--- Log opened Fri Jan 14 00:00:03 2005 00:05 < macPod> bleu you here? 00:07 -!- Dr_Unvisible [~stefan@dynamic-216-26-209-214.tbaytel.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:07 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@p54879223.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:10 -!- phildev [~phildev@82.232.200.150] has quit ["I'm afraid I have to sleep now..."] 00:15 -!- alexande1 is now known as alexander 00:17 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:22 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 00:37 -!- qeusa [infamous@S010600c049e695e5.vc.shawcable.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 00:37 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-121-228.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 00:38 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-217-0-48.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:39 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-217-0-48.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:39 < Jonas_NZ> sup guys 00:39 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-217-0-48.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:42 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:43 -!- casper [~shy@c-66-176-163-88.se.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:45 -!- CP_Jeff [~Jeff@24-25-208-245.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:45 -!- CP_Jeff is now known as _JeffG 00:45 -!- rsbeq-cam [~doom@pool-151-200-13-247.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:52 < Jonas_NZ> courtney, did you move the asm thing from my webserver 00:53 < courtc> yes 00:53 -!- Luke [~blindspy@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:54 < Jonas_NZ> where is it now? 00:55 < courtc> It isnt anywhere :/ I deleted it.. 00:56 < Jonas_NZ> oh ok 00:56 < Jonas_NZ> any particular reason? 00:57 < courtc> It really of any use to me.. 00:57 < Jonas_NZ> oh ok 01:03 -!- gunpowda [~gunpowda@82-45-234-226.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-"] 01:04 -!- rsbeq-cam [~doom@pool-151-200-13-247.res.east.verizon.net] has quit ["12"] 01:06 < BleuLlama> great. i gotta deal with n00bs now too. 01:06 < BleuLlama> and i *AM* one 01:06 < _JeffG> Hydra IRC sucks. 01:06 < _JeffG> =p 01:15 -!- angelfly [~angelfly@pool-68-239-30-244.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:15 -!- Luke [~blindspy@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 01:15 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 01:18 < ramp> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/haws83/hasselhoff.gif 01:25 -!- casper [~shy@c-66-176-163-88.se.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:25 -!- casper [~shy@c-66-176-163-88.se.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:47 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-121-228.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:54 < _JeffG> Ahem 01:54 < _JeffG> Ramp? 01:54 < ramp> yes? 01:54 < _JeffG> What was that picture 01:54 < ramp> absofuckinglutely hilarious 01:54 < _JeffG> =] 01:55 < _JeffG> Ok, i didnt open it is it bad 01:56 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:58 < ramp> um 01:58 < ramp> not bad 01:58 < ramp> or particularly revolting 02:02 -!- PusherRobot [tophat@ip68-0-47-146.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:02 -!- casper [~shy@c-66-176-163-88.se.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:22 < macPod> anybody good with transistors here :) 02:22 < macPod> want to make sure I solder it in correctly 02:23 -!- green1152 [green1152@c-24-20-219-171.client.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:25 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 02:28 -!- foo1 [~foo@ool-43553561.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:28 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-217-0-48.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:41 -!- Kilian [~chatzilla@ANancy-152-1-32-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 02:42 -!- Kilian [~chatzilla@ANancy-152-1-32-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 02:43 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-158-9-121.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:45 -!- qeusa [infamous@S010600c049e695e5.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:46 < qeusa> Will any C script that only relies on libs run on iPodLinux? 02:48 < qeusa> Sorry if my terminology isn't correct but please try to get a handle on what I'm trying to say :) 02:49 < normalperson> qeusa: you'll need to statically link in any libs right now, as dlopen() isn't supported 02:49 < normalperson> but yes, libs like microwindows, libFLAC, MAD work fine statically 02:50 < qeusa> Thanks :) 02:50 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-122-138.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 02:50 < qeusa> So programs written in microwindows will run in iPodLinux? 02:50 < qeusa> well, using the microwindows lib 02:51 < normalperson> qeusa: yes, podzilla is an example of that 02:52 -!- _JeffG [~Jeff@24-25-208-245.san.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:52 < qeusa> I *just* started C programming, I was wondering if the printf and puts commands are defined in the lib... 02:53 < qeusa> or are there some commands that are always available 02:53 < normalperson> qeusa: those are in the uclibc C library, those are standard and linked in by default 02:53 < normalperson> just put the appropriate #includes at the top to avoid warnings and such 02:54 < qeusa> So if I write 02:54 < qeusa> include 02:54 < qeusa> int main() 02:54 < qeusa> { 02:54 < qeusa> printf("Hello!") 02:54 < qeusa> } 02:54 < qeusa> it will work? 02:54 < normalperson> it's #include 02:54 < qeusa> yeah yeah :P 02:54 < normalperson> those .h files aren't libs, they're headers 02:55 < qeusa> oh... 02:55 < normalperson> and ; after the printf :) 02:55 < normalperson> often, headers are _associated_ with libs 02:55 < qeusa> assuming my syntax is correct, it will work? 02:55 < normalperson> qeusa: yes 02:56 < qeusa> (you dont need to write qeusa:, we're the only ones) 02:56 < normalperson> look at the podzilla source for examples, it's pretty clean 02:56 < normalperson> qeusa: it's a habit :P 02:56 < qeusa> thx 02:56 -!- qeusa [infamous@S010600c049e695e5.vc.shawcable.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:59 -!- thermos [~thermos@modemcable103.46-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 03:00 -!- thermos [~thermos@modemcable103.46-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 03:12 -!- ditesh|cassini [~eggman@60.48.220.224] has joined #ipodlinux 03:13 -!- ditesh|cassini [~eggman@60.48.220.224] has quit [Client Quit] 03:25 -!- PusherRobot [tophat@ip68-0-47-146.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [] 03:25 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:35 < macPod> lol somebody asked for a calculator.. 03:37 < normalperson> there isn't one already? 03:40 < macPod> yes! 03:41 < macPod> programmed by courtc 03:44 < normalperson> I wish courtc would get his dev environment back already 03:45 < normalperson> my ipod is like a 40GB ipodshuffle right now :) 03:45 < normalperson> without the shuffle 03:45 < Jonas_NZ> what? No screeen :P 03:45 < normalperson> Jonas_NZ: no, no useful UI 03:46 < Jonas_NZ> lol 03:46 < normalperson> basically, you can add all songs to your playlist, play, stop, pause, skip to next song... 03:48 -!- lgates_ [~lgates@dhcp024-160-204-085.ma.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:56 -!- eMacAddict [~eMacAddic@adsl-68-75-174-180.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #iPodLinux 03:56 < eMacAddict> does anyone here know about converting an app using elf2flt? 03:57 -!- angelfly [~angelfly@pool-68-239-30-244.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:59 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-122-138.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["brb"] 04:05 < BleuLlama> yeah. there's a calc... that idiot waws just an idiot, macpod. 04:05 < BleuLlama> macpod: how goes the construction? 04:05 < macPod> alright 04:06 < macPod> slow 04:06 < macPod> but alright 04:06 < macPod> except for this phone jack 04:06 < macPod> 1/8" stereo plug 04:07 < macPod> 3 prongs 04:07 < BleuLlama> what's the problem? 04:07 < macPod> well I plugged it into my ipod to see how the voltage gos 04:07 < macPod> but I cant get it to give me a reading 04:08 < macPod> I need to head out 04:08 < BleuLlama> is your meter set on AC and not DC? 04:08 < macPod> I'll be back at 12ish 04:08 < BleuLlama> okay. 04:08 < macPod> I tried, ac and dc 04:08 < BleuLlama> we'll figure it out then 04:08 < macPod> :) 04:08 < macPod> ok 04:09 -!- cohmapapphome [blahblahbl@c-67-161-71-118.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:22 -!- Jonas_NZ` [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-34-96.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 04:26 -!- lgates_ [~lgates@dhcp024-160-204-085.ma.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:27 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:34 -!- eMacAddict [~eMacAddic@adsl-68-75-174-180.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit ["peace out..."] 04:42 -!- Jonas_NZ` [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-34-96.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:59 < macPod> mk back 05:00 < BleuLlama> when you hooked up your test probe, you had it hooked up to the ground and one of the other two pins, right 05:00 < BleuLlama> ? 05:01 < macPod> yea 05:01 < macPod> where the grounder I assume is the part that you crimp onto the wires 05:02 < BleuLlama> well, often you won't see a reading since the volume is varying so much... and it's pretty low voltage too. probably less than 1 volt or so, AC 05:02 < macPod> hmm 05:02 < BleuLlama> yeah. you should see the longer crimpy looking thing for ground, then two solder tabs; one in the center (tip) and another slightly offset (ring) 05:02 < macPod> oh ac eh? 05:02 < BleuLlama> yep 05:02 < BleuLlama> but you said before you tried ac 05:02 -!- Jonas_NZ` [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-34-96.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 05:03 < ramp> what's the bash to find out how much disk space i have free? 05:03 < BleuLlama> df -k 05:03 < macPod> I did 05:04 < ramp> thanks 05:04 < BleuLlama> np 05:04 < BleuLlama> well, just run with it, build the widget and try it out 05:04 < BleuLlama> you might want to replace the IR led with a regular LED for testing, so you can see if it lights up or not 05:05 < macPod> Oh I am 05:05 < macPod> parts were somewhat expensive 05:05 < macPod> would buy them online next time 05:05 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:05 < BleuLlama> yup. radio shack is massively overpriced 05:06 < BleuLlama> one of the reasons they suck major ass 05:06 < macPod> Meh. I can just try to make some money off of it :P 05:06 < BleuLlama> think i'll just buy one of those griffin ones for $16 05:06 < macPod> they are not powered 05:06 < macPod> so very little range 05:07 < BleuLlama> i'll throw a lens in front of it; i'm never more than 10 feet from my tv anyway 05:07 < macPod> yea, I'm going to have a bit of trouble with this one 05:07 < macPod> the reciever I do nto believe is coated 05:07 < macPod> so the sun will affect it 05:17 -!