--- Log opened Thu Jan 06 00:00:03 2005
00:10 < veteran_BAH> fre_ber - how drastic are the changes from linux/cygwin?
00:10 < fre_ber> I don't know...
00:10 < veteran_BAH> we really want to try to keep all build instructions on one page, so if a change is made it can be made in one place instead of three
00:11 < fre_ber> I know, but I think it would be better to keep it separate for a while, until people can verify it. Then we can find the common steps and merge them.
00:11 < fre_ber> imo
00:12 < veteran_BAH> alright... for the new page you're making
00:12 < fre_ber> In the process of writeing the page, I'm also cleaning it up slightly. :)
00:12 < veteran_BAH> copy/paste the wiki code from http://ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla
00:12 < veteran_BAH> and modify that... that way it's easier to merge the two
00:12 < fre_ber> Too late.. ;)
00:12 < fre_ber> But I will see what I can do..
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00:13 < fre_ber> Any good way to use #ifdef inside the list of OBJS in the makefile?
00:14 < veteran_BAH> hm, variables?
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00:14 < courtc> fre_ber, look again
00:14 < courtc> ifneq ($(IPOD),)
00:15 < courtc> OBJS+=\
00:15 < courtc>         mp3decoder.o
00:15 < courtc> endif
00:15 < fre_ber> Ahh...
00:15 < fre_ber> But it would break the diff.. ;)
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00:17 < courtc> which one do I kick?
00:17 < courtc> both?
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00:17 < veteran_BAH> both.
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00:18 < veteran> wow... maybe i should just use dialup
00:21 < veteran> This page has been accessed 102304 times.
00:22 < veteran> happy 102304th!
00:22 < macpod> which page?
00:22 < veteran> er... ours?
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00:22 < courtc> damn, we missed it.. :p
00:22 < fre_ber> Double damn.
00:23 < veteran> well it wont be too long before the 999999th
00:23 < courtc> :)
00:23 < veteran> refereshing, isn't it?
00:23 < veteran> (har har har)
00:23 < courtc> patches@ipodlinux.org
00:24 < fre_ber> I don't know if this is understandable, but I think this is what I did. http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Building_Podzilla_for_the_Desktop_in_Windows/Cygwin
00:24 < fre_ber> Excluding the detour into libitunesdb... :|
00:24 < fre_ber> Hmm, maybe I should upload those header files?
00:25  * veteran really hopes nobody asks about that in IRC
00:26 < courtc> i understand it.. 
00:26 < fre_ber> lmao
00:26 < veteran> Oh! Goto the wiki for that one:
00:26  * veteran takes a deep breath
00:26  * veteran warms up, stretches fingers
00:26 < veteran> http://ipodlinux.org/Building_Podzilla_for_the_Desktop_in_Windows/Cygwin
00:26 < fre_ber> rofl
00:27 < fre_ber> Nice touch with the / in the page name, I thought..
00:27 < fre_ber> :)
00:27 < veteran> heheh very
00:27 < fre_ber> Didn't think.. Sorry.
00:28 < veteran> s'fine i've practiced typing it a few times so i'm ready
00:29 < courtc> "<joeJ>Is it possible to compile podzilla for x11 in cygwin?"          *courtc bans JoeJ
00:29 < fre_ber> rofl
00:30 < veteran> haha!
00:31 < fre_ber> Damn, that is the second movie you guys made me miss... I should have watched tv about four hours ago.. :|
00:31 < veteran> alias premiere tonight ;)
00:31 < fre_ber> Cool
00:31 < courtc> Us? you could've stopped trying to compile podzilla 8 hours ago..
00:32 < fre_ber> Of course not.. :)
00:32 < fre_ber> You forced me to keep trying...
00:32 < veteran> don't feel bad, fre_ber...
00:32 < veteran> your 1.7kb contribution to the WIKI is much appreciated
00:32 < fre_ber> roflk
00:33 < veteran> ;) nah it really is
00:33 < fre_ber> ...and all I get to eat is a carrot...
00:34 < macpod> how do you upload pics on the wiki?
00:34 < macpod> I know I've done ti before :)
00:34 < fre_ber> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Special:Upload
00:34 < macpod> yer going to kill me for this upload :)
00:34 < veteran> macpod, in cygwin?
00:34 < macpod> huh?
00:35 < veteran> "how do you upload pics on the wiki?"
00:35 < fre_ber> lol
00:35 < macpod> ..
00:35 < fre_ber> Don't forget to install the correct packages first.
00:37 < veteran> fre_ber - are you editing the page currently?
00:37 < veteran> it's about to get moooooooved
00:37 < fre_ber> No
00:37 < macpod> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Image:Ipod_tux.jpg
00:37 < veteran> alright, just making sure
00:37 < macpod> notice anything different? :)
00:37 < veteran> hahahah!
00:38 < veteran> post a link to that in the thread
00:38 < macpod> I did
00:40 < courtc> heh
00:40 < veteran> wait... s/hahahah!/why'd you do that!?
00:41 < veteran> i thought you made a winking version
00:41 < macpod> lol what?
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00:41 < veteran> appearently i dont know my screenshots well enough
00:42 < macpod> I should post a really raunchy image :D
00:42 < macpod> .. nah
00:42 < fre_ber> Can't I upload other things than images? It said "not recommended image format: gz" and the file wasn't uploaded..
00:43 < veteran> eh, post on bottom of wanted section
00:43 < fre_ber> k
00:44 < veteran> fre_ber - those long parts should be diffs uploaded
00:44 < fre_ber> My last post there got removed without a solution. *cough
00:44 < veteran> or maybe even just seperate wiki pages cygwin_microwindows_diff etc etc
00:45 < veteran> which ?
00:45 < courtc> tex
00:45 < fre_ber> I could, of course host the file on my server, but that wouldn't be very good...
00:45 < fre_ber> Yes, TeX.
00:46 < veteran> oh. i think we're afraid of forumlas.
00:47 < fre_ber> Lol
00:47 < veteran> formulas*
00:47 < veteran> wow i've typed forum too much
00:47 < courtc> veteran, have you done anything with that script you stole from #rockbox ?
00:47 < fre_ber> I wanted to see if it was possible to make nice file trees with that.
00:47 < veteran> courtc - no mod_perl is disabled
00:47 < veteran> and trying to think of a clean way to fit it in with the WIKI
00:48 < veteran> fre_ber - try it out on wikipedia's sandbox
00:49 < courtc> hm.. once again I am out of music..
00:49 < fre_ber> So, you will only enable it if I can prove results? ;)
00:51 < veteran> that's right =)
00:52 < veteran> TeX isn't installed on that particular server
00:52 < veteran> so it's more than just enabling
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00:52 < fre_ber> Ah..
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01:01 < fre_ber> It takes a long time to generate the PNG.... :|
01:02 < fre_ber> And the result sucks.. :)
01:02 < courtc> well thats good news for veteran 
01:03 < fre_ber> Yes, but that was just the first approach.. :)
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01:26 < courtc> come on, everyones doing it.. :p
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01:28 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5571#5571 hahaha..  busonerd is back!
01:29 < macpod> lol
01:30 < fre_ber> lol
01:30 < mikegrb> lolz
01:31 < courtc> thats going in my bookmarks..
01:33 < fre_ber> Darn, this Wiki has too few TeX modules installed, maybe I should drop this...
01:34 < courtc> fre_ber, you dont like my art?
01:35 < fre_ber> Yes, normally I enjoy ascii art, but I just thought the it would be neat with a graphical tree instead.. ;)
01:35 < fre_ber> *that
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01:44 < kevin_> Hello
01:44 < BleuLlama> how do i get to the point where i can check things in to CVS? or do i just give patches to one of the developers?
01:44 < BleuLlama> (for podzilla)
01:44 < BleuLlama> or is there a review process or something?
01:45 < fre_ber> I don't know, I just send the sources to some random people and there it went.. ;)
01:45 < BleuLlama> lol
01:45 < BleuLlama> ok
01:45 < fre_ber> No, actually I think that the honchos want to look at the source/diff and then check it in.
01:45 < courtc> patches@ipodlinux.org is working... all patches are sent there from now on
01:46 < BleuLlama> okey
01:46 < fre_ber> Ah, great! Didn't know that.
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02:09 < fre_ber> Does any of you know how to use IDA? Or is that leachbj's domain? ;)
02:09 < courtc> veteran, that funky new posts thing is happening to the forum agin.. :p
02:10 < courtc> <-linux
02:10 < courtc> veteran, what was the problem last time?
02:11 < courtc> ah nm, probably a cookie error, I can't log out..
02:13 < fre_ber> IDA works in Linux...
02:13 < fre_ber> ..or not?
02:15 < courtc> dunno, sure looks like a win32 api to me..
02:15 < fre_ber> Yes, but it said something about linux on their home page...
02:15 < fre_ber> Maybe it was just wishful thinking...
02:15 < fre_ber> "IDA Pro 4.7:enhanced support for fragmented functions, a Linux console version, source code release... are what people are talking about."
02:16 < fre_ber> The last part ruins it.. ;)
02:22  * BleuLlama is turning the podzilla hard-coded menu structures into a file that's parsed on startup...
02:23 < courtc> Yea, I've done that.. I hope you arent using xml :p
02:24 < BleuLlama> nope.  just a simple text file.  i didn't want the overhead of an xml file.
02:24 < courtc> I found that the fluxbox menu structure works quite well
02:24 < normalperson> XML: the favorite format of mediocore corporate programmers everywhere!
02:24 < BleuLlama> wait... you've already done this?
02:24 < courtc> Uh, yea
02:24 < fre_ber> rofl
02:24 < BleuLlama> normal: xml has its uses... just that this inst' one of them
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02:25 < BleuLlama> the podzilla source i have doesn't have that integrated into it
02:25 < courtc> Thats because I never integrated it.. I'm never completly satisfied with my code..
02:26 < BleuLlama> crap.  well... no reason to re-do your work.  i'll just trash this then.
02:26 < normalperson> wow, I don't know who that busonerd guy is, but I love him already
02:26 < BleuLlama> i knew i should have asked around before i started working on this, this afternoon.  I mentioned it in here, but no one said that anyone else was doing it...
02:26 < courtc> BleuLlama: nah, have at it... I can send you my old(incomplete) code
02:27 < BleuLlama> i'm almost done.
02:27 < BleuLlama> or at least i was
02:27 < courtc> oh.. well, finish it
02:28 < courtc> normalperson, haha yea, that is a good post eh?
02:29 < normalperson> courtc: aye
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02:33 < courtc> BleuLlama, no sense in putting your code to waste.. i simply built mine to test the feasability of splitting podzilla..
02:34 < BleuLlama> ok.  i was gonna just use mine in my own test app, but i realized i could apply it back to podzilla proper, so i'm now putting in support for OPTION type things...
02:35 < courtc> Yea, those are the types of things I never got around to..
02:35 < BleuLlama> i split pointers to functions into an internal list with a cross-reference key... I'm going to just do something similar for the option lists
02:36 < BleuLlama> like the othello game's key is "game/othello".  although it could be "caffeinated cheese" if you wanted it to be that.
02:36 < BleuLlama> i'll have it done later tonight.
02:37 < courtc> haha, I smell easter eggs
02:37 < BleuLlama> heh
02:37 < BleuLlama> nah.  i don't put easter eggs in open source software.  seems wasteful and obvious to anyone who has the code. heh.
02:37 < BleuLlama> perhaps i'll put something fun in the game i'm gonna write after this...
02:38 < courtc> obfuscation :p
02:38 < BleuLlama> Ever since I got my iPod, i've wanted to play Tempest on the thing... so i'll write it.
02:39 < courtc> how expandable is your config file system?
02:39 < BleuLlama> seems perfect with the spinner. heh...
02:40 < BleuLlama> it's jsut '|' seperated fields.  so... very expandable.
02:40 < BleuLlama> why, what do you want to do with it?
02:40 < courtc> I'm asking because it would be nice to be able to add image functionality easily...
02:41 < BleuLlama> although, now that i'm thinking about it, i'm considering changing it over to a INI style version (i have old INI read/write code) which we could use for the config file too...
02:41 < courtc> icons or such.. but dont tell anyone i said that..
02:42 < BleuLlama> well, i was also thinking of adding in a more flexible file-type discriminator
02:42 < BleuLlama> so that it could do the right thing based on file type, not necessarily due to file extensions
02:42 < BleuLlama> oh. i gotcha
02:43 < BleuLlama> hmm.  INI wouldn't work for what i want to do. nevermind that.
02:43  * BleuLlama goes back to coding the strtok() based parser
02:43 < courtc> bleh..
02:44 < courtc> strtok hates me
02:44 < courtc> and vise versa
02:44 < BleuLlama> it's confusing the first few times you use it.
02:44 < BleuLlama> it's just got a really strange interface
02:44 < Delirious> anyone thought anything about my problem? it is: i cannot play mp3s in ipodzilla ("cannot open mp3" appears after very brief buffering) but i can play them just fine through the file browser. also, i have the latest kernel and latest ipodzilla running.
02:45 < Delirious> sorry to repeat the same thing over and over =)
02:45 < courtc> i understand it, i just don't understand it.. if you know what i mean..
