--- Log opened Mon Jan 10 00:00:02 2005 00:01 < coob> only on weekends. 00:02 < snooo> muh 00:05 < bogeyman> is it safe to change graphics and font on a 4g ipod with ipod wizard? 00:05 < coob> why dont you ask the developers? 00:05 < macpod> if it messes with the flash no. 00:05 < macpod> coob has a good point 00:05 < macpod> they should tell you of the errors 00:06 < bogeyman> i think ill just wait for linux 00:08 < bogeyman> have you guys ever heard of an ipod dying from linux? 00:08 < coob> only unless you have nfc about what're doing. 00:09 < bogeyman> nfc? lol 00:09 < coob> no fucking clue. 00:09 < bogeyman> ah 00:10 -!- JonesH [~chatzilla@h60n1fls31o1118.telia.com] has joined #ipodlinux 00:13 < macpod> what is the point of the rsb arm instruction? why not just flip the registers around when programming? 00:16 -!- KuRcZ [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has quit ["http://www.imdesign.cjb.net/pchelp/"] 00:24 -!- davidc__ [~d@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:24 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 00:29 < Wammy> anyone familiar with gcc and os x? 00:29 < phildev> yes 00:29 < BleuLlama> yep 00:29 < Wammy> im having a problem 00:29 < Wammy> all my includes (like stdlib.h) arnt there..... 00:29 < BleuLlama> did you install the developer tools?> 00:30 < Wammy> not entirely 00:30 < Wammy> lol 00:30 < BleuLlama> duh 00:30 < Wammy> oh bah ok 00:30 < Wammy> i have 'December 2002 Dev Tools' 00:30 < Wammy> that it? 00:31 < phildev> Xcode 1.5 is the last 00:31 < Wammy> but that needs like 1.2GB of space 00:31 < Wammy> i only got 1.9 available 00:31 < BleuLlama> you're SOL then 00:31 < Wammy> SOL? 00:31 < BleuLlama> Shit out of luck 00:32 < phildev> Ha, just buy a little new disk 00:32 < Wammy> laptop 00:32 < phildev> Or install Xcode on your iPOD 00:32 < BleuLlama> sidente: I've noticed that OS X gets unhappy with > 500mb free, and VERY Unhappy with >200mb free (on your boot disk). less than that, and apps start forgetting preferences, and other bad things happen 00:32 < Wammy> they are a bit expensive 00:33 < BleuLlama> i've got a 20 gig in my laptop, i always keep around 1 gig free 00:34 < Wammy> well this is the old ibook that came with a 6gb drive 00:34 < Wammy> i have to go through it and see wtf is taking up so much space 00:34 < phildev> Wammy could u put some big files elsewhere from your boot volume, your iTunes music library for instance 00:35 < Wammy> i dont have any music on it 00:35 < Wammy> for the same reason that i dont have any space 00:35 < Wammy> all my music is on this computer 00:35 < phildev> what's your boot partition size ? 00:35 < Wammy> 6gb 00:35 < phildev> ah ok, short indeed 00:35 -!- danalien is now known as princeofdarkness 00:35 < Wammy> well this is the old ibook that came with a 6gb drive 00:36 < Synapse-> owned. 00:36 -!- JonesH [~chatzilla@h60n1fls31o1118.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:36 < phildev> I think u can buy a new disk, install a fresh OS X on it and all the dev tools 00:37 < Wammy> true 00:37 < Synapse-> Though I have a 6G imac. 00:37 < Wammy> i dont have the money atm tho 00:37 < Synapse-> phildev: installing your own stuff is bad. 00:37 < phildev> ? 00:37 < Synapse-> Seriously, get an apple tech to do it, warranty or not. 00:37 < Wammy> Synapse-: the hard drive is right under the keyboard 00:37 < Wammy> i can do it myself 00:38 < phildev> ah, I'm not thinking of replacing his drive, but adding a new external one to boot on it 00:38 < Synapse-> Aaah. 00:38 < Synapse-> Then that's fine. 00:38 < BleuLlama> or just an external for user files. $40 gets you a firewire case, $80 gets you a 130 gig+ disk 00:38 < phildev> Yes 00:39 * BleuLlama looks up prices 00:39 < BleuLlama> $80 gets ou a 180 gig disk. dayem 00:39 < Synapse-> I'm gonna need to get me a big disk for my audio soon :\ 00:40 < phildev> He can seek for a 40 gig on ebay 00:40 < Wammy> should i install the Developer Documentation? its 657mb i could use. 00:40 < phildev> arround 15 dol 00:40 < phildev> No u can discard that 00:41 < phildev> I'd rather look at them on ADC site 00:42 < phildev> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/ 00:43 * Wammy bookmarks 00:43 < phildev> who is using the Zaurus cross compiler for ipod builds? 00:44 < phildev> http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Zaurus-X-gcc 00:47 < phildev> tomorrow will be another day, good night 00:52 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has quit ["I'm afraid I have to sleep now..."] 00:58 < bogeyman> wtf... i just made the account bogeyman for ipodlinux.org and i cant log on ... i go to forgot password i enter my email and name and it says emails wrong 00:58 -!- davidc__ [~d@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:04 -!- K-LO [~brunorace@adsl-2-33-121.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:04 < K-LO> Hmmm... 01:05 < K-LO> Anyone? 01:05 < coob> ? 01:05 < K-LO> ...so many people and no one discussing anything... 01:06 < coob> it's late. 01:06 < coob> in europe. 01:06 < coob> there is more than one timezone in the world. 01:06 < jintonic> but only one that matters 01:06 < jintonic> GMT -8 01:06 < jintonic> :) 01:06 < coob> who the hell uses GMT 01:06 < K-LO> :-/ that was a little harsh coob... 01:06 < coob> you mean UTC. 01:06 < K-LO> I know...but look at how many r here 01:07 < coob> half of them enevr talk anyway 01:07 < coob> one is a bot. 01:07 < courtc> i use GMT-5 dicktooth.. :p 01:07 < K-LO> lol ohh 01:07 < coob> one is a clone 01:07 < coob> you missed all the exciting sstuff with the 4g deving over the weekend 01:07 < coob> (check the irc logs/wiki) 01:08 < courtc> and soon.. the blog 01:08 < K-LO> damn... 01:08 < K-LO> so how soon? 01:08 < K-LO> I can't wait 01:08 < jintonic> yup, its usually active from about 3am to 7am my time zone (california) 01:08 < courtc> I bet you can.. :D 01:09 < K-LO> lol...im gonna hafta... 01:09 < K-LO> ha jintonic... im on the other side of the states 01:09 < jintonic> because davidc and nilss are talking about hacking the 4g at that time 01:09 < jintonic> they're the main guys hacking it 01:09 < K-LO> wow...that early? 01:09 < jintonic> they're not in the usa... 01:10 < K-LO> ahhh...that explains it 01:10 < jintonic> er... davidc is in canada i think 01:10 < jintonic> i think nilss is in germany 01:10 < K-LO> lol..big distance 01:10 < jintonic> actually, i think davidc is in brit columbia so he's in the same time zone as me 01:11 < K-LO> lol..well thats 12 for me then 01:11 < K-LO> ill check back later 01:11 < courtc> yep hes gmt-8 01:12 < jintonic> he is an entire time zone? 01:12 < K-LO> :-) 01:12 < courtc> of course 01:13 < jintonic> jeez, no wonder he's so good with computers, if he rolled over he'd probably kill at least 100k people 01:13 < K-LO> do u guys hav a 4g ipod? 01:14 < jintonic> i have ipod mini 01:14 < K-LO> ahh...i love those things...my friend has one 01:14 < jintonic> most people have 4g full 01:14 < K-LO> i meant 4th gen 01:16 < K-LO> has anyone tried defragging the ipod harddrive? 01:16 < jintonic> well, the mini, 20gB and photo are all 4th generation ipods 01:16 < jintonic> whats the point? 01:16 < K-LO> to get more space 01:16 < K-LO> if any... 01:16 < jintonic> minimal 01:17 < K-LO> ya...i realized that after i did it 01:17 < bogeyman> i want linux on my 4g right now :< 01:17 < K-LO> me 2 01:17 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:18 < bogeyman> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5741913504&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT 01:18 < jintonic> me too, i'd work on the voice recording, thats my main reason for wanting linux on my ipod 01:18 < courtc> actually apple considers the photo to be a 5th gen.. 01:18 < bogeyman> is that an easy fix? 01:18 < K-LO> ya....I think I would to coutc 01:19 < courtc> bogeyman, sounds like a dummy selling a perfectly fine ipod.. 01:19 < jintonic> :-/ yeah, i guess photo does differentiate enough to be a different generation 01:20 < bogeyman> really 01:20 < bogeyman> think i should buy it? 01:21 < bogeyman> i have a 4g u2 ipod..... 01:21 < courtc> its up to you bogeyman... 01:22 < K-LO> i dont like the u2 personally 01:22 < bogeyman> how exactly would i fix it... just reformat it right?> 01:22 < jintonic> i wouldn't, because if its irrepairable (within just means) then you're out $100 for a brick 01:22 < jintonic> possibly 01:22 < jintonic> for $50 i'd probably chance it 01:22 < bogeyman> ya. 01:23 < bogeyman> i hate how those people just bid after bid to get the price up 01:23 < bogeyman> or is it the automatic bid thing 01:24 < K-LO> sniper or proxy bidding 01:25 < K-LO> it could be either 01:25 -!- davidc__ [~d@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:25 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 01:25 < K-LO> is this the hacker dude? 01:25 < K-LO> jintonic? 01:26 < BleuLlama> bogey: that's called "shilling". 01:26 < BleuLlama> you get some of your friends (or jhave extra accounts) to bid on the item to raise its price 01:26 < bogeyman> ya 01:26 < BleuLlama> it's a really crap thing to do 01:27 < bogeyman> ya 01:27 < bogeyman> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5742511997&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT 01:27 < bogeyman> this one look good? 01:29 < K-LO> ahh... 01:29 < K-LO> never tested? 01:31 -!- K-LO [~brunorace@adsl-2-33-121.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 01:32 < snooo> ugh 01:32 < snooo> the u2 is quite nice to look at one the front 01:33 < snooo> but the writing on the back sucks 01:33 < bogeyman> lol 01:34 < BleuLlama> they should have done a dark titanium back, or an andoized aluminum back; keep it all black.. 01:35 < BleuLlama> and now, they should offer various colors. The black with the red looks like a black cat walking away from you. 01:35 < BleuLlama> it should have been all black 01:35 < snooo> i dunno 01:35 < snooo> i like the whiteness 01:35 < snooo> the mini struck me as a little garish 01:36 < snooo> i wish my 4g would hurry up and turn up tho 01:36 -!- strestout1 [~strestout@nc-69-69-53-85.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"] 01:37 < bogeyman> http://ipods4less.com/ 01:37 < bogeyman> wow that 10gb ipod only is cheap 01:39 < snooo> $169.... ooh thats almost £90 01:40 < snooo> bargain 01:42 < snooo> with the dollar as it is, i'm tempted to get accessories on that site 01:49 -!- djfire [~fire@653231hfc222.tampabay.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 01:49 < djfire> muhahaha... imm backkk! 01:50 < Ciaran> I need to go now. 01:50 < Ciaran> See ya. 01:50 -!- Ciaran [~mirc@host217-44-249-2.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 01:54 -!- snooo [~chatzilla@82-36-65-161.cable.ubr01.harb.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"] 01:57 < djfire> time to learn c :-D 02:00 < jintonic> c < c++ 02:00 < jintonic> 1 less, actually :) 02:01 < courtc> c=(c++)-- 02:01 < jintonic> yeah, but that just kills readability and it useless 02:02 < jintonic> :) 02:02 < courtc> but then again c+=c++ 02:03 < jintonic> heh 02:04 < davidc__> yay! found the images in nilss boot data and the functions that draw them 02:04 < davidc__> and the image records 02:04 < jintonic> more efficient than c = c + c + 1 but more complicated to decipher 02:04 < davidc__> I might actually have some 4g lcd test code soon! 02:05 < jintonic> nice! 02:05 < courtc> gj davidc__ .. 02:07 < davidc__> 4g ppl, 02:07 < davidc__> on boot, after putting a new apple version on 02:07 < davidc__> and its updating the flash 02:07 < courtc> unite! 02:07 < davidc__> it shows a little icon of a power plug going into the wall right? 02:08 < davidc__> and a progress bar beneath that? 02:08 < jintonic> i think so 02:09 < jintonic> oh! for the people who write the 4g gui: make sure its scalable to the ipod mini 02:10 < courtc> jintonic, thats your job, mr order the devs around 02:10 < djfire> lol 02:10 < jintonic> its a feature request... 02:11 < djfire> isent the gui universal for the gens?... 02:11 < courtc> so far.. 02:12 < jintonic> but mini has a mini screen 02:12 < djfire> so technically he would never be awnsered cause no ones working on the "4g gui" 02:13 < jintonic> well it'd be kinda silly to neglect everyone who has an ipod mini 02:14 < courtc> suprisingly enough, the gui is already fairly scalable.. and the microwindows source that podzilla is based on already accounts for the ipod minis screen size 02:14 < jintonic> assuming that the ipod mini uses less pixels... i dunno, seems like it woudl tho 02:14 < jintonic> cool 02:14 < jintonic> theoretically? 02:14 < djfire> yea. havet got minis working to test it out on ;) 02:15 < jintonic> yeah 02:16 < djfire> anyways... back to coding a useless program that counts characters i type... :*( well everyones gotta start somewhere 02:16 < jintonic> but if someone writes an app for ipodlinux that uses static gui dimensions then it wouldn't be scalable i figure 02:16 < djfire> probably not 02:17 < jintonic> yeah, don't worry about reinventing the wheel, that's the best way to learn why it works 02:17 < jintonic> what kinda coding have you done in the past? 02:17 < djfire> once i get the c down ill use it to create a programing lang that uses ebonic ;) 02:17 < jintonic> haha 02:18 < jintonic> putyoshitonthascreen "yo werld!";) 02:18 < djfire> instead of for(... it will be fo(... 02:18 < Wammy> Luke: do you know C ? 02:19 < djfire> i got into the bad habit of learning visual basic ;) 02:19 < djfire> so i trashed my windows and installed linux 02:19 < Wammy> djfire: ive trashed windows many times 02:19 < Wammy> and yet still here i am :/ 02:19 < jintonic> yeah, me too, but its a good tool for making little stuff quick and easy 02:20 < djfire> last time i reinstalled windows... 02:20 < djfire> 12/21 02:20 < djfire> 04 02:20 < Wammy> Operating System: (WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)) ¤ Installed: (XP was installed 1wk 6days 22hrs 28mins 8secs) ¤ Uptime: (2d 3h 52m 38s) 02:20 < Wammy> i win! 02:20 < djfire> lol 02:20 * BleuLlama yawns 02:20 < djfire> do we bore you? 02:21 * davidc__ reads up... jintonic was ordering the devs around? 02:21 < djfire> lol 02:21 < davidc__> cue ominous music. 