--- Log opened Mon Apr 18 00:00:02 2005 00:00 < joecool> i'm sorry.. its been 33 hours of no sleep.. 00:01 < BleuLlama> they don't appear constantly on ebay, but when they do, they usually go for right around $100. 00:01 < BleuLlama> i got mine at a ham-radio fest a few years back for $50. :) 00:02 < BleuLlama> i had some console apps (shell, vi) on it for a while, but their interfaces sucked, so i switched to the Wince apps directly (pocket word, etc) 00:02 -!- budgie [~undef@budgie.user] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:02 -!- zsk001 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 00:03 < BleuLlama> oh, and it has VGA out too. 00:04 -!- bubba_ [~rawles@aloha.cs.bris.ac.uk] has quit ["If you play with it, it will fall off."] 00:15 -!- brindo [~chris@ppp103-239.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:19 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:23 -!- MikesTooL [~Avalaunch@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has quit [] 00:30 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:34 -!- nunofgs [~nunofgs@a83-132-66-96.netcabo.pt] has joined #ipodlinux 00:35 < nunofgs> heh, I'm the geekiest guy I know 00:36 < nunofgs> right now I'm sitting in my bed with internet (I've had no internet for like 3 weeks) 00:36 < nunofgs> my access point is inside 2 plastic bags, tied to the end of 2 broomsticks outside of my window, stealing wireless from 500meters away 00:36 < nunofgs> http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs25&d=05161&f=DSC00075.JPG 00:36 < nunofgs> http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs25&d=05161&f=DSC00078.JPG 00:36 < nunofgs> :P 00:37 < nunofgs> finally internet at home. Now I can concentrate on iPL 00:37 < tanq_> heh... loser 00:37 < tanq_> you should have just bought a better antenna 00:37 < tanq_> you can get them pretty cheap 00:37 < nunofgs> too many walls in between my house 00:38 < nunofgs> it already has a 5dbi antenna 00:38 < nunofgs> I'm gonna put it on my roof this week 00:38 < nunofgs> with a decent case that doesnt let water in 00:39 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 00:51 < coob> haha nunofgs 00:51 < coob> that's great 00:55 -!- bubba_ [~Bubba@213.205.203.194] has joined #iPodLinux 00:55 -!- macpod [~Jeff@hc6524697.dhcp.vt.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:57 -!- zsk001 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:04 -!- calla_lily [~iamtheora@ip68-101-178-86.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:04 -!- calla_lily [~iamtheora@ip68-101-178-86.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:07 -!- brindo [~chris@ppp103-239.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:13 -!- bubba_ [~Bubba@213.205.203.194] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 01:13 -!- ericbailey [~ericbaile@65-103-4-32.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:14 -!- nunofgs [~nunofgs@a83-132-66-96.netcabo.pt] has quit ["going to be for the night."] 01:17 -!- ericbailey [~ericbaile@65-103-4-32.mpls.qwest.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 01:20 < Z_Man> is there usually only 35 people in here? i thought there was usually more.. 01:22 < Z_Man> hmm.. 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already do? 01:54 < Daishi> leaving...g'night 01:55 -!- Daishi [~daishi@Daishi.member.nylug] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:55 < coob> i swear he's a script. 01:55 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 01:55 < courtc> haha 01:57 < courtc> re: polling.. I think so.. 02:00 < coob> hm ok 02:01 * courtc could be wrong, he often is. 02:01 * BleuLlama is wronger! HA! 02:02 < courtc> um.. ok.. I'll let you have that one... I guess... 02:02 < BleuLlama> A WINNER IS ME! 02:03 < coob> every time i sit down to start writing this music playing stuff, I keep looking at how mpd does it, then think, why not use mpd 02:03 < coob> the only thing stopping me is that mpd is a minor beast to understand :/ 02:04 < coob> integration with itunesdb would also be a winner. 02:06 -!- will` [~will@adsl-67-119-9-46.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:06 < BleuLlama> a time machine would be pretty darn cool too. 02:08 < courtc> yea, mpd is a winner... but very bloated for what we need.. 02:09 < coob> i actually think i could work the helix decoder stuff into normalperson's mpd... 02:09 < joecool> BleuLlama: whatever happened to the IBM Meta Pad? 02:09 < courtc> coob- he's already doing the aac stuff.. 02:10 < coob> he is? neat.. 02:10 < BleuLlama> i dunno. never heard of it before... 02:10 < courtc> ok, time to start hacking on AAC in the hope that it'll get somebody to write a small screen mpd client for me 02:10 < courtc> thats me :) 02:10 < coob> heh a client's easy with your menu stuff :D 02:11 < courtc> that was the original reason I wrote the menu stuff.. :) 02:11 < coob> i guess muggins here 02:11 < coob> <-- 02:11 < coob> will be stuck with itunesdb integration :) 02:12 < courtc> heh, muggins.. 02:12 < joecool> BleuLlama: it was a project IBM had like 3 years ago.. similiar to a tablet PC powered by a 800mhz Transmeta Crusoe 02:12 < courtc> coob- I'll help.. just say the word, and point me to a file.. 02:12 < BleuLlama> oh, i dunno. i don't really follow ibm. heh 02:12 < coob> heh 02:12 < BleuLlama> i ahve an old P133 thinkpad, and the workpad 02:13 < BleuLlama> and some IBM hard drives. heh 02:13 < courtc> bern hates big chages though.. so we'll need a StrongARM 02:13 < courtc> I'm so punny 02:13 < coob> it's ok we'll gang up on him :) 02:13 < joecool> BleuLlama: i'm lookin for somethin cheap I can depend on.. 02:14 < BleuLlama> like mexican labor? 02:14 < BleuLlama> that was much funnier in my head 02:14 < BleuLlama> nevermind 02:14 < coob> he said 'depend on'... 02:14 < coob> 02:14 < BleuLlama> ZING! 02:15 < joecool> nono.. i already have one who cleans my room.. he's lazy as fuck though.. and I pay him 100 pesos a week 02:15 < joecool> when he works 02:15 < coob> all mexicans i know are hard working 02:15 -!- Grunt is now known as GruntWillBBL 02:15 < courtc> the mexicans are actually an industriousand reliable people "The More You Know" 02:15 < coob> there is admittedly only 1, and he resides in my head and tells me to drink tequilla.. boy he works hard. 02:16 < coob> haha 02:16 < courtc> heh 02:16 < coob> new family guy next month :D 02:16 < courtc> yay! 02:16 < BleuLlama> get an old P133 thinkpad, and call it done 02:17 < BleuLlama> 20 minute battery life #1 02:17 < courtc> BleuLlama- feel free to send me that P133.. I've run out of stuff to break unintentionally ;) 02:18 < BleuLlama> hehe. i gotta get my linux install working on it again. 