02:45 < BleuLlama> dunno
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02:45 < Delirious> the interface
02:45 < courtc> Delirious, hold up I've got a bin for you
02:45 < BleuLlama> you know what it's supposed to be doing, but you don't know the proper magic to get it to happen?
02:45 < Delirious> or my problem
02:45 < Delirious> ohhh?
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02:46 < courtc> BleuLlama, I know how to make it do what its supposed to do, but i dont understand why it has to do it that way.. :p
02:46 < BleuLlama> aaah
02:46 < BleuLlama> yeah.  it's f'ed up
02:47 < BleuLlama> i'd rather it worked like perl's split function
02:47 < BleuLlama> pass in a char or a regex or something, and it returns an array of strings
02:47 < BleuLlama> but noooooooooo
02:50 < fre_ber> Now it is way passed that time again...
02:50 < fre_ber> Good night everybody!
02:50 < BleuLlama> night fre
02:50 < courtc> night fre_ber 
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02:51 < BleuLlama> I don't understand "ACTION_MENU_PREV_SUB"... what does that do?
02:51 < courtc> returns you to the previous menu..
02:51 < BleuLlama> how is that different than SUB_MENU_PREV?
02:51 < courtc> oh wait
02:52 < BleuLlama> ~line 300 menu.c it seems to be used, but i'm not getting it.
02:53 < courtc> exec function; return to prev menu
02:53 < courtc> its a combo..
02:53 < BleuLlama> aaah. ok. gotcha.
02:53 < BleuLlama> yeah. okay. that makes sense.  heh
02:55 < courtc> Delirious, http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/podzilla
02:56 < courtc> use that, try to open an mp3, then quit podzilla and see what the error is..
02:56 < BleuLlama> what was "DISPLAY_MENU" supposed to be used for?  Nothing uses it...
02:57 < courtc> who knows..
02:57 < BleuLlama> heh.
02:57 < BleuLlama> lol
02:57 < courtc> Delirious, still here?
03:09 < BleuLlama> sweet. i just realized a bonus of doing the menus in an external file...  it'll be dirt simple to add support for another language
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03:12 < macpod> ya
03:12 < macpod> just make sure the file is utf8
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03:20 < courtc> damn it Delirious 
03:21 < courtc> I waited all f'ing day for you to come in here..
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03:28 < bogeyman> Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday April 06, @12:19AM
03:28 < bogeyman> from the get-your-hack-on dept.
03:28 < bogeyman> elinenbe writes "The Linux on iPod Project has just crossed a milestone. Currently their firmware works on all ipod models other then the new mini. Sound plays and for many people it has more features then the original iPod firmware!"
03:29 < bogeyman> you guys dont have 4g support yet rite>
03:29 < bogeyman> ?
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03:44 < Codvx> Hey all, Is there any way possible I could use my iPod 4G with my linux box?
03:48 < BleuLlama> hmm. this is really coming together.
03:49 < BleuLlama> I'm not sure the data file is the best format, but the idea is solid, i think...
03:49 < BleuLlama> then again, it might be crap, for all i know. heh
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04:47 < davidc__> 'hello all
04:48 < bogeyman> hey
04:56 < davidc__> time for some kernel hacking! /me scurries off.
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05:16 < BleuLlama> whoot. parser done.  now jsut gotta change over the main app to display my menus instead of the hardcoded ones
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05:58 < Delirious> courtc: hi
05:58 < Delirious> so i should install that podzilla?
06:10 < BleuLlama> i am sooo close.  it's drawing one menu, but not tracking properly...
06:18 < normalperson> so, do I load an flt or elf image into arm-elf-gdb?
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06:20 < macPod> so yea 
06:21 < macPod> I spend all this time porting tic tac toestuff
06:21 < macPod> to realize the code is messed up
06:21 < Wammy> good day all.
06:21 < macPod> :/
06:21 < macPod> hey wam
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06:22 < jintonic_> heya
06:23 < Wammy> heya macPod
06:23 < Wammy> what you up too?
06:23 < macPod> bout to go to sleep
06:23 < jintonic_> me too
06:23 < macPod> after coding a new tic tac toe engine
06:23 < jintonic_> which is weird cuz its only 10:30
06:24 < BleuLlama> i am sooo close to getting this new menu mechanism done
06:24 < BleuLlama> :D
06:24 < jintonic_> i'm tired after spending a couple hours getting x to work on ubuntu
06:26 < nilss> mhm i thought about dumping the ipods flash through the piezo and now i can cause the piezo to make a short or a long "squeek"...
06:27 < nilss> is someone familiar with audio processing in here?
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06:31 < Wammy> http://www.2038bug.com/index.html
06:31 < Wammy> Luke: need me?
06:38 < nilss> how can i access memory directly in c?
06:44 < nilss> an int on ipod is 32bit, right?
06:44 < BleuLlama> char *addr = 0x4242;  *addr = 'v';
06:44 < BleuLlama> to access byte by byte
06:45 < BleuLlama> to put 'v' into address 0x4242
06:45 < nilss> thx
06:45 < BleuLlama> np
06:45 < Wammy> i dont really think that 32 bit apps will still exist in 1038
06:45 < Wammy> 2038*
06:45 < nilss> my question wasnt related to that url ;)
06:46 < Wammy> no ya
06:46 < Wammy> but thats my theory
06:47 < BleuLlama> awesome!  got my menu working. :D
06:47 < Wammy> why do memory locations start with 0x ?
06:48 < BleuLlama> that means the value is hex
06:48 < Wammy> ah! ok
06:48 < nilss> how many bits does a 'volatile unsigned long' have on the ipod?
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06:48 < BleuLlama> 0x0f = 15 = 017   (017 is octal)
06:48 < BleuLlama> dunno, nliss
06:49 < Wammy> how does it go from 15 to 017 ?
06:50 < davidc__> nilss: 32
06:50 < BleuLlama> the 0 before the digit means it's octal... each 'digit' has a value from 0..7
06:50 < nilss> thx
06:50 < davidc__> nilss: volatile means that it should be treated like a register.
06:50 < nilss> so my memory dumper should work now...
06:50 < davidc__> nilss: hmm?
06:50 < BleuLlama> octal: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 20
06:50 < davidc__> memory dumper?
06:51 < BleuLlama> hex: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f 10
06:51 < nilss> it dumps about 1.2 bit/second ;)
06:51 < BleuLlama> you know decimal
06:51 < nilss> yeah, i'm dumping the flash from the 4g trough the piezo
06:51 < davidc__> nilss: er.
06:51 < davidc__> whoa.
06:51 < davidc__> why?
06:51 < nilss> because there's no other way at the moment ;)
06:51 < davidc__> heh.. good point
06:51 < Wammy> BleuLlama: what is the point of octal/hex?
06:52 < Wammy> i _think_ i know the point of binary
06:52 < davidc__> nilss: how do you plan to load the dump...
06:52 < davidc__> microphone?
06:52 < BleuLlama> well, hex is how data is stored... one "byte" can hold a number from 0 to 255 (0x00 - 0xff)
06:52 < davidc__> or wires-soldered-to-piezo?
06:52 < nilss> davidc__: record a .wav through my laptops mic and then write something that converts it into a binary.
06:53 < BleuLlama> octal was used on older machines, one byte held 0..7
06:53 < BleuLlama> more or less
06:53 < BleuLlama> decimal is just what we're used to.
06:53 < Wammy> 1 byte = 8 bits, if im right
06:53 < Wammy> 0 to 7
06:53 < Wammy> thats 8
06:53 < BleuLlama> 4 bits is 0 to 7
06:53 < davidc__> nilss: hrm.. how long were you planning the blips to be?
06:54 < Wammy> huh?
06:54 < BleuLlama> 0000 0001 0010 0011 0100 0101 0110 0111 1000 etc.
06:54 < davidc__> BleuLlama: 4 bits is 0-15
06:54 < nilss> at the moment it's about one beep => bit per second...
06:54 < davidc__> nilss: er... thats a bit slow :)
06:54 < Wammy> hah im confused now, lol
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06:54 < BleuLlama> 3 bits is 0 to 7.  it's late. i'm tired
06:54 < davidc__> nilss: even if you try to dump a meg thats... 1024*1024 * 8
06:55 < BleuLlama> 4 bits is 0-15
06:55 < nilss> yea i have to find a way to make it faster
06:56 < davidc__> yeah... to dump a meg will take approx 97 days :)
06:56 < nilss> i think i only have to dump about 64k
06:56 < davidc__> wait, the piezo is on a serial port right?
06:57 < davidc__> why not just desolder the piezo, hook it to a max232, and dump it to the comp?
06:57 < BleuLlama> if you're gonna do that, just use the serial lines on the remote port
06:57 < nilss> 1) i dont want to open it, 2) it's not on a serial port in the 4g
06:58 < davidc__> nilss: ah. didn't know that
06:58 < davidc__> hmm.. I'll see if I can convince my school to buy a 4g for dissection
06:58 < davidc__> they just bought 2 half-life 2 engine liscences.. so they should be able to afford a measely photo
06:59 < nilss> i dont think we need any more dissection...
06:59 < davidc__> no, I can just take the line from the piezo
06:59 < davidc__> hook that up to a serial port and run bit-banged serial
06:59 < davidc__> no uart required :)
06:59 < davidc__> we should be able to get ~33000kbps that way
07:00 < nilss> we only know how to make the piezo "squeek" but not how to turn it on and off so fast
07:01 < davidc__> ah
07:01 < davidc__> hmmmm
07:02 < davidc__> I haven't kept up to date with 4g stuff
07:02 < davidc__> been busy with COP communication stuff
07:03 < nilss> mhm there are about 1,6 seconds silence between each bit
07:03 < davidc__> yech
07:06 < nilss> yeah, much better
07:07 < Wammy> hmmn, octal is used in unix file permitions?
07:07 < nilss> lol 10101010 almost sounds like a beat *g*
07:07 < Wammy> didnt know that one
07:07 < Wammy> octal 0-7, chmod 007 :P
07:09 < nilss> mkay now i only have to make the 0 and 1 more unique :)
07:10 < davidc__> hmm, are they the same?
07:11 < nilss> to my ears not, but i i'm not sure if a computer can discern them
07:11 < nilss> i'll make a ogg :)
07:12 < jintonic> hrm... looks like the building podzilla manual has an error? in building microwindows it doesnt say to cd microwindows/src like ya need to before trying to login to the cvs server
07:12 < nilss> http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump.ogg
07:12 < nilss> a short squeek is 1, a long is 0
07:19 < davidc__> I think I can code up a decoder for that... basically just run a fft on it
07:19 < davidc__> any time you see something in that frequency band
07:21 < Delirious> hi!
07:24 < nilss> i got it even faster :)
07:24 < davidc__> I'm working on a decoder
07:25 < nilss> http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump.jpg
07:25 < nilss> the first 8 bits are for syncing, they're 10101010
07:25 < davidc__> yeah
07:26 < nilss> i'll dump the dumping code itself to test it
07:26 < Wammy> anyone wanna give me a crash course into programing?
07:26 < davidc__> I'm just doing a fft ~ 2khz
07:26 < Wammy> i kinda _know_ the basics of C
07:26 < davidc__> then looking at amplitude
07:26 < Wammy> anyone have a tutorial or anything?
07:28 < nilss> 1byte/0.7sec 
07:28 < davidc__> nilss: mind if I take a look at the code?
07:28 < davidc__> oh
07:28 < davidc__> and the first four bytes should be
07:28 < nilss> so we can dump 64kb in 15 minutes
07:28 < davidc__> [if reading from 0x0]
07:28 < davidc__> ?? 00 00 ea
07:29 < nilss> 0000000 0006 ea00 fffe eaff fffe eaff fffe eaff
07:30 < davidc__> ?
07:30 < davidc__> reading from where?
07:30 < nilss> that are the first 0x9 bytes of the code
07:30 < davidc__> hmmm
07:31 < davidc__> what kind of chunks are you working in?
07:31 < davidc__> 32 byte chunks?
07:31 < davidc__> er
07:31 < davidc__> 32 bit
07:31 < nilss> yea
07:31 < davidc__> spit out big endian or little endian?
07:32 < davidc__> big endian methinks
07:32 < nilss> int byte = inl(p+offset); dump_int(byte);
07:32 < davidc__> I'll put that through my disassmebler and see what I get.
07:32 < davidc__> er.. wait, byte? as in 8 bit chunks?
07:32 < nilss> nope, should be 32bit because it's int
07:32 < davidc__> eh... just named weird :)
07:33 < nilss> i just called it byte cause i thought i'll dump bytes
07:33 < nilss> dump_int does         for(i=0;i<32;i++){ if(getbit(byte,i)) s(); else l(); }
07:34 < davidc__> hmmm
07:34 < davidc__> you sure its starting right?
07:34 < davidc__> the second part looks fine
07:35 < davidc__> just not all those zeros at the beginning
07:35 < nilss> mhm i'm not sure, i start dumping at 0x10000000 and i *think* the loader loads the code there
07:35 < davidc__> hmm.
