--- Log opened Mon Jan 03 00:00:02 2005 00:00 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0475.ts005.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:04 < KuRcZ> yes 00:04 < KuRcZ> i have that 00:04 < KuRcZ> cuz i don't have firewire 00:13 -!- xt [xt@hash.bang.slash.bin.slash.bash.no] has joined #ipodlinux 00:37 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup198.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:37 < piratePenguin> I have a relitivly-good idea for podzilla :) 00:38 < piratePenguin> a little something I like to call... scrollbars :| 00:42 < piratePenguin> looks like I'll have to figure it out myself :( 00:42 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup198.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:49 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:49 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v macPod ] by ChanServ 00:56 < macPod> When caaaaaa*(*& comes back tell them I'm looking for them 00:57 -!- dju [dju@ip-250.net-82-216-156.suresnes3.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:40 -!- nilss [nils@pD958CA7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:44 -!- Luke [~blindspy@24-55-243-149.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:44 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 01:45 -!- nilss [nils@2001:6f8:1226:1:0:0:d95d:3544] has joined #ipodlinux 01:45 < macPod> http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=793&highlight= 01:45 < macPod> luke 01:45 < Luke> hey 01:45 < Luke> whatsup maccy 01:45 < Luke> mackie =) 01:45 < macPod> look at that forum :) 01:46 < Luke> hehehe 01:46 < Luke> i think your right mac 01:46 < Luke> there's pretty much no way that the ipod has enough juice to run a JVM 01:46 < macPod> Yes because java is terrible 01:46 < Luke> hahaha 01:47 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0046.ts005.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:47 < macPod> I really wanted to work on the image viewing :( 01:48 < macPod> perhapse if I pose as caaaaaa* 01:48 < Luke> how's come you cant work on the image viewing? 01:49 < macPod> because that would be two people working on the same thing and that is called a bureaucracy 01:51 < piratePenguin> I'm working on a scrollbar, and can either have a pz_draw_scrollbar function defined in pz.c that draws to the root window (after pz_draw_header). If I do it this way then other windows that want to see/use the scrollbar will need to be made smaller (and I have this working atm, but I wanna know if I should change it)... If I do it this way, the text/notes viewers can use the same scrollbar... The other option is to not have anythi 01:51 < piratePenguin> ng in pz.h and define a draw_scrollbar function in menu.c... whata ya's think? 01:52 < macPod> I think we need a ptk 01:52 < Luke> yea 01:52 < Luke> hehe 01:52 < piratePenguin> yep 01:53 < piratePenguin> is there like a skeleton ptk somewhere? 01:53 < piratePenguin> http://www.dotink.org/podzilla/ 01:54 < piratePenguin> what!? is that like a totally different project? 01:55 < piratePenguin> http://www.dotink.org/podzilla/docs/ptk-current/annotated.html beautiful 01:55 -!- fessiers [~dave@adsl-216-103-47-182.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:55 < piratePenguin> Copyright (C) 2004 Matthew J. Sahagian, Bernard Leach, Suzan Foster 01:56 < fessiers> hey 01:56 < piratePenguin> yo 01:57 < fessiers> I just got the 4g photo as a gift :) 01:57 < fessiers> I know there's some work being done to port 01:58 < fessiers> the kern to PP5020 01:58 < piratePenguin> is it the 4g, or the photo (colour screen) ? 01:58 < fessiers> photo 01:58 < fessiers> color ohh ahh 01:58 < piratePenguin> then.. I dont think the've started work on *that*, unless its the same as the 4g, which I doubt 01:59 < fessiers> Seems to share a lot in common 01:59 < piratePenguin> macPod: so, is that PTK? 01:59 < macPod> dunno 01:59 < macPod> I think it was kinda abandoned 01:59 < piratePenguin> yea, it coulda been integrated with the podzilla we hve 02:00 < macPod> or restarted anew 02:00 < macPod> in the new podzilla 02:00 < piratePenguin> could've... leachbj, you there? 02:00 < macPod> leachbj isn;t even in the channel :P 02:00 < piratePenguin> uhh.. nope 02:01 < KuRcZ> hahaha 02:01 < fessiers> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Generations seems to cover it 02:01 < piratePenguin> yea I just copped that on.. he was on earlier 02:01 < piratePenguin> fessiers: there will still, *probably* be some changes.. they could be easy to sort out, or very hard.. cant really tell myself 02:02 < fessiers> yea I bet. that's how these things go. 02:02 < piratePenguin> once they have 4g support sorted out, try here again... 02:02 -!- danalien is now known as princeofdarkness 02:03 < fessiers> From this page it looks like they've added a video encoder and a flash chip to make the 4g into ipod photo 02:03 < fessiers> I have some free time and I'd like to contribute 02:04 < fessiers> Strong C skills, CS/EE training from college, but havent done any embedded programming yet 02:04 < piratePenguin> wait for leachbj to turn up... 02:04 < fessiers> K 02:04 < piratePenguin> macPod: so, apart from ptk, whata think bout the scrollbar? 