--- Log opened Mon Jan 31 00:00:02 2005 00:00 -!- Grunt [~grunt@S0106000c413a1c49.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:00 < Wammy> i can do surround sound 00:00 < Wammy> dah wrong window 00:01 -!- OPP [OPP@adsl-69-208-202-183.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:01 < OPP> hello 00:01 -!- OPP [OPP@adsl-69-208-202-183.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:09 < normalperson> I saw the wrong window part, but is the ipod hardware capable of doing surround sound? 00:09 < normalperson> since FLAC supports it, and mpd should, too 00:10 < normalperson> but of course I've optimized things for 16-bit 2-channel for now 00:11 < courtc> Outputting it would be interesting 00:12 < normalperson> some firewire to spdif hack, maybe :) 00:15 -!- bLeW_ [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162188070.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:15 < courtc> flac has metadata readable by mpd as artist/album/title, correct? 00:16 < normalperson> yes, year and genre are in mainline, I'll merge that in at some point 00:16 < normalperson> but those two are hard to deal with... 00:17 -!- Sco0t [Sco0t@cpc4-shet2-5-0-cust200.renf.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:17 < normalperson> Set the Ray to Jerry: released in 1996, but written around 1993-ish 00:17 < normalperson> and genre, oh man... 00:17 < courtc> bah, I think we can live without those for now.. 00:17 < normalperson> and there's also re-releases and such 00:17 < normalperson> artist, title, track number, and album, I guess 00:18 < normalperson> don't forget track number 00:18 < normalperson> a good number of my tracks were track##.cdda.flac for a long time 00:18 < courtc> yep, order by tracknumber is essential.. 00:18 < normalperson> until I discovered abcde \o/ 00:19 < normalperson> hmm.. mpd has some trouble on the ipod with seeking 00:19 < courtc> ok.. it doesnt work at all? 00:20 < normalperson> no, it's just slow and sometimes skips for a few seconds right after 00:20 < normalperson> the slow part is hard to deal with, but the skipping I can fix 00:21 < courtc> well, slow can be compensated for with the interface.. 00:21 < normalperson> using the state file (not enabled by default) can also crash it right now, but I have a (nasty gross hack) workaround 00:21 < normalperson> how fast is seeking with the apple fw? 00:22 < courtc> not very, but I think it accelerates.. 00:22 < normalperson> if you were listening to a 60 meg wave file, and seeked to nearly the end of it from 10 seconds into the song 00:23 < normalperson> about the state file, at least I *think* I have a workaround 00:23 < normalperson> haven't tried it 00:23 < courtc> the disk would spin up and itd be a couple seconds... 00:23 < normalperson> ah ok 00:23 < normalperson> same deal here 00:24 < normalperson> what about skipping forward, say 20 songs on your playlist? 00:24 < courtc> same deal.. 00:24 < normalperson> ok 00:25 < normalperson> <-- knows less about the apple firmware than n00bs here know about Linux 00:25 < courtc> haha 00:25 < davidc__> haha, courtc knows an imaginary numver 00:26 * davidc__ is away: I'm busy 00:26 < davidc__> er, /away 00:26 * davidc__ is back (gone 00:00:09) 00:26 < davidc__> damnit 00:26 < davidc__> I can never remember which I'm in 00:26 < courtc> huh, numver? 00:26 < davidc__> mumber5 00:26 < davidc__> gah 00:26 < davidc__> number 00:26 < normalperson> davidc__: just stop using /away :) 00:27 < courtc> uhh.. I still dont get it... 00:27 < davidc__> never mind 00:27 < davidc__> it was about how much normalperson knows about apple firmware 00:29 < courtc> ok.. I'm just gonna give it an obligatory laugh.. because I still dont understand...: hahaha 00:29 < normalperson> really, the only time I used it was to make sure sound worked on my ipod when I first got it 00:30 < normalperson> I'm also not sure about performance differences between fat32/hfs+/ext3 (mounted read-only) 00:31 < normalperson> I only used ext2/3 on my ipod 00:31 < normalperson> s/I/I've/ 00:32 -!- bLeW [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162188070.nl.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:33 -!- leto [~oli@carnot-1-81-57-13-34.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:37 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #iPodLinux [] 00:38 < coob> normalperson did you write a simple mpdc for podzilla? 00:39 -!- Serotine [manifesto@dial-62-64-208-136.access.uk.tiscali.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:39 < courtc> yes 00:40 < courtc> but the name mpdc is mine meany 00:40 < courtc> just because I'm not terribly creative :/ 00:41 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD953236D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:44 < zer0python> what's the /sbin/ip utility packaged with? anyone know? 00:47 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD953236D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:49 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-67-77-2-251.sta.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:56 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has quit [] 01:00 < eelriver> Well, I got a working ipodlinux. Cool. Now to figure out what to do with it. 01:00 < Grunt> eelriver: play music? :) 01:01 < eelriver> First I've got to figure outhow to get out of the 1970's 01:02 < courtc> w/e dude.. 1979 was the coolest.. 01:02 < courtc> ;) 01:03 < eelriver> I guess I need to do that on the Apple side 01:03 < courtc> if you have a 3g ipod you can adjust with the apple firmware.. 01:03 < courtc> Otherwise you're pretty screwed... 01:03 < eelriver> nope 15G 01:04 < courtc> 3g as in 3rd gen 01:04 < eelriver> I guess I've got to get with the secret ipodlinux lingo 01:04 < courtc> :) 01:05 < davidc__> the cabal lives again. 01:05 < eelriver> How can I display my hostname? 01:05 < courtc> haha! 01:05 < Grunt> davidc__: TINC! 01:05 < davidc__> sledgehammer. 01:07 < davidc__> Grunt: [there actually is, but you don't knwo about it] 01:07 < courtc> hostname_cmd = strrchr(str, " "); hostname_cmd+strlen(str)='\0'; 01:08 < courtc> doh srtlen(hostname_cmd)* 01:08 < courtc> i give up 01:11 < Grunt> davidc__, those that most vehemently deny the cabal are those that are in it. 01:11 < Grunt> Err, I mean, TINC! 01:11 * Grunt looks shiftily back and forth 01:11 < davidc__> courtc: hhahahahaha, he thinks he 01:11 < davidc__> er 01:11 < davidc__> that was a privmsg 01:11 < davidc__> ignore 01:12 < courtc> shush davidc__ 01:13 < Grunt> who says there's not more than...uh...er... 01:13 < Grunt> TINC! :P 01:17 < josh_> I saw on the 4G wikipodlinux page, that Linux booted (though nothing except the piezo and fb worked) and source is available in CVS. I want to hack on this a bit; I'm building a uclinux-2.4.24-uc0-ipod2 kernel, and I don't know where said source-to-boot-on-4Gs is. Any pointers? 01:19 < courtc> yes, i like *ptr myself, but other goodies are *buf, *tmp, *ahh, *superman, and of course *davidc__ 01:20 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-v courtc ] by davidc__ 01:20 < davidc__> deference me will you! 01:20 < courtc> haha 01:21 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v courtc ] by davidc__ 01:22 < josh_> courtc: seriously, is the code nilss got to boot on 4Gs available online? I want to hack it a bit. 01:22 < davidc__> not yet.. its very unstable 01:23 < davidc__> and crashes immediatly 01:23 < davidc__> talk to leachbj 01:23 < josh_> ah, ok 01:23 < davidc__> you might be able to get a copy 01:23 < josh_> ok, I'll do that when he pops in here 01:23 < muesli> i want to help, too 01:24 < davidc__> [8 hours] 01:25 < josh_> fun 01:25 < davidc__> well, leachbj is the only one with the source atm 01:25 < josh_> compiling uclinux-2.4.24-uc0-ipod2: `cc1: error: invalid option `no-fpu'' 01:26 < Grunt> ... 01:26 < josh_> davidc__: ok, thanks for the *ptr 01:26 < Grunt> what if it's really a **ptr? ;) 01:26 < josh_> or a std::auto_ptr ? 01:27 < josh_> :-) 01:29 * Grunt grins. 01:30 < josh_> an auto_ptr is probably too much overhead for an iPod though 01:31 < courtc> I can't believe that it was me that started this subject :/ 01:31 < Grunt> courtc: bwahahahahaha. 01:32 < josh_> btw, are C++ libs even available in the iPodLinux environment? 01:33 -!- bizfish [~bizfish@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:8000:0:50e4:373d] has joined #ipodlinux 01:33 < bizfish> hi is this the officiahl chanel for linux on ipod??/ 01:34 < guruz_> yes. 01:34 < josh_> yes 01:35 < courtc> no 01:36 < courtc> thats over in #ipodlinuxfor4gisstillnotsupportedyousilly 01:36 < guruz_> :P 01:37 -!- bizfish [~bizfish@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:8000:0:50e4:373d] has left #ipodlinux ["not in that tone please sir"] 01:38 < davidc__> haha 01:38 < veteran> the slashdotters are fading away 01:38 < josh_> any iPL kernel hackers: in Linux .config, there are four memory params. DRAM_BASE I know is 0x1000000 for 4G, but what is FLASH_MEM_BASE? On 1/2/3G it seems to work fine at 0x10000000, but that obviously won't be it on 4G. Should I just set it to 0xffffffff or something? 01:39 < davidc__> er, its.. hrm 01:39 < courtc> have you tried fs 9.7 ? it says it has an updated registration system.. 01:39 < davidc__> check the wiki 01:39 < davidc__> I think its on there.... 01:39 < courtc> err.. veteran ^ 01:40 < veteran> ? 01:40 < courtc> flyspray 01:40 < josh_> the wiki is where I got 10000000, but other than that all it has is 'fast ram' and 'cache control', neither of which seems to be looked for. 01:40 -!- veteran [~b@70.84.20.244] has quit ["ARGHHHHHHH"] 01:41 < josh_> for comparison, the 1/2/3G have the fast ram and cache control in the same spot as the 4G 01:41 < courtc> hmm.. guess that didnt go over well.. 01:41 < josh_> the SDRAM base is different, toh 01:41 < josh_> *tho 01:42 < josh_> I'll try ffffffff/00000000 for flash addr/size 01:42 < josh_> or I could just be patient and see what leachbj used :-) 01:48 < davidc__> josh_: its slightly more complex then that 01:49 < davidc__> the irq layout changed 01:49 < davidc__> all the register addrs 01:49 < davidc__> and bit layouts 01:49 < davidc__> etc 01:49 < davidc__> its not just plug-in-info on the wiki 01:49 < davidc__> there are a lot of other changes 01:51 < josh_> ok 01:58 -!