07:36 < davidc__> er, the standard reset vectors should be at 0x0
07:36 < davidc__> [maybe]
07:36 < nilss> no i want to dump the code i load 
07:36 < davidc__> oh!
07:36 < davidc__> why?
07:37 < nilss> to check if it's the same as the binary i loaded onto the ipod ;)
07:37 < davidc__> heheheh
07:37 < davidc__> well first just do this
07:37 < davidc__> mov r0, pc
07:37 < davidc__> dump r0 :)
07:37 < davidc__> then you get the load addr
07:37 < davidc__> just asm("mov %0, pc" :: "r"(_32_bit_storage_variable_name_goes_here));
07:38 < nilss> mhm i wonder why it's still dumping code
07:38 < davidc__> for sticking inside a C code fragment
07:38 < nilss> 256ints should be dumped in about 3 minutes
07:39 < davidc__> ignore what I said about looking 'right'.. thats looking right compared to vector table
07:43 < davidc__> did you try dumping the pc?
07:45 < nilss> i'll first try dumping single bytes
07:45 < davidc__> well, it dumps the sync byte right?
07:45 < davidc__> just use it to dump the pc, and therefore you know where your code is loaded
07:46 < nilss> yeah, but that's hardcoded as s();l();s();...
07:47 < davidc__> ah
07:47 < davidc__> just run dump (0xAACCAACC)
07:48 < davidc__> that should give a distinctive pattern
07:48 < nilss> i tried dumping 0xf000ffff
07:48 < davidc__> and?
07:48 < nilss> but it looks rather like 0x000000ff 
07:48 < davidc__> hrm
07:49 < davidc__> mind sending some source code?
07:49 < davidc__> I could take a look...
07:49 < davidc__> [just join #ipodlinuxflood and dump to chat]
07:50 < davidc__> [code!code!code! [I wanna peek]]
07:54 < jintonic> when i try to automake -a -f the ituneslib i get the error unrecognized option '-f'
07:54 < BleuLlama> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5615   
07:54 < davidc__> nilss: hmmmmm
07:54 < BleuLlama> my work here is done tonight.
07:55 < davidc__> nilss: code looks fine
07:55 < nilss> 0xf000ffff dumps as 0x00000fff
07:55 < nilss> i counted the bits ;)
07:55 < davidc__> yeah... I dunno why tho
07:56 < davidc__> hmm
07:56 < davidc__> instead of getbit
07:56 < davidc__> just shift the 32 bit word 1 bit to the right
07:56 < davidc__> and compare 0x01 every time
07:57 < davidc__> aka if (byte&0x1) {blah}
07:57 < davidc__> byte >> 1
07:57 < davidc__> see if that makes any difference
07:57 < jintonic> i need some help getting my toolchain setup
07:58 < davidc__> just dl a prebuilt one
07:58 < jintonic> from where?
07:59 < davidc__> ipodlinux sf project
07:59 < davidc__> there are mac and windows ones
07:59 < jintonic> i'm running linux
07:59 < davidc__> ah
08:00 < jintonic> and i'm interested in doing development on the ipod
08:00 < davidc__> I just compiled a toolchain
08:01 < BleuLlama> I SLEEP NOW
08:01 < BleuLlama> goodnight all.
08:01 < BleuLlama> have fun with that flash-sound dump thing you're working on .:)
08:02 < jintonic> hrm... does sourceforge shutdown at night? :-/
08:02 < nilss> n8 BleuLlama 
08:07 < nilss> 0xAACCAACC gets dumped as 100011001101010101001100101010101
08:07 < jintonic> nilss: are you hacking the 4G?
08:07 < nilss> yea
08:08 < jintonic> cool
08:10 < nilss> davidc__: is #define getbit(x,n) ((x)&1L<<(n)) right?
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08:18 < davidc__> nilss: I don't remember order of ops
08:18 < davidc__> nilss: I would put another ( around the 1l << (n) part
08:19 < nilss> 10101010110011001010101011001100
08:19 < davidc__> that looks right
08:19 < nilss> yeah
08:19 < nilss> it works
08:19 < davidc__> sweet
08:19 < nilss> the order was reversed
08:19 < davidc__> yeah
08:19 < davidc__> but it wasnt quite right
08:19 < davidc__> even when reversed
08:20 < davidc__> I checked :)
08:20 < davidc__> so now you got it going right eh?
08:20 < nilss> yeah i checked that too
08:20 < nilss> yeah i hope so
08:20 < nilss> just one question, addresses are always in bytes, right?
08:21 < davidc__> yeah
08:21 < davidc__> its byte based addressing
08:21 < nilss> so i have to increment it by 4?
08:21 < davidc__> I recommend you only address offsets of 4 though
08:21 < davidc__> yeah
08:21 < nilss> k
08:21 < nilss> let's see :)
08:21 < normalperson> ok, podzilla on my desktop running on Nano-X: I can run podzilla, but I can't control it
08:22 < davidc__> try the pc! try the pc! :)
08:22 < normalperson> is it mouse or keyboard control?
08:22 < davidc__> use r+w+m
08:22 < davidc__> keys like that
08:22 < normalperson> ah, just like ipod "keys"
08:22 < normalperson> gotcha :)
08:22 < davidc__> yeah
08:22 < normalperson> thanks
08:22 < davidc__> there are keys that are one step of the scroll wheel too :)
08:23 < nilss> no i'll try dumping 0x10000000
08:23 < nilss> hmm i hear a lot of 0s
08:23 < normalperson> <-- GUI-challenged
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08:24 < nilss> 11101010000000000000000000000000
08:25 < jintonic> nilss: thats the sound of the firmware eating itself
08:25 < jintonic> :)
08:25 < davidc__> hmm
08:25 < Jonas_NZ> any1her euse gentoo?
08:25 < davidc__> nilss: dump the pc
08:27 < nilss> 11101110101011111111111111111111
08:27 < davidc__> nilss: that code you gave me translates to ea000000        b       0x8
08:27 < nilss> 00ea feff ffea <- that's waht it should be
08:27 < davidc__> hmm?
08:28 < davidc__> thats the first 9 bytes if your code?
08:28 < nilss> whoops, sry. i missed a 2 bytes: 0600 00ea feff ffea
08:28 < davidc__> hmm
08:28 < nilss> i'll make an ogg
08:29 < davidc__> did you dump the pc in that second thing?
08:29 < davidc__> because it equates to EEAFFFFF
08:29  * normalperson binds hjkl on desktop podzilla for his own sanity
08:29 < davidc__> which makes no sense
08:29 < nilss> nope, that's still 0x10000000
08:29 < davidc__> oh
08:29 < nilss> maybe i made a mistake reading the bit from the audio
08:29 < nilss> http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump2.ogg
08:30 < davidc__> heh. doing it by hand?
08:30 < nilss> yea
08:31 < davidc__> gah. just try dumping the pc. you must be reading the wrong address :)
08:31 < nilss> i dont know much about fft ;)
08:31 < davidc__> the pc will tell you where your code is!
08:31 < nilss> asm("mov %0, pc" :: "r"(byte)); ?
08:32 < davidc__> yeah
08:32 < davidc__> that will store in byte, the value of pc
08:32 < nilss> let's see :)
08:33 < davidc__> yay!
08:34 < nilss> 00010000000000000000000011111100
08:34 < nilss> looks right
08:35 < davidc__> in that dump2 ogg, what kind of encoding are you using?
08:36 < nilss> encoding?
08:36 < davidc__> still short long?
08:36 < nilss> short = 1, long = 0
08:36 < nilss> http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump.jpg like here
08:36 < davidc__> then why are there occasionally gaps?
08:36 < nilss> i think that are shorts
08:37 < davidc__> huh?
08:37 < davidc__> in this new ogg file you sent me
08:37 < davidc__> I can't tell the difference
08:37 < nilss> in the jpeg, the code above the white line is 101010 and the white line is exactly after the last 0
08:38 < davidc__> yeah
08:38 < davidc__> I follow that, its just in this new dump2 one.
08:38 < davidc__> I could tell with the first ogg you sent me
08:38 < davidc__> by ear
08:38 < davidc__> this second one is way faster
08:38 < nilss> yeah
08:38 < nilss> but the pic is with the faster speed
08:39 < davidc__> hmm
08:39 < davidc__> ok
08:39 < nilss> mhm i cant find the asm code  (mov byte, pc) in the disassembled code of the binary
08:40 < davidc__> it will look like mov [r0, r1, r2,r3, something], pc
08:40 < nilss> should be something like mov [0xfoo], pc or , r15,?
08:40 < davidc__> mov r??, pc
08:41 < nilss>   f4:   e1a0500f        mov     r5, pc
08:41 < davidc__> yeah
08:41 < davidc__> that should be it :)
08:41 < nilss> but then pc should be 100000f8?
08:41 < nilss> or even f4?
08:42 < davidc__> pc is a few bytes ahead of the current address
08:42 < davidc__> well, few instructions ahead
08:42 < davidc__> due to pipelining
08:42 < davidc__> and such
08:42 < nilss> mhm are you sure?
08:42 < davidc__> my calc shows it to be:
08:42 < davidc__> 100000FC
08:42 < davidc__> yeah
08:42 < davidc__> fairly
08:42 < nilss> i see code like mov r1, [pc, #0x44] in the code
08:43 < davidc__> yeah, that means move a constant stored at location [pc + 44] to r1
08:43 < _ryan> the pipeline should be invisible unless you're sniffing the system busses (i.e. invisible from software)
08:43 < davidc__> eh, maybe its not pipelining that causes it then
08:44 < nilss> mhm let's just try decoding dump2.ogg
08:44 < davidc__> ok
08:44 < nilss> maybe the first 16 bytes or something
08:44 < davidc__> but, I know pc doesn't match current address. its off by 2 words,
08:44 < davidc__> [or something like that]
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08:46 < nilss> 2 words are 8 bytes, right?
08:47 < davidc__> yeah
08:47 < nilss> then you are right and the assembler seems to know about that
08:47 < davidc__> yeah, it does :)
08:47 < davidc__> ha!
08:47 < davidc__> anyways, I need sleep now..
08:48 < nilss> mkay :)
08:48 < nilss> n8 :)
08:48 < nilss> i'll try to write a decoder
08:48 < davidc__> nilss: I suggest every 32second word be a sync word or something
08:48 < davidc__> some special value
08:49 < davidc__> or put a big pause every 32 word
08:49 < davidc__> and then a sync word
08:49 < nilss> i dont think it can ever get async because the cpu speed is fixed
08:49 < davidc__> yeah, but if theres a bit of noise on the line :)
08:50 < davidc__> eh.. seems to me that it would be a good sanity check
08:50 < nilss> i'll just see if the first 256bytes got dumped right
08:50 < nilss> if not, i'll put in sync bytes
08:50 < davidc__> ok
08:51 < davidc__> how were you planning to do the decoder?
08:51 < davidc__> export an image?
08:51 < nilss> first i'll do some filtering with sox and then i'll mostly do fft
08:51 < nilss> and then look for the first sync byte
08:52 < davidc__> jas.. I determined the frequency
08:52 < nilss> 2277,34hz
08:52 < davidc__> you already got it, I see :)
08:52 < nilss> yeah, baudline is a useful tool for this work ;)
08:53 < davidc__> I see 2282, but hey :)
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08:54 < nilss> mhm yea, the peak is at 2281.25
08:55 < nilss> one bit is about 0.072sec
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08:56 < jintonic> piratePenguin: poser
08:56 < jintonic> :P
08:56 < davidc__> 0.72 second for short or long?
08:56 < nilss> ~average
08:57 < piratePenguin> heh
08:57 < nilss> short is about 0.55 and long around 0.8
08:59 < davidc__> maybe I'm confused,
08:59 < davidc__> but in dump2
08:59 < davidc__> I see a pulsetrain of a whole bunch of 0.1 second pulses
08:59 < davidc__> about 6 seconds into it
09:01 < nilss> that are longs
09:01 < davidc__> huh?
09:01 < davidc__> but they're 0.1 sec long.. betweeen pulses
09:02 < davidc__> I thought longs were 0.8 between pulses
09:02 < davidc__> eh.. maybe I'm just confused
09:03 < nilss> 0.08sec
09:03 < jintonic> posing off my irc client even! jeeez...
09:03 < jintonic> :P
09:03 < davidc__> ah. 0.08.. not 0.8 :)
09:03 < nilss> let's just let the decoder search for the sync bits and then let it compute how long the bits are
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09:05 < jintonic> changed your irc client?
09:05 < piratePenguin> me?
09:05 < jintonic> yeah, just playing :P
09:05 < davidc__> geh.. too bad baudline is closed source
09:06 < piratePenguin> nah I stole someones quit message (from a different server)
09:06 < piratePenguin> jintonic: you on ubuntu?
09:07 < jintonic> yup
09:07 < jintonic> lovin it too
09:07 < piratePenguin> I'm still waiting for my cd's ro arrive... dont think I'll use them now, caused I've got LFS almost setup :p
09:07 < jintonic> haha
09:08  * nilss now learns how to use fft :)
09:08 < jintonic> i hear people saying they've been waiting for months for those cd's
09:08 < piratePenguin> yep.. I'm waitin bout 2 weeks
09:08 < piratePenguin> dont really want them now heh
09:08 < jintonic> free, right?
