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00:24 < davidc__> hey!
00:24 < davidc__> canada is awesome
00:24 < davidc__> its got....
00:24 < davidc__> err...
00:24 < davidc__> rocks
00:24 < davidc__> and trees...
00:24 < davidc__> and... uh... snow sometimes
00:24 < davidc__> and theres lots of used igloos...
00:24 < davidc__> and uh, where I live, we get free water from the sky, all the time!
00:25 < davidc__> who wouldn;t want canada??
00:25 < courtc> haha..
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00:30 < cdm> davidc__, :)
00:31 < cdm> davidc__, and a country where GW can strong arm the PM. ;)
00:31 < cdm> Jean wouldn't have taken that shit. ;)
00:32 < Grunt> hmph.
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01:01 < hoho> hey
01:03 < hoho> i know this is somewhat banal and oft asked, and offtopic, but has anyone tried formating an HFS+ formated 4g ipod in linux?
01:04 < Grunt> No.   (That's only partially offtopic, anyways.)
01:06 < hoho> hmm, all the instructions I can find are for <=3g  and i'm somewhat wary
01:06 < Grunt> the HDD won't be any different in a 4g, methinks.
01:06 < Grunt> But I'm not really the person to ask..
01:08 < cdm> it's just a mass storage device.
01:08 < cdm> if you screw it up you can always just use the updater on Mac/Windows to fix it.
01:08 < hoho> heh, i hear that, and then i hear the word firmware used on the same page
01:09 < hoho> and i associate firmware with dead bioses
01:11 < cdm> the firmware isn't on the disk.
01:11 < cdm> it's in flash.
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01:12 < cdm> so if you force the ipod into disk mode (middle+up to reset middle+down right after it resets) you can always re-format.
01:12 < hoho> ok
01:14 < courtc> hmm.. the _firmware_ is on the disk.. but the important stuff like diskmode etc. is in the flash
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01:16 < hoho> so even if i were to write over everything on the disk, i could still restore it with the apple tool at least
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01:19 < cdm> right.
01:20 < cdm> courtc, well - we call the stuff in flash the firmware.
01:20 < cdm> the stuff on disk is the app.
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01:21 < hoho> heh, the distinction is important
01:24 < hoho> ok, there's some patch that's important for the mini that i assume is important for the 4g 
01:24 < hoho> so i better reboot into the kernel with that
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01:46 < hoho> huh, well that's odd
01:46 < hoho> i only get one character and one block device
01:47 < hoho> and the block dev is the filesystem, but i don't see the software (firmware as some call it) that the ipod runs
01:52 < cdm> hoho, what OS?
01:52 < hoho> hmm, what are the chances that if i just convert the partition i can see to vfat, it'll all be happy
01:52 < hoho> linux, gentoo
01:53 < cdm> well, I am not sure how devfs works.  Will it report a partition that doesn't have a real filesystem on it?
01:53 < hoho> well i mean i can see in the dmesg that there's only one partition
01:53 < hoho> Jan 25 20:33:39 quantumfoam Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
01:53 < hoho> Jan 25 20:33:39 quantumfoam Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0,  type 0
01:54 < cdm> Is it a mac partition scheme or fdisk?
01:54 < hoho> that's a good question
01:54 < hoho> ipod.backup: Apple Partition data block size: 0 first type: ple_partition_map, number of blocks: 4092001
01:55 < hoho> that's what file tells me
01:55 < cdm> can you emerge an x86 version of mac-fdisk?
01:55 < cdm> :)
01:55 < hoho> 3 seconds, i'm emerging dosfstools
01:58 < hoho> hmm, masked by -*
02:05 < hoho> interesting
02:06 < hoho> mac-fdisk on the only block device i have shows that there should be three partitions
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02:39 < davidc__> know whats tedious?
02:39 < davidc__> rebuilding a phpbb database with over 60000 posts by hand :(
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03:06 < Jaymz> wow
03:07 < Jaymz> but we're programers so... script a way out
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03:10 < davidc__> Jaymz: basically, thats what I've done
03:10 < davidc__> but a lot has to be done by hand
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03:14 < Jonas_NZ> hey all
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03:17 < cdm> evening.
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05:03 < CompotatoJ> How'z 4g support comin' along?
05:03 < CompotatoJ> http://www.ipodlinux.org/blog
05:04 < CompotatoJ> Dang, no change.