- zer0python [~zer0pytho@zer0python.user] has quit ["brb"] 02:03 -!- KuroiShi [~KuroiShi@adsl-68-255-19-154.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:21 -!- eelriver [~murp@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:29 -!- josh_ [~josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:29 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Operation timed out] 02:34 -!- darkonc [~samuel@d216-232-199-40.bchsia.telus.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10"] 02:39 -!- M3wThr33 [~x@c-24-22-170-220.client.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:41 -!- veteran [~b@70.84.20.244] has joined #ipodlinux 02:41 -!- veteran [~b@70.84.20.244] has quit [Client Quit] 02:58 -!- XVirus [~cvirus@62.135.96.3] has joined #ipodlinux 03:02 -!- muesli [~muesli@mail.muehlhaeuser.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:03 -!- muesli [~muesli@mail.muehlhaeuser.de] has joined #ipodlinux 03:10 -!- haunted_i [~haunted_i@64-219-238-25.ded.swbell.net] has quit ["Apple users are like Marines; a small, elite group with the most sophisticated technology"] 03:10 -!- froop [~wossname@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca] has quit ["does anybody read these things"] 03:12 -!- CVirus [~cvirus@82.201.174.252] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:14 -!- Grunt is now known as GruntWillBBL 03:16 -!- Gargamale [gargamale@dhcp024-160-196-177.ma.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:18 -!- XVirus [~cvirus@62.135.96.3] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:27 -!- josh_ [~josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:32 -!- GruntWillBBL is now known as Grunt 03:38 -!- monkeyman_ [~chatzilla@alb-24-194-138-150.nycap.rr.com] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"] 03:47 -!- azz- [azzkicker@adsl-068-209-101-169.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:47 < azz-> where is it that i replace the boot images? 04:03 -!- tucanoj [~tucanoj@108.120.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:03 < davidc__> Tuscany. 04:04 < azz-> cool 04:04 < azz-> whats the image resolution that will fit? 04:04 < BleuLlama> four 04:06 -!- nilss [nils@pD95D3C18.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:06 -!- nilss_ [nils@pD95D3B45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:06 -!- nilss_ is now known as nilss 04:06 < BleuLlama> nilss 04:06 < azz-> 93 by something 04:06 < davidc__> -i 04:06 < BleuLlama> just grab the windows app, or google for it. 04:07 < courtc> i=i++; // AHH 04:08 < davidc__> courtc, i as in i from math, not from coding 04:08 < KuroiShi> haha 04:08 < courtc> d'oh 04:11 -!- mtqh [~chatzilla@dsl093-001-038.det1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:11 < BleuLlama> i prefer 'e', myself 04:12 < BleuLlama> or Avogadro's number. 04:12 < BleuLlama> 6.02x10^23 04:13 -!- uriahheep [~alexis@Ottawa-HSE-ppp4068293.sympatico.ca] has left #ipodlinux [] 04:13 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 04:15 < courtc> <-- lost 04:15 < BleuLlama> <-- figuring out crap to do with his Hipster PDA 04:16 < courtc> I just wrore some code up, and I cant recall what I was gonna do with it... 04:16 < courtc> Or what it was ment to do. :/ 04:16 < BleuLlama> been there 04:17 < BleuLlama> it's even scarier when you write a chunk of code, then build it, and test it, and not only does it build with few to no errors, but it works perfectly the first time. 04:17 < davidc__> haha.. i have a bunch of ipod code from the pre-ipodlinux days... 04:17 < davidc__> I dunno what the hell it does... 04:17 < BleuLlama> and the strangest thing about that is that is how we should expect to write it. heh 04:18 < BleuLlama> i've written a bunch of code, even documented it, then come back to it months later, and had to comment it out, because i didn't know what it did, why it did it, or why i wrote it. heh 04:19 < courtc> yea, I've done that.. 04:19 < courtc> but I wrote this code 5 min ago.. 04:19 < BleuLlama> oh 04:19 < BleuLlama> lol 04:19 -!- josh_ [~josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:26 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:33 -!- CompotatoJ [~jeff@66-27-127-145.san.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:35 -!- Sliversto [~thebass@adsl-69-109-237-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:35 -!- CompotatoJ [~jeff@24-25-221-94.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:35 < Sliversto> hello 04:35 < Sliversto> it's the guy with the remote problems 04:35 < BleuLlama> i have local problems. 04:35 < Sliversto> (as in far away!? hahah... or not 04:35 < nonesuch> what do you mean remote problems? 04:35 < Sliversto> well 04:36 < Sliversto> I've talked to a few ppl so far 04:36 < Sliversto> because 04:36 < Sliversto> I can't succesfully run the script to use the wired remote on linux 04:36 < Sliversto> it says that there is no such file as inputattach 04:37 < nonesuch> is this the idirect thing? 04:37 < Sliversto> indirect thing? 04:37 < Sliversto> what do u mean? 04:37 < courtc> the script contains what Sliversto 04:38 < Sliversto> oh 04:38 < Sliversto> crap 04:39 < Sliversto> I tried posting it and the mirc thought i was giving commands! 04:39 < Sliversto> .... /sbin/inputattach -ipod /dev/ttyS0 &.... 04:39 < Sliversto> (igonre the dots 04:39 < Sliversto> fooling the program 04:39 < Sliversto> actually the /sbin/ part wasn't there originall 04:39 < Sliversto> but it was suggested that I tell it the adress 04:41 -!- CompotatoJ [~jeff@24-25-221-94.san.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:47 < Sliversto> and it says stuff about how child died 04:47 < Sliversto> when I run the scripts 04:48 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas@210-54-99-221.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 04:48 < Sliversto> I think if I could access the linux files I could work it 04:48 < Sliversto> does anyone else have windows? 04:48 < Jonas_NZ> Sliversto, yes i do why 04:49 < Sliversto> can you, on your comp, see the linux program files and such? 04:49 < Jonas_NZ> where, on a linux partition 04:49 < Jonas_NZ> ? 04:50 < Sliversto> can you access them on your comp at all? 04:50 -!- Squee [Squee@66.227.212.33.tvc.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:51 < Jonas_NZ> well, if you use ext2explore then yes 04:52 -!- Grunt [~grunt@grunt.wikipedia] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:52 < Sliversto> what is ext2explore? 04:54 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:03 < Jonas_NZ> google it 05:03 -!- zer0python [~zer0pytho@zer0python.user] has joined #ipodlinux 05:07 < Sliversto> doing 05:07 < Sliversto> but I get few results 05:08 < Jonas_NZ> Luke: you here? 05:08 < Luke> yea 05:08 < Luke> just got back 05:08 < Luke> whtasup 05:11 < Sliversto> I mean, english 05:11 < Sliversto> the first 4 are german 05:11 < Jonas_NZ> 1 sec ill give you a URL 05:12 < Jonas_NZ> my bad i gave you the wrong name 05:12 < Jonas_NZ> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm 05:13 < Sliversto> does it work on xp? 05:13 < Jonas_NZ> yeah 05:15 < Jonas_NZ> cyaz l8r 05:15 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas@210-54-99-221.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:17 -!- tucanoj [~tucanoj@108.120.cm.sunflower.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 05:18 < Sliversto> wait jonas_nz!!! 05:18 < Sliversto> noo... 05:22 -!- Sliversto [~thebass@adsl-69-109-237-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [] 05:23 -!- xlogk24 [~xlogk24@ip91.quarters-memorial.hou.ygnition.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:24 -!- xlogk24 [~xlogk24@ip91.quarters-memorial.hou.ygnition.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 05:25 -!- toor [~sterling@67-138-137-160.br1.fod.ia.frontiernet.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:29 < Gent> http://www.dotink.org/~gent/content/output.mpg -- xcompmgr crashes at the end and you can't see the cursor, but check out the OS X dock functionality I built in my fvwm scripts 05:30 -!- bLeW [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162188070.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:31 -!- bLeW_ [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162188070.nl.aliant.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:33 < courtc> If only composites were realistic in a destop environment on X 05:33 < Gent> courtc, did that movie play ok for you? 05:33 < Gent> aside from frequent crashing they're fine over here 05:33 < courtc> yea, but no mouse cursor :/ 05:33 < Gent> I know... 05:34 < Gent> what'd you play it with? other people are having problems 05:34 < courtc> yes, but frequent crashing is not very... good 05:34 < courtc> mplayer 05:34 < Gent> everyone else's mplayer must suck 05:34 < Gent> mine works, yours works... 05:34 < Gent> awell 05:34 < Gent> it doesn't crash X though 05:35 < Gent> just xcompmgr crashes 05:35 < Gent> and the shadows disappear 05:35 -!- nusse_ [nusse@pD95245AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:35 < courtc> hmm.. when I set it up a while ago xcompmgr was really buggy.. and it was much too slow for normal use.. 05:36 < Gent> courtc, what drivers you use? it's really dependent on good drivers 05:36 < Gent> NVidia's official ones work good with it 05:36 < Gent> just as fast, if not faster/smoother than regular X 05:36 < courtc> I might have been using apgart drivers :/ 05:37 < courtc> of course I need a new video card as well.. 05:38 < courtc> I'm still using a geforce 3 ti200 05:48 -!- nusse [nusse@pD9E0458E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:10 -!- KuroiShi [~KuroiShi@adsl-68-255-19-154.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:17 < normalperson> courtc: any mpdc updates? 