09:08 < piratePenguin> yup.. which is class
09:09 < davidc__> nilss: be prepared to be scared
09:09 < jintonic> indeed
09:09 < davidc__> I suggest using something like octave
09:09 < piratePenguin> 15 cd's .. 5 for pc, 5 for ppc, and another 5 for pc or somethin... cant remember
09:10 < nilss> davidc__: i know how fft works in theory. i just haven't used in yet...
09:10 < jintonic> nice
09:10 < jintonic> doesn't sound like they'll be able to keep that up for long :P
09:10 < piratePenguin> I've never touched a PPC before.. nor do I intend to.. just taut I'd get the cd's anyhow.. cause they're free :)
09:11 < jintonic> yeah, i'm considering getting em now
09:12 < piratePenguin> I dont even want 'em anymore.. if they came earlier, I might hav tried it
09:13 < Jonas_NZ> cd's of what, sorry i wasnt paying attention and can find it
09:13 < jintonic> ubuntu
09:13 < piratePenguin> linux dist...
09:13 < piratePenguin> http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ :p
09:14 < Jonas_NZ> oh, ill hav a look
09:14 < jintonic> yup, a kickass one... based on debian but with a 100x better install and first boot experience
09:14 < nilss> davidc__: do you know a fft lib i could use?
09:15 < davidc__> not off the top of my head
09:15 < davidc__> I would suggest using a numerical analysis package like octave
09:15 < davidc__> [its free and open source]
09:15 < jintonic> i'm not gonna order a copy, i already downloaded an iso for x86, amd64 and ppc would go to waste on me and i'll probably only ever install ubuntu on one system at a time
09:15 < davidc__> a script in it might be able to do what you need
09:15 < jintonic> if there were a manual or something i might be interested tho :-/
09:16 < piratePenguin> jintonic: I'm on dialup... so I cant download :(
09:16 < Jonas_NZ> piratePenguin, how long to ship em?
09:16 < piratePenguin> jintonic: they have some sorta documentation
09:16 < piratePenguin> Jonas_NZ: I've been waitin 2 weeks now....
09:16 < piratePenguin> try askin in #ubuntu
09:16 < Jonas_NZ> k
09:19 < Jonas_NZ> How Long Will It Take?
09:19 < Jonas_NZ> Short Answer: 4-6 Weeks
09:19 < jintonic> sounds about right
09:20 < piratePenguin> probably
09:20 < nilss> davidc__: http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~emin/source_code/fft/fft.c could this be useful?
09:20 < nilss> lol... nils@fly ~/ipodlinux % file dump.wav 
09:20 < nilss> dump.wav: Apple II image with white background
09:21 < davidc__> hehehhe
09:21 < nilss> i wanted to know how many channels the file has...
09:21 < davidc__> its mono 8000hz I think
09:21 < davidc__> well, thats what decoding the ogg you gave me to a wave yields
09:22 < nilss> AUDIO: 8000 Hz, 1 ch, 8 bit (0x8), ratio: 8000->8000 (64.0 kbit)
09:22 < Jonas_NZ> any1 have any idea how i can do this, i have a text document with a whole lot of urls devided as such file1-mirror1 file1-mirror2 file1-mirror3...... \n\n file2-mirror1 file2-mirror2... and i want to split it out so the first mirror for each file is on a separate line and the other mirrors are thrown out
09:23 < Jonas_NZ> eg, file1 \n file 2 \n file3
09:24 < nilss> http://www.physionet.org/physiotools/wfdb/psd/fft.c hmm
09:29 < davidc__> anyways
09:29 < davidc__> need sleep
09:29 < davidc__> g'night
09:29 < nilss> mkay, n8
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09:29 < tlg> Jonas_NZ: use awk
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09:29 < Jonas_NZ> tlg any idea how?
09:30 < tlg> cat myfile | awk '{print $1}'
09:31 < tlg> cat myfile | awk '/.+/{print $1}'
09:31 < tlg> so that it skips empty lines
09:31 < nilss> undefined reference to `sin', which -l option do i have to use?
09:31 < tlg> -lm
09:31 < nilss> thx
09:32 < Jonas_NZ> tlg, you are a master of awk, but cheers, works perfectly
09:33 < tlg> no worries
09:33 < Jonas_NZ> that converted a 800kb file into 4kb
09:33 < Jonas_NZ> :P
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09:37 < nilss> hi leachbj :)
09:37 < leachbj> hi nilss
09:37 < Jonas_NZ> leachbj welcome back
09:38 < Jonas_NZ> had a good holiday?
09:38 < nilss> http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump2.ogg
09:38 < nilss> the ipod dumping the code at 0x10000000
09:38 < leachbj> well.... yeah it was nice (girlfriends parents were visiting so we showed them around germany/france a little)
09:39 < Jonas_NZ> sounds like fun
09:39 < leachbj> ;)
09:39 < leachbj> nilss: hmmm.. ok
09:39 < Jonas_NZ> anyways, i took these if your interested
09:39 < Jonas_NZ> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=4gImages&action=edit
09:39 < Jonas_NZ> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=4gImages *
09:40 < nilss> leachbj: now we only have to write a decoder, i and davidc__ decoded some bytes using a audio editor and it worked.
09:47 < Jonas_NZ> brb
09:54  * normalperson gives Most Useless use of cat award to tlg :)
09:55 < tlg> :)
09:56 < tlg> awk '/.+/{print $1}' < myfile
09:57 < tlg> awk '/.+/{print $1}' myfile
09:57 < tlg> :)
09:57 < Jonas_NZ> lol
09:57 < normalperson> :)
09:58 < nilss> mhm decoding the audio file isn't easy...
09:58 < tlg> I've always used it in a bunch of pipes ...
09:58 < leachbj> sorry bit distracted...
09:59 < leachbj> nilss: why did you dump 0x10000000?
09:59 < nilss> to see if the decoder works ;)
09:59 < nilss> if it works, i'll dump 0x0
10:01 < leachbj> ok cool...
10:01 < leachbj> how did you make the ogg?
10:01 < normalperson> ok, I've started some baby steps at making a podzilla with mpd support
10:02 < leachbj> Jonaz_NZ where are those images?
10:02 < nilss> http://nilss.prout.be/files/dump.c
10:02 < normalperson> but I think I'll sleep, first
10:02 < nilss> mhm that was the testing code :)
10:02 < normalperson> I'll put my FLAC ldm* mystery away for a while
10:02 < Jonas_NZ> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=4gImages *
10:02 < nilss> fixed ;)
10:03 < leachbj> Jonaz_NZ: they seem to have been moved/deleted?
10:03 < Jonas_NZ> leachbj, hmm ill have a look
10:05 < Jonas_NZ> leach, sum1 moved em: http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g_PCB_Images
10:06 < leachbj> Jonaz_NZ: yeah they are some pretty good shots!  the ipod photo pcb's are also up and we started cuting out the individual ic's
10:06 < leachbj> nilss: so then its recorded with the microphone and ogg encoded?
10:06 < nilss> yea
10:07 < leachbj> and so the 0x100... cod is that program dump.c?
10:07 < nilss> yea
10:07 < leachbj> cool..
10:07 < Jonas_NZ> i take it you heard about the slashdotting then leachbj
10:08 < leachbj> yup... not quite the hat-trick but it shows up like one on the stats ;)
10:08 < nilss> now i have to find a way to convert the ogg back to binary
10:08 < Jonas_NZ> any1 know where this is heading? http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g_hacking
10:09 < leachbj> i thought it was just a bit of a dumping ground for 4g hacking info
10:09 < Jonas_NZ> its not really very productive but oh well
10:09 < normalperson> leachbj: any idea how I can get a binary (mpd) into the romfs img that armulator/gdb uses?
10:10 < leachbj> no, but if you work it out I'd love to know!  I think you have to create a romfs with it and then boot linux and run it as a user app :/
10:10 < Jonas_NZ> who opened their photo up, or is that a purchased one/
10:10 < normalperson> nm, I found genromfs in Debian
10:10 < leachbj> that was from the ipodding.com guys
10:10 < Jonas_NZ> from the paypal thingy, ohok
10:11 < normalperson> I'll try that tomorrow night
10:11 < normalperson> sleep
10:11 < leachbj> nite
10:11 < normalperson> g'nite
10:11 < leachbj> Jonas_NZ, havent purchased one yet but hoping to soon.
10:11 < normalperson> I said 'sleep' in a strange way, almost like I was giving myself that command
10:11 < normalperson> I guess it should be 'halt' :)
10:11 < Jonas_NZ> are you going to buy a 4g, mini or photo?
10:12 < leachbj> normalperson: try sleep 28800 ;)
10:12 < leachbj> photo
10:12 < leachbj> anyone know of a good wav file editor for linux?
10:12 < normalperson> leachbj: nope, only 25200 here :/
10:13 < nilss> leachbj: for editing that ogg?
10:13 < leachbj> I converted to wav...
10:13 < leachbj> but yeah
10:13 < nilss> baudline.com
10:13 < Jonas_NZ> leachbj,  no not really, but try this http://www.mtek.chalmers.se/~hjormagn/mhwaveedit.html
10:14 < nilss> http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump.jpg 
10:14 < Jonas_NZ> leachbj, did you see this: http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g
10:14 < Jonas_NZ> i think  you next task is to write a new interrupt handler
10:14 < leachbj> yeah saw that
10:14 < tlg> nilss: If I understand what you are doing, is dump the sdram output it with piezzo, then record with mic to see what is in the ram ?
10:14 < leachbj> the interrupt handler won't work because the right memory mapping isn't there.
10:15 < nilss> tlg: yea
10:15 < leachbj> and then it will just stop because it can't mount a root device
10:15 < leachbj> we need to get serial or lcd working so we can debug reliably
10:15 < tlg> and what are you trying to find out? (just being curious ;) )
10:15 < leachbj> tlg: we want to dump out the flash
10:16 < leachbj> nilss: what am I seeing in that jpg
10:16 < tlg> ok so this is code when apple firmware is in is it ?
10:16 < leachbj> that current picture is a dump of nilss' code...
10:17 < tlg> ok
10:17 < nilss> leachbj: the wav file, from left to right is frequency and top to bottom time
10:17 < leachbj> but the flash will have the apple bootloader in it which almost all the info we need for RE'ing
10:17 < nilss> the piezo makes a ~2277hz sound
10:17 < nilss> a "big" green point is a 0, a small one 1
10:17 < nilss> the code above the white line is 101010
10:18 < tlg> leachbj: sounds cool to me ;)
10:18 < Jonas_NZ> who wrote they new bootloader
10:18 < nilss> mhm i'll need to create about 100000 files to dump the firmware, i hope reiser4 can handle that ;)
10:19 < nilss> s.firmware.flash.
10:19 < Jonas_NZ> brb reboot
10:19 < Jonas_NZ> ing
10:22 < jintonic> :-/ so what you're doing is making a bunch of irritating noises?
10:22 < jintonic> :D
10:23 < nilss> a cluster of 128 ipods would be cool now. my laptop now has to do a lot of number crunching ;)
10:23 < leachbj> haha
10:23 < jintonic> yup, just reverse engineer the firmware then write some software for the ipod 4g to do cluster computing :D
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10:25 < Jonas_NZ`> leachbj: please kick Zirep, its a bloody spambot
10:25 < Jonas_NZ`> Zirep :::::www.worldarmenia.tk www.erewan.com www.jerevan.com www.chatarmenia.tk je kan via deze sites hier chatten
10:26 -!- Zirep was kicked from #ipodlinux by leachbj [leachbj]
10:26 < Jonas_NZ`> cheers
10:26 < leachbj> i was wondering what that crap was when I joined the channel
10:26  * jintonic is intrigues by the ads because he doesn't understand whatever language that is and clicks all the links
10:27 < Jonas_NZ`> and can you kick me ie: Jonas_NZ
10:27 < Jonas_NZ`> cos i wanna be able to get my nick back :P
10:28 < Jonas_NZ`> brb, i really need to stop using root to chat on irc 
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10:34 < nilss> http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump2.jpg mhm doesnt look like binary data
10:39 < jintonic> x is time in milliseconds? what about y?
10:39 < nilss> should be frequency...
10:40 < Jonas_NZ`> who wrote the the 4g version of the bootloader
10:42 < jintonic> hrm, i dont understand how to interpret it
10:44 < jintonic> oh, 1 = 2277Hz and .5 = 1138.5Hz and 0 = 0Hz?
10:44 < nilss> i dont know which frequency base the fft code uses...
10:45 < nilss> http://www.physionet.org/physiotools/wfdb/psd/fft.c
10:47 < jintonic> hrm.. FFT is what they use with SETI@Home isn't it?
10:48 < nilss> yeah
10:48 < Jonas_NZ`> thats where i heard it before :P
10:48 < nilss> fast fourier transform
10:50 < jintonic> if you need more processing power...
