--- Log opened Thu Jan 13 00:00:02 2005
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00:14 < davidc__> hey all
00:14 < macPod> filebox.vt.edu/users/nelsonjm/davidc_vs_noob.jpg
00:14 < macPod> :D
00:15 < davidc__> hahahahah
00:15 < davidc__> who drew that?
00:15 < macPod> I did
00:15 < davidc__> hahah. nice
00:15 < davidc__> I really should stop being such of an asshole :p
00:15 < davidc__> but its so fun
00:15 < davidc__> and provides entertainment value to those around me
00:15 < macPod> it does, it's a muse
00:16 < BleuLlama> hehe.
00:16 < BleuLlama> reminds me of Teen Girl Squad
00:16 < davidc__> HEY!
00:17 < Jonas_NZ> lol
00:18 < BleuLlama> ROCK'D!
00:19 < davidc__> ROCK'D? WTF?
00:20 < BleuLlama> nevermind.
00:20 < Jonas_NZ> what do you guys think is the best wm?
00:20 < davidc__> blinds.
00:20 < davidc__> macPod:  mind if I put the image up on the wiki in the user page?
00:20 < BleuLlama> jonas: you mean which X window manager?
00:20 < chungy> I'd say FVWM
00:21 < BleuLlama> I personally like WMX
00:21 < macPod> go for it
00:21 < Hostile> I use fluxbox
00:21 < chungy> What's "blinds"?
00:22 < Jonas_NZ>  /topic uclinux-2.4.24-ipod2 now available on www.ipodlinux.org for download (still no 4g or mini support (or shuffle)!  visit http://www.ipodlinux.org/4g before asking or feel the wratg of davidc__ http://filebox.vt.edu/users/nelsonjm/davidc_vs_noob.jpg)
00:22 < Jonas_NZ> sum1 do it who can
00:22 < Jonas_NZ>  /topic uclinux-2.4.24-ipod2 now available on www.ipodlinux.org for download (still no 4g or mini support (or shuffle)!  visit http://www.ipodlinux.org/4g before asking or feel the wratghof davidc__ http://filebox.vt.edu/users/nelsonjm/davidc_vs_noob.jpg)
00:22 < Jonas_NZ>  /topic uclinux-2.4.24-ipod2 now available on www.ipodlinux.org for download (still no 4g or mini support (or shuffle)!  visit http://www.ipodlinux.org/4g before asking or feel the wrath of davidc__ http://filebox.vt.edu/users/nelsonjm/davidc_vs_noob.jpg)
00:22 < Jonas_NZ> last one is correctr
00:22 < Jonas_NZ> bloddy typos
00:22 < davidc__> no
00:22 < davidc__> thats just too much
00:22 < chungy> /topic no stupid questions
00:22 < davidc__> yeah
00:22 < davidc__> that works well
00:23 < davidc__> I like your attitude, chungy 
00:24 < macPod> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=276-143
00:24 < macPod> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=276-145
00:24 < macPod> thinks those will work with the audio jack/mic in recording?
00:24 < macPod> or do I need to find something with lower power needs? or an amp?
00:24 < BleuLlama> you might need to run them through an op amp
00:25 < davidc__> the ipod may have a dc filter.
00:25 < davidc__> you might need to put a carrier on it first
00:27 < macPod> just couldn't be simple could it :p
00:27 < BleuLlama> doesn't monster or someone have an adapter for this already?
00:28 < macPod> belkin, for 24$
00:28 < macPod> I'm thinking of making a tvremote suite for ipodlinux
00:28 < BleuLlama> nice
00:28 < macPod> only if I end up making this however ;P
00:29 < davidc__> macPod: I'm gonna put your image on my wiki page. That ok with you?
00:29 < BleuLlama> hehe
00:29 < macPod> davidc_ yea
00:30 < BleuLlama> http://features.engadget.com/entry/6336778455600767/
00:30 < BleuLlama> Griffin
00:31 < macPod> oh
00:31 < BleuLlama> :)
00:31 < macPod> either way I am a noob with hardware
00:31 < macPod> but am going to wing it.. possibly
00:31 < davidc__> macPod: its up
00:32 < davidc__> macPod: What did you draw it with? paper? tablet?
00:32 < BleuLlama> i think that to get good range out of an IR LED, you'll need to throw a 741 or 386 op amp between the headphone output and the LED
00:32 < macPod> paper, took about 35 minutes to complete. Been a while since I have drawn
00:32 < Jonas_NZ> lol, its good anyways
00:33 < macPod> :P
00:33 < macPod> bleu I'm afraid it'll short something if I do that :/
00:33 < macPod> I guess I could add the battery, and also use it for the transistor
00:33 < BleuLlama> well, if you don't put the op-amp in there, you might only get like a 1' range or something. heh.
00:34 < macPod> I dont need the range
00:34 < macPod> you can put the remote right next for recording
00:34 < macPod> but for the led I will need it
00:34 < BleuLlama> that's what i'm talking about... for playback.
00:34 < macPod> ah
00:34 < macPod> hmm If I could draw circuitboard diagrams..
00:35 < davidc__> geda.
00:35 < davidc__> schematic drawing tool
00:35 < macPod> I dont know much about electronics except for what the different parts are
00:35 < macPod> and what they do
00:35 < BleuLlama> a forrest mims book from Radio Shack will have the op-amp circuit you'll need.
00:36 < macPod> I'm poor with voltage regulation, etc
00:36 < Jonas_NZ> cyaz all l8r, sun is shinning im gonna go outside its rare this summer :P
00:36 < davidc__> summer.
00:36 < davidc__> you bastard.
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00:36 < davidc__> I want to go to NZ
00:36 < davidc__> btw, does it look like our logo/mascot tux is giving the finger to something to anyone else?
00:37 < macPod> I desperately want to redraw it
00:37 < davidc__> checkout his right hand... er.. flipper
00:37 < macPod> but leachbj seems sentimentally attached to it
00:37 < BleuLlama> i think he looks stoned
00:38 < macPod> Will I have to worry about ambient light with the phototransistor?
00:38 < davidc__> heh.. stoned is good
00:38 < davidc__> it looks like he's flipping someone the bird [ha.ha.ha] in the picture tho :)
00:38 < BleuLlama> probably not; it's more than likely got an IR filter over it... as long as you're not direcly in-shot with sunlight or fluourescant lighting...
00:39 < macPod> I think I'll make a diagram tonight, then get the parts tomm
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01:05 < rsbeq-cam> Wow, that kernel update really does speed things up
01:06 < Hostile> rsbeq-cam, what kernel you running now?
01:08 < rsbeq-cam> 3-1
01:08 < Hostile> is this on the ipod or on your desktop?
01:09 < rsbeq-cam> ipod
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01:13 < rsbeq-cam> looks like it broke music playback though
01:13 < rsbeq-cam> hm
01:16 < rsbeq-cam> Has anyone had a problem where the wav playback under recording will start broken-record looping?
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01:23 < BleuLlama> sounds like an interrupt issue
01:24 < rsbeq-cam> Hmm
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01:24 < rsbeq-cam> Well it worked before I upgraded from -ipod2 to -ipod3-1
01:24 < BleuLlama> probably the interrupt handler broke between the userland apps (podzilla) and the kernel/system side...
01:24 < BleuLlama> just a random guess
01:26 < rsbeq-cam> Why do you think it's an interrupt thing?
01:33 < courtc> davidc__ - I've been saying thats about the picture forever.. Hes giving me the finger... :p
01:34 < courtc> rsbeq-cam - what name do you want to go into the podzilla Changelog?
01:34 < rsbeq-cam> For what?
01:35 < courtc> the image thang..
01:35 < rsbeq-cam> Oh
01:35 < rsbeq-cam> Uh, well, let's worry about that when we get to it
01:35 < rsbeq-cam> I saw you merged in tictactoe
01:35 < rsbeq-cam> anything else?
01:35 < courtc> I want to worry about it now..
01:35 < rsbeq-cam> Why?  It's not ready for commit!
01:36 < BleuLlama> rsbeq: in a previous life, i worked on soundcard drivers on the PC, and when the interrupts were screwed up, it would just play the one buffer over and over, never getting the interrupt to re-fill the buffer with new data
01:36 < courtc> yea, check the podzilla version in the about page..
01:36 < BleuLlama> so it's just a hunch...
01:36 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: ah
01:36 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: what?
01:36 < courtc> check the podzilla version in the about page..
01:36 < BleuLlama> i wish new machines had ISA slots.  I want to use one of those cards. heh.
01:36 < courtc> ;)
01:37 < rsbeq-cam> What "about" page?
01:37 < courtc> _the_ about page.. its under Extras
01:37 < courtc> no its noot
01:37 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, that's not a page
01:37 < courtc> its under Settings
01:38 < courtc> psha
01:38 < rsbeq-cam> i thought you meant webpage ;)
01:38 < rsbeq-cam> I have 0.2beta
01:38 < rsbeq-cam> With my image thing
01:39 < courtc> in the cvs... you asked what i changed
01:39 < rsbeq-cam> Ohh.
01:39 < rsbeq-cam> Hah, oops
01:39 < rsbeq-cam> What's up with the multipodzilla thing?
01:39 < rsbeq-cam> *multipod
01:40 < courtc> its a hack to make it possible to browse while playing music
01:40 < rsbeq-cam> no, i mean, is it stable?
01:41 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, okay, that bug I noticed with playback is already on the wiki
01:41 < courtc> the key word is hack.. I havnet been able to thoroughly test it yet..
01:42 < rsbeq-cam> It has something to do with the change between pod2 and pod3
01:42 < courtc> yep..
01:42 < rsbeq-cam> the "Recordings >8kHz freeze on playback"
01:42 < rsbeq-cam> Ah, I see
01:42 < courtc> thats being investigated
01:42 < rsbeq-cam> Okay, all that the image thing really needs is a zoom limit
01:43 < rsbeq-cam> And I never did come up with a way to have a button for both actual and fit
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01:44 < jolombo> whattup
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01:47 < cohmapappWork> For the do-it-your-self-er: http://www.bleacheatingfreaks.com/science/OB/micromine/
01:47 < rsbeq-cam> wow, gmail is down
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01:53 < BleuLlama> works here... ?
01:55 < rsbeq-cam> Odd
01:55 < rsbeq-cam>  
01:55 < rsbeq-cam> Server Error
01:55 < rsbeq-cam> Server Error
01:55 < rsbeq-cam> Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience.
01:59 < jintonic> ol' king cole was a merry ol' soul and a merry ol' soul way he...
01:59 < rsbeq-cam> yessir
02:00 < jintonic> he called for his pipe he called for his glass and he called his fiddlers three
02:00 < BleuLlama> What about Nat King Cole?
02:00 < jintonic> every fiddler he had a fine fiddle and very fine fiddle had he
02:01 < jintonic> twee-tweedle-dee tweedle-dee went the fiddlers
02:01 < jintonic> oh and there's none so rare as can compare with king cole and his fiddlers thrrreeeeeeeeee....... EOF
02:02  * jintonic has a mental age of 3
02:03 < rsbeq-cam> Drunk?
02:04 < jintonic> i'm kinda like bender (from futurama)
02:07 < rsbeq-cam> Well, since you're the only one here
02:07 < rsbeq-cam> How do you think zoom levels should be limited?
02:07 < jintonic> hahaha
02:08 < jintonic> in what application?
02:08 < rsbeq-cam> The podzilla image viewer
02:08 < rsbeq-cam> I'm trying to make it so there is a series of zoom levels you can go through
02:08 < rsbeq-cam> Which has to include "fit to screen" and "actual size"
02:09 < rsbeq-cam> I need to interpolate some nice values in between, or something
02:09 < BleuLlama> awesome.  pornPod
02:09 < jintonic> i'd think the action button should toggle which function you're in and the zoom levels should be something like 25% to 300%
02:09 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah, so how big do you want your porn?
02:09 < rsbeq-cam> jintonic: function...?
02:09 < rsbeq-cam> See, 300% is HUGE when you have a big image
02:10 < jintonic> yeah, like you could switch to a function that'll let you flip the image, stuff like that
02:10 < jintonic> and move around the image
02:10 < rsbeq-cam> Maybe it should be limited in terms of number of ipod screens it takes up
02:10 < rsbeq-cam> Why would you ever flip it..
02:10 < jintonic> it'd be kinda awkward but thats the best way i could think of off the top of my head
02:11 < jintonic> well, its an option
02:11 < rsbeq-cam> gotcha
02:11 < jintonic> a popular one in most image viewers
02:11 < cohmapappWork> I'm going to install linux on a used pc I just got - what distro should I use?
02:11 < cohmapappWork> for doing work on podzilla
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02:12 < jintonic> cohmapappWork: linux newbie?
02:12 < cohmapappWork> ye
02:12 < cohmapappWork> yes
02:12 < jintonic> go for ubuntu, very easy
02:12 < cohmapappWork> does it have all the dev tools I'll need?
02:12 < davidc__> gentoo
02:12 < jintonic> as long as it has over 64MB RAM
02:12 < davidc__> use gentoo
02:12 < davidc__> gentoo is good
02:12 < davidc__> long live gentoo!
02:12 < chungy> What distro do you currently have?
02:12 < cohmapappWork> I had gentoo on my xbox and in virtual pc
02:12 < jintonic> s/live/compile
02:12 < jintonic> :)
02:12 < cohmapappWork> it was a little confusing
02:13 < chungy> For newbies, I often recommend Fedora... though it's a lengthy download
02:13 < cohmapappWork> I'll start the dl on all 3 and go with whichever makes it first
02:13 < cohmapappWork> :-)
02:13 < cohmapappWork> Thanks for the help
02:13 < jintonic> ;)
02:13 < davidc__> cohmapappWork: get netinst gentoo
02:13 < davidc__> it has a very short download time
02:13 < Synapse-> debian++
02:14 < courtc> arch
02:14 < davidc__> [but it takes 3 days to install!]
02:14 < davidc__> slackware!
02:14 < cohmapappWork> LOL!
02:14 < davidc__> LFS
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02:14 < Synapse-> davidc__: that's *if* it decides to compile...
02:14 < rsbeq-cam> gentoo is awesome
02:14 < jintonic> ubuntu = debian + an installer that doesn't suck ass
02:14 < courtc> arch is gentoo + binary  packages
02:14 < cohmapappWork> Heading home.  I'll log back in from there.
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02:14 < Synapse-> jintonic: But the debian installer is fine.
02:15 < Synapse-> less bloat == more good.
02:15 < davidc__> Synapse-: eh, it alsways seems to compile
02:15 < davidc__> Synapse-: usually mostly
02:15 < jintonic> ubuntu installer is less bloated
02:15 < davidc__> LFS is even less bloated!
02:15 < davidc__> ALL HAIL LFS
02:15 < rsbeq-cam> Calm down, chaps
02:15 < Synapse-> jintonic: less bloated than debian?
02:15 < courtc> yea Synapse never had a problem with gentoo compiling..
02:15 < davidc__> hehehe
02:15  * Synapse- stabs rsbeq-cam 
02:15 < davidc__> I'm just stoking the flamewars
02:15 < davidc__> yeah.
02:15 < rsbeq-cam> Compiling is so old-school
02:16 < jintonic> well, the user experience is a helluva lot better
02:16 < Synapse-> courtc: it could be that I had only 64mb ram....
02:16 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: Agh! heritick!
02:16 < BleuLlama> seems to me like you'd want (for an image viewer): 1:1 pixels with scroll, fit in screen (maxpect), fit in screen with scroll.. (like a long horizontal image would fit it vertically, then you just scroll left and right, and arbitrary zoom
02:16 < rsbeq-cam> heretic ;)
02:16 < Synapse-> rsbeq-cam: DEATH!
02:16 < jintonic> oftentimes ubuntu Just Works(tm)s
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02:16 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: SPELLING NAZI! DESTROY
02:16 < jintonic> debian rarely does that
02:16 < Synapse-> jintonic: works for me :)
02:16 < Synapse-> KILL ALL HUMANS!
02:17 < Synapse-> Futurama++
02:17 < jintonic> ;)
02:17 < Synapse-> "Hey sexy mama, you wanna kill all humans?"
02:17 < davidc__> --postincrement
02:17 < jintonic> hehe
02:17 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: I like the horiz and vertical zoom ideas... the thing is, how would this work if we used << and >> to zoom in and out?
02:17 < courtc> never had a problem with linux not working.. except in the case of redhat.. :p
02:17 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: And how would you work in the free zoom in between?
02:17 < davidc__> eh, for that matter, never had a problem with windows working ;)
02:17 < Synapse-> I have.
02:18 < rsbeq-cam> Linux is way too much fiddling
02:18 < Synapse-> Windows has been very sucky for me.
02:18 < Synapse-> rsbeq-cam: fiddling is fun!
02:18 < davidc__> Synapse-: Read and compare my and courtc's words very carefully
02:18 < rsbeq-cam> Synapse-: Not when you have other things to do!
02:18 < BleuLlama> cycle through them... perhaps have it modal, action button goes to the the next image, left and right change zoom mode, play/pause toggles mode?  I dunno. hmmmmm.
02:18 < rsbeq-cam> Get a Mac mini ;)
02:18 < davidc__> Synapse-: as in, I have never had a problem with keeping windows from working :)
02:18 < BleuLlama> yeah. it's a problem with just htose few buttons
02:18  * davidc__ hates windows btw
02:18 < Synapse-> Oh.
02:19 < BleuLlama> use >>| and |<< on the remote for zoom. ;)
02:19 < rsbeq-cam> No remote...
02:19 < davidc__> nono
02:19 < davidc__> use the scroll to zoom!
02:19 < rsbeq-cam> No
02:19 < jintonic> linux zealots love to say "windows" as if it were one product instead of multiple systems
02:19 < rsbeq-cam> Scroll is for scroll
02:19 < davidc__> why not?
02:19 < rsbeq-cam> Rescaling is slow!
02:19 < BleuLlama> scroll should be for panning around the image
02:19 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah
02:20 < BleuLlama> scroll moves left and right. action-scroll moves up and down
02:20 < rsbeq-cam> What? button combo?
02:20 < rsbeq-cam> The way scrolling works is
02:20 < courtc> jintonic - ok fine, windowsNT
02:20 < chungy> Windows is a product...
02:20 < Synapse-> jintonic: it is, just the same as linux and Mac.
02:20 < rsbeq-cam> You use the action button to toggle between horiz and vert movement with the wheel
02:20 < jintonic> heh
02:20 < rsbeq-cam> It works nicely
02:20 < BleuLlama> aaaah.  neat
02:20 < BleuLlama> that'll work
02:20 < BleuLlama> :)
02:20 < rsbeq-cam> I just don't know how to nicely get zoom in too
02:20 < rsbeq-cam> I have play mean zoom maxpect
02:21 < davidc__> jintonic: ok, fine Windows[XP02KME98531]
02:21 < BleuLlama> play toggles between panning and zooming with the scroll wheel?
02:21 < davidc__> +
02:21 < rsbeq-cam> Zoom with the scroll wheel is a bad idea
02:21 < BleuLlama> why?
