--- Log opened Sun Apr 17 00:00:02 2005 00:00 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:03 -!- zsk001 is now known as zsk009 00:04 < littlenicky> Why is it that I only notice JonasNZ quitting and not joining? It's freaking me out ... 00:06 < EvilDude> littlenicky: hey sorry was busy for a sec ;) 00:07 * littlenicky pats EvilDude on the shoulder. 00:14 < EvilDude> anyone tried KeyMan? 00:14 < courtc> yea.. 00:14 < courtc> cleaned it up a bit.. decided that it needed to be its own executable... 00:16 < EvilDude> hmm why? 00:16 < EvilDude> it's all self contained in one file though isn't it ? 00:16 -!- zer0python [~zer0pytho@zer0python.user] has quit ["bye"] 00:16 < courtc> no 00:16 < EvilDude> or is it because of the data stuff? 00:16 < EvilDude> oh 00:16 < EvilDude> ok 00:16 < BleuLlama> it's all self contained ... one directory 00:17 < BleuLlama> where "one" means "more than one" 00:17 < EvilDude> well is the archive fooling me 00:17 < EvilDude> coz my archive only shows one .c file =\ 00:17 < courtc> you 'd need to add KMdata to the ipod 00:18 < EvilDude> hmm that is annoying but then again can't it be changed to work like TuxChess does, load from it's own directory 00:20 < littlenicky> I'm off, all ... got to get ready for rehearsals 00:20 * littlenicky waves. 00:20 -!- littlenicky [~nik[spamb@210-86-102-24.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["The hills are a live, with the sound of moooosiiiiic ..."] 00:21 -!- zsk001 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 00:23 -!- zsk007 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 00:23 < courtc> zsk00?- I think that might be enough 00:24 < BleuLlama> pretty soon. we'll have the whole set 00:24 < BleuLlama> , 00:24 < zsk007> haha, srry, computer probs 00:27 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:27 -!- zsk007 is now known as zsk009 00:28 < zsk009> ok, zsk009 is back 00:30 -!- Zyrill [~zyrill@dsl-084-058-017-154.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:41 -!- zsk001 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:42 -!- Zyrill [~zyrill@dsl-084-058-017-154.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 01:15 -!- wembley [~eric@143.44.123.227] has joined #ipodlinux 01:21 < BleuLlama> BCD binary clock done. 01:21 < BleuLlama> as well as all of the back-end engine to draw lights for other binary clocks too. whee! 01:24 < wembley> bcd? 01:24 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has joined #ipodlinux 01:26 < BleuLlama> http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/lights/59e0/ 01:26 < BleuLlama> like that 01:26 < BleuLlama> about to put in a pure binary one (like my watch) next. http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/6a17/ 01:33 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:34 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-33-162-17.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:35 < wembley> can bit-wise checking be used on integers? 01:35 < wembley> er, nevermind 01:36 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-33-162-17.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:38 < BleuLlama> I guess the foot's on the other hand now... 01:38 < courtc> hm.. whoops.. ctrl-alt-bksp doesn't work over synergy 02:05 -!- Poseiden [~mickey@rrcs-24-172-63-98.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 02:11 < wembley> w00t 02:11 < wembley> sokoban is almost working 02:11 < Poseiden> Is there such a thing as a 5020 emulator? Any way to futz with 4G development off of the iPod? 02:12 < wembley> Poseiden, check out building podzilla for te desktop 02:12 < Poseiden> wembley: I noticed that... but that's just podzilla, no? Not the kernel? 02:12 < wembley> you don't need anything else for the desktop 02:12 -!- Grunt is now known as GruntWillBBL 02:13 < EvilDude> Poseiden: what do you want to test? kernel -> test on iPod only really 02:14 < Poseiden> EvilDude: Yeah, that's about what I figured. I have this pressing desire to figure out how to get performance out of the 4G.... but I suppose I'll have to throw what's in CVS onto it. 02:25 < wembley> evildude 02:25 < wembley> do you know why the loader frequently boots to the wrong os? 02:29 < BleuLlama> spite 02:29 < wembley> :( 02:29 < wembley> sokoban is almost done 02:29 < wembley> it just needs level support 02:31 < wembley> and for me to make the levels 02:31 < wembley> rawr 02:31 < wembley> i'm bored 02:32 -!- GruntWillBBL is now known as Grunt 02:42 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:44 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit ["Gluon IRC, C# is cool, use it !"] 03:01 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-103.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["OMFG n00bs I'm out"] 03:04 -!- MikesTooLz [~knoppix@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:04 < MikesTooLz> anyone here? 03:06 < courtc> . 03:06 < MikesTooLz> guess not 03:06 < BleuLlama> .oOo. 03:07 < MikesTooLz> im running knoppix right now and i cant it to detect my ipod 03:07 < courtc> Oo.oO 03:07 < BleuLlama> friend just brought over the PSP he bought for his company. heh. 03:07 < BleuLlama> played some of that Lumines game. 03:07 < BleuLlama> nice game machine 03:07 < courtc> heh bought a psp for his company? 03:08 < BleuLlama> yeah. 03:08 < BleuLlama> company credit card. Buy us one of these. 03:08 < BleuLlama> see what we can make for it. etc. 03:08 < BleuLlama> (Belkin friend) 03:08 < courtc> oh 03:09 -!- Flik [~flik@d64-180-8-241.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:10 < courtc> MikesTooLz- : modprobe sd-mod usb-storage; fdisk /dev/sda 03:10 < MikesTooLz> anyone know what i should try? 03:10 < wembley> courtc, he's using firewire 03:10 * courtc need more hard drive space... 03:11 < MikesTooLz> wembley i got it on usb now 03:11 < wembley> oh 03:11 < wembley> well then he's using usb now 03:11 < MikesTooLz> i type that in terminal? 03:11 < wembley> blarg, i need to write a level converter :( 03:12 < courtc> heh.. I'm a pseudo-psychic 03:12 < courtc> MikesTooLz- nah, jsut type it here.. that'll work 03:13 < MikesTooLz> FATAL: Module sd_mod not found. 03:13 < courtc> yup.. thats fine 03:14 < MikesTooLz> i guess ill just wait for when its finished and there is a windows installer 03:14 < wembley> bbl, time to use c# for some level conversion... :D 03:14 -!- wembley is now known as wembley|c 03:14 -!- wembley|c is now known as wembley|c-sharpi 03:14 < courtc> *sigh* perl would be easier.. 03:14 < wembley|c-sharpi> grah 03:15 < wembley|c-sharpi> nah 03:15 < wembley|c-sharpi> i found the levels in txt format 03:15 -!- wembley|c-sharpi is now known as wembley|bbl 03:15 < wembley|bbl> all i have to do is take the txt level and turn it in to an array of ints 03:16 < courtc> whatever MikesTooLz ... I was actually gonna help you.. :/ 03:16 < courtc> (thats pretty rare) 03:17 < BleuLlama> whoa 03:17 < BleuLlama> i think that's one of the signs of the apocalypse 03:17 < BleuLlama> ;p 03:17 * courtc kicks davidc__ (whats the status on COP crap?) 03:17 < courtc> BleuLlama- heh.. 03:18 < BleuLlama> just like me finishing Vortex 03:18 < BleuLlama> ;) 03:18 < BleuLlama> s/vortex/any project/g 03:19 < courtc> heh... I actually have a pretty serious problem completing things... probably something left over from my childhood.. 03:19 < BleuLlama> okay. enough slacking. time to code the other binary clock 03:19 < BleuLlama> yeah. i have a problem with closure. 03:19 * BleuLlama shrugs 03:19 < courtc> the watch one is the coolest.. 03:20 < BleuLlama> the traditional one? 03:20 < BleuLlama> wha? 03:20 < BleuLlama> oh. the watch binary clock? 03:20 < courtc> yea 03:20 < BleuLlama> my wife bought me one of those for my birthday. 03:20 < BleuLlama> (blue leds.) 03:20 < BleuLlama> the thing is f'ing thick. like almost 1/2" thick 03:20 < courtc> heh.. cool wife ;) 03:20 < courtc> whoa 03:21 -!- julz [~chatzilla@dsl-220-235-96-72.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 03:21 < BleuLlama> and it's bright enough (at certain times of day) to act like a flashlight. hehehe 03:21 < BleuLlama> yeah. i like her. ;) 03:21 < courtc> :) 03:21 < BleuLlama> bought her an ipod mini for her birthday last month. :D 03:22 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@194.165.182.43] has joined #ipodlinux 03:22 < julz> hey all. what is a good C compiler for windows, that will work with atuff for an ipod? 03:23 < BleuLlama> julz: four. 03:23 < courtc> gcc + cygwin (bleh) (or what bl said) 03:24 < courtc> julz- http://booc.coob.org/ipl/ 03:25 < courtc> backlight toggle is in cvs.. don't be attributing credit where is not due ;) 03:25 < BleuLlama> ? 03:25 < courtc> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11558#11558 03:25 < julz> well i tried cygwin with this site---> http://www.physics.drexel.edu/courses/Comp_Phys/General/C_basics/c_tutorial.html <--- and all i got were errord, when i tried with the stuff off the wiki if worked fine. why so? 03:26 < julz> courtc- oh sorry, didn't see that. i have an old ViPodzilla, 03:26 < julz> good work 03:27 < courtc> wasn't really me either ;) Nik Rolls sent in the original patch 03:27 < courtc> julz- what doen't work? 03:28 < julz> well, since i'm a noob i tried "helloworld" and it says, hangon, illy try now 03:29 < BleuLlama> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11560#11560 03:29 < BleuLlama> am i being too trendy having an 'ipod' icon for my "avatar"? 03:30 < BleuLlama> (rather than my regular icon http://patsy.cis.rit.edu/j.jpg ) 03:31 < courtc> I dunno, I like the regular better... 03:31 < julz> Julian@Stirling ~/mystuff/Hello_World 03:31 < julz> $ gcc try.c 03:31 < julz> try.c:1:20: stdio.h: No such file or directory 03:31 < julz> try.c: In function `main': 03:31 < julz> try.c:4: warning: return type of `main' is not `int' 03:31 < julz> try.c:6:2: warning: no newline at end of file 03:31 < julz> that is the error i get with the stuff from the above site 03:31 < courtc> MikesTooLz- what probelms are you having? 03:32 < MikesTooLz> its not detecting the ipod 03:33 < courtc> julz- use this instead: 03:33 < courtc> #include 03:33 < courtc> int main() 03:33 < courtc> { 03:33 < courtc> printf("\nHey there planet\n"); 03:33 < courtc> } 03:33 < courtc> whoops.. 03:33 < courtc> return 0; 03:33 < courtc> after the printf 03:33 < julz> ill try now 03:34 < courtc> MikesTooLz- you loaded usb-storage? 03:34 < MikesTooLz> how do i do that? 03:35 < courtc> modprobe usb-storage 03:36 -!- Grunt [~grunt@grunt.wikipedia] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:36 < MikesTooLz> ok 03:37 < julz> My God it worked. thankyou Courtc 03:37 < courtc> MikesTooLz- do you know how to use fdisk? 03:37 < MikesTooLz> no 03:37 < courtc> julz- yup.. np.. seems cygwin's gcc is a little picky.. 03:38 < julz> so would "four", what BL said be better? 03:39 < BleuLlama> Tuesday. 03:39 < courtc> MikesTooLz- ok, join #ipodlinux.flood and flood the output of fdisk -l /dev/sda 03:39 < courtc> no no, hamburgers 03:39 < BleuLlama> Mauve. 03:40 < courtc> I guess maybe even Table manners 03:40 < BleuLlama> Montana. 