--- Log opened Tue Feb 01 00:00:01 2005 00:00 -!- Grunt [~grunt@S0106000c413a1c49.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:01 < nunofgs> piratePenguin: please don't do that... just thinking about taking apart my ipod gives me shivers :P 00:02 < piratePenguin> too late... motherboards out 00:02 < nunofgs> eeek 00:02 < piratePenguin> ahh the screed :D 00:02 < piratePenguin> screen* 00:03 < courtc> ball-peen hammers are good for disassembling ipods 00:03 < piratePenguin> holy **** ... my case is burned on the inside ... obviously from my previous experiments (with the cable) 00:03 < nunofgs> you monster! 00:04 < joshhhhhhh> hey my friend who works @ apple said that the linux is uber slow 00:04 < nunofgs> I had to choose between a college education and an ipod :( 00:04 < piratePenguin> heh 00:05 < joshhhhhhh> is it truly slow? 00:05 < piratePenguin> fast enuff for me 00:05 < piratePenguin> I can almost lift out the screen... 00:06 < nunofgs> joshhhhhhh: compared to apple's firmware, yes. But I suspect it'll get better over time 00:06 < joshhhhhhh> oh ok thx 00:06 < nunofgs> well, last time I tried it at least... some 4 or 5 months ago 00:06 < nunofgs> I have a 4g ipod now 00:06 < joshhhhhhh> well if i was just playing like all the songs in a row could it go from song to song quickly? 00:07 < courtc> joshhhhhhh- the speed of the hard drive isnt going to be any faster than the apples fw 00:08 < piratePenguin> ahh.. thats enuff experimenting for one night ... I better get to bed now .. got exams in the morning, should've studied for 'em but got caut up with this friggin ipod 00:09 < courtc> ipodlinux has had a few major speed improvements over the last few months.. mp3 decoding is still slow, but it just needs to be relocated.. 00:09 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup0833.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 00:11 -!- kjames [~kjames@h00062563dd61.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:17 < joshhhhhhh> you think that will be fixed by the time they get the ver out for 4g 00:20 -!- arden87 [~olli4555@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:22 -!- nunofgs [~root@80.172.138.195] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:26 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3FE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:27 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3FE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:27 < coob> joshhhhhhh: http://ipodlinux.org/4g#When_will_it_be_done.3F 00:30 < joshhhhhhh> i wasnt asking when it would be done, thats not allowed lol 00:30 < joshhhhhhh> i was just asking would the problem be fixed by that point 00:30 < coob> uhhhhhhhh 00:31 < coob> Will x have been done by the time 4g support is finished? 00:31 < coob> Only if it's done. The developers can't give you a reassurances to set your watch by, this is a hobby project. 00:31 -!- arden87 [~olli4555@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 00:31 < coob> is right under that anchor. 00:32 < muesli> huhu 00:32 < muesli> where to start if i want to help with 4g dev? 00:33 < coob> what can you offer the team? 00:33 * Grunt listens in 00:34 < muesli> a 4g lies next to me. i have experience with c/c++/asm (even though not much knowledge about arms yet) 00:34 < muesli> cvs and opensource development since quite some time, mostly kde-related 00:35 < coob> any good with disassembly/reverse engineering? 00:36 < muesli> did some stuff with the dbox2 (dunno if you know it, dvb decoder / paytv) 00:36 < coob> cool what 00:36 < muesli> http://www.tuxbox.org 00:37 < muesli> some bootloader / serial port debugging 00:38 < coob> apart from what's listed over at http://ipodlinux.org/4g#What_can_I_do_to_help.3F you can ask (leachbj/nilss/davidc__)(mostly hw) (normalperson/courtc)(mostly sw) if they need a hand with something in particular 00:38 < muesli> cool 00:38 < muesli> will do so of course 00:39 < coob> is that dbox dvb-s? 00:39 < muesli> is there some mailinglist to subscribe to? 00:39 < coob> yeah the sf one 00:39 < muesli> there's a dvb-s and a dvb-c version 00:39 < muesli> the dbox2 aint produced anymore, though 00:39 < coob> ah :< dvb-t is the main staple in the uk 00:39 < muesli> there's http://www.dreammultimedia.tv, though 00:40 < muesli> it's a "pimped-up" dbox2 00:40 < muesli> which is produced by the core dbox2-linux devs, along with a company 00:40 < muesli> it's an opensource hdd-dvb receiver 00:40 < coob> cool 00:40 < muesli> pretty cool 00:40 -!- zsk0009 [~zsk009@69.250.14.201] has joined #ipodlinux 00:40 < muesli> esp. since it's powerful enough to decode most of the pay-tv in realtime ;-) 00:41 < coob> only other dvb tuner with a hdd i've seen is that one pace ma[de|kes] 00:41 < coob> ehe legit or not 00:41 < muesli> the paytv thingy? 00:41 < coob> yeah 00:41 < muesli> heh sure 00:41 < muesli> thats how i got my mtv base over here in germany ;-) 00:42 < coob> i can't remmeber what our dvb-t uses for encrypted channels. most of them are free, just a couple are encrypted 00:42 < coob> not much room for channels with dvb-t 00:43 < muesli> true 00:43 < muesli> dvb-s rocks, though 00:44 < coob> yeah i have a dual tuner sat receiver with a hdd 00:44 < coob> sky+ thingybob 00:44 < coob> so dvb-s but with nds encryption 00:45 < coob> last i heard there was windows dll to decrypt it given a valid card but i'm not mucha sathead 00:49 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:54 -!- joshhhhhhh [~jewtwitch@adsl-66-124-8-20.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [] 01:02 -!- NewAngel [~myname@64.241.37.140] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:04 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-67-77-2-251.sta.sprint-hsd.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"] 01:05 < muesli> uhm 01:06 < muesli> got podzilla running (x11) 01:06 < muesli> how to control it? doesnt seem to react on mouse clicks 01:06 < courtc> r/l = wheel right/left; 01:06 -!- CompotatoJ [~jeff@24-25-221-211.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:06 < coob> read the wiki 01:07 < coob> the keys are listen on the building page 01:07 < coob> at the bottoms 01:07 < muesli> http://ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla_for_the_Desktop 01:07 < muesli> this one? 01:07 -!- joecool [~joecool@joecool.no-sources] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:08 < coob> yes. 01:08 < coob> 3. Now you should be able to run make to compile podzilla for microwindows. Running ./podzilla should open a new podzilla window after it is compiled. Use 'l' (left wheel), 'r' (right wheel), 'm' (menu), 'enter' (action), 'w' (rewind), 'f' (fast-forward), 'd' (play) to navigate. 01:08 < muesli> arg 01:08 < muesli> sorry :-) 01:09 < muesli> didnt see that 01:09 < courtc> coob == copy/paste master! 01:09 -!- limb0 [limb0@CPE-60-225-28-212.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 01:10 < coob> yeah that cygwin stuff needs to be moved around 01:10 < BleuLlama> back later 01:10 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has left #ipodlinux [] 01:10 < muesli> cool works fine 01:10 < courtc> have you memorized the whole wiki coob? 01:10 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 01:11 < courtc> ooh, that was a while BleuLlama 01:11 < limb0> the first time I booted it seems to boot ok but the screen is black, the contrast is way too high. I can faintly see the selector bar but i cannot make out any txt. how can I adjust the contrast? 01:11 -!- josh_ [~josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:11 < coob> courtc: pretty much heh 01:12 < courtc> 2 clockwise, 1 click clockwise, adjust counterclockwise 01:12 -!- joecool [~joecool@joecool.no-sources] has joined #ipodlinux 01:12 -!- Bieh [user121@202.49.165.22] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]"] 01:12 < coob> eh courtc that needs to go ont he wiki :) 01:13 < courtc> heh, in the faq++ 01:13 < coob> on the troubleshooting page 01:13 < courtc> or that 01:13 < limb0> courtc: thanks tremendously, ur a fookin legend 01:14 < josh_> leachbj: any chance I could get the code that got the kernel booting on 4G? I want to hack on it a bit. 01:14 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup0833.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:14 < courtc> josh_- alot of that code made it into cvs today.. 01:14 < muesli> coob: the 4th gen arm is slower than the one of the older ipods, right? 01:14 < coob> josh_: i think thats in cvs now 01:14 < josh_> ok great 01:14 < courtc> limb0- np 01:14 < josh_> museli: don't think so 01:14 < courtc> muesli- yes it is 01:14 < coob> muesli: no 01:14 < josh_> pretty sure it's faster 01:14 < coob> but apple runs it slower 01:14 < coob> i think? 01:15 < josh_> but it has untapped potential :-) 01:15 < muesli> ah 01:15 < muesli> :-) 01:15 < limb0> it's saying "cannot open mp3" when I try to play a file. I use ephod to load music. is this causing a problem? 01:15 < josh_> there's talk that it might work for full-speed OGG! /me hopes... 01:15 < piratePenguin> does the screen/mobo come *off* the ipod front panel? 01:15 < coob> should do piratePenguin 01:15 < piratePenguin> without breaking 01:16 < coob> uhh :) 01:16 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5315#5315 01:16 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:17 < muesli> funny, we had the same thing with the dbox2 01:17 < muesli> it's basically a 33mhz cpu 01:17 < muesli> we managed mp3 playback eventually 01:17 < muesli> you could overclock the cpu easily with the dbox2's cpu 01:17 < piratePenguin> coob: um, have you ever taken either off before? 01:17 < courtc> read that post! 01:18 < courtc> dont make me copy/paste ;) 01:19 < muesli> courtc: talking to me? 01:19 < muesli> i read it, dont worry ;-) 01:19 < piratePenguin> coob: you LIED! 01:20 < piratePenguin> I tried to lift the screen cable thing off the front panel and there's wires underneath ... hope none of 'em came off 01:20 -!- azz- [azzkicker@adsl-068-209-101-169.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit ["heh"] 01:20 < limb0> is there a forum post for this "cannot open mp3" error I am getting? 01:20 < courtc> probably.. 01:21 -!- oleben56 [~oleben56@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:21 < piratePenguin> phew.. ipods still alive 01:21 -!- aliben67 [~oleben56@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:22 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama was on about changing the colour of the backlight on the ipod... how is that possible? 01:22 < courtc> you cant 01:22 < piratePenguin> sorry, never seen ya BleuLlama heh.. taut you were voiced 01:22 < piratePenguin> s/were/would be/ 01:23 < Squee> you can with physical mods... 01:23 < piratePenguin> how? 01:23 < courtc> replace the lcd 01:24 < Squee> someone was applying colored filters to the thing... i saw a post somewhere about it... try www.hackaday.com 01:24 < piratePenguin> jesus ... that'd be hard ... where can ya buy the lcd's ? 01:24 < piratePenguin> thanks Squee 01:25 < limb0> how do I go about editing the /etc/rc file? 01:25 < piratePenguin> http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1522964541885053/ 01:26 < BleuLlama> putting a gel on the screen is a bad idea. putting a gel on the LEDs is a good idea 01:26 -!- joecool is now known as joecool|pie 01:26 < BleuLlama> i had a gel on my screen for a while, and it was nearly impossibl;e to see most of the time 01:26 < piratePenguin> hmm 01:27 -!- joecool|pie is now known as joecool|food 01:27 < BleuLlama> perhaps a lightly tinted one would work. but i had a pure red and pure blue filter... both were too dark to read at dusk, and impossible to read in my car. 01:27 < BleuLlama> good idea gone bad. 01:27 < BleuLlama> even better; desolder the surface mount LEDs and solder on new colored ones. :) 01:27 < piratePenguin> :| 01:28 < piratePenguin> the screen doesn't seem to be very... hackable 01:28 < BleuLlama> no. but it's very fragile and breakable... especially the ribbons and their connection to the glass. ;) 01:29 < BleuLlama> be careful with that. if the ribbon separates from the glass, there's no way to repair it. :( 01:29 < piratePenguin> k 01:29 -!- haunted_i [~haunted_i@64-219-238-25.ded.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:29 < BleuLlama> i had that happen on a laptop i was working on once... :( 01:30 < piratePenguin> :/ 01:30 < courtc> yea, that is no good.. I've had that happen also.. 01:30 -!- Bieh [user121@202.49.165.22] has joined #ipodlinux 01:31 < josh_> am I right in noticing that only about 5 files or so have been modified for 4G support (which is listed in viewcvs as "6 hours")? 01:32 < courtc> yep 01:32 < josh_> great 01:32 < courtc> 6 I think.. 01:32 < josh_> now just to wait for this arm toolchain to compile :-) 01:33 < josh_> another ?: are there any reasons why one couldn't use C++ on the ipod? (I'm referring to just the basics + polymorphism, no exceptions/rtti/templates/etc.) 01:34 < muesli> josh_: interesting 01:34 < coob> there were probelms getting the arm g++ compiler to work i belive, but it's feasible. 01:34 < josh_> ok, thx for the info 01:35 < courtc> nah, you just need to find good c++ compiler.. 01:35 < courtc> There habe been a few c++ apps on the ipod.. 01:35 < muesli> whats the current status of the 4g support? do you get to the boot loader already? 01:35 < courtc> muesli- ... ... ... 01:35 < muesli> well dumb question 01:36 < coob> hmm courtc reading that thread 01:36 < muesli> i mean the os selector 01:36 < coob> muesli: read the wiki 01:36 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/4g 01:36 < coob> i still reckon video would be cool even with 2bit greyscale :D 01:36 < coob> esp with sound :D 01:37 * coob investigates simple codecs 01:37 < courtc> yea, even just POC 01:37 < coob> POC? 01:37 -!- joecool|food is now known as joecool 01:37 < piratePenguin> damnit I broke my screen ... 01:37 < courtc> proof of concept 01:37 -!- \krunch [~krunch@60-234-130-46.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [] 01:37 < BleuLlama> the glass or the ribbon? 01:37 < Grunt> piratePenguin, ouch 01:37 < courtc> piratePenguin- you arent having a good day are you? 01:37 < piratePenguin> I'm having an excellent day 01:37 < muesli> coob: well yes, i read that of course 01:38 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: just where its connected to the mobo ... 01:38 < muesli> coob: just wanted to know about any progress 01:38 < BleuLlama> oh, you can reconnect that. there's an interlock there that holds the ribbon in, so you can remove and plug it back in 01:38 < BleuLlama> unless the ribbon is torn 01:38 < limb0> how can I edit the /etc/rc from windows? I can't see any of the folder when I boot apple, and when I boot linux It fails to appear in explorer 01:38 < BleuLlama> in which case, yeah. you're screwed. ebay it. 01:38 < courtc> muesli- all interesting progress has been/will be posted on the blog 01:38 < coob> muesli: yeah we get the same question 8million times a day 01:38 < coob> ipodlinux.org/blow 01:38 < coob> read. 01:38 < coob> er 01:39 < coob> ipodlinux.org/blog 01:39 < coob> :) 01:39 < courtc> blow haha 01:39 < muesli> coob: hrhr, can imagine 01:39 < muesli> lol 01:39 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: umm.. I'll fix it =) 01:39 < BleuLlama> good luck 01:39 < BleuLlama> :) 01:39 < piratePenguin> thanks 01:39 < coob> limb0: you need to use something that will see ext2/3 01:39 < coob> such as explore2fs or whatever its called 01:39 < limb0> beauty, thanks maaate 01:41 -!- zsk09 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:43 < coob> courtc: maybe we can steal^H^H^H^H borrow the rockbox video player/format :) 01:44 < courtc> they use a dsp 01:44 < coob> although they may may be 1 bit, i can't remmeber 01:44 < coob> not for video they don't :) 01:44 -!- oleben56 [~oleben56@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:44 < courtc> #rockbox invasion time! 01:46 < coob> ah yeah the rockbox fw is based on 1 bit colour 01:46 < coob> still can't be that hard to port the video stuff at least :) 01:46 < limb0> explore2fs doesn't seem to be showing me anything. ipod is booted to linux & connected.. any ideas or other ways to do it? 01:47 < piratePenguin> so the screen doesn't come off at all ? 01:48 -!- oleben56 [~oleben56@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:49 < piratePenguin> the mobo does 01:49 -!- oleben56 [~oleben56@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 01:50 < coob> ouh no 01:50 -!- zsk0009 [~zsk009@69.250.14.201] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:50 < coob> rvf is 2 bit i think 01:50 < piratePenguin> yes! yes the screen does come off! 01:51 < piratePenguin> right, I've dissected as much of this ipod as I can .. better get some sleep now 01:52 < BleuLlama> you sure you don't want to put it back together before you go to sleep? 01:52 < BleuLlama> (so you don't forget how it all goes back together...) 01:52 < BleuLlama> (i know i forget..) 