02:21 < jintonic> i want ipodlinux's gui to be able to work on ipod mini 02:21 < bogeyman> Operating System: (WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)) ¤ Installed: (XP was installed 0wk 0days 2hrs 46mins 54secs) ¤ Uptime: (2d 3h 52m 38s) 02:21 < jintonic> feature request == ordering around the devs 02:21 < djfire> so.. did you guys succed in the buzdump? 02:22 < Wammy> lol thats such a fake 02:22 < bogeyman> lol 02:23 < djfire> i offered to open my pod and soilder my mic to the board.. but no one awnserd me.. lol 02:23 < djfire> would have benn almost 100% better than putting a mic on the top of it 02:23 < davidc__> well, it suceeded, thats what mattered. 02:23 < davidc__> Wammy: Fake? 02:23 < bogeyman> ETA on linux for 4g? 02:24 < djfire> NO 02:24 < djfire> never ask and dev for an ETA 02:24 < djfire> a* 02:24 < davidc__> HAHHAHAHA! I JUST PUSHED IT BACK 4 years! HAHHAHA 02:24 < djfire> cause they are never sure ;) 02:24 < jintonic> an was right 02:24 < bogeyman> lol 02:24 < jintonic> woops, wrong part 02:25 < davidc__> bogeyman: we made some big breakthroughs in the last 2 days, but don't expect anything soon 02:25 < bogeyman> k 02:25 < davidc__> and by soon I mean within the next century 02:25 < bogeyman> lol 02:26 < bogeyman> i want to buy a 3g 02:26 < bogeyman> so i can get it now 02:26 < jintonic> corrections are generally useless, pretty much everyone can figure out what you're saying even if you say : yew aer getng pridy smellie 02:26 < bogeyman> garr this is pissing me off.. i made the account bogeyman on your website and i cant get on it 02:28 < courtc> not that I can fix anything but: on the wiki or the forums? 02:28 < bogeyman> nvm i got it 02:29 < bogeyman> umm it was on the ipodlinux.org forums 02:38 < djfire> davidc__: think you can make me something with the 4g lcd test code that displays the penguin ;) 02:41 < jintonic> isn't the boot-up penguin rendered from a jpeg? 02:41 < bogeyman> i <3 the penguin 02:42 < bogeyman> {__ {_______ 02:42 < bogeyman> {__ {__ {__ {__ {__ {_ 02:43 < jintonic> that's... emm... yeah... that's just great :) 02:43 < bogeyman> ty 02:44 < bogeyman> i want a 3g :< 02:44 < jintonic> is that supposed to be a ascii art or something? 02:45 < bogeyman> i was gonna finish it but it wouldnt look good in mirc 02:46 < jintonic> its looking like : L L(long)
L L L L L L(short) 02:46 < jintonic> that's in xchat 02:49 < bogeyman> oh 03:02 -!- nonother| [john@nj-65-41-86-66.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:04 < bogeyman> hmm im thinking about using ipodwizard to change the name of my ipod on top and the boot up logo 03:04 -!- carote [~tobyisagi@CPE-144-133-196-220.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ipodlinux 03:05 < jintonic> do it then 03:11 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:11 < bogeyman> i dont want to mess up my ipod 03:12 < courtc> don't do it then 03:14 < bogeyman> bleh 03:14 < bogeyman> has anyone here done it? 03:18 < davidc__> fairly soon I'll need another 4g sacrificial victem 03:18 < davidc__> anyone gonna be around for the next hour with a 4g? 03:18 < bogeyman> me 03:18 < BleuLlama> i am 03:18 < bogeyman> wait... sacrificial victim 03:19 < bogeyman> does that mean your going to kill it? 03:19 < courtc> the first one didnt give you enough life davidc__? 03:19 < davidc__> nah, he seems to have gone 03:20 < davidc__> boogeyman: If you don't know how to back up your firmware using dd 03:20 < davidc__> and be prepared to restore, 03:20 < davidc__> you're not my kind of victem :) 03:20 < jintonic> davidc: my ipod mini would be ok to victimize after i make an image of it 03:20 < davidc__> need a 4g 03:20 < Hostile> heh I would help ya but I have a 3g 03:21 < davidc__> this LCD test code will be written for the 4g 03:22 < davidc__> Cmon victims 03:22 < davidc__> be the first on your block to have scrambled random data written to your lcd 03:22 < bogeyman> i will if u tell me how to back it up 03:23 < bogeyman> bleullama might be a better pick though.. 03:23 < jintonic> so write it for the mini til you can find someone dumb enough to junk their 4g too :D 03:23 < davidc__> jintonic: I don't have a firmware dump of the mini 03:23 < davidc__> jintonic: I only got one for the 4g, so thats what I've been analyzing 03:24 < davidc__> oh, and you should be using a mac or linux box on it 03:24 < jintonic> linux 03:24 < Hostile> damn I'm a perfect canidate if I had a 4g 03:24 < Hostile> jintonic: distro? 03:24 < jintonic> ubuntu 03:24 < Hostile> wtf is that? 03:24 < jintonic> a kickass one 03:24 < davidc__> jintonic: well, you can try the code 03:24 < davidc__> jintonic: Might work 03:24 < jintonic> based off debian 03:24 < davidc__> jintonic: maybe. 03:25 < jintonic> ok 03:25 < Hostile> I use archlinux 03:25 < davidc__> jintonic: do you know how to patch this code into the fw? 03:26 < davidc__> gah.. I wish nills was around 03:26 < davidc__> he has exactly what I need 03:26 < jintonic> nope 03:26 < Hostile> jintonic: get a newer kernel! 03:26 < courtc> davidc__, ooh ooh put it on my 1g... ;) 03:27 < bogeyman> who wants to sell me a 3g for 50 to 100 $ :) 03:27 < davidc__> heh, no need. I'll put it on my 1g :) 03:27 < carote> i'd do it but i have windows and don't know if i could patch the code 03:29 < davidc__> carote: nah 03:29 < jintonic> my philosphy on kernels: if it ain't broke don't fix it 03:29 < davidc__> carote: thats why I need mac or linux 03:29 < davidc__> carote: though, thanks for the offer. 03:29 < courtc> jintonic, so you're usin a 2.0.x ? 03:29 < jintonic> nah, 2.6.x 03:31 < courtc> Its funny, every time a new kernel comes out I'll 'make oldconfig' and install it.. but I never reboot.. so if the power fails.. I get a new kernel :) 03:32 < veteran> wow... 03:32 < veteran> that was good enough for me to speak. 03:32 < courtc> hah 03:32 < jintonic> haha 03:33 < jintonic> courtc: uptime? 03:33 < courtc> 22:37:28 up 8 days, 15:33, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.15, 0.10 03:34 < jintonic> 19:33:58 up 15:16, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04 03:34 < normalperson> is volume control supposed to work in podzilla? if so, where is it? 03:36 < courtc> normalperson, it does if you have uclinux-2.4.24-ipod1-5 or later I think 03:36 < carote> has anyone tried to get the FDK for the PP5020? 03:36 < normalperson> courtc: 1-5? I have 2 from cvs... 03:36 < courtc> same thing 03:38 < courtc> /dev/mixer 03:41 < courtc> oh, you're asking about podzilla... 03:42 -!- macpod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:42 < courtc> mp3.c lines 159-183 372-375 03:43 < davidc__> carote: Yeah, I've tried to get info 03:43 < davidc__> carote: I don't even get a reply 03:43 < normalperson> ah ok, thanks 03:43 < davidc__> carote: bern was offered some info, but it all woulda been under nda. 03:44 -!- jintonic [~jintonic@c-24-4-19-128.client.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:44 < bogeyman> if i won the lottery id donate 1 billion dollars to this 03:45 < carote> davidc_: i might of figured out a way to patch the code with windows 03:45 < courtc> bogeyman, the hell you would.. you'd go out and buy a expensive ass car.. and completly forget about ipodlinux 03:46 < normalperson> I only hack on software because I can't get girls 03:46 < veteran> hahahah i come back at the best times 03:46 < courtc> hahaha.. 03:46 < carote> davidc_: i think it would be possible by replacing the resources in the updater 03:46 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:46 < courtc> normalperson, where did that come from? 03:47 < davidc__> carote: yeah, thats possible, but not advised 03:47 < davidc__> the resources in the updater contain instructions to update the flash 03:47 < davidc__> the os ripped from the ipod does not 03:48 < normalperson> courtc: well, if I had a billion dollars, I'd probably have girls :) 03:48 < davidc__> and we avoid touching anything flash. 03:48 < davidc__> I get girls, its just that ipodlinux is far more interesting then the vast variety of them. 03:48 < veteran> was nilss' 8 hour piezo session successful? 03:48 < davidc__> veteran: yeah 03:48 < davidc__> we got a dump 03:49 < davidc__> I think I've reverse engineered enough to do lcd stuff on the 4g 03:49 < davidc__> I just need a 4g victim though 03:49 < courtc> haha davidc__, very true.. 03:49 < veteran> can i have an mp3 of the beeping? 03:49 < veteran> (for sentimental reasons) 03:49 < davidc__> ask nills 03:49 < davidc__> he did the final decode 03:49 < carote> well i did separate the os from the flash stuff with the python code but i don't know how to put it back together again 03:52 < carote> i also do have a linux computer but i don't have the ipod setup on it yet 03:52 < carote> it looks pretty easy though 03:53 < davidc__> carote: I suggest getting it working on the linux comp 03:53 < davidc__> then you can be my test subject 03:55 < carote> yeah i'm about to do it now 03:56 < nilss> re. 03:57 < courtc> heh, hey nilss 04:01 < nilss> davidc__? 04:01 < nilss> i have now about 1.5h before i have to go to school ;) 04:01 < nilss> and after reading the backlog i think i'll boot up my laptop ;) 04:03 < nilss> mkay, it's up ;) 04:04 < nilss> ping? 04:06 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:06 < bogeyman> yo homies 04:06 < courtc> whats up dog? 04:06 < bogeyman> nein fool 04:15 < davidc__> nilss: yay 04:16 < davidc__> ok 04:16 < davidc__> want to test some lcd stuff for me? 04:16 < nilss> yea 04:16 < davidc__> ok 04:16 < davidc__> I gotta write the code 04:16 < davidc__> gimme 15 mins 04:19 -!- mch [~mch@h-68-165-204-114.chcgilgm.covad.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 04:20 < davidc__> nilss: how did you compile that beeper code? 04:21 < nilss> hmm used the tar from leachbj and only changed the mymain.c 04:21 < davidc__> could you send the tar to me? 04:21 < davidc__> I don't have it 04:22 < nilss> dcc? 04:22 < davidc__> nah 04:22 < davidc__> post on your website 04:23 < nilss> http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/nilss_dump.tgz 04:25 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:27 -!- systemicfailure [~chatzilla@c-67-166-167-125.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:29 < bogeyman> im getting new skins for windows 04:29 < bogeyman> its odd 04:29 < veteran> sinner 04:29 < carote> you don't mind if i get the tar too 04:30 < nilss> if i would i would have pasted the url in another channel ;) 04:38 -!- veteran_BAH [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:38 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:38 -!- veteran_BAH is now known as veteran 04:39 < nilss> veteran: you wanted an mp3 of the beeping, right? 04:39 < courtc> I think perhaps he was being sarcastic.. 04:39 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["*** Swish changes topic to '"I never pirated it....it was donated. by the file fairy. I put a blank CD under my pillow..."'] 04:40 < nilss> hmm anyway i'll make one ;) 04:40 < veteran> yes i did 04:40 < veteran> and was not being sarcastic 04:41 < courtc> oh... hard to tell sometimes 04:42 * Wammy likes that quit message 04:42 < veteran> i usually conform to sarcasm standards... 04:42 < veteran> proper use of the tag 04:42 < courtc> :D 04:45 < davidc__> nilss: got a present for you :) 04:46 < davidc__> let me upload it 04:46 < davidc__> it will lock up at the end, after writing a bunch of garbage to the screen. 04:46 < davidc__> but. something should look different 04:47 < nilss> veteran: http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/beeping.mp3 04:47 < veteran> nilss, anything you need... ever.... let me know. 04:47 < veteran> haha 04:47 < davidc__> http://david.carne.ca/ipodlinux/lcd_test.bin 04:48 < davidc__> veteran: hey! I helped [a tiny bit] too! don't I get indentured subservience? 04:48 < courtc> haha 04:48 * veteran makes fake crackling noises 04:48 < veteran> i can't hear you, you're breaking up... 04:49 * bogeyman slaps veteran around a bit with a large trout 04:49 < davidc__> nilss: did it work? 04:49 < davidc__> nilss: did it? did it? 04:50 < nilss> http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/ipod4glcd.jpg 04:51 < davidc__> WOHOOO! 04:51 < davidc__> thats exactly what it is supposed to do! 04:51 < davidc__> write garbled data 04:51 < courtc> haha 04:51 < davidc__> at an unspecified location! 04:51 < davidc__> but that means I have the basic lcd reg 04:51 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has quit [] 04:51 < davidc__> mapped out 04:51 < davidc__> I can't tell 04:51 < davidc__> but is the garbled data slightly in the form of a pattern? 04:51 < nilss> yea 04:52 < nilss> like 4 pixels in height, than 2black, 1white, 1b, 1w, 2b, 1w, 1b, ... 04:52 < nilss> then* 04:53 < davidc__> yea.. that looks sort of right 04:54 < davidc__> I just went for the buckshot approach that time. 04:54 < davidc__> hopefully this should be a bit better 04:55 < davidc__> actualy, this one won't be 04:55 < davidc__> I 04:55 < davidc__> I still gotta decode the offset commands 04:56 < davidc__> nilss: grab the new one and post a screenshot if you don't midn 04:56 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 04:56 < davidc__> this is exciting :) 04:56 * davidc__ goes to logon to wiki and make change 04:57 < courtc> even for a bystander 04:57 < nilss> looks almost the same 04:57 < veteran> i'm on the edge of my seat... 04:57 < veteran> actually i'm sitting on the floor which makes that quite difficult 04:57 < courtc> hah 04:58 < nilss> except it's starting in the middle of the screen and +3pixel from the top of the apple 04:58 < nilss> and it's from right to left 04:58 < davidc__> right to left? 04:58 < nilss> yea 04:59 < davidc__> the patter runs backwards? 04:59 < davidc__> was it always right to left? 04:59 < bogeyman> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=67836&item=5742656088&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW 04:59 < nilss> it starts in the middle, goes to the left and wraps around the screen on pixel lower 04:59 < davidc__> did the first one do that? 04:59 < bogeyman> do u guys think that ipod can be fixed by reformating it? 04:59 < davidc__> the right-to-left part? 04:59 < davidc__> or did it take the whole screen? 