lights" executable, and not my "podzilla" distro
19:32 < BleuLlama> it's really more symantics than anything
19:32 < BleuLlama> psychology.
19:33 < BleuLlama> if i ran "lights" on my own, and it screwed up, i'd talk to the author of lights about it
19:33 < wembley> ...the filebrowser launches apps outside of podzilla
19:33 < BleuLlama> if i ran a podzilla release with lights in it, and it crashed, i'd talk to the podzilla people.
19:34 < wembley> a scaled down filebrowser that looked in a directory for apps would work great
19:34 < BleuLlama> no need.  jsut use the regular filebrowser in podzilla.
19:34 < wembley> yeah
19:34 < wembley> that's what i said before, but you didn't like that idea
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19:34 < wembley> [14:31] <wembley> ...if that is the case, why not make seperate apps for each game and use the file browser to start them?
19:35 < BleuLlama> that's what i've been saying all along
19:36 < wembley> is the microwindows server that gets built into podzilla able to be the server for other apps?
19:36 < smacmac> Great idea! Perhaps you could make a extra menu called unsuportet games or something in podzilla in the extras menu and then let it open a unsuportet games folder lying in at the root level of the iPod. Then it would be easy to add and easy to use the games.
19:36 < BleuLlama> each game app is a stripped down podzilla core with the game code added
19:36 < BleuLlama> smacmac: probably not a bad idea.  i dunno though. heh.
19:37 < BleuLlama> or just tell people "lauch it from wherever you put it on the disk" to make it even less like it's supported by the core podzilla people
19:37 < BleuLlama> (re: us)
19:37 < wembley> bleu, if you want some apps to test it on, I have two games i've been working on
19:37  * courtc thinks he knows how to use a seperate nano-X server without the slowness we had problems with before..
19:37 < BleuLlama> nah. i'm good
19:37 < wembley> i think i still have them running as standalones
19:38 < wembley> courtc, a seperate nanxserver for each running app, or just one server running that podzilla and the apps use?
19:38 < BleuLlama> or we run games always in Virtual Machines, requiring 3rd party apps to be written in compiled-Small or something
19:38 < BleuLlama> that'd firewall them off well enough
19:38 < BleuLlama> 'firewall' is the wrong word... ummm...
19:38 < BleuLlama> DMZ?
19:38 < wembley> you mean like a wrapper?
19:38 < BleuLlama> like something to isolate them.
19:39 < courtc> wembley- just like xorg / xfree86
19:39 < BleuLlama> Small would be good, since it looks like C
19:39 < wembley> where the game maker is only allowed to pass calls to it and then it passes it to nanox
19:39 < BleuLlama> kinda.  It's pre-compiled... like running a JVM on there, but a lot quicker.
19:40 < BleuLlama> with no MMU though, a game could still barf over memory, depending on how Small works... i haven't looked at it enough. (hint hint(
19:40 < BleuLlama> anyway... thoughts for later. i gotta get back to work
19:41 < courtc> I've run 'Hello World' on the iPod in small with my abstract machine
19:41 < courtc> next is 'hello world' with new_message_window.. (got it working on X11)
19:42 < BleuLlama> sweet.  very cool to here
19:42 < wembley> do you have a url for small? google is giving me craptastic results
19:42 < BleuLlama> hear*
19:42 < BleuLlama> http://del.icio.us/Yorgle
19:42 < BleuLlama> oops.
19:42 < courtc> http://www.compuphase.com/small.htm
19:42 < BleuLlama> well, the link is there.
19:42 < wembley> ty
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19:49 < wembley> ugh
19:49 < wembley> Small looks not so fun
19:49 < courtc> eh? small is almost just like c
19:49 < wembley> the examples i just looked at looked icky
19:49 < wembley> it's loosetype?
19:50 < wembley> i didn't see any variable decs
19:50 < BleuLlama> variables are integers
19:50 < BleuLlama> wemb: if you want:  #define int
19:51 < BleuLlama> ;)
19:51 < courtc> print_board(const board[][])
19:51 < courtc> {
19:51 < courtc> 	new i, j;
19:51 < courtc> 	for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) {
19:51 < BleuLlama> (assuming there's a cpp with it, or something similar, m4? )
19:51 < courtc> ^-- example code
19:51 < courtc> yea, something like that.. #define int new
19:52 < BleuLlama> yeah.