- nilss [nils@pD958CBEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:17 < BleuLlama> just program it out of direct sunlight and you'll be fine 05:17 -!- wbniv [~wbniv@user-0c6t0e2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:17 < macPod> hey I do have a soldering q 05:17 < BleuLlama> ? 05:17 < macPod> I have a board with copper on one side 05:18 < macPod> how should I connect two components? make a solder bridge? 05:18 < macPod> that sounds crummy 05:18 < macPod> but what I am doing :) 05:18 < BleuLlama> RS part number? 05:18 < macPod> 276-149 05:19 < BleuLlama> k 05:19 < BleuLlama> wehn you push the compnonets through the board, bend over their leads, and use those to connect to other pads and leads 05:19 < macPod> kk 05:19 < macPod> if I do make solder bridges is that ok? 05:20 < BleuLlama> there's usually a coating on the wax side though, you need to scrub it with a brillo pad first to make sure you get good solder bonding 05:20 < BleuLlama> it's probably okay, but using the leads (or short pieces of wire) will be easier and less aggravating 05:35 < macPod> with transistors 05:35 < macPod> the arrow points to + right? 05:36 < macPod> or rather the arrow is the emitter 05:38 < BleuLlama> depends on the transistor 05:38 < BleuLlama> look up the package online 05:38 < macPod> hmm 05:39 < macPod> dunno with these 05:40 < macPod> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F011%5F002%5F017%5F000&product%5Fid=276%2D1617&site=search 05:42 < macPod> I think I have it on correct 05:43 < BleuLlama> well, you should ave a 2n2222 in there, right? 05:43 < Jonas_NZ`> macPod what are you trying yo do 05:43 < Jonas_NZ`> to do * 05:43 < BleuLlama> just look up the 2n2222 and it should give you the pinout 05:43 < macPod> I did 05:43 < macPod> does not look the same, but it is the same pinout 05:43 < macPod> jonas - making a ir sender 05:50 < BleuLlama> the 2n2222 comes in a few different package styles, i believe, make sure you use the right one 05:51 < macPod> too late ;P 05:51 < macPod> I'm pretty sure I got it right 05:52 < macPod> if not, thats more practice with the desoldering braid 05:52 -!- veteran_BAH [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 05:52 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:52 -!- veteran_BAH is now known as veteran 05:56 -!- Jonas_NZ` [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-34-96.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] --- Log closed Fri Jan 14 06:03:56 2005 --- Log opened Fri Jan 14 06:08:34 2005 06:08 -!- _ipodstats [dpalffy@rainstorm.omikk.bme.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:11 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.93] has joined #ipodlinux 06:11 < EvilDude> hey people 06:12 < Circa2k> hi! 06:13 < EvilDude> I need someone with a bit of free time to help me test my mod to podzilla, someone with a compiler and can test on iPod 06:13 < EvilDude> would that be you circa2k :P? 06:15 < EvilDude> anyone? 06:15 < Circa2k> na, not me 06:16 < Circa2k> im just here for new about 4gs :) 06:16 < Circa2k> news* 06:16 < EvilDude> lol damn 06:16 < EvilDude> I wish I was at home but I'm on a holiday with grandparents and dont have my dev tools =\ 06:17 -!- Wammy| [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:17 < EvilDude> hey 06:17 -!- Wammy| [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:18 < EvilDude> circa2k, do you have any access to cvs at least? 06:18 -!- Wammy|2k [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:19 < veteran> hm this is sounding good 06:19 < veteran> recording a song =D 06:19 < EvilDude> veteran!! woot you have dev tools :P 06:19 < EvilDude> please help me :p 06:20 < veteran> k gotta run in 10 mins 06:20 < EvilDude> ok well can you get latest podzilla cvs and send me tar 06:20 < veteran> ... ok? 06:20 < veteran> you on xp? 06:20 < EvilDude> (I dont have any dev tools :() 06:20 < EvilDude> 2k and not my comp 06:20 < EvilDude> no cygwin nothing 06:20 < EvilDude> I feel so alone :p 06:20 < veteran> haha poor guy 06:21 < EvilDude> I've made a patch for song queueing 06:21 < veteran> oh you wrote the drawing app right? 06:21 < EvilDude> no no 06:21 < veteran> who was that ha 06:21 < EvilDude> Thats Yorgle / BleuLlama 06:21 < veteran> ah ok so that's who yorgle is 06:22 < EvilDude> I'm trying to test my song queing but I cant test it with podzilla 06:22 < EvilDude> so I wanna at least merge in what I can and then get someone else to test 06:22 < EvilDude> although that prob wont be you seeing I cant merge it in 10 min i think 06:23 < veteran> =] 06:23 < EvilDude> so yeah, first step is to get latest cvs code for me :) 06:23 < EvilDude> and going through the cvs interface on sourceforge is damn slow and annoying 06:24 < veteran> agreed. 06:24 < EvilDude> thank you :) 06:25 < veteran> well i'm out, good luck wrestling with that microsoft pc 06:25 < EvilDude> lol thanks, cya 06:25 < veteran> no problem =] 06:25 < veteran> night 06:25 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit ["—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515"] 06:25 < cohmapapphome> I'll do it evil 06:25 < cohmapapphome> get it from cvs, that is 06:26 < cohmapapphome> I have 4g, and no linux on my pc yet, so I can't test or compile 06:26 < EvilDude> veteran sent me cvs dont worry 06:26 < cohmapapphome> oh, ok 06:26 < cohmapapphome> cool 06:26 < EvilDude> thanks anyway 06:26 < cohmapapphome> no problem 06:26 < cohmapapphome> do you have broadband? 06:27 < cohmapapphome> either way, you could probably get someone to give you ssh 06:27 < cohmapapphome> to their dev box 06:28 < EvilDude> no not atm :( 06:28 < EvilDude> on crap 5t6k 06:28 < EvilDude> at grandparents in another country for hols see 06:28 < EvilDude> I cant wait to get back home 06:28 < cohmapapphome> right on 06:29 < EvilDude> anyway I'll be on later, time to go cya 06:29 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.93] has quit [] 06:33 -!- Wammy|2k [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:35 -!- Wammy|2k [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:35 < macPod> alright 06:35 < macPod> it works 06:35 < macPod> but.. 06:35 < macPod> backwards 07:04 -!- bonzi [~bonzi52@S01060004e29cb034.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:08 < macPod> wait.. if this is ac voltage 07:12 < macPod> no.. that didn't work at all :) 07:22 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:23 -!- Wammy|2k [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:26 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:49 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-144-85.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 07:53 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:54 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 08:03 -!- leachbj_ is now known as leachbj 08:03 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 08:03 * leachbj is back (gone 08:08:17) 08:05 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:05 < Jonas_NZ> wb leachbj 08:09 < leachbj> mornin' 08:10 < Synapse-> Evening Jonas_NZ, morning leachbj. 08:22 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-144-85.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:30 < cohmapapphome> This is awesome: http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/smartdeck/index.php 08:30 < cohmapapphome> Use the cassette deck's forward and rewind buttons to advance to the next or prior songs in the iPod playlist. Pause and stop buttons do what pause and stop buttons are expected to do. 08:35 -!- Wammy|2k [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:42 -!- Thijs [~mathijs@cc50403-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 08:42 < Thijs> goodmorning guys 08:42 < leachbj> morning 08:42 < Thijs> sorry i wasnt there yesterday evening 08:43 < leachbj> no problems 08:45 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:45 -!- tlg [~tlg@185-249.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 08:47 < normalperson> just wondering, how many people here actually care to listen to FLAC on their ipods? 08:47 -!- Thijs [~mathijs@cc50403-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:47 < leachbj> I know of 1 ;) 08:47 < normalperson> :) 08:47 < normalperson> I may just forgo the fancy UI and give my ipod all the functionality of a ipod shuffle 08:48 < normalperson> I hate doing UIs... 08:48 < normalperson> I just need a few minor tweaks to get some occasional skips out at -2, not going to bother with -5 for a bit... 08:48 < normalperson> LDM* scares me 08:49 < leachbj> i still cant think of why that code wasnt working 08:49 < normalperson> I should probably look at comparing optimized vs unoptimized code in MAD... 08:49 < normalperson> does Tremor have ARM-specific code? 08:50 < leachbj> i think a little 08:50 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-158-9-121.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit ["restarting x - damn fonts"] 08:50 < normalperson> and tremor still runs slowly... 08:50 < normalperson> as does MAD 08:50 < leachbj> yeah the intel code is pretty optimised 08:51 < normalperson> I wonder if there are some more kernel-level optimizations to be tapped 08:51 < ramp> i have a noob-zor question 08:51 < normalperson> we could probably pull the 2.4 O(1) scheduler out and see if that helps 08:52 < leachbj> i think those type of changes will only have minimal effect 08:52 < ramp> if amd and intel use different instruction sets, why is it that windows can run on both? 08:52 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-158-9-121.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:52 < leachbj> ramp: and this has what to do with ipodlinux? ;) 08:52 < normalperson> probably worth a try, but then again, the current O(n) implementation is fast if n is small, and n _better_ be small on the ipod 08:53 < ramp> well, do you know the answer or not? 08:53 < ramp> i was pretty sure that you would 08:54 < leachbj> amd both share the same instruction set (x86 compatible) do they not? and they just have different additional features.. afaik 08:54 < ramp> so then why can say an amd clocked at 1.7ghz perform the same as an intel clocked at say 2.8ghz ? 08:55 < normalperson> yeah, you can compile processor-specific code and detect and run it at runtime, libFLAC does that :) 08:55 < normalperson> ramp: in layman's terms, AMD chips work harder than Intel ones 08:55 < courtc> haha 08:55 < leachbj> better work ethic? 08:55 < ramp> harder and longer? 08:55 < coob> ramp: they accept the same instructions (well, some different extensions like mmx/3dnow/sse) but deal with them in different ways 08:56 < leachbj> perhaps they just stay /on topic/? 