02:21 < BleuLlama> well, the only thing left is >> and << for zoom
02:21 < rsbeq-cam> It takes a while to rescale, so the fluidness of the scrollwheel would not be appropriate
02:22 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I'm fairly sure that I can make it faster
02:22 < rsbeq-cam> Yes, I have << and >> for zoom.  The problem is that I don't know how to create the list of in-order zoom levels those buttons will cycle through
02:22 < davidc__> it shouldn't be that bad
02:22 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: I'm just using the mwin routine
02:22 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I meant, as in write it in assembler
02:22 < jintonic> windows 2k/xp are very reliable and compatible with most any hardware for x86 in my experience
02:22 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Do you really want to?
02:23 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: sure. I write tons of stuff in assembler
02:23 < rsbeq-cam> Geek
02:23 < davidc__> jintonic: hahahhahahahhhahahah
02:23 < BleuLlama> scaling routines are pretty straightforward
02:23 < courtc> jintonic - try ripping out a pci card ;)
02:23 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: Assembler kicks ass
02:23 < BleuLlama> let the jpeg library decode the image for you first, then use your own routines to scale it. :)
02:23 < davidc__> yeah
02:23 < davidc__> the trick is to use a crappy scale for the speedscale
02:23 < jintonic> try ripping out a pci card? why the hell would i ever want to do that?
02:23 < rsbeq-cam> Are you thinking like smooth scaling or old doom-style "skip every few pixels" scaling
02:24 < davidc__> and as soon as the scroll stops,
02:24 < rsbeq-cam> Ah good point
02:24 < davidc__> draw a nice one
02:24 < rsbeq-cam> And then it could "snap-to" the important levels such as maxpect
02:24 < davidc__> yeah
02:24 < rsbeq-cam> Hmm
02:24 < rsbeq-cam> Okay, you have to help me then
02:24 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: sure.
02:24 < BleuLlama> yeah. that'd be nice...
02:24 < rsbeq-cam> That would be hot
02:24 < davidc__> I don't have microwindows stuff installed on this machine
02:25 < davidc__> as I mostly do kernel stuff.
02:25 < BleuLlama> but perhaps leave the zoom level (or like if you 'snapped to' "fit screen" maintain that between images
02:25 < davidc__> But I'll go fetch it
02:25 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: What?
02:25 < courtc> no, crappy scaling, then if you let it sit for a second it improves the quality..
02:25 < rsbeq-cam> I agree with courtc
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02:25 < rsbeq-cam> But I don't know what BleuLlama was saying
02:25 < BleuLlama> say you have an image on the screen... and you adjust zoom to "fit in screen"
02:25 < davidc__> as well, when I finish that multi-cpu code, we can just push the scale code partially onto the COP
02:25 < BleuLlama> then you go on to the next image...
02:26 < rsbeq-cam> ....we're only using one CPU now?
02:26 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: yeah
02:26 < BleuLlama> it should fit that one ot the screen as well, regardless of the zoom level it really fits into...
02:26 < rsbeq-cam> teehee, how silly
02:26 < jintonic> ok, i challenge you to state 3 reasons why windows may be better than linux... and 3 more why linux may be worse than windows.... there are always reasons, linux users tend to be ignorant of them though
02:26 < jintonic> real reasons, not smartass ones
02:26 < BleuLlama> that way you can do slideshows easliy
02:26 < rsbeq-cam> GAMES!
02:26 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: I still don't get it. I'm sorry.
02:27 < BleuLlama> okay... hmm..
02:27 < jintonic> yes, games is an excellent reason
02:27 < rsbeq-cam> SPYWARE!
02:27 < davidc__> jintonic: windows _better_than linux?
02:27 < BleuLlama> say you have two images in there.  one is 1024x768, and the next one is 320x200
02:27 < davidc__> hmmm, perhaps ease of configuration?
02:27 < BleuLlama> you're on the first one.
02:27 < rsbeq-cam> Yup
02:27 < rsbeq-cam> Definitely ease of configuration...
02:27 < BleuLlama> you adjust the zoom level, to zoom out, such that you see the whole image on the screen... 
02:27 < jintonic> easy of configuration is a major one
02:27 < BleuLlama> the zoom level snaps to "fit in screen"
02:27 < davidc__> driver/software availability..
02:28 < davidc__> although that can be argued
02:28 < BleuLlama> you advance to the next image
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02:28 < rsbeq-cam> Hey, why do people want this slideshow mode?
02:28 < davidc__> ipod photo
02:28 < rsbeq-cam> It unfortunately takes a long-ass time to load new images off disk
02:28 < BleuLlama> at that point, of you kept the scale factor the same, the image would be tiny...  but if instead you maintain it to be "fit the image in the screen"
02:28 < jintonic> your grandma could install windows if she read the screen and guessed a little
02:28 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: it shouldn't
02:28 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: Yes, I understand
02:28 < BleuLlama> then the next image should be scaled to fit appropriately
02:28 < davidc__> we can aggrssively pre-cached
02:29 < davidc__> jintonic: perhaps we should take the flame-war off channel
02:29 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Yeah, and what will that do when music is playing at the same time?
02:29 < jintonic> some linux distros are getting there though, ubuntu for one, is very nice
02:29 < rsbeq-cam> Is ubuntu new?
02:29 < jintonic> davidc__: i wasn't thinking of it as a flamewar, more as an analytical discussion
02:29 < rsbeq-cam> Well, it sounds like this new imageviewer won't be done any time soon anymore...
02:29 < courtc> flame-war -> #ipodlinuxflood
02:29 < davidc__> heh
02:29 < courtc> NOW!
02:29 < davidc__> ok
02:29 < BleuLlama> just features for the future
02:29 < davidc__> shaddup courtc
02:30 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: Well, I don't know how to have nice zooming as it is now either
02:30 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-o davidc__ ] by courtc
02:30 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ
02:30 < BleuLlama> it'd just be nice to navigate to a directory of images, and just page through them all... even if it's 2 bit gray. ;)
02:30 < courtc> :p
02:30 < BleuLlama> rbs: well, you can just cycle through 1:1 pixels, and fit in screen to start with or something...
02:30 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: Yeah... I have a feeling iphoto puts thumbnails on the ipod when it loads images though..
02:30 < jintonic> i use linux :) but that doesn't mean i hate windows, it does have legitimate uses, i just don't value them much :)
02:31 < BleuLlama> yeah... iphoto puts thumbnails specificaly catered to the ipod on there to make image viewing on it quicker
02:31 < rsbeq-cam> How would we do that?
02:31 < davidc__> yea.. I wouldn't be suprised
02:31 < courtc> wait, you can configure windows?
02:31 < rsbeq-cam> I guess podzilla could have a "create thumbnails" functions
02:31 < jintonic> oh yeah, ubuntu is.. pretty new i think
02:31 < BleuLlama> i dunno; i don't know what iphoto does exactly
02:31 < rsbeq-cam> Where you just wait
02:31 < davidc__> just a background task
02:32 < davidc__> run a background task on the ipod to create thumbnails
02:32 < rsbeq-cam> Do we really have enough resources to run background tasks like that?
02:32 < rsbeq-cam> And what if you go into the directory before thumbnails have been created?
02:32 < courtc> we have some unused fastram..
02:32 < BleuLlama> IE "red X" icon for unrendred thumbnails. ;)
02:32 < jintonic> so save it so you can play music while searching your disk?
02:34 < rsbeq-cam> itunesdblib really needs to be faster too or something
02:34 < rsbeq-cam> Or cache
02:34 < BleuLlama> I personally would love to offload images off of CF card using the belkin card reader (using mac firmware)m, then boot back into linux, and look through the images. heh
02:35 < davidc__> BleuLlama: Why not put belkin CF card reader support into ipl?
02:35 < davidc__> :)
02:35 < BleuLlama> well, if it supports firewire mass storage devices, then we;re done. heh
02:35 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Where do I start, with zoom stuff
02:36 < rsbeq-cam> I have no experience writing ASM, just reading it
02:36 < BleuLlama> i really gotta get a beta version of Vortex done.
02:36 < rsbeq-cam> Vortex?
02:36 < BleuLlama> my game
02:36 < rsbeq-cam> what kind?
02:36 < BleuLlama> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Vortex
02:36 < BleuLlama> it's a clone of "Tempest".. well, as close as i can get...
02:36 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: are we talking scaling color or grey?
02:37 < jintonic> scaling, no doubt
02:37 < davidc__> jintonic: well yes, that was apparent
02:38 < rsbeq-cam> tempest looks really confusing
02:38 < courtc> haha... no, not scaling, grey
02:38 < rsbeq-cam> rsbeq-cam: Uh, well, I think it ought to work for both...
02:38 < BleuLlama> it's a really good, classic arcade game.   you just spin around the web, and shoot down it at aliens that come up... 
02:38 < BleuLlama> sort of a 3-dish Space Invaders
02:38 < BleuLlama> kinda
02:39 < rsbeq-cam> You know, I bet part of the reason it's slow is that mwin is probably storing the fullcolor data
02:39 < jintonic> i couldn't tell if that meant "scaling color" or "grey" or "color or grey"
02:39 < rsbeq-cam> And then palletizing it each time you draw it
02:39 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: we would use two separate routine
02:39 < davidc__> s
02:39 < rsbeq-cam> Yes
02:40 < rsbeq-cam> Let's pretend it's gray then
02:40 < rsbeq-cam> since we can't even run on photo ipods yet
02:40 < BleuLlama> well, the thumbnails are 2 bit gray... (or color for the 'Photo)
02:40 < BleuLlama> -are +should be
02:40 < rsbeq-cam> Everything is 2bit gray on non-photo
02:40 < courtc> how far is this scaling gonna go? as far as printing it to the screen?
02:41 < jintonic> to the moon, alice!
02:41 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: are you sure??
02:41 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: What do you mean?  It should allow for low-quality, realtime zooming and then full-quality wait-a-bit zooming
02:41 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: oh right, you don't have cabalPodLinux.
02:42 < rsbeq-cam> What the hell's a cabalpodlinux?
02:42 < davidc__> shh
02:42 < BleuLlama> sounds like my digital camera. heh
02:42 < courtc> uhh.. nothing.. 
02:42 < davidc__> yeah.
02:42 < davidc__> like courtc said
02:42 < rsbeq-cam> Ah
02:42 < rsbeq-cam> Well, if you're sure it's below me
02:43 < davidc__> its a secret.
02:43 < rsbeq-cam> Well, don't advertise it then
02:43 < rsbeq-cam> Anyways
02:44 < jintonic> davidc__ feels special when people crowd around him after he lets people know he knows a secret... craves the attention after too much time at the computer
02:44 < davidc__> hahah
02:44 < jintonic> :)
02:45 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, I see how it is
02:45 < davidc__> davidc__ also enjoys kicking people who mock him :)
02:45 < jintonic> yeah, i know, but i enjoy saying funny stuff
02:46  * jintonic goes back to eating his freeze-dried banana chips and raisins
02:47  * rsbeq-cam kicks davidc__ 
02:47 -!- rsbeq-cam was kicked from #ipodlinux by davidc__ [no kicking.]
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02:47 < courtc> haha
02:47 < davidc__> haha
02:47 < jintonic> :P
02:47 < rsbeq-cam> haha.....
02:47 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: That wasn't very enthusiastic.
02:48 < davidc__> would you have enjoyed it more if I added a temp ban? :P
02:48 < courtc> laugh harder
02:48 < davidc__> hehehehhe
02:49 < courtc> davidc__ - did you see that I got banned from freenode the other day?
02:49 < davidc__> courtc: yeah
02:49 < davidc__> courtc: what happened?
02:49 < jintonic> he exposed himself to #math
02:49 < davidc__> any known reason?
02:49 < courtc> haha.. :sterling.freenode.net NOTICE courtc :*** Banned: Geert; Clone bots are not allowed on Freenode. Please email staff@freenode.net if you have any questions. (2005/01/11 16.03)
02:50 < courtc> ERROR :Closing Link: courtc (K-lined)
02:50 < davidc__> hahah
02:50 < davidc__> you  email them
02:50 < courtc> yep..
02:50 < davidc__> they apologize?
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02:50 < courtc> no response
02:50 < davidc__> just an unblock?
02:51 < courtc> no.. i changed my ip..
02:51 < jintonic> "a bot emailing us to complain? that deserves another 3 days"
02:51 < davidc__> courtc: haha
02:51 < davidc__> I mean.. thats fucked. A bot with a registered nick?
02:55 < courtc> well I was testing my bot from the same ip.. but all it did was connect then segfault..
02:56 < courtc> cause its smot.. :) smotbot
02:57 < davidc__> ah
02:57 < davidc__> heh
02:57 < courtc> now I'm afraid to test...
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02:57 < davidc__> maybe you should use your own ircd
02:57 < courtc> :p to much work
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03:00 < courtc> ok done.. whew, that was hard
03:01 < davidc__> ?
03:02 < courtc> I'm using my own irc server now..
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03:03 < jintonic> heh... i see "shuffle" was added to the "no, we don't support it" list
03:03 < jintonic> were there actually people who asked for that?
03:04 < davidc__> ah.. its on the will-never-be-supported list
03:04 < jintonic> yeah
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03:04 < courtc> whoops
03:05 < BleuLlama> i dunno... a $99 device that holds the entire SID collection, with all of the good .mod files, and able to play them all would be awesome...  (mikmod, sidplay)
03:06 < davidc__> BleuLlama: Debugging it would be impossible though :)
03:06 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o courtc ] by ChanServ
03:06 < BleuLlama> yep
03:06 < davidc__> no serial, no anything
03:07 < jintonic> i've always wanted linux on my toaster, nilss seems like the man that could do that for me
03:07 < BleuLlama> there might be serial lines on a chip inside of it... just not exposed out to the edge... who knows.  heh.
03:08 < BleuLlama> jin; yeah, but imagine the amount of bread you'd go through to dump the toaster's firmware
03:08 < jintonic> true
03:08 < BleuLlama> lightly toasted = 0, burnt = 1
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03:14 < cohmapapphome> courtc, which gentoo livecd should I start with, for dev purposes?
03:15 < davidc__> BleuLlama: Didja see the toaster that toasts patterns?
03:15 < courtc> stage 3.. 
03:16 < BleuLlama> heh. yeah. i think there is a hello kitty toaster that does that.
03:16 < courtc> screw all the bootstrapping.. its a wast of time
03:16 < BleuLlama> http://www.toaster.org/hellokitty.html
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03:17 < cohmapapphome> cool, thanks courtc
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03:18 < davidc__> I think I should make an ethernet enabled one
03:18 < davidc__> that has the ability to download a bitmap to it
03:18 < davidc__> and then that will get rendered onto the toast
03:18 < davidc__> It would be awesome
03:18 < courtc> haha
03:18 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah, exactly
03:18 < rsbeq-cam> A toast printer
03:18 < BleuLlama> hehe
03:19 < BleuLlama> very low res thermal printer
03:19 < rsbeq-cam> So, davidc__, as I was saying earlier.... where do I start?
03:21 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: What's this vector text engine?
03:23 < BleuLlama> It's what i use to render the numbers, text, and various objects on the screen. (not the web, that's rendered differently, and is about to be re-written to be more efficient
03:23 < rsbeq-cam> Why not use bmp?
03:23 < BleuLlama> i basically have an array of coordinates:
03:23 < BleuLlama> VORTEX_POINT V_points[] = {
03:23 < BleuLlama>         { 0, 0 },       { 2, 0 },       { 4, 0 },       /* 00 -- 01 -- 02   */
03:23 < BleuLlama> ...
03:24 < BleuLlama> oh. flood. nevermind. no more pasting. sorry
03:24 < BleuLlama> then another lookup table where there is an entry for each digit and each letter, that is 9 points, and whether those points are connected to the previous point...
03:24 < BleuLlama> why not bmp?  this is much more easily scaled and rotated
03:24 < rsbeq-cam> True
03:25 < BleuLlama> and it looks more like the oriignal (a vector game) and requires no extra image files
03:25 < rsbeq-cam> Gotcha
03:25 < rsbeq-cam> Or you could use TTF?
03:25 < rsbeq-cam> (overkill)
03:26 < rsbeq-cam> Man, where did davidc__ go?  He suggested something and then totally left me hanging
03:26 < BleuLlama> nah.  ttf is way too code heavy
03:26 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah, I know
03:26 < BleuLlama> i want to use the few cycles i have to make this look cool, since i want it to be playable with music going... 
03:26 < BleuLlama> :)
03:26 < rsbeq-cam> Mm yeah
03:26 < rsbeq-cam> Did that doom port stagnate?
03:27  * davidc__ hands rsbeq-cam 
03:27 < davidc__> er
03:27 < davidc__> hangs
03:27 < davidc__> I definitly meant hands.
03:27 < davidc__> GAH
03:27 < davidc__> HANGS
03:27 < rsbeq-cam> Umm
03:27 < davidc__> stupid FUCKING KEYBOARD.
03:28 < rsbeq-cam> Could you afford to be a tad more amicable?
03:28 < davidc__> anyways
03:28 < BleuLlama> i want Command-and-conquer. ;)
03:28 < davidc__> nope :)
03:28 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I was cursing the keyboard
03:28 < BleuLlama> or ScummVM. ;)  but the screen is too small
03:28 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: not you
03:28 < rsbeq-cam> rsbeq-cam: I know, but you're still describing ways to kill me
03:29 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: no.. you  said I left you hanging
03:29 < rsbeq-cam> Ahh gotcha
03:29 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: so, I promptly ensured you were hanging :)
03:29 < rsbeq-cam> A _pun_!
03:29 < davidc__> anyways
03:29 < rsbeq-cam> Right, anyways
03:29  * davidc__ leaves
03:30 < rsbeq-cam> Ugh.
03:30 < courtc> haha
03:31 < rsbeq-cam> Is he serious?
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03:32 < courtc> looks like it..
03:32 < rsbeq-cam> Well, that's a bummer
03:33 < Wammy|LapTop> what VPN servers are available for linux?
03:34 < rsbeq-cam> vtun?
03:34 < courtc> http://openvpn.net/
03:34 < rsbeq-cam> courtc wins
03:40 < Wammy|LapTop> thx
03:40 < courtc> :)
03:40 < cohmapapphome> courtc, do I need the universal cd (650MB) or is the minimal cd enough for a dev environment?
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03:41 < courtc> cohmapapphome - it doesnt really matter.. as long as you have an internet connection you can download as much as you want before/after the install
03:43 < cohmapapphome> ok, I'll go with minimal in the interests of time
03:43 < cohmapapphome> thanks
03:43 < rsbeq-cam> Sounds good
03:48 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I intented to just leave for a few seconds
03:48 < davidc__> to be a bastard
03:49 < davidc__> but then I got distracted
03:49 < davidc__> ok, the algo basically should be procedural
03:50 < davidc__> aka, just a bitskip algo
03:50 < davidc__> for quick scaling
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03:52 < rsbeq-cam> Haha
03:52 < zosky> hello everyone
03:52 < courtc> hi zosky 
03:52 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Thanks for not really being a bastard at heart :)
03:52 < rsbeq-cam> yeah mean hello dr. zosky
03:52 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: Nah, I;m not
03:52 < rsbeq-cam> *you mean
03:53 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah, bitskip
03:53 < davidc__> I'm quite nice to most people
03:53 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Do you really think it will be faster in ASM than C?