01:52 < piratePenguin> no ... I'm not finished with it yet =p 01:53 < piratePenguin> btw, can I buy all these parts some place and build my own ipods? 01:53 -!- aliben67 [~oleben56@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:53 < piratePenguin> ie, is it (realistically) possible to get the parts myself? 01:53 < BleuLlama> you can probably buy them from people who have disassembled ipods 01:54 < BleuLlama> the boards themselves will only be available from apple or from repair places 01:54 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 01:54 < piratePenguin> alright 01:54 < BleuLlama> lcds probably from their manufacturer, if they're not custom... but it'll be expensive 01:54 -!- Potato [Potato@pool-138-88-40-117.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:54 -!- nonesuch [user@dhcp-43-47.EECS.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 01:54 < piratePenguin> someone got the stuff and posted on the forums ages ago ... 01:54 < BleuLlama> it's like trying to build a car with repair parts. you can do it, but it'll be expensive... 01:55 < Potato> would ipod linux work on a 2g ipod (15g)? 01:55 < piratePenguin> yep 01:55 < BleuLlama> this is in the faq 01:55 < Potato> awesome 01:55 < Potato> Why would you want to do that? 01:55 < Potato> For a number of reasons, but mainly because we can. 01:55 < muesli> someone got a gcc-arm toolchain for debian? 01:55 < Potato> so true 01:56 < courtc> muesli- you need to learn how to read.. 01:57 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:57 < muesli> courtc: trust me i'm trying ;-) 01:57 < muesli> so tell me what i did wrong this time? 01:57 < BleuLlama> you didn't read 01:57 < BleuLlama> courtc covered that pretty well 01:57 < muesli> so what did i misread? 01:57 < BleuLlama> but then, you didn't read his comment, so i guess there's some irony in there.. 01:58 < courtc> http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/arm-elf-tools/arm-elf-tools-20030314.sh 01:58 < Potato> now if i could just find my ipod id be set 01:59 < josh_> muesli: I'm building mine with uclibc's buildroot. 01:59 < muesli> courtc: thnx 01:59 < josh_> -> same thing :-) 02:00 -!- oleben56 [~oleben56@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:00 < josh_> /home/oremanj/dl/buildroot/build_arm_nofpu/staging_dir/arm-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: cannot find -lfloat 02:02 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=468 02:02 < courtc> goodness.. enough directories? 02:02 < Potato> now if i can get linux on my DS 02:02 < Potato> thatd be sweet 02:03 < coob> aha courtc the archos firmware simulates greyscale by fliping hte pixel and off quickly 02:03 < coob> that's a neat hack 02:03 < coob> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginVideo 02:04 < josh_> seem to remember that's the way TI calcs did it too 02:04 < josh_> tho the iPod can actually display 2-bit grayscale (black, white, light & dark gray) 02:04 -!- oleben56 [~oleben56@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:05 < Potato> is there a vid player for the ipod? 02:05 < Potato> like a way i could send a mpeg over and watch the video? 02:05 < Potato> (greyscale) 02:05 < josh_> go ahead and write one :-) 02:05 < Potato> lol 02:05 -!- ryanlrussell [~Default@inside-rtr.bigfix.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:06 < Potato> im only a beginner coder 02:06 < Potato> im way too new 02:06 < courtc> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginGrayscale 02:06 < Potato> courtc 02:06 < courtc> very impresive 02:06 < Potato> that would run on ipod? 02:07 < BleuLlama> if you port it, sure! 02:07 < Potato> lmao 02:07 < Potato> brb 02:07 < coob> that'd probably work a lot better with the ipod's 4 greys courtc 02:07 -!- gonffen [~Josh@c-24-3-205-173.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:08 < courtc> yea, we _have_ to do that now.. 02:08 < piratePenguin> holy crap ... thats cool ... apple never taut a that 02:09 < coob> eh the best ideas are always stolen 02:09 < coob> uh i mean borrowed :) 02:10 < courtc> rockbox has a plethora of awesome ideas 02:10 < piratePenguin> "good artists copy. great artists steal" I think Steve Jobs said something like that... googlin it 02:10 < gonffen> borrowed/stolen/given :) 02:10 < Potato> w00t go steve jobs 02:10 < Potato> lol. 02:10 < Potato> i cant find my iPod >_< 02:10 < Potato> brb 02:10 < gonffen> does that make bill gates a good artist? 02:11 < piratePenguin> rofl 02:11 < coob> 'steal' not 'copy badly but market well' 02:11 < coob> http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/grayscale.c?rev=1.10&view=auto 02:11 < piratePenguin> http://transient.moltenglobule.org/past/2004/06/the-tiger-update/ 02:11 < piratePenguin> rofl 02:11 < coob> thar courtc, port it this instant! or else! is 4g done yet? why not! :) 02:11 < courtc> aye aye 02:12 < gonffen> courtc: can I use my 3g with ipodlinux? 02:12 < gonffen> or am I still in the dark too ;) 02:12 < coob> gonffen: try reading the website. 02:13 -!- aliben67 [~oleben56@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:13 < gonffen> coob: I was kidding 02:14 < Potato> crap 02:14 < Potato> i found my cell phone 02:14 < Potato> but not my ipod 02:14 -!- aliben67 [~oleben56@p548C9CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:14 < BleuLlama> OH MY GOD 02:14 < BleuLlama> THAT WAS SO FUNNY! 02:14 < piratePenguin> holy sweet jesus 02:15 < coob> actually i heard he tasted more like eggs. 02:15 < Potato> YES!!!!!!!! 02:15 < Potato> got it!!!!! 02:15 < Potato> BOOOYAAAAAH KAAAASSSSSHHHHHAA 02:15 < coob> got what? the crumb sticking your shift and 1 key down? 02:15 < Potato> lol 02:15 < Potato> no 02:15 < piratePenguin> rofl 02:15 < Potato> my ipod 02:16 < courtc> kansas? wha? 02:16 < josh_> ooh, just found out the hard way that export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/foo/lib" will include . if $LD_LIBRARY_PATH is empty 02:17 < josh_> cd build_arm_nofpu/staging_dir/arm-linux-uclibc/lib && ls --> ls: error while loading shared libraries... 02:17 < piratePenguin> I'm *REALLY* going to bed now 02:17 < piratePenguin> g'd nite all 02:17 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup0833.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:17 < coob> hm 02:18 < coob> so until that lazy-ass courtc gets greyscale working, 02:18 * coob designs a 2 bit audio interleaved codec 02:18 < coob> stealing mostly from rvf :D 02:18 < Potato> w00t stealing 02:20 < Potato> hmmm 02:20 < Potato> so i guess no way to watch movies yet 02:21 < coob> Potato: try reading the wiki to get and idea what ipl can/can't do 02:21 < Potato> okay 02:21 < Potato> im very new to this 02:23 < Potato> heh thanks for bearing with me btw 02:24 < courtc> http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/lib/ :/ 02:25 < coob> hehe :0 02:25 < coob> courtc, i was thinking that the greyscale stuff is probably best jacked into the framebuffer part of the kernel 02:26 < courtc> if 1bit color can get 33 levels of gray, 2bit could get.. ___ 02:26 < courtc> perhaps more... 02:26 < Potato> cool linux is bootinh up 02:26 < coob> 132? 02:27 < Potato> *booting 02:27 < coob> 99 02:27 < coob> maybe 02:27 < coob> depends how its done 02:27 < coob> 100 owuld be nice and neat :D 02:27 < courtc> yup.. 02:28 < Potato> cool its got pong 02:28 < gonffen> doesn't pong come with an iPod anyways? 02:28 < Potato> and tetris lol 02:29 < Potato> no 02:29 < gonffen> there's some game anyway lol 02:29 < Potato> lol 02:29 < chungy> there's a Breakout clone 02:29 < courtc> thats brick.. :p 02:29 < BleuLlama> breakout. which is basically the eqivalent of 1 player pong 02:29 < chungy> Brick, I think it's called 02:29 < Potato> ah yeah 02:29 < coob> ahah 02:30 * coob remembers aline from Bloodsport 02:30 < coob> 'Verrrry nice. But brick not hit back!' 02:30 < coob> van damme > * 02:30 < Potato> wow 02:30 < Potato> i fucked something up 02:30 < coob> http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/lib/gray_core.c?rev=1.1&view=auto 02:30 < coob> there's yah important bits courtc :D 02:31 < courtc> kinda, I'm halfway through with that.. 02:31 < Wammy> veteran 02:31 < Potato> ummm 02:31 < Potato> crap 02:31 < courtc> Wammy 02:31 < Potato> how do i restart my ipod on the bootdown screen? 02:31 < Wammy> heya courtc 02:32 < courtc> hi 02:32 < Potato> someone help lol 02:32 < Wammy> whats up? 02:32 < Potato> i screwed up the ipod 02:32 < Potato> i installed linux 02:33 < Potato> and 02:33 < Potato> i "exited podzilla" 02:33 < Potato> and i hit a button 02:33 < BleuLlama> read. the. docs. 02:33 < gonffen> he can't reboot 02:33 < Potato> and now its not booting down 02:33 < Potato> yeah 02:33 < Potato> i cant reboot 02:33 < Wammy> lol 02:33 < Wammy> courtc how lond has veteran not talked? 02:33 < joecool> not long enough? 02:34 < courtc> less than a hour 02:34 < joecool> nah, j/k :P 02:34 < Wammy> k 02:34 < courtc> Potato- R T F W 02:35 < Potato> ok 02:35 < Potato> so what do i press 02:35 < Potato> i know its right 02:35 < Potato> then 02:35 < Potato> umm 02:35 < Potato> heh 02:35 < BleuLlama> what the crap? read the wiki 02:35 < Potato> bah 02:36 < joecool> lol 02:36 < joecool> mmm taters, mmhmmm 02:36 < Potato> lol 02:37 < Potato> nice got it 02:37 < Potato> wow that takes much longer to load up 02:38 < coob> Potato: please don't fill up the channel with brainfart 02:38 < coob> The Microwindows Project renamed to The Nano-X Window System 02:38 < coob> January 30, 2005 02:38 < coob> The project has been renamed to The Nano-X Window System, due to conflicts with the Windows trademark registered by Microsoft. Although the web site has not been updated for some time, updates are in the works. The CVS source release will be packaged and released as v0.91 shortly. Quite a few enhancements and patches 02:38 < coob> have been received, which will be released as v0.92. 02:38 < coob> holy fuck it actually got updated. 02:38 < joecool> coob: umm.. who's talking now? 02:39 < courtc> omfg 02:40 < courtc> link link 02:40 < courtc> Link! 02:40 < BleuLlama> Zelda! 02:41 < Potato> gandalf! 02:41 < Potato> i win 02:41 < Potato> oh 02:41 < Potato> hahaha 02:41 < courtc> I will slaughter you, give me a link! 02:41 < Potato> i ment 02:41 < Potato> ganandorg 02:41 < Potato> *ganandorf 02:41 < joecool> http://www.microwindows.org/!!!! 02:41 < joecool> pfft 02:41 < courtc> oh, fucking cache 02:42 < joecool> kill it, kill it! 02:42 < josh_> 404 Not Found - The requested URL /!!!! was not found on this server. 02:42 * joecool picks up a lead pipe and hits josh_ with it 02:42 < courtc> funny, cause link always wins btw.. 02:42 < josh_> joecool: no, I wasn't being dim, that was a joke :-) 02:43 < joecool> ... 02:43 < joecool> you killed it.. it could kept going 02:43 < joecool> :( 02:44 < coob> courtc: microwindows homepage 02:44 < coob> http://microwindows.org 02:44 < coob> [02:38] joecool | coob: umm.. who's talking now? 02:45 < coob> what i said was actually useful. 02:45 < courtc> yea, it was in my cache.. it took a few refreshes :/ 02:45 < coob> shift-refresh :D 02:45 < coob> hmmm 02:45 < coob> even 4 bit looks a helluva lot better than 2 bit 02:46 < coob> i'd be impressed even if yah got that far :D 02:46 < coob> i'm doing some mock ups atm to show the difference for video 02:47 < BleuLlama> you'd be surprised though, if you have motion, you can make up for low color res and low pixel res. 02:47 < BleuLlama> especially with the refresh rate on the pod. 02:47 < coob> what's the refresh rate 02:47 < BleuLlama> well, just change menus or play the games, it blurs like mad. 02:47 -!- fishhead [~testrun@c-24-3-15-166.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:48 < fishhead> hey 02:48 < BleuLlama> the lcd itself is a really slow device 02:48 < coob> true 02:48 < fishhead> anyone here who also happen to do uclinux m68k hacking ? 02:48 < BleuLlama> regardless of how fast you push pixels to it 02:48 < coob> maybe blurry is a good thing :D 02:48 < joecool> its not ative matrix.. so it will always blur 02:48 < BleuLlama> exactly my point. :) 02:48 < joecool> *active 02:48 < courtc> yea, but it'd work for still shots.. 02:49 < BleuLlama> usually, you can make up for low res with high colors, but we have low res, low color, but we also have nice blurring which will help for movie files 02:49 < courtc> I'm thinking image viewer 02:50 < BleuLlama> a combo of using all 4 colors with a halftoning/dithering will make the images in the viewer look good enough... 02:50 * fishhead bites the channel 02:51 < courtc> but more colors would be better.. :) 02:51 < courtc> the dithering isnt too good :/ 02:51 < coob> yeah 02:51 < coob> is the dithering done by microwindows? 02:51 < courtc> yea, currently 02:52 < fishhead> no it's done by coob's mom 02:52 < fishhead> she can dither like no other 02:52 < coob> better than your dad can. 02:52 < BleuLlama> ZING! 02:53 < BleuLlama> that was pathetic. heh 02:53 < courtc> hahaha 02:53 < fishhead> yeah well I just wanted to see if anyone paid attention 02:53 < fishhead> so any former m68k hackers here ? 02:53 < fishhead> or know of a generic uclinux channel 02:53 < courtc> uclibc 02:53 < courtc> # 02:54 < joecool> don't listen to him... its a trap! 02:54 < joecool> aww, i'm off 02:54 < joecool> zzz 02:54 -!- joecool [~joecool@joecool.no-sources] has left #ipodlinux ["CAT"] 02:56 < coob> http://booc.coob.org/2bit4bit8bit.bmp 02:56 < coob> (~800k) 02:56 < coob> shows the difference on stills 02:57 < coob> hmm 02:57 < coob> microwindows has smpeg support 02:57 * coob dreams up evil thigns 02:57 < courtc> 4 and 8 are da same yo.. 02:58 < BleuLlama> nah. there's graniness in 4 02:58 < courtc> yes, but little.. 02:59 < BleuLlama> i bet though that if you were to adjust the contrasting in 2bit, and had some smart encoding (RLE) you can eliminate most of the dotting... 02:59 < courtc> rather than dumb encoding 02:59 < BleuLlama> (granted, colors(heh) would be off, but it would compress down REALLY far) (if you were to encode the video for the platform rather than playing back existing files) 03:00 < BleuLlama> 8bit is 256 grayscales, 4 bit is 16, right? 03:00 < coob> yeah 03:00 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:00 < coob> bigger difference bwteen 2->4 than 4->8 bit imo 03:00 < courtc> 16 is plenty... 03:00 < BleuLlama> well, sure. 03:00 -!- fishhead [~testrun@c-24-3-15-166.client.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:01 < mike8901> is it hard to get into useful c programming? 03:01 < BleuLlama> but we don't have 16. :( 03:01 < mike8901> i have dablled in c 03:01 < mike8901> and have to program a robot (pic microcontroller) in c 03:01 < BleuLlama> i've been coding in c since 1992 03:01 < mike8901> is it actually useful 03:01 < mike8901> ;p 03:01 < coob> of ocurse. 03:01 < coob> course* 03:01 < mike8901> like can you code a useful app fairly easily? 03:01 < BleuLlama> me? yes. 03:01 < courtc> whats useful? 03:02 < coob> there's no simple answer to that 03:02 < courtc> like poddraw? 03:02 < courtc> ;D 03:02 < BleuLlama> i have written many useful apps. 03:02 < courtc> uh huh ;) 03:02 < BleuLlama> anyway... if you were to re-encode video to be 2 bitplane, ipod res, and like 15fps, you could fit OODLES of video on the pod 03:03 < BleuLlama> courtc: are you challenging me? ;) 03:03 < courtc> coding dual, here and now! 03:03 < courtc> #include 03:03 < BleuLlama> duel. and i meant based on past work. ;) 03:03 < coob> duel maybe? 03:03 < BleuLlama> ;) 03:03 < courtc> no, cause you're too old.. 03:04 < courtc> haha 03:04 < BleuLlama> you little whippersnappers! 03:05 -!- zsk09 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit ["ttyl"] 03:05 < courtc> and here we are talking about the stuff we kick noobs for.. movies on the ipod.. sheesh 03:06 < BleuLlama> but we're discussing the possibility and processing of it... not just "D00D! CAN I PLAY M0VIES ON MY iPOD PHOTO!???!" 03:06 < BleuLlama> although, i will stfu if you like... 03:07 < coob> 4.8k a frame 03:07 < coob> if it's 2 bit 03:07 < courtc> naw, its just funny.. I've never actually contemplated the possibility 03:07 < coob> 9.6 03:07 < coob> if it's 4 bit 03:08 < BleuLlama> coob: uncompressed... layer a mpeg/jpeg like blocking over that and/or some RLE compression and/or some frame-diffs, rather than storing each individual frame, and that storage space drops quite a bit. :) 03:08 < coob> 240k/second 03:08 < coob> yeah 03:08 < coob> how proc intensive would that be 03:09 < coob> considering the ipod owuld be playing back mp3 info at the same time. 03:09 < coob> s/info/audio/ 03:09 < BleuLlama> not too bad. it's pretty small frames, and you're not doing the usual YUV/YIC-RGB conversions that color films would have... so it wouldn't be too bad 03:10 < BleuLlama> it would be pounding on the disk though... 