--- Log opened Mon Jan 10 00:00:02 2005
00:01 < coob> only on weekends.
00:02 < snooo> muh
00:05 < bogeyman> is it safe to change graphics and font on a 4g ipod with ipod wizard?
00:05 < coob> why dont you ask the developers?
00:05 < macpod> if it messes with the flash no.
00:05 < macpod> coob has a good point
00:05 < macpod> they should tell you of the errors
00:06 < bogeyman> i think ill just wait for linux
00:08 < bogeyman> have you guys ever heard of an ipod dying from linux?
00:08 < coob> only unless you have nfc about what're doing.
00:09 < bogeyman> nfc? lol
00:09 < coob> no fucking clue.
00:09 < bogeyman> ah
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00:13 < macpod> what is the point of the rsb arm instruction? why not just flip the registers around when programming?
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00:29 < Wammy> anyone familiar with gcc and os x?
00:29 < phildev> yes
00:29 < BleuLlama> yep
00:29 < Wammy> im having a problem
00:29 < Wammy> all my includes (like stdlib.h) arnt there.....
00:29 < BleuLlama> did you install the developer tools?>
00:30 < Wammy> not entirely
00:30 < Wammy> lol
00:30 < BleuLlama> duh
00:30 < Wammy> oh bah ok
00:30 < Wammy> i have 'December 2002 Dev Tools'
00:30 < Wammy> that it?
00:31 < phildev> Xcode 1.5 is the last
00:31 < Wammy> but that needs like 1.2GB of space
00:31 < Wammy> i only got 1.9 available
00:31 < BleuLlama> you're SOL then
00:31 < Wammy> SOL?
00:31 < BleuLlama> Shit out of luck
00:32 < phildev> Ha, just buy a little new disk
00:32 < Wammy> laptop
00:32 < phildev> Or install Xcode on your iPOD
00:32 < BleuLlama> sidente: I've noticed that OS X gets unhappy with > 500mb free, and VERY Unhappy with >200mb free (on your boot disk). less than that, and apps start forgetting preferences, and other bad things happen
00:32 < Wammy> they are a bit expensive
00:33 < BleuLlama> i've got a 20 gig in my laptop, i always keep around 1 gig free
00:34 < Wammy> well this is the old ibook that came with a 6gb drive
00:34 < Wammy> i have to go through it and see wtf is taking up so much space
00:34 < phildev> Wammy could u put some big files elsewhere from your boot volume, your iTunes music library for instance
00:35 < Wammy> i dont have any music on it
00:35 < Wammy> for the same reason that i dont have any space
00:35 < Wammy> all my music is on this computer
00:35 < phildev> what's your boot partition size ?
00:35 < Wammy> 6gb
00:35 < phildev> ah ok, short indeed
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00:35 < Wammy> well this is the old ibook that came with a 6gb drive
00:36 < Synapse-> owned.
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00:36 < phildev> I think u can buy a new disk, install a fresh OS X on it and all the dev tools
00:37 < Wammy> true
00:37 < Synapse-> Though I have a 6G imac.
00:37 < Wammy> i dont have the money atm tho
00:37 < Synapse-> phildev: installing your own stuff is bad.
00:37 < phildev> ?
00:37 < Synapse-> Seriously, get an apple tech to do it, warranty or not.
00:37 < Wammy> Synapse-: the hard drive is right under the keyboard
00:37 < Wammy> i can do it myself
00:38 < phildev> ah, I'm not thinking of replacing his drive, but adding a new external one to boot on it
00:38 < Synapse-> Aaah.
00:38 < Synapse-> Then that's fine.
00:38 < BleuLlama> or just an external for user files. $40 gets you a firewire case, $80 gets you a 130 gig+ disk
00:38 < phildev> Yes
00:39 * BleuLlama looks up prices
00:39 < BleuLlama> $80 gets ou a 180 gig disk. dayem
00:39 < Synapse-> I'm gonna need to get me a big disk for my audio soon :\
00:40 < phildev> He can seek for a 40 gig on ebay
00:40 < Wammy> should i install the Developer Documentation? its 657mb i could use.
00:40 < phildev> arround 15 dol
00:40 < phildev> No u can discard that
00:41 < phildev> I'd rather look at them on ADC site
00:42 < phildev> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/
00:43 * Wammy bookmarks
00:43 < phildev> who is using the Zaurus cross compiler for ipod builds?
00:44 < phildev> http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Zaurus-X-gcc
00:47 < phildev> tomorrow will be another day, good night
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00:58 < bogeyman> wtf... i just made the account bogeyman for ipodlinux.org and i cant log on ... i go to forgot password i enter my email and name and it says emails wrong
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01:04 < K-LO> Hmmm...
01:05 < K-LO> Anyone?
01:05 < coob> ?
01:05 < K-LO> ...so many people and no one discussing anything...
01:06 < coob> it's late.
01:06 < coob> in europe.
01:06 < coob> there is more than one timezone in the world.
01:06 < jintonic> but only one that matters
01:06 < jintonic> GMT -8
01:06 < jintonic> :)
01:06 < coob> who the hell uses GMT
01:06 < K-LO> :-/ that was a little harsh coob...
01:06 < coob> you mean UTC.
01:06 < K-LO> I know...but look at how many r here
01:07 < coob> half of them enevr talk anyway
01:07 < coob> one is a bot.
01:07 < courtc> i use GMT-5 dicktooth.. :p
01:07 < K-LO> lol ohh
01:07 < coob> one is a clone
01:07 < coob> you missed all the exciting sstuff with the 4g deving over the weekend
01:07 < coob> (check the irc logs/wiki)
01:08 < courtc> and soon.. the blog
01:08 < K-LO> damn...
01:08 < K-LO> so how soon?
01:08 < K-LO> I can't wait
01:08 < jintonic> yup, its usually active from about 3am to 7am my time zone (california)
01:08 < courtc> I bet you can.. :D
01:09 < K-LO> lol...im gonna hafta...
01:09 < K-LO> ha jintonic... im on the other side of the states
01:09 < jintonic> because davidc and nilss are talking about hacking the 4g at that time
01:09 < jintonic> they're the main guys hacking it
01:09 < K-LO> wow...that early?
01:09 < jintonic> they're not in the usa...
01:10 < K-LO> ahhh...that explains it
01:10 < jintonic> er... davidc is in canada i think
01:10 < jintonic> i think nilss is in germany
01:10 < K-LO> lol..big distance
01:10 < jintonic> actually, i think davidc is in brit columbia so he's in the same time zone as me
01:11 < K-LO> lol..well thats 12 for me then
01:11 < K-LO> ill check back later
01:11 < courtc> yep hes gmt-8
01:12 < jintonic> he is an entire time zone?
01:12 < K-LO> :-)
01:12 < courtc> of course
01:13 < jintonic> jeez, no wonder he's so good with computers, if he rolled over he'd probably kill at least 100k people
01:13 < K-LO> do u guys hav a 4g ipod?
01:14 < jintonic> i have ipod mini
01:14 < K-LO> ahh...i love those things...my friend has one
01:14 < jintonic> most people have 4g full
01:14 < K-LO> i meant 4th gen
01:16 < K-LO> has anyone tried defragging the ipod harddrive?
01:16 < jintonic> well, the mini, 20gB and photo are all 4th generation ipods
01:16 < jintonic> whats the point?
01:16 < K-LO> to get more space
01:16 < K-LO> if any...
01:16 < jintonic> minimal
01:17 < K-LO> ya...i realized that after i did it
01:17 < bogeyman> i want linux on my 4g right now :<
01:17 < K-LO> me 2
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01:18 < bogeyman> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5741913504&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
01:18 < jintonic> me too, i'd work on the voice recording, thats my main reason for wanting linux on my ipod
01:18 < courtc> actually apple considers the photo to be a 5th gen..
01:18 < bogeyman> is that an easy fix?
01:18 < K-LO> ya....I think I would to coutc
01:19 < courtc> bogeyman, sounds like a dummy selling a perfectly fine ipod..
01:19 < jintonic> :-/ yeah, i guess photo does differentiate enough to be a different generation
01:20 < bogeyman> really
01:20 < bogeyman> think i should buy it?
01:21 < bogeyman> i have a 4g u2 ipod.....
01:21 < courtc> its up to you bogeyman...
01:22 < K-LO> i dont like the u2 personally
01:22 < bogeyman> how exactly would i fix it... just reformat it right?>
01:22 < jintonic> i wouldn't, because if its irrepairable (within just means) then you're out $100 for a brick
01:22 < jintonic> possibly
01:22 < jintonic> for $50 i'd probably chance it
01:22 < bogeyman> ya.
01:23 < bogeyman> i hate how those people just bid after bid to get the price up
01:23 < bogeyman> or is it the automatic bid thing
01:24 < K-LO> sniper or proxy bidding
01:25 < K-LO> it could be either
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01:25 < K-LO> is this the hacker dude?
01:25 < K-LO> jintonic?
01:26 < BleuLlama> bogey: that's called "shilling".
01:26 < BleuLlama> you get some of your friends (or jhave extra accounts) to bid on the item to raise its price
01:26 < bogeyman> ya
01:26 < BleuLlama> it's a really crap thing to do
01:27 < bogeyman> ya
01:27 < bogeyman> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5742511997&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
01:27 < bogeyman> this one look good?
01:29 < K-LO> ahh...
01:29 < K-LO> never tested?
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01:32 < snooo> ugh
01:32 < snooo> the u2 is quite nice to look at one the front
01:33 < snooo> but the writing on the back sucks
01:33 < bogeyman> lol
01:34 < BleuLlama> they should have done a dark titanium back, or an andoized aluminum back; keep it all black..
01:35 < BleuLlama> and now, they should offer various colors. The black with the red looks like a black cat walking away from you.
01:35 < BleuLlama> it should have been all black
01:35 < snooo> i dunno
01:35 < snooo> i like the whiteness
01:35 < snooo> the mini struck me as a little garish
01:36 < snooo> i wish my 4g would hurry up and turn up tho
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01:37 < bogeyman> http://ipods4less.com/
01:37 < bogeyman> wow that 10gb ipod only is cheap
01:39 < snooo> $169.... ooh thats almost £90
01:40 < snooo> bargain
01:42 < snooo> with the dollar as it is, i'm tempted to get accessories on that site
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01:49 < djfire> muhahaha... imm backkk!
01:50 < Ciaran> I need to go now.
01:50 < Ciaran> See ya.
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01:57 < djfire> time to learn c :-D
02:00 < jintonic> c < c++
02:00 < jintonic> 1 less, actually :)
02:01 < courtc> c=(c++)--
02:01 < jintonic> yeah, but that just kills readability and it useless
02:02 < jintonic> :)
02:02 < courtc> but then again c+=c++
02:03 < jintonic> heh
02:04 < davidc__> yay! found the images in nilss boot data and the functions that draw them
02:04 < davidc__> and the image records
02:04 < jintonic> more efficient than c = c + c + 1 but more complicated to decipher
02:04 < davidc__> I might actually have some 4g lcd test code soon!
02:05 < jintonic> nice!
02:05 < courtc> gj davidc__ ..
02:07 < davidc__> 4g ppl,
02:07 < davidc__> on boot, after putting a new apple version on
02:07 < davidc__> and its updating the flash
02:07 < courtc> unite!
02:07 < davidc__> it shows a little icon of a power plug going into the wall right?
02:08 < davidc__> and a progress bar beneath that?
02:08 < jintonic> i think so
02:09 < jintonic> oh! for the people who write the 4g gui: make sure its scalable to the ipod mini
02:10 < courtc> jintonic, thats your job, mr order the devs around
02:10 < djfire> lol
02:10 < jintonic> its a feature request...
02:11 < djfire> isent the gui universal for the gens?...
02:11 < courtc> so far..
02:12 < jintonic> but mini has a mini screen
02:12 < djfire> so technically he would never be awnsered cause no ones working on the "4g gui"
02:13 < jintonic> well it'd be kinda silly to neglect everyone who has an ipod mini
02:14 < courtc> suprisingly enough, the gui is already fairly scalable.. and the microwindows source that podzilla is based on already accounts for the ipod minis screen size
02:14 < jintonic> assuming that the ipod mini uses less pixels... i dunno, seems like it woudl tho
02:14 < jintonic> cool
02:14 < jintonic> theoretically?
02:14 < djfire> yea. havet got minis working to test it out on ;)
02:15 < jintonic> yeah
02:16 < djfire> anyways... back to coding a useless program that counts characters i type... :*( well everyones gotta start somewhere
02:16 < jintonic> but if someone writes an app for ipodlinux that uses static gui dimensions then it wouldn't be scalable i figure
02:16 < djfire> probably not
02:17 < jintonic> yeah, don't worry about reinventing the wheel, that's the best way to learn why it works
02:17 < jintonic> what kinda coding have you done in the past?
02:17 < djfire> once i get the c down ill use it to create a programing lang that uses ebonic ;)
02:17 < jintonic> haha
02:18 < jintonic> putyoshitonthascreen "yo werld!";)
02:18 < djfire> instead of for(... it will be fo(...