03:40 < courtc> is larger than an Alligator 03:41 < BleuLlama> but not as big as Sol. 03:41 < courtc> usually Left 03:41 * BleuLlama turns into a katamari and rolls around the channel, accumulating crap. 03:42 < courtc> katamari ka? 03:45 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@194.165.182.43] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:46 < Poseiden> What a pain. Just tried to cross-compile podzilla to mingw32 on a linux box. I could probably make it happen, but not tonight. I'll just build an X version. 03:48 -!- MikesTooLz [~knoppix@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:49 < BleuLlama> time for me to duck out for the evening. laters all 03:49 < courtc> haha.. what a useless endeavor... 03:49 < courtc> later BleuLlama 03:49 -!- joecool|away is now known as joecool 03:50 < Poseiden> courtc: indeed. 03:50 < Poseiden> Now I have to get X running on a linux box. Ho hum. 03:51 -!- Hostile [lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-103.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:52 < courtc> not like its rocket science 03:57 < courtc> ugh.. that was bad of me.. 03:57 * courtc sits in the corner for 30 min 04:10 -!- JonasNZ_ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has joined #ipodlinux 04:11 -!- Vanquisher [~Van@vanquisher.user] has joined #ipodlinux 04:17 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:24 -!- Hostile [lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-103.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["<+phlange> i said 'dhcp' and the tech support guy started to cry and go 'i hate my job i hate my job i hate my job'"] 04:27 -!- heath [~nobody@adsl-63-196-194-88.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:29 < Poseiden> Nope, not rocket science. A bit time consuming. 04:30 < Poseiden> Now what are the flipping keys for this thing? Podzilla on the desktop, that is. I've found 'h' and enter. 04:31 < courtc> r l f w m h d 04:31 < Poseiden> Thanks. 04:41 -!- Flik [~flik@d64-180-8-241.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 04:45 < Poseiden> Hrm. After playing a game that flashes up a dialog and then returning to the menu, the dialog stays on top. 04:47 -!- F-F_^hmf^ [FF_hmf@ipv6.have-more-fun.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:55 < EvilDude> thats the message window bug that occurs on desktop i think 04:56 < courtc> quit moving the mouse.. 05:03 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 05:28 -!- JonasNZ_ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:28 < EvilDude> it happens even if you dont move the mouse! 05:29 < Sayle> unplug the mouse? 05:30 -!- julz [~chatzilla@dsl-220-235-96-72.nsw.westnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]"] 05:30 < courtc> EvilDude- I don't believe you 05:33 < EvilDude> vmware probably moves it by itself for all i know but i dont move it! 05:37 -!- heath [~nobody@adsl-63-196-194-88.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 05:44 < courtc> if the mouse pointer is in the middle of the microwindows window, then there should be problems.. 05:50 < courtc> *shouldn't 05:53 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has joined #ipodlinux 05:57 < EvilDude> god damn do you always have to be right =\ 05:58 < EvilDude> the mouse cursor has to be on top of where the new dialog window would be and it works =\ 05:58 -!- wembley|bbl [~eric@143.44.123.227] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:59 < courtc> heh... 06:00 < EvilDude> hmm iDopeWars didnt get into cvs? 06:00 < courtc> nope.. I'm coded out atm.. 06:00 < EvilDude> haha you coded out is that possible! 06:01 < EvilDude> btw did you guys want anything added to playlist.c? 06:04 -!- JonasNZ_ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has joined #ipodlinux 06:04 < courtc> nah, I think the plan is to pretty much redo how audio is handled... what I wrote was something different to what you have.. 06:04 -!- JonasNZ_ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has quit [Client Quit] 06:04 < EvilDude> hmm ok 06:04 < courtc> well, similar but with a different objective.. 06:04 < EvilDude> how so? 06:05 < EvilDude> like what is the new "way" of handling audio stuff 06:07 < courtc> well.. using a seperate thread to poll for anything in the playlist, and if there is play it... A new generic player gui is in order also.. 06:07 < EvilDude> oh ok 06:07 < EvilDude> and yeah generic player gui would be nice 06:08 < EvilDude> has davidc__ been able to do much more on aac since whenever he thought he got it to decode but no audio 06:08 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:08 < courtc> I'd like to strip the databasing stuff out of itunes_db.c and make a genaric database, so that we can deal with music unsupported by the apple fw 06:08 < courtc> dunno 06:09 < EvilDude> I like the stripping out databasing stuff out of itunes_db.c would make a LOT neater code in general coz the way it's dealt with seems so dirty 06:09 < EvilDude> Looking at it now actually, I was thinking how I could try to make it neater but it's just not designed to be used this way 06:10 < courtc> itunesmenu.c would become a generic audio menu that referenced against the database 06:10 < EvilDude> yep 06:11 < courtc> the database would be populated on podzilla startup... 06:11 < EvilDude> you should make itunes_db.c have functions that allow songs to be added in general too 06:11 < courtc> hmm? 06:12 < EvilDude> like when i tried to make itunes parser (And gave up because of ipod problems :P) what I did was put general it_add_track and it_add_playlist 06:12 < EvilDude> and that way another library parser can just call those functions to add to the same database 06:13 < EvilDude> do you get me? 06:13 < courtc> oh, yea.. that'll be how it works.. 06:13 < EvilDude> but first to do anything i think you'd need to learn how to use libitunesdb =\ 06:14 < courtc> haha yea.. 06:15 < courtc> itunes_db.c would actually use the generic database.. so it would call db_add_song or whatever... 06:15 < EvilDude> yeah exactly 06:15 < EvilDude> so all you need to do is basically make a generic database that supports the browse options and stuff :P 06:15 < EvilDude> and then make libitunesdb interface with that and also add support for m3u playlists or something 06:16 < EvilDude> what do non database players use for playlists? 06:16 < courtc> m3u's pls's 06:17 < EvilDude> yep thought so, and most people like m3u so those iTunes+m3u should take care of lots of people :) 06:18 < EvilDude> i might try to learn this damn libitunesdb 06:24 < zsk009> It would be awsome if a "launch as shell script" menu choice could be added to the browser sub-menu 06:25 < EvilDude> yes that would be awesome 06:25 < zsk009> haha, hint hint 06:26 < courtc> why? shell scripts get launched on 2 conditions 06:26 < EvilDude> hmm? 06:26 < zsk009> what r those conditions? i havnt gotten mine to launch yet 06:26 < EvilDude> chmod +x? 06:27 < zsk009> ok, thats one... whats the other 06:27 < courtc> if the file ends in .sh or if it ends in another extention and starts with #!/bin/sh 06:28 < EvilDude> oh :| 06:28 < EvilDude> cool 06:28 < EvilDude> we really need the wiki to have this information 06:28 < zsk009> i had a chmod +x file ending with sh and it didnt launch it, ill have to try again later then 06:28 < EvilDude> courtc: transfer everything you know to the wiki :P 06:29 < courtc> haha.. that would take a while... just hook up a couple wires and download.. 06:29 < EvilDude> if only :P 06:29 < zsk009> thanks for the info... good night 06:29 < EvilDude> um courtc can you make sense of this declaration : struct itdb_parsecont; 06:29 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit ["Gluon IRC, conductor of the masses !"] 06:30 < courtc> EvilDude- yea, it just declares a struct... 06:30 < EvilDude> but nothing in it? 06:30 < EvilDude> just truct itdb_parsecont 06:30 < courtc> heh.. yup.. is there a typedef below it? 06:30 -!- wembley [~eric@143.44.123.227] has joined #ipodlinux 06:31 < EvilDude> nope just used as struct itdb_parsecont well with * 06:31 < EvilDude> never used as a struct rather a pointer to the struct 06:32 < EvilDude> what's the point of having an empty struct? 06:32 < courtc> apparently its useful as a pointer.. I dunno.. 06:32 < EvilDude> this libitunesdb thing is gonna take a loong time to learn ;) 06:32 < courtc> EvilDude- you have any m4[ab]'s? 06:33 < EvilDude> yep 06:39 < courtc> hmm... actually only .sh files will work.. :/ 06:40 * courtc fixes 06:40 < courtc> bleh.. it can't really be fixed cleanly.. :/ 06:41 < EvilDude> I think the .sh is enough 06:41 < EvilDude> or just add a execute as shell script :D 06:41 < courtc> unless its not one.. that'd be fun, no? 06:41 < courtc> I'm going for dummy proof.. its hard 06:41 < EvilDude> hmm 06:42 < EvilDude> true 06:42 < courtc> I think a magic.[ch] is in order.. 06:43 < EvilDude> why dont we get libmagic? 06:43 < courtc> that seems a little overkill 06:44 < EvilDude> haha but you never know we might need it in future ;) 06:47 < courtc> I think i'll just make a int find_filetype(char *filename) and a bunch of defines e.g. #define FILETYPE_SCRIPT (random number) 06:47 < EvilDude> ah ok 06:48 < courtc> it'll prevent having to open the file multiple times to figure out what type it is.. 06:49 < courtc> (that happens currently) 06:49 < EvilDude> cool 06:51 < EvilDude> brb ttyl 06:55 -!- Flik [~flik@d64-180-8-241.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:31 -!- heath [~nobody@adsl-63-196-194-88.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:06 -!- heath [~nobody@adsl-63-196-194-88.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net] has quit [] 08:08 -!- wembley [~eric@143.44.123.227] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:17 -!- joecool is now known as joecool|et 08:17 -!- Vanquisher is now known as Vanquisher|Away 08:27 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has joined #ipodlinux 08:29 -!- CIA-11 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [] 08:33 -!- CIA-11 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #ipodlinux 08:39 -!- Flik [~flik@d64-180-8-241.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:52 -!- Synapse-_ [~pnats@c211-30-74-249.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 08:58 -!- hyarion [~hyarion@1-1-10-41a.um.um.bostream.se] has joined #ipodlinux 09:02 -!- intoxicat [~chatzilla@81-178-201-1.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ipodlinux 09:09 -!- Synapse- [~pnats@c211-30-74-249.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:13 -!- suzzi [~suzzi@c-24-22-107-55.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 09:13 < suzzi> hello all 09:14 -!- F-F_^hmf^ [FF_hmf@ipv6.have-more-fun.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:14 < suzzi> I've been playing around with everything and the only thing that I have yet to really find is a good text reader for books and such? 09:14 < suzzi> is there any thing out there? I would even be fine with something like less 09:26 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-5f5b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #iPodLinux 09:26 < fre_ber> ls 09:26 < fre_ber> oops... Good morning. 