02:05 < macPod> I think you should make a class 02:05 < piratePenguin> option one or option two? 02:05 < piratePenguin> a class!? phew.. thats new 02:05 < macPod> you give it text and it makes the scrollbars according to how much text 02:05 < macPod> you coudl base it off the ntoe viewer thing we have now 02:05 < macPod> that would help alot of people out 02:06 < piratePenguin> yea but for menu.c , would that work? 02:06 < macPod> no, that could be another class 02:06 < macPod> a menu class 02:06 < macPod> and then a text class, etc 02:06 < piratePenguin> ok... so... you do the text class and I'll do the menu class :p 02:06 < macPod> eh, working on the clock now 02:07 < macPod> I've got more excuses too if you're gonna try to convince me to do that ;) 02:07 < piratePenguin> lol 02:08 < piratePenguin> k.. so I'll browse through the notes viewer code... try and figure it out, learn about classes, and make one (two) 02:08 < piratePenguin> I havent slept for 26 hours... and its 2:13am over here :s 02:08 < macPod> you should go to bed 02:09 < piratePenguin> I'm not even that tired... not normal 02:09 < macPod> put the coffeee down 02:09 < piratePenguin> no coffee here :) 02:10 -!- Dr_Unvisible [~stefan@dynamic-216-26-201-75.tbaytel.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:10 < piratePenguin> k.. I'll go and check this stuff out.. thanks macpod, goodluck with the clock :p 02:10 < macPod> heh 02:10 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0046.ts005.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:11 < macPod> Let that be a lesson to all you caffeine abusers 02:16 -!- OoTLink [~Link@adsl-69-107-88-27.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:16 < OoTLink> yar. 02:16 < macPod> merf 02:17 < OoTLink> looks like the ancient ghetto installer I made is going to get one more update before I kill it for good 02:17 < OoTLink> someone IMed me for support with the gui one lol 02:18 < macPod> for os x? 02:18 < OoTLink> yeah 02:18 < OoTLink> just the usual forgetting to install the userland thing 02:19 < macPod> why not take down the installer script? 02:19 < OoTLink> I dunno how they got to me because they didn't use my script lol 02:19 < macPod> dunno 02:19 < macPod> have you gotten any questions asking how to get their iPod to be recognized under linux? 02:20 < OoTLink> ? no mine was OS X specific as well heh 02:21 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup116.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:22 < piratePenguin> I think I found a bug in podzilla... depending on what a bug is.. 02:23 < fessiers> Anyone here now interested in seeing motion video on an ipod? 02:23 < OoTLink> you mean the slideshow trick? 02:23 < macPod> nope, unless it is color 02:23 < fessiers> That's what brings me here, to tell the truth 02:23 < OoTLink> be nice to see it on the photo nes 02:23 < fessiers> yea I see the slideshow trick 02:23 < piratePenguin> ah no.. it was a bug on my part (just rearanged the code) 02:24 < fessiers> But... 02:24 < fessiers> Let's examine the facts. These killer things have a _ton_ of disk space 02:25 < fessiers> Two kinda slow ARM processors 02:25 < macPod> kinda? 02:25 < macPod> 75mhz is slow 02:25 < fessiers> (maybe enough..._ looks like the jury's out) 02:25 < fessiers> there's definitely a debate 02:25 < fessiers> but the fact is, 02:25 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup116.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:26 < OoTLink> IMHO 02:26 < fessiers> Have you guys seen the slideshow trick? 02:26 < OoTLink> Apple needs to make the ipod a Microsoft Windows XP Portable Media Center Edition PlaysForSure player 02:26 * OoTLink ducks 02:26 * OoTLink falls over laughing at the name 02:26 < OoTLink> and change it to Apple FGL-780i 02:26 < macPod> courc you there? 02:26 < OoTLink> that'll get people talking ;) 02:26 < fessiers> haha 02:26 < macPod> I dunno what you did with the menus but they are screwing up 02:26 < OoTLink> then replace the elegant look with a two-tone plastic scheme 02:27 < macPod> I'm in the main menu and I see Music at the top 02:27 < OoTLink> Paul Thurrott would be proud 02:27 < fessiers> there ya go! 02:27 < OoTLink> yar 02:27 < fessiers> Seriously 75 mhz seems good enough to render 15 jpegs per sec with this slideshow trick 02:28 -!- Luke [~blindspy@24-55-243-149.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:28 < macPod> courtc it is for all the menus actually 02:28 < OoTLink> *yawn* 02:28 < fessiers> rendering a series of jpegs not all that different from MPEG2 02:28 < fessiers> MPEG2 has additional inter-frame compression (P-frames) 02:28 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0957.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:29 < fessiers> What I'd like to see is ipodlinux meets mythtv 02:30 < piratePenguin> I've got a setting defined as SHOW_SCROLLBAR 47 in ipod.h.. have the menu.c file setup etc... now, how do I check to see if the scrollbar is on or off (it is a boolean) 02:30 < piratePenguin> if (?) ... 