02:18 < joecool> BleuLlama: yeah.. but i'm lookin for something with at least 4-5 hours of battery under some use 02:18 < coob> ouh 02:18 < coob> i never realised mpd used mp4ff heh 02:18 < BleuLlama> works fine in single user, but in multiuser, i tdoesn't accept any logins. hehe 02:18 < coob> hmm 02:18 < coob> i'm afraid i'm going to have steal their streaming/buffering stuff 02:18 < BleuLlama> joe: good luck! try http://www.compgeeks.com/ they have some good deals on old laptops 02:18 < courtc> coob- thats where mpd excells.. 02:19 < coob> yeah 02:19 < coob> that buffering code is neat. 02:19 < courtc> err.. accells ? 02:19 < coob> i don't get any of it 02:19 < coob> excels* 02:19 < coob> but it's neat :) 02:19 < courtc> yea, it has disk buffering stuff also.. 02:21 < coob> also i need to investiagte putting flacs into itunedb :/ 02:23 -!- will` [~will@adsl-67-119-9-46.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 02:29 < courtc> hmm.. X functions seem to be fairly well distributed usage wise, with StandardReadRequestFromClient coming on top followed closely by XYToWindow.. 02:29 * courtc realizes hes _way_ off-topic.. 02:29 * courtc stfu 02:30 * coob watches courtc port xorg to ipod 02:31 < courtc> nah, we already have a stripped down version of X on the ipod.. 02:31 < coob> but i want xineerama support! 02:31 < courtc> umm... 02:31 < coob> with my shuffle! 02:33 < courtc> heh theres a function called WaitForSomething 02:36 < courtc> while (!something); printf("something!"); 02:40 -!- joecool [~joecool@joecool.no-sources] has quit ["zZzZzZ"] 02:48 -!- will` [~will@adsl-64-166-17-10.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:48 -!- Flik [~flik@d207-6-196-246.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:50 -!- ericj [~eric@cpe-65-29-66-66.indy.res.rr.com] has quit [] 02:54 < BleuLlama> courtc: go do something useful... like porting DOOM to the ipod 02:55 -!- GruntWillBBL is now known as Grunt 03:00 -!- zsk001 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit ["Like GPL Licenses ? Use Gluon IRC !"] 03:02 < tanq_> yeah i have given up on all of my ipod projects 03:02 < tanq_> I obviously don't know enough to code drivers.. and the kvm idea seems more work than its worth.. 03:14 -!- CIA-11 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:14 -!- CIA-11 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #ipodlinux 03:24 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-103.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["<+phlange> i said 'dhcp' and the tech support guy started to cry and go 'i hate my job i hate my job i hate my job'"] 03:33 -!- ericj [~eric@cpe-65-29-66-66.indy.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:33 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has joined #ipodlinux 03:36 < ericj> hey, is there anybody that knows how i could add another user account to the ipod? 03:39 -!- will` [~will@adsl-64-166-17-10.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:43 < BleuLlama> why would you need to? 03:45 < ericj> i'm trying to get an http server working http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=163 03:45 < ericj> and it complains about users 03:47 -!- Grunt [~grunt@grunt.wikipedia] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:48 < BleuLlama> is there even an /etc/passwd? 03:48 < BleuLlama> you could just add an entry in that, make a directory for their home... 03:50 < ericj> that's true, it's worth a shot i guess 03:50 -!- srome [~poop@c-24-14-82-90.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:51 < BleuLlama> it's how we did it before "adduser" 03:51 < BleuLlama> aaah. 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07:14 -!- jesse [~jesse@c-67-162-65-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:17 -!- JonasNZ_ [jbergler@210-55-35-203.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 07:20 -!- jesse [~jesse@c-67-162-65-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:20 -!- Tonkajds [jesse@c-67-162-65-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:21 < Tonkajds> Good morning all! 07:23 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:44 -!- Tonkajds [jesse@c-67-162-65-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:47 -!- Reavus [Reavus@203-219-231-140-lak-ts3-2600.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 07:47 < Reavus> hi everyone 07:49 -!- wembley [~eric@143.44.114.242] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:55 < Reavus> so, when will ther be a linux fo the iPod mini? 07:58 -!- JonasNZ_ is now known as JonasNZ 07:59 < Reavus> hello? 07:59 < Reavus> is anyone on here? 07:59 < Reavus> ablah! 07:59 < Reavus> hi 07:59 < Reavus> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 07:59 < JonasNZ> Reavus, you though about the possibility that we might be ignoring you for a reason 07:59 < Reavus> nope 08:00 < Reavus> why? 08:01 < JonasNZ> dont pm me either 08:01 < Reavus> why? 08:01 < JonasNZ> may i give you a clue 08:01 < Reavus> yea sure 08:01 < JonasNZ> LOOOK AT THE BLOODY TOPIC 08:02 < Reavus> well that doesnt explain anything 08:02 -!- heath [~nobody@adsl-63-196-194-88.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:02 < JonasNZ> yeah it should, unless you havent actually read the site 08:02 < Reavus> well thats wot im doing now 08:02 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:02 < Reavus> on my slow, slow dialup 08:04 < Reavus> well, that still doesnt explain why people have been ignoring since i said hello 08:05 < Reavus> so, if i were to talk on this channel, what should i talk about? 08:07 < Reavus> can i get any other programs for my 3G ipod with podzilla? 08:09 < Reavus> oh, i get it. the whole point of this channel is to sit around and not talk about anything. and if anyone says anything thats off topic, you shouldnt say anything, even though no-one else is talking 08:09 < Reavus> makes sense 08:10 -!- Reavus [Reavus@203-219-231-140-lak-ts3-2600.tpgi.com.au] has left #ipodlinux [] 08:26 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:26 -!- budgie [~undef@budgie.user] has joined #ipodlinux 08:28 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:39 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 08:46 < EvilDude> http://ipodlinux.org/Windows_nightly_build_installation 08:47 < EvilDude> Those instructions CANT work can they? 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13:21 < EvilDude> actually dont worry 13:23 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 13:30 -!- MikesTooL [~Avalaunch@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:30 < MikesTooL> hello 14:14 -!- Mikes|ALT [~Avalaunch@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:20 -!- OLwork [~OLwork@193.11.14.68] has joined #ipodlinux 14:23 -!- MikesTooL [~Avalaunch@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:32 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:36 -!