--- Log opened Sun Jan 30 00:00:01 2005
00:00 < rsbeq-cam> Nice, ipodstats won't have seen the topic change
00:01 < Swistak> rsbeq-cam yea name is cool ,but unfornutelly i'm new at this and i just cap to learn something ^^
00:01 < rsbeq-cam> So, anyone know why we don't use gcc 3.x?
00:01 < rsbeq-cam> Swistak: Ah, what do you want to learn?
00:01 < davidc__> because it doesn't produce a working kernel
00:02 < davidc__> IIRC
00:02 < rsbeq-cam> Well, that's a bummer... do you know what it specifically breaks?
00:02 < davidc__> I also had a lot of trouble building it
00:02 < coob> rsbeq-cam: someone on the forums did some speed tests with regards to mp3 decoding and gcc version
00:02 < coob> 2.95 was actually faster
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00:02 < rsbeq-cam> Well
00:02 < coob> (for the arm stuff)
00:02 < rsbeq-cam> I'm trying to figure out this really really frustrating -lm problem
00:02 < rsbeq-cam> And I don't have any idea what to do
00:02 < rsbeq-cam> Apparently fre_ber_ talked about it this morning
00:03 < davidc__> what error?
00:03 < davidc__> [exactly?]
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00:03 < ryanlrussell> Hah... it's getting discussion over at the dsdev channel, too (efnet)
00:03 < davidc__> dsdev?
00:03 < rsbeq-cam> No error, just an infinite loop generated by different program behavior
00:03 < davidc__> for nintendo DS?
00:03 < ryanlrussell> Nintendo DS
00:03 < davidc__> heh, I was in there at one point....
00:03 < coob> heh
00:03 < davidc__> I'll join
00:03 < ryanlrussell> (also ARm processors)
00:03 < coob> they gunna try the same trick?
00:04 < ryanlrussell> They'd like to, but you have to be able to run code first.
00:04 < ryanlrussell> (They can, different technique)
00:04 < TheBean> S'pose if you whack the DS online, you'd need a small, portable firewall like an iPod :p
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00:04 < rsbeq-cam> Italy!
00:04 < ryanlrussell> Well, I was thinking the other way round.  The DS has WiFi
00:05 < ryanlrussell> The DS would probably make a good iPodLinux Console. :)
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00:06 < ryanlrussell> Heh, ok now nilss is over in dsdev...
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00:07 < davidc__> so am I :)
00:07 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah, you could use the controls on the DS to control a GB emulator on the ipod!
00:07 < rsbeq-cam> OMG THAT WOULD BE SO USEFUL
00:07 < TheBean> XD
00:08 < ryanlrussell> screen and keyboard, via the serial port
00:08 < rsbeq-cam> I know, I know
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00:08 < ryanlrussell> Hmm... I could try it with my GBA linux now....
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00:09 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v Jonas_NZ ] by davidc__
00:09 < Jonas_NZ> dw
00:10 < rsbeq-cam> dw?
00:10 < Jonas_NZ> hey all
00:10 < Jonas_NZ> dont worry
00:10 < rsbeq-cam> Ah
00:11 < veteran>  Notice  «Thank you for your interest in the project! For voice, msg davidc__» —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n—
00:11 < rsbeq-cam> Ew
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00:12 < davidc__> veteran: I should kick you just for the fucked up colors
00:12 < veteran> it's a windows script, what do you expect
00:12 < coob> lol
00:13 < Jonas_NZ> lol
00:13 < rsbeq-cam> lawl guyz
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00:15  * veteran sets mode +v joecool
00:15 < veteran> hint hint
00:15 < davidc__> hint hint?????
00:16 < rsbeq-cam> I hereby revoke my -lm problem
00:16 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v joecool ] by davidc__
00:16 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: that's a pretty blatant hint hint
00:16 < veteran> there we go.
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00:16 < davidc__> ah crap, thought I'd already voiced him
00:16 < davidc__> he was on my to-voice list at the beginning
00:16 < davidc__> but I musta skipped him
00:16 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v Grunt ] by davidc__
00:17  * veteran sets mode +b *wammy*@*
00:17 < veteran> hint hint
00:17 < ryanlrussell> So, anyone know when/if the bootloader is outputting the debugging strings?
00:17 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v Wammy ] by davidc__
00:17 < davidc__> I was about to voice him
00:17 < davidc__> just loking :)
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00:18 < joecool> davidc__: oh, btw.. if you don't like colors, +c the channel
00:18 < davidc__> eh, I trust people not to abuse them
00:19 < joecool> heh, k
00:19 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v kyelewis` ] by davidc__
00:19 < davidc__> [he asked]
00:19 < davidc__> we're only +m to keep out the flood of "Is the 4g ready yet???? n00bs"
00:19 < ryanlrussell> For example, is the serial port active ever, when running the RetailOS?
00:20 < joecool> yeah, i would like to contribute to the kernel, but I still need to work on my C more (i currently maintain a patchset also)
00:20 < kyelewis`> ahh
00:20 < rsbeq-cam> patchset for what?
00:20 < joecool> so.. don't worry about me asking.. i can wait, if i can't help
00:20 < joecool> kernel patchset based on mm-sources with some nice hacks and a few performance patches
00:20 < kyelewis`> fair enough. i actually don't own an ipod, but the idea of a fresh hack like the piezo story on slashdot is interesting; something different for once
00:21 < coob> heh if you're willing to read mroe than one website there's 20x cooler sites than slashdot out there
00:21 < coob> just get an rss feed reader
00:21 < rsbeq-cam> joecool: You made them?
00:21 < kyelewis`> yeah, well
00:21 < coob> stick engadget/hackaday/bbc tech news/ars etc on there
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00:22 < veteran> slashdot still isn't all that bad
00:22 < joecool> rsbeq-cam: well ported the patches to work on the newest kernel, i used to write a few, but they are not needed now or they were superceeded by a more functional patch
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00:22 < veteran> msn.com is the best news site EVERRRRRR!
00:22 < rsbeq-cam> joecool: Still seems like you would be plenty skilled enough in C
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00:23 < coob> vet: why read soemthing rehashed 2 weeks later when you can read it from the horses mouth h on 0day?
00:23 < joecool> rsbeq-cam: actually, i started working on patches with no knowledge in C, only recently have I actually decided to learn it
00:23 < veteran> coob - i dont actually _read_ slashdot
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00:23 < veteran> i just visit it and refresh it about 30 times each day
00:23 < coob> lol
00:23 < veteran> (retaliation)
00:24 < joecool> i've probably only been to slashdot 3 or 4 times.. only when someone brings it up
00:24 < xemile> I don't know if this is OT, and I'm sure it's dumb. But I don't get it. He got the boot loader using this hack, and that should somehow give him access to other hardware then the piezo. Doesn't the boot loader "just" load the OS which should handle stuff like accessing firewire ports, audio ports, etc.?
00:24 < nilss> the bootloader accesses the lcd and the disk ;)
00:24 < coob> no you're thinking too much in terms of a desktop computer
00:25 < ryanlrussell> The bootloader has info about the hardware devices
00:25 < veteran> we only knew the address for the piezo
00:25 < coob> apple bootloader does do stuff with other bits
00:25 < rsbeq-cam> Doesn't the retailos access the lcd and disk too....?
00:25 < coob> and disassembly of it also helps the understanding of the encoded bit of the apple firmware
00:26 < veteran>  Notice  «Thank you for your interest in the project! The 4th gen ipod is NOT yet supported. For voice, msg davidc__» —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n—
00:26 < xemile> I see...
00:26 < xemile> nilss: I see. it's the boot loader I see when the apple icon is being displayed?
00:26 < veteran> oh no wonder we're on front page
00:26 < nilss> yea
00:26 < xemile> right...
00:26 < Jonas_NZ> did we get ./ again 
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00:27 < veteran> Jonas_NZ - go check
00:27 < veteran> and refresh it 50 times please
00:27 < xemile> yeah they current directory:ed us..
00:27 < Jonas_NZ> k
00:27 < kyelewis`> can your site really not stand that amount of traffic; or?
00:27 < xemile> (sorry)
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00:28 < veteran> kyelewis` - it was lagging my customers, so i had to cap it
00:28 < davidc__> no server can
00:28 < joecool> well its a wiki.. i'm guessing wouldn't be a *good* thing to put it through that much
00:28 < kyelewis`> ahh, ok, it's shared with something else
00:28 < veteran> dual xeon 2.8ghz with 2g of ram =)
00:28 < veteran> yeah shared
00:28 < Jonas_NZ> fuck, i see why you +m the channel
00:28 < kyelewis`> true about the wiki stuff, bit of overhead there
00:28 < rsbeq-cam> customers? ;)
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00:28 < veteran> gameservers
00:28 -!- joecool is now known as joecool|food
00:28 < davidc__> hahahhahaha
00:28 < Jonas_NZ> is this wammys server being hammered again
00:28 < coob> Ask davidc__ about 4g support, we dare you!
00:28 < coob> aha
00:28 < davidc__> you actually put davidc__ for support
00:28 < davidc__> hahahhahahhahahaha
00:28 < veteran> hahaha you just noticed htat :D
00:29 < veteran> Jonas_NZ - wammy is my slave
00:29 < kyelewis`> davidc__: well, i guess not one running a wiki anyhow
00:29 < Jonas_NZ> fucking slashdot ---- "And yes, this means that 4G iPods can now boot linux!" -- but they dont boot properly is what they shouldve added
00:29 < coob> well it's true
00:29 < coob> they boot it
00:29 < veteran> hm well they _can_ boot linux
00:30 < coob> it doesn't finsih booting it.
00:30 < coob> and uh
00:30 < davidc__> but they just crash 10 seconds later
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00:30 < rsbeq-cam> Upon what?
00:30 < coob> most slashdotters think linux = os when linux = kernel.
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00:31 < Jonas_NZ> coob, it doesnt even load a kernel
00:31 < coob> exactly lol
00:32 < rsbeq-cam> Oh well
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00:32 < Jonas_NZ> and why do they all think its hosted on an iPod
00:32 < rsbeq-cam> Some idiot suggested it as a joke
00:32 < coob> because salshdot also has the collectiv e humour of a bunch of 8th graders.
00:32 < fre_ber_> Way passed my bed time, good night people.
00:32 < Jonas_NZ> yeah, same thing as what happened last time
00:32 < coob> but better typing skills than me.
00:33 < veteran> it was pretty funny the first time.
00:33 < rsbeq-cam> fre_ber_: "past"
00:33 < nilss> ide works since a few hours and i can get a shell ;)
00:33 < macPod> did we get slashdotted again?
00:33 < nilss> *for
00:33 < coob> nilss cool.
00:33 < rsbeq-cam> congrats, nilss!
00:33 < coob> blog it :D
00:33 < veteran> macPod - check slashdot
00:33 < fre_ber_> cam: Sorry. :)
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00:33 < macPod> yup, congrats nilss
00:34 < nilss> well, leachbj did the coding ;) i only run the code
00:34 < veteran> still, nice job. executing code is harder than it looks
00:34 < macPod> only pob is you blocked all acess, not just acess from slashdot it seems
00:34 < veteran> macPod - i didn't block anything
00:34 < Jonas_NZ> nilss, can you send me the files i wanna take sum proper photos :p and see it for myself
00:34 < veteran> i can take it like a man
00:35 < macPod> I get the thank you for your interest page
00:35 < rsbeq-cam> It's not blocked, it's replaced
00:35 < macPod> even if I do not go through slashdot
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00:36 < macPod> heh, ask davidc_ about 4g support
00:36 < Jonas_NZ> yeah
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00:39 < BleuLlama> it's chatty in here tonight
00:39 < rsbeq-cam> Gosh, i wonder why
00:39 < macPod> heh, thanks to this linking I got two more people to sign up under me for the mac mini pyramid scheme
00:40 < rsbeq-cam> Hahaha how?
00:40 < macPod> I have a link to it on the installer site as the computer I use for development now will have to be returned to the school soon
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00:40 < Jonas_NZ> is there a way to manually install iPL from windows
00:41 < veteran>  Notice  «Thank you for your interest in the project! The 4th gen ipod is NOT yet supported. For voice, msg davidc__» —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n—
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00:41 < macPod> good idea vet :)
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00:41 < veteran> my noob windows IRC script comes in handy occasionally
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00:42 < veteran> so far i've used it for annoying colorful announcements, and showing off disk space
00:42 < rsbeq-cam> lol
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00:43 < rsbeq-cam> Argh, where did EDPodcast go?
00:43 < veteran> by the way the forums are still up
00:44 < veteran> for those "in the know"
00:45  * rsbeq-cam tries to get the attention of davidc__
00:45 < veteran> oh and, i just realized that i limited memory usage to 200kb instead of 200mb
00:45 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: what?
00:45 < veteran> it should be loading faster now
00:45 < veteran> haha
00:45 < coob> lool.
00:46 < davidc__> heh, seems like the same speed
00:46 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: PM
00:46 < macPod> did you restart apache?
00:46 < rsbeq-cam> hahaha 200k
00:46 < macPod> apachectl graceful
00:46 < veteran> haha yes i did
00:47 < coob> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20020616.html
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00:48 < rsbeq-cam> That's pretty weak
00:49 < davidc__> yea 
00:49 < coob> yep.
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00:50 < coob> anyone remember that guy who did the tron costume
00:50 < coob> much to the delight of fark/slashdot trolls
00:50 < rsbeq-cam> The dude on cable tv now?
00:50 < coob> he also did a a costume for a character from that strip
00:50 < TheBean> Also check that Apache's max servers is high enough
00:50 < coob> LOL hes on cable tv?
00:50 < rsbeq-cam> I think so
00:50 < coob> he must have a high pain threshold
00:50 < coob> must've had to wear that unitard eh
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00:51 < veteran> TheBean - i'm hard limiting to keep from lagging my customers
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00:51 < coob> http://www.tronguy.net/
00:51  * BleuLlama decides to not point out his own tron costume... ehhehe
00:51 < veteran> was that a giggle?!
00:52  * BleuLlama lent it to an independant filmer as a costume.. :)
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00:52 < TheBean> veteran - sensible :)
00:53 < coob> lol
00:53 < coob> was it better than his?
00:53 < normalperson> apache in 200k? lol
00:53 < BleuLlama> kinda. lemme find pics
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00:54 < BleuLlama> coob: http://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Image/TronCostume/
00:54 < BleuLlama> wow. that was 4 years agon now.
00:54 < BleuLlama> the filming guys made a chest/backplate for it...
00:54 < BleuLlama> i think i have pics of it somewhere...
00:55 < rsbeq-cam> Youuuuuu geek
00:56 < veteran>  Notice  «Thank you for your interest in the project! The 4th gen ipod is NOT yet supported. For voice, msg davidc__» —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n—
00:56 < davidc__> BleuLlama: let me be the first to say, that
00:56 < davidc__> s sad
00:56 < BleuLlama> i spent way too much money on that costume. heh
00:57 < BleuLlama> but hey, it won me 3 costume contests, so hey.,..
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00:57 < coob> thats cool
00:57 < coob> it glows more than the tron guy's
00:58 < BleuLlama> it better, with $200 worth of el-wire...
00:58 < BleuLlama> heh
00:58 < coob> http://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Image/TronCostume/leg_back.jpg lol who's leg did you chop off
00:58 < veteran> wow you deserve to be reported to your ISP for that image
00:58 < rsbeq-cam> haha
00:59 < BleuLlama> http://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Image/2003/10/wtfbrb.jpg
00:59 < BleuLlama> coob: a friend gave me that. i was gonna make a lamp out of it, never got around to it. heh
00:59 < veteran> " pulsate/blink/change color to the loudness or beat of the music"
00:59 < rsbeq-cam> As it says on the site...
01:00 < rsbeq-cam> Is that your car?
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01:00 < BleuLlama> nope. not my car.
01:00 < rsbeq-cam> k
01:01 < BleuLlama> this is my car: http://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Image/2002/01/car/
01:01 < BleuLlama> which doesn't quite look like that now... heh.  bumper is f'ed up...
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01:01 < rsbeq-cam> I see
01:02 < rsbeq-cam> Look, one of your RIT buddies came and went
01:04 < BleuLlama> ?
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01:07 < rsbeq-cam> Nevermind
01:07 < rsbeq-cam> wow: http://agylen.com/blojsom/resources/default/MPSvc.aspx.gif
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01:11 < veteran>  Notice  «Thank you for your interest in the project! The 4th gen ipod is NOT yet supported. For voice, msg davidc__» —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n—
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01:17 < macPod> this is cool, 3 referrals in 5 minutes :0
01:18 < rsbeq-cam> Wow
01:18 < rsbeq-cam> All part of that "sell your soul to corporate america for an ipod" thing huh
01:18 < BleuLlama> ah! found it.  http://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Image/2004/Cast-Photo.jpg   that's on the set of the film i lent the costume for.. 
01:18 < macPod> nah, for the mac.. mine is dying
01:19 < BleuLlama> wish i had made a stormtropper costume instead
01:19 < macPod> bleu I have lost all faith in you
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01:19 < BleuLlama> i need to build a vacuform rig... that'd be awesome for making movie props
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01:20 < coob> http://homepage.mac.com/sideriver/cubesite/ipodcase/ipodcase.html
01:20 < BleuLlama> that came across gizmodo on friday. i believe
01:21 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o courtc ] by davidc__
01:21 < davidc__> courtc, handle voicing, I'm off
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01:21  * davidc__ is away: I'm busy
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01:22 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o veteran ] by Luke
01:22 < normalperson> wow, nice way to have a bigger bulge in your pants
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01:25  * veteran is playing with squid
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01:25 < veteran> so far it has inked all over the server
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01:26 < veteran>  Notice  «Thank you for your interest in the project! The 4th gen ipod is NOT yet supported. For voice, msg courtc» —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n—
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01:28 < rsbeq-cam> hahaha
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01:31 < Jonas_NZ> any1 here using windows and cygwin
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01:32 < veteran> unleash the masses!
01:32 < BleuLlama> i think some people do. yes, jonas.
01:32 < veteran> i sure hope not
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01:33 < BleuLlama> i use mingw on windows server 2003 at work, unfortunately
01:33 < courtc> ahhhh -m
01:33 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-m ] by Luke
01:33 < Luke> there ya go all
01:33 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-v joecool|food ] by courtc
01:33 < rsbeq-cam> If -m, vet should alter his msg
01:33 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-v Jonas_NZ ] by courtc
01:33 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-v kyelewis` ] by courtc
01:33 < kyelewis`> ..
01:34 < kyelewis`> ah
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01:34 < Jonas_NZ> umm
01:34 < Jonas_NZ> may i suggest the reason for the +m
01:34 < veteran> i got rid of the msg
01:34 < rsbeq-cam> ok
01:34 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-v cohmapapphome ] by courtc
01:34 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-v TheBean ] by courtc
01:34 < Etho> just out of curriosity, when will the 4g version of linux be ready??
01:34 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-v rsbeq-cam ] by Luke
01:34 < veteran> hahaha!
01:34 < rsbeq-cam> Why did you kill +m!?!?!?!
01:34 < veteran> it took, 8 seconds
01:34 < Jonas_NZ> cos davidc__ didnt want tonns of noobs asking for 4g version
01:34 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-v Wammy ] by courtc
01:34 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-v xemile ] by courtc
01:35 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-v zer0python ] by courtc
01:35 < rsbeq-cam> I don't appreciate that, Luke :(
01:35 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-vvvv ryanlrussell Wammy normalperson BleuLlama ] by Luke
01:35 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-o courtc ] by courtc
01:35 < Etho> is nilss here?
01:35 < Luke> i think he's afk
01:35 < Etho> ok
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01:35 < courtc> hes not afk.. just hiding ;)
01:36 < veteran> we're his bodyguards
01:36 < Jonas_NZ> courtc, david will have a spass when he gets back
01:36 < Luke> alright guys - Voices are devs, Ops are website admins
01:36 < BleuLlama> hiding from people asking "when will 4g be done" every 20 minutes.  let me tell you, we've never heard anyone ask that before.
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01:36 < courtc> hes not here..
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01:36 < veteran> anyone here good at mirc scripts?
01:36 < Luke> i run irssi
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01:36 < veteran> make an autoresponse to "4g"
01:37 < BleuLlama> sorry. not i.  i run ircII
01:37 < rsbeq-cam> No, but I sort of remember it being obvious
01:37 < rsbeq-cam> I once dissected someone's botnet script :(
01:37 < Luke> hahaha
01:37 < Luke> no i think the last thing we need is a bot =P
01:37 < CapHector> I want linux for iPod 5G.
01:37 < rsbeq-cam> no, no, like zombies
01:37 < rsbeq-cam> Bye, CapHector 
01:37 < BleuLlama> cap: ipod photo not supported yet
01:38 < CapHector> OK, iPod 6G.
01:38 < BleuLlama> and no. you weren't funny. fuck off.
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01:38 < Luke> guys please dont make me have to +m again
01:38 < Luke> that means you CapHector 
01:38 < CapHector> Sorry. :-/
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01:39 < dynemo> Is there any plans for networking support for the iPodLinux?
01:39 < Jonas_NZ> dynemo
01:39 < Jonas_NZ> yes
01:39 < Jonas_NZ> read the wiki
01:39 < veteran> NO DONT
01:39 < rsbeq-cam> It works right now, it's just broken
01:39 < veteran> lol
01:39 < Jonas_NZ> or is that down ?
01:39 < Jonas_NZ> :P
01:39 < dynemo> it's been slashdotted
01:39 < veteran> right through the heart
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01:39 < rbn> how did you run the code to make the piezzo beep?
01:39 < Jonas_NZ> boot loader
01:40 < nilss> basically copied it to the first partition on the harddisk
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01:40 < rbn> ok
01:40 < CapHector> It'd be cool if someone made an IR device for iPod for beaming.
01:40 < SpaceNuts> congratulations to those guys who extracted the flashrom using the piezzo
01:40 < piratePenguin> how long for proper 4g support, do ya's think?
01:40 < rsbeq-cam> Someone was working on that, CapHector 
01:40 < rsbeq-cam> I think it was macpod
01:40 < BleuLlama> pirate: you know better. 
01:40 < SpaceNuts> is the author of the article here?
01:40 < dynemo> it would be cool if the ipod could interface with a hub somehow, maybe incorporate snort capabilities in it for troubleshooting reasons
01:41 < rsbeq-cam> Ugh
01:41 < BleuLlama> dyn: write it.
01:41 < piratePenguin> SpaceNuts: no
01:41 -!- Luke changed the topic of #ipodlinux to: http://www.ipodlinux.org/ || uCLinux-2.4.24-iPod2 now available on www.ipodlinux.org for download (still no 4g or mini support (or shuffle) Visit http://www.ipodlinux.org/4g before asking) || Dev Team are voiced, website admins are ops
01:41 < dynemo> i am programmatically challenged
01:41 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: umm.. no I dont
01:41 < SpaceNuts> piratePenguin: thx
01:41 < rsbeq-cam> How the deuce would it interface with cat5?