03:10 < coob> eh buffering and it wouldn't be so bad 03:10 < BleuLlama> hmm. good point 03:10 < BleuLlama> i think decoding audio is more intensive than this would be... 03:11 < courtc> 30mb of that stuff, whadda call it.. ram 03:11 < coob> yeh 03:11 < BleuLlama> decode audio on the COP, this on the CPU... it would be fine.. (as long as you could synchronize them) 03:11 < mike8901> wouldnt the best way to create a decoder, be to reverse engiener apples firmware 03:11 < mike8901> cause... theirs is stable 03:11 < Potato> why does ipodlinux make my music skip? 03:11 < mike8901> dont take any code out, but apply the practaces 03:11 < coob> Potato: read THE FUCKING wiki 03:11 < Potato> coob 03:11 < Potato> i did 03:11 < coob> then you are blind. 03:11 < courtc> Potato- read it again 03:12 < mike8901> Potato: please read it as many times as nessisary for all of our sakes 03:12 < veteran> print it out 03:12 < courtc> mike8901- we just need to redo the decoder to work on the cop.. 03:12 < Potato> lol 03:12 < coob> mike8901: eh that'd be pretty difficult 03:12 < coob> to extract apple's decoder 03:12 < coob> and tie it in under linux 03:13 < coob> Potato: http://ipodlinux.org/FAQ#Is_there_an_MP3_player.3F 03:13 -!- haunted_i [~haunted_i@64-219-238-25.ded.swbell.net] has quit ["Apple users are like Marines; a small, elite group with the most sophisticated technology"] 03:13 < coob> also stuck up their own asses. 03:14 * coob is an Apple user :) 03:14 < mike8901> coob: yeah, perhaps some l33t asm coder could :D 03:14 < coob> mike8901: too much work. 03:14 < BleuLlama> not worth it, mike. 03:14 < coob> especially when there's little chance it'd even work 03:14 < mike8901> yeah, but maybe there's a special chip in the ipod that we do not understand completly 03:14 < mike8901> that does all the decoding 03:14 < mike8901> just an idea 03:14 < coob> there isn't 03:15 < courtc> yep yep cop + decent optimizations == better than apple 03:15 < BleuLlama> yeah. there's a mystical little chip that is inhabited by druids. 03:15 < mike8901> coob: not to be arrogant, but have you looked at the scematics for the ipod? 03:15 < coob> yes. 03:15 < courtc> druids 03:15 < mike8901> coob: and how did you get a hold of these schematics? 03:15 < BleuLlama> mike: have you looked at the board? all of the chips on there are documented... 03:15 < coob> i stole them form the pixies. 03:15 < mike8901> bleullama: MOST 03:15 < coob> i just looked at the board 03:16 < BleuLlama> okay, so some logic chips aren't on the list. bfd. 03:16 < coob> mike8901: there is no 'special chip', unless you have evidence to back your claim up 03:16 < mike8901> i really dont mean to be arrogant 03:16 < mike8901> im just trying to figure out 03:16 < mike8901> why is apples code so much better 03:16 < mike8901> this project has been going on for at least a few years 03:16 < coob> because they paid for it. 03:16 < mike8901> and apple created the code in 6months 03:16 < courtc> they are utilizing the cop for fucks sake 03:16 < mike8901> or less 03:16 < coob> and they can unlock the full potential of the hardware 03:16 < mike8901> coob: WHY can they unlock the full potential? 03:17 < BleuLlama> because they have 2 cpus, dozens of engineers experienced for many years with the hardware... we have 1 cpu (for now) and hackers. 03:17 < coob> because they have the fdk/sdk from portalplayer 03:17 < coob> and a license 03:17 < courtc> cop cop cop cop cop cop cop cop cop cop 03:17 < mike8901> portalplayer? 03:17 < BleuLlama> we have to reverse engineer everything we can find. they have docs from the chip manufacturers 03:17 < BleuLlama> big fucking difference, mike 03:18 < courtc> omg.. you dont know what pp is? no more speculation.. 03:18 < coob> mike8901: you are comparing work done by hobbyists in their spare time for free, with no access to vital hardware info, to paid apple engineers with access to that vital hw info, enabling them to use the COP, who are dedicated to their job 03:18 < BleuLlama> and more of them that are better organized, working on it 60+ hours a week for many months. 03:19 < coob> mike8901: maybe you should read the basic info on the wiki about the hardware before implying that the ipl dev team should be as good as apple's team without the hookups an pple team would have. 03:19 < courtc> and none use irc ;) 03:19 < BleuLlama> (not meaning to sleight our team, but a team of hobbiests != full time employees) 03:20 < mike8901> BLueLlama: hmm.... 03:20 * mike8901 compares windows to linux 03:20 < courtc> *sigh.. 03:20 * BleuLlama compares eggs to bookshelves 03:20 < BleuLlama> wtf? 03:20 < mike8901> linux was created by hobbist's was it not? 03:21 < courtc> booksheves win.. 03:21 < BleuLlama> mike... 03:21 < BleuLlama> comapre windows 95 with linux in 95 03:21 < coob> mike8901: on an open platform, over many years. 03:21 < BleuLlama> BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE 03:21 -!- mike8901 [mike8901@ool-4356f52f.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:21 < coob> wow 03:21 < coob> somoene needs to find the cluetrain. 03:22 < courtc> soo movies 03:22 < BleuLlama> he was clue resistant 03:22 < coob> BleuLlama: cluestick STAT! 03:22 < BleuLlama> 50CCs of clue! 03:23 < coob> it won't go in! his skin is thicker than an elephants! 03:23 < coob> yeah anyway movies 03:23 < coob> courtc if you got that greyscale hack working that'd rock :D 03:23 < coob> even just for static images 03:24 < courtc> yea, I'm not sure all that it involves.. 03:24 < BleuLlama> you know what 03:25 < BleuLlama> don't waste thinking on the movie thing. let others deal with it.. 03:25 < coob> eh nah now i'm enthused 03:25 < courtc> Whadda we talk about then ? ;) 03:26 < BleuLlama> um. 03:26 < BleuLlama> i like cheese. 03:26 < courtc> dammit.. soo grayscale.. BleuLlama get to work 03:26 < BleuLlama> OK! 03:26 < BleuLlama> gimme 23 minutes. 03:27 < coob> you've got 10! 03:27 < BleuLlama> give me 12 03:28 < courtc> more? 03:28 < courtc> you better hurry.. I'm counting.. 03:29 < courtc> seriously though.. Seem a little too complicated for the moment, unless someone else wants to do it.. ;) 03:29 < BleuLlama> i'm doing it. i'm doing it. 03:29 < BleuLlama> geez 03:30 < coob> yeah i have no idea how the lcd works 03:30 < courtc> BleuLlama- I'd love to believe you ;) 03:31 < BleuLlama> heh 03:34 -!- Bieh [user121@202.49.165.22] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]"] 03:34 * BleuLlama replaces a Turtle Beach Montego PCI with a Sound Blaster 16 ISA in his PC. whee 03:36 < courtc> uh, thats not grayscale work! 03:36 < BleuLlama> okay. almost done 03:37 < courtc> I tried some pci hotplugging on accident the other day.. 03:37 -!- nusse_ [nusse@pD95245AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:37 < courtc> that was fun.. 03:38 < BleuLlama> oops 03:39 < courtc> yea, my soundcard came out.. so i tried putting it back in.. My computer didt crash.. but it was slow as hell.. 03:41 < courtc> BleuLlama- make sure to commit it with rm -rf / 03:42 < coob> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda 03:43 -!- Grunt is now known as GruntWillBBL 03:43 < courtc> nono use /dev/zero , it'll go out to everyone 03:43 -!- nusse [nusse@pD95245AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:45 < BleuLlama> OK 03:47 -!- GruntWillBBL is now known as Grunt 03:52 -!- Potato [Potato@pool-138-88-40-117.res.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:52 < nonesuch> what do you think it would take for a pc to "recognize" the ipod running linux in same way it recognizes it when running the apple firmware? 03:53 < courtc> to load the disk mode into fastram and execute it 03:57 < nonesuch> how would you detect when the physical connection is made so you know when to execute the disk mode code? 03:58 < BleuLlama> okay. i tried that cvs command, but it didn't work, and my files seem to be missing. 03:58 < courtc> that would need to be detected by the kernel first... the problem is determining whether its a computer or a power socket that its plugged into.. 03:58 < BleuLlama> i'm going to try the unix undelete command... that's "kill", right? 03:58 < BleuLlama> brbr 03:59 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:00 < nonesuch> undelete? 04:00 < nonesuch> i've never heard of that. 04:00 < nonesuch> kill sends interrupts 04:00 < courtc> its kill 04:00 < courtc> kill -9 sends SIGUNDELETE 04:01 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 04:01 < BleuLlama> :) 04:01 < nonesuch> kill -l shows SIGKILL for -9 04:02 < courtc> nono SIGUNDELETE I promise 04:02 < courtc> kill -9 1 04:03 -!- Sliversto [~thebass@adsl-69-109-217-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:03 < Sliversto> hello 04:03 < nonesuch> ? why would killing pid 1 undelete? 04:03 < Sliversto> I have gotten ahold of a program that reads linux files 04:03 < Sliversto> but I can't find these files! 04:04 < Sliversto> are they invisible besides unreadable? 04:04 < courtc> it tell the init to undelete the files that its child deleted 04:05 -!- limb0 [limb0@CPE-60-225-28-212.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 04:05 < Sliversto> and somehow i have a 31MB partion on my ipod that is completely empty... 04:05 < courtc> lies 04:05 < Sliversto> what's lies? 04:05 -!- Squee [Squee@66.227.212.33.tvc.mi.chartermi.net] has quit [] 04:05 < nonesuch> ah. interesting. i didn't know that. 04:06 -!- nilss [nils@pD95D3B45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:06 -!- nilss_ [nils@pD9E3DCE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:06 -!- nilss_ is now known as nilss 04:06 < nonesuch> so back to plugging in the ipod: there's some module for the socket, right? which is it? 04:06 -!- Spline32 [~SplinterF@dhcp024-208-229-160.twmi.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:07 < nonesuch> and wouldn't that driver register that something's been plugged in? 04:08 -!- nusse [nusse@pD95245AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:08 -!- nusse [nusse@pD95245AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:08 < courtc> perhaps I am sarcastic too often.. people dont listen to things that i say :/ 04:08 < courtc> nilss 04:08 < courtc> you rock 04:09 < Sliversto> hey, why exactly does a 15gb ipod have 13.9gb of space? 04:09 < Spline32> calculations 04:09 < Spline32> PC's work on powers of 2 04:10 < nonesuch> courtc: was that directed at me? 04:11 < courtc> apple thinks that 15x1000x1000x1000b is 15 gigs 04:11 < courtc> when in al practicality its 15x1024x1024x1024b 04:12 < Sliversto> oh 04:12 < Sliversto> so it is really a 13.9gb 04:12 < Sliversto> or is windows reading it wrong? 04:13 < courtc> its really 13.9gb 04:13 < Sliversto> wow that stinks 04:13 < Spline32> right, its a marketing ploy 04:13 < Sliversto> why do I have a 31mb empty partion? 04:13 < Sliversto> on my ipod? 04:13 < Spline32> hard drive manufacturers have been doing it forever 04:13 < Sliversto> yeah, true 04:13 -!- Grunt is now known as GruntWillBBL 04:13 < macPod> courtc actually apple specifie dthe 1024 04:14 < macPod> but were overwelmed by hd manufacturers and the pc world so the bent in 04:14 < courtc> yes, but they market 1000 04:14 < macPod> as doe everyone else 04:14 < Sliversto> well, though apple may have specified it as 1024 it is 1024 04:14 < Sliversto> btw 04:15 < Sliversto> can you guys see the files for linux on your pods? 04:15 < Sliversto> where are they? 04:15 < Sliversto> and what extention? 04:15 < Spline32> in windows? 04:15 < nonesuch> cheer up. it's actually ~ 13.97 04:16 < BleuLlama> that's pretty standard with hard drives. 04:16 < Spline32> Im not very familiar with the version of linux that the ipod team is using 04:16 < Spline32> but I imagiine it is using the ext3 file sytem 04:16 < josh_> I believe it's uClinux 04:16 < Spline32> which windows cannot read 04:16 < josh_> on umsdos or hfs+, tho definitely not sure 04:16 < josh_> if it's umsdos, easy. hfs+, really hard. 04:17 < courtc> ext3 and hfs+ 04:17 < Spline32> neither of which windows reads (AFAIK) 04:17 < josh_> ext3 is readable w/explore2fs (hint: it's not on the same partition as your music). 04:17 < josh_> as long as it was cleanly unmounted 04:17 < josh_> hfs+ is readable with Knoppix :-) 04:18 < courtc> I remember when ipodlinux used umsdos (ugh) 04:19 < Spline32> I cant bare the wait for the 4g, so Ibe begun looking for a cheap 3g to pick up 04:19 < Sliversto> but I can only see two partions! 04:19 < Sliversto> one is empty, too 04:19 < nonesuch> really? what are you dying to do with linux on your ipod? 04:19 < nonesuch> and it's bear, not bare, dude. 04:20 < Spline32> I probably want it for the same reason I have a binary clock... and my apologies for my english, I didn't know I was supposed to spell check... 04:20 < courtc> yo macPod, check that feature thang.. make sure nothing is missing.. if you could.. 04:21 < Sliversto> well, I wanted to enable remote control use 04:21 < nonesuch> spell check wouldn't help. bare is a word. 04:21 < macPod> I dont see a drum machine lsited ;P 04:21 < Sliversto> and later once I know more 04:21 < Sliversto> I want to be able to add the various programs and stuff ppl are working on 04:22 < nonesuch> what do you mean remote control use? 04:22 < nonesuch> for your tv? or just for the ipod? 04:22 < Sliversto> the wired one 04:23 -!- Sliversto [~thebass@adsl-69-109-217-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:24 < nonesuch> what's the wired remote? (i'm new to the ipod.) 04:25 < BleuLlama> you plug it into the top of the ipod and plug your headphones into it? 04:25 < Spline32> so goes the theory 04:25 < BleuLlama> it has buttons. you press buttons music changes 04:25 < BleuLlama> er 04:25 < nonesuch> why do you need linux for that? i see it on the apple store website 04:25 < BleuLlama> it has buttons. you press buttons. music changes. 04:26 < BleuLlama> i give up 04:26 < Spline32> You were perfectly clear 04:27 < macPod> Access to switch on / off random play for the playlist in the 'now playing' window 04:27 < macPod> shuffle mode option ? 04:27 < nonesuch> well, the reason i ask that BleuLlama, is because i thought Sliversto was saying he wanted linux so that he could use the remote. 04:27 < nonesuch> was I wrong Sliversto? 04:27 < Spline32> he left 04:27 < nonesuch> oh. 04:28 -!- [Jeff] [~jeff@24-25-208-194.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:28 < courtc> macPod- its up to you.. 04:28 < nonesuch> so do you guys all pretty much agree. you just wanted linux on the ipod for the hell of it? 04:29 < Spline32> Well, that's actually pretty much why I wanted an iPod in the first place, for the hell of it? 04:29 < Spline32> errr 04:29 < Spline32> scratch that question mark 04:29 -!- sleepless [~sleepy@65.124.109.138] has joined #ipodlinux 04:29 < nonesuch> ok, fair enough. 04:30 < BleuLlama> i want ipod linux to play tempest (vortex) and to play .mod and .sid music files 04:30 < Spline32> and ogg 04:30 < Spline32> and pong!!! 04:30 < BleuLlama> not me. i couldn't care less about ogg, personally 04:30 < nonesuch> can't you convert those file types though? 04:30 < macPod> courtc: get tired of doing it ? :) 04:30 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas@219-88-55-155.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 04:31 < BleuLlama> sure, i could convert a 15kb .sid to be a 6mb AAC or mp3, but that seems stupid 04:31 < BleuLlama> especially when i want to have a lot of .sid and .mod files 04:31 < courtc> kinda.. that and I wanna leave some stuff off of it, but I dont wanna get blamed for it.. 04:31 < nonesuch> what are these file formats? audio formats with better compression? 04:31 < nonesuch> sid and mod, that is. 04:31 < Spline32> nonesuch, you can convert file types, such as MP3 and OGG, but you loose sound quality as well 04:32 < courtc> haha, I guess you could say they have better compression 04:32 < BleuLlama> .sid are commodore 64 music files, and .mod started out as amiga music files, but they became popular (with extensions) up through the Gravis ultrasound cards on PCs 04:32 < nonesuch> oh geez. 04:32 < BleuLlama> for computer generated music, not reproduction of analog music 04:33 < nonesuch> umm, ok. 04:33 < BleuLlama> .mod are like .midi, but they include wave files... basically 04:33 < Jonas_NZ> hey all 04:33 < Spline32> hi 04:33 < macPod> I think I'll keep it as is 04:33 < nonesuch> ok, i see why converting to mp3 would lead to expansion. 04:33 < macPod> the formats should be added 04:33 -!- GruntWillBBL is now known as Grunt 04:33 < macPod> but possibly at a later point 04:33 -!- CompotatoJ [~jeff@24-25-221-211.san.rr.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:34 < nonesuch> pong does not work yet. correct? 04:34 < courtc> yea, after decoding gets removed from podzilla ;) 04:35 < courtc> nonesuch- wrong 04:35 < Spline32> yay pong 04:35 < BleuLlama> pong works great 04:35 < nonesuch> ok. i thought i saw something about mame support lacking. it's native compiled then? 04:36 < BleuLlama> mame? 04:36 < courtc> made from scratch.. 04:36 < BleuLlama> are you reading the right website? 04:36 < nonesuch> ha! i think so. 04:36 < nonesuch> courtc: someone wrote it specifically for the ipod? 04:36 < courtc> yes.. 04:37 < nonesuch> ha. that's cool. 04:37 < Spline32> courtc: will the 4g's be able to file transfer ever? I am aware this would require the "creation" of cables, but still... 