--- Log opened Mon Jan 17 00:00:01 2005 00:01 -!- TheShadGuy [~chatzilla@fctnnbsch17-156034223066.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"] 00:02 < coob> what mp3 codec does podzilla use currently 00:03 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:16 -!- PusherRobot [~tophat@ip68-0-47-146.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:18 < courtc> coob- we use ipp 00:19 < coob> ipp has a codec included? 00:19 < coob> or just the math routines 00:21 < courtc> It comes withan example Mp3 decoder also.. 00:23 < courtc> it actually come with podzilla in mp3decoder.[ch] 00:25 < courtc> The comments absolutely slaughter 80col though.. 00:26 < coob> heh 00:27 < coob> wonder if you can use ipp to speed up libmad, the example decoder doesn't like vbr much 00:28 < courtc> libmad is meant to be a integer only decoder.. I think our best bet lies with davidc__ right now... That and the helix decoder.. 00:30 < coob> mm ok 00:30 * coob gets back to coding 00:30 < coob> php is more useful than it looks. 00:30 < courtc> absolutely 00:31 < courtc> well... I've got a font browser working for podzilla now.. 00:31 < coob> cool 00:31 < coob> do you have to compile all the fonts in? 00:31 < courtc> nope 00:31 < coob> trying to write some on the fly zip stuff in php but it's so sleeeew. 00:33 < courtc> I'm thinking of makeing all the 'apps' in podzilla use the same gc ... 00:33 < courtc> that would make fonts much easier 00:36 < coob> gc? 00:37 < courtc> Graphics Context 00:38 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:49 < normalperson> <@courtc> The comments absolutely slaughter 80col though.. <-- trust me, you don't want to look at libFLAC code :) 01:00 -!- dbomb [~dan@alb-24-195-99-11.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:01 < dbomb> I just backed my ipod up, and I am going to install ipod-linux 01:03 < dbomb> that was faster then I thought 01:06 -!- wbniv_ [~wbniv@user-0c6t0a3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:06 < dbomb> ipod linux is fun so far :) 01:07 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["<+phlange> i said 'dhcp' and the tech support guy started to cry and go 'i hate my job i hate my job i hate my job'"] 01:09 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:09 < Hostile> who just said they ust installed linux? 01:10 < dbomb> i did 01:10 < Hostile> dbomb, heh its fun until you try to play music :) 01:11 < dbomb> yeah... 01:11 < dbomb> i sounded all right, but was a little slow, and skipped 01:11 -!- rsbeq-cam [~doom@pool-151-200-13-247.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:11 < dbomb> but more games, and more bragging rights :) 01:11 < Hostile> dbomb, exactly 01:11 < Hostile> dbomb, yep :) 01:12 < Hostile> I have it on mine..I just keep it because I know it will be better someday 01:12 < dbomb> I took me awhile to work up the courage to try it, but I backed my ipod up and gave it ago 01:12 < dbomb> it linux at a higher res the apples firmware? 01:12 < Hostile> heh took me 30 secs to work up the courage :) 01:12 < rsbeq-cam> dbomb: That would be impossible... 01:12 < Hostile> yeah it runs the processors at a higher speed 01:12 -!- wbniv [~wbniv@user-0c6t0e2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:13 < dbomb> the font must be smaller then 01:13 < rsbeq-cam> res != cpu speed 01:13 < Hostile> rsbeq-cam, I know 01:13 < rsbeq-cam> dbomb: Yeah, I think it is... or less bold 01:13 < rsbeq-cam> Hostile: ok :) 01:13 < dbomb> what is button debounce for? 01:15 < rsbeq-cam> I really have no idea, but it might be to prevent accidental quick double-taps of buttons 01:15 < dbomb> ok, that makes sence 01:15 < davidc__> when a button is pressed, it doesn't just make one contact 01:15 < rsbeq-cam> Speaking of making sense, I need to find a job 01:15 < rsbeq-cam> Look, it's davidc! 01:16 < davidc__> at the press-down and release it makes a whole bunch of momentary contacts 01:16 < davidc__> which results in somewhere around a billion little events 01:16 < dbomb> and that pref, limits how many? 01:17 * dbomb looks at the user guide 01:17 < davidc__> well, it just enforces a tiny delay 01:17 < dbomb> can you record with any head phones? 01:18 < rsbeq-cam> dbomb: Oughta be able to 01:18 < coob> dbomb: some wont work 01:18 < dbomb> ill see if mine will work then 01:21 < dbomb> awesome, mine work 01:22 < dbomb> hmm, its stuck looping the wma 01:22 * BleuLlama modded his iPod this morning. 01:22 < davidc__> WMA? 01:22 < davidc__> it. doesn't. play. wma. 01:22 < dbomb> o 01:22 < BleuLlama> heh 01:22 < dbomb> it looked like that was the extension on the voice recording 01:22 * coob watchs davidc turn into noobeating hulk 01:22 < coob> .wav 01:22 < dbomb> ahh, ok 01:23 < dbomb> yeah, I cant get out of the playback 01:23 < coob> when in doubt 01:23 < coob> reset 01:23 < dbomb> same as in apples firmware? 01:24 < rsbeq-cam> yes 01:24 < rsbeq-cam> menu-play 01:24 < dbomb> i know 01:24 < dbomb> just was not sure if it worked in linux 01:25 < rsbeq-cam> And yeah that looping problem is known 01:25 < rsbeq-cam> only 8khz playback works 01:25 < dbomb> ok, so it will always loop? 01:26 < rsbeq-cam> As far as I know; you'll have to just play it back from your computer 01:26 < rsbeq-cam> Until it gets fixe 01:26 -!- carote [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 01:26 < rsbeq-cam> d 01:27 -!- wbniv_ [~wbniv@user-0c6t0a3.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:29 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 01:29 < PusherRobot> hello 01:29 < dbomb> ok, thanks rsbeq-cam 01:29 -!- Exion [~jon@airplane1.suphammer.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:30 < rsbeq-cam> Sure 01:30 < rsbeq-cam> Hi, PusherRobot 01:30 < BleuLlama> are you here to protect me from the Terrible Secret Of Space? 01:30 < PusherRobot> heh 01:30 < PusherRobot> i'm really excited about this project 01:31 < PusherRobot> figured i'd come and see what ya'll are up to. 01:32 < dbomb> PusherRobot: I just installed it :) 01:32 < PusherRobot> i have a 4g :( 01:32 < PusherRobot> i have to wait 01:32 < davidc__> Right now I'm just putting the fires out. 01:32 < dbomb> darn 01:32 < davidc__> [from the last 4g experiment] 01:32 < PusherRobot> heh 01:34 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:35 < PusherRobot> you think there will be more to do with the 4g than the earlier ones when you get it all up to speed? 01:35 < rsbeq-cam> More to do? 01:35 < BleuLlama> more that can be done with it, or more effort to get it all done? 01:36 < PusherRobot> more capability i should say 01:36 < rsbeq-cam> Color? 01:36 < rsbeq-cam> On the photo 01:36 < rsbeq-cam> That was a mindless comment 01:36 < PusherRobot> mine is a photo:) 01:37 < rsbeq-cam> Cool. 01:37 < rsbeq-cam> I've never used one 01:37 < PusherRobot> the photo part is kind of pointless 01:37 < rsbeq-cam> Why did you bother getting a photo then.....? 01:37 < PusherRobot> i like the color screen 01:38 < PusherRobot> larger capacity 01:38 < rsbeq-cam> It has a different font, too, doesn't it? ;) 01:38 < PusherRobot> yes:) 01:38 < coob> drains battery faster too. 01:39 < coob> wish they'd use oled displays 01:39 < PusherRobot> it still has a decent battery life 01:39 < coob> look so much better 01:39 < coob> PusherRobot: there's less work to do than starting from scratch obviously 01:39 < BleuLlama> i'm glad i don;'t have a photo 01:39 < PusherRobot> i was hoping there'd be more application with the photo part of it 01:39 < PusherRobot> maybe using one as a backround 01:39 < coob> for example, for the 4g framebuffer code all i think nils did was change the newfound addresses in the original file 01:40 < rsbeq-cam> Not surprising 01:40 < coob> of course finding those address isn't easy. 01:40 < dbomb> where is the file I need to switch to change splash screens? 01:40 < coob> and there's other dissimilar parts 01:40 < coob> so still a lot of re work required 01:40 < PusherRobot> my only experience in reverse engineering has to do with the video game halo for xbox. 01:41 < davidc__> coob: yeah, for the FB all I had to change was add detection code and the new regs 01:41 < coob> ah you did it :D 01:41 < davidc__> oh, and screensize for minis 01:41 < davidc__> coob: yeah, i ported that one 01:43 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Without a mini? 01:43 < davidc__> eh, we know the screen size 01:43 < davidc__> I don't even have a 4g 01:43 < davidc__> and we know how to detect it 01:44 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 01:45 < rsbeq-cam> Ah 01:45 < dbomb> im guessing you are not planning on getting linux on the iPod shuffle, right? 01:46 < rsbeq-cam> Does anyone theoretically know where I might be able to find a theoretical copy of Virtual PC? 01:46 < rsbeq-cam> dbomb: I don't think it's worth it... 01:46 < rsbeq-cam> Because, really, all the shuffle CAN do is play music 01:46 < dbomb> yeah 01:46 < rsbeq-cam> And store data 01:47 < rsbeq-cam> No screen... even fewer buttons than a normal iPod... 01:47 < dbomb> it would be very pointless 01:47 < rsbeq-cam> I think so 01:48 < rsbeq-cam> Though who knows; maybe someone will come up with some brilliant use and a lot of free time 01:48 -!- wbniv [~wbniv@user-0c6t0e2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:48 < BleuLlama> i personally would love it... a $100 .sid and .mod player? That wouls be awesome 01:48 < chungy> rsbeq-cam: Get Qemu or Bochs if you can't pay 01:48 -!- deevus [hixscript@60-240-30-142-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 01:48 < coob> blewlama: my money's on it having a dsp rather than multi purpose cpu 01:48 < dbomb> what do I have to do to change the boot image? 01:48 < coob> though maybe not 01:48 < rsbeq-cam> chungy: I sort of remember those not being stable at all 01:48 < coob> cos it does play aac 01:48 < coob> and maybe ale 01:48 < BleuLlama> my belkin friend said they're getting a few "shuffle"s this next week, and one of them will be taken apart immediately. 01:49 < coob> dbomb, a lot, there's a forum thread on it, go read. 01:49 < BleuLlama> i'll let you know what's in it 01:49 < chungy> I prefer QEMU, but neither of the emulators were unstable 01:49 < rsbeq-cam> How do you play ale? 01:49 < dbomb> coob: I was looking for one, but I could not find it, ill look again though 01:49 < BleuLlama> coob: understood. you're probably right... 01:49 < BleuLlama> although... 01:49 < dbomb> found it, I think 01:49 < BleuLlama> its usb port isn't regular usb 01:50 < coob> eh 01:50 < BleuLlama> it's got 9 pins on it (!!) 01:50 < coob> weird. 01:50 < rsbeq-cam> chungy: Then I have to find Windows :( 01:50 < BleuLlama> or at least that's what one of the techs thinks they noticed 01:50 < BleuLlama> line out, serial, probably... 01:50 < coob> line out probaby 01:50 < coob> does the dock have line out? 01:51 < coob> the shuffle dock 01:51 < BleuLlama> i don't think so 01:51 < coob> thing that looks like a sex toy 01:51 < coob> k 01:51 < BleuLlama> not that dock. there might be another one in the works... 01:58 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:59 -!- Wammy|LapTop [~osx@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:07 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6191#6191 hmm... 02:08 < rsbeq-cam> Not a bad point 02:08 < rsbeq-cam> But a lame name 02:08 < davidc__> yeah.\ 02:08 < davidc__> I should flame him/her just for the name 02:09 < courtc> haha... 02:09 < davidc__> but I'm too busy right now 02:09 < rsbeq-cam> You should say his/her argument is completely wrong but only give as supporting evidence how much his/her name sucks 02:09 < davidc__> right now I have to beat up a reticinent web-host 02:10 < courtc> rsbeq-cam- good plan.. 02:12 < courtc> "Great things happen when we communicate." sounds like something you'd hear on Mr. Rogers 02:13 < davidc__> haha 02:13 < rsbeq-cam> Haha 02:13 < rsbeq-cam> It's probably true though 02:14 -!- deevus [hixscript@60-240-30-142-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:15 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 02:17 < davidc__> Wammy: you around? 02:19 -!- courtc is now known as AngelPeanut 02:19 < rsbeq-cam> Haha 02:19 -!- AngelDragon [~cheeb@adsl-158-4-81.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:19 < AngelDragon> sup all 02:19 < rsbeq-cam> Is that some sick coincidence? 02:20 < davidc__> hahahhhahhahhahhahahhahhahahha 02:20 < davidc__> it must be 02:20 < davidc__> brb, dinner 02:20 < rsbeq-cam> Way to go, FreeDOS. Default to some whack keyboard mapping 02:22 < rsbeq-cam> azertyuiop^$* qsdfghjklm wxcvbn,;:! 02:22 < rsbeq-cam> Odd. Very odd. 02:22 < rsbeq-cam> Wait 02:22 < rsbeq-cam> That's french 02:22 < rsbeq-cam> Aha 02:23 < rsbeq-cam> Damn you, French Free OS Zoo 02:24 -!- AngelPeanut is now known as courtc 02:26 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 02:26 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by ChanServ 02:28 -!- AngelDragon [~cheeb@adsl-158-4-81.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:30 < chungy> Go to FreeDOS.org 02:30 < chungy> The normal CD has about 5 languages 02:30 < chungy> English, French, Spanish, German, Italian 02:31 < rsbeq-cam> Whoah, where'd you come from 02:31 < rsbeq-cam> I didn't notice you return :) 02:31 < chungy> just a little over yonder 02:31 < rsbeq-cam> Heh 02:32 < rsbeq-cam> I love the whale 02:33 < chungy> it's a fish, not a whale 02:33 < chungy> Because the fish means freedom in some religious belief I have no idea what 02:34 < courtc> haha.. 02:34 < rsbeq-cam> realllly 02:35 < chungy> I have too much spare time 02:35 < PusherRobot> what is the recording interface for podzilla like? 02:36 < rsbeq-cam> Boring 02:36 < courtc> apparently not enough to figure out which religion and what it actually stands for... 02:36 < rsbeq-cam> haha 02:37 < PusherRobot> could i use it to jack into a soundboard and record a show? 02:37 < rsbeq-cam> Hahaha 02:38 < rsbeq-cam> You'll have to try 02:38 < rsbeq-cam> Maybe it will crash 02:38 < PusherRobot> i have to wait for 4g support 02:38 < rsbeq-cam> Ah yes 02:38 < rsbeq-cam> Bother 02:38 < PusherRobot> but i'm hoping for that capability 02:38 < rsbeq-cam> why not use MD or something? 