01:41 < nilss> piratePenguin: hmm? i am here ;)
01:41 < piratePenguin> :o your opped!
01:41 < CapHector> Ethernet to Dock connector/Firewire? ;-)
01:41 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v BleuLlama ] by Luke
01:41 < BleuLlama> pirate: you've been here enough to know that asking that question is stupid
01:41 < dynemo> there are usb to cat 5 wires, no?
01:41 < BleuLlama> ty. luke
01:42 < SpaceNuts> nilss: there is a small typo on you page, it says: The iPod is just a cardboard box in which Samsung send me my laptop back.
01:42 < SpaceNuts> Now I don't thinnk you iPod is just a cardboard box now is it :D
01:42 < rsbeq-cam> I've not seen FW-cat5, but who knows
01:42 < nilss> hmm yea
01:43 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v rsbeq-cam ] by Luke
01:43 < SpaceNuts> great work, and what a solution, congratulations, unbelievable
01:43 < dynemo> but isn't there a firewire to usb connector?  i am sure something could be jerry-rigged
01:43 < BleuLlama> is the channel gonna be +m soon?
01:43 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: yer, I be here, but I rarely pay attention since my ipod broke ...
01:43 < rbn> this may be an annoying q, but are you thinking of shuffle support? what could linux possibly do on the shuffle?
01:43 < CapHector> Boot something else.
01:43 < rsbeq-cam> rbn: Nothing useful, probably
01:43 < rbn> lol, okay
01:43 < Jonas_NZ> dynemo, explain tome how 6 ethernet cables can come out of 4 usb / firewire pins
01:44 < BleuLlama> rbn: no.  that's like asking if you can port linux to a light bulb.  it doesn't work like that.
01:44 < courtc> rbn- just perhaps handle different formats :/
01:44 < rsbeq-cam> eth is 4...
01:44 < sdoradus> May a complete stranger ask a couple of technical questions?
01:44 < SpaceNuts> rbn: I don;t think it has a piezzo, so booting will be a prob
01:44 < dynemo> eth is 4, no?
01:44 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: nice analogy
01:44 < rsbeq-cam> SpaceNuts: what?
01:44 < rsbeq-cam> err, sdoradus: what?
01:44 < sdoradus> I see uClinux is mentioned.
01:44 < SpaceNuts> :d
01:44 < rsbeq-cam> sorry, SpaceNuts :)
01:44 < SpaceNuts> np
01:44 < rsbeq-cam> Uh huh...
01:44 < sdoradus> Does this mean no memory management hardware in an iPod?
01:44 < Jonas_NZ> rsbeq-cam, as far as i know eth uses all 6 wires
01:44 < rsbeq-cam> Yup
01:44 < rsbeq-cam> no MMU
01:45 < rsbeq-cam> Jonas_NZ: No, 4/8
01:45 < rbn> BleuLlama, i dont get it. the shuffle could have linux on it. a lightbulb could not.
01:45 < courtc> dynemo- what? eth/fw
01:45 < sdoradus> Shucks, like a Palm then
01:45 < BleuLlama> rbn: okay. how's this.  You can't port linux to a machine that doesn't have a programmable cpu.  better?
01:45 < dynemo> courtc, no.  ethernet uses 4 out of 8 wires
01:45 < rbn> thanks
01:45 < sdoradus> Yes.
01:45 < sdoradus> 8 wires can be used for differential encoding
01:46 < SpaceNuts> rbn: it is actually like every other mp3 player, mostly with a mpeg decode chip in it
01:46 < courtc> oh, i though you were speculating ipv? ..
01:46 < sdoradus> = faster, more reliable
01:46 < rbn> so the shuffle firmware is not on the same flash as the music
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01:46 < SpaceNuts> rbn: not sure, don't know that much about it
01:46 < rsbeq-cam> OH NO THE NSA
01:46 -!- NSA is now known as \0x0000
01:47 < \0x0000> someone registered it :(
01:47 < sdoradus> An \0xymoron?
01:47 < Jonas_NZ> ahhh the NSA went under cover
01:47 < rsbeq-cam> Haha
01:47 < \0x0000> yeah i am an oxymoron, how did you know? is it really that obvious?
01:47 < SpaceNuts> he
01:47 < rsbeq-cam> It shows
01:47 < sdoradus> :-)
01:48 < rsbeq-cam> you 0x-y moron
01:48 < BleuLlama> wow. you're stupid *AND* annoying.
01:48 < \0x0000> after you got slashdotted, how many people joined this irc channel?
01:48 < sdoradus> Me, for one.
01:48 < BleuLlama> all of the idiots showed up
01:48 < SpaceNuts> well cya, it's 3am here, and I am falling asleep behind my pc :(
01:48 < Jonas_NZ> it went from 30 to 70+
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01:48 < \0x0000> BleuLlama: like me :)
01:49 < SpaceNuts> he me too, just wanted to tell them they did a great job
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01:49 < SpaceNuts> bye
01:49 < piratePenguin> gl
01:49 < veteran> usually around 40 people in here
01:49 < BleuLlama> if the shoe fits.
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01:49 < Luke> usually about 5 of us talk =)
01:49 < sdoradus> I was simply curious. First time I even knew an iPod had a reasonably capable CPU.
01:49 < BleuLlama> okay. i gotta shut up.  i'm being rude.
01:49 < Jonas_NZ> yeah
01:49 < piratePenguin> yup
01:49 < veteran> dual cpu, at that :D
01:50 < sdoradus> Really!?
01:50 < veteran> yep!
01:50 < rsbeq-cam> Really!
01:50 < courtc> we're up to ~50 normally
01:50 < Jonas_NZ> well 1 cpu two cores
01:50 < sdoradus> Crikey. How is uClinux coping with that?
01:50 < BleuLlama> heya courtc.
01:50 < \0x0000> first guy says its sually 30, next guy said usually 40, and alst guy says its sually 50......
01:50 < courtc> hi!
01:50 < rsbeq-cam> It's not being used like normal SMP
01:50 < Luke> haha
01:50 < veteran> well we usually have ~800 idlers
01:50 < veteran> and 30 active
01:50 < veteran> that's what he meant.
01:51 < sdoradus> \0x0000: Just the effects of An0xia
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01:51 < coob> anorexia's phat.
01:51 < rsbeq-cam> hah
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01:52 < Jonas_NZ> btw who maintains the windows iPL installer
01:52 < courtc> Phythos
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01:52 < courtc> or Pythos.. w/e
01:53 < veteran> phyntos
01:53 < veteran> pinto?
01:53 < BleuLlama> nonesuch: no scheduled date.
01:53 < \0x0000> damn, i am an idiot, i have no idea how you guys cot the code for the bootloader
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01:54 < BleuLlama> RCRO: no scheduled date.
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01:54 < BleuLlama> w00t. got it in there before he left
01:54 < Luke> haha
01:55 < Luke> good work
01:55 < sdoradus> Read http://www.ipodlinux.org/stories/piezo/index.html. And don't worry, that's not idiotic. It must have taken Nilss a while to figure it out.
01:55 < courtc> heh
01:55 < Luke> it only took him a couple weeks
01:55 < BleuLlama> \o/
01:55 < BleuLlama> he had some help from other people around here too, but he had the initiative to actually do it. 
01:55 < \0x0000> i read it, ut i have no idea how the sound contains the contents of the flashrom
01:56 < \0x0000> *but
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01:56 < nilss> weeks? 4 days ;)
01:56 < sdoradus> Jeepers, that's right, over the Xmas holidays. That is moving quite fast.
01:56 < Jonas_NZ> damm, it does any1 have a copy of the install instructions for linux, trying to do it manually under windows :( and the wiki is off
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01:57 < sdoradus> Blame me and all the other slashdotters
01:57 < BleuLlama> wait a day for the /. effect to die down, then read the wiki
01:57 < BleuLlama> nicroma, josh; no scheduled date yet.
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01:57 < nicroma> what are the benefits of ipod linux?
01:57 < darkonc> For the slashdotted nills site, have you considered using GoogleAdds to pay for the extra bandwidth?
01:57 < sdoradus> Cool
01:58 < sdoradus> As in, supercool. Since an iPod is already cool.
01:58 < Luke> darkonc: we are sponsored - we dont need ads
01:58 < rsbeq-cam> ads couldn't hurt.....
01:58 < rsbeq-cam> It's like free money!
01:58 < courtc> ads hurt..
01:58 < BleuLlama> nic: more file formats, more games, more music types
01:58 < rsbeq-cam> Why?
01:58 < Jonas_NZ> but make sure its not advertising /.
01:58 < rsbeq-cam> Just put it on the temporary page
01:58 < josh_> hi all, I've got a 4G ipod and am rather proficient in development (not highly acquainted w/the Linux kernel internals tho) - could I be any help to you? Testing? Bugfixes? Etc.
01:59 < courtc> its like free eye sores..
01:59 < nicroma> does ipod linux run the same as the normal ipod OS?
01:59 < Luke> josh_: wait till the slashdot flood is over then read the site
01:59 < BleuLlama> nic: that question doesn't make sense
01:59 < Luke> nicroma: what do you mean by normal?
01:59 < darkonc> Putting googleads on my website slows down the loading... but it does manage to bring in enough to cover the extra bandwidth.
01:59 < sdoradus> As far as iPod Linux utility is concerned, consider this. For a while, my Xbox (equipped with Xbox Linux) was my portable computer. It had a very large HDD. Much more than most laptops. Now we have the potential of carrying around a pocket Linux hard drive.
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02:00 < nicroma> does the ipod linux distro appear and operate the same as the ipod OS?
02:00 < darkonc> Luke says that they already have a sponsor, though, so I'm guessing that the real problem is simply bandwidth access and server loading.
02:00 < rsbeq-cam> nicroma: not really, but it mimics parts of it
02:00 < coob> nicroma: similar.
02:00 < Luke> darkonc: thats correct
02:00 < Gigamonkey> Hi
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02:00 < BleuLlama> nic: it can, but it doesn't have to... you can write a new gui for it if you like
02:00 < Gigamonkey> Need a website mirror ?
02:01 < Jonas_NZ> no
02:01 < nicroma> awesome
02:01 < Jonas_NZ> we just wanna kill /.
02:01 < Luke> we dont get this ammount of traffic day in and day out so its not a problem
02:01 < coob> Gigamonkey: it's a wiki
02:01 < Gigamonkey> ok just checking went there and it was dead
02:01 < Jonas_NZ> every1 go to /. and refresh 100 times
02:01 < sdoradus> Gigamonkey, be careful. Slashdot can kill a WAN pipe.
02:01 < nicroma> i dont know much about linux, i have it running on my xbox, and have played with it a bit
02:01 < Gigamonkey> i got big pipes
02:01 < Gigamonkey> 8)
02:01 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah, he's on comcast
02:01 < Luke> Gigamonkey: its not dead - we just took it down to relieve server stress
02:01 < Gigamonkey> not at home silly
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02:02 < Gigamonkey> ok luke
02:02 < CapHector> I gotta big pipe. OC-something.
02:02 < Gigamonkey> thought i would come ask if you needed some support
02:02 < BleuLlama> come back in a week.  
02:02 < BleuLlama> if you're still interested.
02:02 < sdoradus> nicroma, If you got Xbox Linux (Xebian?) running, you're already ahead of the general populace.
02:03 < Luke> Gigamonkey: we are always looking for new developers
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02:03 < kwenda> i was wondering where the main page is?  i see the temp page to get rid of the slashdot people, but where's the page for us non-slash-dot-people?
02:03 < ZTNSPassBot> this is the server
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02:03 < Gargamaleon> Why did /. say there is 4g support?
02:03 < Luke> we didnt post that
02:03 < sdoradus> Second technical query for those sufficiently awake: Does an iPod resemble Mac hardware? Eg. Forth interpreter in open firmware, etc?
02:04 < Jonas_NZ> cos they dont read stuff properly
02:04 < rsbeq-cam> They're asshats, that's why
02:04 < rsbeq-cam> sdoradus: Nope!
02:04 < BleuLlama> sdor: forth interpreter is not apple specific... sun has been doing that since the 80s
02:04 < sdoradus> Shucks. I'll have to do some reading.
02:04 < mkf> i dont know, slashdot has been really spreading misinfo lately...
02:04 < Luke> sdoradus: wait till our site is back up and we have all the info there
02:04 < rsbeq-cam> Umm, did someone actually fix that >8khz playback probelm?
02:04 < mkf> ...and dupes
02:05 < sdoradus> BleuLlama, I know. Forth started out life running in the 3k address available RAM of an astronomical controller.
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02:05 < rsbeq-cam> veteran: Did the sever COMPLETELY go down now?
02:05 < BleuLlama> but using it as a bootloader is not an apple thing.
02:05 < veteran> rsbeq-cam - you're better than ping with no timeout
02:05 < Gargamaleon> Asshats own
02:05 < sdoradus> Oh, I see what you mean.
02:05 < ircleuser> ipodserver
02:05 < veteran> no, i'm setting up a squid http cache
02:06 < rsbeq-cam> Bargh, this is getting in the way of dev :)
02:06 < veteran> so we can put wiki back up without killing CPU
02:06 -!- ircleuser is now known as ipod-httpd
02:06 < rsbeq-cam> ok ok, tell me when you're done :)
02:06 < sdoradus> Be kind to slashdotters. They post when half asleep. As some among you I'm sure have done.
02:06 < ipod-httpd> working on porting dan bernstein's publicfile to ipodlinux
02:06 < nicroma> so if this isnt about 4G support, whats the big deal, linux runs on the other G's of ipods
02:06 < FromOnHigh> Bleu.. Is it in the realm of possibility for us to see Linux completely and exceed the Apple firmware in usage and functionality?
02:06 < sdoradus> Bootloader. Allows access to i/o
02:06 < Jonas_NZ> but alt least we dont have the power to bring down entire servers with a URL
02:06 < ipod-httpd> and i finally managed to get ipodeth1394 working on 2.6 today
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02:07 < veteran> FromOnHigh - it's very possible, someday
02:07 < BleuLlama> FOH: sure.
02:07 < ipod-httpd> hi veteran
02:07 < veteran> oh no
02:07 -!- ipod-httpd is now known as ipod-httpd-stegi
02:07 < Gargamaleon> Man
02:07 < Gargamaleon> This is awesome
02:07 < veteran> it's the ghost of the httpd process i killed
02:07 < Gargamaleon> Possibilities are endless
02:07 < FromOnHigh> Weren't things like say... FLAC or OGG support already discounted though?
02:07 -!- ipod-httpd-stegi is now known as ipodhttpd-stegic
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02:08 < BleuLlama> FOH: but remember; apple has lots of HCI people working on their hardware and software... we'll need some HCI experts on the team.
02:08 < CapHector> As I recall, the processor is too slow for FLAC or OGG ATM.
02:08 < courtc> FromOnHigh- FLAC  decoding runs fine up to compression level 7
02:08 < normalperson> I concur with courtc 
02:08 < BleuLlama> one processor: perhaps... but distributing the decoding load across both cpus? that'll have enough power to decode...
02:08 < ipodhttpd-stegic> leachbj: thanks for the patch for ipodeth1394, that worked great!
02:08 < normalperson> FLAC -8 maybe working soon, too
02:09 < courtc> ipodhttpd-stegic- hes away..
02:09 < Gargamaleon> Whats ipodeth1394?
02:09 < ipodhttpd-stegic> oh
02:09 < Gargamaleon> Something to dow ith FW
02:09 < courtc> eth over fw
02:09 < rsbeq-cam> It's so tiring being in here right now.....
02:09 < ipodhttpd-stegic> ipodeth1394 is the module for the 2.6 kernel that let's you see the ipod as an ip device
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02:09 < FromOnHigh> Thanks for the answers. Oye... Btw, sorry about your webserver.
02:09 < Jonas_NZ> ahhhhhhh, i want +m this is so n00bish
02:09 < rsbeq-cam> I wouldn't mind it either
02:09 < ipodhttpd-stegic> i successfully telnetted to the ipod today... bogomips=16!
02:09 < Gargamaleon> o
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02:10 < Gargamaleon> Why would you need it as an ip device though
02:10 < ipodhttpd-stegic> ah ha!
02:10 < Jonas_NZ> Luke: can we +m
02:10 < ipodhttpd-stegic> you could host a website on it then!
02:10 < courtc> telnet is useful on the ipod for debugging...
02:10 < sdoradus> Hm, 16 bogomips
02:10 < ipodhttpd-stegic> it's cool!
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02:10 < Gargamaleon> O
02:10 < Gigamonkey> man +m is so nazi
02:10 < Gargamaleon> That makes sense
02:10 < Gargamaleon> Thanks
02:11 < Gargamaleon> I couldnt think of a legitimate reason for a home user
02:11 < courtc> Jonas_NZ- this is the only vent for support atm..
02:11 < ipodhttpd-stegic> i'm having trouble setting the netmask on the linux box that the ipod is connected to so that i can see it from my other boxes on my net
02:11 < Jonas_NZ> k well
02:11 -!- Jonas_NZ is now known as Jonas|Away
02:11 < sdoradus> Can someone point me at iPod specs? I'm looking at Tom's hardware page for a 5GB HDD iPod. But a 4G is surely a different beast.
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02:11 < ipodhttpd-stegic> anyone a network guru here?
02:11 < sdoradus> ipodhttpd-stegic, can you do route -n?
02:11 < ipodhttpd-stegic> hmm route -n?
02:12 < sdoradus> Just so.
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02:12 < ipodhttpd-stegic> yeah just did it
02:12 < veteran> sdoradus - wait around a few days then check our site
02:12 < veteran> we have a ton of specs
02:12 < sdoradus> (*Sigh*)
02:13 < BleuLlama> apple-history.com also has specs
02:13 < ipodhttpd-stegic> what does gateway 0.0.0.0 mean?
02:13 < ipodhttpd-stegic> that it isn't set?
02:13 < sdoradus> That means you have no gateway.
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02:14 < BleuLlama> (although the ipodphoto specs are wrong (gfx res) and the shuffle doesn't have specs there yet)
02:14 < ipodhttpd-stegic> i have two entries in the table for the network card attached to the local network
02:14 < Base2-> Wow, lots of attention for this project!
02:14 < ipodhttpd-stegic> where do i set the values for desitnation?
02:14 < veteran> happy day =)
02:14 < kwenda> type "route add default gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
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02:14 < FromOnHigh> If Apple knows what is good for them, they'll hire the whole bunch before they can do any real damage.
02:14 -!- Gargamaleon [gargamale@dhcp024-160-196-177.ma.rr.com] has quit []
02:14 < sdoradus> Look for 
02:14 < sdoradus> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
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02:14 < sdoradus> <..snip...>
02:14 < sdoradus> 0.0.0.0         139.80.96.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
02:14 < BleuLlama> sdor: NO FLOODING
02:15 < BleuLlama> go to another channel to flood
02:15 < sdoradus> That was not a flood. It was a four-line post.
02:15 < courtc> we have #ipodlinuxflood if needed
02:15 < veteran> wiki is back up for a few seconds
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02:15 < BleuLlama> it doesn't matter.  be polite. throw that crap in the other channel
02:15 < sdoradus> Oh good.
02:15 < veteran> http://ipodlinux.org
02:15 < ipodhttpd-stegic> sdoradus can you pm me?
02:16 < sdoradus> veteran, Ta!
02:16 < sdoradus> Need URL fast!
02:16 < sdoradus> ipodhttpd-stegic, can you wait a little?
02:16 < Jonas|Away> dont like like it
02:16 < ipodhttpd-stegic> yeah
02:16 < BleuLlama> nice vet.
02:16 < ipodhttpd-stegic> btw, the search feature doesn't work on ipodlinux.org, did you guys fix it?
02:16 < rsbeq-cam> thanks vet
02:16 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/Generations <- specs
02:16 < veteran> temporary, seeing how it holds out
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02:17 < ipodhttpd-stegic> search works again
02:17 < ipodhttpd-stegic> great!
02:17 < Luke> please dont report website problems here for the time being
02:17 < sdoradus> veteran, Ta. Got it, thanks.
02:17 < ipodhttpd-stegic> sorry
02:18 < Luke> ipodhttpd-stegic: we know what doesnt work because we disabled it intentionally
02:19 < veteran> search was broken earlier Luke
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02:19 < veteran> mysql databse keeps needing to be repaired
02:19 < veteran> not very comforting
02:19 < sdoradus> Guys, I gather that the CPU is the PortalPlayer?
02:19 < Jonas|Away> 5020
02:20 < ipodhttpd-stegic> brb
02:20 < BleuLlama> sdor: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations
02:20 < rsbeq-cam> Why does it have to be repaired?
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02:20 < macPod> uncool..
02:21 < rsbeq-cam> haha
02:21 < veteran> not sure, either bug in mysql/mediawiki or disk problem
02:21 < mkf> wasnt it said that the PP5020 was not crippled like the pp5002?
02:21 < sdoradus> Dual ARMS. Hmm. 160MiPs. Double Hmmm.
02:21 < mkf> that w\it may be able to do ogg decode?
02:21 < rsbeq-cam> Crippled?
02:22 < sdoradus> If that's crippled, I'd like to know how.
02:22 < mkf> http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/ogg-vorbis-on-ipod-a-rebuttal-015738.php
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02:22 < Wu_Xia> .
02:23 -!- jcurry [~jcurry@mcha-ah031.taconic.net] has joined #ipodlinux
02:23 < jcurry> davidc__, is there support for 4g ipods yet?
02:23 < courtc> not arm5.. arm7tdmi
02:23 < jcurry> davidc__, :)
02:23 < Luke> jcurry: do you want to get banned?
02:24 < veteran> haha jcurry has a deathwish :D
02:24 < sdoradus> mkf, Thanks
02:24 < jcurry> It was a dare, guys!
02:24 < Wu_Xia> was that a rhetorical question?
02:24 < BleuLlama> imo, if the decoding load is split across both CPU cores, it can easily decode OGG... imo...  but that would require hacking it to work that way
02:24 < BleuLlama> not that i personally care.
02:24 < sdoradus> As I thought. Dual Arms each running at up to 80MHz should easily be able to decode Ogg.
02:24 < BleuLlama> i don't
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02:24 < jcurry> ...but congrats guys, this makes me happy :)
02:25 < BleuLlama> but it's not written that way right now.  sodr, if you want ogg decoding, get onto that team and help out
02:25 < sdoradus> Actually I'm more interested in the ultraportable linux aspect. uCLinux on Palm was a disappointment.
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02:26 < BleuLlama> how is ipodlinux going to be better than palm linux?
02:26 < veteran> haha
02:26 < sdoradus> Power.
02:26 < courtc> the arm cores run at 75mhz under linux btw..
02:26 < rsbeq-cam> Harrrrd drive
02:26 < sdoradus> The Palms that run uCLinux have small RAM, no HDD, and low-end processors.
02:26 < sdoradus> My Palm Tungsten E, for example, is quite rapid but no uCLinux support.'