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05:13  * BleuLlama yawns
05:13 < CompotatoJ> Want some troll action if this chat is boring
05:13 < CompotatoJ> ?
05:13 < CompotatoJ> *(Guesses the answer is a no)*
05:13 < BleuLlama> i never said it was boring.  i'm just tired
05:14 < CompotatoJ> Ah.
05:14 < CompotatoJ> Am I a familiar IRC Name yet?
05:14 < CompotatoJ> (also _jeffg and goodircchatter, ieachbj, etc...)
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05:16 < BleuLlama> yeah. you're the noob dork that was stealing nicks a few days back
05:18 < zsk009> me?
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05:21 < BleuLlama> no; CompotatoJ
05:21 < CompotatoJ> yes
05:21 < CompotatoJ> me
05:21 < zsk009> haha, sorry, all i saw on the screen was that comment and no one was talking
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05:46 < zer0python> I don't get that quit
05:52 < BleuLlama> it's a noob trying to make shell humor, trying to be funny... trying too hard.
06:00 < davidc__> CompotatoJ is just a damn troll action
06:00 < davidc__> err, - the action
06:01 < davidc__> I dunno where the fuck the action came from
06:01 < davidc__> I think I'll ban him next time I see him
06:01 < BleuLlama> i don't think anyone would argue with that decision
06:01 < davidc__> especially as he asked about the 4g
06:01 < davidc__> unfortunatly, I was AFK at that point
06:02 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b ~Jeff@!.san.rr.c*@* ] by davidc__
06:02 < BleuLlama> i'd kickban his ass but (1) i can never remember the commands and (2) I don't have ops.... not that it matters... i don't want ops.
06:02 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b ~Jeff@!.san.rr.c*@* ] by davidc__
06:02 < BleuLlama> why'd you unban?
06:02 < davidc__> eh, I'll kickban his ass next time I see him
06:02 < davidc__> it didn't come out right
06:02 < BleuLlama> oh. heh
06:03 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b *!~Jeff@*.san.rr.com ] by davidc__
06:03 < davidc__> that might work
06:03 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b *!~Jeff@*.san.rr.com ] by davidc__
06:03 < davidc__> eh, I'll just wait till I see him again
06:03 < davidc__> more impace
06:03 < davidc__> er, impact
06:03 < zer0python> this arm-elf thing is starting to tick me off
06:03 < BleuLlama> ya
06:03 < zer0python> different errors everytime
06:03 < zer0python> :s
06:03 < davidc__> zer0python: building your own toolchain?
06:03 < zer0python> trying too
06:03 < davidc__> its like pounding nails into your head with your palm
06:04 < BleuLlama> why?
06:04 < zer0python> why do I get bad instruction errors
06:04 < zer0python> :s
06:04 < veteran> well thank you all for the enlightening conversation
06:04 < veteran> goodnight.
06:04 < zer0python> nite veteran 
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06:05 < zer0python> davidc__, however.. there is an available pre-built toolchain?
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06:30 < joshk> hi there
06:30 < joshk> hm, ok, topic answers question :)
06:32 < zer0python> joshk, 4g ipod?
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06:39 < joshk> zer0python: yeh
06:43 < zer0python> joshk, join the club :(
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07:19 < cdm> haha..
07:19 < cdm> poor 4g guys working without Portal Player docs.
07:19 < cdm> gotta suck.
07:19 < cdm> zer0python, where are you stuck now?
07:21 < zer0python> http://zer0python.ath.cx/~joseph/errors.txt
07:24 < cdm> easy.
07:25 < cdm> you didn't add the binutils you installed to your $PATH before running configure for gcc.
07:25 < cdm> and you need to have it set before you run make too.
07:25 < zer0python> yeah I did
07:25 < zer0python> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/java/bin:/opt/www/htdig/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:.:/opt/armtools/bin
07:25 < cdm> you also probably don't want to build multilib.
07:26 < cdm> if you do, turn off the thumb.
07:26 < cdm> that could be my fault.
07:27 < cdm> since I have my arm-elf chain setup to build an fPIC/fno-exceptions mhard/soft rather then a thumb multilib.
07:27 < zer0python> so: ./configure --disable-nls --prefix=/opt/armtools --target=arm-unknown-elf --program-prefix=arm-efl- --enable-languages=c # new ./configure ?