09:26 < suzzi> good morinig 09:27 < fre_ber> Anyone here who has been compiling podzilla for x11? 09:30 < fre_ber> No? Who is here then? :) 09:32 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:32 < hyarion> fre_ber I have 09:33 < suzzi> fre_ber: humm... I'm new so I would not know 09:33 < suzzi> hyarion: what are you using it for? 09:33 < fre_ber> suzzi, that's ok. 09:33 < suzzi> fre_ber: you could answer that too. what are you up to needing X? 09:33 < hyarion> suzzi, debugging 09:33 < fre_ber> hyarion: Great, have you done it after the new global gc stuff has been put in? 09:33 < suzzi> hyarion: ahh 09:34 < hyarion> free_ber- when did they do that? 09:34 < fre_ber> Because, I only get the windoe header and then a bunch of "Bad graphics context" from microwindows... 09:34 < suzzi> hyarion: I have yet to really dig in but how much flexablity does the kernel give you? I'm sure that theres not much that could be compiled in? is most of the delevopment for the new hardware and optimize? 09:34 < fre_ber> Don't remember some weeks ago perhaps? 09:35 < fre_ber> suzzi: I make nothing for the new hardware, since I have a 3g I am very happy with the current progress. 09:36 < fre_ber> Of course, mp3 playback still needs improvement, aac is great though. 09:36 -!- Sayle [~sayle@203-59-91-170.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:36 < suzzi> fre_ber: I'm in a simular boat, I have a 2G and theres some skipping every once in a while but thats about it. 09:36 -!- Sereroku [~Chris@Fd4f8.f.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ipodlinux 09:37 < fre_ber> I still can't use ipl to listen to my music since most of my collection is 192 kbps mp3, and it stutters awfully. 09:38 < suzzi> I really just want something to read books while I listen to tunes, but I dont think that the hardware on the 2G would ever support multithreading Oh well 09:38 < suzzi> well at least in this compasity 09:38 < suzzi> man I cant spell at all tonight 09:38 < hyarion> suzzi: about that text thingy, did you try to open it from the file browser? 09:38 < suzzi> =( 09:39 < suzzi> hyarion: ya I did, things just seem to stall, I dont have my text files chunked up at all, So I was looking for a pager that would do that for me 09:39 < fre_ber> "Multi threading" is actually no problem for ipl. Even I made an addition making use of separate threads. 09:40 < suzzi> hyarion: worst case I can just chunk up chapters and then just store everything in a file... though if I dont have too... 09:40 < suzzi> fre_ber: So do you think we will ever have multitasking? or is it more of a hardware limitation? 09:40 < fre_ber> There are even some initial attempts made to put mp3 decoding in a separate thread, but I imagine that this has been halted in order to wait for davidc's efforts to put decoding on the COP 09:41 < fre_ber> We already have multitasking. 09:41 < suzzi> fre_ber: ??? every time I hit menu my audio stops? 09:42 < fre_ber> Yes, but this is not a kernel restriction. Like I said, there is a podzilla build out there that continues to play. 09:42 < suzzi> fre_ber: is that on a CVS kernel or am I just missing something? 09:42 < fre_ber> I don't know where it is, I never tried it. I'm content with waiting for davidc to work his magic. 09:42 < suzzi> fre_ber: Ahh, I'm fairly new, I installed about 2 weeks ago but didnt get around to even using it untill a few days ago 09:43 < fre_ber> I imagine that you would have to make a search on the forum in order to find that version of podzilla, but it won't have all the latest goodies in it. 09:44 < suzzi> so it was a fork, or is it a developmetal test? 09:45 < fre_ber> I don't know if it was fork or pthreads. But just about everything in this project are "developmental tests". :) 09:46 < fre_ber> Or didi you mean fork in the project? 09:46 < fre_ber> I don't think that it eve got that big, just one dude trying it out. 09:46 < fre_ber> even* 09:47 < suzzi> fre_ber: I was thinking of a complete project fork but like you said everyone is just playing around to see whats possible. 09:47 < fre_ber> This is strange, everything drawn by the menu code fails, the title and hold icon works fine.. 09:49 < hyarion> fre_ber stupid question, did you update menu.c? 09:50 < fre_ber> It isn't the absolute latest version, but I think it is recent enough.. 09:50 < fre_ber> It uses the "pz_get_gc" function. 09:52 < fre_ber> And if the number listed in the error, it is not this gc that fails... :( 09:55 < fre_ber> This is strange, all the gc id's start at 1000, but the errors says that gc 16 and 24 are bad. 09:56 < fre_ber> Anyway, I have to continue this later. I have to go now. ttfn 09:57 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 09:58 < fre_ber> EvilDude, good morning. Maybe you have a quick answer for my question about my x11 build. 09:59 < fre_ber> Since the change to global gc usage, I can't run podzilla under x11, it complains about bad gcs. 09:59 < fre_ber> Any idea? 10:03 < EvilDude> hmm that's rather odd can you try just clean your podzilla directory then redownload podzilla 10:04 < fre_ber> Yes, I will have to try that later. But I have to run now. The problem is that I have some new code in there that I need to rescue some how.. ;) 10:05 < EvilDude> ah well make a copy of the podzilla dir and then see if cvs compiles 10:06 < fre_ber> The funny thing is that the title bar works, even the hold icon. But when it renders the menu I get about 36 errors complaining about gc 16 and anothger 90+ error complaining about gc 24. As far as I know gc ids start at 1000?!? 10:07 < EvilDude> that's odd =\ 10:07 < EvilDude> havent had that myself sorry 10:08 < fre_ber> Ok, np, I will try it on a clean checkout later. The thing is that I still need to do some changes in order for it to compile under cygwin, but I don't see how any of those changes could cause this behaviour. 10:09 < fre_ber> They also did work before.. :) 10:09 < fre_ber> Anyway, got to run. TTFN. 10:09 < EvilDude> give up on cygwin seriously ;) 10:09 < EvilDude> Try Vmware, QEmu or colinux or something 10:09 < EvilDude> ok cya 10:09 < fre_ber> lol, no way. I'm as stubborn as they come.. ;) 10:09 < EvilDude> haha 10:09 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-5f5b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #iPodLinux [] 10:09 < EvilDude> I used cygwin gave up as soon as I realised how much more Vmware offered me 10:14 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:19 < Sereroku> when i try to compile microwindows for ipod-x11 i get this error: 10:19 < Sereroku> Compiling scr_x11.c ... 10:19 < Sereroku> scr_x11.c:15:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory 10:19 < Sereroku> and much much more other errors ;) 10:20 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 10:25 -!- ChrisB [Miranda@p5480D8D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:41 -!- Sereroku [~Chris@Fd4f8.f.strato-dslnet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 11:14 -!- ChrisB [Miranda@p5480D8D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 11:26 * JonasNZ is off to bed 11:27 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:30 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F36D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:36 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 12:08 -!- beber [~Miranda@lcbv4-1-10.n.club-internet.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 12:08 -!- beber [~Miranda@lcbv4-1-10.n.club-internet.fr] has left #ipodlinux [] 12:21 -!- joecool|et [~joecool@joecool.no-sources] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:25 -!- Vanquisher|Away [~Van@vanquisher.user] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:31 -!- Synapse-_ is now known as Synapse- 12:33 -!- suzzi [~suzzi@c-24-22-107-55.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [""nappy time""] 12:35 -!- Vanquisher [~Van@nj-65-40-239-193.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:41 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has joined #ipodlinux 12:41 -!- leachbj__ [~leachbj@host81-153-187-63.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ipodlinux 12:42 -!- leachbj_ [~leachbj@host81-153-187-63.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:42 -!- leachbj__ is now known as leachbj 12:42 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 13:14 -!- budgie [~undef@budgie.user] has joined #ipodlinux 13:21 -!- Digital [digital@cvg-65-26-147-245.cinci.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 13:30 -!- HCl [hcl@titania.student.utwente.nl] has left #ipodlinux [] 13:51 -!- budgie [~undef@budgie.user] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:55 -!- Big_Luk is now known as Big_Luk_g4 13:58 -!- joecool|et [~joecool@joecool.no-sources] has joined #ipodlinux 13:58 -!- Big_Luk [~lmd@d54C3DAC5.access.telenet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 14:00 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 14:03 -!- Big_Luk [~lmd@d54C3DAC5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Client Quit] 14:05 -!- Big_Luk [~lmd@d54C3DAC5.access.telenet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 14:06 -!- Big_Luk [~lmd@d54C3DAC5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Client Quit] 14:06 -!- Big_Luk [~lmd@d54C3DAC5.access.telenet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 14:07 * BleuLlama yawns 14:10 < BleuLlama> who is littlenicky? 14:11 < leachbj> ? 14:11 < BleuLlama> is he in here occasionally? 14:12 < BleuLlama> (on the wiki) 14:12 < leachbj> not sure if I've seen him on irc... 14:12 < BleuLlama> ok 14:13 < joecool|et> can i get someone to try to ping my ip real quick.. i'm havin some issues i think with my DSL 14:15 < hyarion> is it possible to draw stuff to the screen without microwindows? 14:15 < leachbj> texta? 14:15 < BleuLlama> look in fb.c in the nanox stuff 14:16 < BleuLlama> microwindows really doesn't add much overhead. it's worth it to use it for the api it gives you 14:18 < EvilDude> is GCC 4 any good atm? 14:18 < BleuLlama> seventeen. 14:19 < EvilDude> a more normal answer :P ? 14:19 < EvilDude> does it have any new good optimizations yet or are those still being made? 14:26 < Jack_MD> np: Trio - Anna - lassmichrein, lassmichraus 14:26 < Jack_MD> damn wrong channel, excuse me 14:27 < Jack_MD> please 14:46 -!- joecool|et is now known as joecool 14:46 < joecool> hey.. is there a way to add photos to ipod photo on linux yet? 14:47 < joecool> (not on ipodlinux.. but on regular linux to appleos) 14:47 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:48 -!- Big_Luk_g4 [~lmd@d54C3DAC5.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Oops I'm gone"] 14:55 -!- peterburk [~peterburk@62.147.134.130] has joined #ipodlinux 14:55 < peterburk> hey all, anyone around today? 14:58 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 15:07 < BleuLlama> hmm. perhaps i should port daliclock to my clocks 15:13 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-o Luke ] by Luke 15:14 -!