02:27 < BleuLlama> so port it
02:27 < sdoradus> That was indeed on the horizon. But this project - which I had never heard of before - raises a different possibility.
02:27 < veteran> 214 sql connections, not good
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02:28 < Jonas|Away> vet: Sorry! The wiki is experiencing some technical difficulties, and cannot contact the database server.
02:28 < rsbeq-cam> Why so many!
02:28 < Jonas|Away> Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (11)
02:28 < sdoradus> That wouldn't be a MySQL worm issue?
02:28 < sdoradus> No, surely not. It only afflicted Windows MySQL.
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02:29 < veteran> haha the "worm" is called slashdot
02:29 < veteran> ;)
02:29 < rsbeq-cam> Aptly described
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02:30 < mkf> how about musepack, lol
02:31 -!- fourgigger [~[lame]892@user-119a4l0.biz.mindspring.com] has joined #ipodlinux
02:32 < fourgigger> Hi.  Is there 4g support?
02:32 < BleuLlama> fourgigger: leave.
02:32 < piratePenguin> rofl
02:32 < fourgigger> just kidding.  :)
02:32 < rsbeq-cam> It's not even funny as a joke.
02:32 < BleuLlama> OH! HAHAHAHAHAHAH THAT WAS SO FUCKING FUNNY.
02:33 < BleuLlama> leave.
02:33 < fourgigger> I wanted to stop by just to give some words of encouragement.
02:33 < rsbeq-cam> Or, to put it sarcastically, see what BleuLlama said.
02:33 < Jonas|Away> leave
02:33 < fourgigger> And to thank the community for their hard work.
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02:33 < rsbeq-cam> Nice recovery
02:33 < fourgigger> And,.. fuck all of you too.  :)
02:33 < Jonas|Away> k, now leave
02:33 < mkf> yeah
02:33 < mkf> leave.
02:33 < fourgigger> Yes, I can see you're busy.... on irc.
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02:33 < Jonas|Away> Luke: kick
02:33 < mkf> lol
02:33 < piratePenguin> that was evil
02:33 < Jonas|Away> lol
02:33 < macPod> anyone get their ip :)
02:33 < narf> You've got what managers refer to as a 'shit sandwich' the wrong way round
02:33 < piratePenguin> heh
02:34 < narf> Oh, he left
02:34 < rsbeq-cam> haha
02:34 < narf> I need to be quicker with my witty comments... and my witty comments need to be wittyer
02:34 < BleuLlama> same here
02:34 < narf> Fuck it, I'm just shutting up
02:34 < sdoradus> Um... veteran... maybe it would be a not bad idea to remove the dare from the substitute ipodlinux website.
02:34 < Luke> dont worry about it guys = he's just trying to get a rise outa us
02:34 < veteran> this has got to be the most sarcastic channel Ever
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02:34 < sdoradus> Visit Xbox-Linux
02:34 < veteran> sdoradus - haha no way! i'm having too much fun
02:34 < BleuLlama> vet: we have a lot of fuel
02:35 < sdoradus> It's inhabited by Brits with an evil flair for putdowns.
02:35 < sdoradus> And Finns who are too bright
02:35 < rsbeq-cam> brits, where the bloody 'ell did you get the idea that we're brits?
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02:35 < mkf> i think i got wma9, surround, and he-aac working at 120% realtime, all i had to do was use mind power
02:35 < sdoradus> Xbox-Linux
02:35 < veteran> mkf - wrong channel to say that in, bud
02:35 < mkf> my bad
02:36  * veteran throws his linux pc, linux ipod, linux xbox, linux microwave, linux underwear at mkf
02:36 < veteran> oh and my linus torvalds inflatable doll
02:36 < rsbeq-cam> hahahaha
02:36 < ipodhttpd-stegic> sdoradus:: i'm back now from a brief hiatus. do you have a sec to pm me?
02:36 < rsbeq-cam> at least clean the crusty stuff off the doll before throwing it
02:36 < sdoradus> Sure.
02:36  * mkf quickly dodges attack, launches counter
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02:37 < veteran> dear lord i hope they dont have bill gates dolls
02:37 < Jonas|Away> mkf too late
02:37 < ipodhttpd-stegic> can you initiate it?
02:37  * mkf gets +2 armour
02:37 < sdoradus> Done
02:37 < Jonas|Away> brb
02:38 < narf> Hah! And they say ipodlinux is only for nerds!
02:38 < sdoradus> veteran, There's a money-spinning op. Get a few voodoo dolls made up for people to stick pins in.
02:38 < narf> mkf has proved them all wrong
02:38 < veteran> haha i love the idea =)
02:38 -!- Grunt [~grunt@S0106000c413a1c49.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux
02:38  * mkf gets +10hp
02:38 < ipodhttpd-stegic> sd: just installed ircle for the first time, and can't figure out how to have you in a separate box to talk to
02:38 < ipodhttpd-stegic> without typing /msg all the time!
02:39 < BleuLlama> try double clicking the name
02:39 < narf> ipodhttpd-stegic - that's some nice wording
02:39 < BleuLlama> or use the /query command  (which is new as of around 1994)
02:39 < rsbeq-cam> whoah, that's too bleeding-edge
02:39 < veteran> -sigh- IRC needs to be deleted.
02:39 < sdoradus> ipodhttpd-stegic, I opened a private chat session.
02:39 < rsbeq-cam> Yes!
02:40 < rsbeq-cam> I agree, veteran 
02:40 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v ryanlrussell ] by Luke
02:41 < veteran> conversation grouping would make me smile.
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02:41 < veteran> all mice should also have two metal plates that shock you when you're kicked by an op
02:42 < narf> lo-- wait a second, that wasn't funny!
02:42 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah.........
02:42 < mkf> i think it would be very funny
02:43 < veteran> hm well you use windows media player, that's not comforting to me
02:43 < mkf> WHO TOLD U THAT!?!?!?!
02:43 < mkf> lies!
02:43 -!- mattmag [~hayesjunk@adsl-10-6-175.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux
02:43 < veteran> how many hours till we pass 100?
02:44  * mkf crawls into fetal position and cries
02:44 -!- mattmag is now known as jiub|friendshous
02:44 < rsbeq-cam> I don't know why people join and just idle....
02:45  * Grunt learns the hard way that hfs+ drivers are somewhat buggy in linux..
02:45 < nilss> mhm anyone know how i can rotate an image in php _with_ preserving the alpha channel? :)
02:45 < jiub|friendshous> because no ones talks about stuff
02:45  * Grunt subsequently reformats new ipod to vfat.  (shudder)
02:45 < mkf> magic
02:45 < veteran> imagemagick messes up alpha?
02:45 < veteran> what image format
02:45 < nilss> png
02:45 < rsbeq-cam> works fine for me, Grunt ... what happened?
02:45 < nilss> i use gd2 
02:45 < Grunt> rsbeq-cam, I got kernel bug errors..
02:46 < veteran> ah i've only used imagemagick
02:46 < Grunt> freezes and all
02:46 < rsbeq-cam> sucks!
02:46 < Grunt> indeed.
02:46 < mkf> has anyone thought of reiserFS support? does ipodlinux support it?
02:46 < rsbeq-cam> Ugh
02:46 < nilss> mkay, i'll try imagemagick :)
02:46 < rsbeq-cam> Why would we want RFS?
02:46 < Grunt> ooh, reiseripod
02:46 < Grunt> heh
02:47 < mkf> why not?
02:48 < narf> Well as arguments go both of the positions of 'why' and 'why not' are pretty fucking compelling
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02:48 < mkf> i try my best
02:48 < nilss> imagemagick works :)
02:49 < courtc> yea, gd is pretty nasty sometimes :/
02:50 < mkf> well for putting down 300 on a thing that plays music, i said to myself, "for 300, this better have RFS support," and if RFS was implemented, I would have found my justification for buying my ipod
02:50 < nilss> mhm
02:50 < mkf> simple
02:50 < mac_man> Congrats on the 4G bootloader
02:50 < nilss> imagegick doesnt work ;) the background is white 
02:50 < mac_man> just came by to say that and be just one more of those stupid /.ers ;)
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02:51 < nigga-please> if theres no 4g support how come slashdot says that there is
02:51 < rsbeq-cam> because they're stupid
02:51 < mkf> its slashdot
02:51 -!- enelem [~nlm@203-219-179-2-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux
02:51 < piratePenguin> slashdot lies
02:51 < coob> because slashdot is edited, run by, and read by morons
02:51 < nigga-please> lmao
02:51 < mkf> slashdot is not what it used to be...
02:51 < nigga-please> then wat do we have to read
02:51 < coob> fark.
02:51 < mkf> gizmodo
02:52 < mkf> engadget
02:52 < nigga-please> kool i ll start reading those too
02:52 < rsbeq-cam> the newspaper
02:52 < piratePenguin> haha... theres more slashdot "readers" here than ipodlinux ppl
02:52 < mkf> fark is cool too
02:52 < coob> all the cool stuff hits engadget/hackaday/fark before slashdot anyway
02:52 < narf> Cereal boxes
02:52 < rsbeq-cam> exactly, narf
02:52 < courtc> mkf- compile your own kernel and add reiser support.. I use ext2 rather than ext3.. no biggy
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02:52 < mkf> mind power doesnt hurt too
02:52 < mkf> and also, the o'reilly factor has pretty goo tech news, lol
02:52 < rsbeq-cam> What do you have against ext3?
02:53 < coob> resier ha[sd] issues with stability when unexpected power outages happened.
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02:53 < courtc> well ext2 was (1/80)% faster
02:53 < coob> so i dunno if it's most suited to the ipod.
02:53 < rsbeq-cam> 1/80% .............
02:53 < mkf> RFS4 is pretty fast
02:54 < rsbeq-cam> Isn't RFS made for small files/
02:54 < courtc> yea, in other words I wanted to test it out.. and It didn t make enough of a difference to matter
02:54 < mkf> considering most of my files are 4-6mb ogg/mp3 files
02:54 -!- joecool|food is now known as joecool
02:54 < mkf> they are pretty small...
02:55 < joecool> coob: reiser4 at the current time is more stable then ext3 could ever be
02:55  * Grunt wonders what the average song filesize on his ipod is.
02:55 < Grunt> ~4.6MB
02:55 < joecool> coob: although cpu usage is way too agressive for an ipod
02:55 < rsbeq-cam> Okay, all you kiddies, I'm out
02:55 < rsbeq-cam> Ciao
02:55 < Grunt> Bye rsbeq :)
02:55 < mkf> i made a guess, i do my mp3s at lame -aps and my oggs at q6
02:55 < mkf> songs are usually ~4min
02:55 < nigga-please> hey about how many hits was slashdot sending to you guys
02:55 < courtc> ooh lets waste mhz for a super fast filesystem :/
02:56 < Synapse-> nigga-please: I heard it was around 40,000
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02:56 < nigga-please> damnnnn
02:56 < mike8901> is ipodlinux stable/usable atm?
02:56 < nigga-please> and how many does /. get to their mainpage anyone knows?
02:56 < mkf> geez ok.. we'll just stick with vfat
02:56 < joecool> courtc: why not use xfs? which is the most stable
02:57 -!- Jonas|Away [~Jonas@210-55-34-11.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [No route to host]
02:57 < joecool> large files it handles faster then anything else also.. 
02:58 < mike8901> I have a 3g ipod(i gave my free 4g ipod to my dad) and it currently runs the stock apple firmware... would i gain anything by switching to ipodlinux at its current stage?
02:59 < mkf> depends on you
02:59 < nigga-please> how'd you get a free 4g ipod
02:59 < mike8901> well... can it play mp3s fluidly
02:59 < jiub|friendshous> magic, man
02:59 < nigga-please> i dont even have an ipod i always wanted one but they expensive lol
02:59 < jiub|friendshous> then learn english
02:59 < mkf> five finger discount
02:59 < jiub|friendshous> freeipods.com
02:59 < nigga-please> hunh?
02:59 < mike8901> nigga-please: are you serious, or are you trying to get me banned
02:59 < nigga-please> why mike?
02:59 < mike8901> lets talk in PM
02:59 < nigga-please> okey
03:00 < joecool> both of you.. talk in my channel
03:00 < joecool> #gentoo-cafe
03:00 < jiub|friendshous> no
03:00 < joecool> i want to hear it :P
03:00 -!- jiub|friendshous is now known as jiub
03:00 < coob> ok this is where having the wiki up would be so handy
03:01 < narf> Look, all you need to get a free iPod is five friends with credit cards
03:01 < narf> You then murder these friends and steal their cards
03:01 < narf> It really is quite simple
03:01 < nigga-please> lol
03:01 < jiub> i'm thinking of porting a version of lunar lander to ipodlinux
03:01 < coob> because all of this stuff is in the faq
03:01 < coob> and other parts of the wiki
03:02 < mkf> i think we should  port happyweed to ipodlinux...
03:04 < jiub> i think we should port your face
03:04 < mac_man> we should port your mom
03:04 < mkf> my face is beautiful... i would be so honoured
03:04 < joecool> haha.. X to ipodlinux.. opengl too, i wanna play some ET on it
03:04 < joecool> lol
03:04 < joecool> thats a "little" farfetched i think
03:05 < mkf> ipod photo + x.org + opengl + q3a = portable ET!!!
03:05 < jiub> the iPod has like no processor speed for X or openGL
03:05 < joecool> that would be so friggin awesome..
03:05 < joecool> but it would never hapen
03:05 < jiub> q3a would pwn
03:05 < jiub> but wouldn't work
03:05 < mkf> we can still make it work.... with MAGIC!
03:05 < jiub> we don't have the right magic
03:06 < jiub> i hope q3a comes out for the DS
03:06 < jiub> that would pn
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03:06 < mkf> well we have to find it
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03:06 < jiub> pwn*
03:06 < mkf> i propose a fork of the ipodlinux project
03:06 < joecool> i want to port some AI into the ipod.. we can make it a learning computer.. 
03:06 < mkf> we must form a committee...
03:06 < jiub> i propose a spoon
03:06 < piratePenguin> rejected
03:06 < joecool> and build a robotic case for it.. with arms and legs
03:06 < gmonster> whats the latest support for 4g ipods
03:06 < mkf> i will set up a wiki of various sources of magic
03:06 < jiub> ask davic__
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03:07 < mkf> i need someone to help me with the coding and obtain source for q3a
03:07 < gmonster> how do i ask him
03:07 < coob> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g
03:07 < jiub> get the source code fomr somewhere
03:07 < jiub> i got it, but it's huge
03:07 < jiub> how do you ask?
03:07 < coob> someone stick that in the topic again
03:07 < joecool> mkf: could we make the ipod a security device with magic? I'd like it to shoot out fire if anyone tries to take it
03:07 < jiub> he's at the very top of the list
03:07 < mkf> also someone to take the x.org source, use the magic from my wiki page to get the damn thing to work
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03:07 < narf> I'm pretty sure inverted pentagrams and blood rites won't *actually* get the iPod to run Q3A
03:07  * mkf starts wiki on magic
03:08 < piratePenguin> gmonster: ./msg davidc__ whats the latest bout the 4g?
03:08 < jiub> q3a needs like... more than 75hz to run
03:08 < piratePenguin> gmonster: without the dot
03:08 < veteran> anyone here good with mod_rewrite?
03:08 < coob> vet what for
03:08 < joecool> mkf: why not make something better then the ipod with magic.. like a 100 xenobyte hd with a 200 teraflop processing array in it
03:08 < coob> all i've ever done with it is matched refers and sent them elsewhere
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03:09 < mkf> i did find the magic that corresponds to processor frequency multiplication with little impact on power
03:09 < mkf> its on my wiki
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03:09 < joecool> mkf: and a battery that could power it for a month and charge in only a minute
03:09 < sdoradus> mkf, where's your Wiki?
03:09 < joecool> sdoradus: he needs to make it i think
03:09 < purenitro> site /.'ed :~
03:09 < mkf> recent studies proved it to multiply frequency by 25.3x with less than 1% power drain
03:10 < mkf> yeh my wiki was slashdotted
03:10 < joecool> link?
03:10 < jiub> i was slashdotted, byt your mom
03:10 < piratePenguin> ahem
03:10 < mkf> i really have to talk to my mom...
03:10 < mac_man> You mom goes to college
03:10 < joecool> jiub: hooked on phonics didn't work for you..
03:11 < jiub> nope
03:11 < jiub> i got hooked on hyroglyphics
03:11 < joecool> oh, how's that?
03:11 < jiub> i don't know, makin' stuff up
03:12 < purenitro> anyways congrats on the project guys... i cant wait for the 4G support... but hell my friends 3G runs ipodlinux like a beauty :D
03:12 < jiub> call 1800heiroglyph
03:12 < purenitro> hope the /.ing ends soon
03:12 < purenitro> peace
03:12 < jiub> only $20 plus $11.95 shipping
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03:12 < jiub> and then we'll keep cgarging your credit card because you can't stop us
03:12 < mkf> so 75mhz * 25.3 = 1897.5mhz, easy, no need for tremor
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03:14 < mkf> i also found the magic that corresponds to using heat generated by the processor to recharge the battery
03:14 < jiub> all you 4G people... will-burn.net
03:14 < mkf> with 75.60% efficiency
03:14 < BleuLlama> oh, everyone just SHUT THE FUCK UP
03:14 < jiub> or what?
03:14 < mkf> i havent found the magic that corresponds to that yet
03:14  * mkf starts looking
03:16 < joecool> mkf: how much magic will it take to multiply the frequency 25.3 times, AND keep 75% efficiency
03:16 < jiub> none
03:16 < jiub> it'll require your mom
03:16 < mkf> very little, i swear
03:17 < mkf> i heard that it works flawlessly with only 3-5 units of magic
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03:18 < mkf> we're working to get it down to 2 units, it will take a bit of work, but we are getting there...
03:18 < joecool> how can you get units of magic anyways?
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03:19 < narf> You Mom get magic'd me up an iPod with 1TB hard drive - there, I've just paraphrased the next 3 hours of conversation in here for everyone
03:19 < mac_man> what is a unit?  is it m^2 or something?
03:19 < narf> Complete with typos, apparently
03:19 < joecool> narf: might as well enjoy it then
03:20 < mkf> i think it is measured in cubic micrometres, lemme check the measurments for accuracy
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03:20 < coob> it's slashdot 'humour' in realtime :<
03:21 < mac_man> I could have swore it was mesured in terms of ipod^3
03:21 < narf> I'm drunk enough to enjoy anything short of getting electrodes strapped to my testicles. Oh, and now I've decalred how drunk I am publicly on an IRC channel because I'm just so kerazy (notice the 'k')
03:21 < mkf> nah we had to switch measurement standards
03:22 < mac_man> for a drunk he's really good at typing
03:22 < BleuLlama> for an idiot, he's really good at typing
03:22 < mkf> converting from LoC's and Volkswagens was a pain in the ass
03:22 < piratePenguin> rofl
03:22 < narf> Thanks... to both of you
03:22 < mac_man> lol
03:22 < joecool> man.. i should take some perk to really enjoy this
03:22 < BleuLlama> besides, he's not drunk. he's 14.
03:22 < narf> 14 and a half, tyvm
03:22 < joecool> lol
03:23 < BleuLlama> it shows
03:23 < mkf> lol
03:23 < mac_man> haha
03:23 < narf> :(
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03:23 < piratePenguin> 91 ...
03:24 < mkf> my project crew has already started a fork to port altivec emulation to the ipod
03:24 < mac_man> How many ipod^3 make up a volkswagen?
03:24 < mkf> just because
03:24 < narf> I don't know, how many ipod^3 make up a volkswagen?
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03:25 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: do you know how many ipod^3 make up a volkswagen?
03:25 < BleuLlama> yes, pirate. the answer is shut the fuck up
03:25 < veteran> thank God all slashdot.org referers are being redirected back to slashdot
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03:25 < piratePenguin> thats alotta ipod^3
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03:26 < BleuLlama> veteran: howso?
03:27 < mac_man> shut the fuck up: that must be roughly equal to 14,000 ipod^3
03:27 < sdoradus> veteran: That was clever. Is ipodlinux back up now then?
03:27 < veteran> rewrite rules
03:27 < sdoradus> Very good.
03:27 < veteran> it's fluttering between UP and NOTUP
03:27 < mkf> duh if you use google calc, you would see that i VW = 4009.36 ipods
03:27 < mac_man> oh sorry
03:27 < CompotatoJ> /ctcp #ipodlinux version
03:27 < mac_man> i was only 10,000 off
03:28  * sdoradus shakes his head
03:28 < piratePenguin> /ctcp #ipodlinux version
03:28 < piratePenguin> wtF?
03:28 < sdoradus> This deserves to be on bash.org.
03:28 < veteran> no.
03:28 < sdoradus> No?
03:28 < mkf> you see with the nonstandard units, it was really a pain to put the right units of magic to use
03:29 < BleuLlama> no, bash.org is for funny things, not sadly pathetic things
03:29 < CompotatoJ> Using the google calculator, umm:
03:29 < sdoradus> True.
03:29 < mkf> you should have been there when we were using cubits as measurement standard
03:29 < CompotatoJ> Is my the answer to life the universe and everything - 38 g ipod supported?
03:29 < sdoradus> I do see both, though.
03:29 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: if you can see past the "sadly pathetic things", its funny
03:29 < CompotatoJ> with ipod linux?
03:29 < veteran> next lame joke gets kicked
03:30 < CompotatoJ> k
03:30 < ponds> well at least the slashdot moderation system is really showing its worth, now that we get to experience what slashdotters are like with no moderation
03:30 < mkf> lol
03:30 < veteran> hm congrats that wasn't lame
03:30 < veteran> you survive.
03:30 < CompotatoJ> ..So this ipod walked into a bar, with a priest, a jew, and a black man..
03:30 < mkf> ROFL
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03:31 < piratePenguin> lol
03:31 < mkf> dude, steve jobs is the man
03:31 < mkf> he's totally sweet
03:31 < mkf> and awesome
03:31 < CompotatoJ> i love him
03:31 < mac_man> dude, he's a man
03:31 < mac_man> not a girl
03:32 < mkf> yeah, but he's totally awesome
03:32 < mkf> and sometimes mean
03:32 < CompotatoJ> Steve Jobs > Bill Gates >= Steve Balmer (Depending if he is yelling developers or advertising 15 year old OSs)
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03:33 < narf> mkf should write epitaphs
03:33 < narf> "He was totally awesome, but sometimes mean"
03:33 < mkf> steve jobs is sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants.  I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart.  he is totally awesome and that's a fact.  he is fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet.  I can't wait for the g5 powerbook next year.  I love apple with all of my body
03:34 < mac_man> do you have an apple logo tatoo?
03:34 < piratePenguin> "he is fast" :/
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03:34 < veteran> ipod talk please
03:34 < piratePenguin> yup
03:34 < veteran> no steve jobs romantics
03:34 < Jonas_NZ> amen to thatr
03:34 < mac_man> I used to have an ipod, but it died
03:34 < piratePenguin> BlueLlama: you working on a GUI for the ipod?