06:18 < courtc> yes.. 06:18 < courtc> nothing of import though 06:18 < Synapse-> hm. 06:18 -!- stick_figure [~stick_fig@dsl093-166-013.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:19 < courtc> just redoing some of the functions, I'm trying to figure out how the menu system can be powerful yet simple... 06:19 < normalperson> courtc: cool 06:20 < normalperson> I'm going to try and speed up seeking 06:20 < courtc> nice.. 06:20 < BleuLlama> courtc: factor out commonality. 06:21 < courtc> I havent been able to do too much today.. the power was out for most of it.. 06:21 < normalperson> ouch :/ 06:28 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:49 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas@210-54-99-244.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 06:58 -!- xemile [~emil@h81172212116.kund.kommunicera.umea.se] has quit [] 07:07 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:07 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:21 -!- Gent [~gent@h00095b09aae8.ne.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:23 -!- Gent [~gent@h00095b09aae8.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 07:23 < Gent> join #fvwm 07:23 < Gent> damnit 07:23 * BleuLlama hands gent a / 07:23 * BleuLlama hands gent a / 07:23 < courtc> dont be telling me where to join.. ;) 07:24 < Gent> FVWM owns you! 07:24 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:25 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 07:38 * bLeW is away: away 07:41 -!- chivar [~q@210.213.182.25] has joined #ipodlinux 07:41 < chivar> ! 07:41 < chivar> anyone here 07:41 < chivar> !ping #ipodlinux 07:41 < Gent> uhhhh 07:41 < Gent> yes 07:42 < courtc> :sterling.freenode.net PONG sterling.freenode.net :LAG2494498178 07:43 < chivar> hmm i've cames across this site regarding linux on ipod? 07:43 < chivar> hmm i've cames across this site regarding linux on ipod 07:43 < chivar> is it safe? 07:43 < coob> is crossing a road safe. 07:43 < courtc> is an axe safe? 07:43 < coob> i've not heard of anyone irrevocably frying their ipod. 07:44 < coob> goddamnit i swear there's an is it safe question on the faq 07:44 * normalperson doesn't feel safe on IRC 07:45 < chivar> !?! 07:45 < courtc> Ots less safe to ask questions in here that can be found on the wiki or in the forums 07:45 < normalperson> some people I talk to on IRC could be serial killers or something 07:45 < courtc> like me! 07:45 < courtc> I mean.. like uhh.. davidc__ 07:46 < normalperson> heh 07:46 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/FAQ#What_if_something_goes_wrong.3F 07:46 < coob> there 07:46 < coob> learn to read please. 07:57 < chivar> ok 07:58 < chivar> ive installed linux using the win32 07:58 < chivar> now how do i install some app? 08:02 < courtc> Illiterate? Write today, for free help! 08:06 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas@210-54-99-244.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:08 -!- chivar [~q@210.213.182.25] has quit [] 08:17 < ryanlrussell> Thats funny 08:17 < ryanlrussell> He can get it installed in just under 12 minutes, but can't figure out anything beyond that... 08:28 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:36 < normalperson> rofl 08:38 < normalperson> bah, proper seeking is going to take more than this 08:38 < normalperson> I'll do it tomorrow night, or the night after 08:39 < normalperson> it's not like I have UI support for it yet 08:39 < courtc> :/ 08:40 < normalperson> because right now I'm reading files into the buffer from two threads/tasks 08:40 < normalperson> I should dedicate one to it 08:42 < normalperson> gah, was sash/sh supposed to be in /etc/rc or is that loaded automatically? 08:42 < normalperson> (when I'm not running podzilla) 08:43 < courtc> it goes in /etc/rc if you're using it from the ipod.. telnet'll start up its own... 08:44 < courtc> or you can get to it by giving the init process an error code.. 'false' does just that 08:46 < normalperson> ah ok 08:46 < normalperson> thanks 08:47 < courtc> yup.. 09:31 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB7C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:31 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 09:31 < courtc> heya 09:31 < leachbj> mornin' 09:32 < ryanlrussell> SO, is there an updated place where I can get the HW addresses for the PP5020? :) 09:33 < leachbj> the wiki? 09:34 < ryanlrussell> I've gotten some there... fixed a couple of tiny items. 09:34 < Gent> leachbj, I see you finally started using my color remake of the logo ;) 09:34 < ryanlrussell> I still keep seeing addresses that I was hoping someone had figured out... 09:35 < leachbj> Gent: yeah new website updated logo :) 09:35 < leachbj> what addresses? 09:36 < ryanlrussell> Lemme grab a couple of examples... 09:36 < ryanlrussell> (these would be for a min, BTW) 09:37 < ryanlrussell> mini 09:38 < ryanlrussell> You've got: 09:38 < ryanlrussell> 0x7000A000 config 09:38 < ryanlrussell> listed a piezo 09:38 < ryanlrussell> I'm seeing 0x7000A010 09:38 < ryanlrussell> Output, instead of config? 09:39 < leachbj> not sure, sofar I've only used that one register for the piezo... but it might have more 09:39 < leachbj> where is that reference? 09:39 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:39 < ryanlrussell> bootloader 09:39 < leachbj> (i haven't looked into the piezo in bootloader or diagnostic...) 09:40 < ryanlrussell> Are the IDE register functions documented in the kernel source? 09:40 < leachbj> which IDE registers (kernel source == linux src?) 09:41 < ryanlrussell> I see a couple of sections that are very clearly writing to the IDE device, and reading, etc.. 09:41 < ryanlrussell> Perhaps I should say device driver, rather than kernel. 09:42 < ryanlrussell> And I can see a bunch of IDE registers used.. 09:42 < ryanlrussell> just curious if those are documented 09:42 < leachbj> i'm still working on IDE but have it mostly worked out. 09:42 < ryanlrussell> 0x70000030 09:43 < ryanlrussell> No idea what that one is... 09:44 < leachbj> yeah the 0x70000000 range is a bit hard to work out... seems to have some configuration stuff. 09:44 < ryanlrussell> I wasn't intending to quiz you on every address... :) 09:44 < leachbj> mostly I dont worry too much about those strange registers, if they are config then its _probably_ done in the bootloader 09:44 -!- jfontan [~jfontan@pc3d.cesga.es] has joined #ipodlinux 09:44 < ryanlrussell> rather, I was wondering if some of the stuff not on the wiki page has been encapsulated in code or something 09:44 < leachbj> and so the kernel doesnt need to do it again 09:45 < ryanlrussell> k 09:45 < ryanlrussell> Yes, clearly a lot of it is initialization stuff 09:45 < leachbj> no the wiki has more on it than I have code for (well, I have some usb and firewire guesses but they don't really matter at this point) 09:46 < ryanlrussell> ok, I'll try and start keeping a list of stuff I can't figure out, then 09:46 < leachbj> ok cool... 09:47 < leachbj> oh I also have stuff for the photo lcd (i dont think thats on the wiki) 09:47 < ryanlrussell> There were a couple of small things.. 09:47 < leachbj> which hardware do you have? 09:47 < ryanlrussell> I have a mini 09:48 < leachbj> ok cool. I'm still having problems with IDE on the mini... hopefully will get that sorted out today 09:49 < ryanlrussell> I saw some brief mentions of that on the dev channel 09:49 < leachbj> yeah Thijs tested it his mini but no joy... 09:50 < ryanlrussell> Well, I believe I have the chunks in the bootloader that are reading and writing blocks, if that helps. 09:50 < leachbj> its more the interrupt handling that is the problem... but I think I've found the code I need now... 09:51 < ryanlrussell> OK 09:52 < ryanlrussell> Alright, well I'm off to sleep then 09:52 < ryanlrussell> Nite all (idling) 09:52 < leachbj> night then. 10:16 -!- Mayoral [ask@200.Red-80-26-118.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:22 -!- jfontan [~jfontan@pc3d.cesga.es] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:22 -!- jfontan [~jfontan@pc3d.cesga.es] has joined #ipodlinux 10:27 -!- [CLM]carote [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ipodlinux [] 10:30 -!- conufsed [~conufsed@dsl-202-173-189-172.qld.westnet.com.au] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:45 -!- jfontan [~jfontan@pc3d.cesga.es] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:46 -!- jfontan [~jfontan@pc3d.cesga.es] has joined #ipodlinux 10:47 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:50 -!- eelriverlt [~murph@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net] has left #ipodlinux ["When in danger, or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!"] 11:30 < Exion> has any of the changes for 4g been merged into the cvs ? I can't see any major changes the last months in the sf cvs for ipodlinux that contains any of the 4g work that has been done... 11:34 < leachbj> Exion: only the framebuffer changes are in 11:38 < Exion> oki 11:39 < Exion> have anyone found the test point for jtag on the ipod mini ? 11:39 < Exion> test points even 11:39 < leachbj> i'll have a look through my current diff to see if anymore can go in though 11:39 < Exion> nice :) 11:39 < leachbj> jtag, not that I know of... 11:40 < Exion> oki. have you found it for any of the ipod generations at all ? 11:40 < leachbj> nope, never looked though. 11:41 < Exion> oki. maybe I'll disect my mini and have a look. 11:41 < Exion> would be good to make a rescue method 11:41 < leachbj> rescue? 11:42 < Exion> if you play with the bootloader 11:42 < Exion> and also good to do hardware debuging. 11:42 < leachbj> i dont play with the bootloader ;) but you're right it should be good for hardware debugging 11:43 < Exion> it's very interesting how it will work tought. since there are two arm cpus in the SoC. 11:43 < Exion> :) 11:43 -!