02:38 < PusherRobot> i got one of the new hdmd recorders 02:38 < PusherRobot> but i'd rather only travel with one 02:38 < PusherRobot> and i love my ipod 02:39 < rsbeq-cam> I love your iPod too 02:39 < rsbeq-cam> I think we have a problem here 02:39 < PusherRobot> ? 02:39 < rsbeq-cam> Haha, nevermind 02:39 < rsbeq-cam> What's its name? 02:39 < PusherRobot> TopHat 02:39 < rsbeq-cam> Odd 02:40 < davidc__> Conspicuous! 02:40 < PusherRobot> ? 02:41 < courtc> It not as good as my ipods name... 02:41 < PusherRobot> that is an opinion 02:41 < courtc> no, its a fact 02:41 < rsbeq-cam> What's yours, courtc? 02:41 < courtc> ipod 02:41 < rsbeq-cam> Psh 02:41 < rsbeq-cam> Mine was localhost before, but now it's even better 02:42 < courtc> 127.0.0.1? 02:42 < veteran> no, localhost. 02:42 < courtc> eh? localhost? 02:42 < rsbeq-cam> No 02:43 < rsbeq-cam> I'm trying to figure out how to encode it 02:43 < veteran> . /dev/null? 02:43 < coob> my ipod's name is Lorem Ipsum :< 02:43 < veteran> PusherRobot - the longest i have successfully recorded is 8 minutes before hearing a pop/click 02:43 < courtc> `/dev/urandom` 02:44 < davidc__> call your ipod this: 02:44 < davidc__> 2130706433 02:44 < davidc__> [try pinging that #] 02:44 < davidc__> you'll see my point 02:44 < rsbeq-cam> http://www.books.ru/img/91246.jpg 02:44 < veteran> is that pic from an snl sketch? 02:44 < davidc__> wtf? 02:45 < rsbeq-cam> I guess it looks just like PECTOPAH 02:45 < rsbeq-cam> veteran: no 02:45 < dbomb> what sizes to pics need to be to work on linux 02:46 < dbomb> 128x? 02:46 < rsbeq-cam> ...work? 02:46 < dbomb> show up correctly 02:46 < rsbeq-cam> Correctly? 02:46 < dbomb> fit on the screen 02:46 < rsbeq-cam> ...oh 02:46 < dbomb> :P 02:46 < davidc__> brb 02:46 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 02:46 < rsbeq-cam> Here, want a better imageviewer? 02:47 < courtc> 160x128 02:47 < dbomb> thanks 02:47 < rsbeq-cam> Ruining all the fun, courtc 02:48 < courtc> haha 02:48 < dbomb> hehe 02:48 < rsbeq-cam> I was going to send him the nosmoothzoom version 02:48 < courtc> you havent even sent me that.. :p 02:48 < rsbeq-cam> Oh 02:49 < rsbeq-cam> That's because it's kind of broken still because I got sick of it and started something else 02:49 < rsbeq-cam> I'll go back to it 02:49 < courtc> well, unbreak it ;) 02:50 < rsbeq-cam> Okay, I'll pretend smoothzoom is for the unknown future 02:50 < rsbeq-cam> and i'll get crappyzoom to work just right 02:50 < rsbeq-cam> How's that? 02:51 < courtc> sounds good 02:51 < coob> hah that guitar tuner for iPL sounds cool 02:51 < coob> if i had a guitar i'd have a go at coding it. 02:52 < rsbeq-cam> You could make the metronome 02:52 < coob> i could 02:52 < coob> if i had ipl running on my ipod. 02:53 < BleuLlama> tap the action button to set the tempo 02:53 < coob> BleuLlama: nah use the wheel 02:53 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, it doesn't work? 02:53 < courtc> or have a tempo dial 02:53 < rsbeq-cam> OR BOTH 02:53 < coob> rsbeq-cam: 4g 02:53 < rsbeq-cam> oops 02:53 < BleuLlama> yeah. both. 02:54 < veteran> i'm still waiting for a port of SONAR to the ipod 02:54 < rsbeq-cam> SONAR? 02:54 < coob> loool 02:54 < veteran> mulitrack audio recording ;) 02:54 < rsbeq-cam> Ah 02:54 < rsbeq-cam> Not the bat thing 02:54 < rsbeq-cam> /sub 02:54 < veteran> http://www.cakewalk.com/ 02:55 < veteran> oh then doom3 02:55 < rsbeq-cam> even doom2 or so would be nice 02:55 < rsbeq-cam> hell wolfenstein 3d 02:55 < coob> pathways of darkness? 02:55 < coob> that was bungies first fps 02:55 < coob> before marathon 02:55 < rsbeq-cam> unfortunately the buttons lack 02:56 -!- Random [~random@dhcp-0-9-5b-fe-6a-d9.cpe.i-zoom.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:56 < coob> marathon owns, i had all 3 but the cds were fucked, so glad that they made them avliable for download 02:56 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 02:57 -!- strestout1_ [~strestout@nc-65-41-234-190.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"] 02:59 < dbomb> I think osx thinks that the drive I backed up my ipod to, is an ipod 03:00 < rsbeq-cam> how is that possible? 03:00 < dbomb> or mabey, it has an ipod icon, b/c thats what my ipod had 03:00 < rsbeq-cam> You backed up to a _drive_? 03:00 < rsbeq-cam> not an image? 03:00 < dbomb> hard drive 03:00 < dbomb> my main drive is to small 03:00 < rsbeq-cam> A separate partition? 03:00 < coob> lol 03:01 < dbomb> I formatted it 03:01 < rsbeq-cam> Wow 03:01 < dbomb> something happond to it awhile ago, so it would not mount 03:01 < dbomb> formating fixed the problem 03:01 < BleuLlama> i backed up my ipod to a folder yesterday... 03:02 < rsbeq-cam> it's all about dd 03:02 < BleuLlama> nah; no need to use the low level programs when regular apps work just as well 03:03 < rsbeq-cam> Well, are you talking about backing up the firmware partition or the data partition? 03:03 < BleuLlama> the data partition. that's all i need. the firmware can be restored. 03:03 < rsbeq-cam> Oh 03:03 < rsbeq-cam> Isn't the data partition mirrored in your itunes installation? Or do you put lots of other stuff on it too? 03:04 < BleuLlama> i have some regular data files in there, but i also use my ipod in manual mode. it doesn't sync with anything 03:04 < rsbeq-cam> Oh 03:04 < BleuLlama> i only have 20 gig in my laptop... all of my music is on my ipod 03:04 < rsbeq-cam> Interesting 03:04 < dbomb> BleuLlama: yeah, all of my music is on my iPod to 03:05 < rsbeq-cam> Wait, and yet you just backed it up? 03:05 < rsbeq-cam> I can only assume not to your laptop 03:05 < BleuLlama> i lost my ipod database once, due to a faulty firewire cable, i won;t do that again 03:05 < BleuLlama> i've got a few firewire disks with oodles of disk space 03:05 < rsbeq-cam> oh 03:05 < dbomb> well, I only use my iPod for music 03:05 < veteran> oodles! 03:05 < rsbeq-cam> haha 03:05 < rsbeq-cam> good word 03:06 < BleuLlama> mainly for video editing stuff, but also for backups of my laptop and ipod 03:06 < veteran> final cut pro? 03:06 < BleuLlama> Final Cut Express and iMovie (for some effects) 03:06 < BleuLlama> can't afford Pro, sadly 03:07 < veteran> oh well still nice 03:07 < veteran> i'm stuck with premiere 03:07 < BleuLlama> i don't really need everything that pro provides anyway. 03:07 < rsbeq-cam> My only experience with premiere was on a computer so slow that I had to do all seeking based on the audio track 03:07 < veteran> haha! 03:07 < BleuLlama> i used premiere a bit a few years ago.. it was too aggravating and slow. 03:08 < veteran> yeah it was a few years ago 03:08 < veteran> latest versions have finially made it usable 03:08 < veteran> but still nowhere near fcp 03:09 < rsbeq-cam> I should get a firewire drive for backup... 03:09 < rsbeq-cam> how much are they these days? 03:09 < BleuLlama> cheeeeeep 03:09 < BleuLlama> $40 for an enclosure, then what? $100 for a 200 gig drive? 03:09 < BleuLlama> http://www.pricewatch.com 03:10 < BleuLlama> put it together yourself to save money 03:10 < rsbeq-cam> Who makes the best stuff? 03:10 < veteran> yep i have 3, love them 03:10 < BleuLlama> for what? 03:10 < Wammy> hmm 03:10 < Wammy> anyone know why davidc needed me? 03:10 < veteran> Wammy - he wanted webspace, i told him we don't support the internet 03:10 < BleuLlama> just get an oxford chipset in the firewire enclosure... enclosure brand doesn't matter 03:11 < BleuLlama> i personally like IBM/Hitachi drives (the Deskstar 180 i've heard is a really good drive) 03:11 < rsbeq-cam> http://www.pricewatch.com/h/prc.aspx?i=26&a=4569 03:11 < rsbeq-cam> Too cheap? 03:12 < BleuLlama> nice 03:12 < BleuLlama> probably will work fine for you 03:13 < rsbeq-cam> But, really, should it be that cheap? 03:13 < rsbeq-cam> The last hard drive I bought was like 60gb for 200 03:13 < rsbeq-cam> ..like 5 years ago ;) 03:13 < BleuLlama> that price seems right. 03:14 < veteran> haha last i bought was $50 for 36gb 03:14 < veteran> 15000 rpm scsi :D 03:14 < veteran> ebay > pricewatch 03:15 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, it's not powered by the FW cable? 03:15 < BleuLlama> i bought a 32gig back in the day for video editing on my PC (Avid Cinema, Matrox Marvel g200tv) for $315. (IDE) heh 03:15 < wbniv> make sure to get a drive with a 3 yr warranty 03:15 < rsbeq-cam> i hate hard drives 03:15 < BleuLlama> no, the 3.5" drive bays need to be plugged in 03:15 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: That sucks! 03:15 < veteran> BleuLlama - hah, i had an iomega tv adapter for "editing" 03:15 < wbniv> watch out for "white label" rebranded drives which usually only come with 1 yr warranty 03:15 < BleuLlama> you can get a 2.5" enclosure that's bus powered, but you'll spend A LOT more for the disk... and htey max at 100gig right now 03:17 < rsbeq-cam> Hum 03:17 < BleuLlama> i personally don't need to bring the external drives with me (with my laptop) so i'm fine using a wall-powered device 03:18 < rsbeq-cam> True 03:18 < rsbeq-cam> I just hate plugs 03:20 < rsbeq-cam> Well, I'll buy a backup drive someday 03:20 < rsbeq-cam> I could probably safely just use CD-Rs or something 03:21 < rsbeq-cam> Multi-session recording with incremental backups! 03:21 < rsbeq-cam> A pain in the ass to recover from! 03:23 < BleuLlama> when you have 40+ gigs of stuff to backup cds, and even dvds become cumbersome 03:23 < ramp> buy a hdd 03:23 < BleuLlama> I actually jsut bought a 8x dvd-r pioneer drive, in an external firewire enclosure for $150, shipped. :) 03:23 < rsbeq-cam> Hah, I probably only have <100mb of actually immportant stuff 03:24 < BleuLlama> that'll change. ;) 03:24 < rsbeq-cam> Oh wait, I totally forgot about my 5-terabyte SAN 03:24 < rsbeq-cam> My bad, guys!! 03:25 < ramp> blah 03:26 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: When? 03:26 < dbomb> does the ipod always win in pong? 03:26 < rsbeq-cam> I think it's impossible to beat 03:26 < BleuLlama> heh. i dunno. ;) 03:27 < rsbeq-cam> Let's check the AI 03:27 < dbomb> ok, good thing I did not try and beat it :p 03:27 < courtc> haha.. there is noa ai.. 03:27 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: following ball is ai enough 03:27 < BleuLlama> it just puts the paddle where the ball is going. 03:28 < courtc> well it puts the paddle where the ball *s.. 03:28 < rsbeq-cam> "//player AI(not really, just follows the ball)" 03:28 < courtc> *is* 03:28 < rsbeq-cam> We all agree 03:28 < BleuLlama> yep 03:28 < BleuLlama> so.. yes. it always wins then. ;) 03:29 < courtc> no it doesnt.. 03:29 < rsbeq-cam> omg 03:29 < rsbeq-cam> why does pong use arctan 03:29 < BleuLlama> if it's always putting the paddle where the ball is, how can it lose? 03:29 < courtc> rsbeq-cam- thats for capping the maxspeed 03:29 < rsbeq-cam> theta=atan(vball.y/vball.x); 03:29 < rsbeq-cam> vball.x=vmax*cos(theta); 03:29 < rsbeq-cam> vball.y=vmax*sin(theta); 03:29 < rsbeq-cam> why not just 03:30 < rsbeq-cam> ..hm 03:30 < courtc> it has a maxspeed of the computer paddle.. 03:30 -!- kylemarple [~kylemarpl@dormfirewall.cameron.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 03:31 < courtc> so if the ball is going faster than the paddle can.. it loses.. It needs more tweaking 03:31 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:31 < BleuLlama> aaah. 03:31 < BleuLlama> ok. that makes sense. :) 03:31 * BleuLlama afk 03:32 < kylemarple> hey guys, I'm trying to backup my ipod info, but it keeps saying device busy on OS X. any ideas? 03:32 < rsbeq-cam> Close iTunes? 03:32 < kylemarple> still doing it 03:32 < BleuLlama> i don't have a problem doing it with itunes running. 03:32 < BleuLlama> I just use Carbon Copy Cloner to do it... 03:33 < BleuLlama> just back up the entire disk to a folder on another firewire disk 03:33 < rsbeq-cam> What action are you doing exactly to cause the error? 03:33 < rsbeq-cam> kylemarple: Are you backing up the firmware or the data 03:33 < dbomb> what is pong to, ten? 03:33 < kylemarple> firmware 03:34 < kylemarple> dd if=/dev/disk2s3 of=ipodbackup 03:34 < courtc> does: 'fuser -c /mounted/device' work on osx? 03:34 < rsbeq-cam> No 03:34 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:34 < rsbeq-cam> You have to use process inspector/monitor/whateverr 03:34 < rsbeq-cam> It shouldn't be busy on READ though.... 03:35 < rsbeq-cam> Unless something is being really rude 03:35 < courtc> :p fuser rocks.. 03:35 < courtc> dbomb- 11 03:35 < rsbeq-cam> kylemarple: Go to Activity Monitor in Utilities 03:36 < dbomb> courtc: thanks 03:37 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, darn, you can only see what files a program is using 03:37 < rsbeq-cam> not the other way around 03:39 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:39 < Hostile> hrrm I found a bug or something 03:39 < rsbeq-cam> Where!?!?!? 03:40 < Hostile> in linux I go to play my music and for alot of it it says "Cannot open mp3" 03:40 < Hostile> but it works fine in Apple Firmware 03:40 < Hostile> its not a big deal...but I'm just curious 03:40 < rsbeq-cam> What os are you running? 03:40 < Hostile> linux 03:41 < courtc> Hostile- thats a malloc problem with the decoder.. Its being investigated 03:41 < rsbeq-cam> kylemarple: Try lsof | grep /dev/disk2s3 03:41 < rsbeq-cam> Oh 03:41 < rsbeq-cam> Well then, courtc 03:41 < rsbeq-cam> "investigated" ;) 03:41 < Hostile> courtc, alright...let me know if you find anything out about that 03:41 < courtc> you like that? 03:42 < Hostile> like pm me or something 03:42 < courtc> well we know exactly whats causing it.. we just need to redo the mp3 decoding buffer 03:43 < Hostile> I see, well then let me know when thats redone...I wish I new C because I would help ya guys out with this stuff 03:43 < kylemarple> wow. I didn't get in yet, but I think I may have accidently hacked the apple firmware... 