08:56 < courtc> leachbj- that must be it.. 08:57 < normalperson> ARM chips have a 3-stage pipeline, so the penalty for jumping isn't *that* huge, Intel P4s on the other hand... 08:57 < normalperson> I forget the exact number, but I think it was >10 08:59 < ramp> pipeline? 08:59 < ramp> doesn't that refer to the number of things it can handle at once? 08:59 < ramp> ie a 6800 has 16 pipelines? 09:00 < leachbj> the _pp5002_ uses an arm core which has a 3 stage pipeline 09:00 < leachbj> which means as one instruction is executing, one is decoding, and another is being fetched from memory 09:01 < courtc> a 16 stage pipeline? wow.. I'd like to see that... 09:01 < normalperson> courtc: yeah, I even hear some of those things have FPUs 09:01 < normalperson> and even MMUs 09:02 < normalperson> they're all sophisticated 09:03 < normalperson> some of them can even decode Ogg-Vorbis in real-time! 09:08 < courtc> haha 09:09 < leachbj> we'll also need a userland check for which hardware we are on... 09:10 < leachbj> courtc: cool 09:16 -!- puzzl [~ivan@adsl-68-122-29-43.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:16 -!- puzzl [~ivan@adsl-68-122-29-43.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 09:18 < courtc> leachbj- whats involved in compiling microwindows for a mini-x11 display? 09:18 < courtc> I saw some mini stuff somewhere in there 09:18 < leachbj> just change the config, the settings are in there already just need to switch 09:19 < leachbj> in config.ipod_x11, search for MINI 09:20 < leachbj> just switch the if I guess 09:20 < courtc> ok.. 09:23 < normalperson> courtc: it's pretty easy, just start nano-X on your desktop and podzilla will run on it 09:24 < normalperson> even I've managed that part 09:24 < courtc> ... 09:24 < courtc> Um... thanks normalperson 09:24 < normalperson> wait, mini? 09:24 < courtc> yes.. mini 09:25 < normalperson> ok, I have no idea what that means 09:25 < courtc> I've got it set up.. :) 09:25 < normalperson> it's like my eyes have a built-in grep -v for things I don't know 09:25 < normalperson> or care about 09:25 < courtc> haha.. 09:25 < normalperson> and yes, I'm still confused as to what exactly itunes does... 09:26 < normalperson> btw, I browsed apple.com/ipod for the first time last night 09:31 < courtc> haha.. my makefile is soo messed up.. 09:33 < courtc> I'm gonna start submitting patches for the mini tonight 09:33 < normalperson> is this the ipod mini? 09:33 < courtc> yep 09:33 < normalperson> userspace works on minis? 09:34 < Synapse-> The mini has been cracked aswell? 09:34 < courtc> not yet people... 09:34 < normalperson> how many pixels is it? 09:34 < normalperson> actually, I don't even know the number of pixels on the 3g 09:34 < courtc> we're just getting prepared for it.. 09:35 < courtc> 138x110 vs. 160x128 09:37 -!- wbniv [~wbniv@user-0c6sn2o.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ipodlinux 09:37 < cohmapapphome> courtc, fyi I gave up on the gentoo install and I'm almost done with a mandrake install. Your help was very valuable, though, and thank you!! 09:38 < Synapse-> Mandrake-- 09:38 < courtc> cohmapapphome- haha.. I'm sorry it didnt work out for ya.. 09:38 < Synapse-> Gentoo > debian > * 09:38 < coob> crux > * 09:39 < courtc> arch > crux 09:39 < courtc> leachbj- whats the plan for mini detection ? 09:39 < cohmapapphome> There was so much compiling, you know. I didn't want to end up compiling every thing I wanted to install. 09:40 < courtc> yea, that part is a pain... 09:40 < leachbj> courtc: for microwindows its already built-in, the framebuffer reports the correct size and you're set 09:41 < leachbj> but we also need it for things like the recording function, and in the ipod library to make the clicker work 09:41 < normalperson> btw, what quality/format does podzilla record at? 09:42 < courtc> I was thinking for things like 5 menu items vs 6 on the menu... 09:42 < normalperson> I need to renable write access in my fstab 09:42 < normalperson> reenable* 09:42 < normalperson> the thought to record some concerts with my ipod crossed my mind 09:43 < normalperson> but somehow, I think I'll leave that to guys with DATs and expensive mics :) 09:44 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/pzmini.png 09:46 < leachbj> courtc: well for that you can just check the size of the screen reported from microwindows? 09:47 < courtc> you're so smot 09:47 < courtc> thats why we elected you emperor 09:48 < leachbj> thats the first time someones ever called me smot ;) 09:48 < courtc> haha.. 09:50 < cohmapapphome> ok, linux is up and running on my old pc. WOOHOO! 09:50 < cohmapapphome> To start working on Podzilla, do I need to build the kernel, too, or just podzilla? 09:50 < leachbj> just podzilla 09:51 < cohmapapphome> okey dokey 09:51 < leachbj> there are instructions on the wiki now that are pretty up to date I think 09:51 < cohmapapphome> yep, looking at them now 09:51 < cohmapapphome> I had a dev environment set up in a virtual pc HD, but my trial ran out 09:51 < cohmapapphome> so I should be able to get it going again on this box 09:51 < coob> http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/smartdeck/ 09:52 < coob> goddamn that's cool 09:52 < cohmapapphome> yeah, I noticed that today. rew and fwd on the tape deck work for the ipod 09:52 < cohmapapphome> totally AWESOME! 09:52 < leachbj> I want the same but in a CD format ;) 09:53 < cohmapapphome> that WOULD be cool 09:53 < courtc> Yea, a cd adapter would be cool.. probably quite interesting also.. 09:55 < normalperson> I think I'll implement something that should save memory and stack usage in mpd this weekend... 09:59 < normalperson> courtc: was the profiling stuff I did with MAD any help? 10:00 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@219-88-55-131.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 10:01 < courtc> It was.. but the functions that are taking up the most time are pretty intensive.. it'd take some major rewriting to optimize.. I'd need to set up an environment for quick libmad profiling.. 10:03 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has joined #ipodlinux 10:03 < normalperson> same with FLAC__bitbuffer_read_rice_signed_block... 10:03 < normalperson> no idea how to optimize that one 10:03 < normalperson> lpc_restore_signal is easy if I knew why ldm* doesn't work 10:06 < cohmapapphome> linux newb question: how do I permanently alter my PATH to include /usr/local/bin? is it .bashrc? 10:07 < courtc> normalperson- how are you doing your profiling of flac for arm? 10:08 < normalperson> I'm not doing it on the arm, I'm doing it on my x86 and approximating it on the arm 10:08 < courtc> cohmapapphome- are you using bash? 10:08 < cohmapapphome> yep 10:10 < courtc> then .bashrc should work fine.. you can also put it in /etc/profile for login shells 10:10 < cohmapapphome> ok, cool. Thanks! 10:10 < courtc> np 10:11 < courtc> normalperson- appoximating == guessing? 10:11 < normalperson> courtc: always :) 10:12 < courtc> :D so how are you profiling flac? through mpd? because that seems like a bit of overkill... 10:12 < normalperson> courtc: yes 10:12 < normalperson> well, the flacWrite function in mpd is pretty heavy 10:15 -!- Mayoral [ask@200.Red-80-26-118.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:17 < cohmapapphome> This line cp -r tools/microwindows ~/ipodlinux/microwindows in the docs actually seems to create a microwindows directory underneath ~/ipodlinux/microwindows 10:18 < cohmapapphome> meaning ~/ipodlinux/microwindows/microwindows 10:18 < cohmapapphome> fyi 10:19 < courtc> yea, it should be 'cp -r tools/microwindows ~/ipodlinux/' 10:20 < cohmapapphome> so, it's ok for it to overwrite stuff, right? 10:20 < courtc> thats the idea :) 10:20 < cohmapapphome> :-) 10:24 -!- RichiH [richih@richih.staff.freenode] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:25 < courtc> :/ macPod.. you can't spell lose.. 10:26 < courtc> http://so2.sys-techs.com/ipod/tttloose.png 10:27 < courtc> is it supposed to be like an extended o? 10:27 < courtc> you loooose :p 10:27 < normalperson> I think he meant something was 'loose' in your head :) 10:28 -!- RichiH [richih@richih.staff.freenode] has joined #ipodlinux 10:29 < Synapse-> Or, "You're loose" 10:29 < Synapse-> :P 10:29 < courtc> hahah 10:29 < normalperson> heh 10:30 < cohmapapphome> build error - automake: command not found 10:30 < courtc> cohmapapphome- install automake/autoconf 10:32 < normalperson> speaking of autotools, has anybody considered improving the build system for podzilla to make it more modular? (either with autotools, or something more exotic like package-framework, cons, scons, etc...) 10:33 < leachbj> normalperson: whats that? did I read that you're offering to create a real build system for podzilla?? cool thanks ;) 10:33 < normalperson> haha leachbj :) 10:33 < normalperson> I've considered it 10:34 < courtc> I think we figured it be more like drilling a hold in your hand than really helpful... 10:34 < normalperson> mainly because I stripped mine down to avoid having to compile the extra libs 10:34 < normalperson> scons would be an excuse for me to learn python :) 10:34 < courtc> ooh.. python.. 10:34 < leachbj> you keep your pythons away from my makefiles! 10:35 < normalperson> one part of me hates python, the other part of me still wants to learn it 10:35 < normalperson> fine, package-framework >:) 10:35 < courtc> ditto, love-hate sucks... 10:36 < normalperson> in Tom Lord I trust... 10:36 < courtc> leachbj- you have an aversion towards python? 10:36 < cohmapapphome> I think I'm going to have to learn how to use rpm 10:36 < cohmapapphome> to get automake 10:36 < cohmapapphome> :-) 10:36 < courtc> ahh 10:36 < leachbj> only for build systems 10:37 < normalperson> autotools is scary, package-framework is immature, and unsuitable for dynamic library detection atm.. 10:38 < coob> code your own 10:38 < normalperson> dunno about cons (it's perl) 10:38 < normalperson> coob: always an option :) 10:38 < normalperson> the hardest part is library detection/manual overriding 10:39 < normalperson> unless we ship microwindows and all the other libs with podzilla 10:39 < courtc> my ipodlinux lib directory structure is much cleaner than leachbj's :p 10:40 < courtc> or at least mine makes sense to me :) 10:41 < normalperson> I may just steal the mp3.c interface for nano-mpc (my mpd client) 10:41 < courtc> normalperson- I thought you wanted me to do it ;) 10:42 < courtc> you need to make up your mind 10:42 < normalperson> courtc: I do, except I didn't think you were going to do it... 10:42 < normalperson> I'll work on fine-tuning mpd, then 10:42 < normalperson> I may even support musepack files 10:43 < ramp> what's the command to restart samba? 10:43 < courtc> normalperson- how about you make it.. then I'll hack it up so its not recognizable anymore and distribute it as my own :) 10:43 < Synapse-> ramp: on what? 10:44 < normalperson> courtc: fine, then I've already made mine 10:44 < courtc> kill -HUP sambaprocess 10:44 < ramp> freebsd 10:44 < normalperson> my UI skills are so amazingly lacking 10:45 < courtc> /etc/rc.d/samba restart ? 