04:59 < nilss> took the whole screen 05:02 < nilss> http://rafb.net/paste/results/7l2aTq29.html 05:03 < veteran> bogeyman nope that one looks deaded 05:03 < davidc__> ok, got one more test for you 05:03 < nilss> same url? 05:03 < davidc__> then I think I can do arbitrary graphics 05:04 < davidc__> just a sec 05:04 < davidc__> yeah 05:04 < davidc__> go ahead 05:05 < davidc__> I promise to give you all the info once I've got something working more than garble 05:05 < davidc__> nilss: This should just move once more. 05:05 < davidc__> nilss: Same pattern, [possibly slightly] different location 05:05 < nilss> http://rafb.net/paste/results/reMYbE57.html 05:06 < nilss> still starts at 1/3.5 of the screen vertically 05:06 < davidc__> ah 05:07 < davidc__> ok 05:07 < davidc__> hmm 05:07 < davidc__> not _quite what I expected 05:07 < davidc__> might be slightly different 05:08 < davidc__> ok 05:08 < davidc__> try now 05:08 < davidc__> should be at top of the screen 05:08 < nilss> it's at the bottom 05:09 < bogeyman> veteran: you really think so.. cuz its boots up and everything... but then it just has that folder and ! 05:09 < nilss> 1 pixel height 05:09 < veteran> bogeyman - if it stopped working after a freeze, that's a baaaad sign. 05:09 < davidc__> nilss: its only 1 pixel high?! 05:10 < davidc__> hrm. 05:10 < nilss> yea 05:10 < nilss> and like ~60pixels from the right 05:11 < nilss> mhm mostlikely less 05:11 < davidc__> huh? 05:11 < davidc__> its 60 pixels from the right? 05:11 < davidc__> damn. 05:11 < davidc__> it should start at 0,0 05:11 < davidc__> sigh 05:12 < davidc__> well, 0,0 on the right 05:12 < nilss> coud you paste the code somewhere? 05:12 < davidc__> sure :) 05:12 < davidc__> its rather lengthy 05:12 < davidc__> will put on website 05:12 < veteran> diff lcd controller? 05:13 < nilss> k, only the mymain.c should be enough 05:13 < davidc__> yeah 05:13 < davidc__> I only modified the makefile 05:13 < davidc__> but thats easy enough 05:13 -!- Synapse- is now known as ElPresidente 05:15 < bogeyman> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=67838&item=5743209833&rd=1 05:15 < bogeyman> think that one would be fixed? 05:16 < BleuLlama> prolly needs a new drive 05:16 < davidc__> david.carne.ca/ipodlinux/lcd_test.c 05:16 -!- Kilian [~chatzilla@ANancy-152-1-22-84.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 05:16 < davidc__> er 05:16 < davidc__> lcd_demo.c 05:16 < davidc__> enjoy. Its commented. sorta. 05:16 < nilss> 403? 05:16 < davidc__> crap 05:16 < davidc__> 1 sec 05:16 < davidc__> ok 05:16 < davidc__> go ahead 05:17 < davidc__> I'm gonna go take a peek at serial stuff 05:17 < bogeyman> dammit i want to find a 3g on ebay with that problem that you could easily fix 05:18 < davidc__> nilss: Simple eg? 05:18 < davidc__> er, eh 05:19 < nilss> yea 05:19 < davidc__> I can't wait till bern gets here. He'll be excited 05:20 < davidc__> I'm gonna go reverse engineer serial code now 05:20 < davidc__> actually, this lcd seems to behave a lot like the first gen one 05:21 < nilss> hu? now i got a solid line that wraps from bottom to top? 05:21 < davidc__> hmm? 05:21 < davidc__> ah 05:21 < davidc__> I changed the pattern code before sending it off 05:21 < davidc__> its now set to solid black 05:21 < davidc__> perhaps it was wrapping from bottom to top before. 05:23 < nilss> im getting closer :) 05:23 < nilss> this positioning stuff is confusing ;) 05:23 < nilss> but i got 4 pixels at 0,0 (top left) 05:25 < nilss> got it 05:25 < nilss> 3rd value 0x14 is top left 05:25 < nilss> 0x13 is 4 pixels to the right 05:25 < davidc__> ok, nilss try something for me: 05:25 < davidc__> outl(inl(lcd_base) | 0x02, lcd_base) 05:26 < davidc__> that should turn on the backlight 05:26 < nilss> 0x12 is 8 pixels to the right 05:27 < nilss> doesnt work 05:27 -!- Kilian [~chatzilla@ANancy-152-1-22-84.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041108]"] 05:27 < davidc__> nilss: wasn't sure if it would 05:27 < davidc__> nilss: It was a test from the previous firmware 05:30 < nilss> i think i got it 05:30 < davidc__> nilss: hmm, the code I wrote is practically identical to the current kernel code 05:30 < davidc__> they must be using the same chip 05:30 < davidc__> nilss: Care to beep something out? 05:30 < nilss> 2nd argument controls y from top to bottom 05:31 < nilss> 3rd is from right to left in 4 pixel steps 05:32 < nilss> 2nd argument is also in 4 line steps 05:32 < nilss> so i'd think there's another reg 05:32 -!- ElPresidente is now known as Synapse- 05:33 < davidc__> the right to left in 4 pixel steps is about right 05:33 < davidc__> as that is the minimum blit of data you can write to the controller. 05:33 < nilss> yea but top to bottom, too? 05:33 < davidc__> I don't know 05:33 < davidc__> it may be 05:33 < davidc__> these lcd's are typically funky :0 05:35 < davidc__> nilss 05:35 < davidc__> care to run: 05:36 < davidc__> err. 05:36 < davidc__> text goes to #ipodflood 05:36 < davidc__> jas 05:36 < nilss> k 05:36 < davidc__> care to run that code and beep out the result? 05:36 < davidc__> it should detect if the lcd controller chip is the same as on the 1st/2nd/3rd gen 05:38 < veteran> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g_PCB_Images 05:39 < davidc__> naw 05:39 < veteran> haha beeping is better 05:39 < davidc__> can't see it on there 05:39 < veteran> than reading blurry chips 05:39 < davidc__> the chip isn't labeld 05:39 < davidc__> its on a flexstrip to the lcd 05:39 < davidc__> you can't see it :) 05:39 < davidc__> so, we beep its id 05:40 < davidc__> nilss: any luck? 05:41 < nilss> seems to hang 05:41 < davidc__> hangs? 05:41 < davidc__> :9 05:42 < davidc__> err, :( 05:42 < nilss> anyways, have to go to school now ;) 05:42 < davidc__> ok 05:42 < davidc__> I'll stay up for a bit 05:42 < davidc__> wait for bern, so I can give him my disassembly db 05:42 < davidc__> so he doesn't have to start from scratch 05:44 < nilss> bye. 06:07 -!- waltsdog [~waltsdog9@c-67-162-65-252.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:07 < waltsdog> does anyone know the status of the progress for the 4g ipods? 06:11 * courtc coughs(title) 06:13 < BleuLlama> title 06:13 < BleuLlama> oops 06:13 < BleuLlama> wrong window 06:24 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:25 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:25 -!- nonother| [john@nj-65-41-86-66.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:28 -!- waltsdog [~waltsdog9@c-67-162-65-252.client.comcast.net] has quit [] 06:33 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.60] has joined #ipodlinux 06:34 < EvilDude> hey anyone here? 06:35 < courtc> yep 06:36 < EvilDude> you never leave the computer do you courtc 06:36 < veteran> actually courtc is a staff of 20 people 06:36 < courtc> haha veteran figured us out.. 06:37 < EvilDude> lol wouldnt be too surprised 06:38 < EvilDude> courtc, i read you're testing the multiple podzilla thing, is it getting into cvs? 06:38 < courtc> EvilDude, i have no connection to my ipod :( 06:38 < EvilDude> ah thats the problem im facing at the moment too :( 06:39 < davidc__> courtc: [what happened?] 06:40 < courtc> my mobo died on me the week before christmas.. its enroute to the asus rma place.. 06:40 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:41 < EvilDude> hmm interesting, would this work for the iPod: http://www.ucdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/25/1126257&mode=thread 06:41 * davidc__ waits for bern 06:42 < macPod> evildude it involves altering the cross compiler 06:42 < macPod> and those instructions were only tested for m68k 06:42 < EvilDude> damn 06:43 < EvilDude> dlopen would make plugins so much easier! 06:44 < BleuLlama> -easier +possible 06:45 -!- jintonik [~jintonic@c-24-4-19-128.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:45 < courtc> http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/ss.png <-- one of my 4 current desktops.. (1.3M) 06:45 -!- jintonik is now known as jintonic 06:46 < jintonic> hi 06:46 < courtc> hey 06:47 < EvilDude> ok maybe the linker on the iPod is easier 06:49 < veteran> night all 06:49 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 06:49 < davidc__> EvilDude: 06:49 < davidc__> A serious hack would be to generate PIC code 06:50 < davidc__> then use some linker/custom tool mangling to generate a symbol table 06:50 < davidc__> then when it wants to load a plugin, load the data into ram at any aligned address 06:50 < davidc__> [pic means position independant] 06:50 < EvilDude> ouch 06:50 < davidc__> and use the symbol table to populate function pointers 06:51 < davidc__> yes, thats horrible. but it might work 06:51 < BleuLlama> or just install the dev tools on the unit, and the first time you run it, it compiles a .c containing the libraries to use, and then links 06:51 < EvilDude> maybe we should just stick with a nice monolithic podzilla 06:52 < EvilDude> hmm BleuLlama: is it possible to compile a set of dev tools for the iPod on comp? 06:52 < macPod> Why not simple shared memory, that is already possible 06:52 < EvilDude> ? 06:52 < macPod> run nano-x as a server 06:53 < macPod> then just open connections 06:53 < EvilDude> wasnt that too slow though 06:53 < macPod> then events are shared, etc 06:53 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas_NZ@210-55-121-172.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 06:53 < macPod> not to my knowledge. courtc would be the authority on that however as they have probably done the most work (if any) on it 06:53 < Jonas_NZ> hey nilss: hows the dump going, you finished it off yet 06:55 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas_NZ@210-55-121-172.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 06:55 < macPod> you must have scared them davidc 06:56 < davidc__> that twas the intent 06:56 < EvilDude> this seems interesting: http://www.cadenux.com/xflat/ 06:57 < courtc> EvilDude, it was a little too slow before the malloc speedup, havnt tried it since... dunno if it provide any speedup at all.. 06:57 < macPod> when i tried it quickly (did not launch any apps) I did nto notice a speed decrease 06:58 < macPod> just make sure you add the & after nano-x otherwise the screen turns black 06:58 < courtc> haha.. 06:58 < EvilDude> can one program access another program's functions by address? 06:58 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas_NZ@210-55-121-172.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 06:58 < courtc> there are a lot of optimizations i've been wanting to make to podzilla anywho.. 06:59 < Jonas_NZ> nills: you have the dump of the flash? 06:59 < EvilDude> what sort of optimizations 07:00 < courtc> stuff like the menu.. 07:00 < EvilDude> i was hoping more so mp3 decoding :p 07:01 < courtc> it changes the gc then draws the text out every time.. the text could be drawn to a pixmap then XORed on the screen 07:02 < EvilDude> why optimize the menu? is it that slow atm ? 07:02 < courtc> well, to slow for me :D 07:02 < EvilDude> work on figuring out the second cpu!! :p 07:03 < courtc> not to mention that it would make scrolling text <- -> easy to implement 07:03 < EvilDude> oo well in that case its good 07:04 < courtc> anywho its something that i _want_ to work on.. but there are more pressing things.. 07:04 < davidc__> EvilDude: I'm working on that. There are some issues. I'll get the second cpu working. Maybe. 07:04 < macPod> like tic tac toe :) 07:04 < EvilDude> hehe 07:04 < Jonas_NZ> leachbj, do you know if nilss finished dumping the flash? 07:04 * BleuLlama has vector text working, and is dropping in a vector font. :D 07:05 < EvilDude> davidc: wooot! lol will the second cpu help in doing more than one thing and preferably play music properly 07:05 < davidc__> Jonas_NZ: Yes he did 07:05 < davidc__> Jonas_NZ: and using that, we have the lcd on the 4g sortof under our control 07:06 < Jonas_NZ> ok cool, ill talk to nilss l8r on, oh ok cool 07:06 < davidc__> EvilDude: but, just to warn you, its a long long way from being anywhere near done. 07:06 < EvilDude> aw damn, i was hoping it was close 07:07 < BleuLlama> Evil: apple uses the second cpu to decode mp3, and AAC audio (dedicated) 07:07 < davidc__> BleuLlama: Do we know this for sure? 07:07 < BleuLlama> i don't know if "we" know it, but I know it for sure. 07:07 < davidc__> how do you know it for sure? 07:08 < BleuLlama> one of the things that my friend at belkin told me about the architecture 07:08 < EvilDude> so it doesnt use the first cpu at all to decode, just the second cpu 07:08 < davidc__> BleuLlama: ah, interesting 07:08 < BleuLlama> i think it might use the first cpu to buffer data for the second one, perhaps... 07:08 < BleuLlama> i'm not sure on that. 07:08 < EvilDude> i think it does 07:08 < EvilDude> coz say you're playing a game 07:09 < EvilDude> it pauses when a song finishes and buffering etc 07:09 < EvilDude> and then the game continues, so im thinking the first cpu has to do buffering etc 07:09 < EvilDude> and thats why the whole menu system seems to freeze up at times too 07:14 < Jonas_NZ> bbl 07:14 -!- Jonas_NZ [Jonas_NZ@210-55-121-172.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["PJIRC forever!"] 07:14 -!- systemicfailure_ [~chatzilla@c-67-166-167-125.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:26 < jintonic> hmm 07:27 < jintonic> so what kinda stuff is in the part of ipod os thats in the hard disk? 07:27 < BleuLlama> that's where the druids are stored 07:27 < BleuLlama> when they get tired, anyway 07:28 < BleuLlama> the druids read the data off of the disk, and hum. lots of druids, and they hum at differente frequencies, causing accurate sound playback. 07:28 < BleuLlama> it's an amazing system, really. 07:28 < jintonic> :-/ 07:29 < courtc> No, really.. 07:29 < BleuLlama> i dunno 07:29 < BleuLlama> heh 07:29 < jintonic> if you were talking about any other company than apple i'd be sure that's bullshit but then again.... its apple... they think very... different 07:31 < jintonic> yeah, so what's really in there? does anybody know? 07:31 -!- systemicfailure [~chatzilla@c-67-166-167-125.client.