02:31 < macPod> not sure 02:31 < piratePenguin> grep found: "ipod_get_setting(BACKLIGHT_TIMER) > 0" , so I better work on that... 02:31 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0957.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:32 < macPod> do you have a jpeg-6b I could steal? 02:32 < macPod> a built one that you could tar.gz and send via dcc or email or upload pirate? 02:32 < macPod> it seems mine has a bug 02:33 < fessiers> really how cool would it be to have your PVR / myth / tivo transcode a prerecorded tv show to a format that'll play on an ipod ?? You could watch shows that you miss when you're on the train / subway .. ! 02:33 < macPod> it compiles fine, but if I try to look at a jpeg, it does not load 02:34 < fessiers> what do you guys think? Will this idea get any traction? 02:35 < macPod> I dont think there is enough cpu power and I doubt people will want to watch a tv show on a low rez 4 shade display 02:36 < fessiers> there are for sure feasibility issues. 02:36 < fessiers> couldn't agree more 02:37 < fessiers> but do a google search for "iPod Video" -- I think people _do_ want this. 02:37 < fessiers> lowres - yes. but don't forget it'll do 64k colors. good enough for gov't work! 02:40 < KuRcZ> im getting suse pro 9.2 02:40 < KuRcZ> im d/l'in it right now 02:40 < fessiers> Hey I'm gonna try the slideshow trick... 02:42 < fessiers> OK here are my results. 02:43 < fessiers> You can call this a preliminary feasibility test. 02:43 < KuRcZ> would you be able to play videos on iPod photo? 02:44 < fessiers> I started mp3 playback. While it was playing back, I was able to view jpgs at 20 fps 02:44 < fessiers> using the slideshow trick... 02:44 < fessiers> I think I would be able to play videos. For sure someone would need to give some thought to syncronization and video compression algorithms. 02:46 < KuRcZ> you just need to let it support avi's and such 02:46 < fessiers> macPod - this thing has TV out. But I imagine it's still 160x125 64k 02:46 < fessiers> KuRcZ - well, maybe but maybe not 02:46 < fessiers> you might just transcode them on the host PC. 02:46 < KuRcZ> do the same thing for what the did for mp3's but for avi's 02:47 < KuRcZ> its defiantly gunna take a little while to leoad tho? 02:47 < fessiers> to some lightweight format playable on the ipod 02:47 < OoTLink> so 02:47 < OoTLink> fuck this. 02:47 -!- OoTLink [~Link@adsl-69-107-88-27.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:48 < fessiers> I should admit there were some brief delays when FPS went from 25 to 5 02:48 < fessiers> I suspect disk seek 02:49 < fessiers> ie data for mp3s far away from image 02:56 -!- Flik [~flik@d64-180-147-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:17 < fessiers> out of curiosity, where are you guys physically located? 03:22 < fessiers> I guess still no sign of leachbj 03:33 -!- fessiers [~dave@adsl-216-103-47-182.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 03:33 -!- fessiers [~dave@adsl-216-103-47-182.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:33 < fessiers> leachbj? 03:33 -!- Kurari [~Snak@cpe-24-143-140-014.cable.alamedanet.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:34 < Kurari> negro plz 03:36 -!- Kurari [~Snak@cpe-24-143-140-014.cable.alamedanet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:54 < fessiers> Guys ... PP5020 chip: 'real-time decoding of jpeg and mjpeg formats' 04:01 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0117.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:01 -!- Luke [~blindspy@24-55-243-149.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:01 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 04:01 < piratePenguin> anyone here know much about podzilla? 04:01 < piratePenguin> macPod/veteran: you there? 04:01 < macPod> ya 04:03 < piratePenguin> k.. so I'm working on this scrollbar for menu.c (I was dossing about for the last few hours), and I've done a bit of stuff.. changed the width of the rectangles so theres room for the scrollbars.. and, now I can draw in the scroll bar alright except for in the very top for some reason.. I'm guessing it has something to do with the 'Music' entry being selected first, but I've looked at the code and cant find out why... 04:04 < piratePenguin> #kinda hard to explain 04:04 < macPod> dunno 04:04 < macPod> have you checked out the newest podzilla? 04:05 < piratePenguin> yup 04:06 < piratePenguin> it wouldnt be an obvious thing tho... there usually wouldnt be any space to the right of the rectangles 04:06 < piratePenguin> I've got a screenshot if ya want it 04:06 < macPod> get 04:06 < piratePenguin> dcc? 04:07 < macPod> dunno the command :) 04:07 < macPod> ah, got it 04:07 < piratePenguin> heh 04:07 < piratePenguin> nothings happening.. could be my fault either 04:08 < macPod> lemme turn my firewall off 04:08 < macPod> grr 04:08 < piratePenguin> I'll upload it onto the wiki? someone else might need it when I'm trying to explain the problem.. 