- bLeW [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162187001.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:36 -!- Ataraxis [~ataraxis@p54AC64DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:37 -!- beber [~Miranda@lcbv4-1-57.n.club-internet.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 14:42 -!- Z_Man [1000@dhcp024-209-094-095.woh.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 14:42 -!- bLeW [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162187001.nl.aliant.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:44 < beber> is there anyone here ? 14:44 < coob> nope :( 14:44 < beber> yehhh! 14:45 < beber> I'm really interested in linux ports but I don't understand why we can still say it is Linux 14:46 < beber> to port Linux on an IPod, the source needs to be rewritten at least in part, no ? 14:46 < bon> it is based on linux 14:46 < bon> and it is linux 14:46 < bon> so what do you call it then? 14:47 < coob> does that even matter? 14:47 < beber> what is kept from the original kernel ? 14:47 < beber> I'm just wondering how it works 14:47 < bon> coob: i'm just trying to make a point - the original question was pointless :) 14:48 < coob> beber: look at the patchs and see what it changes, it's pretty clear 14:48 < coob> and remember it's based on the uclinux kernel not the vanilla kernel 14:48 < coob> so that's alreaady a little different 14:51 < beber> I couldn't find any document on how to port Linux to another platform 14:51 < beber> what were the files to be rewrtitten, and all that stuff 14:51 < bon> hmm.. is it totally another plattform? 14:51 < bon> i wouldn't say so 14:52 < beber> for example the IPod 14:52 < coob> beber: what do you think the 'arch' dir in the kernel source is for? 14:52 -!- Z_Man [1000@dhcp024-209-094-095.woh.rr.com] has quit ["switching desktop envirernment"] 14:54 < beber> well, I'm not a kernel programmer, I'm learning by myself how operating systems work ;) 14:55 < coob> neither am i... 14:57 < beber> could you recommend me some sites about porting linux ? 14:59 < coob> not really, i wouldn't have a clue.. what are you trying to port it to? 15:00 < beber> not tryin to port anything, just trying to understand what has been done to put Linux in an IPod or in handhelds 15:01 < coob> well then the best way is to look at the ipod2 patch 15:01 < BleuLlama> it has the same api's, general structure, kernel source... it's linux. get over it. 15:01 < BleuLlama> apis* 15:03 -!- bubba_ [~rawles@kohala.cs.bris.ac.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 15:06 < beber> thanks coob, that's what I was looking for ! 15:07 < coob> beber: cvs is more up to date, ipod2 is pretty old 15:07 < coob> ipodlinux.org/CVS 15:10 < bubba_> I have a suggestion for the website... An FAQ asking if it's possible to get the iPod back to how it was before should you ever want to. BTW what a cool project! 15:11 < courtc> bubba_- look again ;) 15:11 < bubba_> I sense I'm being daft. 15:11 < coob> the force is strong with this one.. 15:12 < bubba_> Sorry guys 15:12 < bubba_> So the Apple firmware restorer will put everything back to just apple, ie it will remove ipodlinux? 15:13 < coob> as will just restoring your backup 15:13 < BleuLlama> it will make your ipod as it was when you bought it 15:13 < bubba_> oh ok 15:14 < bubba_> does the installer make a backup then? 15:14 < coob> thats not techincally true :) 15:14 < Mikes|ALT> if you told it to 15:15 < Mikes|ALT> not of all your files though 15:15 < bubba_> but presumably the firmware restorer doesn't delete all the files either 15:15 < bubba_> i'm keen to give this a go, but i'm just making sure i don't mess things up :-) 15:16 < BleuLlama> if you select 'ipod restore' from the updater/restore utility from apple, it will wipe your hard drive. 15:16 < Mikes|ALT> hey coob i got it on my ipod photo it starts scrolling the text then fails 15:16 < BleuLlama> and if you have a PC-ipod, you will need to repartition it, which might lose all of your files. 15:16 < BleuLlama> in summary: MAKE A BACKUP so you don't end up bitching at us when you lose all of your songs. 15:17 < BleuLlama> ;) 15:17 < hyarion> i lost all my songs when i wiped my hard drive... forgot to make backup 15:17 < bubba_> Okay, and I make a backup with the installer do I? 15:18 < hyarion> be sure you have all tunes on your computer, and all other files too 15:18 < bubba_> thats not possible 15:18 < bubba_> i can backup the files though 15:19 < BleuLlama> make a backup with whatever you use to make backups with 15:19 < BleuLlama> installer backs up your firmware partition... not the music partition. that's your responsibility 15:19 < bubba_> oh i see 15:19 < bubba_> i thought you were telling me to make firmware backups 15:19 < bubba_> with something other than the installer 15:19 < bubba_> sorry 15:20 < bubba_> i can just copy the files across to do a file backup then 15:21 < BleuLlama> if you get all of the hidden files, yes. On a Mac, I suggest "Carbon Copy Cloner" to do all of the hard work for you. copy the drive to a disk image or folder.) 15:21 < BleuLlama> on a PC, you're on your own. 15:21 < bubba_> ok 15:22 < bubba_> thanks for your advice. this is a really cool project 15:22 < Poseiden> On a PC use xcopy. 15:22 < Poseiden> Or Windows Explorer. 15:22 < BleuLlama> will xcopy get all of the hidden files, and long filenames and other stuff like that? 15:22 < Poseiden> BleuLlama: if you tell it to. 15:22 < BleuLlama> last time i used xcopy was on msdos 6.22 15:23 < BleuLlama> stop with the private messages Mikes|ALT 15:23 < BleuLlama> no, i will not send you my firmware partition or anything like that. 15:23 < Poseiden> BleuLlama: heh. Ditto, as a matter of fact. I just port GNU fileutils over and use them. They have no respect for NTFS file attributes. 15:24 < hyarion> btw... how does itunes check which copy the ipod is linked with? 15:24 < BleuLlama> yeah. last time i used a pc extensively, i used the file utils included with the DJGPP packages. 15:24 < BleuLlama> hyarion: huh? 15:24 < Mikes|ALT> i dint ask you for your firmware partition 15:24 < Mikes|ALT> lol 15:24 < Poseiden> hyarion: I think each ipod has an id living inside. 15:25 < coob> hyarion: the SysInfo file 15:25 < hyarion> it wasn't the ipod's hard drive i wiped 15:25 < BleuLlama> no, Mikes. i don't *got* an ipod photo 15:25 < bubba_> the music player, does it play from the files or from the itunesdatabase? 15:25 < Mikes|ALT> ok 15:25 -!- JMunakra [~JMunakra@dsl-084-059-195-003.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:25 < coob> the firmware generates it believe 15:25 < BleuLlama> yes, coob, it does. i've modified mine, restarted the ipod in apple firmware, and the file was restored 15:25 < Poseiden> coob: inneressin. The portion on disk? 15:25 < coob> ? 15:26 < BleuLlama> ? 