10:45 < ramp> don't worry about it 10:46 < courtc> maybe /usr/ports/etc/rc.d/samba restart ? 10:46 < ramp> it's definitely not that 10:47 < coob> killall -HUP smbd 10:47 < ramp> kk 10:47 < ramp> thanks 10:47 < courtc> cause on netbsd it'd be /usr/pkg/etc/rc.d/samba restart dunno how ports works... 10:48 < ramp> ports are a bunch of sources you can compile 10:48 < courtc> ... 10:48 < courtc> yea.. I know.. 10:50 -!- Jonas_NZ-is-on-H [~supybot@cpe-069-133-009-160.cinci.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 10:51 -!- Jonas_NZ-is-on-H [~supybot@cpe-069-133-009-160.cinci.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:51 < courtc> the thing i didnt know was where it installed to.. with pkgsrc everything gets installed in /usr/pkg.. but enough of that 10:52 < coob> ramp you cna cause it to reread the config without restarting 10:52 < coob> man smbcontrol 10:53 < courtc> coob- thats usually what a HUP signal will make it do 10:54 < coob> yeah there's a more 'proper' way to do it tho 10:54 -!- Jonas_NZ-on-Hol [~On-Vacati@cpe-069-133-009-160.cinci.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 10:55 < courtc> proper shmoper.. they both send the process a signal and that signal makes it read the config 10:55 < leachbj> any 4g people online? 10:55 < courtc> theres nothing magical about 'remote-control' apps 10:56 < Jonas_NZ> leachbj, yeah 10:56 < leachbj> if you reboot your ipod, when the apple comes up do you see it brighter/darker if the power is in/out? 10:56 < Jonas_NZ> 1 sec 10:57 < Jonas_NZ> not really 10:57 < Jonas_NZ> but my battery is full at the moment 10:57 < Jonas_NZ> y? 10:57 < leachbj> just trying to work out some code... i think its setting the contrast differently for the differnet ipod models but also if the charger is in 10:57 < leachbj> it might only show up for the apple icon... 10:58 < cohmapapphome> I'm 4G 10:58 < cohmapapphome> ipod is turned off near full batt 10:58 < normalperson> wow, I just saw an ipodlinux dev _asking_ for a 4g user... 10:58 * normalperson faints 10:58 < courtc> haha 10:59 < Jonas_NZ> leachbj let me check it out more closely 10:59 < leachbj> thats my remote testing ;) 10:59 < Jonas_NZ> give me a sec 10:59 < leachbj> ta 10:59 < cohmapapphome> how do you reboot 4g? 10:59 < leachbj> ok+menu 11:01 < Jonas_NZ> na i dont see a difference 11:01 < cohmapapphome> reboots on batt and charger seem the same 11:01 < leachbj> ok thanks, its not so important these things generally come clear in the end... 11:02 < Jonas_NZ> leachbj, do you mind if you leave my bot in here for a week while im on holiday, just to see if it will send me the logs via email to my phone 11:02 < Jonas_NZ> im curious to see if it will work 11:02 < leachbj> haha... its no problem for me... 11:03 < leachbj> i'm going to be away from sunday so they be pretty boring anyhow ;) 11:03 < Jonas_NZ> where are you going? 11:03 < leachbj> spain for a week 11:03 < Jonas_NZ> work or play ? 11:03 < courtc> haha.. naw, we'll party 11:03 < leachbj> play 11:03 < courtc> and work.. on RE ;) 11:04 < leachbj> yeah hopefully I'll get some more done 11:04 < Jonas_NZ> courtc, yesterday you shut me down for making a similar suggestion after davidc__ left 11:04 < cohmapapphome> installing automake was pretty painless 11:04 < Jonas_NZ> and now you change your mind 11:05 < courtc> yea.. but i'm an op.. I can joke about parties.. ;) 11:05 < courtc> err.. I can be an op at least 11:05 < Jonas_NZ> anyway im off to relax on the beach for a week and a bit so cyaz all then, might be here quickly tommorow before i head off but i doubt it 11:06 < courtc> see ya Jonas_NZ 11:06 < leachbj> enjoy! 11:06 < cohmapapphome> don't get sand in your dock connector 11:06 < courtc> haha 11:06 < Jonas_NZ> and when i get back i hope there more working with the 4g 11:07 < Jonas_NZ> and cohmapapphome i think im gonna use the case 11:07 < Jonas_NZ> i just brought 11:07 < Jonas_NZ> cyas 11:08 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@219-88-55-131.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["Im off the bed and then to the BEACH! yehaaaaaa"] 11:11 < cohmapapphome> ok, built podzilla (for the ipod target) 11:14 -!- wbniv [~wbniv@user-0c6sn2o.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 11:14 -!- strestout1_ [~strestout@nc-65-41-234-190.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 11:14 -!- cohmapappWork [~cohmapapp@corporate.homestead-inc.com] 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-!- mode/#ipodlinux [+ooo Luke leachbj macPod ] by irc.freenode.net 11:26 < wbniv> is there a cvs commit mailing list? (that cvs emails when someone checks something in). sf lags up to 24 hours for anon cvs 11:26 < cohmapapphome> is rpmfind.net a real company? 11:26 < cohmapapphome> If I install something from it, is it likely to not be a trojan? 11:28 < courtc> cohmapapphome- they are not a company, but from what i've seen their packages are fine.. 11:28 < cohmapapphome> cool, thanks 11:35 < Synapse-> Yuck, rpms.... 11:36 < courtc> wbniv, try.. http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipodlinux-cvslog you _should_ be able to subscribe... if not holler 11:38 < cohmapapphome> Why do I have to follow the dependancy chain and get all these rpms? Shouldn't the os do that for me? 11:38 < courtc> only if you're using a good one ;) 11:38 < cohmapapphome> lol 11:39 < cohmapapphome> like gentoo? 11:39 < cohmapapphome> :-) 11:39 < wbniv> cohmapapphome, thanks that's what i was looking for (it's not listed on sf, i guess because it's "protected"?) 11:39 < courtc> I think there is an apt for mandrake.. 11:39 < cohmapapphome> apt? 11:40 < courtc> Apt is a Debian tool used to manage packages 11:41 < courtc> mandrake has something of its own though.. urpmi iirc 11:43 < wbniv> k, i am subscribed, ta 11:43 < courtc> yup 11:43 < wbniv> bummer, when i try to access the archives, i get this: 11:43 < wbniv> Access to this page is restricted (either to project members or to project administrators) and you do not meet the requirements to access this page. Please contact the administrator of this project for further assistance. 11:44 < wbniv> are permissions set too high for that list or is it on purpose ? 11:44 < leachbj> wbniv: not on purpose, i'm just looking 11:44 < leachbj> that list just has emails showing the diffs etc.. you can get that info from cvs directly 11:45 < wbniv> except it can take up to 24 hours to propogate to the anon cvs 11:45 < wbniv> but yeah, for prev checkins 11:46 < nilss> re 11:46 -!- nilss [nils@pD958CBEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 11:46 -!- nilss [nils@2001:6f8:1226:1:0:0:d95d:3544] has joined #ipodlinux 11:47 < courtc> wbniv- last commit was: 12 Jan 2005 19:51:03 should be in anon cvs by now... 11:48 < courtc> hey nilss 11:49 < leachbj> wbniv: prev checkins can be seen with cvs log 11:50 < wbniv> y, sorry, i was agreeing with you that the archive didn't matter for prev checkins, and new one's don't matter because i'm now on the list 11:50 < leachbj> ah ok. 11:50 < wbniv> anyone here compiled the kernel on a mac ? 11:50 < leachbj> hmmm the archive is set to public.. 11:51 < wbniv> i'm compiling now, but i'm getting errors about /sbin/genksyms missing 11:51 < leachbj> i think in either the mailing list archive or the forums there are some tips 11:52 < cohmapapphome> installing urpmi now 11:52 < cohmapapphome> well, configuring 11:52 < courtc> fre_ber- around? 11:55 < fre_ber> Kind of... 11:56 < fre_ber> Working hard on my homework for next week's meeting in Geneva.. I have ad two and a half month to do it, I started yesterday... How typical.. 11:57 < fre_ber> s/ad/had 11:57 < courtc> what do you use to specify the length that the bullets in Steroids go? a fixed number? 11:57 < fre_ber> A fixed number of "frames", that is number of times the timer goes off. 11:58 < fre_ber> It is defined in shot.h 11:58 < courtc> oh.. alright.. That could prove to be a little more difficult to modify for the mini then.. 11:59 < fre_ber> Should it depend on the size of the screen? 12:00 -!- wbniv [~wbniv@user-0c6sn2o.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:00 < courtc> well if you aim up or down your bullets wrap around and go through you.. 12:00 -!- Mayoral [ask@200.Red-80-26-118.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps"] 12:00 < courtc> just seems kinda like shooting yourself 12:01 < fre_ber> Yes, I noticed that. But there is some code that is currently commented out - I haven't tested it, but it is supposed to make the ship chrash on it's own shots.. ;) 12:02 < fre_ber> I suppose one could test some different values and wrap an #if around that define to make it better suited for the various screens. 12:03 < courtc> that would certainly not work on the mini.. although I must say of all the games your's is the only one thats still completely playable in a mini-sized screen, barring tictactoe 12:03 < fre_ber> Really? Why is that? Do they use fixed size windows? 12:03 < courtc> yup.. 12:04 < fre_ber> Hmm... 12:04 -!- Duckula [overflow@pD9E6890E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:04 < fre_ber> I was rather amazed that it worked in the huge window that appeared when I ran podzilla under x11.. ;) 12:04 < courtc> :) 12:05 < fre_ber> I didn't even think about it when coding.. 12:05 < courtc> #if's wont work in this situation.. one binary to rule them all.. 12:06 < courtc> :D 12:06 < fre_ber> Of course... I forgot about Sauron.... 12:07 < courtc> anywho, I'll see what i can hack up.. 12:07 < courtc> unless you have the time.. 12:08 < fre_ber> Unfortunately, not today. I think that shot_animate or something in shot.c is where you need to do something. 12:08 -!- wbniv [~wbniv@user-0c6sn2o.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ipodlinux 12:09 < courtc> bah, the mini isnt going to be working by tomorrow... time is on our sides.. :) 12:09 < fre_ber> :) 12:09 < cohmapapphome> lol 12:11 < cohmapapphome> what is the best way to back up a linux box, anyway? Login as root and burn a disk? 12:11 < cohmapapphome> or disks 12:11 < cohmapapphome> :-) 12:16 < courtc> daily rsync -> another machine -> tar -> backup media(tapes) 12:16 < cohmapapphome> cool. I never want to do THIS again! 12:17 < cohmapapphome> The document is great though 12:17 -!- wbniv is now known as wbniv|away 12:17 < cohmapapphome> every time i hit a snag, the doc says something like - ensure you have g++.... 12:17 < cohmapapphome> thank god 12:24 < courtc> hmm.. leachbj, whats the easiest way to pass the kernel a parameter? 12:27 < leachbj> ipod? in .config search for root= 12:27 < courtc> alright thx.. 12:28 < leachbj> why? 12:30 < courtc> I've been thinking of doing a 'bootsplash' kindof thing.. 12:30 < courtc> but i do alot of thinking.. 12:31 < leachbj> ok cool 12:32 < courtc> thoughts? 12:33 -!- wbniv|away [~wbniv@user-0c6sn2o.