03:43 < Hostile> kylemarple, define hacked 03:44 < rsbeq-cam> What is that supposed to mean? 03:44 < rsbeq-cam> haha 03:44 < courtc> haha.. 03:44 < kylemarple> BoardHwName: iPod Q21 03:44 < kylemarple> pszSerialNumber: JQ442KNFPS9 03:44 < kylemarple> ModelNumStr: M9282 03:44 < kylemarple> FirewireGuid: 0x000A270002A29185 03:44 < kylemarple> HddFirmwareRev: JD100B 03:44 < kylemarple> RegionCode: LL(0x0001) 03:44 < kylemarple> PolicyFlags: 0x00000000 03:44 < kylemarple> buildID: 0x03028000 (3.0.2) 03:44 < kylemarple> visibleBuildID: 0x03028000 (3.0.2) 03:44 < kylemarple> boardHwRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) 03:44 < kylemarple> boardHwSwInterfaceRev: 0x00050013 (0.0.5 19) 03:44 < kylemarple> bootLoaderImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) 03:44 < kylemarple> diskModeImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) 03:44 < kylemarple> diagImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) 03:44 < kylemarple> osImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) 03:44 < kylemarple> iPodFamily: 0x00000004 03:44 < kylemarple> updaterFamily: 0x00000004 03:44 < kylemarple> that mean anything? 03:44 < rsbeq-cam> omg pwn3d!!! 03:44 < Hostile> intresting...where did you get that stuff? 03:44 < courtc> Ahh.. I'm Drowning 03:44 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah you broke into the FBI 03:45 < kylemarple> I 'copied' my iPod to my desktop, then I went in through the terminal and messed around 03:45 < Hostile> kylemarple, nice 03:45 < kylemarple> bunch o hidden files in there. don't show up normally 03:45 < courtc> well, that solves all our problems ;) 03:46 < kylemarple> lol. sarcasm isn't nice 03:46 < courtc> why the hell are you in #ipodlinux then ? :p 03:46 < Hostile> alright thanks courtc you answered my question :) 03:46 < rsbeq-cam> iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo 03:46 < kylemarple> yeah 03:47 < rsbeq-cam> ;) 03:47 < Hostile> that shows up in linux 03:47 < Hostile> when I mount it 03:47 < rsbeq-cam> Does anyone actually use expose? 03:47 < Hostile> whoa...another bug 03:48 < rsbeq-cam> Except maybe show-desktop 03:48 < rsbeq-cam> What, Hostile ? 03:48 < Hostile> When I click reboot iPod in the podzilla menu...it just shuts it down 03:48 < Hostile> it never rebooted 03:48 < Hostile> hey kylemarple #ipodlinuxflood 03:48 < rsbeq-cam> Um 03:50 < courtc> Hostile- the ipod doesnt shutdown... 03:50 < courtc> thats no bug.. 03:50 < rsbeq-cam> What? 03:50 < rsbeq-cam> It should reboot 03:50 < Hostile> well the apple never comes up 03:50 < courtc> It does reboot.. 03:50 < Hostile> the screen goes blank then I have to hold Menu and play 03:51 < rsbeq-cam> How long did you wait? 03:52 < Hostile> like 15 secs 03:52 < Hostile> let me try it again 03:52 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 03:52 < courtc> testing... cant reproduce 03:53 < Hostile> hrrm it worked fine that time 03:53 < Hostile> I got the apple logo right away 03:53 < Hostile> odd. 03:54 < rsbeq-cam> Hallucinations, I'm sure 03:54 < Hostile> right.. 03:54 < Hostile> alright, I'm going back downstairs, cya guys 03:55 -!- ramp is now known as wintermute 03:55 < rsbeq-cam> That name sounds familiar 03:56 -!- wintermute is now known as ramp 03:56 < rsbeq-cam> Odd 03:57 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:57 -!- poacher [~asfd@adsl8-189.simnet.is] has joined #ipodlinux 03:58 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 03:58 < kylemarple> anyway, with the trouble you guys are having getting iPods to work on, have you tried the free ipod sites? I got mine through one for a total of 10 bucks 03:59 < rsbeq-cam> Isn't it a referral thing 03:59 < rsbeq-cam> _Nearly_ a pyramid scheme? 03:59 < BleuLlama> yep 04:00 < kylemarple> yeah, but you could probably post your referral link on the main site, call it helping the cause and get them in aday 04:00 < kylemarple> a day 04:00 < chungy> it is a pyramid with barely any disguise 04:00 < kylemarple> but it works, and its legal 04:00 < courtc> What? Is someone talking about free ipods again? Havent they heard about what happen to the last guy to mention 'free ipods' 04:00 < rsbeq-cam> hah 04:00 < chungy> Technically, it's not legal. Due to the pyramid scheme 04:00 < kylemarple> actually, its an advertising thing. they make money from ad revenue not you 04:01 < rsbeq-cam> No, tell us 04:01 < kylemarple> ? 04:01 < kylemarple> tell us 04:01 < courtc> davidc__ happened.. It was rather bloody 04:01 < kylemarple> lol. I met him the other day. fun person 04:02 < kylemarple> but seriously, I'm sitting a foot from an ipod I paid 10 bucks for. you guys SHOULD look into it, ethical or not 04:02 < courtc> Dammit... no 04:02 < rsbeq-cam> I paid 70 for mine 04:02 < rsbeq-cam> Only reason I have one 04:02 * kylemarple waves hand 04:02 < BleuLlama> they have zero obligation to send you anything. read the fine print 04:02 < kylemarple> give in to the dark side 04:03 < chungy> I paid $300 for mine. :( 04:03 < kylemarple> but they do. its how they make money 04:03 < chungy> Yeah... Anakin Skywalker went into the dark side and came back. :P 04:04 < BleuLlama> no; they make their money by selling you stuff (and the people you get to refer) and then they turn around and sell all of your information to other people. no thanks. 04:04 < kylemarple> lol 04:04 < kylemarple> I have yet to receive any spam, and my offer was a free one 04:04 < kylemarple> I paid the 10 bucks to a site to host my referral linki 04:05 < chungy> I was tempted earlier today by someone. He gave me a referal link to some free Mac mini site. 04:05 < kylemarple> ooh. Have one of those too 04:05 < kylemarple> and a photo ipod one 04:05 * kylemarple is an addict 04:05 < courtc> any sentence with the words 'free ipod' makes me wanna puke.. 04:05 < chungy> Actually, I'm still debating weather to go ahead with it. Right now, I'm leaning towards "no" 04:05 < chungy> I want a free iPod 04:06 < courtc> strike one! ... ... ... 04:06 < kylemarple> ? 04:06 < rsbeq-cam> weather. 04:06 < kylemarple> lol 04:06 < rsbeq-cam> get your free ipod linux here 04:06 * BleuLlama grabs a bag of popcorn and sits back in his couch 04:06 < kylemarple> Gee, the weather is really free ipod today 04:07 < rsbeq-cam> I know what you mean, though, courtc 04:07 -!- kylemarple was kicked from #ipodlinux by courtc [courtc] 04:07 < chungy> whether. Something 04:07 -!- kylemarple [~kylemarpl@dormfirewall.cameron.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 04:08 < kylemarple> har har 04:08 < courtc> I guess I didnt mention there where only two strikes... 04:08 < courtc> uh.. *were 04:09 < courtc> hey, you were the one trying to make me yack.. 04:11 < kylemarple> lol. the ironic thing about it is while I'm in no way affiliated with the 'site which must not be named', I'm planning to start my own in about 3 days 04:11 < kylemarple> lol 04:12 < courtc> *ugh 04:13 < rsbeq-cam> why? 04:13 < kylemarple> ... 04:13 < kylemarple> money? 04:14 < rsbeq-cam> Holy shit. 04:14 * kylemarple prepares to be blasted 04:14 < rsbeq-cam> I did not know there was a Cameron University 04:14 < kylemarple> lol. did a whois? 04:14 < rsbeq-cam> Certainly 04:14 * rsbeq-cam eron 04:15 < BleuLlama> When cameron was in egypt's land... let my cameron goooooo... 04:15 < courtc> no need for a whois ~kylemarpl@dormfirewall.cameron.edu 04:15 < kylemarple> yes, I'm in the dorms with all my electronic wonderfulness 04:15 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 04:16 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ipodlinux [] 04:20 < kylemarple> meh. I hope I don't have class tomorrow, being MLK day. I guess I'll just show up and hope 04:20 < rsbeq-cam> You sound like a major slacker 04:21 < kylemarple> lol. Actually, I went in with 28 hours, I'm in my second semester and already upper division, etc. I'm just lazy 04:21 < kylemarple> really, really lazy 04:21 < Hostile> kylemarple, you used freeipods.com? 04:22 < kylemarple> yeah 04:22 < Hostile> but how did you get those referrals? 04:22 < kylemarple> the 10 dollars I mentioned I paid to www.freeipodguide.com 04:22 < kylemarple> they hosted my link, got them all in one day 04:22 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["download+untar+compile+install X-Chat 2.4.1"] 04:22 < kylemarple> 2 months later, got my iPod 04:23 < Hostile> what does freeipodguide.com do? 04:23 < kylemarple> they host your link, people wanting to sign up click the link on their site, and you get referred 04:24 < rsbeq-cam> 2 months?! 04:24 < kylemarple> much faster now 04:24 < Hostile> hrrm kylemarple so what do I do first? 04:24 < rsbeq-cam> how do you know? 04:25 < rsbeq-cam> DARK SIDE 04:25 < kylemarple> i have a friend did it. His went to shipped in 2 days, he's expecting it tomorrow. only took 2 weeks 04:26 < kylemarple> hostile: go to freeipods.com and sign up, of course. that's it. no referral link or anything, since I've got mine already 04:26 < rsbeq-cam> Why not sign up through -guide.com thuogh? 04:27 < kylemarple> you can, I suppose. I'm just used to using the site directly 04:27 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 04:27 < kylemarple> you help them out if you use their link 04:27 < rsbeq-cam> of course 04:27 < rsbeq-cam> doesn't hurt to help 04:29 < kylemarple> honestly, if I were you, hostile, I would go freephotoipods.com though. 5 more referrals, but its a photo 04:30 < kylemarple> of course from the linux standpoint, it will be even longer before its supported :( 04:30 < chungy> just shut up. Isn't it obvious that people here don't want to submit to privacy-invading pyramid schemes? 04:30 < kylemarple> chungy: I had shut up: he asked me 04:31 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:32 < kylemarple> anyway, its 1030 here, so I'm going to bed 04:32 < kylemarple> nite all 04:32 -!- kylemarple [~kylemarpl@dormfirewall.cameron.edu] has quit ["bed"] 04:32 < rsbeq-cam> Strange, strange, strange. 04:32 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 04:36 < Hostile> heh 04:39 -!- poacher [~asfd@adsl8-189.simnet.is] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:40 < veteran> anyone want to register freelinuxipods.com? 04:40 < rsbeq-cam> haha 04:41 < BleuLlama> heh 04:41 < rsbeq-cam> I nominate veteran 04:42 < veteran> uh no thanks i've already registered my share of domains 04:42 < Wammy> veteran: we need sys-techs.org 04:42 < Wammy> :) 04:42 < Wammy> and .info 04:42 < Wammy> and .us 04:42 < Wammy> and .nl 04:42 < Wammy> and .tw 04:42 < veteran> someone kick this guy 04:43 < Wammy> and so on 04:43 < Wammy> :) 04:43 < Wammy> IOH! and .com.mx 04:43 < veteran> haha well if we can't conquer the world 04:43 < veteran> we can at least buy all of the world's domain names 04:43 < Wammy> YHES! 04:43 < Wammy> ahahhahahahahah! 04:43 < courtc> hmm... 04:44 < Wammy> veteran: my damn VPN setup isnt working 04:44 < Wammy> and my CPU TEMP alarm went off at 158F 04:44 < veteran> #vpn 04:45 < Wammy> heh 04:46 < Wammy> veteran: lets not support any NEW CS servers ok? 04:46 * Wammy doesnt like CS 04:46 < Wammy> there is always problems with it 04:47 < courtc> #sys-techs 04:47 < Wammy> o.0 04:47 < Wammy> courtc: how would i make a program that made a 'beep' sound? 04:47 < Wammy> as simple as it could posibly get 04:49 < courtc> on the ipod? 04:49 < Wammy> on x86 04:49 < rsbeq-cam> piezo or headphone? 04:49 < rsbeq-cam> oops 04:49 < courtc> cat beep_sound > /dev/dsp 04:49 < rsbeq-cam> i didn't pay any attention 04:51 < Wammy> courtc: like i meant in C 04:51 < Wammy> lol 04:51 -!- wbniv [~wbniv@user-0c6t0e2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:52 < rsbeq-cam> Could you do, like while true; echo 256 > /dev/dsp; done and get a square wave? 04:52 < rsbeq-cam> Wammy: Still just sending stuff out /dev/dsp from C 04:52 < rsbeq-cam> Unless you want to use some sound library or daemon 04:53 < courtc> Wammy: http://www.guerrilla.net/reference/dsp/prog_dsp.htm 04:53 < rsbeq-cam> courtc-- google masta 04:53 < courtc> damn right 04:54 < courtc> first site for '/dev/dsp' 04:54 < BleuLlama> i hate when i'm working on a project, an obscure problem, and i google for help, and the top pages are my own pages. :( 04:54 < courtc> haha 04:55 < rsbeq-cam> haha 04:55 < rsbeq-cam> i've never had that happen 04:55 < rsbeq-cam> wait that's because I don't put anything on the internet 04:55 < courtc> ditto 04:55 < rsbeq-cam> Why is there rsbeq in my name? 04:55 < veteran> whenever i can't remember my credit card number i just use google 04:56 < rsbeq-cam> hahaha 04:56 < BleuLlama> i put lots of notes and research and such on the net... horded knowledge is useless knowledge. 04:56 < veteran> they've indexed _everything_ 04:56 < rsbeq-cam> Very true, BleuLlama 04:58 -!- kernel_dan [~chatzilla@c-24-21-110-45.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041227]"] 04:59 < courtc> horded knowledge is useless knowledge... to everyone else ;) 04:59 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: For that arctan, thing... since it's calculating the length of the hypotenuse, can't it just be: 04:59 < BleuLlama> why not just use a lookup table? 04:59 < rsbeq-cam> vball.x /= hyp / vmax ? 05:00 < courtc> sorry... I dont f'ing know or care right now.. I'll look at it later.. 05:00 < rsbeq-cam> Hahaha 05:00 < BleuLlama> :) 05:00 < rsbeq-cam> Happy birthday 05:01 < rsbeq-cam> Don't even worry about it 05:01 < rsbeq-cam> It's not like pong is lagging 05:01 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, you wrote it. Sorry. 05:02 < courtc> I'm not actually sure it even anything at all... 05:02 < rsbeq-cam> Huh? 05:02 < courtc> even *does* anything 05:02 < rsbeq-cam> what does? 05:02 < rsbeq-cam> You mean speed improvement-wise? 05:03 < courtc> the speed limiter.. 05:03 < rsbeq-cam> Oh 05:03 < rsbeq-cam> Haha 05:03 < courtc> I never tweaked it.. 05:03 < rsbeq-cam> Well, does it get invoked? 05:03 < courtc> yea.. but it might be set too high to matter 05:04 < rsbeq-cam> Ah 05:04 < rsbeq-cam> Always good to have in though 05:04 < rsbeq-cam> If it's an if statement being called each time it's probably better to compare the squares instead of taking the square roots 05:04 < rsbeq-cam> But let's stop 05:04 < rsbeq-cam> If it ain't broke! 