03:34 < CompotatoJ> And then suddenly he packs a Mac Cube, 1 button hocky puck mouse, and an OS with no keyboard shortcuts and calls it the "Ultra Mac"
03:35 < narf> Maybe now isn't the best time to paste me Steve Jobs haiku then...?
03:35 < Grunt> mac_man: died how?
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03:36 < mac_man> it was a 1st gen, and stuff got into the case, and made one of the buttons stop working, so that in turn made me push really hard to get it to work, and that cracked the motherboard
03:36 < mac_man> it was the menu button of all of them
03:36 < mac_man> the most used button
03:36 < Vanquisher> well my HD failed in my 2nd gen
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03:36 < Vanquisher> :(
03:36 < mkf> me sorry
03:37 < mkf> i did not mean to spam
03:37 < piratePenguin> my battery fucked up in my 3g ... I charge it fully and it only lasts 3mins or so
03:37 < mkf> plz 4giv m3 plz
03:37 < Jonas_NZ> kick him for spamming
03:37 < Grunt> mac_man: ouch
03:37 < mkf> i found the magic that corresponds to everlasting battery life
03:38  * mkf ducks
03:38 < Grunt> mkf: plugging it into a wall?:)
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03:38 < mac_man> grunt: yea, it sucked, but oh well, the battery never died, the HD never died, but the MoBo did.
03:38 < mac_man> I seem to have odd Apple product failures, just thursday, the power cord on my power adapter for my powerbook melted
03:39 < mkf> no, the magic is linked to a tech called Creative Harmonus Reactive Instant battery Savings Technology
03:39 < Jonas_NZ> with iPL you can still sync it with iTunes cant you
03:39 < Grunt> mac_man: melted?
03:39 < Grunt> ouch
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03:39 < mkf> if you belive in the C.H.R.I.S.T, your ipod battery will be replenished infinite times to get the effect of everlasting battery life
03:40 < joecool> aww get mkf back in here.. he was quite knowledgable
03:40 < piratePenguin> joecool: uhh... hes her
03:40 < piratePenguin> e
03:40 < joecool> oh man.. i'm wasted
03:40 < piratePenguin> or both
03:40 < mac_man> why is Christianity the only religion that people can pick on?
03:41 < Grunt> mac_man, not true
03:41 < Grunt> some people are perfectly happy to pick apart any religion
03:41 < Shados> Pick me Pick me!
03:41 < mkf> no im not really making fun of it
03:41 < mkf> im a christian myself
03:41 < Grunt> Shados: I don't pick apart religions...
03:41  * mkf ducks for lightning
03:42 < mkf> no seriously
03:42 < joecool> hindus are pretty funny though..
03:42 < Luke> mkf: are you just trying to cause problems?
03:42 < mkf> no not at all
03:42 < mac_man> seems like it to me
03:43 < joecool> Luke: i think he's trying to be serious 
03:43 < courtc> damn, at least stay on-topic
03:43 < Luke> mkf: then keep the topic away from religion
03:43 < joecool> what topic?
03:43 < Vanquisher> slap a hindu a piece of meat
03:43 < Vanquisher> slap em with it
03:43 < joecool> mooo
03:43 < Luke> joecool: the topic of discussion
03:43 < joecool> Luke: hindus?
03:43 < Luke> ...
03:43 < Vanquisher> cows?
03:43  * piratePenguin slaps a hindu around with a piece of large trout
03:43 < Vanquisher> piratePenguin, COW!
03:44 < Vanquisher> PIECE OF A COW!
03:44  * piratePenguin slaps a hindu around with a piece of large cow
03:44 < Vanquisher> buwhahahahaahaha
03:44 < courtc> kick.......
03:44 < joecool> umm that would be beef
03:44 < Grunt> You people are silly.:)
03:44 < joecool> isn't that the other white meat?
03:44 < Luke> guys seriously stay on ipod linux topic please
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03:44 < joecool> no wait.. thats bad beef
03:44 < Luke> we've got too many people in here to be talking about random crap
03:45 < piratePenguin> random crap in #shorty114, right mkf?
03:45 < joecool> well it started out being about the ipod.. i asked if we could run some opengl on it.. i should reference my 6th gen ipod i just got from 2011
03:46 < mkf> i have a 6th gen too
03:46 < Grunt> joecool, it's only 6th gen?
03:46 < Grunt> I would've thought by 2011 that it would be 9th gen or so
03:46 < mkf> but we need more testers at my site
03:46 < veteran> veteran is back
03:46 < veteran> should i scroll up?
03:46 < Grunt> Maybe it's an antique in its day, joecool?
03:46 < courtc> no
03:46 < Grunt> Or did they replace it with something else after 6th gen?
03:47 < Vanquisher> 6th gen pfft
03:47 < joecool> Grunt: well i wanted to work on a 6th gen.. the 9th gen is introduced in 2016.. there needed to be some more breakthroughs in processing power and magnetic storage
03:47 < courtc> veteran- don't, it'd be a waste of life
03:47 < Luke> hahaha
03:47 < Vanquisher> i went to the year 30000 and got the Ipod Dexlue Death Ray
03:47 < veteran> haha uh well that seems to be my specialty
03:47 < Vanquisher> it plays music / has the ability to cause world desctruction
03:47 < Vanquisher> :)
03:47 < joecool> yeah, battery power is an issue.. there hasn't been many improvements in the future on it
03:48 < Grunt> And what of ipod minis?:)
03:48 < mkf> i could only get as far as 2050...
03:48 < joecool> fuel cells might be introduced eventually..
03:48 < veteran> http://www.slashdot.org referers now get a special page
03:48 < mkf> my magic is not strong enough
03:48 < joecool> mkf: don't worry.. by 2050 you'll be able to make a clone of yourself and transfer your consciouness to it
03:49 < Shados> Well you see the 6th generation IPod is great, it can hold the entire british punk collection 10 times over on its harddrive, but its battery power only lasts 3 hours
03:49 < Luke> thats enough guys
03:49 < Vanquisher> i have become an ipod
03:49 < Vanquisher> we did a fusion dance
03:49 < Luke> this channel is for iPodLinux support and discussion
03:49 < Luke> any more of this random crap will get you banned
03:49 < Vanquisher> i am a supreme being of MP3 playing!
03:49 < joecool> Luke: just for tonight?
03:49 < Vanquisher> buwhahaahahaha
03:49 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b *!*van@vanquisher.user ] by Luke
03:49 -!- Vanquisher was kicked from #ipodlinux by Luke [Luke]
03:50 < Luke> forever
03:50 < Luke> how can people ask serious questions when your spamming this crap
03:50 < joecool> aww.. i meant the random crap for tonight.. slashdot is like a full moon, it does weird stuff to people
03:50 < Luke> and i'm getting sick of reading it all
03:50 < veteran> squid is beautiful. enough said.
03:50 < mkf> i just came back from 2050... steve jobs is president of the iStates of Earth
03:50 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b *!*m1ke@*.nwrk.east.verizon.net ] by Luke
03:50 -!- mkf was kicked from #ipodlinux by Luke [Luke]
03:50 < veteran> ah you beat me to it
03:50 < Luke> hehe
03:50 < Luke> you get the next one
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03:51 < veteran> aw you're generous
03:51 < Luke> haha
03:51 < Luke> joecool's on the way to being banned
03:51 < joecool> mmm what happened to +m'ing the channel do to the mad rush of crazed slashdotters?
03:51 < narf> I was leaving in a second anyway... I could say something stupid before I go?
03:51 < Luke> that shouldnt be needed
03:52 < joecool> oh well.. at least i'll direct the crap offa you guys.. umm random discussions, goto #gentoo-cafe
03:52 < Luke> joecool: please dont solicit other channels in here
03:53 < joecool> Luke: ok.. just trying to help
03:53 < Luke> you've been enough of a help already
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03:54 < joecool> Luke: ok, i'm outta slashdot mode now.. i'll idle till something of value comes up
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03:56 < Jonas_NZ`> nills are you here?
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03:56 < Van> w00t
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03:57 < sdoradus> Hm, another Kiwi
03:57 < Luke> oh crap sorry veteran that one was yours
03:57 < Jonas_NZ`> sdoradus, im not another kiwi
03:57 < sdoradus> No?
03:57 < Jonas_NZ`> im the kiwi
03:57 < veteran> >:o
03:57 < Jonas_NZ`> i beleive i was the first kiwi in this channell
03:57 < narf> w00t - there one for veteran
03:57 < sdoradus> Me too. 
03:58 < veteran> it's like a tennis match
03:58 < Jonas_NZ`> sdoradus, when was the first time u were here
03:58  * joecool serves veteran Jonas_NZ 
03:58 < Jonas_NZ`> nilss you here
03:58 < nonesuch> Luke, can you tell us more about how you're reverse-engineering the bootloader code?
03:58 < sdoradus> Er... an hour or so ago
03:58 < veteran> there we go, an ipod topic!
03:58 < Jonas_NZ`> sdoradus, i was here like 4 months ago
03:58 < Luke> nonesuch: i didnt do the reverse engineering - bern did
03:59 < sdoradus> I humbly cede priority to the definite article
03:59 < Jonas_NZ`> veteran, if nilss would respond i would ask him a iPl q as well
03:59 < Luke> nonesuch: leachbj == bern
03:59 < nonesuch> ah
03:59 < Luke> he's the project manager
03:59 < nonesuch> i guess he's not around then.
03:59 < Jonas_NZ`> hes sleeping
04:00 < Luke> its early morning for him
04:00 < nonesuch> ok.
04:00 < macPod> the firmware is reversed via this process:
04:00 < macPod> 1. Extract the firmware from the iPod (what nilss did)
04:01 < macPod> 2. run it through an arm disassembler to dump th eobject code
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04:01 < macPod> 3. painfully look through it and see what does what,
04:01 < macPod> what addresses are used to control devices
04:01 < macPod> etc
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04:01 < nonesuch> yeah, I was wondering about techniques for step 3
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04:02 < macPod> it's trial and error
04:02 < macPod> writing program to find addresses
04:02 < joecool> macPod: did he manage to dump it all? or only the first so many bytes?
04:02 < macPod> and also rading comments left in the code
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04:03 < macPod> I'm not sure how much exactly was dumped however we have acess to everything
04:03 < nonesuch> how would you write a program to find the device addresses?
04:03 < macPod> you find an address
04:03 < macPod> try to figure out what that address may do
04:03 < nonesuch> and then write to it and see what happens on the ipod?
04:03 < macPod> and then send bits of code to it to see if that is in fact what ti does
04:04 < nonesuch> seems like there's a great risk of damaging the hardware
04:04 < Luke> how so?
04:04 < Luke> i dont think *any* hardware has been damaged in this process actually
04:05 < pojiku> hey I know you guys are talking so ill be quick, is there any way of sending messages through usb or firewire such as emulating the ipod remote, enable voice recorder ect?
04:05 < macPod> the only real way to kill your iPod is to write over the flash 
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04:05 < narf> If you did that would there be an easy way back?
04:05 < narf> Or even not-so-easy
04:05 < macPod> you would have to pull out the chip
04:05 < macPod> put it in a programmer
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04:05 < macPod> and reflash it after dumping someone elses code
04:05 < Jonas_NZ`> pojiku, look on the wiki theres a think about the ipod remore
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04:06 < nonesuch> hmm... i can't think of a specific example, but i feel like i've read in datasheets that you shouldn't perform a certain sequence of writes to the device
04:06 < pojiku> I did but I couldn't find how to actuly send them, sorry I must seem dumb... I have found what to send just don't know what to use to send it
04:06 < oneself> ah - you mean the "self-destruct" sequence?
04:07 < nonesuch> ha! no.
04:07 < CompotatoJ> w00t its nills!!!!
04:07 < CompotatoJ> man nills u rukle
04:07 < CompotatoJ> rule*
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04:07  * joecool has lost all faith in the future of this world...
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04:08 < courtc> nilss- you around? goto dev;
04:08 < nonesuch> so now I'm curious. when people talk about bricking their pdas when installing linux on them, their problem is that they are unable to rewrite to the rom?
04:08 < Luke> the rom? the hdd you mean?
04:09 < nonesuch> no, the eeprom.
04:09 < nonesuch> or whatever it is.
04:09 < joecool> nono.. he was talking about pda's there
04:09 < macPod> the wrote to the flash on the chip
04:09 < Jonas_NZ> yeah cos they flash the flash
04:09 < Jonas_NZ> and cant flash it back
04:09 < Luke> oh pdas
04:09 < joecool> yeah.. thats different then a harddisk though
04:09 < Luke> exactly
04:10 < Luke> i've dont a lot to my ipod (including a lot before this stuff was proven even remotely safe) and its still fine
04:10 < Jonas_NZ> hey a question
04:10 < Luke> because of the way the bootloader is patched, the normal iPodlinux user should never have to touch their flash
04:11 < Jonas_NZ> if i have a boot image with firmware in it can i use make_fw to extract a certain firmware again
04:11 < courtc> yes, my ipod hd is dying slowly, but otherwise its never crapped out on me totally..
04:11 < Luke> hehe but courtc uses his ipod as a urinal
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04:12 < Jonas_NZ> arent they called "she pees" to be politiacly correct
04:12 < courtc> you are right.. and occasionally a baseball
04:12 < joecool> umm.. you guys do relize you are slipping off topic again
04:12 < ryanlrussell> Please do not eat iPod shuffle
04:12 < joecool> (slashdot syndrome)
04:13 < nonesuch> could you explain where the code is stored? I assume there's some rom where the bootloader is stored. is that not correct?
04:13 < ryanlrussell> It appears to be all flash
04:13 < nonesuch> i thought that's what was extracted with the piezo.
04:13 < macPod> there are two areas where the iPod software resides
04:13 < veteran> if a mod slips off the topic, it's much less severe
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04:13 < ryanlrussell> Apple updates will often reflash the firmware
04:13 < Luke> hahaha
04:13 < macPod> the hardware stuff is mostly in the flash
04:13 < courtc> on one of these suckers http://www.sst.com/products.xhtml/parallel_flash/39/x16/SST39WF800A
04:14 < macPod> the iPod os, (menus, music playing, etc) is stored on the hard drive in a 32 mb partition
04:14 < nonesuch> and that's where the bootloader is as well?
04:14 < piratePenguin> so its like, the kernel is on the flash
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04:14 < macPod> when you run an apple update, you are updating the firmware on the hd
04:14 < macPod> never the flash
04:15 < courtc> and the stuff in flash (disk mode, etc) is on the flash
04:15 < ryanlrussell> When you write the update to the hard drive, it may reflash itself on the next boot
04:15 < courtc> hmm.. that was rather redundant
04:15 < courtc> yea, what ryanlrussell said
04:15 < joecool> macPod: oh really? so the bootloader in flash controls other basic functions also?
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04:16 < macPod> the flash handles stuff like disk mode, diagnostic mode, etc as stated
04:17 < nonesuch> is there some program space inside the mcu?
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04:17 < ryanlrussell> MCU?
04:17 < joecool> k, is that true what ryanlrussell said about flash being updated through the hd?
04:17 < veteran> hahah " put windows ce on it."
04:17 < nonesuch> the processor.
04:17 < veteran> from slashdot
04:18 < courtc> no, he was lying... ... ...
04:18 < ryanlrussell> I *think* the processors only have registers for local memory
04:18 < joecool> veteran: NOO!! you're reading that shit, your brain is gonna melt
04:18 < nonesuch> sorry, I haven't looked at what chip it uses.
04:18 < Luke> veteran: i havent even read the slashdot comments yet =)
04:18 < Luke> veteran: usually they flame us a lot on there
04:18 < Luke> but its slashdot
04:18 < veteran> doesn't really matter to me, i have ~70,000 of their ip addresses
04:19 < veteran> one suggested "Remotely installing Linux on Bill Gates' personal computer!"
04:19 < Grunt> veteran, muhahahahahaha.
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04:19 < joecool> wow.. that many people hit the site after it was slashdotted?
04:20 < courtc> bah, I've done that..
04:20 < joecool> i would think like 10,000.. but theres THAT many slashdotters?
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04:20 < ryanlrussell> Taco claims to be hit from 500,000 different IPs per day
04:20 < nonesuch> so, which areas would you like newcomers to the project to work on?
04:21 < veteran> haha "i've done that"
04:21 < courtc> 4g newcomers or <=3g newcomers?
04:21 < nonesuch> 4g
04:21 < joecool> give them large sums of money
04:22 < courtc> Well you can start in the bathroom.. its gotten fairly nasty.. :/
04:22 < ryanlrussell> There's not much someone with a 4G can do quite yet
04:22 < ryanlrussell> Ha
04:22 < Grunt> ryanlrussell, unless that someone with a 4G has kernel programming experience :)
04:22 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/4g#What_can_I_do_to_help.3F
04:22 < joecool> i have some minimal kernel programming experiance
04:22 < Grunt> What courtc said.
04:22  * Grunt ought to teach himself ARM assembler so he can be of more help
04:23 < nonesuch> i'll contact leachbj about helping with the reverse engineering.
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04:24 < Jonas_NZ> courtc, any ideas where nilss is
04:24 < veteran> hiding from my bandwidth bill
04:24 < ryanlrussell> I could almost be useful at this point, but I don't know what specifically needs to be done....
04:24 < veteran> ryanlrussell - almost? haha talk about self-confidence...
04:24 < ryanlrussell> And by "specific", I mean what exactly needs to be worked on in the kernel?
04:25 < ryanlrussell> Hm, it's a realistic assesment of my Linux kernel and ARM skills. :)
04:25 < Grunt> Sounds like me.
04:25 < nonesuch> should we direct all these questions to leachbj?
04:26 < Grunt> Although I don't have a 4g.  I have a mini.
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04:26  * Grunt believes most of the assembly people are looking at running this on a 4g and not a mini
04:26 < ryanlrussell> As do I, but I've been looking at the mini code, so that's what I'm prepared to try
04:26 < Grunt> ah, that's good.:)
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04:28 < ryanlrussell> I made a tiny edit to the pp5020 wiki the other day... not sure what else to contribute yet
04:28 < joecool> veteran: how much is the bandwith costing you?
04:28 < veteran> nothing, it was a joke
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04:28 < joecool> ah, just wonderin :P
04:29 < veteran> hahahhaah!!!
04:29 < veteran> slashdot comment:
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04:29 < veteran> "...5bytes/sec? looks like his server is running the same code"
04:31 < Jonas_NZ> well that was a conversation killa
04:33 < Grunt> .
04:33 < Jonas_NZ> ..
04:33 < Grunt> Maybe we're all too busy listening to our ipods. :)
04:34 < piratePenguin> ...
04:34 < Jonas_NZ> ....
04:34 < piratePenguin> Grunt: I dont have an iPod :@
04:34 < Jonas_NZ> .....
04:34 < Luke> i dont either piratePenguin 
04:34 < Luke> hahaha
04:34 < piratePenguin> ......
04:34 < joecool> i need to finish learning some more advanced C and ARM... i'll help in like a month
04:34 < Luke> =P jk
04:35 < courtc> or perhaps we're all busy coding for our ipods... ;)
04:35 < joecool> i just work on kernel patches :P
04:35 < veteran> or perhaps we're all busy. take that.
04:35 < piratePenguin> heh
04:35 < courtc> ahh.. veteran wins again..
04:35 < Jonas_NZ> or prehaps....
04:35 < Jonas_NZ> 30 love
04:36 < joecool> Jonas_NZ: haha, you've run outta things to say
04:36 < veteran> hm webalizer can't read squid files =(
04:36 < veteran> logfiles*
04:36 < piratePenguin> I think my ipod (battery) breakage was an act of God or something... perhaps he thinks I should spend less time on #ipodlinux, and more time studying for my exams on Monday... hrmm...
04:36 < courtc> dumbalizer
04:37 < joecool> ipod battery is sony battery.. hmmm
04:37 < Grunt> the mini's isn't
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04:37 < joecool> oh really? who makes it?
04:37 < piratePenguin> on a full charge it lasts 3mins for me
04:37 < courtc> LogType squid
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04:37 < Grunt> I think it's a Sharp battery
04:37 < Grunt> I'd have to check though
04:38 < veteran> courtc - oh yeah?
04:38 < piratePenguin> Synapse-??
04:38 < veteran> hm my version must be old
04:38 < joecool> Grunt: mmm, i don't know much about the mini other then it seems a waste of money.. how is the battery though?
04:38 < Grunt> joecool, I've had mine for ~8 hours. Couldn't tell you yet. :)
04:39 -!- North [~Jp@syr-24-92-243-177.twcny.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux
04:39 < North> Just read the blurb on Slashdot. It sounds pretty cool.
04:39 < joecool> i still use my sony mz-n707 md player, with hacked firmware.. its a nice thing
04:40 < courtc> compare mini to 1g 5GB ipods..
04:40 < joecool> courtc: not much of a difference.. save size.. the mini is way too overpriced
04:40 < veteran> he did what you said...
04:40 < courtc> as was the 1g
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04:41 < joecool> courtc: well the 1g was some years ago.. the technology was there, but not as good as now
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04:41 < Grunt> sorry, it's not Sharp, it's Sanyo
04:41 < joecool> North: you shouldn't read so much /.  it melts your brain
04:42 < ryanlrussell> minis rule
04:42 < courtc> North- pretty cool? you mean super cool, right?
04:42 < piratePenguin> whats wrong with pretty?
04:42 < North> I mean ultra rippin kick a baby down the stairs cool!
04:42 < courtc> oh good...
04:43  * normalperson is listening to Siamese Dream by The Smashing Pumpkins and has a _very_ big smile on his face
04:43 < courtc> Is kicking a baby down the stairs really that cool?
04:43 < courtc> yay normalperson!
04:43 < normalperson> on Quiet (track 2) right now
04:43 < normalperson> :)
04:44 < Luke> normalperson: good taste in music =)
04:44 < courtc> Its not the taste in the music that matters.. :)
04:44 < Luke> haha
04:44 < Luke> .... alright
04:45 < courtc> normalperson- any reason to implement streams into the mpd client?
04:45 < Luke> ah i see
04:45 < normalperson> courtc: streams? that word is used all over mpd code I have no idea what you're talking about...
04:46 < courtc> haha, streaming music
04:46 < normalperson> courtc: if we had decent network support, I'd think about it
04:46 < normalperson> mpd already supports streaming, but it's broken under uclinux, haven't bothered debugging it
04:46 < courtc> Ok, then later perhaps.. I'll leave it open..
04:47 < normalperson> well, haven't really tried, gdb-ing it didn't help
04:47 < courtc> I'm just not checking for it ...   "time elapsed: 3756/0  Floating point exception" haha
04:47 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v normalperson ] by Luke
04:48 < veteran> don't you love cmdrtaco from ./
04:48 < ryanlrussell> Why?
04:48 < veteran> don't you love how professional he acts?
04:48 < veteran> http://www.ipodlinux.org/blog/index.php?p=10
04:48 < courtc> veteran- from what i can tell hes a dipwad...