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:32 < davidc__> the only stuff in flash is stuff to initialize the hd, the lcd, and load the hd into flash 07:32 < davidc__> errr. 07:32 < davidc__> load the hd stuff into ram 07:32 < davidc__> everything else, on the hd is mp3 playback, ui code, etc 07:32 < davidc__> oh, and druids 07:33 < courtc> lots of em.. 07:33 < jintonic> ah, so there's probly no difference between the crap on the different ipods? (except maybe photo?) 07:34 < davidc__> well, it is different, a lot different. 4g/mini both use a different processor / mem layout than 3gs 07:34 < jintonic> but it sounded like you were saying most of the hardware specific stuff is in the flash 07:36 * courtc grumbles about strtok 07:36 < jintonic> i'd think the ipod mini ui probably isn't made specificly for ipod mini (to save money) 07:36 < davidc__> well, of course not. they both use the same ui code 07:36 < davidc__> oh, jintonic, once the code is loaded off the hd, it can't talk to the flash code 07:36 < davidc__> so they're really two separate os'es 07:36 < davidc__> so both have to be customized for different hardware 07:37 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has quit ["I'm afraid I have to sleep now..."] 07:38 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:38 < jintonic> ok 07:38 -!- davidc__ [~d@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net] has quit ["Sleep"] 07:39 < jintonic> in doing ipod development is it possible/likely to corrupt the flash? 07:39 < macPod> if you write to it, yes 07:39 < courtc> possible? yes.. Likely? no... 07:40 < jintonic> you'd have to be working with the boot loader? 07:40 < courtc> not unless you have problems distinguishing R's and W's 07:41 < jintonic> sometimes i do... so can i work on the ipod os? 07:41 < jintonic> :D 07:43 < jintonic> if i have a backup of the part thats on the hard disk but not the flash then can the flash be restored? 07:43 < jintonic> er, nvm 07:44 < macPod> if you screw up the flash, you are done unless you have a programmer and keen soldering skills 07:44 < jintonic> i meant: could i restore the flash with the flash being corrupt? 07:44 -!- nonother| [john@nj-65-41-86-66.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:44 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:45 < jintonic> could software written for ipodlinux overwrite the flash? 07:46 < macPod> dunno havent tried it 07:46 < courtc> why, why, why? 07:46 < jintonic> heh, i bet that sounded like i'm thinking about making some app to destroy ipods :P 07:47 < jintonic> i'm not, just curious about all this stuff 07:47 < jintonic> sorry if i'm asking too many questions 07:48 < courtc> no need to be sorry.. we'll stop answering questions when you've asked too many :) 07:49 < coob> [07:46] jintonic | heh, i bet that sounded like i'm thinking about making some app to destroy ipods :P 07:49 < coob> i wasn't thinking that before, but now.... 07:49 < courtc> sounds like a confession ;) 07:49 < macPod> courtc what do you think about a development page for the wiki? 07:50 < courtc> be more specific.. 07:50 < macPod> just describes who is working on what, etc so there are not duplicate efforts 07:50 < macPod> and it would be organized by projects, not by peoples names 07:50 < coob> ouh new 24 07:51 < courtc> Its nice in theory.. but would people actually use it? 07:51 < macPod> lets say someone wants to work on tic tac toe 07:51 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@61.1.188.60] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:51 < macPod> instead of having to search around to see if it is already being done, they just look on that page 07:52 < macPod> if the devs add their contact info people who want to group together can also get in contact 07:52 < macPod> etc 07:52 < courtc> macPod, I'll put you in charge of it.. :) 07:52 < macPod> :P ok I shall make the page 07:52 < jintonic> hehe, sounds like a good idea 07:53 < macPod> what about the name of the page? "current development" 07:53 < jintonic> active projects? 07:53 < macPod> "active projects" 07:53 < jintonic> haha 07:53 < coob> active development 07:54 < coob> current development 07:54 < courtc> macPod, you should also chat with veteran.. he stole a the script for : http://www.rockbox.org/requests.shtml 07:54 < macPod> ah, a fusion I like that one 07:54 < coob> tag it to the end of porject status 07:54 < coob> uh 07:54 < coob> i dunno :< 07:54 < jintonic> maybe put up a poll.. "which sounds better: * current development * active projects" 07:54 < jintonic> :P 07:55 < courtc> current development 07:55 < macPod> are those all ipod requested features on that link courtc? 07:55 < courtc> no, thats for rockbox.. 07:55 < courtc> #rockbox 07:55 < macPod> they relate :) 07:55 < macPod> ok, I'll put a wiki for now 07:55 < macPod> but that script sounds interesting 07:56 < courtc> quite closely.. I idle in #rockbox... 07:57 < jintonic> ooooh, espionage 07:57 < jintonic> ;) 07:58 < courtc> :) 08:01 < jintonic> hmm... anybody have or wanna make an image of the os sector of their ipod 4g full so we can compare md5sums and file size with my ipod mini firmware? 08:01 < macPod> they are the same 08:01 < jintonic> its been checked? 08:01 < macPod> all firmware partitions for all ipods are all about 32mb 08:02 < jintonic> mine is 40176 bytes with md5sum db71dd7ca3ea729bb6026a0aabfb5d3d 08:06 < courtc> macpod shouldnt you be asleep? ;) 08:07 < macPod> yes 08:07 < macPod> after this page is complete 08:07 < courtc> 3:10 08:07 < macPod> big deal. Wanna fight about it? 08:07 < macPod> :p 08:08 < courtc> ooh, can we? 08:08 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v macPod ] by courtc 08:08 < coob> jintonic: no not really, it's a bit pointless. 08:09 < leachbj> morning... 08:09 < courtc> macPod: I'm joking btw.. I live in est also.. 08:09 < coob> hi leachbj 08:09 < courtc> leachbj, hiya 08:09 < courtc> hmm... 08:09 < BleuLlama> leachbj 08:09 < jintonic> oh well, i'm bored and just curious whether it's the same 08:10 < jintonic> especially since (assuming usb 2.0) is a pretty quick and painless procedure 08:10 < courtc> I'll let him know he let you down by not getting in here early.. :) 08:10 < courtc> hehe 08:10 < courtc> ok 08:10 < courtc> tell him to check his email. 08:10 < leachbj> thanks, I gotit 08:11 < courtc> and also mention to him that the lcd commands are almost exactly like 3g, only difference is base is 0x70003000 08:12 < leachbj> yeah that seems to be the case with a few of the registers 08:12 < coob> jintonic: mini firmware is different to 4g firmware, and both are different to the photo firmware, a quick look at even apple's website would've told you that 08:13 < jintonic> but it doesnt necessarily mean the part on the hard disk is different 08:13 < coob> yes it does. 08:13 < jintonic> ok 08:14 < macPod> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Current_development 08:15 < courtc> looks good, but where is all my stuff? ;) 08:15 < macPod> you add it :P 08:15 < macPod> and make sure you follow the example ;p 08:16 < macPod> I'll send that to the patch list tommorow btw 08:16 < courtc> macPod, why not use --~~~ ? 08:17 < macPod> I havent bothered to learn the wiki yet. I provide the data and then coob comes along and makes the pages look pretty. It's a good system 08:17 < courtc> haha 08:17 < macPod> Now if it were html... 08:18 < courtc> coob, its your turn ;) 08:19 < courtc> I bet hes already restructured it and merged in like 8 pages 08:22 -!- ramp [ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 08:23 < ramp> nilss, you up? 08:23 * BleuLlama is updating his Vortex page. whee 08:23 < macPod> bleu use the preview page button instead of the save button 08:23 < macPod> that way you dont fill up the recent changes pages with each diff you apply 08:24 < BleuLlama> k. i hit the wrong button just now on the page. my bad. 08:31 < macPod> sleep time 08:32 < courtc> night macpod.. 08:34 < BleuLlama> night all 08:37 < coob> and make sure you use the minor edit thing correctly! 08:37 < coob> makes me crazy when people misuse that 08:37 < courtc> night BleuLlama 08:37 < jintonic> haha! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl <-- wikipedia has naked girls along with their definitions... beat that, encyclopedia britannica! 08:44 < jintonic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooker <-- disappointment... 09:03 -!- Synapse-_ [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 09:03 -!- Synapse-_ is now known as Synapsys 09:17 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:18 -!- Synapse- [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:19 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-54-99-220.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 09:19 < Jonas_NZ> nilss: you there? 09:20 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:20 < Jonas_NZ> has any1 here got a copy of the flash dump nilss took> 09:23 < jintonic> heh, leachbj or davidc if anyone, but i don't think they have it yet 09:23 -!- nonother| [john@nj-65-41-86-66.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:23 < jintonic> der, you ought to know that :P 09:25 < courtc> http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/dump.final.bin 09:25 < Jonas_NZ> lol, on my webspace, but cheers leachbj already gave me the link 09:26 < courtc> heh.. too slow.. 09:26 < jintonic> haha 09:29 < courtc> .. I'm soo sick of debugging this.. :p 09:29 < Jonas_NZ> what are you working on? 09:29 < courtc> an irc client/bot in c 09:29 < Jonas_NZ> oh ok 09:30 < Jonas_NZ> can sum1 explain to me how you guys find anything in this binary dump of the flash? 09:30 < Jonas_NZ> im looking at it and im lost 09:31 < courtc> haha.. you need to disassemble it.. or if you dont know asm, the command 'strings' might be helpful 09:32 < Jonas_NZ> oh i see i need to dissasemble the flash dump bin? 09:32 < Jonas_NZ> has sum1 got a dissasembled version? 09:33 < courtc> http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/asm 09:35 < Jonas_NZ> so where are the sources which have been modified so that the screen semi works on the 4g? 09:35 < leachbj> we are about 1-2 months from getting linux to boot. 09:36 < courtc> you mean 1-2 minutes, right? ;) 09:36 < Jonas_NZ> why, how much does actually need to be done 09:37 < courtc> why, oh why does 'dup = malloc(strlen(msg));' change the length of msg.. 09:38 < Jonas_NZ> courtc, what vm are you using 09:38 < Jonas_NZ> wm? 09:38 < coob> courtc: by how much? 09:38 < courtc> coob, by one 09:38 < courtc> Jonas_NZ, flux 09:38 < coob> are you including the nul? 09:39 < Jonas_NZ> courtc: i like your response to CTCP version :P manual or auto ? 09:39 < courtc> Jonas_NZ, :) auto.. 09:40 < Jonas_NZ> anyway, what distro you using court? 09:40 < Jonas_NZ> i like the look of your desktop in that screenie, ss.png 09:41 < courtc> coob including it? its there.. until i malloc :/ 09:42 < courtc> Jonas_NZ, I'm running arch linux, but I can get the same look in any distro.. 09:42 < Jonas_NZ> yeah, hmm, so whats the name of the theme 09:42 < courtc> for flux? Sn33z-mod 09:43 < courtc> before: NOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname... 09:43 < Jonas_NZ> k 09:43 < courtc> after: 09:43 < courtc> NOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname...1 09:43 -!- leachbj_ [~leachbj@pD9EAA559.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:43 < courtc> soo dumb 09:43 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj_ ] by courtc 09:45 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57321.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:45 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57321.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:46 < coob> courtc: i dunno maybe it tacks another nul on the end :< 09:46 < courtc> coob, and replaces the previous one with a 1 ? 09:50 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB8CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:53 < coob> most odd heh 09:54 < coob> oh wait 09:54 < coob> hm no 09:54 < coob> just malloc(strlen(msg)-1) then? 09:55 < courtc> yea, I fixed that.. :p stupid \0 was in the wrong string.. whoops.. but still can't figure out what the dealio is with all the segfaulting.. I think I might be getting tired 09:56 -!- jintonic [~jintonic@c-24-4-19-128.client.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:57 -!- jintonic [~jintonic@c-24-4-19-128.client.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:03 < courtc> a _whole_ dollar! 10:03 < jintonic> :o 10:03 < jintonic> jeez, share the wealth! 10:03 < courtc> its up for grabs in #ipodlinuxflood 10:04 < coob> ok well the first mistake 10:04 < coob> is that you're using c for an irc bot. 10:04 < courtc> haha 10:04 < coob> perl is your friend. 10:06 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57321.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:15 < courtc> anyone else wanna join in the fun and games? we are trying to figure out why I should have went to bed long ago.. Theres a prize up for grabs.. 10:17 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57321.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 10:20 < Jonas_NZ> any1 here good with python? 10:29 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/blog 10:30 < courtc> for all you forum avoiders 10:31 < Jonas_NZ> lol 10:36 -!- ramp [ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:37 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57321.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:38 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E57321.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:40 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has joined #ipodlinux 10:44 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:44 -!- nonother| [john@nj-65-41-86-66.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:54 < Jonas_NZ> bywa ll 10:55 < Jonas_NZ> whoah, i think that explains how tired i am 10:55 < Jonas_NZ> cyaz 10:55 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-54-99-220.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:55 < jintonic> blah 11:09 -!- Synapsys [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 11:13 -!- Synapsys [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 11:29 -!- jintonic [~jintonic@c-24-4-19-128.client.