- Novicane [Novicane@h139.182.40.162.ip.alltel.net] has quit [] 11:58 < normalperson> leachbj: opening /dev/mixer twice is a bad idea 11:59 < normalperson> absolutely kills mpd performance 11:59 < normalperson> grr... 4am, I need to sleep 11:59 < courtc> why would you do that? 11:59 < normalperson> courtc: I was testing a volume control thing 11:59 < normalperson> and mpd opens /dev/mixer alreadh 12:00 < courtc> really? hmm.. the whole time its open? 12:01 < normalperson> yeah 12:01 < courtc> ouch.. 12:01 < leachbj> normalperson: yeah it probably shouldn't be opened twice... 12:01 < normalperson> ok 12:02 < normalperson> gr... playlist loading is broken in mpd atm 12:02 < leachbj> actually opening it twice shouldnt do anything... 12:02 < leachbj> static int ipod_mixer_open(struct inode *inode, struct file *filep) 12:02 < leachbj> { 12:02 < leachbj> return 0; 12:02 < leachbj> } 12:03 < normalperson> weird 12:04 < leachbj> ioctls from two different threads might not be a good idea though. 12:05 < leachbj> btw: I saw that you had the other (all?) compression levels for flac working? what changes did you make? 12:06 < normalperson> leachbj: yeah, all the standard ones, at least 12:06 < normalperson> I haven't tried the insane settings 12:06 < normalperson> but I optimized one loop in mpd, and several in libFLAC 12:06 < normalperson> still not completely happy with one of them 12:06 < leachbj> C optimisations? 12:06 < normalperson> yes 12:06 < leachbj> cool 12:07 < normalperson> I wanted to use ldm* in some places, but I still had that problem 12:10 -!- Mayoral [ask@200.Red-80-26-118.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps"] 12:33 < nilss> re 12:34 < leachbj> hi nilss, looks like our IDE breadthrough wasnt quite right for the mini :( 12:34 < nilss> :/ 12:34 < leachbj> but I did a bit more RE and maybe I've found something... I'm just cleaning up some code then we can test on the 4g... if it still works there maybe it will fix the mini problem... 12:41 < Squee> :D 12:41 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57732.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:42 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57732.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:50 -!- pokute [~pokute@73.155.39-62.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:56 -!- pokute [~pokute@73.155.39-62.rev.gaoland.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 13:05 < leachbj> nilss, can you test the new version 13:05 < leachbj> ? 13:07 < nilss> sry, i'm busy, i can test it in about a hour 13:07 < leachbj> np.. just give me a ping on dev when you're ready 13:20 < macPod> leach the new beta sems fine on sf 13:20 < macPod> podzilla that is :) 13:20 < leachbj> cool 13:31 -!- paryl [~chatzilla@216-201-177-90.res.logixcom.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:32 -!- paryl [~chatzilla@216-201-177-90.res.logixcom.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:36 -!- Exion [~jon@airplane1.suphammer.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:04 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:17 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EEAC40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:17 -!- RichiH [richih@richih.staff.freenode] has joined #ipodlinux 14:17 < RichiH> nilss: nice idea 14:22 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:28 -!- Grunt [~grunt@S0106000c413a1c49.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:38 -!- kjames [~kjames@h00062563dd61.ne.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:38 -!- Exion [~jon@airplane1.suphammer.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:40 -!- Grunt [~grunt@grunt.wikipedia] has quit ["bbl"] 14:46 -!- leachbj_ [~leachbj@pD9EAB13F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:46 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB7C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:46 -!- leachbj_ is now known as leachbj 14:46 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 14:50 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:58 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:58 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 14:59 < leachbj> hey davidc__ 15:06 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:08 -!- Kapsel [~efnet@ip124.ds1-rd.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 15:18 -!- tlg [~tlg@76.162-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 15:18 < leachbj> hey tlg... 15:19 < tlg> 'lo ;) 15:19 < tlg> back from a ski week ... 15:19 < leachbj> cool, probably a good (cold) week for it! 15:20 < nilss> lol got a mail from someone who hacks his siemens s45 mobile phone and he says he can make it play sounds but nothing else ;) 15:21 < tlg> leachbj: -15°C 15:21 < tlg> feeling like -30°C @ 40km/h on the slopes 15:21 < leachbj> hey macPod, you about? 15:21 < leachbj> I bet! 15:23 < tlg> so what's up on the ipod/linux front since last week 15:23 < leachbj> nilss' piezo story got slashdotted ;) 15:24 < leachbj> bit of progress on getting IDE working on 4g 15:24 < tlg> good ;) 15:26 < leachbj> but now I cant get my 3g kernel to work :( 15:27 < tlg> and I forgot my iPod in switzeland 15:27 < tlg> got to wait 1 month before I got it back 15:27 < tlg> *get 15:27 < leachbj> 1 month!... are they shipping it by camel? 15:27 < tlg> :) 15:28 < tlg> no 15:28 < tlg> I have to wait until someone actually go there to pick it up 15:28 < leachbj> bummer 15:29 < tlg> yeah ... :( (ipod + digital camera in the same bag) 15:29 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps..."] 15:34 -!- elinenbe [~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225] has joined #ipodlinux 15:36 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:42 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:44 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has joined #ipodlinux 15:47 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB13F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 15:50 -!- bLeW_ [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162191097.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:55 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:58 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB13F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:58 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 15:59 -!- flanagan [o@85.137.50.189] has left #ipodlinux [] 15:59 -!- bLeW [~blew@stjhnf01bb8-142162188070.nl.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:21 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:23 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has joined #ipodlinux 16:29 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:29 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EEAC40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:38 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:53 -!- borism_ [~boris@cl-28.tll-01.ee.sixxs.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:58 -!- fakker [~m0n0@fakking.fabolo.us] has joined #ipodlinux 17:02 -!- borism [~boris@cl-28.tll-01.ee.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:02 -!- m0rbidini [~bleh@a212-113-184-49.netcabo.pt] has joined #ipodlinux 17:07 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps..."] 17:07 < m0rbidini> hello 17:08 < leachbj> hi 17:08 < m0rbidini> I don't have an ipod myself, but I'd like to know what the current status of ogg vorbis playback in it. 17:08 < m0rbidini> still ~80% realtime? 17:09 < leachbj> yes, unfortunately my efforts to make it go faster havent worked out... 17:09 < m0rbidini> did you try tremor? 17:10 < m0rbidini> i would also would like to know if anyone tried to play musepack files with ipodlinux 17:10 < leachbj> yes this is using tremor low memory branch 17:11 < m0rbidini> musepack is supposedly very fast decoding 17:11 < m0rbidini> not supposedly, but I don't know if in a portable it would be the fastest, as it is with PCs 17:11 < leachbj> i think I tried that but it wasnt realtime 17:12 < m0rbidini> ok, thanks 17:13 < m0rbidini> btw, did you use libmusepack? 17:14 < m0rbidini> portable Musepack decoder library 17:14 < leachbj> that doesnt sound familiar... 17:14 < m0rbidini> http://files.musepack.net/source/libmusepack-1.1.tar.bz2 17:14 < leachbj> try searching our forums, I think I posted something (it was quite some time ago) 17:14 < m0rbidini> yeah, I tried :P 17:14 < leachbj> ah ok... 17:15 < m0rbidini> but the site is still with the temp page 17:15 < leachbj> ? 17:15 < m0rbidini> http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page 17:15 < m0rbidini> at least here 17:15 < leachbj> ummm? try refreshing your cache maybe. 17:16 < m0rbidini> lemme try with IE :o 17:16 < m0rbidini> nope, same thing 17:16 < leachbj> www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page ? 17:16 < BleuLlama> leachbj: how about distributing decoding load across both cpus? 17:16 < m0rbidini> leachbj: yes 17:16 < BleuLlama> (once we have both cpus supported) 17:17 < leachbj> m0rbidini: its the normal site for me... if veteran is about perhaps he knows... 17:17 < leachbj> BleuLlama: the idea would be for the COP to do the decoding 17:18 < BleuLlama> right, but isn't it still not quite powerful enough? (since it's the same cpu) 17:19 < leachbj> then its a matter of moving data/code into the fast memory (0-wait state) 17:19 < BleuLlama> gotcha 17:19 < BleuLlama> cool 17:20 -!- ryanlrussell [~Default@dsl081-246-227.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:20 < BleuLlama> I really shouldn't say "once we get"... since i'm not involved in that aspect of development. 17:20 < m0rbidini> musepack is the fastest format regarding decoding (compared with AAC, MP3, Vorbis) in PCs as you can see here. http://www.foobar2000.org/foospeed/ 17:20 < m0rbidini> that's why I wondered if anyone tried. 17:20 < leachbj> i dont have any music in that format :/ 17:21 < BleuLlama> yeah. i don't either. 17:21 < m0rbidini> oh, that should be easy to solve 17:21 < m0rbidini> :P 17:21 < leachbj> its more of a motivation thing ;) 17:21 < m0rbidini> I understand 17:22 < m0rbidini> it's considered the best format at medium/high bitrates. 17:23 < m0rbidini> better than vorbis, although I respect vorbis a lot. 17:23 < m0rbidini> it's also open source. 