04:48 < veteran> scroll down to his comment CmdrTaco
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04:49 < ryanlrussell> Yeah... I'm thinking maybe that isn't "the" cmdrtaco?
04:49 < Spider-X> you never know
04:50 < Spider-X> anyone have a fserve up?
04:51 < courtc> slashdot users are soo witty arent they? what are we twelve again?
04:51 < veteran> 83.31.20.203
04:51 < veteran> yep.
04:51 < ryanlrussell> You know, some of us are slashdot users.... :)
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04:52 < ryanlrussell> Whose IP is that?
04:53 < courtc> that doesnt mean i cant bash you, now does it? Of course it doesnt apply to all slashdot users, just most of the junkies...
04:53 < piratePenguin> don't say anything bad (true) bout the /. users... they've outnumbered us
04:54 < courtc> Yea, but I know a few ops that prefer us over them ;)
04:54 < piratePenguin> heh
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04:59 < ryanlrussell> Be nice to me, or I'll go whine in a Slashdot journal entry
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05:00 < courtc> yea, "courtc of ipodlinux.org was mean to me.." sounds like a typical slashdot entry ;D
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05:00 < Pi> hey
05:00 < courtc> Slashdot fan Pi?
05:00 < ryanlrussell> Hi Pi
05:00 < Luke> haha
05:01 -!- Pi is now known as Pi^2
05:01 < Pi^2> yes
05:01 < Pi^2> davidc__ tell me about 4g support
05:01 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b *!*Zoink@*.ns.aliant.net ] by Luke
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05:01 < veteran> luke, chill
05:01 < veteran> ffs
05:01 < normalperson> lol
05:02 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b *!*Zoink@*.ns.aliant.net ] by veteran
05:02 < Luke> its a script
05:02 < Luke> i turn y off
05:02 < Luke> hha
05:02 < rsbeq-cam> Hey you all
05:02 < veteran> hahaha serious?
05:02 < Luke> yup
05:02 < veteran> wow nice work
05:02 < rsbeq-cam> I fixed my problem!
05:02 < veteran> <3
05:02 < rsbeq-cam> Who's got a 3g and wants to do experiments?
05:02 < Luke> i ddint think anyone would actually say the exact line
05:02 < Luke> hahaha
05:02 < veteran> hahaha
05:03 < veteran> slashdotters are still getting the "WTF OUR SERVER IS DEAD" page
05:03 < pojiku> I have a 4G and may do the experiments if it helps
05:03 < rsbeq-cam> 3g, sorry
05:03 < normalperson> rsbeq-cam: sorry, I'm listening to the Soma by the Smashing Pumpkins on my 3g :p
05:03 < rsbeq-cam> Youuuu slut.
05:03 < rsbeq-cam> I mean, okay
05:03 < veteran> yikes i need to rotate logs
05:04 < Luke> haha whast the size
05:04 < veteran> apache logfile is 1.9gig
05:04 < courtc> :O
05:04 < normalperson> I love my SP music, especially FLAC -8
05:04 < rsbeq-cam> SP?
05:04 < normalperson> yikes!
05:04 < normalperson> SP == Smashing Pumpkins
05:04 < courtc> normalperson just had to throw that in ;)
05:04 < rsbeq-cam> Ah
05:04 < rsbeq-cam> Anyone using _show_voltage?
05:05 < Luke> veteran: haha ban anyone from the site that has a 1 in their ip
05:05 < normalperson> courtc: no, I was talking about the 1.9 gig logfile
05:05 < Luke> that'd be fun
05:05 < courtc> I meant FLAC -8
05:05 < veteran> or hostname containing "4g"
05:05 < normalperson> I hope apache was compiled with large file support
05:05 < rsbeq-cam> Man, nobody's feeling helpful tonight, are they :)
05:05 < courtc> I'll help...
05:05 < Luke> haha
05:06 < veteran> haha yes it is
05:06 < rsbeq-cam> You don't have an ipod :)
05:06 < Luke> i have an ipod
05:06 < rsbeq-cam> 3g?
05:06 < Luke> yus
05:06 < courtc> give me a bin and I'll split into 4 pieces and sed it for a few name and replece them with "cam"..
05:06 < Luke> its all scratched up
05:06 < rsbeq-cam> Mind loading up a pz binary I send you?
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05:07 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: ....what??
05:07 < courtc> Uh.. dunno..
05:07 < rsbeq-cam> That was kind of weird
05:07 < rsbeq-cam> Aww, man, this is awesome
05:07 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v rsbeq-cam ] by Luke
05:08 < rsbeq-cam> Now I just have to turn a hex number into a rectangle
05:08 < rsbeq-cam> And invent a lightning icon!
05:08 < courtc> haha..
05:08 < rsbeq-cam> Anyone particularly apt with imagining polygon coords in their head?
05:08 < ryanlrussell> court are you making fun of my sad little perl program?
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05:09 < rsbeq-cam> ryanlrussell: what did you make?
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05:09 < normalperson> np: Geek USA (the transition from Soma went perfectly)
05:09 < veteran> holy! courtc we failed in pageviews this month
05:10 < ryanlrussell> I took the description of the bits of the updater code, and wrote a perl script to extract the pieces
05:10 < ryanlrussell> It's on the "firmware" wiki page
05:10 < veteran> guess what the record in hits is for the month
05:10 < Luke> veteran: see what our standing is on sf
05:11 < veteran> Luke - sf stats have been broken since the 15th
05:11 < rsbeq-cam> Gotcha
05:11 < rsbeq-cam> You did that a long time ago, didn't you?
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05:11 < ryanlrussell> Me?
05:11 < Luke> veteran: damnit
05:11 < ryanlrussell> A couple of weeks ago
05:12 < rsbeq-cam> ok
05:12 < Luke> veteran: they're probably still tracking just not querying correctly
05:12 < Luke> at least i hope
05:12 < Luke> we gotta be up in the top 10 after this
05:12 < veteran> they are
05:12 < veteran> they just parse their logs and convert to stats
05:13 < veteran> nah not enough downloads from main ipodlinux project to be in top 10
05:13 < Luke> not those stats
05:13 < veteran> too bad windows/mac installers arent included in main project =(
05:13 < Luke> the page hit stats
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05:14 < courtc> 0,0; 5,0; 3,3; 5,3; 2,7; 2,4; 0,4; 0,0
05:14 < courtc> veteran- who won?
05:14 < courtc> and by how much?
05:15 < nunofgs> hey guys, I'm trying to compile podzilla on my mac os x, but microwindows is giving me problems. When I 'make' it, it tells me, Creating library /Users/nunofgs/Documents/Programming/ipodlinux/microwindows/src/lib/libmwobjects.a ... ar: no archive members specified
05:15 < nunofgs> any thoughts on that?
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05:16 < joecool> mmm i wish ipods didnt scratch so easy...
05:17 < joecool> you'd think that metal would be tougher against it...
05:17 < joecool> oh well.. i'm out
05:17 < joecool> need some z's
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05:23 < pojiku> hey sorry to mention the 4G but with the Article "4G Hacking" (http://ipodlinux.org/4g_hacking) what does the modified firmware allow?
05:23 < veteran> 4g isn't a bad word =]
05:23 < veteran> begging for 4g support is, though.
05:24 < pojiku> haha yeh but im scared to mention ask any questions that I may have missed the answer to:P
05:24 < pojiku> *
05:24 < ryanlrussell> The "firmware" isn't modified
05:24 < ryanlrussell> It is used to boot a ucLinux kernel instead of the normal iPod OS
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05:25 < pojiku> gotcha, thanx!
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05:26 < nunofgs> so, nobody knows anything about my microwindows error?
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05:29 < rsbeq-cam> Oh boy
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05:29 < Jonas_NZ> huh?
05:29 < Jonas_NZ> wtf
05:29 < rsbeq-cam> Floodbots?
05:29 < Jonas_NZ> yeah and i just got spammed shitloads
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05:31 < normalperson> courtc: let me know how the UI goes, I'm going for a walk since I can do that while listening to FLAC now
05:31 < rsbeq-cam> bastard
05:31 < normalperson> highly compressed FLAC >:)
05:31 < rsbeq-cam> wait, what's courtc working on?
05:31 < rsbeq-cam> And, normalperson, do you have some new thing?
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05:32 < courtc> rsbeq-cam- 3,0; 9,0; 5,5; 11,5; 4,13; 5,7; 0,7; 3,0....  
05:34 < rsbeq-cam> What is it??
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05:35 < rsbeq-cam> Is it just me, or does ipod linux eat battery like a starving child?
05:35 < NewAngel> it is demanding software
05:36 < ryanlrussell> I've heard it does, there's no power management implemented yet
05:36 < Luke> its because ipodlinux doesnt use cpu frequency scalling
05:37 < courtc> http://www.so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/bolt.png
05:37 < Luke> the apple firmware doesnt use the full cpu like linux on ipod does
05:37 < rsbeq-cam> whoah
05:37 < Luke> so natrually it'lltake more power
05:37 < rsbeq-cam> THAT's what you were talking about
05:37 < rsbeq-cam> How did you do it?
05:37 < courtc> overactive imagination...
05:37 < rsbeq-cam> whyis some red?
05:37 < rsbeq-cam> the endpoints
05:37 < rsbeq-cam> my ba
05:38 < rsbeq-cam> d
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05:39 < rsbeq-cam> Whee
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05:40 < rsbeq-cam> Anyone know what header defines outl and inl?
05:40 < rsbeq-cam> So I don't have to extern them to get the compiler to shut up
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05:40 < veteran> http://www.so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/wikistyle.png
05:40 < veteran> pretty cool
05:40 < courtc> while you're at it rsbeq-cam can you change the battery and what not to be screen_info.cols - (bat_width+3) or whatnot?
05:42 < nunofgs> I really really am hating this microwindows :/
05:42 < davidc__> gah
05:42 < courtc> hmm.. I'm getting less creative; whatnot twice in one sentence..
05:42 < davidc__> someone had the temerity to ask me about the 4g.
05:42  * davidc__ is back (gone 04:20:41)
05:42 < rsbeq-cam> hah
05:42 < rsbeq-cam> hold on courtc remind me in a bit
05:43 < courtc> ok, just while you're doing the graphics stuff.. so we dont overwrite code...
05:43 < courtc> heya davidc__ 
05:45 < mike8901> too many connections :<
05:46 < courtc> veteran- yea, once we upgrade to 1.4 I'll give you that entire theme if you want it.. or I can design another...
05:46 < Wammy> veteran
05:46 < veteran> wammy don't use this channel
05:46 < Wammy> then get on aim f00
05:46 < veteran> ugh no not aim
05:46 < Wammy> msn?
05:46 < Wammy> google?
05:47 < courtc> I have it working for me, but implementing a public theme on 1.3 is an ugly hack at best..
05:49 < Luke> for the wiki?
05:49 < rsbeq-cam> so courtc what were you saying about battery width?
05:49 < rsbeq-cam> what line?
05:50 < courtc> the battery needs to be positioned against the right side of the screen, not from the left...
05:51 < courtc> so it works on the mini
05:51 < rsbeq-cam> Hmm
05:51 < rsbeq-cam> The lock icon is messed up in that way too though isn't it?
05:52 < courtc> well the lock icon is on the left side of the screen so it doesnt matter...
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05:52 < rsbeq-cam> Why does it have huge coords in the 100s then?
05:52 < courtc> no idea, lemme look
05:53 < rsbeq-cam> ok
05:53 < courtc> it doesnt... the coords determine the pos..
05:54 < rsbeq-cam> static GR_POINT batt_outline[] = {
05:54 < rsbeq-cam>         {138, 6},
05:54 < rsbeq-cam> ...
05:54 < rsbeq-cam> that has to be from the right...?
05:54 < davidc__> veteran: the site is totally dead now :p
05:54 < veteran> i know davidc__
05:55 < davidc__> veteran: is that intentional?
05:55 < veteran> slightly
05:55 < Luke> hehe
05:56 < davidc__> I just meant is it down to protect the paying customers? or is the server gettin its ass kicked :)
05:56 < davidc__> [either is fine]
05:56 < courtc> yea, screen_info.cols-22 to screen_info.cols-3 should word great
05:56 < veteran> all of the above
05:56 < davidc__> veteran: alright
05:57 < davidc__> haha.. I've had 6 ppl ask me.. "hey.. are you the davidc__ in that slashdot story?"
05:57 < veteran> haha!
05:57 < veteran> see, i've made you famous
05:57 < macPod> vet what's up with your server now?
05:57 < Luke> hahahaha
05:57 < rsbeq-cam> Where do you want me to put that, courtc? sorry
05:57 < veteran> macPod - it's throwing up iowait
05:57 < rsbeq-cam> Gah, how am I going to get the timing for a charging animation
05:58 < veteran> haha lightning bolt
05:58 < veteran> come on
05:58 < rsbeq-cam> what?
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05:58 < veteran> needs to be more tux related =]
05:58 < Luke> ah thats right... windowssssss
05:58 < rsbeq-cam> bull
05:58 < courtc> rsbeq-cam- #ipodlinuxflood
05:58 < veteran> windows?
05:59 < Luke> isnt the xeon a windows box?
06:00 < veteran> hell no who do you think i am
06:00 < veteran> Generated Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:02:27 GMT by hope.sys-techs.net (squid/2.5.STABLE3)
06:00 < veteran> squid! =]
06:01 < Luke> haha alright
06:01 < Luke> i thought you said something was running windows
06:01 < veteran> oh, this comp is
06:01 < Luke> aah
06:02 < Luke> good luck with that =P
06:04 < Wammy> heh
06:04 < Wammy> i tried to install linux the other day
06:04 < Wammy> my bios kept skiping the CD rom
06:04 < Wammy> :/
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06:05 < Wammy> i unpluged every other drive
06:05 < Wammy> and it still didnt read it
06:05 < veteran> why didn't you rewrite the bios?
06:05 < veteran> noob
06:05 < Wammy> cuz im to scared to mess with it
06:05 < Wammy> lol
06:05 < Wammy> no it worked
06:05 < Wammy> i installed windows on here
06:05 < Wammy> i think i just need to recable up some stuff
06:05 < Wammy> speaking of which
06:06 < Wammy> ima try it now that i have some free time
06:08 < veteran> courtc - are you insecure with your choice of avator in the forums?
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06:08 < Luke> hahahaha
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06:09 < Luke> my kitty scared his monster
06:09 < courtc> haha.. its random..
06:09 < courtc> of only 2 pic right now... :/
06:11 < veteran> hm the wiki is too boring
06:12 < rsbeq-cam> it's ok...
06:12 < veteran> i mean the design
06:12 < courtc> haha.. perhaps the people who use it are just too exciting...
06:12 < courtc> oh god hes gonna upgrade mediawiki.. everyone get shelter ;)
06:12 < Luke> hehe
06:12 < Luke> just make a new theme vet
06:13 < Luke> you can choose one of the tother crappy ones if you like
06:13 < normalperson> rsbeq-cam: new thing, no; new code, yes.  It allows me to play FLAC at compression 0-8 instead of only 0-2
06:13 < rsbeq-cam> should the bolt be a white outline with black fill or black outline with white fill?
06:13 < normalperson> no asm, either
06:13 < rsbeq-cam> gonna commit it, normalperson ? :)
06:13 < courtc> mediawiki <=1.3 has terrible theme/skin support
06:13 < Luke> yea
06:13 < Luke> well the new stable will be released soon
06:14 < normalperson> rsbeq-cam: already up on my Arch archives, instructions here: ipodlinux.org/MPD
06:14 < rsbeq-cam> oh
06:15 < normalperson> I need to extract patches out to post to flac-dev
06:15 < rsbeq-cam> gotcha
06:20 < rsbeq-cam> anyone?
06:20 < Wammy|LapTop> im going to throw this thing out!
06:20 < courtc> ooh ooh send it to me!
06:20 < veteran> it's a pink ibook
06:20 < Wammy|LapTop> not htis
06:20 < Wammy|LapTop> the bios on my pc
06:20 < Wammy|LapTop> its not booting off the cd
06:21 < courtc> anyone, but mainly normalperson http://www.so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/mpdc.c
06:21 < rsbeq-cam> Doesn't anyone have a preference????
06:21 < normalperson> courtc: cool
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06:23 < courtc> it sucks so far, and half the functions are useless/unused.. but new_mpd_whatever() will do a "Now Playing" thing
06:23 < normalperson> gonna finish listening to this album (Lacuna Coil -- Comalies), and then test it
06:23 < courtc> dont even bother..
06:24 < courtc> the buttons are acting funny.. they give an error when pressed.. or perhaps its the following draw function... :/
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06:26 < veteran> oh i just remembered that helix mp3 decoder
06:26 < veteran> did anyone look into it
06:28 < normalperson> courtc: :/
06:29 < normalperson> veteran: I looked at it a little, but didn't get to the non-IPP part
06:29 < veteran> should we add to wiki's todo list?
06:29 < normalperson> IPP is sweet, but I don't think I can legally use it with GPL software (MPD)
06:29 < normalperson> I'd rather just optimize libMAD
06:29 < courtc> normalperson- are you upset at me?  it looks ok at least...
06:29 < normalperson> I've taken FLAC pretty far
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06:30 < normalperson> courtc: not at all, I'm very happy that you're doing something at the very least
06:31 < normalperson> compiling instructions?
06:31 < rsbeq-cam> veteran: Do you have stuff to add?
06:32 < veteran> to the todo list?
06:32 < rsbeq-cam> I would imagine there are new feature reqs/bug reports that haven't made it yet
06:32 < veteran> well a feature request system is on it's way
06:32 < veteran> courtc didn't remind me like he was supposed to
06:32 < courtc> I compiled libmpdclient as a lib and added it to the makefile..   new_mpd_whatever() needs to go in menu.c somewhere
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06:33 < courtc> DAMMIT veteran, get that damn feature request working..
06:33 < courtc> :D
06:33 < veteran> a little late now, it's bedtime
06:33 < courtc> last time i did that my website was defecated
06:33 < veteran> haha defecated!?
06:34 < courtc> yes, you shat on it..
06:34 < normalperson> I don't think veteran wants to have that used 1000000 times for 4g requests
06:34 < veteran> I don't think veteran wants to do anything.
06:34 < courtc> hahahaha
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06:35 < veteran> does anyone want to rotate my logs for me?
06:35 < rsbeq-cam> script??
06:35 < normalperson> logrotate?
06:35 < veteran> they're four directories away, too lazy
06:37 < rsbeq-cam> psh
06:39 < courtc> ok, yay, buttons work now..
06:39 < rsbeq-cam> huh?
06:39 < courtc> file updated
06:40 < rsbeq-cam> Can anyone help me find out a good place to put this redraw code?
06:41 < courtc> I can give you a place to put it, but its not good :/
06:41 < rsbeq-cam> Is there a way to check what timer generated a timer event?
06:43 < courtc> http://embedded.centurysoftware.com/docs/nx/nxstruct_GR_EVENT_GENERAL.html
06:44 < courtc> so: no not really
06:45 < rsbeq-cam> heh
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06:46 < rsbeq-cam> that's lame;
06:46 < courtc> which is another reason to modularize/PTKize
06:46 < rsbeq-cam> Wow, you know you've been coding too much when you end an English sentence with a semicolon.
06:47 < courtc> haha.. ... ... ... ...;
06:47 < rsbeq-cam> :P
06:47 < rsbeq-cam> I don't understand how the timeout works
06:48 < rsbeq-cam> but I don't think tha'ts what i want
06:48 < veteran> night all
06:49 < veteran> try not to have nightmares of slashdotter jokes
06:49 < courtc> night
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06:50 < courtc> timer_id = GrCreateTimer(dumb_wid, 75);  sets off a timer every 75 ms sends it to the event loop.. 
06:50 < rsbeq-cam> yeah, I did that
06:50 < rsbeq-cam> i'm hoping event->general.wid is useful
06:50 < rsbeq-cam> i'm using 1000ms
06:52 < rsbeq-cam> my   if(event->general.wid == root_wid) plan failed :(
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06:53 < courtc> you didnt read that link did you? :/
06:53 < courtc> it says "This field is unused for GR_EVENT_TYPE_TIMEOUT events."
06:53 < rsbeq-cam> I didn't see that, no
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06:53 < rsbeq-cam> I had the link open though!
06:54 < courtc> haha
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06:55 < rsbeq-cam> I don't get it.....
06:56 < courtc> actually now that I look at it niether do I.. I dont see where the wid comes in.. why do you have to specify it?
06:56 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah........
06:57 < rsbeq-cam> mw blows :)
06:57 < courtc> and the timer id only seems to be used to destroy it..
06:57 < normalperson> courtc: hmm.. keeps dying with Floating point exception, but it may be my janky podzilla stripping
06:57 < normalperson> I'll just let you work on it
06:57 < normalperson> and see what tricks I can play with MAD
06:57 < courtc> normalperson- when does it die?
06:57 < normalperson> once I run new_mpd_whatever
06:58 < normalperson> I'm testing it on my desktop, still
06:58 < normalperson> since I'm not sure I'm building it right
06:58 < courtc> huh, strange..
06:58 < rsbeq-cam> For some reason my timer loop doesn't even work
06:59 < courtc> pong.c displays a timer example in its somewhat chunky/ugly code..
06:59 < rsbeq-cam> I know how to use timers........
06:59 < rsbeq-cam> It just isn't causing events
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07:00 < rsbeq-cam> d'oh ;)
07:00 < normalperson> courtc: I posted my output in flood
07:00 < normalperson> I'm listening to my friends radio show right now, so yes, mpd can stream over http
07:01 < normalperson> it can even play FLAC streams if you have the bandwidth :)
07:01 < rsbeq-cam> had to add the EVENT_MASK
07:01 < courtc> ahhhh it'll crash if you are listening to a stream currently..
07:02 < normalperson> oh, hehe
07:02 < normalperson> ok
07:02 < normalperson> nm
07:02 < rsbeq-cam> wwwwwwoot
07:02 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: event->general.wid DOES word
07:02 < rsbeq-cam> k
07:03 < courtc> @wisebot todo add make streams work for the mpd client
07:03 < courtc> doh
07:03 < rsbeq-cam> ??
07:04 < normalperson> courtc: wrong channel, and don't worry about streams for now
07:04 < courtc> rsbeq-cam- that might give you the wid of the last event
07:04 < courtc> yea, it was a joke ;)
07:04 < normalperson> hehe, streams won't even work with my hacked up mpd when compiled for ordinary Linux
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07:06 < courtc> ok, I need a menu structure layout.. :)
07:06 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: I hope not :\
07:06 < rsbeq-cam> i'm pretending it isn't
07:06 < courtc> haha.. that works for me 50% of the time
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07:07 < darren> YAY the site is up!
07:07 < darren> =)
07:08 < darren> how do you install new games ipod linux?
07:09 < rsbeq-cam> sick joke?
07:09 < courtc> hope so..