15:26 < coob> sprekker die english sil vous plait. 15:26 < Poseiden> coob: the firmware generates the SysInfo? The portion of the firmware residing on disk, that is susceptible to modification? 15:26 < coob> yes 15:26 < BleuLlama> bubba: the db just has info about the tracks; id3-like info, playcounts, pathnames to the files, playlists, etc. 15:26 -!- JMunakra [~JMunakra@dsl-084-059-195-003.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:27 < coob> theres another way to tell roughly what gen also i think, something based on hd serials probably 15:27 < coob> for when the disk is fuckered. 15:27 < bubba_> Oh right so it's just itunes which doesn't let me copy it back, rather than it being in some clever db 15:27 < coob> but most of the time it just uses the SysInfo file 15:28 < BleuLlama> bubba: that's a messed up wya of saying it, but yeah. i guess. all of the files are on the ipod hard drive, but in hidden directories 15:28 < coob> hmm can you fflush a fifo 15:28 < BleuLlama> itunes just shields you from that 15:28 < bubba_> ok 15:28 < bubba_> that's interesting 15:28 < bubba_> thanks for explaining it. 15:28 < Poseiden> coob: don't think so. Think it blocks. 15:29 < Poseiden> (but it's worth looking up) 15:29 < BleuLlama> that's their way of preventing the user from stealing other peoples music, or sharing their own music illegally. 15:29 < BleuLlama> but there are tools that will let you extract the files easily, as i;m sure you know 15:29 < bubba_> yeh 15:29 < BleuLlama> (for all platforms) 15:29 < bubba_> i've never had to do that before though 15:29 < BleuLlama> i don't bother. 15:30 < bubba_> i dont have a home computer so i only ever use my ipod to listen to music 15:31 < BleuLlama> my powerbook has a 20gig drive, my ipod has a 20 gig drive. all of my on-line music is on my ipod (manual update). i jsut use iTunes/the powerbook as a staging area for my ipod. I'm sure that'll change when i get a new powerbook 15:31 < bubba_> yes, i am exactly the same 15:31 < Poseiden> coob: hrm. It appears to depend on how you opened the fifo. 15:32 < hyarion> macHen:/Volumes/podHen/iPod_Control/Music hyarion$ cp */*.* ~/Music/ <--I hope it works :D 15:32 * BleuLlama giggles at *.* 15:33 < coob> haha 15:33 < BleuLlama> that will copy the music, but not the playlists or anything else like that. 15:33 < coob> *.* is soooo dos 15:33 < BleuLlama> yep. files don't always have a "." in them. 15:34 < coob> hm that won't coppy anything 15:34 < hyarion> I was first writing *.mp3 15:34 < coob> as all the music is in FF0X dirs 15:34 < coob> or F0X dirs... 15:34 < BleuLlama> how about cp -R path/to/ipod/ipod_control ~ 15:34 < Poseiden> coob: but once the fifo is actually moving data, you should be able to fflush with effect. 15:34 < BleuLlama> although -r would work just as well in this case 15:35 < BleuLlama> everything you should care about is in iPodControl... 15:35 < Poseiden> Time for real work... 15:35 < coob> yeah 15:35 -!- Poseiden is now known as Poseiden_afk 15:35 < BleuLlama> i restored an ipod by just copying that. worked great. playlists, music, etc. 15:35 < coob> BleuLlama: i'm not using it to move real data 15:35 < coob> using it as a control mechanism... 15:35 < BleuLlama> hmm? 15:36 < coob> like echo 'play file.mp3' > control.fifo 15:36 < BleuLlama> oh. i dunno about fifos.. 15:36 < coob> yeah tricky buggers. 15:36 < BleuLlama> i was talking to hyarions 15:36 < BleuLlama> -s 15:36 < BleuLlama> :} 15:37 < coob> ah sorry 15:38 < hyarion> lol i did make a music backup after all :P 15:40 < BleuLlama> with no playlists or ancillary data. 15:41 < coob> wtf adobe bought macromedia? 15:54 -!- jniklast [~jniklast@p5481B4D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:55 -!- jniklast [~jniklast@p5481B4D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:55 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:05 -!- beber [~Miranda@lcbv4-1-57.n.club-internet.fr] has left #ipodlinux [] 16:16 -!- james [1000@nr4-216-196-156-194.fuse.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:18 < james> courtc could u do my a tiny teeny favor 16:18 < courtc> does it involve prunes? 16:18 < james> visit this website to test and make sure its configured right sofar 16:18 < BleuLlama> Prunes. Old people food. 16:19 < BleuLlama> that'd be a great ad campaign 16:19 < james> rofl 16:19 < james> lpf420.ath.cx/defaced/welcome.html 16:19 < courtc> why me? 16:19 < james> dont let the stupid name scare u 16:19 < james> any1 im dying to kno if i worked out dynamic dns correctly 16:19 < BleuLlama> Lpf owned? 16:19 < james> YES it works!!! 16:19 < coob> wtf 16:19 < james> i don own that shit 16:20 < james> it came straight from my box 16:20 < coob> sounds like you want someone elses ips in a log. 16:20 < james> woohoo 16:20 < james> ywhatever 16:20 < james> why would ill still have the main apache deafault pages 16:21 < james> ythis is cool i have a web domain now 16:21 < james> now i can get hacked 16:21 < james> uh oh 16:21 < coob> The requested URL /james(1000@nr4-216-196-156-194.fuse.net/sent/us/here was not found on this server. 16:21 < coob> :) 16:22 < BleuLlama> nice. sendmail is still turned on 16:22 < james> stop it 16:22 < coob> stop what? requesting 404s? 16:22 < james> might aswell put a big signon the front door that says hack me 16:23 * coob waits for cries of 'WHU STOLE MY MEGAHUTRZZZ' 16:23 < james> least im climbing the ladder not twiddling my fingers like most 16:23 < james> im making steps darnit 16:23 < james> RESPECT it 16:24 < BleuLlama> well, if you're not going to bother to secure your box, you're asking to be hacked by script kiddies 16:24 < james> time 16:24 < james> time to get back to work 16:24 < BleuLlama> might as well just pour a coke into your computer. it'll have the same result, but it's a lot quicker 16:24 < james> bye bye thanx guyz lemmie no when 4g's supported 16:24 -!- james [1000@nr4-216-196-156-194.fuse.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:25 < coob> oh no, looks like we're going to have stick him on the telepathic mailing list! 16:25 * BleuLlama sends mail via: telnet lpf420.ath.cx 25 16:25 -!- bon [~bon@blackmamba.local.sk] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 16:26 < BleuLlama> hahaha. he pulled the machine offline 16:26 < coob> haha is it an open relaY? 16:26 -!- bon [~bon@blackmamba.local.sk] has joined #ipodlinux 16:26 < BleuLlama> i just created a few emails to his root account. 16:26 < BleuLlama> from god@james.is.a.noob.com 16:26 < BleuLlama> SMTP is easy to use via telnet. 16:26 < courtc> haha.. 16:26 < BleuLlama> especially when an idiot doesn't bother securing his machine 16:27 < BleuLlama> lunchtime. 