04:37 < courtc> nonesuch- I know, isnt it? guess who wrote it? ;) 04:37 < BleuLlama> courtc: look into your crystal ball 04:38 < Spline32> errr, I just wanted to know if it is possible 04:38 < courtc> I prefer tea leaves 04:38 < Spline32> I should have been more specific 04:38 < Spline32> is it even possible? 04:38 < nonesuch> spline32: what do you mean by the creation of cables? 04:38 < BleuLlama> serial link. sure. 04:38 < Spline32> well, since the new ipods dont use standard firewire cables, but rather have that ipod dock tip (whatever its called) 04:39 < Spline32> you would have to make a cable that has both ends like that 04:39 < Spline32> because as far as I know, they don't make them 04:39 < Spline32> (they = apple) 04:39 < nonesuch> oh really? but they do have a serial port. 04:40 < BleuLlama> nah, just get a dock cable, and a pocket dock, or a firewire hub. you still need to put firewire host support and file transfer support on it though 04:40 < courtc> '"creation" of cables' 04:41 < courtc> baRang 04:41 < nonesuch> woah. what's are these: dock cable and pocket dock? 04:41 < nonesuch> what, i meant. 04:42 < courtc> macPod- "Random Play" vs "Music Shuffle" ? 04:42 < BleuLlama> dock cable came with your 3g or 4g ipod. pocket dock is the SendStation product 04:43 < Spline32> the dock cables are (as goes my understanding) just Firewire or USB 2.0 cables that have been modified to have a different tip at the iPod end of things 04:43 < BleuLlama> it's a little more than that, but yes (there's a resistor inside the dock connector to tell the ipod that there is a dock of some kind there. 04:44 * bLeW_ is back (gone 12:53:49) 04:44 -!- sleepless [~sleepy@65.124.109.138] has quit ["generic quit message"] 04:44 < nonesuch> odd. you don't need a resister with usb to detect connection. i wonder why they did that. 04:44 < BleuLlama> so that the ipod knows it's there. 04:44 < BleuLlama> it's not a usb thing or a firewire thing, it's an ipod thing. 04:45 < BleuLlama> in the very least, the tabletop dock has that in it. that's how it knows to make the little noise when you drop it onto the dock 04:45 < BleuLlama> it was my understanding that the cable dock has that too, but i could be wrong on that. 04:46 < BleuLlama> the sendstation pocket docks don't have it... they're just straight through wiring 04:46 < BleuLlama> (i have both sendstation pocket docks, disassembled one of them) 04:46 < nonesuch> and the pocket dock had a resister sitting on the port? 04:47 < nonesuch> oops. 04:47 < nonesuch> i mean how do you know the cable dock and tabletop dock has a resister? 04:47 < nonesuch> or some other strange modification? 04:48 < BleuLlama> it's not a modification. it's design. 04:48 < BleuLlama> have you opened yours up? 04:48 < nonesuch> no. 04:48 < BleuLlama> then you'll just have to trust me on that 04:48 < nonesuch> mmmkay. 04:49 < BleuLlama> that's how the ipod knows that there is something there. that's how the ipod knows that a battery pack is attached, and not a power supply, so it knows not to kick in the charging circuit.... it's the design of their dock port 04:49 -!- Friskaddict_ [~Dyon@flits101-152.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 04:49 -!- bLeW_ [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162191097.nl.aliant.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:50 < nonesuch> well, i was just thinking it odd because it seems you can do all that with a standard usb port. 04:51 < nonesuch> so i'm wondering why they did something different. 04:51 < BleuLlama> because not every device you plug into it, you want to be a usb device... 04:51 < BleuLlama> and by default the ipod is a usb device, not a usb host 04:51 < Spline32> because its their slogan... think different:-P 04:51 < BleuLlama> no, to save money 04:52 < BleuLlama> would you rather a battery pack cost $50 or $90? 04:52 -!- eelriverlt [~murph@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:52 < nonesuch> devices can switch between host and not host 04:52 < nonesuch> using usb would have added $40? 04:53 < BleuLlama> but if they don't have to write that section of firmware, why bother, when you can just havce a simple A-D converter and require a resistor. why require all extra devices to enumerate as USB devices, when a simple serial protocol or a resistor is enough to accomplish the task 04:53 < BleuLlama> it could, end prices? sure. a $0.05 part added in, plus development costs might increase the cost that much. 04:53 < BleuLlama> especially the development cost 04:54 < BleuLlama> apple wanted to make it VERY EASY and CHEAP for companies like Belkin to make add-on products 04:54 < BleuLlama> the more add-on prodcuts there are, the more ipods they have a chance of selling 04:56 < BleuLlama> and 3rd party compaines will be more willing to make products if there's less development time involved for them. 04:56 < nonesuch> did apple open up their interface protocols? 04:56 -!- [Jeff] [~jeff@24-25-208-194.san.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:00 -!- Benjmon [~ben@63-226-92-145.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:01 < Benjmon> Hello 05:02 -!- Benjmon [~ben@63-226-92-145.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:04 -!- Friskaddict [Dyon@flits101-152.flits.rug.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:05 -!- Friskaddict [Dyon@flits101-152.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 05:06 -!- Echrei [~Echrei@c-24-20-231-214.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:06 < Echrei> hi 05:06 < courtc> SHIFT TO THE LEFT! SHIFT TO THE RIGHT! POP UP, PUSH DOWN, BYTE, BYTE, BYTE! 05:06 -!- [CLM]carote [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 05:07 < nonesuch> hi Benjmon and Echrei 05:07 < Echrei> I'm getting a permission denied error when podzilla tries to start on my iPod 05:07 < Jonas_NZ> vet, davidc__ , any of you here? 05:07 -!- [CLM]carote is now known as carote 05:07 -!- carote [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ipodlinux [] 05:07 < Echrei> then it says init: /bin/podzilla respawning too fast 05:07 -!- carote [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 05:07 < courtc> Echrei- chmod +x /mnt/ipod/bin/podzilla 05:07 < Jonas_NZ> greats no ops 05:08 < Jonas_NZ> are here 05:08 < courtc> no unbanning for you 05:08 < Jonas_NZ> yeah i know 05:08 < Echrei> courtc, where should I type that? 05:08 < Jonas_NZ> luke made that pretty clear 05:08 < courtc> uhh, Echrei, you're on linux, correct? 05:09 < Echrei> no, my ipod is 05:09 < courtc> oh boy.. 05:09 < Echrei> I'm using Mac OS X 05:09 < courtc> oh, thats not too bad.. 05:09 < Echrei> The podzilla executable has permissions set to read & write for all 05:10 < courtc> I dont believe you... ;) 05:10 < Echrei> ... 05:10 -!- Grunt [~grunt@grunt.wikipedia] has quit ["bbl"] 05:10 < Echrei> I did an iPodLinux fresh install 05:11 < BleuLlama> it should have execute too, ech. 05:11 < courtc> haha, make the podzilla binary executable 05:11 < courtc> d'oh 05:11 < Echrei> it just repeats: nit: /bin/podzilla respawning too fast 05:11 -!- rafl_ [~florian@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1757] has joined #ipodlinux 05:11 -!- rafl [~florian@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1757] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:12 < Echrei> It should work by just installing iPod-Linux Installer 0.3 right? 05:13 < Echrei> iPod reads out: 05:13 < Echrei> execution finished. 05:13 < Echrei> exiting 05:13 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:13 < Echrei> init: /bin/podzilla respawning too fast 05:13 < Echrei> (that's with a clean install) 05:14 < Echrei> anybody have this problem? 05:16 < macPod> how did you install it? 05:16 < macPod> ah 05:16 < macPod> did yuo click the update button? 05:16 < macPod> in the installer? 05:16 -!- Echrei [~Echrei@c-24-20-231-214.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:17 < courtc> haha 05:17 -!- Echrei [~Echrei@c-24-20-231-214.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:17 * Echrei wonders if the stuff got posted 05:17 < macPod> Echrei did you click the update button before you installed?\ 05:17 < Echrei> yep 05:17 < Echrei> it updated Podzilla 05:18 < macPod> damnit 05:18 < macPod> ok.. lemme fix that 05:18 < macPod> it's a permissions problem 05:18 < Echrei> yeah 05:18 < Echrei> would chmod +x /bin/podzilla in the rc file do anything? 05:19 < macPod> cd to your sbin 05:19 < macPod> and do chmod 755 podzilla 05:19 < macPod> then it shoudl work 05:19 < courtc> macPod- does it use download/beta/podzilla ? 05:19 < macPod> ye 05:20 < macPod> I updated ti earlier 05:20 -!- Friskaddict_ [~Dyon@flits101-152.flits.rug.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:20 < macPod> but I guess I did nto chmod it before I targzed it 05:20 < Echrei> thanks macPod, I'll try 05:21 < Echrei> Wee! 05:21 * Echrei hugs macPod 05:21 < Echrei> Thanks! 05:21 < macPod> works? 05:22 < courtc> BleuLlama it should have execute too, ech. 05:22 < courtc> courtc haha, make the podzilla binary executable 05:22 < Echrei> yep, worked 05:22 < courtc> *sigh.. 05:22 < macPod> behold the power of 755 05:22 < courtc> +x is cooler 05:22 < Echrei> That would be a good t-shirt 05:23 < macPod> but 755 makes me feel like I am racing a fast car 05:23 < Echrei> so, if I put a JPEG on my iPod and used filebrowser, it should open it? 05:23 < macPod> yea 05:23 < macPod> you can zoom, pan and stuff with tis verison 05:23 < courtc> as long as you dont know what exif is 05:23 < Echrei> indeed this is much 1337 05:24 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-67-77-2-251.sta.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:26 < macPod> ok prob fixed 05:26 < BleuLlama> huzzah! 05:27 < BleuLlama> heya macpod. 05:27 < BleuLlama> how beist thou? 05:27 < macPod> ? 05:27 < macPod> beist busy 05:27 < BleuLlama> aye. verily. 05:27 < macPod> oy 05:29 < Echrei> Thanks macPod, see you guys 05:29 -!- Echrei [~Echrei@c-24-20-231-214.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:32 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas@219-88-55-155.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:35 -!- Dr_Unvisible [~stefan@dynamic-216-211-51-88.tbaytel.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:35 -!- nonesuch [user@dhcp-43-47.EECS.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [] 05:35 -!- Dr_Unvisible [~stefan@dynamic-216-211-51-88.tbaytel.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:36 -!- nusse_ [nusse@pD9524937.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:37 -!- bLeW [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162191097.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:48 < veteran> http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html 05:48 < veteran> i love that article 05:49 -!- nusse [nusse@pD95245AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:57 -!- jessem [~jessem@jessem.dsl.pdx.spiretech.com] has joined #iPodLinux 06:04 -!- josh_ [~josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:18 -!- pojiku [pojiku@c220-237-32-224.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 06:23 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-67-77-2-251.sta.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:23 -!- jessem [~jessem@jessem.dsl.pdx.spiretech.com] has left #iPodLinux ["Leaving"] 06:27 -!- jfontan [~jfontan@pc3d.cesga.es] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:29 -!- tucanoj [~tucanoj@108.120.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ipodlinux 06:35 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas@210-55-34-33.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 06:45 -!- EvilDude [pvaranas@CPE-144-133-102-98.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 06:45 < EvilDude> hey anyone alive? 06:45 < courtc> yes 06:45 < EvilDude> courtc! :D lol 06:46 < Jonas_NZ> im not alive 06:46 < pojiku> does anyone have the compiled 4G bootloader from http://ipodlinux.org/4g_hacking for windows they can send? I am aware it does not give 4G compatability if you take this annoys you:P 06:46 < pojiku> *if this annoys you 06:47 < Jonas_NZ> yeah, i do 06:47 < Jonas_NZ> but you cant install it from windows 06:47 < Jonas_NZ> unless you have a windows equivalent of dd 06:47 < Jonas_NZ> in which case i would be interested 06:48 < pojiku> I have a small debian aswell but its so basic that I don't think it can compile it 06:48 < Jonas_NZ> ok 07:00 < EvilDude> ok this is really annoying, i had some code i made on a win platform a basic song queueing thing, and it worked fine and now it doesnt work in podzilla ! :( 07:01 -!- jfontan [~jfontan@pc3d.cesga.es] has joined #ipodlinux 07:01 < pojiku> does anyone know if there is any software that can turn on the voice recorder? 07:05 < EvilDude> i thought that was a power issue or is it just the proper serial commands arent sent? 07:06 < pojiku> im pretty sure its just serial commands 07:06 -!- EvilDude [pvaranas@CPE-144-133-102-98.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] 07:06 -!- PolishOX [~polishox@pcp180452pcs.pnsakn01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:09 < PolishOX> i just wanted to say its fascinating work you guys have done...thank you 07:09 < courtc> :) 07:10 -!- limb0 [limb0@CPE-60-225-28-212.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 07:34 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:39 < davidc__> we need more n00bs like you, PolishOX :) 07:41 < davidc__> eh, off to bed 07:41 < davidc__> g'night all 07:44 < Jonas_NZ> nite 07:52 < tittof> is that true, that i cannot use a firewire network device under windows xp to connect to an ipod runnin that embedded linux kernel? 07:52 < tittof> oh guess that's too early to expect an answer 07:52 -!- PolishOX [~polishox@pcp180452pcs.pnsakn01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:52 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:53 < tittof> i read about the possibility to use that windows xp firewire network device with that 2.6ish kernel 07:53 < davidc__> RTFM.... the ipod does not support everything needed to do proper IP/FW 07:54 < tittof> i read about that lack of hardware capability actually 07:54 -!- nonesuch [user@dhcp-43-47.EECS.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 07:54 < tittof> but i have also seen a posting dated 10th of january that there could be a workaround 07:54 < davidc__> hmm, I haven't seen that one 07:54 < davidc__> link? 07:55 < tittof> uhm in da forum.. im gonna have a look 07:55 < tittof> only have textmode browser available here 07:55 < davidc__> well, just who posted it? 07:55 < davidc__> if it was leachj our courtc or the like, I'll belive it... 07:55 < tittof> lol good question im gonna browse the forum 07:55 < tittof> yeag 07:55 < tittof> leach thing 07:56 < davidc__> if bern said it, then its probably right. He is rarely wrong 07:56 < davidc__> anyways, I need to sleep now 07:56 < davidc__> 'gnight. 07:56 < tittof> must be da wizard of ipodlinux eh? 07:56 < tittof> gnight to you 07:58 < tittof> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=479&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 07:58 < tittof> here it is 07:58 < tittof> posted by leachj 07:58 < tittof> 2.6 will talk to win32 and macosx using tcp/ip over firewire. 07:58 < tittof> However since it uses the hardware features that don't exist on the iPod we will need a work-around to be able to use that driver. 07:59 < tittof> if that comes to reality.. the users of ipodlinux will increase quite a bit 07:59 < tittof> and since i just have ordered a shiny tiny mac mini recently.. :P 08:13 -!- pojiku [pojiku@c220-237-32-224.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:13 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-o veteran ] by ChanServ 08:17 < veteran> night all 08:17 -!- veteran [~b@70.84.20.244] has quit ["."] 08:29 < eelriverlt> Is there any place taking a count of how many Ipods have linux on them? 08:32 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas@210-55-34-33.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:10 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:13 -!- bLeW_ [~blew@stjh1-1430.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:14 -!- Flik [~flik@d64-180-147-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:16 -!- eelriverlt [~murph@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:30 < limb0> i'm trying to get mp3 playing on a 3g and I need to edit /etc/rc from my windows machine. so fat i have been unable to view the linux partition using explore2fs with either ub or firewire from a XP machine. any suggestions pls? 09:31 -!- bLeW [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162191097.nl.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:31 < leachbj> I had thought someone on the forums posted about some success with one of those tools but I could be mistaken 09:33 < limb0> i'm searching them but so far unable to find anything. surely i'm not the first person to try ipod linux with a 3g and window machine, hehe. seems if you run windows ur stuffed pretty much 09:35 < limb0> seems you must either install linux or access a mac machine 09:36 < leachbj> or stick with the basic installer version... 