17:23 < BleuLlama> i don't think it would really fly, since i'm sure many people (like myself) will still use iTunes to rip/manage music and then use ipodlinux to play it back... that limits to mp3, aac and uncompressed... 17:23 < BleuLlama> personally, I won't use it, nor will i use ogg vorbis 17:24 < m0rbidini> sure, most people will never use it. that's a fact. 17:24 < BleuLlama> nothing against them... they're cool formats. 17:24 < m0rbidini> but it would be nice nonetheless :B 17:24 < BleuLlama> and in time, i'm sure they will be more supported by mainstream apps too. 17:24 < BleuLlama> understood. 17:24 < guruz_> Hmmmmm 17:24 < BleuLlama> well, m0rb; if you want it in there, start coding! ;) 17:24 < m0rbidini> meh 17:24 < leachbj> m0rbidini; normalperson (irc user here) is porting mpd which possibly supports that format. 17:24 < BleuLlama> heheh 17:25 < m0rbidini> I know to program in C, but only very basic stuff. 17:25 * BleuLlama looks at the mpd site... 17:25 < BleuLlama> MPD supports MP3, Ogg, Flac, AAC, and Mod 17:25 < m0rbidini> plus, I don't own an ipod (yet) 17:25 < BleuLlama> although I think they were talking about removing MOD support 17:25 < BleuLlama> :( 17:26 < BleuLlama> if that's the case, i will be writing my own mod playback program 17:26 < BleuLlama> which is fine 17:26 < guruz_> mod on an ipod? hell... :o 17:26 < BleuLlama> that's the main reason i personally want ipod linux 17:26 < BleuLlama> that and tempest/vortex 17:26 < BleuLlama> seriously. 17:27 < BleuLlama> load up an ipod with all of the good .mod files and all of the .sid files, and just listen for years 17:27 < guruz_> what is sid? also a tracker format? 17:27 < BleuLlama> commodore 64 music format 17:27 < BleuLlama> lots of really good chip tunes in .sid format out there. 17:28 < guruz_> hehe :) 17:28 < guruz_> don't you need a lot of disk access and storing in memory in mod? 17:29 -!- windenNTW [~q@224.Red-217-125-129.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:29 < windenNTW> hi 17:29 < BleuLlama> nah 17:29 < BleuLlama> remember mods were meant to run on a 512kb Amiga. 17:29 < BleuLlama> perhaps mikmod is ram intensive, but eh.. 17:29 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup332.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:30 < BleuLlama> the average mod file is between 100 and 300kb, containing sequencing information, and uncompressed audio samples 17:30 < BleuLlama> the older ones are 4 channel, newer ones up to 32 channel 17:30 < guruz_> ok. i don't have much understanding about it except that it contains samples and patterns 17:31 < windenNTW> BleuLlama: perhaps a direct conversion from m68k assembler to arm assembler for ipod? 17:31 < BleuLlama> And the entire library of .sid songs (every known .sid) is around 55mb 17:32 < BleuLlama> nah, just write a simple sequencer. I'm a good asm coder (z80 asm) but most modern compilers' optimizers are better than I could do by hand 17:32 < BleuLlama> (assuming I'm tossing mikmod) 17:32 < BleuLlama> Mikmod tries to be everything to everyone. and it does a damn fine job... 17:32 * BleuLlama has been working with the mikmod source since around 1995 17:33 < BleuLlama> (If any of you had a Gravis Ultrasound PNP and had the Mod MCI driver (which came with it)... that was me. 17:33 < BleuLlama> but that's a project for another day. i have other things on my plate right now. 17:34 < BleuLlama> for now, i'll run mikmod, or Protracker in a UAE window. ;) 17:34 < windenNTW> BleuLlama: do you run OSX, linux or windows for UAE? 17:35 < BleuLlama> OS X 10.3.7 17:35 < BleuLlama> I prefer MaxUAE. 17:36 * BleuLlama has a decent collection of rare OS releases and such, including the elusive AmigaDOS 1.4, which he's hacked out a kickstart floppy and booted his Amiga 1000 on.. :D 17:36 < windenNTW> BleuLlama: MaxUAE didn't show correct colors for me under OSX 10.2 when using AGA modes... does it work ok now? 17:36 < BleuLlama> I'm a huge fan of AmigaDOS and the Amiga architecture. it really was an amazing machine for the time. 17:37 < BleuLlama> i dunno, i don't really use any AGA apps. 17:37 < windenNTW> I just want to run my older Amiga demos :) 17:37 < BleuLlama> I stick to OCS for most things i do 17:37 < BleuLlama> and when i (rarely) use highres or high color things, i run it through UAE's picasso driver.) 17:38 < BleuLlama> i only have a few demos lying around; robo city, boing, juggler, State Of The Art, 9 fingers... 17:39 < windenNTW> hmm i just don't want to miss a lot of great demos... nexus 7, showbase shape, love, synthesis... 17:39 < BleuLlama> if you were on windows, i'd suggest Fellow 17:40 < BleuLlama> i'm not sure what to say... i'm not very familair with AGA emulations... :( 17:40 * BleuLlama boots up "State Of The Art". damn. that's impressive.. 17:41 -!- rlj [rlj@4-1-2-17a.gmt.gbg.bostream.se] has joined #ipodlinux 17:41 < BleuLlama> that reminds me. i gotta send an email to the guy who worked on 9 fingers again. i want to implement his video filter in realtime. :) 17:42 -!- veteran [~b@70.84.20.244] has joined #ipodlinux 17:42 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by ChanServ 17:42 < veteran> hello all :D 17:42 < BleuLlama> morning, veteran 17:43 < veteran> http://www.ipodlinux.org/requests/ 17:43 < veteran> i need a few people to register, testing to make sure it's _really_ working now 17:43 < rlj> may i ask how the reverse engineering of the 4g flash rom is coming along? 17:46 < veteran> http://www.ipodlinux.org/4g shows the latest status, they update it when new developments have been made 17:46 < rlj> i'll probably get myself a 4g ipod quite soon, and it'll be exciting to start working on the project. with my current knowledge, i would probably not be able to do much of the low level kernel work, but i could always help out with podzilla or something.. 17:47 -!- nonesuch [user@dhcp-43-47.EECS.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [] 17:47 < veteran> do you have C experience? 17:47 < rlj> veteran: just wondered, since the blog hasn't been updated in quite a few days. of course, that could be a good thing if it means the developers are all occupied in working on the core... 17:47 < rlj> yes. 17:48 < veteran> i'm sure there's been some progress but probably nothing worthy of reporting 17:48 < rlj> yah 17:48 < rlj> guess so. 17:48 < windenNTW> BleuLlama: you mean lonestarr/spaceballs? 17:48 < rlj> can't wait to see it up and running on a 4g though.. hope that day comes soon 17:49 < windenNTW> veteran: what help is needed about dissasembling? I'm keen on m68k & ppc assembler coding, but could use some arm practise as well :))) 17:50 < BleuLlama> windenNTW: actually, Paul Endresen... he was the one that did the video processing for "State Of The Art" 17:50 -!- ryanlrussell [~Default@inside-rtr.bigfix.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:51 -!- ryanlrussell [~Default@inside-rtr.bigfix.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:51 < veteran> windenNTW - do you have a 4g? 17:51 < windenNTW> veteran: yes 17:51 -!- ryanlrussell [~Default@inside-rtr.bigfix.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:52 < windenNTW> veteran: model A1059 says the backside 17:52 -!- nonesuch [user@dhcp-43-47.EECS.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #ipodlinux 17:52 < windenNTW> BleuLlama: pal endresen... did he have any handle back then? 17:53 < BleuLlama> windenNTW: no idea. I just watched the demo, saw his name at the top of the credits, and googled for him... found someone, emailed them, he responded "yes. i am him". That's about it. 17:54 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 17:54 < Thijs> good evening 17:54 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:54 < jfontan> wind! 17:54 < BleuLlama> i dunno if he went by lonestarr for the 9 fingers demo or not... that might have been someone else.. 17:54 < nonesuch> try morning. 17:58 -!- tlg_ [~tlg@76.162-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 17:58 < windenNTW> BleuLlama: i see him as coder in funcom, so yes he fits my memory from lonestarr... 17:59 < veteran> http://ipodlinux.org/requests/ 17:59 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:59 < veteran> could a few people please register? 17:59 < windenNTW> veteran: ok 17:59 < BleuLlama> windenNTW: aah. cool. did you know him? 18:00 < BleuLlama> I just want to reproduce the 2-bitplane video effect they did, realtime. 18:00 < windenNTW> BleuLlama: he retired just before i entered active scening 18:00 < windenNTW> BleuLlama: you mean in state of the art? i can tell you how it is done :) 18:00 < BleuLlama> gotcha. were you with a group? 18:00 < windenNTW> i'm wind / network 18:00 < BleuLlama> yes. State of the art and 9 fingers. 18:01 < BleuLlama> aah. cool. 18:01 < BleuLlama> amiga or pc demos? 18:01 < windenNTW> amiga rules :P 18:01 < windenNTW> look for synthesis/network from assembly 98 18:01 < windenNTW> and crossing the deadline from euskal 99 18:02 < BleuLlama> (just wondering... there were a few cool PC demos... Xaos, Washingmachine, etc) 18:02 < windenNTW> oh, also trashcan diskmagazine, we had great interviews! :))) 18:02 < BleuLlama> heh. cool. 18:02 < BleuLlama> how about we take this discussion over to #amigademos? 18:03 < BleuLlama> :) 18:03 < leachbj> veteran: I tried but cant logon... 18:03 < veteran> leachbj any errors? 18:03 -!- tlg [~tlg@76.162-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:03 < macPod> I registered 18:03 < leachbj> no errors 18:04 < macPod> cant login either 18:05 < windenNTW> BleuLlama: XD 18:07 < veteran> alright try again 18:07 -!- tlg_ [~tlg@76.162-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 18:07 < veteran> enabled email confirmation... looks like the login without email confirmation is bugged 18:08 < veteran> a bugged bug repot system -rolls eyes- 18:10 * Mayoral is away: Not behind the keyboard 18:10 < windenNTW> veteran: yes 18:11 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup332.