05:05 < courtc> I need to go back through it anyway... 05:05 < courtc> the ball angle/speed adjustment when coming off the paddle is wrong.. 05:05 < veteran> and needs levels ;) 05:06 < rsbeq-cam> Oh 05:06 < courtc> I need to redo the ball drawing also.. 05:06 < rsbeq-cam> The ball should speed up over time 05:06 < veteran> make the cabal secret handshake a cheat code 05:06 < rsbeq-cam> GR_POINT breakfast[] ? :) 05:06 < courtc> rsbeq-cam- it does.. but only on the y axis 05:06 < rsbeq-cam> Nice variable name 05:07 < courtc> you like that? i must have been hungry 05:07 < rsbeq-cam> hahaha 05:07 < veteran> he's been waiting for many months now to make that joke 05:08 < rsbeq-cam> Probably 05:08 < rsbeq-cam> "when will someone notice .... when...." 05:08 < courtc> hahahaha.. 05:08 < rsbeq-cam> How will you update drawing code? 05:08 < rsbeq-cam> You could render the poly just once to a pixmap.. 05:08 < rsbeq-cam> but i don't think it really matters 05:09 < courtc> well the ball gets draw, than the position updated, then the old ball pos gets erased, goto 10 05:09 -!- jaspers [daghgsa@69-203-125-55.nyc.rr.com] has quit [] 05:09 < courtc> I'd like it to be one draw rather than an erase then a draw.. 05:10 < rsbeq-cam> Why did you do it that way before? 05:10 < rsbeq-cam> speed? 05:10 < rsbeq-cam> Mm, you could make a trail 05:11 < courtc> well its hard to do it in one draw without screen flashing somewhere.. 05:12 < veteran> there is a trail kind-of 05:12 < veteran> slow lcd response time 05:12 < rsbeq-cam> heh 05:12 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: Ah, again, you could doublebuffer with a pixmap 05:12 < veteran> http://ipodlinux.org/Image:Ipod_pong.jpg 05:12 < rsbeq-cam> I dunno how well that wroks though 05:13 < veteran> more memory usage 05:13 < courtc> rsbeq-cam- you'd have to buffer the whole scren :p 05:13 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, that's plenty of trail 05:13 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah, and? 05:13 < courtc> well.. I dunno 05:14 < rsbeq-cam> Can't be much RAM 05:14 < veteran> oh yeah full screen would be more major 05:14 < veteran> good ol' podzilla 05:14 < rsbeq-cam> more major? 05:14 < courtc> what do you guys think about using one gc for most of podzilla? 05:14 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:14 < rsbeq-cam> Umm 05:14 < rsbeq-cam> No! 05:14 < courtc> why? 05:15 < rsbeq-cam> Subwindows? 05:15 < courtc> ... 05:15 < veteran> gc? 05:15 < veteran> "no googling" is in the topic 05:15 < rsbeq-cam> Say you called new-message_window() 05:15 < courtc> graphics context 05:15 < rsbeq-cam> and it messed with the gc 05:15 < rsbeq-cam> then returned 05:15 < rsbeq-cam> you'd have to reset it 05:15 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 05:15 < rsbeq-cam> that shouldn't be your business 05:16 < rsbeq-cam> I just think people should free it when they're done 05:16 < rsbeq-cam> Which no one is doing 05:16 < BleuLlama> there should also be a central event valve mechanism, instead of each app looking for 'r' and 'l' and such. (app = sub program) 05:16 < rsbeq-cam> Uh 05:16 < rsbeq-cam> What do you mean? 05:16 < courtc> what about copying the gc? 05:16 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: Why wouldn't you just make a new one? That makes no sense 05:17 < rsbeq-cam> same space 05:17 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: What would you ever get out of that? How would it work? callbacks? 05:17 < courtc> say you want to change the font of podzilla.. thats a per gc thing 05:18 < rsbeq-cam> Well 05:18 < rsbeq-cam> There could be one global GC 05:18 < BleuLlama> instead of registering your own event callback to mircrowindows, you register a callback to the podzilla core. That way you could have default handlers for things like "menu", could exit the running "app", or "hold" could suppress events, trying to minimize code re-usage 05:18 < rsbeq-cam> For text or 'standard stuff' 05:18 < BleuLlama> er re-writing 05:18 < rsbeq-cam> i don't think gc's are very big 05:18 < rsbeq-cam> just structs 05:19 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: Well, it could also just be that, if that seemingly unused ret-code is 0, podzilla will use default handlers 05:20 < rsbeq-cam> Podzilla does process events before the apps do I think 05:20 < BleuLlama> not in the current code. when you create a window, you register your own event callback function. 05:20 < veteran> podzilla and the apps were forced into marriage 05:20 * dbomb just noticed that voice memos made in linux, will play fine in the apple firmware 05:21 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:21 < rsbeq-cam> dbomb: As expected 05:22 < dbomb> I am surprised that it sounds that good, since I used for headphones 05:22 < dbomb> s/for/me 05:23 < courtc> the 'Global gc' would have to remain unchanged.. e.g. ro 05:24 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: pz.c handles all the events coming out from mw and calls each window's functions 05:25 < rsbeq-cam> windows[i].keystroke(event) == 1 etc 05:25 < rsbeq-cam> so Podzilla handles all events before calling each app's callbacks 05:25 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: Yes, built from prefs or something 05:26 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: But we really ought to just wrap functions like text so there can be localization and I don't know what 05:28 < courtc> ok, _you_ work on that ;) 05:28 < rsbeq-cam> Haha 05:28 < rsbeq-cam> I have so much else to do but it sounds interesting 05:28 < rsbeq-cam> I want to get unicode to work :\ 05:29 < courtc> unicode _does_ work.. 05:29 < rsbeq-cam> But the PMU and smooth-zooming are more important probably 05:29 < rsbeq-cam> Well, we certainly don't have the fonts 05:29 < courtc> I do 05:29 < rsbeq-cam> Seriously? 05:29 < rsbeq-cam> Does your PZ display everything? 05:29 < rsbeq-cam> ... unicode fonts are huge! 05:30 < courtc> all thats needed is a bdf unicode font... 05:30 < courtc> I've got a font browser 05:30 < rsbeq-cam> Font browser? 05:30 < rsbeq-cam> In podzilla? 05:30 < courtc> yup 05:30 < rsbeq-cam> Since when? ! 05:30 -!- jbizzle [jbizzle@cs6710187-4.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 05:31 < courtc> Well I finished most of it yesterday.. 05:31 < rsbeq-cam> Neat 05:31 < rsbeq-cam> No hiding features 05:32 < courtc> well its not easy to distribute, you need fonts and a font config file also.. 05:32 < rsbeq-cam> font config? 05:32 < courtc> yea, its made up of lines like: 05:32 < courtc> [bmbia.fnt] (Bianca) <12> 05:32 < rsbeq-cam> Generate by what? 05:32 < rsbeq-cam> hand? 05:33 < courtc> so far.. 05:33 < rsbeq-cam> heh 05:33 < rsbeq-cam> That's a funny format :) 05:33 < rsbeq-cam> Why not TSV? 05:33 < courtc> It wouldnt be hard to make a script.. 05:34 < courtc> tabbs should always be optional 05:34 -!- jbizzle [jbizzle@cs6710187-4.houston.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 05:35 < courtc> *SV would be silly.. I intend to include multiple font sizes also.. 05:35 < courtc> besides, now you can put ,'s in your filename ;) 05:36 < rsbeq-cam> Hehe 05:36 < rsbeq-cam> But not ]s? ;) 05:36 < courtc> thats right.. 05:36 < rsbeq-cam> lol 05:36 < rsbeq-cam> did you use fscanf? 05:36 < courtc> fgets 05:36 < rsbeq-cam> and then what? 05:36 < rsbeq-cam> to split it up 05:37 < rsbeq-cam> regex would be mad handy there 05:37 < courtc> #ipodlinuxflood 05:38 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.4] has joined #ipodlinux 05:38 < EvilDude> hey people 05:39 < nusse> is there any mailinglist to follow development? 05:39 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 05:39 < EvilDude> i think its just the forums + wiki 05:40 < courtc> hey EvilDude 05:41 < EvilDude> hey courtc!!! i need your help :P 05:41 < EvilDude> oh wait you dont have a connection to your pod do you =\ 05:41 < courtc> haha.. no 05:41 < courtc> whadda need? 05:41 < EvilDude> damn it lol 05:41 < EvilDude> I need someone to compile my podzilla 05:41 < Hostile> compiling podzilla looks like a pain in the ass 05:42 < EvilDude> i added the multizilla thing into latest cvs and then added my song queueing thing 05:42 < EvilDude> Its easy as once you get everything set up 05:42 < EvilDude> if i was at home, i'd just cd to the podzilla dir, and make IPOD=1 05:42 < EvilDude> done 05:42 < courtc> I can make it... 05:42 < courtc> But if it sucks.. 05:42 < courtc> I cant test 05:42 < rsbeq-cam> i can 05:42 < rsbeq-cam> wait, multizilla is cvs now?? 05:43 < EvilDude> no no 05:43 < EvilDude> I got cvs 05:43 < rsbeq-cam> oh 05:43 < EvilDude> and then added / improved multizilla patch 05:43 < rsbeq-cam> lol 05:43 < rsbeq-cam> does it actually work? ;) 05:43 < EvilDude> i know multizilla works 05:43 < Hostile> I couldn't get the arm-elf compiler to work here 05:43 < EvilDude> i wrote / tested that :p 05:43 < rsbeq-cam> Is it slow though? 05:43 < EvilDude> Just have no idea if my song queuing thing works 05:43 < rsbeq-cam> oh 05:43 < Hostile> EvilDude, if you help me with that I would be glad to help ya out 05:44 < rsbeq-cam> I can test it 05:44 < EvilDude> I can play music, but pressing/making podzilla do anything while playing 192 kbps is too slow 05:44 < EvilDude> oo cool 05:44 < EvilDude> wait a sec 05:44 < Hostile> I wanna test it too 05:44 < EvilDude> hostile i'll help you too 05:44 < EvilDude> but will be back in 10 min 05:44 < EvilDude> whats wrong with your thing anyway hostile? 05:45 < Hostile> the arm-elf compile is br0ked 05:45 -!- Synapse-_ [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 05:45 < rsbeq-cam> how? 05:45 < EvilDude> ok well i'll be back in 10 min 05:45 < EvilDude> thanks both of you, finally someone to test :D 05:45 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.4] has quit [] 05:46 < rsbeq-cam> or so he thinks 05:46 < rsbeq-cam> quick, Hostile, let's scheme 05:46 < courtc> haha.. 05:47 < Hostile> lol 05:47 < rsbeq-cam> Noooooo, why isn't Stickies applescriptable 05:48 < Hostile> uclinux site is sooo slow 05:48 < Hostile> to download from 05:55 < Hostile> 5. Set up the iPod microwindows config. Note if you are building the X11 version use config.ipod_x11. 05:55 < Hostile> % cd microwindows/src/ 05:55 < Hostile> % cp Configs/config.ipod config 05:55 -!- PusherRobot [~tophat@ip68-0-47-146.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:55 < Hostile> there is no config.ipod 05:55 < rsbeq-cam> Hm? 05:55 < rsbeq-cam> Did you patch? 05:55 < Hostile> no the wiki never said that 05:55 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:56 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 05:56 < veteran> @#$% iron 05:56 < rsbeq-cam> yeah it does 05:56 < veteran> whenever i turn on my iron it resets the cable modem... i need new electrical 05:56 < rsbeq-cam> http://ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla 05:56 < rsbeq-cam> See where it says "Check out the microwindows changes from CVS" 05:56 < Hostile> rsbeq-cam, thats where I'm at 05:56 < rsbeq-cam> did you check out and cp? 05:57 < Hostile> yep 05:57 < rsbeq-cam> hum 05:59 < rsbeq-cam> Are you sure? 05:59 < rsbeq-cam> :) 05:59 < rsbeq-cam> Sorry, that's my best suggestions 06:00 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.106] has joined #ipodlinux 06:00 < EvilDude> ok i'm back 06:00 < EvilDude> so hostile have you figured what's wrong with your install? 06:01 -!- Synapse- [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:01 < Hostile> hrrm 06:02 < Hostile> rsbeq-cam, I edited the config 06:02 < Hostile> but where do I type make at? 06:02 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, you found the file? 06:02 < rsbeq-cam> Just in the microwindows dir 06:02 < Hostile> yea 06:02 < Hostile> no makefile 06:02 < Hostile> [lanteau@darkstar Configs]$ pwd 06:02 < Hostile> /home/lanteau/ipodlinux/microwindows/microwindows/src/Configs 06:02 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit ["—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515"] 06:02 < rsbeq-cam> Why 2 layers of microwindows? 06:03 < rsbeq-cam> you should cd .. 06:03 < Hostile> thats what the command on the wiki did 06:03 < Hostile> still no makefile 06:03 < Hostile> [lanteau@darkstar microwindows]$ pwd 06:03 < Hostile> /home/lanteau/ipodlinux/microwindows 06:05 < rsbeq-cam> I still don't see how you got microwindows/microwindows 06:05 < EvilDude> just mv the microwindows down a little? 06:05 < Hostile> nvm I got it 06:05 < rsbeq-cam> heh 06:05 < rsbeq-cam> ok 06:09 < Hostile> EvilDude, ok I got everything now Im to the podzilla section 06:09 < Hostile> so thats where you come in right? 06:10 < EvilDude> no no just do the normal stuff first 06:10 < EvilDude> and you can build my version later 06:10 < Hostile> k 06:10 < EvilDude> first get how to build podzilla normally 06:10 < Hostile> EvilDude, ok im done 06:11 < Hostile> so what exactly does yours do differently? 06:11 < EvilDude> well see my podzilla allows you to play songs while doing anything else, and also now has song queueing suppoer 06:11 < Hostile> tight! 06:11 < Hostile> EvilDude, ok how do I use yours? 06:11 < rsbeq-cam> and makes everything slow as anything 06:11 < rsbeq-cam> but that's not his fault 06:12 < Hostile> lol 06:12 < EvilDude> lol actually everything isnt too bad 06:12 < EvilDude> just that music stutters a little when you press something :p 06:12 < Hostile> alright alright gimme the instructions 06:12 < EvilDude> the actual speed when not doing anything is fine :D 06:13 < EvilDude> lol wait, i sent my code to rsbeq-cam so if it actually works i'll send you it 06:13 < Hostile> k 06:13 < EvilDude> i'll probably have to modify a few things here and there seeing i wrote all the code there without a gcc compiler :p 06:15 < EvilDude> hostile: were you able to compile podzilla successfully and test it on ipod and it works? 