03:53 < zosky> try n00b|zosky
03:53 < davidc__> except n00bs
03:53 < davidc__> :D
03:53 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: Depends
03:53 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I've seen compilers do really stupid things before
03:54 < rsbeq-cam> Well, it seems it would at least be prudent to prototype it in C and then check how well gcc does it
03:54 < davidc__> yeah
03:54 < davidc__> I would suggest that
03:54 < zosky> just installed ipodlinux. thats some cool stuff
03:54 < rsbeq-cam> You think I can trust mwin's smoothscale?
03:54 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: just out of curiosity, how long does it take to scale?
03:55 < rsbeq-cam> Umm, well, fractions of a second to a few seconds, depending on the zoomlevel
03:55 < davidc__> hmm
03:55 < rsbeq-cam> because it scales by rescaling the whole image to a new pixmap
03:55  * zosky stays away from davidc__. its not my fault yall are a wack load smarter then me. we all have to start somewhere
03:55 < rsbeq-cam> so that it scrolls smoothly
03:56 < rsbeq-cam> so obviously the large it becomes in effect the more memory has to be written
03:56 < davidc__> zosky: Its ok :)
03:56 < davidc__> zosky: As long as you don't ask the status of the 4g, I'm happy
03:56 < jintonic> davidc's pretty cool as long as you're not reaallllyyy dumb
03:56 < zosky> il refrain from asking. i have a 3g and im having fun, works pretty cool
03:56 < BleuLlama> this is awesome.  new drive in the laptop, so it's quiet, and I moved my wifi hub, so i have full signal strength sitting on the couch. :D
03:58 < rsbeq-cam> i can only get wifi about 3 meters from the ap, because the building is made of radioactive material or something
03:58 < zosky> music playback is still finiky, right ? i noticed some of my tunes where playing @ 2x, and some skipping. 
03:58 < davidc__> zosky: cool. We always like to hear good feedback rather than "Waaa.. where's 4g status /bitch/moan/etc"
03:58 < davidc__> tunes at 2x?
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03:58 < davidc__> you have something I can test?
03:58 < davidc__> I haven't heard of that one before
03:58 < zosky> twice as fast
03:59 < davidc__> Skipping, yeah, thats pretty much normal
03:59 < Jonas_NZ> wat is twice as fast?
03:59 < davidc__> zosky: Mp3s, I assume. Whats the bitrate and are they mono?
03:59 < zosky> i listen to house music, and it was playing like techno... or worse
03:59 < jintonic> heya jonas
03:59 < courtc> thats ipp's vbr decoding for ya
03:59 < davidc__> oh, and sample rate?
03:59 < BleuLlama> rsbeq-cam: i have a Rev A TiBook... which are famoous for their horrible wifi reception...  but i get a full 4 bars now. :D
03:59 < davidc__> ah. vbr.
03:59 < Jonas_NZ> hey jintonic 
04:00 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: Hmm, I have a tibook too but I don't think it's reva
04:00  * davidc__ wants a tibook
04:00 < Jonas_NZ> is it an alu case cos they are the rev b ones
04:00 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: all kinds of radio signals meet their end in this place
04:00 < zosky> let me reboot the ipod into linux and ill tell you the stats of the mp3 that was doing that when i figure out which one it was, 2 sec
04:00  * Jonas_NZ wants one too
04:00 < davidc__> instead of this crappy intel POS that keeps on requiring me to open it up and reseat the processor.
04:00 < rsbeq-cam> haha
04:00 < rsbeq-cam> how does it unseat?
04:00 < BleuLlama> it's a 500mhz... cd-rom.. not even CD-R... that came with rev b or rev c of the TiBook.
04:01 < BleuLlama> still, it's the best computer i've ever owned... for a 3 year old machine, it's still VERY capable
04:01 < rsbeq-cam> i've got the 768mhz
04:01 < rsbeq-cam> I used to have a toilet-lid ibook
04:01 < BleuLlama> yeah. that's rev c, i believe...
04:01 < BleuLlama> nice. those were cute
04:01 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah but I destroyed it
04:01 < rsbeq-cam> Over 2-3 years
04:01 < BleuLlama> do you have a 1152x768 display, or higher than that?
04:02 < rsbeq-cam> 1024x
04:02 < rsbeq-cam> You get used to it.
04:02 < BleuLlama> no, on the tibook
04:02 < rsbeq-cam> yes
04:02 < rsbeq-cam> this is 1024x
04:02 < rsbeq-cam> the ibook was 800x
04:02 < rsbeq-cam> that kind of blew
04:02 < BleuLlama> your tibook doesn;t have 1024... it's gotta have 1152.  (widescreen)
04:02 < rsbeq-cam> i ended up running gentoo on it
04:02 < rsbeq-cam> no, it's a 12"
04:02 < BleuLlama> oooh... 
04:02 < BleuLlama> you said tibook... 
04:02 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I'm not sure how it unseats
04:02 < rsbeq-cam> 12" tibook!
04:02 < BleuLlama> you meant albook.
04:02 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: but all I know is that taking the heatsink off
04:02 < rsbeq-cam> Shit
04:03 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: taking the processor outta the socket
04:03 < BleuLlama> there is no titanium 12"
04:03 < rsbeq-cam> It looks ti ;)
04:03 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: putting it back in, and turning the machine on,
04:03 < BleuLlama> hehe
04:03 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: That's pretty g-hetto
04:03 < rsbeq-cam> Should I be avoiding floats like the plague?
04:04 < jintonic> wholly shit
04:04 < rsbeq-cam> Whoah, I didn't know anyone else spelled it like that!
04:04 < jintonic> y'all seen the mac mini?
04:04  * rsbeq-cam high-fives jintonic 
04:04 < jintonic> ;)
04:04 < rsbeq-cam> yeah, it's neat
04:04 < zosky> peeps: looks like im gonna need a little help before i can test those mp3s. when i boot into ipod linux it goes though all the loading, then clears the screen, and nothing... if i hit any button, i get backlight... still nothing ???
04:05 < rsbeq-cam> I hope it doesn't end up like the g4 cube
04:05 < BleuLlama> cube was too expensive
04:05 < rsbeq-cam> zosky: bad contrast?
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04:05 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: yes, avoidfloats like the plauge
04:05 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: and sucked
04:05 < BleuLlama> it was a good idea... just not the right time for it; it was too big for what it was, and underpowereed
04:05 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: the trick is to get a power of two to be devided by
04:06 < davidc__> then just shifft
04:06 < zosky> rsbeq-cam: was fine first time i used it. but there is really bad contrast during the loading screen 
04:06 < davidc__> waaaaaaaay faster then floats
04:06 < davidc__> and if you absolutely must divide by something weird
04:06 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: umm, what if i want to divide by something not a 2^x
04:06 < davidc__> then use integer math
04:06 < davidc__> but absolutely do not use floats
04:06 < zosky> rsbeq-cam: how can i fix it
04:06 < BleuLlama> yeah., then you can just bitshift instead of dividing (which the compiler might optimize for you...)
04:06 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: haha
04:07 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: AFAIK, I think they're emulated in software
04:07 < davidc__> which equals crap performanec
04:07 < rsbeq-cam> Ouch
04:07 < rsbeq-cam> no FPU?
04:07 < rsbeq-cam> Or whatever it's called
04:07 < jintonic> hmm... ipod mini doesnt seem to have any options for expansion tho
04:07 < jintonic> woops... mac mini
04:07 < rsbeq-cam> zosky: hmm... can you see the menus at all? they ought to be very very hard to see but barely there
04:08 < BleuLlama> nope.  you can put more ram in it, but you can plug firewire or usb2 drives into it for more storage...  
04:08 < BleuLlama> it's a perfect low-end machine
04:08 < rsbeq-cam> Or open it up
04:08 < zosky> rsbeq-cam: not at all
04:08 < BleuLlama> perhaps a drive upgrade, but you can only up that to 100gig (2.5" disk in there)
04:08 < rsbeq-cam> zosky: Try rebooting?
04:08 < BleuLlama> it'd make a perfect home server.
04:08 < rsbeq-cam> It would
04:08 < rsbeq-cam> Headless
04:08 < zosky> rsbeq-cam: can i trash my setting file or somthing. ive tried rebooting a few times now
04:09 < BleuLlama> get one of those, and a few 250gig drives on a firewire chain, throw it in a closet or under the stairs in the basement. done.
04:09 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah, umm, I don't know what it's called though
04:10 < BleuLlama> what what's called?
04:10 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I gotta go for 20 minutes.. we'll discuss the scaling stuff when I get back [stupid fucking dishes should wash their goddamn selves]
04:10 < rsbeq-cam> Ooh, I washed some earlier
04:10 < rsbeq-cam> The trick is to listen to your iPod at the same time ;)
04:10 < rsbeq-cam> It's less boring
04:11 < rsbeq-cam> ...or get a dishwasher
04:11 < rsbeq-cam> and put linux on it
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04:11 < jintonic> i would maybe get a mac mini but i'd like a faster processor and an upgradable graphics card
04:11 < zosky> BleuLlama: when i boot i have horiable contrast and after the loading screen its blank. if i touch any button i get backling. nothing else. im trying to trash my steeting file to get back to defults
04:12 < rsbeq-cam> zosky: Try /etc/podzilla.conf?
04:12 < BleuLlama> dunno, zosky
04:12  * BleuLlama cranks up the hacking music and goes back to coding
04:13 < rsbeq-cam> What is the "hacking music"?
04:13 < BleuLlama> good music. ;)
04:13 < rsbeq-cam> Do tell
04:13 < BleuLlama> right now, Kraftwerk.
04:13 < zosky> rsbeq-cam: that did the trick
04:13 < davidc__> Prodigy
04:13 < davidc__> Chemical Bros
04:13 < BleuLlama> yeah. prodigy, but their first two albums
04:13 < davidc__> yeah
04:13 < davidc__> not their new stuff
04:13 < BleuLlama> definitely not
04:13 < davidc__> their new stuff is crap
04:13 < BleuLlama> they never should have let the "dancing guy" "sing"
04:13 < BleuLlama> heh
04:13 < rsbeq-cam> zosky: awesome
04:14 < rsbeq-cam> Hmm
04:14 < rsbeq-cam> The best hacking music is energetic and numbing
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04:16 < davidc__> BleuLlama: Whats kraftwerk?
04:16 < davidc__> [I'm half here.]
04:17 < rsbeq-cam> You're washing dishes at the same time as using IRC?
04:17 < BleuLlama> let's see... Wendy Carlos (Tron, Clockwork Orange), Utah Saints, The Shamen, various synthpop stuff, Tempest 2000 soundtrack, Traci Lords (don't laugh), Art Of Noise, Underworld, Devo, Information Society....
04:18 < zosky> aight, the mp3s playing at 2x speed are 56kbps/22.05 kHz (damn, i didnt know i had any files with such sh*z quility in my collection
04:18 < BleuLlama> david c: Kraftwerk?  They're one of the earliest electronic pop bands... started in the early 70's... 4 guys, 4 synthesizers.  one of the biggest influences on most electronic bands
04:18 < BleuLlama> they're still around...  Saw them in concert last year.  it was *awesome*
04:20 < BleuLlama> good albums of theirs: Trans Europe Express (1977), Radioactivity(1975), Computer World(1981), The Mix(1991), Tour De France (2003)
04:21 < BleuLlama> very minimal music.
04:21 < BleuLlama> i'll shut it now.
04:21 < davidc__> cool
04:21 < BleuLlama> (check them out on itunes music store)
04:22 < davidc__> eh
04:22 < davidc__> will
04:23 < zosky> is there a way to have it read the GENERS tag ? then artist > then album > then track ? not sure who else here likes electronica, but i have 30gbs of all kinds. house, break beats, downtempo, techno, DnB. all in 1 smart playlist... (+4 starts gets syned to the ipod). be handy if that could be included, is there a way i could do that ? modify some file somewhere ???
04:23 < rsbeq-cam> Wow, I never use genre
04:24 < zosky> with over 30 gbs of electronica, you need to keep it all organized somehow
04:24 < rsbeq-cam> Heh
04:24 < rsbeq-cam> Artist? ;)
04:24 < rsbeq-cam> Whoah. 30?!
04:24 < rsbeq-cam> I keep my music under 10 so it will all fit on my iPod
04:25 < BleuLlama> i'd love to rip all of my and my wife's cds and throw them on a server.  that would rock.  
04:25 < zosky> should say 30+. 20 is what ive filterd thought. i have another 20 that i need to listen to, tag and inport into itunes DB
04:25  * BleuLlama has about 800 cds, and his wife, about as many
04:25 < rsbeq-cam> Wow
04:25 < rsbeq-cam> You need to make a cd-ripping machine
04:25 < BleuLlama> she managed a few music stores,  i have no excuse. heh
04:25 < rsbeq-cam> I guess you could do it with lego mindstorms
04:26 < BleuLlama> i have that too
04:26 < BleuLlama> heh
04:26 < rsbeq-cam> haha
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04:26 < zosky> rsbeq-cam: i got the 3g 20gb ipod. so not all of it fits, but i get to have a good varity all the time.
04:26 < davidc__> I'm gonna hafta buy a photo so it all can fit.. oh, and so I can write cool shit for the color screen
04:27 < davidc__> like a visualizer
04:27 < BleuLlama> that'd rock
04:27 < rsbeq-cam> ipods are so expensssssssive
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04:27 < zosky> do any of the devs in here think we will see the day the music player becomes stable ebouph to run in BG while we play pong ? or put the ipod in a pocket somwhere 
04:27 < BleuLlama> heh. i just thought of a really quick hack... an etch-a-sketch like drawing program
04:27 < rsbeq-cam> zosky: We hope so
04:28 < davidc__> zosky: yeah
04:28 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: I never liked etchasketches :(
04:28 < davidc__> zosky: just gotta get my dual-cpu code working
04:28 < BleuLlama> zosky: you don't need ipod linux to put your ipod in your pocket.  silly.
04:28 < zosky> hahahaha
04:28 < davidc__> zosky: which reminds me, time to go kick my brother off my dev comp
04:29 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: You live with your brother?
04:29 < zosky> you got me on that one. but atleast i can show all my friends lux on the ipod
04:29 < Jonas_NZ> davidc__, how is that dual cpu stuff going anyway?
04:30 < zosky> did i read somewhere that linux does not hibernate the ipod properly or somthign like that ?
04:30 < rsbeq-cam> yeah
04:30 < rsbeq-cam> no power management yet
04:30 < rsbeq-cam> I want that
04:30 < zosky> forget to add 'yet'
04:31 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I live with my parents.
04:31 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: Can't afford to move out while in school
04:31 < davidc__> tuition is too damn high
04:31 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Oh, okay.. it was either that or you're a high schooler
04:31 < davidc__> nah, two years outta high school
04:31 < zosky> owww, i know what thats all about. i just finished school a while back, now im on my own. its not all its cracked up to be
04:31 < davidc__> wish I could move out.. but just can't afford to
04:31 < rsbeq-cam> What school?
04:31 < davidc__> BCIT
04:32 < davidc__> [living with parents sucks, as it makes hooking up with chicks hard.]
04:32 < rsbeq-cam> Unless that chick is your mom
04:32 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: Thats disgusting.
04:32 < zosky> i was at York U.
04:32 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I'm tempted to kick you just for that :p
04:32 < rsbeq-cam> Oh yeah, shawcable is canada
04:32 < davidc__> Gonna be at SFU next term
04:32 < zosky> jokes on him. you havnt seen his mom
04:33  * zosky ducks as davidc__ takes a swing
04:33 < davidc__> Swing?
04:33 < davidc__> why would I take a swing
04:33 < zosky> dude, i just slammed your mom
04:33 < rsbeq-cam> You're transferring?
04:33 < davidc__> I'd just take aim with my gatling cannon
04:33 < rsbeq-cam> zosky: He doesn't swing that way
04:33 < zosky> swing like a punch
04:33 < rsbeq-cam> I know
04:33 < rsbeq-cam> It was a horribly forced pun
04:34 < davidc__> zosky: First of all, your joke was worded in such a way that it took me several seconds to figure out what you meant
04:34 < davidc__> zosky: And besides, I'm not the type to hurt you with my fists, second, I would just use power tools and heavy machinery instead.
04:34 < zosky> ok leave it alone... so im not funny. shut up
04:34 < rsbeq-cam> Haha
04:34 < davidc__> hahaha
04:34 < zosky> no more teasting the n00b
04:34 < rsbeq-cam> Break it up
04:34 < zosky> hahaha
04:34 < davidc__> see, the bastard is coming out!
04:35 < rsbeq-cam> could be worse
04:35 < zosky> its all fun n' jokes
04:35 < rsbeq-cam> until someone dies
04:35 < davidc__> macpod's artwork explains everything
04:35 < davidc__> see: http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/User:Busonerd
04:35 < davidc__> [scroll down]
04:35 < rsbeq-cam> hahaha
04:36 < rsbeq-cam> What does busonerd mean?
04:37 < davidc__> eh, I barely remember
04:37 < rsbeq-cam> And do people make meat jokes about your name?
04:37 < davidc__> yeah.
04:37 < jintonic> hahahaha
04:37 < davidc__> And then I tenderize them
04:37 < rsbeq-cam> haha
04:37 < davidc__> My name actualy has a very interesting history
04:37 < normalperson> haha, I love that image
04:37 < davidc__> I'm a direct desendant of pirates.
04:37 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: I see you're not in the about
04:37 < davidc__> about?
04:37 < zosky> i like the pic. yall get allot of req for the 4g ?
04:38 < jintonic> i'm a direct descendant from the vikings
04:38 < rsbeq-cam> the about menu
04:38 < davidc__> yeah.
04:38 < davidc__> ah
04:38 < rsbeq-cam> You could have a bot respond to the phrase "4g"
04:38 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I was around a lot back up till june
04:38 < normalperson> I'm a direct descendant of my mom and dad...
04:38 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: Then I disappeared until about a week ago
04:38 < zosky> reponde with a kick
04:38 < jintonic> and my uncle is a belly dancer
04:39 < rsbeq-cam> what happened? and what does that matter, though?
04:39 < jintonic> no, not really :P
04:39 < davidc__> does what matter huh what?
04:39 < davidc__> I was explaining what my name means.
04:39 < rsbeq-cam> your absence
04:39 < courtc> rsbeq-cam - that about page thing is being fixed actually.. its missing a few names..
04:39 < davidc__> ah
04:39 < davidc__> school
04:39 < davidc__> was too busy
04:39 < zosky> shouldn't your aunt be the belly dancer ???
04:39 < rsbeq-cam> schoooooool
04:39 < jintonic> that's kinda the point
04:40 < rsbeq-cam> i am just ignoring the side conversation about belly-dancing
04:40 < jintonic> nobody wants to see a male belly dancer
04:40 < davidc__> no more belly dancing talk
04:40 < davidc__> unless its a belly dancing ipod
04:40 < davidc__> that would just be.. weird
04:40 < rsbeq-cam> ....
04:40 < jintonic> hehehe
04:40 < jintonic> yeah
04:41 < rsbeq-cam> So, davidc__, say I wanted to have a zoompct from 10 to 200
04:41 < davidc__> mmhmmm?
04:41 < rsbeq-cam> how would I determine the pixelskip amount?