07:09 < courtc> normalperson- http://www.so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/mpdc-makefile is my makefile for libmpdclient
07:10 < courtc> but I just realized its pretty dumb.. cause it puts example.o in libmpdclient.a
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07:13 < normalperson> hehe
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07:19 < Jpantoga> question
07:19 < Jpantoga> how do you put pictures on an ipod running linux?
07:20 < rsbeq-cam> Copy them to the disk...
07:20 < macPod> drag them from your computer hd to your ipod
07:20 < Jpantoga> is that it...?
07:20 < macPod> then use the file browser to look at them
07:20 < macPod> image browsing is not very good right now
07:21 < Jpantoga> oh
07:21 < macPod> but a new upgrade was just added
07:21 < Jpantoga> so I need to input no code?
07:21 < macPod> so when the next version of podzilla is releasedit will be better
07:21 < rsbeq-cam> Is there a recent podzilla beta build?
07:21 < macPod> no inpu tocde is required
07:21 < Jpantoga> ok
07:21 < Jpantoga> thanks
07:22 < macPod> leach needs to build one :)
07:22 < rsbeq-cam> why him?
07:22 < macPod> he is the buildmaster
07:22 < rsbeq-cam> anyone can....
07:22 < courtc> I can.. 
07:22 < Jpantoga> hmm
07:22 < courtc> but I dont want to steal his position, or post what has changed for that matter
07:22 < Jpantoga> but how do you change the boot image?
07:23 < macPod> didn't bern state he would prefer that only he made the beta podzillas that are in the beta dir?
07:23 < macPod> You dont
07:23 < macPod> keep the pengine :p
07:23 < Jpantoga> yeah, that's nice and all
07:23 < Jpantoga> haha
07:23 < courtc> Jpantoga- in short, you dont...
07:23 < Jpantoga> but is it possible?
07:23 < macPod> or search the forums and find ou how to do it for yourself
07:23 < macPod> it is
07:23 < macPod> but it is a pain
07:23 < Jpantoga> so then nevermind
07:23 < Jpantoga> haha
07:23 < macPod> and has very little point
07:23 < rsbeq-cam> so true
07:23 < courtc> yes, its possible... but dont ask how here ;)
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07:24 < rsbeq-cam> well i don't mind distributing an unofficial beta
07:24 < courtc> macPod- did he?
07:24 < macPod> I am fairly sure
07:24 < courtc> hmm.. I'll have to have a chat with him.. ;)
07:25 < rsbeq-cam> who what?
07:26 < rsbeq-cam> Will some kind folk finish this for me?
07:26 < rsbeq-cam> It's just drawing code
07:26 < rsbeq-cam> It looks wonderful while charging
07:26 < courtc> haha.. not I, I'm bogged down.. :/
07:26 < rsbeq-cam> You couldn't test it anyways
07:26 < rsbeq-cam> I mean like macpod
07:26 < mike8901> what stage is ipodlinux at?
07:27 < rsbeq-cam> about the third phase after booster deployment
07:27 < mike8901> is it at a stage where it has a decent UI and can play mp3s back flawlessly
07:27 < rsbeq-cam> give or take a year
07:27 < courtc> I dont think macpod actually codes.. he just draws..
07:27 < macPod> hey now
07:27 < mike8901> I still cant believe the guy extracted a bootrom by recording 8 hours
07:27 < macPod> I'm actually really bogged down now
07:27 < mike8901> btw... how exactly did he get the ipod to produce the audio of a bootloader?
07:28 < macPod> I code too
07:28 < macPod> tic-tac-toe foo
07:28 < Gent> <- Efram
07:28 < macPod> ah...
07:28 < macPod> gent may I steal ptk code?
07:28 < ryanlrussell> Mike: he was able to get some code running, but didn't have the hardware info for most of the devices
07:28 < macPod> unless you are making some radical change to it now
07:28 < Gent> I'm gonna package it later and send it out, cause someone e-mailed me for it
07:29 < macPod> yea, me
07:29 < ryanlrussell> He knew how to click the piezo though, so he used that for output
07:29 < Gent> oh, that was you?
07:29 < macPod> yea
07:29 < mike8901> what is the piezo?
07:29 < ryanlrussell> do you have an ipod?
07:29 < Gent> macPod, there's an older but not too different version available in my PTK/Podzilla package on my podzilla site
07:29 < rsbeq-cam> you made ptk?
07:29 < mike8901> ryan: i have one, and i gave my free one to my dad :D
07:29 < Gent> it's a 16MB Bzip file that is a mountable filesytem using the loop option in Linux
07:30 < macPod> wow, that's big
07:30 < ryanlrussell> Mike: when you move the wheel, you can here a clicking that doesn't come through the headphones.
07:30 < rsbeq-cam> piezo is a clicker
07:30 < mike8901> but how can you use a piezo to get bootloader code off an ipod?
07:30 < Gent> Yeah, but it's 100MB unzipped with all the podzilla code based on PTK, the PTK code, documentation, Nano-X documentation
07:30 < macPod> damn
07:31 < rsbeq-cam> You redid all of it?????
07:31 < ryanlrussell> You make it click different tones, representing different bits
07:31 < rsbeq-cam> Why would it be 100mb....
07:31 < rsbeq-cam> mike8901: Just think of it as a kind of morse code
07:31 < mike8901> ryan: right, but how do you get it to make those tones, and if you have the ability to make those tones, why not just make them streight to the headphone jack to reduce the noise
07:31 < mike8901> rsbeq-cam: i get it, its like cassete tapes in the good ol days
07:32 < rsbeq-cam> The headphone jack is a much more complicated device to send sound out of
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07:32 < macPod> gent I'll also do a better job explaing windows and stuff next time ;)
07:32 < Gent> anyway, I'm discussing a future apartment with a friend right now, so I'll be back later to talk about stuff
07:32 < rsbeq-cam> The only thing they knew how to use was that piezo
07:32 < courtc> that documentation is missing from the web also...
07:32 < ryanlrussell> The newer ipods have rearranged all the hardware locations in memory
07:32 < mike8901> rsbeq: but it would make it so much better.... the poor guy spent days figureing it out
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07:32 < rsbeq-cam> what doc?
07:32 < Gent> http://www.dotink.org/podzilla/
07:32 < courtc> hey Gent 
07:32 < ryanlrussell> The only thing he knew how to make function was the piezo
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07:33 < Gent> http://www.dotink.org/podzilla/packages/  -- the mountable filesystem is in there
07:33 < mike8901> ahh
07:33 < Gent> http://www.dotink.org/podzilla/packages/PODZILLA.bz2  -- direct address
07:33 < courtc> ooh, Gent is that the doc that got replaced by a motorcycle picture?
07:33 < ryanlrussell> Once he dumped the firmware, that has clues to the rest of the hardware when you disassemble it
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07:34 < Jonas_NZ> hey
07:34 < mike8901> ryanrussell: i dont know much about hardware, but wouldnt the easiest thing to do be to take apart the ipod and sodder out the bootloader?
07:34 < courtc> http://home.twcny.rr.com/embedded/microwin/
07:34 < rsbeq-cam> Whoah, so basically Gent made podzilla not suck?
07:34 < mike8901> (and attach it to a programmer/reader)
07:35 < Jonas_NZ> is nilss back yet?
07:35 < ryanlrussell> Perhaps if you don't mind ruining your ipod
07:35 < mike8901> ryanlrussell: how is removing a bootloader ruining an ipod... you can always put it back in
07:35 < Jonas_NZ> mike8901, you dont know how small the pins are on those
07:36 < Jonas_NZ> its impossible to solder by hand
07:36 < ryanlrussell> Most of us don't have smt workstations
07:36 < mike8901> jonas_NZ: i know that it is near impossible to do by hand.... but you could make an automated machine to do it for you
07:36 < mike8901> my hs even has a $10,000 wood cutter
07:36 < Jonas_NZ> do YOU have one
07:36 < mike8901> even though thats not what you'd need
07:36 < mike8901> its the same price
07:36 < mike8901> and somewhat similar :P
07:37 < mike8901> would a versalaser do somethin like that?
07:37 < rsbeq-cam> ..............
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07:37 < ryanlrussell> DOn't know, it's beyond my skills regardless
07:38 < courtc> mike8901- its already done.. and it didnt require expensive equipment.. just a few people with more smarts than they know what to do with...
07:38 < mike8901> courtc: i know its done now, but say in the future we dont even know how to operate the click wheel... our only option is to remove the bootloader
07:39 < courtc> or find some weirdo like nilss to think up insane ideas..
07:40 < ryanlrussell> Well, the paypal link for people to donate towards iPods to rip apart is up on the page....
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07:43 < mike8901> why not just put a freeipods link there ;)
07:45 < Jonas_NZ> mike8901, cos they are so unreliable
07:45 < macPod> I'm trying it now
07:45 < Gent> word
07:45 < Gent> friend's gone
07:45 < Gent> who's got questions
07:45 < rsbeq-cam> About what?
07:45 < Gent> whatever
07:45 < Gent> PTK/Podzilla
07:45 < courtc> mike8901- we look down upon the freeipods schema.. mentioning it is a good way to get in the bad graces of the ipodlinux community
07:45 < macPod> statistically, only 0.002 sign up, and of that 0.01 complete an offer
07:45 < rsbeq-cam> Oh
07:46 < rsbeq-cam> Well, Gent, it looks awesome...... when will it be done? ;)
07:46 < Gent> rsbeq... errr... well.. as I said in my post, I think it's underestimated... it IS done for about 90% of what we need it for I think
07:46 < Gent> PTK that is
07:46 < Gent> not Podzilla based on it
07:46 < courtc> Gent- is the documentation in that file the stuff that came from  http://home.twcny.rr.com/embedded/microwin/  ?
07:46 < rsbeq-cam> You've got widgets?
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07:47 < Gent> ywa
07:47 < Gent> yes*
07:47 < macPod> ok
07:47 < rsbeq-cam> Does it use mwin?
07:47 < Gent> courtc, probably
07:47 < courtc> rock..
07:47 < Gent> it's just a wget mirror
07:47 < courtc> I'm gonna host it
07:47 < Gent> so it's local if you don't have an internet connection
07:47 < Gent> I kept it on my laptop cause that's what I was developing on
07:47 < macPod> gent linux? os x?
07:48 < Gent> rsbeq, yes microwindows/nano-X (unless it's been updated to make it incompatible somewhere)
07:48 < Gent> macPod, Linux
07:48 < rsbeq-cam> Nice
07:48 < Gent> right now though my stuff has only been developed and tested on Microwin/Nano-X running on top of X
07:48 < courtc> yea, it was the best documentation for mwin... 
07:48 < macPod> uh oh... gonna have porting probs :)
07:48 < Gent> that is to say, I've yet to try it on the iPod itself
07:48 < rsbeq-cam> I see
07:48 < Gent> macPod, where?
07:48 < rsbeq-cam> Well, good luck merging it into podzilla...
07:49 < Gent> rsbeq, it's not a merger
07:49 < rsbeq-cam> Why?
07:49 < Gent> it's a totally new design/version
07:49 < macPod> I just find it a general observation with all this linux programming
07:49 < Gent> to replace the old one
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07:49 < rsbeq-cam> Umm, but you're not going to want to rewrite everything
07:49 < Gent> macPod, it's all standardized C and the microwindows/nano-X library does not change
07:49 < Gent> it should be the same on arm as it is on x86
07:49 < rsbeq-cam> Like the games etc
07:49 < Gent> rsbeq, the games wouldn't be able to use the toolkit
07:49 < macPod> does it rely on anything from oss?
07:49 < Gent> it wouldn't make a lot of sense
07:49 < macPod> endian stuff?
07:49 < rsbeq-cam> Why?
07:49 < Gent> macPod, not at the moment
07:50 < Gent> I tried to do freetype stuff, but I couldn't get it to work on x86 so I bactracked
07:50 < rsbeq-cam> What about all the other features? recording?
07:50 < Gent> I wanted font support and language support using gettext
07:50 < Gent> rsbeq-cam, a lot of that should be sub toolkit level
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07:50 < rsbeq-cam> ...which is why it's a merge...
07:51 < rsbeq-cam> You're taking the subtoolkit stuff from podzilla
07:51 < Gent> rsbeq, not really though, because we're not backporting to the old one
07:51 < Gent> we're forward porting all the other stuff to this one
07:51 < courtc> I've got some font stuff working...
07:51 < rsbeq-cam> That's what I mean...
07:51 < rsbeq-cam> hmm ok
07:51  * iFire Asks davidc__ about 4g support /me ducks
07:51 < rsbeq-cam> well i really need to sleep
07:51 < macPod> ditto
07:51 < macPod> later
07:51 < rsbeq-cam> anyone want to play with batteries while i'm out?
07:51 < courtc> iFire needs his ass banned..
07:51 < Gent> the problem is I really don't have time to code
07:52 < Gent> which is why I would like to put at eam together
07:52 < Gent> team*
07:52 < macPod> gent I look forward to talking to you more about your current work with ptk
07:52 < iFire> ...
07:52 < macPod> I think we might have a few different ideas
07:52 < Gent> get people who actually have time to code, but keep like me and MacPod at the head, doing the design work itself
07:52 < macPod> but nothing that cannot be mended
07:52 < macPod> woo :) I'll get to draw diagrams in ascii
07:52 < rsbeq-cam> I'll help point out problems ;)
07:52 < rsbeq-cam> Night!
07:53 < Gent> rsbeq, there are no such problems!!!!
07:53 < Gent> heheh
07:53 < rsbeq-cam> oh there will be
07:53 < rsbeq-cam> microwindows is crappy
07:53 < Gent> except a nasty bug in Podzilla right now that causes a seg fault when certain window operations are done in a certain order
07:53 < rsbeq-cam> heh...
07:53 < Gent> rsbeq, I don't find it that bad
07:54 < rsbeq-cam> It doesn't expose enough imaging functions
07:54 < courtc> damn.. no ext2 support in my kernel.. :/
07:54 < rsbeq-cam> I want to get a palletized pixel array
07:54 < rsbeq-cam> Can't do it
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07:55 < Gent> rsbeq, worst case scenario is we fork microwindows and start to do stuff we really need
07:55 < rsbeq-cam> yup
07:55 < rsbeq-cam> doesn't loook like mw is changing anyways
07:55 < Gent> With my original changes to the original podzilla I'd added something to Microwindows (actually changed something) before I knew about the timeout event
07:55 < courtc> that doesnt sound like a worst case...
07:55 < Gent> but after talking to the MW developer he told me about the timeout event, which didn't seem overly documented
07:55 < rsbeq-cam> hehe
07:56 < Gent> courtc, it's open source software, anything is possible
07:56 < rsbeq-cam> well, i really need to go to sleep
07:56 < Gent> there could be no worse case
07:56 < rsbeq-cam> maybe i'll talk with the dude
07:56 < Gent> rsbeq, I don't find him overly helpful
07:56 < rsbeq-cam> ohh ;)
07:56 < Gent> I think he may have misunderstood what I was going for...
07:56 < Gent> rsbeq... much of what you might take for granted in the original podzilla was my work (just in case you're not aware)
07:57 < Gent> like being able to save your settings
07:57 < rsbeq-cam> Yessir
07:57 < Gent> I also concentrated some of the event handling that was shared among things that should have been widgets
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07:57 < Gent> http://www.dotink.org/podzilla/changelogs/ChangeLog  -- my changelog to the original podzilla
07:57 < Gent> before I started on PTK/Podzilla
07:58 < rsbeq-cam> Were you the one that for some reason made the return value of event-handling functions do nothing but decide whether to beep or not?
07:58 < rsbeq-cam> s/that/who/
07:58 < Gent> ummm... not that I recall
07:58 < Gent> but possibly
07:58 < rsbeq-cam> haha, ok...
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07:59 < rsbeq-cam> As I was saying..... gotta go :)
07:59 < rsbeq-cam> Nice to meet you, hope to work with you later
07:59 < rsbeq-cam> Bye!
07:59 < Gent> see ya
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08:02 < courtc> http://www.so2.sys-techs.com/mwin/
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08:11 < courtc> Gent- btw, I'd be ahppy to help with the coding part.. Unfortunatly I'm not too much for planning, I prefer code to drawn up plans, its easier for me to understand...
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08:11 < Gent> courtc, well that's a big chunk of what we need, it'd be nice if someone could actually port this menu.c file I have to work with the PTK listbox
08:13 < courtc> Give me a few days and I'll look through ptk(I _still_ havent), and see what I can do ..  :)
08:13 < Gent> there's documentation that might help
08:14 < Gent> http://www.dotink.org/podzilla/docs/ptk-current/
08:14 < courtc> yea, the doygen docs..
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08:36 < Jonas_NZ> how do i unzip a zipfile on linux
08:37 < Jonas_NZ> cos gunzip tells me its gunzip: PieSpy-0.4.0.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored
08:37 < courtc> with unzip
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08:43 < eelriverlt> So, Is everyone happy with having linux on an Ipod? I'm about to dive in.
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08:43 < courtc> super happy
08:43 < courtc> hey fre
08:43 < fre_ber> Hey
08:44 < fre_ber> Everybody survived /.?
08:45 < Gent> damn them slashdot people
08:45 < Gent> then again, they're who got me to look at this project again
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08:45 < fre_ber> heh
08:46 < r2d2> i just installed linux on ipod, i set ot up so that regular apple os is default
08:46 < eelriverlt> Good, looks like fun. I'm going to lurk around here for a while to learn what I can. Keep me from asking stupid questions.
08:46 < r2d2> when i rebooted it, i saw tux logo, then apple os came up, how do i boot linux?
08:46 < fre_ber> Press and hold |<< when it boots...
08:47 < r2d2> thanks
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08:51 < Sliversto> hey, can I ask if anyone here could help me with the ipod remote?  3G, Windows
08:52 < courtc> if it involves podzilla/ipodlinux then i can probably answer your question..
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08:53 < r2d2> so it boots, may have seen an error or two, was a bit tough to tell, real problem is podzilla, doesn't seem to want to stay running, and init just says it's respawning too fast
08:54 < Jonas_NZ> cyaz all l8r
08:54 < fre_ber> Night, Jonas
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08:56 < Sliversto> k, so when I attempt to run the script at www.ipodlinux.org/remote
08:56 < Sliversto> I get error messages
08:56 < Sliversto> usually involving inputattach
08:57 < Sliversto> So after talking with some other ppl
08:57 < Sliversto> I beleive my problem may be based upon the fact I am running windows;
08:57 < Sliversto> because all the files that should exist on the pod
08:57 < Sliversto> don't
08:58 < Sliversto> even though they appear in the podzilla browser
08:58 < Sliversto> so unless I am using the script wrong, that could be my problem
08:58 < Sliversto> anyone have a different idea?
08:58 < Sliversto> or a possible solution?
08:59 < Sliversto> I was actually wondering if I could insert this inputattach file myself
08:59 < Sliversto> into the ipod
08:59 < Sliversto> but i do not have said file
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08:59 < courtc> the files are there.. they are just on a partition that windows doesnt know how to read...
08:59 < Sliversto> seems resonable
08:59 < Sliversto> first
09:00 < Sliversto> what do I do about that
09:00 < Sliversto> and second why can't the remote find these files?
09:00 < Sliversto> I mean the .sh
09:00 < courtc> but if inputattach is not on the linux partition then you may have a problem..
09:00 < Sliversto> yeah
09:00 < Sliversto> I hope it's another reason
09:00 < Sliversto> i thought maybe it was how i used the file
09:00 < courtc> have you looked for it with the podzilla browser?
09:01 < Sliversto> for what?
09:01 < Sliversto> inputattach?
09:01 < courtc> yes.
09:01 < Sliversto> wait a minute
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09:03 < r2d2> what's the proper way to be starting podzilla? having init do it, or in the rc script?
09:03 < adfshioh> is there anybody from ipod linux on right now?
09:03 < Sliversto> why, oh why must the boot freeze?
09:04 < adfshioh>            is there anybody from ipod linux on right now?
09:04 < courtc> either way works.. the rc starts podzilla once and blocks inittab from executing until podzilla exits; the inittab will restart podzilla if it exits
09:05 < adfshioh> Courtney Cavin is always in here...
09:05 < courtc> adfshioh- from meaning? I'm a dev..
09:05 < r2d2> hmm, i've tried both ways, with it only in rc, nothing seems to happen, and with it in the inittab, init just complains of it dying
09:05 < adfshioh> a dev?
09:05 < r2d2> seems like it won't run
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09:05 < courtc> a developer...
09:06 < adfshioh> ohh ok
09:06 < courtc> r2d2- are you sure that the podzilla binary is +x ?
09:06 < adfshioh> do you know how much more $$$ you need for a photo ipod..or do yall already have one?
09:06 < Sliversto> well
09:06 < Sliversto> it is there
09:06 < r2d2> courtc: i just realized that
09:07 < r2d2> rebooting now
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09:07 < adfshioh> do you know how much more $$$ you need for a photo ipod..or do yall already have one?
09:07 < Sliversto> what if the fact that I was running a script from the windows partion did it?
09:07 < Sliversto> inputattach exists
09:07 < Sliversto> in the browser
09:08 < courtc> currently there is enough money for the lead dev to buy a photo ipod, but extra donations are never shunned :)
09:08 < Sliversto> but I was running a script frow the windows partion
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09:08 < adfshioh> i can't wait for the ipod photo version, good luck =D
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09:09 < Sliversto> man, once I started editing the pics I wished I had a photo...
09:09 < courtc> Sliversto- copy over a .sh that executes /bin/inputattach -ipod /dev/ttyS0 & and execute it in the podzilla browser..
09:10 < Sliversto> It's in sbin
09:10 < courtc> that should enable the remote to send signals that can be interpreted by a program..
09:10 < courtc>  /sbin is a link to /bin
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09:10 < Sliversto> alright
09:10 < courtc> it doesnt matter...
09:10 < Sliversto> i try
09:11 < r2d2> now it's +x, still no luck
09:11 < Sliversto> or i would if the boot would stop freezing
09:12 < courtc> r2d2- huh, strange.. I dont know what could be causing it then.. Make sure the podzilla bin is proper.. and if you figure out what is causing it please let me know...
09:12 < Sliversto> it keeps freezing at leachbj Exp $
09:12 < Sliversto> and it has done that many times before
09:12 < Sliversto> why?
09:12 < r2d2> courtc: i was hoping to find an md5 of the beta podzilla
09:13 < r2d2> no way to verify it's integrity
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09:14 < courtc> badb0bc0e2a4cb7679bbba498a38f509
09:14 < r2d2> yep, that's what i've got
09:16 < r2d2> it's root:root, and 755, and i've left the line in rc and inittab
09:16 < r2d2> other lines in the rc work fine
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09:17 < courtc> what line are you using in the rc?
09:17 < Gargamale> podzilla
09:17 < courtc> uhh..
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09:19 < courtc> use  /bin/podzilla or the line  pz:unknown:/bin/podzilla   in your inittab
09:20 < r2d2> rc is calling 'podzilla', the inittab goes for /bin/podzilla
09:21 < citybird> hi, some stupid questions, can you now load and play ogg files? what apps are written so far? 