06:16 < Hostile> EvilDude, haven't tested it...I can right now 06:16 < EvilDude> ah if it compiles its good 06:18 < Hostile> linux is booting now 06:18 < Hostile> yep works like a beaut 06:19 < EvilDude> cool 06:20 < EvilDude> hmm i'll send you the code as well hostile, for some reason it hasn't reached rsbeq-cam yet 06:20 < EvilDude> whats your email? 06:20 -!- carote [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:21 < Hostile> lanteau@gmail.com 06:21 < EvilDude> wow everyones at gmail these days :D 06:22 < EvilDude> shoulda said whats your gmail :p 06:22 < Hostile> I love my gmail 06:22 < rsbeq-cam> invite overload 06:22 < rsbeq-cam> haha 06:22 < EvilDude> hehe yeah 06:22 < EvilDude> I stil have 5 and i've invited like 20 friends by now 06:22 < Hostile> I have 6 06:23 < Hostile> right after I celebrate about getting rid of them all I get more 06:23 < EvilDude> haha 06:23 < EvilDude> i keep emergency invites rofl 06:23 < Hostile> EvilDude, I got the email 06:24 < EvilDude> cool 06:24 < EvilDude> try to compile and tell me the errors :D 06:25 < Hostile> EvilDude, #ipodlinuxflood 06:25 < EvilDude> hahaha ok 06:38 -!- DaRkEsTLiTe [~DaRkEsT@adsl-68-126-178-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:38 < DaRkEsTLiTe> hey can someone help me? 06:38 < EvilDude> with what? 06:38 < DaRkEsTLiTe> my ipod 06:39 < EvilDude> whats wrong, what gen etc 06:40 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i installed the linux, but now a whole bunch of worrds and stuff are on screen. Exp: Command: mknod /dev/ttyp1 c 3 0 is the first two lines 06:40 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i cant turn it off either 06:40 < EvilDude> menu + play to rest on 3G 06:40 < DaRkEsTLiTe> Generation 2, touch wheel is my ipod 06:40 < rsbeq-cam> That's normal 06:40 < rsbeq-cam> Of course those come up 06:40 < DaRkEsTLiTe> it isnt doing anything though 06:41 < rsbeq-cam> Did you put podzilla in the /etc/rc file? 06:41 < DaRkEsTLiTe> no =/ 06:41 < rsbeq-cam> Sorry 06:41 < rsbeq-cam> /etc/inittab 06:41 < DaRkEsTLiTe> no 06:41 < DaRkEsTLiTe> but, i cant update or turn it off 06:41 < DaRkEsTLiTe> if i plug in firewire, nothing happened 06:42 < DaRkEsTLiTe> if i try to turn off, nothing happens 06:42 < EvilDude> have you done the reset combination 06:43 < DaRkEsTLiTe> menue plus play? 06:43 < DaRkEsTLiTe> yes 06:43 < EvilDude> hold it down 06:43 < EvilDude> for about 10 seconds 06:43 < EvilDude> and it'll reset 06:44 < DaRkEsTLiTe> finally 06:44 < DaRkEsTLiTe> thanks 06:44 -!- lanteau_ [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 06:44 < DaRkEsTLiTe> but, it comes up again 06:44 < DaRkEsTLiTe> and freezes again like that 06:44 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:44 < DaRkEsTLiTe> how do i do this? 06:44 < DaRkEsTLiTe> Did you put podzilla in the /etc/rc file? 06:44 < lanteau_> EvilDude, you have to chmod that mp3.c 06:45 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:45 < EvilDude> ok 06:45 < lanteau_> EvilDude, probably 744 06:46 < EvilDude> everyone can read now 06:47 -!- wang [~blaaa@202-137-106-137.adsl.usertools.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:47 < rsbeq-cam> Fixes for /etc/inittab. Replace /Volumes/iPod/etc/inittab with the following: 06:47 < lanteau_> yep :) 06:47 < rsbeq-cam> inet:unknown:/bin/inetd 06:47 < rsbeq-cam> pz:unknown:/bin/podzilla 06:47 < DaRkEsTLiTe> huh? 06:48 < rsbeq-cam> edit the ipod/etc/inittab file 06:48 < rsbeq-cam> make sure it has those 2 line 06:48 -!- lanteau_ is now known as Hostile 06:49 < DaRkEsTLiTe> wheres that? 06:49 < Hostile> ... 06:50 < DaRkEsTLiTe> sorry, but i have no idea whatsoever why this isnt working 06:50 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i dont mean to be a bother, but i just wanna get this to work 06:51 < EvilDude> can you mount hte iPod? 06:51 < EvilDude> go back to apple's firmware 06:51 < EvilDude> or disk mode 06:51 < EvilDude> and then mount iPod 06:51 < EvilDude> and then find the etc/inittab file 06:51 < DaRkEsTLiTe> did that 06:51 < EvilDude> and then add podzilla or whatvever 06:51 < DaRkEsTLiTe> oh 06:51 < rsbeq-cam> unless it was already there? 06:51 < DaRkEsTLiTe> okay, lemee took forn the inittab file 06:52 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i have an etc folder 06:52 < DaRkEsTLiTe> but 06:52 < DaRkEsTLiTe> the only file in it 06:52 < DaRkEsTLiTe> is "rc" 06:52 < EvilDude> then add to rc file :P? 06:53 < DaRkEsTLiTe> and i have podzilla in my sbin folder 06:54 -!- carote44 [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 06:55 -!- wang [~blaaa@202-137-106-137.adsl.usertools.net] has quit [] 06:56 < EvilDude> add /sbin/podzilla ? 06:56 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i dont have then inittab file though 06:56 < EvilDude> add to rc then 06:56 < EvilDude> they both get executed at start, dont worry :p 06:57 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i cant start though 06:57 < DaRkEsTLiTe> thats my main problem 06:58 < DaRkEsTLiTe> fine ill try it, but how do i open the RC file then? 06:58 < DaRkEsTLiTe> what do i open it with? 06:59 < rsbeq-cam> no, no, CREATE the inittab 06:59 < DaRkEsTLiTe> okay... how do i create it then? 06:59 < DaRkEsTLiTe> can someone just send me a copy of their inittab? 06:59 < DaRkEsTLiTe> and ill pop it in 06:59 < rsbeq-cam> notepad 07:00 < DaRkEsTLiTe> rsbeq, can you send me a copy of yours? 07:01 < rsbeq-cam> Just put the two lines in notepad and save it 07:01 < DaRkEsTLiTe> okay... 07:05 < DaRkEsTLiTe> still not working 07:05 < DaRkEsTLiTe> freezing at the same point 07:07 < Hostile> DaRkEsTLiTe, is podzilla chmodded +x? 07:07 < rsbeq-cam> you copied on podzlla right? 07:08 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:08 < DaRkEsTLiTe> no =/ 07:08 < DaRkEsTLiTe> how do i do that? 07:08 < DaRkEsTLiTe> no one ever told me 07:12 < EvilDude> darkestlite are you on windows? 07:12 < DaRkEsTLiTe> yessum' 07:13 < EvilDude> you used the windows installer? 07:13 < DaRkEsTLiTe> yes 07:14 < EvilDude> and it just freezes for no reason? 07:14 < DaRkEsTLiTe> on the ipod, yes 07:14 < EvilDude> well is the iPod plugged into firewire? 07:15 < DaRkEsTLiTe> it was, then wasnt, then was, then wasnt 07:15 < DaRkEsTLiTe> etc 07:15 -!- wbniv [~wbniv@user-0c6t0e2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ipodlinux 07:15 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i started it up on firewire and started it up off firewire 07:15 < DaRkEsTLiTe> freezes no matter what 07:15 < EvilDude> hmm ok 07:24 < DaRkEsTLiTe> ? 07:24 * DaRkEsTLiTe is still confused =( 07:25 * DaRkEsTLiTe 's ipod is all weird now 07:25 < EvilDude> i think so too 07:25 < EvilDude> it works fine for me 07:28 < DaRkEsTLiTe> =/ 07:28 < DaRkEsTLiTe> so you're pretty much just saying im fucked? 07:29 < EvilDude> lol well try reinstall 07:29 < EvilDude> latest installer everything? 07:30 < DaRkEsTLiTe> ill reinstall... =/ 07:30 < DaRkEsTLiTe> yes 07:30 < DaRkEsTLiTe> 1.2.1? 07:32 < EvilDude> yeah i think so 07:38 < EvilDude> also try a restore / update and ten install if it dun work 07:38 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i think it works now 07:38 < DaRkEsTLiTe> is it supposed to open straight to podzilla? 07:38 < rsbeq-cam> yes 07:38 < DaRkEsTLiTe> okay it works 07:39 < EvilDude> lol woot 07:43 < DaRkEsTLiTe> how do i turn off my ipod now? 07:43 < DaRkEsTLiTe> do i have to reset, go to apple thing, then turn off? 07:43 < EvilDude> yep 07:44 < rsbeq-cam> night-o 07:44 -!- rsbeq-cam [~doom@pool-151-200-13-247.res.east.verizon.net] has left #ipodlinux ["part"] 07:44 < DaRkEsTLiTe> damn=/ 07:44 < DaRkEsTLiTe> oh well 07:47 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.106] has quit [] 07:49 -!- DaRkEsTLiTe [~DaRkEsT@adsl-68-126-178-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 08:03 -!- DaRkEsTLiTe [~DaRkEsT@adsl-68-126-178-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:03 < DaRkEsTLiTe> hey 08:03 < DaRkEsTLiTe> sorry, one last question 08:04 < DaRkEsTLiTe> how do i get back to IPod mode? every time i try it goes to diskmode and i wanna get to normal ipod mode 08:04 -!- wifi29 [~wifi_TK@c-24-17-130-172.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:04 < wifi29> hello people 08:04 -!- wifi29 [~wifi_TK@c-24-17-130-172.client.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:06 -!- wifi29 [~wifi_TK@c-24-17-130-172.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:06 < wifi29> hey everyone 08:07 < wifi29> anyone? 08:12 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:13 < wifi29> hello 08:15 < DaRkEsTLiTe> can someone help?? 08:16 -!- cSp [~chatzilla@dyn-099235.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 08:16 < wifi29> with what 08:17 < DaRkEsTLiTe> how do i get back to IPod mode? every time i try it goes to diskmode and i wanna get to normal ipod mode 08:18 < wifi29> mmm 08:18 < wifi29> well 08:18 < wifi29> i have a 4g ipod 08:18 < wifi29> but have u tried to reset it 08:18 < DaRkEsTLiTe> yes 08:18 < wifi29> like with 4g ipod u hold select and and menu at the same time 08:18 < DaRkEsTLiTe> u dont have linux do you? 08:18 < DaRkEsTLiTe> on ur pod 08:18 < wifi29> nop 08:18 < wifi29> i have and ipod 4g 08:18 < DaRkEsTLiTe> oh, nvm then 08:18 < DaRkEsTLiTe> why doesnt it work on 4 gigs? 08:19 < DaRkEsTLiTe> that should be more than enough space 08:19 < wifi29> it is 08:19 < courtc> hi 08:19 < wifi29> but the hardware is built way differently 08:19 < wifi29> hey court 08:20 < wifi29> if i dont get linux soon, i may kill myself 08:20 < wifi29> so wait, to run linux on the ipod, u dont have to have podzilla installed first do u 08:21 < courtc> I'm sure you can wait a little while.. 08:21 < wifi29> ya i can 08:21 < courtc> podzilla is an application that runs on top of linux 08:22 < wifi29> ok 08:22 < wifi29> so is that a yes 08:22 < wifi29> or an opptional accesory 08:22 < wifi29> accessory*... 08:22 < courtc> well it comes with most installations and you cant do much without it.. 08:22 < DaRkEsTLiTe> yes u need podzilla 08:23 < DaRkEsTLiTe> but 08:23 < courtc> Its mimics the appe interface 08:23 < wifi29> ahh 08:23 < DaRkEsTLiTe> it installs automatically 08:23 < wifi29> so once linux comes for the 4g it will install podzilla automatically 08:23 < DaRkEsTLiTe> most likely 08:24 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:24 < courtc> you dont *need* it persay, but operating without it is difficult... 08:24 < wifi29> is it for the 4g already, i could go to the site but im here already 08:24 < courtc> please read the title 08:24 < DaRkEsTLiTe> someoen who knows help meeeeee 08:25 < DaRkEsTLiTe> how do i get back to IPod mode? every time i try it goes to diskmode and i wanna get to normal ipod mode 08:25 < courtc> DaRkEsTLiTe- reboot with menu+play 08:25 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i did 08:25 < wifi29> thats what i said it starts linux again 08:25 < DaRkEsTLiTe> err, podzilla 08:26 < courtc> then hold down rewind as it boots.. 08:26 < DaRkEsTLiTe> oh 08:26 < DaRkEsTLiTe> okay 08:26 < courtc> no, it starts linux.. podzilla runs on top of linux 08:26 < DaRkEsTLiTe> yessss Ty 08:26 < DaRkEsTLiTe> thats what i thought 08:26 < DaRkEsTLiTe> Ty 08:26 < courtc> yup 08:27 < wifi29> k, so let me get this, if i had a 3g ipod, i instal linux, then podzilla, then with podzilla i cant play files greater than 6-7mb 08:28 < DaRkEsTLiTe> wait 08:28 < DaRkEsTLiTe> when u install linux, podzilla is with it 08:28 < DaRkEsTLiTe> not seperate 08:28 < DaRkEsTLiTe> so yeah 08:28 < DaRkEsTLiTe> just so ya know 08:28 < DaRkEsTLiTe> its all 1 install 08:28 < DaRkEsTLiTe> you dont have a choice, you get podzilla whether or not u want it 08:28 < wifi29> ok, but still not mp3>6mb-7mb 08:29 < courtc> wifi29- well right now the malloc is a litte messed up... so its a little different.. byy the time the 4g is supported it should be fixed 08:29 < wifi29> mm 08:29 < wifi29> well till then ill just screw with ipodwizard 08:29 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.46] has joined #ipodlinux 08:30 < wifi29> any cool ipodmod sites u would suggest besides ipodhack.com and will-burn.net 08:30 < EvilDude> hey anyone alive 08:30 < wifi29> hey ed 08:30 < EvilDude> I need someone to test podzilla stuff again for me =] 08:30 < courtc> ipodlinux.org is good ;) 08:30 < courtc> on x11? 08:30 < wifi29> unless u have a 4gipod 08:30 < EvilDude> x11 isnt enough :( 08:31 < courtc> well than i cant help :( 08:31 < EvilDude> damn mp3 playback not on x11 08:31 < EvilDude> :( damn 08:32 < EvilDude> anyone with a 3G iPod and linux on it here and has a connection to it :D? 08:32 < courtc> <=3g 08:32 < EvilDude> with a connection to it :P 08:32 < EvilDude> (preferably one through usb or firewire rather than a mental one) 08:33 < courtc> that was less than or equal to 08:33 < EvilDude> ah 08:33 < EvilDude> well I guess less than or equal to would work too :) 08:34 < EvilDude> i'll take it no one alive has one atm :(? 08:35 < courtc> not many people... 08:35 < EvilDude> maybe i should make it work on x11 somehow lol 08:35 < courtc> half of our active people have 4g's or minis 08:36 < wifi29> by the looks of things, the majority of the people in this room are not actually here atm 08:36 < EvilDude> lol yeah that too 08:36 < EvilDude> damn 4G's i want one :( 08:36 < EvilDude> they have so much cooler hw 08:36 < wifi29> i have one, hee hee 08:36 < EvilDude> or a photo either will do :d 08:37 < courtc> I'll take a photo :) 08:37 < wifi29> me too 08:37 < EvilDude> But photo is fatter :( 08:37 < wifi29> porn in class would be bad... 08:37 < EvilDude> If only it was same width as 4G 08:37 < wifi29> photo is funner 08:37 < EvilDude> hahaha 08:37 < DaRkEsTLiTe> fuck, i want the U2! 08:37 < EvilDude> yeah it is 08:37 < wifi29> U2 08:37 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i hate u2, but the ipods pimp 08:37 < EvilDude> Darkestlite!!! You have a 2g iPod and can put files on it right!? 