04:41 < rsbeq-cam> I can understand when it's a 1/x fraction
04:42 < zosky> shiza, didnt reaslize it was soo late, i have to crash. got to work early tomorrow. peeps its been a slice, keep up the good work
04:42 < rsbeq-cam> bye zosk
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04:42 < Jonas_NZ> whats this about belly dancing :P
04:42 < rsbeq-cam> shut up
04:42 < zosky> l8ts
04:42 < courtc> normalperson - that patch looks dead easy..
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04:43 < davidc__> zosky: You can use a float for that
04:43 < davidc__> er
04:43 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: you can usea float for that :
04:43 < davidc__> I just meant, not in a tight loop
04:43 < normalperson> courtc: wait till you try to make a playlist editor :P
04:43 < jintonic> hmm... all of the companies that recieved the most patents in 2004 were electronics companies
04:43 < jintonic> all in the top 10 anyways
04:44 < rsbeq-cam> PLAGUEEE
04:44 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: what patch?
04:44 < normalperson> courtc: also, keep in mind that mppledit is the _only_ playlist editor for mpd that supports block-moves/block-deletes
04:44 < courtc> normalperson - what do you think about trying to get mpd to read the itunesdb?
04:44 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: I'm not even sure how a float would help...
04:44 < BleuLlama> what are the podzilla keyboard leetters for forward track, reverse track, and play/pause?
04:45 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: I thought you wanted to use a 1/
04:45 < courtc> rsbeq-cam - mpd client stuff
04:45 < davidc__> well, basically, you need to find out how big you want your scaled image to be
04:45 < davidc__> aka, screen size
04:45 < normalperson> courtc: absolutely nothing, remember that I don't use itunes at all
04:45 < rsbeq-cam> wmdf
04:45 < davidc__> wmdf?
04:45 < rsbeq-cam> << m > >>
04:45 < davidc__> whats that mean?
04:45 < courtc> BleuLlama - f w p
04:45 < normalperson> courtc: which means, start a separate branch of mpd for that, since I can't support it in mine
04:46 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: then you need to figure out how big the area you want to scale into your image is
04:46 < BleuLlama> thanks
04:46 < normalperson> courtc: this what happened to me and mpd upstream (shank), too, we just branched development
04:47 < rsbeq-cam> play is d not p
04:47 < normalperson> if I find tweaks and fixes, then I send it back up to him
04:47 < normalperson> but the ipod-specific stuff he's not interested in
04:47 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: "into my image"? you mean into the screen?
04:47 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: essentially
04:47 < normalperson> btw, GNU Arch rocks for this kind of stuff
04:47 < rsbeq-cam> Yes, so there's a portion of the pixmap that will map to the screen
04:48 < rsbeq-cam> arch has a cute octopus
04:48 < jintonic> struct is such a cool word
04:48 < jintonic> like... german or something
04:48 < rsbeq-cam> hahaha
04:48 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah sometimes I make structs with one element just so I can type struct
04:49 < normalperson> struct is short for structure :p
04:49 < rsbeq-cam> It's still cool
04:49 < normalperson> I guess it sounds cooler than class
04:49 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: if the pixmap area were twice the screen area I would just map every-other pixel... I was just wondering what to do if it weren't such a pretty fraction
04:50 < rsbeq-cam> much cooler
04:50 < normalperson> normalperson's definition of C: "C++ with only the things I understand" :)
04:51  * jintonic definition of C: --(C++)
04:51 < rsbeq-cam> Low-level language are both awesome and annoying
04:51 < rsbeq-cam> jintonic wins
04:51 < jintonic> i just code like that...
04:51 < jintonic> :)
04:52 < rsbeq-cam> Isn't that an undefined thing?
04:52 < rsbeq-cam> Or can you actually do that
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04:52 < jintonic> should be able to do that as long as c is defined..
04:53 < Jonas_NZ> any1 in here want gmail invites
04:53 < Jonas_NZ> i just got 24
04:53 < courtc> normalperson - what about having a functionality to import itunes? what is you opinion on the best way to implement itunes support?
04:53 < jintonic> wow
04:53 < Jonas_NZ> well i use a client so i dunno how long theyve been there
04:53 < courtc> that should only work (properly) if c is a pointer..
04:54 < normalperson> courtc: import itunes? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about?
04:54 < normalperson> itunes doesn't store music as ordinary files?
04:54 < courtc> rather, itunesdb..
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04:54 < rsbeq-cam> import it to what?
04:54 < courtc> ahh! i need my ipod..
04:54 < rsbeq-cam> something beyond libitunesdb?
04:55 < normalperson> courtc: look into hacking directory.c and tag.c, I guess
04:55  * rsbeq-cam wonders what happened to davidc__
04:55 < davidc__> I'm here
04:55 < courtc> aight.. I'll look at it...
04:55 < davidc__> oh
04:55 < davidc__> saw your question now
04:55 < rsbeq-cam> haha
04:55 < davidc__> umm
04:55 < davidc__> well, for example if you have source_cols and target_cols
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04:56 < courtc> char *c; c=
04:56 < davidc__> the skip # is target_cols / source cols
04:56 < courtc> d'ho
04:56 < normalperson> courtc: actually, directory.c has changed a lot in the latest upstream version (not yet ported to my ipod version, yet)
04:56 < rsbeq-cam> That could be a float......
04:56 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: use a float for now
04:56 < normalperson> courtc: some minor memory savings, afaik
04:56 < davidc__> I'll show ya how to do it with shifts and fixed point to be faster
04:56 < rsbeq-cam> How else would you do it, I was trying to ask
04:56 < davidc__> shifts and fixed point :(
04:56 < davidc__> err. :)
04:56 < rsbeq-cam> Because that would be a float in a tight loop ;)
04:57 < davidc__> yeah.. just use it for now
04:57 < davidc__> Once the code works
04:57 < rsbeq-cam> Alright
04:57 < rsbeq-cam> Thanks
04:57 < davidc__> I'll show ya the fixed point method
04:58 < davidc__> another trick is to do a few precalculations in floats
04:58 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, hey, this is addressed to everyone:  Why does nothing in podzilla call GrDestroyGC()?
04:58 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Of what sort?
05:00 < courtc> char *c; c=0x0; 0x00000001=8; --(c++); *c=7;  Im fairly sure
05:01 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: still working on em
05:01 < rsbeq-cam> "em"? :)
05:01 < rsbeq-cam> the calcs?
05:01 < davidc__> yeah.
05:01 < davidc__> basically you make some look up tables
05:01 < rsbeq-cam> Maybe we should just make a fixedpoint implementation to be shared among podzilla
05:02 < rsbeq-cam> Though that's a function call
05:02 < rsbeq-cam> inline...
05:02 < davidc__> err, fixedpoint is very limited to specific cirucumstances
05:02 < rsbeq-cam> Is it?
05:02 < courtc> rsbeq-cam - because nobody considers the fact that gc's arent only relevent to the current window..
05:02 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: But if the application creates it it ought to get rid of it when done, no?
05:03 < courtc> indeed
05:03 < rsbeq-cam> I guess it should be added throughout
05:04 < courtc> do it, and submit a patch..
05:04 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Sorry, lookup tables for _what_?
05:04 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: Once I'm done with this....
05:04 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: jumps
05:05 < davidc__> err, pixel jumps
05:05 < rsbeq-cam> I'm not sure how it would help to precalc
05:07 < davidc__> err,
05:07 < davidc__> the same jumps [row-wise]
05:07 < davidc__> are used for every row
05:08 < rsbeq-cam> Good point!
05:08 < rsbeq-cam> So just put it in an array?
05:08 < davidc__> yea
05:09 < rsbeq-cam> You could reuse rows and cols too, no?
05:09 < rsbeq-cam> I mean, the same in both dirs
05:09 < davidc__> well
05:09 < davidc__> well, at least one dimension you step through once
05:09 < davidc__> and one dimension you step through once for every step in the other dimension
05:09 < davidc__> so you optimize the inner loop
05:10 < davidc__> as for the outter loop, you gotta do one calculation per interation each time anyways
05:10 < rsbeq-cam> Hmm
05:10 < rsbeq-cam> I meant...
05:10 < rsbeq-cam> Create skip array
05:10 < rsbeq-cam> go to first row according to that
05:10 < davidc__> well
05:11 < rsbeq-cam> copy all columns in that row according to aray
05:11 < rsbeq-cam> next row by array
05:11 < rsbeq-cam> repeat
05:12 < BleuLlama> who do you send podzilla patches to?
05:13 < davidc__>  /dev/null
05:13 < BleuLlama> kthx
05:13 < courtc> patches@ipodlinux.org
05:13 < rsbeq-cam> patches@ipodlinux.org
05:13 < rsbeq-cam> courtc wins again
05:13 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Well?
05:13 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: sorta
05:13 < rsbeq-cam> Well, what's wrong :)
05:13 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: thinking of a way to explain
05:13 < rsbeq-cam> ok
05:13 < davidc__> well, the only point of making a LUT is if you're gonna use it more than once
05:14 < rsbeq-cam> You'd use it plenty...
05:14 < davidc__> yes
05:14 < davidc__> in one dimension
05:14 < rsbeq-cam> No, what I'm saying is
05:14 < davidc__> a one dimensional lut is fine
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05:14 < rsbeq-cam> The lookup table will be the same both horiz and vert
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05:14 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: hmm.
05:15 < rsbeq-cam> You won't use all of it in the smaller dimension
05:15 < rsbeq-cam> Do you see?
05:15 < davidc__> hmm.. hmm.. I'm tired
05:15 < rsbeq-cam> Haha
05:15 < davidc__> I didn't realize that :)
05:15 < rsbeq-cam> So, I'm right?
05:15 < davidc__> yeah
05:15 -!- Troll is now known as _Jeffg
05:16 < rsbeq-cam> I guess it just makes a lookup table big enough for the longest dim?
05:16 < davidc__> stop changing your damn nickname, whatever ur called
05:16 < davidc__> yeah
05:16 < _Jeffg> Im done
05:16 < rsbeq-cam> Aren't you banned?
05:16 < _Jeffg> Why?
05:16 < rsbeq-cam> You were yesterday
05:16 < _Jeffg> I've been good.
05:17 < rsbeq-cam> Sounds fun, davidc__... I'll implement it sometime
05:17 < davidc__> why was he banned?
05:17 < davidc__> what did he do
05:17 < davidc__> ?
05:17 < rsbeq-cam> _Someone_ was being a nuisance
05:17 < _Jeffg> I was pretty annoying
05:17 < davidc__> hm
05:17  * davidc__ goes to check the logs
05:17 < rsbeq-cam> ahha
05:17 < rsbeq-cam> That takes too much effort
05:18 < davidc__> what was that log link?
05:18  * davidc__ can't remember
05:18 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Where did you learn optimization algorithms and the like?
05:18 < _Jeffg> I did a lot of ctcp and nick stuff
05:18 < courtc> http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/
05:18 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: self taught
05:18 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: it just sorta makes sense to me
05:18 < rsbeq-cam> davidc__: Starting when? ;)
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05:20 < _Jeffg> No! I have been versioned
05:21 < rsbeq-cam> Huh?
05:21 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: eh.. I've just been coding for a loong time
05:21 < rsbeq-cam> Gotcha
05:21 < Jonas_NZ> every1 ctcp _Jeffg 
05:21 < BleuLlama> there.  etch-a-sketch like drawing toy done and submitted.  back to Vortex
05:21 < rsbeq-cam> Haha
05:21 < davidc__> Jonas_NZ: Don't feed the trolls
05:21 < rsbeq-cam> Got a screenshot BleuLlama ?
05:21 < Jonas_NZ> lol
05:21 < BleuLlama> heh. lemme make one
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05:22 < davidc__> oh _Jeffg: just so you know, I have a waaaaay shorter fuse then any of the other mods. You have been warned.
05:22 < _Jeffg> http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/test.html
05:22 < _Jeffg> ?
05:23 < davidc__> so no more trolling.
05:23 < _Jeffg> Davidc, i am not trolling. :)
05:23 < _Jeffg> It seems as if Jonas_NZ is ctcping
05:23 < Jonas_NZ> _Jeffg, i was trying to get a plugin going
05:23 < rsbeq-cam> How about a ti-83 emulator, guys
05:23 < davidc__> yes. Stop that Jonas_NZ 
05:23 < davidc__> _Jeffg: just a friendly advance warning :)
05:23 < _Jeffg> Ok.
05:24 < davidc__> I wasn't talking about now. more in reference to yesterday. or whenever
05:24 < _Jeffg> Whats this: http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/test.html
05:24 < _Jeffg> Yes
05:24 < Jonas_NZ> _Jeffg, i was trying to get a plugin going
05:24 < _Jeffg> o
05:24 < _Jeffg> How do i message peopel
05:24 < Jonas_NZ>  /msg
05:24 < rsbeq-cam> /msg nick message
05:25 < _Jeffg> o thanks
05:25 < _Jeffg>  /msg _Jeffg hi me
05:25 < davidc__> - the space
05:25 < _Jeffg> woah
05:25 < _Jeffg> what about talking in red
05:26 < davidc__> don't
05:26 < davidc__> we all hate colors
05:26 < _Jeffg> _Jeffg, 
05:26 < _Jeffg> that thing
05:26 < _Jeffg> #FF0000
05:26 < _Jeffg> dang
05:26 < rsbeq-cam> I don't speak spanish
05:27 < _Jeffg> No sabes espanol?
05:27 < _Jeffg> im gunna leave
05:27 < rsbeq-cam> Ok
05:27 < davidc__> yeah
05:27 < _Jeffg> ive been in this chat room soo long
05:27 < davidc__> before you're kb'ed
05:27 < rsbeq-cam> Have a nice day
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05:27 < BleuLlama> http://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Image/2005/01/PodDraw.gif
05:27 < rsbeq-cam> Motherfucker
05:27 < davidc__> yay!
05:28 < rsbeq-cam> Hey, a RITer
05:28 < davidc__> cool
05:28 < BleuLlama> yep
05:28 < rsbeq-cam> Wow, you even implement colors
05:28 < rsbeq-cam> "colors"
05:28 < BleuLlama> yes.  "colors"
05:28 < BleuLlama> heh
05:28 < davidc__> that would be cool on a photo
05:28 < BleuLlama> yeah...
05:29 < rsbeq-cam> It's still just lines though
05:29 < davidc__> haha
05:29 < davidc__> put a clone tool on it
05:30 < BleuLlama> heh. it's just this for now.  perhaps i'll add more later... (like saving the images out somewhere... that'd be neat)
05:31 < rsbeq-cam> There's no reason you couldn't play collaba-sketch over an audiocable
05:32 < BleuLlama> sure... or over serial or something...
05:32 < BleuLlama> heh
05:32 < rsbeq-cam> I don't want to make an adapter
05:32 < BleuLlama> http://ipodlinux.org/PodDraw
05:33 < rsbeq-cam> You have a very fast turnover rate, BleuLlama 
05:33 < rsbeq-cam> You're good at putting out
05:33 < rsbeq-cam> applications
05:33 < BleuLlama> heh
05:34 < BleuLlama> hmmm. can i attach files to wiki pages? 
05:34 < BleuLlama> just a lot of coding experience i guess.  i code quick.
05:34 < rsbeq-cam> I code dirty
05:35 < courtc> BleuLlama is an ancient coder.. Hes be coding for like 73 years..
05:35 < rsbeq-cam> that's almost a century!
05:37 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: That the second most useless IRC statement that I've ever seen.
05:37 < davidc__> :p
05:37 < BleuLlama> nah... only 71 years
05:37 < courtc> haha davidc__ 
05:37 < rsbeq-cam> What's the most?
05:37 < BleuLlama> there we go.  link to the code on the page too.
05:37 < rsbeq-cam> By the way, when is 4g support coming out?
05:37 < davidc__> DIEEEEEE
05:38 < rsbeq-cam> We just have to compile the ipod mini!@#Aaa
05:39 < davidc__> don't tempt me :)
05:39 < courtc> etch-a-sketch = game?
05:40 < BleuLlama> i dunno how to classify it, actually
05:40 < BleuLlama> more of a toy
05:40 < BleuLlama> a boring toy
05:40 < BleuLlama> but a toy nonetheless
05:40 < davidc__> we need a menu title: WTF
05:40 < courtc> haha!
05:40 < davidc__> where we put all the crazy shit BleuLlama comes up with
05:40 < BleuLlama> i'm looking at the current development page, but i can't justify putting it in there. heh
05:40 < rsbeq-cam> Haha
05:40 < rsbeq-cam> It's a major selling point
05:40 < davidc__> oh yeah
05:40 < BleuLlama> it's a bullet item for the packaging
05:41 < rsbeq-cam> You need to somehow implement a shake-sensor
05:41 < davidc__> everyone knows that a 500$ ipod should work like a 3$ toy
05:41 < rsbeq-cam> So you can clear the screen old-school
05:41 < BleuLlama> hehe. yeah
05:41 < davidc__> rsbeq-cam: just rev up the hd
05:41 < davidc__> and watch for head-crashes
05:41 < rsbeq-cam> And wa....... aaahhahha
05:41 < BleuLlama> i was about to say that, david. hahahaha
05:41 < davidc__> I volunteer to test the code with rsbeq-cam's ipod.
05:41 < rsbeq-cam> OK!!111
05:42 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: If you're looking for something else to make.... tamagotchi emulator
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05:42 < davidc__> press button < button >
05:42 < davidc__> press other button < other button >
05:42 < davidc__> press button < button >
05:42 < davidc__> press button < sledgehammer >
05:42 < BleuLlama> hehehe
05:42 < davidc__> thats how tamagotchi's work
05:42 < qeusa> Who wants to play pong?
05:42 < rsbeq-cam> They're so bloody annoying
05:43 < rsbeq-cam> I never understood who would buy them
05:43 < rsbeq-cam> OK
05:43 < rsbeq-cam> | .
05:43 < qeusa>     .|
05:43 < rsbeq-cam> |.
05:43 < qeusa>              .|
05:43 < rsbeq-cam> |||||.........!!!
05:43 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+m ] by davidc__
05:43 < courtc> thank god
05:43 < davidc__> yeah
05:43 < davidc__> whew
05:43 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-m ] by davidc__
05:44 < davidc__> let the insanity begin
05:44 < BleuLlama> nice. :)
05:44 < qeusa> Why :P
05:44 < rsbeq-cam> Nah, it's not fun anymore
05:44 < rsbeq-cam> Let's play pong in the topic
05:44 < qeusa> Who?
05:45 < rsbeq-cam> qeusa: Were you consciously copying a bash.org quote?
05:45 < qeusa> Yes.
05:45 < rsbeq-cam> Ok.
05:45 < qeusa> Seemed like a good idea at the time...
05:45 < davidc__> and in my own copy, I want a device that lets me stab people in the face over the internet!
05:45 < rsbeq-cam> arharhar
05:45 < BleuLlama> lol
05:46 < rsbeq-cam> Can the piezo act as a speaker?
05:46 < davidc__> yeah, although a really crappy one
05:46 < rsbeq-cam> How bad?
05:46  * davidc__ goes off to make it play chiptunes
05:46 < rsbeq-cam> Does it make tones?
05:46 < rsbeq-cam> Or just clicks
05:46 < rsbeq-cam> I mean, can it do Gameboy music?