09:36 < limb0> without mp3 playback? hehe, that's a bit harsh 8) 09:37 < leachbj> I thought the current windows installer worked fine? 09:38 -!- Friskaddict_ [Dyon@flits101-152.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 09:38 < limb0> it does, it installs and boots fine but try to play a mp3 file and it says "CANNOT OPEN MP3" 09:39 < leachbj> can you use the file browser to get to your music? 09:40 < limb0> apprently I just need to add: mount -o rw -o remount /dev/hda3 / to the /etc/rc file. yep, I can see it & browse it, I just cannot open any of he files 09:41 < limb0> if there was a text editor for ipod linux I could do it on the ipod 09:41 < leachbj> ;) 09:41 < limb0> maybe that's the go, try to install an editor 09:41 < leachbj> umm remounting the root as read/write won't help with mp3 playback though... 09:41 < courtc> mount -o remount,rw / 09:42 < courtc> yea, I dont see how that could help.. 09:46 < courtc> leachbj- have you seen this? the rockbox screen is 1 bit.. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginGrayscale 09:48 < leachbj> thats quite tricky! 09:49 < courtc> yea, 33 shades of gray with 1 bit is crafty.. you know what I'm thinking.. 09:50 < courtc> dunno if you read this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginVideo 09:50 < leachbj> do they have an explaination on how it is done? 09:50 < leachbj> ah, yeah on that page ;) 09:51 < leachbj> I wonder if that technique would work on the ipod 09:52 < courtc> dunno, but that would be very cool.. 09:55 -!- Friskaddict [Dyon@flits101-152.flits.rug.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:56 < courtc> http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/lib/ has the code for it.. 10:05 < jfontan> I belive actual iPod Screen uses this technique 10:05 < jfontan> pr gray 10:05 < jfontan> for 10:06 < courtc> i dont.. 10:06 < leachbj> me neither ;) 10:07 < limb0> i can play music thru the file browser but when I use the music menu it gives me the "cannot open mp3" error. i have a 3g 30 & use ephod, any suggestions? thanks in advance 10:07 < courtc> ahha, advancement.. so you _can_ play through the filebrowser.. 10:07 < leachbj> that error means that it cannot open the mp3 file 10:09 < limb0> yes, pardon me, I was mistaken thinking of the music sub menu browser, foolish of me. so is there any work around to enable the music menu or reasons why it might not be working? is ephod known to cause issues? 10:09 < jfontan> courtc, leachbj, when backlight is lit I can notice flicking in grey pixels 10:10 < leachbj> limb0: what version of podzilla does your about screen show? 10:10 < jfontan> courtc, leachbj, it can be seen in the calendar 10:10 < leachbj> i dont know of anyone using ephod 10:11 < courtc> Most of music was added via ephpod back in the day.. 10:12 < leachbj> jfontan: I dont see any flickering on my 3g... 10:12 < jfontan> leachbj, I have a 4g 10:12 < leachbj> oh yeah mean with the apple firmware. 10:12 < limb0> podzilla 0.2 beta 2.4.24-ipod3 #62 sat dec 18 15:30:19 CET 2004 10:12 < courtc> nor any flickering on my 1g.. 10:13 < jfontan> the flickering even looks like scrolling, somewhat like waves 10:14 < leachbj> if I stare long enough I think I see something like that.. but it doesnt have anything to do with the rockbox technique... the ipod lcd is a 2bit display not 1bit... 10:14 < courtc> I still see none, even on the apple fw 10:15 < jfontan> leachbj, perhaps what is 2 bit is the controller, and the phisical display only have 2 states 10:15 < jfontan> but I don't know much about this 10:16 < courtc> jfontan- you do realize that you are trying to convice the person who wrote the graphics driver that his driver is fictionary 10:16 < jfontan> I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm just guessing how my iPod work just by watching it 10:17 < jfontan> it's not that strange that screen use this techniques 10:17 < leachbj> limb0: when you browse do you have a top-level /iPod_Control directory? 10:17 < jfontan> I even used that on VGA 10:17 < courtc> huh, the backlight reverses the color in linux.. but not in the apple firmware? or is it vise versa 10:18 < leachbj> jfontan: you can read about the controller http://ipodlinux.sf.net/download/ehd66753.pdf 10:19 < limb0> when I browse, I can see the iPod_Control directory beneath recordings. i'm not sure wot u mean by "top level" 10:19 < jfontan> leachbj, thanks 10:19 < courtc> Its super cool though, you can play pong with the background black, foreground white... 10:19 < leachbj> limb0: top level == root, just select '..' till it doesnt go any further 10:20 < limb0> yes, i have iPod_Control as a top level directory. 10:20 < leachbj> and if you go in there, what do you see? 10:21 < limb0> Device, Itunes, Music 10:21 < leachbj> and in music you have all the f00, f01 etc directories and below that actual mp3s? 10:21 < limb0> yep 10:22 < limb0> bit hard to select the files one requires with them all being numbered & all 10:22 < courtc> nd thats why i stopped using ephpod 10:22 < limb0> beauty, so what do you use now? 10:23 < courtc> linux 10:23 < limb0> and just drag & drop with same dir structure as on ur linux machine? 10:23 < courtc> i actually was using ephpod on linux for a while... 10:24 < courtc> gtkpod works ok 10:25 < limb0> so it's common knowledge that ephod prevents the music menu from operating. oriiight. now i'm getting somewhere, thanks for all ur input, very grateful. 10:25 < courtc> what? 10:26 < courtc> it is? 10:26 < limb0> ummm. okay guess not. that's just the impression I got from what you just said 10:27 < courtc> nope, I just hate the numbers.. 10:27 < limb0> so presumably if the files are not numbered, the music menu actually works rather than giving a "cannot open mp3" error? 10:28 < jfontan> leachbj, on page 75 of that manual you can see that the controller is actually turning on and off the pixels to archieve gray 10:29 < courtc> limb0- it works(usually) no matter the files are named.. 10:29 < courtc> "what the file are named" 10:30 < jfontan> so provably its prossible to make what archos do, I don't know how hard it would be (and processor intensive) 10:31 < jfontan> but seems that the controller has an internal oscillator to make this 10:31 < leachbj> jfontan: sure, isnt that how all grayscale lcds work? 10:31 < jfontan> leachbj, that's what I was saying, what is 2 bits is the controller 10:31 < leachbj> ah ok 10:31 < courtc> jfontan- and your oscillator is off by a touch so you can see the scrolling.. 10:32 < jfontan> courtc, I think this "waving" is created by the way it paints the image 10:32 < jfontan> but I'm not sure 10:32 < jfontan> I'm still reading 10:33 < leachbj> in any case we could use the rockbox method to create further levels of gray... 10:33 < courtc> indeed.. 10:36 < jfontan> I'll try to test tome dithering methods, perhaps this technique and flicking can take grayscale further 10:37 < jfontan> but I have to tets that on PC 10:37 < jfontan> I have a 4g 10:39 < jfontan> What I'm wondering is if it can be done from microwindows or framebuffer driver level 10:39 < jfontan> I think the later 10:39 < jfontan> but I do not know much about microwindows 10:40 < leachbj> could be done at the framebuffer level with a kernel thread 10:40 < jfontan> ok, thanks 10:40 < leachbj> possibly at mw level, but the timing might be a bit harder there 10:40 < jfontan> seems to 10:41 < jfontan> and perhaps more cpu hungry 10:41 < courtc> being able to just use something like GREY33 would be awesome... 10:42 < jfontan> of course :D 10:43 < courtc> it looks like the rockbox folks expect it to be done at an application level.. :p 10:43 -!- limb0 [limb0@CPE-60-225-28-212.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 10:43 < jfontan> yep, it's a library 10:47 < Synapse-> Something's funky? 10:47 < Synapse-> hrm. 10:47 < Synapse-> wrong window. 10:50 < jfontan> :) 11:27 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:30 -!- bLeW__ [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162160100.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:48 -!- bLeW_ [~blew@stjh1-1430.nl.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:13 -!- Mayoral [ask@200.Red-80-26-118.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:33 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:34 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:36 -!- ZMollusc [~abcd@82-38-58-135.cable.ubr05.brad.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 12:50 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:58 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 13:35 -!- ZMollusc [~abcd@82-38-58-135.cable.ubr05.brad.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:39 -!- Mayoral [ask@200.Red-80-26-118.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps"] 13:40 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EEB934.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:59 < coob> i really like the rockbox website 13:59 < coob> the wiki/cvs/other paarts are all really nicely integrated :D 14:01 < courtc> it seems kinda clunky and hard to manuever 14:01 < courtc> in #rockbox they were talking about a gb emu.. sounds familiar.. :p 14:04 < coob> hmm 14:04 < coob> on that lcd controller pdf, page 75 14:04 < coob> it seems like there's 8 levels of grey 14:04 < coob> but you can only have 2 different greys at a time? 14:05 < courtc> really? strange 14:08 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=Wanted&curid=817&diff=0&oldid=1854 14:08 < courtc> grr.. 14:08 < courtc> they all think that there are mystical games that just need installing 14:10 < leachbj> surely you can just run the Doom3 install shield and select your iPod as the install directory!? 14:12 < courtc> yea, then boot up apple-dos after you've jammed your ipod into the cdrom drive 14:15 < leachbj> ;) 14:16 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:28 < BleuLlama> I KNEW IT! HAH! 14:28 * BleuLlama installs Doom3 on hi s 4g iPod 14:29 < courtc> make sure to put your finger in the power socket while you boot up the ipod... It'll enable the buttons to work properly.. 14:29 < BleuLlama> hah. i know you;re trying to get me to screw up 14:29 < leachbj> it also helps with the colors 14:30 < BleuLlama> I know i have to be licking the power socket, not just touching it 14:30 < BleuLlama> sheesh 14:31 < courtc> hmm.. well http://ipodlinux.org/Current_development had a long and prosperous life.. Oh, wait.. 14:46 -!- leachbj_ [~leachbj@pD9EAB1FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:46 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB13F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:46 -!- leachbj_ is now known as leachbj 14:46 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 14:51 -!- elinenbe [~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225] has joined #ipodlinux 15:14 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 15:14 < Thijs> llo 15:18 < coob> aha 15:18 < coob> I just had a letter published in MacUser :D 15:27 < BleuLlama> heh. cool. 15:27 < coob> http://booc.coob.org/letter.jpg 15:29 < leachbj> sounds like a fun game :)... we could play something along those lines here... 15:29 < BleuLlama> i thought i'd seen that drinking game elsewhere... hmm.. heh. 15:30 < leachbj> "how do I install the games", "my 4g is broke", "when we'll the 4g be ready"... all worth a drink... 15:30 < coob> BleuLlama: i might've pasted the idea in here during the keynote 15:30 < coob> leachbj heh 15:30 < BleuLlama> ya know... yeah. 15:30 < BleuLlama> heh 15:30 < BleuLlama> nevermind... 15:30 < BleuLlama> boom. 15:31 < coob> it's probably in the log somewhere 15:31 * coob mirrors http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ 15:33 < BleuLlama> hmm. full day chatlogs. nice. 15:35 < coob> bonzo:~/ipl/rainstorm.org/ipod/stats# grep coob * | grep drink 15:35 < coob> ipodlinux.log-2005-01-13:19:21 < coob> drinking game: every time steve jobs says 'boom' in his mwsf keynote, take a shot 15:35 < coob> rah :D 15:35 < BleuLlama> ZING! @me. 15:35 < coob> 19:22 < BleuLlama> how about every time he says "otoh-matic" 15:36 < coob> you said that straight after heh 15:36 < BleuLlama> heh 15:36 < BleuLlama> i tell ya... when you get old. your memory goes. 15:36 < coob> that's what grep's for :D 15:36 < BleuLlama> hehe 15:37 < BleuLlama> who are you again? 15:37 < BleuLlama> GET OUT OF MY LIVING ROOM! 15:37 < BleuLlama> oh wait... nevermind. 15:40 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:02 -!- elinenbe [~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225] has quit [" The IRC Client of the Gods! -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- HydraIRC"] 16:16 -!- eelriverlt [~murph@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:21 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:23 -!- Flik [~flik@d207-6-196-246.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:42 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 16:47 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EEB934.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:48 -!- carote44 [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 17:01 -!- davidc__[school] [~davidc@142.232.117.249] has joined #ipodlinux 17:01 < davidc__[school]> hey all 17:01 < davidc__[school]> bern, you around? 17:01 < leachbj> yup 17:01 < davidc__[school]> anything new? :) 17:02 < davidc__[school]> I thought of a problem with linking in the mp3 decoder btw... 17:02 < davidc__[school]> the intel libs can't be statically linked into the kernel 17:02 < davidc__[school]> not gpl :( 17:02 < leachbj> not especially... got more 4g stuff into cvs 17:02 < davidc__[school]> cool\ 17:02 < davidc__[school]> are ya gonna try for a dual boot kernel? 17:02 < davidc__[school]> or two specialized kerneles? 17:03 < leachbj> we can use modules with a slight bend of the rules 17:03 < davidc__[school]> well, modules are fine 17:03 < davidc__[school]> it 'taints' the kernel... but who cares :) 17:03 < leachbj> yes for dual boot 17:04 < davidc__[school]> as long as its not statically linked, we should be fine\ 17:06 < davidc__[school]> bern, just out of curiosity, why do we have 'do not pm @ or + without permission' in the topic? 17:06 < leachbj> cool, nilss just confirmed that we can enable the cache on the pp5020 :) 17:06 < leachbj> no idea.. I didnt change it 17:07 < davidc__[school]> eh, I blame luke 17:07 < davidc__[school]> as I didn't change it 17:07 * davidc__[school] summons luke 17:07 < leachbj> i don't even know what the @ or + mean... (admin status?) 17:07 < davidc__[school]> yeah 17:07 < davidc__[school]> @ is admin 17:07 < davidc__[school]> + is voice 17:07 < davidc__[school]> on some clients 17:12 -!- carote [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:26 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup0071.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:38 < piratePenguin> is it safe to run a 3g off mains ie, without a battery? 17:38 < piratePenguin> leachbj I know ur there :p 17:38 < leachbj> i think so 17:38 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #iPodLinux 17:38 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:38 < piratePenguin> ok... 17:40 < fre_ber> Wow, email flooding by cvs-log! Nice work people! 17:40 * leachbj has been a busy bee 17:41 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:41 < fre_ber> Very good! :) 17:41 * piratePenguin has too 17:42 < piratePenguin> damnit my screen *is* broke 17:42 < fre_ber> Doh, on the iPod? 17:42 < piratePenguin> yer 17:42 < fre_ber> What happened? 17:43 < BleuLlama> he took it apart. 17:43 < piratePenguin> I tried to plug it out of the mobo ... the *wrong* way ... I think I ripped one of the wires off the thing that connects to the mobo ... 17:43 < fre_ber> Ouch.. 17:43 < davidc__[school]> yea 17:44 < davidc__[school]> thats... 17:44 < davidc__[school]> not good. 17:44 < fre_ber> The thin film flat cable? 17:44 < piratePenguin> yep 17:44 < fre_ber> (Don't know the english word) 17:44 < fre_ber> Oh... 17:44 < BleuLlama> ribbon 17:44 < fre_ber> ah 17:44 < BleuLlama> :) 17:44 < piratePenguin> could it be fixed? 17:44 < BleuLlama> bummer... well, you can still get something for the case, perhaps, pirate, if you were to ebay it... 17:45 < fre_ber> Maybe it could be replaced? 17:45 < fre_ber> How is it fixed at the ends? 17:45 < BleuLlama> his power circuitry (and probably battery) were fried... 17:45 < piratePenguin> I can *see* whats wrong ... 17:45 < fre_ber> Oh... That's worse... 17:46 < BleuLlama> about the only part left in there that was still worth something was the screen and drive. 