08:37 < wifi29> it looks cool but the engraving on the back is so stupid 08:37 < wifi29> unless u like u2 08:37 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i have a 15gig 08:37 < EvilDude> i like the black look 08:37 < EvilDude> yeah but 2G right 08:38 < wifi29> but i hate em so if it wernt for the engravings i woulda gotten it 08:38 < DaRkEsTLiTe> yeah 08:38 < EvilDude> do you know how to copy latest podzilla on it? 08:38 < DaRkEsTLiTe> sorry, i think g and gig are same 08:38 < wifi29> on what 08:38 < DaRkEsTLiTe> um, no? 08:38 < EvilDude> onto his iPod 08:38 < DaRkEsTLiTe> i dunno =/ 08:38 < EvilDude> well you copy podzilla file onto the iPod and make a file called start ok too complicated i'll make a zip file you extract onto the ipod ok? 08:38 < wifi29> brb, time to pay the water bill 08:38 < EvilDude> lol k 08:39 < DaRkEsTLiTe> okay, why? 08:39 < EvilDude> you can be my tester :D :D 08:39 < DaRkEsTLiTe> =/ 08:39 < EvilDude> haha 08:39 < DaRkEsTLiTe> alright 08:39 < DaRkEsTLiTe> but wait 08:39 < EvilDude> Its a very long complicated process courtc compiles pod binary 08:39 < DaRkEsTLiTe> what am i testing 08:39 < EvilDude> and you copy onto iPod 08:39 < EvilDude> my version of podzilla 08:39 < EvilDude> has a few new features 08:39 < DaRkEsTLiTe> oh 08:39 < EvilDude> like playing next song in list etc 08:39 < wifi29> back 08:40 < wifi29> sweet sweet relief 08:40 < courtc> Legend: 2g - 2nd generation iPod; 2GB - 2 gigabytes; 2Gb - 2 gigabits 08:40 < EvilDude> courtc : can you compile a podzilla binary from sourcethat i give you 08:41 < courtc> yes i can 08:41 < DaRkEsTLiTe> alright PM me when ur ready evil 08:41 < EvilDude> ok thanks 08:42 < wifi29> i feel so lost 08:42 < EvilDude> lol 08:42 < EvilDude> the world of non 4Gers :p 08:43 < wifi29> haha losers, livin a life in the past 08:43 < wifi29> sad story it is 08:43 < courtc> EvilDude- do you know about this: http://www.ipodlinux.org/blog/index.php?p=7 ? 08:44 < EvilDude> booting kernel on 4g? 08:44 < EvilDude> or is this completely different 08:44 < wifi29> ya ya, kernel does nothing for me 08:44 < courtc> read the link 08:44 < EvilDude> ohhh 08:44 < wifi29> patch list 08:44 < EvilDude> yeah i read that how do i add it 08:45 < EvilDude> add to it* 08:45 < EvilDude> like get registered 08:45 < courtc> get registered to do what? 08:45 < EvilDude> like get the patches other people send in 08:45 < courtc> ahh 08:46 < courtc> I guess I can let you in on that.. 08:46 < courtc> ;) 08:46 < wifi29> ur letting everyone in the chatroom in on it if theyre not to lazy to scroll up... 08:47 < EvilDude> lol 08:47 < courtc> no, because I know how to pm ;) 08:47 < EvilDude> thats what pms are for :D 08:47 < courtc> hah 08:47 < wifi29> you are all bastards ;) 08:47 < wifi29> i forgot, waaa 08:48 < wifi29> hey, anyone here know of a way to watch grayscale videos on ipod 4g 08:49 < courtc> I need to see what leachbj thinks about making the subscription public before i release it... but hes in spain :/ 08:49 < EvilDude> ah lol 08:49 < courtc> no! 08:49 < EvilDude> Why would you want to watch 4 color videos =\ 08:50 < wifi29> because 08:50 < EvilDude> courtc, i uploaded my podzilla code here, can you compile a binary: http://server-one.homelinux.org/~evildude/mypodzilla.zip 08:50 < wifi29> theres nothing better to do in calss 08:50 < EvilDude> lol 08:50 < courtc> yea, not grayscale, but 2bit color :p 08:50 < wifi29> i almost got an archos 08:50 < wifi29> my friend was watching armagodean in social studies 08:50 < EvilDude> see videos on iPod photo would be alright ;) 08:51 < wifi29> ya they would 08:51 < EvilDude> Although I'd rather use the tv output 08:51 < EvilDude> i wonder if photo could decode divs movies 08:51 < wifi29> most of the stuff i do on my ipod is stuff im not supposed to be doing and i dont like to get in trouble, just like to do stuff that would get me in trouble 08:52 < wifi29> so hauling a 56inch projection tv into class and putting it infront of my desk would be a little suspicious 08:52 < EvilDude> lol 08:52 < EvilDude> i only use my ipod for music atm... am i doing something wrong :p 08:53 < wifi29> yes u are 08:53 < DaRkEsTLiTe> =P 08:53 < EvilDude> i would use it for more with linux 08:53 < EvilDude> especially the recordings! 08:53 < wifi29> i have about 2gb of stolen software and about 6gb of porn on mine 08:53 < EvilDude> haha 08:53 < wifi29> most of the 6gb stuff is crap tho 08:53 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 08:53 < cSp> just used the windows installer & ipod-linux for the first time. It's 10 times better than expected 08:53 < wifi29> i think i have to much time on my hands is all 08:53 < EvilDude> haha yeah the windows installer rulz 08:53 < wifi29> congrats csp 08:53 < EvilDude> brings noobs like me onto ipod linux :D 08:54 < EvilDude> courtc: did you get the podzilla source i uploaded? 08:54 < courtc> i *can* release this however http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipodlinux-cvslog 08:54 < courtc> EvilDude- working on it.. 08:54 < EvilDude> ok thanks 08:54 < wifi29> whats that court 08:54 < wifi29> to lazy to click 08:55 < courtc> thats the cvs commit mailinglist 08:55 < cSp> indeed. I do have linux installed on my laptop, but I didn't want to go to too much trouble :) 08:55 < wifi29> it just me, my keyboard, and alt+tab 08:55 < courtc> EvilDude- check your -Wall errors :) 08:55 < wifi29> my laptop has a 4.02gb hd, 64mb ram, 233mhz processor 08:55 < wifi29> its like a text only comp 08:56 < wifi29> all its power is used to keep it from shutting down 08:56 < EvilDude> i dun have a compiler :P how many errors are there 08:56 < Wammy> wifi29: mine is 5.4gb hd 128mb ram 300mhz G3 08:56 < wifi29> mm 08:56 < wifi29> well, least u have 128mb ram 08:56 < EvilDude> im on a 6gb 128 ram 600 PC :P 08:56 < courtc> EvilDude- join #ipodlinuxflood 08:57 < EvilDude> with NO dev tools :'( 08:57 < wifi29> i have no standard specs on the laptop 08:57 < wifi29> i get a new one in feb with pci express x16 graphix interface 08:57 < wifi29> its gonna make all ur comps look like a peice of sh*t 08:57 < Thijs> gmorning all 08:58 < courtc> hey Thijs 08:59 < Thijs> thats courtc... always greeting :) 08:59 < courtc> :) 09:00 < wifi29> lasdf 09:01 < wbniv> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipodlinux-cvslog gives me permission denied when i click on the "archives" link 09:02 < courtc> yup.. No lookingat arcives for you! 09:02 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Cho"] 09:02 < courtc> Its unnessicary just look at the cvs log.. 09:03 < normalperson> courtc: you could not be more wrong 09:03 < courtc> on what? 09:04 < courtc> what am i wrong about now? 09:04 < normalperson> about cvs logs, they're very useful 09:05 < courtc> ... 09:05 < EvilDude> I think he meant that you dont need archives 09:05 < EvilDude> seeing there's already logs in cvs... 09:05 < EvilDude> courtc... wrong not possible! :P 09:05 < normalperson> no, the cvs interface is nasty :p 09:05 < courtc> I know i spelled necessary incorrectly and missed a comma, but I think you misunderstood me 09:06 < DaRkEsTLiTe> evil 09:06 < DaRkEsTLiTe> we doing this tonite? 09:06 < EvilDude> na dont worry about it 09:06 < EvilDude> i'll be home in a week 09:06 < EvilDude> i'll do it then :) 09:06 < courtc> EvilDude- join #ipodlinuxflood 09:06 < DaRkEsTLiTe> okay 09:08 -!- carote44 [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 09:08 -!- DaRkEsTLiTe was kicked from #ipodlinux by courtc [courtc] 09:08 -!- DaRkEsTLiTe [~DaRkEsT@adsl-68-126-178-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:09 -!- wifi29 [~wifi_TK@c-24-17-130-172.client.comcast.net] has quit [] 09:09 < normalperson> still can't get to the archives 09:09 < normalperson> oops, nm 09:10 < normalperson> g'nite guys 09:11 < EvilDude> nite 09:11 -!- jon__ [~jon@airplane1.suphammer.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:11 -!- jon__ is now known as Exion 09:11 -!- Exion is now known as jon__ 09:11 < courtc> http://www.so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/podzilla 09:11 -!- jon__ [~jon@airplane1.suphammer.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:12 -!- Exion [~jon@airplane1.suphammer.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:24 -!- tlg_ [~tlg@151-209.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 09:24 -!- tlg [~tlg@151-209.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 09:33 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:40 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.46] has left #ipodlinux [] 09:43 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95322C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:43 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95322C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:44 -!- DaRkEsTLiTe [~DaRkEsT@adsl-68-126-178-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [" Beautiful young women like me shouldn't work in bars"] 09:45 -!- cSp [~chatzilla@dyn-099235.nbw.tue.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041202]"] 10:16 -!- Mayoral [ask@200.Red-80-26-118.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:32 < cohmapapphome> I just read about the TomeRaider browser that lets you carry the entire wikipedia with you on your PDA. It'd be nice to be able to do that with an ipod. 10:32 < cohmapapphome> http://members.chello.nl/epzachte/Wikipedia/ 10:33 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:34 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 11:08 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has joined #ipodlinux 11:14 -!- Luke [~blindspy@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:26 -!- cohmapappWork [~cohmapapp@corporate.homestead-inc.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:31 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has joined #ipodlinux 11:31 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has left #ipodlinux [] 11:36 -!- Synapse-_ [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 11:36 -!- Synapse- [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 11:45 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:48 < nilss> re 11:48 < Thijs> re too 12:03 -!- Mayoral [ask@200.Red-80-26-118.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps"] 12:13 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EE98EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:17 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o nilss ] by courtc 12:20 < Thijs> :) 12:21 < Thijs> respect to nilss 12:21 < nilss> oh, thx ;) 12:26 < ipodvoid> mh 12:26 < ipodvoid> any new milestone? *G* 12:26 < nilss> nope 12:28 < ipodvoid> nilss: what needs to be done to boot linux on my 4g? 12:28 < ipodvoid> maybe i could provide better pics 12:28 < nilss> it boots 12:28 < ipodvoid> i know 12:28 < ipodvoid> but you pic 12:28 < nilss> but ide doesnt work 12:28 < ipodvoid> is mh 12:28 < ipodvoid> blurry ;> 12:28 < nilss> i dont think pics are that important 12:28 < ipodvoid> indeed they are not 12:29 < ipodvoid> but iam bored to hell *G* 12:29 < courtc> its really not very impessive looking.. 12:30 < courtc> but, ... meh 12:34 -!- cohmapappWork [~cohmapapp@corporate.homestead-inc.com] has joined #ipodlinux 12:42 < ipodvoid> nilss: any idea how to continue? 12:45 < wbniv> ipodvoid, read the forums and convert useful documentation to the wiki ? 12:46 < wbniv> dunno, just an idea/suggestion... 12:46 < ipodvoid> wbniv: am i talkin to you? ;) 12:58 -!- nilss [nils@2001:6f8:1226:1:0:0:d95d:3544] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:02 -!- nusse [nusse@bender.nusse.eu.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:04 -!- Duckula^ [overflow@pD9E69462.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:06 -!- mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ipodlinux 13:06 < mdke> anyone active? 13:07 < mdke> offtopic question, but i couldn't think of anywhere else to ask it. Does anyone know how i can change the name of my ipod, using gtkpod or some other method 13:09 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 13:10 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EE98EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:12 -!- nilss [nils@pD9E3DE15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:33 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95322D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:34 -!- mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 13:34 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95322D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:38 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:40 -!- wbniv is now known as wbniv|zZz 13:46 < Thijs> nilss: r u there ? 13:46 < nilss> yea 13:50 < Thijs> see dev 13:50 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:51 < nilss> oh 13:53 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 13:55 -!- TheShadGuy [~chatzilla@fctnnbsch17-156034223066.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:14 -!- tlg [~tlg@151-209.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 14:29 < coob> courtc: can you send me a png of how the favicon.ico is supposed to look? 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16:06 < ipodlinuxnewbie> that isnt a point 16:07 < coob> then why did you paste my hostname? 16:07 < ipodlinuxnewbie> but my question is With an agp video card (ati) on linux do u need a gart driver? 16:07 < coob> try the ati channel. 16:07 < coob> this is an ipod linux channel 16:07 < coob> you're asking in the wrong place. 16:08 < ipodlinuxnewbie> nvm the ati website answered it 16:08 < ipodlinuxnewbie> coob what os are u running? 16:08 < coob> os x. 16:09 < BleuLlama> next time, use google first before you bring an OT question into here. 16:09 < ipodlinuxnewbie> ahhh u ever run a linux ppc on it? 16:09 < coob> no, there's no point. 16:09 < BleuLlama> why bother when OS X/Darwin/BSD runs significantly better on a modern PPC mac? 16:09 < ipodlinuxnewbie> yea i know it sux 16:10 < BleuLlama> did i say that? 16:10 < coob> os x has a) better device support b) much better interface c) runs more apps 16:10 < ipodlinuxnewbie> no 16:10 < ipodlinuxnewbie> i have to disagree with b 16:10 < coob> linux ppc is only really useful for old g3's where os x doesn't run as well 16:11 < BleuLlama> or old '601/3/4 machines that cannot run OS X at all (like my Yellow Dog Linux box) 16:11 < coob> yeah 16:11 < ipodlinuxnewbie> i like kde better than osx 16:11 < BleuLlama> coob: i agree with A, B and C 16:11 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-217-93.