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:42 < nilss> re. 11:42 < Exion> wb 11:43 < coob> courtc: that blog's ahndy, i avoid the forums like the plague, too many newbs :) 11:43 < coob> handy* 11:43 < Exion> got any futher on getting output on serial ? ;) 11:43 < nilss> any progress? ;) 11:44 < leachbj_> nilss: i'm getting there on the bootloader RE but still a bit to go. 11:44 < Exion> have anyone compared ipodmini with the 4g bootloader ? if it's exactly the same. 11:44 < nilss> leachbj_: you already know we basically got the lcd working? 11:44 < leachbj_> yeah davidc__ emailed me... 11:44 < nilss> k :) 11:46 -!- djfire [~fire@653231hfc222.tampabay.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:46 < nilss> if no one else wants to do it i'll port the framebuffer stuff in the kernel to 4g tomorrow ;) 11:47 < leachbj_> should be pretty straight forward. 11:47 < nilss> yea 11:48 < leachbj_> infact it should be just those two registers values I think :) 11:48 < nilss> hehe 11:48 < nilss> well, i'll have a look at the code ;) 11:50 < nilss> what resolution has the 4g lcd? 11:50 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:53 < coob> 160 x 128 11:53 < coob> http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html :) 11:54 < nilss> so the same as the 3g? 11:54 < leachbj_> yup 11:55 < nilss> if i unterstand that code right there's a copy of the screen somewhere in ram that just get's send to the display every redraw? 11:55 < leachbj_> yup 11:55 < leachbj_> well the "updated portion" gets sent 11:55 < nilss> ah ok 11:56 < nilss> so basically i'll only have to change void ipod_update_display(...), let's see if i can do it ;) 11:56 < leachbj_> yup 11:57 < coob> ok well i have a maths exam now, later 11:57 < leachbj_> good luck 11:57 < coob> thanks 11:57 < nilss> oh well looks like i really only have to change the offset 11:58 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 12:01 < nilss> i guess it's the same lcd as in 3g, right? 12:01 < leachbj_> I think so 12:01 < leachbj_> I think the mini is the same too (at least from a programming perspective... just lower res) 12:02 < nilss> yea 12:03 < ramp> hey nilss 12:03 < nilss> hi 12:03 < coob> gah missed my bus, 15mins till the next one 12:03 < ramp> someone told me that the ipod cpu can't handle FP 12:03 < coob> would the kernel need some kind of detection code? 12:04 < coob> for the different generations 12:04 < nilss> does the fb gets inited before calibrate_delay()? 12:04 < leachbj_> coob: yes it will 12:04 < coob> would be easier to maintain than different patchsets i guess 12:04 < nilss> i think we should make seperate kernels 12:04 < leachbj_> nilss: I think so 12:04 < nilss> mkay 12:04 < nilss> so if i boot the kernel now i should see some text 12:05 < leachbj_> the console isn't initialised only the fb driver 12:05 < leachbj_> you dont see text until much later 12:05 < nilss> but there's a call to init_console()? 12:06 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:06 < leachbj_> ??... not sure exactly, but before calibrate_delay the console doesnt work 12:07 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 12:07 * coob wonders what the best way to detect the different generations would be 12:07 < coob> or just compile time opts with diff defines 12:08 < leachbj_> the kernel will just look for different execute addresses 12:08 < phildev2> it's better 12:08 < leachbj_> then it will also have code to determine which generation (this is already there) 12:08 < nilss> hu? the arguments to outl(); in tools.c (loader) seem to be swapped? 12:08 < nilss> is that correct? 12:09 < leachbj_> that could be... long time ago I had the wrong thing :/ 12:09 < leachbj_> nilss: if you fix the lcd code in the bootloader then you should see tux :) 12:09 < ramp> how do i connect to my ipod when it's booted into linux? 12:09 < coob> ramp: yeah the wiki entry on ethernet 12:09 < coob> er 12:10 < coob> s/yeah/read/ 12:10 < ramp> growl 12:11 < ramp> is there an easy way to gain root access on a mac with physical access? 12:12 < coob> yes 12:12 < coob> boot into single user mode 12:12 < ramp> how do you do that? 12:12 < coob> change the root pass using netinfo 12:12 < ramp> netinfo? 12:12 < coob> (if you want to be unnoticed, change it back to the original hash after) 12:12 < coob> google. 12:12 < ramp> will do 12:13 < coob> or if you have an admin account 12:13 < coob> sudo -s 12:13 < ramp> yeah 12:13 < coob> (account passwd) 12:13 < ramp> my friend's on a fairly locked down mac 12:13 < coob> will get you a root shell 12:13 < coob> the root account is disabled 12:13 < coob> on all shipped installs of os x 12:14 < coob> (except maybe server, dunno) 12:16 < nilss> strange 12:16 < nilss> the ipod resets 12:16 < ramp> you sure there's a way in on panther? 12:17 < coob> yes ramp. 12:17 < coob> right, bbl 12:22 < leachbj_> nilss: ? i'm just at the lcd stuff in the new bootloader now and its exactly the same processing, just that base register is different 12:23 < nilss> yea 12:23 < nilss> i changed the base in tools.c 12:23 < nilss> but now the ipod resets 12:33 -!- bbbb [~bb@195.188.217.4] has joined #ipodlinux 12:34 < nilss> mhm 12:34 < nilss> the wait function crashes it 12:34 < leachbj_> oh 12:34 < leachbj_> yeah you'll need to change the timer offsets 12:35 < leachbj_> it should use 0x60005010 12:35 < nilss> i did that, too... 12:36 < nilss> strange... 12:37 < nilss> even this code wait_start = inl(0x60005010); resets it 12:38 < nilss> brb 12:48 < nilss> re 12:53 < nilss> mhm why would that code reset the ipod?! 12:53 < leachbj_> ummm it shouldnt... 12:57 < nilss> somethings strange with that loader.bin 12:57 < nilss> i'll put the code in a seperate binary 13:07 < nilss> leachbj_: http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/g4lcd.jpg 13:07 < leachbj_> :) 13:10 < nilss> mhm 13:10 < nilss> i cant stop hacking ;) 13:10 < leachbj_> haha... did you get the gpio stuff in the bootloader working? 13:11 < nilss> havent tried yet 13:13 -!- loofus [~loofus@CPE000f6690f959-CM0011aec4f2ec.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit ["My damn controlling terminal disappeared!"] 13:14 < nilss> setting the contrast is also the same... :) 13:15 < nilss> but backlight doesnt work 13:16 < leachbj_> yeah there seems to be a lot more to the backlight code this time :( 13:29 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3FBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:29 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:32 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3FBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:11 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EEA661.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:12 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has quit [] 14:12 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has joined #ipodlinux 14:13 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has quit [Client Quit] 14:13 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has joined #ipodlinux 14:14 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has quit [Client Quit] 14:19 -!- phildev2 [~phildev2@195.134.162.14] has joined #ipodlinux 14:19 -!- nonother| [john@nj-65-41-86-66.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:19 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:25 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:35 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has joined #ipodlinux 14:36 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:36 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has joined #ipodlinux 14:42 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 14:43 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:44 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 14:53 < phildev2> nills: What's your status on serial line? (To get photo firm) 14:54 < leachbj_> phildev2: i'm not planning on using the serial line to get the photo firmware, I hope to get it directly from the firmware updates once I have the correct decoding code... 14:55 < phildev2> But there isn't any update for photo model now ? 14:56 < leachbj_> there is 14:56 < leachbj_> or at least the firmware for the photo is in the updater 14:57 < phildev2> you mean the photo bootloader is embedded into the november update? 14:57 < phildev2> iPod Updater 2004-11-15 14:57 < leachbj_> yes, its the Firmware-5.4.0 file/resource 14:58 < leachbj_> it was in 20.10.04 as well 14:58 -!- tlg [~tlg@214-225.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 14:59 < phildev2> and it is encrypted, isnt'it ? 14:59 < leachbj_> yes 15:00 < phildev2> ok, thx I didn't read all the time this channel and I'm not aware of this 15:01 < phildev2> what's about Firmware-6.2.4 & Firmware-10.3.0.2 ? 15:01 < leachbj_> look on the wiki for the firmware page 15:01 < phildev2> thx 15:09 < phildev2> I know the good url but is there a link pointing on it on the Wiki? I got it by the All Pages link only. 15:09 < leachbj_> ask the wiki 15:10 < phildev2> Who is it? :-) 15:11 < leachbj_> the wiki can tell you about links 15:11 < phildev2> By a search? 15:11 * leachbj_ is away: I'm busy 15:17 -!- JMunakra [~JMunakra@fc.emagic.de] has joined #ipodlinux 15:18 < JMunakra> is there any info about the iPod's firewire hardware on the wiki or web? 15:26 -!- Burbas [Burbas@h10n2fls305o1038.telia.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:26 < phildev2> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Mounting_on_Linux 15:26 < Burbas> This is maybe a stupid question, but how power down my ipod? 15:30 -!- acs [~acs@80.36.133.212] has joined #ipodlinux 15:30 -!- tlg [~tlg@214-225.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 15:33 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:33 -!- nonother| [john@nj-65-41-86-66.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:33 -!- tlg [~tlg@214-225.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 15:36 < Burbas> Someone who can help me? 15:38 < leachbj_> you cant under linux, reboot it to apple 15:40 < Burbas> okej :) 15:41 < Burbas> tnx 15:43 < JMunakra> Can the iPod link do isoc transactions? 15:43 < leachbj_> no 15:43 -!- nilss [nils@2001:6f8:1226:1:0:0:d95d:3544] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:43 -!- nilss_ [nils@2001:6f8:1226:1:0:0:d95d:3544] has joined #ipodlinux 15:43 -!- nilss_ is now known as nilss 15:44 < JMunakra> wouldn't there be a way to accept isoc packets as async packets? 15:44 < leachbj_> not that I'm aware of 15:46 < JMunakra> because the only thing that's different for isoc is that they go before the first arbitrartion gap. Oh, and the header, of course. 15:46 < JMunakra> Do you know how the link filters the isoc packets? 15:47 < leachbj_> no 15:53 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@142.232.117.249] has joined #ipodlinux 15:53 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 15:53 < davidc__> hey all 15:53 < davidc__> bern, you around? 15:53 < leachbj_> hey davidc__ 15:53 < davidc__> guess so :) 15:53 < davidc__> how goes the reverse engineering? 15:53 < leachbj_> i'm just working on the decryption stuff now 15:54 < davidc__> cool 15:54 < davidc__> was that database any use? 15:54 < leachbj_> i had a little browse ;)... but I had also done a bit last night :/ 15:54 < davidc__> ah 15:55 < davidc__> found the decryption routines yet? 15:55 < davidc__> or, approx location? 16:07 < phildev2> it's sound like a key at offset 4a2414 on firm540 16:09 < phildev2> Or maybe the first 512 bytes of each image 16:16 -!- ramp [~ramp@c220-237-11-109.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:17 < phildev2> in previous firm222, the code starts at the beginning of the image, now it starts at offset 0x200 from the beginning of image. Those bytes are involved in block encryption 16:18 < Burbas> Can I access the consol somehow? 16:18 -!- grml [~mgla@pD9EEAA12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:18 < Burbas> 'I mean from my PC? 16:19 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EEA661.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:19 -!- grml is now known as mgla 16:22 < phildev2> As the first image isn't encrypted, the first image 512 block bytes seems to be the identical function key 16:25 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:33 < phildev2> what's the opcode from 0x22dc17ea? 16:35 < Burbas> Do you think its possible to insert a standard CompactFlash card instead of the Ipod minis Microdrive 16:44 < Burbas> !? 16:44 < leachbj_> no 16:45 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD953228F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:45 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD953228F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:46 < Burbas> leachbj_: why not? 16:48 < leachbj_> because I think the ipod uses/detects that hardware and only works with it. but I'm only guessing 16:50 < Burbas> aa. But microdrive reminds very much about CompactFlash. So maybe it will work? 16:51 < BleuLlama> 1) i don't believe they are pin compatible (CF Pinout != IDE pinout) and the apple firmware expects a certain drive geometry (or sets of drive geometries), so unless you put a 5gig cf card into a 5 gig ipod (assuming you ahve a CF-IDE adapter) then it *might* work, possibly... 16:52 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD953228F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:52 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EEAA12.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 16:52 < BleuLlama> i've heard of people years ago, dropping other IDE drives itno the ipod with poor results.. it had to be the same model of drive... (perhaps apple did its usual "apple-rom" thing on the drive itself? I know at some point Apple switched the mini's hard drive over from a standard mini drive over to a somewhat custom one 16:54 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD953228F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:54 < Burbas> But isnt the connectors on 'Compactflash and Microdrive the same? 16:55 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-91-39.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:56 -!