07:31 < cdm> yeah.
07:31 < cdm> make sure you do a "make distclean" before re-configuring.
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07:46 < zer0python> try this again..
07:47 < joshk> zer0python: what linux distro?
07:49 < zer0python> that I'm compiling on?
07:53 < cdm> joshk, doesn't matter.
07:53  * cdm builds his cross tools on OSX.
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08:08 < zer0python> o.o
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08:27 < cdm> g'night
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08:30 < joshk> hm, cdm lives in my neighborhood
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09:15 < hijacker> does anyone know if the G4 iPod audio ground is isolated from the power ground?
09:18 < Jonas_NZ> gnite all
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10:08 < alias|charlie> would there be a reason that when i play music through podzilla its all crackly and skips an farts around, is that just the mp3decoder that podzilla is using or is it somethinge esle?
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10:32 < jfontan> hello
10:34 < jfontan> everybody coding? :D
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10:57 < \krunch> has the mp3 player in podzilla been tested with vbr mp3s?
11:00 < \krunch> okay there is a little bug there, playing VBR encoded mp3s its cant handle it, i could be going over the rate thats been coded into it
11:03 < \krunch> once playing a vbr mp3 seems to make solid br mp3s playup as well
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11:20 < peterburk> hey ppl!
11:20 < peterburk> dead chat as usual?
11:20 < jfontan> seems so
11:21 < peterburk> why am i not surprised...
11:21 < peterburk> anyway, i have a question
11:21 < peterburk> how should i best go about updating the firmware & kernel on my FAT32 ipod form my mac?
11:21 < peterburk> *from
11:22 < peterburk> and if i can't do it from the mac, is it possible using linux with usb?
11:25 < peterburk> 37 people online and noone talking - this place is pretty admirable
11:30 < peterburk> even blindspy on msn is silent...
11:32 < jfontan> I'm a newbie
11:32 < jfontan> I can not answer that question
11:32 < peterburk> thats ok
11:33 < peterburk> mac or pc formatted ipod?
11:33 < jfontan> pc
11:33 < jfontan> I'm a PC user
11:33 < peterburk> linux or windows GUI install?
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11:36 < Serer0ku> hello
11:37 < peterburk> hey
11:37 < peterburk> this chat is pretty dead, i have a question if you dont use the GUI installer for the firmware though
11:39 < jfontan> peterburk, I've not yet installed ipodlinux, I have a 4G iPod
11:39 < jfontan> I'll try to compile podzilla on my linux and start creating aplications while it's being ported
11:40 < peterburk> i c
11:40 < peterburk> i have an application request if youre interested
11:41 < peterburk> a podzilla-calculator-like program for typing in text using the scrollwheel - slow, but if you just want to jot down a phone number it'd be good enough for me
11:43 < peterburk> ive also part-written an On-The-Go playlist editor that i gave up on due to lack of cooperation with my dad, he could never work on it for more than 5 mins after taking an hour to find out where he was
11:44 < jfontan> 8)
11:45 < jfontan> I have in mind an application to play mp3's but adding some "DJ" features
11:45 < peterburk> sry, g2g eat lunch
11:45 < peterburk> ill leave it open though in case anyone reads my question about firmware installation
11:45 < peterburk> ttyl
11:46 < jfontan> but I don't know if can be made on iPod hardware
11:46 < jfontan> I'm now at work, thats why I take my time to answer 8)
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12:12 < jfontan> hola Stallman
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12:17 < jfontan> Linux`for`4G, estas esperando por el ipod o por el port de linux a 4G?