10:50 < jintonic> heheheheheehe
10:51 < jintonic> that'd be classic news... the hits at ipodlinux.org would be in the the millions... maybe ya should put some kinda ads on there first
10:54 < Synapsys> heh
10:55 < Synapsys> And get 5 new servers to help take the load.
10:55 < Synapsys> How many hits were there when we got slashdotted?
10:55 < jintonic> 40k i think... somewhere around there
10:55 < nilss> yeah
10:56 < Synapsys> ouch.
10:56 < Synapsys> Imagine the ad revenues....
10:56 < jintonic> yup, hehe
10:56 < nilss> http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump3.jpg
10:56 < nilss> that may be binary from bottom to top, right?
10:56 < jintonic> did ya make a graph to show the amount of people that downloaded ipodlinux vs. the amount that made donations?
10:56 < jintonic> :P
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10:59 < bb> lo
10:59 < jintonic> hola
10:59 < bb> any admins about?
11:00 < leachbj> me...
11:00 < bb> i may be talking out of my arse ... but
11:00 < bb> the ip for ipod linux for me resolves to 70.84.20.250
11:00 < jintonic> s/talkout outof/typing with
11:00 < bb> lol
11:00 < bb> now that would be tricky
11:01 < jintonic> yeah, i'd pay to say that
11:01 < bb> if i goto that address directly in a browser, i see a server owned by the santy worm
11:01 < bb> as i said, i may be barking up the wrong tree, just thought id mention it
11:03 < bb> ? lynx http://70.84.20.250/
11:03 < bb> was it arsetalk/type ?
11:03 < leachbj> cool... :/  I guess not everything was cleaned up...
11:03 < bb> ah,. you knew you had a prob?
11:03 < leachbj> anyhow if you use the hostname its fine.
11:04 < bb> yeah yeah, i just thought id mention it
11:04 < leachbj> ta
11:04 < bb> i happened to be trying the ip, as the site wasnt working proply from here in the uk for about an hour this morning
11:04 < bb> btw, podzilla rocks
11:05 < leachbj> thanks
11:06 < bb> ah
11:06 < bb> leachbj
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11:06 < bb> Copyright (c) 2003, Bernard Leach
11:06  * bb just made the connection ;-)
11:06 < bb> yeah it worked nice straight off
11:06  * bb was pleasantly surprised
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11:06 < bb> as most of the apple software/firmware ive used with it is fraught with problems ;-)
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11:09 < nilss> anyone around who know something about fft? ;)
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11:10 < jintonic> #math ? i dunno... worth a try mebbe
11:11 < jintonic> penguin, you are such a poser :P
11:12 < piratePenguin> heh.. cause I joined #math ?
11:13 < jintonic> yeah, and because i like saying that when people are posing
11:13 < tlg> nilss: what do you want to know ?
11:13 < piratePenguin> jintonic: never knew there was a MATH channel
11:13 < nilss> tlg, convert http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump2.ogg to a binary ;)
11:14 < jintonic> neither did i, figured someone might have thought of it before tho
11:14 < tlg> lemme check
11:14  * jintonic gets all giddy about the delightgul music he's about to hear
11:15 < Jonas_NZ`> nilss: is SETI open source?
11:15 < jintonic> i doubt it
11:15 < leachbj> nilss: I was thinking I might be able to get the I2S driver working so you could get raw audio out but it might be too hard (too much re work I mean)
11:17 < Jonas_NZ`> any1 user skype, i would like to talk to someone see if it works now under my linux?
11:17 < nilss> leachbj: then we would have to write a decoder for that code
11:18 < bb> when podzilla is booted on my ipod3 and i dock it, should it get recognized in windows as a USB device? i seem to always get a 'device not recognized'
11:18 < leachbj> but the actual samples could be the real bytes... 
11:18 < leachbj> e.g. firmware with a .wav header...
11:18 < piratePenguin> bb: nope.. it must be in disk mode (or the apple fw)
11:19 < bb> kk disk mode set in podzilla?
11:19 < nilss> leachbj: the output isnt digital ;)
11:19 < bb> or is that an option on the ipod itself?
11:19 < piratePenguin> bb: no... switch to the apple firmware
11:19 < bb> kk
11:19 < leachbj> no, but you plug the line out into the line in and if its not amplified...
11:20 < bb> is there a cross compiler provided with the podzilla downloads?
11:20 < piratePenguin> theres one on the ipodlinux sourceforge downloads page for windows I think
11:20 < nilss> leachbj: wont work... the hardware is made for sound.
11:21 < leachbj> why not? as long as no filters are applied...
11:21 < nilss> at lest the soundcard will apply some filter and resampling
11:21 < nilss> least*
11:23 < leachbj> I was going to say that the ipod can output without any filters, but I'm not 100%...
11:29 < Jonas_NZ`> does any1 have any idea how i can check 500urls for the file sizes?
11:29 < Luke> without downloading them first no
11:29 < nilss> check the content-size header
11:32 < Luke> hey bern - a few days ago at that "meeting" we had, you said something about wanting less forums. would you like me to condence/merge some of the smaller ones?
11:32 < bb> is it me, or is the ipodlinux site running like sh*t
11:33 < leachbj> bb: they might be doing backups...?
11:33 < bb> every page squirts out a little bit, then just dies
11:33 < leachbj> Luke: to be honest when reading I dont pay much attention to which forum the messages are in...
11:34 < leachbj> but maybe having fewer would be better...?
11:35 < Luke> maybe you dont pay much attention cause you work on the whole project. but think about how many people just do programming vs. kernel programming or hardware hacking. and some people dont wanna deal with support at all
11:35 < tlg> Jonas_NZ`: curl -I url 
11:35 < tlg> curl -I url | awk '/Content-Length/{print $2} '
11:36 < leachbj> Luke: you're probably right.
11:36 < Luke> leachbj: anyway's i've revamped a lot of the forums (incase you didnt notice) and given it a layout more conducive to the flow that people look at it
11:37 < Luke> leachbj: really the only forum i had a problem with being a mess was "general" and once i get that cleaned up, everything else is peachy
11:37 < leachbj> cool, I did notice it seemed a little more straight forward...
11:37 < Jonas_NZ`> tlg: cheers, and i see you didnt need to use cat this time
11:37 < tlg> ;)
11:37 < Jonas_NZ`> tlg: can i feed it something from a text file ie < urls.txt
11:37 < Luke> leachbj: i just think having 50+ unread posts all in one forum gets really overwhelming and thats what would happen if we merged some (and what did happen with general)
11:38 < leachbj> agreed.  as you say its because I just tend to read it all :/
11:40 < Luke> =)
11:40 < Luke> i'm glad you do though
11:41 < piratePenguin> how would ya get 50+ unread posts in general if leachbj reads them all :p
11:42 < Luke> huh?
11:42 < piratePenguin> nm
11:42 < Luke> before he reads them... they are unread
11:42 < Luke> before every user reads them.
11:42 < piratePenguin> k
11:42 < Luke> ;-P
11:42 < Luke> not every user comes to our site every day
11:44 < nilss> mhm my workstations uptime's 22hours, i think i need some sleep...
11:44 < nilss> n8
11:44 < leachbj> haha...
11:44 < leachbj> any results?
11:45 < nilss> nope.
11:45 < nilss> i never liked audio processing
11:45 < nilss> maybe i just make screenshots of baudline, paste them together and parse the png *g*
11:46 < Luke> what'r ya workin on nilss?
11:46 < nilss> Luke: dumping the flash of the 4g
11:46 < Luke> ah any luck?
11:47 < nilss> yeah i can dump it, but i have to decode the data because it's audio
11:47 < Luke> ?? audio
11:47 < Jonas_NZ`> anyway its 1am here
11:47 < Luke> arent you dumping the firmware from it/
11:48 < Jonas_NZ`> cyaz all l8r g2 work tommorow
11:48 < nilss> yeah, i dump it through the piezo ;)
11:48 < Luke> Jonas_NZ`: nite nite
11:48 < nilss> http://wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump2.ogg ;)
11:48 < Luke> nilss: ah =)
11:48 < nilss> n8 Jonas_NZ` 
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11:50 < nilss> http://varg.dyndns.org/psi/pub/code/voiceapp maybe i can use that...
11:52 < nilss> yeah that could actually work
11:53 < Luke> leachbj: how long did it take you to learn german?
11:53 < leachbj> ha, meine Deutsche ist nicht so gut ;)
11:54 < Luke> well i dont know german =)
11:56 < Luke> my german is not so good?
11:56 < leachbj> :)
11:57 < johnny007> your english is bloody perfect
11:57 < leachbj> I had a few people tell me that ;)
11:57 < piratePenguin> so is his C
11:57 < Luke> hahahah bern
11:57 < johnny007> i understand always railway station
11:57 < Luke> he speaks english native
11:57 < leachbj> most often by other native speakers
11:59 < bb> is FLAC the default music player on podzilla?
11:59 < Luke> http://83.149.90.123/interview_with_slon.mp3 <-- the suprnova.org guy being interviewed about exeem
11:59 < Luke> he can bearly speak english
11:59 < Luke> haha
11:59 < leachbj> nope, FLAC support is still ongoing
11:59 < bb> ahk, so the standard audio player has a name? or its just inbuilt part of podzilla?
12:00 < leachbj> there is in-built mp3 decoding and wav support
12:01 < bb> are you intending to improve the audio playing? i.e speed of buffering and quality of output?
12:01 < leachbj> hoping, its been slowly getting better.
12:01 < nilss> http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump4.jpg yeah, now the rest should be much easier
12:02 < Luke> no exeem for linux =)
12:02 < Luke> =( i mean
12:03 < leachbj> nilss: I'm glad you know what you're looking at ;)
12:03 < Luke> hehe
12:03 < nilss> look at the bottom most line of dots, the big green "dots" are 0, the small ones 1
12:05 < nilss> now the computer only has to detect if its 0 or 1, cache 8bit and output them as one byte into a file.
12:05 < leachbj> sounds good...
12:06 < nilss> then we only need to disassemble it ;)
12:06 < Luke> *only*
12:06 < nilss> arm-elf-objdump can do that for us ;)
12:07 < leachbj> compared to this, the dissasembly part will be the easy part
12:19 < nilss> wow
12:19 < nilss> it actually works :)
12:19 < tlg> nilss: what's the time between dots
12:20 < nilss> just a few samples
12:21 < leachbj> well done!
12:22 < nilss> btw, how did you dump the flash on the 3g?
12:23 < Luke> magic
12:24 < Luke> dd
12:24 < Luke> its a harddrive so its a lot easier
12:26 < leachbj> yeah, the flash is included in the firmware but for the 3g its not encoded 
12:26 < leachbj> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Firmware
12:26 < Luke> so nilss after you actually get the flash, you'll still have to decode it correct?
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12:27 < nilss> yeah
12:27 < Luke> http://sourceforge.net/top/toplist.php?type=pageviews_proj <-- check this out! we're right behind gaim!
12:27 < fre_ber> Morning
12:28 < Luke> nilss: maybe we should try asking the guy that cracked the AAC itunes crap if he wants to help with this
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12:29 < Luke> 16th in page hits oh SF stats
12:29 < Luke> thats pretty good
12:29 < fre_ber> Indeed, that is very good.
12:29 < leachbj> cool :)
12:29 < bb> flavour of the month
12:29 < Luke> looks like we were actually beating gaim for a bit
12:31 < Luke> http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/index.php?report=months&group_id=73079 <-- check out this graph
12:31 < Luke> you can see when we put up the forums and the wili
12:31 < tlg> Luke: you can find jlj on #videolan he is usually there
12:31 < leachbj> and the three ./ spikes
12:31 < Luke> its not jlj
12:31 < tlg> (jlj is the guy behind decss and aac faiplay decoding)
12:32 < Luke> the guy that crackedthe code is... lemme look
12:32 < Luke> crazney
12:32 < Luke> he is a transgaming employee
12:32 < leachbj> the problem here is we can't reverse engineer the code (which is what happened with decss and fairplay)
12:33 < tlg> and itunes ;)
12:33 < tlg> and daap
12:33 < tlg> crazney was more about daap iirc
12:33 < tlg> the itunes bit was with jlj , daeken, and I for some bits
12:34 < Luke> i donno - check crazney's site
12:34 < tlg> I know it ;)
12:34 < Luke> http://crazney.net/
12:34 < tlg> I actually wrot a java application to brwose the itunes musicstore
12:35 < tlg> and buy songs, etc, ...
12:35 < Luke> http://crazney.net/programs/itunes/
12:35 < Luke> read that
12:36 < tlg> that's aprt of it ;)
12:36 < tlg> *part
12:36 < Luke> he specifically says he broke the new authentication algorithm of itunes
12:37 < tlg> yes ;)
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12:37 < tlg> but that is still part of it ...
12:37 < Luke> haha exactly
12:37 < tlg> anyway this was reversed enigneerd using IDAPro as well
12:38 < jintonic> i wonder how many people buy that app vs. pirate it :-/
12:38 < Luke> haha probably almost everyone pirates it
12:38 < jintonic> i bet
12:38 < Luke> they are marketing to hackers =P
12:39 < leachbj> they wont't sell it to individuals, you can only buy it as a business
12:39 < jintonic> plus its so damn expensive
12:42 < Luke> tlg: http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/04/04/29/1554231.shtml
12:42 < Luke> there's the /. about it
12:43 < nilss> if i have an array bits[8], how do i make a byte out of it?
