--- Log opened Wed Jan 12 00:00:02 2005 00:00 < Jonas_NZ> ahhhhhh everything is upside down :P 00:00 < Jonas_NZ> or should i say d: 00:01 < TroII> I got linux on my Athlon 64 00:01 < TroII> cuz im 1337 00:02 < Jonas_NZ> so what are you saying, your only sideways now? 00:02 < chungy> wow... that's not too hard anymore 00:03 -!- caaaaaam is now known as rsbeq 00:03 < rsbeq> I like that instruction 00:03 < TroII> so i heard that if someone makes Troll a +o cool things happen 00:04 < TroII> "Troii" 00:04 < chungy> You can make yourself one by making a new channel :P 00:05 < TroII> lpodLinux (LpodLinux) :) 00:05 < TroII> What is +v 00:06 -!- Circa2k [circa@pcp174722pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:06 < Jonas_NZ> voice 00:06 < Jonas_NZ> for moderated channels 00:06 -!- ramp [~zaccranko@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 00:06 -!- TroII is now known as Don 00:06 -!- Don is now known as Jeff____________ 00:06 < Jeff____________> dang 00:06 < Jeff____________> i have a crappy name 00:07 < Jeff____________> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 4289 00:07 < Jeff____________> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 684864846 00:07 < Jonas_NZ> lol 00:07 < Jeff____________> heheheehehe 00:07 < Jeff____________> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY troolz_rule 00:07 < Jeff____________> ./leave 00:07 -!- Jeff____________ [~jeff@24-25-208-245.san.rr.com] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 00:08 < macPod> someone needs to be banned 00:08 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has quit ["I'm afraid I have to sleep now..."] 00:09 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:10 < Jonas_NZ> /msg ChanServ ACCESS #ipodlinux add Jonas_NZ 30 00:16 -!- qeusa [infamous@S010600c049e695e5.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:17 < fessiers_> aha. These arm chips use the thumb instruction set not the main arm set? 00:18 < chungy> probably. similar to the way Apple doesn't follow IBM's PowerPC instruction set 00:18 -!- rsbeq is now known as rsbeq-cam 00:18 < coob> ? they don't? 00:19 < fessiers_> the full arm instruction set is one nasty beast. The thumb set is a lot more concise 00:20 < macPod> arm is pretty crazy 00:21 < rsbeq-cam> i have two 00:22 -!- XeroShadow [~XeroShado@st-66-99-102-244.robertmorris.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 00:23 < XeroShadow> If one were to buy an extended warrenty type plan, which would any of you purchase.. applecare or the best buy 3 year service plan? 00:24 < rsbeq-cam> applecare 00:24 < Jonas_NZ> yeah 00:25 -!- ilan [ilan@69.60.110.251] has joined #ipodlinux 00:25 < XeroShadow> yea? i was reading some bad things about applecare.. why do you say applecare 00:26 < macPod> I would get applecare I hear it is good 00:26 < macPod> they also allow you to decided weather or not you want it up to 90 days after you purchased the product 00:26 < jintonic> *!*@24-25-208-245.san.rr.com has needed to be banned for a while now 00:26 < macPod> I agree jin 00:27 < jintonic> he's purposely trolling 00:27 < XeroShadow> damn trolls.. 00:27 < XeroShadow> but yea the best buy warrenty is 3 years and applecare is 2.. and i just heard diff things.. and am not sure which to get 00:27 < rsbeq-cam> They fixed my case a few months ago 00:27 < chungy> Applecare 00:27 < chungy> I hate Best Buy 00:27 < rsbeq-cam> It took like 2 days 00:27 < rsbeq-cam> incredibly fat 00:28 < rsbeq-cam> fast, even 00:28 < XeroShadow> hmm 00:28 < XeroShadow> i just heard that if one breahts funny they can basically void the applecare warrenty 00:28 < XeroShadow> and i cannot find anything online that compares the 2 00:29 < Jonas_NZ> with mac you hardly ever need the 3 years 00:30 < XeroShadow> well i had to take my iod back today 00:30 < XeroShadow> and get a enw one 00:30 < XeroShadow> cuz the firewire port did not work properly 00:30 < XeroShadow> or at all for that matter 00:30 < Jonas_NZ> lol, what did ya do? 00:30 < Jonas_NZ> hmm 00:30 < XeroShadow> works via usb, hooked it up via firewire to the ac adapter and the screen turned blue and didnt charge 00:30 < XeroShadow> would not recognize it thru firewire 00:30 < XeroShadow> and would freeze the ipod when firewire was hooked up 00:31 < macPod> huh 00:31 < coob> sounds like a bad cable 00:31 < XeroShadow> i thought myself 00:31 < XeroShadow> but i bought a diff cable 00:31 < XeroShadow> and same thing 00:31 < XeroShadow> even tried it on another machine 00:31 < XeroShadow> same thing 00:31 < XeroShadow> so that led me to belive it was bad.. took it back gotta diff one 00:31 < coob> are you using a dock? 00:31 < XeroShadow> i tried using the dock and without.. i normally dont use the dock 00:31 < Jonas_NZ> cable 00:32 < coob> odd :< maybe something off with the internals 00:32 < XeroShadow> my thoguhts exactly 00:32 < XeroShadow> i had 30 days still got 15 left so 00:32 < XeroShadow> took it back while i could 00:32 < XeroShadow> no questions asked.. which is why i was considering the best buy warrenty 00:32 < XeroShadow> there pretty good for the most part,, u get a few assholes here and then 00:35 < ilan> hey, i just booted into ipodlinux on my 3rd gen ipod and it looks like the brightness / contrast settings are messed up to the point where I cant read the menus. i think everything booted up properly, but the screen is entirely black. any ideas how i can change those settings? 00:35 < XeroShadow> wonder when they will make linux available for the 4th gen ipods.. or have they already 00:35 < Jonas_NZ> byw 00:36 < jintonic> its getting close 00:36 < Jonas_NZ> bye* 00:36 < Jonas_NZ> read the site 00:36 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-121-254.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:36 < ilan> XeroShadow: the site mentioned making some break throughs, but that theres still a quite a bit of work left 00:36 < jintonic> it'll definately be out within 2 months 00:36 < XeroShadow> ahh neat 00:36 < XeroShadow> how is linux on an ipod anyway 00:37 < jintonic> generally like ipod os but a little more buggy (right now) in my use 00:37 < XeroShadow> yea? which do you prefer 00:37 < jintonic> but it's sure to get better 00:37 < XeroShadow> yea.. its in development and open source so it can only get better 00:37 < coob> it's not up to the apple firmware's capabilities but has more potential for expansion. 00:38 < jintonic> yes, exactly 00:38 < XeroShadow> ive never been much on linux on mac products.. just my preference 00:38 < chungy> the iPod photo doesn't use Chicago for the typeface :( 00:38 < XeroShadow> had linux on some older and newer max i had.. didnt really feel right 00:39 < jintonic> the best reason to put linux on ipod is the potential for expansion (for me its the voice recording/line input that makes me want it) 00:39 < XeroShadow> eh i like it cuz its music.. im a music fanatic.. 00:39 < XeroShadow> and its nice portable storage 00:39 < XeroShadow> not really into the voice recording or whatever 00:40 < jintonic> if thats all you're after there's probably not a whole lot in it for you 00:40 < XeroShadow> right.. what do you use the line in for.. you play in a band or som ething 00:41 < XeroShadow> my friend is a Dj so hes thinking of gettin 2 40GB ipods to replace all of his cds 00:41 < jintonic> i'd rather have a 250$ device do more than just play music... more bang for the buck 00:41 < XeroShadow> ahh 00:41 < XeroShadow> never thought of it like that 00:41 < XeroShadow> mine was 430 00:41 < jintonic> photo 00:41 < XeroShadow> no reg 40giger 00:41 < jintonic> heh 00:42 < XeroShadow> i dont really care for the photos much.. way to expensive for me.. hell the reg ipod was too expensive 00:42 < XeroShadow> but i got lots of xmas money 00:42 < jintonic> i've only got an ipod mini, of which only 300MB is full so far 00:42 < XeroShadow> i had my ipod 40 gig 6gb full 00:42 < XeroShadow> thast just my music.. nothing of ripped cds 00:42 < XeroShadow> well a few i suppose 00:42 < jintonic> i only put the songs i really really like on it 00:43 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v macPod ] by courtc 00:43 < ilan> jintonic: ya im trying it out for the recording capabilities too 00:44 < qeusa> Aren't iPod Mini's and 15 gig iPods (4g both) the same price? 00:45 < chungy> there is no 15GB 4G 00:46 -!- danalien is now known as p-o-d 00:48 < qeusa> Really? So I'm thinking of the 3g? 00:48 < XeroShadow> 3g vs 4g.. which do you all like? 00:48 < qeusa> 3g for style, 4g for everything else 00:48 < XeroShadow> i kinda prefer the 4g's click wheel 00:48 < qeusa> 3g battery life == bs 00:49 < XeroShadow> yea thats one thing i noticed too. on my ipod i would only get like 4-5 hours tops battery life 00:49 < XeroShadow> and they claim 12 max 00:49 < XeroShadow> i got 6 on a good day.. lol 00:49 < jintonic> i got the ipod mini as a christmas gift when i asked for an ipod... i wanted to get a ipod 4g in exchange with another 50 bucks but the damn receipt was gone... 00:50 < XeroShadow> that sucks.. im too sensitive i couldnt return a gift 00:50 < jintonic> oh well, i don't take up much space on it anyways 00:50 < XeroShadow> yea.. 00:51 < jintonic> plus it makes it really quick to backup... :P 00:51 < XeroShadow> i love the sound quality of the ipod myself.. the apple earbuds have great sound quality.. but are the most uncomfrotable things i have ever wore 00:51 < XeroShadow> my teacher bought a kit from circuitshitty and gave me the case inside.. a cheap belkin neoprene case.. i had mine wrappd in bubblewrap adn saran wrap lol 00:51 < jintonic> latest generation doesnt include the buds tho 00:52 < XeroShadow> yea it does 00:52 < XeroShadow> mine came with earbuds 00:52 < XeroShadow> and they were horrible comfrot wise 00:52 < ilan> hmm contrast settings in the apple software dont affect the linux side.. 00:53 -!- Wammy|LapTop [~osx@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:54 < XeroShadow> so what case would you gusy recomend for a 4g ipod 00:54 < XeroShadow> the case i got is a really tight fit.. would like soemthign better 00:55 < XeroShadow> was checking out the agent 18 click sheild.. but ipodlounge gave it a C+ 00:55 < chungy> the contrast setting also doesn't affect the splash screen... 00:55 < chungy> wait, it doesn't even save the setting, like the clicker 00:58 < XeroShadow> so any yall got any suggestions ona good case for the 4g ipod 00:58 < coob> the apple one 00:58 < coob> [00:51] XeroShadow | i love the sound quality of the ipod myself.. the apple earbuds have great sound quality.. 00:58 < coob> you gotta be kidding 00:58 < coob> get some proper headphones 00:58 < XeroShadow> lol 00:59 < coob> sony mr-81's or whatever are pretty cheap nowadays 00:59 < coob> some in white too now i thin 00:59 < coob> k 00:59 < XeroShadow> yea i waslookin into those but yea i need diff headphones for sure 00:59 < coob> or get yourself some etymotics :D 00:59 < XeroShadow> but i like the sound quality of the earbuds.. 00:59 < XeroShadow> if i could afford it 00:59 < XeroShadow> spending over 50 on headphones is wasteful in my eyes 00:59 < coob> the sound quality is awful, plus they don't last long, mine popped after a couple of months 00:59 < jintonic> i like the sound of the apple earbuds, the ones that come with the 4g or ok but not as good 01:00 < XeroShadow> they hurt my ears 01:00 < XeroShadow> make my ears ache cuz they like dont fit right 01:00 < XeroShadow> i was lookin into the sony mdx-81's i think.. there only in japan but you can import them 01:01 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+b *!*jeff@*.san.rr.com ] by courtc 01:02 < coob> check ipodlounge.com for reviews of cases/headphones 01:02 < jintonic> thanks, courtc 01:02 < courtc> ;) 01:02 * XeroShadow is listening to Static X - Im With Stupid 01:03 * XeroShadow hes a looser... HES A LOOSER!!! 01:04 * macPod applauds courtc 01:05 * XeroShadow slaps XeroShadow around a bit with a large trout 01:06 < XeroShadow> well ill be back later.. imm go find a place where my boss cant find me and sleep 01:07 -!- XeroShadow [~XeroShado@st-66-99-102-244.robertmorris.edu] has left #ipodlinux [] 01:07 < jintonic> hahaha 01:10 < coob> http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/01/11/1647204.shtml?tid=204&tid=3 01:10 < coob> elite 01:12 -!- xlogk24 [~xlogk24@ip62.quarters-memorial.hou.ygnition.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:26 < Hostile> alright guys I wanna see linux on the shuffle...I dont care that it has no screen 01:26 < Hostile> hehhe jk 01:26 < rsbeq-cam> Done 01:28 -!- Stewy [Stewy@ool-44c1b1db.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:28 -!- Stewy [Stewy@ool-44c1b1db.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:30 < qeusa> anyone know what happened to www.will-burn.net? 01:33 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-b *!*jeff@*.san.rr.com ] by courtc 01:34 -!- cjdavis [~cjdavis@h000625df1144.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:35 < courtc> http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:k1yD0THJWVUJ:www.will-burn.net/+&hl=en 01:35 < courtc> exciting 01:35 < rsbeq-cam> haha 01:37 -!- ramp [~zaccranko@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 01:37 < qeusa> it exploded :O 01:37 < rsbeq-cam> don't we all 01:42 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@219-88-55-130.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 01:43 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:51 -!- ramp [~zaccranko@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 01:51 -!- ryanlrussell [~Default@inside-rtr.bigfix.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:52 < ryanlrussell> Hi 01:55 < ryanlrussell> I was hoping to pick someone's brain about the 4G bootloader disassembly 01:55 -!- ramp [~zaccranko@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 01:55 < rsbeq-cam> What about it? 01:56 < Jonas_NZ> yeah ryanlrussell what ´bout 01:56 < Jonas_NZ> it 01:56 < ryanlrussell> I've been disassembling the osos image for the photo 01:56 < ryanlrussell> I was curious as to which portion maps to the bootloader, etc... 01:56 < Jonas_NZ> hmm, ask nilss when hes around 01:57 < ryanlrussell> His nick is nilss? 01:57 < ryanlrussell> I see it. 01:57 < ryanlrussell> Thanks. 01:58 < ryanlrussell> I believe I have all the code sections in the image mapped out, and some font files, and things like that. Just trying to seperate the pieces so I can concentrate on the right bits. 01:58 < rsbeq-cam> That's cool; how did you go about it? 01:59 < ryanlrussell> You may have seen some of the conversation on the board. I'm using IDAPro 01:59 < rsbeq-cam> Ah 01:59 < ryanlrussell> If you extrac the osos file, the entry point is 512 bytes in 01:59 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:59 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 01:59 < davidc__> hey all 02:00 < ryanlrussell> From there, it's just marking thousands of subroutines. :) 02:00 < davidc__> from what where? 02:00 < davidc__> reverse engineering? 02:00 < ryanlrussell> I've been disassembling the osos file 02:00 < ryanlrussell> yes 02:00 < davidc__> osos file? 02:00 < Jonas_NZ> sup davidc 02:00 < ryanlrussell> From the ipod updater 02:00 < davidc__> ay Jonas 02:00 < davidc__> ryanrussel? 02:01 < rsbeq-cam> osos? 02:01 < davidc__> for which generation? 3g/ 4g/ mini? 02:01 < davidc__> photo? 