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:33 < leachbj> would be nice, although quite short now... 12:34 < courtc> :) 12:43 < cohmapapphome> I can't get past this error 12:43 < cohmapapphome> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check 12:44 < cohmapapphome> this is for libitunesdb in the desktop podzilla build 12:44 < cohmapapphome> I installed gcc, g++, cpp, etc 12:45 < fre_ber> I totally gave up on compiling libitunesdb for the desktop... Crazy stuff... :( 12:45 -!- radim [~xburge03@homeinternet-pv.infos.cz] has joined #ipodlinux 12:45 < ramp> the fuck 12:45 < ramp> they're playing britney spears down the road 12:46 < cohmapapphome> fre, don't I need it in order to build podzilla for the desktop? 12:47 < fre_ber> I commented out several things in podzilla to make it run without it. 12:47 -!- radim [~xburge03@homeinternet-pv.infos.cz] has left #ipodlinux [] 12:47 < cohmapapphome> hmmm 12:47 < fre_ber> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla_for_the_Desktop_in_Windows/Cygwin 12:48 < fre_ber> podzilla section 1.4 and 3, I think 12:49 < fre_ber> Heh, and a few more sections... ;) 12:49 < cohmapapphome> Will it still run in microwindows on X? 12:49 < fre_ber> Yes. 12:49 < fre_ber> But the music menu won't be there. ;) 12:50 < cohmapapphome> sounds good to me! 12:50 < cohmapapphome> fre, are you building on linux or windows? 12:50 < fre_ber> Windows 12:50 < fre_ber> Cygwin 12:50 < cohmapapphome> that's interesting 12:54 < fre_ber> I was hoping that some people would follow my instructions for compiling under Cygwin and come up with some imporvements of the instructions. The goal would be to merge that page with macPod's page. (I think it was macPod who wrote the other page ;) ) 12:55 < cohmapapphome> cool. I've been working on getting a linux build going, but I prefer XP in general 12:56 < fre_ber> There are only two reasons for me to saty with Windows - the software I need to work at home only works in Windows and the games... If it wasn't for those, I would go Linux in no-time. ;) 12:57 < fre_ber> s/saty/stay 13:05 -!- Duckula [overflow@pD9E6890E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:17 < cohmapapphome> wow 13:17 < cohmapapphome> turns out g++ did not install when I told it to 13:18 < cohmapapphome> this is confusing 13:18 < cohmapapphome> anyway, configure itunesdb works for me now 13:19 < fre_ber> I don't remember how far I went with itunesdb, but I think I got configure to work as well, but it still wouldn't compile. :( 13:20 < cohmapapphome> maybe that's a windows-only problem. Just finished on this linux box. 13:21 < fre_ber> Very likely. 13:37 < cohmapapphome> ok, can't get podzilla to build anymore 13:37 < cohmapapphome> for ipod or desktop 13:37 < cohmapapphome> I'll have to figure it out tomorrow 13:37 < cohmapapphome> must sleep 13:37 < cohmapapphome> Thanks for your help everyone! 13:43 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@p50829E59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:43 < Jack_MD> hi 13:48 < fre_ber> hi 13:54 < Jack_MD> do you know how I can format a disk under linux (I want to have fat16/32(msdos) format) 13:54 < Jack_MD> ? 13:57 < fre_ber> Hmm, I'm sure that you can, unfortunately I'm not sure how to do it. :( 13:59 < fre_ber> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/FAT32 ? 13:59 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 14:01 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:02 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:04 -!- Luke [~blindspy@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has quit ["" the GPL doesn't support hazing""] 14:04 -!- Luke [~blindspy@tark-b-038.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 14:04 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 14:05 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o courtc ] by Luke 14:05 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v macPod ] by Luke 14:17 -!- Duckula [overflow@pD9E690BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:22 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has quit [] 14:25 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has joined #ipodlinux 14:34 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EE9A1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:37 -!- fre_ber_ [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #iPodLinux 14:38 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit [Client Quit] 14:38 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EE9A1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:43 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@p50829E59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:43 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:15 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:16 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:20 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ipodlinux [] 15:22 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 15:23 -!- Wammy|2k [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:23 -!- cohmapappWork [~cohmapapp@corporate.homestead-inc.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:24 -!- Dr_Unvisible [~stefan@dynamic-216-26-209-214.tbaytel.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:27 -!- Some_Guy [~someguy@d57-211-250.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:27 < Some_Guy> Hey all. 15:28 < leachbj> hi 15:29 < Some_Guy> Has anyone made any drivers, that could possibly support an external harddrive via usb/firewire? 15:30 < leachbj> you mean to plug into the ipod? 15:30 < Some_Guy> Yeah. 15:31 < leachbj> the sbp2 driver (firewire disks) kinda works but it was quite buggy and slow last time I was messing with it 15:32 < Some_Guy> Really eh? Do you have any links I could go off and read please? 15:32 < leachbj> try searching on the forums for sbp2 15:32 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:33 < Some_Guy> Great, thanks leachbj. 15:34 < leachbj> np 15:34 < Some_Guy> Hows it going? 15:36 < leachbj> it = ? 15:37 < Some_Guy> You leachbj.. in general :P 15:38 < leachbj> ah... I'm well. keeping busy, not having any luck with finding the ide irq for 4g :( 15:39 < Some_Guy> Good to hear. no luck at all with it?.. how far off is it from the pp5020?.. In realitive means, or totaly different? 15:41 < leachbj> we have a basic kernel booting, lcd seems to work... ide is detected but won't go without the irq being identified 15:41 < JonAn> and for example, will it be feasible to connect something like an iSight to the iPod and store the video stream to the disk? will the disk have enough brandwidth to store so much data? 15:41 < leachbj> no isight wont work 15:41 < leachbj> no hardware support for firewire video or audio 15:41 < JonAn> ouch 15:41 < JonAn> :D 15:44 < JonAn> I thougth that iSight was used throught the raw1394 interface 15:44 < leachbj> search for isight in the forums 15:45 < JonAn> I didn't notice that there were posts in the forum about this :) 15:46 < JonAn> leachbj, thx :) 15:46 < Some_Guy> aye, lol. Just gota get pointed in the right direction ;). 15:54 -!- SmsMaster [SmsMasters@i-195-137-42-87.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:54 < SmsMaster> I have an iPod Photo 40gb, how can I help with this project 15:56 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has joined #ipodlinux 15:57 -!- mogorman [~mogorman@216.207.244.182] has joined #ipodlinux 15:58 < Some_Guy> Nice :). I will be getting one soon, and hopefully doing the same. 15:59 < leachbj> SmsMaster: it depends what can you do? 16:04 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 16:07 < JonAn> leachbj, so I guess that the firewire feature lacked to implement the video/audio protocols would be the isochronous capability, isn' it? 16:07 < leachbj> yup 16:07 < Some_Guy> Wow leachbj, I read the piezo buzzer story... I'm pretty dam impressed. 16:07 < JonAn> :) 16:07 < Some_Guy> I gota head out though, talk to you guys later. 16:07 -!- Some_Guy [~someguy@d57-211-250.home.cgocable.net] has quit ["leaving"] 16:10 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:14 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@p50829E59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:20 < SmsMaster> what do u want me to test/ do on my ipod photo? 16:21 < BleuLlama> Sms: know what would really help the project that you could do? 16:21 < BleuLlama> mail me your ipod photo. 16:21 < BleuLlama> thanks! -bleu 16:21 < JonAn> :DD 16:22 * BleuLlama is actually really happy with his 4g 20gb 16:23 < BleuLlama> is there a way, as a podzilla sub-program, to query to find out which ipod we're on? 16:26 < macPod> hey bleu 16:27 < macPod> I made the amp, but it works in reverse.. 16:30 < SmsMaster> bleu, where do u live 16:32 < BleuLlama> works in reverse? 16:33 < BleuLlama> sms: rochester, NY, USA 16:33 < macPod> I have an led attached 16:33 < macPod> on idle, it glows all the time, when I put audio through it, it gets dimmer according to the music 16:34 < BleuLlama> ah 16:35 < BleuLlama> email the guy who made the schematics originally... he might have a fix. 16:35 < BleuLlama> although, it really shouldn't matter 16:35 < macPod> yea.. 16:35 < BleuLlama> i believe IR detectors work on edges not on bright-dim 16:35 < macPod> it does for controlling tv's 16:35 < macPod> oh, hmm 16:35 < SmsMaster> bleu im in the UK 16:36 < BleuLlama> ok 16:36 < macPod> perhapse if I just added another transistor I could flip it? 16:36 < BleuLlama> maybe? I dunno 16:36 < macPod> or what if I flipped the current transistor? could that occur if I put it in incorrectly? 16:38 -!- sonix [~jo@pD9F54ABB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:38 < BleuLlama> it'd burn up 16:38 < BleuLlama> transistors don't work like that 16:38 < macPod> :) 16:39 < macPod> I was thinking ac voltage and thought oh! I can reverse this led and it will work 16:39 < macPod> no dice :/ 16:39 < BleuLlama> oh. no 16:40 < macPod> perhapse i'll just wire it myself 16:40 < BleuLlama> it's being driven backwards 16:40 < SmsMaster> bleu u have to pay for shipping if im gonna send it to the uSA 16:40 < BleuLlama> if you want to send it to me, for keeps, then i'll pay the shipping on it. 16:41 < BleuLlama> i was joking, but if you don't want your ipod photo, i'll gladly take it off your hands 16:42 < SmsMaster> or i cud come to NY give uthe ipod personally, and rape ur momma 16:43 < SmsMaster> in return 16:43 < BleuLlama> wtf? 16:43 < SmsMaster> ur moma's pussy for my ipod photo 16:43 -!- Wammy|2k [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:43 < BleuLlama> someone with ops kick this asshole? 16:44 -!- cohmapappWork [~cohmapapp@corporate.homestead-inc.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:44 < SmsMaster> ur the one who wanted my ipod photo 16:44 < BleuLlama> it was a simple joke, dude. you're the one who got violent about it 16:44 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:44 < SmsMaster> ok, man, sorry 16:45 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:45 < SmsMaster> well u can hit my girl if u want 16:46 < BleuLlama> um. whatever. 