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 18:11 < leachbj> veteran: yeah that seems to work 18:12 < veteran> alright relogin you should be admin 18:12 < leachbj> yeah that worked 18:14 < windenNTW> veteran: could you drop user winden so that i can write the email correctly? ;) 18:14 -!- fre_ber__ [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #iPodLinux 18:15 -!- fre_ber__ is now known as fre_ber 18:15 < veteran> windenNTW - i dont think i have to, you're not listed until confirmed 18:15 < windenNTW> veteran: ok trying again then... 18:18 < windenNTW> veteran: worked ok 18:19 < windenNTW> veteran: logged in ok 18:19 < veteran> good :D 18:27 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 18:28 -!- rlj [rlj@4-1-2-17a.gmt.gbg.bostream.se] has left #ipodlinux [] 18:28 -!- kjames [~kjames@151.203.96.36] has joined #ipodlinux 18:41 * Mayoral is back (gone 00:31:11) 18:55 -!- VaW [vaw@cm74052.red.mundo-r.com] has joined #ipodlinux 18:55 < VaW> hello 19:18 < leachbj> hey veteran: one problem with that /requests login is that it messed firefox's idea of my forum password :( 19:18 -!- zerokool04 [~chatzilla@217.51.145.145] has joined #ipodlinux 19:20 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:20 < courtc> cvs is alive with the sound of commits.. ;) 19:21 < leachbj> ;) 19:22 -!- zerokool04 [~chatzilla@217.51.145.145] has quit [Client Quit] 19:25 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has joined #ipodlinux 19:27 * BleuLlama returns. you can all relax now. 19:27 < fre_ber> Oh, good. I was starting to worry. 19:28 < BleuLlama> well, now you don't have to. :) 19:28 < courtc> Hmm.. I'm trying to foil veterans attempts to keep me from signing up by signing up for a jabber account.. :/ But hes too good.. 19:28 < fre_ber> :) 19:28 < leachbj> well there is email notification... 19:29 < courtc> that didnt work form me either :/ 19:29 < leachbj> oh 19:29 < macPod> we had an apple employee in here? 19:30 < courtc> yea, cdm works on the ipod platform team 19:30 < macPod> ah 19:30 < macPod> were they asking for help :) 19:30 < courtc> he was in here for personal interest.. 19:31 < courtc> yea, they forgot the interrupts ;) 19:31 < fre_ber> rofl 19:32 < fre_ber> He tried to guide me into thinking that I used a bogus libm.. ;) 19:32 < leachbj> :) 19:32 < leachbj> ah so they're trying to sabotage us too! 19:32 < fre_ber> Yup.. :) 19:32 < fre_ber> Maybe not intentionally... 19:32 < leachbj> haha 19:33 < fre_ber> I was surprised that he even replied to my question.. 19:33 < courtc> ahh.. internal hostname resolution must not work for ipodlinux.org.. 19:33 < leachbj> courtc: why is that? 19:34 < leachbj> oh b/c the email doesnt work? 19:34 < courtc> yea.. 19:34 < courtc> courtc@ipodlinux.org == nadda 19:35 < leachbj> ah that would explain it. 19:35 < leachbj> btw I havent heard back from that ebay shop 19:36 < courtc> Ok, I guess I'll see if I have an account 19:36 < windenNTW> leachbj: did you get any 4g yet? 19:36 < leachbj> not yet, i've had nilss and Thijs doing testing sofar... 19:37 < macPod> the request thing works for me now 19:37 < windenNTW> i know x86, m68k and ppc assembler coding, so i could help with that arm assembler if needed (and have a 4g myself) 19:39 < leachbj> windenNTW: mostly the arm asm is RE work 19:40 < windenNTW> leachbj: i'm ok with reverse-engineering, did it on m68k machines at least :) 19:42 < leachbj> I've done quite a bit but some parts are still unknown (e.g. firewire, usb, some parts of photo lcd) 19:43 < veteran> courtc - veteran@ipodlinux.org works fine 19:44 < veteran> forward me the mailer daemon error 19:44 < courtc> there was none.. it just didnt send an email.. Its not a problem, I used another account 19:46 -!- ninjaz [~ninjaz@66.188.40.158.bay.mi.chartermi.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:48 < courtc> alright, I'm gonna start porting some podzilla bugs/feature requests from ipodlinux.org/podzilla 19:49 < macPod> need assistance? 19:49 < courtc> sure.. 19:49 < normalperson> my current plan is to support musepack in mpd, but I'm not sure when I'll get around to it 19:51 < courtc> but we'd need to coordinate.. 19:51 -!- NewAngel [NewAngel@ACD076FD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:51 < macPod> I'll get the stuff that involves podzilla 19:51 < normalperson> m0rbidini: ^-- if you have time and some skill, getting musepack support into mpd shouldn't be hard, people have been bugging for it for a long time 19:51 < macPod> you grab the stuff that involves audo coding 19:52 < macPod> bugs with os? would that work well? 19:52 < normalperson> mpd runs primarily on desktop systems 19:52 < courtc> uh, sounds fine 19:54 < macPod> Might be hard with stuff like the remote control.. 19:54 < macPod> I guess the control is supported, but not by podzilla yet 19:55 < normalperson> I wrote a simple volume control for the remote late last night 19:55 < normalperson> just reads numbers 19:57 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:57 < courtc> veteran- so far I love it :) 19:58 < macPod> yes, it is good 19:58 < veteran> good :D 19:59 < normalperson> come to think of it, a minimal text-mode mpd client for the ipod wouldn't be too hard 19:59 < normalperson> well, I guess adding songs would be 20:01 -!- Luke__ [~blindspy@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 20:02 < macPod> damn.. put one in the wrong category :/ 20:03 < veteran> the world has come to an end. 20:03 -!- NewAngel [NewAngel@ACD076FD.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:03 < courtc> yea, its easy to edit.. 20:03 -!- Bieh [user121@202.49.165.22] has joined #ipodlinux 20:03 < veteran> ;) 20:03 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has joined #ipodlinux 20:05 < BleuLlama> w00t! i got a space pen! 20:05 < BleuLlama> w00t! I'm an idiot and typed that in the wrong window! 20:06 * veteran raises his eyebrows 20:06 < BleuLlama> shush, i know i'm an idiot 20:06 < courtc> haha 20:06 < normalperson> BleuLlama: don't worry, we won't tell anyone 20:06 < BleuLlama> yay! 20:06 < veteran> (we all have space pens, shhh) 20:06 < BleuLlama> heh. 20:07 < courtc> veteran- can we add a status of "in cvs" ? 20:09 < veteran> yep 20:09 < veteran> relogin 20:09 -!- Bieh [user121@202.49.165.22] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]"] 20:10 -!- Bieh [user121@202.49.165.22] has joined #ipodlinux 20:10 < courtc> whoa 20:11 < courtc> i have a lot of buttons now.. 20:11 < veteran> try to find statuses, i'm not having any luck 20:12 -!- Luke [~blindspy@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:12 < courtc> i found statuses.. that'll work 20:13 < courtc> i mean resolutions 20:13 < veteran> okay 20:14 < macPod> File Browser remembers last location? 20:14 < macPod> what do you think of that feature/ 20:14 < courtc> it does.. 20:15 < courtc> I dont get it.. did you read my comment in the wiki code? 20:15 < courtc> ;) 20:15 < macPod> it does not work for me 20:15 < macPod> if I go do a directory 20:15 < macPod> then exit 20:15 < macPod> then return, it goes to the directory I started in 20:16 < macPod> also 20:16 < veteran> doesn't remember on mine either, but i haven't updated since early december 20:16 < macPod> you think we could move the hidden minesweep file to the etc dir? 20:16 -!- Bieh [user121@202.49.165.22] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:16 < courtc> huh, strange.. well I dont really care about that.. you can add it but put it at a low priority 20:16 < macPod> it would make install and uninstalls a bit easier 20:16 < courtc> yea, perhaps 20:17 < macPod> :) that's my feature request :P 20:17 < BleuLlama> if that central preferences/settings mechanism was in place, you could just throw something in there to write out the filechooser's current location while you're browsing. ;) 20:18 < macPod> yea.. 20:18 < macPod> but I dont have time to implement that yet 20:18 < macPod> just to moan about it 20:18 < BleuLlama> hehe. understood. 20:18 < BleuLlama> right there with you 20:18 < courtc> it works on x11 20:18 < courtc> the current directory is static.. soo.. w/e 20:19 < courtc> macPod- I'm out of bugs'n stuff and you dupped my last addition.. what do I work on now? 20:20 < macPod> :o 20:20 < macPod> grab what I have not done I guess 20:20 < macPod> I need to head out to class, pardon the dup 20:20 < courtc> no prob.. 20:20 -!- Bieh [user121@202.49.165.22] has joined #ipodlinux 20:20 < macPod> wait what one did I dup/ 20:21 < courtc> the firewire thing.. It mighta been me.. 20:22 < courtc> i fixed it.. 20:27 < Squee> hey... im kinda getting interested in learning this kinda stuff. I have a pretty good knoledge of computers, but limited on programming. I learned all there is to learn about basic on the Ti calcs, and i'd like to get into some REAL languages. Arm looked good, but is kinda overwelming to dive into from what i learned. should i go with another language first? or just stick with it 20:27 < Squee> erm arm asm 20:27 < macPod> learn c 20:28 < Squee> mkay 20:28 < macPod> then learn about threads, shared libraries, pipes, and sockets 20:28 < macPod> and shared memory 20:28 < macPod> http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/CE.html 20:28 < Squee> sweek 20:29 < Squee> sweet* 20:35 -!- Bieh [user121@202.49.165.22] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0/20041107]"] 20:36 < Gent> macPod, you downloaded PTK/Podzilla from that link I gave you the other day, right? 20:37 < macPod> yes 20:37 < Gent> ok 20:38 < macPod> is there a prob? 20:38 < Gent> No, I just wanted to make sure you got it from there -- cause I've not had the time to e-mail you back yet 20:38 < macPod> ok 20:39 -!- Bieh [user121@202.49.165.22] has joined #ipodlinux 20:39 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:08 -!- zer0python [~zer0pytho@zer0python.user] has quit ["trying 2.6.10 kernel"] 21:10 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:16 -!