17:46 < BleuLlama> perhaps he'll break the drive today. ;p 17:46 < fre_ber> :) 17:47 * fre_ber is looking through all the changelog messages from cvs... 17:47 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: no, the screen isn't till tomorrow 17:47 < piratePenguin> s/screen/drive/ :@ 17:47 < BleuLlama> ;) 17:47 < piratePenguin> mobo todaty 17:48 < BleuLlama> well, tht's probably already fried, since you saw smoke coming out of it; the charging circuit is probably dead... 17:48 < piratePenguin> wait till you see my pics =p 17:48 < piratePenguin> the case is burned on the inside 17:49 < davidc__[school]> piratePenguin: Holy. Shit. 17:49 < fre_ber> Ouch 17:50 < piratePenguin> Its from me ripping up my (broken) cable, plugging it into mains, and sticking it in the port in the hope that it wold charge ... well, it didn't 17:50 < BleuLlama> i don't think you can break your ipod any further... 17:50 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b *!*@cpe-069-133-002-130.cinci.rr.com ] by Luke 17:51 < piratePenguin> also, I got the wires and touched both of 'em off the metal plate @ the back of the ipod and I could *almost* make my own custom engraving 17:51 < BleuLlama> wait. you plugged the wire into mains without a transformer? 17:51 < piratePenguin> what the hell is a transformer? 17:51 < piratePenguin> I used the ipod plug, obviously 17:51 < BleuLlama> the thing that the charging wire plugs into, that plugs into the mains current... 17:51 < piratePenguin> heh 17:52 < piratePenguin> yea I used that 17:52 < BleuLlama> well, have fun destroying what's left of your ipod. 17:53 < piratePenguin> lol .. nah, I'll fix it one bit at a time 17:53 < davidc__[school]> if it was a photo, thats sacriledge. 17:53 < piratePenguin> screen first 17:53 < BleuLlama> dude. you don't know what a transformer is. you're not going to be fixing anything. it's only going to get worse. 17:54 < BleuLlama> just throw the fucking thing out, and drop $200+ on a new one. 17:54 < piratePenguin> no ... can I use the wiki for uploading this image of my screen-mobo connector? 17:55 < fre_ber> As a deterrent.. :) 17:55 < BleuLlama> look at it this way: You need a new mainboard, cable, and screen. those parts alone are $150+. and at that point, you don't even know if you battery is bad... it's hopeless. 17:59 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__[school] ] by Luke 18:01 < piratePenguin> http://ipodlinux.org/Image:Screen_mobo_connector_fucked.jpg 18:01 < piratePenguin> fucked 18:01 < piratePenguin> ? 18:03 < piratePenguin> whats the easiest way to get 'em sticking again? 18:03 < BleuLlama> the metal pins are pulled away from the ribbon? 18:03 < piratePenguin> slightly ... I think 18:03 < BleuLlama> i can't really tell what i'm looking at here. 18:04 < BleuLlama> how about a few pics from different angles or something? 18:04 * leachbj is away: I'm busy 18:04 < davidc__[school]> You're fucked man 18:04 < piratePenguin> the connector on the screen that goes into the mobo 18:06 < BleuLlama> i think you;re screwed. there's no way to re-attach that. 18:06 < piratePenguin> man power :D 18:12 < Luke> haha that is an awesome picture piratePenguin 18:15 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b *!*@24-25-221-85.san.rr.com ] by davidc__[school] 18:17 < piratePenguin> heh 18:17 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b *!*m1ke@*.nwrk.east.verizon.net ] by Luke 18:25 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b *!*van@* ] by Luke 18:25 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b *!*van@*.s378.tnt2.atnnj.pa.dialup.rcn.com ] by Luke 18:26 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b *!*van@vanquisher.user ] by Luke 18:32 -!- davidc__[school] [~davidc@142.232.117.249] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:33 < Thijs> piratePenguin: have u ##### up ur ipod ? 18:33 < piratePenguin> just the screen... I'm playin with it atm 18:33 < piratePenguin> just cant see whats happening :D 18:34 < Thijs> u tried to disconnect the connector from the PCB, and suddenly u broke it in half 18:34 < piratePenguin> sorta 18:35 < Thijs> :9 18:35 < Thijs> and now ? 18:35 < Thijs> AppleCare ? :D 18:35 < piratePenguin> I dont need apple :p 18:36 < piratePenguin> can it seriously not be fixed? 18:39 < Thijs> dont know, as i dont see many detaild 18:39 < Thijs> but those parts are not common i guess 18:39 < Thijs> as its not 2.54mm is it ? 18:41 < piratePenguin> eh? 18:41 < Thijs> distance between each pin 18:42 < BleuLlama> pirate: it seriously cannot be fixed now 18:43 < BleuLlama> it's not like a car engine or vcr where there are somewhat user servicible parts... even apple would just swap out the mobo with another or whichever part is bad. 18:45 < piratePenguin> ... apple are crap 18:48 < piratePenguin> so I better buy a new screen? better make it a super-cool one so 18:49 < BleuLlama> super-cool one? no. you will need to buy exactly what you have; an exact replacement 18:49 < BleuLlama> it' 18:49 < BleuLlama> it'll probably cost $50-$70 18:49 < BleuLlama> and your pod still won't charge right 18:49 < BleuLlama> you're better off just buying a whole new ipod now. 19:03 < piratePenguin> http://ipodlinux.org/Image:Screen_connector_opt.jpg 19:03 < piratePenguin> I dont see how thats so ipod-killable 19:04 < BleuLlama> well, you can't resolder those wires, especially not with a regular soldering iron. 19:04 < BleuLlama> that part is fucked. might as well throw it out 19:04 < BleuLlama> or ebay it for $5 19:05 < BleuLlama> then buy a replacement for $50+ 19:06 < BleuLlama> it's a 3g unit, right? 19:06 < coob> Pages is pretty neat 19:06 < BleuLlama> just found a place that has 2g replacement screens for $70 19:07 < BleuLlama> is it? I saw screenshots, and i really liked the way it flowed text... it looked nice 19:07 < BleuLlama> (unlike the way word flows text, which looks like it was done by a monkey with a brain tumor) 19:07 * BleuLlama wonders what render engine it has underneath it... 19:07 < coob> yeah the templates are much nicer too :) 19:08 < BleuLlama> :) 19:08 < BleuLlama> once i have some spare cash (HAHAHAHAH) i'll pick up iWork... I still need to snag me some iLife 05 goodness and Final Cut Express... 19:09 < piratePenguin> gonna get tiger? 19:09 < piratePenguin> when its out ... it seems cool 19:09 < BleuLlama> pirate: before things get too bad, you might want to send your pod to these guys: http://www.ipodmechanic.com/ 19:09 < BleuLlama> although it's probably too late. 19:09 < coob> depends how it runs on g3's.. i have an old ibook 19:10 < BleuLlama> yeah. we have the educational plan here. $25 per person, for OS updates per person. I can install OS X on any machine I own... 19:10 < BleuLlama> (legally) 19:10 < piratePenguin> cool 19:10 < BleuLlama> a friend just installed 10.4 on his AlBook12", and it seemed pretty good 19:10 < BleuLlama> (a dev version) 19:10 < BleuLlama> (obviously) 19:10 < coob> per person 19:10 < BleuLlama> but yes, i will be installing when it comes out 19:10 < coob> or per unit 19:10 < BleuLlama> yes. per person... not per machine. (pretty cool. eh?) 19:10 < BleuLlama> (and it covers personal machines too) 19:11 < coob> how many people do you admin for? 19:11 < BleuLlama> i don't (anymore) (thankfully) 19:11 < BleuLlama> I work here: http://www.cis.rit.edu/ 19:12 < BleuLlama> probaly 50 or so faculty and staff.. 19:12 < BleuLlama> about half have macs (powerbooks mainly) 19:12 < BleuLlama> we have a G4 Quicksilver tower and two new iMacs in the lab. nice machines. 19:12 < normalperson> BleuLlama: do/did you know Matt Kraai? 19:12 < BleuLlama> name isn't ringing a bell. 19:13 < BleuLlama> they went to CIS/Imaging Science? 19:13 < normalperson> not sure, I know he had an rit.edu email address, but he's a Debian Developer in SoCal nowadays 19:14 < BleuLlama> dunno. the institute is pretty big... 19:14 < normalperson> ah 19:14 < BleuLlama> penguin: they have new screens for $130 19:15 < BleuLlama> hmm. i wonder if i couldreplace my front panel with a 3g panel... i bet the button circuitry is on the mainboard. :( 19:16 < piratePenguin> theres a right bit of circutry on the panel 19:18 < BleuLlama> ok. yeah. nevermind. heh. 19:18 < BleuLlama> i'd love to have my clickwheel, but the notch-like indentation from the 3g 19:18 < BleuLlama> i like clicky buttons 19:19 < piratePenguin> :| 19:19 < coob> clickwheel is quite a bit different to the 3g 19:19 < BleuLlama> yeah. i know. i'm just saying i'd love that touchwheel. :( 19:19 < coob> wired in a different place i believe. 19:19 < coob> i need to clean my ipod :< 19:19 < BleuLlama> i'd trade my ipod with someone for a 3g 20gb, but mine was engraved by my parents, and was a gift, so i can't really do that. 19:20 < BleuLlama> i should just buy a 1g. ;) 19:20 < BleuLlama> (just to play vortex, once i write the fucker) 19:20 < BleuLlama> okay. i gotta get to work. 19:20 * BleuLlama idles. 19:23 < piratePenguin> http://ipodlinux.org/Image:Dscn1350.jpg 19:23 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: ^^^ 19:25 < piratePenguin> no signs of "fire" damage to the mobo tho 19:25 < BleuLlama> what was where that dark spot is? 19:25 < BleuLlama> that's not a pic of the mobo 19:25 < piratePenguin> I know 19:25 < piratePenguin> doc connecter 19:25 < piratePenguin> dock* 19:26 < piratePenguin> I've loadsa pics of the mobo too 19:26 < BleuLlama> dock connector is in the center. what part is offcenter there on the main board? 19:26 < piratePenguin> hrm ... interesting 19:27 < piratePenguin> hold on, pic coming 19:31 < piratePenguin> http://ipodlinux.org/Image:Dscn1379.jpg 19:32 < BleuLlama> yeah. no signs of fire damage. just a fried chip. dude. it's fucked 19:32 < BleuLlama> looks like a power regulator or transistor. 19:32 < piratePenguin> umm.. but it works 19:32 < BleuLlama> but it still doesn't charge your battery though, right? 19:33 < piratePenguin> nope... I'm running from mains tho 19:33 < BleuLlama> well, there's your problem 19:33 < BleuLlama> order a new mainboard, or always run it off of mains. 19:33 < BleuLlama> not that it matters, since the screen is fucked now. 19:33 < piratePenguin> ... told ya it wasnt the battery :D 19:34 < BleuLlama> i wasn;t here when you talked about the thing frying itself; jsut that it wasn't charging the battery 19:34 < piratePenguin> k ... thanks BleuLlama... 19:35 < macPod> what did you do? 19:36 * BleuLlama stays out of it. 19:36 < piratePenguin> I fucked up my ipod :D 19:36 < piratePenguin> with my broken cable 19:36 < piratePenguin> ... stripped it and stuck it in the dock port heh 19:37 < macPod> firewire? serial? minijack? 19:37 < piratePenguin> fw 19:37 < macPod> :/ that's a paddling right there.. 19:38 < piratePenguin> ... 19:38 * piratePenguin cries 19:38 < Spline32> I have a question (unrelated to pirates very unfortunate situation) 19:39 < piratePenguin> go ahead 19:39 < Spline32> Has anyone ever bricked an iPod using iPod Linux? 19:39 < Spline32> in other words, has an iPod ever been broken beyond repair? 19:39 < macPod> Not to my knowledge 19:39 < piratePenguin> doubt it 19:40 < macPod> There are a few posters who state it killed thier iPod but it always turns out to be something goofy 19:40 < macPod> i.e. They have a really cheap firewire/usb card.. do not know how to hold down the buttons on their iPod correctly, etc 19:40 < Spline32> haha... 19:40 < Spline32> step 1: press button 19:41 < Spline32> step 2: continue to press button 19:41 < Spline32> "huh, what, ya lost me!" 19:42 < macPod> That happens so often even poking fun of it gets annoying 19:42 < Spline32> I worked tech support for 2 years at a small networking firm 19:42 < Spline32> so I have some idea how things go 19:43 < Spline32> would you guys like my "Bang Head Here" mousepads? Im sure you dev's need them more than me now:-) 19:48 -!- Spline32 [~SplinterF@dhcp024-208-229-160.twmi.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 19:51 < piratePenguin> what should I do with my ipod parts? anyone here want 'em? 19:51 < macPod> I would sell the stuff you know works 19:51 < macPod> i.e. the hard drive 19:51 < piratePenguin> 10gb, heh 19:51 < macPod> and battery 19:51 -!- Petterminator [p@56.180.32.ip.nordiq.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:52 < macPod> post the stuff on the forum 19:52 < piratePenguin> >1year old 19:52 < macPod> I bet someobdy wants your case too 19:52 < macPod> if theirs is scratched up 19:52 < Petterminator> Hello 19:52 < piratePenguin> mines scratched up :D 19:52 < piratePenguin> hello 19:52 < macPod> but perhapse not as much as someone elses 19:52 < macPod> It might even end up in an art gallery in d.c 19:52 < piratePenguin> rofl 19:53 < fre_ber> Pirate, from that image, the damage look fairly localized. I don't know enough about electronics, but it could be worth a shot for someone who is. 19:53 < fre_ber> s/is/does 19:53 < piratePenguin> yea, I made a post on http://ipodmechanic.com/sell_your_ipod.htm 19:54 < Petterminator> I'm wondering a bit about the capabilities of the iPod... I'm thinking about porting libsidplay, and I'm mainly wondering if it's worth the effort. Could it be possible to play sids on the iPod? 19:55 < piratePenguin> how much would it cost to post a small package from Ireland to the US ? 19:58 < macPod> Petterminator, the iPod runs at 75mhz, and computes non-integers via software 20:00 < Petterminator> Sounds like it might work... Is there a /dev/sequencer interface available? 20:01 < piratePenguin> I think I might buy a 4g 20:02 < macPod> "mom this ipod doesent work anymore will you buy me a new one :) " 20:03 < gonffen> I know you guys say on your site that you haven't killed an iPod yet on iPodLinux but did you kill one in initial testing? 20:03 < macPod> nope 20:03 < coob> why would you just assume that? 20:03 < macPod> unless one was physically pulled apart 20:04 < macPod> or someone wrote to the flash 20:04 < gonffen> alright thats what I thought 20:04 < gonffen> just wanted to make sure though 20:04 < macPod> planning on mucking with yours? 20:04 < coob> mmm pages uses xml as its format 20:04 < gonffen> na macPod, I think i'll stick with the official firmware for now ;) 20:05 < macPod> coob: what? 20:05 < gonffen> it would be nice to tinker with it one of these days to see what is there 20:06 < Petterminator> I have a friend who just bought an old 2G with a broken channel. He's planning on fixing that. 20:06 < macPod> probably just came loose inside the device 20:08 < BleuLlama> Petterminator: i don't think there's /dev/sequencer on it. i was thinking about porting mikmod to it, to get mod playback... then i was gonna do sid playback after that. (later this year) 20:08 < piratePenguin> hrm.. maybe I can get a 1G/2G ... 20:09 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 20:09 < piratePenguin> where'd I get the old ipods? 20:09 < Petterminator> BleuLlama: Really? That' pretty much exactly what I was planning on doing. 20:09 < gonffen> piratePenguin: they sell refurbed on apple's site sometimes 20:10 < piratePenguin> gonffen: cool 20:10 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-67-76-102-127.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:10 < BleuLlama> pp: ebay? 20:11 < piratePenguin> I'll try that ... but I haven't really used it much before 20:12 < BleuLlama> i never got a dock plug (dust protector) with my ipod. :( 20:12 < piratePenguin> can't believe I fucked up my ipod :@ 20:12 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: I got 2 :D 20:12 < BleuLlama> bottom of this: http://ipodmechanic.com/accessories.htm 20:13 < piratePenguin> haha ... ipodmech is a ripoff 20:13 < normalperson> this is cool, being able to listen to Pearl Jam -- Black (FLAC -8) at work with my ipod :D 20:13 < BleuLlama> well, they buy old, broken ipods and part them out... 20:13 < piratePenguin> ahh 20:14 < BleuLlama> i bet you could buy parts on ebay for cheaper than what they sell it for. 20:14 * normalperson wonders if he was the first (and maybe still the only?) to listen to music on ipodlinux continuously 20:14 < gonffen> how'd you fuck it up? 20:14 < coob> what other bullshit are you supposed to list down on CVs under skills 20:14 < coob> I have communication/IT skills listed, what else can I add 20:15 < normalperson> coob: depends on the job, but communication skills are important 20:15 < normalperson> and something I tend to lack 20:15 < coob> yep got them down 20:15 < BleuLlama> gonffen: his power cable frayed, so he shoved the bare wires into the dock connector, then he cracked it open and fucked up the ribbon cable to the screen. (in a nutshell) 20:15 < normalperson> hmm.. networking (people) skills, too 20:15 < Petterminator> BleuLlama: How far have you gone on porting mikmod? 20:15 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: couldn't put it better myself :D 20:16 < piratePenguin> it *WAS* fun tho 20:16 < normalperson> BleuLlama: are you working on mikmod itself? or a player for mikmod? 20:16 < BleuLlama> petter: well, i'm waiting for 4g support before i start, really. 20:16 < coob> bearing in mind I'm applying for a whole rack of different part time jobs (barwork/office jockeying/telesales etc) 20:16 < normalperson> because mpd can use mikmod 20:16 < Petterminator> BleuLlama: Sounds a bit like myself, again. 