- princeofdarkness is now known as danalien 16:58 < BleuLlama> yes. but that's only the ipod. the regular pods don't use microdrives, they use regular drives, and apple's firmware expects drives of specific geometries to be there... i wouldn't be surprised if the rom in the drive is also customized to the point where the firmware expects that rom to be there. 16:59 < BleuLlama> er... "only the ipod Mini" 17:00 < dolph1n> Hey 17:00 < Burbas> mm. 17:00 < Burbas> Maybe 17:01 < Burbas> I wounder if I shall open my ipod mini and test with a 256Mb cf card 17:01 < BleuLlama> well, i know that the most recent ipod mini's microdrives don't work properly outside of the mini; they're customized somewhat 17:01 < Burbas> okay. 17:01 < Burbas> Thats bad. 17:02 < BleuLlama> and i know that at least g1 and g2 ipods expect specifc drives to be in there; it's hardcoded into the firmware (unlike PC Bios's autodetect type of thing.) 17:02 < BleuLlama> bad? i don't think so. especially not for apple. 17:02 < BleuLlama> bad for hackers who want to drop in a bigger disk... 17:02 < BleuLlama> ;) 17:03 < BleuLlama> if you want to try it, go for it. i'm curious as to the results... 17:04 < Burbas> But I want a compactflashcard, not because the size but to get rid of the movingparts on the microdrive. 17:05 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:05 < systemicfailure_> do you guys believe that apple is about to introduce a flash memory based ipod today? 17:06 < Burbas> It would be nice :P 17:07 < systemicfailure_> im waiting on the news but the keynote address of the macworld expo is going to be delayed to later today 17:09 < macPod> oh te expo is today? 17:09 < macPod> the ipod flash will be revealed 17:09 < tlg> systemicfailure_: http://www.macitynet.it/english/aA20182/index.shtml 17:12 < macPod> life is random 17:12 < tlg> 240 songs 17:12 < tlg> ~= 1Gb 17:14 < BleuLlama> that's like 500 punk thrash songs. ;) 17:15 -!- Burbas [Burbas@h10n2fls305o1038.telia.com] has quit [] 17:17 < coob> systemicfailure_: tomorrow 17:17 < coob> keynote isn't till tomorrow 17:18 < tlg> coob: yeas tuesday 17:18 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:18 < tlg> 01/11/2005, 09:00 AM - 10:30 AM 17:18 < tlg> EST I suppose 17:19 < BleuLlama> actually, probably PST, since it's being done out there. 17:19 < tlg> or PST ;) 17:20 -!- acs [~acs@80.36.133.212] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:24 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:29 -!- bbbb [~bb@195.188.217.4] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:30 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:30 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by ChanServ 17:32 -!- peterburk [~peterburk@lns-vlq-36-gre-82-253-83-34.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:39 -!- il[lizard] [1000@81-86-93-237.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:39 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-91-39.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:40 -!- il[lizard] is now known as dolph1n 17:41 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [-o leachbj_ ] by ChanServ 17:42 -!- leachbj_ is now known as leachbj 17:42 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 17:42 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:42 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:44 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 17:46 -!- Thijs [~mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 17:47 < Thijs> goodevening! 17:47 < leachbj> hi Thijs 17:48 < peterburk> welcome to a pretty dead chat :-) 17:49 < systemicfailure_> has anyone here read this book: Embedded Linux: Hardware, Software and Interfacing 17:51 < peterburk> leachbj, theres an error on the title thing 17:51 < peterburk> (still no 4g or mini support! visit http://www.ipodinux.org/4g before asking) 17:51 < peterburk> it should be www.ipodlinux.org/4g (you missed an l) 17:51 -!- leachbj changed the topic of #ipodlinux to: uclinux-2.4.24-ipod2 now available on www.ipodlinux.org for download (still no 4g or mini support! visit http://www.ipodlinux.org/4g before asking) 17:53 < peterburk> thx :-) *having fun nitpicking* 17:54 < systemicfailure_> peter are you on the development side of ipodlinux 17:56 < leachbj> hey tlg are you familiar with arm asm? 17:56 < peterburk> systemicfailure: not really, but im a moderator who kows whats going on, but i dont program if you have request 17:56 < peterburk> i read the forums 17:57 < phildev2> leachbj: what can I do? 17:58 < JMunakra> leachbj: I am, a little 17:58 < systemicfailure_> no requests, im just looking for a good book on embedded linux 17:59 < dolph1n> Holy shit 17:59 < dolph1n> Did anyone see neighbours? 17:59 < dolph1n> incest. 17:59 < veteran> umm? 17:59 < leachbj> thanks for the update dolph1n but i think you're looking for #crap_tv 18:00 < dolph1n> haha 18:00 < coob> neighbours rocks 18:00 < coob> dolph1n: did she sleep with her brother? 18:00 < dolph1n> sorry, Just got weirded out by it 18:00 < dolph1n> Yeah 18:00 < coob> the one that looks like a chipmunk 18:00 < veteran> #crap_tv 18:00 < veteran> now. 18:00 < dolph1n> Yeah! 18:00 < dolph1n> That's the one 18:00 < dolph1n> and it's only like.. 5:00 18:00 < peterburk> dammit! nilss is crazy, but im glad theres at last been something happen on the 4G front 18:01 < veteran> haha peter... 18:01 < peterburk> maybe by september when i'll buy the ipod photo 2 when it comes out, it might be linux-ready 18:02 < dolph1n> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5549858584 18:02 < veteran> "We're working on decoding the latest iPod's flash by making it beep it out in binary, then decoding an 8 hour recording of the beeping" 18:02 < peterburk> im planning on getting the media reader, ipod photo and digital camera in one go, but as im broke, it'll be the next release of ipod before i afford it 18:02 < veteran> and... it's not april fools 18:02 -!- JMunakra [~JMunakra@fc.emagic.de] has quit ["bbl"] 18:02 < dolph1n> hahaha 18:02 < dolph1n> now that is madness 18:02 < peterburk> LOL some people are nuts 18:03 < veteran> nuts? i think it's brilliant 18:03 < veteran> well, now that i see it worked i think it's brilliant 18:03 < peterburk> oh yeah, its just trying to decode binary from beeping ipods 18:03 < veteran> yes, nuts was my first reaction. 18:04 < peterburk> but if it works, i guess you cant blame him 18:04 < peterburk> 8 hours would probably be at night though, just imagine at 3 am the ipod stops beeping and you have to wake up to turn it off 18:04 < dolph1n> heh 18:04 < dolph1n> Just stay away 18:05 < dolph1n> *awake 18:05 < peterburk> but, what would it really give us thats not the firmware (im really nooB on hardcode low-level hacking i know, but its kinda interesting nevertheless) 18:07 < peterburk> or is it that the aupd might be decrypted by the ipod, and this would give us a decrypted version? 18:09 < peterburk> WACK - what a chat killer 18:10 < peterburk> this is why im not worried about the deve1oper meeting being too busy and confusing 18:16 < leachbj> ok arm punters, I have some code that I need converted to C from arm asm... 18:16 < leachbj> its on #ipodlinuxflood in a minute or so 18:21 < macPod> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5961 18:33 < veteran> anyone interested in modifying a phpbb skin? 18:35 < dolph1n> I've done it before 18:35 < dolph1n> But I'm not sure if I have the time 18:35 < dolph1n> http://www.sonowwhodowevotefor.net/phpBB2/ 18:35 < dolph1n> ^ My work 18:36 < dolph1n> what kind of a job is it? 18:41 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:42 < peterburk> g2g eat ppl, so cya 18:42 -!- peterburk [~peterburk@lns-vlq-36-gre-82-253-83-34.adsl.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:48 -!- systemicfailure_ [~chatzilla@c-67-166-167-125.client.comcast.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"] 18:48 < veteran> dolph1n - just adding some rules tot he top of the post page 18:48 < veteran> i'm too busy 18:48 < dolph1n> AH 18:48 < dolph1n> Ok, sure 18:48 < dolph1n> Just send me the rules and the *.tpl file 18:49 -!- Ciaran [~mirc@host217-44-249-2.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ipodlinux 18:49 < Ciaran> Hello. 18:49 < Ciaran> I have a question for y'all. 18:49 < Ciaran> As we've got some pretty nifty PP programmers around here... 18:51 < dolph1n> go ahead 18:51 < Ciaran> It's about the problem of lack of 4G devices to play with. There's a few questions I'm wondering... firstly, is it possible to remotely power off and on the 4G iPod through the USB interface? 18:52 < dolph1n> bah 18:52 < dolph1n> I'm sick of wallops 18:52 < tlg> leachbj: I've put my code 18:52 < dolph1n> Cairan: Dunno 18:53 < Ciaran> See, I think it would be pretty nifty cool if it was possible to develop a 'firmware loader' that would sit on top of the normal firmware and send the LCD display information over the USB interface, along with a program/script on the PC side to allow the computer to reboot the iPod and upload new firmware remotely. 18:53 < Ciaran> I'm not able to do that with my experience at the moment but if someone wants to take the idea and run with it... 18:53 < dolph1n> you mean like... 18:54 < dolph1n> The default apple one that's already there? 18:55 < Ciaran> Well, sure. But what I mean is that say I'm running a server to which my iPod is connected. My server is running a program that allows very specific people to whom I give access the capability to upload new firmware onto my iPod and to see the contents of the LCD screen as displayed by a Java applet or something. Heck, it could be a webcam. 18:56 < Ciaran> So really all someone needs is a program to *remotely* remotely upload firmware and reboot the iPod, a webcam, and an iPod they don't mind trashing. 18:57 < leachbj> Ciaran: sounds fun ;) but we've pretty much sorted out the hardware issue for now 18:58 < Ciaran> Well, I thought that you were all saying that if developers had access to a real live 4G iPod, development would be much quicker? 18:59 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@142.232.117.249] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:59 < leachbj> http://www.ipodlinux.org/blog/ 18:59 < Ciaran> This is one way to go about it. Heck, if someone tells me what needs to be sent over the USB port I could maybe whip up a script that can be run in Apache or something. 18:59 < Ciaran> *looks* 18:59 -!- davidc__ [~davidc@142.232.117.249] has joined #ipodlinux 18:59 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o davidc__ ] by ChanServ 18:59 < Ciaran> Ooooo, sweet. 19:00 < dolph1n> cool 19:00 < Ciaran> I'd love to hear how you guys did that. 19:00 < davidc__> cool? 19:00 < dolph1n> was just reading the diary 19:00 < dolph1n> thingy 19:01 < dolph1n> looking at the calender January 2005 S M T W T F S 19:01 < dolph1n> never noticed that before 19:01 < veteran> i like how WTF is bolded, very nice touch 19:01 < dolph1n> heh 19:01 < dolph1n> I think 19:01 < dolph1n> How coincidental My finger slipped at those points 19:02 < Ciaran> Also, I'm just going to syndicate that blog in LiveJournal. Anyone have a good name for it or shall I just call it "ipodlinux_blog"? 19:02 < leachbj> how about ipodlinux_rulz_the_world ;) 19:03 < Ciaran> Too big... it only takes 15 characters. 19:04 < Ciaran> ipodlinux_rulz would work ;) 19:04 < leachbj> ipodlinux_blog it is then :) 19:04 < Ciaran> Okay then. 19:04 < dolph1n> how about Isuckcock/wiPL 19:05 < Ciaran> Too late :) 19:05 < Ciaran> http://www.livejournal.com/users/ipodlinux_blog/ 19:05 < dolph1n> Wow 19:05 < dolph1n> veteran must be really lagged 19:05 < dolph1n> either that or he thinks I can add the ruls to the forum with no access or rules :P 19:06 < dolph1n> actually, I havn't posted at the forum yet 19:06 < dolph1n> strange, I should have 19:07 < veteran> nah just really busy 19:07 < davidc__> phildev: Are you doing any disasm work? 19:07 < dolph1n> ah 19:09 < coob> livejournal is awful 19:09 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has quit ["Computer goes to sleep!"] 19:12 -!- Jenw [~chatzilla@pD958EDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:12 < Jenw> #ipodlinux 19:12 * coob claps 19:13 < davidc__> whoa. Jenw is a bot that joins channels and prints their channel name 19:13 < Jenw> does linux now boot on the ipod 4G/mini? 19:13 < veteran> topic. 19:13 < dolph1n> Now that's the kinda of thing I nee 19:13 < dolph1n> d 19:13 < davidc__> Yes, but just keep a fire extinguisher handy. 19:13 < veteran> haha! 19:13 < dolph1n> Haha 19:13 < dolph1n> wow, we get a lot of these users every 5 mins or so now 19:13 < davidc__> yeah 19:13 < davidc__> its funny 19:14 < davidc__> join channel: Ask question in title, or one answered a billion times in the wiki and on the forum. 19:14 * veteran deletes forum and wiki 19:14 < coob> on the fornt page of the wiki noless 19:14 < veteran> problem solved. 19:14 < Jenw> I just wondered why the parts which told the 4g doesn't boot were deleted in the wiki... 19:15 < davidc__> "Fourth generation iPods including the click wheel, mini, U2, and Photo are NOT currently supported." 19:15 < veteran> http://www.ipodlinux.org/ 19:15 < veteran> search for bold text 19:15 < davidc__> right on the front page 19:15 < davidc__> check this for status: 19:15 < davidc__> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g 19:16 < coob> Jenw: i think i may've been wrong when i put that up, nils has more of a clue than i do and he removed it. 19:16 < Jenw> haha, just done that but exactly on that page the lines telling it won't boot were removed... 19:16 < dolph1n> just don't mess with it 19:16 < dolph1n> You don't look smart enough to be playing with stuff like that currently :P 19:17 < davidc__> Jenw: I think he was talking to coob 19:18 < coob> eh davidc__ ? 19:18 < Jenw> Are there any fw-images available for download? 19:19 < davidc__> coob: :p 19:19 < davidc__> Jenw: fw-images? 19:19 < davidc__> images of what? 19:19 < davidc__> default apple? 19:19 < davidc__> linux? 19:19 < davidc__> and for what ipod revision? 19:19 < davidc__> anyways, I'm off 19:19 < davidc__> class 19:19 < dolph1n> Jenw: illigal as the sun 19:19 < dolph1n> Later, dave 19:20 < Jenw> default apple (4g/mini)... 