02:18 < Wammy> Luke: do you know C ?
02:19 < djfire> i got into the bad habit of learning visual basic ;)
02:19 < djfire> so i trashed my windows and installed linux
02:19 < Wammy> djfire: ive trashed windows many times
02:19 < Wammy> and yet still here i am :/
02:19 < jintonic> yeah, me too, but its a good tool for making little stuff quick and easy
02:20 < djfire> last time i reinstalled windows...
02:20 < djfire> 12/21
02:20 < djfire> 04
02:20 < Wammy> Operating System: (WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)) ¤ Installed: (XP was installed 1wk 6days 22hrs 28mins 8secs) ¤ Uptime: (2d 3h 52m 38s)
02:20 < Wammy> i win!
02:20 < djfire> lol
02:20 * BleuLlama yawns
02:20 < djfire> do we bore you?
02:21 * davidc__ reads up... jintonic was ordering the devs around?
02:21 < djfire> lol
02:21 < davidc__> cue ominous music.
02:21 < jintonic> i want ipodlinux's gui to be able to work on ipod mini
02:21 < bogeyman> Operating System: (WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)) ¤ Installed: (XP was installed 0wk 0days 2hrs 46mins 54secs) ¤ Uptime: (2d 3h 52m 38s)
02:21 < jintonic> feature request == ordering around the devs
02:21 < djfire> so.. did you guys succed in the buzdump?
02:22 < Wammy> lol thats such a fake
02:22 < bogeyman> lol
02:23 < djfire> i offered to open my pod and soilder my mic to the board.. but no one awnserd me.. lol
02:23 < djfire> would have benn almost 100% better than putting a mic on the top of it
02:23 < davidc__> well, it suceeded, thats what mattered.
02:23 < davidc__> Wammy: Fake?
02:23 < bogeyman> ETA on linux for 4g?
02:24 < djfire> NO
02:24 < djfire> never ask and dev for an ETA
02:24 < djfire> a*
02:24 < davidc__> HAHHAHAHA! I JUST PUSHED IT BACK 4 years! HAHHAHA
02:24 < djfire> cause they are never sure ;)
02:24 < jintonic> an was right
02:24 < bogeyman> lol
02:24 < jintonic> woops, wrong part
02:25 < davidc__> bogeyman: we made some big breakthroughs in the last 2 days, but don't expect anything soon
02:25 < bogeyman> k
02:25 < davidc__> and by soon I mean within the next century
02:25 < bogeyman> lol
02:26 < bogeyman> i want to buy a 3g
02:26 < bogeyman> so i can get it now
02:26 < jintonic> corrections are generally useless, pretty much everyone can figure out what you're saying even if you say : yew aer getng pridy smellie
02:26 < bogeyman> garr this is pissing me off.. i made the account bogeyman on your website and i cant get on it
02:28 < courtc> not that I can fix anything but: on the wiki or the forums?
02:28 < bogeyman> nvm i got it
02:29 < bogeyman> umm it was on the ipodlinux.org forums
02:38 < djfire> davidc__: think you can make me something with the 4g lcd test code that displays the penguin ;)
02:41 < jintonic> isn't the boot-up penguin rendered from a jpeg?
02:41 < bogeyman> i <3 the penguin
02:42 < bogeyman> {__ {_______
02:42 < bogeyman> {__ {__ {__ {__ {__ {_
02:43 < jintonic> that's... emm... yeah... that's just great :)
02:43 < bogeyman> ty
02:44 < bogeyman> i want a 3g :<
02:44 < jintonic> is that supposed to be a ascii art or something?
02:45 < bogeyman> i was gonna finish it but it wouldnt look good in mirc
02:46 < jintonic> its looking like : L L(long)
L L L L L L(short)
02:46 < jintonic> that's in xchat
02:49 < bogeyman> oh
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03:04 < bogeyman> hmm im thinking about using ipodwizard to change the name of my ipod on top and the boot up logo
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03:05 < jintonic> do it then
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03:11 < bogeyman> i dont want to mess up my ipod
03:12 < courtc> don't do it then
03:14 < bogeyman> bleh
03:14 < bogeyman> has anyone here done it?
03:18 < davidc__> fairly soon I'll need another 4g sacrificial victem
03:18 < davidc__> anyone gonna be around for the next hour with a 4g?
03:18 < bogeyman> me
03:18 < BleuLlama> i am
03:18 < bogeyman> wait... sacrificial victim
03:19 < bogeyman> does that mean your going to kill it?
03:19 < courtc> the first one didnt give you enough life davidc__?
03:19 < davidc__> nah, he seems to have gone
03:20 < davidc__> boogeyman: If you don't know how to back up your firmware using dd
03:20 < davidc__> and be prepared to restore,
03:20 < davidc__> you're not my kind of victem :)
03:20 < jintonic> davidc: my ipod mini would be ok to victimize after i make an image of it
03:20 < davidc__> need a 4g
03:20 < Hostile> heh I would help ya but I have a 3g
03:21 < davidc__> this LCD test code will be written for the 4g
03:22 < davidc__> Cmon victims
03:22 < davidc__> be the first on your block to have scrambled random data written to your lcd
03:22 < bogeyman> i will if u tell me how to back it up
03:23 < bogeyman> bleullama might be a better pick though..
03:23 < jintonic> so write it for the mini til you can find someone dumb enough to junk their 4g too :D
03:23 < davidc__> jintonic: I don't have a firmware dump of the mini
03:23 < davidc__> jintonic: I only got one for the 4g, so thats what I've been analyzing
03:24 < davidc__> oh, and you should be using a mac or linux box on it
03:24 < jintonic> linux
03:24 < Hostile> damn I'm a perfect canidate if I had a 4g
03:24 < Hostile> jintonic: distro?
03:24 < jintonic> ubuntu
03:24 < Hostile> wtf is that?
03:24 < jintonic> a kickass one
03:24 < davidc__> jintonic: well, you can try the code
03:24 < davidc__> jintonic: Might work
03:24 < jintonic> based off debian
03:24 < davidc__> jintonic: maybe.
03:25 < jintonic> ok
03:25 < Hostile> I use archlinux
03:25 < davidc__> jintonic: do you know how to patch this code into the fw?
03:26 < davidc__> gah.. I wish nills was around
03:26 < davidc__> he has exactly what I need
03:26 < jintonic> nope
03:26 < Hostile> jintonic: get a newer kernel!
03:26 < courtc> davidc__, ooh ooh put it on my 1g... ;)
03:27 < bogeyman> who wants to sell me a 3g for 50 to 100 $ :)
03:27 < davidc__> heh, no need. I'll put it on my 1g :)
03:27 < carote> i'd do it but i have windows and don't know if i could patch the code
03:29 < davidc__> carote: nah
03:29 < jintonic> my philosphy on kernels: if it ain't broke don't fix it
03:29 < davidc__> carote: thats why I need mac or linux
03:29 < davidc__> carote: though, thanks for the offer.
03:29 < courtc> jintonic, so you're usin a 2.0.x ?
03:29 < jintonic> nah, 2.6.x
03:31 < courtc> Its funny, every time a new kernel comes out I'll 'make oldconfig' and install it.. but I never reboot.. so if the power fails.. I get a new kernel :)
03:32 < veteran> wow...
03:32 < veteran> that was good enough for me to speak.
03:32 < courtc> hah
03:32 < jintonic> haha
03:33 < jintonic> courtc: uptime?
03:33 < courtc> 22:37:28 up 8 days, 15:33, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.15, 0.10
03:34 < jintonic> 19:33:58 up 15:16, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04
03:34 < normalperson> is volume control supposed to work in podzilla? if so, where is it?
03:36 < courtc> normalperson, it does if you have uclinux-2.4.24-ipod1-5 or later I think
03:36 < carote> has anyone tried to get the FDK for the PP5020?
03:36 < normalperson> courtc: 1-5? I have 2 from cvs...
03:36 < courtc> same thing
03:38 < courtc> /dev/mixer
03:41 < courtc> oh, you're asking about podzilla...
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03:42 < courtc> mp3.c lines 159-183 372-375
03:43 < davidc__> carote: Yeah, I've tried to get info
03:43 < davidc__> carote: I don't even get a reply
03:43 < normalperson> ah ok, thanks
03:43 < davidc__> carote: bern was offered some info, but it all woulda been under nda.
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03:44 < bogeyman> if i won the lottery id donate 1 billion dollars to this
03:45 < carote> davidc_: i might of figured out a way to patch the code with windows
03:45 < courtc> bogeyman, the hell you would.. you'd go out and buy a expensive ass car.. and completly forget about ipodlinux
03:46 < normalperson> I only hack on software because I can't get girls
03:46 < veteran> hahahah i come back at the best times
03:46 < courtc> hahaha..
03:46 < carote> davidc_: i think it would be possible by replacing the resources in the updater
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03:46 < courtc> normalperson, where did that come from?
03:47 < davidc__> carote: yeah, thats possible, but not advised
03:47 < davidc__> the resources in the updater contain instructions to update the flash
03:47 < davidc__> the os ripped from the ipod does not
03:48 < normalperson> courtc: well, if I had a billion dollars, I'd probably have girls :)
03:48 < davidc__> and we avoid touching anything flash.
03:48 < davidc__> I get girls, its just that ipodlinux is far more interesting then the vast variety of them.
03:48 < veteran> was nilss' 8 hour piezo session successful?
03:48 < davidc__> veteran: yeah
03:48 < davidc__> we got a dump
03:49 < davidc__> I think I've reverse engineered enough to do lcd stuff on the 4g
03:49 < davidc__> I just need a 4g victim though
03:49 < courtc> haha davidc__, very true..
03:49 < veteran> can i have an mp3 of the beeping?
03:49 < veteran> (for sentimental reasons)
03:49 < davidc__> ask nills
03:49 < davidc__> he did the final decode
03:49 < carote> well i did separate the os from the flash stuff with the python code but i don't know how to put it back together again
03:52 < carote> i also do have a linux computer but i don't have the ipod setup on it yet
03:52 < carote> it looks pretty easy though
03:53 < davidc__> carote: I suggest getting it working on the linux comp
03:53 < davidc__> then you can be my test subject
03:55 < carote> yeah i'm about to do it now
03:56 < nilss> re.
03:57 < courtc> heh, hey nilss
04:01 < nilss> davidc__?
04:01 < nilss> i have now about 1.5h before i have to go to school ;)
04:01 < nilss> and after reading the backlog i think i'll boot up my laptop ;)
04:03 < nilss> mkay, it's up ;)
04:04 < nilss> ping?
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04:06 < bogeyman> yo homies
04:06 < courtc> whats up dog?
04:06 < bogeyman> nein fool
04:15 < davidc__> nilss: yay
04:16 < davidc__> ok
04:16 < davidc__> want to test some lcd stuff for me?
04:16 < nilss> yea
04:16 < davidc__> ok
04:16 < davidc__> I gotta write the code
04:16 < davidc__> gimme 15 mins
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04:20 < davidc__> nilss: how did you compile that beeper code?
04:21 < nilss> hmm used the tar from leachbj and only changed the mymain.c
04:21 < davidc__> could you send the tar to me?
04:21 < davidc__> I don't have it
04:22 < nilss> dcc?
04:22 < davidc__> nah
04:22 < davidc__> post on your website
04:23 < nilss> http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/nilss_dump.tgz
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04:29 < bogeyman> im getting new skins for windows
04:29 < bogeyman> its odd
04:29 < veteran> sinner
04:29 < carote> you don't mind if i get the tar too
04:30 < nilss> if i would i would have pasted the url in another channel ;)
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04:39 < nilss> veteran: you wanted an mp3 of the beeping, right?
04:39 < courtc> I think perhaps he was being sarcastic..
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04:40 < nilss> hmm anyway i'll make one ;)
04:40 < veteran> yes i did
04:40 < veteran> and was not being sarcastic
04:41 < courtc> oh... hard to tell sometimes
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04:42 < veteran> i usually conform to sarcasm standards...
04:42 < veteran> proper use of the tag
04:42 < courtc> :D
04:45 < davidc__> nilss: got a present for you :)
04:46 < davidc__> let me upload it
04:46 < davidc__> it will lock up at the end, after writing a bunch of garbage to the screen.
04:46 < davidc__> but. something should look different
04:47 < nilss> veteran: http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/beeping.mp3
04:47 < veteran> nilss, anything you need... ever.... let me know.
04:47 < veteran> haha
04:47 < davidc__> http://david.carne.ca/ipodlinux/lcd_test.bin
04:48 < davidc__> veteran: hey! I helped [a tiny bit] too! don't I get indentured subservience?
04:48 < courtc> haha
04:48 * veteran makes fake crackling noises
04:48 < veteran> i can't hear you, you're breaking up...
04:49 * bogeyman slaps veteran around a bit with a large trout
04:49 < davidc__> nilss: did it work?