05:46 < davidc__> err, maybe
05:46 < qeusa> Isn't it the thing inside the ipod that clicks?
05:47 < davidc__> yeah, but the piezo can do almost anything
05:47 < courtc> yup..
05:47 < rsbeq-cam> We could have ipod ring tones....
05:47 < qeusa> Neat-o.
05:47 < rsbeq-cam> Psh
05:47 < davidc__> or, we could invent another method to drive other people insane instead
05:47 < rsbeq-cam> Okay
05:47 < BleuLlama> i remember there used to be a windows PC-Speaker audio driver, you could send music out to it.. in glorious 1 bit sound... it sounded horrible, but it worked
05:47 < qeusa> or I could do my insane monkey dance for a man named joe...
05:48 < rsbeq-cam> What??
05:48 < qeusa> Ask joe.
05:48 < rsbeq-cam> Okay, this is getting to not be worth staying up anymore
05:48 < davidc__> hahaha
05:48 < rsbeq-cam> I have an exam in... 7 hours
05:48 < davidc__> yeah. go to bed
05:48 < davidc__> I'll assist with a kick if need be
05:49 < rsbeq-cam> Haha
05:49 < BleuLlama> last exam i had was like 8 years ago. hehe
05:49 < rsbeq-cam> I'm no IRC addict
05:49 < rsbeq-cam> Will you be aroundn tomorrow, davidc__ ?
05:49 < davidc__> me neither 
05:49  * davidc__ shoots up another hit of CTCP
05:49 < davidc__> yeah
05:49 < davidc__> probably
05:49 < davidc__> maybe
05:49 < davidc__> at some point
05:49 < BleuLlama> dude. pass some over here
05:49 < rsbeq-cam> Dude, you can't trust the CTCP round here
05:50 < rsbeq-cam> Okay
05:50  * davidc__ passes BleuLlama some CTCP
05:50 < rsbeq-cam> Later
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05:52 < qeusa> Is it true leachbj is close to buying a 4g/mini?
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05:53 < davidc__> qeusa: I think he's gettin a photo soon
05:53 < courtc> yea.. thats the impression i got also..
05:54 < qeusa> Photo, nice. I really hope progress speeds up, I wish I could help in some way.
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05:55 < ryanlrussell> Anyone know what the flash size is on the PP5020?
05:56 < courtc> 8mbit i think
05:56 < ryanlrussell> OK
05:56 < ryanlrussell> thanks
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05:57 < qeusa> Has anyone noticed when the backlight goes off, it glows a dim blue, then actually turns off? Is it possible to keep it like this?
05:57 < qeusa> It may be just for mini's though, my cousins 3g isn't like that.
05:58 < courtc> never noticed...
05:58 < BleuLlama> my 4g has a blue tinge to it.  (3g is more gray than blue)
05:58 < BleuLlama> and in the diagnostic menu, you can set the backlight to different brightness levels.
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05:58 < qeusa> Does it stay that way?
05:58 < courtc> wow.. thats cool..
05:58 < BleuLlama> so i imagine you could somehow set the brightness to an arbitrary level
05:58 < BleuLlama> no
05:59 < qeusa> Oh. It would really lengthen the battery life.
05:59 < qeusa> What is the setting? (in the diagnostic menu)
06:00 < BleuLlama> i'm looking. i thought i saw it in there once
06:02 < qeusa> I think you confused it with contrast.
06:02 < BleuLlama> the photo can do brightness levels in its menu http://www.ipodlounge.com/articles_more.php?id=5458_0_8_0_M
06:05 < qeusa> Aha. If linux were available for iPod Photos, would it be possible to run through a slideshow at 24 images per second and play audio at the same time?
06:05 < davidc__> qeusa: not 24, 23.97 perhaps.
06:06 < qeusa> Funny :P
06:06 < davidc__> I'm hilarious
06:06 < qeusa> ;)
06:06 < qeusa> Would it be possible though?
06:07 < BleuLlama> found it.
06:08 < davidc__> maybe
06:08 < davidc__> but I doubt it
06:09 < BleuLlama> lemme see if i can get back into it
06:09 < qeusa> How about b&w ipods playing animations like the ones shown on some car stereo systems? Those look pretty cool, and are 4 bit.
06:10 < jintonic> "if we don't stand behind the president then what do we have. we have a country that doesn't stand for anything!" -- some dude i just saw in my local news
06:10 < davidc__> haha. what a loser.
06:11 < jintonic> oh no! if we don't trust in some dude that half of us didn't vote for we are lost :((
06:11 < qeusa> the search for 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' is over.
06:11 < qeusa> I heard it on the news today, bush deserves a foot in the ass.
06:11 < jintonic> i found them on google
06:12 < courtc> hey now more than halve of us didnt vote for him.. he just got the majority
06:12 < qeusa> Wasn't it 49% kerry 51% bush? meaning 1 out of 2 americans are idiots.
06:12 < BleuLlama> okay... go into contrast test.  hit play to go on to the next test.  every so often, you hit menu, and it brings up a "PWM xxx" above the bottom row of text
06:12 < jintonic> slightly less than half of 322 million... that's certainly no minority
06:13 < BleuLlama> the xxx is a number... when it gets near 0, (<< >>) the brightness changes
06:13 < qeusa> thx
06:13 < davidc__> hahah.. I wrote C++ code so ugly it takes 15 seconds to compile
06:13 < BleuLlama> i dig it around 7
06:14 < qeusa> I'm lucky if my codes compile at all...
06:14 < jintonic> davidc__: i wrote c code so ugly it makes nearby kittens explode
06:14 < qeusa> lmao
06:14 < courtc> perhaps it just means 100% of americans are idiots.. I voted libertarian
06:15 < BleuLlama> i think i had to hit the action button to get it into the mode.  it's strange, i can't figure out that menu
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06:16 < courtc> haha
06:16 < courtc> ~foo@ool
06:16 < jintonic> yeah, thats a good one
06:17 < davidc__> haha
06:17 < davidc__> thats frickin hilarious
06:17 < davidc__> I wonder if its intentional
06:17 < BleuLlama> actually... i got it.   contrast test, then press the center button on any screen.  the screen will flash.  left and right now adjust backlight brightness
06:18 < jintonic> i bet it was accidental at first
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06:20 < cohmapapphome> Judging from the handbook, I'm about 3/4 of the way through installing gentoo.  Question: Which kernel should I use?  gentoo-dev-sources is kernel 2.6 patched with performance features
06:20 < qeusa> gentoo on what?
06:20 < cohmapapphome> pentium 3
06:20 < qeusa> oh nvm
06:20 < cohmapapphome> :-)
06:20 < courtc> 2.6.10nitro?
06:21 < cohmapapphome> not sure.  I'm looking at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap7
06:21 < qeusa> It'd be cool if you could run linux on ipods...
06:21 < cohmapapphome> 7.1b
06:21 < courtc> qeusa  ... ... ...
06:21 < qeusa> It's my beg time. I have to go night night. Buh bye.
06:21 < qeusa> I'm made of bananas btw.
06:21 < qeusa> :ASKHfg89uiqheg
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06:22 < jintonic> :-/
06:23 < courtc> cohmapapphome - dunno.. I always compile my own..
06:23 < cohmapapphome> ok, cool.
06:25  * jintonic still can't figure why people that talk for a living can't talk (referring to tv news hosts)
06:27 < courtc> ircd is retarded
06:27 < courtc> # ircdwatch 
06:27 < courtc> ircd not running. attempting to start ircd...
06:27 < courtc> /usr/sbin/ircd: error: unable to find "/usr/sbin/iauth".
06:28 < courtc> # which iauth
06:28 < courtc> /usr/sbin/iauth
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06:42 < davidc__> g'night all
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06:43 < Jonas_NZ> P A R T Y
06:44 < courtc> ah hem...
06:46 < Jonas_NZ> oh theres still mods here :(
06:46  * Jonas_NZ packs his stereo back into its box and calls the pizza company to cancel the order
06:46 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o macPod ] by courtc
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06:47 < Jonas_NZ> btw what does the half op status allow you to do?
06:48 < jintonic> change the topic
06:48 < jintonic> :P
06:48 < jintonic> you get to be the official channel topic changer
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06:51 < Jonas_NZ> :P
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06:57 < Wammy> how do i set what workgroup for smb to run under?
06:58 < courtc> samba?
06:58 < Wammy> yes
06:58 < Wammy> i dont remeber what to add to smb.conf
06:58 < courtc> it should be a 'domain' setting...
06:59 < courtc> workgroup = FREEOS
07:00 < Wammy> ok thx
07:00 < courtc> yup..
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07:01 < Wammy> w00t worked
07:02 < courtc> Of course it did ;)
07:03 < cohmapapphome> courtc, can you give me any suggestions for the USE variable and make.conf?
07:04 < cohmapapphome> [regarding gentoo install]
07:04 < courtc> cohmapapphome - if you arent too picky, you can leave it as-is usually..
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07:05 < cohmapapphome> cool, thanks
07:08 < Jonas_NZ> cohmapapphome, what stage are you building from?
07:11 < cohmapapphome> stage 3, as directed by courtc
07:11 < cohmapapphome> booyah
07:12 < Jonas_NZ> yeah, i tried a stage 1 install on dialup
07:12 < Jonas_NZ> then i decided i didnt have a millenium to spare
07:12 < cohmapapphome> wow, brave
07:13 < Jonas_NZ> so im now back to fc3 until i get broadband
07:13 < cohmapapphome> when will you be getting broadband?
07:14 < Jonas_NZ> soon hopefully
07:14 < Jonas_NZ> in the meantime i just lug my box to a friends place once in a while and get updates
07:15 < cohmapapphome> cool
07:17 < jintonic> get wifi?
07:17 < jintonic> :)
07:17 < Jonas_NZ> too far
07:17 < Jonas_NZ> its about 800m
07:17 < Jonas_NZ> non line of sight
07:17 < Synapse-> Get a big pole
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07:17 < jintonic> you could do it with a nice directional antenna
07:17 < Synapse-> and put a satellite ant on it.
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07:19 < jintonic> could end up being the cost of a few months of broadband going synapse's route i'd think
07:20 < Jonas_NZ> jintonic, trust me weve tried, and our project is currently on hold
07:20 < Jonas_NZ> not enuf cash to buy wifi gear
07:20 < Jonas_NZ> being high school students and all
07:20 < Jonas_NZ> we borrowed budget stuff for a week
07:20 < Jonas_NZ> and almost got a stable connection
07:22 < courtc> not enuf cash to buy wifi beer?
07:22 < courtc> man I'm tired
07:22 < Jonas_NZ> plus its bloddy expensive in nz
07:22 < jintonic> have you tried aiming the antenna at australia?
07:22 < jintonic> :D
07:22 < Jonas_NZ> courtc, go sleep then
07:23 < Jonas_NZ> jintonic, what so we can overhear ppl shagging sheep
07:23 < jintonic> hehehe
07:23 < Synapse-> Jonas_NZ: You're the ram rooters!
07:24 < Jonas_NZ> lol, i new there was gonna be an argument, but look im not a kiwi so say all you like
07:24 < Jonas_NZ> i just live here
07:26 < jintonic> then you chose to live among the kiwis ;)
07:26 < courtc> Jonas_NZ - go work for bliss stick kayaks.. I've got 2 friends working there..
07:27 < Jonas_NZ> yeah, its real fun to work between skool (8:30 - 4:30) sport and all and a social life and sleep
07:27 < courtc> plus you can learn how to kayak..
07:27 < Jonas_NZ> hmm
07:27 < Jonas_NZ> courtc, The internic network would be which country :P
07:28 < courtc> haha.. i'm in the US, Ga
07:28 < Jonas_NZ> ok
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07:34 < jintonic> what network watch system am i trying to think of: NetworkWatchMan <-- not it
07:34 < jintonic> aha!
07:34 < jintonic> mynetwatchman
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07:48 < Jonas_NZ> courtc: where is bliss stick kayaks in nz anyways ive never heard of em
07:50 < courtc> RD 2 Taihape
07:53 < Jonas_NZ> lol
07:53 < Jonas_NZ> Taihape, such a hole
07:53 < courtc> http://www.bliss-stick.com/ they have some pretty good boats
07:55 < Jonas_NZ> hmm, come to think of it the kayak in our garage is made by em
07:55 < Jonas_NZ> :P
07:56 < courtc> http://www.bliss-stick.com/gallery/?spgmGal=RAD%20Huka%20Falls&spgmPic=12&spgmFilters=#pic  the tool in the blue is one of my friends.. dave
07:57 < courtc> lemme see if I can find the other f'er
07:58 < Jonas_NZ> gotta love this
07:58 < Jonas_NZ> http://www.bliss-stick.com/gallery/?spgmGal=RAD_in_action&spgmPic=0&spgmFilters=#pic
07:59 < courtc> yea, that kid has some talent..
07:59 < Jonas_NZ> either that or he completely lost controll
08:00 < courtc> naw, look at his paddle position and the way the water is coming of the boat..
08:00 < Jonas_NZ> yeah
08:01 < courtc> http://www.bliss-stick.com/gallery/?spgmGal=2004_Bliss-Stick_River-Fest&spgmPic=26&spgmFilters=#pic    the kid in the large yellow jacket.. thats my other friend, nick..
08:02 < Jonas_NZ> cronic red eye on every one in the second row
08:02 < courtc> haha..
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08:06 < jintonic> heh, thats what i was thinking too :P
08:07 < courtc> http://www.bliss-stick.com/gallery/?spgmGal=2003_Bliss-Stick_River_Valley_Festival&spgmPic=2&spgmFilters=#pic  has some pretty good pics of loops.. 
08:08 < jintonic> lery/?spgmGal=2003_Bliss-Stick_River_Valley_Festival&spgmPic=6&spgmFilters=#pic not going to be righting himself immediately
08:09 < courtc> thats the beginning of a loop
08:10 < courtc> his boat'll pop up and he'll throw his body down.. and land somewhat upright
08:10 < jintonic> ah, using the bouyancy to shoot em up then curl up to flip?
08:10 < courtc> yup..
08:10 < Jonas_NZ> hmm, it looks insanely fun
08:10 < courtc> that it is..
08:10 < jintonic> i would LOVE to try this: http://www.bliss-stick.com/gallery/?spgmGal=2003_Bliss-Stick_River_Valley_Festival&spgmPic=11&spgmFilters=#pic
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08:11 < courtc> haha.. those are pretty popular.. 
08:13 < jintonic> i've gone white water river rafting before, that was a lot of fun, only done kayaking in pretty lame settings though... lakes, slow creeks...
08:14 < courtc> yea, its a very different experience in a kayak..
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09:26 < cohmapapphome> courtc, install is done
09:27 < cohmapapphome> courtc, how do I run the window manager?
09:28 < cohmapapphome> I'll just figure it out tomorrow
09:28 < cohmapapphome> networking didn't start either.  :-(
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09:57 < JonAn> hello
09:59 < leachbj> hi
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10:26 < johnny007> moin
10:27 < leachbj> moin moin
10:27 < johnny007> :)
10:29 < Jonas_NZ> leachbj, you up already
10:30 < leachbj> already == 11:30am
10:30 < Jonas_NZ> lol
10:30 < Jonas_NZ> it seems like only a couple of hours ago that you went to bed
10:34 < wbniv> i'm trying to compile podzilla (for the desktop first, on my mac) using the directions on http://www.ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla_for_the_Desktop 
10:34 < wbniv> configure.ac:8: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not `AC_CONFIG_HEADER'
10:34 < wbniv> aclocal.m4:166: version mismatch.  This is Automake 1.6.3, but aclocal.m4
10:34 < wbniv> aclocal.m4:166: was generated for Automake 1.7.9.  You should recreate
10:34 < wbniv> aclocal.m4:166: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again.
10:34 < wbniv> is what i get when i run =automake -a -f=
10:35 < leachbj> You should recreate aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again. ;)
10:35 < wbniv> i am re-running aclocal to see if that helps, but i don't think that's going to cause the error(?) on line 8 to go away
10:35 < Jonas_NZ> G´NITE all
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10:36 < wbniv> just =aclocal= with no parameters, i assume ?  (sorry, i'm quite out of my area with the auto* tools)
10:37 < wbniv> ok, i ran =aclocal= ; i do still get this error message, but i'm proceeding...
10:37 < wbniv> wbniv:~/iPod/desktop/libitunesdb_0.5.1 wbniv$ automake -a -f
10:37 < wbniv> configure.ac:8: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not `AC_CONFIG_HEADER'
10:39 < wbniv> backing up a bit, i deleted the directory and started over, this time running =aclocal= *before* automake/configure and i get these error(?) messages:
10:39 < wbniv> wbniv:~/iPod/desktop/libitunesdb_0.5.1 wbniv$ automake -a -f
10:39 < wbniv> configure.ac:8: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not `AC_CONFIG_HEADER'
10:39 < wbniv> configure.ac: installing `./install-sh'
10:39 < wbniv> configure.ac: installing `./mkinstalldirs'
10:39 < wbniv> configure.ac: installing `./missing'
10:39 < wbniv> Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/automake line 8449.
10:39 < wbniv> : installing `./config.guess'
10:39 < wbniv> Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/automake line 8449.
10:40 < wbniv> : installing `./config.sub'
10:40 < wbniv> Makefile.am: installing `./INSTALL'
10:40 < wbniv> src/Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp'
10:40 < wbniv> (continuing with build...)
10:40 < leachbj> pls use #ipodlinuxflood
10:40 < wbniv> sorry, ok
10:40 < leachbj> np
10:40 < leachbj> so it looks like it works now
10:41 < wbniv> maybe, it's running configure atm
10:41 < wbniv> have you built the desktop version on the mac before?
10:42 < leachbj> no, i dont have a mac
10:42 < leachbj> others have though
10:42  * wbniv nods
10:43 < leachbj> i think you need the CVS version of libitunesdb for the mac...
10:44 < wbniv> k, ta, will get that now
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11:01 < wbniv> k, got the source, looks like cvs is required for mac (support bswap_32, per your comments)...
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11:42 < fre_ber> Hello
11:43 < leachbj> hi fre_ber
11:43 < fre_ber> I am not really here.. ;)
11:44 < leachbj> i am...
11:44 < fre_ber> So, any news? I noticed that Nilss' craziness payed off. Things are in motion now, I suppose?
11:46 < leachbj> pretty well, the timer interrupt handling is giving me some grief at the moment
11:46 < leachbj> but if I can sort that out we should have a basic kernel booting (hopefully with framebuffer console)
11:46 < fre_ber> My only real interest in 4g development is that I would like to see it running so that you can focus on more interesting things.. ;)
11:47 < leachbj> haha
11:47 < leachbj> looks like some others are starting to pick up on podzilla so hopefully that will keep moving
11:47 < leachbj> (what do you see as more interesting?)
11:48 < fre_ber> Yes, but the things I was thinking about was makingthe COP run MPD or something... And a new firewire driver would be nice... ;)
11:49 < fre_ber> Unfortunately I feel that this is slightly too low level for me. :(
11:50 < leachbj> i'm a bit unmotivated with firewire at the moment... damn linux drivers are too unstable in 2.6
11:50 < fre_ber> I see. 
11:51 < leachbj> but I guess I'll get there one day ;)
11:51 < leachbj> i think supporting the 4g changes might be easier with the 2.6 kernel.