09:22 < courtc> citybird- have you read our wiki? Its filled with useful information...
09:22 < citybird> looking
09:23 < courtc> ogg can be played with tremor, but its nowhere even close to being real-time..
09:23 < courtc> there is an example tremor player included with the default userland..
09:24 < r2d2> so before, due to it not being executable, podzilla wouldn't launch, now it seems to hardlock the ipod
09:25 < courtc> r2d2- what line is it halting on?
09:25 < r2d2> courtc: just locks up when podzilla should be launching
09:25 < courtc> I mean, what is the last line you see?
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09:25 < r2d2> cvs revision header for tdh43aa82.c
09:26 < r2d2> tsb*
09:26 < courtc> thats not podzilla thats failing to launh.. try to unplug your ipod from the computer/wall
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09:27 < r2d2> the cvs revision header is output when ipod_1394 loads
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09:28 < courtc> the driver doesnt like to start up if your ipod is plugged in...
09:28 < r2d2> same thing happens when it's unplugged
09:29 < courtc> ok, the ipodeth/fw dirver is a little buggy.. you can remove those from the rc if you dont plan on using telnet..
09:30 < r2d2> ok
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09:34 < r2d2> ok, it booted, podzilla isn't running, but i'm at sash
09:35 < courtc> hmm.. that probaly means that podzilla(or another line in the rc) couldnt be executed, unless you have sash in your rc
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09:36 < r2d2> any easy way to run commands from sash?
09:36 < courtc> only if you get an ipodized version of sash..
09:37 < r2d2> which i'm going to guess isn't the default? (for whatever reason)
09:37 < courtc> there is a thread on the forum for that.. sash 1.1.2 iirc
09:38 < courtc> nope, its not.. the podzilla userland is fairly old.. beside it kinda foils telnet attempts
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09:42 < courtc> alright, I've gotta sleep.. gl r2d2 
09:42 < r2d2> ok, found the version of sash, will compile it another time, don't want to setup the toolchain now
09:42 < r2d2> thanks
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09:43 < r2d2> my one remaining question(anyone can answer), is if the ipod could *not* reboot everytime i unplug when it's been connected to computer, running the apple os
09:44 < courtc> just put it in forced disk mode... |<< and >>| on reboot
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09:56 < Gent> finally found a decent set of icons that goes with my theme
09:59 < muesli> wow
10:00 < muesli> no, i'm not really about to ask for 4g support ;-)
10:00 < muesli> just wanted to state, that i love the way you did it
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10:00 < muesli> congrats to davidc__ and nilss
10:01 < borism> sorry for asking :) can ipods playback vorbis?
10:01 < josh_> not in real-time
10:01 < josh_> tremor can do it, but not fast enough
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10:01 < josh_> though the faster processors in the 4G ipods might make it possible eventually
10:02 < josh_> on another note... anyone know how big (pixel-wise) the 4G ipod's screen is?
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10:06 < josh_> hm, looks like 160x128 (and 138x110 for the mini)
10:06 < muesli> josh_: uhm, the 4th gen's cpu is slower, right?
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10:07 < muesli> might be wrong here, but i thought i just read that
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10:13 < Gent> http://www.dotink.org/~gent/content/Images/Screenshots/FVWM20050130-1.png
10:13 < Gent> mmMMM
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10:22 < muesli> Gent: nice screeny
10:23 < muesli> guys i want to help out with g4 development. any help needed, are you already porting the sources to the new hardware?
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10:35 < Thijs> goodmorning ppl !
10:36 < Thijs> and welcome back leachbj
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10:38 < muesli> mornin Thijs 
10:38 < Thijs> hey muesli
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10:39 < Bart_> howdy
10:40 < Bart_> hmm i tested now all .. i can´t boot on mini linux yet but i will test it the whole sunday and i will run it today ;)
10:40 < muesli> Bart_: not sure, though
10:40 < muesli> :-)
10:40 < Bart_> muesli GERMAN?
10:40 < muesli> yup
10:40 < Bart_> me, too
10:42 < \krunch> i just want it to be able to play VBR mp3's
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11:26 < M3wThr33> Well, my day was just made happier
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11:51 < LoneTech> congrats on the acoustic modem hack.
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12:25 < billyanachronism> hazaa!
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12:34 < forceflow502> hey, is there 4G support? naw just kidding
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12:35 < billyanachronism> forceflow502, so there is 4g support now?
12:36 < forceflow502> no i dont think so
12:36 < billyanachronism> WHAT?
12:36 < billyanachronism> Thats all I came here for!?!
12:37 < billyanachronism> (I'm joking)
12:37 < forceflow502> i think slashdot made a mistake, but i
12:37 < forceflow502> m not sure
12:37 < forceflow502> oh ok
12:37 < forceflow502> lol
12:37 < billyanachronism> hehe
12:37 < billyanachronism> it would be nice to have a very long confusing conversation with people constantly entering
12:37 < billyanachronism> that would have the potential to amuse me for hours
12:37 < billyanachronism> asking whether its for 4g or not and why not etc
12:38 < forceflow502> ya. does it work with any of the ipods?
12:38 < billyanachronism> i have no idea, I don't even have one!
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12:46 < LoneTech> I don't have one either.
12:48 < forceflow502> why are you here? 
12:48 < forceflow502> linux?
12:49 < forceflow502> i'm a macosx/slackware type of guy
12:49 < LoneTech> I started out with slackware, but stick to debian nowadays
12:50 < forceflow502> what do you prefer with debian?
12:50 < LoneTech> the package management, wide platform support, and sheer variety of packages
12:51 < LoneTech> little touches like the prepared packages for building cross compilers.
12:51  * leachbj is back (gone 17:51:49)
12:51 < LoneTech> and the manually hackable package manager, even though that makes it quite slow
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12:52 < LoneTech> of course, slackware has changed a bit since I started using it. that was version 2.3.
12:52 < forceflow502> whoa
12:53 < LoneTech> and my original reason to try debian was the silliest of all, it was the most recent CD I had.
12:53 < LoneTech> version 1.3.1 iirc
12:53 < forceflow502> i started with red hat 9, then switched to slackware. ive tried a few different others, SUSE personal,etc breifly but i preferd slackware
12:54 < LoneTech> slack doesn't make as many assumptions.
12:55 < Gent> Slack rules
12:56 < billyanachronism> I'm an archlinux guy
12:56 < billyanachronism> it rocks my socks to bits
12:56 < courtc> woo archlinux
12:56 < billyanachronism> brilliant package management
12:56 < billyanachronism> I'm like.. yeah!
12:58 < LoneTech> but I don't have i686..
12:59 < billyanachronism> oh
12:59 < billyanachronism> well.. it doesn't really matter
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12:59 < billyanachronism> you still get sweet sweet configuration and package management 
13:00 < LoneTech> I have mipseb, mipsel, mediagxm, athlonxp, sparc, superh, strongarm, m68k, and soon athlon64.
13:00 < LoneTech> maybe I missed some
13:01 < LoneTech> oh yes, the ppc. haven't got that running yet. no plans to put linux in the VAX.
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13:01 < courtc> pp50{02,20} with dual arm7tdmi's
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13:29 < forceflow502> ppc rocks
13:30 < forceflow502> though i' m biased as mac os x is my favorite os followed by slackware
13:30 < trentin> did you switch from linux to osx?
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13:42 < forceflow502> no, i was a windows kind of person until i was 11, then i switched to os x. my servers run slackware, my laptop os x
13:44 < trentin> ...quite same here, except that i started with linux at about 18, and my server runs gentoo :-)
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14:00 < forceflow502> cool,cool
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14:54 < fre_ber> 80 users? Woot...
14:54 < fre_ber>  /.
14:54 < forceflow502> 79 noe
14:54 < BleuLlama> heya fre
14:54 < forceflow502> now
14:54 < fre_ber> Hi
14:54 < BleuLlama> yeah. the slashdot crowd infected us yesterday
14:55 < joecool> hey everybody
14:55 < BleuLlama> er. infested
14:55 < joecool> haha, that was fun
14:55 < BleuLlama> fre: you'd be surprised how the s/n ratio in here dropped significantly... 
14:55 < forceflow502> so did salshdot make a mistake when they said that you got a 4G ipod running linux?
14:56 < forceflow502> slashdot*
14:56 < fre_ber> Heh, I don't easily get surprised.. :)
14:56 < BleuLlama> ;)
14:56 < fre_ber> Yes, slashdot is a mistake..
14:57 < BleuLlama> and they made a mistake too
14:57 < fre_ber> :)
14:58 < joecool> mmm, it is pretty impressive though, that a site like slashdot can handle so many mindless zombies
14:58 < fre_ber> True
14:58 < joecool> its like a DDOS from hell for any other site though :P
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15:04 < forceflow502> i like salshdot
15:04 < forceflow502> slashdot*
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15:05 < Grunt> mmm, the slashdot effect in action.
15:05 < joecool> lol
15:07 < trentin> guys, why are you bitching about slashdot?
15:07 < fre_ber> DDOS
15:08 < trentin> yeah. that's true, but otherwise, its a great site imho
15:08 < joecool> how so? 
15:08 < BleuLlama> because it killed our servers and brought an infestation of stupid people all asking the same question to the channel...  
15:09 < joecool> slashdotters are among the stupidest people in the world
15:09 < joecool> there are tons of better news sources
15:09 < BleuLlama> yah.
15:09 < joecool> ...they put up news on a 2-week old topic for god sake
15:09 < BleuLlama> reading slashdot comments is like walking through the short bus.
15:09 < trentin> yeah, i agree with the comments
15:10 < joecool> i might read two, before i get sick of the flaming 
15:10 < trentin> i get sick every time
15:10 < courtc> why'd you get on the short bus in the first place?
15:10 < BleuLlama> more often than not, i find something interesting on another news site, and then a week or so later, their site dies when slashdot gets their cutting-edge week-old news, and posts it.
15:11 < BleuLlama> courtc: every so often, i have an anneurism, and decide to read slashdot comments, with the hopes that things are somehow better
15:11 < BleuLlama> but they never are
15:11 < BleuLlama> but hey, i never contribute to the noise. hhe
15:11 < courtc> haha, i was finishing your thought... reading slashdot comments is like walking through the short bus. why'd you get on in the first place?
15:12 < BleuLlama> oh, i thought you were asking me. 
15:13 < BleuLlama> i guess it's the optimist in me.  "things can't possibly be as  bad as they used to be" ... and they're only ever worse.
15:13 < courtc> I'm trying to shake off some of these ./ers
15:14 < trentin> guys, is it worth it to put linux on the ipod?
15:14 < trentin> what advantages do i get over the standard apple firmware?
15:14 < courtc> its open source
15:14 < trentin> except that
15:15 < Grunt> being able to play more audio formats (eventually)
15:15 < BleuLlama> trentin: examine it and determine if you want to do it.  we're not going to sell it to you.
15:15 < courtc> like that isnt enough...  recording at up to 96khz
15:16 < trentin> hej bluellama, i'm just asking
15:16 < trentin> why the hostility
15:16 < trentin> ?
15:16 < courtc> because we arent sales people..
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15:17 < trentin> oh my god. cant a guy just ask for other pleoples experience ?
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15:18 < Grunt> Hi leach :)
15:18 < leachbj> hi Grunt
15:18 < BleuLlama> morning, leach... how's it going?
15:19 < joecool> heh
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15:20 < leachbj> not too bad..
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15:22 < courtc> trentin- we have a whole website dedicated to what features ipodlinux provides... check it out, but the main benefit is that its open source.. and that means that the possiblities are truly, as they say, endless
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15:23 < Grunt> short of, say, playing Q3A on one:)
15:25 < mike8901> why doesnt ipodlinux play mp3s at 100% realtime?
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15:37 < CrazyMF> YOU GUYS ARE NERDS!!!!!
15:38 < CrazyMF> who cares if you put linux on a ipod??
15:38 < BleuLlama> and yet you went out of your way to tell us that.  nice.
15:38 < Grunt> That's a lot coming from someone who reads /.
15:38 < CrazyMF> it just doesnt make sense
15:39 < BleuLlama> then go away.
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15:39 < iocaste> that worked
15:39  * Grunt rolls his eyes.
15:39 < Grunt> At least think of a more creative insult if you want to do that.:)
15:39 < BleuLlama> yeah. sorry.  i thought of something after i hit 'return'
15:40 < Grunt> Not you. The people who come to the channel and insult us.:)
15:44 < johnny007> you mother is a nerd! ;)
15:44 < Grunt> ...
15:45 < johnny007> just trying to be creative ;)
15:45 < Grunt> Somehow, that doesn't work either.:P
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15:45 < joecool> ... you would think this would calm down by now
15:45 < fre_ber> Cool, my exhaust vapour found it's way to CVS, thanks leachbj. :)
15:45 < iocaste> is there any difference between a geek and a nerd? I don't mind being called a geek, but I find getting called a nerd mildly offensive.
15:46 < joecool> i think a geek is a nerd with style..
15:46 < iocaste> That's what I was thinking :)
15:46 < fre_ber> A geek is a nerd, focused on computers and technology.
15:47 < BleuLlama> i wonder if my text-based menu system made its way into podzilla cvs. hehe
15:47 < iocaste> hmm.. good point. Whereas a nerd can focus on lots of things, trainspotting for example
15:47 < leachbj> BleuLlama: is that were you have a text file defining the menu entries?
15:47 < BleuLlama> yep
15:48 < leachbj> then no.
15:48 < BleuLlama> ok
15:48 < leachbj> can you explain how that is better than what we have now?
15:48 < fre_ber> rofl
15:49 < BleuLlama> i thought i did in the email.   it lets you rearrage the menus without recompiling... some people might want to see things in different orders.  
15:49 < BleuLlama> but if you don't want it in there, that's fine.
15:49 < leachbj> sorry you probably did, its just been a while...
15:50 < leachbj> yeah I don't really see that as a good feature at this point, if people want to re-arrange then they can recompile, if they cant recompile then they shouldn't be messing with podzilla...
15:51 < BleuLlama> ok.  just trying to offer options for the future.
15:51 < fre_ber> That is good, I think we should remember that stuff for the new podzilla.
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15:51 < leachbj> sure I realise, the thing is podzilla is nasty/complicated enough already
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15:51 < leachbj> i'd prefer patches to make it simpler & easy to maintain...
15:52 < BleuLlama> ok. sorry.
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15:52 < joecool> mmm podzilla's name makes it sound like its attached to the mozilla project..
15:52 < leachbj> if we can get a non-monolithic version of podzilla to work some sort of external menu configs would be needed
15:52 < leachbj> joecool: which means they both must have something to do with godzilla right?
15:53 < joecool> i was just going to say that
15:53 < BleuLlama> that was the thought; it would help enable that... but since i couldn't work on getting dynamic linking to work, i thought i'd try to contribute to that side of it.
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16:13 < simianMiscreant> anyone here not idling?
16:13 < coob> ..
16:13 < simianMiscreant> oh, hi
16:14 < simianMiscreant> i was just wondering why slashdot thinks there's 4g support if everywhere else says there isn't
16:14 < coob> because slashdot is edited by lamers.
16:14 < joecool> simianMiscreant: I was just wondering why slashdot existed
16:14 < simianMiscreant> oh
16:14 < coob> it's techinically correct
16:14 < simianMiscreant> yeah, i guess it fucked with the ipodlinux project pretty bad
16:14 < simianMiscreant> haha
16:15 < simianMiscreant> killed the site
16:15 < coob> linux will _boot_ on the 4g
16:15 < simianMiscreant> oh
16:15 < coob> and then crash
16:15 < simianMiscreant> ohhhh
16:15 < coob> which is better than it not booting at all.
16:15 < simianMiscreant> gotcha
16:15 < simianMiscreant> yeah, certainly
16:15 < coob> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g
16:15 < simianMiscreant> they just didn't make that very clear
16:15 < coob> yeah well that's because they suck
16:16 < coob> and we have to deal with 1237821739812 people coming here asking why 4g isn't supported if salshdot says it is.
16:16 < simianMiscreant> right, i know, i'm sorry
16:16 < simianMiscreant> haha
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16:16 < coob> the slashdot story should've been more about nils's cool hack.
16:16 < simianMiscreant> i didn't see anyone answering my question on slashdot
16:16 < simianMiscreant> yeah, no kidding
16:16 < simianMiscreant> that's pretty badass, jeez
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16:17 < simianMiscreant> maybe i'll just buy a 3g
16:17 < simianMiscreant> documentation makes it look pretty bugless on the 3g
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16:17 < coob> aha nope
16:18 < coob> support is much better but it's still nowhere near apple's firmware
16:18 < simianMiscreant> oh, well yeah
16:18 < simianMiscreant> but it's not like that disappears
16:18 < coob> no power management, mp3 playback is sketchy
16:18 < simianMiscreant> and is updating the version as easy as just reinstalling with a newer binary?
16:18 < coob> but you can dual boot so that's not really a problem
16:18 < simianMiscreant> right
16:18 < coob> you still get to play all the cool new games in podzilla
16:18 < simianMiscreant> haha
16:19 < coob> not to mention podzilla can record with an ordinary mic
16:19 < simianMiscreant> yeah, i saw that
16:19 < coob> or even earbuds
16:19 < simianMiscreant> that's rockin
16:19 < simianMiscreant> yeah haha
16:19 < simianMiscreant> to update the version of ipl, do i just reinstall?
16:19 < simianMiscreant> because that'd be pretty easy
16:19 < coob> anyway, gunna go play some myth II
16:19 < coob> bye.
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16:19 < simianMiscreant> um, ok
16:19 < simianMiscreant> thanks
16:20 < simianMiscreant> later
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16:43 < gregday> http://seraphim.ecsis.net/~gregday/ipodhack.jpg
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16:44 < zsk009> nice, could u send me the pic u used?
16:44 < gregday> hm, not sure if i still have it.... let me see
16:45 < gregday> ah
16:45 < gregday> sure
16:45 < BleuLlama> that's not hacking your ipod.  it's skinning it.
16:45 < gregday> yeah :)
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16:45 < gregday> it's a 4G, i cant do much more right now :)
16:45 < zsk009> still awsome
16:45 < zsk009> can u email the pic to zsk009@gmail.com?
16:45 < BleuLlama> hey look, i changed my desktop wallaper!  it's a desktop hack!
16:46 < gregday> BleuLlama: well, this was a teency bit more difficult than that, 
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16:46 < zsk009> ok, im new to irc, where is the pic u sent me?
16:46 < BleuLlama> you still used well known programs and a readily available image to do it.  *yawn*
16:47 < gregday> BleuLlama: well known programs?  yeah, i guess dd is pretty well known....
16:47 < BleuLlama> dude. it's been well documented for like 2 months now...
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16:48 < BleuLlama> http://engadget.com/entry/1234000610023097/  there's the application that does all of the work for you.
16:48 < zsk009> could you please email me the picture... i dont get how this irc stuf works
16:49 < gregday> yeah, it was simple... but i like it... what's your point?  that because i didn't upload it by piping in piezo chirps, that im somehow less l33t?
16:49 < gregday> BleuLlama: yeah, it is.  and i didn't use that application.  i dont run windows.  i did it the other, slightly more difficult way, a little more manually.
16:49 < BleuLlama> no, the fact that as soon as you joined, you pasted your url in here, as if to give you hacking street cred, but it doesn't work like that
16:50 < leachbj> in any case, nice picture, lets move on ;)
16:50 < BleuLlama> so you made it hard on yourself.  
16:50 < gregday> haha well i certainly didn't mean it that way, sorry if it came off like that :) 
16:50 < BleuLlama> ok then.
16:50 < BleuLlama> nevermind. ;)
16:50 < gregday> ill just idle for a bit and read and learn
16:50 < zsk009> can i get the pic now?
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16:52 < torpor> yo
16:53 < zsk009> gregday: thanx
16:54 < zsk009> torpor: yo
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16:57 < fc> Hi, my brother has an 3G iPod, but its a little bit broken, its stuck on hold
16:58 < fc> but if you put linux on it
16:58 < fc> it isnt on hold anymore is it?
16:58 < BleuLlama> sounds like it might be a hardware issue.  have him go to an apple store or send it in for repairs
16:59 < fc> well, he's to lazy to do that, so I think he's going to buy a new iPod or something
16:59 < piratePenguin> holy crap, gimme his battery then
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16:59 < fc> and then I want to use his iPod for linux
17:00 < fc> but everything works with his remote
17:00 < fc> only the buttons on the iPod
17:00 < fc> because of the hold button
17:01 < piratePenguin> well yea, ya can disable the hold button easily enuff if ya know a small bit of C I'm sure ... I dunno if the hold btn even works in linux yet cause my iPods fecked the last while ... last podzilla I had the hold switch didn't work anyhow
17:01 < BleuLlama> it's probably a simple fix. if you crack it open, you can fix it, probably.  my guess is that the switch has a cold solder joint or cracked solder..
17:02 < fc> that shiny back cover thingy is bend too
17:03 < fc> but if the hold button doesnt work in linux, I think it will work
17:03 < piratePenguin> what should I do bout my fu*ked up battery, anyone?
17:04 < BleuLlama> buy a new one for $50?
17:04 < BleuLlama> install it yourself?
17:04 < piratePenguin> ... hrm, I might try that
17:04 < BleuLlama> or send it to apple and have them do it for $100
17:04 < piratePenguin> no way...
17:05 < BleuLlama> you're just asking what to do. i'm just letting you know the options
17:05 < piratePenguin> yea I know, thanks
17:05 < piratePenguin> I'll do it myself.. should be fun :D
17:06 < BleuLlama> i think ipodbattery.com has them
17:06 < BleuLlama> $30
17:06 < piratePenguin> cool.. thanks
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17:07 < piratePenguin> would it be possible for me to install like a 40 gig hdd aswel?
17:07 < BleuLlama> if you don't mind not having the back cover, and you can find the right drive...
17:08 < BleuLlama> the 40gig and 20gig are significantly different thicknesses
17:08 < BleuLlama> and they expect specific drive models.
17:08 < BleuLlama> so, in all actuality... no.
17:08 < piratePenguin> k... I have a 10gb, so I'll just keep it for now ...
17:09 < BleuLlama> oh.  yeah then, definitely
17:09 < BleuLlama> besides, it'd probably be cheaper to get a new/used 40gig ipod than to get the drive and install it... i'm not even sure where to get the toshiba ultrathin drives
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17:10 < piratePenguin> heh
17:11 < BleuLlama> you have a 2g or a 3g, pirate?
17:11 < piratePenguin> 3g
17:12 < BleuLlama> ok. 
17:12 < piratePenguin> http://www.ipodbattery.com/slimipodinstall.htm ... nice
17:12 < BleuLlama> yep
17:12 < BleuLlama> if you're not afraid to scratch up the joint between the metal and the plastic, go for it.
17:13 < BleuLlama> personally, i can't wait until my warranty runs out so i can drop in a better battery.  (iv'e heard that their replacement batteries hold a better charge than apple's, but who knows...)