- Squee [Squee@66.227.212.33.tvc.mi.chartermi.net] has quit [] 21:16 < fakker> just wondering, with podzilla - can you browse your music the same way (i checked out that small video of someone using their pod with linux on) and they went through the ipod_control dir 21:16 < fakker> by just going to music>artists etc 21:17 < BleuLlama> you can do it either way 21:17 < BleuLlama> either file browsing or iTunesDB browsing 21:18 < fakker> ah thats nice, if only i didn't have a 4g 21:18 < fakker> :) 21:23 -!- Luke__ [~blindspy@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:24 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:31 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has joined #ipodlinux 21:32 -!- zer0python [~zer0pytho@zer0python.user] has joined #ipodlinux 21:32 -!- RichiH [richih@richih.staff.freenode] has left #ipodlinux [] 21:32 < VaW> does ipod linux use the 2 processors? (processor and coprocessor if I understood well) 21:33 -!- borism_ is now known as borism 21:35 < courtc> yes, and no, the bootloader uses the cop, but currently no applications utilise it to its potential.. there is some work being done to move the mp3 decoding onto the cop.. 21:37 < VaW> ok, I just wanted to know this for the mp3 decoder :) 21:37 < VaW> I was reading the arm manual and was guessing about it 21:39 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 21:46 -!- angelfly [~angelfly@pool-68-239-14-89.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:48 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has quit [] 21:50 -!- zsk009 [~zsk009@pcp0011204111pcs.salsbr01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:52 -!- joecool [~joecool@joecool.no-sources] has joined #ipodlinux 21:55 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps..."] 22:01 -!- angelfly [~angelfly@pool-68-239-14-89.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:05 -!- KaGeBe [KaGeBe@hbrn-d9b93077.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:05 < KaGeBe> hi 22:06 < KaGeBe> got a question: how much effort would it be to use/port ipodlinux on a samsung yp-910gs? they have the same processor 22:07 < macPod> alot 22:07 < BleuLlama> i think the answer is: examine both architectures, and figure out what needs to be changed between the both. I doubt anyone here will port it for you, but you might get occasional support from someone while you do it.... but more than likely, a lot of the memory map will be different, so it will be a big task 22:09 < KaGeBe> don't expect anyone to do it, wouldn't really be worth it, there might be about 5000 owners of one of those crappy things out there...just would be something I would like to try for fun, knowing I won't get very far with it 22:11 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has joined #ipodlinux 22:13 -!- Squee [Squee@66.227.212.33.tvc.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:15 -!- Luke [~blindspy@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 22:15 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 22:17 -!- elinenbe [~elinenbe_@65.115.46.225] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!"] 22:21 < veteran> 0.0 very scarry. 22:23 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o veteran ] by Luke 22:23 < Luke> hey guys 22:23 < BleuLlama> looooooooooook 22:23 < BleuLlama> hm. 22:23 < BleuLlama> luuuuuuuuuuuuuuke 22:23 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+vv BleuLlama nilss ] by Luke 22:24 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+vv ryanlrussell Thijs ] by Luke 22:24 < Luke> did i miss anyone =P 22:24 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:24 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 22:26 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 22:27 < joecool> mmm things are finally calming down in here 22:27 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:28 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:28 < Luke> veteran: you here? 22:28 < veteran> yep 22:29 < Luke> join .org 22:31 -!- KaGeBe [KaGeBe@hbrn-d9b93077.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit ["--zap--"] 22:32 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has joined #ipodlinux 22:35 -!- fakker [~m0n0@fakking.fabolo.us] has quit [] 22:36 -!- joshhhhh [~jewtwitch@adsl-66-124-8-20.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:37 < joshhhhh> hey could someone answer sme quesitons for me? 22:37 < joshhhhh> *some 22:38 < joshhhhh> questions NOT related to release date or 4g support 22:38 < joecool> ask the question dammit 22:38 < joecool> don't ask to ask 22:38 < joecool> :P 22:39 < joshhhhh> oh ok, lol. I was just wondering if running linux on my iPOD will slow it down in any way 22:39 < joshhhhh> and roughly how much space does it take up? 22:39 < BleuLlama> you need to re-partition your ipod, so you will be wiping it clean. (fyi) 22:39 < joshhhhh> yea I havn't bought it yet 22:39 < joshhhhh> so thats no biggi 22:40 < macPod> that depends 22:40 < macPod> mac or pc ipod? 22:40 < joshhhhh> Not sure yet, which will run better? Because I'm buying a MACmini but I also have 2 pc's 22:41 < macPod> well if it is a windows ipod now you will have to reformat it 22:41 < macPod> if it were a mac ipod to begin with you would not 22:41 < macPod> however you are still encouraged to make backups 22:41 < joshhhhh> backups of the original iPOD OS?? 22:41 < macPod> no, of your files 22:42 < joshhhhh> bah my music files are on my comp, no biggi :-) 22:42 < courtc> you dont have to wipe out all the stuff on the ipod BleuLlama 22:42 < courtc> silly 22:42 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 22:42 < courtc> afk 22:42 < BleuLlama> i thought you had to repartition the thing to get the linux partition on there... 22:42 < joshhhhh> How much space does the linux take up? 22:43 < joshhhhh> I'm trying to decide whether to get the 20 gig or th miniipod 22:43 < macPod> under 5 mb 22:43 < joshhhhh> oh, tight. Might go with mini then 22:43 < macPod> 40mb is reccomended 22:43 < macPod> did you read the front page of the project? 22:43 < macPod> 4g and mini ipods are not supported 22:43 < joshhhhh> in the process 22:43 < joshhhhh> I kno, it said not yet 22:44 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup0833.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:45 < piratePenguin> Is me trying to pry my ipod open with a sharp, sharp knife a bad idea? 22:45 < joshhhhh> rofl's 22:45 < piratePenguin> um 22:45 < BleuLlama> yes. you should just wait for the tool to arrive 22:46 < piratePenguin> I dunno if I'm gonna get that battery tho ... cause I dunno if its a battery problem 22:46 < BleuLlama> if your battery lasts 5 minutes, it's a battery problem 22:46 < BleuLlama> this isn't rocket science 22:46 < joshhhhh> lol 22:47 -!- joshhhhh is now known as joshhhh 22:47 < BleuLlama> and if it's not a battery problem there's nothing youre going to be able to do inside there once you get it open 22:47 -!- joshhhh is now known as joshhhh[food 22:47 < BleuLlama> all you're going to do is definitely void the warranty, and possibly damage something 22:47 -!- joshhhh[food is now known as joshhhh[foodbrb] 22:47 < BleuLlama> but if you're going to do it, go for it, but don't come crying to us when you totally fuck up your ipod 22:48 < piratePenguin> ... 22:49 < piratePenguin> its almost open :p 22:50 < piratePenguin> this is fun 22:54 < piratePenguin> I have the silver thing off :D 22:54 -!- joshhhh[foodbrb] is now known as joshhhhhhh 22:54 < joshhhhhhh> lol oh man I can't wait to see the aftermath of this 22:55 < chungy> I've wanted to open my iPod, but I fear making a $300 paperweight 22:56 < piratePenguin> a pretty cool paperweight tho 22:56 < piratePenguin> I've always wanted a paperweight 22:57 < joshhhhhhh> lol!! 22:58 < BleuLlama> is the apple warranty only 90 days? 22:58 < piratePenguin> I've had my ipod for over a year 22:58 < BleuLlama> nm. 1 year. 22:59 < BleuLlama> hmm. for $60 i can get applecare for my ipod to extend another year.. hmm. 23:00 < chungy> me 23:00 < chungy> meh 23:00 < piratePenguin> who needs apple? 23:00 < veteran> 1/2gs are easy to open 23:00 < chungy> I've never cared about warranties. they're rarely long enough to have the product break 23:00 < veteran> i'm afraid to try my 3g =] 23:00 * BleuLlama has a 4g 23:00 < piratePenguin> 3g is easy :D 23:02 < joshhhhhhh> lol 23:02 < joshhhhhhh> is there an advantage to having a 4g than a 3g? 23:03 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:03 < chungy> More stable, I like the button layout better 23:03 < joshhhhhhh> hm 23:03 < piratePenguin> I like the 3g btns, if thats what ya call 'e 23:03 < piratePenguin> m 23:04 < chungy> If you're not having any problems with your 3G, don't bother buying a 4G unless you have money to waste 23:04 < BleuLlama> I like the track wheel on the 3g, but i like my 4g's clicky buttons 23:04 < joshhhhhhh> Well I'm buying my very first iPOD but I'm trying to decide whether to get a 3g and have linux right away, or get 4g and wait.. 23:05 < BleuLlama> i'd go 4g and wait, personally. 23:05 < piratePenguin> umm....... BlueLlama... my ipods been on (its still open) for the last 5mins.... abnormal 23:05 < BleuLlama> so? 23:06 -!- blcknight [blcknight@judecca.aculei.NET] has quit ["leaving"] 23:06 < piratePenguin> so.... my battery...... I dunno wtf's up 23:06 < piratePenguin> nm 23:06 < chungy> If it's your first, then get 4G and wait. Most likely it will pay off once support is made 23:07 < Hostile> yeah 23:07 < Hostile> but you can get 3gs cheap on ebay 23:08 < joshhhhhhh> yea I'm looking for 3g's just to see how cheap 23:08 < joshhhhhhh> if I wanted to turn my ipod back to a reg ipod, would it be possible? 