04:49 < davidc__> nilss: did it? did it?
04:50 < nilss> http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/ipod4glcd.jpg
04:51 < davidc__> WOHOOO!
04:51 < davidc__> thats exactly what it is supposed to do!
04:51 < davidc__> write garbled data
04:51 < courtc> haha
04:51 < davidc__> at an unspecified location!
04:51 < davidc__> but that means I have the basic lcd reg
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04:51 < davidc__> mapped out
04:51 < davidc__> I can't tell
04:51 < davidc__> but is the garbled data slightly in the form of a pattern?
04:51 < nilss> yea
04:52 < nilss> like 4 pixels in height, than 2black, 1white, 1b, 1w, 2b, 1w, 1b, ...
04:52 < nilss> then*
04:53 < davidc__> yea.. that looks sort of right
04:54 < davidc__> I just went for the buckshot approach that time.
04:54 < davidc__> hopefully this should be a bit better
04:55 < davidc__> actualy, this one won't be
04:55 < davidc__> I
04:55 < davidc__> I still gotta decode the offset commands
04:56 < davidc__> nilss: grab the new one and post a screenshot if you don't midn
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04:56 < davidc__> this is exciting :)
04:56 * davidc__ goes to logon to wiki and make change
04:57 < courtc> even for a bystander
04:57 < nilss> looks almost the same
04:57 < veteran> i'm on the edge of my seat...
04:57 < veteran> actually i'm sitting on the floor which makes that quite difficult
04:57 < courtc> hah
04:58 < nilss> except it's starting in the middle of the screen and +3pixel from the top of the apple
04:58 < nilss> and it's from right to left
04:58 < davidc__> right to left?
04:58 < nilss> yea
04:59 < davidc__> the patter runs backwards?
04:59 < davidc__> was it always right to left?
04:59 < bogeyman> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=67836&item=5742656088&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
04:59 < nilss> it starts in the middle, goes to the left and wraps around the screen on pixel lower
04:59 < davidc__> did the first one do that?
04:59 < bogeyman> do u guys think that ipod can be fixed by reformating it?
04:59 < davidc__> the right-to-left part?
04:59 < davidc__> or did it take the whole screen?
04:59 < nilss> took the whole screen
05:02 < nilss> http://rafb.net/paste/results/7l2aTq29.html
05:03 < veteran> bogeyman nope that one looks deaded
05:03 < davidc__> ok, got one more test for you
05:03 < nilss> same url?
05:03 < davidc__> then I think I can do arbitrary graphics
05:04 < davidc__> just a sec
05:04 < davidc__> yeah
05:04 < davidc__> go ahead
05:05 < davidc__> I promise to give you all the info once I've got something working more than garble
05:05 < davidc__> nilss: This should just move once more.
05:05 < davidc__> nilss: Same pattern, [possibly slightly] different location
05:05 < nilss> http://rafb.net/paste/results/reMYbE57.html
05:06 < nilss> still starts at 1/3.5 of the screen vertically
05:06 < davidc__> ah
05:07 < davidc__> ok
05:07 < davidc__> hmm
05:07 < davidc__> not _quite what I expected
05:07 < davidc__> might be slightly different
05:08 < davidc__> ok
05:08 < davidc__> try now
05:08 < davidc__> should be at top of the screen
05:08 < nilss> it's at the bottom
05:09 < bogeyman> veteran: you really think so.. cuz its boots up and everything... but then it just has that folder and !
05:09 < nilss> 1 pixel height
05:09 < veteran> bogeyman - if it stopped working after a freeze, that's a baaaad sign.
05:09 < davidc__> nilss: its only 1 pixel high?!
05:10 < davidc__> hrm.
05:10 < nilss> yea
05:10 < nilss> and like ~60pixels from the right
05:11 < nilss> mhm mostlikely less
05:11 < davidc__> huh?
05:11 < davidc__> its 60 pixels from the right?
05:11 < davidc__> damn.
05:11 < davidc__> it should start at 0,0
05:11 < davidc__> sigh
05:12 < davidc__> well, 0,0 on the right
05:12 < nilss> coud you paste the code somewhere?
05:12 < davidc__> sure :)
05:12 < davidc__> its rather lengthy
05:12 < davidc__> will put on website
05:12 < veteran> diff lcd controller?
05:13 < nilss> k, only the mymain.c should be enough
05:13 < davidc__> yeah
05:13 < davidc__> I only modified the makefile
05:13 < davidc__> but thats easy enough
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05:15 < bogeyman> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=67838&item=5743209833&rd=1
05:15 < bogeyman> think that one would be fixed?
05:16 < BleuLlama> prolly needs a new drive
05:16 < davidc__> david.carne.ca/ipodlinux/lcd_test.c
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05:16 < davidc__> er
05:16 < davidc__> lcd_demo.c
05:16 < davidc__> enjoy. Its commented. sorta.
05:16 < nilss> 403?
05:16 < davidc__> crap
05:16 < davidc__> 1 sec
05:16 < davidc__> ok
05:16 < davidc__> go ahead
05:17 < davidc__> I'm gonna go take a peek at serial stuff
05:17 < bogeyman> dammit i want to find a 3g on ebay with that problem that you could easily fix
05:18 < davidc__> nilss: Simple eg?
05:18 < davidc__> er, eh
05:19 < nilss> yea
05:19 < davidc__> I can't wait till bern gets here. He'll be excited
05:20 < davidc__> I'm gonna go reverse engineer serial code now
05:20 < davidc__> actually, this lcd seems to behave a lot like the first gen one
05:21 < nilss> hu? now i got a solid line that wraps from bottom to top?
05:21 < davidc__> hmm?
05:21 < davidc__> ah
05:21 < davidc__> I changed the pattern code before sending it off
05:21 < davidc__> its now set to solid black
05:21 < davidc__> perhaps it was wrapping from bottom to top before.
05:23 < nilss> im getting closer :)
05:23 < nilss> this positioning stuff is confusing ;)
05:23 < nilss> but i got 4 pixels at 0,0 (top left)
05:25 < nilss> got it
05:25 < nilss> 3rd value 0x14 is top left
05:25 < nilss> 0x13 is 4 pixels to the right
05:25 < davidc__> ok, nilss try something for me:
05:25 < davidc__> outl(inl(lcd_base) | 0x02, lcd_base)
05:26 < davidc__> that should turn on the backlight
05:26 < nilss> 0x12 is 8 pixels to the right
05:27 < nilss> doesnt work
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05:27 < davidc__> nilss: wasn't sure if it would
05:27 < davidc__> nilss: It was a test from the previous firmware
05:30 < nilss> i think i got it
05:30 < davidc__> nilss: hmm, the code I wrote is practically identical to the current kernel code
05:30 < davidc__> they must be using the same chip
05:30 < davidc__> nilss: Care to beep something out?
05:30 < nilss> 2nd argument controls y from top to bottom
05:31 < nilss> 3rd is from right to left in 4 pixel steps
05:32 < nilss> 2nd argument is also in 4 line steps
05:32 < nilss> so i'd think there's another reg
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05:33 < davidc__> the right to left in 4 pixel steps is about right
05:33 < davidc__> as that is the minimum blit of data you can write to the controller.
05:33 < nilss> yea but top to bottom, too?
05:33 < davidc__> I don't know
05:33 < davidc__> it may be
05:33 < davidc__> these lcd's are typically funky :0
05:35 < davidc__> nilss
05:35 < davidc__> care to run:
05:36 < davidc__> err.
05:36 < davidc__> text goes to #ipodflood
05:36 < davidc__> jas
05:36 < nilss> k
05:36 < davidc__> care to run that code and beep out the result?
05:36 < davidc__> it should detect if the lcd controller chip is the same as on the 1st/2nd/3rd gen
05:38 < veteran> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g_PCB_Images
05:39 < davidc__> naw
05:39 < veteran> haha beeping is better
05:39 < davidc__> can't see it on there
05:39 < veteran> than reading blurry chips
05:39 < davidc__> the chip isn't labeld
05:39 < davidc__> its on a flexstrip to the lcd
05:39 < davidc__> you can't see it :)
05:39 < davidc__> so, we beep its id
05:40 < davidc__> nilss: any luck?
05:41 < nilss> seems to hang
05:41 < davidc__> hangs?
05:41 < davidc__> :9
05:42 < davidc__> err, :(
05:42 < nilss> anyways, have to go to school now ;)
05:42 < davidc__> ok
05:42 < davidc__> I'll stay up for a bit
05:42 < davidc__> wait for bern, so I can give him my disassembly db
05:42 < davidc__> so he doesn't have to start from scratch
05:44 < nilss> bye.
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06:07 < waltsdog> does anyone know the status of the progress for the 4g ipods?
06:11 * courtc coughs(title)
06:13 < BleuLlama> title
06:13 < BleuLlama> oops
06:13 < BleuLlama> wrong window
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06:34 < EvilDude> hey anyone here?
06:35 < courtc> yep
06:36 < EvilDude> you never leave the computer do you courtc
06:36 < veteran> actually courtc is a staff of 20 people
06:36 < courtc> haha veteran figured us out..
06:37 < EvilDude> lol wouldnt be too surprised
06:38 < EvilDude> courtc, i read you're testing the multiple podzilla thing, is it getting into cvs?
06:38 < courtc> EvilDude, i have no connection to my ipod :(
06:38 < EvilDude> ah thats the problem im facing at the moment too :(
06:39 < davidc__> courtc: [what happened?]
06:40 < courtc> my mobo died on me the week before christmas.. its enroute to the asus rma place..
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06:41 < EvilDude> hmm interesting, would this work for the iPod: http://www.ucdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/25/1126257&mode=thread
06:41 * davidc__ waits for bern
06:42 < macPod> evildude it involves altering the cross compiler
06:42 < macPod> and those instructions were only tested for m68k
06:42 < EvilDude> damn
06:43 < EvilDude> dlopen would make plugins so much easier!
06:44 < BleuLlama> -easier +possible
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06:45 < courtc> http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/ss.png <-- one of my 4 current desktops.. (1.3M)
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06:46 < jintonic> hi
06:46 < courtc> hey
06:47 < EvilDude> ok maybe the linker on the iPod is easier
06:49 < veteran> night all
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06:49 < davidc__> EvilDude:
06:49 < davidc__> A serious hack would be to generate PIC code
06:50 < davidc__> then use some linker/custom tool mangling to generate a symbol table
06:50 < davidc__> then when it wants to load a plugin, load the data into ram at any aligned address
06:50 < davidc__> [pic means position independant]
06:50 < EvilDude> ouch
06:50 < davidc__> and use the symbol table to populate function pointers
06:51 < davidc__> yes, thats horrible. but it might work
06:51 < BleuLlama> or just install the dev tools on the unit, and the first time you run it, it compiles a .c containing the libraries to use, and then links
06:51 < EvilDude> maybe we should just stick with a nice monolithic podzilla
06:52 < EvilDude> hmm BleuLlama: is it possible to compile a set of dev tools for the iPod on comp?
06:52 < macPod> Why not simple shared memory, that is already possible
06:52 < EvilDude> ?
06:52 < macPod> run nano-x as a server
06:53 < macPod> then just open connections
06:53 < EvilDude> wasnt that too slow though
06:53 < macPod> then events are shared, etc
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06:53 < macPod> not to my knowledge. courtc would be the authority on that however as they have probably done the most work (if any) on it
06:53 < Jonas_NZ> hey nilss: hows the dump going, you finished it off yet
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06:55 < macPod> you must have scared them davidc
06:56 < davidc__> that twas the intent
06:56 < EvilDude> this seems interesting: http://www.cadenux.com/xflat/
06:57 < courtc> EvilDude, it was a little too slow before the malloc speedup, havnt tried it since... dunno if it provide any speedup at all..
06:57 < macPod> when i tried it quickly (did not launch any apps) I did nto notice a speed decrease
06:58 < macPod> just make sure you add the & after nano-x otherwise the screen turns black
06:58 < courtc> haha..
06:58 < EvilDude> can one program access another program's functions by address?
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06:58 < courtc> there are a lot of optimizations i've been wanting to make to podzilla anywho..
06:59 < Jonas_NZ> nills: you have the dump of the flash?
06:59 < EvilDude> what sort of optimizations
07:00 < courtc> stuff like the menu..
07:00 < EvilDude> i was hoping more so mp3 decoding :p
07:01 < courtc> it changes the gc then draws the text out every time.. the text could be drawn to a pixmap then XORed on the screen
07:02 < EvilDude> why optimize the menu? is it that slow atm ?
07:02 < courtc> well, to slow for me :D
07:02 < EvilDude> work on figuring out the second cpu!! :p
07:03 < courtc> not to mention that it would make scrolling text <- -> easy to implement
07:03 < EvilDude> oo well in that case its good
07:04 < courtc> anywho its something that i _want_ to work on.. but there are more pressing things..
07:04 < davidc__> EvilDude: I'm working on that. There are some issues. I'll get the second cpu working. Maybe.