04:08 < macPod> k 04:09 < macPod> I got a q for you 04:09 < macPod> can you view images with the podzilla you built? 04:09 < piratePenguin> nope... 04:09 < piratePenguin> I'm sure its possible tho, but I would hardly use it 04:10 < macPod> mk, those build instructions are whack then 04:10 < piratePenguin> lol 04:10 < piratePenguin> comment them out... 04:10 < macPod> no way 04:10 < macPod> I'm going to make ti work 04:10 < piratePenguin> good.. 04:11 < piratePenguin> that needs to be merged into the one doc for podzilla I think aswell, sometime 04:11 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:12 < piratePenguin> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Image:Podzilla_glitch.png 04:12 < piratePenguin> the scrollbar should look nice once its done :p 04:13 < macPod> check slider.c 04:13 < macPod> maek sure you are not duplicating effort 04:13 < piratePenguin> I havent started the scroll stuff yet... just trying to get a placeholder kinda thing in 04:15 < piratePenguin> hmm... could it be something to do with GrSetGCUseBackground ? (I cant figure out that function :s) 04:18 < piratePenguin> probably not.. macPod, do you have any ideas? 04:18 < macPod> :D 04:18 < macPod> I got jpeg support for x11 04:18 < macPod> mm 04:18 < macPod> awsome 04:18 < piratePenguin> n1 04:19 < macPod> the jpeg support was easy. I'm going to add that section to podzilla tonigght 04:19 < piratePenguin> k 04:20 < macPod> so what's the deal there? 04:20 < piratePenguin> "add that section to podzilla tonigght" <-- you mean merge them or update the docs for building on desktop? 04:20 < macPod> yea, actually I'll do it as soon as my diff file appears on sf 04:20 < piratePenguin> macPod: deal where? 04:20 < piratePenguin> kk 04:20 < macPod> oh I see :) you added the scroll 04:21 < piratePenguin> lol 04:21 < macPod> hmm 04:21 < veteran> hey 04:21 < piratePenguin> well 04:21 < macPod> did you draw the bar all the way up ? 04:21 < piratePenguin> no 04:21 < macPod> hey vet, are you running linux? 04:21 < piratePenguin> of course I did 04:21 < veteran> not at the moment macPod, i dualboot 04:22 < macPod> pirate looks like it is drawing a white background 04:22 < macPod> there is a method that stops it from doing that 04:22 < macPod> umm 04:22 < piratePenguin> whats drawing a white bg? 04:23 < piratePenguin> the Music rectangle.. 04:23 < macPod> I bet that bar is drawn before the music rect 04:23 < piratePenguin> nope... 04:23 < macPod> you just need to set it so music does not have a bg 04:23 < macPod> no? 04:23 < piratePenguin> static void menu_do_draw() 04:23 < piratePenguin> { 04:23 < piratePenguin> pz_draw_header("Podzilla"); 04:23 < piratePenguin> draw_menu(); 04:23 < piratePenguin> draw_scrollbar(); 04:24 < piratePenguin> } 04:24 < macPod> hmm 04:24 < macPod> what if you take out draw_menu? 04:24 < piratePenguin> never actually tried that...... 04:25 < piratePenguin> :o same thing.. cant see the top 04:25 < macPod> take out the header while you are at it 04:25 < macPod> perhapse you are not drawing high enouggh 04:25 < piratePenguin> still the same..... 04:25 < macPod> I ponder that because the bar cuts off at a differnt height than the bar border 04:26 < piratePenguin> GrFillRect(menu_wid, menu_gc, screen_info.cols - 8, HEADER_TOPLINE + 2, 6, screen_info.rows - 2); 04:26 < piratePenguin> GrLine(menu_wid, menu_gc, screen_info.cols - 10, HEADER_TOPLINE, screen_info.cols - 10, screen_info.rows); 04:27 < piratePenguin> the root window is hardly doing anything to it.... so I have no idea 04:27 < macPod> eh, try drawing it from the very top to the bottom 04:28 < macPod> I need to head out for a moment will be back @ 12 04:28 < macPod> I would try drawing from the very top of the screen to the bottom 04:28 < piratePenguin> eh.. its 4:33 am 04:28 < piratePenguin> its working like that :/ 04:28 < macPod> you should get sleep 04:28 < piratePenguin> thanks 04:29 < macPod> yea, sounds like you did nto draw all the way up 04:29 < piratePenguin> yep.. I'm not even that tired.. amazing 04:29 < macPod> cause you are overtired 04:29 < macPod> you should try to sleep 04:29 < macPod> and i gotta head out 04:29 < macPod> bbl 04:29 < piratePenguin> cya 04:32 < piratePenguin> macPod: looks like your right lol... I didnt need HEADER_TOPLINE, cause its all relitave to the window, and the window is placed @ HEADER_TOPLINE + 1... stupit me.. thanks 04:32 < macPod> yer overtired :P 04:32 < macPod> go to bed :D 04:32 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:33 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0117.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:45 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-34-45.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 04:46 < Jonas_NZ> hey all 04:47 < veteran> hey 04:47 < BleuLlama> hi 04:48 < Jonas_NZ> any1 here using mandrake 10.1 04:49 < veteran> i use 10 on my laptop 04:50 < Jonas_NZ> hmm, cos i just installed 10.1 cos FC3 was too annoying, and MD claims that it cant check my ext3 data part, supposedly the fs utils are too old 04:52 -!- Luke [~blindspy@24-55-243-149.