12:43 < leachbj> bits[0]<<8|bits[1]<<7|...
12:44 < tlg> but that is only the auth bit it is a simple aes key, it has nothing to do whith AAC !
12:44  * Luke afk wate
12:44 < Luke> "itunes crap"
12:45 < tlg> 13:28 <@Luke> nilss: maybe we should try asking the guy that cracked the AAC  itunes crap if he wants to help with this
12:45 < tlg> I read AAC itunes crap ;)
12:45 < tlg> anyway
12:45 < tlg> he did a helpfull job there with daap and itunes auth
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12:45 < Luke> anyways i dont care, he did the core stuff that got all the publicity. i've never used itunes or AAC so i dont care
12:45 < tlg> :)
12:46 < Luke> i'm a pure linux user
12:46 < Luke> unix*
12:46 < tlg> so am I :)
12:47 < leachbj> I'm far from pure, but I use linux too ;)
12:47 < Luke> then you know the difference between itunes and AAC is nothing to be of concerne with me
12:48 < tlg> Luke: actually I don't see as I use the music store and aac files on linux !
12:49 < Luke> and...
12:49 < tlg> that's the whole point of breaking the auth scheme and aac ;)
12:49 < Luke> ugh
12:49 < tlg> to be used on other platforms than osx/windows
12:49 < tlg> anyway
12:49 < Luke> ok
12:50 < nilss> mhm i have problems with the timing
12:50 < Luke> just trying to show you what I ment, not get an arguement on how he didnt do the whole thing *rolls eyes*
12:50 < tlg> but I was wondering why the fash would be encoded on the itunes memory
12:50 < Luke> tlg: for people like us
12:50 < tlg> Luke: no worries ... ;)
12:50 < leachbj> nilss: :(
12:51 < leachbj> I guess its not a very precise process
12:51 < tlg> but actually that can help later on to play encoded aac on ipod linux
12:51 < Luke> ok good work
12:52 < Luke> anyways you got any ideas on how to work around that nilss?
12:52 < nilss> yeah, i'll remove all the sdl code ;)
12:52 < Luke> man if you get this working a lot of people will be very happy =)
12:53 < leachbj> you're not wrong.
12:53 < Luke> the same techniques will probably be able to be used on other generations as well
12:53 < leachbj> nilss, maybe you need to add some extra timing to your code that generates the noise
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12:54 < Luke> brb
12:55 < Luke> pulled an all nighter tonight trying to get on a normal sleeping schedule
12:55 < piratePenguin> I did that last nite
12:55 < jintonic> heh, like i'm gonna have to do eventually
12:55 < jintonic> 5am here
12:56 < Luke> ugh its such a pain
12:56 < piratePenguin> so I can sleep tonight
12:56 < Luke> i've been waking up at 6pm every day
12:56 < fre_ber> I have been trying to do that for several days, and last night I wrecked it all again, stupid me...
12:57 < piratePenguin> heh
12:57 < Luke> hehe
12:57 < jintonic> heh, irc --> stay up all night?
12:57 < Luke> i always ruin it with naps
12:57 < piratePenguin> jintonic: we're busy ppl :p
12:57 < Luke> are mac fonts compatable with X?
12:58 < jintonic> hehe, that we are
13:20 < nilss> mhm i think i have to decode the data offline
13:20 < jintonic> too many porno ads?
13:20 < nilss> linux just isnt a realtime os ;)
13:21 < leachbj> are you trying to decode in realtime?
13:21 < nilss> yea
13:21 < leachbj> so it works ok on the recorded version?
13:22 < nilss> i havent tried the recorded version yet
13:22 < nilss> maybe i'm just too tired for coding at the moment ;)
13:23 < nilss> n8
13:24 < Luke> nite ntie
13:24 < fre_ber> g'night
13:24 < leachbj> nite
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13:46 < mtp> hi
13:47 < bb> ~
13:51 < piratePenguin> hey
13:51 < fre_ber> Hey
13:52 < bb> re the sloncek audio posted earlier, i tend to agree with \. opinion that it seems suprnova involvement in exceem is just marketing bullshit
13:53 < bb> </random_comments>
13:54 < fre_ber> pirate: Did you hear that it worksed, finally? (X11 in Cygwin)
13:54 < fre_ber> *worked
13:54 < piratePenguin> cool
13:55 < fre_ber> I made a completely incomprehensible Wiki page about it. ;)
13:55 < piratePenguin> did they update the docs yet?
13:55 < piratePenguin> =p
13:55 < fre_ber> I was hoping to get it verified and improved before trying to merge it with macPod's page.
13:57 < piratePenguin> nice... cant check it atm cause I'm downloading...
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13:59 < piratePenguin> bleh.. I got dosconnected from the net :(
13:59 < piratePenguin> disconnected*
14:00 < fre_ber> I'm hoping that someone with Cygwin tries it, and comes up with improvements. I did some rough things like, disabling JPEG support and libitunesdb support.
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14:02 < piratePenguin> yea.. I dont bother with that stuff in my x11 install at all tho
14:03 < piratePenguin> s/install/microwindows/
14:03 < fre_ber> Well, it would be nice to have as much of podzilla working as possible.
14:03 < piratePenguin> yea.. I have it working on the ipod tho
14:04 < piratePenguin> If ya want somone to try it.. ya might wanna upload page.h etc.. heh
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14:05 < fre_ber> Yes, but for me it might be an exceptional improvement of the dev environment - not to be forced to wait for ZModem transfer every time I want to test something...
14:05 < fre_ber> ~3-4minutes!
14:05 < piratePenguin> lol
14:07 < piratePenguin> heres the best windows docs ever: "download mandrake iso's and burn 'em. open ms-dos. run 'format c:' press y and enter. put in mandrakw disk 1, reboot, install.. enjoy!"
14:07 < fre_ber> Lol
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14:07 < piratePenguin> wonder would many windows users follow 'em hehe...
14:08 < Luke> Wammy: you wanna play some AA?
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14:59 < courtc> Ok, I'm not going back to read all that ^ lemme know if i missed something
15:01 < fre_ber> Hehe, I missed it too, but it seems as if Nilss were doing something progressive with the 4G...
15:01 < bb> apple just offer 10million USD to buy out ipodlinux
15:01 < piratePenguin> rofl
15:01 < fre_ber> Yeah, right.
15:01 < bb> ;-)
15:01 < courtc> wow..
15:01 < fre_ber> :)
15:01 < bb> i told em to double it
15:01 < bb> jobs is thinking on it
15:01 < fre_ber> lol
15:02 < courtc> good call
15:02 < fre_ber> He told you at the cocktail party, did he?
15:02 < bb> well ..
15:02 < bb> it was either a cocktail party
15:02 < bb> or a dream
15:02 < fre_ber> lol
15:02 < bb> im not sure
15:02 < piratePenguin> nilss got the flash on the 4g dumped into an ogg file (thru the piezio)... then he turned it into a jpeg and I think he's about to decode it or something
15:03 < fre_ber> Err... Sounds... ...creative...
15:03 < piratePenguin> yup :p
15:03 < leachbj> I think he's more at the stage of trying to get a reliable process of recording a dump and turning back into binary
15:03 < piratePenguin> http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump4.jpg <-- theres the jpeg
15:04 < piratePenguin> http://www.wonderwallfriends.de/misc/dump2.ogg
15:04 < fre_ber> Cool.. 
15:04 < bb> how the hell do you guys get the flash dumped out into an audio file!?
15:04 < courtc> leachbj, did you get your subscription?
15:04 < fre_ber> I wonder...
15:04 < leachbj> yup
15:04 < courtc> cool
15:05 < piratePenguin> bb: I have no idea...
15:06 < bb> what is 'the piezio' ?
15:06 < courtc> piezo..
15:06 < bb> what is 'the piezo' ?
15:06 < leachbj> the clicker
15:06 < bb> damn google was right ... "Did you mean: piezo  "
15:06 < piratePenguin> lol
15:07 < bb> dump the flash into an audio file using the clicker!
15:07 < bb> this thing gets even wierder
15:07 < fre_ber> lol
15:07 < courtc>  A shortened term for Piezoelectric Ceramic Crystal. This material has the ability to expand and contract with the application of electric current. This ability allows a piezo to be the engine in a very small pump. Since it has no moving parts, the durability of the material is extremely good.
15:08 < piratePenguin> :|
15:08 < bb> so you wrote something to 'utilise' the clicker to respond to the reading of a binary file?
15:09 < courtc> bb: yea, the lcd doesnt work yet, so the next best thing was..
15:09 < leachbj> the code converts the memory into different frequency clicks
15:09 < bb> how innovative
15:10 < bb> then you play the clicks back into something to munge it back into crap
15:10 < leachbj> thats the idea
15:10 < bb> ^ subsitute with the appropriate terms
15:11 < bb> how did you get something on it in the first place to be executed to 'read' this flash and do the pizza thing?
15:12 < bb> is the technical bull behind this 'secret' or documented somewhere on the site?
15:12 < leachbj> we can execute code on the newer ipods... just sofar not very interesting code... the piezo is the only IO that works sofar
15:12 < leachbj> the Firmware page has some info, the PP5020 page some more, but nothing that discusses exactly what we're doing at the moment
15:13 < bb> cool
15:13 < bb> this is hobby stuff? or you dong it fulltime?
15:13 < courtc> bb, most of the stuff done here is documented in the wiki or the forum.. We try not to document the stuff that was futile..
15:13 < bb> yeah i get it
15:14 < bb> sometimes the futile stuff was interesting!
15:15 < courtc> bb, perhaps the only person _working_ near full time on this is leachbj, but even he needs a break sometime
15:15 < bb> heh
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15:18 < bb> is your primary focus to get 4g support? or to improve existing features?
15:19 < courtc> you're speaking as though we have a primary focus ;)
15:19 < bb> ra ra
15:19 < bb> you know what i mean
15:20 < courtc> It depends on who you're talking to..
15:20 < BleuLlama> my primary focus today is to write "Vortex", a Tempest clone (game)
15:22 < bb> just that .. i installed it today, real nice worked sweet out of the box. i was impressed with the recording facility etc, but i was a little dissapointed with audio playback. its not a criticism of whats been achieved, i just wondered if getting an ipod to play music sweetly within podzilla was considered important, or you prefer to do additional stuff, and just boot into apple when you actually wanna play tunes
15:22 < leachbj> i boot into apple to play tunes
15:23 < bb> yes, thats cos podzilla audio is pretty unusable
15:23 < leachbj> but it would be nice if it were 100% useable for mp3 playback
15:24 < BleuLlama> i think most people's here goals are to stay in linux to play everything, but that's a ways off.  personally, i'll stick with apple for song playback, then use linux for mod and sid playback, once that happens..  and once there's g4 support.  (I have a g4)
15:24 < BleuLlama> er. "are probably to stay in linux"...
15:24 < courtc> currently we are looking into a couple different decoders for improved mp3 playback..
15:25 < bb> yeah if that is achieved, then there is a real purpose, my personal opinion is that without that, it all just remains 'interesting' but not killer funcationality
15:25 < BleuLlama> oh, and i'll also use linux for games too. ;)
15:25 < bb> is the gameboy emulator any good/working?
15:26 < BleuLlama> dunno.  don't really care.  I have a GBA
15:26 < bb> hak
15:26 < courtc> As far as I know it doesnt exist yet
15:27 < courtc> BleuLlama, did Delirious try that bin?
15:27 < BleuLlama> the bin you made?
15:28 < BleuLlama> er. why am i asking.  i have no idea
15:28 < courtc> ok
15:28 < BleuLlama> i wonder if anyone built my new menu stuff for ipod hardware... hmm
15:31 < courtc> BleuLlama, is it finished?
15:33 < courtc> leachbj, whats the plan with the blog? Stick with wordpress?
15:33 < BleuLlama> yeah. i posted to the board late last night
15:34 < leachbj> courtc: not sure, are there better skins for it?
15:34 < BleuLlama> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=873
15:37 < courtc> Aww.. leachbj isnt a fan .. :D
15:39 < macPod> bleu: http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=873&highlight=
15:39 < macPod> is that you?
15:39 < BleuLlama> yep
15:40 < macPod> kk
15:40 < BleuLlama> when you run it, you'll know if it works if it looks just like the old menus. ;)
15:42 < courtc> my unread posts thing is borked.. :p   No more forum for me..
15:42 < leachbj> courtc: because of your rename?
15:42 < courtc> naw, since the forum upgrade
15:43 < leachbj> can you just do a mark all as read to fix it?
15:44 < courtc> well, thats the problem.. It thinks that they all already have been read..