12:20 < Linux`for`4G> english plz -_-
12:21 < jfontan> ok
12:21 < peterburk> if you want to know the progress for the 4G, view the title of this very page
12:21 < peterburk> quoting: " visit http://www.ipodlinux.org/4g before asking)"
12:21 < jfontan> peterburk, I've already seen that page, thx
12:21 < jfontan> Linux`for`4G, I though you were spanish as your domain comes from an spanish ISP
12:21 < peterburk> well, that gets updated as soon as anything, nilss has got the bootloader sorta working is still the latest
12:22 < peterburk> i read all the forums, so if anything comes up, then you'll hear about it
12:23 < Linux`for`4G> i hope it will be released next few weeks? ^^
12:23 < peterburk> few weeks? more likely months
12:24 < Linux`for`4G> ok -_-"
12:24 < Linux`for`4G> ^^
12:24 < peterburk> linux on 3rd gen took about 3 months i think
12:24 < Linux`for`4G> wow
12:24 < Linux`for`4G> ^^
12:25 < peterburk> easter 2004 it came out
12:25 < Linux`for`4G> ooooh
12:25 < Linux`for`4G> ^^
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12:26 < Linux`for`4G> why did i sell my 3g =)
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12:53 < peterburk> brb, im just going to go and try to patch this firmware myself (ive just finished backing it up)
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13:07 < peterburk> hi again ppl
13:08 < peterburk> i tried the patch, it turns out that the program i used to edit the icons doesnt work
13:08 < peterburk> ipodicons 0.3.0 for mac os x
13:08 < peterburk> linux is also now screwed, with a kernel panic as follows:
13:09 < peterburk> Kernel panic: UFS: Unable to mount root rs on 03:03
13:09 < peterburk> its a winpod with the uclinux-2.4.24-ipod2 kernel
13:09 < peterburk> any ideas ppl?
13:10 < peterburk> however, an interesting thing to note is that apple's fw still works
13:11 < peterburk> which means the kernel is the same between both mac and pc
13:12 < peterburk> i mean firmware not kernel
13:15 < peterburk> just restored from backup, now working fine
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13:52 < BleuLlama> fre.  yo
13:52 < fre_ber> Hi
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14:50 < VaW> I've seen on 4G page that you need people with 4G model and reverse engeneering talent
14:50 < VaW> I've programed a lot in asm some years ago
14:50 < VaW> but x86
14:50 < VaW> I have no idea abot arm asm
14:50 < VaW> about
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14:50 < VaW> could I be usefull?
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16:01 < BleuLlama> oops
16:01 < BleuLlama> didn't mean to private message you, VaW.
16:01 < BleuLlama> VaW: I suggest starting to learn ARM asm, and if you like doing it, get involved with the kernel team. :)
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16:28  * BleuLlama posts a reply to the podzilla design re-org thread.  whee
16:32 < VaW> BleuLlama, sorry, I was doing other things
16:32 < VaW> BleuLlama, I'll try to learn a bit, it shouldn't be very dificult
16:33 < zer0python> haha.. while I was sleeping last night gcc crapped out at the same spot
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16:52 < cdm> morning.
17:01 < zer0python> mornin'
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17:05 < zer0python> gcc crapped out at the same spot again..
17:07 < zer0python> let me try a newer version of gcc
17:10 < cdm> zer0python, what one are you trying to build?
17:11 < zer0python> well
17:11 < zer0python> I was building the same version I currently had on my system... but I'll get the latest
17:12 < zer0python> 3.2.2 I beleive
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18:06 < Fuzion`> Hey guysm
18:06 < Fuzion`> Any of you making the HTTP browser?
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18:21 < Fuzion`> hi courtc
18:21 < courtc> hey
18:21 < Fuzion`> coded anything latly?
18:22 < courtc> haha, not enough...
18:22 < courtc> why?
18:22 < Fuzion`> lol
18:22 < Fuzion`> wonderin :P
18:22 < Fuzion`> whats ure project?
18:23 < \krunch> make podzilla like VBR mp3s
18:23 < Fuzion`> cbr?
18:23 < Fuzion`> vbr?
18:24 < \krunch> vbr= veriablebiterate
18:24 < cdm> can podzilla play MP3's in realtime yet?
18:24 < Fuzion`> oh
18:24 < Fuzion`> :P
18:24 < \krunch> it seems to not like them
18:24 < Fuzion`> any1 that aint in ipodlinux got any application projects going?
18:24 < \krunch> and once u have played one it seems to crap out the decoder on soilded tracks
18:25 < Fuzion`> let me kno?
18:26 < Fuzion`> :P
18:28 < \krunch> i gotta goto tech later boys an girls
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18:32  * Grunt would love to get podzilla to play ogg
18:32 < Grunt> I may make a project of that as soon as I get hardware with which I can try it;)
18:33 < coob> eh good luck
18:33 < Grunt> thanks.
18:34 < Fuzion`> what is it grunt:)
18:34 < coob> oggs require more processing, zap battery life faster. can see it happen on the rio karma (which uses a similar SOC to the iPod)
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18:34 < fuzion`> Grunt:
18:34 < Grunt> .