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:12 < coob> ipodlinuxnewbie: you may disagree that it may not suit your (imo bad) gui tastes, but the underlying gui technology in os x is much better than what linux ppc uses. 16:12 < dolph1n> back 16:12 < ipodlinuxnewbie> thats true i am just talking under the terms of looks tho 16:12 < ipodlinuxnewbie> sry if i didnt make that clear 16:13 < coob> gnome/kde are fugly compared to os x, and most cases of people diagreeing i've seen are just jealous people in denial :) 16:13 < BleuLlama> imo; in terms of looks, design and performance, I think Aqua/Cocoa is significantly better than KDE/X11 16:14 < coob> well look at it this way - there's a reason linux ppc has seen a slower rate of developmenbt since the advent of os x. 16:14 < ipodlinuxnewbie> well gnome is fugly it looks quite similair to os9 16:14 < coob> it looks nothing like os 9 16:14 < BleuLlama> ? 16:14 < ipodlinuxnewbie> i think so 16:14 < coob> show me a screenshot. 16:15 < ipodlinuxnewbie> minus the launcher 16:15 < ipodlinuxnewbie> id have to reboot to show u a screenshot 16:15 < ipodlinuxnewbie> ill look on the net 16:15 < coob> the only thing you should have to reboot for are kernel and hardware upgrades :< 16:15 < coob> unless you have to boot into linux from windows. 16:15 < coob> or whatever 16:15 < ipodlinuxnewbie> i am running a dual boot 16:16 < ipodlinuxnewbie> or xp and slack 16:16 < BleuLlama> coob: or hardware mistakes... accidently popping out a pci card, etc. ;) 16:17 < coob> lol 16:18 < ipodlinuxnewbie> accidently? 16:18 < coob> isn't that new pci-xpress meant to be hotswapable? 16:18 < coob> or was i daydreaming 16:18 < BleuLlama> heh. i dunno. i don't have a modern machine that even remotely has that. 16:18 < BleuLlama> er. i don't have a machine remotely modern enough to have that. 16:18 < BleuLlama> <- no caffeine = bad grammar 16:19 < ipodlinuxnewbie> the only hardware i have seen with pcix support is vid cards neways 16:19 < coob> ? 16:19 < ipodlinuxnewbie> i cant think of anything else that would ask for so much bandwith 16:19 < coob> raid cards 16:19 < BleuLlama> DSP cards 16:19 < coob> video digitizers 16:19 < coob> all that jazz. 16:20 < ipodlinuxnewbie> dsp cards=no 16:20 < BleuLlama> firewire 800 interface cards 16:20 * BleuLlama is guessing 16:20 < ipodlinuxnewbie> firewire 800 still cant take advantage of it 16:20 < coob> hmm who brought out that firewire 800 cable for the ipod dock connector 16:20 < coob> and why, if the ipod only supports 400 16:20 < ipodlinuxnewbie> brb 16:21 < BleuLlama> um. there are PCI-X DSP cards. google for it, my friend. 16:21 < ipodlinuxnewbie> sry 16:22 < ipodlinuxnewbie> i dont think a dsp card needs that much bandwith tho 16:22 < ipodlinuxnewbie> even if you are doing professional stuff 16:22 < BleuLlama> more bandwith to the bus = more computing time, less bottlenecking 16:23 < ipodlinuxnewbie> yea but i dont even think that pci dsp cards bottleneck 16:23 < ipodlinuxnewbie> pardon me if i sound stupid 16:27 -!- jonmasters [~jcm@212.13.197.123] has quit [tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:27 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has quit [tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:27 < ipodlinuxnewbie> lata 16:27 -!- ipodlinuxnewbie [~chatzilla@h-66-167-69-245.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"] 16:27 < coob> you are aprdoned. 16:28 < coob> er pardoned 16:28 < coob> doh ;( 16:28 < dolph1n> Rubiks CUbe New PB: 2:46 16:29 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:29 -!- Luke [~blindspy@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 16:29 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 16:29 < veteran> haha "Also, is there a way to dump the flash code into the computer from the player?" 16:29 < coob> lool 16:29 < coob> give them the url :) 16:31 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 16:32 < Luke> hehe who asked that? 16:33 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+vvvv veteran Thijs coob BleuLlama ] by Luke 16:33 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v nilss ] by Luke 16:33 < BleuLlama> who asked what? 16:34 < veteran> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6212 16:34 < Luke> < veteran> haha "Also, is there a way to dump the flash code into the computer from the player?" 16:34 -!- nusse [nusse@bender.nusse.eu.org] has joined #ipodlinux 16:36 < Luke> hehehe 16:36 < Luke> afk 16:38 -!- nilss [nils@pD9E3DE15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:38 -!- nilss_ [nils@2001:6f8:1226:1:0:0:d95d:3544] has joined #ipodlinux 16:38 -!- nilss_ is now known as nilss 16:42 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by ChanServ 16:43 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup1000.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:43 < Thijs> wb nilss 16:44 -!- RichiH [richih@richih.staff.freenode] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:46 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 16:48 -!- RichiH [richih@richih.staff.freenode] has joined #ipodlinux 16:50 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup1000.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Linux is a (r)evolution. 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Ive never seen him/her(?) in here. 19:02 < wifi_TK> no i am not expecting anyone named nyone... 19:02 < wifi_TK> i was using slang 19:03 < wifi_TK> but which ipod do you have? 19:04 < BleuLlama> aah. okay. spell out your words next time, it works much better. 19:04 < dbomb> I have 3g 10gb 19:04 < BleuLlama> 4g 20gb 19:05 < wifi_TK> me too 19:06 < wifi_TK> 4g 20gb 19:08 < wifi_TK> does anyone here have their own personal opinion about when the linux os for the 4g will be finished 19:10 < Zyrill> yeah... somewhere around Q4/2005 19:10 < Zyrill> hrhr 19:10 < wifi_TK> umm, thats late 2005 19:10 < BleuLlama> don't expect it any time before May 19:10 < BleuLlama> read the topic 19:12 < wifi_TK> ive read the topic 19:12 < wifi_TK> it says go to the site 19:12 < wifi_TK> i have already done so 19:12 < wifi_TK> i also prefer to speak to real people 19:13 < wifi_TK> if you do not consider you self a real person or are unable to speak english then we seem to have a slight conflict 19:13 < BleuLlama> well, it gets really old when someone comes in here and asks, since it happens so often. 19:13 < wifi_TK> ahh 19:13 < wifi_TK> i see what you mean 19:13 < wifi_TK> k well, sorry 19:15 < coob> and then they come out with a sarky comment, which we also get quite often 19:15 < coob> althought mostly from me. 19:16 < BleuLlama> man... looking at the applications page, makes me think that this thing will be a game machine first, and a music player second. hehe 19:16 < coob> it's that currently heh 19:16 < dbomb> hehe 19:16 < BleuLlama> i need to add in my PodDraw and Vortex to that list. heh 19:17 < dbomb> doom, and the GB emulator sound like fun :) 19:18 < coob> not really, no way to controll it until some decent form of input is sorted 19:18 < dbomb> yeah 19:18 < dbomb> but doom on my iPod sounds awesome 19:18 < dbomb> or zelda 19:18 < Thijs> zelda! 19:18 < Thijs> http://www.thijsje.nl/ipod/ipodzelda.jpg :) 19:19 < dbomb> is that real? 19:19 < coob> haha no 19:20 < coob> ipl doesn't even run on the mini 19:20 < Thijs> photoshopped 19:20 < coob> and that backlight is way to bright/uniform 19:20 < dbomb> o yeah 19:20 * dbomb smacks his head 19:20 < coob> Thijs: don't post that link to the forums, you'll get more noob questions than there were about the yellow tux :) 19:21 < Thijs> hehe i wont do :) 19:23 < Thijs> too bad we are missing a few buttons on the ipod to emulate a gameboy 19:24 < Thijs> we have 4 directional keys and only A or B key 19:24 < Thijs> (start and select could be get when hold the center key) 19:24 < Thijs> but the A/B is a problem 19:24 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 19:24 < dbomb> the scroll wheel could be left right, fw and bw could be up and down 19:24 < BleuLlama> remote 19:25 < dbomb> play/pause could be b, select, a 19:25 < dbomb> menu start 19:25 < Thijs> yesm that would be the option.. but having all intergrated would be nicer 19:25 < BleuLlama> menu should always go back to the main menu, or bring up the app's menu 19:25 < Thijs> u need directional buttons 19:25 < Thijs> touchwheel wouldnt be a great idea 19:26 < Thijs> maybe with race games.. but not zelda 19:26 < dbomb> yeah... 19:26 < wifi_TK> no 19:26 < wifi_TK> you know what would be cool 19:26 < wifi_TK> to connect it to comp and play multiplayer of the internet 19:26 < wifi_TK> that would be cool 19:27 < dbomb> F-Zero might be cool... 19:27 < dbomb> its NES I think 19:28 < dbomb> there might be a GB one though 19:28 < veteran> any overhead racer would be good 19:29 < Thijs> connecting it to internet wouldnt be so hard.. u only need a ipod-to-PCserialPort cable 19:29 < BleuLlama> so.. what about the screen res? would you just drop the left and right of the screen, or lose pixels? 19:29 < Thijs> and run a program that act as router between internet and serial 19:29 < veteran> hah Thijs, only =] 19:29 < BleuLlama> oh wait. nevermind. 19:29 < BleuLlama> my bad. i was looking at GBA screen specs, not GB 19:30 < veteran> the eth1394 project is working on winxp compatibility 19:31 < wifi_TK> what are some good ipod modding sites besides ipodhack.com and ipodlinux.org 19:31 < wifi_TK> and will-burn.net 19:34 < Thijs> heheh 19:34 < Thijs> http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/ipod/howto-hack-ipod-into-ipod-shuffle-029509.php 19:34 < wifi_TK> ...ok 19:34 < wifi_TK> ill look at it, sec 19:35 < dbomb> hah 19:35 < wifi_TK> oh 19:35 < wifi_TK> lol 19:35 < wifi_TK> haha 19:39 < wifi_TK> now, any real sites 19:41 -!- biofeedb4ck [~fwhite@216.162.144.18] has joined #ipodlinux 19:42 < biofeedb4ck> Anyone active? 19:44 -!- veteran_BAH [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:44 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:44 -!- veteran_BAH is now known as veteran 19:46 -!- roowie is now known as czt 19:48 -!- czt is now known as r00wie 19:49 < wifi_TK> i sorta am 19:50 -!- biofeedb4ck [~fwhite@216.162.144.18] has quit [] 19:50 -!- r00wie is now known as roowie 19:56 < BleuLlama> in case any of you care, http://www.cis.rit.edu/~sdlpci/Image/2005/01 i made this to comapre screen resolutions of various systems. I just added in iPod Mini, iPod, and iPod photo. :) 20:00 -!- wifi_TK [~wifi_TK@63-229-5-233.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [] 20:01 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-217-93.dsl.pipex.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:04 < BleuLlama> there. colorized the lookup key. ;) 20:04 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:04 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:08 -!- Cham_0 [Cham_@spc2-walt3-4-0-cust31.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:18 < coob> i thought vga was 64x480 20:18 < coob> or have i been lied to 20:18 < coob> 640* 20:20 < BleuLlama> SVGA is 640x480 20:20 < BleuLlama> VGA is 320x240 20:20 < BleuLlama> :) 20:21 < BleuLlama> afaik. 20:22 < BleuLlama> yeah. everyone says VGA and 640x480 interchangably, but really 640 is SVGA 20:22 < BleuLlama> 800x600 is XGA 20:29 < BleuLlama> although, there are "VGA cards" that support 640 as well as 320... 20:29 < BleuLlama> so what i'm trying to say is... 20:30 < BleuLlama> i have no fucking clue. i'm probably wrong. heh 20:30 < BleuLlama> but i nailed all of the other resolutions on that chart. ;) 20:33 < coob> VGA - 640 X 480 20:33 < coob> SVGA - 800 X 600 20:33 < coob> XGA - 1024 X 768 20:34 < coob> http://www.i386.info/vidres.htm 20:34 < coob> it depends on palettes though 20:35 < coob> XGA is only 1024x768 with a 256 colour pallete 20:35 < coob> it's 640x480 with a 16 bit palette 20:35 < coob> those names are misleading :< 20:36 < coob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_display_standard 20:36 < coob> VGA 20:36 < coob> Video Graphics Array is actually a set of different resolutions, but is most commonly used today to refer to 640 × 480 pixel displays with 16 colours (4 bits per pixel) and a 4:3 aspect ratio. Other display modes are also defined as VGA, such as 320 × 200 at 256 colors (8 bits per pixel) and a text mode with 720 × 400 pixels. 20:51 < chungy> SVGA is the one with 24-bit colour and 1600x1200 20:51 < chungy> er... according to wp, that's not right 20:57 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-65-41-234-190.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:58 -!- tlg [~tlg@151-209.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 21:02 < BleuLlama> there we go. :) 21:04 < coob> nope 21:05 < coob> er 21:05 < coob> wrong window 21:13 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit ["—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515"] 21:17 < Thijs> got an idea to transform an nintendo controller to an ipodlinux game controller :) 21:17 -!- rsbeq-cam [~doom@pool-151-200-13-247.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:20 < Thijs> as a nintendo controller contains 8 buttons ( L,R,U,D,select,start,A,B) only 1 byte is needed 21:20 < rsbeq-cam> Did I walk in on something? 21:20 < Thijs> no 21:21 < Thijs> actually iam talking to myself 21:21 < rsbeq-cam> oh 21:21 < rsbeq-cam> ok, cool 21:21 < Thijs> and u just joined while talking to myself 21:22 -!- Cham_0 [Cham_@spc2-walt3-4-0-cust31.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [] 21:23 < rsbeq-cam> I hate installing Windows 21:23 < rsbeq-cam> STOP: INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE 21:23 < BleuLlama> ungh. i gotta do that on my pc at home.. :( 21:23 < rsbeq-cam> What the bloody hell does that mean? 21:25 < cohmapapphome> rsbeq, is that what you get after a reboot? 