- Grunt [~grunt@S0106000c413a1c49.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:17 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F36D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:30 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has joined #ipodlinux 15:33 < courtc> BleuLlama- littlenicky was in here last night.. 15:36 < BleuLlama> just curious. 15:36 < BleuLlama> :} 15:36 -!- Grunt [~grunt@grunt.wikipedia] has quit [Operation timed out] 15:39 -!- joecool is now known as joecool|et 15:47 -!- smacmac [~smacmac@109.80-202-79.nextgentel.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:00 -!- bubba_ [~Bubba@future-is.orange.co.uk] has joined #iPodLinux 16:01 -!- bubba_ [~Bubba@future-is.orange.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 16:03 -!- smacmac [~smacmac@109.80-202-79.nextgentel.com] has quit ["Quitting!"] 16:25 -!- bubba_ [~Bubba@future-is.orange.co.uk] has joined #iPodLinux 16:30 < davidc__> grr... 16:30 < davidc__> my isp sucks donkey balls. 16:30 < davidc__> on the other hand, I now have a static IP 16:30 < davidc__> because apparently all I have to do is give myself an ip, and put traffic on it 16:31 < davidc__> and the IP will be listed as registered to me 16:31 < davidc__> strangeley enough, they make no mention of this when they try and sell their 100$ per month static ip plan 16:36 -!- bubba_ [~Bubba@future-is.orange.co.uk] has quit ["used jmIrc"] 16:36 < BleuLlama> lol 16:36 < davidc__> GRR! and my connection is still 292/900... yes, the numbers are in the correct order 16:36 < davidc__> 292 down 16:36 < BleuLlama> 900 upload? 16:36 < davidc__> 900 up 16:37 < BleuLlama> that's. f'ed. up. 16:37 < davidc__> where I should be getting 7000/1000 16:37 < davidc__> the 900 is within acceptable range 16:37 < davidc__> but my downstream is still sucking royally 16:38 < davidc__> oh, and I can't get a dhcp address 16:38 < davidc__> so I think I'll just rename myself as one of their routers 16:38 < davidc__> and see if I get uncapped 16:39 < davidc__> and an interesting thing is, I've talked to techs ranging from f'in retards to bsd gods 16:40 < davidc__> I like talking to the bsd god ones 16:40 < davidc__> they understand when you say "Openbsd router"... the f'in morons keep telling me to unplug and plug back in my rounter 16:40 < davidc__> no matter how much I tell them its a computer 16:40 < davidc__> them: "noo... its a special kind of computer... it doesn't matter if you unplug it." 16:41 < davidc__> me: "Its a fricking regular dual processor pentium 3 with a hard drive. its going to f'ing matter if I unplug it." 16:41 < davidc__> gr.. I'm slightly irritated atm 16:42 < BleuLlama> just go along with them. 16:42 < davidc__> BleuLlama - what the fuck? 16:42 < BleuLlama> or rather /say/ that you are doing what they're telling you 16:42 < davidc__> haha... 16:42 < BleuLlama> "yes, i just unplugged it and plugged it back in" 16:42 < davidc__> then they bitch cuz they can't ping it 16:42 < davidc__> and I explain thats because of the drop all rule 16:42 < davidc__> and then they ask me to restart the router again..... 16:43 < BleuLlama> chances are, if you have a machine like that, you can fake it through answering their questions the right way 16:43 < BleuLlama> ;) 16:43 < BleuLlama> turn on ping on it. satisfy them 16:43 < davidc__> yes... I know... 16:44 < courtc> thats how i do it.. "ok, just unplugged and replugged it, no change.. I think it might be a problem on your end.." 16:44 < BleuLlama> hahaha 16:44 < BleuLlama> ask to talk to the next level up in tech support... like level 2 or something 16:44 < davidc__> courtc - the last guy I talked to I ended up explaing how dhcp works 16:44 < courtc> haha 16:45 < davidc__> and just because my router was smart enough to try its old lease if it couldn't get a new dhcp addy 16:45 < davidc__> did _not_ mean that everything was happy in happyland 16:45 < courtc> I have a direct # to level 2 :) 16:45 < davidc__> courtc - you bastad ;) 16:46 < davidc__> the n00bs get worse every day: http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11564 16:46 < BleuLlama> okey. time for sushi. back later 16:46 < BleuLlama> (btw, i have all of the binary clocks done... i'm going to clean up the code a little more, so that they can be used ot display *any* time -- useful for setting an alarm... but i'll do that later today) 16:47 * BleuLlama waves 16:47 < BleuLlama> good luck, david 16:47 * BleuLlama idles 16:47 < courtc> davidc__- heh.. yea, that is pretty bad.. 16:47 -!- randomdude [~randomdud@82-147-17-182.dsl.uk.rapidplay.com] has quit [] 16:47 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 16:48 < davidc__> I am a firm member of the church of n00bshooters. 16:48 < davidc__> ah well.. cranking chemical bros on my speakers makes me feel a bit better 16:48 < davidc__> oh, and re the whole problem I'm having with speed issues, that triggered the whole modem replacement saga in the first place? 16:48 < davidc__> ITS STILL FUCKING HAPPENING 16:49 < davidc__> GRAHHHH 16:51 < macpod> gah... 16:51 < macpod> this has to be at least the 4rth or 5th action I have had to take against iPodrules 16:52 < courtc> bannanation! 16:53 < davidc__> ipodrules? 16:53 < macpod> a forum member 16:53 < davidc__> oh, the "Are they still working...." noob 16:54 < macpod> only 13 posts and all of em are worthless/so noobish you cant shake a stick at them.. or deleted because they ask about 4g support 16:54 < macpod> I think they should be warned first via email 16:57 < davidc__> I think they should be shot on sight 16:58 < macpod> so 4 actions in the mod action forum 16:59 < courtc> pm him.. 16:59 < macpod> Already ddid 16:59 < courtc> did he respond? 16:59 < macpod> not yet, I sent it like 2 min agao 16:59 < courtc> oh. 17:00 < courtc> I think 3 actions calls for a warning, and the 4th means banning 17:06 < macpod> Hmm I;ve got an idea 17:07 < macpod> how about making a deleted/locked topic on the forum 17:07 < courtc> ? 17:07 < macpod> That way people can see what types of posts are locked/will be deleted so they dont post them because common sense does not seem to be enough right now 17:09 < courtc> I think the reason we delete topics is to get them off the forum.. that seems kinda counter-productive 17:09 < macpod> well, this subtopic would not be writeable 17:10 < macpod> so you could only see what is there 17:10 < davidc__> call it the hall of shame 17:10 < macpod> and before you sent it there, you could delete the ads/offensive notes if any 17:10 < macpod> exactly 17:11 < davidc__> holy fuck.... one of my mom's wineglasses just shattered while sitting on the table 17:11 < davidc__> I think the volume is a bit loud 17:11 < courtc> .. 17:11 * davidc__ goes and turns the bass down 17:11 < courtc> maybe a bit loud 17:11 * macpod bets it was david_cs voice 17:11 < macpod> :o 17:11 < davidc__> its not so much the loudness.. its the vibration induced from the bass 17:11 < courtc> "What? Turn it up? ok!" 17:12 < davidc__> which btw, I can feel anywhere in the house ;) 17:12 < davidc__> anyways, brb shower.. to calm down before I decide to kill shaw again 17:16 * courtc writes a generic song database... 17:17 -!- Sneaker [sneaker@a84-231-145-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ipodlinux 17:19 < hyarion> lol a noob found my aim... he wants me to help him installing ipl on his ipod mini 17:20 < hyarion> i think it's ipodrules :D 17:20 < courtc> the next steps: generic database browser that interfaces with the playlist stuff; change itunes_db.c to use the generic database; create a generic threaded music player that polls the playlist stuff; create generic player gui 17:22 -!- Vanquisher [~Van@vanquisher.user] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:22 < courtc> then we can do stuff like m3u and pls playlists, playlist/database saving, etc. 17:26 < courtc> davidc__- please review that and make sure thats the direction we are going in.. 17:26 < courtc> leachbj- what do you think about this? 17:27 < leachbj> ummm... 17:28 < leachbj> (was that just an attempt to flush me out of hiding? 17:28 -!- hyarion is now known as hyarion|away 17:28 < courtc> it worked! 17:28 < leachbj> d'oh! 17:29 < leachbj> what would be the other sources of music? 17:30 < courtc> well.. we could scan directories 17:30 < courtc> if you wanted to add flac for example.. 17:31 -!- MikesTooLz [~knoppix@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:31 -!- Vanquisher [~Van@vanquisher.user] has joined #ipodlinux 17:31 < MikesTooLz> anyone here? 17:32 < leachbj> so you could say have /music/mods and /music/flac and the files in there would get added to the menus? 17:32 < courtc> sure 17:33 < leachbj> so the two uses would basically be for people that don't want to use itunes (or want extra tracks that aren't in itunes) or file formats that arent supported by itunes 17:33 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-103.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:33 < courtc> yep, exactly.. 17:36 < leachbj> could we just create extra entries in the current btree structure for those files/playlists 17:36 < leachbj> e.g. shoehorn it into what we have :/ 17:37 < courtc> shoehorn huh? heh.. that was why I was going to redo the database stuff.. it'd still be btree stuff, but just generic.. 17:38 -!- hyarion|away [~hyarion@1-1-10-41a.um.um.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:40 < MikesTooLz> hey guys i dont know much about linux, any of you think you could try and help me to install ipodlinux on my ipod? 17:41 < courtc> it'd be pretty much taking the database stuff out of itunes_db.c and sticking it in its own file.. the stuff that would need redoing regardless is the playlisting stuff.. (already prototyped) 17:41 -!- Vanquisher [~Van@vanquisher.user] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:42 < davidc__> hey bern 17:42 < leachbj> hey david 17:43 < leachbj> courtc; yeah I guess a bit of itunes_db is mostly generic 17:43 < MikesTooLz> anyone? 17:43 < davidc__> yeah.. I'd like to think that we could have a generic db interface 17:43 < davidc__> MikesTooLz - You're the one that wants it on a 4g+ right? 17:43 < leachbj> MikesTooLz; try some specific questions 17:43 < davidc__> MikesTooLz - We don't support that.. 17:44 < davidc__> anyways, I must call shaw now, and slaughter me some tech support representitives... 17:44 < MikesTooLz> david i cant even get linux to detect the ipod 17:44 < MikesTooLz> can you help with that? 17:45 < davidc__> MikesTooLz - install the appropriate drivers [sbp2 for firewire] 17:45 < davidc__> a generic db interface would be good courtc 17:46 < davidc__> so we can playlist from any db source... 17:46 < leachbj> courtc: by database do you mean the in-memory part or the itunes db, I could imagine we can split those two parts, then write a dir_tunes_db part that would do for a directory listing what itunes does 17:46 < leachbj> MikesTooLz: tell us what you've done & tried etc 17:47 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-5f5b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #iPodLinux 17:48 < courtc> leachbj- yep.. the btree / mallocpool stuff needs to be usuable by both... 17:49 -!