02:01 < rsbeq-cam> What does that stand for? 02:01 < ryanlrussell> I posted a bi of hacked-up code to extract them: http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Firmware 02:01 < ryanlrussell> I've been working on the OS file for the photo 02:02 < ryanlrussell> Some of he background is on this thread: http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=859 02:03 < ryanlrussell> I own a mini, a leachbj suggested that figuring out the software load process on a 4G might help things along 02:03 < davidc__> yeah 02:03 < ryanlrussell> He requested that the photo be looked at, specifically 02:03 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: yeah. 02:04 < davidc__> we don't have one of those to look at 02:04 < ryanlrussell> So I've been working on the ipod photo software image 02:04 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: The retailos you mean, not the diagnostic or bootloader... 02:05 < ryanlrussell> The aupd image appears to be encoded a bit, so if I can 02:05 < ryanlrussell> Yes the retailos bit 02:05 < davidc__> aupd? We just call em retailOS, bootloader and diagnostic :p 02:05 < ryanlrussell> so if I can find the aupd loader bit, I can figure out the encoding 02:05 < ryanlrussell> I;m just going by what the file segment is called in the updater 02:06 < davidc__> ah 02:06 < ryanlrussell> aupd appears to contain a couple of pieces 02:06 < davidc__> the loader IIRC is in the bootloader 02:06 < davidc__> which is also encrypted 02:07 < ryanlrussell> leachbk says the bootloader is in the aupd bit: 02:07 < ryanlrussell> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Firmware#Inside_the_flash_update 02:07 < davidc__> ok 02:07 < ryanlrussell> At least it is on the older ipod images 02:07 < davidc__> yeah. 02:08 < davidc__> but the loader to download the bootloader into flash is in the previous bootloader in flash :) 02:08 < ryanlrussell> So, I saw on the blog today that the bootloader had been extracted, and that could probably answer a few question for myefforts 02:08 < davidc__> yeah 02:08 < ryanlrussell> hmm 02:09 < ryanlrussell> One of the outstanding questions (for me, anyway) was whether the aupd bits landed on the ipod disk encoded or not 02:09 < davidc__> the aupd bits land on the disk encoded 02:09 < davidc__> then the ipod reboots 02:09 < davidc__> the bootloader in flash on the ipod then copies itself [old bootloader into ram] 02:10 < davidc__> then copies new bootloader from disk to flash 02:10 < davidc__> thats what that progress bar going across the screen is 02:11 < ryanlrussell> Right, so the "BIOS" on the ipod decodes the bootloader? 02:11 < davidc__> yeah 02:11 < davidc__> er 02:11 < davidc__> the bootloader is the bios 02:11 < davidc__> aka old bootloader decodes new bootloader, and copies it over itself 02:11 < ryanlrussell> THat's something I was never clear on. The ipods can be reflashed, yes? 02:11 < davidc__> yes 02:11 < davidc__> but we don't do it 02:11 < ryanlrussell> Sure 02:11 < davidc__> the retail os is booted directly off the hd 02:11 < Jonas_NZ> yeah 02:12 < davidc__> but the aupd contains an update to flash 02:12 < ryanlrussell> But that tells me where the decoder code is. 02:12 < Jonas_NZ> cos at this stage i dont think we can go back yet can we? 02:12 < davidc__> Jonas_NZ: at no stage we can go back :) 02:12 < davidc__> if the reset vector gets clobbered, its the end :) 02:12 < Jonas_NZ> davidc__, i mean flash the flash with the original flash 02:13 < ryanlrussell> If we were to attempt a flash replacement, then we COULD toast the ipod for good, short of going after the jtag contacts, yes? 02:13 < davidc__> Jonas_NZ: Yeah, 02:13 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: Yep 02:13 < Jonas_NZ> cos we dont have the original flash? i am i right or am i completely confused 02:13 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: I was just typing that 02:13 < davidc__> no, we have the flash 02:13 < davidc__> but to put stuff in the flash we need some code to load it into the flash 02:13 < davidc__> so, the flash must be working, to write a new version over itself 02:13 < Jonas_NZ> but if its dead it cant read the flash image with a dead falsh 02:14 < davidc__> yeah 02:14 < davidc__> basically 02:14 < ryanlrussell> No recovery roms. That's too bad. Pretty common, though 02:14 < courtc> fastram- fastram- fastram.. 02:14 < ryanlrussell> So, what I need is a decoded bootloader so that I can decode the bootloader. :) 02:15 < ryanlrussell> fastram? 02:15 < davidc__> courtc: ????? 02:15 < davidc__> [courtc is on crack again.] 02:16 < ryanlrussell> Anyone know if the 3G's shipped from the factory with an encoded bootloader, or did they ever have one in the clear at any point in the past? 02:16 < jintonic> she stopped? 02:16 < davidc__> 3g's use clear bootloaders 02:16 < davidc__> jintonic: I'm pretty damn sure courtc is a he. 02:17 < davidc__> jintonic: Though ya never no. 02:17 < davidc__> everything below 4g's use clear bootloaders 02:17 < jintonic> courtney's a girl name... could be a she, i'm assuming so 02:17 < ryanlrussell> Sorry, I meant 4G 02:17 < davidc__> 4g's, nope 02:17 < davidc__> the first update was encrypted 02:18 < ryanlrussell> k, thanks 02:18 < Jonas_NZ> hey courtney slap him :P 02:18 < macPod> when the iPod is put into disk mode, the bootcode is transfered to the fastram and read there 02:18 < davidc__> jintonic: You don't want to know what courtc did to the first poor sucker 02:18 < macPod> then after that is done it returns to the os 02:18 < macPod> I may have the backwards :0 02:19 < ryanlrussell> macPod, that's about what I assumed it would do 02:19 < jintonic> i think courtc said they were a she last night :-/ 02:19 < ryanlrussell> So nilss was able to attach to a jtag or similar interface, and read out the sram? 02:19 < ryanlrussell> brb 02:19 < Jonas_NZ> yeah i remeber that cos i got into this big debate about it remember 02:19 < jintonic> whatever, no matter he/she in this text-only environment 02:20 < Jonas_NZ> cos i slapped david 02:20 < jintonic> yup 02:20 < jintonic> something about a guy slapping guys...? 02:21 < davidc__> in any case, it doesn't matter 02:21 < jintonic> yup 02:21 < dikae> Hey davidc__ ... I tried to install iPL through my Linux laptop (FC 3) as per the instructions on the site, but when I boot up Linux on the iPod it spits out this error repeatedly: "attempt to access beyond end of device 03:03: rw=0, want=1852400244, limit=32130". I was told you might know what to do? 02:21 < Jonas_NZ> check the logs http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats 02:21 < davidc__> dikae: Thats.. interesting 02:21 < davidc__> strange 02:22 < Jonas_NZ> hmm, ipod specs? 02:22 < qeusa> I have a mini, so if anyone wants me to fetch anything feel free to ask. 02:22 < ryanlrussell> back 02:22 < Jonas_NZ> davidc__, does that sound like a partitioning error? 02:22 < davidc__> yea 02:22 < veteran> 45 people dear lord 02:22 < davidc__> thats what I was thinking 02:22 < davidc__> veteran: ? 02:23 < veteran> must have been a busy day ;) 02:23 < Jonas_NZ> davidc__, i think you should wipe the parition tables completely, then recreate the partitions and fs 02:23 < ryanlrussell> Ah, logs for the channel, great. 02:23 < davidc__> Jonas_NZ: why should I do what huh? 02:24 < qeusa> Has leachbj aquired a 4g yet? 02:24 < jintonic> meh, about 36 people that actually count... the ops, jonas, voices and me are always here :P 02:24 < dikae> davidc__, I dunno, the partition table looks fine with fdisk 02:24 < Jonas_NZ> davidc__, thats what dikea should do, cos of the erors 02:25 < dikae> Jonas_NZ, how completely should I wipe them? like, including the main, multi-gig one? 02:25 < Jonas_NZ> i reckon theres a bug sumwhere 02:26 < Jonas_NZ> dikea, i suggest you bakup the contents of your ipod and then use fdisk to delete all the partitons 02:26 < ryanlrussell> I saw some posts from today, I believe, that said leachbj was looking for the best price 02:26 < Jonas_NZ> write the partition table the redo it 02:26 < dikae> There's nothing on my ipod 02:26 < dikae> ok 02:26 < Jonas_NZ> jintonic, whats this comment about me always being here 02:28 < dikae> Jonas_NZ, sorry I didn't see your question about ipod specs. In case you're still interested/curious, it's a 15 gig 3g 02:28 < courtc> jintonic, I'm certainly not a 'they' 02:28 < davidc__> courtc: would you prefer it? 02:28 < jintonic> well, you're probably one of the less common, leachbj or veteran being the least common to type in here 02:29 < davidc__> common? 02:30 < Jonas_NZ> yeah hmmm 02:30 < jintonic> davidc is in here pretty regularly, courtc too 02:30 < Jonas_NZ> anyway i g2g now 02:30 < courtc> " i think courtc said they were a she last night :-/" 02:30 < Jonas_NZ> ill be back in 15 min or so 02:30 < Jonas_NZ> nilss 02:30 < courtc> davidc__, prefer what? 02:30 < davidc__> alright, she then 02:30 < veteran> that's proper grammer... "they" being the courtc staff 02:30 < davidc__> courtc: never mind. 02:30 < qeusa> Once leachbj gets a hold of a 4g can we expect huge developments (Linux of 4g iPods)? 02:30 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@219-88-55-130.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:30 < courtc> haha 02:31 < qeusa> on* 02:31 < davidc__> courtc: The conversation was about what third person reference to use in reference to you; the options were "He, she, they, it, and that courtc bastard" 02:31 < jintonic> correct grammer er spelling er any linguistic superficialities are often disregarded online 02:31 < davidc__> er, + more quotes. 02:32 < davidc__> I type quite precisely. Except when I don't. 02:32 < jintonic> it helps nothing to dwell on imperfections that do not matter... you can understand what i'm saying just fine most of the time 02:33 < mikegrb> only disregarded by people who don't posses them 02:33 < jintonic> not necessarily 02:33 < courtc> i was just rejecting 'they' as a tp-ref to me 02:35 < courtc> far be it from me to correct someones grammer... 02:38 < courtc> lest I become subject to similar grammer oriented slander 02:38 -!- cjdavis [~cjdavis@h000625df1144.ne.client2.attbi.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:39 -!- xlogk24 [~xlogk24@ip62.quarters-memorial.hou.ygnition.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 02:40 < qeusa> Have a look at this: http://albinoblacksheep.com/text/source.php pretty funny 02:41 < dikae> just an fy courtc, it's grammar with an "a" ;) 02:41 < chungy> heh... a bit old 02:42 < qeusa> Still a good laugh 02:42 < qeusa> I think I saw that a few years back, but I only understand it now since I'm new to C 02:42 < chungy> especially at school. Deal out floppy disks as the "leaked" Windows 2000 source 02:43 < qeusa> Everybody at my school is completely illiterate when it comes to computers. 02:44 < chungy> it's also a bit unaccurate... since there was no WinNT 3.0. WinNT3.51 came just a couple months before Win95, and WinNT was between 95 and 98. 02:44 < chungy> <_< 02:44 -!- Wammy|LapTop [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:44 < chungy> WinNT4 was between 95 and 98* 02:44 < courtc> dikae, you mean fyi? :D 02:45 < dikae> courtc, suddap ;) 02:45 < courtc> :p 02:45 * Wammy|LapTop is happy 02:45 -!- aman [~agrathwoh@ool-4356c2f1.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:45 < Wammy|LapTop> my laptop now serves its purpose 02:45 < Wammy|LapTop> battery works 02:46 < macPod> is it a mac? 02:46 < Wammy|LapTop> of course :) 02:46 < macPod> :) 02:46 < Wammy|LapTop> Darwin laptop-01.local 7.7.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.7.0: Sun Nov 7 16:06:51 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.9.5.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc 02:46 < aman> hi guys! is the ipodlinux program actually useful for playing OGG vorbis files? 02:46 < aman> does it work at full quality and such? 02:46 < davidc__> aman: Not at yet 02:46 < davidc__> aman: But it will be 02:46 < aman> okay, thanks! :) 02:46 < davidc__> aman: We only use one of the two cpus right now 02:46 < davidc__> aman: And in conclusion, RTFF 02:46 < aman> I am interested in getting an iPod and this is a really cool idea... 02:47 < chungy> Apple *may* be releasing an update that will support Ogg Vorbis. It's only a rumour, though 02:47 < courtc> Ok, to make this clear since nobody bothered to ask.. courtc is a male.. you may refer to him as "he" "him" "courtc" or "asshat"... 02:47 < aman> Can anybody tell me what piezo is? 02:47 < davidc__> its a kind of cracker. 02:47 < macPod> courtc do you know where asshat originiated from? 02:47 < davidc__> aman: From italy. 02:47 < courtc> not a clue.. ? 02:47 < rsbeq-cam> Hey asshat 02:47 < macPod> kk 02:48 < chungy> Asshat = Best word evar 02:48 < chungy> http://www.confusednation.com/asshat/ = Not real, but funny 02:49 < courtc> aman, you could trust davidc__ .. or you could try 'define:piezo' on google.. 02:49 < ryanlrussell> OK, I found nilss' writeup, that's awesome. Excellent hack. 02:49 < rsbeq-cam> Is the lock switch's locking of input hardware or software? 02:50 < macPod> software 02:50 < rsbeq-cam> Are you sure? 02:50 < macPod> yes 02:50 < courtc> both,,, kinda 02:50 < rsbeq-cam> Where is it implemented? 02:51 < davidc__> courtc: Why does nobody trust me? 02:51 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:53 < ryanlrussell> Ah now I get it. THe strings in the bootloader are a lot more descriptive, aren't they? 02:53 < courtc> i do davidc__.. you're my google... 02:53 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: yeah, in the bootloader and in the debug 02:53 < ryanlrussell> what debug? 02:53 < courtc> rsbeq-cam, pz.c 02:54 < qeusa> Is there any way to add variables and define the values on an iPod 4g? Somewhere in the firmware... 02:54 < ryanlrussell> I don't recognize those filenames 02:55 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: they're not filenames 02:55 < davidc__> bootloader + debug are both part of apud 02:55 < davidc__> I think 02:55 < davidc__> I know the bootloader is 02:55 < davidc__> not sure about debug 02:56 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: totally not, what line? 02:58 < davidc__> qeusa: WTF are you talking about? 02:59 < courtc> 210-215 02:59 < BleuLlama> -5 02:59 < courtc> ? 02:59 < BleuLlama> just doing the math for you 02:59 < BleuLlama> ;) 03:00 < courtc> oh.. thanks 03:00 < BleuLlama> no prob. that's why i'm here 03:00 * BleuLlama 's work is done here. 03:00 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:01 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 03:01 < BleuLlama> heh 03:01 -!- BleuLlama was kicked from #ipodlinux by davidc__ [your work is done] 03:01 < davidc__> heheheeh 03:01 -!- BleuLlama [~sdlpci@gilliam.cis.rit.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 03:01 < courtc> haha 03:01 < BleuLlama> fair play. 03:01 < BleuLlama> hehe 03:01 < davidc__> I thought you wanted to take a break from work 03:01 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210.86.104.136] has joined #ipodlinux 03:01 < davidc__> so I was just helping you 03:01 < ryanlrussell> ANyone know off the top of their head if the initial bootloader memory address is 0x10000000 or 0x14000000? 03:02 < BleuLlama> i appreciate your concern, davidc. ;) 03:02 < davidc__> 0x1000000000 I believe 03:02 < courtc> rsbeq-cam, and 227-232 03:02 < davidc__> + or - a few 0's 03:02 < davidc__> hey again Jonas_NZ 03:02 < davidc__> but I may be wrong 03:02 < davidc__> its somewhere around 0x1000000ish 03:02 < davidc__> let me go chec 03:02 < davidc__> ah, nm. don't have ida open 03:02 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:02 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 03:03 < rsbeq-cam> courtc, all that does is draw the lock 03:03 < ryanlrussell> I figue it would have to be one of the two ram sections 03:03 -!