11:51 < fre_ber> Really?
11:52 < leachbj> yeah, the new driver model i think helps
11:53 < fre_ber> Ok, I don't know any of the driver models. However, I did manage to compile a driver once.. ;)
11:54 < fre_ber> But that was for a DAB radio card, and I didn't have to write the code.
11:57 < fre_ber> Do you think that it would be tricky to compile Linux drivers under Cygwin? I'm guessing that I have to manage to compile the kernel for this? 
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12:41 < at0m> hi
12:41 < at0m> has anyone got some code that will change the pitch of the peizo?
12:42 < at0m> an example in c?
12:42 < leachbj> on the 4g?
12:42 < at0m> sorry no, 3g
12:42 < leachbj> under linux?
12:43 < at0m> yea
12:43 < leachbj> did you look at the code in podzilla?
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12:43 < ipodvoid> hi :)
12:44 < at0m> yea, i dont see anyway to control pitch
12:44 < ipodvoid> For the current progress on the analysis of the bootloader, visit the channel
12:44 < ipodvoid> are there any news? :)
12:45 < leachbj> at0m: see http://www.ipodlinux.org/IPod_Programming
12:45 < ipodvoid> i love u guys
12:45 < leachbj> ipodvoid: slow progress
12:45 < ipodvoid> *donate*
12:45 < ipodvoid> leachbj: how can the progress be accelerated? *G*
12:45 < at0m> cheers: looking now
12:46 < leachbj> not much that can be done at the moment, we have a few hundred thousand lines of asm to look at.
12:48 < at0m> so can i use ioctl() to adust the baud rate?
12:49 < ipodvoid> leachbj: i dont want any promises but are u able to give me some kind of prognosis?
12:49 < ipodvoid> maybe
12:49 < ipodvoid> 6 months
12:49 < leachbj> at0m: sure
12:49 < ipodvoid> until it will work? *G*
12:49 < leachbj> ipodvoid: to get to where we are at with the 4g i would guess up to 6mths
12:49 < leachbj> but i hope to get somewhere close in the next month or two
12:50 < ipodvoid> i would be happy  :))
12:50 < ipodvoid> gtkpod + apple soft works anyway well
12:50 < ipodvoid> but...
12:51 < ipodvoid> my new startpage: http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g
12:51 < ipodvoid> ;)
12:51 < ipodvoid> has apple never contactet you? 
12:51 < leachbj> ipodvoid try the blog... any major milestones reached will go up there
12:51 < leachbj> no apple contact no
12:51 < ipodvoid> because of hiring? *G*
12:51 < ipodvoid> mh
12:52 < ipodvoid> have u ever contactet apple to get some infos that would speed up the developing on everything which would take a while under normal circumstances?
12:53 < ipodvoid> by the way excuse my bad english..
12:53 < leachbj> no apple wont give out the information
12:55 < ipodvoid> am i nerving? *G*
12:56 < ipodvoid> i cannot understand why apple wont unterstand linux..
12:56 < nilss> lol i'd guess someone who don't speak german would unterstand that as "nervös" ;)
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12:56 < ipodvoid> nilss: for sure some of my pals understand it *G*
12:56 < ipodvoid> http://dict.leo.org/se?lp=ende&p=/Mn4k.&search=nerving
12:56 < ipodvoid> ;>
12:57 < ipodvoid> nilss: nice work btw, you must be insane ;)
12:57 < nilss> hmm yea ;)
12:57 < nilss> i just want to use linux on my ipod ;)
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12:58 < ipodvoid> me too
12:58 < ipodvoid> whatever it takes *G*
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12:58 < ipodvoid> nilss: where are you from? (germany haha ;))
12:58 < nilss> yea
12:58 < nilss> schleswig holstein ;)
12:58 < ipodvoid> funky
12:58 < ipodvoid> <-- Bad.-Württ.
12:58 < nilss> hehe
12:59 < ipodvoid> how can i support you? beside a donation?
12:59 < leachbj> patience ;)
12:59 < ipodvoid> *G*
12:59 < at0m> :)
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13:00 < ipodvoid> leachbj: where are u from?
13:00 < ipodvoid> isnt there anybody who works @ apple and is willed to steal the blueprints? *G*
13:00 < leachbj> australia, but I live in weisbaden
13:01 < ramp> weisbaden?
13:01 < nilss> ipodvoid: afaik no ;) i think we now have all code we need. now we need just time to read through it ;)
13:02 < ipodvoid> nilss: go along *duckncover*
13:02 < ipodvoid> leachbj: id prefer australia 4 sure *G*
13:02 < nilss> ramp: i think he means "Wiesbaden" in germany ;)
13:02 < ipodvoid> germany is toooooo cold *G*
13:02 < ramp> i'm glad that this project is the work of an australian.
13:02 < ipodvoid> .oO( ok maybe australia is tooo hot *g* )
13:03 < leachbj> ramp: even if he is a victorian ;)
13:04 < ramp> could be worse, he could be from the act
13:04 < ramp> hail mary
13:04 < ipodvoid> leachbj: whats the bj in leachbj? 
13:05 < leachbj> haha
13:05 < ipodvoid> hum?
13:05  * ramp lives in sydney
13:05 < leachbj> ipodvoid: /whois leachbj ??
13:05 < ipodvoid> omg
13:06 < ipodvoid> chatting for about 5 years but iam still unable to use basic commands *G*
13:06 < nilss> heh
13:06 < ipodvoid> (except /kill and /kline) ;)
13:09 < ipodvoid> nilss: beneath a favor for linux on ipod we use the same ircsoft ;)
13:09 < nilss> hehe
13:10 < ipodvoid> nilss: whats your profession?
13:10 < nilss> you mean "beruf"?
13:10 < ipodvoid> jap
13:11 < nilss> student at a "realschule" ;)
13:11 < ipodvoid> isnt profession "beruf"? *G*
13:11 < ipodvoid> mh
13:11 < nilss> yea, but i think that's uncommon, you'd rather say "job" i think
13:12 < ipodvoid> you should join asap the "gymnasium" for studying it ;>
13:12 < nilss> i was at one a few years ago but didnt like it
13:12 < wbniv> is there is disassembly available somewhere?  i did a tiny amount of arm assembly years ago on the 3do ---
13:13 < nilss> wbniv: you can disassemble it yourself ;)
13:15 < wbniv> ok, where's the binary?  or do i have to extract it myself? 
13:15 < wbniv> (i have an ipod mini, btw)
13:15 < nilss> i dont know if it's legal if i upload it...
13:15 < wbniv> hehe, and soon a mac mini ;-)
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13:21 < ipodvoid> nilss: i dont rate people because of scoolar education but in my opinion itd be better 
13:22 < ipodvoid> you should study it! ;)
13:22 < nilss> study what?
13:22 < ipodvoid> informatics
13:23 < ipodvoid> tell me if i abuse the use of this channel *G*
13:23 < nilss> mhm but informatics doesnt have much to do with what i do now ;)
13:23 < ipodvoid> nilss: obviously you spent most of your time on front of your box *G*
13:24 < nilss> yea but that's not informatik
13:24 < ipodvoid> after your b levels ("mittlere reife"), what you wanna do?
13:24 < nilss> i'm not sure yet, maybe "abi" or begin a "lehre" ;)
13:25 < ipodvoid> k but it is linked w/ many other branches
13:25 < ipodvoid> what kind of "lehre"? *G*
13:25 < ipodvoid> (how old r u? ;))
13:25 < nilss> 17
13:25 < nilss> you?
13:25 < ipodvoid> 20
13:25 < nilss> i'd like to do something with unix and networks ;)
13:26 < ipodvoid> i dislike the gymnasium too  but the a levels open doors
13:26 < ipodvoid> yap thats my wish too ;)
13:26 < nilss> maybe i'll go to a "fachgymansium" or something
13:27 < ipodvoid> but major itcompanies ask for a abitur ;)
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13:27 < ipodvoid> i would advise you to go there *G*
13:28 < ipodvoid> iam deeply impressed about s.o. dumping the ipodflash w a micro *G*
13:28 < nilss> heh
13:30 < ipodvoid> if u start a "lehre" as "fachinformatiker" or so on youd maybe end as a "kabelträger" 
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13:31 < ipodvoid> one of my best friends had really bad luck with his "lehre" 
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13:35 < ipodvoid> nilss: excuse me in cae of being insulting
13:35 < ipodvoid> that wasnt my intent
13:35 < nilss> nope i'm just quite busy with a perl project
13:36 < ipodvoid> is it in any way connectet to the ipodlinux project? +G*
13:36 < nilss> dont think so ;)
13:36 < ipodvoid> stop it! ;>
13:36 < nilss> i'm trying to control my creative jukebox from a script
13:36 < nilss> so i can have a nice gui for it
13:37 < ipodvoid> crative jukebox?
13:37 < ipodvoid> mobile mp3player? *G*
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13:37 < nilss> yea, but it has the size of a discman ;)
13:38 < ipodvoid> dont u use your 4g ipod?
13:38 < nilss> i replaced it with the ipod because that's much smaller and weights less
13:38 < ipodvoid> what os you r usin?
13:38 < nilss> only linux
13:38 < ipodvoid> distribution? *G*
13:39 < nilss> gentoo & debian
13:39 < ipodvoid> well more and more connections between us ;)
13:39 < nilss> heh
13:39 < ipodvoid> but according to my mood ill send this gentoobox to hell asap
13:40 < nilss> hmm? why?
13:40 < ipodvoid> ah package updats
13:40 < ipodvoid> which wont work
13:40 < nilss> lol
13:40 < ipodvoid> broken kernel ebuilds...
13:40 < nilss> i never really update my workstations
13:41 < nilss> just some packages from time to time
13:41 < ipodvoid> yap
13:41 < ipodvoid> the fsckin kernel ebuild on my gentoogateway also wont work ;)
13:41 < nilss> i only upgrade kernels manually
13:42 < ipodvoid> i like die gentoo sources
13:42 < nilss> the ;)
13:42 < ipodvoid> omg
13:42 < ipodvoid> 3 irssi sessions inside 1 screen
13:42 < ipodvoid> toooo much *G*
13:42 < nilss> heh, i use screen, too ;)
13:42 < nilss> but i only have 1 irssi
13:43 < nilss> for 5 networks or something, haven't counted ;)
13:43 < ipodvoid> (for 2 languages and 1 singletaksing brain)
13:43 < nilss> heh, the other channels i'm in are quite silent
13:43 < ipodvoid> yeah but my "homebase"irssi is about 15 channels
13:43 < ipodvoid> and i dislike channelnumber >19
13:44 < nilss> heh
13:44 < ipodvoid> (changing w alt + q-... ;))
13:44 < nilss> i have 13 windows open atm
13:44 < ipodvoid> on 5 nets? *G*
13:44 < nilss> yea
13:44 < nilss> but one net is bitlbee ;)
13:45 < ipodvoid> where can i find u also? *G*
13:45 < nilss> euirc
13:45 < nilss> and icq/jabber
13:45 < ipodvoid> mh bitlbee..if iam not at home i prefer centericq 
13:46 < ipodvoid> while being at home sim is great *cover*
13:46 < nilss> i like to have everything in one screen
13:46 < ipodvoid> so u use links? *G*
13:46 < nilss> i used sim till a year ago
13:46 < nilss> nope, ff
13:46 < ipodvoid> :P
13:46 < nilss> but i like it to just attach a screen on another computer
13:46 < ipodvoid> some of my ircpals dislike X
13:47 < leachbj> ok guys on topic time ;)
13:47 < ipodvoid> they r sittin in front of a 64bit hardcoremachine but "X? get lost"
13:47 < ipodvoid> *G*
13:47 < nilss> mkay, just get linux running on the 4g and i'll attach my screen there :P
13:47 < ipodvoid> hehe
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14:55 < leachbj> anyone know how I can link from outside the wiki to a wiki image?
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15:00 < wbniv> eg, http://www.ipodlinux.org/images/4/43/Linux_On_Ipod1.jpg ?  grab the url of the image directly ? is that what you meaN?
15:01 < leachbj> yeah
15:02 < wbniv> i tried this originally: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Image:Linux_On_Ipod1.jpg  but then i saw the problem you're having (i think) 
15:02 < leachbj> how did you get that linnk?
15:03 < wbniv> right clicked on the pic, and choose open image in new tab or copy url to clipboard
15:03 < leachbj> thks
15:03 < wbniv> np
15:06 < leachbj> sorry was too excited to work it out myself ;)
15:06 < leachbj> http://www.ipodlinux.org/blog/
15:07 < phildev2> :-)
15:08 < nilss> i think i should find out where my sister put our digital cam ;)
15:09 < leachbj> if you get a better image just update it on the wiki ;)
15:12 < nilss> yea, my njb3<=>mpd proxy starts to work ;)
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15:57 < JMunakra> leachbj: hi
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15:58 < leachbj> hi
15:58 < JMunakra> leachbj: you said there is no way to do isoc transactions with the iSphynx? Since you wrote the link driver, I believe you :)
15:59 < JMunakra> It's a pity though. I used a philips link, which had a register bit "Strict Isoc" which, if unset, allowed isoc packets to be received into the async buffer
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16:01 < EvilDude> hey anyone alive
16:01 < leachbj> i dont think there is anything like that on there
16:02 < fre_ber> EvilDude: Someone is alive...
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16:02 < EvilDude> woot lol
16:03 < nilss> afk
16:03 < EvilDude> I've been working on some sort of backend for handling repeat, shuffle for next track prev track etc :)
16:03 < fre_ber> With or without MPD?
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16:04 < EvilDude> no no, for the current crap mp3 player :P
16:04 < fre_ber> Ah, ok, that is a start anyway. ;)
16:04 < EvilDude> lol
16:04 < EvilDude> well i had nothing better to do
16:04 < EvilDude> although I've sorta stopped without adding shuffle albums atm
16:05 < EvilDude> shuffle albums requires some sort of sorting and stuff =\
16:05 < fre_ber> I was thinking, for a second, about playback being controlled by a serial remote.
16:05 < EvilDude> ? you mean the iPod remote... :P?
16:06 < fre_ber> I would like to see some kind of generic controller interface for the remote port.
16:06 < fre_ber> Kind of like adding a module for "companyX's Remot model Y".
16:06 < EvilDude> lol
16:06 < EvilDude> thats like apples protocol though
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16:07 < fre_ber> No, I want to be able to attach just about anything with TTL serial communication and let the adaptation layer be in Linux.
16:07 < davidc__> hey
16:07 < fre_ber> hi
16:08 < fre_ber> X, not being Apple in particular.. ;)
16:08 < EvilDude> lol
16:08 < EvilDude> it works i suppose
16:09 < EvilDude> oo a little problem i found with recordings
16:10 < EvilDude> the apple firmware recognises 8khz recordings, but it gives the wrong date for them
16:10 < fre_ber> I think it would be cool, kind of like the interface for game controller in Winblows.
16:10 < EvilDude> it gets the right time but wrong date for some reason
16:10 < fre_ber> Uhoh.. ;)
16:10 < EvilDude> yeah but the problem is not too many companies make controllers for apple's iPod :P
16:12 < EvilDude> also i've noticed theres some weird problems in the lcd like a straight vertical that may only take up half the screen,   puts out a "shadow" over the whole line in the lcd
16:13 < davidc__> EvilDude: thats due to the LCD controller
16:13 < davidc__> not due to software
16:13 < EvilDude> yeah i meant that in Apple's firmware too
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16:13 < EvilDude> is the LCD programmed badly or something
16:13 < davidc__> nope
16:13 < davidc__> hardware
16:14 < davidc__> it happens on everyones
16:14 < davidc__> you even saw it on old black+white laptops
16:14 < EvilDude> ah
16:14 < EvilDude> damn
16:14 < fre_ber> "not too many companies make controllers for apple's iPod", yes that would be the point - making a general interface for anything that communicates through TTL serial port might allow us to use remotes for other devices.
16:15 < EvilDude> I wouldn't mind being able to use other remote devices on the iPod i suppose 
16:16 < fre_ber> I haven't really got a clue to how yet though.. ;)
16:18 < EvilDude> well I wanna learn how to do low level programming
16:18 < EvilDude> but i have no clue how to yet either ;)
16:19 < fre_ber> I don't think this would have to be very low level.. :)
16:20 < EvilDude> lucky you,   but it would require at least some kernel wouldnt it
16:20 < davidc__> nope
16:20 < davidc__> no kernel programming
16:20 < fre_ber> Not necesarily. Reading the serial port is already possibl. But maybe it would be nicer..
16:21 < davidc__> fopen("/dev/ttyS0","r")
16:21 < davidc__> will do the trick :)
16:21 < fre_ber> :)
16:21 < EvilDude> haha cool
16:21 < davidc__> Userspace daemons are better
16:21 < fre_ber> Yes
16:21 < fre_ber> I agree
16:24 < fre_ber> Unfortunately, two things keep me from doing anything about that.
16:25 < fre_ber> First until we get a new 1394 driver, the serial port is my only connection with my iPod...
16:26 < fre_ber> And secondly, I know nothing about inter-process communication in Linux. I would think that, for example, the MPD client connects to this remotecontrol daemon and requests to get events when buttons are pressed. I don't know how to do this, sockets?
16:27 < EvilDude> I dont know any interprocess communication other than sockets =\
16:27 < EvilDude> or windows messages or something in windows :p
16:27 < wbniv> how do you plan on compiling g1-3 vs. g4 kernel builds?  serial.h could be updated because both sets of registers are known.  but how are you going to set it up?  a new $CONFIG_ARCH_IPOD-type var in config.in?  i can do the grunt work of setting up the files and updating the register values (at least what's known, anyway;))  or, should i read more docs on kernel configurations and then this will become a silly question?
16:28 < leachbj> wbniv: to be honest I'm not 100% sure... i had hoped to avoid two kernels but I'm just not sure how possible that will be to do
16:33 < wbniv> hm, ok, i'll add a note about that dev issue on the wiki, do some research, and get back to you on know my thoughts
16:33 < wbniv> s/on know my/on my/
16:34 < leachbj> sounds good :)
16:34 < leachbj> the framebuffer driver is already done, it just checks the hardware version and then uses the right addresses
16:35 < wbniv> so the #defines reference a variable, which gets filled in during initialisation?
16:36 < wbniv> #define LCD ptrFrameBufferDevice
16:36 < wbniv> instead of
16:36 < wbniv> #define LCD 0xA0000000
16:36 < wbniv> it would definitely be nice not to have to compile 2 kernels
16:36 < wbniv> (2 for testing, anyway)
16:37 < leachbj> see http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ipodlinux/linux/arch/armnommu/mach-ipod/fb.c?rev=1.9&view=auto
16:38 < wbniv> ta  ( http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ipodlinux/linux/arch/armnommu/mach-ipod/fb.c?r1=1.8&r2=1.9 )
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16:41 < Ciaran> Hi.
16:41 < Ciaran> Good going on getting Linux to boot on the 4G :D
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16:42 < Ciaran> I know it's not properly usable yet but I'd love to know how y'all did it so that I can give it a whirl and see it. I can take pictures too.
16:42 < Ciaran> Obviously without any input there won't be anything else happening but still :D
16:46  * BleuLlama just woke up.   Awesome job guys!