16:46 < sonix> hello there. Im just a noob asking about 4th gen progress, so anything going on on this topic ? 16:47 < macPod> http://ipodlinux.org/4g 16:47 < _ryan> sonix: it's stuck trying to get ide working akaict 16:47 < sonix> macPod: you still need money ? 16:48 < BleuLlama> aah. the joys of /ignore. 16:48 < macPod> By means of do I need money to assist the iPodlinux linux project get a 4g iPod, nope 16:48 < BleuLlama> i think bj has enough for a 4g. 16:49 < macPod> we raised the funds. Now, on the aspect of do I need money.. well who can resist the temptation of money :) 16:50 < sonix> i mean the project, not you 16:50 -!- SmsMaster is now known as BleuLlamaa 16:50 < BleuLlamaa> ok 16:50 < macPod> no thanks, we are good, my suggestion is if you have loose funds, donate to the tsunami relief fund 16:51 < BleuLlama> wtf is with all of this hostility? 16:51 < macPod> what a horrible tragedy.. 16:51 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@p50829E59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:51 < sonix> i did already donate for some organizations 16:51 < sonix> for the tsunami 16:51 < BleuLlamaa> Hostility? 16:51 < sonix> or against ;) 16:51 < BleuLlama> yeah, hostility; you keep private messaging me with rude comments. 16:52 < BleuLlama> grow up. 16:52 < macPod> bleullamaa quit it. This is not pre-school. 16:52 < BleuLlamaa> I am 11 though 16:53 < BleuLlamaa> How old r u all 16:53 < macPod> bleullama could be your father. 16:53 < BleuLlama> i could probably be macPod's father. heh 16:54 < BleuLlama> mac: get the spelling right; BLEULLAMAA == SMSMASTER 16:54 < BleuLlama> *** BleuLlamaa is SmsMasters@i-195-137-42-87.freedom2surf.net (SmsMasters) 16:54 < BleuLlama> *** BleuLlama is ~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu (yorgle@gmail.com) 16:55 < macPod> spelling is my weak point. I have troubles distinguising works like lose and loose. 16:55 < BleuLlamaa> Bleu r u 50? 16:55 < _ryan> Rochester Institute of Technology 16:56 < _ryan> admin is abuse@rit.edu 16:57 < BleuLlama> sms: does it matter? 16:57 < BleuLlamaa> yes 16:57 < BleuLlamaa> r u 50 16:57 < BleuLlama> ryan: yes, that would be the main computing services for the campus, but i'm actually over in imaging science... if you have a problem with me, i'd prefer you to take it up with me directly, but if you need to, email sysadmin@cis.rit.edu... *shrug* 16:58 < BleuLlama> sms: no, i'm 57. 16:58 < _ryan> BleuLlama: gah, shit, wrong one :-) 16:58 < BleuLlama> heh 17:01 < BleuLlama> ryan: he's on a dialup/dsl via freedom2surf.net but it's okay, they've got logs, and he's currently logged in via 195.137.42.87 so they know exactly which house/account is dialed in right now. 17:02 < _ryan> indeed 17:03 < BleuLlamaa> ok 17:03 -!- BleuLlamaa is now known as smsmasters 17:03 < smsmasters> what u gonna do 17:04 < smsmasters> ~ryan@dsl-212-23-25-139.zen.co.u 17:04 < smsmasters> why do u wanna know my isp 17:04 < smsmasters> U dont know my house? 17:05 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.204] has joined #ipodlinux 17:05 < EvilDude> hey people 17:05 < _ryan> dude 17:05 < smsmasters> hey 17:05 < EvilDude> any chance you have dev tools with you _ryan? 17:05 < smsmasters> what can i do with the ipod photo to help the project ppl 17:06 < _ryan> not me, someone else should be able to help 17:06 < EvilDude> i dun think you cna do much unless you're a skilled developer 17:06 < EvilDude> anyone alive that can help me compile my podzilla mod? 17:07 < smsmasters> im a noob with this 17:07 < EvilDude> well then i doubt you can do much 17:08 < smsmasters> ok 17:08 < EvilDude> so anyone alive with the ipod linux dev tools? 17:09 < BleuLlama> hey evil. i only have the podzilla build stuff going here... and not for ARM builds at that... :( 17:09 < EvilDude> oh yeah :( well Im guessing its hard to test things like shuffle and playback on linux =\ 17:10 < BleuLlama> probably... especially since i'm even one more step removed; i'm on OS X. heh 17:10 -!- smsmasters [SmsMasters@i-195-137-42-87.freedom2surf.net] has quit [] 17:10 < EvilDude> damn, I need to test my code lol 17:10 < EvilDude> I've integrated my semi song queuing (supports basic shuffle and repeat but no shuffle albums atm) 17:15 < _ryan> it sounded like there was some problem with playback - ppl were tending to boot back into the apple software to play music - what's all that about? 17:15 < fre_ber_> Even though I'm in Xygwin, I can compile podzilla. What seems to be the problem, Evil? 17:15 < fre_ber_> Cygwin 17:16 -!- sonix [~jo@pD9F54ABB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:20 < fre_ber_> Ryan: That is because playback isn't fast enough for mp3 with high bitrates. :( 17:20 < fre_ber_> >=192 kbps 17:21 -!- fre_ber_ is now known as fre_ber 17:24 < BleuLlama> with the mp3 decoder that the linux-ipod project is using, is the spectral data (or wave buffer) easy to access from a userland application (like podzilla)? 17:24 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.204] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:25 < fre_ber> Don't know. 17:25 < fre_ber> But it might - it is podzilla that does all the decoding. 17:25 < BleuLlama> okey. cool. 17:26 < fre_ber> For now... I am still hoping for that MPD thing... ;) 17:27 < BleuLlama> i just remembered a serial-based device i bought for a project years ago, that has serial (rs232) input, and outputs 24 data lines (so you can hook up LEDs to it, and have them controlled via serial; instant light show from podzilla!) 17:27 < fre_ber> Hehe... But then you also need the TTL 2 RS232 converter, can't find one for TTL levels? :) 17:28 < BleuLlama> the ttl-rs232 converter is just a MAX232 part with some small add-on parts on that... not a problem. 17:28 < fre_ber> I know, I built one. :) 17:28 < BleuLlama> (besides, i can always tap into the circuit on this thing after its max232, and just connect them directly. heh 17:29 < fre_ber> Sounds like a good idea - one less circuit to carry around.. ;) 17:29 < BleuLlama> "ITC232-A" was the chip/pic/interface thingy... 17:29 < BleuLlama> i spent $120 on that damned thing, never finishe the project i bought it for, and it's been sitting around, collecting dust for like 8 years now,. heh 17:30 < BleuLlama> http://www.rmvsys.com/itc232-a_mi.htm 17:31 * BleuLlama goes to lunch 17:32 < _ryan> fre_ber_: i guess the player is madplay? 17:32 < fre_ber> I think that it is based on libmad, yes. 17:33 < fre_ber> Previously podzilla launched madplay in a shell, if I'm not mistaken. Now it plays in it's own process. 17:33 < _ryan> shrug, it doesn't sound all that constrictive to me - i wouldn't encode higher than 192 atm anyways 17:33 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-221-165.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:34 < dolph1n> ke? 17:34 < fre_ber> My entire collection is at 192 kbit/s. :| 17:34 < Hostile> lots of mine is 160kbs VBR 17:34 < Hostile> and stuff I rip is 192 17:34 < BleuLlama> older stuff of mine is 128mp3, but more recent is 192mp3 or 128AAC 17:35 < Hostile> When I bought my iPod on ebay it came with like 1300 songs...and all that is like 56kbs 17:36 < fre_ber> 56? mv * /dev/null 17:36 < BleuLlama> "it's great! It makes me feel like i'm swimming underwater! all of the songs are all burbly!" 17:36 < BleuLlama> heh 17:36 < fre_ber> lol 17:36 < BleuLlama> and yes, "burbly" is a technical term 17:37 < BleuLlama> :p 17:37 < Hostile> lol 17:37 < fre_ber> Indeed. I know it well. 17:37 < BleuLlama> hehe 17:37 < BleuLlama> and on that note, i eat food 17:37 < fre_ber> I eat snacks. 17:37 < fre_ber> instead of dinner... 17:37 < Hostile> lol 17:37 < Hostile> I eat iPods 17:37 < Hostile> iPod shuffles 17:37 < fre_ber> expensive taste. 17:39 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:40 < Hostile> that was kinda just a joke because it says "Do not eat iPod shuffle" on the site 17:40 < fre_ber> it does? missed that. 17:41 < Hostile> Yep...small print on bottom 17:43 < fre_ber> I see it. ;) 17:44 < Hostile> lol funny huh? 17:45 < fre_ber> At least I hope that is what they were trying to be... 17:45 < Hostile> probably cuz they pictured it next to gump 17:45 < Hostile> gum* 17:46 < fre_ber> yes 17:46 < Hostile> now let me ask? who would be stupid enough to eat it? 17:46 < fre_ber> The same person that dries their cat in the microwave oven... 17:47 < Hostile> lmao 17:51 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has joined #ipodlinux 17:56 < macPod> belu bad news... 17:56 < macPod> his email is dead 17:56 < Hostile> heya macPod whats up 17:57 < macPod> hey, not much now 17:57 < Hostile> I'm bored 17:57 < fre_ber> I think that Bleu left to hunt some food. 17:57 < macPod> freber do you do circuitry? 17:58 < fre_ber> Not really. I've got slaves for that. 17:58 < macPod> hmm 17:58 < macPod> http://members.tripod.com/xexorz/schematics/irtransmit.html 17:58 < macPod> I was building that 17:58 < fre_ber> Yeah, I noticed. 17:58 < macPod> and it works, except that when it is idle, the led is on 17:58 < macPod> I wanted it off... 17:58 < macPod> I guess I'll redesign the circuit.... 17:58 < fre_ber> Hmm... Can't load that page... 17:59 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has quit [] 17:59 < fre_ber> Now it worked... 18:00 < macPod> just throw another transistor in there 18:01 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-221-165.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:03 < fre_ber> I'm afraid that I have forgotten too much of my electronics schooling to be able to assist you with that macPod. :( 18:03 < macPod> meh, it'll be an adventure 18:03 < macPod> I only hope that I do not have to do the same thing with the reciever 18:04 < fre_ber> Hehe, if you are adventurous, be prepare to learn to recognize that distinctive scent of burning silicon.. ;) 18:04 < macPod> mm.. 18:05 < macPod> I'll just plan really well 18:07 < fre_ber> :) 18:08 < fre_ber> A class mate of mine refused to use anything but green cables in our electronics laborations. He knew that scent intimately. 18:08 < macPod> all I have is green cable 18:09 < fre_ber> Good luck! 18:10 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup423.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:13 < fre_ber> Of course it is a bit different when you have a schematic. You may be safe, if you are careful.. ;) 18:14 < macPod> I'll draw them out 18:14 -!- [JA]Jimmy [NNSCRIPT@161.57.170.52] has joined #ipodlinux 18:15 < [JA]Jimmy> bah, darn no support my me ipod 18:15 < Hostile> [JA]Jimmy, what? 18:15 < fre_ber> So, you lost your dock? 18:19 < [JA]Jimmy> i have the 4g 18:19 < [JA]Jimmy> i forgot a few words...:/ 18:40 -!- [JA]Jimmy [NNSCRIPT@161.57.170.52] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:58 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:03 < BleuLlama> hmmm. 19:03 < macPod> ? 