- Jonas_NZ` [~Jonas_NZ@210-86-104-136.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 03:03 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: no 03:03 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: the intial boot is outta the flash 03:03 < ryanlrussell> ARM code seems to be generally highly relocatable, though 03:03 < ryanlrussell> Ah 03:03 < davidc__> it then copies itself to 0x40000000 03:03 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210.86.104.136] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:03 < davidc__> the first thing it does is copies it to the flash 03:04 < davidc__> err 03:04 -!- Jonas_NZ` is now known as Jonas_NZ 03:04 < davidc__> copies it from the flash 03:04 < davidc__> then jumps to the copy 03:04 < davidc__> faster that way 03:04 < courtc> rsbeq-cam, what are you looking for? 03:04 < davidc__> the secret to life 03:04 < davidc__> which, everyone know is 03:04 < BleuLlama> http://gizmodo.com/#howto-hack-ipod-into-ipod-shuffle-029509 03:05 < BleuLlama> hehe 03:05 < davidc__> hahaha 03:07 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-86-104-136.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 03:07 < macPod> davidc_ I have fresh meat for you: http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=702&highlight= 03:08 < jintonic> hahaha! 03:08 -!- qeusa [infamous@S010600c049e695e5.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [] 03:08 < davidc__> ooh. 03:08 < davidc__> this is gonna be a good one 03:08 < courtc> haha 03:09 * davidc__ the flesh eating monster stalks off to the forums 03:11 -!- jackinloadup [~Azureus@ip70-179-236-141.dl.dl.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:11 -!- jackinloadup [~Azureus@ip70-179-236-141.dl.dl.cox.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:11 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-86-107-84.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 03:12 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: Something saying "ignore input events if hold is on" 03:12 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:12 < courtc> thats in the kernel code... 03:13 < jintonic> hmm :-/ if you reset your ipod that'd kill ipodlinux wouldn't it? 03:13 < rsbeq-cam> courtc: Ah, is it? 03:13 < courtc> keyboard.c iinm 03:13 < rsbeq-cam> For some reason my build of podzilla doesn't display the little lock so I was wondering what was goin' on 03:15 < courtc> yep, added to cvs 18 Dec 03:15 < jintonic> something that'd be kinda fun for ipodlinux: a login prompt that uses a few touchpad start/stop locations to as a passcode 03:16 < ryanlrussell> Oh yes, the bootloader is MUCH nicer to disassemble. :) 03:16 < courtc> jintonic, why not a combo lock type thing? 03:16 < jintonic> and it'd have to be very specific, that way you'd have to remember EXACTLY where the start-stop locations are :P 03:17 < jintonic> you could do that but it'd be less fun... 03:17 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: Where did you get the bootloader from? 03:17 < rsbeq-cam> It would look niftier 03:17 < courtc> jintonic, it would work on 1g-3g though.. 03:18 < jintonic> i was joking about it, in reality your way would work better 03:19 < ryanlrussell> nilss' site 03:19 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: Ah 03:20 < davidc__> hahah, I'm such a bastard 03:20 < ryanlrussell> The IRC logs say not to say anythign yet, but that's the trail I followed. :) 03:20 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: SHH 03:20 < davidc__> IS SECRET 03:20 < ryanlrussell> I'm not looking to steal anyone's thunder 03:20 < davidc__> no, its certainly not that :) 03:21 < courtc> "IPOD NOT HAVE ETHERNET PORT" 03:21 < davidc__> hehe 03:21 < davidc__> yeagh 03:21 < davidc__> I figured I'd dumb down engligh to their level 03:22 < BleuLlama> i'm amazed no one has gotten PPP/Slip running over the ipod's serial and gotten a webserver running on an ipod yet... 03:22 < BleuLlama> ;) 03:22 < davidc__> hehe 03:22 < ryanlrussell> I'm hoping to get ipfw working someday and do just that 03:22 < davidc__> well, I believe someone got apache running on ip/fw 03:22 < ryanlrussell> doh 03:22 < BleuLlama> hehe 03:22 < davidc__> well, not apache 03:22 < davidc__> but some tiny webserver proggy 03:22 < BleuLlama> is there perl on ipodlinux? 03:22 < davidc__> perl = huge... 03:23 < BleuLlama> (poor grammar, sorry) 03:23 < davidc__> someone might be able ot compile it 03:23 < courtc> boa i believe 03:23 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 03:23 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:24 < ryanlrussell> Hmm... looks like the bootloader may have been slightly larger than 64K. Ends right in the middle of a string. :) 03:24 < BleuLlama> oop 03:24 < courtc> davidc__, i love the post :) 03:24 < davidc__> heh 03:24 < davidc__> it seems sorta stuck up and assholeish 03:25 < davidc__> but thats the point 03:25 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: Talk to leachbj and ppl later today 03:25 < courtc> ryanlrussell, the rest of the flash should only be ascii 03:25 < ryanlrussell> Yes, I should be able to find the bits I'm after 03:25 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: what are you looking for? 03:26 < ryanlrussell> I want to be able to decode the bootloader out of an aupd image 03:26 < davidc__> ah 03:26 < ryanlrussell> I might as well continue with that aspect 03:26 < davidc__> ryanlrussell: Join channel #ipodtemp, want to flood you some code. 03:27 < courtc> my god, how many channels do we need? 03:27 < BleuLlama> all of them 03:27 < macPod> why not ipodlinuxflood? 03:29 < davidc__> eh. just easier 03:31 < courtc> i hope you didnt give him the secret cabal handbook.. 03:32 < davidc__> no. 03:32 < davidc__> err.. what secret cabal handbook. 03:32 < davidc__> heh. 03:32 < davidc__> heh. 03:34 < courtc> http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ <-- this one 03:35 < davidc__> hahah 03:35 < davidc__> yeah 03:51 -!- firewire [~firewire@HSE-Toronto-ppp293758.sympatico.ca] has joined #ipodlinux 03:52 < firewire> question: does the ipod photo have the technical ability to play video? i noticed that it had a video display chip . . . 03:54 < Jonas_NZ> nope 03:54 < rsbeq-cam> that's output 03:54 < rsbeq-cam> for the tv slideshows 03:54 < Jonas_NZ> not enuf cpu power 03:55 < rsbeq-cam> oops, I sort of answered a different question, sorry 03:56 < firewire> ok, now i understand 03:56 < firewire> spose it wouldnt be too hard to incorporate a video player into it, just put a better cpu in . . 03:57 < BleuLlama> put a better cpu in? is that all? 03:57 < firewire> i think so . . 03:57 < rsbeq-cam> lol 03:57 < firewire> man, i really want to get one and get play around with the ipod linux 03:58 -!- foo1 [~foo@ool-43553561.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:59 < ryanlrussell> I don't see why it couldn't play really *crappy* video at least 03:59 < davidc__> it could play raw video I think 03:59 < davidc__> just not compressed 04:00 < rsbeq-cam> Well, we're certainly not short on space.... 04:00 < ryanlrussell> I think I want an ipod photo to emulate an Atari 2600 with a paddle controller... 04:00 < ryanlrussell> Now watch as I make this $500 device act like a $20 joystick... 04:01 < firewire> rofl 04:01 < firewire> we all love music 04:01 < firewire> thats why we bought 2000 dollar computesr and not 200 dollar stereos 04:02 < firewire> well, depends how quickly it could access the files, i happen to know a fair bit about video 04:02 < firewire> i doubt the harddrive interface is fast enough to support that datarate 04:02 < ryanlrussell> My GBA can play video with a singe, slower ARM 04:03 < ryanlrussell> No reason the ipod couldn't do that much 04:03 < rsbeq-cam> I have a question: why is it that all the symbolic links to, like, /dev/hda3 on the ipod need to be created in the rc file and aren't saved on the disk between sessions? 04:03 < ryanlrussell> (Yes, it's crappy 320 x 240 x 15fps or something) 04:04 -!- Wammy| [Wammy@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:04 < rsbeq-cam> could be worse 04:05 < ryanlrussell> Alright, clearly I need to buy an ipod photo 04:05 < ryanlrussell> My wife will be thrilled 04:05 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:05 < rsbeq-cam> haha 04:06 < foo1> nyko is creating that vid player for the ipod..so barring any new hardware in it besides the screen I don't see why vidoe couldnt be done 04:06 < rsbeq-cam> The shuffle would be great at video 04:07 < rsbeq-cam> Realtime fullscreen 04:07 < foo1> oh yea 04:07 < foo1> lol 04:07 < ryanlrussell> The photo has a video out, yes? 04:08 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:09 < rsbeq-cam> So, everyone, what would YOU view on your ipod? In imageviewer 04:11 < courtc> I've looked at exactly 1(one) photo on my ipod... 04:11 -!- Wammy|Laptop| [~osx@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:12 < courtc> and it ws a picture of text.. :p 04:12 < rsbeq-cam> What text? 04:13 -!- Wammy|LapTop [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:14 < courtc> "Jeffrey Nelson's IT Portfoilo"... heh 04:16 < rsbeq-cam> odd 04:16 < ryanlrussell> Alright, I'm heading home. I may be back later tonight. Thanks again for the help everyone! 04:16 < courtc> bye.. 04:16 < rsbeq-cam> Night 04:17 -!- ryanlrussell [~Default@inside-rtr.bigfix.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 04:18 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:27 -!- Wammy|Laptop| [~osx@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:29 -!- firewire [~firewire@HSE-Toronto-ppp293758.sympatico.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:33 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by courtc 04:35 -!- foo1 [~foo@ool-43553561.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:38 -!- lgates [~lgates@dhcp024-160-204-085.ma.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:42 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:44 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:44 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:45 < rsbeq-cam> It has certainly died here 04:48 < rsbeq-cam> Goodnight! 04:48 -!- rsbeq-cam [~doom@pool-151-200-13-247.res.east.verizon.net] has quit ["night"] 04:48 -!- BleuLlama is now known as CopperBang 04:50 < lgates> hi all! 04:50 < lgates> the lance-man is back 04:50 < courtc> hi lance-man 04:50 < lgates> Sorry my server is down. my domain expired. it should be abck up tommrow. 04:51 < lgates> Any ops pm me for an account if you dont allready have one. 04:51 < lgates> unlim bandwidth 04:51 < lgates> :-) 04:51 < Wammy> im gonna give this router 1 last chance 04:52 < Wammy> lgates: heh 04:52 -!- CopperBang is now known as BleuLlama 04:53 < jintonic> there once was a man from nantucket 04:53 < lgates> i WAS hosting the the 4g bootloader till yesterday when server died 04:53 < lgates> why i apologise 04:53 < lgates> heh 04:53 < lgates> domains renewing now 04:53 < Wammy> how could you let your domain expire? 04:53 < Wammy> lol 04:54 < lgates> been busy 04:54 < lgates> heh 04:54 < jintonic> whose dick was so long he could suck it 04:54 < jintonic> he said with a grin as he wiped off his chin: 04:54 < lgates> Anyway the ftp will be reopen today or tommrow and yall can host whatever ya want on my t3. 04:54 < jintonic> "if my ear was a cunt i could fuck it!" 04:55 < lgates> for thsoe of you who dont know me i offerd up my server so you guys can make acess to in-progress files public so more people can help 04:55 < Wammy> lgates: me n vet host the ipodlinux.org site :) so we got something in common :) 04:55 -!- Wammy|LapTop [~osx@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:56 < lgates> ohh ok rock on. 04:56 < Wammy|LapTop> :) 04:56 < lgates> Need free hosting? ive got a "theplanet" dual xeon multi t3 server. Im so in love with this project. 04:56 < lgates> he he 04:56 < Wammy|LapTop> we own 2 of those :) 04:57 < Wammy|LapTop> soon to be 3 04:57 < lgates> darn you. 04:57 < lgates> h ehe 04:57 < Wammy|LapTop> http://sys-techs.com 04:57 < Wammy|LapTop> :) 04:57 < lgates> yeah well im an 18 year old with no job..so i cant afford all that.. one of these days. lol 04:57 < Wammy|LapTop> lol 04:57 < courtc> ooh ooh courtc wants free webhosting.. ;) 04:58 < lgates> lol if its non open-source related its $50 a year 04:58 < Wammy|LapTop> lgates: thats not an excuse 04:58 < courtc> damn.. thats expensive.. 04:59 < lgates> unlimited bandwith flexibil sbase unlimited mysql databases and unlimited anyhting eles you want. cpanel servers 04:59 < veteran> k i'll buy it 04:59 < lgates> thats pretty cheap.. im poor 04:59 < lgates> lol 04:59 < veteran> we'll move our sites over to your server 04:59 < veteran> $50/year? 05:00 -!- Jonas_NZ is now known as Jonas_NZ|Away 05:00 < lgates> Everything is unlimited except space. And i prefer to keep bandwidth undder 12 gb a month 05:00 < lgates> per account 05:00 < Wammy> lgates; then thats not unlimited bandwith 05:00 < veteran> ... that's not unlimited? 05:00 < lgates> he he 05:00 < lgates> ok 05:00 < lgates> within reason 05:00 < lgates> :-P 05:00 < lgates> cant host tlak radio or anything 05:01 < lgates> lol 05:01 < veteran> i'll try really hard not to 05:01 < Wammy|LapTop> lol vet 05:01 < lgates> 12 gb should be plenty unless your hosting a porn site. 05:01 < Wammy|LapTop> not really 05:01 < lgates> or a very high traffic site. 05:01 < lgates> "shrugs" 05:01 < veteran> haha i was thinking along the lines of an ipod site 05:01 < veteran> but whatever floats your boat 0.0 05:02 < lgates> yeah 05:02 < lgates> that be plenty 05:02 < lgates> yeah man 05:02 < veteran> hm ok. this site pulls ~190gb/month 05:02 < lgates> pm me ill let you look at a demo 05:02 < veteran> that close enough to reasonable? 05:02 < lgates> LoL 05:02 < lgates> yeah that woudl need a dedicated server 05:02 < veteran> it's called ipodlinux 05:03 < lgates> he he 05:03 < veteran> a really interesting project 05:03 < veteran> eheh =) 05:03 < lgates> thats insane man 05:03 < lgates> 190 gb for ipod linux? 05:03 < veteran> yep last month 05:03 < lgates> you paying for a dedicated t3 or what? 05:04 < Wammy> no we pay for 2000GB/month and 100mbit 05:04 < lgates> bet that sets ya back some cash 05:04 < veteran> (all of our servers run windows 98 for stability) 05:04 < lgates> win 98! LOL! 05:04 < lgates> nice 05:04 < Wammy> cash? hah 05:04 < veteran> yeah it's a great operating system. 05:05 < lgates> darn right man. I rebuilt a custom breed of 98 05:05 < lgates> i have the 98 registry memorised 05:05 < lgates> tehn xp came out.. 05:05 < lgates> downhill form there 05:05 < lgates> actually 05:05 < lgates> windows me 05:05 < lgates> thats where it went downhill 05:05 < veteran> wow memorized? that's pretty impressive 05:05 < lgates> used to 05:06 < Wammy|LapTop> i cant wait till ipodlinux gets slashdoted again, that was such a rush! 05:06 < lgates> i did a lot in hex 05:06 < lgates> made my own gui. 05:06 < lgates> tehn it got formatted 05:06 < lgates> so i said screw it 05:06 < BleuLlama> screenshots? 05:06 < lgates> now ima linux geek 05:06 < lgates> well first off modifying microsoft code in hex... is not exactly legal.. it was jsut for learning. 