07:04 < macPod> like tic tac toe :)
07:04 < EvilDude> hehe
07:04 < Jonas_NZ> leachbj, do you know if nilss finished dumping the flash?
07:04 * BleuLlama has vector text working, and is dropping in a vector font. :D
07:05 < EvilDude> davidc: wooot! lol will the second cpu help in doing more than one thing and preferably play music properly
07:05 < davidc__> Jonas_NZ: Yes he did
07:05 < davidc__> Jonas_NZ: and using that, we have the lcd on the 4g sortof under our control
07:06 < Jonas_NZ> ok cool, ill talk to nilss l8r on, oh ok cool
07:06 < davidc__> EvilDude: but, just to warn you, its a long long way from being anywhere near done.
07:06 < EvilDude> aw damn, i was hoping it was close
07:07 < BleuLlama> Evil: apple uses the second cpu to decode mp3, and AAC audio (dedicated)
07:07 < davidc__> BleuLlama: Do we know this for sure?
07:07 < BleuLlama> i don't know if "we" know it, but I know it for sure.
07:07 < davidc__> how do you know it for sure?
07:08 < BleuLlama> one of the things that my friend at belkin told me about the architecture
07:08 < EvilDude> so it doesnt use the first cpu at all to decode, just the second cpu
07:08 < davidc__> BleuLlama: ah, interesting
07:08 < BleuLlama> i think it might use the first cpu to buffer data for the second one, perhaps...
07:08 < BleuLlama> i'm not sure on that.
07:08 < EvilDude> i think it does
07:08 < EvilDude> coz say you're playing a game
07:09 < EvilDude> it pauses when a song finishes and buffering etc
07:09 < EvilDude> and then the game continues, so im thinking the first cpu has to do buffering etc
07:09 < EvilDude> and thats why the whole menu system seems to freeze up at times too
07:14 < Jonas_NZ> bbl
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07:26 < jintonic> hmm
07:27 < jintonic> so what kinda stuff is in the part of ipod os thats in the hard disk?
07:27 < BleuLlama> that's where the druids are stored
07:27 < BleuLlama> when they get tired, anyway
07:28 < BleuLlama> the druids read the data off of the disk, and hum. lots of druids, and they hum at differente frequencies, causing accurate sound playback.
07:28 < BleuLlama> it's an amazing system, really.
07:28 < jintonic> :-/
07:29 < courtc> No, really..
07:29 < BleuLlama> i dunno
07:29 < BleuLlama> heh
07:29 < jintonic> if you were talking about any other company than apple i'd be sure that's bullshit but then again.... its apple... they think very... different
07:31 < jintonic> yeah, so what's really in there? does anybody know?
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07:32 < davidc__> the only stuff in flash is stuff to initialize the hd, the lcd, and load the hd into flash
07:32 < davidc__> errr.
07:32 < davidc__> load the hd stuff into ram
07:32 < davidc__> everything else, on the hd is mp3 playback, ui code, etc
07:32 < davidc__> oh, and druids
07:33 < courtc> lots of em..
07:33 < jintonic> ah, so there's probly no difference between the crap on the different ipods? (except maybe photo?)
07:34 < davidc__> well, it is different, a lot different. 4g/mini both use a different processor / mem layout than 3gs
07:34 < jintonic> but it sounded like you were saying most of the hardware specific stuff is in the flash
07:36 * courtc grumbles about strtok
07:36 < jintonic> i'd think the ipod mini ui probably isn't made specificly for ipod mini (to save money)
07:36 < davidc__> well, of course not. they both use the same ui code
07:36 < davidc__> oh, jintonic, once the code is loaded off the hd, it can't talk to the flash code
07:36 < davidc__> so they're really two separate os'es
07:36 < davidc__> so both have to be customized for different hardware
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07:38 < jintonic> ok
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07:39 < jintonic> in doing ipod development is it possible/likely to corrupt the flash?
07:39 < macPod> if you write to it, yes
07:39 < courtc> possible? yes.. Likely? no...
07:40 < jintonic> you'd have to be working with the boot loader?
07:40 < courtc> not unless you have problems distinguishing R's and W's
07:41 < jintonic> sometimes i do... so can i work on the ipod os?
07:41 < jintonic> :D
07:43 < jintonic> if i have a backup of the part thats on the hard disk but not the flash then can the flash be restored?
07:43 < jintonic> er, nvm
07:44 < macPod> if you screw up the flash, you are done unless you have a programmer and keen soldering skills
07:44 < jintonic> i meant: could i restore the flash with the flash being corrupt?
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07:45 < jintonic> could software written for ipodlinux overwrite the flash?
07:46 < macPod> dunno havent tried it
07:46 < courtc> why, why, why?
07:46 < jintonic> heh, i bet that sounded like i'm thinking about making some app to destroy ipods :P
07:47 < jintonic> i'm not, just curious about all this stuff
07:47 < jintonic> sorry if i'm asking too many questions
07:48 < courtc> no need to be sorry.. we'll stop answering questions when you've asked too many :)
07:49 < coob> [07:46] jintonic | heh, i bet that sounded like i'm thinking about making some app to destroy ipods :P
07:49 < coob> i wasn't thinking that before, but now....
07:49 < courtc> sounds like a confession ;)
07:49 < macPod> courtc what do you think about a development page for the wiki?
07:50 < courtc> be more specific..
07:50 < macPod> just describes who is working on what, etc so there are not duplicate efforts
07:50 < macPod> and it would be organized by projects, not by peoples names
07:50 < coob> ouh new 24
07:51 < courtc> Its nice in theory.. but would people actually use it?
07:51 < macPod> lets say someone wants to work on tic tac toe
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07:51 < macPod> instead of having to search around to see if it is already being done, they just look on that page
07:52 < macPod> if the devs add their contact info people who want to group together can also get in contact
07:52 < macPod> etc
07:52 < courtc> macPod, I'll put you in charge of it.. :)
07:52 < macPod> :P ok I shall make the page
07:52 < jintonic> hehe, sounds like a good idea
07:53 < macPod> what about the name of the page? "current development"
07:53 < jintonic> active projects?
07:53 < macPod> "active projects"
07:53 < jintonic> haha
07:53 < coob> active development
07:54 < coob> current development
07:54 < courtc> macPod, you should also chat with veteran.. he stole a the script for : http://www.rockbox.org/requests.shtml
07:54 < macPod> ah, a fusion I like that one
07:54 < coob> tag it to the end of porject status
07:54 < coob> uh
07:54 < coob> i dunno :<
07:54 < jintonic> maybe put up a poll.. "which sounds better: * current development * active projects"
07:54 < jintonic> :P
07:55 < courtc> current development
07:55 < macPod> are those all ipod requested features on that link courtc?
07:55 < courtc> no, thats for rockbox..
07:55 < courtc> #rockbox
07:55 < macPod> they relate :)
07:55 < macPod> ok, I'll put a wiki for now
07:55 < macPod> but that script sounds interesting
07:56 < courtc> quite closely.. I idle in #rockbox...
07:57 < jintonic> ooooh, espionage
07:57 < jintonic> ;)
07:58 < courtc> :)
08:01 < jintonic> hmm... anybody have or wanna make an image of the os sector of their ipod 4g full so we can compare md5sums and file size with my ipod mini firmware?
08:01 < macPod> they are the same
08:01 < jintonic> its been checked?
08:01 < macPod> all firmware partitions for all ipods are all about 32mb
08:02 < jintonic> mine is 40176 bytes with md5sum db71dd7ca3ea729bb6026a0aabfb5d3d
08:06 < courtc> macpod shouldnt you be asleep? ;)
08:07 < macPod> yes
08:07 < macPod> after this page is complete
08:07 < courtc> 3:10
08:07 < macPod> big deal. Wanna fight about it?
08:07 < macPod> :p
08:08 < courtc> ooh, can we?
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08:08 < coob> jintonic: no not really, it's a bit pointless.
08:09 < leachbj> morning...
08:09 < courtc> macPod: I'm joking btw.. I live in est also..
08:09 < coob> hi leachbj
08:09 < courtc> leachbj, hiya
08:09 < courtc> hmm...
08:09 < BleuLlama> leachbj
08:09 < jintonic> oh well, i'm bored and just curious whether it's the same
08:10 < jintonic> especially since (assuming usb 2.0) is a pretty quick and painless procedure
08:10 < courtc> I'll let him know he let you down by not getting in here early.. :)
08:10 < courtc> hehe
08:10 < courtc> ok
08:10 < courtc> tell him to check his email.
08:10 < leachbj> thanks, I gotit
08:11 < courtc> and also mention to him that the lcd commands are almost exactly like 3g, only difference is base is 0x70003000
08:12 < leachbj> yeah that seems to be the case with a few of the registers
08:12 < coob> jintonic: mini firmware is different to 4g firmware, and both are different to the photo firmware, a quick look at even apple's website would've told you that
08:13 < jintonic> but it doesnt necessarily mean the part on the hard disk is different
08:13 < coob> yes it does.
08:13 < jintonic> ok
08:14 < macPod> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Current_development
08:15 < courtc> looks good, but where is all my stuff? ;)
08:15 < macPod> you add it :P
08:15 < macPod> and make sure you follow the example ;p
08:16 < macPod> I'll send that to the patch list tommorow btw
08:16 < courtc> macPod, why not use --~~~ ?
08:17 < macPod> I havent bothered to learn the wiki yet. I provide the data and then coob comes along and makes the pages look pretty. It's a good system
08:17 < courtc> haha
08:17 < macPod> Now if it were html...
08:18 < courtc> coob, its your turn ;)
08:19 < courtc> I bet hes already restructured it and merged in like 8 pages
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08:23 < ramp> nilss, you up?
08:23 * BleuLlama is updating his Vortex page. whee
08:23 < macPod> bleu use the preview page button instead of the save button
08:23 < macPod> that way you dont fill up the recent changes pages with each diff you apply
08:24 < BleuLlama> k. i hit the wrong button just now on the page. my bad.
08:31 < macPod> sleep time
08:32 < courtc> night macpod..
08:34 < BleuLlama> night all
08:37 < coob> and make sure you use the minor edit thing correctly!
08:37 < coob> makes me crazy when people misuse that
08:37 < courtc> night BleuLlama
08:37 < jintonic> haha! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl <-- wikipedia has naked girls along with their definitions... beat that, encyclopedia britannica!
08:44 < jintonic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooker <-- disappointment...
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09:19 < Jonas_NZ> nilss: you there?
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09:20 < Jonas_NZ> has any1 here got a copy of the flash dump nilss took>
09:23 < jintonic> heh, leachbj or davidc if anyone, but i don't think they have it yet
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09:23 < jintonic> der, you ought to know that :P
09:25 < courtc> http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/dump.final.bin
09:25 < Jonas_NZ> lol, on my webspace, but cheers leachbj already gave me the link
09:26 < courtc> heh.. too slow..
09:26 < jintonic> haha
09:29 < courtc> .. I'm soo sick of debugging this.. :p
09:29 < Jonas_NZ> what are you working on?
09:29 < courtc> an irc client/bot in c
09:29 < Jonas_NZ> oh ok
09:30 < Jonas_NZ> can sum1 explain to me how you guys find anything in this binary dump of the flash?
09:30 < Jonas_NZ> im looking at it and im lost
09:31 < courtc> haha.. you need to disassemble it.. or if you dont know asm, the command 'strings' might be helpful
09:32 < Jonas_NZ> oh i see i need to dissasemble the flash dump bin?
09:32 < Jonas_NZ> has sum1 got a dissasembled version?
09:33 < courtc> http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/asm
09:35 < Jonas_NZ> so where are the sources which have been modified so that the screen semi works on the 4g?
09:35 < leachbj> we are about 1-2 months from getting linux to boot.
09:36 < courtc> you mean 1-2 minutes, right? ;)
09:36 < Jonas_NZ> why, how much does actually need to be done
09:37 < courtc> why, oh why does 'dup = malloc(strlen(msg));' change the length of msg..
09:38 < Jonas_NZ> courtc, what vm are you using
09:38 < Jonas_NZ> wm?
09:38 < coob> courtc: by how much?
09:38 < courtc> coob, by one
09:38 < courtc> Jonas_NZ, flux
09:38 < coob> are you including the nul?
09:39 < Jonas_NZ> courtc: i like your response to CTCP version :P manual or auto ?
09:39 < courtc> Jonas_NZ, :) auto..
09:40 < Jonas_NZ> anyway, what distro you using court?
09:40 < Jonas_NZ> i like the look of your desktop in that screenie, ss.png
09:41 < courtc> coob including it? its there.. until i malloc :/
09:42 < courtc> Jonas_NZ, I'm running arch linux, but I can get the same look in any distro..
09:42 < Jonas_NZ> yeah, hmm, so whats the name of the theme
09:42 < courtc> for flux? Sn33z-mod
09:43 < courtc> before: NOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname...