19:04 < BleuLlama> it just occurred to me that the spinner would be perfect for selecting menu options via a pie-menu or spiral menu, rather than a list... 19:04 < BleuLlama> http://www.piemenu.com/ 19:05 < macPod> eh, I think a list is better 19:05 < macPod> is there really a good advantage to a pie menu? 19:06 < BleuLlama> i dunno. 19:06 < BleuLlama> people are just used to list-based menus 19:06 < BleuLlama> i just like the idea of experimental UI concepts, to be honest 19:06 < macPod> I would agree if you could give me some benefits to the design 19:06 < BleuLlama> we've been using this whole "desktop" paradigm since the 60s... there's got to be a better concept out there. 19:07 < macPod> I'm sure there is, it involves 3d 19:07 < BleuLlama> well, it'd be easy to select things with the spinner, you want the item at 6:00, just touch the trackpad at 12:00 (or wherever the selection currently is, and spin down (either way) to 6:00 19:07 < BleuLlama> then you don't even need to look at the screen, you can just remember where things are physically with the spinner 19:08 < macPod> the ipod hardware cannot do thta 19:08 < macPod> it is only capable of telling if the wheel is moving left or righgt 19:08 < BleuLlama> but you know the delta. 19:08 < BleuLlama> and you know where the user started. 19:08 < macPod> how would you know where they started? 19:09 < piratePenguin> 'l' for left, 'r' for right.. simple 19:09 < BleuLlama> boot your ipod into diagnostic mode, select the spinner option, then just touch the trackwheel anywhere. 19:10 < BleuLlama> 95/0 is at 12:00 19:10 < BleuLlama> 48 is at 6:00 19:10 < BleuLlama> 27 at 3:00, etc. 19:10 < BleuLlama> perhaps ipod linux doesn't let you know the exact numbers, but it is in the hardware. 19:10 < BleuLlama> by the time apps get it, there's just 'l' and 'r' 19:11 < piratePenguin> how d'ya boot into diagnostic mode? 19:11 < BleuLlama> i have a 4g, (action)+(menu) until it goes blank, then (action)+(|<<) 19:11 < BleuLlama> "Wheel" is the menu option 19:11 < BleuLlama> it's on the third screen, i believe 19:12 < piratePenguin> action = the middle btn yea? 19:12 < BleuLlama> it's too bad those events don't go down to the app. 19:12 < BleuLlama> yeah 19:12 < BleuLlama> you should see the apple point the wrong way briefly, then it should go into diagnostic menu 19:13 < piratePenguin> Its too bad my ipods outta power and I cant charge it :/ 19:13 < macPod> 3g ipods do not have that functionality 19:13 < macPod> you can tell if they scroll left or right only 19:13 < BleuLlama> >> is next menu option, << is previous, play is "do this menu option" 19:13 < BleuLlama> really? that sucks. :( 19:13 < macPod> even in the debug mode 19:13 < macPod> rew, ff, select is the combo for 3g 19:13 < piratePenguin> eyp 19:13 < BleuLlama> what does the debug option show? 19:14 < macPod> hex, it increases as you scroll right, decreases as you scroll left 19:14 < macPod> called optp test 19:14 < macPod> *opto test 19:14 < BleuLlama> gotcha. 19:14 < BleuLlama> probably going back to 1g's optical based wheel. 19:14 < BleuLlama> (I'mguessing it was optical) 19:15 < macPod> mechanical! 19:15 < BleuLlama> perhaps i make too many assumptions 19:15 < leachbj> macPod: 4g's seem to be able to detect placement 19:15 < BleuLlama> yeah, but the electronic interface, i was assuming was like a mechanical mouse, with an optical windowed wheel 19:15 < leachbj> BleuLlama: that seems to be the case for all the ipods 19:16 < BleuLlama> what's that now, bj? 19:16 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup423.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has quit ["Linux is a (r)evolution. Embrace change."] 19:16 < BleuLlama> i bet that you could just do the same thing with 3g, just assume that the menu selection starts on whatever it was last set as... 19:16 < leachbj> they are optical based, even the 1g 19:16 < BleuLlama> i thought that the click wheel and touch wheel were capacitance based, like a trackpad... 19:18 < BleuLlama> okay. crap. i gotta finish vortex so i can hack the event mechanism in podzilla. heh. 19:19 < BleuLlama> instead of each "program" catching its own keyboard commands, they should all subscribe via a main podzilla valve that converts 'l' into something like WHEEL_CCW_MOTION, also then we can catch the hold switch for everywhere, and things like that... 19:19 < BleuLlama> just at thought. 19:19 * BleuLlama knows nothing of current podzilla goals and tasks... 19:19 * BleuLlama just making shit up 19:27 -!- NecDrac [~polarisx@24.231.227.50.gha.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:29 -!- NecDrac [~polarisx@24.231.227.50.gha.mi.chartermi.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:30 -!- NecDrac [~polarisx@24.231.227.50.gha.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:39 < leachbj> i'm off guys... night all 19:40 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAA634.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 19:51 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 20:09 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EE9A1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:19 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:25 < macPod> hmm 20:25 < nilss> hmm? :) 20:25 -!- alexander [~alexander@smtp.gentoo.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:26 < macPod> I wan tot know why these chematics do not work :/ 20:27 < nilss> i want the ide irq to work :/ 20:27 < macPod> trade ya? :) 20:28 < nilss> i dont know what chematics you mean ;) 20:28 < macPod> schematics 20:29 < nilss> schematics of what? 20:30 < macPod> I.R. Transmitter 20:30 < nilss> oh 20:30 < nilss> lirc? 20:30 < macPod> gotta be audio 20:30 < nilss> oh... :) 20:31 < macPod> oh! 20:31 < macPod> didn't see the audio one for lirc 20:32 < nilss> so you want to receive ir signals from a remote control? 20:32 < macPod> yea 20:32 < nilss> build a serialport receiver ;) 20:32 < macPod> except it looks like I'll need to buy a chip so I can filter out sunlight, etc 20:33 < nilss> yea you need a ir receiver, didnt work with a photodiode for me... 20:33 < macPod> you tried it? 20:33 < nilss> yea 20:34 < nilss> now i have a ir receiver from an old cd player 20:34 < macPod> with audio too? 20:34 < BleuLlama> radio shack used to have an IR receiver module 20:34 < BleuLlama> i believe you jsut gave it power, and it output waveform 20:34 < nilss> audio didnt work right 20:34 < BleuLlama> heya nilss 20:34 < nilss> hi BleuLlama 20:34 < BleuLlama> nilss: you were looking for "LCD" string in diagnostic menus a few days ago? 20:35 < BleuLlama> er diagnostic menu code 20:35 < nilss> BleuLlama: nope, maybe leachbj was... 20:35 < BleuLlama> aah. crap. 20:35 < BleuLlama> cause i found it. 20:35 < BleuLlama> it's a menu option on the photo's diagnostic menu 20:35 -!- Circa2k [circa@pcp174722pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:35 -!- Circa2k [circa@pcp174722pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:35 < nilss> i'm just testing code for leachbj atm ;) 20:35 < BleuLlama> and bj just went to sleep. oh well. 20:35 < BleuLlama> understood. :) 20:35 < nilss> yea, and he'll be away for a week 20:35 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:36 < nilss> btw, any idea how i apply a patch against cvs? 20:36 < nilss> 'cause he made one for me just before he left but i dont know how to apply it ;) 20:36 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by ChanServ 20:36 < macPod> put it in the directory of podzilla 20:36 < macPod> cd to the podzilla dir 20:37 < macPod> patch -p1 > file.diff .... I think 20:37 < nilss> yeah, tried that 20:37 < macPod> mm 20:37 < coob> i just got kickbanned from #space for saying 'you mean i can't dance upside down?' 20:37 < BleuLlama> add that one to your resume, coob! 20:38 < coob> :) 20:38 < coob> the dancing or the kickban? 20:38 < veteran> the diff. 20:38 < macPod> I guess natural light is not a prob 20:38 < BleuLlama> the kickban. 20:38 < BleuLlama> put it under "additional achievements" 20:38 < macPod> you jsut read the bleeps at a specific frequency 20:39 < nilss> macPod: sunlight is a problem... 20:39 < coob> macPod: shouldn't that be patch -p1 < file.dff 20:39 < macPod> coob: probably :) 20:39 < nilss> if i remove the filter before the diode i only get random data 20:39 < macPod> even if you only check one frequency? 20:39 < macPod> and where can I pick up a filter? 20:40 < nilss> i think the diode only checks one frequency 20:40 < coob> your tv :) 20:40 < coob> or any old remote 20:40 < veteran> macPod - trying to make tv remote with ipod? 20:40 < macPod> yes 20:41 < macPod> stil 20:41 < veteran> or control ipod with remote? 20:41 < veteran> which 20:41 < BleuLlama> or order it from a photo supply place; look for an 87c IR filter (Wratten) it should cost about $35 for a 3" square filter.... i highly suggest yanking the dark red filter out of a remote though 20:41 < veteran> pod lirc would be interesting 20:41 < macPod> oh wow.. that's alot 20:41 < coob> eh 20:41 < BleuLlama> that would filter out all but IR. although a dark red gel would probably work just as well. $3 from a craft store. heh 20:42 < veteran> http://www.inf.ethz.ch/personal/mringwal/lirc/ 20:42 < coob> i have a 3" inche square filter on my keyboard receiver 20:42 < coob> and the whole thing cost like $20 20:42 < coob> er 20:42 < BleuLlama> the 87c is tuned to completely filter out visible. it is WICKED overkill for this. ;) 20:42 < veteran> what do you want a filter for? 20:42 < coob> by 3 inch square i mean 1x3 inches :) 20:43 < BleuLlama> heh 20:43 < BleuLlama> a very oblong square 20:43 < BleuLlama> ;) 20:43 < veteran> macPod - is this a ir receiver or transmitter 20:43 < macPod> I'm making both 20:44 < macPod> first however I need to redesign this transmitter circuit 20:45 < BleuLlama> http://www.lirc.org/ 20:45 < BleuLlama> appear to have simpler circuits there. 20:47 -!- casper [~shy@c-66-176-163-88.se.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:47 < macPod> probably should have done more research before purchasing the stuff :) 20:47 < macPod> oh well, I'll use it 20:48 < coob> macpod: that chip i pasted the link of takes ttl level stuff and 3-5v in and magically does everything for you 20:48 < macPod> is it digital or analog? 20:48 < macPod> and does it work with tvs 20:48 < coob> digital, but what the hay uses analog 20:48 < macPod> tvs? 20:49 < coob> no tv i've ever owned :< 20:49 < coob> unless your tv is from the 70s. 20:49 < macPod> I have a very old tv :) 20:49 < macPod> can you post that link again? 20:49 < veteran> macpod why not use http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEMX 20:49 < veteran> err dangit 20:49 < veteran> http://www.inf.ethz.ch/personal/mringwal/lirc/ 20:50 < macPod> that is essentially what I did 20:50 < macPod> except with other schematics 20:50 < macPod> except it works in reverse 20:50 < veteran> ah nice! =) 20:51 < veteran> oh, transmitter so far? 20:51 < macPod> no, does not work 20:51 < macPod> or at least I have not tested it 20:51 < veteran> is it a transmitter? 