16:27 < BleuLlama> later 16:27 * BleuLlama idles 16:27 < courtc> mmm lunch 16:29 < coob> heh nearly dinnertime heere 16:30 < courtc> if you live in a reasonable timezone its lunch-thirty 16:32 < coob> hey shuttup we own time :) 16:32 < hyarion> I also want to eat lunch! 16:33 < hyarion> it's 18:33 here :( 16:33 < courtc> not now.. you're in BST.. hah! 16:35 < courtc> and besides.. I get to eat lunch... 16:35 * courtc wins 16:36 -!- hyarion [~hyarion@1-1-10-41a.um.um.bostream.se] has quit ["hyarion lost"] 16:38 < coob> Mon Apr 18 17:38:14 BST 2005 16:38 < coob> == bst.. 16:38 < coob> oh 16:38 < coob> yes well :/ 16:38 < coob> hmf! 16:42 * courtc starts adding a bug to flyspray: Ugliness 16:55 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/requests/index.php?do=details&id=60 17:00 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-5f5b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #iPodLinux 17:04 < Mikes|ALT> got podzill to run on my ipod finaly 17:04 < courtc> gj 17:05 < Mikes|ALT> bluecube and the matrix look cool on the ipod photo 17:06 -!- Mikes|ALT is now known as MikesTooL 17:06 < courtc> indeed 17:07 < MikesTooL> now i gotta wait for all my songs to tansfer to it agian 17:08 -!- budgie [~undef@budgie.user] has joined #ipodlinux 17:20 -!- MikesTooL [~Avalaunch@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has quit [] 17:52 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95329BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:53 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95329BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 18:00 -!- heath [~nobody@adsl-63-196-194-88.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:01 < heath> hey 18:02 < courtc> hello! 18:03 < fre_ber> hello 18:03 < BleuLlama> hi there. 18:04 < fre_ber> I am wondering how far I should take this GUI stuff for podzilla... 18:04 < courtc> what'r you up to? 18:05 < fre_ber> Well, I wanted to make a few simple sliders or integer widgets for my morse settings and started on a GUI concept.. ;) 18:06 < bubba_> are you writing a morse code app? 18:06 < fre_ber> Where have yopu been? I thought I was behind.. ;) 18:06 < bubba_> :) 18:06 < courtc> we already have a slider... sounds good though, just do it right ;) 18:07 < fre_ber> I know, I didn't think of the slider until I had already started. 18:08 < fre_ber> I was thinking about just showing the number and allowing the scroll wheel to change it. But a slider is better... 18:09 < fre_ber> So far I have just made a basic object hierarch consisting of three "classes", component, container and label. 18:09 < fre_ber> Bleu pointed me to some structures to base it on, but I'm stubborn.. ;) 18:10 -!- Sereroku [~Chris@Fcabb.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 18:10 < courtc> BleuLlama knows more about gui design than he lets on.. don't let him fool you 18:10 < Sereroku> what libs do i need to compile podzilla for the desktop? oO 18:10 < fre_ber> I am now thinking about adding some sort of layout manager so that I won't have to think about different screen sizes for different models. 18:10 < courtc> Sereroku- read the Makefile 18:10 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:11 * BleuLlama smirks 18:11 < fre_ber> :) 18:11 < Sereroku> Compiling scr_x11.c ... 18:11 < Sereroku> scr_x11.c:15:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory 18:11 < Sereroku> scr_x11.c:16:23: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory 18:11 < Sereroku> got this error 18:11 < fre_ber> I'm an amateur, but it is fun. :) 18:11 < BleuLlama> nah. i've only been doing gui design and coding since '92. hehe 18:11 < fre_ber> :) 18:11 < Sereroku> and much more oO 18:11 < BleuLlama> sere: rtfw 18:11 < BleuLlama> sorry. hit return early... 18:11 < BleuLlama> sere: rtfw and stop wasting our time 18:12 < BleuLlama> aah. much better 18:12 < courtc> this project has some of the best documentation I've ever seen for an open source project.. wth is going on? 18:12 < Sereroku> i am reading ;) 18:12 < fre_ber> lmao 18:13 < BleuLlama> courtc: agreed. 18:13 < BleuLlama> the only thing that could make it more documented (not necessarily better documented) was if it was coded with one of the Literate programming styles. (my favorite is 'noweb/notangle') 18:13 -!- kuniform [kuniform@kundevanny.plus.com] has joined #ipodlinux 18:14 < fre_ber> I think that I agree too, but I haven't really participated on this level in many open source projects, so I can't really compare. 18:14 < BleuLlama> i've worked on projects .. .er working on projects at work that are 100% literate programming. it adds on about 75% extra time, since you're writing design docs and usage docs while writing the code, but the final product is amazingly easily maintainable. 18:14 < Sereroku> i didnt find anything in the makefile 18:16 < BleuLlama> i worked one project with a guy in the UK... before we used CVS.. he'd work on it during the day, zip it up, send it to me, i'd work on it, then zip it up and send it back. worked pretty well, btu that model breaks down with more than 2 people, and with overlapping work time blocks. hehe. 18:16 < BleuLlama> (that was "AGE" and then "Turaco"; tools to edit graphics in arcade roms) 18:17 < BleuLlama> fun project. ;D 18:17 < fre_ber> Sounds like fun, indeed. 18:17 -!- wembley [~eric@143.44.114.242] has joined #ipodlinux 18:17 < BleuLlama> t'was. :) 18:18 -!- MikesTooL [~Avalaunch@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:18 < wembley> anyone use the cygwin stuff at all? 18:18 < MikesTooL> nope 18:19 < fre_ber> I use cygwinb. 18:19 < fre_ber> -b 18:19 < wembley> can the cross compiler be used without cygwin? 18:19 < BleuLlama> what does the -b option do on cygwinb? 18:19 < fre_ber> Remove the last character of the command line. 18:19 < BleuLlama> wemb: if it does, it's completely unsupported. you're on your own 18:19 < MikesTooL> hey coob whats the name of that song playing in your ipodphoto video clips? 18:19 < BleuLlama> fre: i know. just being an ass. 18:20 < fre_ber> I know, me too. 18:20 < wembley> i want to work on some things with my laptop and i can't use linux when i'm on the road 18:20 < BleuLlama> alrighty then. 18:20 < wembley> my wireless card doesn't have linux drivers :( 18:20 < BleuLlama> glad we got that cleared up. 18:20 < fre_ber> :) 18:20 < BleuLlama> :) 18:20 < fre_ber> Oops.. Snooker is back on.. bbl 18:20 < BleuLlama> Snooker? 18:21 < BleuLlama> I hardly know 'er. 18:21 < fre_ber> The only sport worth watching on tv. 18:21 * BleuLlama hears a drum hit off in the distance. 18:21 < fre_ber> :) 18:21 < BleuLlama> i dunno... drifting and Skeleton are fun to watch 18:21 < kuniform> have you tried ndiswrapper ? 