18:34 < Grunt> fuzion`:
18:35 < fuzion`> what is your idea
18:35 < Grunt> ...I want to get podzilla to play ogg? :)
18:35 < fuzion`> oh lol
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19:05 < zer0python> grunt, you'd be a hero, if you'd get grunt to play flac ;)
19:05 < Grunt> huh?:)
19:06 < fuzion`> grunt what else have u coded
19:06 < Grunt> mm, I do mostly coding for games
19:06 < zer0python> OMG
19:06 < zer0python> gcc compiled.. no errors
19:06 < zer0python> :D
19:07 < Grunt> though I did write an (as yet unofficial) kernel module to work with my laptop's battery..
19:07 < Grunt> not write, port, I suppose
19:07 < fuzion`> what games?
19:07 < Grunt> ufo2000, FreeCol
19:07 < Grunt> those are the biggies :)
19:07 < fuzion`> cs :(
19:07 < Grunt> mm?
19:07 < Grunt> which CS do you mean? :)
19:08  * BleuLlama is still wondering why zero has been trying to build his tools... there are downloads available, you know...
19:08 < coob> zer0python: podzilla flac support is partially working
19:08 < coob> only works with level 2 compression atm afaik
19:08 < coob> ipodlinux.org/MPD
19:09 < Grunt> \o/
19:09 < zer0python> coob, dun do me any good.. got a 4g ipod :|
19:11 < Grunt> zer0python, so help with the 4g effort:)
19:11 < zer0python> grunt, that's why I was installing the arm toolchain
19:11 < zer0python> :p
19:12 < Grunt> ok:)
19:12  * Grunt will help as soon as he has some hardware with which to test:)
19:13 < zer0python> ...
19:13 < zer0python> /opt/armtools/lib/gcc/arm-unknown-elf/3.4.3/../../../../arm-unknown-elf/bin/ld: cannot find -lc
19:13 < Grunt> ...
19:13 < Grunt> Did you compile an arm glibc?
19:13 < Grunt> or uclibc
19:14 < zer0python> *sighs*
19:14 < fuzion`> cs the game
19:14 < fuzion`> counter strike
19:14 < zer0python> took me 2 days to get gcc to compile.. how long for libc
19:14  * Grunt shrugs.
19:14 < Grunt> fuzion`: I used to mod HL
19:15 < Grunt> got bored with it b/c the mods weren't going anywhere:)
19:15 < pokute> 2 days for gcc ?
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19:20  * Grunt reads coob's take on the 4g page
19:20 < Grunt> "you will most likely be eaten by a grue." go coob!:)
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20:26 < zer0python> pokute, yeah.. kepting erroring out! :p
20:27 < fuzion`> hi
20:28 < zer0python> hmm.. no.. configuring glibc is basically just a --prefix=/opt/armtools and a CC=arm-elf-gcc AR=arm-elf-ar RANLIB-arm-elf-ranlib :s
20:30 < fuzion`> can i open a .bin though gentoo?
20:34 < zer0python> fuzion`, what do you mean?
20:34 < fuzion`> well
20:35 < fuzion`> ipodlinux
20:35 < fuzion`> is bin files
20:43 < zer0python> right.. I don't know understand what your asking though
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20:51 < fuzion`> yea how do i open the .bin
20:57 < zer0python> yeah.. perhaps you should ask someone else.. cause I'm quite lost with what exactly our trying to do :s
20:57 < chungy> .bin typical means binary. They're either executable, or something
20:57 < chungy> If you need help installing, see the wiki
21:04 < fuzion`> yea i kow but where are the C files found for ipodlinux in the installer
21:04 < fuzion`> ?
21:04 < fre_ber_> ?
21:05 < fuzion`> :s
21:05 < fre_ber_> The C source is in the CVS.
21:05 < fuzion`> yea
21:05 < fuzion`> how i compile
21:05 < fuzion`> though gentoo
21:05 < fre_ber_> Compile what into what?
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21:08 < fuzion`> ok
21:08 < fuzion`> fre_ber_
21:08 < fuzion`> first off
21:08 < fuzion`> if i have a load of files C files i wanna put into my ipod to make somthing
21:08 < fuzion`> how do i do it
21:09 < fre_ber> There is lots of information on the Wiki. Are you talking about compiling podzilla, the kernel, MS Windows or what?