05:06 < lgates> i only use open source software now 05:07 < lgates> and vmware 05:07 < lgates> when needed 05:07 < veteran> you hexed microsoft code?! 05:07 < veteran> wow i'm suprised you didn't arrested 05:07 < lgates> not hard to do. 05:07 < lgates> You dissassembel it and search for text strings 05:08 < lgates> figru out where stuff points 05:08 < lgates> tkae a line of code and hex it 05:08 < lgates> paste it 05:08 < lgates> save as new file 05:08 < lgates> volia 05:08 < lgates> had run making random errer messages and stuff. 05:08 < lgates> and modding the gui 05:08 < lgates> fun* 05:09 < lgates> i have no life :-p 05:09 < veteran> at least you admit it 05:09 < lgates> heck man i have coprp keys for xp memorised 05:09 < lgates> however... i have a girlfriend 05:09 < BleuLlama> that's a good skill to have 05:09 < lgates> so God must like me 05:10 < lgates> Now if only i could get a job... 05:10 < lgates> bah 05:11 < veteran> well we might be able to put your '98 skills to the test 05:11 < veteran> Wammy - do we have any job openings? 05:11 < courtc> haha.. memorizing Xp corp keys is quite a marketable skill 05:11 < nilss> re 05:11 < Wammy|LapTop> veteran: we might... 05:12 < lgates> i havent used 98 in about 3 years. As i said im a unix geek now. ill email yalla resume if ya want 05:12 < lgates> lol 05:12 < courtc> server vacummer 05:12 < veteran> ok lgates, let's have a xp corp key battle 05:12 < lgates> heck il work for food and shelter 05:12 < veteran> you name one, i name one 05:12 < veteran> back and forth until we run out 05:12 < lgates> LoL 05:12 < courtc> warez==ban 05:12 < veteran> you go first 05:12 < lgates> yeah 05:13 < lgates> suuurrree 05:13 < veteran> ;) 05:13 < lgates> yeah courtc 05:13 < lgates> i gatehrd that 05:13 * Wammy|LapTop gets cat /home/wammy/xpkeys.txt ready. 05:13 < lgates> my entire familyis open source now. My 49 year old mom uses fedora 05:13 < lgates> gates can kiss my butt 05:13 < lgates> :-p 05:13 < Wammy|LapTop> bah! fedora is for n00bs 05:13 < Wammy|LapTop> get her to install gentoo 05:14 < lgates> my mom IS a noob 05:14 < courtc> my gramma uses LFS 05:14 < lgates> he he 05:14 < lgates> nice 05:14 < dikae> Fedora's fine 05:14 < lgates> i use fc3. 05:14 < lgates> a stipped down version 05:14 < lgates> godo general purpouse distro 05:15 < lgates> installs in 15 min. 05:15 < BleuLlama> my parents use OS X because I love them 05:15 < veteran> my great grandfather carved a working computer out of a solid chunk of silicon 05:15 < lgates> i use pearpc for that 05:15 < lgates> he he 05:15 < lgates> i love tiger 05:15 < Wammy|LapTop> that reminds me, i have to go to a shop and buy some network wires 05:15 < BleuLlama> they used Win98 before that. I now don't get any "how do i do this" phonecalls. 05:15 < veteran> er, why? 05:15 < Wammy|LapTop> gotto get my linux boxes back up 05:16 < BleuLlama> linux would be stupid for them. they need application support, and for the oOS to just work. 05:16 < lgates> im in a room with about 12 linux boxes and a wall of monitors. 05:16 < lgates> yeah 05:16 < lgates> i am obsessed 05:16 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:16 < lgates> cuff me im guilty 05:16 < lgates> he he 05:16 < Wammy|LapTop> i got the small workstation, and i gotto get my vpn server up and some other stuff 05:16 < lgates> worst part is 05:16 < lgates> its a 9 by 9 room 05:16 < lgates> and msot of them are ibm servers 05:16 < lgates> its liek 90 degrees 05:16 < lgates> and its winter 05:16 < Wammy|LapTop> lol 05:16 < BleuLlama> aah. you don't pay a power bill, do you? 05:17 < lgates> rents 05:17 < lgates> why i ned aa job 05:17 < lgates> and fast 05:17 < BleuLlama> yeah. i figured you're living with your parents based on what you said earlier 05:17 < lgates> no one will hire me becasue of my age/qualifications 05:17 < lgates> they think i make it up 05:17 < lgates> im liek no... i just have no life... 05:17 < lgates> blah 05:17 < Wammy|LapTop> thats why you go to college 05:17 < lgates> i did 05:17 -!- strestout1_ [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:17 < lgates> i finished highschool at 16 05:18 < Wammy|LapTop> no you didnt, if you are 18 you barely graduated. 05:18 < Wammy|LapTop> heh 05:18 < lgates> then went to ivy tech university for a while... co taught my own a+ xclasses. relised comptia was a joke 05:18 < lgates> and now im freelance. 05:18 < BleuLlama> or they want someone with real work experiece rather than someone who can just do something pointless like memorize the win98 system registry 05:18 < lgates> ive also beena head tech for 2 pc stores. one of which the manager was an idiot. other one closed down 05:18 < lgates> and now im out of luck 05:18 < lgates> bah humbug 05:19 < veteran> hm, well you could always sell yourself to slavery 05:19 < lgates> 14* 05:19 < veteran> (aka working for wammy) 05:19 < lgates> graduated highschool at 14. 05:19 < Wammy|LapTop> vet: its not that bad. 05:19 < Wammy|LapTop> you like it. 05:19 < lgates> public school was retarded 05:19 * veteran is a masochist 05:19 < lgates> i orderd books online 05:19 < lgates> and was self taught 05:20 < lgates> passesd tests. so it worked for me 05:20 < Wammy|LapTop> vet: well you can always work harder ;) 05:20 * veteran kicks Wammy|LapTop from the channel 05:20 < Wammy|LapTop> lol 05:20 < Wammy|LapTop> aye 05:20 < Wammy|LapTop> in 2-3 months it will all look ALOT better, trust me 05:20 < Wammy|LapTop> the way things have gone the past month :) 05:21 * BleuLlama goes back to actually doing something 05:21 -!- strestout1_ [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:21 -!- strestout1_ [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:21 < lgates> bleu. I have real work experence. Problem is finding somone who cna make use of my skills. in a hick town. 05:22 < lgates> Ive got a ton to learn. never stop learning. but id liek to make a living on what i have now for starters... endless war. 05:22 < lgates> lol 05:22 < lgates> kk 05:22 < Wammy|LapTop> whats a quick way to drain the battery on laptops? 05:23 < lgates> screen savers 05:23 < lgates> lol 05:23 < Wammy|LapTop> i have to drain this to the lowest itll go in 1 hour so i can charge over night and have it ready for tomorrow 05:23 < lgates> 3d ones 05:23 < Wammy|LapTop> (new battery) 05:23 < lgates> yep. 3d screen saver 05:23 < lgates> till it dies 05:23 < lgates> ora good benchmark 05:23 < lgates> sandra 05:24 < BleuLlama> backlight at full brightness, something that is compute intensive (benchmark tests), and something that will *read* from the disk. *you don't want writes, in case it dies on you) 05:24 < courtc> nope, sed+grep+while loop 05:24 < lgates> LoL! 05:24 < lgates> good call court 05:24 < jintonic> public school sucked... my high school math teacher was the wrestling coach and my english teacher was the volleyball coach, neither had a credential... advanced electronics class was a basic electronics class because the teacher that was supposed to teach the class never showed up the entire year so i had a substitute teacher that knew no electronics teaching the basic+advanced electronics class 05:24 < Wammy|LapTop> in that case ill just run seti@home 05:24 < BleuLlama> nah. 3d screensavers are pointless nowadays; they're using the GPU, not the CPU. 05:24 < nilss> maybe something like while true;do cat /dev/hd* >| /dev/null;done + /usr/sbin/stress? 05:24 < jintonic> that electronics class was the best quake ii class i ever got an A- in 05:25 < BleuLlama> that'd work. (Nilss) 05:25 < lgates> jintonic, you suck. man. 05:25 < lgates> he he 05:25 < lgates> nice 05:25 < Wammy|LapTop> juntonic, i agree but you cant beat the ambient of a public school 05:25 < Wammy|LapTop> slutty girls are the best 05:26 < lgates> but then again girls from private all-girls schools like the one that my step sister went too are alot sluttyer 05:26 * veteran checks topic of channel 05:26 < courtc> nilss, while true;do cat /dev/hd* >| /dev/null &;done 05:26 < lgates> one can often teach themselfs better than any teacher. Gotta learn how to teach yourself first. then you can learn forever and do it free. 05:26 < BleuLlama> i spent most of highschool (lunch periods and independant studies) helping out the tech arts teachers; laying out things, offset press, lots of printing stuff, making animations on the Amiga, etc.. making the most of my time there and the resources there. 05:26 < courtc> dont forget the & ;) 05:27 < Wammy|LapTop> i agree 05:27 < lgates> i spent most of my highschool lunch perieds sleeping 05:27 < Wammy|LapTop> when xp barely came out 05:27 < lgates> i didnt wake up till liek 2 pm on average 05:27 < lgates> he he 05:28 < Wammy|LapTop> the tech at school couldnt figure out how to get xp into an all-mac network 05:28 < nilss> courtc: i'd think the load would go too high and the kernel is busy with managing the procs 05:28 < jintonic> i ended up going to homeschool for a while then dropping out, getting high school equiv and am going to the local community college to finish up a few credits 05:28 < BleuLlama> lgates: no. because then you will only ever know what you can teach yourself. The best way to attain knowledge is to learn from the mistakes and experiences of others. otherwise you get a very self-centered view of the world, and miss out on more knowledge than you would get otherwise. 05:28 < Wammy|LapTop> i hat to teach him, it was fairly interesting. 05:28 -!- Delirious [~what@adsl-64-175-241-177.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:28 < lgates> BleuLlama, i agree to that toa point. 05:28 < jintonic> maybe not the best path... oh well, it was pissing me off so much i don't even care 05:28 < lgates> BleuLlama, but i belive one shoudl do all they can ebfroe asking for help. so as not to waste time and energy 05:29 < courtc> nilss, you're the man.. :) 05:29 < lgates> BleuLlama, for instance. my moto is "if all else fails google and irc" 05:29 < courtc> /woman 05:29 < lgates> he he 05:29 < BleuLlama> so you'd rather waste a few days, possibly, spinning your wheels, getting knowhere when you could just ask someone who already solved the problem? sounds like you like to reinvent the wheel. 05:30 < Delirious> hey courtc 05:30 < Delirious> remember me? 05:30 < courtc> yup.. 05:30 < lgates> But in reinventing the wheel i cna learn great carpentry skills and other skills. 05:30 < Delirious> Did you ever think of a solution? 05:30 < lgates> Practice on anything 05:30 < lgates> is enver wasted 05:30 < jintonic> history class was the worst.... nothing worse than reading a bunch of biased bullshit about the american revolution and never have use for the information ever again 05:31 < jintonic> like reading a book written by the fuckin discovery channel... every point of view is presented as the only one 05:31 < veteran> davidc__ - i once again applaud your daily novice bash 05:31 < courtc> no, but I made a bin to test for you a while ago.. 05:31 < lgates> jintonic, Se thats why i was self taught. they teach bullcrap in p\ublic schools. And most of it is propiganda bullcrap. 05:31 < Delirious> oh, awesome.. 05:31 < Delirious> what is a bin? a 05:31 < Delirious> podzilla compilation? 05:31 < lgates> had i gont to a public school id never of learned the wonders of php. or the power of linux 05:31 < lgates> heh 05:32 < veteran> Delirious - basically. more specifically, any compilation 05:32 < jintonic> could've... but the teacher would be a total asshat 05:32 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:32 < courtc> hey yous guys: shh 05:32 < veteran> ahoy macpod! 05:32 < jintonic> like my c++ teacher 05:32 < lgates> heh heh 05:32 < veteran> we're currently talking about highschool, windows 98, and memorizing the windows registry! 05:32 < courtc> jintonic, lgates ++on topic 05:32 < macPod> veteran do you have a script on? 05:33 < veteran> ... script has many definitions... irc script? yes. 05:33 < lgates> courtc, aye aye sir. my apologies. 05:33 < jintonic> hehe, yes 05:33 < Delirious> do you still have the bin? 05:33 < courtc> yea.. lemme find it 05:34 < courtc> jintonic, lgates I dont mean to be blunt.. feel free to continue in #ipodlinuxflood 05:34 < lgates> courtc, your an op. jsut doin your job. everyone rattles of and needs to be reeled in. I can go on and on. no sweat. :-) 05:35 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:35 < courtc> Delirious, http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/podzilla 05:35 < courtc> try that.. 05:36 < Delirious> is that supposed to help? 05:36 * veteran whines for an upload mod 05:36 < Delirious> or is it a debugging solution 05:36 < lgates> Speaking of wich. How close is the 4g progect coming. And anyone need anything tested? I have an arm compiler. 05:37 * Delirious forgot how to install the new podzilla ... aiee! anyone got a wiki link? 05:37 < courtc> debugging, if it errors on an mp3 goto 'Quit podzilla'.. then print the error msg here 05:37 -!- jstone [~jack@ool-44c4afed.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:38 < Delirious> awesome ... now i just have to figure out how to install it >< 05:38 < jintonic> lgates: david was looking for someone to try out his 4g screen writing code earlier, he should be around within a few hours 05:38 < courtc> lgates: leachbj, davidc__, and nilss are heading up the 4g development atm.. 05:39 < jintonic> or has he found a victim yet? 05:39 < lgates> well ill try anything. I lvoe a good excuse to dev around. Heck i offerd to take my ipod apart liek 5 times 05:39 < lgates> :-p 05:40 < jintonic> yeah, thing is that everyone did :P 05:40 < lgates> nilss flash dump looked nuts --- Log closed Wed Jan 12 05:43:19 2005 --- Log opened Wed Jan 12 05:44:21 2005 05:44 < lgates> so how DID you get the flash to output to the piezo? 05:44 < Wammy|LapTop> people say this is a chick laptop, i disagree 05:44 < Wammy|LapTop> this is the orange ibook. 05:44 < BleuLlama> RTFS, gates 05:44 < nilss> http://ipodlinux.org/stories/piezo/ ;) 05:44 < courtc> lgates, RTFStory 05:45 -!- _ipodstats [dpalffy@rainstorm.omikk.bme.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:45 < veteran> wammy - it is. and you just wasted $150 on a battery for it. metro. 05:45 < Wammy> $95 thank you 05:45 < lgates> ouch all i saw was the 4g page.sorry@ 05:45 * lgates hides 05:45 < lgates> wammy 05:45 < lgates> orange ibooks rule 05:45 < lgates> rock on bro 05:45 < lgates> lol 05:45 < Wammy> lol 05:46 < lgates> heck ibooks in general rule 05:46 < Wammy> its not my fault, i woulda prefered the gray one but this one was the only one i could get 05:46 < courtc> pink are faster 05:46 < Wammy> its 5 years old 05:46 < Wammy> and it only has 1 bad issue 05:46 < BleuLlama> 233 G3? 05:46 < lgates> no way. lime green is the fastest! 05:46 < Wammy> i droped it the other day. 05:46 < Wammy> 300mhz g3 05:46 < BleuLlama> gotcha 05:46 < BleuLlama> i love the integrated handles on the iToilet,,er original ibooks 05:47 < Wammy> lol 05:49 < jintonic> the upper end ibooks are pretty good, fruity ibooks i cant stand to use 05:49 * macPod caresses his powerbook 05:49 < veteran> hey if apple designed toilets i would definately buy one 05:49 < macPod> to think I will have to give it back one day 05:49 < jintonic> all the whites are good, powerbooks are sweet 05:50 -!- ilan [ilan@69.60.110.251] has left #ipodlinux ["http://www.socallinuxexpo.org"] 05:50 < jintonic> if apple made a toilet it'd wipe your ass for you and it'd cost $1000 05:50 < courtc> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=925 deleting in 20.. 19 05:50 < jintonic> plus you'd need to upgrade to the latest model to get more toilet paper 05:50 < macPod> court go now! 05:51 < courtc> 5..4.. 3.. 2.. 1.. 