19:20 < davidc__> we cannot offer them for download as that is against apples copyright 19:20 < davidc__> simply extract them from the apple installer pkg 19:21 < Jenw> then how can I get them? I just want to take a look at them 19:21 < coob> do you have an ipod? dd it of. 19:21 < coob> off 19:21 < coob> or just download apple's ipod updater 19:22 < dolph1n> coob: you use mac, your dd function is probibly broken :P 19:24 < dolph1n> and I dount Jenw knows what dd does 19:24 < dolph1n> ... 19:24 < dolph1n> wow, I'm being awfully mean today 19:24 < Jenw> I know what it does... 19:24 < dolph1n> And awfully gay in that last sentence 19:24 < dolph1n> That's nice 19:31 < veteran> davidc__ - please for the sake of noobkind do not read the forums today 19:31 < dolph1n> haha 19:31 < dolph1n> link me, I need a laugh 19:32 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9532A55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:32 < veteran> Before you post, please: 19:32 < veteran> - Search the forums to make sure nobody else has asked your question before. 19:32 < veteran> - Search the website for answers to your question. 19:32 < veteran> - Check the Forum Rules 19:32 < veteran> erm, wrong paste =) 19:33 < dolph1n> haha 19:33 < veteran> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=914&highlight= 19:33 < dolph1n> Hahahahahahah 19:33 < veteran> davidc__, that link is NOT for you 19:33 < dolph1n> hahahaha 19:34 < dolph1n> I'm literally laughing out loud 19:34 < dolph1n> 1st=what a GUI 19:34 < dolph1n> I may have to make my First post 19:35 < veteran> hah, be nice or it'll be deleted 19:35 < dolph1n> I will be nice :) 19:35 < veteran> oh and try not to be... eh... vivid when describing the meaning of RTFF and RTFW 19:35 < veteran> freakin' will suffice 19:36 < dolph1n> heh 19:37 < dolph1n> HTML on? 19:40 < veteran> nope 19:40 < BleuLlama> wax on. wax off. 19:40 < dolph1n> Nope!??! 19:40 < dolph1n> Options: 19:40 < dolph1n> HTML is ON 19:40 < dolph1n> BBCode is ON 19:40 < dolph1n> Smilies are ON 19:40 < macPod> anybody seen this page? 19:40 < macPod> http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~m.heijligers/ipod/Engineering/engineering.html 19:41 < veteran> dolph1n - looks like you didn't need to ask 19:41 < dolph1n> yeah 19:41 < dolph1n> Man, that was stupid of me 19:42 < macPod> gibb89 has no clue lol 19:42 < dolph1n> bah 19:42 < dolph1n> stupid html 19:44 < dolph1n> done 19:44 < dolph1n> There! 19:44 < dolph1n> My first post giving him infomation about everything he asked :) 19:46 -!- poolio [~poolio@pcp279080pcs.owngsm01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:50 -!- il[lizard] [1000@81-86-38-202.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:50 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-93-237.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:50 -!- il[lizard] is now known as dolph1n 19:50 < dolph1n> ffs... 19:50 < dolph1n> stupid 19:52 < dolph1n> I could strangle this newd 19:52 < dolph1n> *newb 19:52 -!- Jenw [~chatzilla@pD958EDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041108]"] 19:53 < dolph1n> and him 19:54 -!- poolio [~poolio@pcp279080pcs.owngsm01.md.comcast.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:54 < Ciaran> Nude newb/ 19:54 < Ciaran> ? 19:54 < Ciaran> >:D 19:55 < dolph1n> haha 19:55 < dolph1n> ew. 19:57 < Ciaran> You should have directed him to http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ , perhaps. :D 19:57 < Ciaran> But nah, that'd get deleted, I guess. 19:58 < dolph1n> heh 19:59 -!- cohmapappWork [~cohmapapp@corporate.homestead-inc.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:59 < cohmapappWork> Great news about the piezo bootloader download hack!! 20:01 < Ciaran> Definetly. :D 20:06 < BleuLlama> one of the more inventive, messed up things i've witnessed in years. Uber-cheers. :D 20:09 -!- foo1 [~foo@ool-43553561.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:09 < Ciaran> Given the lack of a PP emulator, though, it's probably more-or-less the easiest way. :D 20:10 < dolph1n> hmm 20:10 < Ciaran> I wasn't on IRC when it happened so I don't exactly know how it worked other than that Nils recorded what was essentially a straight dump of the bootloader coming from the Piezo, and presumably decoded it on the PC. Which is tremendous work. 20:10 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9532A55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:10 < dolph1n> I shall Go to ManLUG 20:11 < coob> as in manchester? 20:11 < BleuLlama> ohm i agree, ciaran... don't read into what i wrote wrong... i think it's one of the cleverest, awesomest hacks i've seen in a very long time. :D 20:12 < BleuLlama> it was nliss dumping, and a few other doing signal processing, and decoding... it's been going on for the past few days. very nifty stuff. 20:14 < macPod> courtc I posted a diff for you :) 20:18 -!- Alpott87 [kulgan2@m78-mp1.cvx6-b.pop.dial.ntli.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:18 < Alpott87> Hi 20:19 -!- yortje [~erjkfdsoi@h82151162044.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 20:20 < dolph1n> Alpott87; no, there is no 4g support yet 20:20 < BleuLlama> hehe 20:21 < Alpott87> 4g what 20:21 < BleuLlama> too bad there's no bot in here that msg's people that as they join 20:21 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:21 < Alpott87> oh, 4th generation 20:21 < Alpott87> I know, I actually read the site 20:21 < Alpott87> !_! 20:22 < dolph1n> haha 20:22 < dolph1n> we should make one :P 20:23 < Alpott87> What site am I on then 20:23 < yortje> This "Nilss" Person what's his progress with the 4G ? 20:23 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:24 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:24 < Alpott87> if there was a 4g, would it work on a "Creative Zen Extra", small question, don't hurt me ;_; 20:24 -!- phildev [~phildev@philippe.devallois.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:25 < dolph1n> yortje: relax, it'll sort itself out 20:25 < dolph1n> you just wait 20:25 < dolph1n> good boy. 20:25 < yortje> :d 20:25 < Alpott87> ..Hello? 20:25 < dolph1n> yeh? 20:26 < Alpott87> what I said above 20:26 -!- Thijs [~mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 20:27 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 20:27 -!- veteran_BAH [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:27 < cohmapappWork> Is the bootloader up anywhere for download? 20:27 -!- Tijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 20:27 < Alpott87> fine 20:27 -!- veteran [veteran@cs2428114-153.houston.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:27 -!- Tijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has left #ipodlinux [] 20:28 < leachbj> cohmapappWork: I guess nilss had a good version (for 4g I assume you mean) but I'm not sure. 20:28 < Alpott87> if there was a 4g, would it work on a "Creative Zen Extra", small question, don't hurt me ;_; 20:28 < cohmapappWork> cool. This is very exciting 20:28 < Alpott87> or is it just for ipods 20:28 < Alpott87> being ipod linux 20:29 < leachbj> yes just for ipods 20:29 < Alpott87> okay 20:29 < BleuLlama> that's like asking "if i have windows 2000, will it work on macs directly? 20:29 < cohmapappWork> I had a dev question a while back that I never really got answered: Is there a way to run podzilla on the PC so developers can write code and see what it looks like even if they don't have a supported ipod? 20:30 < dolph1n> someone should make a pod emulator I suppose 20:30 < leachbj> yes, check out the wiki pages on building podzilla 20:30 < Alpott87> I was only asking 20:30 < Alpott87> .. 20:30 -!- Alpott87 [kulgan2@m78-mp1.cvx6-b.pop.dial.ntli.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 20:30 < leachbj> i was only answering....? 20:31 < cohmapappWork> Great! Thanks, leachbj! I totally missed this: http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Building_Podzilla_for_the_Desktop 20:39 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EEAA12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:41 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0014.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:41 < BleuLlama> pirate 20:41 < piratePenguin> yep 20:41 < BleuLlama> hey 20:41 < piratePenguin> yo 20:42 < BleuLlama> yo backatcha 20:42 < piratePenguin> heh.. hows the gui and stuff? 20:42 < BleuLlama> focusing on Vortex for now. I'm about to bring in an old matrix library i wrote around 1994 or so. heh. (so i can do scaling, rotations, etc of the graphics 20:43 < piratePenguin> nice... 20:44 < piratePenguin> I wont have much time for linux and C now that I'm back at school.. 20:44 < BleuLlama> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Vortex I got vector text (a-z, 0-9 characters) implemented last night... 20:44 < BleuLlama> you can't see it in that screenshot, but as you move the spinner, it changes the web (playfield) and the number gets bigger while the text gets smaller... 20:44 < macPod> that's cool 20:45 < BleuLlama> i can provide source for anyone who wants to try it out. (podzilla game) 20:45 -!- mgla [~mgla@pD9EEAA12.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ipodlinux ["linked /dev/brain to /dev/null"] 20:45 < piratePenguin> class 20:47 < macPod> so is everyone ready for the iPod shuffle? 20:47 < dolph1n> iPod shuffle? 20:47 < macPod> the flash ipod 20:48 < dolph1n> What the fuck..? 20:48 < BleuLlama> apple is a sell out. how can i possibly use my ipod as a status symbol when everyone can own one? 20:48 < BleuLlama> ;) 20:48 < dolph1n> heh 20:59 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@219-88-56-221.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 21:03 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0014.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Linux is a (r)evolution. Embrace change."] 21:08 < dolph1n> shutdown -r now 21:08 < dolph1n> brb 21:08 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-38-202.dsl.pipex.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:10 < Jonas_NZ> hi 21:13 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #iPodLinux 21:13 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has joined #ipodlinux 21:13 < fre_ber> Hello 21:14 < macPod> hey 21:14 < fre_ber> What's up? 21:15 < macPod> tictactoe is done :p 21:15 < macPod> again 21:15 < fre_ber> Nice, and you are certain that it is impossible for the player to win? 21:15 < macPod> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Current_development 21:15 < macPod> you should post there 21:16 < fre_ber> Ah, I haven't come to that yet. I'm slowly going through my email first. I was away for 24 hours. Silly email account.. :) 21:21 < fre_ber> Aha, have you figured out the 4g lcd controller?!? 21:21 < Dr_Unvisible> I think they did this morning 21:21 < fre_ber> Very nice! 21:22 < Jonas_NZ> yeah 21:22 < Dr_Unvisible> 08:07 <@nilss> leachbj_: http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/g4lcd.jpg 21:22 < fre_ber> Great job. I'm happy for you. :) 21:22 < Jonas_NZ> fre_ber from what i understand its semi under control 21:22 < fre_ber> Ok, but a very important first step, right? 21:23 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-234-238.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:23 < dolph1n> Back 21:23 < Jonas_NZ> yeah cos now we can start debugging 21:23 < Jonas_NZ> instead of using a pezio to listen to error messages in binary 21:23 < fre_ber> Without having to listen to the piezo.. ;) 21:23 < fre_ber> err. :) 21:24 < dolph1n> ok 21:24 < dolph1n> where was that linux to compiling podzilla on nix to run on nix 21:25 < fre_ber> Too many nix for me to decode... :) 21:25 < dolph1n> fuck 21:25 < Exion> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Building_Podzilla_for_the_Desktop 21:25 < dolph1n> what did I just say? 21:25 < dolph1n> That's it! 21:25 < dolph1n> Thanks 21:25 < Exion> np 21:25 < fre_ber> lol 21:25 * dolph1n is too lazy to search 21:26 < BleuLlama> (g4lcd.jpg) that is f'ing awesome! :D 21:27 < dolph1n> Bleu: link? 21:28 < Exion> ehh.. look 10 lines up ;) 21:28 < yortje> http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/g4lcd.jpg 21:28 < Jonas_NZ> yeah but we arestill about 1-2 months away from it running : according to leachbj 21:28 < dolph1n> I wasn't here 10 lines up 21:28 < Exion> ahh 21:28 < Jonas_NZ> any1 here good with python? 21:28 < dolph1n> ah, pwnage 21:28 < dolph1n> But we knew we could do that already :P 21:31 < BleuLlama> yeah. still in scrollback, dolph1n. 21:31 * BleuLlama is half here. 21:32 < dolph1n> heh 21:32 * dolph1n is too scared at the moments having already broken two iPods 21:32 * BleuLlama is going to patiently wait for g4 support. :) 21:33 < courtc> /back 21:33 < courtc> uh.. 21:33 < dolph1n> No-one has a slackware binary of aMSN do they? 21:33 < dolph1n> WOn't compile here for some obscure reason 21:33 < dolph1n> and the install won't work 21:42 -!- evergreen [florian@pudo.org] has quit [Client Quit] 21:43 < courtc> macPod, i beat ttt once... 21:43 < macPod> what! 21:43 < courtc> yep 21:43 < macPod> what combo? 21:43 < macPod> that can be fixed 21:43 < courtc> I should taken a ss, cause i cant do it again 21:44 < macPod> just tell me the combination 21:44 < courtc> I dont remember.. 21:44 < macPod> with the matrix with the upper left cell == 0 21:44 < BleuLlama> bah. the only winning move is not to play 21:44 < BleuLlama> i bet it would be pretty easy to expand the TTT code to support "Connect 4"... 21:45 < macPod> you would think wouldn't you :P 21:45 < BleuLlama> ;) 21:45 < macPod> the a.i. was a pain 21:45 < macPod> it uses the minimax algorithm 21:45 < macPod> I guess I'll have to increment the difficulty setting so courtc cannot beat the game 21:46 < courtc> haha 21:46 < macPod> but only if he remembers the combo 21:46 < BleuLlama> check the ipod name, and if it's "CourtC's Ipod" use a different algorithm 21:47 < macPod> lol just post the message "You loose" right off the bat 21:47 < courtc> haha.. my ipod is named 'ipod' 21:47 < fre_ber> Oh, have you been up for a long time again, courtc? ;) 21:48 < macPod> bbl 21:48 < dolph1n> Mine is called 'vaka' 21:48 < dolph1n> I don't know why 21:49 < BleuLlama> mine is "Tom Servo" it originally was called "Trumpy", but i changed it when i found that a friend had hers named "Trumpy" also... eheh. (MST3k episode "Pod People" had a main-character alien named "Trumpy") 21:49 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 21:49 < courtc> actually I got pissed this morning so I went to sleep.. Thats what I do when I get upset... 