19:52 < BleuLlama> or just... adapt.  :o
19:52 < courtc> :O
19:52 < courtc> no.. way..
19:52  * wembley will prolly just stick with c
19:53 < wembley> i need a project to work on
19:53 < BleuLlama> we'd need a small api for a 'game/app module'...  like "get_app_name()"  app_entry_point()  get_app_type()  etc...  so that it could be shoved into the menu appropriately.
19:53 < wembley> i know if i start a quake2 remake, i will work on it and not do anything else for weeks
19:54 < courtc> yea, that comes later..
19:54 < BleuLlama> (and i know that by suggesting the api, i volunteered to work on it. i'm okay with that)
19:54 < BleuLlama> ;)
19:54 < courtc> heh
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19:55 < courtc> int amx_GetString(char *dest, cell *source);
19:56 < courtc> small/wrappers.c:100: too few arguments to function `amx_GetString'
19:56 < courtc> small/wrappers.c:100: 	amx_GetString(pname, cstr);
19:56 < courtc> wtf?
19:56 < wembley> any warnings/errors before that?
19:56 < courtc> no
19:56 < wembley> hrrm
19:57 < wembley> werid
19:57 < wembley> weird*
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19:57 < BleuLlama> oh, man.  i've been doing C too long.  I just did a Java constructor:  public ImageFilter( char * name );
19:57 < BleuLlama> heh
19:58 < courtc> haha
19:58 < BleuLlama> i've written c++ code where i do things like:  this.variableName = ....
19:59 < BleuLlama> and i'm like, Why is the compiler barfing at that?
19:59 < BleuLlama> heh
19:59 < courtc> haha
19:59 < courtc> int AMXAPI amx_GetString(char *dest,const cell *source, int use_wchar); /* tricky bastards */
19:59 < leachbj> i like the variable names R0-R9 ;)
19:59 < wembley> leachbj, no ebx?
19:59 < BleuLlama> between work projects and personal projects, in a single day, i've got Z80 asm, C, C++, and Java in my head at different points during an average day
20:00 < BleuLlama> what about hl, ix, iy, af, bc, de, and r?
20:00 < BleuLlama> ;)
20:00 < BleuLlama> r is fun on Z80.
20:00 < leachbj> wembly: yuk
20:00 < BleuLlama> every time a memory access occurs (i believe), it is incremented
20:00 < BleuLlama> nice to add as part of a random number routine.
20:01 < wembley> lol...my asm workings have never really been constructive
20:01 < wembley> the last thing i did was disassemble a game to fix a stupid bug the developer won't fix
20:01 < courtc> register int R1; mov R1 new_number();
20:01 < courtc> ahh!
20:01 < BleuLlama> heh
20:02 < wembley> he had the joystick axis inverted
20:02 < BleuLlama> no, your joystick was just upside down
20:02 < wembley> and it would scale the input to 50% of what it really is
20:02 < wembley> bleu, it was happening for everyone i know [with different sticks]
20:02 < BleuLlama> i was joking
20:03 < wembley> i could get 100% power with the throttle on 0 and get 50% power when i had the throttle on 100
20:03 < wembley> i wasn't happy not being able to turn off my engine in a dogfight
20:03 < BleuLlama> pc joysticks are fun.  charge up a capacitor, now poll it until it discharges. the number of times you looped in the polling is the value for the position.  it's amazingly primitive, but cheap and effective.
20:04 < courtc> BleuLlama- thats cool.
20:06 < BleuLlama> joysticks (especially nowadays) slow down the system immensely.  that's also why you always had to calibrate a joystick when you started playing a game... temperature and humidity would effect the RC circuit. heh.
20:06 < BleuLlama> although, nowadays, that happens off of a USB micro, so it's not an issue. heh.