20:16 < BleuLlama> norm: well, once i heard that MPD was gonna be dropping mod support, i figured i'd just write a whole mikmod based app 20:17 < Petterminator> BleuLlama: Need any help? I'm not an expert, but I might be able to help with some parts at least 20:17 < normalperson> BleuLlama: we haven't dropped it yet, and my branch operates independently of mainline's decisions :) 20:17 < normalperson> BleuLlama: mainly, I need to know stack usage and amount of floating point used by it 20:17 < BleuLlama> if mpd supported mods (via mikmod) then i'll just help getting it running on uclinux. (once 4g support is done, since i have a 4g) 20:17 < BleuLlama> understood 20:18 < normalperson> BleuLlama: most likely, Warren (mpd upstream) will just disable mikmod support by default, but still leave it as a compile-time option 20:18 < BleuLlama> i haven't really examined it yet. last time i was really into the mikmod library was around 1995 or so, around mikmod 2.xxx... i've peeked at mikmod 3, and to be honest, i think that with some work, i could accomplish the same thing with less code... 20:18 < normalperson> actually, that's what he's done in the svn trunk 20:18 < BleuLlama> that's fine, norm. perhaps i could wander in there later and re-enable it and get it working. 20:19 < normalperson> ./configure --enable-mikmod :) 20:19 < BleuLlama> ;) 20:19 < gonffen> nsfw://yonkis.com/imagenes4/mcdonalds.jpg 20:20 < BleuLlama> i figured i'd write a whole new gui, just for mods that displays things differently than just "elapsed time", and such 20:20 < BleuLlama> and since it's relatively similar, i'd add .sid support (well, adding in a SID emulator, and such) 20:20 < normalperson> BleuLlama: personally, I'd like mpd to become the default player for all audio under ipodlinux (yes, you will be assimilated) and leave UI options/design up to people who know better than me 20:21 < normalperson> that's the way mpd is handled for desktops 20:22 < normalperson> I for one, refuse to work with UIs as much as I possibly can because it's ripe for bikeshedding 20:22 < coob> i agree with normalperson, but seeing how BleuLlama's stuff will be (?) open source, it'd probably be non trivial to slide into mpd, so I guess he can code it how he wants 20:22 < BleuLlama> norm: that sounds like the optimum solution. (all audio decoding in mpd) 20:22 < normalperson> once I get playlist loading/saving and queing stabilized, I'll work on supporting more libs in uclinux 20:23 < BleuLlama> (and of course, my work with this project is open source... freeware, gpl, whatever) 20:23 < Petterminator> BleuLlama: As I said, if there's anything I can help you with, I'd really like to. That's the exact kind of project I was going to do myself, more or less. 20:23 < normalperson> btw, if anybody asks, preliminary musepack support is in the mainline trunk as of yesterday, and easy to integrate into my branch once it's stabilized and tested 20:23 < piratePenguin> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80021&item=5748616579&rd=1 :/ 20:24 < normalperson> I managed to break playlist loading with my filebuffering code, and I still need to fix and redesign some of that 20:24 < normalperson> because right now the buffering works well for one large FLAC file, not 10 small ones 20:25 < BleuLlama> petter: understood. it's something i won't be tackling for a little while yet. 20:25 < Petterminator> BleuLlama: Right. 20:25 -!- Bieh [~chatzilla@202.49.165.22] has joined #ipodlinux 20:25 < normalperson> ok, back to work work, later 20:26 * BleuLlama is *really* tempted to write a mod playback library from scratch. 20:27 < piratePenguin> can ya get silver 4g's ? 20:27 < normalperson> BleuLlama: that might be a good idea, actually 20:27 < BleuLlama> start with regular .mod files, but with an eye on the other formats... 20:27 < normalperson> if you really pay attention to things like stability and not using floating point, and writing sane code in general 20:27 < BleuLlama> then add on .s3m, 8channel .mod, .ult, .xm, etc... 20:27 < BleuLlama> exactly 20:28 < normalperson> I don't haven't listened to mod, but I know some people do 20:28 < BleuLlama> as much integer-only math, and simple table lookups rather than nesting functions 20:28 < BleuLlama> keep it simple 20:28 < normalperson> that way mpd can use a lib other than mikmod 20:28 < Petterminator> Yess 20:28 < BleuLlama> yup. lots and lots of error checking... 20:29 < BleuLlama> (since many mods have borderline brokenness/or are just broken) 20:29 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-67-76-102-127.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"] 20:29 < Petterminator> Sometimes it's on purpose, though 20:29 < BleuLlama> or old 15 channel NTII mods... those are sometimes shaky 20:29 < BleuLlama> er 20:29 < normalperson> stability is a main selling point of mpd, playing only flac, ogg, mp3, wav, I and many other users have managed hundreds of days of uptime 20:30 < BleuLlama> er... 15 instrument. 20:30 < BleuLlama> understood, and agreed. 20:30 < gonffen> font size="3">don't haven't listened to mod, but I know some people do 20:30 < gonffen> (15:28:12) BleuLlama: as much integer-only math, and simple table lookups rather than nesting functions 20:30 < gonffen> sorry... bumped a button 20:30 < BleuLlama> i have a very critical ear when it comes to .mod playback. I've played these files in Protracker and MED for years, so i know how they're supposed to sound 20:31 < BleuLlama> mikmod gets many files wrong, subtly, but wrong 20:31 < BleuLlama> and i ahve a lot of good test mods that exercise all of the capabilities... 20:31 < BleuLlama> a discussion for another time, perhaps. :) 20:31 < normalperson> BleuLlama: sounds cool 20:31 < Petterminator> Maybe so 20:32 < normalperson> BleuLlama: nobody in the mpd dev team really cares for mods, unfortunately, so we could use some support in that area 20:32 < BleuLlama> understood. 20:32 < normalperson> well, the GNUstep client dev, actually 20:32 < BleuLlama> how is the OS X mpd support? 20:32 < normalperson> and he accidentally put _my_ name + copyright info in the mikmod file of mpd >:( 20:32 < BleuLlama> :P 20:33 < normalperson> BleuLlama: I think it works 20:33 < normalperson> http://musicpd.org/wiki/moin.cgi/MusicPlayerDaemonCompatibility 20:33 < BleuLlama> okey. i'll check it out later. 20:34 < BleuLlama> perhaps the end of this month, i might have time to start working on it... 20:34 < normalperson> cool, np 20:34 < BleuLlama> I've been wanting to write a Tracker/Mod Player for years. 20:34 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup0071.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 20:35 < Petterminator> BleuLlama: Your stealing all of my projects! ;) 20:35 < normalperson> back to work, really 20:36 < Petterminator> Me and a friends just started thinking about that exact thing 20:36 < Petterminator> *friend 20:40 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-67-76-102-127.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:42 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E573D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:42 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E573D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 21:05 -!- MikeXpop [~MikeXpop@h00039322818a.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:06 < MikeXpop> Hey guys 21:06 < MikeXpop> is anyone there awake? 21:07 < BleuLlama> petter: don't claim i'm stealing it until i actually start working on it. ;) 21:07 < BleuLlama> petter: I will probably end up researching the .sid song format to make sure that what i write is capable of supporting it. 21:08 < Petterminator> Right :) 21:08 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 21:08 < MikeXpop> Would anyone know what to do when their iPod freezes while rebooting? 21:09 < MikeXpop> I rebooted mine and now it won't get past the apple-picture stage 21:12 < MikeXpop> Because it is constantly in the first part of the reboot process, it can't mount. So I can't just format it and install the firmware again 21:12 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup0071.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:13 < piratePenguin> does the 4g come in different colours? 21:13 < gonffen> I don't think 21:13 < Petterminator> Only the mini, right? 21:13 < MikeXpop> only the mini 21:13 < MikeXpop> the 4th gen is white, or red/black if you get the U2 21:14 < gonffen> you can always get covers 21:14 < piratePenguin> alright 21:14 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E573D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:14 < piratePenguin> I think I can get a 4G for €200 w00t! 21:14 < piratePenguin> now all I needa do is get the money, somehow 21:15 < gonffen> maybe iPodLinux should start a fundraiser 21:15 < gonffen> put some adwords up or something 21:16 < gonffen> iPods to test on aren't cheap... 21:16 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E573D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:16 < piratePenguin> I'm not getting a 4G for testing! 21:16 < piratePenguin> although I probably will 21:16 < piratePenguin> but I fcuked up my 3G :'( 21:17 < gonffen> piratePenguin: your not supposed to let them know that ;) 21:17 < gonffen> I'm SURE it will be used for testing 21:17 < gonffen> and think of how you're getting it ;) 21:17 < gonffen> their is always freeipods.com 21:17 < piratePenguin> lol 21:18 < piratePenguin> dunno if I can use that in Ireland.. 21:18 < gonffen> you guys should become a 501(c)3 or w/e it is organization 21:18 < gonffen> oh Ireland... have somebody mail you it? 21:18 < gonffen> use a "bouncer" 21:18 -!- carote44 [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 21:18 < piratePenguin> mmm.. I dunno 21:18 < gonffen> http://web.media.mit.edu/~ladyada/make/minty/make/finished.jpg hey can you tell me if the microchip on there is a PIC18LF452 I/P or I/PT? 21:19 < gonffen> it's kinda hard to read... but if you zoom in you can kinda read it 21:19 < gonffen> nevermind... it's an I/P T 21:21 < MikeXpop> gonffen, you're making the Minty? 21:22 < gonffen> I'm considering it 21:22 < gonffen> I doubt I have the skills but I'm gonna atleast try and get a sample of the chip used 21:22 -!- limb0 [limb0@CPE-60-225-28-212.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 21:22 < gonffen> that and the blinky light thingy 21:22 < gonffen> why have you made one? 21:23 < BleuLlama> gonffen: his 3g isn't messed up because of ipodlinux. (fyi) 21:23 < gonffen> ya I know 21:24 < gonffen> somebody told me why earlier 21:24 < BleuLlama> ok. just making sure, your response above made it sound like you were avoiding ipodlinux because of his misfortune... 21:24 < BleuLlama> just clarifying. :) 21:24 < coob> ABX testing has shown Home Depot 18 gauge lamp cord to be identical or even superior to Monster Cable in all respects. 21:24 < coob> hahaha 21:25 < BleuLlama> hmm. i should make a page on the wiki for my mikmod/modplayer port. PodMod. heh 21:25 < gonffen> is it cheaper? 21:25 < limb0> i'm unable to play music from the music menu on a 3g using ephod, although it plays fine from the file browser menu, and i was wondering what other windows ipod transfer utils people are using..? 21:25 < MikeXpop> gonffen: I was going to make one, but I realized I really had no use for it. I might make one and decorate it for a birthday present or something 21:25 < Petterminator> Heh 21:25 < BleuLlama> coob: that's why i always use standard electrical cable for speaker wire, unless i get a really good deal on speaker cabling. hehe 21:26 < gonffen> I have a friend who messes with ICs for making robots 21:26 < gonffen> I thought he'd appreciate it 21:26 < BleuLlama> PodMod sounds too generic 21:26 < gonffen> that and.. it's cheap... 21:26 < coob> http://www.pcavtech.com/abx/abx_wire.htm 21:26 < BleuLlama> iTracker? nah. sounds too much like an eye position locator... hmmm 21:26 < gonffen> it's nice that it has... aw what was the feature.. 21:26 < MikeXpop> coob: I did a double blind test with lamp wire and speaker cable (cheapo cable, not monster), and I picked out the speaker cable each time 21:27 < MikeXpop> different ears pick out different things 21:27 < Petterminator> BleuLlama: iMod? 21:27 < coob> sure you did :) 21:27 < BleuLlama> eh... it's Sid also (eventually) 21:27 < coob> MikPod 21:27 < Petterminator> Well, yes 21:28 < Petterminator> iSod? 21:28 < BleuLlama> nope. not if it's not Mikmod based.. i'm not Jean Mikkers. ;) 21:28 < limb0> the old quality interconnect is a con debate, ahhh, some things are timeless. hehe. I agree with mike. if ur a rampant audiophile with class a gear, it's likely you won;t be satified with lamp cord 8) 21:28 < Petterminator> ;) 21:28 < BleuLlama> i could go back to the name I was using years ago for my (never coded) mod tracker... JamTracker. 21:28 < coob> LamMod? 21:28 < gonffen> PodMod? 21:29 < coob> PodTracker 21:29 < BleuLlama> Llamod! 21:29 < piratePenguin> lol 21:29 < coob> how about coding it befor eyou name it :D 21:29 < BleuLlama> LlamMod. 21:29 < BleuLlama> i like that, coob 21:29 < BleuLlama> well, i kinda need a name to put on the directory, and for my personal CVs repository... ;) 21:29 < Petterminator> coob: You've got it all backwards! The name is /everything/ ;) 21:29 < BleuLlama> i don't like working on a project without a safety net. 21:30 < piratePenguin> LlamMod ... I think BleuLlama deserves it 21:30 < MikeXpop> coob, haven't you ever seen the Dilbert cartoon? The name goes _first_! 21:30 < BleuLlama> crap. how am i going to do real work when I have this on my mind now. 21:30 < coob> dilbert isn't funny :( 21:30 < MikeXpop> "Do you think the guy who invented the mousepad came up with the name first? What's a 'mousepad'? " 21:30 < BleuLlama> "real work" is defined as "the work i'm actually paid to do while i sit here 21:30 < coob> family guy mockery of dilbert owns :D 21:31 < gonffen> I bet mouse was some idea of somebody else 21:31 < MikeXpop> Hey coob, what do you call a middle management employee who gets a promotion? 21:31 < gonffen> and it would make sense to call the pad a mousepad 21:31 < BleuLlama> oh that reminds me. i gotta get a new green marker to edge my CDs with to make them sound better. 21:31 < gonffen> executive? 21:31 < gonffen> BleuLlama: ? 21:31 < MikeXpop> *what do you call it when 21:32 < coob> *blank stare* 21:32 < coob> you got the joke the wrong way round lol. 21:32 < coob> Bald Guy: β€œHey, Dilbert, what do you call it when a guy in middle management moves all the way up to upper management?” 21:32 < coob> Dilbert: β€œI don’t know, what do you call it?” 21:32 < coob> Bald Guy: β€œA promotion!” 21:32 < coob> Dilbert: β€œOh, thanks. Here’s a memo.” 21:32 < coob> ew 21:32 < coob> terminal doesn't like pastes from camino. 21:32 < MikeXpop> bah 21:32 < MikeXpop> camino? 21:33 < MikeXpop> who uses camino anymore? 21:33 < coob> gecko based browser for os x. 21:33 < BleuLlama> there was a scam a buncha years back from a company that was selling green sharpies as a product to color the edge of a cd to make it sound "fuller".. eliminating stray signal caused by the red laser light diffracting... which is 100% bull, but funny that people believed it 21:33 < coob> i do, 21:33 < coob> better in some respects than safari 21:33 < coob> i use safari and camino, btu have limited ram/cpu 21:33 < coob> so use one for a spell, another for a spell. 21:33 < MikeXpop> ahhh 21:34 < MikeXpop> I really shouldn't talk, I still use OmniWeb 4.5 sometimes 21:34 < coob> heh i remember when omniweb rocked 21:34 < coob> back in the old public beta days :D 21:34 < gonffen> i was just told by Juno that if my system clock is correct I need to upgrade 21:34 < gonffen> it has address book data 21:34 < BleuLlama> i used to use omniweb all the time. 21:34 * coob waits for some nextstep oap to tell him omniweb is older than that 21:34 < BleuLlama> but now i use Safari and Sogudi 21:34 < MikeXpop> I'd still use it if it had proper tabs 21:34 < BleuLlama> sogudi adds omniweb's shortcut mechanism to safari 21:35 < Petterminator> BleuLlama: Name-thingie: iRetro? 21:35 < coob> it has those weirdo thumbnail ones now doesnt it? 21:35 -!- limb0 [limb0@CPE-60-225-28-212.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 21:35 < BleuLlama> nah. llammod 21:35 < coob> safari has all sorts of cool hackixes using SIMBL 21:35 < Petterminator> k 21:35 < MikeXpop> BleuLlama: thanks, I'll try out sogudi 21:35 < coob> acidsearch is neat 21:35 < BleuLlama> and i use firefox on my windoze 98SE box 21:35 < coob> as is uhh that ad-blocking one 21:36 < MikeXpop> Pithhelmet 21:36 < coob> yeah 21:36 < coob> i'm so thick 21:36 < coob> i paid to register that (hey, it was quality software and i occasionally pay for shareware) 21:37 < coob> then i realised all you have to do to register it is tick 'I paid' in the prefs :0 21:37 < BleuLlama> i paid for omniweb back in the day. :) 21:37 < MikeXpop> haha 21:37 < MikeXpop> I've paid for a lot of indie tunes on iTunes before I realized most of them were available for free 21:37 < gonffen> coob: heh... my shareware was never like that.. 21:37 < MikeXpop> off their websites 21:37 < BleuLlama> yep. heh 21:37 < gonffen> Stars! is a good game :P 21:38 < coob> i like shareware that's like $5 21:39 < piratePenguin> :| 21:39 < piratePenguin> free software all the way 21:39 < coob> just neat little hacks and stuff. 