- bubba_ [~Bubba@future-is.orange.co.uk] has joined #iPodLinux 17:49 -!- MikesTooLz [~knoppix@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:49 < leachbj> and the generic db thing you're talking about is just the btree plus the types that we store in there (and various functions to manipulate it) 17:51 < courtc> yea, and I need to look thorugh it more, but I'm not sure I like how it has seperate a artistlist albumlist etc... 17:51 < leachbj> i'm not exactly sure either... 17:52 < leachbj> but I guess I'm thinking a first cut that just used the itunes-centric types in the db and filled them in from id3 (or .mpu) info would be cool 17:52 < davidc__> bern - the problem is it takes a long time to get info about mp3 filesa 17:52 < leachbj> and BlueLlama could add something for the mod play lists 17:53 < davidc__> the id3 tags are located with no specific position 17:53 < davidc__> and not only that, there is not file length info 17:53 < davidc__> you gotta scan the entire file to get playtime 17:53 < davidc__> so unless we want 3 hour boot times, I suggest we use some sorta cached format ;) 17:54 < leachbj> yeah that sucks... but then this is just for files that don't exist in itunes 17:54 < davidc__> leachbj - ah 17:54 < leachbj> and yeah a optimisation could cache that back to disk 17:54 < davidc__> yeah, course. 17:54 < courtc> leachbj- I don't think that would be more useful than just for testing since we don't have a generic sudio player.. 17:54 < davidc__> I'm missing bits of the convo as I'm doing horrible horrible things to my network to appease the shaw idiocy gods... 17:55 < leachbj> courtc: ? 17:55 < courtc> scanning mods n'such 17:56 < leachbj> we can start with the same approach as for mp3 and aac? 17:56 < courtc> ugh.. i guess 17:56 < davidc__> hmm? 17:57 * courtc really really really wants a generic audio player 17:57 < davidc__> aac is easier to scan.... 17:57 < davidc__> when we load amp4 17:57 < leachbj> i'm just trying to think how we can move toward where we want to go without just ripping everything out and re-writing froms scratch 17:57 < davidc__> we get a pre-split list of frames 17:57 < davidc__> mp3's ya gotta jump for ward a # of bytes 17:57 < davidc__> and then find a sync frame 17:57 < davidc__> which doesn't always work 17:57 < davidc__> b/c if its vbr, you might jump a lot of time 17:57 < davidc__> or not even make it to the next frame 17:58 < courtc> heh.. I like rewriting.. I know what everything does then... :D 17:58 < fre_ber> ehlo 17:58 < courtc> olhe 17:58 < fre_ber> Here I come with more problems... 17:58 < davidc__> so basically with mp3s, to scan properly, ya gotta count frames going forwards and backwards 17:58 < davidc__> no other real easy way 17:59 < fre_ber> But I will try one thing before bothering you.. 18:00 -!- bubba_ [~Bubba@future-is.orange.co.uk] has left #iPodLinux [] 18:02 -!- budgie [~undef@budgie.user] has joined #ipodlinux 18:03 < courtc> oh well.. what do I need to do then? more file parsing? (m3u/pls) 18:07 < leachbj> integrating the mod/sid playback would be neat I think (and a good proof of concept) 18:08 < courtc> I'll let BleuLlama/hyarion do that.. (or whoever else wants) 18:10 < courtc> (thats my nice way of saying "I'm not gonna do that") ;D 18:10 < fre_ber> Ok, I get the same error with a fresh cvs checkout. 18:10 < fre_ber> Can I bother you now? ;) 18:10 < leachbj> courtc: ;) 18:11 < leachbj> what are you after then? directory scanning? m3u's? 18:12 < fre_ber> Since the change in GC management in podzilla I can no longer run podzilla under x11 :( 18:12 < leachbj> fre_ber: where do you see the problem? 18:13 < fre_ber> The window title shows up fine, even the hold icon works. But the code that renders the menu spews out over a hundred error messages complaining about "bad GC". 18:13 < fre_ber> "nano-X: GsError Bad graphics context: 24" 18:14 < fre_ber> I thought that gc ids started at 1000, what can 24 mean? 18:14 < courtc> I don't know anymore... I've been trying to lay out a plan for forward movement, but you are pretty good at shooting holes in them ;) 18:14 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E578D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:14 < leachbj> hmm... ok. i'm using cvs HEAD and no problems. 18:14 < courtc> ditto 18:14 < leachbj> 24 is possibly the error number 18:14 < leachbj> what config are you using? 18:15 < fre_ber> I first get about 36 of those with the number 16 instead, then about 90+ messages with 24. 18:15 < fre_ber> For microwindows? 18:15 < leachbj> courtc: sorry i don't want to stop you from moving forward, just trying to see where you want to go and how we can get there... 18:15 < leachbj> fre_ber: yeah for mw.. 18:15 < fre_ber> I think that I might use a modded version od the x11 config. 18:15 < fre_ber> of* 18:15 < fre_ber> It worked before, though. 18:16 < leachbj> what did you do just before it stopped working? 18:16 < fre_ber> Well, it was a long time ago since I tried the x11 version. Today I just checked out podzilla and compiled for x11 and I got this. 18:16 < courtc> leachbj- yea :/ but does anyone know in which direction we should be headed? 18:17 < leachbj> fre_ber: try with a new mw tree (just redo the setup there) maybe it will come good 18:18 -!- peterburk [~peterburk@62.147.134.130] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:18 < leachbj> courtc: not really. 18:18 < fre_ber> Is there a new version of mw? 18:18 < leachbj> no but your version sounds screwy 18:18 < fre_ber> Well, it has been working well. And I have done nothing to mw since it worked. 18:19 < fre_ber> I only re-compiled podzilla 18:19 < leachbj> and if you change nothing I suspect it will still not work ;) 18:19 < fre_ber> So you are certain that podzilla isn't the cause... ;) 18:20 < leachbj> since I dont know what you have I can only guess. but everything is working fine here for me and I have whats in CVS 18:25 < fre_ber> Ok, rebuilding mw from a fresh folder. 18:25 < courtc> leachbj- heh.. that could become a problem.. IMO we are at a point where we need to start refactoring, and where finding ways to remove stuff from podzilla becomes rather important.. adding games and decoders is great and is forward progress on a user level, but on a development level starts becoming bloated.. for example I think the objectives should move towards creating a generic audio player so we don't have to redo the interface/mi 18:25 < courtc> xer control/audio initialisation for every codec.. 18:28 < leachbj> agreed 18:28 < courtc> I'm not talking anything drastic (eg ptk), just perhaps we should sit down and write a roadmap.. podzilla is becoming more of an actual interface now, and less of a Proof-of-Concept 18:29 < courtc> a _VERY_ loose roadmap.. 18:29 < leachbj> i'm all for staying of the drastic path ;) 18:29 < courtc> heh.. :) 18:29 < davidc__> I also think we need to write up some coding / interface standards 18:29 < leachbj> ok, so maybe a list of areas we should refactor? 18:30 < davidc__> there's some copyrights that get displayed on the screen for some games 18:30 < davidc__> and I think we should have that as a no-no posted somewhere 18:31 < leachbj> courtc: e.g. refactor wav/mp3/aac to use a single playback loop 18:35 -!- Daishi [~daishi@pool-162-83-155-62.ny5030.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:36 < davidc__> hmm.. maybe we should make a TODO wiki page? 18:36 < leachbj> /requests should work ok 18:39 -!- intoxicat [~chatzilla@81-178-201-1.dsl.pipex.com] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041110]"] 18:42 -!- ambush [~ambush@Toronto-HSE-ppp3693176.sympatico.ca] has joined #iPodLinux 18:43 < davidc__> k 18:43 < courtc> yea, we can add a Task Type to flyspray 18:43 -!- ambush [~ambush@Toronto-HSE-ppp3693176.sympatico.ca] has left #iPodLinux [] 18:44 < courtc> since it isn't really a feature.. 18:45 < courtc> Refactor Request? 18:45 < leachbj> just call it a bug, where the bug is uglyness ;) 18:46 < courtc> hah! ok.. 18:48 < davidc__> alrighty 18:48 < davidc__> I'll give my cop code another go today 18:48 < davidc__> I'm pretty sure its a cache coherencey issue 18:48 < courtc> yay! 18:48 < fre_ber> Sounds great! 18:49 < davidc__> I was passing stuff via pointers 18:49 < davidc__> the pointers were in iram 18:49 < davidc__> but at that time of night, I forgot that the actual value was in regular ram 18:49 < davidc__> so moving everything to iram should help a bit 18:49 < fre_ber> :) 18:49 < davidc__> I was tired. ;) 18:50 < fre_ber> Ok, after recreating the microwindows from scratch I get... drumroll... No difference! The same error... :( 18:51 < leachbj> courtc: how about a simple refactor to create a oss.c with the audio controls in it 18:51 < leachbj> fre_ber: and you have a clean check out of podzilla? 18:51 < courtc> which audio controls? 18:51 < courtc> fre_ber- is this on cywin? 18:51 < courtc> cygwin* 18:52 < fre_ber> Yes, and don't tell me to go Linux, I know all that.. ;) 18:52 < fre_ber> I will attack this with my usual array of trace print outs.. :| 18:52 < leachbj> stuff like dsp_open/dsp_close dsp_vol_up() dsp_vol_down() 18:52 -!- wembley [~eric@143.44.114.242] has joined #ipodlinux 18:52 < courtc> leachbj- ok 18:52 < leachbj> basically whatever we can refactor out of audio.c/mp3.c/aac.c 18:53 < courtc> fre_ber- heh.. no warnings while compiling? 18:53 < fre_ber> None. 18:53 < fre_ber> Errr.. Compiling mw gives a few, but not podzilla 18:54 < courtc> can you debug and find the specific functions which are giving the errors? 18:54 < fre_ber> It was a millin years since I used gdb, but I will try to locate it. 18:54 < fre_ber> million* 18:56 < courtc> try and find out where that 24/16 comes from... 18:58 < courtc> leachbj- oss.c so we can switch to alsa.c later? ;D ;D 19:01 < leachbj> or add a mac interface for testing... 19:01 < courtc> ooh 19:01 < leachbj> hey I wonder if I should submit bug reports to apple when I find them in their firmware? 19:02 < courtc> ROFL! 19:02 < courtc> heh, you should! but then they might hire you, and we'd be out a lead developer... 19:03 < leachbj> yeah probably not worth it... its just a diag bug anyhow . 19:07 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E578D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:08 -!- Gent [~gent@c-24-218-66-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:09 -!- Gent [~gent@c-24-218-66-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 19:09 < davidc__> leachbj - heh, whats the bug 19:10 < leachbj> their audio playback function takes an argument but their code uses a local variable not the argument 19:14 < BleuLlama> damn. i wish this channel wasn't logged. i have a few things to say about certain products by certain friends. 19:14 < BleuLlama> heh 19:14 < BleuLlama> basically, in a nutshell. there are certain protocols that i cannot get for certain devices. he's a good employee. heh 19:16 < wembley> blarg 19:16 < courtc> blarg? 