18:22 < wembley> kuniform, talking to me? 18:23 < kuniform> yeah 18:23 < wembley> i read a bunch of places that it still doesn't work 18:23 < kuniform> it's what I'm using atm 18:23 < wembley> linux hates braodcom 18:23 < wembley> broadcom* 18:23 < kuniform> ahh.. mine's a realtek 18:24 < wembley> i'd like to go buy a new laptop...but that isn't going to happen 18:24 < kuniform> or just a new wireless card ? :P 18:24 < wembley> nah 18:24 < wembley> i'm going to have 2 cards 18:25 < BleuLlama> that's too easy and cheap of a solution. 18:25 < wembley> i'm not* 18:25 < wembley> the card i have is built in 18:25 < wembley> and i don't know how to disable it in linux 18:25 < Ataraxis> mini-pc format? you can easily replace those 18:25 < wembley> it's always on 18:25 < kuniform> or just take them out 18:26 < wembley> take it out? 18:26 < wembley> it's on the motherboard 18:26 < wembley> same as just about everything else in a laptop 18:27 < kuniform> you'd be surprised at just how expandable they are... I was curious and opened mine up - knocked a transistor off the motherboard.. and it's fine.. albeit unable to slow down 18:27 < wembley> lol 18:27 < kuniform> *not that I'm saying you just knock your wireless card off* 18:27 -!- hyarion [~hyarion@lgh012a.umehus7.ac.se] has joined #ipodlinux 18:27 < wembley> i don't think i want to open mine up 18:27 < wembley> i can't afford to break it 18:28 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-5f5b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:28 < hyarion> ipodlinux channel + open mine up... that sound good :D 18:29 < kuniform> i know the feeling.. my laptop also decided to go through a phase of randomly rebooting for no apparent reason - I later traced it to when the memory expansion panel on the bottom of the laptop is actually attached. Now I've discovered it's one buggy ram chip - I still run it without the panel just in case 18:29 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-5f5b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #iPodLinux 18:29 < kuniform> was very tempted to spend next student loan cheque on a laptop.. bought an ipod photo instead - so I have enough left over for rent! 18:29 < wembley> i just send in mine when hardware doesn't work 18:30 < wembley> my hd died a few weeks ago and i wasn't going to spend $150 on a new one when i can get it for free :) 18:30 < courtc> hotplugging is fun! 18:30 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 18:30 < courtc> (especially on a system that doesn't support it) 18:31 < kuniform> the joys of a laptop being in warrranty.. for some reason mine lasted all 2 years of warranty... and then the screen started falling off after that 18:32 < wembley> blargy, i can't find any good info about crosscompiling in windows with cygwin :( 18:33 < wembley> i'm determined to get it working in vc++6 ide or devc++ or something 18:33 < courtc> wembley- thats because all the sane people use another os for crosscompiling.. 18:33 < wembley> just out of spite! 18:33 < BleuLlama> have fun wasting effort on that. 18:33 < wembley> lol 18:33 < courtc> wembley- thats reterded.. although supposedly devc++ can be configured to use gcc as a backend :/ 18:34 < kuniform> wonder if i could somehow piggyback VB.Net on the back of that 18:34 < wembley> msvc++6 can use many different compilers 18:34 < wembley> i've seen people compile vc++.net stuff in vc++6's ide 18:34 < wembley> i like the ide a lot 18:34 < Sereroku> oh my god i cant get x11r6 installed =( 18:34 < BleuLlama> it can use many different compilers, as long as they're all MS. 18:35 < BleuLlama> [==========| ] meter level rising. 18:36 < courtc> BleuLlama- idiocy meter? 18:36 < BleuLlama> yep 18:36 < BleuLlama> although i was thinking of calling it stupidometer 18:37 < wembley> oh well 18:37 < wembley> i shall stick with linux then 18:37 < wembley> unless of the unlikely event that apple releases an sdk :( 18:38 < BleuLlama> then you're *still* not going to do anything in VC6 18:38 < wembley> correct 18:38 < wembley> but an sdk is more valuable to me 18:40 -!- hyarion [~hyarion@lgh012a.umehus7.ac.se] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 18:40 -!- CIA-11 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 18:40 < wembley> (i just really like making games/apps...and if i could do it for the apple fw, then all the better) 18:40 -!- hyarion [~hyarion@lgh012a.umehus7.ac.se] has joined #ipodlinux 18:40 -!- CIA-11 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #ipodlinux 18:40 * wembley hides 18:41 < wembley> i write so many games/apps just for the sake of writing them 18:41 < BleuLlama> well, i've been waiting for that for 4 years. it's not going to happen, so i put my effort into iPL instead of waiting for apple to provide something that they're not going to provide 18:41 -!- bubba_ [~rawles@kohala.cs.bris.ac.uk] has quit ["-"] 18:41 < wembley> i'm not waiting either 18:41 < BleuLlama> just write them for ipl, then port them if apple ever releases the sdk. 18:41 < wembley> but it's still something i'd like 18:42 -!- CIA-11 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:42 < BleuLlama> i'd like a better administration in my country, but it's not. going. to. happen. 18:42 < wembley> lol 18:42 -!- CIA-11 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #ipodlinux 18:42 < wembley> what country? 18:43 < BleuLlama> Burundi 18:43 * wembley never heard of it 18:43 < BleuLlama> in africa, next to rwanda 18:43 * MikesTooL me too 18:44 < MikesTooL> i have heard of africa 18:44 < wembley> lol 18:44 < wembley> rwanda isn't a fun place 18:46 < wembley> er, what is that huge lake by rwanda? 18:46 -!- Bi-noix [~Bi-noix@82.230.252.4] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 18:46 -!- Synapse- [~pnats@c211-30-74-249.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 18:48 -!- Synapse- [~pnats@c211-30-74-249.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 18:48 -!- Bi-noix [~Bi-noix@82.230.252.4] has joined #ipodlinux 18:49 -!- Sereroku [~Chris@Fcabb.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:49 -!- smacmac [~smacmac@109.80-202-79.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux 18:49 -!- Sereroku [~Chris@Fcabb.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 18:50 < wembley> brb 18:52 -!- Bi-noix [~Bi-noix@82.230.252.4] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 18:52 -!- Synapse- [~pnats@c211-30-74-249.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 18:54 < BleuLlama> Lac Kivu, or Lake Tanganyika? 18:54 -!- Bi-noix [~Bi-noix@82.230.252.4] has joined #ipodlinux 18:54 -!- Synapse- [~pnats@c211-30-74-249.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 18:59 -!- lgates_ [~lgates@cpe-24-160-207-245.ma.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 18:59 -!- lgates_ [~lgates@cpe-24-160-207-245.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:59 -!- lgates_ [~lgates@cpe-24-160-207-245.ma.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:00 -!- lgates_ [~lgates@cpe-24-160-207-245.