21:10 < fuzion`> yea
21:10 < fuzion`> thats i
21:10 < fuzion`> tpodzilla
21:11 < fre_ber> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla
21:12 < fuzion`> ok
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21:17 < zer0python> easy enough :s
21:17 < zer0python> reads some arm assembly tuts
21:17  * zer0python reads some arm assembly tuts *
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21:36 < fre_ber> Grr.. Network connection drops on me.. :(
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21:43 < cdm> http://www.westshorecraftworks.com/
21:45 < fre_ber> Cool idea.
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21:56 < zer0python> hello
22:00 < CompotatoJ> hello
22:02 < courtc> hello
22:03 < CompotatoJ> sets mode +o CompotatoJ
22:03 < BleuLlama> weren't we going to kickban your ass, jeff?
22:04 < CompotatoJ> I _will_ behave well now, like a respectable IRC Chatter. :)
22:08 < courtc> uh huh
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22:13 < gtanindahouse> yo
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22:14 < CompotatoJ> gtaindahouse (left to place gta)
22:19 < zer0python> hmm
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22:23 < normalperson> courtc: hi
22:24 < courtc> hey
22:24 < normalperson> did you get my email?
22:25 < courtc> sure did.. I'll try to get started tonight..
22:25 < normalperson> cool
22:25 < normalperson> keep me in the loop :)
22:26 < courtc> for(;;) normalperson;
22:26 < normalperson> har
22:34 < coob> syntax error!
22:35 < zer0python> coob, ...
22:35 < coob> for(;;) { normalperson; }
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22:35 < coob> or for(;;) { normalperson(); }
22:35 < zer0python> or for(;;) normalperson();
22:36 < zer0python> that is legal ya know :p
22:36 < zer0python> actually
22:36 < zer0python> #define normalperson normalperson()
22:36 < zer0python> would allow for the original loop to work out fine! :p
22:36  * zer0python feels lame now
22:36 < zer0python> *walks away whisling*
22:37 < coob> not in my country it isn't!
22:38 < coob> The Provission For Coob Being Eternally Right Act of 1987 Subsection 42a: "It is thus pronounced that for loops must have those curly brace thingys"
22:39 < fre_ber> I concur. ;)
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22:40 < zer0python> ...
22:40 < zer0python> coob, I try not to use the braces when I don't have to !
22:40 < fre_ber> Uglyyy... :)
22:41 < normalperson> bah, loops around a single line are pointless
22:41 < normalperson> actually, I prefer Python's indentation scheme
22:41 < normalperson> err.. braces around
22:41 < fre_ber> But I also don't like to have the opening curly braces on the same row as the block statement...
22:42 < normalperson> I like Documentation/CodingStyle in the Linux kernel sources
22:42 < normalperson> fre_ber: pointless waste of vertical space
22:42 < normalperson> well, I've seen C code that does this: #define THEN {
22:42 < coob> if (arse) {
22:42 < coob>   po
22:43 < fre_ber> Haven't looked at it. No, I find it a lot easier to look at the code when the braces are on the same columns.
22:43 < normalperson> #define ENDIF }
22:43 < coob> } else {
22:43 < coob>  whatever
22:43 < coob> }
22:43 < coob> easy!
22:43 < normalperson> if (true) THEN do_something ENDIF
22:43 < coob> eh
22:43 < coob> waste of space/time :)
22:43 < zer0python> normalperson, sure they didn't have a #define IF if
22:43 < zer0python> make it a little more basicy
22:43 < normalperson> zer0python: I've seen that, too
22:44 < normalperson> actually, M$ does that to INT :p
22:44 < coob> normalperson did you take a look at the real arm optimised mp3 codec?
22:44 < normalperson> coob: haven't had time to
22:44 < normalperson> url?
22:44 < zer0python> normalperson, sure it's not a typedef int INT; ?
22:45 < coob> http://booc.coob.org/helix-mp3-decoder-cvsrip-20050119.tar.gz
22:45 < coob> couldn't access their cvs
22:45 < coob> so that's scraped from their web browse cvs thing
22:45 < normalperson> coob: ok, saved, I'll look at it later
22:45 < normalperson> hehe
22:45 < normalperson> zer0python: maybe it was
22:45 < coob> reminds me, need to code a script to do that
22:45 < courtc> yes, curly braces around single lines are silly...