09:43 < Jonas_NZ> k
09:43 < courtc> after:
09:43 < courtc> NOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname...1
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09:43 < courtc> soo dumb
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09:46 < coob> courtc: i dunno maybe it tacks another nul on the end :<
09:46 < courtc> coob, and replaces the previous one with a 1 ?
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09:53 < coob> most odd heh
09:54 < coob> oh wait
09:54 < coob> hm no
09:54 < coob> just malloc(strlen(msg)-1) then?
09:55 < courtc> yea, I fixed that.. :p stupid \0 was in the wrong string.. whoops.. but still can't figure out what the dealio is with all the segfaulting.. I think I might be getting tired
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10:03 < courtc> a _whole_ dollar!
10:03 < jintonic> :o
10:03 < jintonic> jeez, share the wealth!
10:03 < courtc> its up for grabs in #ipodlinuxflood
10:04 < coob> ok well the first mistake
10:04 < coob> is that you're using c for an irc bot.
10:04 < courtc> haha
10:04 < coob> perl is your friend.
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10:15 < courtc> anyone else wanna join in the fun and games? we are trying to figure out why I should have went to bed long ago.. Theres a prize up for grabs..
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10:20 < Jonas_NZ> any1 here good with python?
10:29 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/blog
10:30 < courtc> for all you forum avoiders
10:31 < Jonas_NZ> lol
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10:54 < Jonas_NZ> bywa ll
10:55 < Jonas_NZ> whoah, i think that explains how tired i am
10:55 < Jonas_NZ> cyaz
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10:55 < jintonic> blah
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11:42 < nilss> re.
11:42 < Exion> wb
11:43 < coob> courtc: that blog's ahndy, i avoid the forums like the plague, too many newbs :)
11:43 < coob> handy*
11:43 < Exion> got any futher on getting output on serial ? ;)
11:43 < nilss> any progress? ;)
11:44 < leachbj_> nilss: i'm getting there on the bootloader RE but still a bit to go.
11:44 < Exion> have anyone compared ipodmini with the 4g bootloader ? if it's exactly the same.
11:44 < nilss> leachbj_: you already know we basically got the lcd working?
11:44 < leachbj_> yeah davidc__ emailed me...
11:44 < nilss> k :)
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11:46 < nilss> if no one else wants to do it i'll port the framebuffer stuff in the kernel to 4g tomorrow ;)
11:47 < leachbj_> should be pretty straight forward.
11:47 < nilss> yea
11:48 < leachbj_> infact it should be just those two registers values I think :)
11:48 < nilss> hehe
11:48 < nilss> well, i'll have a look at the code ;)
11:50 < nilss> what resolution has the 4g lcd?
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11:53 < coob> 160 x 128
11:53 < coob> http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html :)
11:54 < nilss> so the same as the 3g?
11:54 < leachbj_> yup
11:55 < nilss> if i unterstand that code right there's a copy of the screen somewhere in ram that just get's send to the display every redraw?
11:55 < leachbj_> yup
11:55 < leachbj_> well the "updated portion" gets sent
11:55 < nilss> ah ok
11:56 < nilss> so basically i'll only have to change void ipod_update_display(...), let's see if i can do it ;)
11:56 < leachbj_> yup
11:57 < coob> ok well i have a maths exam now, later
11:57 < leachbj_> good luck
11:57 < coob> thanks
11:57 < nilss> oh well looks like i really only have to change the offset
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12:01 < nilss> i guess it's the same lcd as in 3g, right?
12:01 < leachbj_> I think so
12:01 < leachbj_> I think the mini is the same too (at least from a programming perspective... just lower res)
12:02 < nilss> yea
12:03 < ramp> hey nilss
12:03 < nilss> hi
12:03 < coob> gah missed my bus, 15mins till the next one
12:03 < ramp> someone told me that the ipod cpu can't handle FP
12:03 < coob> would the kernel need some kind of detection code?
12:04 < coob> for the different generations
12:04 < nilss> does the fb gets inited before calibrate_delay()?
12:04 < leachbj_> coob: yes it will
12:04 < coob> would be easier to maintain than different patchsets i guess
12:04 < nilss> i think we should make seperate kernels
12:04 < leachbj_> nilss: I think so
12:04 < nilss> mkay
12:04 < nilss> so if i boot the kernel now i should see some text
12:05 < leachbj_> the console isn't initialised only the fb driver
12:05 < leachbj_> you dont see text until much later
12:05 < nilss> but there's a call to init_console()?
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12:06 < leachbj_> ??... not sure exactly, but before calibrate_delay the console doesnt work
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12:07 * coob wonders what the best way to detect the different generations would be
12:07 < coob> or just compile time opts with diff defines
12:08 < leachbj_> the kernel will just look for different execute addresses
12:08 < phildev2> it's better
12:08 < leachbj_> then it will also have code to determine which generation (this is already there)
12:08 < nilss> hu? the arguments to outl(); in tools.c (loader) seem to be swapped?
12:08 < nilss> is that correct?
12:09 < leachbj_> that could be... long time ago I had the wrong thing :/
12:09 < leachbj_> nilss: if you fix the lcd code in the bootloader then you should see tux :)
12:09 < ramp> how do i connect to my ipod when it's booted into linux?
12:09 < coob> ramp: yeah the wiki entry on ethernet
12:09 < coob> er
12:10 < coob> s/yeah/read/
12:10 < ramp> growl
12:11 < ramp> is there an easy way to gain root access on a mac with physical access?
12:12 < coob> yes
12:12 < coob> boot into single user mode
12:12 < ramp> how do you do that?
12:12 < coob> change the root pass using netinfo
12:12 < ramp> netinfo?
12:12 < coob> (if you want to be unnoticed, change it back to the original hash after)
12:12 < coob> google.
12:12 < ramp> will do
12:13 < coob> or if you have an admin account
12:13 < coob> sudo -s
12:13 < ramp> yeah
12:13 < coob> (account passwd)
12:13 < ramp> my friend's on a fairly locked down mac
12:13 < coob> will get you a root shell
12:13 < coob> the root account is disabled
12:13 < coob> on all shipped installs of os x
12:14 < coob> (except maybe server, dunno)
12:16 < nilss> strange
12:16 < nilss> the ipod resets
12:16 < ramp> you sure there's a way in on panther?
12:17 < coob> yes ramp.
12:17 < coob> right, bbl
12:22 < leachbj_> nilss: ? i'm just at the lcd stuff in the new bootloader now and its exactly the same processing, just that base register is different
12:23 < nilss> yea
12:23 < nilss> i changed the base in tools.c
12:23 < nilss> but now the ipod resets
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12:34 < nilss> mhm
12:34 < nilss> the wait function crashes it
12:34 < leachbj_> oh
12:34 < leachbj_> yeah you'll need to change the timer offsets
12:35 < leachbj_> it should use 0x60005010
12:35 < nilss> i did that, too...
12:36 < nilss> strange...
12:37 < nilss> even this code wait_start = inl(0x60005010); resets it
12:38 < nilss> brb
12:48 < nilss> re
12:53 < nilss> mhm why would that code reset the ipod?!
12:53 < leachbj_> ummm it shouldnt...
12:57 < nilss> somethings strange with that loader.bin
12:57 < nilss> i'll put the code in a seperate binary
13:07 < nilss> leachbj_: http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/g4lcd.jpg
13:07 < leachbj_> :)
13:10 < nilss> mhm
13:10 < nilss> i cant stop hacking ;)
13:10 < leachbj_> haha... did you get the gpio stuff in the bootloader working?
13:11 < nilss> havent tried yet
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13:14 < nilss> setting the contrast is also the same... :)
13:15 < nilss> but backlight doesnt work
13:16 < leachbj_> yeah there seems to be a lot more to the backlight code this time :(
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14:53 < phildev2> nills: What's your status on serial line? (To get photo firm)
14:54 < leachbj_> phildev2: i'm not planning on using the serial line to get the photo firmware, I hope to get it directly from the firmware updates once I have the correct decoding code...
14:55 < phildev2> But there isn't any update for photo model now ?
14:56 < leachbj_> there is
14:56 < leachbj_> or at least the firmware for the photo is in the updater
14:57 < phildev2> you mean the photo bootloader is embedded into the november update?
14:57 < phildev2> iPod Updater 2004-11-15
14:57 < leachbj_> yes, its the Firmware-5.4.0 file/resource
14:58 < leachbj_> it was in 20.10.04 as well
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14:59 < phildev2> and it is encrypted, isnt'it ?
14:59 < leachbj_> yes
15:00 < phildev2> ok, thx I didn't read all the time this channel and I'm not aware of this
15:01 < phildev2> what's about Firmware-6.2.4 & Firmware-10.3.0.2 ?
15:01 < leachbj_> look on the wiki for the firmware page
15:01 < phildev2> thx
15:09 < phildev2> I know the good url but is there a link pointing on it on the Wiki? I got it by the All Pages link only.
15:09 < leachbj_> ask the wiki
15:10 < phildev2> Who is it? :-)
15:11 < leachbj_> the wiki can tell you about links
15:11 < phildev2> By a search?
15:11 * leachbj_ is away: I'm busy
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15:18 < JMunakra> is there any info about the iPod's firewire hardware on the wiki or web?
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15:26 < phildev2> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Mounting_on_Linux
15:26 < Burbas> This is maybe a stupid question, but how power down my ipod?
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15:36 < Burbas> Someone who can help me?
15:38 < leachbj_> you cant under linux, reboot it to apple
15:40 < Burbas> okej :)
15:41 < Burbas> tnx
15:43 < JMunakra> Can the iPod link do isoc transactions?
15:43 < leachbj_> no
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15:44 < JMunakra> wouldn't there be a way to accept isoc packets as async packets?
15:44 < leachbj_> not that I'm aware of
15:46 < JMunakra> because the only thing that's different for isoc is that they go before the first arbitrartion gap. Oh, and the header, of course.
15:46 < JMunakra> Do you know how the link filters the isoc packets?
15:47 < leachbj_> no
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15:53 < davidc__> hey all
15:53 < davidc__> bern, you around?
15:53 < leachbj_> hey davidc__
15:53 < davidc__> guess so :)
15:53 < davidc__> how goes the reverse engineering?
15:53 < leachbj_> i'm just working on the decryption stuff now
15:54 < davidc__> cool
15:54 < davidc__> was that database any use?
15:54 < leachbj_> i had a little browse ;)... but I had also done a bit last night :/
15:54 < davidc__> ah
15:55 < davidc__> found the decryption routines yet?
15:55 < davidc__> or, approx location?
16:07 < phildev2> it's sound like a key at offset 4a2414 on firm540
16:09 < phildev2> Or maybe the first 512 bytes of each image
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16:17 < phildev2> in previous firm222, the code starts at the beginning of the image, now it starts at offset 0x200 from the beginning of image. Those bytes are involved in block encryption
16:18 < Burbas> Can I access the consol somehow?
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16:18 < Burbas> 'I mean from my PC?
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16:22 < phildev2> As the first image isn't encrypted, the first image 512 block bytes seems to be the identical function key
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16:33 < phildev2> what's the opcode from 0x22dc17ea?
16:35 < Burbas> Do you think its possible to insert a standard CompactFlash card instead of the Ipod minis Microdrive
16:44 < Burbas> !?
16:44 < leachbj_> no
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16:46 < Burbas> leachbj_: why not?
16:48 < leachbj_> because I think the ipod uses/detects that hardware and only works with it. but I'm only guessing
16:50 < Burbas> aa. But microdrive reminds very much about CompactFlash. So maybe it will work?
16:51 < BleuLlama> 1) i don't believe they are pin compatible (CF Pinout != IDE pinout) and the apple firmware expects a certain drive geometry (or sets of drive geometries), so unless you put a 5gig cf card into a 5 gig ipod (assuming you ahve a CF-IDE adapter) then it *might* work, possibly...
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16:52 < BleuLlama> i've heard of people years ago, dropping other IDE drives itno the ipod with poor results.. it had to be the same model of drive... (perhaps apple did its usual "apple-rom" thing on the drive itself? I know at some point Apple switched the mini's hard drive over from a standard mini drive over to a somewhat custom one
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16:54 < Burbas> But isnt the connectors on 'Compactflash and Microdrive the same?
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16:58 < BleuLlama> yes. but that's only the ipod. the regular pods don't use microdrives, they use regular drives, and apple's firmware expects drives of specific geometries to be there... i wouldn't be surprised if the rom in the drive is also customized to the point where the firmware expects that rom to be there.
16:59 < BleuLlama> er... "only the ipod Mini"
17:00 < dolph1n> Hey
17:00 < Burbas> mm.
17:00 < Burbas> Maybe
17:01 < Burbas> I wounder if I shall open my ipod mini and test with a 256Mb cf card
17:01 < BleuLlama> well, i know that the most recent ipod mini's microdrives don't work properly outside of the mini; they're customized somewhat
17:01 < Burbas> okay.
17:01 < Burbas> Thats bad.
17:02 < BleuLlama> and i know that at least g1 and g2 ipods expect specifc drives to be in there; it's hardcoded into the firmware (unlike PC Bios's autodetect type of thing.)