16:48 < coob> hey BleuLlama, hows tempest coming along, those screenshots look fun
16:49 < BleuLlama> pretty cool.  i had some ideas last night for re-writing the web drawing routine to make it significantly quicker.  (int math instead of float math)
16:49 < BleuLlama> it's not really a game yet though, so i haven't released source
16:49 < BleuLlama> i *DID* release PodDraw last night though. ;)
16:50 < coob> lol
16:50 < BleuLlama> (about 40 minutes after i had the idea for it. heh)
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16:55 < BleuLlama> nilss.  cheers
17:03 < ipodvoid> wb nilss 
17:08 < Synapse-> Nice work nilss 
17:08 < Ciaran> Going for a bit... brb.
17:08 < Ciaran> And yeah, definitely nice work, nilss.
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17:26 < rsbeq-cam> 'ey.
17:27 < fre_ber> Hi
17:27 < rsbeq-cam> What's up?
17:28 < fre_ber> Heh, I'm trying to remember my matrix operations...
17:28 < dolph1n> Hey
17:28 < fre_ber> ..and trigonometry...
17:28 < rsbeq-cam> For rotation?
17:29 < fre_ber> Kind of.
17:29 < rsbeq-cam> What exactly?
17:29 < fre_ber> Creating a normal vector from Euler angles. Totally off-topic.
17:29 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, is this for homework or something?
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17:30 < fre_ber> No, for converting object models of Midnight Club to Midtown Madness 2. :)
17:30 < BleuLlama> i only know basic matrix manips (rotation, translation, scaling, etc)
17:30  * BleuLlama is putting some matrix stuff into Vortex (probably)
17:31 < fre_ber> Once upon a time, I was a master at this.. :|
17:31 < rsbeq-cam> I was going to ask you, BleuLlama: isn't an umlaut llama a camel?
17:31 < fre_ber> ...a long time ago... :(
17:31 < BleuLlama> i hear you.  i wrote these routines around 1995 or so, and i have no idea how to use them anymore. heh
17:31 < BleuLlama> heh, never thought of it that way, rs
17:31 < rsbeq-cam> 1995... that's so long ago...
17:32 < fre_ber> Time flies..
17:32 < BleuLlama> i wrote some text parsing routines around 1994 for an independant study in college, and have been re-using those routines in many projects ever since., heh
17:32 < rsbeq-cam> Is it just me, or does the MathWorld site make everything look more complex than it is?
17:32 < rsbeq-cam> BleuLlama: You're that long out of college?
17:32 < BleuLlama> not just you
17:32 < BleuLlama> i started college in 1991
17:33 < BleuLlama> finished around 1997 or so (i was part-time at the end while working)
17:33 < rsbeq-cam> Ah, so yes
17:34 < rsbeq-cam> It looks like euler angles are 3-dimensional rotations expressed as a matrix?
17:34 < rsbeq-cam> matrices...
17:35 < Hostile> who here uses their iPod in linux?
17:35 < rsbeq-cam> You mean regularly?
17:35 < Hostile> yeah
17:35 < rsbeq-cam> I don't see why anyone would
17:36 < rsbeq-cam> Until music playing works right
17:36 < Hostile> no...uses the ipod on their linux desktop
17:36 < rsbeq-cam> Oh
17:36 < Hostile> to put music on
17:36 < rsbeq-cam> Heh
17:36 < fre_ber> cam: Euler angles define a rotation by the angle around each axis.
17:36 < Hostile> I want to know some software people here use
17:36 < rsbeq-cam> fre_ber: Yes, I think that's what I said
17:36 < Hostile> I can't find anything good
17:36 < fre_ber> :)
17:36 < BleuLlama> that's what i'm doing, fre...
17:37 < BleuLlama> or at least will be once i remember how
17:37 < BleuLlama> :P
17:37 < rsbeq-cam> hehe
17:37 < BleuLlama> i dug out my Foley vanDam book a few nights ago, but was too tired to read through the section on 3d matrix manips
17:38 < rsbeq-cam> ...what did you major in, Bleu?
17:38 < fre_ber> Heh, I also have a Foley vanDam! :)
17:38 < BleuLlama> started in Computer Engineering, but the Physics kicked my ass royally, so i decided to get suspended, then transferred into Computer Science
17:38 < davidc__> suspended?
17:39 < BleuLlama> Fre: Foley vanDam Feiner and Hughes "Computer Graphics: Principles and Practice" is my graphics programming bible. 
17:39 < BleuLlama> (matrix math around page 210 or so?  i looked it up a few nights ago)
17:39 < rsbeq-cam> You had to be suspended to xfer?
17:39 < BleuLlama> no. they suspended me.  I was horrible as a student. heh,
17:39 < fre_ber> Mine is "Introduction to Computer Graphics"
17:40 < BleuLlama> ah. that's a more 8x10ish book, about 1-2" thick or so?
17:40 < fre_ber> Something like that.
17:40 < rsbeq-cam> I don't think I have anything other than "Learning Perl" ;)
17:40 < BleuLlama> i remember that was the other book we could have bought instead of this one for computer graphics class... i decided to get the more comprehensive one..
17:41 < fre_ber> I wish I had a "Learning Perl" ;)
17:41  * BleuLlama looks at his bookshelf "Genetic Algorithms", "Advanced Corba programming with C++", "AI Game Programming Wisdom" "Common LISPcraft", various O'reilly books... Photoshop 3.0 box three Feynman physics books..."Stunts" game box
17:42 < rsbeq-cam> fre_ber: Trade?
17:42 < rsbeq-cam> 3.0.. haha
17:42 < rsbeq-cam> genetic algorithms are cool
17:42 < rsbeq-cam> are any of you language geeks?
17:42 < BleuLlama> yeah. 3.0. it's on floppy disks... i had the SGI version on CD in there too, but i gave it to a friend
17:42 < fre_ber> Nah, I need my gfx book sometimes as well.. :)
17:43 < BleuLlama> i snagged the LISP book as reference when i was writing my lisp parser
17:43 < fre_ber> Define language geek...
17:43 < BleuLlama> or rather "lisp-like parser"
17:43 < rsbeq-cam> LISP is something where on my to-do lisp
17:43 < BleuLlama> lisp is really powerful once you grok it.
17:44 < rsbeq-cam> I know
17:44 < fre_ber> It is a beautiful language, however, I don't find it useful...
17:44 < rsbeq-cam> fre_ber: Umm, one who really likes to learn lots of languages and stuff...
17:44 < rsbeq-cam> And linguistics stuff
17:45 < rsbeq-cam> LISP is just so intimidating with all its parentheses
17:45 < BleuLlama> i learn languages (programming languages) when i think one might suit a task's needs (rather than trying to apply languages i know to projects...which don't always fit)
17:46 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, I meant... natural language
17:46 < rsbeq-cam> Sorry
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17:46 < BleuLlama> i know the bare minimums in french.  just what i learned while on our trip to paris. heh.
17:47 < BleuLlama> used to know a little hebrew...
17:47 < BleuLlama> learned spanish in high school, but i don't know much anymore
17:47 < fre_ber> I took one course about natural language parsin, that is the closest I got.. :p
17:48 < rsbeq-cam> hehe
17:48 < rsbeq-cam> ok
17:48 < BleuLlama> damn.  natural language parsing is hard.  cheers to you, fre.
17:48 < fre_ber> Yes, but it is quite cool.
17:49 < fre_ber> I have an "Introduction to..." in that subject too... :)
17:49 < BleuLlama> very cool.
17:49 < fre_ber> But that book is very general.
17:50 < BleuLlama> is there a text to speech library that will work on ipodlinux?
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17:50 < fre_ber> Someone was working on that, I think.
17:51 < BleuLlama> excellent
17:51 < fre_ber> But it made podzilla very large...
17:51 < coob> yeah flite was being integrated..
17:51 < BleuLlama> sure. 
17:51 < coob> fre_ber: perhaps that's less of an issue now disk access is much faster?
17:51 < BleuLlama> but that'd be nice for loading in guttenberg text books and having instant audio books. :)
17:52 < rsbeq-cam> festival?
17:52 < rsbeq-cam> oh, flite
17:52 < rsbeq-cam> text to speech doesn't sound very nice though
17:52 < rsbeq-cam> it would be better for like radio-style announcing of song names
17:53 < BleuLlama> maybe i should just battery-power a Mac Mini and use OS X's TTS. heh
17:53 < rsbeq-cam> Heh
17:53 < fre_ber> coob: Don't know.
17:53 < rsbeq-cam> Even OS X tts kind of gets annoying
17:53 < rsbeq-cam> why would faster disk access make bloat less of a problem?
17:53 < coob> yeah TTS has sounded the same for at least 20 years
17:54 < rsbeq-cam> Actually, AT&T or something had some more interesting TTS recently
17:54 < coob> i have no idea why noone's improved upon it
17:54 < rsbeq-cam> Or maybe it was text-to-song
17:54 < rsbeq-cam> coob: It's probably really hard
17:54 < coob> ah yes i heard that
17:54 < coob> why can computers sing but not talk :)
17:54 < BleuLlama> people have improved it, but it's such a small field that it's expensive to add it in to an OS.
17:54 < rsbeq-cam> http://www.research.att.com/projects/tts/demo.html
17:54 < BleuLlama> yeah. AT+T's is damn impressive.
17:54 < coob> rsbeq-cam: yeah maybe there's theat same drop off that you get with artificial faces/bodies
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17:55 < coob> where you can tell its fake, then when it almost gets real it's too freaky, then it's real and you can't tell, there's the odd dropoff in the middle
17:55 < coob> i can't remember the url of the paper
17:55 < rsbeq-cam> at&t is pretty good yeah
17:56 < BleuLlama> there have been some really good impulse-based (addative synth) based ones that have been used for "singing synthesizers" that sound really good....
17:56 < rsbeq-cam> what-based?
17:56 < rsbeq-cam> there's always something a little weird about intonation that is bothersome
17:56 < rsbeq-cam> Mike is good
17:57 < BleuLlama> impulse... it models the vocal path that the sound travels, and the original "impulse" characterizes the vibration qualities and echo of the voice path...
17:57 < rsbeq-cam> It sounds kind of like a sheep
17:57 < rsbeq-cam> oh, intersting
17:58 < BleuLlama> think like if you had a trumpet.  cup your hand, and hit the mouthpiece... the sound coming out of the horn is an impulse that pretty much models the characteristics of the instrument.  you can then play that back 440 times a second, and you get Middle-A, that sounds remarkably like a trumpet.  
17:58 < BleuLlama> Doesn't sound like it would work, but it really does.  it's freaky
17:58 < BleuLlama> you can do the same thing with a human voice, you just have to filter it and add in sibalance, and you get human speech
17:59 < BleuLlama> (can you tell i worked on this in the past? heh)
18:00 < fre_ber> :)
18:00 < rsbeq-cam> yeah, i thought you said you hadn't :0
18:00 < rsbeq-cam> er, :)
18:00 < rsbeq-cam> what's sibalance?
18:00 < BleuLlama> i was doing some experimental software with this using the Gravis Ultrasound card as the synth.  i could only get 32 voices at a time, but it was decent enough for a proof-of-concept
18:00 < BleuLlama> sssssssssssss
18:00 < BleuLlama> ssssssibalance
18:00 < BleuLlama> that sound
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18:02 < rsbeq-cam> lisp?
18:02 < BleuLlama> make a hiss noise.  that's sibilance.
18:02 < BleuLlama> basically
18:03 < rsbeq-cam> heh
18:04 < BleuLlama> most of the speech synths model based on phonemes (each of the parts of speech 'eh' 'ih' 'ff' etc... and just glue them together... more complex ones have combos liek 'ihff' 'ffih' etc which sound better, but require more sound samples...
18:04 < BleuLlama> i'm not sure what OS X or AT+T use
18:04 < BleuLlama> but that's enough about that.  i shut up now.
18:04 < fre_ber> Lol, just a little off topic, but that's the way it goes... :)
18:04 < piratePenguin> hmm.. ewhat about porting that ipodeth1394 module to usb?
18:05 < fre_ber> USB?
18:05 < piratePenguin> yea
18:05 < piratePenguin> so ya can setup a network on usb
18:05 < fre_ber> I don't think I can set up a network on usb...
18:06 < coob> is ipodeth1394 compatible with apple's ip over firewire stuff?
18:06 < fre_ber> in osx, you mean? Then no.
18:06 < piratePenguin> fre_ber: theres a usbnet module
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18:06 < rsbeq-cam> NO!
18:06 < rsbeq-cam> the att thing won't render profanities
18:06 < fre_ber> Ok, but I have Windows, remember.. ;)
18:06 < piratePenguin> heh
18:06 < rsbeq-cam> that's the only real use for tts
18:07 < rsbeq-cam> coob: I think it would be except for that ARP bug
18:07 < fre_ber> Yes, and I think that is enough to mess it all up.
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18:09 < piratePenguin> leachbj: would a ipodusb module work, if someone ported it? (the ipodeth1394 code isn't very big, but... you know that)
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18:10 < rsbeq-cam> why usb???
18:10 < BleuLlama> the problem is that i don't think that the ipod has the facilities to be a USB host.
18:10 < piratePenguin> cause I broke my firewire cable
18:11 < rsbeq-cam> you could probably just do, umm, ip over serial?
18:11 < BleuLlama> slip
18:11 < piratePenguin> can ya do that on linux?
18:11 < BleuLlama> yes.  well, you could on old (mid 90s) slackware distros, so i imagine it'd still be possible
18:12 < piratePenguin> can ya use that to transfer songs?
18:13 < BleuLlama> heh. probably.  slowly
18:13 < BleuLlama> 19.2k
18:13 < BleuLlama> 38.4?
18:13 < piratePenguin> not too bad (I hope).. I think my ipods broken completly... I was, err, messin with it... When I plug it inta usb nothing happens.. and the port on the ipod smells...
18:14 < coob> [18:10]     BleuLlama | the problem is that i don't think that the ipod has the facilities to be a USB host.
18:14 < coob> 4g does
18:14 < coob> 4g/u2/mini/photo
18:14 < BleuLlama> USB client, not Host... 
18:14 < piratePenguin> does 3g?
18:14 < coob> BleuLlama: it can be either
18:14 < BleuLlama> that's my understanding of the hardware.
18:14 < rsbeq-cam> how convenient
18:14 < rsbeq-cam> USB keyboard here we come
18:15 < coob> BleuLlama: well of course it can be a client, how else would it hook up to a computer
18:15 < rsbeq-cam> coob: Firewire
18:15 < coob> using usb i mean
18:15 < coob> unless usb2 does host-host?'
18:16 < coob> ah course it does
18:16 < coob> but then why would it need to be client?
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18:19 < rsbeq-cam> usb does host-host?
18:19 < rsbeq-cam> I thought that exploded
18:20 < coob> nah
18:20 < coob> need the right cable but it works
18:20 < coob> seen people selling those usb<->usb networking kits
18:21 < BleuLlama> those usually have a small micro in them.  they appear as a device to both systems, and just transfer the data from one usb chain to the other
18:21 < BleuLlama> in the very least, that's how the belkin one works
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18:24 < Ciaran> Hiya.
18:25 < Ciaran> Is Apple's decoded bootloader available to download anywhere?
18:25 < Ciaran> I want to take a look at it, if I can.
18:25 < Exion> BleuLlama: there are serveral usb chips that supports both client and host mode.
18:26 < rsbeq-cam> Ciaran: You mean disassembled?
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18:26 < Ciaran> rsbeq-cam: No, the binary file.
18:26 < Ciaran> I can disassemble it myself :)
18:26 < Exion> the creative muvo2 can do it as well. if you read the specs.
18:26 < Exion> for the usb chip
18:27 < BleuLlama> i'm not saying they don't exist. that's just generally how those host-host usb-usb cables work
18:27 < Exion> :)
18:27 < Exion> jupp.. guess it has been more common lately
18:28 < BleuLlama> and i jsut assumed to cut costs, that's how the ipod's host adapter worked. i could be wrong. i hope i am. ;)
18:28 < Exion> would be nice with usb host :)
18:28 < BleuLlama> i know that it can be a firewire host or client, since the belkin card reader acts as a firewire mass storage device mainly...
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18:28 < Exion> oki
18:28 < BleuLlama> so, if anyone makes a Firewire keyboard and mouse... ;)
18:29 < Exion> :)
18:30 < Exion> does anyone recommend a good camera to use to primary take pictures of PCB's ?
18:30 < Ciaran> rsbeq-cam: Do you know anything about that? Where I can get the binary file?
18:30 < Ciaran> I mean, I expect I'd have to ask nilss or someone as I expect it would be illegal to offer it on the site, heh.
18:30 < rsbeq-cam> Ciaran: Oh, sorry, no, I'm not sure
18:30 < rsbeq-cam> Yes, that would work
18:31 < Ciaran> Or davidc, I guess, only he's not here.
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18:33 < Ciaran> And neither is nilss now. Blah.
18:34 < rsbeq-cam> Heh
18:34 < rsbeq-cam> Let me do a little research, hold on, Ciaran 
18:34 < Ciaran> Okay, thanks.
18:35 < coob> BleuLlama: the PP5020 has the usb stuff on it, and it supports usb on-the-go or whatever they call it, which is switchable host/client mode
18:35 < Ciaran> The other thing I'd love to get hold of is the latest stuff that allows Linux to be booted on the 4G iPods. Even with no input it'll be very cool.
18:35 < BleuLlama> excellent.  :)
18:36  * BleuLlama is very glad that he was wrong.
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18:37 < coob> Ciaran: it's in cvs
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18:38 < Ciaran> coob: Ah, cool. I'll check that out then. (pun intended :D)
18:38 < rsbeq-cam> Hehe
18:38 < coob> the kernel stuff at least, i don't know about the bootloader stuff
18:38 < leachbj> patch_fw is in cvs which lets you patch in the binaries
18:38 < leachbj> the bootloader isnt in there (I dont have a working version)
18:39 < coob> leachbj: did you decode that mysterious 512 bytes in the apple firmware? what was there?
18:39 < Ciaran> The bootloader would just be the standard one made with make_fw and stuff though, right?
18:39 < leachbj> and only the framebuffer patch is in the kernel there are a lot of other patches need to get it to boot
18:39 < Ciaran> Ah, okay.
18:39 < macPod> anybody here good with hardwire electronics? I would like to get a list of suff and possibly a diagram of a ir module :)
18:39 < leachbj> brb
18:39 < coob> macPod: there's a diagram of an ir module on the lirc project homepage i think
18:40 < macPod> oh really? could you link me?
18:40 < macPod> It will connect to the audio jack of the iPod
18:40 < macPod> found the link
18:40 < Ciaran> rsbeq-cam: I'm thinking that the bootloader is in CVS as well. It has a directory for it but I'm not sure whether that's encoded or decoded. I'll find out though, I guess.
18:41 < Ciaran> And SF is being really slow with CVS. :(
18:41 < coob> macPod: http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html
18:41 < rsbeq-cam> Ciaran: I can't even find the asm anymore
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18:41 < coob> macPod: there's already only of those on the amrket
18:41 < coob> market
18:41 < rsbeq-cam> Gah, IR
18:41 < macPod> for audio, yes I know
18:41 < coob> griffin make it i think
18:41 < macPod> right but it is very weak
18:42 < macPod> i want to amp it
18:42 < coob> ah ok
18:42 < coob> with power from the serial port?