22:46 < courtc> Documentation/CodingStyle rocks :)
22:46 < zer0python> if ms invented C.. it'd probably be all capatil letters
22:46 < BleuLlama> (when (= coob awesome) (setq world (true))))
22:46 < BleuLlama> hmm
22:46 < zer0python> DO { /* bleh bleh */ } WHILE(1);
22:46 < fre_ber> Would I have that coding style documentation installed somewhere? Does it come with gcc or something?
22:47 < zer0python> kernel
22:47 < fre_ber> Got to love Lisp.
22:47  * BleuLlama does
22:47 < fre_ber> :)
22:48 < zer0python> Rationale: The whole idea behind indentation is to clearly define where
22:48 < zer0python> a block of control starts and ends.  Especially when you've been looking
22:48 < zer0python> at your screen for 20 straight hours, you'll find it a lot easier to see
22:48 < zer0python> how the indentation works if you have large indentations.
22:48 < zer0python> *snickers*
22:48 < BleuLlama> i wrote a lisp-like interpreter a few years back "lithp".  then grafted it into a random artwork generator, to hopefully learn to generate art that the observer likes (genetic algorithm/genetic programming on the lithp-based graphics rendering programs)
22:49 < BleuLlama> http://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Software/sp/
22:49 < BleuLlama> heh. i haven;t touched the lisp-like interpreter since october of 2001. hehe
22:49 < zer0python> lmao first time actually reading CodingStyles.. "The answer to that is that if you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you're screwed anyway, you should fix your program."
22:51 < fre_ber> That, I concur with.
22:51 < fre_ber> err.. Is that correct grammar? I agree.. :)
22:51 < hoho> yeah, in most cases that' right
22:51 < hoho> fre_ber: correct, but poor
22:51 < hoho> oh
22:51 < fre_ber> :)
22:51 < hoho> nevermind
22:52 < hoho> you're right
22:52 < hoho> it's good
22:52 < fre_ber> Oh.
22:53 < fre_ber> I think that the coding style I was taught in scool was somewhat based on those guidelines. Or the same source at least.
22:56  * BleuLlama goes home.  *wave*
22:58 < fre_ber> Home? You spend your office time here in #ipodlinux? ;)
22:58 < BleuLlama> yeah.  i have irc running all the time in a screen session.  
22:58 < BleuLlama> usually this server, and another server, where some local friends are also connected during work hours
22:58 < fre_ber> Hehe, much work getting done? ;)
22:58 < BleuLlama> actually, yes
22:58 < BleuLlama> it helps keep me sane and grounded. :)
22:58 < fre_ber> Oh, I would be very distracted... :)
22:59 < BleuLlama> hehe
22:59 < BleuLlama> irregardless... later!
22:59 < fre_ber> With this window up, I never get anything done. :)
22:59 < fre_ber> I'm off to bed, so later!
23:00 < fre_ber> Good night.
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23:03 < davidc__> damn, wasn't here when that Jeff bugger was acting up.
23:03 < davidc__> wanted an excuse to kickban his ass
23:07 < zer0python> so.. you disk this jeff guy I take it? :s
23:07 < davidc__> disk?
23:08 < davidc__> he just generally acts like a troll
23:08 < davidc__> crapflooding
23:08 < davidc__> impersonating leachbj
23:08 < zer0python> *dislike
23:08 < davidc__> etc.
23:08 < zer0python> I meant
23:08 < zer0python> so he's the channel pita?
23:08 < davidc__> yeah basically
23:08 < davidc__> well, until I get fed up enough to kickban him
23:09 < davidc__> at which point he will be the ex-channel-pita
23:10 < zer0python> remind me not to be a pita!
23:10 < davidc__> according to some people who messaged me, he was being a pain-in the ass earlier, but my scrollback doesn't go that far...
23:10 < davidc__> zer0python: you have to try really, really hard to get on ym bad list\
23:11 < davidc__> or ask about the 4g.
23:11 < zer0python> ...does owning a 4g count to that?
23:12 < zer0python> actually I'd rather help out on the 4g in anyway I can! :)
23:12 < davidc__> yeah.. if you hang around in the channel and then ask, I'm fine with that
23:12 < davidc__> its mostly people who pop into the channel
23:12 < davidc__> and immediately ask without reading the topic
23:12 < davidc__> really, I'm actually quite a nice person
23:12 < davidc__> except to flagrant n00bs.