05:51 < jintonic> oh come on... save it for david 05:51 * BleuLlama loves his Rev A TiBook. (getting a new (quieter) hard disk for it tomorrow. YAY) 05:51 < lgates> lol! 05:51 < lgates> even i read that much.. 05:51 < courtc> to late... 05:52 < veteran> oh come on i missed it 05:52 < lgates> i dotn own a laptop.. so i hook aupa 400 mhz celeron in my car witha full size monitor in the passanger seat 05:52 < lgates> with wifi 05:52 < lgates> LoL 05:52 -!- strestout1__ [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:52 < courtc> veteran: "When will we be able to do it on Version 4 with the click weel?" 05:53 < jintonic> heh 05:53 < veteran> 46... most people i've seen here. 05:53 < jintonic> http://www.craigslist.com <-- ebay without fees and seller responsibility 05:53 < veteran> lots of clones though 05:54 < jintonic> the second part ain't so hot but it is free... so buyer beware, just make sure you go to their house to get the stuff ya buy ;) 05:54 < jintonic> that's not an ad, it's a suggestion for lgates to get a laptop 05:55 < lgates> he he 05:55 < lgates> that takes money. and since my girl lives an hour away.. that costs mea botu 400 bux a month in gas.. and me being unemployed... 05:56 < jintonic> so use the site to sell shit :P 05:56 < jintonic> like the computer you're on right now :P get a laptop isntead :) 05:57 < jintonic> downgrading to a crappy laptop is always a good idea 05:57 < lgates> true 05:57 < lgates> all i need is a bash shell 05:57 < lgates> and im happy 05:57 < lgates> 486 laptop anda wifi card and im golden 05:57 < courtc> lgates do something like rentacoder.com if you're really as 'awesome' as you say you are... 05:57 < BleuLlama> thanks courtc. i was trying to remember that url to tell him. 05:57 < lgates> awesome? me? yeah right. Im a geek. But i do my best for waht its worth 05:57 < lgates> which is currentely nothing. 05:58 < lgates> im mostly a IT not a programmer. 05:58 < courtc> BleuLlama: Great minds... dont think.. 05:58 < lgates> altho im learning C. 05:58 < BleuLlama> heh, court. 05:58 < lgates> and php 05:58 < lgates> heh 05:59 < veteran> http://ipodlinux.org/stories/piezo/ eh can we move that to the wiki? 05:59 < jintonic> i could probly work as a vb coder, but i am not good enough in c or c++ to get paid for it 05:59 < courtc> yea, yea, everyone is learning c.. 05:59 < macPod> not me! I'm learning vb! It's awfully hard! 05:59 < courtc> ahhh 05:59 < veteran> i write windows 95 batch scripts 05:59 < Shados> I agree with veteran I couldn't find that story till I saw it here and it really great for lack of a better term 06:00 < BleuLlama> i'm trying to learn how i wrote this code 9 years ago so that I might re-use it today. heh 06:00 < jintonic> i'm confused about this whole "dim" thing... why aren't my lights dimming? 06:00 < jintonic> :P 06:00 < nilss> the story is linked in the blog... ;) 06:00 < BleuLlama> jin: type it harder. 06:00 < courtc> veteran, naw.. it isnt a community edit thing.. 06:01 -!- ryanlrussell [~Default@dsl081-246-227.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:01 < lgates> vb? 06:01 < jintonic> hey! it worked 06:01 < BleuLlama> :D 06:01 < lgates> these days. your brave 06:01 < lgates> good to know tho 06:01 < ryanlrussell> Hello 06:01 < veteran> courtc - there is still no point in hosting it seperately 06:02 < veteran> the wiki's page protect is there for a reason 06:02 < courtc> veteran, well leachbj wanted it there... I just obey.. 06:03 * BleuLlama suddenly has an urge to watch "They Live" 06:03 < lgates> rentacoder.. good call. im a web designer... this could prove intresting. 06:04 < ryanlrussell> Hey, is the 0x60000000 check for 0x55 or 0xAA perhaps an endianess check? 06:05 < nilss> ryanlrussell: you should read the wiki ;) 06:05 < ryanlrussell> I think I've read the majority of the pages there, is there a particular one? 06:05 < nilss> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/PP5020 06:05 < ryanlrussell> That's the one I'm looking at right now 06:05 < nilss> oh and you should read some of the startup.s in the ipodloader code 06:06 < BleuLlama> ryan: http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/ThatOnePageThatRyanForgotToRead 06:06 -!- jstone [~jack@ool-44c4afed.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 06:06 < ryanlrussell> I'll hunt down the startup.s code 06:06 < ryanlrussell> The wiki says: 06:06 < ryanlrussell> 0x60000000 Processor ID 0x55 CPU 0xaa CPU 06:06 < nilss> yea 06:07 < nilss> you know that the ipod has 2 cpus? 06:07 < ryanlrussell> Ah 06:07 < nilss> both are starting executing the same code 06:07 < ryanlrussell> I was recalling that 0x55 is 01010101 06:07 < nilss> but the value at 0x60000000 is different for each cpu 06:07 < ryanlrussell> while 0xAA is 10101010 06:07 < nilss> so the code can detect which cpu is executing it 06:07 < courtc> arm also can run in big or little endian iirc 06:07 < BleuLlama> hmm. that never clicked before. that's a clever way to do that. 06:08 < ryanlrussell> Thanks 06:08 < nilss> mkay, i'm off to school now ;) bye 06:08 < ryanlrussell> Sweet job on the bootloader BTW, nilss 06:08 < courtc> bye nilss 06:09 -!- strestout1_ [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:11 < ryanlrussell> So what timezone are all you people in where you're just comin on in the middle of the night? :) 06:11 < BleuLlama> EST (NY) 06:11 < ryanlrussell> I'm Pacific time, BTW 06:12 < courtc> EST (ATL) 06:12 < dikae> EST 06:13 < dikae> but my computer doesn't know it cause it can't start NTP cause of some weird permission something with libm.so.6. grr. 06:13 < ryanlrussell> heh 06:18 < ryanlrussell> So is the deal that both CPUs are initialized with the same code simultaneously, so one of them is sent off to do nothing, while the other continues to run code? 06:19 < courtc> yea.. I'm fairly sure thats what happens in the bootloader 06:19 < ryanlrussell> thanks 06:20 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by ChanServ 06:26 -!- strestout1___ [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:31 < BleuLlama> crap. i need my foley-vanDam-Feiner-hughes book, but if i try to go get it, i'll wake up the wife. :( 06:33 < dikae> so I just read that thing about the 4g flashrom whatever... is that supposed to make any sense? ;) Ya'll are way above me. 06:33 < veteran> nope, it was written for the sole reason of confusing people 06:34 < dikae> oh good 06:34 < jintonic> BleuLlama: getting a warez copy of a legally owned book doesn't violate copyright does it? 06:34 < BleuLlama> i think that depends on the publisher, and how they qualify ownership of the book. heh 06:35 -!- strestout1__ [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:35 < BleuLlama> i don't think there's an electronic version of the book... i could be wrong though... if there was, i'd buy it... heh 06:35 < BleuLlama> "Computer Graphics: Prinicples and Practice" by Foley VanDam Feiner and Hughes is *the* graphics programming bible. 06:35 < jintonic> #bookz @ undernet 06:36 < jintonic> oh its there 06:36 < jintonic> gotta be 06:36 < BleuLlama> name an undernet server for me? (I've never gone there) 06:36 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.10] has joined #ipodlinux 06:36 < EvilDude> hey people 06:37 < courtc> hey EvilDude 06:37 < jintonic> eu.undernet.org 06:37 < BleuLlama> thanks! 06:37 < jintonic> ;) 06:38 < EvilDude> im bored and wanna write something for the iPod but dont know what! 06:38 < EvilDude> something simple that my mind can comprehend preferably 06:39 < jintonic> umm... a game? 06:40 < veteran> EvilDude - do you like porting 06:40 < veteran> or do you want to do something from scratch 06:41 < dikae> how about frogger? 06:41 < jintonic> some kinda automatic side-scroller game might be good 06:41 < EvilDude> something from scratch 06:41 < EvilDude> that I can test on windows first 06:41 < jintonic> how the hell would you do frogger? 06:41 < veteran> tron, space invaders, frogger, dance dance extreme, sfcave 06:41 < EvilDude> and then put on iPodLinux coz im stuck on crappy win comp 06:43 < EvilDude> and not even cygwin :( 06:43 < dikae> jintonic, what do you mean how the hell? it'd be easy 06:43 < jintonic> the controls 06:43 < jintonic> can't think of how it'd work very well 06:43 < dikae> rewind is left, ff is right, play is forward, OK is back 06:43 -!- tlg [~tlg@31-227.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 06:43 < EvilDude> i think games should use wheel + center mainly 06:43 < EvilDude> easier to play 06:43 < dikae> well the wheel could be left right 06:43 < dikae> center forward 06:43 < EvilDude> I was playing othello and nimesweeper, both are really good coz of that 06:43 < dikae> and play back. or something 06:43 < EvilDude> although nimesweeper could really use rew and ffwd to skip lines 06:43 < jintonic> yeh, action button would make it a little better 06:43 < dikae> it'd make more sense if play were forward and OK were back I think, but one could argue that one goes foward more than back so it needs to be easier. maybe rewind would be back. 06:44 < dikae> but with only two degrees of motion, I don't think it's an unsolvable problem ;) and frogger rocks 06:44 < BleuLlama> thanks! 06:45 < jintonic> yeah, but wouldnt wanna ruin its name 06:45 < BleuLlama> oops 06:45 < dikae> BleuLlama, np :) 06:45 < dikae> ;) 06:45 < dikae> jintonic, hm how about iCrossingRoadAndRiverGame? ;) 06:45 < jintonic> haha 06:45 < dikae> irarg for short 06:46 < EvilDude> hmm i'll be back later 06:46 < jintonic> haha 06:46 < EvilDude> I think I might try to implement some sort of basic playlist support in the form of code.. 06:46 < EvilDude> easier :D 06:46 < dikae> oh or get a jvm going 06:46 < dikae> and then I'll write frogger, haha. cause I didn't install c compilers on this box. 06:46 < EvilDude> hell no! :P 06:46 < EvilDude> JVM too slow lol 06:46 < EvilDude> lol cya 06:46 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.10] has quit [] 06:47 < dikae> can you imagine jvm on an iPod? 06:47 < BleuLlama> jvm too huge too 06:47 < dikae> yeah the jvm was a joke, don't worry ;) 06:47 < dikae> is the iPod API relatively simple? maybe I'll apt-get some c mofos and write frogger myself 06:48 < dikae> that is assuming I manage to install Linux 06:48 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit ["—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515"] 06:48 < Wammy> 600mhz Celeron or 450mhz AMD K6-II ? 06:48 < dikae> huh? 06:48 < jintonic> k6 i think 06:48 < Wammy> which CPu whould you prefer 06:49 < dikae> I sit hardware talks out. 06:49 < jintonic> celery sucks but i'm not sure k6ii is any better... 06:49 < Wammy> well i can over clock this to 500mhz 06:49 < Wammy> lol 06:49 -!- foo1 [~foo@ool-43553561.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:55 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-33-166-127.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:55 -!- courtc_ [~court@adsl-217-0-48.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:06 < lgates> 450mhz k52 07:06 < lgates> all the way 07:06 < lgates> lol 07:06 < lgates> k62* 07:07 < courtc_> haha.. I've got one of those it the other room.. the other two I got rid of.. 07:07 < Wammy|LapTop> last time i check they were good CPUs 07:08 < Wammy|LapTop> im trying to decide which box i wanna install linux too 07:08 < Wammy|LapTop> since ima be doing alot of cpu stuff. 07:08 -!- Wammy|LapTop [~osx@ip68-101-254-243.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:08 < dikae> hey is anyone here running Linux, like on their main computer? 07:09 < courtc_> yes 07:09 -!- courtc_ is now known as courtc 07:09 < dikae> courtc_, hm you are. but you already know about my odd problem 07:09 < BleuLlama> heh. my main PC is a PII350. heh 07:09 < Wammy> BleuLlama: those are good cpus i have to say 07:09 < dikae> courtc, did you install iPod Linux as it said on the instructions page? and what kind of an iPod do you have? 07:09 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o courtc ] by ChanServ 07:11 < dikae> cause I just used the apple restore to wipe my iPod clean, then I did everything it said to in the instructions page and got nadda. The only two things I did differently: when one step told me to unmount /dev/sda3 and the next told me to mount it again, I just ignored both; and instead of 'modprobe -r sbp2' I just did 'eject /dev/sda' 07:11 < courtc> dikae - more or less.. I have my own kernel and whotnot... 07:12 < courtc> 1g 07:12 < dikae> your own kernel eh. the kernel is probably what's killing mine though, right? 07:12 < dikae> or do you think it's the bootloader? 07:14 < courtc> no clue dikae.. I really have no idea.. 07:15 < dikae> ok. :( 07:16 < dikae> and I wanted to write that awesome frogger game, hehe. Well I'll put something up on the forums and see if anyone can give some sage advice 07:18 < courtc> dikae - didnt you already? 07:18 < ryanlrussell> Hey, in ARM, when PC is used in a calculation, does it point to the current instruction, or the next? 07:19 < ryanlrussell> (Amazon hasn't delivered by ARM books yes. :) ) 07:19 < courtc> dunno.. 07:19 < ryanlrussell> k 07:19 < dikae> courtc, no I thought I'd try here first 07:20 < BleuLlama> if it's like other processors, it will increment the pc while reading the opcode, so it will point to the next instruction while the opcode is being processed. 07:20 < BleuLlama> but i'm not familiar with ARM, so i'm not sure. 07:21 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=920 07:21 < dikae> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=920 07:21 < dikae> hahah 07:21 < dikae> yeah someone beat me to it! 07:21 < BleuLlama> i'm not sure what will get pushed onto the stack if you had a "push SP" opcode in there. although that mihgt not even be a possible opcode... hehe 07:21 < courtc> thought it was you dikae 07:21 < dikae> courtc, if it is I should see a dr :-O 07:22 < dikae> nope, just a freak coincidence 07:22 < dikae> but that was exactly my problem to the letter. that's a really weird coincidence! 07:23 < courtc> post a reply 07:23 < dikae> saying "me too"? 07:23 < courtc> yes, actually.. 07:23 < courtc> :) 07:23 < dikae> ok 07:24 -!- strestout1___ [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:25 < courtc> perhaps add some more detailed info if you can 07:25 < dikae> There's really not much but I'll try. 07:25 < courtc> ryanlrussell - check here for some arm stuff until your books arrive http://www.ee.ic.ac.uk/pcheung/teaching/ee2_computing/ 07:28 < ryanlrussell> Looks like a decent place to look, thanks. I've got the cheatsheet from arm.com, which isn't bad, but it's more useful if you already know what you're trying to look up. :) 07:29 < courtc> yep 07:32 < courtc> dikae - thx 07:32 < dikae> courtc, for the post? np :) 07:32 < dikae> I should say thanks to you! 07:33 < courtc> I've done nothing useful.. :p 07:33 < dikae> well you've talked to me, hehe. and tried. 07:34 < dikae> I haven't done anything useful either 07:34 < dikae> so here's an interesting question: 07:35 < dikae> I have this cut or something on the inside of my mouth, hurts a lot. I noticed today at dinner that it hurt a lot less when I drank beer. 07:35 < BleuLlama> hah. after all of that, the book was in a box in the basement. heh 07:35 < dikae> So if I wake up tomorrow and the first thing I do is down a cold one, does that make me an alcoholic or a wise taker of helpful medicine? 07:36 < foo1> both 07:36 < foo1> and it matters what type ur 'medicating' with 07:37 < dikae> as I said, beer 07:38 < dikae> this evening it was a killian's 07:38 < BleuLlama> dikae: does it hurt when you touch it with your tongue? 