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has quit ["" the GPL doesn't support hazing""] 04:53 < Jonas_NZ> brb i have to reboot in order to get my partition going 04:55 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:04 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-55-34-45.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:05 -!- Toad [nobody@h0030bd91835f.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 05:11 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0080.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:15 < piratePenguin> anyone here ever made a scrollbar before heh? 05:15 < piratePenguin> in C 05:17 < BleuLlama> using which gui toolkit, or do you mean from scratch? 05:19 < piratePenguin> from scratch... I'm making one for podzilla.. coming along pretty well, have the graphics done, know the logic behind finding the height of the bar, but cant put it into C.. (cast, types etc, confusing) 05:20 < BleuLlama> "finding the height"... do you mean a bar that adjusts size based on the content of the scroll region? 05:20 < BleuLlama> (I've written a few guis with sets of widgets in C) 05:20 < piratePenguin> cool... 05:21 < BleuLlama> lemme see if i can find sample code. I think I most recently had it in my Deluxe Paint clone, which I've never finished. heh. 05:21 < piratePenguin> k, so.. I know how to find the height of the scrollbar (and yes, it should be the same as the Apple one), just cant put it into C 05:21 < BleuLlama> hmmm 05:21 < BleuLlama> lemme figure out the math... 05:21 < piratePenguin> I know the math 05:22 < BleuLlama> okay. hm 05:23 < piratePenguin> num_menu_items = 8 /* total number of menu entries */ viewable_menu_items = 6 /* number of menu items that can be shown on *one* screen */ 05:23 < piratePenguin> then... 05:24 < piratePenguin> hmm.. I might have it sorted (explaining it like this is pretty helpful) 05:24 < BleuLlama> :) 05:24 < piratePenguin> probably cause I didnt explain it to myself :p 05:24 < piratePenguin> anyhow... 05:25 < piratePenguin> num_full_screens = (int) num_menu_items / viewable_menu_items /* number of *full* screens needed to display all the data */ 05:26 < piratePenguin> num_fractional_screens = (int) num_menu_items % viewable_menu_items /* number of *fractional* screens needed to display all the data.. in this example, 2 over 8 (num_menu_items) */ */ 05:26 < BleuLlama> shouldn't that be: num_full_screens = (int) (num_menu_items/viewable_menu_items)+1 05:26 < piratePenguin> probably :p 05:26 < piratePenguin> and then ..... 05:27 < BleuLlama> like: 3 items, with viewable of 6 would be .5, which when cast to int would be 0, right? 05:27 < BleuLlama> I should wait for you to finish first. ;) 05:27 < piratePenguin> heh.. 05:28 < piratePenguin> scrollbar_height = full_height_of_scrollbar / (num_full_screens + ((int) (num_fractional_screens / num_viewable_menu_items)) 05:28 < piratePenguin> or so.. not so sure bout the casts or that 05:29 < piratePenguin> I can do it on paper, not that well in C :p 05:29 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-54-99-254.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ipodlinux 05:31 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: so....... 05:31 < piratePenguin> int scrollbar_height = screen_info.rows - HEADER_TOPLINE - 4; 05:31 < piratePenguin> int total_menu_items = 7; 05:31 < piratePenguin> int viewable_menu_items = 6; 05:31 < piratePenguin> num_full_screens = (int) (num_menu_items/viewable_menu_items)+1; 05:31 < piratePenguin> fix up the num_fractional_screens = ... line for me will ya? 05:32 < piratePenguin> it goes in next liek 05:33 < BleuLlama> ok... wait... i was thinking wrong (based on assumptions before) 05:33 < piratePenguin> k.. np 05:33 < BleuLlama> (working on it in another window) 05:35 < BleuLlama> explain in words what num_fractional_screens is supposed to represent. 05:35 < BleuLlama> i should just check out the podzilla code and just read through it. heh 05:36 < piratePenguin> its not in the cvs.. wont be till I'm done and send the patches of etc.... 05:36 < BleuLlama> gotcha 05:37 < piratePenguin> hold on a sec... food... 05:38 < BleuLlama> np 05:38 * BleuLlama goes back to hacking mspac 05:40 < piratePenguin> k... 05:41 -!- dju [dju@ip-250.net-82-216-156.suresnes3.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 05:43 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: num_fractional_screens is the number of *parts* of screen (not a full screen) that are added to num_full_screens to give the complete number of screens needed to scroll thru the menu... because in C ya cant say "seven and three over six screens", I'm doing the full number, and the fractional number seperatly... you know the modulus operator ? % ? 05:43 < BleuLlama> yep. ok 05:44 < piratePenguin> and.. (wait a sec) 05:45 < piratePenguin> one num_fractional_screen is equal to "1 over viewable_menu_items" 05:45 < piratePenguin> 2 is "2 over viewable_menu_items" 05:45 < piratePenguin> etc etc.. 05:46 < BleuLlama> why not just store all of that in a float or double? 05:47 -!