21:39 < BleuLlama> back in the day, i paid for Cool Edit 96. best $50 i ever spent on shareware. (Multiquence for $50 also... multitrack sound sequencer... pretty decent one too) 21:39 < coob> free software has it's place, I don't think it should be a panacea 21:39 < BleuLlama> still remember my activation code for CE96. JILWHHCN heh 21:40 < BleuLlama> and yet, i can't remember where i parked my car this morning 21:40 < MikeXpop> hahaha 21:40 < coob> lol 21:40 < coob> i can remember fps layouts from 1994 and probably draw maps of them from memory, but i can't remember how to divide fractions no matter howw many times i've done it :) 21:41 < MikeXpop> how to divide fractions? 21:41 < MikeXpop> aren't fractions just divisions themselves? 21:41 < piratePenguin> coob: caught rotten :p 21:41 < BleuLlama> hehe 21:42 < BleuLlama> it's funny, when i think back to the old FPS games I played (Doom, Doom2, Duke3d, Quake, Blood, etc) I remember the maps as being actual locations that i've walked through, rather than screen imagery. 21:42 < BleuLlama> (heretic, hexen also) 21:44 < coob> (3/4)/(9/8) = diving fractions 21:44 < coob> yes yes, flip and multiply, i know. 21:44 < MikeXpop> haha 21:45 < coob> but fuck you, I can play doom blindfolded! 21:45 < MikeXpop> not multiplayer =D 21:46 < MikeXpop> be right back 21:46 -!- MikeXpop is now known as MikeXpop|away 21:46 < BleuLlama> heh 21:47 < coob> eh doom probably 21:47 < coob> keep firing with memorised locations of ammo :) 21:49 < gonffen> microchip isn't sending me the goddamn activation email 21:50 < MikeXpop|away> coob, do you know if DoomLegacy works with multiplayer? 21:50 < MikeXpop|away> I'd wager on that 21:51 < piratePenguin> heh 21:51 < coob> i didn't say i'd be able to win :) 21:52 < coob> there are tcp/ip doom ports around yeh 21:54 < BleuLlama> IPX? was that the old MS-DOS networking crap? 21:55 < coob> novell used it. 21:56 < fre_ber> MS stuff was NetBIOS, (IBM) iirc. 21:56 < fre_ber> Samba 21:57 < MikeXpop|away> sorry to get off topic, but is it just me, or does anybody else's mouse speed slow down after a few weeks of not rebooting? 21:59 -!- MikeXpop|away is now known as MikeXpop 22:00 < BleuLlama> not on my machine. (500mhz Powerbook G4 OS X) 22:01 < MikeXpop> doesn't happen on my iBook, but it does on my eMac 22:01 < MikeXpop> do you use the trackpad? 22:04 < coob> ouh 22:05 < coob> BleuLlama: are you bored atm? 22:05 < Petterminator> Happens not on my sweet Debian-box 22:06 < MikeXpop> nor on mine ;) 22:06 < MikeXpop> well, Ubuntu, but it's based on Debian 22:06 < BleuLlama> what's up, coob? 22:07 < coob> BleuLlama: i was thinking after reading a forum request... that with a tiny bit of AI poddraw could be turned into a Tron game :) 22:07 < BleuLlama> (he writes while listening to the Tron Rock Opera) 22:08 < BleuLlama> eh... it could, perhaps. 22:08 < BleuLlama> so you want me to put a Surround game on my todo plate? ;) 22:08 < piratePenguin> whats poddraw? (probably a program in podzilla cvs? I havent checked it out in ages) 22:08 < MikeXpop> it's like Snake 22:08 < piratePenguin> alright 22:08 < coob> simple drawing program piratePenguin 22:08 < BleuLlama> not in podzilla cvs, as far as i know. 22:08 < MikeXpop> or Nibbles, from QBASIC fame 22:08 < coob> it is BleuLlama 22:09 < BleuLlama> it's just a drawing toy, similar to an etch-a-sketch 22:09 < MikeXpop> oh 22:09 < piratePenguin> coob: oh, like my not-started iPaint 22:09 < coob> 'Surround game' blewulama? 22:09 < BleuLlama> but yeah. a nibbler/surround like game would be dirt simple. 22:09 < coob> ah 22:09 < coob> snake 22:09 < coob> :) 22:09 < BleuLlama> "tron game" = "surround" 22:09 * coob ex nokia kiddie 22:09 < coob> yeah but with two trails 22:09 < coob> the red guy :D 22:09 < BleuLlama> surround has an enemy trying to capture you. nibbler, you just eat up the numbers or dots, and your tail gets longer. 22:09 < coob> or green guy, i forget. 22:10 < coob> yeah 22:10 < BleuLlama> surround, your tail never drops off... it's actually easier to write 22:10 < Petterminator> Blue and yellow-ish I think 22:10 < BleuLlama> but the two can really be the same game engine 22:10 < Petterminator> just set length to infinity 22:10 < BleuLlama> i've got two Tron arcade machines, so "Tron game" to me means all four subgames, rather than just the lightcycle game, which is what most people mean by "tron game" ;) 22:11 < coob> yeah you also have the costume to weaar whilst playing it :D 22:11 < Petterminator> Really? 22:11 < Petterminator> o.O 22:11 < MikeXpop> extra credit if you acheive the infamous camel toe 22:12 < BleuLlama> not really. the costume is still in L.A. on a movie set. heh. 22:13 < BleuLlama> i'd really just love to have the helmet back. i'd love to have that glowing in my office all day. :D 22:13 < MikeXpop> ahh, BleuLlama, that reminds me of a picture 22:15 < BleuLlama> http://www.chrishardwick.com/tron.html 22:15 < coob> aha i love vet's forum sig 22:15 < BleuLlama> (that "Brendan Small" is the same as the guy from "Home Movies" 22:15 < coob> [7:35pm] Luke sets mode: -m 22:15 < coob> [7:35pm] just out of curriosity, when will the 4g version of linux be ready?? 22:15 < coob> [7:35pm] <@veteran> hahaha! it took 8 seconds 22:16 < MikeXpop> damn, can't find it 22:17 < MikeXpop> wait, found it 22:18 < MikeXpop> BleuLlama, you could always do this instead of the helmet 22:18 < MikeXpop> http://lanparty.gotdns.com/~matt/link/38CCFL.jpg 22:18 < MikeXpop> 25 cold cathode tubes 22:18 < BleuLlama> heh 22:19 < BleuLlama> shoulda just used EL wire, it would have been cheaper. ;) 22:19 < MikeXpop> well we could all just use Apple's iPod OS, it'd be easier 22:19 < MikeXpop> you have to factor in coolness 22:20 < BleuLlama> elwire would give the same effect, but be less expensive than cc tubes 22:21 < BleuLlama> that does look wicked cool. 22:22 < MikeXpop> well supposedly the guy had a bunch of extra cathode tubes, so he didn't pay for it 22:22 < BleuLlama> well, there you go then. :) 22:22 -!- Petterminator [p@56.180.32.ip.nordiq.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 22:27 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 22:31 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps..."] 22:34 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup0071.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:38 < BleuLlama> hmm... i think i just figured out how to make pod draw easier to use... and it would be the same control system for snake... hmmm 22:38 < MikeXpop> how? 22:39 < BleuLlama> center button advances position, (or in the game, time advances position) the spinner just changes direction of motion 22:39 < BleuLlama> like a steering wheel 22:39 < BleuLlama> i'll experiment with it later this week 22:40 < coob> in a game 22:40 < coob> next/prev would be easier 22:41 < coob> as you'd only need left/right 22:41 < MikeXpop> right 22:42 < BleuLlama> so if your player is moving upwards, >>| turns right, but while moving downwards. >>| turns left? 22:42 < BleuLlama> i like the spinner Clockwise/counterclockwise motion better. 22:42 < BleuLlama> aw hell, i' 22:42 < BleuLlama> aw hell, i'll put in both 22:42 < MikeXpop> I prefer the way you said 22:42 < MikeXpop> that's how I'm used to it in Nibbles 22:43 < MikeXpop> oh wait 22:43 < MikeXpop> no, in that it was regular 22:43 < MikeXpop> I'm thinking of something else 22:43 < MikeXpop> oooh right, GTA 22:43 < MikeXpop> that's how it is in GTA 22:43 < BleuLlama> nibbler type games usually have a joystick, and you just point the stick where you want the worm to go 22:43 < MikeXpop> right 22:43 < BleuLlama> or it works like a remote control car. right on the control panel moves the "vehicle" right, based on which direction it is moving... 22:44 < MikeXpop> yup 22:45 < MikeXpop> hmm, how big is the resolution on the non-photo iPod? 22:45 < BleuLlama> 128x160 i believe 22:45 < courtc> non-photo and non-mini? yes 22:46 < MikeXpop> non-mini is lower right? 22:46 < BleuLlama> but with the header bar, it's 96x160 22:46 < BleuLlama> mini is, yes 22:46 < MikeXpop> which is why they don't use the OS9 font 22:46 < MikeXpop> which aggrivates me 22:47 < BleuLlama> http://www.cis.rit.edu/~sdlpci/Image/2005/01/screenres.html 22:48 < BleuLlama> 138x110 for mini 22:49 < MikeXpop> thanks for the link 22:49 -!- bLeW_ [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142163118226.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:49 < MikeXpop> they put Lynx there but not Game Gear? hmph 22:49 < BleuLlama> they = me 22:49 < BleuLlama> what's gamegear's res? (same as sega genesis, right?) 22:50 < MikeXpop> Don't think so 22:50 < MikeXpop> I've used a Nomad (handheld genesis) before, and it was definitely higher rez than my game gear 22:50 < BleuLlama> 160x144 22:51 < BleuLlama> for game gear 22:51 < MikeXpop> alright 22:51 < BleuLlama> wait. is that right? 22:51 < BleuLlama> it's the same as Gameboy. interesting 22:52 < MikeXpop> I doubt it 22:53 < BleuLlama> no. it is. 22:53 -!- WatsonLadd [~chatzilla@pool-70-18-175-44.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:53 < BleuLlama> just full color. 22:53 < BleuLlama> 4096 colors 22:53 < WatsonLadd> Has the slashdoting worn off yet? 22:53 < MikeXpop> hmph 22:54 < MikeXpop> that seems too small 22:54 < MikeXpop> but I guess you're right 22:55 < BleuLlama> i'm just going by specs that are published in a few places on the net 22:55 < MikeXpop> ditto 22:55 < BleuLlama> you can make up for low resolution with high color depth 22:55 < MikeXpop> I could dust mine off and start counting, haha 22:55 < BleuLlama> and you can make up for low res and low color depth with motion 22:55 < BleuLlama> ;) 22:55 -!- haunted_i [~haunted@64-219-238-25.ded.swbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:57 < MikeXpop> I still prefer my Game Gear to my gameboy 22:57 < MikeXpop> sure it ate 6 AA batteries in about 3 minutes, but it was awesome 22:57 < haunted_i> Advance SP: You can touch me...down there 22:58 < WatsonLadd> When is the temporary page coming off? 22:59 -!- rsbeq-cam [cameron@60hz.org] has joined #ipodlinux 22:59 < courtc> It should only be there if you link form /. 22:59 < rsbeq-cam> Hello! 22:59 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup411.ts001.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:59 < courtc> hello! 23:00 < MikeXpop> Hola! 23:00 < BleuLlama> i personally prefer the Atari Lynx... but i still enjoy my GBA. ;) 23:00 < rsbeq-cam> I thought I'd let you know that I'm probably going to have an immense deficiency of free time for a while, courtc 23:00 < courtc> :/ 23:00 < WatsonLadd> It is on whenerver I try to see the Ipod linux site. 23:01 < BleuLlama> WatsonLadd: it's you. retype the url and hit return 23:01 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:01 < courtc> well then you WatsonLadd have a referrer of /. 23:01 < rsbeq-cam> It's probably your or your ISP's cache, as BleuLlama says 23:02 < courtc> rsbeq-cam- hows the battery stuff coming? 23:02 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: Hmm! 23:02 < WatsonLadd> Did that. Also tried coral. 23:02 < courtc> Well, works fore everyone else :/ 23:03 < courtc> hind 23:03 < BleuLlama> EVERYONE ELSE. 23:03 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: Basically I talked with leachbj, and it seems pretty reasonable that we could add the stuff into the kernel, but I don't really have to time to do that at this point 23:03 < rsbeq-cam> WatsonLadd: Is it plugged in? 23:04 < WatsonLadd> How else am I reaching the internet? 23:04 < MikeXpop> skill? 23:04 < MikeXpop> that's how I do it 23:04 < rsbeq-cam> Watson, my ladd, the Internet works in strange ways 23:04 < rsbeq-cam> Nice, MikeXpop 23:05 < MikeXpop> thank you rsbeq-cam 23:05 < rsbeq-cam> you're welcome MikeXpop 23:05 < MikeXpop> yours wasn't so shabby either, rsbeq-cam 23:05 < rsbeq-cam> thank you MikeXpop 23:05 < WatsonLadd> Wait: You forgot to disable the browser cache on your "temporary" page. Rember nochache. 23:06 -!- WatsonLadd [~chatzilla@pool-70-18-175-44.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]"] 23:06 < rsbeq-cam> We're very sorry for that grevious error!! 23:06 < rsbeq-cam> ...I couldn't have just spelled that right 23:07 < MikeXpop> grievous? 23:07 < rsbeq-cam> Thanks 23:07 < BleuLlama> so type in the new url, and hold shift and click load. 23:07 < MikeXpop> I have to love cocoa's built in spell checker 23:07 < rsbeq-cam> I'm b---dy tired 23:07 < rsbeq-cam> What client are you using, MikeXpop ? 23:07 < BleuLlama> boldly? 23:07 < rsbeq-cam> No. b---dy 23:08 < MikeXpop> X-Chat Aqua 23:08 < BleuLlama> biirdy 23:08 < MikeXpop> actually, I guess that would make it carbon 23:08 < MikeXpop> oh well, it works anyway 23:08 < rsbeq-cam> I am unfortunately an irssi fan 23:08 < courtc> banady 23:08 < rsbeq-cam> BLOODY 23:09 < courtc> blowdy 23:09 < rsbeq-cam> bfffdy 23:09 < MikeXpop> ahhh 23:09 < rsbeq-cam> broody 23:09 < courtc> blogdy 23:09 -!- bLeW__ [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162160100.nl.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:09 < rsbeq-cam> This channel is not for wordplay and mathematics, folks. 23:09 < rsbeq-cam> Well, maybe mathematics at times. 23:10 < MikeXpop> damn, don't have fink 23:10 < courtc> mathematics? 23:10 < rsbeq-cam> Or maybe you just fink you don't have fink 23:10 * MikeXpop dies 23:10 < MikeXpop> that was awful 23:10 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah, courtc, like +-*/= 23:10 < rsbeq-cam> fank you, MikeXpop 23:10 < courtc> rsbeq-cam*(BleuLlama - MikeXpop ) = courtc 23:10 < BleuLlama> that doesn;t begin to make sense. 23:11 < rsbeq-cam> Does that equation have some deeper meaning? Or is it just complete nonsense? 23:11 * BleuLlama goes home 23:11 < courtc> you know me... It nonsensical 23:11 < MikeXpop> it's just sum product of his imagination 23:11 < courtc> bad 23:11 < MikeXpop> eh? 23:11 < MikeXpop> come on 23:11 < BleuLlama> "sum product" nice pun. :p 23:11 < MikeXpop> that was bloody brilliant 23:11 < MikeXpop> thank you, BleuLlama 23:11 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, MikeXpop, I think we were meant to exchange IRC puns together 23:11 < courtc> very bad 23:12 < MikeXpop> I had to get back at you for the 'fink' pun 23:13 < rsbeq-cam> suite, suite, revenge 23:14 < courtc> thats not even a pun 23:14 < rsbeq-cam> I know! 23:14 < MikeXpop> it's almost a pun 23:14 < rsbeq-cam> Any ideas? 23:14 < MikeXpop> Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? 23:15 < rsbeq-cam> I only have a tinkling of an idea who he is 23:16 < MikeXpop> bah 23:17 < MikeXpop> rsbeq-cam, I hear there are strangers living in your basement 23:17 < MikeXpop> of course, these are only roomers 23:18 < rsbeq-cam> That sounds like you got it somewhere else 23:18 < MikeXpop> >.> 23:18 < MikeXpop> well 23:18 < MikeXpop> there was nothing to play off of in your comment 23:19 -!- Grunt [~grunt@S0106000c413a1c49.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:20 < rsbeq-cam> thus you couldn't make a play on words 23:21 < MikeXpop> right 23:21 < MikeXpop> You know, I really want to go on public access 23:22 < MikeXpop> but I have no idea where to go or what to do 23:24 < rsbeq-cam> That wasn't a pun, was it... 23:26 < rsbeq-cam> What's Xpop? 23:30 < MikeXpop> Xpop is nothing 23:30 < MikeXpop> my screenname was originally Mikexpo 23:30 < rsbeq-cam> Then why aren't you just Mike? 23:30 < MikeXpop> but I signed up everywhere 23:31 < MikeXpop> then forgot all my passwords 23:31 < rsbeq-cam> Clever 23:31 < MikeXpop> so I signed up again with an extra P 23:31 < MikeXpop> and now I'm MikeXpop 23:31 < rsbeq-cam> Hah 23:31 < Grunt> Xpop: the X11 popsicle 23:31 < Grunt> ;p 23:32 < rsbeq-cam> ugh 23:32 < rsbeq-cam> that's xpopr6 23:33 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup411.ts001.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 23:34 < Grunt> xpop.org 23:34 < Grunt> xpopf86 23:38 < courtc> *groan 23:38 * rsbeq-cam whips out a shotgun 23:39 -!- tucanoj [~tucanoj@108.120.cm.sunflower.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 23:40 * rsbeq-cam puts it away 23:40 < Grunt> ... 23:41 < courtc> speaking of shotguns... time for some duke3d ;) biab 23:42 * Grunt muhahahahahs. 23:45 < MikeXpop> well, I'm off to do homework 23:45 < MikeXpop> bye all 23:45 -!- MikeXpop [~MikeXpop@h00039322818a.ne.client2.attbi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:46 < rsbeq-cam> Alright, well, i'm out too 23:46 < rsbeq-cam> ciao 23:46 -!- rsbeq-cam [cameron@60hz.org] has quit ["baah"] 23:54 < haunted_i> I'm still here...eagerly awaiting 4G support...NOT THAT I'M INQUIRING PLEASE NO BOOT ME 23:54 < haunted_i> *cough* 23:55 * Grunt morphs into a grue and eats haunted_i. --- Log closed Wed Feb 02 00:00:00 2005