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:02 -!- wembley [~eric@143.44.114.242] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:02 -!- smacmac [~smacmac@109.80-202-79.nextgentel.com] has quit ["Computer goes to sleep!"] 19:02 -!- wemblers [~eric@143.44.114.242] has joined #ipodlinux 19:02 < wemblers> courtc, you here? 19:05 -!- MikesTooL [~Avalaunch@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has quit [] 19:12 -!- Sereroku [~Chris@Fcabb.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 19:17 -!- joecool|mobile [~joecool@joecool.no-sources] has joined #ipodlinux 19:20 -!- joecool|mobile [~joecool@joecool.no-sources] has quit ["later"] 19:20 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:22 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-103.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:40 -!- OLwork [~OLwork@193.11.14.68] has left #ipodlinux [] 19:46 -!- JMunakra [~JMunakra@dsl-084-059-195-003.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:49 < courtc> wemblers- am now.. 19:50 < wemblers> ok 19:50 < wemblers> is it hard to compile standalone apps? 19:51 < hyarion> no 19:51 < courtc> not at all.. 19:51 < wemblers> i can make a simple terminal helloworld, but i don't know if it is hard to get it working in microwindows 19:51 < BleuLlama> nope. pretty simple. 19:51 < wemblers> or if microwindows is even the way i should go 19:51 < BleuLlama> you probably will want to start with podzilla though; it offers a really extensible menu system. 19:51 < BleuLlama> well, perhaps not "really extensible"... more like "very useful" 19:52 < BleuLlama> ;) 19:52 < wemblers> yeah, but courtc said podzilla won't be as monolithic sometime down the road 19:52 < BleuLlama> well, just use the framework as a starting point 19:52 < BleuLlama> that's all i meant 19:52 < wemblers> ok 19:53 < wemblers> is it just in the pz/menu c files? 19:53 < BleuLlama> i dunno. i 19:53 < BleuLlama> i've never tried to extract it out. 19:53 < BleuLlama> if you don't want ot use it, find that libsdl port someone had done, and use that instead 19:53 < wemblers> ? 19:54 < BleuLlama> instead of microwindows. 19:54 < wemblers> ok 19:54 < wemblers> is it better than microwindows? 19:54 < BleuLlama> better? 19:54 < BleuLlama> it's different 19:54 < courtc> all the menu code is in mlist.[ch], a demo on how to use it is in menu.c, and it pretty much requires the podzilla event handler to be effective.. 19:55 < BleuLlama> you lose graphics protos, and just have a basic framebuffer, basically. 19:55 < BleuLlama> more or less 19:55 < BleuLlama> but i don't think anyone other than him has ever tried it. 19:55 < BleuLlama> http://www.libsdl.org for info 19:55 < wemblers> ok 19:55 < BleuLlama> or you can use microwindows, which is known to work, works pretty damn fast, and has lots of people supporting it here. 19:56 < BleuLlama> (perhaps you can see my bias. heh) 19:56 < BleuLlama> or, you could go a different route... 19:56 < courtc> wemblers- if you choose to use microwindows I suggest reading: http://so2.sys-techs.com/mwin/microwin/install/index.html 19:56 < wemblers> i'll prolly use microwindows 19:56 < BleuLlama> look at fb.c in the nanox/microwindows code, and write your own graphics library... this will probably be the most time consuming, and difficult to debug route to go though. 19:57 < wemblers> is it easy to use for standalone apps to use mw? 19:57 < courtc> wemblers- yea, just read that link 19:57 < BleuLlama> depending on your level of experience, yes 19:57 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/mwin/microwin/install/inst_hello.html#AEN150 19:57 -!- heath [~nobody@adsl-63-196-194-88.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:57 < wemblers> i'm looking for the 'easiest' solution and the most practical for when podzilla isn't so monolithic 19:58 < BleuLlama> who knows. 19:58 < BleuLlama> that will depend on how podzilla/apps are broken up... 19:58 < BleuLlama> i don't think anyone really can answer that right now 19:58 < wemblers> good call :-\ 19:59 < BleuLlama> imo, your best bet would be to write your stuff as podzilla apps/games/extensions, that way you have a framework that you know works... you won't have to write a framework for your app that might have to get thrown out later anyway (wasted effort) 19:59 < BleuLlama> imo 20:00 < courtc> It'l be a long time before we start splitting up podzilla officially though.. nothig to worry about atm... 20:01 < wemblers> okidokie 20:01 < wemblers> lol, it takes like 15 seconds to link all the objects on my laptop :D 20:02 < BleuLlama> courtc: was it you that posted that new bug entry about a restructure of the browser/launcher code? 20:02 < courtc> yup 20:02 < BleuLlama> i have an idea on that. 20:02 < courtc> ok, shoot 20:02 < BleuLlama> can you throw the link to me so i can comment on it there? 20:03 < BleuLlama> (sorry about asking for links) 20:03 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/requests/index.php?do=details&id=60 20:03 < BleuLlama> ty 20:12 < BleuLlama> ugh. that got totally unformatted. 20:13 < BleuLlama> do a 'view source' on the comment... ugh.. it converted all of my _ to 20:13 < courtc> yup.. its got some weird formatting 20:13 < wemblers> er... 20:13 < BleuLlama> well, i can rewrite it elsewhere if that gets too annoying... 20:13 < wemblers> how does pz.h include "nano-X.h" when it isn't in the folder? 20:13 -!- Jet2k5 [~zero@fl-71-3-148-23.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:13 < Jet2k5> hehe shit 20:13 < Jet2k5> there is actually a channel 20:13 < Jet2k5> nice 20:14 < BleuLlama> wemblers: look at the -I option on the compiler 20:14 < Jet2k5> is this a channel for the people who install Linux on their ipods or just for people using ipod with Linux? 20:14 < wemblers> lol, the includes args 20:14 < BleuLlama> okay. brain empty. i can work on other things now 20:14 < BleuLlama> linux on ipod 20:14 < Jet2k5> :9 20:14 < Jet2k5> have a friend to did that 20:14 < Jet2k5> is the mini's supported yet? 20:14 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 20:17 < courtc> there.. clean up a little 20:17 < courtc> *cleaned 20:17 -!- Jet2k5 [~zero@fl-71-3-148-23.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 20:18 < BleuLlama> i didn't know i could re-edit the code. i'm sorry, i would have done that myself 20:18 < BleuLlama> -code +entry 20:18 < courtc> I dunno if you can.. but I can ;) 20:18 < BleuLlama> lol. ok 20:19 < BleuLlama> i don't see an "edit this" button or anything. guess i can't. heh 20:19 < courtc> yea, I've got a big "edit" button on every post.. 20:19 < BleuLlama> anyway... did that make sense? am i overthinking the problem? am i on crack? where are my glasses? 