15:46 < courtc> http://www.alexking.org/index.php?content=software/wordpress/styles.php
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15:47 < courtc> hello Qibot 
15:47 < leachbj> http://www.alexking.org/software/wordpress/styles/sample.php?wpstyle=very-simple ;)
15:48 < courtc> It readable at least :)
15:49 < courtc> http://www.alexking.org/software/wordpress/styles/sample.php?wpstyle=dots      is clean
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15:50 < leachbj> haha.. maybe this is approp http://www.alexking.org/software/wordpress/styles/sample.php?wpstyle=ipodmini
15:51 < courtc> heh
15:52 < piratePenguin> I'm tryin to compile fdisk for the ipod from the uClinux CVS... I know its possible, I've done it before... anyhow, when I run 'CC=arm-elf-gcc make fdisk' I get this error when it's linking: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/arm-elf/2.95.3/libgcc.a(__main.o): In function `__do_global_ctors':             __main.o(.text+0xc4): undefined reference to `__CTOR_LIST__'           /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/arm-elf/2.95.3/libgcc.a(__main.o)(.data+0x0): u
15:52 < piratePenguin> ndefined reference to `__DTOR_LIST__'           collect2: ld returned 1 exit status"  ... I can compile clean for my host pc btw
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15:54 < leachbj> courtc: I think i still like the verysimple one ;) can we install that easliy?
15:54 < leachbj> *easily?
15:55 < courtc> http://wordpress.org/support/topic.php?id=19238 <- according to this, yes
15:55 < piratePenguin> or .... can someone gimme the config file used to compile the busybox in the userland?
15:55 < leachbj> its in cvs
15:56 < piratePenguin> k..
15:57 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: hows your GUI coming along?
15:57 < BleuLlama> i got the menus done, and replaced the hard-coded ones in podzilla with them
15:58 < piratePenguin> n1
15:58 < BleuLlama> although, to be honest, I'm thinking about writing widgets from scratch, and just starting over from scratch... there's no reason this thing has to look just like apple's gui
15:58 < BleuLlama> (other than the fact that it looks and feels excellent hehe.)
15:58 < piratePenguin> yea
15:59 < piratePenguin> the apple gui works well... and its simple enuff...
15:59 < BleuLlama> but i figure, what the hell, gotta try it, right?  
15:59 < piratePenguin> right
15:59 < BleuLlama> but today's goal is to write a game
16:00 < BleuLlama> ungh. 11am. i need to shower and go in to work.
16:00  * BleuLlama waves
16:00  * BleuLlama idles
16:01 < piratePenguin> gl
16:06 < piratePenguin> what about seperating podzilla into an X server and makin podzilla *just* the window manager? then it'd be much easier for BlueLlama etc to try out their experimemts, I think... ?
16:09 < courtc> haha.. I'm not gonna touch that...
16:09 < leachbj> :/
16:09 < piratePenguin> heh
16:09 < piratePenguin> just an idea... i dunno
16:10 < macPod> sharedmem/not built into apps is the way to go :P
16:11 < macPod> ONLY if it compiles for me however :)
16:11 < piratePenguin> heh
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16:12 < courtc> leachbj, hows 18:00GMT Jan 12th for you?
16:13 < leachbj> should be fine...
16:13 < piratePenguin> cnt find the busybox config
16:14 < courtc> the reason I say 18:00 is because we have some GMT-8 peeps
16:14 < leachbj> cool...
16:16 < courtc> and I dont _know_ of any aussies 'sept for you
16:17 < leachbj> guess we'll find out...
16:18 < courtc> and they won't let you in your country anywho ;)
16:19 < piratePenguin> my error up there ^ is cause of an error in /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/arm-elf/2.95.3/libgcc.a, is it? can I get a better libgcc.a somewhere?
16:21 < courtc> piratePenguin, use 'CC=arm-elf-gcc LDFLAGS=-elf2flt make fdisk'
16:21 < piratePenguin>  omfg.. thanks
16:21 < piratePenguin> works :)
16:21 < courtc> Of course it does ;)
16:22 < piratePenguin> heh
16:23 < piratePenguin> now to start work on an ipodlinux -> ipod installer, I think
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16:28 < Wammy> Luke: if you are willing to redo all my AA training ill play ;)
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16:40 < courtc> leachbj, why would mounting the linux partition as ro prevent mp3s from playing via the itunesdb menu?
16:42 < leachbj> ummm
16:42 < leachbj> no idea
16:43 < courtc> yea, that makes no sense :p
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16:52 < courtc> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5657#5657
16:53 < fre_ber> Hehe
16:55 < courtc> leachbj, busonerd is rather excitable isnt he?
17:06 < BleuLlama> does the itunesdb lib write to the database?  
17:16 < BleuLlama> or perhaps they open the file as "r+" instead of just "r" and it fails
17:18 < courtc> BleuLlama, the mp3 file gets opened by mp3.c every time, whether its by the itunes browser or the file browser
17:18 < BleuLlama> oh... strange.
17:19 < BleuLlama> i was just trying to figure out the above question you had...
17:19 < mikegrb> the kernel is playing with your head
17:19 < courtc> and the linux partition is seperate from the music partition on win ipods
17:20 < bb> ciao
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17:25 < BleuLlama> was it fre_ber that wrote 'Steroids'?
17:25 < fre_ber> Yes.. :)
17:26 < BleuLlama> ok. cool.
17:26 < BleuLlama> :)
17:26 < BleuLlama> i'm about to work on Vortex (A Tempest-like game) and I was thinking of pulling some of your common routines (polygons, etc) out into a common library
17:27 < fre_ber> Sure, but I have come to find that they aren't as multi-purpose as I'd like them.. :|
17:28 < BleuLlama> i did notice one of the linux ipod reviews mentioned Steroids.
17:28 < BleuLlama> Thought that was cool (for you)
17:28 < BleuLlama> :)
17:28 < fre_ber> Yes, that was a first.. Even though the review wasn't... ..wonderful. :)
17:28 < BleuLlama> yeah. i think they complained that you couldn't die or something stupid like that.
17:29 < courtc> yea, it called my games boring
17:29 < fre_ber> Yes.. But now you can.
17:29 < courtc> :p
17:29 < BleuLlama> cool!
17:29 < BleuLlama> er
17:29 < BleuLlama> fre: cool!
17:29 < BleuLlama> court: :(
17:29 < courtc> haha
17:29 < fre_ber> courtc: I know, horrible people...
17:35 < fre_ber> BleuLlama, I recognise the name "Tempest", but I can't place it, what game is this?
17:36 < BleuLlama> http://klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=&game_id=10065\
17:36 < BleuLlama> er
17:36 < BleuLlama> http://klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=&game_id=10065
17:36 < BleuLlama> classic atari vector game from 1980. 
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17:36 < fre_ber> Oh yes, that looks familiar.
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17:57 < BleuLlama> sweet. i can use the original level information. :D
17:57  * BleuLlama looks over reverse-engineered tempest docs
17:57  * BleuLlama lunches. oops.
18:11 < macPod> courtc: cheesemonkies?
18:12 < courtc> yes, you cheesmonkey
18:12 < macPod> so you disagree?
18:12 < macPod> you think there should be multiple guis avaliable?
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18:18 < courtc> I think thats one of the main principles of gnu, and athough I may not like it in our position, I feel that it is necessary to support that principle
18:19 < macPod> hmm, well considering this is an install that runs on os x... :)
18:20 < macPod> I feel like an exception :D
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18:22 < courtc> I also feel that its not necessary to go out of your way to support something that was not in someway a creation of your own..
18:23 < macPod> heh
18:24 < courtc> but I don't think that one should critisize the ideals of choise that have gotten us so far..
18:27 < courtc> but thats a lot of words.. so I just said 'cheesemonkies'  instead
18:28 < macPod> oh
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18:30 < courtc> that, and I figured I'd not disagree with you on the forums..
18:44 < macPod> I'm still upset with that ttt gpl code ;9
18:44 < macPod> I've decided I'm just going to code it myself
18:44 < macPod> perhapse I'll learn something :D
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18:50  * BleuLlama returns
18:50 < BleuLlama> what did i miss?
18:51 < fre_ber> A deep discussion about beliefs...
18:51 < courtc> I've been calling macPod names..
18:51 < macPod> :(
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18:53 < Luke> hey macPod 
18:53 < macPod> hey
18:54 < Luke> what extension do mac fonts have?
18:54 < Luke> or what filetype
18:54 < macPod> otf, dfont, ttf
18:55 < Luke> hmm.... are the good mac fonts ttfs?
18:55 < macPod> that's sorta subjective, what do you mean by good?
18:55 < Luke> ha well - in your oppionion
18:56 < Luke> oppinion
18:56 < macPod> eh, format does not really matter
18:56 < Luke> hmm
18:56 < macPod> dfont seems to have support for interesting characteristics such as those defined by zapfino
18:56 < macPod> it changes as you type so it looks like cursive
18:56 < Luke> wow - yea there's no support for that in linux =)
18:57 < Luke> i just downloaded all the windows fonts a few days ago so i was thinking i could get some mac fonts as well
18:57 < macPod> why do you need so many fonts?
18:58 < Luke> haha i donno
18:58 < Luke> GIMP
18:58 < Luke> thats about it i guess
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18:59 < Thijs> good evening all !
19:00 < courtc> hey Thijs 
19:00 < Thijs> there iam again
19:00 < fre_ber> Hey
19:02 < Thijs> hey
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19:05 < Luke> what IRC clients do you guys use?
19:06 < Thijs> i use mIRC
19:06 < Luke> with linux?
19:06 < BleuLlama> i use ircII
19:06 < Thijs> with NoNameScript 3.81
19:06 < Luke> ircII eh? how do you like that? thats CLI isnt it?
19:06 < BleuLlama> i run it in a screen session on my Sun workstation here at work, then just reconnect ot the screen session from home
19:06 < BleuLlama> yeah. textmode.
19:06 < Luke> Thijs: i ran the exact same thing in windows
19:06 < BleuLlama> but i sometimes run it also on my OS X
19:07 < Luke> BleuLlama: i do the same thing with screen and irssi
19:07 < BleuLlama> er. on my OS X laptop (ancient TiBook 500)
19:07 < BleuLlama> cool.
19:07 < BleuLlama> screen is like one of the most underrated (almost) standard unix utilities
19:07 < BleuLlama> imo
19:07 < BleuLlama> or overlooked or something...
19:07 < Luke> haha thats funny - i do the same as BleuLlama on linux and on windows the same exact as Thijs 
19:07 < Luke> screen is amazing
19:08 < BleuLlama> i have this window split in irc, on two channels, then on other screens i have other irc servers and shells and such.  :D
19:08 < Luke> when i was a n00b and installing gentoo (it was tough cause i'd never seen linux before) my friend sshed in and did a screen and helped me compile my kernel
19:08 < Thijs> Luke: hehe... BleuLlama and I have a good choice
19:08 < Luke> BleuLlama: thats a good idea
19:09 < Luke> BleuLlama: another thing i use screen for is switching to framebuffer and terminal for when im playing fullscreen games
19:09 < BleuLlama> ctrl-a d  and screen -r are your friends
19:09 < Luke> that way i never have to reconnect
19:09 < BleuLlama> aah. nice
19:09 < Thijs> Leachbj Idle: 2hrs 25mins 5secs, signed on 9hrs 30mins 44secs ago >> Hmmmm.. is he out for dinner again? 7-part-rice-table ?
19:09 < Luke> yea screen -dr =)
19:09 < Luke> Thijs: hehhehe
19:09  * BleuLlama likes his two 20" monitors on his Sun Blade 1000 at work. :D
19:10 < Luke> hehe i use sparcs in the purdue PC labs
19:11 < Luke> we have the worst spacrs ever but i still use em cause i feel like a gimp using windows or mac (which i've only ever touched once in my whole life)
19:11 < Luke> people dont understand why i use the sparcs because of how bad they are but they dont understand the power of screen and ssh
19:11 < Luke> haha
19:13 < BleuLlama> sun makes really good desktop unix machines, imo.
19:14 < BleuLlama> i think OS X has a much more cohesive GUI though.  and a BSD-based core is pretty cool too.
19:14 < macPod> mm
19:17 < BleuLlama> any of you good with gnuplot?  
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19:18 < Tijs> hmm :(
19:19 < Tijs> Thijs.. timeout.. now !
19:19 < Tijs> courtc/Luke.. can u kick Thijs ?
19:20 < Tijs> ?
19:20 < courtc> I can but it won t do any good, watch
19:21 -!- Thijs was kicked from #ipodlinux by courtc [courtc]
19:21 < Tijs> thanx
19:21 < Tijs> hmm
19:21 < Tijs> in use
19:22 < courtc> yep do /msg nickserv ghost Thijs password
19:22 < Tijs> havent registered yet
19:22 < courtc> oh
19:22 < Tijs> stupid me
19:31 -!- Tijs is now known as Thijs
19:31 < Thijs> :P
19:34 < BleuLlama> sweet.  just wrote a program that reads in the Tempest arcade rom, and dumps out a C-Structure containing the map-level data. :D
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19:36 < BleuLlama> i should probably be doing work-related work here, eh?  