19:17 < wembley> is is possible to include a .h file in multiple .c's without it yelling at me for having a million variables the same? 19:17 < courtc> yep.. 19:17 < wembley> i used a #ifndef 19:17 < wembley> but it still does it 19:17 < courtc> mhmm... 19:18 < wembley> #ifndef __SOKOBAN__ 19:18 < wembley> #define __SOKOBAN__ 19:18 < wembley> [......] 19:18 < wembley> #endif 19:18 < davidc__> er, don't put variables in a header 19:18 < wembley> they are global though 19:18 < davidc__> define the variables in one file 19:19 < davidc__> and in the header put: 19:19 < wembley> and use externs? 19:19 < courtc> also, try not to use globals... they suck.. 19:19 < davidc__> extern vartype varname 19:19 < davidc__> yeah, globals suck 19:19 < wembley> i don't want to pass around a million pointers 19:19 < davidc__> if you can put everyhing inside a struct and only use one global struct that would be cool 19:20 < davidc__> that way when we're trying to figure out how the fuck everything is connected, its easier. 19:22 < fre_ber> Wee, that's what I did in Steroids.. ;) 19:22 < courtc> how does osx deal with audio? I'm assuming they use devices? 19:22 < davidc__> courtc - nope 19:22 < leachbj> err variables should never be in .h files... 19:22 < davidc__> courtc - they've got an audio API 19:23 < fre_ber> Anyway, I have found that the first 12 pixmaps created by menu_init works, but the following 14 gives three errors each. 19:23 < BleuLlama> yeah. .h files should have #defines, externs and function protos. 19:24 < fre_ber> What are these? 19:24 < wembley> ...where should i put my 500line array of levels? 19:24 < BleuLlama> sokoban_levels.c ? 19:24 < wembley> that doesn't feela any better 19:24 < wembley> feel* 19:25 < courtc> sokoban.maps and read it in.. :) 19:27 < courtc> unfortunatly that would put sokoban in the 'standalone apps' category 19:27 < courtc> or perhaps thats not such a bad thing.. 19:28 < wembley> why wouldn't it be a bad thing? 19:29 < courtc> eventually the monoliticity of podzilla is going to get real old... 19:29 < wembley> yeah 19:30 < wembley> if i had lots of time, i would make podzilla into just a program 'launcher' 19:30 < wembley> and then compile each thing standalone 19:30 < BleuLlama> put all of your apps in /apps use the file browser. done 19:30 < wembley> but i'm way too lazy 19:31 < wembley> the file browser can open programs? 19:31 < courtc> wembley- guess who has had lots of time already? 19:31 < courtc> heh.. 19:31 < wembley> santa claus? 19:32 < courtc> indeed.. 19:32 < courtc> oh, wait.. no. me 19:32 < wembley> lol 19:32 < BleuLlama> notice the 'x' on the right, when you select an executable? 19:32 < wembley> i haven't noticed it 19:32 < wembley> but i wasn't looking 19:33 < courtc> haha.. I meant about the program launcher/window manager/standalone app thing.. 19:34 < courtc> dsp_open/dsp_close/dsp_vol_up/dsp_vol_down/dsp_read/dsp_write 19:35 < courtc> yea, nea? 19:35 < leachbj> yea 19:36 < BleuLlama> what, courtc? 19:36 < courtc> good, since I copied 4/6 from what you said ;) 19:37 < courtc> BleuLlama- generic audio/mixer control 19:37 < BleuLlama> just going to make a wrapper interface for it, for podzilla? 19:37 < courtc> yup.. 19:37 < BleuLlama> cool. 19:38 < BleuLlama> you should make vol_up and vol_down do the _open automatically for you 19:38 < BleuLlama> perhaps also have dsp_vol_delta( int ) to pass in a volume change delta... ;) 19:38 * BleuLlama had been thinking of writing this himself 19:39 < courtc> can do.. 19:39 < BleuLlama> i'd be cool to just call "vol_up" or "get_volume" for mikmod, without worrying about re-opening the dsp file, etc. 19:40 < BleuLlama> get_volume, and get_max_volume would be good for doing volume display slider thingy 19:40 < leachbj> max volume is always 100 19:40 < BleuLlama> then make it a macro. ;) 19:41 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 19:42 < leachbj> hey didnt we make a mod in podzilla that would group volume change events into one? 19:42 * courtc thought he could do it without a struct, until BleuLlama started talking... 19:42 < davidc__> leachbj - yeah, I did... 19:43 < courtc> ;) 19:43 -!- baud [~baud@222.126.27.238] has joined #ipodlinux 19:43 < davidc__> its in there IIR 19:43 * davidc__ goes to check 19:43 < BleuLlama> with a struct? 19:44 < davidc__> er, actually 19:45 < davidc__> I did something 19:45 < davidc__> although looking at the code 19:45 < davidc__> I can't tell what 19:45 < davidc__> I just remember it made volume better 19:45 < courtc> yea, it needs to pass around at least the dsp filedesc and the mixer filedesc 19:45 < davidc__> yeah, thats what we do... we batch events 19:46 < BleuLlama> gotcha courtc. 19:46 < BleuLlama> you should just throw into that struct the current volume, and the max volume, that should work fine... :) 19:47 < courtc> yup, current volume.. max is 100 19:47 < courtc> ;) 19:48 < BleuLlama> i personally would like to see max in there, even if it's always fixed at 100... it'll just make the code cleaner, rather than having the '100' hardcoded everywhere. 19:49 < BleuLlama> i know it'll never change, but i think it will result in cleaner code, imo. 19:49 * BleuLlama doesn't like seeing magic numbers if they can be avoided. 19:51 < courtc> heh.. I hardly think 100 is a magic number... its like a percentage.. but I can throw in a define.. 19:51 < BleuLlama> i personally would have thought volume went to 256, or at least 128... 19:52 -!- baud [~baud@222.126.27.238] has quit [] 19:53 < leachbj> I've mod'ed my kernel to go to 101 ;) 19:53 < courtc> sounds.. uh.. useful 19:53 < leachbj> heaps louder! 19:54 < BleuLlama> well, it's one louder, isn't it. 19:54 < courtc> or a power of two louder.. ;) 19:55 * courtc gets back to coding.. 19:56 -!- Sneaker [sneaker@a84-231-145-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:56 -!- Sneaker [sneaker@a84-231-145-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ipodlinux 19:58 < Digital> any eta on a mini code ? what is need to help push that forward ? 19:59 < davidc__> GRAH! 19:59 < BleuLlama> +2 months now, since you asked 19:59 < davidc__> have you not seen the topic 19:59 < courtc> buy bern a beer 19:59 < davidc__> do youy know what the penalty for bugging us about that is? 19:59 < BleuLlama> every time somone asks, I add 2 months on to when we ill release mini. 19:59 < davidc__> it is DEATH 19:59 < Digital> Yes i've seen the topic and this is the first time i've been to this room so i don't see how i've asked you before 19:59 < Digital> and i was asking hardware wise 19:59 < Digital> if something was needed 20:00 < courtc> beer is hardware 20:00 < Digital> sorry for even asking to try and help damm.. i guess go back to RTFM 20:00 < courtc> beer? 20:01 < leachbj> mmmm 20:01 < Digital> I'll look at the code my self and modify it i just thought that if somebody need hardware or something to help .. the general linux community has really gone to shit over the years .. 20:01 -!- Digital [digital@cvg-65-26-147-245.cinci.rr.com] has quit [" well DJing over the internet to 10+ people isn't the same thing as DJing for a company or a radio station"] 20:01 < BleuLlama> ungrateful asshole. 20:02 < wembley> lol 20:02 < wembley> everyone says "if you need any testers, let me know" just so they can have it faster :( 20:02 < courtc> wth? linux has a community? since when? 20:02 < wembley> courtc 20:03 < wembley> linux.community.com 20:03 < BleuLlama> that's like the noobs that come on here with lots of hatred towards apple, not realizing that without apple, they wouldn't have that cool hardware in their pocket to begin with... the hand that feeds, etc. 20:03 < macpod> nin! 20:03 < wembley> er, www.linuxfacebook.com? 20:03 < BleuLlama> heh. 20:03 < macpod> I like how he put up the garage band track 20:03 < BleuLlama> yeah. i was playing with it on the 15th. :D 20:04 < BleuLlama> made a crappy remix in 30 minutes. 20:04 < courtc> wembley- never underestimate the power of sarcasm.. (especially coming from me) 20:04 < wembley> ohohohooh, sokoban testing time on the ipod 20:05 < wembley> i was retarded and started working on a menu system for it 20:05 < wembley> and then thought "hey, podzilla already has this in you moron" 20:05 < leachbj> hey did anyone do some nice screen shots for CT? 20:06 < courtc> <-- completely forgot :/ 20:06 < macpod> ct? 20:06 < leachbj> http://www.heise.de/ct/ 20:07 < macpod> mm, nope 20:07 < macpod> Are they requesting them? 20:08 -!- bergeron [~chatzilla@c-24-98-237-207.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:08 < leachbj> yeah they're after some hi-res stuff for an article 20:08 < bergeron> howdy 20:08 < macpod> anything in particular? e.g. for ipod photo? 20:09 < bergeron> does anyone have a linux app that control the ipod? 20:09 < leachbj> just ipl stuff - I'm not sure of the article content 20:09 < macpod> I can do stuff on a 3G, I am updating the screenshots page 20:09 < bergeron> i wrote a quick little perl script that sends commands from the cli 20:09 < BleuLlama> wemb: for lights, i use podzilla's menu for game type seletion and such 20:09 < leachbj> bergeron: do you mean via serial? 20:09 < bergeron> yeah 20:10 < bergeron> i'm using the max232 circuit for the 3G protocol 20:10 < bergeron> i'm using a stock 3G and I can send commands (play, pause, AiG mode, etc) 20:11 < bergeron> but, I have an electronics question for you guys (if this is the right place) 20:11 < bergeron> i can send commands to the ipod via the remote connector; but not the dock connector though... i wired up a circuit and used the pinouts; but for some reason my ipod isn't receiving serial commands 20:12 < BleuLlama> I believe that's a firmware issue, actually 20:12 < BleuLlama> the serial hardware *is* sending the responses, but only to the remote serial port, not the dock 20:12 < BleuLlama> friends in "companies" have mentioned this issue to me in the past 20:13 < BleuLlama> use the remote port, until the firmware is updated 20:13 < BleuLlama> ;) 20:13 < bergeron> hmmm 20:14 < bergeron> well, i'm using the Dock connector pinouts (not the dock though - I built my own adapter 20:14 < BleuLlama> i believe that was only with the extended serial protocol though. working with serial via ipod linux might work fine for you 20:14 < macpod> looks like the new 4gb and 6gb mini have different processors 20:15 < BleuLlama> yeah. hardware doesn't matter. the firmware in the ipod just isn't transmitting via the dock connector lines 20:15 < bergeron> BleuLlama: it isn't receiving either? 20:15 < BleuLlama> i thought you said your port was transmitting fine, just not receiving? 20:16 < bergeron> because, I haven't connected the TX lines (from the ipod) 20:16 < bergeron> hmm, i should clarify 20:16 < bergeron> my serial port on the Linux PC is working fine; when I connect it to (via a Max232 adapter) the ipods remote-control serial line, I can control the iPod from the PC 20:17 < BleuLlama> sounds right. okay. 20:17 < bergeron> however, when I connect that same wire (the transmit wire from the PC) to the RX pin of the dock connector of the ipod, I can't control it 20:17 < macpod> Does anybody have a shuffle here? 20:18 < BleuLlama> you may need a resistor on the dock telling it you have a remote there. 