17:13 < piratePenguin> cool ... my battery atm lasts 3mins
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17:13 < BleuLlama> in the very least, i want to replace the backlight LEDs with differnt colors or drop in colored gels
17:14 < piratePenguin> cool
17:14 < piratePenguin> can I use a knife/blade to pry the case open or should I wait till I get my battery?
17:14 < BleuLlama> wait
17:15 < piratePenguin> :( k
17:15 < BleuLlama> i personaly would.   i don't want to screw up the latches and such..
17:16 < piratePenguin> yea I suppose
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17:18 < BleuLlama> anyhoo. good luck with whichever way you decide to go, pirate
17:18  * BleuLlama going afk for a bit
17:18 < piratePenguin> thanks BlueLlama
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17:24 < Luke> hey all
17:25 < piratePenguin> hey Luke
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17:25 < Luke> piratePenguin: i gave up on ubuntu
17:26 < piratePenguin> :| why?
17:26 < Luke> going from debain to ubuntu only seemed to take away from the OS instead of add
17:26 < Luke> the apt repository was severtly limited
17:26 < piratePenguin> ahh... awell I was coming from mandrake, and its crap :p
17:27 < Luke> aaah
17:27 < Luke> well, ubuntu was a very clean and well put together distro
17:27 < Luke> and i'd use it if I had a more powerful laptop
17:27 < piratePenguin> yup, good documentation on the site too ...
17:27 < Luke> but the thing is, i need other options (like openbox) on my computer so that it can run
17:27 < Luke> and ubuntu didnt give me that
17:28 < Luke> piratePenguin: yea their site is great
17:28 < piratePenguin> I see... I would use debian but cant get my hands on it ... gotta get my brother to download it sometime (hes got broadband.. I'm on dialup, ISDN)
17:28 < Luke> aah
17:28 < Luke> ya that'd do it
17:28 < Luke> you'd probably like debian more
17:29 < piratePenguin> probably...
17:29 < Luke> its a little less cut down
17:29 < Luke> like I think ubuntu's designed for a very narrow range of users
17:29 < Luke> which is good for them because its put together real well
17:29 < piratePenguin> yea
17:29 < Luke> but for someone like me that needs a lot of special linux stuff... i just cant get it without a fight on ubuntu
17:30 < piratePenguin> alright
17:32 < Luke> well we're off the main slashdot page now
17:32 < piratePenguin> Slackware was always my favourite, but my cd's dont work heh...
17:32 < piratePenguin> good
17:33 < Luke> i've never tried slack
17:33 < Luke> for a while it seemed to be the big distro
17:33 < Luke> but i had gentoo before that (on my main box) and have just stuck with that
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17:33 < piratePenguin> the lead developer of slackware seriously ill the last while ...
17:34 < Luke> oh no that could be pretty bad for the distro i guess
17:34 < piratePenguin> yep
17:34 < Luke> gentoo's lead dev retired but he set it all up so that a board could take over his desisions
17:34 < Luke> and it works reall well
17:34 < piratePenguin> cool
17:36 < piratePenguin> I built an Linux From Scratch systems before ... was pretty cool, but when I had it all setup I heard there was a bug in the 'strip' program, which I used on all my binaries heh... I'll build another one when I have time probably
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17:38 < Trafficone> lol
17:38 < Luke> my friend builds LFS a lot
17:38 < Luke> he's recently moved to gentoo as well though
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17:39 < Luke> if your not running a server, package mangement on LFS gets to be a pretty unrealistic on a desktop
17:40 < piratePenguin> yea it is pretty hard ... theres ways around it tho.. using 'package users'
17:40 < Luke> yea
17:41 < Luke> i really wish i had a box/time to try LFS
17:41 < piratePenguin> I tried gentoo once before and couldn't get it to boot for some reason ... just as well tho, cause if it hada worked I'd probably never have tried slackware
17:41 < Luke> hehe probably not
17:41 < Luke> well i've got some work to do
17:41 < Luke> so i'll talk to you later
17:41 < piratePenguin> k.. goodluck
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17:58 < Hostile> nice slashdotted
17:58 < Hostile> gj!
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18:38 < Raalos> Hey guys
18:38 < Hostile> heya
18:38 < Raalos> I just installed linux to my 3G
18:38 < Raalos> pretty sweet so far
18:38 < Hostile> Raalos, sweet until you play music lol :)
18:38 < Raalos> question though: how do you get it to play more than one song?
18:38 < Raalos> yeah 
18:38 < Raalos> I was just asking about that
18:38 < Hostile> Raalos, cant
18:39 < Hostile> and it skips
18:39 < Raalos> d'oh
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18:39 < Raalos> yeah I noticed that too
18:39 < Hostile> but they are working on that
18:39 < Hostile> it will keep getting better and better
18:39 < Raalos> I don't know much about programming, but I would think that a playlist wouldn't be that hard
18:39 < Raalos> or is it?
18:39 < Hostile> Im guessing you read the slashdot article?
18:39 < Hostile> maybe not
18:39 < Hostile> go to the forums and make a feature request
18:40 < Raalos> I saw the article
18:40 < Hostile> cool :)
18:40 < coob> that request already exists
18:40 < coob> if you bothered to read the wiki.
18:40 < Raalos> it's weird though, that it recognizes the playlists that it imports from itunes
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18:41 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/Podzilla
18:41 < coob>  Song Queuing [started work on, not integrated into podzilla yet --EvilDude 13 Jan 2005]
18:41 < Raalos> why does it skip on playback?
18:41 < coob> because teh decoder isn't as fast as it could be
18:41 < Hostile> yep
18:41 < coob> and the COP isn't fully utilised
18:42 < Raalos> got it
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18:45 < Raalos> how do you add new applications to it?
18:45 < leachbj> vi & gcc
18:46 < Raalos> so you have to download the code and then compile them?
18:46 < coob> yes.
18:46 < Raalos> got it
18:46 < leachbj> no you have to write the code and compile it ;)
18:46 < coob> lol
18:46 < Raalos> well but i mean for the stuff that's already online
18:46 < Raalos> like the connect four app
18:47 < coob> yes you have to patch podzilla and re-cross-compile podzilla.
18:48 < Raalos> got it
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18:49 < Raalos> going to test the recording functions
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18:54 < Raalos> is it supposed to tell you if it's recording?
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18:58 < rsbeq-cam> Yes, probably
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19:03 < Raalos> it seems to crash on playback
19:03 < Raalos> of recordings
19:04 < rsbeq-cam> >8khz?
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19:05 < Raalos> 96
19:05 < Raalos> hmmm, looks like it only very faintly picks up the griffin italk mic
19:05 < leachbj> i dont think 96 works too well
19:05 < Raalos> i tried playing back in itunes
19:05 < Raalos> ah maybe that's why then
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19:19 < monkeyman_> would asking how the piezo dumping actually helps be allowed?
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19:35 < coob> monkeyman: there was no other way of reading what was in the flash memory
19:35 < coob> whcih holds the bootloader, which holds lots of nice hardware addresses.
19:36 < monkeyman_> got ya... that is awesome then. What comes next?
19:36 < rsbeq-cam> World domination, of course.
19:36 < leachbj> or dinner time...
19:36 < monkeyman_> well, thats always the goal.... but it gets so tedios sometimes.
19:36 < coob> yes very tedios.
19:37 < monkeyman_> excuse me, tedious
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19:47 < BleuLlama> did i miss anything?
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19:48 < rsbeq-cam> is there ever anything to miss?
19:48 < BleuLlama> good point. heh.
20:00 < eelriverlt> During the partitioning, no matter what ipod I have (I have a 3rd gen. 15G) partition 1 will start with First cylinder=1 and end with last cylinder=10?
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20:08 < leachbj> eelriverlt: yes
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20:10 < eelriverlt> leachbj, Thanks
20:12 < eelriverlt> And I take it it's alright to the editing of /etc/rc before I install it
20:13 < leachbj> sure
20:13 < eelriverlt> Thanks, just getting my ducks in a row
20:14 < leachbj> np
20:17 < BleuLlama> quack
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20:30 < macPod> leachbj could you put up a new beta binary of podzilla?
20:30 < macPod> if you have not done so already
20:30 < leachbj> i did earlier today :)
20:30 < macPod> cool
20:30 < macPod> I'll psot that update to the installer tongiht
20:30 < leachbj> if you try it out can you let me know how it goes?
20:30 < leachbj> :)
20:30 < macPod> sure
20:31 < macPod> does it have the updated image browsing?
20:31 < zsk009> whats in it?
20:31 < macPod> I do not remember if that was added to cvs yet
20:31 < leachbj> its current CVS as of today.
20:31 < macPod> ok
20:31 < zsk009> k
20:31 < leachbj> see CVS changelog
20:31 < rsbeq-cam> image browsing?
20:32 < rsbeq-cam> There is no image browsing...
20:32 < rsbeq-cam> updated image _viewing_
20:32 < zsk009> the image viewer is sweet
20:32 < macPod> whatever ;p
20:32 < rsbeq-cam> But so useless
20:32 < macPod> in your opinion
20:32 < zsk009> no, i put a map on it, its sweet
20:33 < rsbeq-cam> doesn't it take forever to load?
20:33 < macPod> it's nice for maps
20:33 < rsbeq-cam> I tried a bus map
20:33 < rsbeq-cam> and it takes forever
20:33 < zsk009> i did mapquest map
20:33 < macPod> make it b&w
20:33 < rsbeq-cam> oh
20:33 < rsbeq-cam> those are tiny
20:33 < rsbeq-cam> good idea, actually
20:33 < rsbeq-cam> wow
20:33 < zsk009> works great
20:33 < rsbeq-cam> Did you have to convert it at all?
20:34 < macPod> ?
20:34 < zsk009> i did, but im not sure if u really need to
20:34 < rsbeq-cam> How did you convert?
20:34 < zsk009> photoshop + ipod pallet
20:34 < rsbeq-cam> ipod pallete?
20:35 < zsk009> yeah, some one made a pallete of the ipod colors when ipod wizard was released
20:35 < rsbeq-cam> oh
20:35 < zsk009> u want it?
20:36 < rsbeq-cam> No, I don't have photoshop or anything
20:36 < zsk009> i didnt have it either... till i downloaded it :-)
20:37 < rsbeq-cam> omg that's leet-o
20:38 < zsk009> whats leet, i keep seein it, but i donno wht it means
20:39 < rsbeq-cam> Haha.
20:39 < zsk009> ... how about tellin me what it means...
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20:39 < BleuLlama> you can accomplish the same thing (color wise) with xv..
20:39 < zsk009> irfanview is good for converting too
20:40 < BleuLlama> just desaturate then screw with the contrast to get good levels
20:40 < zsk009> so what does leet mean??
20:40 < monkeyman_> if you don't have photoshop, get the gimp..
20:40 < BleuLlama> you could probably use gimp also.
20:40 < monkeyman_> haha, nice bleu
20:40 < jessem> .
20:40 < BleuLlama> but there's a lot less to install for xv
20:41 < BleuLlama> load up the image, hit 'e' to bring up the color editor...  right click for the main file window...  it's a bit odd, but it works really well
20:42 < rsbeq-cam> I didn't know xv edited :(
20:42 < zsk009> where can i get xv?
20:42 < rsbeq-cam> Oops, I'm confusing it with xview ;)
20:42 < BleuLlama> you can edit colors, crop, and add some basic effects...
20:42 < BleuLlama> zsk google for it
20:43 < coob> hmm there's a project i can do
20:43 < zsk009> i did
20:43 < coob> ipod image converter
20:43 < coob> does it read png
20:43 < coob> or gif?
20:43 < BleuLlama> well, i just googled 'xv' and the first item is the homepage
20:43 < BleuLlama> yes. 3.10 does load/save png
20:44 < rsbeq-cam> ooh, coob, do it
20:44 < BleuLlama> and yes it loads/saves png, gif, jpg, bmp, tiff, etc...
20:44 < coob> ok png probably be best for indexed colour then
20:44 < zsk009> http://www.trilon.com/xv/ is my first 
20:44 < BleuLlama> yeah.  and?
20:44 < BleuLlama> that's the homepage for it
20:45 < coob> script using imagemagick probably a good starting point
20:45 < zsk009> oh, didnt look like one
20:45 < BleuLlama> some people don't like xv because it's not GPL...  but i don't care..
20:45 < BleuLlama> yeah. Imagemagick is my other favorite
20:45 < coob> gpl facists.
20:45 < BleuLlama> that is GPL, i believe
20:45 < rsbeq-cam> what is it instead of gpl?
20:46 < BleuLlama> i use imagemagick tools for converting lots of images using simple shell scripts
20:46 < coob> shareware isnt it
20:46 < BleuLlama> i think it's shareware, yeah.
20:46 < rsbeq-cam> What a tacky website
20:46 < BleuLlama> rsb: it's an old website.  they focus their time on development, not website
20:46 < coob> tacky program heh
20:46 < BleuLlama> i've been using xv since around 1993 or so
20:47 < BleuLlama> it's pertty powerful once you know how to use it
20:47 < rsbeq-cam> geek
20:47 < BleuLlama> especially for viewing batches of images...   xv -maxpect *jpg   etc
20:48 < zsk009> can someone tell me what leet means now?
20:48 < BleuLlama> another option would be http://www.imagemagick.org/
20:48 < BleuLlama> just link in the libraries..
20:49 < zsk009> nvm, i googled it
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20:51 < josh_> 2 questions:
20:52 < josh_> how many greys can the iPod LCD display?
20:52 < BleuLlama> two bits (4 levels)
20:52 < josh_> thx
20:52 < BleuLlama> black, dark gray, light gray, white  (more or less)
20:52 < josh_> and is it bigarm or littlearm?
20:52  * BleuLlama shrugs
20:52 < BleuLlama> do you mean endinness?
20:52 < josh_> (the ARM processor - is it running as big- or little-endian)? yep
20:53 < coob> BleuLlama: check out qiv
20:53 < coob> qiv = nicer than xv
20:53 < coob> and freer
20:54 < BleuLlama> i dunno josh.  i'm an app type person, not a system level person
20:54 < BleuLlama> coob: checking it out. :)
20:54 < zsk009> nicer website
20:54 < josh_> BleuLlama: I'm making a cross toolchain, want to make sure I got it right
20:55 < coob> josh_: there's instructions fro compiling a cross toolchain on the wiki
20:55 < BleuLlama> i think there are toolchain build instructions on the wiki
20:55 < josh_> ah, ok
20:55 < rsbeq-cam> I believe it's little
20:55 < leachbj> josh_: little
20:55 < josh_> great
20:55 < josh_> that's what it did
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20:55 < josh_> ./configure --target=arm-elf
20:55 < BleuLlama> hmm, this looks really cool coob. thanks.
20:55 < josh_> worked fine
20:55  * BleuLlama downloads
20:55 < BleuLlama> hmm. needs gtk.
20:55 < BleuLlama> maybe there's a fink package...
20:56 < coob> oh you're on a mac
20:56  * coob forgot
20:56 < BleuLlama> yep
20:56 < coob> there's loads of free little apps for slideshows//etc over on versiontracker.com
20:56 < coob> i was thinking qiv for looonix.
20:57 < BleuLlama> well, if i'm going to get something, i want it to completely replace xv...  if i'm gonna go through that trouble.
20:57 < BleuLlama> maybe i'll just stick with xv for now... 
20:57 < rsbeq-cam> I'm out
20:57 < coob> http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/PngSuite/basn0g02.png
20:57 < rsbeq-cam> Later
20:57 < coob> can someone see if podzilla opens that ok
20:57 < coob> bye]
20:58 < rsbeq-cam> Why would it not?
20:58 < BleuLlama> safari opens it fine.  ;)
20:58 < rsbeq-cam> Podzilla maps colors to the nearest fit in its 4-color palette
21:00 < rsbeq-cam> Crap it doesn't open png
21:00 < rsbeq-cam> poopy
21:00 < coob> darn
21:00 < rsbeq-cam> Hmm
21:01 < coob> png in general
21:01 < coob> or thator that png
21:01 < rsbeq-cam> any png
21:01 < rsbeq-cam> HAVE_PNG_SUPPORT         = N
21:01 < rsbeq-cam> we don't compile png support into mwin for some rason
21:01 < rsbeq-cam> reason
21:02 < rsbeq-cam> Oh well
21:02 < rsbeq-cam> I don't see why that couldn't be changed.....
21:02 < rsbeq-cam> Bye!
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21:45 < lamonteyoung> hello, any idea when the web server will be working again?
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21:51 < haunted_i> didn't know it was down
21:52 < Luke> its not down
21:52 < Gargamale> Man, I cant wait to play Tetris on my 4G, it's gonna own
21:52 < Gargamale> You guys rock
21:52 < Gargamale> Thanks for all your efforts
21:55 < veteran> lamonteyoung - it's fine...
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22:01 < lamonteyoung> veteran: I haven't been able to get there since the /.ing
22:01 < lamonteyoung> I think DNS is timing out
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22:02 < lamonteyoung> host www.ipodlinux.org
22:02 < lamonteyoung> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
22:02 < lamonteyoung> dynamic-addr-83-173:~ jon$ host www.aol.com
22:02 < lamonteyoung> www.aol.com is an alias for www.gwww.aol.com.
22:02 < veteran> must be your ISP's problam
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22:02 < lamonteyoung> come on
22:03 < veteran> it's working fine for everyone else
22:03 < BleuLlama> yeah. it works fine here.  (Frontiernet DSL)
22:03 < lamonteyoung> It was working fine before the /.ing
22:03 < lamonteyoung> well can someone give me the ip so I can edit /etc/hosts
22:03 < veteran> 70.84.20.250
22:04 < lamonteyoung> weird, its working fine from another machine on my isp...
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22:07 < lamonteyoung> weird, my upstream dns caches non responsive replies
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22:24 < josh_> fun, cross-compiler chicken-and-egg error.
22:25 < josh_> the cross-compiler doesn't work to compile some gcc stuff, because there's no crt0.o
22:25 < josh_> which is part of glibc, which needs the cross-compiler to compile.
22:25 < josh_> ad infinitum, VIR
22:25 < BleuLlama> usually crt0 is assembled, not compiled... i thought
22:26 < BleuLlama> (on other embedded platforms i've worked on, in the very least)
22:27 < josh_> maybe in glibc, but there's no crt0.S in gcc source
22:27 < josh_> I'm pretty sure crt0.o is "owned" by glibc
22:28 < josh_> whoah
22:28 < josh_> 'make' failed, but then I did 'make install' and it worked
22:28 < josh_> nvm
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22:34 < josh_> does the 4G ipod have an FPU?
22:34 < Gargamale> FU
22:34 < josh_> eh?
22:35 < Gargamale> I got nothin
22:35 < Gargamale> Sorry
22:35 < BleuLlama> no
22:35 < josh_> n/p
22:35 < josh_> BleuLlama: ok thx
22:35 < josh_> I'm configuring uclibc right now :-)
22:35 < Gargamale> For?
22:35 < BleuLlama> oh wait
22:35 < BleuLlama> FPU... I'm thinking MMU
22:35 < BleuLlama> actually, i don't think it has either...
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22:40 < josh_> Gargamale: for an iPodLinux dev kit of course!
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22:52 < eelriver> Ok, during partitioning, instead of: Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (1-33, default 33), I get: Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (1-5, default 5) , So using "10" isn't going to work. What should I put in there?
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22:54 < josh_> eelriver: just a guess, try 3
22:54 < josh_> don't blame me if it messes up your ipod
22:54 < josh_> I'd suggest backing up your music.
22:55 < eelriver> josh_,  First thing I did was backup my music
22:55 < josh_> cool
22:55 < josh_> then you have nothing to lose
22:55 < josh_> what generation is your ipod?
22:56 < eelriver> 3rd, 15G
22:56 < josh_> should work
22:56 < josh_> it's probably just different drive geometry
22:56 < josh_> wait a sec...
22:56 < eelriver> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 1823.
22:56 < josh_> is it mac or win formatted?
22:57 < eelriver> Win
22:57 < josh_> the mac ones you need to change partition 2, win ones ptn 1
22:57 < josh_> mac has the Mac partition table as Windows partition 1.
22:57 < josh_> what does fdisk's p command say?
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22:57 < eelriver> I also got this, which isn't mentioned on the wiki Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5
22:58 < eelriver> q
22:58 < eelriver> oops
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22:58 < josh_> yeah, you might have a slightly weird ptn table
22:59 < josh_> try p from w/in fdisk
22:59 < josh_> (on another note:  something's seriously up with the uclinux make menuconfig - "Set flash/sdram size and base addr" changes don't stick)
22:59 < eelriver> I don't have windows, just linux
23:00 < eelriver> /dev/sde1   *           1           5       40131    0  Empty
23:00 < eelriver> /dev/sde2   *           6        1823    14603085    b  W95 FAT32
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23:05 < eelriver> Using 2 would give me 16052.4 blocks
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23:16 < kjames> eelriver: did you get the partitions setup correctly?
23:18 < eelriver> /dev/sde1   *           1           2       16033+   0  Empty
23:18 < eelriver> /dev/sde2   *           6        1823    14603085    b  W95 FAT32
23:18 < eelriver> /dev/sde3               3           5       24097+  83  Linux
23:20 < kjames> eelriver: my cylinder size was the same as yours.  I created partition 1 from 1 to 1 and partition 3 from 2 to 5...but yours will probably work. 
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23:25 < eelriver> Just about to copy image to the ipod
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23:32 < courtc> veteran
23:33 < eelriver> Wiki seems to be missing a step # cp ipod_fs_040403.tar.gz /mnt/ipod/tmp
23:42 < coob> so fix it
23:42 < coob> thats the point of a wiki
23:42 < eelriver> well 
23:42 < coob> thought you shouldn't have to copy the tarball onto the ipod
23:43 < coob> you can untar it onto the ipod from anywhere
23:43 < eelriver> coob I seem to be stuck at that point right now
23:44 < eelriver> it's the cd to /mnt/ipod that's throwing me
23:44 < coob> er
23:44 < coob> where is your ipod mounted
23:45 < coob> [23:32]      eelriver | Wiki seems to be missing a step # cp ipod_fs_040403.tar.gz /mnt/ipod/tmp
23:45 < coob> is not at all neccessary
23:46 < eelriver> /dev/sde3 /mnt/ipod
23:46 < coob> and you can't cd to /tmnt/ipod?
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23:46 < coob> * /mnt/ipod
23:46 < eelriver> Oh, I'm there
23:47 < coob> ls
23:47 < coob> what's there
23:47 < eelriver> lib  lost+found
23:47 < coob> ok
23:47 < coob> where is your ipod_fs_040403.tar.gz file
23:48 < coob> (not on the ipod, in /tmp or ~ or wherever)
23:48 < eelriver> Ahh, I've got it now. I guess I was being dense
23:50 < eelriver> I gues the implausibly old time stamp is normal
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23:54 < eelriver> Bummer, kernel panic
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