17:02 < BleuLlama> bad? i don't think so. especially not for apple.
17:02 < BleuLlama> bad for hackers who want to drop in a bigger disk...
17:02 < BleuLlama> ;)
17:03 < BleuLlama> if you want to try it, go for it. i'm curious as to the results...
17:04 < Burbas> But I want a compactflashcard, not because the size but to get rid of the movingparts on the microdrive.
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17:05 < systemicfailure_> do you guys believe that apple is about to introduce a flash memory based ipod today?
17:06 < Burbas> It would be nice :P
17:07 < systemicfailure_> im waiting on the news but the keynote address of the macworld expo is going to be delayed to later today
17:09 < macPod> oh te expo is today?
17:09 < macPod> the ipod flash will be revealed
17:09 < tlg> systemicfailure_: http://www.macitynet.it/english/aA20182/index.shtml
17:12 < macPod> life is random
17:12 < tlg> 240 songs
17:12 < tlg> ~= 1Gb
17:14 < BleuLlama> that's like 500 punk thrash songs. ;)
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17:17 < coob> systemicfailure_: tomorrow
17:17 < coob> keynote isn't till tomorrow
17:18 < tlg> coob: yeas tuesday
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17:18 < tlg> 01/11/2005, 09:00 AM - 10:30 AM
17:18 < tlg> EST I suppose
17:19 < BleuLlama> actually, probably PST, since it's being done out there.
17:19 < tlg> or PST ;)
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17:47 < Thijs> goodevening!
17:47 < leachbj> hi Thijs
17:48 < peterburk> welcome to a pretty dead chat :-)
17:49 < systemicfailure_> has anyone here read this book: Embedded Linux: Hardware, Software and Interfacing
17:51 < peterburk> leachbj, theres an error on the title thing
17:51 < peterburk> (still no 4g or mini support! visit http://www.ipodinux.org/4g before asking)
17:51 < peterburk> it should be www.ipodlinux.org/4g (you missed an l)
17:51 -!- leachbj changed the topic of #ipodlinux to: uclinux-2.4.24-ipod2 now available on www.ipodlinux.org for download (still no 4g or mini support! visit http://www.ipodlinux.org/4g before asking)
17:53 < peterburk> thx :-) *having fun nitpicking*
17:54 < systemicfailure_> peter are you on the development side of ipodlinux
17:56 < leachbj> hey tlg are you familiar with arm asm?
17:56 < peterburk> systemicfailure: not really, but im a moderator who kows whats going on, but i dont program if you have request
17:56 < peterburk> i read the forums
17:57 < phildev2> leachbj: what can I do?
17:58 < JMunakra> leachbj: I am, a little
17:58 < systemicfailure_> no requests, im just looking for a good book on embedded linux
17:59 < dolph1n> Holy shit
17:59 < dolph1n> Did anyone see neighbours?
17:59 < dolph1n> incest.
17:59 < veteran> umm?
17:59 < leachbj> thanks for the update dolph1n but i think you're looking for #crap_tv
18:00 < dolph1n> haha
18:00 < coob> neighbours rocks
18:00 < coob> dolph1n: did she sleep with her brother?
18:00 < dolph1n> sorry, Just got weirded out by it
18:00 < dolph1n> Yeah
18:00 < coob> the one that looks like a chipmunk
18:00 < veteran> #crap_tv
18:00 < veteran> now.
18:00 < dolph1n> Yeah!
18:00 < dolph1n> That's the one
18:00 < dolph1n> and it's only like.. 5:00
18:00 < peterburk> dammit! nilss is crazy, but im glad theres at last been something happen on the 4G front
18:01 < veteran> haha peter...
18:01 < peterburk> maybe by september when i'll buy the ipod photo 2 when it comes out, it might be linux-ready
18:02 < dolph1n> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5549858584
18:02 < veteran> "We're working on decoding the latest iPod's flash by making it beep it out in binary, then decoding an 8 hour recording of the beeping"
18:02 < peterburk> im planning on getting the media reader, ipod photo and digital camera in one go, but as im broke, it'll be the next release of ipod before i afford it
18:02 < veteran> and... it's not april fools
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18:02 < dolph1n> hahaha
18:02 < dolph1n> now that is madness
18:02 < peterburk> LOL some people are nuts
18:03 < veteran> nuts? i think it's brilliant
18:03 < veteran> well, now that i see it worked i think it's brilliant
18:03 < peterburk> oh yeah, its just trying to decode binary from beeping ipods
18:03 < veteran> yes, nuts was my first reaction.
18:04 < peterburk> but if it works, i guess you cant blame him
18:04 < peterburk> 8 hours would probably be at night though, just imagine at 3 am the ipod stops beeping and you have to wake up to turn it off
18:04 < dolph1n> heh
18:04 < dolph1n> Just stay away
18:05 < dolph1n> *awake
18:05 < peterburk> but, what would it really give us thats not the firmware (im really nooB on hardcode low-level hacking i know, but its kinda interesting nevertheless)
18:07 < peterburk> or is it that the aupd might be decrypted by the ipod, and this would give us a decrypted version?
18:09 < peterburk> WACK - what a chat killer
18:10 < peterburk> this is why im not worried about the deve1oper meeting being too busy and confusing
18:16 < leachbj> ok arm punters, I have some code that I need converted to C from arm asm...
18:16 < leachbj> its on #ipodlinuxflood in a minute or so
18:21 < macPod> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5961
18:33 < veteran> anyone interested in modifying a phpbb skin?
18:35 < dolph1n> I've done it before
18:35 < dolph1n> But I'm not sure if I have the time
18:35 < dolph1n> http://www.sonowwhodowevotefor.net/phpBB2/
18:35 < dolph1n> ^ My work
18:36 < dolph1n> what kind of a job is it?
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18:42 < peterburk> g2g eat ppl, so cya
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18:48 < veteran> dolph1n - just adding some rules tot he top of the post page
18:48 < veteran> i'm too busy
18:48 < dolph1n> AH
18:48 < dolph1n> Ok, sure
18:48 < dolph1n> Just send me the rules and the *.tpl file
18:49 -!- Ciaran [~mirc@host217-44-249-2.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ipodlinux
18:49 < Ciaran> Hello.
18:49 < Ciaran> I have a question for y'all.
18:49 < Ciaran> As we've got some pretty nifty PP programmers around here...
18:51 < dolph1n> go ahead
18:51 < Ciaran> It's about the problem of lack of 4G devices to play with. There's a few questions I'm wondering... firstly, is it possible to remotely power off and on the 4G iPod through the USB interface?
18:52 < dolph1n> bah
18:52 < dolph1n> I'm sick of wallops
18:52 < tlg> leachbj: I've put my code
18:52 < dolph1n> Cairan: Dunno
18:53 < Ciaran> See, I think it would be pretty nifty cool if it was possible to develop a 'firmware loader' that would sit on top of the normal firmware and send the LCD display information over the USB interface, along with a program/script on the PC side to allow the computer to reboot the iPod and upload new firmware remotely.
18:53 < Ciaran> I'm not able to do that with my experience at the moment but if someone wants to take the idea and run with it...
18:53 < dolph1n> you mean like...
18:54 < dolph1n> The default apple one that's already there?
18:55 < Ciaran> Well, sure. But what I mean is that say I'm running a server to which my iPod is connected. My server is running a program that allows very specific people to whom I give access the capability to upload new firmware onto my iPod and to see the contents of the LCD screen as displayed by a Java applet or something. Heck, it could be a webcam.
18:56 < Ciaran> So really all someone needs is a program to *remotely* remotely upload firmware and reboot the iPod, a webcam, and an iPod they don't mind trashing.
18:57 < leachbj> Ciaran: sounds fun ;) but we've pretty much sorted out the hardware issue for now
18:58 < Ciaran> Well, I thought that you were all saying that if developers had access to a real live 4G iPod, development would be much quicker?
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18:59 < leachbj> http://www.ipodlinux.org/blog/
18:59 < Ciaran> This is one way to go about it. Heck, if someone tells me what needs to be sent over the USB port I could maybe whip up a script that can be run in Apache or something.
18:59 < Ciaran> *looks*
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18:59 < Ciaran> Ooooo, sweet.
19:00 < dolph1n> cool
19:00 < Ciaran> I'd love to hear how you guys did that.
19:00 < davidc__> cool?
19:00 < dolph1n> was just reading the diary
19:00 < dolph1n> thingy
19:01 < dolph1n> looking at the calender January 2005 S M T W T F S
19:01 < dolph1n> never noticed that before
19:01 < veteran> i like how WTF is bolded, very nice touch
19:01 < dolph1n> heh
19:01 < dolph1n> I think
19:01 < dolph1n> How coincidental My finger slipped at those points
19:02 < Ciaran> Also, I'm just going to syndicate that blog in LiveJournal. Anyone have a good name for it or shall I just call it "ipodlinux_blog"?
19:02 < leachbj> how about ipodlinux_rulz_the_world ;)
19:03 < Ciaran> Too big... it only takes 15 characters.
19:04 < Ciaran> ipodlinux_rulz would work ;)
19:04 < leachbj> ipodlinux_blog it is then :)
19:04 < Ciaran> Okay then.
19:04 < dolph1n> how about Isuckcock/wiPL
19:05 < Ciaran> Too late :)
19:05 < Ciaran> http://www.livejournal.com/users/ipodlinux_blog/
19:05 < dolph1n> Wow
19:05 < dolph1n> veteran must be really lagged
19:05 < dolph1n> either that or he thinks I can add the ruls to the forum with no access or rules :P
19:06 < dolph1n> actually, I havn't posted at the forum yet
19:06 < dolph1n> strange, I should have
19:07 < veteran> nah just really busy
19:07 < davidc__> phildev: Are you doing any disasm work?
19:07 < dolph1n> ah
19:09 < coob> livejournal is awful
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19:12 < Jenw> #ipodlinux
19:12 * coob claps
19:13 < davidc__> whoa. Jenw is a bot that joins channels and prints their channel name
19:13 < Jenw> does linux now boot on the ipod 4G/mini?
19:13 < veteran> topic.
19:13 < dolph1n> Now that's the kinda of thing I nee
19:13 < dolph1n> d
19:13 < davidc__> Yes, but just keep a fire extinguisher handy.
19:13 < veteran> haha!
19:13 < dolph1n> Haha
19:13 < dolph1n> wow, we get a lot of these users every 5 mins or so now
19:13 < davidc__> yeah
19:13 < davidc__> its funny
19:14 < davidc__> join channel: Ask question in title, or one answered a billion times in the wiki and on the forum.
19:14 * veteran deletes forum and wiki
19:14 < coob> on the fornt page of the wiki noless
19:14 < veteran> problem solved.
19:14 < Jenw> I just wondered why the parts which told the 4g doesn't boot were deleted in the wiki...
19:15 < davidc__> "Fourth generation iPods including the click wheel, mini, U2, and Photo are NOT currently supported."
19:15 < veteran> http://www.ipodlinux.org/
19:15 < veteran> search for bold text
19:15 < davidc__> right on the front page
19:15 < davidc__> check this for status:
19:15 < davidc__> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g
19:16 < coob> Jenw: i think i may've been wrong when i put that up, nils has more of a clue than i do and he removed it.
19:16 < Jenw> haha, just done that but exactly on that page the lines telling it won't boot were removed...
19:16 < dolph1n> just don't mess with it
19:16 < dolph1n> You don't look smart enough to be playing with stuff like that currently :P
19:17 < davidc__> Jenw: I think he was talking to coob
19:18 < coob> eh davidc__ ?
19:18 < Jenw> Are there any fw-images available for download?
19:19 < davidc__> coob: :p
19:19 < davidc__> Jenw: fw-images?
19:19 < davidc__> images of what?
19:19 < davidc__> default apple?
19:19 < davidc__> linux?
19:19 < davidc__> and for what ipod revision?
19:19 < davidc__> anyways, I'm off
19:19 < davidc__> class
19:19 < dolph1n> Jenw: illigal as the sun
19:19 < dolph1n> Later, dave
19:20 < Jenw> default apple (4g/mini)...
19:20 < davidc__> we cannot offer them for download as that is against apples copyright
19:20 < davidc__> simply extract them from the apple installer pkg
19:21 < Jenw> then how can I get them? I just want to take a look at them
19:21 < coob> do you have an ipod? dd it of.
19:21 < coob> off
19:21 < coob> or just download apple's ipod updater
19:22 < dolph1n> coob: you use mac, your dd function is probibly broken :P
19:24 < dolph1n> and I dount Jenw knows what dd does
19:24 < dolph1n> ...
19:24 < dolph1n> wow, I'm being awfully mean today
19:24 < Jenw> I know what it does...
19:24 < dolph1n> And awfully gay in that last sentence
19:24 < dolph1n> That's nice
19:31 < veteran> davidc__ - please for the sake of noobkind do not read the forums today
19:31 < dolph1n> haha
19:31 < dolph1n> link me, I need a laugh
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19:32 < veteran> Before you post, please:
19:32 < veteran> - Search the forums to make sure nobody else has asked your question before.