18:42 < macPod> nah, just going to use a battery
18:42 < coob> ah ok
18:42 < Ciaran> rsbeq-cam: I can disassemble it myself - I have cross-platform binutils.
18:42 < coob> why not have the whole thing connect to the remote port?
18:42 < rsbeq-cam> Ciaran: I know, but I was hoping they would be in the same place
18:43 < macPod> you mean the serial?
18:43 < macPod> I could
18:43 < macPod> what is the power on that?
18:44 < coob> ttl levels
18:44 < coob> whatever they are
18:44 < leachbj> coob: the special 512 bytes is used to generate a decryption key for the encrypted firmware images
18:44 < Ciaran> rsbeq-cam: Ah, okay.
18:45 < coob> leachbj: ah ok, has it been figured out?
18:45 < Ciaran> I'm currently getting everything from CVS.
18:45 < leachbj> Ciaran: the 3g compatible bootloader is in cvs but there is no 4g compatible version yet (the patch_fw tool is a simpler tool which just lets you boot one binary)
18:45 < leachbj> coob: yes
18:45 < Ciaran> leachbj: Ah, okay.
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18:46 < coob> cool
18:46 < leachbj> Ciaran have you done much arm RE work before?
18:47 < coob> macPod: the remote spits out 3.3v
18:47 < macPod> hmm, that should be enough
18:47 < Ciaran> leachbj: No, but I want to learn. I've fiddled about with x86 assembler and I've been exposed to a *little* bit of ARM assembler when I used to own an Acorn Archimedes. But I won't know enough right now to code anything in it.
18:48 < coob> macPod: http://ipodlinux.org/Serial_Port
18:48 < Ciaran> I can get an ARM emulator and learn though.
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18:52 < coob> macPod: http://www.maxim-ic.com/getds.cfm?qv_pk=1948&ln=en may be up your alley (pdf)
18:53 < macPod> hmm 
18:53 < macPod> I like doing it through audio
18:53 < coob> http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/1948
18:54 < macPod> however it would be nice through the serial.. but that only allows for digital transfer
18:54 < macPod> I need analog, so the audio jack would be best I think unless you can think of a shortthought of mine
18:55 < coob> analogue ir? whut for?
18:55 < macPod> t.v.remote
18:55 < macPod> the next best thing to happen to linux :)
18:56 < rsbeq-cam> What qualitatively needs to be done to compensate for the broken ARP thing?
18:56 < coob> lol\
18:56 < macPod> we have recording, and we have output
18:56 < macPod> I see a remote :)
18:56 < coob> how weak is that belkin/griffin/whatever dodad that does audio->ir
18:56 < coob> and can digital ir not emulate analogue ir somehow?
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18:59 < rsbeq-cam> Anybody?
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19:03 < macPod> http://members.tripod.com/xexorz/schematics/irtransmit.jpg
19:03 < macPod> :)
19:04 < BleuLlama> sweet
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19:05 < macPod> except.. I dunno what that arrow pointing to the resistor is? any body know?
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19:05 < BleuLlama> adjustable resistor
19:05 < BleuLlama> (potentiometer)
19:05 < BleuLlama> the arrow is the center pole/sweep on the pot.
19:05 < macPod> ah
19:05 < rsbeq-cam> Why would you want a potentiometer?
19:05 < macPod> audo output levels differ
19:06 < macPod> you probably have that to adjust
19:06 < rsbeq-cam> Ah
19:06 < rsbeq-cam> macPod: Have you ever written a kext?
19:06 < macPod> once, it said hello world on bootup
19:07 < rsbeq-cam> Haha
19:07 < macPod> I tried compiling the kext for ipofw but it did not work
19:07 < rsbeq-cam> Oh
19:07 < rsbeq-cam> You tried already?
19:07 < rsbeq-cam> What happened?
19:07 < macPod> there are alot of dependencies needed from the open source darwin
19:07 < rsbeq-cam> Are you saying it's impossible?
19:08 < macPod> nah, jsut hard
19:08 < macPod> and considering with the advent of the 2.6 kernel, I think I would rather focus development on that
19:08 < macPod> ipofw is "flakey" as is
19:08 < macPod> for the iPod
19:08 < rsbeq-cam> On Linux, you mean?
19:09 < rsbeq-cam> I just would really like some connection between ipod and mac
19:10 < macPod> in time it will happen
19:10 < macPod> what are the sattelite things in the picture?
19:10 < macPod> diodes to prevent electricity moving in two ways?
19:11 < BleuLlama> satellite?
19:12 < macPod> there is a line and a curve
19:12 < BleuLlama> ah.  capacitor
19:12 < macPod> oh :0
19:12 < BleuLlama> is there text to go along with that circuit?
19:12 < rsbeq-cam> lol
19:12 < macPod> nope that's it
19:12 < macPod> and I cannot read the first capacitor
19:12 < BleuLlama> looks like 3
19:12 < BleuLlama> i'm guessing 3uF
19:12 < BleuLlama> the other one is 1uF
19:13 < BleuLlama> er 1000uF
19:13 < macPod> electrolyte?
19:13 < macPod> or ceramic?
19:13 < BleuLlama> i'm guessing electrolytic
19:13 < BleuLlama> ceramics aren't polarized
19:13 < macPod> good point
19:13 < macPod> I think it says 4.7
19:13 < BleuLlama> you might also want to throw a switch in there..
19:14 < BleuLlama> 4.7? 
19:14 < BleuLlama> yeah... yeah.. i think you're right
19:14 < macPod> for the capacitor on the left side
19:14 < BleuLlama> i was reading it as +3 heh
19:15 < rsbeq-cam> definitely 4.7
19:15 < rsbeq-cam> Lame font though
19:15 < macPod> so 4uF7?
19:15 < macPod> I'm learning.. but still have a ways :)
19:16 < BleuLlama> 4.7 uF
19:16 < macPod> :)
19:17 < macPod> eh, this is kinda a bad diagram then
19:17 < macPod> how would I know what the 1000 means
19:17 < macPod> 1000uF?
19:18 < macPod> oh yes, I see 
19:18 < macPod> scrolled up
19:21 < BleuLlama> so it looks like the Parts list is:  1/8" stereo plug, 4.7uF cap, 1000uF cap, 2N2222 transistor, 100K ohm pot (linear taper, probably), 330 ohm resistor, battery snap, perf board
19:21 < macPod> gold or silver resistors?
19:21 < BleuLlama> i can't imagine it makes a difference
19:21 < BleuLlama> whatever's cheap
19:21 < macPod> silver!
19:21 < BleuLlama> good luck finding them (or any of the parts) at radio shack though. they totally suck for components these days.  wickedly overpriced, and tiny selection... 
19:22 < BleuLlama> but hey, if you need a DSS receiver, or cell phone, they're the place to go!
19:22 < BleuLlama> shouldn't cost more than $10 or so in parts
19:22 < macPod> there's a good radio shack around here
19:22 < macPod> http://members.tripod.com/xexorz/schematics/irreceiver.html
19:22 < macPod> :D
19:23 < macPod> alright I;m set
19:23 < BleuLlama> "If you build this one, let me know "  i don;t think it's ever been built
19:24 < macPod> :/
19:24 < macPod> I dont see that
19:25 < BleuLlama> on the irreceeiver page
19:25 < macPod> I see "I would like to know how it went :)
19:25 < macPod> meh, I'll wing it
19:25 < macPod> I'll just test the voltage before I stick it in the iPod to keep any blowouts fromhappening
19:26 < coob> heh 9v
19:26 < BleuLlama> you're probably going to need faster than 8khz recording to get it working
19:26 < BleuLlama> i thought ir used a 47khz carrier wave?
19:27 < macPod> well we can record up to 96khz
19:27 < BleuLlama> ayup
19:28 < rsbeq-cam> But playback acts kind of odd apparently
19:28 < rsbeq-cam> I don't thinkt hat will affect you
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19:29 < dolph1n> pwnage
19:30 < macPod> what voltage will I need for the ir l.e.d.
19:30 < macPod> or what ir led will I need?
19:30 < macPod> they never specify
19:30 < macPod> for the transmitter
19:31 < rsbeq-cam> dolph1n: What?
19:33 < dolph1n> I don't know
19:34 < dolph1n> Just solved my rubiks clock
19:34 < dolph1n> verry happy :)
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19:37 < BleuLlama> macPod: Radio shack's IR led should work fine
19:37 < macPod> mk
19:37 < BleuLlama> just be sure to observe polarity on it
19:37 < macPod> right :)
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19:44 < rsbeq-cam> does podzilla support tiff?
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19:47 < macPod> for the reciever, what should I look for when getting the transformer?
19:47 < macPod> or is the pic self explanitory
19:49 < BleuLlama> url?
19:49 < macPod> http://members.tripod.com/xexorz/schematics/irreceiver.html
19:50 < BleuLlama> they might have an audio transformer, or a telephone line transformer that might work... they probably won't have that part though, you'll have to order it.
19:50 < BleuLlama> you just need a 1kohm:8Ohm transformer
19:51 < BleuLlama> or you could make it yourself... heh
19:52 < macPod> hmm the last option sounds intruguingh
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19:52 < macPod> but I shall look forst
19:52 < macPod> *first
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19:55 < rsbeq-cam> Back later
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20:03 < macPod> alright, got my list
20:03 < macPod> wish me luck :)
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22:11 < rsbeq-cam> Okay, I'm stumped
22:12 < courtc> what'd you break?
22:12 < rsbeq-cam> Heh
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22:13 < rsbeq-cam> I'm trying to figure out how to get (using microwindows functions) a pixmap array that has been palettized according to the screen format
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22:20 < rsbeq-cam> ...thought so.
22:20 < courtc> haha
22:21 < rsbeq-cam> By the way, I'm finding that document you linked me to before very helpful now
22:21 < rsbeq-cam> The one I said didn't seem useful at the time ;)
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22:23 < courtc> haha
22:25 < rsbeq-cam> Laughing isn't constructive!
22:25 < rsbeq-cam> Any suggestions
22:25 < rsbeq-cam> ?
22:26 < courtc> I'm looking at it now..
22:26 < rsbeq-cam> How commonly used is MicroWindows?
22:26 < rsbeq-cam> Is it de facto standard for embedded?
22:26 < courtc> Dunno..
22:27 < rsbeq-cam> Ooh.
22:27 < courtc> It hasnt had much development since 2003 sometime
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22:33 < courtc> It would seem that a pixmap should already reflect the pallet of the screen
22:33 < rsbeq-cam> No, I think the problem is that I forgot to unpack the 2bits from the longs
22:33 < rsbeq-cam> I hope
22:34 < rsbeq-cam> I'm not quite sure how to do that nicely
22:34 < rsbeq-cam> Something with bitmasks
22:35 < macPod> I'm back
22:35 < macPod> and with all the parts!
22:35 < macPod> .. I think
22:35 < rsbeq-cam> wow
22:36 < macPod> all from one radioshack store
22:36 < rsbeq-cam> Given a long made from a bunch of 2-bit values stuck together
22:36 < rsbeq-cam> how shall we print each 2-bit?
22:37 < rsbeq-cam> long & 110000000 then << 2?
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22:37 < rsbeq-cam> I don't know how many zeros :)
22:38 < courtc> long -> 32 bits
22:38 < rsbeq-cam> Ok
22:38 < rsbeq-cam> I'll use sizeof()*8 ;)
22:38 < courtc> on my computer anywho
22:40 < rsbeq-cam> hmm
22:42 < rsbeq-cam> I need something better than vim
22:42 < rsbeq-cam> Something with mouse...
22:43 < chungy> nothing's better than vim <_<
22:43 < chungy> you can use gvim or cream. Both of them based on Vim, but graphical
22:43 < chungy> I like Cream
22:43 < rsbeq-cam> hm lemme lookup cream
22:43 < chungy> I think it should be at cream.sf.net
22:44 < BleuLlama> macPod: did they have the transformer?
22:44 < rsbeq-cam> it looks like vim in its own window
22:44 < macPod> bleu yup :)
22:45 < BleuLlama> very cool. i didn;t think they'd have it. :)
22:45 < macPod> what is even more surprising is when I asked where they were, they knew
22:45 < BleuLlama> that _is_ surprising
22:46 < macPod> I guess I'l build the transmitter first
22:46 < macPod> I got a tri pole switch so you can switch it to record, send, or off
22:47 < BleuLlama> good luck with it, :)
22:47  * BleuLlama heads home
22:48 < macPod> .. I'll need it
22:48 < rsbeq-cam> macPod: I bet someone else came in right before you hoping to build the same thing
22:48 < rsbeq-cam> chungy: How do you do that thing where you can hide chunks between {}?
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22:51 < chungy> rsbeq-cam: not sure right now... but I know what you're talking about
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22:53 < rsbeq-cam> oh, folding
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22:58 < gunpowda> hi
22:58 < gunpowda> anyone around?
22:58 < rsbeq-cam> kinda
22:58 < rsbeq-cam> what's up?
22:58 < gunpowda> I recorded a sound file to my ipod
22:59 < gunpowda> and then played it back
22:59 < gunpowda> during the playback, it got stuck on one part of the file
22:59 < rsbeq-cam> And it crashed?
22:59 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah
22:59 < gunpowda> and it's an endless loop
22:59 < rsbeq-cam> right now, for some reason, >8khz playback dies
22:59 < gunpowda> it's not resetting, either
22:59 < rsbeq-cam> Uh, it ought to reset
22:59 < gunpowda> nope
22:59 < rsbeq-cam> hold menu and pause for like 10 seconds
22:59 < rsbeq-cam> be patient
23:00  * Ciaran comes back.
23:00 < gunpowda> ;)
23:00 < gunpowda> yup, 10 seconds did the trick.
23:00 < rsbeq-cam> :P
23:00 < gunpowda> it's in disk mode now
23:00 < rsbeq-cam> Odd, is it plugged in?
23:00 < gunpowda> no
23:00 < rsbeq-cam> Oh well, is that a problem?
23:01 < gunpowda> nope, easily fixable
23:01 < gunpowda> I'm just glad I'm not stuck in an infinite loop
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23:01 < gunpowda> does anyone know why >8kHz playback dies?
23:02 < rsbeq-cam> Some change in the kernel between -ipod2 and -ipo3-1
23:02 < rsbeq-cam> You're running 3-1, right?
23:03 < gunpowda> presumably - I just ran the windows installer
23:03 < gunpowda> 2.3.24-ipod3
23:03 < gunpowda> 2.4.24-ipod3*
23:03 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah
23:03 < rsbeq-cam> Hum
23:03 < rsbeq-cam> What an annoying error
23:03 < rsbeq-cam> Let's take a peek
23:04  * fre_ber is zzzzzsleeping... Bye.
23:04 < rsbeq-cam> Bye fre_ber 
23:04 < rsbeq-cam> Sleep well
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23:04 < gunpowda> do you know how the voice memo playlist pops up?
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23:06 < rsbeq-cam> In iTunes?
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23:07 < gunpowda> ah, I thought it was a podzilla creation
23:08 < rsbeq-cam> Well, which do you mean?
23:09 < gunpowda> right, when I plug the iPod into iTunes the playlist shows up
23:09 < gunpowda> but it only includes 2 of my 6 or so recordings
23:09 < rsbeq-cam> Ah, dammit.  Safari just crashed.
23:09 < rsbeq-cam> Hum
23:09 < gunpowda> recording is such a fantastic function but it really needs some touching up
23:09 < Hostile> hrrm has there been any new podzill builds lately?
23:10 < macPod> builds or commits to cvs?
23:10 < Hostile> either
23:10 < macPod> some new cvs stuff
23:10 < rsbeq-cam> what's new in cvs?
23:10 < Hostile> can you give me link for how to use the cvs?
23:11 < macPod> http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=73079
23:11 < Hostile> k
23:13 < Hostile> macPod, I got the CVS podzilla but it won't compile
23:13 < macPod> you gotta change stuff in the makefile
23:13 < Hostile> alright what?
23:13 < macPod> do you have microwinds built?
23:13 < Hostile> nope
23:14 < rsbeq-cam> aren't there instructions on the wiki?
23:14 < macPod> yea, go look on the wiki
23:14 < Hostile> k
23:15 < rsbeq-cam> uh, i see no new cvs commits since tictactoe
23:16 < gunpowda> hrmm, my recording isn't showing up anywhere in the iPod firmware
23:16 < Hostile> can you give me the link to the wiki page? I can't seem to find it
23:16 < gunpowda> what to do?
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23:16 < rsbeq-cam> http://ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla
23:16 < Hostile> k
23:18 < gunpowda> ah, I just had to plug it in.
23:18 < rsbeq-cam> ...wait, you expected it to magically transfer through air?
23:18 < gunpowda> I'm not explaining myself very well
23:18 < gunpowda> it's not showing up anywhere in my browse menu or playlists
23:19 < gunpowda> so I plugged it in, thinking it would import. It didn't.
23:19 < Fuz> So it does not work on 4th gen ipods?
23:19 < rsbeq-cam> On the ipod or itunes?
23:19 < gunpowda> but I just opened the folder
23:19 < gunpowda> on the ipod
23:19 < rsbeq-cam> Yes, the playlists are built by itunes
23:19 < rsbeq-cam> So it would have to be imported into itunes then resynced
23:19 < rsbeq-cam> Or something
23:19 < gunpowda> rsbeq-cam, do you know what's causing the recording problems?
23:20 < rsbeq-cam> I wish
23:20 < rsbeq-cam> it's not a recording problem, it's a playback problem, isn't it?
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23:22 < gunpowda> it's a recording problem
23:23 < gunpowda> and a playback problem, too
23:23 < gunpowda> but gaps actually appear in the recording in the first place
23:23 < rsbeq-cam> Really?
23:24 < courtc> thats not really a recording problem per say...
23:24 < courtc> buty I'm not here
23:24 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: If it records incorrectly, it's a recording problem....
23:24 < rsbeq-cam> But I thought it recorded fine
23:25 < courtc> Thats like saying if you pput mplayer on the ipod and it doesnt playback at full speed its mplayer's problem..
23:25 < courtc> but agian, I'm not here
23:25 < rsbeq-cam> Uhh, not necessarily
23:25 < rsbeq-cam> Shoo
23:29 < rsbeq-cam> Okay, I'm tired of coding
23:29 < rsbeq-cam> I need to do something else
23:29 < rsbeq-cam> I wish coding didn't require one to sit around
23:29 < courtc> it doesnt.. :D
23:29 < rsbeq-cam> gunpowda: Well, anyways, people are aware of the problem and I'm pretty sure the cause it being tracked down
23:29 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: You're not here!
23:29 < rsbeq-cam> *is
23:30 < courtc> oh, right..
23:30 < rsbeq-cam> ciao, losers :)
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23:30 < gunpowda> courtc, sorry, let me re-explain myself :)
23:30 < gunpowda> there's actually a flaw in recording
23:30 < gunpowda> the file being saved/created has various long stutters and gaps in it
23:31 < gunpowda> even when I copy that file to windows and play in wmp or winamp
23:31 < courtc> yep..
23:31 < courtc> what kernel version and podzilla version are you using?
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23:40 < gunpowda> 2.4.24-ipod3
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