20:19 < BleuLlama> where did i park my car? 20:21 < courtc> the problem I see with something like that is: say for example you have a script and you want to open it in in a textviewer or execute it (whatever isn't default).. 20:22 < BleuLlama> hmmm 20:22 < BleuLlama> yeah, or what if you wanted to open an mp3 in a hex viewer. 20:22 < BleuLlama> understood 20:23 < BleuLlama> okay. ummm 20:23 < BleuLlama> how about two sets of functions. first is a "can you handle this type of file", second is "do something with this file" 20:23 < BleuLlama> the browser, when the action button is held, checks all of the readers to see who can handle it, creating a menu from the responses 20:23 < BleuLlama> then the appropriate one gets called, based on the user's selection? 20:24 < courtc> easy to say.. :/ do you just pass around mimetypes? 20:25 < BleuLlama> pass around a structure that has: file path, file extension, mime type(if available), "file" output for the file (if available)... basically everything that we know, which can be used to identify the file and its kind 20:26 < BleuLlama> perhaps even the output from fstat, to know what size the file is, and permissions 20:26 < BleuLlama> (just brainstorming here) 20:27 < wemblers> undefined reference to `GrOpen' 20:27 < wemblers> ...anyone know what's going on when compiling a microwindows program? 20:27 < BleuLlama> make sure you include the mwin library, and such 20:28 < courtc> look hard at the podzilla Makefile 20:29 < wemblers> got it, thanks 20:29 < BleuLlama> instead of "hardly look at..." ;) 20:29 < wemblers> i was looking at it 20:29 < courtc> heh 20:29 < wemblers> but only in the "make for the ipod part" 20:29 < wemblers> i didn't think it would continue on later 20:32 < courtc> ok, how about typelaunchers with a char **? with a list of mime-types.. 20:33 < courtc> then seperate would be things like a hex editor (which can open anything) 20:33 < BleuLlama> i'd do mime types, as well as file extensions... just incase there's no mime type for the file. (we still have to determine mime types somehow, btw) 20:33 < BleuLlama> that could work though. 20:35 < courtc> I can try and figure out how to parse 'magic' (the file) 20:36 < BleuLlama> is that the file that comes with apache? 20:37 < courtc> dunno.. there are like 20 of them ;) 20:37 < BleuLlama> heh 20:39 -!- Vanquisher [~Van@vanquisher.user] has joined #ipodlinux 20:40 < courtc> I've got one owed by a shared-mime-info (?) package 20:41 < BleuLlama> cool. 20:41 < courtc> I guess.. :/ 20:43 < BleuLlama> i dunno 20:44 < BleuLlama> just key off of extension for now. ;) 20:44 < courtc> heh :) 20:47 -!- JonasNZ [~jbergler@219-88-55-160.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 20:48 < wemblers> yay 20:48 < wemblers> i got a standalone program to run 20:48 < wemblers> with microwindows 20:51 < zsk009> hey, i got a question, how would i have to compile viPodzilla to have it work with 4gs? 20:52 < wemblers> it should work the same as normal podzilla, should it not? 20:52 < zsk009> thats what i thought, but someone aimed me that it dont work 20:52 < courtc> unless you don't have a standard microwindows build 20:53 < courtc> read: CVS 20:53 < zsk009> ok 20:53 -!- budgie [~undef@budgie.user] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:54 < wemblers> can someone answer a gpl question for me? 20:55 -!- kuniform [kuniform@kundevanny.plus.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:56 -!- Daishi [~daishi@pool-162-83-221-70.ny5030.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:05 < BleuLlama> ianal, but i can try 21:06 -!- JonasNZ [~jbergler@jonasnz.user] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:12 < fre_ber> I'm off. 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Just saw that one ... 23:39 < littlenicky> I sometimes wonder what could be going through someone's head at a time like that to make them think they have the right to demand in the way they do ... 23:39 * BleuLlama heads home. 23:39 < preglow> some people are just plain stupid... 23:39 < littlenicky> This is true. 23:40 < preglow> some people also grossly underestimate how much effort programming can be 23:41 < littlenicky> Well, it's so easy for most of them. They just go out and pay some bucks, and they have it. 23:41 < littlenicky> But when it comes to something they have to wait for ... yeah. 23:42 -!- lgates [~lgates@cpe-24-160-207-245.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:43 -!- death_star [death_star@64.141.54.123] has joined #ipodlinux 23:43 < death_star> i know ill get flamed but how do i change contrast on 4g :-\ 23:43 * littlenicky chuckles. 23:43 < littlenicky> It's under settings. 23:43 < death_star> :D 23:43 < littlenicky> Can you see the menu or is it too dark? 23:44 < death_star> its too low thats the problem, black screen, i followed the faq but just get the resetting/unmounting whatever text 23:44 < littlenicky> Ah ... is clicking on? 23:44 < death_star> nope, should i turn it on? never thought of that :D 23:45 < littlenicky> In Linux, I mean. 23:45 < death_star> oh 23:45 < death_star> i dont hear anything 23:45 < littlenicky> K, this could be a little hard. Do you have the latest podzilla? 23:46 < death_star> I got the april 17th build 23:46 < death_star> nightly 23:46 < littlenicky> Have you used podzilla before, and the contrast was alright? 23:47 < littlenicky> A different one, that is. 23:47 < death_star> nope 23:47 < death_star> i should try an older one? 23:47 * littlenicky thinks ... 23:47 < courtc> . 23:48 < littlenicky> Well, without clicking I'm not sure how you can navigate blind. If you could wait ten minutes or so I could send you my podzilla.conf file. That could possibly work if no one else has any suggestions. 23:48 < death_star> i cant wait forever 23:48 < death_star> if it'll help, thanks so much 23:48 -!- heath [~nobody@adsl-63-196-194-88.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:48 < courtc> the clicker should be on by default 23:49 < death_star> maybe i corruppted something or have mix-matched files? 23:49 < death_star> ive tried reinstalling 23:49 < littlenicky> courtc: I thought the same. 23:50 < littlenicky> I'm just booting linux on my other machine, shouldn't be long. 23:50 < death_star> ohh maybe i shoulda mentioned i used the windows installer too 23:51 < death_star> if it makes a difference 23:51 -!- Grunt [~grunt@S0106000c413a1c49.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:52 < heath> anyone done any serial stuff via the dock connector? 23:54 < littlenicky> death_star: K, got it ... one minute. 23:55 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 23:55 < courtc> death_star- you can also try tilting the screen to the side, see if you can navigate that way.. 23:57 < death_star> tried that for about 25 minutes 23:58 < littlenicky> hehe --- Log closed Tue Apr 19 00:00:00 2005