20:51 < veteran> haha i'm still sort of lost 20:51 < macPod> the transmitter I made uses more power when it is idle than when it is being used 20:51 < veteran> that's what i get for not idling here i suppose 20:52 < veteran> 0.0 uh that's not good 20:58 -!- roowie [roowie@1-1-1-16a.kis.sth.bostream.se] has joined #ipodlinux 20:59 < macPod> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=276-640 20:59 < macPod> I might just grab that 21:00 < macPod> 4$, but that is everything, the diode and filter 21:00 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 21:01 < nilss> n8 21:01 < macPod> ? 21:01 < nilss> i'll go to sleep now ;) 21:01 < BleuLlama> yep. macpod. 21:01 < macPod> night 21:01 * BleuLlama notes 38khz. 21:01 < macPod> think that is the better way to go? 21:01 * BleuLlama thought it was 47khz 21:02 < BleuLlama> probably. 21:02 < macPod> mk 21:02 < macPod> I can still keep the stuff for the transmitter however at least 21:02 < BleuLlama> lessee.. 38khz, * 2 = 76khz... lowest sampling rate to sample this as audio to get good data would be 76khz... 21:03 < macPod> we have 96khz :D 21:03 < BleuLlama> ayup! 21:03 < macPod> or would it have to be 76khz 21:03 < BleuLlama> anything above 76khz would work 21:03 < macPod> excellent 21:03 < BleuLlama> anything less would not work 21:05 < macPod> what is the third pin for on that unit? 21:05 < BleuLlama> signal i think 21:05 < BleuLlama> +v, ground, signal 21:06 < BleuLlama> it should come with a page of specs, and circuit diagrams. 21:08 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+vv macPod nilss ] by Luke 21:13 < macPod> it should... 21:16 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps..."] 21:21 < macPod> hmm I would like something that picks up 40khz 21:21 < BleuLlama> why? 21:22 < BleuLlama> or rather 21:22 < BleuLlama> i don't understand your comment 21:22 < BleuLlama> heh 21:22 < macPod> tv's and most other ir stuff are on the 40khz frequency 21:23 < BleuLlama> is that documented somewhere? 21:23 < macPod> on lirc 21:24 < BleuLlama> aah 21:25 < BleuLlama> as a proof of concept, we made a usb ir receiver at my previous job... a long time ago... while the USB standard was being formalized. heh. (to give you an idea of the timeframe) 21:26 < BleuLlama> but i don't remember what we used for the receiver 21:26 < BleuLlama> i wrote the windows control panel that let you program the built-in software to do system events based on whatever remote you pointed at it 21:26 < macPod> hmm 21:27 < BleuLlama> i didn't really do anything with the hardware side. 21:27 < BleuLlama> i think i still have one at home somewhere. i'll look for it tonight 21:27 < macPod> awsome 21:27 < BleuLlama> i believe it had a receiver of some kind, an atmel pic, and a few resistors... it was very basic 21:28 < macPod> pre-programmed? 21:29 < BleuLlama> yeah. the pic had usb host firmware as well as custom programming to generate a unique key based on IR receieved 21:29 < BleuLlama> the key wasn't really the exact bits transmitted to it by the remote, but it was unique enough to discern between buttons on various remotes 21:30 < BleuLlama> meaning: you couldn't re-generate the ir signals from the key. 21:30 < macPod> hmm 21:30 < BleuLlama> but the ir receiver worked with every remote we tried 21:30 < BleuLlama> so that part itself would be useful for you to know 21:30 < BleuLlama> :) 21:30 < macPod> right, as long as I have a good reciever I should be able to figure it out 21:30 < BleuLlama> yep 21:31 < macPod> I can just record the sounds and get the wave stuff from that 21:31 < macPod> or simply just record them :) 21:31 < BleuLlama> i don't mean to come across like i know everything... i just know a little bit about a lot of subjects. 21:31 < BleuLlama> been involved with many projects over the years. 21:31 < macPod> I appreciate it.. because I have very little knowledge of this 21:31 < BleuLlama> which is why fre_ber's "What is your background" question my first day here was nearly impossible for me to answer. heh 21:32 < macPod> I'm kinda going on common sense and thinking power 21:32 < BleuLlama> that's a great way to go. ;) 21:32 < macPod> inded 21:32 < BleuLlama> yup 21:32 -!- wbniv [~wbniv@user-0c6t0e2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:33 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has quit [Client Quit] 21:38 < macPod> I wonder how much we can variate the tty output on the iPod 21:38 < BleuLlama> you mean frequency? 21:38 < macPod> bps rate 21:38 < BleuLlama> i thought i read it was capable of at least 19.2k 21:39 < macPod> if it could do 80,000bps that would be awsome 21:39 < BleuLlama> lol 21:40 < macPod> that would be the closest you could get to a remote 21:42 < macPod> if you had ir on your comp, you could communicate with your iPod :D 21:42 < macPod> screw ipofw 21:42 -!- casper [~shy@c-66-176-163-88.se.client2.attbi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:43 < coob> ir is slewww 21:43 < coob> irda that is 21:43 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 21:43 < macPod> hmm 21:43 < macPod> I guess the filter of the ir transmitter would block anything too much above or below that frequency 21:44 < macPod> so the ir is what limits you 21:44 < BleuLlama> well, there are two frequencies... 21:45 < BleuLlama> there's the wavelength of the IR, and the data rate 21:45 < BleuLlama> the physical filter in front of the receiver (usually dark red) blocks out most light that isn't IR wavelengths 21:45 < macPod> the data rate is the same as the ir wavelength 21:45 < BleuLlama> the transciever module will only deal with the proper data rates ( 38khz? was it?) 21:46 < macPod> and the transmitter must send the data to the transmitter at twice the frequency 21:46 < BleuLlama> correct. they are different 21:46 < macPod> however there is filler 0's in the transmission 21:46 < BleuLlama> the twice-frequency thing is for sampling the detector to get an accurate 'image' of the signal 21:46 < BleuLlama> (look up NyQuist sampling rates) 21:46 < BleuLlama> the 38khz thing is for the data carrier wave 21:47 < macPod> ya 21:47 < BleuLlama> think like AM or FM receivers. you listen at 20-20khz audio waves, but they are transmitted over like 95.5mhz 21:47 < macPod> but that is analog 21:48 < BleuLlama> it's the same concept though 21:48 < macPod> hmm 21:48 < BleuLlama> the data is on a 38khz carrier 21:48 < BleuLlama> modulated somehow 21:50 -!- NecDrac [~polarisx@24.231.227.50.gha.mi.chartermi.net] has quit [] 21:50 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has joined #ipodlinux 21:52 < macPod> mm, it would be fun to make an ir fryer :) 21:56 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3B91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:58 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3B91.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 22:02 -!- stichprobe-fan [stichprobe@83-65-123-102.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ipodlinux 22:02 < stichprobe-fan> hi 22:05 < stichprobe-fan> Can i help you with the porting of linux to the G4 ipod??? mabye i can test some flash files or so (because i have an G4) 22:07 < courtc> stichprobe-fan- do you know much about arm asm? 22:08 < stichprobe-fan> nor i don't know anything about arm asm, but a littly bit from other microcontrolers 22:09 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has left #ipodlinux [] 22:12 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has joined #ipodlinux 22:17 < stichprobe-fan> with which tool are you disassembling the file? 22:19 < courtc> some gnutools such as arm-elf-objdump are nice, but most of the development is done in the commercial app IDA 22:20 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has quit [Client Quit] 22:30 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 22:46 < cohmapapphome> courtc, are you using the windows or linux ida pro? 22:47 < courtc> as far as I know the linux IDA pro is a myth 22:47 < cohmapapphome> ah 22:47 < cohmapapphome> so windows 22:48 < courtc> no, actually I tend not to support commercial software companies.. 22:50 -!- tlg [~tlg@185-249.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 22:55 < Exion> the linux ida pro is nice 23:01 < stichprobe-fan> bye 23:01 -!- stichprobe-fan [stichprobe@83-65-123-102.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [] 23:10 -!- Dr_Unvisible [~stefan@dynamic-216-26-209-214.tbaytel.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:17 -!- rsbeq-cam [~doom@pool-151-200-13-247.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:20 -!- heathkit [~heathkit@utd44924.utdallas.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 23:26 < heathkit> Anyone in? I was hoping to get the latest status on 4g support. 23:26 < rsbeq-cam> Ha. ha. ha. 23:26 < rsbeq-cam> read the topic, please 23:27 < heathkit> :) I've been there. The most recent forum posts are from a couple weeks ago, though. 23:28 < BleuLlama> i remember heathkits. 23:29 < rsbeq-cam> Well, as far as I know, they got the kernel to boot and got the display to work... they're still working on porting other drivers 23:29 < BleuLlama> i made an AM radio and a bunch of soil wetness sensor thingies for plants 23:29 < rsbeq-cam> I know that's posted on the site somewhere 23:29 < BleuLlama> always wanted a heath computer 23:30 < heathkit> bleullama: My dad built one, hence the name. Unfortunately, I don't think he kept it. 23:32 < heathkit> rsbeq-cam: Know where to get image with a booting kernel? I haven't been able to find that anywhere on the website 23:32 < BleuLlama> heath: :) 23:33 < BleuLlama> you'll probably have to check out everything from cvs and build it yourself... 23:33 < BleuLlama> perhaps ask nliss. It doesn't do much yet though... no hard drive driver, from what i've heard 23:34 < heathkit> heh, the first time I looked at ipodlinux, that was all it did. 23:36 < BleuLlama> heath: did your dad build a Shortwave transciever? 23:36 < BleuLlama> awesome: http://www.heathkit-museum.com/computers/ec-1.shtml analog computer! 23:37 -!- CP_Jeff [~Jeff@24-25-208-245.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:37 < heathkit> No, he wasn't in to radio, really. 23:37 -!- CP_Jeff is now known as _JeffG 23:37 < heathkit> I really want a Hero 23:37 < _JeffG> sandwich? 23:37 < coob> hahahah the picture on http://ipodlinux.org/User:Busonerd is great 23:37 -!- ryanlrussell [~Default@inside-rtr.bigfix.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:38 < _JeffG> Haha 23:38 < _JeffG> that would be me, coob. :) 23:45 < johnny007> :) 23:46 < johnny007> hairy armpits 23:49 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57EFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:49 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57EFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:59 < _JeffG> Damn mac people, always good drawers 23:59 < _JeffG> /artists --- Log closed Sat Jan 15 00:00:00 2005