07:39 < dikae> BleuLlama, it's far enough back that I can't. 07:39 < dikae> but it doesn't hurt when I touch it with my finger 07:40 < BleuLlama> it's probably just a cold sore... (anything can cause them). grab some cold sore medication, it helps a lot (it's like peanut-buttery consistancy, but has numbing properties... 07:40 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:40 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:41 < dikae> I don't think it is, it's not white 07:41 < dikae> I think I just cut or burned my cheek 07:41 < BleuLlama> ah 07:42 < BleuLlama> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=916 geez. people need to learn how to type 07:43 < courtc> Yea, he asks a question, davidc__ says "I dunno what you just said", he asks "could you answer my illegible questions pls?" 07:53 < ryanlrussell> So where do I look to find out what software interrupt 0x123456 does? 07:53 < foo1> dikae-- a cold one to me is anything from beer to a chilled mixed drink to a bottle of vodka you pull out the fridge...or from next to your bed when you forgot to shut thw window the night before 07:53 < dikae> hehe ok 07:54 < foo1> haha and beer isnt an alcoholic..the last case...then yes 07:56 -!- cohmapapphome [~d@c-67-161-71-118.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:57 < cohmapapphome> (or shuffle) - nice 07:57 < courtc> :) 07:59 * leachbj is back (gone 14:37:59) 08:01 < courtc> heres a good morning puzzle leachbj: http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=920 08:01 < cohmapapphome> different HD maybe? 08:02 < courtc> nope.. :p 08:02 < courtc> well.. it sdoesnt seem so.. 08:02 < cohmapapphome> can you tell anything from a serial number? 08:02 < cohmapapphome> like maybe manuf date? 08:03 < cohmapapphome> duh, sorry 08:03 < cohmapapphome> g3 08:03 < cohmapapphome> :-) 08:04 < courtc> compared a fdisk -l to a properly installed uclinux.. Identical 08:06 < leachbj> courtc: strange 08:07 < courtc> very :/ 08:07 < fessiers_> courtc: on that forum post, it's obvious that it's trying to start a read past the end of the disk. 08:07 < courtc> indeed 08:08 < courtc> but why? 08:08 < dikae> leachbj, if you want a realtime puppet to try to debug it, I'm here :) 08:08 < fessiers_> podzilla and inetd both can't start 08:09 < fessiers_> where in the startup process is that happening? 08:09 < courtc> /etc/inittab 08:09 < dikae> fessiers_, the Linux penguin guy happens, then it scrolls text too fast to read and then jumps straight to that 08:10 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:10 < fessiers_> hmm 08:11 < fessiers_> I've seen this before 08:11 < dikae> oh :) 08:11 < fessiers_> ... checking my notes ... 08:12 < courtc> hmm... I should start keeping notes.. 08:12 -!- cohmapAFTERCRASH [blahblahbl@c-67-161-71-118.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:12 < cohmapAFTERCRASH> crashed. Stupid windows xp 08:14 < cohmapAFTERCRASH> I'm trying to stream video from my DVR to my pc 08:14 < courtc> you get no sympathy from me.. Its your own fault you paid for(or not) a psudo-stable os. 08:14 < fessiers_> dikae any idea how much free space you have on there? 08:15 < dikae> fessiers_, it's a 15gig that had been through Apple's restore app not 10 minutes before 08:15 < cohmapAFTERCRASH> Courtc: yeah, I hear you. Next time I install from scratch, hopefully I'll have the guts to go linux. 08:15 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0867.ts005.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:16 < fessiers_> courtc: should we expect a FAT filesystem here? 08:17 < dikae> it is one 08:17 < courtc> yep 32130 is the size of the linux partition 08:18 < dikae> yeah 08:19 < fessiers_> this sounds like the kind of thing you might get when you have a mismatch between the size of a partition and the actual length that the filesystem is written on the disk. 08:20 < fessiers_> dikae: do you have access to any kind of a debugging console? 08:20 < dikae> the partition table also looked exactly as the directions said it was supposed to 08:21 < dikae> fessiers_, debugging console? probably not? I mean, I have the terminal 08:21 < fessiers_> OK so you can boot and open a shell? 08:22 < courtc> I dont see where the number 1852400244 is coming from, the hd size is 8225280 08:22 < dikae> well I can on my linux box :) not on the ipod though 08:23 -!- Jonas_NZ|Away [~Jonas_NZ@210-86-107-84.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 08:24 < fessiers_> courtc: I don't think those numbers correspond to what you think. 08:25 < courtc> rather, the hd size is 15000330240, 08:25 -!- cohmapapphome [~d@c-67-161-71-118.client.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:25 < fessiers_> perhaps the 1852400244 offset 8225280 blocks or something 08:28 < courtc> 08:29 < piratePenguin> make sure the OS reads the correct geometry... happened me before, dunno what was wrong.. fdisk had the wrong geometry and it wasn't fixed till I restored the ipod 08:29 -!- karlan [1000@c-24-5-83-93.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:29 < karlan> why was the ipod surrouned in foam? 08:29 < karlan> lol 08:29 < courtc> the partition table is perfect.. 08:29 < fessiers_> piratePenguin, I concur, that makes sense 08:29 -!- karlan [1000@c-24-5-83-93.client.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:30 < piratePenguin> :) 08:30 < fessiers_> check the partition starting and ending blocks. 08:30 < dikae> fessiers_, I did 08:30 -!- karlan [1000@c-24-5-83-93.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:31 < courtc> its all perfect.. I double checked... 08:31 < dikae> I can show you on #ipodlinuxflood if you'd like. It matches up exactly with what it says on the install page it should be 08:31 < karlan> is there any need for a socket programmer for linux on ipod? 08:31 < fessiers_> hmmm 08:31 < courtc> karlan - to prevent the sound from echoing of course ;) 08:32 < leachbj> dikae: have you tried to restore and then do the install again? 08:32 < dikae> leachbj, yeah I just did that 08:32 < courtc> looks like leachbj didnt read my notes ;) 08:33 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0867.ts005.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Linux is a (r)evolution. Embrace change."] 08:33 < leachbj> sorry ;) 08:33 -!- cohmapAFTERCRASH [blahblahbl@c-67-161-71-118.client.comcast.net] has quit [] 08:33 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 08:33 -!- karlan [1000@c-24-5-83-93.client.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:33 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:33 < dikae> hm the thread got moved from installation to bug 08:34 < fessiers_> I think piratePenguin's hunch is where to start 08:34 < leachbj> pah - thats no bug ;) 08:34 < courtc> there are no bugs.. 08:34 < dikae> fessiers_, but I did restore the ipod 08:34 < fessiers_> yeah 08:35 < leachbj> so the next likely problem is that something was not quite right during the install. 08:35 < fessiers_> have others done the same procedure on the same [mfr/model/rev] hard disk with no problems? 08:36 < dikae> no idea. 08:36 < courtc> assuming the hd hasnt changed... the geometry is the same so it would seem so.. 08:36 < dikae> but as that thread shows, two people following theh same instructions independently came to the exact same problem 08:37 < leachbj> they're probably poorly written :/ 08:37 < dikae> that might be the bug ;) 08:37 < leachbj> dikae, maybe just try untar'ing the userland stuff and then leave it untouched... 08:37 < leachbj> see if that boots 08:37 < dikae> ok 08:37 < dikae> should I do a fresh install or just that part? 08:38 < leachbj> just redo the untar 08:38 < dikae> ok 08:38 < leachbj> that should overwrite stuff 08:38 < courtc> hmm.. dikae what kernel rev are you running on? 08:38 < dikae> courtc, you mean on my main box? 08:39 < courtc> the one accessing your ipod.. 08:40 < dikae> kernel-2.6.9-1.724_FC3 08:40 < courtc> ok.. 08:41 < dikae> leachbj, that didn't work 08:43 < fessiers_> when you do a restore, does that wipe the disk and partion table? 08:43 < dikae> yeah 08:45 < leachbj> strange... 08:45 < dikae> yup 08:45 < dikae> and until it gets fixed, I can't try to learn the iPod API so that I can give up before finishing the port of frogger that I'll hope someone else codes ;) 08:46 < dikae> um I mean, I can't port frogger. yeaaah.... 08:48 < fessiers_> My diagnosis: during the init process, a program is asking the kernel to get something off the filesystem. The filesystem (e[23]fs, no?) tells the kernel that the inode containing the data is on a place past the end of the partition. Agreed? 08:49 < leachbj> so that would indicate some file system corruption...? 08:50 < dikae> I believe the filesystem is ext2. Other than that -- I understood what you said and it sounds right, but I'm so far from an expert that my agreeing means nothing ;) 08:50 < dikae> yeah 08:50 < fessiers_> probably not corruption 08:50 < dikae> oh I don't know if this is significant, but when I untarred the filesystem it warned me that everthing was very outdated 08:50 < leachbj> that is normal 08:50 < dikae> I believe the dates are the beginning of the epoch 08:50 < dikae> ok 08:50 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:52 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:52 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 08:52 < ryanlrussell> An ext2 filesystem is created on Windows ipods? 08:53 < fessiers_> I believe you'll see something with the same symptoms when (1) your bios is buggy or old and misreads the drive geometry or (2) you change the size of a partition with fdisk or gpartd and don't resize the filesystem that resides on that partition. 08:53 < dikae> manually created, by fdisk 08:53 < dikae> fessiers_, actually 08:53 < dikae> it did give me this warning, hold on... 08:53 < leachbj> ah, now the truth comes out ;) 08:53 < fessiers_> you might need to explicitly go in with fdisk and set drive geometry in xpert mode 08:54 < dikae> ok well when I wrote in fdisk it said 08:55 < dikae> WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. / The kernel still uses the old table. / The new table will be used at the next reboot. / Syncing disks. 08:55 < dikae> where / is a newline 08:55 < leachbj> oh 08:55 < leachbj> that don't sound normal 08:56 < davidc__> dikae: That definitly doesn't sound normal 08:56 < dikae> I just unplugged the ipod then plugged it back in then unmounted the /dev/sda3 and sda2 that got automounted 08:56 < davidc__> dikae: hahaha.. That would be your problem 08:56 < davidc__> partition table = fucked 08:56 < davidc__> repartition the sucker 08:56 < fessiers_> definitely repartition the sucker 08:56 < leachbj> just try recreating the filesystem and then untar 08:56 < dikae> well but that happened all three times I repartitioned 08:56 < dikae> the first time, then again with the second, then again after I restored the ipod 08:57 < fessiers_> 1 reboot everything 2 repartition 3 recreate filesystem 4 untar 08:57 < dikae> everything includes this box? 08:58 < dikae> wait wait what's 3? I thought the untar *is* creating the filesystem 08:58 < leachbj> dikae, just recreate the filesystem and untar ;) 08:58 < dikae> what's that mean? sorry 08:58 < fessiers_> uhhh... don't think you can create a filesystem with tar, only dump 08:58 < leachbj> redo the mkfs and untar parts 08:58 < dikae> oh oh ok 08:59 < dikae> and also the repartion parts or no? 08:59 < fessiers_> definitely!! 08:59 < dikae> ok ok 08:59 < dikae> hehe 08:59 < leachbj> the partitions table is probably ok. 08:59 < dikae> but I'm sure it'll give the same error. lemmie try and see 09:00 < leachbj> the error just said it couldnt re-read the partition table, not that it couldnt write it. 09:00 < dikae> that's what I thought too 09:00 < dikae> that's why I didn't mention it 09:01 < dikae> fdisk -l /dev/sda spits out exactly what it should 09:01 < dikae> (just tried it again) 09:01 < leachbj> but because the in memory view of the partition table wasnt right the mkfs would get it wrong 09:01 < davidc__> ah 09:01 < davidc__> that might explain it 09:01 < fessiers_> for sure 09:02 < dikae> just to be pedantic about it: "/dev/sda3 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here!" I'm just going to umount it and proceed, yes? 09:02 < fessiers_> yea 09:02 < fessiers_> what to do to get it to reread the partition table? 09:03 < fessiers_> remove the device from the system 09:03 < dikae> yeah I did that 09:03 < dikae> and then I did fdisk -l /dev/sda and it's all good 09:03 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-122-153.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 09:04 < leachbj> if you unplug a usb/firewire device then plug it back in then the partition table will get re-read 09:05 < fessiers_> indeed 09:05 < dikae> should I change the files as the instructions say to? or try once without? 09:05 < leachbj> just try without first 09:06 < dikae> it does the same thing 09:06 < dikae> now I'll try with the changes 09:07 < leachbj> hmmm I might have been wrong about the paritition table being ok :/ 09:08 < Jonas_NZ> yeah, leach i suggested to completely wipe it and do it again? 09:08 < dikae> ok but I did that three times, hehe 09:11 < Jonas_NZ> yeah maybe a hardware problem? 09:12 < dikae> yeah. I wonder if any of these 3gs have gotten going 09:12 < davidc__> 3g ipods work fine 09:12 < dikae> well not all :-P 09:12 < leachbj> i have a 2g and 3g and they both work fine. 09:12 < davidc__> leachbj: You have two! bastard. 09:12 < dikae> ok 09:12 < davidc__> I think I'm gonna buy a photo though 09:12 < davidc__> my bonus gets in on monday, and I can maybe afford it :) 09:12 < dikae> leachbj, you installed them through Linux? 09:13 < leachbj> dikae: yes, once or twice ;) 09:13 < dikae> ok just making sure :) 09:15 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:16 < fessiers_> dikae, this could be a hardware issue, but that's not to say it's broken 09:16 < dikae> ok 09:16 < dikae> I think I'm giong to give up for tonight anyway 09:16 < dikae> seeing as it's 4am and all :) 09:17 < fessiers_> Did you unplug the device after repartitioning it? 09:17 < dikae> yeah 09:17 < dikae> and then plugged it back in, and Fedora automounted /dev/sda3 and 2, so I umounted them 09:17 < dikae> and then remounted /dev/sda3 manually as per the instructions 09:18 < fessiers_> but before you remounted it you ran mkfs right? 09:18 < dikae> yup 09:18 < dikae> and tune2fs 09:19 < fessiers_> what's the deal with tune2fs again? 09:20 < leachbj> that just sets the settings for fsck (to never) 09:21 < dikae> this is probably nothing, but I noticed that among the changes to /etc/rc is "mknod /dev/ttyp1 c 3 0" 09:21 < dikae> is that by chance "device 03:03"? 09:24 < dikae> those lines are also in the original fs 09:25 -!- Mayoral [ask@200.Red-80-26-118.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:28 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-122-153.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:29 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-122-153.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 09:39 < dikae> Well I think I'm going to head out and hit the sack. 09:39 < dikae> good night all, thanks for your help :) 09:44 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 09:50 < Jonas_NZ> how do you move stuff in ftp? 09:50 < jintonic> HAHAHAHAAHHAA!!!! 