21:25 < rsbeq-cam> No 21:25 < rsbeq-cam> After "Setup is starting Windows 2000" 21:25 < rsbeq-cam> After booting from the install floopies. 21:26 < chungy> Floppies? o_O 21:26 < chungy> What are you installing it on? Some old computer? 21:26 < rsbeq-cam> What does it mean by boot device? HDD? CD? 21:26 < rsbeq-cam> chungy: My win2k cd doesn't seem to be bootable 21:26 < coob> 1 byte? should be able to get 8 different combos within 4 bits 21:27 < chungy> it should be, unless you have a *really* old computer that can't use El Torito 21:27 < rsbeq-cam> Are you guys talking about a GB emu? 21:27 < rsbeq-cam> It's qemu. 21:27 < BleuLlama> i know my pc can't boot from cd. it's crap 21:27 < chungy> Qemu supports booting from CD, I've installed Win2k Pro in it before.. but the current versions of QEMU break with Win2k Setup now 21:28 < rsbeq-cam> It's a disk image... so who knows what happened 21:28 < rsbeq-cam> Oh? 21:28 < rsbeq-cam> Why? 21:28 < rsbeq-cam> Are you saying I have to use an old version? 21:28 < chungy> if you can find 0.6.0 21:28 < rsbeq-cam> for OSX... 21:28 < rsbeq-cam> wait 21:28 < chungy> The people on the mailing list are working it out 21:28 < rsbeq-cam> I AM running 0.6.0 21:29 < chungy> hrm. 21:29 < chungy> Did you happen to download Windows 2000 ? >_> 21:30 < rsbeq-cam> Why, that's illegal, chungy! 21:30 < rsbeq-cam> Kind of. 21:30 < chungy> it is. But many warez copies break things. 21:31 < chungy> on purpose. Sometimes to **** up the pirater, sometimes on accident "enhancing" the program 21:31 < rsbeq-cam> No, I know, but I'm pretty sure this isn't really warez 21:31 < rsbeq-cam> Do you have an md5sum? 21:32 < chungy> not at the moment... 21:35 < chungy> Windows 2000 Professional (no service pack, not an OEM): a19f7248394c32080697b44ff7331488 21:35 < rsbeq-cam> Did you do this from your own CD or is there a list? 21:35 < rsbeq-cam> I have sp2 21:35 < chungy> From my own CD 21:35 < rsbeq-cam> Darn 21:36 < Thijs> hey... is this still ipodlinux talk, or is this some warez hangout 21:36 < rsbeq-cam> Hmm 21:36 < rsbeq-cam> The distinction is vague 21:38 < rsbeq-cam> xdcc list 21:39 < chungy> just an MD5 sum. You can't get the whole 360MB ISO from that ;) 21:39 < rsbeq-cam> Well, you could eventually 21:39 < rsbeq-cam> If you knew the file length too 21:40 < chungy> only that multiple inputs can result in the same sum 21:40 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, really? 21:40 < rsbeq-cam> I thought it was pretty near unique 21:40 < rsbeq-cam> But, wait, that's obviously not possible 21:40 < chungy> You *could* brute force it, but that will take years 21:40 < rsbeq-cam> That's what I meant. 21:41 < rsbeq-cam> More than years 21:41 < rsbeq-cam> 2^360mb is a lot 21:43 < rsbeq-cam> Haha, or I could.... run wine in linux in qemu 21:43 < chungy> Or you could install GNU/Linux on your Apple computer 21:43 < rsbeq-cam> Let's stop talking about this, it's very painful 21:44 < rsbeq-cam> Nooo that's so silly 21:44 < chungy> Then run Qemu to translate x86 binary into PowerPC 21:44 < rsbeq-cam> I only do that to the ones that get really old 21:44 < chungy> there's also Darwine. dunno how good it runs 21:44 < rsbeq-cam> The real solution is to go blow several hundred on VPC 21:45 < chungy> no, no, no. Force VMware to make a Mac OS X version. That's better 21:48 < rsbeq-cam> So, anyways 22:07 < Thijs> hey guys.. gotta sleep 22:07 < Thijs> cya 2morrow 22:09 < rsbeq-cam> bye 22:11 < Thijs> bye 22:11 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:12 -!- jaspers [daghgsa@69-203-125-55.nyc.rr.com] has quit [] 22:15 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps..."] 22:25 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:30 < coob> http://www.applematters.com/shufflepopup0.htm 22:30 < coob> shuffle disection 22:30 < rsbeq-cam> thanks 22:30 -!- macPod [~nelsonjm@hc6524697.dhcp.vt.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 22:30 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v macPod ] by ChanServ 22:30 < rsbeq-cam> hey macPod 22:31 < macPod> hey 22:31 < rsbeq-cam> what's up? 22:31 < macPod> just got back to school 22:31 < macPod> going to eat now 22:32 < rsbeq-cam> ok 22:32 < Zyrill> coob: why not waste 50€ and just break it open to look how it fits together? 22:33 < coob> Zyrill: a) i am a poor student who would rather spend money on beer 22:33 < rsbeq-cam> i'd hate to be the one to blow money on it 22:33 < coob> b) if someone else has already done it, why both 22:33 < coob> alos, that dissection sucks for looking at the pcb :< 22:34 < coob> http://www.applematters.com/images/023.jpg 22:34 < coob> is as detailed as it gets 22:34 < rsbeq-cam> maybe the dude still has it in pieces 22:34 < rsbeq-cam> you could email and ask for better photos 22:39 < coob> http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/ 22:42 < rsbeq-cam> http://cdn.fastclick.net/fastclick.net/cid24342/flea_120x600.swf?clickTag=http%3A//media.fastclick.net/w/click.here%3Fcid%3D23804%26mid%3D56909%26sid%3D10811%26m%3D3%26c%3D3566 22:42 < rsbeq-cam> how ridiculous is that ad 22:44 < coob> lol 22:48 < Hostile> so rsbeq-cam did you and EvilDude ever get that podzilla working? 22:49 < rsbeq-cam> It compiled but crashed 22:49 < rsbeq-cam> And then I went to bed :) 22:49 < Hostile> Yeah I got it compiled and I put it on my iPod but it wont play music 22:51 < rsbeq-cam> haha coob that product cycle link 22:52 < rsbeq-cam> Hostile: Oh, did he post the updated code? 22:53 -!- xlogk24 [~xlogk24@ip62.quarters-memorial.hou.ygnition.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:58 -!- Duckula^ [overflow@pD9E69462.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:03 -!- xlogk24 [~xlogk24@ip62.quarters-memorial.hou.ygnition.net] has quit [] 23:05 -!- mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ipodlinux 23:06 < mdke> does anyone know how i can change the name of my ipod? It seems to be stored in something like "iPod_Control/iTunes/DeviceInfo". Sorry its offtopic, but i searched the web and don't know where else to ask!! thanks Matt 23:06 < rsbeq-cam> Haha, look what you can do: 23:06 < rsbeq-cam> http://cdn.fastclick.net/fastclick.net/cid24342/flea_120x600.swf?clickTag=http%3A//ipodlinux.org 23:07 < rsbeq-cam> mdke: Hmm, can't you do it from iTunes? 23:07 -!- Zyrill [~zyrill@dsl-084-057-004-164.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 23:08 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, i don't have itunes 23:08 < rsbeq-cam> oh ok 23:08 < rsbeq-cam> hold on 23:09 < mdke> awesome flash thing btw 23:09 < rsbeq-cam> really weird ad 23:09 < mdke> perhaps a touch 23:10 < rsbeq-cam> touch? 23:10 < rsbeq-cam> oh 23:10 < rsbeq-cam> yes 23:10 < johnny007> ssf 23:10 < mdke> lol 23:11 < mdke> any ideas for changing the name? 23:11 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah 23:11 < rsbeq-cam> It is in that file 23:11 < rsbeq-cam> 0000 04006900 70006f00 64000000 00000000 ..i.p.o.d....... 23:12 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, that file is not readable/editable afaics 23:13 < rsbeq-cam> It ought to be...... 23:13 < rsbeq-cam> Why wouldn't it be? 23:13 < mdke> it is a binary file 23:13 < mdke> i can't edit it 23:14 < mdke> maybe i am wrong but I can't see a way to edit it 23:14 < rsbeq-cam> use a hex editor 23:14 < rsbeq-cam> it works like this: 23:14 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, what is that? 23:15 < rsbeq-cam> length in hex, null, CHAR, null, CHAR... etc 23:15 < chungy> views and edits binary files 23:15 < chungy> if you use Wingdows, try XVI32 23:15 < mdke> linux? 23:15 < chungy> XVI32 in Wine 23:15 < mdke> i have ghex, hexcurse and hedit availble 23:16 < mdke> and lfhex 23:16 < rsbeq-cam> nice 23:16 < chungy> khexedit? 23:16 < rsbeq-cam> whichever 23:16 < mdke> k 23:16 < rsbeq-cam> it's not too important! 23:16 < chungy> I like that one 23:16 < mdke> chungy, wine shmine 23:16 < courtc> *snarl 23:16 < chungy> wine mdke 23:16 < courtc> mdke- I like your style.. :) 23:17 < mdke> ty 23:17 < mdke> well this is freenode for gods sake 23:17 < rsbeq-cam> What are you going to rename it to? :) 23:17 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, philomena 23:17 < rsbeq-cam> Hmm 23:17 < rsbeq-cam> Do you know the band menomena? 23:17 < mdke> nope 23:18 < rsbeq-cam> ok 23:18 < mdke> good? 23:18 < mdke> chungy, considering you're in a channel whose policy is to force linux onto the ipod, I would have thought mention of wine was illegal 23:19 < chungy> >_> 23:19 < chungy> Who said anything about GNU/Linux on PCs? 23:19 < rsbeq-cam> It's interesting... 23:19 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, all i need to do is edit that file DeviceInfo? 23:20 < rsbeq-cam> Give it a shot 23:20 < rsbeq-cam> just back it up though ;) 23:20 < mdke> i have these lines: 23:20 < mdke> 00000000 0B 00 6D 00 61 00 74 00 74 00 27 00 73 00 20 00 ..m.a.t.t.'.s. . 23:20 < mdke> 00000010 69 00 70 00 6F 00 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 i.p.o.d......... 23:20 < mdke> among lots of other ones 23:20 < rsbeq-cam> Hey matt 23:20 < mdke> hi 23:20 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah 23:20 < rsbeq-cam> so 23:20 < chungy> Mine says MikePod :p 23:20 < mdke> so ..p.h.i.l.o.m.e.a.? 23:20 < rsbeq-cam> periods are just undisplayable chars 23:21 < mdke> ok 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> philomena or philomea? 23:21 < mdke> the former 23:21 < mdke> typo 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> ok 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> philomena is 9 chars 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> so, on the hex side 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> you want to change the first byte to 09 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> and then over on the ascii side change the characters to the appropriate things 23:21 < chungy> Does anyone know why that name matters? The iPod seems to get the name (in the About screen) from the volume label 23:21 < rsbeq-cam> leaving the 00 nulls between 23:22 < chungy> unless that's only FAT32 23:22 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, hang on a sec. Can I PM you the whole file? there is some funky stuff lower down 23:22 < rsbeq-cam> chungy: my volume label and ipod name are different, and it gets it from that file 23:22 < rsbeq-cam> Ignore the stuff below 23:22 < rsbeq-cam> We're only worrying about the top, right? 23:22 < chungy> hrm... mine gets it from the label. Probably a 4G thing 23:22 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, it concerns me 23:22 < rsbeq-cam> or HFS+ 23:22 < rsbeq-cam> ok, PM away 23:23 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, it has the hostname of my laptop in it 23:23 < rsbeq-cam> yues 23:23 < rsbeq-cam> *yes 23:23 < rsbeq-cam> of course 23:23 < rsbeq-cam> that's so it can tell which computer it is set up to sync with 23:23 < mdke> there is also a line with .m.a.t.t....... 23:23 < rsbeq-cam> yes 23:23 < mdke> what is that? 23:23 < rsbeq-cam> ipodname, yourname, computername 23:23 < mdke> where does it get my name from? 23:24 < rsbeq-cam> The FBI 23:24 < rsbeq-cam> Your username? 23:24 < mdke> no 23:24 < mdke> my username is mdke ;) 23:24 < mdke> >_> 23:24 < mdke> <_< 23:24 < rsbeq-cam> hm. 23:24 < rsbeq-cam> and your fullname isn't set to something else? 23:25 * rsbeq-cam shrugs 23:25 < rsbeq-cam> who knows 23:25 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, maybe my username was matt when I last synched. 23:25 < rsbeq-cam> ah 23:25 < mdke> or first synched 23:25 < rsbeq-cam> alright 23:25 < rsbeq-cam> So, what's the top look like now? 23:25 < mdke> erm 23:26 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, THAT's why there are often nulls in between characters... allowing room for 2-byte encodings 23:26 < mdke> i can't figure out how to edit 23:26 < rsbeq-cam> hehe 23:27 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, in any case it is only allowing me to edit the middle section 23:27 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, better read some instructions 23:27 < mdke> brb 23:27 < rsbeq-cam> ok 23:28 < mdke> 00000000 70 68 69 6C 6F 6D 65 6E 61 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 philomena 23:28 < mdke> 00000010 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 23:28 < mdke> perhaps i shouldn't have scrapped the ... 23:28 < rsbeq-cam> What the.. 23:28 < mdke> ;) 23:28 < rsbeq-cam> Why are there spaces? 23:28 < rsbeq-cam> 20's 23:28 < mdke> i'll get rid of those 23:29 < rsbeq-cam> here, go to #ipodlinuxflood 23:42 -!- Knibo [~erjkfdsoi@h82151162044.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 23:44 -!- Knibo [~erjkfdsoi@h82151162044.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 23:48 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:48 -!- tlg [~tlg@151-209.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 23:48 < rsbeq-cam> chungy: oops, you were right :) 23:49 < courtc> hahaha.. 23:49 < mdke> heh 23:49 < rsbeq-cam> So how do you rename FAT32 partitions? 23:50 < rsbeq-cam> My way would have worked on HFS+ :( 23:50 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, well i learnt something anyhow 23:50 < mdke> rsbeq-cam, i'm gonna have to format it huh? 23:50 < rsbeq-cam> no 23:51 < chungy> rsbeq-cam: don't know in gnu/linux or mac os x. But DOS and Windows use the label command 23:51 < rsbeq-cam> let me explore 23:52 < rsbeq-cam> grah 23:53 < rsbeq-cam> fdisk says device busy? 23:53 < rsbeq-cam> Oh I have to umount it 23:54 < rsbeq-cam> But then the device disappears :( 23:54 < mdke> >> 23:54 < mdke> my output from fdisk is in the flood channel 23:55 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:57 < rsbeq-cam> itunes just said it detected a software update for my normal harddrive 23:57 < rsbeq-cam> it says it's an ipod 23:57 < rsbeq-cam> what the hell 23:57 < mdke> omg 23:58 < mdke> the ipod is taking over your comp 23:58 < mdke> spreading... 23:58 < rsbeq-cam> heh 23:59 < rsbeq-cam> I hate mount on OSX --- Log closed Tue Jan 18 00:00:00 2005