- macPod [~macPod@68.49.46.158] has joined #ipodlinux 05:47 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v macPod ] by ChanServ 05:47 < piratePenguin> cause I *hate* floats :p 05:47 < piratePenguin> macPod! 05:47 < macPod> hey 05:47 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: more accurate the long way.. and I taut I could get it goin.. maybe not 05:48 < BleuLlama> all of this is to compute the size in pixels of the scroll bar handle, ultimately, right? 05:48 < piratePenguin> you 05:48 < piratePenguin> macPod: got the scrollbar graphics done... now I know the math behind calcualating its height (the same way as in the apple fw), and BleuLlama is helping me put it into C 05:48 < BleuLlama> hi 05:49 < macPod> hey 05:49 < BleuLlama> <- new here, and totally new to ipod linux/podzilla, getting a major crash course. 05:49 < macPod> heh 05:49 < BleuLlama> gimme a sec... 05:49 < piratePenguin> k 05:51 < BleuLlama> why not just something like this: 05:51 < macPod> you are coding this as a class right? 05:51 < piratePenguin> dunno what a class is... yet 05:51 < macPod> oh 05:51 < BleuLlama> int handle_size = (int)(height_of_container/(num_full_screeens+1)); 05:51 < BleuLlama> if( handle_size < 4 ) handle_size = 4; /* just in case */ 05:51 < piratePenguin> I will convert it when I come accross it 05:51 < macPod> or toss it off to me and I can assist 05:51 < macPod> essentially it would encapsulate everything 05:52 < piratePenguin> yep.. 05:52 < piratePenguin> so, am I alowd to flood 20 lines of code here? 05:52 < macPod> so instead of having all the garbage now, you could call something like menu.add item 05:52 < piratePenguin> oh 05:52 < macPod> do it in #ipodlinuxfloot 05:52 < piratePenguin> that'd be nice 05:52 < macPod> yea 05:52 < macPod> if you get the code down, I can do that 05:52 < piratePenguin> cool 05:53 < piratePenguin> #ipodlinuxflood ? 05:53 < macPod> I think it would significantly simplifly podzilla 05:53 < macPod> same goes for some other widgets I would like to see made like taht 05:53 < BleuLlama> I think i probably amn't qualified to answer this question, being such a newbie to the code. 05:53 * BleuLlama loves coding widgets. :) 05:53 < piratePenguin> heh 05:53 < piratePenguin> so.. what about reviving ptk ? 05:54 < macPod> possibly later 05:54 < macPod> but this will be good now 05:54 < macPod> or just make a new ptk 05:54 < piratePenguin> yep.. definetly 05:54 < piratePenguin> #ipodlinuxflood 05:54 < macPod> if it is done in this fashion it should be portable easily 05:54 < piratePenguin> macPod ^^ 05:54 < macPod> yes 05:54 < piratePenguin> get into #ipodlinuxflood macPod :p 05:56 -!- Jonas_NZ [~Jonas_NZ@210-54-99-254.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:56 < BleuLlama> did you see my code suggestion, pirate? 05:56 < BleuLlama> (num_fractional_screens) might be 0, which would be bad.. (or can it never be 0?) 05:57 < piratePenguin> oh.. nice.. easier.. 05:57 < coob> if it is just don't draw the bar? 05:57 < piratePenguin> eh? 05:57 < BleuLlama> yah. you'd want to catch that so you don't do a div by 0 05:57 < BleuLlama> if num_fractional_screens == 0, you will divide by 0... 05:58 < piratePenguin> oh.. 05:58 < piratePenguin> dangerous stuff 05:58 < BleuLlama> at that point, just draw the handle for the slider the full size of the slider container 05:58 < piratePenguin> I'm gonna have fun finding out the correct y position for the scrollbar :p lol 05:59 < BleuLlama> nah. that's easy too... 05:59 < piratePenguin> jeeze 05:59 < BleuLlama> (writing some code in another window... gimme a sec...) 05:59 < macPod> bleu what is your background? 06:00 < BleuLlama> right now, it's a scene of a desert island. very pretty. 06:00 < BleuLlama> ;) 06:00 < macPod> x.x 06:00 < piratePenguin> on windows.. I know which one 06:00 < BleuLlama> i've been doing graphics programming for about 8 years, off and on... written 2 guis from scratch, used many gui toolkits... 06:00 < piratePenguin> n1 06:01 < macPod> nice 06:01 < BleuLlama> coding in c since around 1991 or so... 06:01 < macPod> would you agree there needs to be a toolkit for podzilla? 06:01 < BleuLlama> C++ since about 1997 or so 06:01 < BleuLlama> you asking me? 06:01 < macPod> yea 06:01 < macPod> I think there are some nonbelievers here >.> 06:01 < piratePenguin> not me 06:01 < coob> macPod: you refering to PTK? 06:02 < piratePenguin> well.. a better one I'd hope.. even tho I never used PTK before.. but a better one still 06:02 < BleuLlama> probably, yes. all of that should be handled by a task in the os. I should preface all of this by saying that I don't know the architecture of podzilla/ipod-linux at all... i'm *really* new here. 06:02 < macPod> yes, but a better one 06:02 < BleuLlama> it looks like it could be a really fun project to work on. :) 06:03 < macPod> Oh it is, and you will learn alot 06:03 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: what ipod do you have? 06:03 < BleuLlama> (not to mention i've got lots of friends with iPods, and a friend that works on iPod accessories for Belkin. heh 06:03 < BleuLlama> G4 20 gig. 06:03 < piratePenguin> soon enuff.. you'll be on linux on that 06:03 < BleuLlama> i just wanna really play tempest on it... which i wanna write for it. heh. 06:03 < macPod> belkin makes the card reader right? 