09:51 < ryanlrussell> put and get 09:51 * jintonic just saw a commercial for "mercenary: playground of destruction" 09:52 < jintonic> plural... mercanaries 09:53 < jintonic> hmm... seems like it'd be tough to do on a console controller though :-/ 09:55 < jintonic> looks like counterstrike with a plot and better graphics 09:55 < jintonic> and its in the third person 09:59 < courtc> hmm whats the easiest way to extract a single file from a huge tar archive? 09:59 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-122-153.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:00 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@p548797C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:00 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EABB55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:00 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 10:05 < courtc> naptime.. @ 5am.. :p 10:09 -!- foo1 [~foo@ool-43553561.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:13 -!- ryanlrussell [~Default@dsl081-246-227.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 10:15 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.87] has joined #ipodlinux 10:16 < EvilDude> hey people 10:30 < Exion> jintonic: tar xpf tarfile filename 10:30 < Exion> eventualy tar zxpf tarfile filename (if it's gzip'ed) 10:42 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 10:50 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.87] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:00 -!- carote [~tobyisagi@144.133.196.220] has joined #ipodlinux 11:04 -!- JonesH [~chatzilla@h60n1fls31o1118.telia.com] has joined #ipodlinux 11:05 -!- Delirious [~what@adsl-64-175-241-177.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:09 < jintonic> ? 11:10 < jintonic> oh, mixed up courtc with me 11:19 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup142.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:24 < Exion> ahh... 11:24 < Exion> hehe 11:28 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 11:45 -!- Circa2k [circa@pcp174722pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["« Ë×Çü®§îöñ » Info~[v9.5]~ Released~[October 27, 2003]~"] 11:50 < nilss> re. 11:51 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup142.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has quit ["Linux is a (r)evolution. 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Standard UART stuff, yes? 18:36 < Thijs> nilss: why u dont use a std. MAX232 ? 18:36 < nilss> Thijs: i dont have one ;) 18:36 -!- tlg [~tlg@242-211.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 18:36 < nilss> but i have a lot of old hardware i have no use for ;) 18:37 < phildev2> Do u have a TI89 or TI92 calc? 18:37 -!- tlg [~tlg@242-211.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 18:37 < nilss> nope 18:37 < phildev2> u can bye a serial cable 18:38 < phildev2> buy 18:38 < ryanlrussell> The problem is that the ipods do TTL seria, right? 18:38 < ryanlrussell> serial 18:38 < leachbj> yeah 18:38 < phildev2> only on remote port 18:38 < phildev2> not on dock 18:38 < leachbj> on both 18:38 < phildev2> ? 18:39 < Thijs> nilss: its seems that pin 15 = SO --> Ouput ? and pin 17 = SI --> Input ? 18:39 < phildev2> Ah 18:39 < ryanlrussell> It's off the port next to the headphone jack, yes? 18:39 < Thijs> but i wouldnt try my expensive ipod on such unknown chip 18:39 < Thijs> max232 costs nothing 18:39 < Thijs> i have about 12 of them left 18:40 < leachbj> see Serial(Port)? on the wiki 18:40 < dolph1n> baaaack 18:41 < ryanlrussell> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Serial_Port 18:41 < Thijs> nilss: hmm 18:41 < Thijs> it seems like an chip between the UART and the serial port connector.. so i wont use it 18:42 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 18:42 < Thijs> u live in germany, right ? 18:42 < nilss> yea 18:42 < Thijs> maybe i can send you some max232's 18:44 < Thijs> i got some nice port paye sticker :) 18:50 < nilss> mkay i connected some wires to the pins 18:51 < nilss> let's see if i get something 18:54 < ryanlrussell> The ipod serial port uses 3.3V TTL? 18:54 < Thijs> yes 18:54 < Thijs> but 5v doesnt harm 18:55 < ryanlrussell> Does "harm", but will it talk at a signal level of 5V? 18:55 < ryanlrussell> Doesn't "harm", I mean... 18:55 < Thijs> yes 18:55 < Thijs> i mean 18:55 < Thijs> the apple protocol works nice 18:55 < Thijs> i can let my ipod skip, pause, play songs 18:55 < Thijs> (orignal firmware ) 18:55 < ryanlrussell> Great 18:56 < ryanlrussell> I'm contemplating a pre-made cable from here: 18:56 < ryanlrussell> http://www.superdroidrobots.com/rs232.htm 18:56 < ryanlrussell> And the 5V is heaper. :) 18:56 < ryanlrussell> cheaper 18:56 -!- strestout1_ [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:58 < Thijs> but if u dont trust the v, you could also attach some std. diodes 18:58 -!- John_ [John@dhcp-248211.mobile.uci.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 18:58 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EE97B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:59 < John_> hey, guys. Sorry if this is bad protocol but I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on porting linux to the ipod shuffle? 18:59 < Thijs> lol 18:59 < ryanlrussell> Sure, what kind of processor does it have? 18:59 < John_> I don't know 18:59 < John_> I was hoping someone might have an idea 18:59 < John_> I was thinking of buying one 19:00 < Thijs> is that ipod shuffle not just a piece of flashrom with an simple mp3decoder and amplifier ? 19:00 < John_> could be 19:00 < ryanlrussell> I suspect so. 19:00 < Thijs> does it have a display ? 19:00 < John_> but it'd have to have a processor if it has a decoder ;) 19:00 < Thijs> LCD ? 19:00 < John_> no 19:00 < John_> LEDs =) 19:00 < Thijs> lol 19:00 < John_> hehe 19:00 < ryanlrussell> No, a decoder isn't neccessarily a general-purpose processor 19:00 < John_> ah 19:00 < Thijs> so what would u do on it with linux ? 19:01 < ryanlrussell> practice morse code 19:01 < John_> same thing I'd do if I didn't have Linux ;) 19:01 < John_> listen to music, hehe 19:01 < ryanlrussell> OK, it's already running Linux then. :) 19:01 < John_> lol 19:01 < John_> but i'd love to find a way to run an ssh server on it 19:01 < Thijs> most hardware routers are also based on linux 19:01 < John_> or even better a web server ;) 19:02 < Thijs> and then ? 19:02 < John_> well, aren't they based more on BSD? 19:02 < ryanlrussell> It's USB only, I don't think there's a good way to network it 19:02 < John_> ah, I was just throwing out ideas 19:02 < veteran> John_ - why would you want linux on the shuffle? 19:02 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-65-41-182-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:02 < John_> what are the benefits of running linux on an Ipod? 19:03 < nilss> for ogg support? ;) 19:03 < veteran> John_ - many, it has a screen 19:03 < John_> yeah 19:03 < Thijs> yes 19:03 < nilss> i guess the shuffle doesnt even have a piezo ;) 19:03 < Thijs> so i can see something happen on the screen 19:03 < veteran> haha nilss =D 19:04 < Thijs> can make applications and output on the screen and though audio 19:04 < Thijs> lol... 19:04 < John_> yeah, I was just curious 19:04 < Thijs> if it doesnt have a screen, it might be a nice musquito-away device with nilss piezo code :) 19:04 < John_> lol 19:05 < nilss> mhm but it has leds ;) 19:05 < John_> well, I gotta run 19:05 < Thijs> get some moe money 19:05 < John_> thanks for the advice 19:05 < ryanlrussell> I ordered one of the TTL->RS232 cable, I'll report how it works when I get it 19:05 < Thijs> and buy a real ipod 19:05 < Thijs> nice 19:05 < Thijs> the 3.3v ? 19:05 < John_> iPods are too big ;) 19:05 < ryanlrussell> 5.0 19:05 < Thijs> ah ok 19:05 < ryanlrussell> 5V 19:06 < ryanlrussell> I think I have more use for the 5V if it will also work on the iPod OK 19:06 -!- John_ [John@dhcp-248211.mobile.uci.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:06 < Thijs> dont blame me if your ipod is gonna smoke or your serial port is producing fire 19:06 < Thijs> my cable works on 5v and it went ok 19:07 < ryanlrussell> It's OK, I've got the EXTENDED WARRANTY :) 19:07 < Thijs> on the serial cable or the ipod ? 19:07 < ryanlrussell> When my first mini's drive died a couple of days after I got it, I went back to Best Buy, and they said "here, have a replacement". 19:08 < Thijs> new ipod or drive 19:08 < ryanlrussell> They just grabbed another boxed ipod mini 19:08 < fre_ber> " i guess the shuffle doesnt even have a piezo" - ROFL 19:09 < ryanlrussell> Best Buy is not equipped to repair iPod internals, I don't think. :) 19:10 < ryanlrussell> BBL 19:11 * BleuLlama is tearing apart two TiBook G4s 19:12 < Thijs> i currently work at an apple authorized service provider.. so i got super-service :) 19:21 < coob> drinking game: every time steve jobs says 'boom' in his mwsf keynote, take a shot 19:22 < BleuLlama> how about every time he says "otoh-matic" 19:22 < courtc> or "the" 19:23 < fre_ber> Depends on how much you want to drink.. :) 19:23 < courtc> or a word containing an e 19:24 < fre_ber> courtc is flat out... 19:24 < fre_ber> ...drunk 19:24 < fre_ber> :) 19:24 < courtc> :O 19:24 < fre_ber> After playing that game, I mean. 19:26 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 19:27 < fre_ber> I'm afraid that I wouldn't handle the other games either... :( 19:33 -!- meds [~Kevin@S0106000f6694cfb8.tb.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:34 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup039.ts006.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:34 -!- meds [~Kevin@S0106000f6694cfb8.tb.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:41 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup039.ts006.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Linux is a (r)evolution. Embrace change."] 19:51 -!- Enjoi [1000@81-86-94-147.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:52 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-93-217.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:52 -!- Enjoi is now known as dolph1 19:52 -!- dolph1 is now known as dolph1n 20:01 * Mayoral is back (gone 01:57:44) 20:06 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:11 -!- fessiers_ [~dave@adsl-216-103-47-182.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:16 -!- Mayoral [ask@56.Red-213-98-20.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I *really* love core dumps..."] 20:28 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-35-46.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 20:39 < courtc> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=928 <-- poor baby :'( 20:40 -!- Duckula [~overflow@pD9E69485.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:42 < veteran> muahaha! let's keep a 4g death toll 20:42 < courtc> haha 20:42 < Jonas_NZ> its recoverable 20:42 < coob> courtc: the system works! 20:43 < Jonas_NZ> but with about an hours worth of work 20:43 < coob> natural selection that is :) 20:43 < courtc> rofl 20:43 < Jonas_NZ> courtc: btw your set to away :P 20:43 < courtc> i know.. thats cause I'm not here 20:44 < Jonas_NZ> oh ok 20:44 < Jonas_NZ> ;) 20:45 < courtc> Its my way of divirting the pm's to leachbj 20:46 < courtc> :D 20:46 < Jonas_NZ> lol 20:46 -!- Shados [~asd@ool-44c15874.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:52 < Luke> hey all 20:52 < Jonas_NZ> does any1 know of a programm that i can use to record the sound thats coming out my speakers 20:52 < Jonas_NZ> hey luke 20:56 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:01 < BleuLlama> damn. a lot of wiki changes today... 21:03 < chungy> hmm.. Are people seriously porting this to the shuffle? 21:05 < BleuLlama> has anyone even opened up a shuffle yet to see what processor it has in it? 21:06 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:07 < chungy> I doubt anyone in here has a shuffle yet, being released yesterday 21:07 < chungy> But iPodLinux on a shuffle would be like GNU/Linux on a monitor-less PC 21:07 < leachbj> hey phildev, not sure if you noticed but there is a preview link on the wiki edit page ;) 21:12 < normalperson> having a wiki is nice, I could make all sorts of mistakes in documentation and people will fix them for me :) 21:14 < courtc> haha.. :) 21:14 -!- mgla [~mgla@mgla.wikipedia] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 21:17 < normalperson> I nevr hav 2 tipe nething write agen! 21:18 < courtc> I never have to type anything correctly again! 21:18 < chungy> Engrish plz 21:18 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:19 < courtc> -> Never again will I need proper grammer or spelling! 21:20 < chungy> gammar* 21:20 < BleuLlama> grammar* 21:20 < chungy> gammar looks dumber 21:21 < courtc> -> I INSTLD LINUX On MY 4g HELP EM PLEEZ 21:21 < chungy> EM = THEM? :P 21:21 < courtc> no, ME 21:21 < chungy> no u 21:22 < courtc> and thats the nature of a wiki 21:22 < chungy> I had to see for myself what would happen to my 4G with the curren iPL on it, despite the fact that it doesn't work 21:23 < chungy> <_< too bad nothing spectular happened. Only a boring error screen 21:24 < courtc> we need a picture.. "This is what will happen when you try to install linux on your 4g, It will not magically work.." 21:25 < chungy> I'll do it if you want me to 21:26 < chungy> wait.. I think my digital camera is broken still, I'll check that too (no, I didn't put Linux on it. The lens doesn't retract) 21:27 -!- Jonas_NZ`` [~supybot@cpe-069-133-009-160.cinci.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:27 < BleuLlama> courtc: +"Try it on your own if you want to, but it won't be any different." 21:28 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["iPodLinux on 4G picture time."] 21:33 -!- il[lizard] [1000@81.86.72.20] has joined #ipodlinux 21:33 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-94-147.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:33 -!- il[lizard] is now known as dolph1n 21:36 -!- KuRcZ [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has quit ["http://www.imdesign.cjb.net/pchelp/"] 21:39 -!- Jonas_NZ`` [~supybot@cpe-069-133-009-160.cinci.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:40 < macPod> courtc too late :p 21:40 -!- dikae [~jb@pool-141-154-224-141.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:45 < BleuLlama> this whole itunesdb thing not building is pissing me off. think i might just write my own version of the library 21:45 < BleuLlama> it can't be that hard. it's just a data file. 21:46 < macPod> bleu there is a patch 21:46 < BleuLlama> where? 21:46 < macPod> wait.. didnt I give you my build env? 21:46 -!- Jonas_NZ`` [~supybot@cpe-069-133-009-160.cinci.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:46 < macPod> what's wrong with it? 21:46 < BleuLlama> did you? i don't remember and my laptop is OTL right now... 21:46 < courtc> haha.. but getting it to read and parse the itunesdb file in under 3 seconds on the ipod *is* hard 21:47 < BleuLlama> well, you don't need to load it all in... just skip around to get the info you need immediately, then parse in the rest... 21:47 < BleuLlama> it's jsut a standard blocked file. (like IFF or WAV or ... ) 21:48 < BleuLlama> screw it though. the library works. heh 21:50 < macPod> bleu 21:50 < macPod> http://filebox.vt.edu/users/nelsonjm/itunesdb.diff 21:50 < macPod> that is the diff 21:50 < macPod> for version 1.5.1 at least 21:50 < macPod> or whatever tar.gz package is up on the site 21:51 -!- Jonas_NZ`` [~supybot@cpe-069-133-009-160.cinci.rr.com] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."] 21:51 < macPod> gotta head out 21:54 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has joined #ipodlinux 21:55 < leachbj> night all... 21:56 < courtc> g'night.. 