21:49 < fre_ber> That sounds like a good philosophy. 21:49 < Hostile> lol 21:49 < courtc> yep.. :) 21:49 < Hostile> better eating then when your pissed 21:49 < Hostile> better than* 21:50 < BleuLlama> when I get frusttrated with a problem, I *should* sleep on it, but i sit in bed, unable to fall asleep, cause I'm bugged with trying to figure out what's wrong... heh 21:50 < fre_ber> Been there, done that... ;) 21:51 < courtc> Yea, this damn irc bot is aggrivating.. Its been seghfaulting on the dumbest things.. Like now its a printf 21:51 < Hostile> I hate that 21:52 < fre_ber> irc bot? 21:52 < courtc> yea, in c 21:52 < BleuLlama> a lot of times, when i see segfaults in printf, it's usually due to overwritting ram (going past ends of buffers) and the like elsewhere in the code. 21:52 < fre_ber> What will it do? Pass the Turing test? I love that stuff. :) 21:52 < BleuLlama> dbx and gdb are your friends. ;) 21:53 < courtc> yea. I'm in gdb now, and have been for hours 21:55 * fre_ber gets a chill down his spine, realizing that courtc is a bot and always has been... 21:55 < veteran_BAH> http://ipodlinux.org/User_talk:Gibb89 21:55 -!- veteran_BAH is now known as veteran 21:55 < veteran> bah! 21:55 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by ChanServ 21:56 < courtc> hah I have all the protocols'n stuff down.. I'm just working on a string parser :/ 21:56 < dolph1n> FUCK 21:56 < dolph1n> I meant to do rm -rf /lib 21:56 < dolph1n> * rm -rf lib 21:57 < dolph1n> but I did rm -rf /lib 21:57 < dolph1n> Fuck 21:57 < dolph1n> thats embarrasing 21:57 < courtc> hahaha 21:57 < Dr_Unvisible> do rm -rif next time 21:57 < Dr_Unvisible> i think its "i" 21:57 < dolph1n> -rif is for pussys 21:57 < fre_ber> That's what you get for being logged in as root. 21:57 < dolph1n> Yeah 21:57 < dolph1n> But I have to be logged in as root to do this 21:57 < dolph1n> Fuuuck... 21:58 < Dr_Unvisible> pussys? or people who dont fuck everything up? 21:58 < dolph1n> new slackware install after this shutdown I think 21:58 < dolph1n> root@darkstar:/home/thom# ls /lib 21:58 < dolph1n> bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory 21:58 < dolph1n> fuuuuccckkk..... 21:59 < dolph1n> someone wanna fix it for me if I give them a shell? :) 22:00 < courtc> dolph1n, I doubt you can give anyone a shell.. 22:00 < dolph1n> Haha 22:00 < dolph1n> good point 22:00 < dolph1n> shiat 22:00 < dolph1n> ah well 22:00 < dolph1n> at least this time I'll think not to have a 1 gigabye swap partition 22:00 < BleuLlama> when working with decimal numbers on the ipod, is it quicker to use double or float? 22:00 < dolph1n> (wtf was I thinking?) 22:01 < dolph1n> I'm blaming this on you, #ipodlinux 22:01 < courtc> BleuLlama, hmm.. probably double.. but I really cant say for sure.. 22:01 < dolph1n> I had to install some stuff as root 22:01 < dolph1n> IT'S YOUR FAULT! 22:01 < BleuLlama> okey. i'll start with that then. thanks courtc. :) 22:01 < fre_ber> I would guess the opposite... ;) 22:02 < BleuLlama> heh 22:02 < dolph1n> dammit 22:02 < fre_ber> But I have no real science to back it up. :) 22:02 < dolph1n> I'd just got my mouse scroll wheel working just right aswell 22:02 < fre_ber> Other than more bits=>more time... 22:03 * BleuLlama likes code re-use; using a set of matrix manipulations routines originally written 1996-June-06. heh. 22:03 < fre_ber> lol 22:03 < BleuLlama> well, i'll try it both ways later on then, to see which seems quicker. 22:04 < dolph1n> ok, I'm gonna try and fix this stupid error 22:04 < courtc> fre_ber, thats not always true.. for instance its faster to changes a byte that a single bit... 22:04 < dolph1n> later guys 22:04 < courtc> than* 22:04 < dolph1n> sure you don't wanna send me /lib on a CD before I go? 22:04 < dolph1n> pah 22:04 -!- dolph1n [1000@81-86-234-238.dsl.pipex.com] has quit ["cunts. IT'S YOUR FAULT"] 22:05 < fre_ber> courtc: True. 22:05 < veteran> that dolphin should wipe that 1337 off of his tail 22:05 < courtc> haha... 22:09 < Dr_Unvisible> i dont understand how he broke 2 ipods 22:10 -!- casper [~shy@c-66-176-164-211.se.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 22:10 < casper> sup ppl 22:14 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-33-164-40.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:18 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-33-164-40.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:18 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o courtc ] by ChanServ 22:20 < casper> i got a question regarding to ipodlinux 22:21 < courtc> great, so gdb chased my computer :p 22:21 < fre_ber> "chased"? 22:21 < fre_ber> I'd like to see that. :) 22:22 < courtc> er.. crashed 22:22 < fre_ber> :) 22:23 < casper> if i install linux on ipod i can run 2 diffrent ipod such as linux/default (mac) ? 22:23 < fre_ber> "2 diffrent ipod"? Am I exceptionally dense today? I can't understand what people say. 22:24 < leachbj> night all 22:24 < fre_ber> Night. I should go too. 22:24 < casper> i mean the os ipod uses such as mac 22:24 < courtc> night 22:24 < leachbj> btw we can decrypt the firmware now :) 22:25 < fre_ber> Great! 22:25 * leachbj is back (gone 07:13:34) 22:25 < courtc> :) 22:25 < casper> or should i say firmware 22:25 < fre_ber> iPod never has and never will run mac os. 22:25 < casper> i can run linux and mac firmware on a ipod at the sametime ? 22:26 < BleuLlama> you can switch when you reset the ipod 22:26 < fre_ber> Why do you insist on calling it mac, xasper? 22:26 < casper> and the linux has more features that mac would have right 22:27 < BleuLlama> somewhat. 22:27 < casper> ok 22:27 < BleuLlama> you can record at higher bitrates, and there are more games supported, but sound playback isn't as good as apple's... and there's no sleep on it yet (afaik) 22:27 < Jonas_NZ> did leachbj just leave or did he com eback 22:28 < Jonas_NZ> im confused? 22:28 -!- tlg [~tlg@214-225.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 22:28 < fre_ber> I think he left. :) 22:28 < Jonas_NZ> yeah but why did he change from away to back then? 22:28 < courtc> I think he typed /away... 22:29 < casper> BleuLlama: linux is also working on the ipod u2 right ? 22:29 < courtc> no, its not 22:30 < courtc> nor the 4g,mini or photo.. 22:30 < macPod> bak 22:30 < BleuLlama> no 22:30 < Hostile> u2 is a 4g 22:30 < BleuLlama> U2,4g,Mini,Photo aren't done yet. 22:31 < casper> ok 22:31 < Hostile> but my precious 3g is 22:31 < BleuLlama> and 1g and 2g don't have audio recording, but that's a hardware limitation 22:31 < Hostile> I wonder...if Apple is still making firmware for the 3g's 22:31 < courtc> eh.. u2 is slimmer than a 4g.. 22:31 < casper> BleuLlama: tnx 4 the help 22:31 < BleuLlama> U2 is the same as a 4g, but with different color plastic 22:32 < courtc> BleuLlama, _and_ its slimmer 22:32 < BleuLlama> U2 is thinner than a 20 gig? 22:32 < courtc> isnt it? 22:32 < BleuLlama> i thought it was the same... 22:32 * BleuLlama looks it up at apple.com 22:32 < courtc> are the 40gigs fatter than the 20gigs? 22:32 < BleuLlama> YES 22:32 < BleuLlama> er. yes 22:32 < courtc> oh 22:33 < courtc> never seen a 20gig 22:33 < BleuLlama> i have a 20 gig. :) 22:33 < BleuLlama> http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html 22:33 < courtc> I trust you.. 22:34 < BleuLlama> yeah. 20gig thickness == U2. 22:34 < Hostile> yeah 22:34 < BleuLlama> thought you might want to check. It wasnt a trust issue. ;) 22:34 < Hostile> because the U2 is the 20gb 22:34 < Jonas_NZ> just different color 22:34 < Hostile> yep 22:34 < BleuLlama> 20gb=.57", 40gb=.69", photo=.75"(!!!) 22:35 < BleuLlama> that's insanely thick. heh 22:35 < Hostile> Yeah 3/4 of an inch = big 22:36 < courtc> well.. I gotta eat sometime. 22:40 < BleuLlama> i was at a friend's house on sunday, and he as a 3g 40gb, and man, that thing was thick... i can't imagine the photo... 22:40 * BleuLlama is used to his tiny 20gb 22:40 < Hostile> Yeah I have a 3g 15gb...its tiny 22:41 < BleuLlama> i wish my g4 had the trackwheel of the 3g... i like the feel of it more than my click wheel. 22:41 < BleuLlama> it's a lot easier to spin through long lists without your finger sliding off. ;) 22:41 < BleuLlama> <- lazy 22:41 < Jonas_NZ> ^ Lazy 22:42 < Hostile> Yeah...my friend has a click wheel 4g...but I love my 3g scroll wheel 22:42 < BleuLlama> and although it takes more care to deal with, i think i like the 1g's wheel a lot more than the 3g's 22:42 < BleuLlama> (mechanical) 22:43 < BleuLlama> anyhoo. 22:43 < Hostile> I've only used a 3g..so ;) 22:45 < BleuLlama> most of my friends have 3g's 22:47 < Hostile> Yeah 4g's were out when I got mine...but I just got a 3g off ebay for 100 dollars cheaper than a 4g 22:48 < BleuLlama> sure. 22:49 < BleuLlama> if i would have bought one, it prolly would have been a 3g, but this was a gift from my parents... (best birthday present they ever gave me) 22:49 < Hostile> and I can use linux on it ;) 22:49 < BleuLlama> yep, heh 22:49 < Hostile> Yeah...mine was a gift too...but my parents would only spend 200 on me 22:50 < BleuLlama> and within like 3 days of getting it, i was going to london and paris on my honeymoon, so while cramming to get evyerthing done for our reception, i was also constantly ripping CDs to it. heh. 22:51 < Hostile> lol 22:51 < BleuLlama> and at the same time, my Belkin friend gave me a box full of accessories for it. :D 22:51 < Hostile> I use linux on my computer but I like AAC so I rip my cds on my Windows computer 22:51 < Hostile> lucky...tell him to send some my way 22:51 < BleuLlama> flip case, media reader, car adapters, fm transmitter, microphone, etc... 22:51 < BleuLlama> heh. i used to have the 50% off code for their website... 22:52 < BleuLlama> well, i still have it, but it doesn't work anymore. 22:52 < BleuLlama> "12345" believe it or not. 22:52 < BleuLlama> heh 22:52 < Hostile> lol 22:52 < Hostile> I want the fm transmitter and mic 22:52 < BleuLlama> i've since gotten SendStation Pocketdocks, a regular apple dock and some other things.. 22:53 < Jonas_NZ> i have an iTrip 22:53 < Hostile> mine came with a dock 22:53 < Jonas_NZ> but i dont hav anything else yet 22:53 < BleuLlama> the mic works well. I recorded various things while on our trip.. sheep bleating at Stonehenge, subways, etc. 22:53 < BleuLlama> the 20gb didn;t come with a dock. just the dock cable. 22:53 < Jonas_NZ> in a few days im getting an Exo4 iSkin for it 22:53 < BleuLlama> i had one. it scuffed up the front of my ipod 22:53 < Hostile> I'm saving up now for some iCleaner 22:54 < Hostile> so I can take my scratches off my screen 22:54 < Hostile> and I just replaced the battery in it 22:54 < BleuLlama> some dust got between the skin and the pod, and got stuck in there, and just moving it around scuffed it all up. 22:54 < BleuLlama> now i just throw the pod in my pocket, or into the belkin flip case. 22:54 < Hostile> yeah thats what everyone says happens 22:54 < Hostile> so I just use mine bare 22:54 < Hostile> I have an iSkin tho 22:55 < BleuLlama> i try to take care of it, but shit happens, you know? 22:55 < Jonas_NZ> yeah and cos its so shiny all the minor scratches shwo up 22:56 < BleuLlama> yep 22:56 < BleuLlama> anyway. i'm outta here. see yas later. 22:56 < Hostile> cya 22:56 < Jonas_NZ> l8r 22:57 < Hostile> thats the most I've talked in here in a while 22:57 < fre_ber> later 23:11 -!- jp31173 [~chatzilla@ool-18e400e7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:11 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #iPodLinux [] 23:11 < Thijs> goodnigh ! 23:11 < Thijs> till tomorrow :) 23:12 -!- Thijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 23:19 < yortje> a lot of times, when i see segfaults in printf, it's usually due to overwritting ram (going past ends of buffers) and the like elsewhere in the code. 23:19 < yortje> What will it do? Pass the Turing test? I love that stuff. :) 23:19 < yortje> dbx and gdb are your friends. ;) 23:19 < yortje> yea. I'm in gdb now, and have been for hours 23:19 < yortje> * fre_ber gets a chill down his spine, realizing that courtc is a bot and always has been... 23:19 < yortje> http://ipodlinux.org/User_talk:Gibb89 23:19 < yortje> * veteran_BAH is now known as veteran 23:19 -!- yortje [~erjkfdsoi@h82151162044.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [] 23:22 -!- matthis [~mat@82-35-25-2.cable.ubr04.hari.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #iPodLinux 23:23 < matthis> Hi 23:23 < matthis> How's everyone? (anyone here? ;) 23:23 < Jonas_NZ> hmm, Jonas_NZ is not here 23:23 < macPod> ja 23:24 < matthis> just thought I'd give a small break to the cultural revolution and say hello 23:24 < matthis> oh, @macPod, did the japanese guy complete the translation? 23:24 < macPod> yup 23:25 < matthis> ok cool 23:25 < macPod> pretty quickly too 23:25 < matthis> nice 23:25 < macPod> but not as fast as the chinese translation 23:25 < macPod> the person finished it in about 30 minutes + 15 min for the read me] 23:25 < matthis> lol! wow.. 23:29 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:30 -!- earnan [~earnan@216-15-6-46.c3-0.sfpo-ubr1.sfrn-sfpo.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #iPodLinux 23:30 < earnan> hello 23:31 -!- matthis [~mat@82-35-25-2.cable.ubr04.hari.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 23:32 < macPod> http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5668.html 23:34 < earnan> that's sick! 23:35 -!- snooo [~chatzilla@82-36-65-161.cable.ubr01.harb.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 23:35 -!- bogeyman [~os_proxy@24-165-22-162.san.rr.com] has quit [] 23:47 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:51 < Jonas_NZ> you guys remember that SNOJOBED article? 23:55 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:56 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@219-88-56-221.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:57 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@219-88-56-221.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux --- Log closed Tue Jan 11 00:00:00 2005