19:32 < veteran> - Search the website for answers to your question.
19:32 < veteran> - Check the Forum Rules
19:32 < veteran> erm, wrong paste =)
19:33 < dolph1n> haha
19:33 < veteran> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=914&highlight=
19:33 < dolph1n> Hahahahahahah
19:33 < veteran> davidc__, that link is NOT for you
19:33 < dolph1n> hahahaha
19:34 < dolph1n> I'm literally laughing out loud
19:34 < dolph1n> 1st=what a GUI
19:34 < dolph1n> I may have to make my First post
19:35 < veteran> hah, be nice or it'll be deleted
19:35 < dolph1n> I will be nice :)
19:35 < veteran> oh and try not to be... eh... vivid when describing the meaning of RTFF and RTFW
19:35 < veteran> freakin' will suffice
19:36 < dolph1n> heh
19:37 < dolph1n> HTML on?
19:40 < veteran> nope
19:40 < BleuLlama> wax on. wax off.
19:40 < dolph1n> Nope!??!
19:40 < dolph1n> Options:
19:40 < dolph1n> HTML is ON
19:40 < dolph1n> BBCode is ON
19:40 < dolph1n> Smilies are ON
19:40 < macPod> anybody seen this page?
19:40 < macPod> http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~m.heijligers/ipod/Engineering/engineering.html
19:41 < veteran> dolph1n - looks like you didn't need to ask
19:41 < dolph1n> yeah
19:41 < dolph1n> Man, that was stupid of me
19:42 < macPod> gibb89 has no clue lol
19:42 < dolph1n> bah
19:42 < dolph1n> stupid html
19:44 < dolph1n> done
19:44 < dolph1n> There!
19:44 < dolph1n> My first post giving him infomation about everything he asked :)
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19:50 < dolph1n> ffs...
19:50 < dolph1n> stupid
19:52 < dolph1n> I could strangle this newd
19:52 < dolph1n> *newb
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19:53 < dolph1n> and him
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19:54 < Ciaran> Nude newb/
19:54 < Ciaran> ?
19:54 < Ciaran> >:D
19:55 < dolph1n> haha
19:55 < dolph1n> ew.
19:57 < Ciaran> You should have directed him to http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ , perhaps. :D
19:57 < Ciaran> But nah, that'd get deleted, I guess.
19:58 < dolph1n> heh
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19:59 < cohmapappWork> Great news about the piezo bootloader download hack!!
20:01 < Ciaran> Definetly. :D
20:06 < BleuLlama> one of the more inventive, messed up things i've witnessed in years. Uber-cheers. :D
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20:09 < Ciaran> Given the lack of a PP emulator, though, it's probably more-or-less the easiest way. :D
20:10 < dolph1n> hmm
20:10 < Ciaran> I wasn't on IRC when it happened so I don't exactly know how it worked other than that Nils recorded what was essentially a straight dump of the bootloader coming from the Piezo, and presumably decoded it on the PC. Which is tremendous work.
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20:10 < dolph1n> I shall Go to ManLUG
20:11 < coob> as in manchester?
20:11 < BleuLlama> ohm i agree, ciaran... don't read into what i wrote wrong... i think it's one of the cleverest, awesomest hacks i've seen in a very long time. :D
20:12 < BleuLlama> it was nliss dumping, and a few other doing signal processing, and decoding... it's been going on for the past few days. very nifty stuff.
20:14 < macPod> courtc I posted a diff for you :)
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20:18 < Alpott87> Hi
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20:20 < dolph1n> Alpott87; no, there is no 4g support yet
20:20 < BleuLlama> hehe
20:21 < Alpott87> 4g what
20:21 < BleuLlama> too bad there's no bot in here that msg's people that as they join
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20:21 < Alpott87> oh, 4th generation
20:21 < Alpott87> I know, I actually read the site
20:21 < Alpott87> !_!
20:22 < dolph1n> haha
20:22 < dolph1n> we should make one :P
20:23 < Alpott87> What site am I on then
20:23 < yortje> This "Nilss" Person what's his progress with the 4G ?
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20:24 < Alpott87> if there was a 4g, would it work on a "Creative Zen Extra", small question, don't hurt me ;_;
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20:25 < dolph1n> yortje: relax, it'll sort itself out
20:25 < dolph1n> you just wait
20:25 < dolph1n> good boy.
20:25 < yortje> :d
20:25 < Alpott87> ..Hello?
20:25 < dolph1n> yeh?
20:26 < Alpott87> what I said above
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20:27 < cohmapappWork> Is the bootloader up anywhere for download?
20:27 -!- Tijs [mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux
20:27 < Alpott87> fine
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20:28 < leachbj> cohmapappWork: I guess nilss had a good version (for 4g I assume you mean) but I'm not sure.
20:28 < Alpott87> if there was a 4g, would it work on a "Creative Zen Extra", small question, don't hurt me ;_;
20:28 < cohmapappWork> cool. This is very exciting
20:28 < Alpott87> or is it just for ipods
20:28 < Alpott87> being ipod linux
20:29 < leachbj> yes just for ipods
20:29 < Alpott87> okay
20:29 < BleuLlama> that's like asking "if i have windows 2000, will it work on macs directly?
20:29 < cohmapappWork> I had a dev question a while back that I never really got answered: Is there a way to run podzilla on the PC so developers can write code and see what it looks like even if they don't have a supported ipod?
20:30 < dolph1n> someone should make a pod emulator I suppose
20:30 < leachbj> yes, check out the wiki pages on building podzilla
20:30 < Alpott87> I was only asking
20:30 < Alpott87> ..
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20:30 < leachbj> i was only answering....?
20:31 < cohmapappWork> Great! Thanks, leachbj! I totally missed this: http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Building_Podzilla_for_the_Desktop
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20:41 < BleuLlama> pirate
20:41 < piratePenguin> yep
20:41 < BleuLlama> hey
20:41 < piratePenguin> yo
20:42 < BleuLlama> yo backatcha
20:42 < piratePenguin> heh.. hows the gui and stuff?
20:42 < BleuLlama> focusing on Vortex for now. I'm about to bring in an old matrix library i wrote around 1994 or so. heh. (so i can do scaling, rotations, etc of the graphics
20:43 < piratePenguin> nice...
20:44 < piratePenguin> I wont have much time for linux and C now that I'm back at school..
20:44 < BleuLlama> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Vortex I got vector text (a-z, 0-9 characters) implemented last night...
20:44 < BleuLlama> you can't see it in that screenshot, but as you move the spinner, it changes the web (playfield) and the number gets bigger while the text gets smaller...
20:44 < macPod> that's cool
20:45 < BleuLlama> i can provide source for anyone who wants to try it out. (podzilla game)
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20:45 < piratePenguin> class
20:47 < macPod> so is everyone ready for the iPod shuffle?
20:47 < dolph1n> iPod shuffle?
20:47 < macPod> the flash ipod
20:48 < dolph1n> What the fuck..?
20:48 < BleuLlama> apple is a sell out. how can i possibly use my ipod as a status symbol when everyone can own one?
20:48 < BleuLlama> ;)
20:48 < dolph1n> heh
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21:08 < dolph1n> shutdown -r now
21:08 < dolph1n> brb
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21:10 < Jonas_NZ> hi
21:13 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #iPodLinux
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21:13 < fre_ber> Hello
21:14 < macPod> hey
21:14 < fre_ber> What's up?
21:15 < macPod> tictactoe is done :p
21:15 < macPod> again
21:15 < fre_ber> Nice, and you are certain that it is impossible for the player to win?
21:15 < macPod> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Current_development
21:15 < macPod> you should post there
21:16 < fre_ber> Ah, I haven't come to that yet. I'm slowly going through my email first. I was away for 24 hours. Silly email account.. :)
21:21 < fre_ber> Aha, have you figured out the 4g lcd controller?!?
21:21 < Dr_Unvisible> I think they did this morning
21:21 < fre_ber> Very nice!
21:22 < Jonas_NZ> yeah
21:22 < Dr_Unvisible> 08:07 <@nilss> leachbj_: http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/g4lcd.jpg
21:22 < fre_ber> Great job. I'm happy for you. :)
21:22 < Jonas_NZ> fre_ber from what i understand its semi under control
21:22 < fre_ber> Ok, but a very important first step, right?
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21:23 < dolph1n> Back
21:23 < Jonas_NZ> yeah cos now we can start debugging
21:23 < Jonas_NZ> instead of using a pezio to listen to error messages in binary
21:23 < fre_ber> Without having to listen to the piezo.. ;)
21:23 < fre_ber> err. :)
21:24 < dolph1n> ok
21:24 < dolph1n> where was that linux to compiling podzilla on nix to run on nix
21:25 < fre_ber> Too many nix for me to decode... :)
21:25 < dolph1n> fuck
21:25 < Exion> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Building_Podzilla_for_the_Desktop
21:25 < dolph1n> what did I just say?
21:25 < dolph1n> That's it!
21:25 < dolph1n> Thanks
21:25 < Exion> np
21:25 < fre_ber> lol
21:25 * dolph1n is too lazy to search
21:26 < BleuLlama> (g4lcd.jpg) that is f'ing awesome! :D
21:27 < dolph1n> Bleu: link?
21:28 < Exion> ehh.. look 10 lines up ;)
21:28 < yortje> http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/g4lcd.jpg
21:28 < Jonas_NZ> yeah but we arestill about 1-2 months away from it running : according to leachbj
21:28 < dolph1n> I wasn't here 10 lines up
21:28 < Exion> ahh
21:28 < Jonas_NZ> any1 here good with python?
21:28 < dolph1n> ah, pwnage
21:28 < dolph1n> But we knew we could do that already :P
21:31 < BleuLlama> yeah. still in scrollback, dolph1n.
21:31 * BleuLlama is half here.
21:32 < dolph1n> heh
21:32 * dolph1n is too scared at the moments having already broken two iPods
21:32 * BleuLlama is going to patiently wait for g4 support. :)
21:33 < courtc> /back
21:33 < courtc> uh..
21:33 < dolph1n> No-one has a slackware binary of aMSN do they?
21:33 < dolph1n> WOn't compile here for some obscure reason
21:33 < dolph1n> and the install won't work
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21:43 < courtc> macPod, i beat ttt once...
21:43 < macPod> what!
21:43 < courtc> yep
21:43 < macPod> what combo?
21:43 < macPod> that can be fixed
21:43 < courtc> I should taken a ss, cause i cant do it again
21:44 < macPod> just tell me the combination
21:44 < courtc> I dont remember..
21:44 < macPod> with the matrix with the upper left cell == 0
21:44 < BleuLlama> bah. the only winning move is not to play
21:44 < BleuLlama> i bet it would be pretty easy to expand the TTT code to support "Connect 4"...
21:45 < macPod> you would think wouldn't you :P
21:45 < BleuLlama> ;)
21:45 < macPod> the a.i. was a pain
21:45 < macPod> it uses the minimax algorithm
21:45 < macPod> I guess I'll have to increment the difficulty setting so courtc cannot beat the game
21:46 < courtc> haha
21:46 < macPod> but only if he remembers the combo
21:46 < BleuLlama> check the ipod name, and if it's "CourtC's Ipod" use a different algorithm
21:47 < macPod> lol just post the message "You loose" right off the bat
21:47 < courtc> haha.. my ipod is named 'ipod'
21:47 < fre_ber> Oh, have you been up for a long time again, courtc? ;)
21:48 < macPod> bbl
21:48 < dolph1n> Mine is called 'vaka'
21:48 < dolph1n> I don't know why
21:49 < BleuLlama> mine is "Tom Servo" it originally was called "Trumpy", but i changed it when i found that a friend had hers named "Trumpy" also... eheh. (MST3k episode "Pod People" had a main-character alien named "Trumpy")
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21:49 < courtc> actually I got pissed this morning so I went to sleep.. Thats what I do when I get upset...
21:49 < fre_ber> That sounds like a good philosophy.
21:49 < Hostile> lol
21:49 < courtc> yep.. :)
21:49 < Hostile> better eating then when your pissed
21:49 < Hostile> better than*
21:50 < BleuLlama> when I get frusttrated with a problem, I *should* sleep on it, but i sit in bed, unable to fall asleep, cause I'm bugged with trying to figure out what's wrong... heh
21:50 < fre_ber> Been there, done that... ;)
21:51 < courtc> Yea, this damn irc bot is aggrivating.. Its been seghfaulting on the dumbest things.. Like now its a printf
21:51 < Hostile> I hate that
21:52 < fre_ber> irc bot?
21:52 < courtc> yea, in c
21:52 < BleuLlama> a lot of times, when i see segfaults in printf, it's usually due to overwritting ram (going past ends of buffers) and the like elsewhere in the code.