21:57 * leachbj is away: sleeping 22:03 * Thijs is also sleeping 22:04 < Thijs> goodnight leachbj,courtc,Luke,macPod,veteran,alexander,fre_ber,Hostile,nilss,phildev and ryanlrussel ! 22:04 < Luke> see ya 22:04 < Thijs> what a list :) 22:04 < Hostile> night 22:04 < Luke> hehe 22:04 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:04 < Jonas_NZ> Thijs, you missed me out 22:04 < Jonas_NZ> awwwww 22:05 < johnny007> :) 22:12 < mikegrb> GOODNIGHT THIJS 22:12 -!- Duckula [~overflow@pD9E69485.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:19 < BleuLlama> macPod: thanks 22:23 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 22:25 < chungy> Does anyone know what a battery icon with an exclaimation mark means on the iPod? 22:26 < Jonas_NZ> you have to charge it 22:26 < courtc> your battery is dead 22:26 < Jonas_NZ> your ipod is broke 22:26 < chungy> It's not doing anything plugged in 22:28 < BleuLlama> unmount it from your desktop, so that it's just charging (or just plug it in to the mains adapter) and force-reboot it 22:29 < chungy> How do I force-reboot it? 22:29 < BleuLlama> what rev is it? 22:29 < chungy> it's just a 4G 22:29 -!- Synapse- [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:29 < BleuLlama> hold the center button and menu until you see the apple logo 22:29 < chungy> I tried that, nothing 22:30 < BleuLlama> while it's plugged in, but not mounted? 22:30 < Jonas_NZ> just plug it into the charger and leave it for a couple of hours for a start 22:30 < BleuLlama> is hold on? 22:31 < chungy> no 22:31 < Jonas_NZ> my response to that question would be NO 22:31 < BleuLlama> if it does nothing after an overnight charge, call apple or bring it back to where you bought it from for replacement/repair 22:32 < chungy> meh. Might have to do that -_- 22:32 < chungy> the only thing I can think of as a cause is putting iPodLinux on it for that screenshot I uploaded... though it worked for a short time after restoring it 22:33 < Jonas_NZ> chungy on a 4g? wheres this screenie 22:33 < chungy> the 4g page 22:33 < chungy> the one without it booting >_> 22:33 < chungy> http://ipodlinux.org/Image:4g-ipodlinux.jpg 22:33 < Jonas_NZ> k 22:34 < BleuLlama> i thought that icon was from the hard disk getting scrogged. 22:34 < courtc> hah chungy.. I love it.. 22:34 < chungy> there's probably somewhere that has all the error icons 22:35 < BleuLlama> prolly in the flash rom somewhere 22:35 < macPod> chungy check the apple knowledge database 22:35 < macPod> er.. actually dont 22:35 < BleuLlama> oh yeah. heh. forgot about that. 22:35 < BleuLlama> oh. 22:35 < macPod> might run into copyright stuff 22:35 * BleuLlama goes back to forgetting about it 22:36 < Jonas_NZ> chungy there is, its on apples website 22:36 < Jonas_NZ> ill find it 22:37 < Jonas_NZ> btw has any1 updated their ipod to the new firmware? 22:38 < coob> what new firmware 22:38 < coob> the new updater just has firmware for the shuffle, there's no new firmware for the other ipods 22:38 -!- rsbeq-cam [~doom@pool-151-200-13-247.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:39 < Jonas_NZ> yeas there is 22:39 < rsbeq-cam> Hello 22:39 < Jonas_NZ> its updated usb 2 connectivity 22:39 < Jonas_NZ> hi 22:39 < Jonas_NZ> http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ipodupdater20050111.html 22:39 < coob> um that's old 22:39 < chungy> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60942 - That seems related to my problem 22:39 < coob> has the same firmware as 2004-08-11 22:40 < rsbeq-cam> Why do they add features only to the mini that they could obviously support on older models too? 22:40 < Jonas_NZ> hmm, 22:40 < Jonas_NZ> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93936 22:40 < macPod> cam did you do any more work with your image code? 22:41 < macPod> courtc is merging patches like a pirate 22:41 < rsbeq-cam> haha, no 22:41 < rsbeq-cam> but I came up with some ideas for other stuff ;) 22:41 < rsbeq-cam> flashcards. 22:41 < macPod> Are there any bugs left other than the lack of a zoom stopper? 22:41 < macPod> flashcards as a game? 22:41 < rsbeq-cam> realtime morse code decoder. 22:41 < BleuLlama> zoom stopper? 22:42 -!- dolph1n [1000@81.86.72.20] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:42 < rsbeq-cam> macpod, do you still remember the URL? all the problems are listed 22:42 < macPod> mm no 22:42 < macPod> mind sending another link? 22:42 < rsbeq-cam> Wouldn't the morse code thing be cool? 22:43 < rsbeq-cam> hook it up to a radio... 22:43 < macPod> I suppose, you can code it ;P 22:43 < BleuLlama> rsbeq: via the audio input? 22:43 < rsbeq-cam> Yeah 22:43 < rsbeq-cam> Hell, you could make wireless games with one of those iTrip FM transmitters and a radio 22:43 < rsbeq-cam> Hah 22:43 < BleuLlama> rsbeq: heh, add support to listen to the clicker output from another ipod, and decode it live (a la nilss' routine) and save out the info to a file on the drive... 22:44 < rsbeq-cam> But then you'd have to carry around that foam stuff :( 22:44 < BleuLlama> heh 22:44 < rsbeq-cam> macpod, see it? 22:44 < Jonas_NZ> rsbeq-cam, we need to mod the iTrip to work with the recording function as an FM reciever 22:44 < macPod> why moris code? 22:44 < rsbeq-cam> and where can i see courtc's changelog 22:44 < macPod> how about binary transfer :P 22:44 < Jonas_NZ> then you get multiplayer games 22:44 < rsbeq-cam> can it receive FM? 22:45 < rsbeq-cam> Why not just use a radio 22:45 < rsbeq-cam> macPod: Well, because sometimes on like shortwave you can pick up morsecode 22:45 < Jonas_NZ> hmm 22:45 < BleuLlama> rsbeq: if you're going to do a morse decoder, you should do a morse sender too... click the center button to beep 22:45 < macPod> cam, if you want to code it... :) 22:45 < rsbeq-cam> Someday 22:45 < rsbeq-cam> I am much more interested in getting unicode working 22:45 < BleuLlama> it'd be fun to use the spinner to scratch the playing mp3, or adjust speed of playback. hehe. 22:45 < rsbeq-cam> I wonder if the font is stored in flash? 22:46 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has quit [Client Quit] 22:47 < rsbeq-cam> I wonder how it is that apparently flash is not supported yet nilss was able to read the bootloader out? 22:47 < courtc> rsbeq-cam - just use a unicode font.. should support it with UTF* or whotnot 22:47 < rsbeq-cam> But why use another one on disk when you could just read it out of flash? 22:47 < rsbeq-cam> unicode fonts are huge 22:48 < chungy> whee... my iPod just randomly came back o_O 22:48 < courtc> I doubt it is n flash though,,, :p 22:49 < chungy> i'm going to reboot into Wingdows to restore all my music now 22:49 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has quit ["bye"] 22:49 < Jonas_NZ> courtc: flux is the same as fluxbox right? 22:49 < rsbeq-cam> Well, the bootloader uses fonts.. 22:49 < rsbeq-cam> I mean, the diagnostic app 22:49 < rsbeq-cam> I was thinking, it might actually be a bad idea to use shared libraries and componentize 22:49 < courtc> i say flux you say fluxbox 22:50 < veteran> the window manager that barely exists 22:50 < Jonas_NZ> just the rpm is entitled fluxbox, and i wanted to check 22:51 < courtc> rsbeq-cam - of course its a bad idea... But its a good idea also, for different reasons 22:52 < rsbeq-cam> What makes it good? 22:53 < rsbeq-cam> It seems to me that it would be enough to just have people choose their components at build time 22:53 < BleuLlama> the diagnostic menu uses a different font than the gui. 22:53 < veteran> life must be nice as a noob. 22:53 < rsbeq-cam> Yup. 22:54 < courtc> but how many people are actually building it? 22:54 < rsbeq-cam> This is true 22:54 < courtc> and why have to rebuild every time a new app gets added 22:54 < rsbeq-cam> But, hey, you could have "bare" and "full-feature" binaries 22:55 < rsbeq-cam> I suppose; wouldn't it increase lag time having to wait for sub-apps to launch and stuff? 22:55 < rsbeq-cam> Then you'd also have to worry about IPC, I'd think 22:56 < courtc> haha.. yes, you would.. :) 22:56 < rsbeq-cam> macPod: Anything? 22:57 < courtc> thats why we want dynamic loading..:) 22:57 < macPod> hmm? 22:57 < macPod> I think we need to split podzilla up, and use a windows manager with shared memory to do this 22:57 < macPod> I think courtc agree :P 22:58 < rsbeq-cam> Oh, dynamic loading instead of so's? 22:58 < macPod> bbl 22:58 < macPod> umm, yea 22:58 < rsbeq-cam> That's better 22:58 < rsbeq-cam> Then again, the less you hardcode the slower it gets 22:58 < rsbeq-cam> Probably 22:59 < rsbeq-cam> (e.g. menu system) 22:59 < rsbeq-cam> but it's probably insignificant 22:59 < courtc> the menu would be parsed at startup .. no preformance loss otherwise 23:00 < rsbeq-cam> the slowest boot thing for me is all the ln -s and mknods 23:00 < rsbeq-cam> Whyyyyyy 23:01 < courtc> dunno.. the slowest thing should be the hdparm.. 23:01 < rsbeq-cam> Why do the symlinks need to be made each boot? 23:01 < courtc> are you using 2.4.24-ipod3-1? 23:01 < rsbeq-cam> Nope, I'm using 2 23:02 < rsbeq-cam> Point me to the changelog :) 23:02 < courtc> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=696 23:02 < rsbeq-cam> Thanks 23:03 -!- Synapse- [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 23:03 < rsbeq-cam> Wow, that's why my hold switch doesn't work 23:03 < rsbeq-cam> Thaaaanks 23:09 < fre_ber> Have to sleep... Good night. 23:09 < courtc> g'night 23:09 -!- CP_Jeff [~Jeff@24-25-208-245.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:09 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #iPodLinux [] 23:10 < CP_Jeff> Hi 23:10 -!- CP_Jeff [~Jeff@24-25-208-245.san.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:10 -!- CP_Jeff [~Jeff@24-25-208-245.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:10 < Jonas_NZ> hey 23:10 < courtc> CP_Jeff - hi 23:10 < CP_Jeff> =] 23:10 < CP_Jeff> Hi CourtC 23:10 < CP_Jeff> I remember your name from 2 days ago 23:11 < CP_Jeff> I was NOT the troll. :D 23:11 < CP_Jeff> =p 23:11 < veteran> that's nice to know jeff 23:11 < CP_Jeff> haha 23:12 < rsbeq-cam> later guys 23:12 -!- rsbeq-cam [~doom@pool-151-200-13-247.res.east.verizon.net] has quit ["out"] 23:12 < CP_Jeff> Did any of you help work on developing the code? 23:12 < courtc> _the_ code? 23:12 < CP_Jeff> code for 23:13 < CP_Jeff> like 23:13 < CP_Jeff> Develop Podzilla 23:13 < courtc> yes 23:13 < CP_Jeff> or whatever it is called, IpodLinux 23:13 -!- chungy [1000@c-24-17-43-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #iPodLinux 23:13 < CP_Jeff> You did 23:13 < CP_Jeff> ? 23:13 < chungy> almost 1GB over USB1.1 is not fun 23:13 < CP_Jeff> Meh, not that bad 23:13 < courtc> yes 23:14 < CP_Jeff> how long 23:14 < CP_Jeff> like 23:14 < CP_Jeff> 15 min? 23:14 < Jonas_NZ> chungy, try 11.2gb over usb 1 23:14 < chungy> yeah, about that 23:14 < Jonas_NZ> just over 9 hours 23:14 < chungy> I should buy a USB2 card 23:14 < CP_Jeff> i transfered a whole uncompressed movie over 1.1 once 23:14 < CP_Jeff> The day before a school project 23:14 < CP_Jeff> it was bad 23:15 < CP_Jeff> So if I am correct, firewire is supported by the Podzilla but not USB? 23:15 < CP_Jeff> Currently 23:16 < courtc> podzilla has nothing to do with either 23:16 < CP_Jeff> Hmm 23:16 < CP_Jeff> maybe im thinking of something else 23:17 < CP_Jeff> Is firewire "better" than USB2.0? 23:17 < CP_Jeff> :D 23:17 < CP_Jeff> Like faster or easier to program and manipulate with 23:17 < CP_Jeff> Nevermind. 23:18 < chungy> I think USB2 is faster than Firewire by a little bit 23:18 < chungy> But USB1.1 is sloooooooooooow 23:18 < CP_Jeff> yeah 23:18 < CP_Jeff> true 23:18 < CP_Jeff> I heard supposedly firewire is faster even though USB2.0 runs at like 480mbps 23:19 < CP_Jeff> because of the way it is designed 23:19 < veteran> yep, a firewire connection running at 400mbps goes almost 2 times as fast as a USB2.0 connection running at 480mbps 23:19 < CP_Jeff> wierd 23:19 < chungy> Why is that? 23:20 < veteran> because i'm being sarcastic. 23:20 < CP_Jeff> hahahaha 23:20 < CP_Jeff> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Image:Nilssbox.jpg 23:20 < CP_Jeff> Can anyone explain to me this? 23:20 < veteran> haha! that's the question of the month 23:20 < CP_Jeff> haha 23:20 < CP_Jeff> What is that black thing 23:20 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit ["—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515"] 23:21 < Jonas_NZ> yeah, nills went crazy and built himself a white padded room or box in this case 23:22 < CP_Jeff> But what is it doing 23:22 < CP_Jeff> =] 23:22 < CP_Jeff> I see a black thing 23:22 < CP_Jeff> on the screen 23:22 < CP_Jeff> Stuff 23:22 < Jonas_NZ> dumping the flash using the pezio a mic and an ogg -> binary converter 23:22 < CP_Jeff> Crazy 23:23 < CP_Jeff> How is he getting the ipod to spew out the binary 23:23 < CP_Jeff> Controlling it with the computer? 23:23 < CP_Jeff> I suppose.. 23:24 < courtc> no.. he replaces the bootloader with some custom brewed code.. 23:24 < CP_Jeff> o 23:24 * courtc is away: not here; gone; 23:24 < CP_Jeff> k 23:25 < CP_Jeff> Insteresting, the padding seems really over the top/unneccisary :D 23:25 < Jonas_NZ> and at first we thought we were gonna need distributed cmputing to convert the ogg to binary 23:25 < Jonas_NZ> it wanted 2GB of ram for doing 1.2kb 23:26 < Jonas_NZ> CP_Jeff, its to stop background noise 23:26 < CP_Jeff> oh ok thx 23:26 < Jonas_NZ> as he was recording it with a mic 23:26 < CP_Jeff> Wow 23:26 < CP_Jeff> Thats like trying to break MD5 or something 23:26 < CP_Jeff> haha 23:27 < CP_Jeff> 1.2kb 23:27 < CP_Jeff> Have we passed that step yet 23:27 < Jonas_NZ> yeah but i the end he ported his perl script to c and it only used a couple of hundred megs of ram 23:27 < CP_Jeff> o 23:27 < Jonas_NZ> yeah 23:28 < CP_Jeff> Insterting, thats pure genious 23:28 < Jonas_NZ> http://jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/asm 23:28 < CP_Jeff> I dont think it is loading 23:28 < CP_Jeff> nbm 23:28 < CP_Jeff> nvm 23:29 < CP_Jeff> So thats assembly but 23:29 < CP_Jeff> What part of the ipod is that 23:29 < Jonas_NZ> yeah 23:29 < CP_Jeff> everything? 23:29 < CP_Jeff> =/ 23:29 < Jonas_NZ> the flash 23:29 < CP_Jeff> hm 23:29 < Jonas_NZ> the boot up part 23:29 < CP_Jeff> ohh 23:29 < CP_Jeff> yeah 23:30 < CP_Jeff> my friend knows asm 23:30 < CP_Jeff> its wierd 23:30 < CP_Jeff> I haven't been able to understand it 23:31 < Jonas_NZ> i cant either, well sorta but not really 23:31 < CP_Jeff> I thought there were some strings at the top or bottom or something 23:31 < CP_Jeff> all i know 23:31 < CP_Jeff> is 23:31 < CP_Jeff> ret 0 23:31 < CP_Jeff> or someting 23:35 -!- snooo [~chatzilla@82-36-65-161.cable.ubr01.harb.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 23:41 < snooo> was that 4g image a problem with the apple software or something generated by linux? 23:43 -!- fessiers_ [~dave@adsl-216-103-47-182.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:43 < CP_Jeff> Apple uses a different chip on the older genreations. Its on the website. 23:43 < fessiers_> any sign of nilss? 23:44 < CP_Jeff> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Image:Nilssbox.jpg 23:44 < CP_Jeff> :) 23:44 < Jonas_NZ> nilss, is in bed this time of the day i think 23:44 < fessiers_> Germany, right? 23:44 < fessiers_> CP_Jeff - this cracks me up 23:45 < Jonas_NZ> yeah 23:47 < CP_Jeff> Fessiers how to i PM 23:47 < CP_Jeff> =] 23:48 < CP_Jeff> Whatever. 23:48 < CP_Jeff> =]. 23:48 < CP_Jeff> im out 23:48 < CP_Jeff> /idle 23:50 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux --- Log closed Thu Jan 13 00:00:00 2005