23:09 < joshhhhhhh> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=67838&item=5747167247&rd=1 23:09 < chungy> Uninstall Linux? Yes. 23:09 < BleuLlama> turn it back? you just boot it up with the apple firmware. read the docs on the wiki. 23:10 < chungy> you can just hack a certain system file on the iPod (I forget which one) to make the updater think it's an older version of the Firmware 23:10 < piratePenguin> I took out my hdd :D 23:10 < chungy> then it will "update" (reflash) the firmware, and Linux will be gone 23:10 < joshhhhhhh> oh ok awsome 23:10 < joshhhhhhh> did anyone goto that link? 23:11 < Hostile> I did 23:11 < chungy> yeah... something makes me have an odd feeling seeing a 4G picture 23:11 < Hostile> its not that much cheaper 23:11 < Hostile> yeah 23:13 < joshhhhhhh> hmm 23:13 < joshhhhhhh> meh I'll just go with 4g 23:13 < chungy> good idea 23:13 * joshhhhhhh dives into a huge bowl of chicken chow mein 23:13 < chungy> play music and stuff 23:14 < piratePenguin> have the battery out :D ... btw, leachbj et all.. is the battery supposed to be a (very) small bit connected to the black tape thing between the battery and the dock port, on the mobo? 23:15 < Hostile> piratePenguin, replacing ipod battery? 23:15 < BleuLlama> look at the instructions on the ipod battery site 23:15 < Hostile> piratePenguin, 3g? 23:15 -!- rsbeq-cam [cameron@60hz.org] has joined #ipodlinux 23:15 < piratePenguin> BlueLlama: thats what I'm doing 23:15 < BleuLlama> hostie: no, he's jsut taking it apart to try to fix it. his battery lasts ~5 minutes, and thinks it's not a battery problem. 23:15 < piratePenguin> Hostile: 3G ... I dont have a replacement battery yet, cause I dunno if I need one ... just experimenting atm 23:16 < Hostile> piratePenguin, I replaced my 3g battery 23:16 -!- nunofgs [~root@80.172.138.195] has joined #ipodlinux 23:16 < piratePenguin> Hostile: cool 23:16 < piratePenguin> BlueLlama: when did I even hint that its not a battery prob? 23:16 < nunofgs> hey guys, I'm trying to compile libitunesdb... I'm getting itunesdb.c:11:22: byteswap.h: No such file or directory 23:17 < BleuLlama> piratePenguin: you've said your battery lasts 5 minutes, and that you were opening it to try to fix it, without a replacement battery in hand. 23:17 < BleuLlama> just going by what you're telling us 23:17 < rsbeq-cam> nunofgs: Yeah... I had that error but don't remember what I did 23:17 < rsbeq-cam> are you compiling for x or ipod 23:17 < nunofgs> for x 23:18 < nunofgs> I'm on mac os x though 23:18 < rsbeq-cam> exact same position as me 23:18 < rsbeq-cam> why are you compiling for x? just for dev? 23:18 < nunofgs> yes 23:18 < rsbeq-cam> I think I basicalled disabled libitunes 23:18 < fre_ber> I got passed that point, I think. 23:18 < rsbeq-cam> cause it wasn't relevant to what i was developing ;) 23:18 < fre_ber> I added some stub header files. 23:18 < nunofgs> rsbeq-cam: I have a 4g ipod so I just wanted to poke around and do some coding 23:18 < rsbeq-cam> ah 23:18 < fre_ber> But then it failed on something else. 23:19 < rsbeq-cam> kernel coding? 23:19 < piratePenguin> BlueLlama: I have no idea whats wrong with my ipod ... I can guess it *probably* is a battery problem, but its possible that its not, seeing as I have been f*cking about with the dock port and my completely f*cked up charger cable ... and while I was doing so, sparks + smoke etc, could've fucked something else up, anything ... 23:19 < rsbeq-cam> only pz needs libitunes 23:19 < nunofgs> no, podzilla coding 23:19 < rsbeq-cam> any idea what you wanna work on? 23:19 < rsbeq-cam> hi freber btw :) 23:19 < BleuLlama> you never mentioned sparks and smoke 23:19 < nunofgs> I am seeing something on the source code:#if defined (__linux__) 23:19 < nunofgs> #include 23:19 < nunofgs> #include 23:19 < fre_ber> hi, I'm not here.. :) 23:19 < piratePenguin> BlueLlama: I did, weeks ago 23:19 < nunofgs> then it has a elif (__darwin__) which never gets executed 23:19 < rsbeq-cam> where are you? 23:20 < fre_ber> sleeping. 23:20 < nunofgs> rsbeq-cam: not really. I was thinking of maybe making dopewars for the ipod 23:20 < rsbeq-cam> then #define __darwin__ manually? 23:20 < rsbeq-cam> hahaha dopewars 23:20 < nunofgs> < rsbeq-cam> then #define __darwin__ manually? -> yeah gonna try that 23:20 < rsbeq-cam> (by adding -D __darwin__ to the compiler options in the makefile) 23:21 < nunofgs> dopewars is perfect for the ipod. It's a neverending adictive game... not like pong or whatever that gets old really quick 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> lol 23:21 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3FE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> go to sleep fre_ber 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> unless you want to try my batter ;) 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> y 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> eww 23:22 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup0833.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 23:22 -!- piratePenguin [~piratepen@dialup0833.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:22 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3FE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:23 < fre_ber> cam: ok 23:23 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #iPodLinux [] 23:23 < piratePenguin> would it be OK for me to test out my ipod without a HDD ? 23:23 < piratePenguin> just the power and stuff 23:23 < rsbeq-cam> i'd imagine it woudl do permanent damage 23:23 < rsbeq-cam> but i think it's kind of not worth it 23:23 < rsbeq-cam> *wouldn't do 23:24 -!- rsbeq-cam [cameron@60hz.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:26 < piratePenguin> ok, now what about turning it off? would it be dangerous to unplug the battery? 23:27 < chungy> it's normally in sleep mode... I wouldn't think so, but possibly 23:27 < piratePenguin> right.. its out 23:28 < piratePenguin> I think I may have found the problem... 23:28 < piratePenguin> or not 23:29 < piratePenguin> but the black plastic thing around it is scratched (punchered?) on the side closest to the dock port 23:29 < piratePenguin> s/it/the battery/ 23:31 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:31 -!- pokute [~pokute@83.214.35.129] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:31 < piratePenguin> could that be the problem? 23:31 < chungy> I don't konw what the black plastic thing is 23:32 < chungy> you'd need to know what it's for ... if it's for protection from bumbs and falls, maybe not... <_< 23:32 < piratePenguin> black plastic all round the battery... for protection methinks 23:33 < piratePenguin> it says on it "CAUTION: Li-ion Battery Do Not Puncture or Incinerate" 23:33 < chungy> can you see any punctures? 23:33 < chungy> did you incinerate it? 23:33 -!- windenNTW [~q@224.Red-217-125-129.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:33 < piratePenguin> heh... I can see a puncture 23:33 < nunofgs> does anyone know what library byteswap.h pertains to? 23:33 < piratePenguin> I think 23:34 < piratePenguin> "The GNU C Library" 23:34 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:34 < courtc> byteswap.h is a linux specific thing, avoid using it if possible 23:35 < piratePenguin> Hostile: umm... do you have yer old battery (or any battery outside the ipod) 23:35 < nunofgs> :( libitunesdb uses it 23:35 < courtc> yea, it does, I'd like to remove its dependancy on it.. 23:35 < nunofgs> so there's no way I can compile on mac os x? 23:36 < nunofgs> what's this though? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=itunesdb+byteswap.h&btnG=Search 23:36 < courtc> i think htons/ntohl should work just as well... the patches for osx are around here somewhere 23:36 < Hostile> piratePenguin, yeah 23:37 < joshhhhhhh> hey could we have a color version of linux with the new nyko add on? 23:38 < piratePenguin> Hostile: beside the cable on my battery theres what looks like a deep scratch/puncture ... its hardly normal? 23:38 < joshhhhhhh> http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5668.html <---new mod 23:38 < Hostile> on the battery? 23:38 < piratePenguin> yep 23:39 < courtc> nunofgs- thats something else.. what are you looking for? 23:40 < Hostile> you sure its not the outer rap on the battery your seeing? 23:40 < piratePenguin> yep 23:40 < piratePenguin> I'm sure 23:40 < Hostile> wrap* 23:40 < piratePenguin> Its grey insidse 23:40 < Hostile> mines all black 23:41 < piratePenguin> hmm.. so that puncture is probably whats causing my battery to not stay on too long.. BleuLlama? 23:41 < nunofgs> courtc: I'm just looking for a way to compile libitunesdb on mac os x... on that google cached page they used other libraries for a darwin system 23:41 < Thijs> hey ppl.. iam offline 23:41 < Thijs> cya ! 23:41 < courtc> seeya Thijs 23:42 < piratePenguin> cya Thijs 23:42 < Thijs> cya courtc, piratePenguin 23:42 -!- nonesuch [user@dhcp-43-47.EECS.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [] 23:42 < Thijs> and others i didnt mentione 23:42 < Thijs> d 23:42 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has left #ipodlinux [] 23:42 < courtc> nunofgs- talk to macPod or coob they know where the patch it.. it might even be on the website 23:43 < piratePenguin> what channel/person would know alot about batteries? 23:43 -!- kjames [~kjames@151.203.96.36] has quit [Client Quit] 23:43 < courtc> #batteriesRus ? 23:44 < courtc> ;) 23:44 < piratePenguin> #hardware ... 23:47 -!- hopson [bouncer@osu.cloaked] has quit [] 23:47 -!- hopson [bouncer@osu.cloaked] has joined #ipodlinux 23:49 < piratePenguin> what would be the effects of a slightly punctured battery have on my ipod? 23:49 < piratePenguin> (worth a shot) 23:49 * piratePenguin thinks "maybe not" and slowly walks away 23:49 < joecool> piratePenguin: hmm.. just keep an eye on it when its charging 23:50 < piratePenguin> I have no charger :D 23:50 < joecool> (lithium ion is not the most stable thing in the world) 23:50 < piratePenguin> atm 23:54 < piratePenguin> I hope Jeeves knows his batteries 23:57 -!- NewAngel [~myname@64.241.37.140] has joined #ipodlinux 23:58 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:58 < piratePenguin> he doesnt... I'll just dissemble my ipod some more 23:59 < courtc> make sure to do it while it pluuged in, and be sure do use something metel.. 23:59 < piratePenguin> eh? I've the battery out ... 23:59 < courtc> metal, plugged, its 23:59 < piratePenguin> and I'm using a knife for taking out the screws --- Log closed Tue Feb 01 00:00:00 2005