21:52 < fre_ber> What will it do? Pass the Turing test? I love that stuff. :)
21:52 < BleuLlama> dbx and gdb are your friends. ;)
21:53 < courtc> yea. I'm in gdb now, and have been for hours
21:55 * fre_ber gets a chill down his spine, realizing that courtc is a bot and always has been...
21:55 < veteran_BAH> http://ipodlinux.org/User_talk:Gibb89
21:55 -!- veteran_BAH is now known as veteran
21:55 < veteran> bah!
21:55 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by ChanServ
21:56 < courtc> hah I have all the protocols'n stuff down.. I'm just working on a string parser :/
21:56 < dolph1n> FUCK
21:56 < dolph1n> I meant to do rm -rf /lib
21:56 < dolph1n> * rm -rf lib
21:57 < dolph1n> but I did rm -rf /lib
21:57 < dolph1n> Fuck
21:57 < dolph1n> thats embarrasing
21:57 < courtc> hahaha
21:57 < Dr_Unvisible> do rm -rif next time
21:57 < Dr_Unvisible> i think its "i"
21:57 < dolph1n> -rif is for pussys
21:57 < fre_ber> That's what you get for being logged in as root.
21:57 < dolph1n> Yeah
21:57 < dolph1n> But I have to be logged in as root to do this
21:57 < dolph1n> Fuuuck...
21:58 < Dr_Unvisible> pussys? or people who dont fuck everything up?
21:58 < dolph1n> new slackware install after this shutdown I think
21:58 < dolph1n> root@darkstar:/home/thom# ls /lib
21:58 < dolph1n> bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory
21:58 < dolph1n> fuuuuccckkk.....
21:59 < dolph1n> someone wanna fix it for me if I give them a shell? :)
22:00 < courtc> dolph1n, I doubt you can give anyone a shell..
22:00 < dolph1n> Haha
22:00 < dolph1n> good point
22:00 < dolph1n> shiat
22:00 < dolph1n> ah well
22:00 < dolph1n> at least this time I'll think not to have a 1 gigabye swap partition
22:00 < BleuLlama> when working with decimal numbers on the ipod, is it quicker to use double or float?
22:00 < dolph1n> (wtf was I thinking?)
22:01 < dolph1n> I'm blaming this on you, #ipodlinux
22:01 < courtc> BleuLlama, hmm.. probably double.. but I really cant say for sure..
22:01 < dolph1n> I had to install some stuff as root
22:01 < dolph1n> IT'S YOUR FAULT!
22:01 < BleuLlama> okey. i'll start with that then. thanks courtc. :)
22:01 < fre_ber> I would guess the opposite... ;)
22:02 < BleuLlama> heh
22:02 < dolph1n> dammit
22:02 < fre_ber> But I have no real science to back it up. :)
22:02 < dolph1n> I'd just got my mouse scroll wheel working just right aswell
22:02 < fre_ber> Other than more bits=>more time...
22:03 * BleuLlama likes code re-use; using a set of matrix manipulations routines originally written 1996-June-06. heh.
22:03 < fre_ber> lol
22:03 < BleuLlama> well, i'll try it both ways later on then, to see which seems quicker.
22:04 < dolph1n> ok, I'm gonna try and fix this stupid error
22:04 < courtc> fre_ber, thats not always true.. for instance its faster to changes a byte that a single bit...
22:04 < dolph1n> later guys
22:04 < courtc> than*
22:04 < dolph1n> sure you don't wanna send me /lib on a CD before I go?
22:04 < dolph1n> pah
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22:05 < fre_ber> courtc: True.
22:05 < veteran> that dolphin should wipe that 1337 off of his tail
22:05 < courtc> haha...
22:09 < Dr_Unvisible> i dont understand how he broke 2 ipods
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22:10 < casper> sup ppl
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22:20 < casper> i got a question regarding to ipodlinux
22:21 < courtc> great, so gdb chased my computer :p
22:21 < fre_ber> "chased"?
22:21 < fre_ber> I'd like to see that. :)
22:22 < courtc> er.. crashed
22:22 < fre_ber> :)
22:23 < casper> if i install linux on ipod i can run 2 diffrent ipod such as linux/default (mac) ?
22:23 < fre_ber> "2 diffrent ipod"? Am I exceptionally dense today? I can't understand what people say.
22:24 < leachbj> night all
22:24 < fre_ber> Night. I should go too.
22:24 < casper> i mean the os ipod uses such as mac
22:24 < courtc> night
22:24 < leachbj> btw we can decrypt the firmware now :)
22:25 < fre_ber> Great!
22:25 * leachbj is back (gone 07:13:34)
22:25 < courtc> :)
22:25 < casper> or should i say firmware
22:25 < fre_ber> iPod never has and never will run mac os.
22:25 < casper> i can run linux and mac firmware on a ipod at the sametime ?
22:26 < BleuLlama> you can switch when you reset the ipod
22:26 < fre_ber> Why do you insist on calling it mac, xasper?
22:26 < casper> and the linux has more features that mac would have right
22:27 < BleuLlama> somewhat.
22:27 < casper> ok
22:27 < BleuLlama> you can record at higher bitrates, and there are more games supported, but sound playback isn't as good as apple's... and there's no sleep on it yet (afaik)
22:27 < Jonas_NZ> did leachbj just leave or did he com eback
22:28 < Jonas_NZ> im confused?
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22:28 < fre_ber> I think he left. :)
22:28 < Jonas_NZ> yeah but why did he change from away to back then?
22:28 < courtc> I think he typed /away...
22:29 < casper> BleuLlama: linux is also working on the ipod u2 right ?
22:29 < courtc> no, its not
22:30 < courtc> nor the 4g,mini or photo..
22:30 < macPod> bak
22:30 < BleuLlama> no
22:30 < Hostile> u2 is a 4g
22:30 < BleuLlama> U2,4g,Mini,Photo aren't done yet.
22:31 < casper> ok
22:31 < Hostile> but my precious 3g is
22:31 < BleuLlama> and 1g and 2g don't have audio recording, but that's a hardware limitation
22:31 < Hostile> I wonder...if Apple is still making firmware for the 3g's
22:31 < courtc> eh.. u2 is slimmer than a 4g..
22:31 < casper> BleuLlama: tnx 4 the help
22:31 < BleuLlama> U2 is the same as a 4g, but with different color plastic
22:32 < courtc> BleuLlama, _and_ its slimmer
22:32 < BleuLlama> U2 is thinner than a 20 gig?
22:32 < courtc> isnt it?
22:32 < BleuLlama> i thought it was the same...
22:32 * BleuLlama looks it up at apple.com
22:32 < courtc> are the 40gigs fatter than the 20gigs?
22:32 < BleuLlama> YES
22:32 < BleuLlama> er. yes
22:32 < courtc> oh
22:33 < courtc> never seen a 20gig
22:33 < BleuLlama> i have a 20 gig. :)
22:33 < BleuLlama> http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html
22:33 < courtc> I trust you..
22:34 < BleuLlama> yeah. 20gig thickness == U2.
22:34 < Hostile> yeah
22:34 < BleuLlama> thought you might want to check. It wasnt a trust issue. ;)
22:34 < Hostile> because the U2 is the 20gb
22:34 < Jonas_NZ> just different color
22:34 < Hostile> yep
22:34 < BleuLlama> 20gb=.57", 40gb=.69", photo=.75"(!!!)
22:35 < BleuLlama> that's insanely thick. heh
22:35 < Hostile> Yeah 3/4 of an inch = big
22:36 < courtc> well.. I gotta eat sometime.
22:40 < BleuLlama> i was at a friend's house on sunday, and he as a 3g 40gb, and man, that thing was thick... i can't imagine the photo...
22:40 * BleuLlama is used to his tiny 20gb
22:40 < Hostile> Yeah I have a 3g 15gb...its tiny
22:41 < BleuLlama> i wish my g4 had the trackwheel of the 3g... i like the feel of it more than my click wheel.
22:41 < BleuLlama> it's a lot easier to spin through long lists without your finger sliding off. ;)
22:41 < BleuLlama> <- lazy
22:41 < Jonas_NZ> ^ Lazy
22:42 < Hostile> Yeah...my friend has a click wheel 4g...but I love my 3g scroll wheel
22:42 < BleuLlama> and although it takes more care to deal with, i think i like the 1g's wheel a lot more than the 3g's
22:42 < BleuLlama> (mechanical)
22:43 < BleuLlama> anyhoo.
22:43 < Hostile> I've only used a 3g..so ;)
22:45 < BleuLlama> most of my friends have 3g's
22:47 < Hostile> Yeah 4g's were out when I got mine...but I just got a 3g off ebay for 100 dollars cheaper than a 4g
22:48 < BleuLlama> sure.
22:49 < BleuLlama> if i would have bought one, it prolly would have been a 3g, but this was a gift from my parents... (best birthday present they ever gave me)
22:49 < Hostile> and I can use linux on it ;)
22:49 < BleuLlama> yep, heh
22:49 < Hostile> Yeah...mine was a gift too...but my parents would only spend 200 on me
22:50 < BleuLlama> and within like 3 days of getting it, i was going to london and paris on my honeymoon, so while cramming to get evyerthing done for our reception, i was also constantly ripping CDs to it. heh.
22:51 < Hostile> lol
22:51 < BleuLlama> and at the same time, my Belkin friend gave me a box full of accessories for it. :D
22:51 < Hostile> I use linux on my computer but I like AAC so I rip my cds on my Windows computer
22:51 < Hostile> lucky...tell him to send some my way
22:51 < BleuLlama> flip case, media reader, car adapters, fm transmitter, microphone, etc...
22:51 < BleuLlama> heh. i used to have the 50% off code for their website...
22:52 < BleuLlama> well, i still have it, but it doesn't work anymore.
22:52 < BleuLlama> "12345" believe it or not.
22:52 < BleuLlama> heh
22:52 < Hostile> lol
22:52 < Hostile> I want the fm transmitter and mic
22:52 < BleuLlama> i've since gotten SendStation Pocketdocks, a regular apple dock and some other things..
22:53 < Jonas_NZ> i have an iTrip
22:53 < Hostile> mine came with a dock
22:53 < Jonas_NZ> but i dont hav anything else yet
22:53 < BleuLlama> the mic works well. I recorded various things while on our trip.. sheep bleating at Stonehenge, subways, etc.
22:53 < BleuLlama> the 20gb didn;t come with a dock. just the dock cable.
22:53 < Jonas_NZ> in a few days im getting an Exo4 iSkin for it
22:53 < BleuLlama> i had one. it scuffed up the front of my ipod
22:53 < Hostile> I'm saving up now for some iCleaner
22:54 < Hostile> so I can take my scratches off my screen
22:54 < Hostile> and I just replaced the battery in it
22:54 < BleuLlama> some dust got between the skin and the pod, and got stuck in there, and just moving it around scuffed it all up.
22:54 < BleuLlama> now i just throw the pod in my pocket, or into the belkin flip case.
22:54 < Hostile> yeah thats what everyone says happens
22:54 < Hostile> so I just use mine bare
22:54 < Hostile> I have an iSkin tho
22:55 < BleuLlama> i try to take care of it, but shit happens, you know?
22:55 < Jonas_NZ> yeah and cos its so shiny all the minor scratches shwo up
22:56 < BleuLlama> yep
22:56 < BleuLlama> anyway. i'm outta here. see yas later.
22:56 < Hostile> cya
22:56 < Jonas_NZ> l8r
22:57 < Hostile> thats the most I've talked in here in a while
22:57 < fre_ber> later
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23:11 < Thijs> goodnigh !
23:11 < Thijs> till tomorrow :)
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23:19 < yortje> a lot of times, when i see segfaults in printf, it's usually due to overwritting ram (going past ends of buffers) and the like elsewhere in the code.
23:19 < yortje> What will it do? Pass the Turing test? I love that stuff. :)
23:19 < yortje> dbx and gdb are your friends. ;)
23:19 < yortje> yea. I'm in gdb now, and have been for hours
23:19 < yortje> * fre_ber gets a chill down his spine, realizing that courtc is a bot and always has been...
23:19 < yortje> http://ipodlinux.org/User_talk:Gibb89
23:19 < yortje> * veteran_BAH is now known as veteran
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23:23 < matthis> Hi
23:23 < matthis> How's everyone? (anyone here? ;)
23:23 < Jonas_NZ> hmm, Jonas_NZ is not here
23:23 < macPod> ja
23:24 < matthis> just thought I'd give a small break to the cultural revolution and say hello
23:24 < matthis> oh, @macPod, did the japanese guy complete the translation?
23:24 < macPod> yup
23:25 < matthis> ok cool
23:25 < macPod> pretty quickly too
23:25 < matthis> nice
23:25 < macPod> but not as fast as the chinese translation
23:25 < macPod> the person finished it in about 30 minutes + 15 min for the read me]
23:25 < matthis> lol! wow..
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23:30 < earnan> hello
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23:32 < macPod> http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5668.html
23:34 < earnan> that's sick!
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23:51 < Jonas_NZ> you guys remember that SNOJOBED article?
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