20:07 < wembley> my usb joystick never needs calibration :)
20:07 < BleuLlama> yep.
20:08 < wembley> blarg, it's taking forever to download vc++2k5
20:08 < wembley> 66mb shouldn't take this long :(
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20:13 < BleuLlama> warez talk elsewhere, please.
20:13 < courtc> you can now use warning(const msg[]); in a Small script for new_message_window on the iPod
20:13 < wembley> bleu
20:13 < wembley> vc++2k5 is free
20:13 < BleuLlama> cool. courtc.
20:13 < wembley> from MS
20:14 < BleuLlama> ah. sorry. assumed.
20:14 < wembley> http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/visualc/default.aspx
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20:18 < wembley> er, when this finally downloads
20:18 < wembley> i bet it's going to puke when i try to compile quake2
20:18  * wembley goes and tries to find his retro vc++6std cd
20:19 < courtc> use gcc
20:20 < wembley> i know vc++6 works with it though
20:20 < wembley> it's was carmack used on it
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20:20 < wembley> er, i should try to find the gcc info on it
20:23 < BleuLlama> i still have a Visual C 1.52 at home.  it builds 16 bit native stuff for win 3.11 whee!
20:24 < wembley> oh my
20:24 < wembley> i have most of the visual ___ stuff from MS since 6.0
20:24 < wembley> my school gives it to all the CS students for free
20:25 < leachbj> i have gcc 2 & 3 - they are _free_ ;)
20:25 < wembley> it's only the academic versions though :(
20:26 < wembley> crap
20:26 < wembley> my vc6 cd is not here
20:26 < courtc> heh leachbj
20:27 < courtc> thats what I'm talking about
20:27 < Z_Man> what is it courtc?
20:27 < courtc> wha?
20:27 < Z_Man> nvm
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20:34 < courtc> anyone own a headphones company and want to send me a pallet of headphones?
20:34 < Z_Man> hmm........ i don't...
20:34 < courtc> (I didn't even chew on these!)
20:36 < tonkajds> heh
20:38 < BleuLlama> I remember upgradng to VC4, and then VC5, which added HTML help) back at a previous job
20:41 < leachbj> courtc, i think i'm using my orig 2g headphones but they're a bit stuffed now
20:42 < courtc> heh, my 1g headphones died long ago.. I've gone through about 5 pairs since then..
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20:42 < BleuLlama> i hate the ear buds. but i still use them since they're easy to stash in a pocket
20:43 < BleuLlama> generally i use my Grado SR60's, or my Radio Shack (stop laughing) Pro-35's.  cheap and sound really good.  (stop laughing)
20:44 < tonkajds> heh heh heh
20:51 < thundrcleeze> "Radio Shack" and "Cheap" - now there's an oxymoron.
20:51 < BleuLlama> they're like $20 usually (on sale) and they have excellent dynamic range, volume, and response.
20:51 < BleuLlama> (They're Koss headphones)
20:51  * macpod has senheiser 600's
20:52 < macpod> and for running seinheiser px100s
20:52 < macpod> Bleu did you get what I was saying earlier?
20:53 < BleuLlama> the grados sound awesome though.  best $60 i spent
20:53 < BleuLlama> macpod: i don't think so?  what did you say?
20:53 < BleuLlama> (The radio shack pro 35's are the Koss KTX Pro-1's
20:53 < macpod> Meh, just for now a vote to open up a new forum topic
20:54 < macpod> And requiring anyone who posts in there to list their contact detail so they may provide tech support
20:54 < BleuLlama> senheiser makes really good cans.  haven't had much exposure to them, to be honest.  i just know they have a pretty good quality-for-the dollar.
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20:54 < macpod> they are awsome
20:54 < BleuLlama> er... "a pretty good" -> "really excellent"
20:54 < BleuLlama> brain wandering
20:54 < BleuLlama> macpod: sounds good to me.
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21:07 < coob> i have a pair of senheiser cans, they're ok
21:08 < macpod> how long have you used them for?
21:08  * courtc has a soldering iron and lots of solder..