06:03 < BleuLlama> yeah. 06:03 < coob> get datasheets :D 06:03 < BleuLlama> i have one. works pretty well. 06:03 < macPod> mmm :) 06:03 < macPod> that needs to be ported 06:03 < BleuLlama> i think i have all of the belkin accessories, actually. 06:04 < macPod> your first job is to get the card reader working 06:04 < BleuLlama> heh. i can't do that, coob. they don't even have that. they only have the communications specs for the ports, and such like that. 06:04 < BleuLlama> actually, my first job would be to get a dev environment set up. (I'm on OS X) 06:04 < macPod> that helps too :p 06:04 < macPod> so am I, I can help you out on that 06:04 < BleuLlama> excellent 06:05 < BleuLlama> i will have to wipe my iPod to get iPodLinux on it, right? 06:05 < macPod> I've gotten everything to compile, podzilla, kernel, etc 06:05 < BleuLlama> sweet! 06:05 < macPod> you will not need to wipe out your iPod 06:05 < BleuLlama> even sweeter. 06:05 < piratePenguin> needa make a new partition, a small one 06:05 < macPod> just use a gui installer for os x 06:05 < BleuLlama> i need to backup my iPod anyway. 06:05 < macPod> a good idea 06:06 < coob> macPod: how did you get libitunesdb to compile under os x (for osx, building podzilla for X11) 06:06 < macPod> applied a patch 06:06 < coob> winner. 06:06 < coob> which patch? 06:06 < macPod> mmm, someone in here had it actually 06:07 < macPod> it really does not matter if you get it to compile 06:07 < macPod> any sound related function does not work 06:07 < coob> yeah i know 06:07 < macPod> because os x does not include oss sound support 06:07 < coob> but 06:07 < coob> i'm trying to code an mpd client for podzilla 06:08 < BleuLlama> in the current code, does decoding of the mp3 stream on the ipod (in ipod linux) happen on the CPU or in the secondary dsp? 06:08 < macPod> do you see any headers that say linux/sound.h or so? 06:08 < coob> and lacking a <3g ipod, have to do it in X11 06:08 < coob> macPod: i got it to compile 06:08 < coob> without all the music menus 06:08 < coob> the games etc work 06:08 < coob> file browser doesn't 06:08 < coob> had to comment out that menu 06:08 < macPod> my file browser works and I can see images 06:09 < coob> yeah but i dont have libitunesdb heh 06:09 < macPod> I can get into music menu 06:09 < macPod> havent tested that stuff out however 06:11 < BleuLlama> pirate: how does this look: 06:11 < BleuLlama> set y position of scrollbar handle: 06:11 < BleuLlama> handle_top_y_pixel_position = (int) 06:11 < BleuLlama> (top_item_number_displayed / number_of_items_in_list) * 06:11 < BleuLlama> (scrollbar_container_height - scrollbar_handle_height); 06:12 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: thanks.. I'm still sorting out the rest of the function... will add that, and tell ya if it works 06:12 < BleuLlama> ok. there might be off-by-one type of errors... but for a first shot, that will probably work adequately 06:13 < BleuLlama> and of course, if you solve for "top_item_number_displayed" you will get what the menu list should have as the first item displayed, based on the location of the handle... i think 06:13 < BleuLlama> it's hard to code into thin air, without building and testing immediately. heh 06:14 < coob> macPod: is the libitunesdb patch on the web anywhere? 06:14 < coob> google's showign squat 06:14 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama: thanks for the help 06:14 < macPod> it is 06:14 < macPod> it's in the logs here 06:14 * coob wget's and greps the logs 06:14 < macPod> unfourtunately I do not have it because I am on my laptop 06:14 < BleuLlama> piratePenguin: i'll be a lot more useful once i am more submerged in the code. heh. 06:15 < piratePenguin> heh 06:15 < piratePenguin> menu.c:197: error: `num_full_screeens' undeclared (first use in this function) 06:15 < piratePenguin> :p 06:16 -!- veteran [veteran@cs662543-207.houston.rr.com] has quit ["rm -rf yourself"] 06:16 < BleuLlama> change "num_full_screens" to "insert_appropriate_variable_name_here" :p 06:16 < BleuLlama> ;) 06:16 < BleuLlama> macPod: is there an iPod emulator for OS X, or do you have to throw builds onto real hardware to test them? 06:17 < macPod> podzilla is written ontop of microwindows 06:17 < macPod> and that allows you to build for either x11 or your target 06:17 < BleuLlama> aaah. nice. 06:18 < piratePenguin> whatch out in #ipodlinuxflood ...... 06:18 < piratePenguin> watch * 06:20 < BleuLlama> move that int handle_size up before you define num_full_screens. in C, you can't use any variables until all are defined. 06:20 < BleuLlama> and you can do things like int foo = xxx+yyy; 06:20 < BleuLlama> but you can't do (in C, you can do this in C++): 06:20 < BleuLlama> int xxxx; 06:20 < BleuLlama> xxxx= 4; 06:20 < BleuLlama> int yyyy; 06:20 < BleuLlama> yyyy=4 06:21 < piratePenguin> BleuLlama I know but I'm still getting that error 06:23 < macPod> how many hours behind is pacific time from gmt? 06:23 < macPod> 7? 