20:18 < bergeron> i'm sending the 255,80,00,02,04,247 byte string 20:18 < bergeron> i have one there 20:18 < BleuLlama> macpod; i have access to one somewhere? 20:18 < macpod> can you output the sysInfo file? 20:18 < macpod> after thta I will have all the sysInfo files 20:18 < BleuLlama> next time i have acces to it, i will. 20:18 < macpod> k 20:18 < bergeron> when i connect my device to the dock connector, the ipod bleeps (similar to when i place it in the real dock) 20:19 < BleuLlama> it knows there's a serial connection, and not just a dock, right? (you're using the correct resistor, not just the value for the dock) 20:19 < bergeron> uhm, i think so 20:19 < BleuLlama> okay. then, i don't know. 20:20 < bergeron> im using a 330 ohm 20:20 < bergeron> hmm, maybe that's my issue 20:20 < bergeron> i tried it with a 1M ohm, but i think i got the same result; lemme try that again 20:20 < bergeron> bbl 20:20 < bergeron> thanks for the tip 20:24 < BleuLlama> try 500k 20:24 < BleuLlama> http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl3lk6/default.html 20:27 -!- Daishi [~daishi@Daishi.member.nylug] has quit ["Client exiting..."] 20:27 -!- Daishi [~daishi@Daishi.member.nylug] has joined #ipodlinux 20:27 * fre_ber is debugging during commersial brakes... 20:28 < bergeron> BleuLlama: you answered my next question (about acquiring the dock connectors) before I even asked 20:28 < bergeron> thanks for that link - I really appreciate it 20:28 < wembley> is the input locked on the ipod while the hold switch is down? 20:28 < wembley> or is it a kernel/podzilla thing? 20:28 < fre_ber> Can you tell me what the pixmaps created in the mlist.c:menu_init are for? 20:29 < leachbj> wembley: depends on the ipod model 20:29 < wembley> ok 20:29 < wembley> ..so it's a hardware thing though? 20:30 < leachbj> wembley: depends on the ipod model 20:30 < wembley> lol 20:30 < wembley> bummer 20:31 < courtc> fre_ber- they are for the menu items.. 20:31 < courtc> one for each item that can fit on the screen 20:34 -!- Vanquisher [~Van@vanquisher.user] has joined #ipodlinux 20:42 -!- Sneaker [sneaker@a84-231-145-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:44 < BleuLlama> hmm. 20:44 < BleuLlama> i just realized my analog clock doesnt look right. 20:45 < BleuLlama> as time progresses on a real clock. the hours hand slowly moves towards the next number 20:45 < BleuLlama> mine doesn't. :( 20:46 < BleuLlama> hmm. 20:46 < BleuLlama> that was a quick fix. hehehe 20:49 -!- Vanquisher [~Van@vanquisher.user] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:50 -!- danalien is now known as princeofdarkness 20:51 -!- Vanquisher [~Van@vanquisher.user] has joined #ipodlinux 20:52 < BleuLlama> there we go. minute hand updates better too. :D 20:53 -!- leachbj_ [~leachbj@host81-153-187-63.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:54 < BleuLlama> okay. new clocks.c uploaded. http://www.patsy.cis.rit.edu/tmp/clocks.c 20:54 < BleuLlama> entry point: new_Clocks_window() 20:54 < BleuLlama> i'm not done, but you all can check it out if you like 20:54 * BleuLlama going afk for a while. 20:54 * BleuLlama waves 20:57 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@host81-153-187-63.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:57 < macpod> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1612&highlight= odam, someone found the color button! 21:00 < fre_ber> courtc, thanks. 21:02 -!- burrito [~elamigo20@c-67-169-168-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:03 < burrito> hey i have an ipod mini. anything i can do to help? 21:03 < burrito> guess not... 21:03 -!- burrito [~elamigo20@c-67-169-168-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:04 -!- zsk001 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 21:06 < fre_ber> This is interesting, the first 12 times menu_clear_pixmap is called from menu_init, the menulist->menu_gc is 1002, but the 13th time it has changed to 16, a couple of calls later it has changed to 24. Smells like something is overwritung the menulist data structure... 21:07 < fre_ber> Or the array isn't long enough. 21:08 < fre_ber> Aha, what was that, earlier, about magic numbers? The arrays are hardcoded to twelve entries... 21:10 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:10 -!- zsk001 is now known as zsk009 21:10 < bergeron> burrito, someone was asking for macmini help earlier 21:11 < bergeron> oops, sorry that was a shuffle 21:12 < courtc> fre_ber- yup.. it is, but nothing will need more than 12 pixmaps.. 21:13 < courtc> oh, wait.. you are compiling for cygwin-x11, right? 21:13 < courtc> and it creates a huge window.. 21:13 < courtc> which would call for more than 12 pixmaps.. 21:14 < courtc> just raise that number for now.. I don't want to have to take the resources to alloc N pixmaps each time a menu is created.. 21:16 < courtc> sorry bout that fre_ber... I should have though of it sooner.. 21:17 -!- bergeron [~chatzilla@c-24-98-237-207.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:19 -!- Z_Man [Gluon@dhcp024-209-094-095.woh.rr.com] has joined #iPodLinux 21:21 < fre_ber> Courtc, that is absolutely correct. :) 21:22 < fre_ber> But I would rather alter my mw settings so that it opens an ipod-sized window. :) 21:25 -!- Grunt [~grunt@S0106000c413a1c49.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:32 < fre_ber> Great, now it looks much better.. :) (Changed the default screen size to 160x128. :) ) 21:34 < courtc> :) 21:34 < fre_ber> This is very nice, unfortunately this debugging stopped me from doing what I really wanted to do, but at least, now I can test without downloading to the pod via serial port... :) 21:38 < fre_ber> lol, the keyboard repeat settings plays havoc with my morse code input stuff. :) 21:46 -!- Grunt is now known as GruntWillBBL 21:52 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has joined #ipodlinux 21:59 -!- biker4444 [~biker4444@cpe-24-175-18-143.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:01 < fre_ber> Got to sleep now. ttfn 22:02 -!- biker4444 [~biker4444@cpe-24-175-18-143.houston.res.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 22:03 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-5f5b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #iPodLinux [] 22:11 -!- leachbj_ [~leachbj@host81-153-187-63.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:14 -!- Bi-noix [~Bi-noix@dsl1.ivry.rezel.enst.fr] has quit ["maj system"] 22:24 -!- MrEUser [~chatzilla@204.110.225.254] has joined #ipodlinux 22:25 < MrEUser> Has anyone written a driver for the usb camera dongle (allows cameras to connect to ipod). Seems like it would work as a way to connect usb keyboard and mouse if needed.. 22:29 < courtc> yea, since we all need keryboards for our ipods.. 22:30 < courtc> and keyboards even.. 22:30 < MrEUser> Sure would be easier to edit names of songs directly on the ipod.. Boy you're a real positive thinker aren't you? 22:32 < courtc> it just seems that hooking an ipod up to a computer is a *little* easier than carrying around a keyboard.. 22:32 < courtc> and don't make me turn green.. 22:33 -!- Bi-noix [~Bi-noix@82.230.252.4] has joined #ipodlinux 22:33 < MrEUser> Seems like it would be nice to drop an ipod in a base, have the dongle attached to the base, a USB hub attached to the dongle and a keyb, mouse, ethernet or wireless adapter might be useful.. 22:33 -!- bubba_ [~Bubba@future-is.orange.co.uk] has joined #iPodLinux 22:34 < courtc> sounds like a laptop with a tiny screen.. 22:34 < BleuLlama> tiny cpu also 22:34 < courtc> oh, and a crap harddrive 22:35 -!- bubba_ [~Bubba@future-is.orange.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 22:37 < MrEUser> I guess it's a bad idea to try and find new ways to use existing technology. 22:37 < courtc> laptops exist.. :/ 22:40 < MrEUser> Used 3g ipod = 200$, USB dongle 30$, Linux = free. Being able to set up a computer to do just about everything you would need it to do in a college class room, in front of the teacher, and have it be completely silent ... Okay I see that would be a waste of time... 22:41 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 22:41 < wembley> lol 22:41 < wembley> i just made the most pointless program ever 22:41 < courtc> looks like I'm not the one being pessimistic here... 22:42 < MrEUser> actually that was an attempt at being scinnical (if I can spell it) 22:42 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-oo Luke davidc__ ] by ChanServ 22:43 * Luke slaps ChanServ 22:43 < courtc> cynical? 22:43 < courtc> heh, Luke.. they just restarted services.. 22:44 < Luke> yup 22:44 < Luke> your learning fast =p 22:44 < courtc> yea, this irc thang is quite nifty ;) 22:45 < wembley> i wonder why no one has made a 'mirror' program yet :-\ 22:45 < wembley> until now! 22:45 < wembley> lol 22:45 -!- coob [~cube@host-84-9-63-253.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:45 < courtc> and unless you *wanted* to be op, I thought I was helping :/ 22:47 < courtc> wembleywembley - mirror? 22:47 < wembley> lol, yeah 22:47 < MrEUser> Can I ask a question to make sure I understand what the point of ipodlinux is? 22:47 < wembley> (it's a black screen) 22:47 < wembley> like the palmpilot one 22:47 < courtc> haha 22:48 < wembley> ...most pointless prgram ever 22:48 < MrEUser> Mirror makes sure all the pixels work.. Not completely pointless.... 22:48 < wembley> then it should be called pixel test! 22:49 < coob> there's already that test in the diag mode 22:49 < MrEUser> That would make sence. Leave it as mirror, then it will fit in with the MS naming scheme.. :) 22:49 < wembley> graaaah 22:49 < wembley> my laptop is hating my ipod 22:49 < wembley> it won't send podzilla to it 22:50 < wembley> er 22:50 < wembley> lol, it isn't mounting it 22:50 < wembley> 1...2....3.....mount! 22:51 * JonasNZ takes a club to the mount command 22:51 < wembley> bah 22:51 < MrEUser> I havent been able to mount an ipod in 4 different distros of linux... 22:51 < wembley> it mounted under a different name 22:53 < courtc> MrEUser- did you try running mount? :D 22:53 -!- ericj [~eric@cpe-65-29-66-66.indy.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:53 -!- timebungary [~abc@S0106000c41279153.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:54 < MrEUser> Yup all 4 times 22:54 < timebungary> just wondering, the exact ipod 4g clock speed has not yet been revealed, right? 22:54 < MrEUser> Showed up as an apple SCSI device.. 22:54 < wembley> w00t, all better 22:55 < BleuLlama> it's supor sekkrit 22:55 < wembley> timebungary, i know what it is 22:55 < wembley> i will tell you if you mail me a bag of skittles 22:55 < wembley> :D 22:55 < timebungary> just did. 22:55 * wembley was serious 22:56 < coob> timebungary: we don't know what the clock speed registers are yet... 22:56 < BleuLlama> MrEUser: if you want a silent computer for taking notes, i *highly* recommend the IBM Workpad. It's WInce based, but you can install BSD on it... thinkpad style (awesome) keyboard, no moving parts, LED-based backlight to a 640x480 dual scan screen 22:56 < BleuLlama> great little box 22:57 < timebungary> thanks! 