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19:50 < coob> ipv6 hacker :<
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20:18 < coob> best prediction off the year goes toooo.... http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=138#138
20:19 < mogorman> i dont know
20:20 < mogorman> it is pretty optimistic, not to offend developers
20:20 < mogorman> although in some ways ipodlinux is above and beyond apple firmware
20:21 < coob> i was being sarcastic
20:21 < coob> i wouldn't go that far, it has more potential though
20:21 < BleuLlama> more flexibility in the very least
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20:22 < Kurcz> hey guys
20:22 < BleuLlama> Kurcz
20:23 < mogorman> true true
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20:57 < leachbj> Thijs: close, chinese ;)
20:59 < Kurcz> grr i get erros trying to install mircrowindows :/
21:01 < macPod> install it?
21:01 < Kurcz> on linux
21:01 < Kurcz> compile it make it whatever you wanna call it
21:01 < macPod> what is the error?
21:02 < Hostile> hey I just changed the battery on my iPod
21:02 < Kurcz> Compiling fblin8.c ...
21:02 < Kurcz> In file included from fblin8.c:19:
21:02 < Kurcz> /home/Jeff/ipodlinux/microwindows/src/include/device.h:91:2: #error VTSWITCH depends on MW_FEATURE_TIMERS - disable VTSWITCH in config or enable MW_FEATURE_TIMERS in this file
21:02 < Kurcz> make[1]: *** [fblin8.o] Error 1
21:02 < Kurcz> make: *** [subdir-drivers] Error 2
21:02 < Hostile> went very smooth
21:02 < Kurcz> nice
21:02 < Hostile> yep 3g too..the hardest ones to change :D
21:02 < macPod> doesent look like you copied the iPod config file correctly
21:03 < Kurcz> i have 3g
21:04 < leachbj> Hostile: did you take any PCB photos? ;)
21:05 < Kurcz> i copied it everywhere
21:05 < Kurcz> % cd microwindows/src/
21:05 < Kurcz> % cp Configs/config.ipod config
21:06 < Kurcz> oi folllowed that
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21:06 < Kurcz> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Building_Podzilla
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21:13 < Kurcz> wait... i have to be root to make dont I?
21:13 < BleuLlama> am i correct in assuming that if i'm writing a game for ipod-linux/podzilla that i should move things into malloc'ed heap space, rather than stack as much as possible?
21:14 < Kurcz> i dunno?
21:19 < Kurcz> its always a different problem when i try to build podzilla
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21:27 < BleuLlama> wb
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22:20 < DjFoo> yo
22:21 < DjFoo> i got a 4th gen ipod, and im eager to get linux for it
22:21 < DjFoo> im willing to help
22:21 < DjFoo> but i don't know much programming
22:21 < DjFoo> some vb
22:21 < DjFoo> and html, but that wont help
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22:22 < fre_ber> I don't know what you could do to help.
22:23 < fre_ber> Donate, perhaps?
22:24 < DjFoo> i could test if u guys want
22:24 < DjFoo> as long as it wont screw up my ipod
22:24 < DjFoo> i value it and the music, but i hate apple and their software
22:25 < fre_ber> As far as I understand, there is nothing that can be tested, without exceptional knowledge about ARM asm and hardware.
22:25 < DjFoo> hardware, meaning i'd have to open it up
22:25 < DjFoo> ?
22:25 < Synapsys> DjFoo: No.
22:26 < Synapsys> You have to know how it works.
22:26 < DjFoo> right
22:26 < Synapsys> "knowledge about...."
22:26 < DjFoo> yea, i can't really help there
22:26 < Synapsys> So sit tight and get your wallet out.
22:26 < Synapsys> That's what I've done.
22:26 < DjFoo> yea, i have general tech knowledge, but nothing big
22:26 < DjFoo> and i don't have a credit card lol
22:27 < Synapsys> DjFoo: You have a bank account?
22:27 < DjFoo> not me personally
22:27 < DjFoo> i'm a junior in high school
22:27 < Synapsys> You *don't* have a bank account?
22:27 < Synapsys> I see,
22:27 < Synapsys> I'm 16 and I've had a bank account since I started school.
22:28 < Synapsys> Mind you, I'v never had more than $500 in it...
22:28 < fre_ber> lol
22:28 < DjFoo> lol, yea i figured
22:28 < Synapsys> Though now, I have a job, it'll get there.
22:28 < DjFoo> i'm working on a project, but its in the beginnings
22:29 < DjFoo> so nowhere near payda
22:29 < DjFoo> y
22:29 < Synapsys> But, the PowerBook and the Audio interface will take a large dent.
22:29 < Synapsys> DjFoo: No offence, but get a real job.
22:29 < DjFoo> i don't like apple
22:29 < DjFoo> it sucks
22:29 < DjFoo> my friend had an idea to start a dance club
22:29 < Synapsys> DjFoo: Well, then he'll ned a few more years under his belt.
22:30 < DjFoo> so if we buy some abandoned warehouse, we could clean it up, and get work permits and get it going
22:30 < Synapsys> DjFoo: You really back up your predjudices with incisive and witty arguments.
22:30 < DjFoo> hes a genius, but hes friends with people on football, so we can get bouncers, and make it legal, and it should work
22:30 < DjFoo> if we all pitch in a bit
22:30 < Synapsys> DjFoo: Erm, You will need security, copyright authorization, power bills, safety and a lot of stuff.
22:31 < DjFoo> clean up the joint, lights, safety
22:31 < Synapsys> DjFoo: You need registered bouncers.
22:31 < DjFoo> registered???
22:31 < DjFoo> why?
22:31 < DjFoo> he knows lots of people that could be bouncers, cuz like i said, he knows lots of ppl on football
22:31 < DjFoo> well, that were on football during the season
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22:31 < Synapsys> I won't touch this, I have things to do.
22:32 < DjFoo> lol
22:32 < BleuLlama> heh, synapsis
22:32 < Synapsys> But, you should get a real job, you need to bankroll this thing.
22:32 < Synapsys> You should expect to make a loss for the first few months.
22:32 < BleuLlama> well, only the first few months, if you're lucky
22:32 < Synapsys> BleuLlama: I was being optimistic, like him :P
22:33 < DjFoo> lol
22:33 < DjFoo> right, but what was that about registered bouncers??
22:34 < Synapsys> DjFoo: I don't know about the US, but here, we need licensed bouncers.
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22:34 < BleuLlama> Synapsys: how's your summer so far?
22:35 < Synapsys> BleuLlama: It's been good.
22:35 < BleuLlama> cool. :)
22:35 < Synapsys> Well, actually rather warm.
22:35 < DjFoo> ahh ur in the UK
22:35 < BleuLlama> fair enough. ;) hehe
22:35 < Synapsys> But the real stuff comes in febuary.
22:35 < Synapsys> DjFoo: not quite.
22:35 < BleuLlama> that's when it gets really hot?
22:35 < Synapsys> You've got your hemispheres a little off.
22:35 < Synapsys> BleuLlama: yeah. and humid.
22:35 < BleuLlama> whereabouts on the island ;) are you?
22:36 < Synapsys> but we had a 42C day in August.
22:36 < Synapsys> That was a shock.
22:36 < BleuLlama> ouch
22:36 < Synapsys> I'm in sydney.
22:36 < BleuLlama> gotcha.
22:36 < Synapsys> Going up the coast today.
22:36 < Synapsys> Gonna catch some surf.
22:36 < Synapsys> I'll take some piccies. :)
22:37 < BleuLlama> did you experience anything from that tsunami, or are you guys too far away to have gotten anything?
22:37 < Synapsys> I didn't get anything.
22:37 < Synapsys> Wrong coast as well.
22:37 < BleuLlama> oh. duh.  sydney is on the south east coast... my bad.  
22:38 < Synapsys> New Zealand and the pacific Islands  protect us pretty well from Tsunamis.
22:38 < BleuLlama> i got it confused with perth
22:38 < BleuLlama> gotcha.
22:38 < Synapsys> I don't thing Western Australia copped anything
22:38 < Synapsys> but they felt the tremors.
22:38 < BleuLlama> ok.  I know the indian ocean is right there, but i was unsure.
22:38 < Synapsys> I have to go...
22:38 < BleuLlama> ok. see ya!
22:39 < Synapsys> bye. Talk later.
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23:03 < BleuLlama> minions make me fart
23:03 < BleuLlama> er. onions
23:03 < BleuLlama> whoa.  wrong window.
23:04 < macPod> bad channel to make that mistake in.
23:05 < BleuLlama> heh. nah.  just screwing around. :)
23:05  * BleuLlama is mainly over in #livejournal
23:08 < Luke> you do lj hacking?
23:08 < Luke> LJ just got bought out
23:08  * Luke afk
23:12 < BleuLlama> yeah. i have a livejournal, have had it for a buncha years now.  http://www.livejournal.com/users/jerronimo
23:12  * BleuLlama afk (FOOD!)
23:12 < courtc> macPod would know.. hey DjFoo you could get macPod to dance for you...
23:13 < macPod> o.o
23:13 < Kurcz> whats the point of a live journal?
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23:23 < macPod> How do you ban people from the forums?
23:25 < courtc> with Luke
23:25 < macPod> one of those free ipod posters tried it again
23:25 < macPod> 8th time
23:26 < courtc> l337phoenix?
23:27 < macPod> yea, I am not positive
23:27 < courtc> whats the status on the clock?
23:27 < macPod> but i do remember taking out quite a few spam posts and the name is familiar
23:27 -!- xemile [~emil@h81172212116.kund.kommunicera.umea.se] has joined #ipodlinux
23:27 < xemile> anyone ported apache to the ipod yet? :)
23:27 < macPod> a basic clock is done
23:27 < macPod> so has a basic tic tac toe that cannot be beaten
23:28 < macPod> I'm going to submit both as one patch in the next few days
23:28 < macPod> xemile" no but you can if you want
23:28 < macPod> now, dinner time
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23:30 < xemile> well it would be neat to debug php and java at the bus :)
23:30 < xemile> a wlan-plug in the dock would be neat too...
23:31 < xemile> i reeeeally want to be able to run linux at my mini...
23:31 < xemile> too bad I can't help much in the kernel coding.
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23:37 < piratePenguin> we need a toolkit...
23:38 < Luke> macPod: who tried to do that?
23:38 < Luke> i'm gunna ban his but and i'll send him a message saying macPod is coming to his house to kick his ass
23:39 < Luke> xemile: apache on ipod sounds sweet
23:39 < Luke> BleuLlama: you've got a great looking LJ
23:40 < Luke> i've never seen one that looked like that
23:40 < piratePenguin> LJ ?
23:40 < Luke> livejournal
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23:41 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: hows the GUI coming along?
23:41 < Kurcz> how do i unmount ipod again?
23:41 < piratePenguin> umount /mnt/ipod
23:42 < piratePenguin> rmmod sbp2  (if your using firewire)
23:42 < Kurcz> CTCP Versioned me eh?
23:42 < piratePenguin> yup :p
23:42 < piratePenguin> BAH!
23:43 < Kurcz> ill get you good!
23:43 < Kurcz> lol
23:43 < piratePenguin> WAR!
23:44 < Kurcz> yea im bored now
23:44 < Kurcz> lol
23:45  * Kurcz yans
23:45  * Kurcz yawns
23:47  * courtc bans 
23:47  * piratePenguin yawns
23:47 < piratePenguin> waitin for it to finish :s
23:47 < piratePenguin> I'm not doin anythin
23:47 < piratePenguin> theres a few more TIMEs after this
23:47 < piratePenguin> Kurcz: give up?
23:47 < courtc> sick'em macPod 
23:47 < piratePenguin> finished at last...
23:48 < piratePenguin> bleh!
23:48 < jintonic> i'm ok in c, c++ and asm, have a ipod mini (exchanging for a ipod full tonite) and would like to help in REing the ipod 4g... anything i can do?
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23:49 < courtc> jintonic, you know some arm asm?
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23:50 < piratePenguin> hah! Xchat auto-ignored ya Kurcz
23:50 < jintonic> none
23:51 < piratePenguin> "You are being CTCP flooded from Kurcz, ignoring *!*@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net"
23:51 < piratePenguin> heh
23:52 < courtc> leachbj and nilss have made most of the progress on the 4g so far.. you should talk to them to help if you can
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23:54 < phildev> I'm new here, what's up on boot-loader for 4g? Is the new memory map known now ? 
23:55 < Luke> i was really impressed with nilss work today - he extracted the flash as audio and was putting the bytes together bit by bit
23:55 < Luke> phildev: the flash on the 4g is encrypted and we only just got it off the hdd today
23:56 < phildev> :-)
23:56 < Kurcz> hahahahaha
23:56 < Kurcz> TIME bomb
23:56 < Kurcz> now im done
23:56 < Luke> but by leachbj's and nilss work, it looks like it may come some time
23:56 < Kurcz> but im going to visit mom in the hospital, ill bbl
23:56 < courtc> no encryption.. :p
23:56 < Luke> ?
23:56 < jintonic> i dunno how nilss thought of that :P
23:56 < Luke> me either
23:57 < jintonic> makes for some great background music though
23:57 < jintonic> :P
23:57 < Luke> =P
23:58 < courtc> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5169#5169
23:58 < phildev> how can I help ?
23:59 < Luke> courtc: interesting
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