21:09 < coob> about 2 days
21:10 < courtc> oh and _lots_ of pieces of old headphones
21:11 < macpod> you gotta run em  for like 50 hours
21:11 < macpod> let them wear in
21:11 < macpod> or least that is what my dad says and he is a complete audiophile
21:12 < coob> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=147629&cid=12371735 <-- best slashdot comment ever
21:12 < coob> macpod, i distrust audiophiles
21:12 < coob> unless they're professional sound engineers, I tend to ignore them
21:13  * BleuLlama hands coob a green magic marker to outline his CDs with
21:13 < coob> if i'm not ignoreing them, I'm busy selling them $5 speaker cable for $5000
21:13 < coob> no offense to your dad :)
21:13 < BleuLlama> more like $5 of lamp cord as $5000 speaker cable
21:16 < courtc> :)
21:16 < macpod> Nah , e knows whats up
21:16 < macpod> has the eqipment for testing etc
21:19  * BleuLlama still has just a Pro Logic decoder on his home stereo.
21:19 < BleuLlama> hehe
21:20 < BleuLlama> i think that with some of the $ i made on the pac-man crap, i'm gonna get me a new stereo.
21:20 < macpod> pac man?
21:20 < BleuLlama> yeah. i mentioned it in here before.
21:20 < BleuLlama> firmware for a multigame add-on-board for pac-man arcade machines
21:20 < macpod> must have been idle.. glaot!
21:21 < BleuLlama> screenshots, menu, a few new games (including a tetris clone)...
21:21 < macpod> mm
21:21 < BleuLlama> lots of pac, mspac variants...  had to hack the games, as well as write everything from scratch.  Here's a CPU, sprite/sound hardware. have fun.
21:21 < BleuLlama> basically wrote a lot of OS-like functions for it. :)
21:22 < macpod> sounds fun
21:22 < BleuLlama> timers, event schedulers, music playback routines, random number generator, input handlers, etc.
21:22 < BleuLlama> yeah. it was.  but after 15 months of working on it, i'm kinda done for a little while
21:22 < BleuLlama> ld b,#0 : djnz .
21:23  * BleuLlama spins around 255 times.
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21:33 < Hostile> hey im going to build a device that uses like 7 double As to charge an ipod
21:33 < Hostile> and put it in an altoids container
21:34 < wembley> 7double A's wont fit dudo
21:34 < Hostile> my bad
21:34 < Hostile> i might use triple As
21:34 < wembley> http://ipod.hackaday.com/
21:35 < Hostile> you think 4 AA's will be enough to charge it
21:35 < Hostile> ?
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21:35 < wembley> you can do it with a 9V
21:36 < Hostile> there is a design with 2 9vs and 2 AAs
21:36 < Hostile> but that is not a good idea
21:36 < Hostile> well
21:36 < Hostile> it will work
21:37 < Hostile> but there is a potential for battery explosion
21:38 < Hostile> I wonder if 4 AAs can power an ipod
21:39 < wembley> all you need is 5V of power
21:39 < Hostile> but you also need so mach amperage
21:39 < Hostile> much*
21:41 < Hostile> I wonder how many mAh 4 AAs
21:41 < Hostile> is
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21:45 < Hostile> wembley, you think 4 AAs will work?
21:47 < wembley> iunno
21:47 < wembley> try it
21:47 < wembley> if you ipod dies, at least you found an easy way to break an ipod :D
21:48 < wembley> your*
21:48 < BleuLlama> oh, i can think of an easier way.
21:48 < wembley> without smashing it though
21:49 < Hostile> wembley, its more a matter of if it will charge it
21:50 < Hostile> hmm
21:50 < Hostile> I wonder if 6 AAs will fit?
21:51 < wembley> AA's are bad for charging an ipod
21:51 < wembley> they are really expensive
21:52 < courtc> why don't you just buy a higher capacity battery?
21:52 < Hostile> wembley, there is nothing really cheaper
21:53 < Hostile> courtc, pssh thats boring im looking for a project
21:53 < Hostile> i should just buy a PSP game though
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22:14 < leachbj> night all
22:15 < courtc> 'night
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