22:57 < coob> no moving parts? i has a flash hd? 22:57 < coob> it* 22:57 < BleuLlama> very small, 22:57 < BleuLlama> 20+ hour battery charge 22:57 < BleuLlama> yes 22:57 < coob> cool 22:57 -!- timebungary [~abc@S0106000c41279153.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:58 < wembley> coob 22:58 < BleuLlama> it's got i think 40mb (up to) ram, shared between program heap and storage.. pc-card slot, CF slot, sound, mic, etc. 22:58 < wembley> when you were borring someone's photo...did you find a trick to be able to make it sleep in the apple os? 22:58 < BleuLlama> oh, and if you have a NE-2000 PCMCIA network card, it "just works" 22:58 * BleuLlama stfu 23:00 -!- GruntWillBBL is now known as Grunt 23:01 < BleuLlama> oh, and you can find a Workpad for just a little under $100USD 23:01 < MrEUser> Trying to find an NE-2000 card with 200 mW output has been tough.. 23:01 < coob> wembley: holding down play... 23:01 < BleuLlama> i have an old one, works great... it was a cheap netsys card i think. 23:02 < BleuLlama> (it's the Workpad Z50, btw...) 23:02 < MrEUser> NetSys and it's 200 mW output 23:02 < coob> how much does ibm pay you :) 23:02 < BleuLlama> i dunno what the power requirements are on the card. i know it works. heh 23:02 < MrEUser> Okay thanks 23:02 < BleuLlama> coob: nothing, i just like the product. ;) 23:02 < wembley> coob 23:02 < BleuLlama> wish they'd pay me 23:02 < wembley> it doesn't always work 23:03 < wembley> same with the sleep thing in the main menu 23:03 -!- MrEUser [~chatzilla@204.110.225.254] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]"] 23:03 < wembley> i end up going through a bunch of menus or messing with the hold button for a few seconds 23:03 < wembley> then sleeping will work 23:03 < wembley> but it isn't consistant 23:05 < wembley> i want one of those linux wireless messenger things :-\ 23:05 < wembley> that use 802.11b 23:06 < coob> BleuLlama: what about wireless cards, would they work on it with bsd? 23:06 < BleuLlama> with bsd, yes, probably. 23:06 < BleuLlama> i don't think bsd worked with the power management on the thing, so any time you wanted to use it, you had to boot it up... pain in the butt 23:07 < BleuLlama> wembley: Zipit Handheld 23:07 < wembley> yep 23:07 < BleuLlama> they run uCLinux also 23:07 < BleuLlama> afaik. 23:07 < wembley> http://www.zipitwireless.com/linux.html 23:07 < BleuLlama> coob: i just leave mine in WinCE. instantaneous startup, basic text editor... good enough for me. 23:07 < wembley> it is uclinux 23:07 < BleuLlama> i hate wince, but it's easier 23:08 < BleuLlama> (talking about the z50 23:12 < coob> ibm workpad c3 = palm clone? 23:12 < BleuLlama> yeah. i think it is. i have the Z50, subnotebook-kind-of-thing 23:13 -!- Daishi [~daishi@Daishi.member.nylug] has quit ["Client exiting..."] 23:13 -!- Marlon [~marlon@eevul.info] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- Grunt [~grunt@grunt.wikipedia] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-103.buckeye-express.com] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- Poseiden [~mickey@rrcs-24-172-63-98.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- F-F_^hmf^ [FF_hmf@ipv6.have-more-fun.net] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- ericj [~eric@cpe-65-29-66-66.indy.res.rr.com] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- wembley [~eric@143.44.114.242] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-33-162-17.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- Capso [~genmaster@ip68-108-252-101.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- coob [~cube@host-84-9-63-253.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- tittof [tittof@agewar.de] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- Luke [~Luke@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- ScoTTie_ [skotty@dialup-1-068.MelbournePwrtl2.dft.com.au] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- usv [~jpaalija@asuka.tky.hut.fi] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- tanq_ [~tanq@66.169.136.135.ts46v-07.otnc1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- linbin [~fakker@cpc1-hitc3-5-0-cust156.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- Bi-noix [~Bi-noix@82.230.252.4] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:13 -!- Synapse- [~pnats@c211-30-74-249.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 23:14 -!- MikesTooL [~Avalaunch@68-235-145-105.miamfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 < JonasNZ> yeahhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa 23:14 -!- F-F_^hmf^ [FF_hmf@ipv6.have-more-fun.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has left #ipodlinux [] 23:14 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- Grunt [~grunt@grunt.wikipedia] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-103.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- Poseiden [~mickey@rrcs-24-172-63-98.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- Marlon [~marlon@eevul.info] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- ericj [~eric@cpe-65-29-66-66.indy.res.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- coob [~cube@host-84-9-63-253.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- Bi-noix [~Bi-noix@82.230.252.4] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- wembley [~eric@143.44.114.242] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- Synapse- [~pnats@c211-30-74-249.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-33-162-17.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- Capso [~genmaster@ip68-108-252-101.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- Luke [~Luke@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- ScoTTie_ [skotty@dialup-1-068.MelbournePwrtl2.dft.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- usv [~jpaalija@asuka.tky.hut.fi] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- tanq_ [~tanq@66.169.136.135.ts46v-07.otnc1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- tittof [tittof@agewar.de] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 23:14 -!- linbin [~fakker@cpc1-hitc3-5-0-cust156.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:15 < MikesTooL> anyone here? 23:15 < wembley> me 23:16 < MikesTooL> wembley what bootloader should i use to try ipodlinux on my ipod photo? 23:16 -!- Daishi [~daishi@pool-162-83-155-62.ny5030.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:16 < MikesTooL> will ipodloader-0.3.2 work? 23:16 < wembley> still trying to get the windows installer to work? 23:16 < MikesTooL> nope 23:17 < wembley> i'm not sure what bootloader to user...try one out 23:17 < MikesTooL> i got it working in redhat just wanna make sure im using correct files now 23:17 < wembley> if it doesn't work, try another 23:17 < wembley> i think i used the one in the beta folder 23:17 < MikesTooL> got a url to it? 23:18 < wembley> it's in the beta folder... 23:18 < MikesTooL> ok 23:19 < wembley> http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/download/beta/loader.bin 23:19 < wembley> i think that it the one i used 23:20 < MikesTooL> ok thanks 23:23 < MikesTooL> im going to install it on my ipod tonight ill let you know if i got it to work 23:27 < coob> you need cvs ipodloader 23:27 < coob> 0.3.2 won't work with anything newer than a 3g 23:28 < coob> BleuLlama: NEWS FLASH (April 2002): The latest NetBSD kernel supports audio, LCD blanking and suspend operations on the Z50!!! Thanks to the NetBSD developers, you can now hear sound on the Z50 and save even more battery power! 23:36 -!- joecool|et is now known as joecool 23:39 < MikesTooL> so coob the beta bootloader wont work? 23:39 < MikesTooL> it says 23:39 < MikesTooL> 16-Apr-2005 11:41 23:42 < BleuLlama> heh. cool. :) 23:43 < joecool> mmm that z50 looks pretty hot, where can i get some specs on it? 23:43 < BleuLlama> google for "ibm workpad z50" 23:44 < BleuLlama> you can usually find a few of them and high capacity batteries on eBay 23:44 < BleuLlama> i should get a 512mb CF card and install bsd onto it. heh 23:45 < joecool> linux ported to it yet? 23:45 < BleuLlama> um. no. why bother? 23:45 < joecool> (i know.. linux is a bit behind on mips) 23:45 < joecool> ... i like linux 23:45 < BleuLlama> bsd runs great on it. and it's a real unix. 23:46 < coob> linux is ported to it 23:47 < coob> as the bsd on z50 page says :) 23:47 < joecool> hrm.. no ethernet adaptor on it?!?! 23:47 < MikesTooL> coob so will the beta loader work? 23:47 < MikesTooL> 16-Apr-2005 11:41 23:48 < joecool> MikesTooL: how friggin hard is it to fetch the cvs? 23:48 < joecool> i mean comon 23:48 < BleuLlama> joecool; it was designed (what. 6 years ago?) to be an augmentation of your desktop machine, not to be a standalone box. 23:48 < joecool> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ipodlinux co tools/ipodloader 23:48 < joecool> pfft :P 23:48 < MikesTooL> how hard is it to answer a question? not as hard as grabbing the cvs 23:48 < BleuLlama> you want ethernet? just add a pcmcia card into it. geez 23:49 < joecool> MikesTooL: um.. can you handle copying and pasting that line i just sent? 23:49 < joecool> thats it.. you have the cvs source.. just go in there and run make 23:49 < joecool> then do the regular loader thing 23:49 < MikesTooL> not gonna do anything im on a windows machine right now 23:49 < joecool> ah.. 23:50 < coob> your faullt for using a shit os. 23:51 < joecool> coob: :P 23:52 < MikesTooL> how hard is it just to say yes or no 23:52 < MikesTooL> geez 23:52 < joecool> MikesTooL: in that case.. yes, it'll work 23:52 -!- JonasNZ [jbergler@jonasnz.user] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:53 < MikesTooL> ok thank you 23:53 -!- bubba_ [~rawles@aloha.cs.bris.ac.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 23:54 < joecool> BleuLlama: mm that thing must be good on power.. no moving parts, and an STN screen 23:54 < BleuLlama> that's what i said earlier 23:55 < BleuLlama> ~$20 for high-capacity battery on ebay -- ~25+ hours per charge 23:55 < BleuLlama> less if you're using network cards, but not by muxh 23:55 < BleuLlama> much* 23:55 < BleuLlama> it's a great little box. awesome keyboard on it too... excellent for writing 23:55 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@CPE-144-133-99-46.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 23:55 < BleuLlama> wish i had one when i was taking classes 23:57 < joecool> BleuLlama: where can I go about trackin one of those mofo's down? 23:57 < BleuLlama> that's what i said earlier 23:58 < joecool> yeah.. i google'ed but noone seems to have any 23:58 < BleuLlama> for someone slamming on someone else for not reading... 23:58 < joecool> i wasn't even here before.. 23:59 < BleuLlama> you were here the whole time i was talking about it. 23:59 < joecool> so i was.. 23:59 * joecool scrolls up --- Log closed Mon Apr 18 00:00:00 2005