23:13 < zer0python> lol
23:14 < zer0python> think that's most irc'rs isn't it? :s
23:14 < normalperson> I want 5g support!
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23:17 < davidc__> normalperson: thats nice :)
23:17 < davidc__> note, the ipod shuffle will not, repeat not, be supported :)
23:17 < davidc__> as debugging it would be a huge PITA.
23:17 < zer0python> 5g = ipod phoyo ?
23:17 < zer0python> *photo
23:17 < davidc__> photo is lumped into 4g IIRC...
23:17 < davidc__> its got the same proc
23:18 < davidc__> basically the only thing thats gotta be ported is the LCD driver
23:18 < zer0python> so.. what's 5g?
23:18 < davidc__> and that shouldn't be too hard.
23:18 < davidc__> no clue
23:18 < davidc__> I think normalperson is just being his normal self
23:18 < zer0python> I guess the nick normalperson should raise hints to how normal..
23:21 < normalperson> :D
23:21 < normalperson> my ipod + mpd + hacked podzilla mpc patch gives as much functionality as an ipod shuffle
23:21 < normalperson> it's really strange to hear things like Dark Side of the Moon on shuffle
23:22 < zer0python> huh?
23:22 < normalperson> zer0python: huh? at your "huh?"
23:22 < zer0python> Well.. by shuffle they mean you long songs on there and it plays them in a random order right?
23:23 < davidc__> thats what normalpersons patch does!
23:23 < normalperson> yeah, I don't really have a UI for mpd on my ipod, so I just play songs randomly
23:23 < zer0python> ah, I misread what you said than
23:23 < zer0python> I was thinking maybe it scrambled the songs around ;)
23:23 < zer0python> scary
23:24 < normalperson> zer0python: it used to do that when I miscoded the cache :)
23:24 < zer0python> O.O
23:25 < normalperson> it used to cut into songs and play other songs
23:26 < normalperson> memory management is a pain with the 1M malloc
23:27 < fuzion`> any1 know the command to get a 6600 pci express XFX 256mb driver for gentoo?
23:27 < zer0python> so I'd assume your pretty limited on the iPod as far as memory goes.. but how limited is limited? :s
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23:28 < zer0python> fuzion`, not I
23:32 < coob> zer0python: ~32mb but there's malloc issues
23:36 < davidc__> fuzion`: errr... send the card to the following address.. and I promise to send it back to you after extensive 'testing' with various linux drivers
23:36 < fuzion`> lol
23:36 < davidc__> [read, play games on it for a while, send it back with a note that says: emerge nvidia-kernel]
23:36 < davidc__> or nvidia-drivers
23:36 < davidc__> your choice
23:37 < fuzion`> done that though
23:37 < fuzion`> :S
23:37 < davidc__> what happens?
23:39 < fuzion`> well
23:39 < fuzion`> wait
23:40 < fuzion`> ok, basiccly My mouse curser is a square about 100x100 of blackish dots, and everything else is fine, apart from my desktop is a bit big it did this in KDE 2 im in Gnome now
23:40 < fuzion`> kde to(
23:41 < zer0python> :s
23:43 < fuzion`> ?
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23:55 < fuzion`> 'libGL.so.1.0.6629' (expected: '/usr/lib/libGL.so.1', found:
23:55 < fuzion`> '/usr/lib32/opengl/nvidia/lib/libGL.so.1').
23:56 < davidc__> fuzion`: you did use opengl-select nvidia right?
23:57 < fuzion`> erm
23:57 < fuzion`> dunno
23:57 < fuzion`> i just did it with this gui thing
23:57 < fuzion`> i download from nvidia
23:57 < davidc__> ah
23:58 < fuzion`> davidc__ illd do anything to get my pc working correctly can u ssh in ill do anything paypal, webspace
23:58 < fuzion`> anything
23:59 < davidc__> umm... I'd need to use root
23:59 < davidc__> and trusting some random stranger on irc
23:59 < fuzion`> yea
23:59 < davidc__> with root
23:59 < fuzion`> plz
23:59 < davidc__> is an extremely bad idea
23:59 < fuzion`> davidc
23:59 < fuzion`> :(
23:59 < davidc__> alright
23:59 < fuzion`> i need this done its so inportent
23:59 < davidc__> well
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