06:23 < piratePenguin> dunno... 06:23 < BleuLlama> well, eastern is -5 (where i am) 06:23 < piratePenguin> Its 6:30 here, GMT 06:24 < coob> macPod: 8 06:24 < coob> -8 06:24 < macPod> thanks 06:24 < piratePenguin> its 6:30am here.. I didnt sleep this night *or* last night... and I'm not at all tired.. wtf? 06:25 -!- KuroiShi [~KuroiShi@adsl-69-209-1-230.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ipodlinux 06:25 < piratePenguin> thats like... 36+ hours or something 06:25 < piratePenguin> well.. nearly 06:25 < macPod> do you use any uppers? speed perhapse? 06:26 < piratePenguin> dont think so. 06:26 < mikeDOTd> piratePenguin: less methamphetamine, more sleep 06:26 < piratePenguin> :( 06:27 < BleuLlama> handle_size = (int) 06:27 < BleuLlama> +(container_height/(num_full_screeens+1)); 06:27 < BleuLlama> crap. wrong window. sorry 06:27 < piratePenguin> heh 06:30 -!- KuroiShi [~KuroiShi@adsl-69-209-1-230.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:34 < BleuLlama> the ipod has what, a 90 mhz processor? 06:34 < macPod> linux runs at 75mhz, the apple os at 66 06:35 < BleuLlama> hmm. 06:35 < nilss> it has a dual core arm7tdmi 06:35 * BleuLlama wonders if mame/pac-man could run at full speed... 06:35 < macPod> nilss leachbj is back, you should tell him of your progress 06:35 < macPod> he should be on tomm 06:35 < nilss> k 06:36 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:36 < piratePenguin> right all.. I'm away.. gonna mess about with this code and see what I can do.. 06:37 < BleuLlama> have fun 06:37 < piratePenguin> heh.. gl 06:37 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0080.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:44 * nilss thinks about what he could do with his old harddisk mp3 player... 06:53 < nilss> looks like it has an arm cpu, too... maybe i should try to hack it :) 06:54 < coob> what is it? 06:55 -!- fessiers [~dave@adsl-216-103-47-182.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:55 < nilss> it's a creative nomad jukebox 3 06:57 < coob> i had one of the first zens heh 07:10 < nilss> mhm looks like the firmware is stored in flash :/ 07:14 -!- macPod [~macPod@68.49.46.158] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:16 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:21 -!- dju [dju@ip-250.net-82-216-156.suresnes3.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:47 -!- KuroiShi [~KuroiShi@adsl-69-209-1-230.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:52 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup301.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:05 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:11 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup301.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:50 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:55 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup062.ts001.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 08:56 < piratePenguin> anyone here? I've been doing some cool stuff with podzilla... 08:58 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup062.ts001.bmt.esat.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:07 -!- fessiers [~dave@adsl-216-103-47-182.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:21 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:23 < coob> ... 09:24 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0850.ts005.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:26 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0850.ts005.bmt.esat.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:35 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EABD20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:35 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 09:36 -!- KuroiShi [~KuroiShi@adsl-69-209-1-230.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:40 < leachbj> moin moin 09:40 < johnny007> moin 09:41 -!- tlg [~tlg@19-233.243.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 09:41 < coob> ok mpd is a little odd 09:44 < courtc> moin indeed 09:44 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0313.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 09:45 < piratePenguin> anyone here? 09:45 < leachbj> so whats new anyhow? 09:45 < piratePenguin> leachbj! 09:45 < leachbj> hi piratePenguin 09:45 < piratePenguin> well.. not that much tbh... 09:46 < piratePenguin> I made a bit of a scrollbar, looks the same as the Apple one but mines not near complete 09:47 < leachbj> good stuff. 09:47 < courtc> leachbj, well not alot, nilss has all the info on 4g. Most of the podzilla stuff is documented on http://ipodlinux.org/Podzilla 6 items 09:47 < piratePenguin> and.. ya know the way theres menu items like 'Music' etc.. I set it up, just there now, so it adds a ">" to the end of ACTION_MENU, just like on the Apple fw too 09:48 < leachbj> hey courtc, I saw you did a on some items on the Podzilla page. I think we need a way to indicate whats in the installers, whats on beta and whats in cvs... (or at least the first two) 09:48 < courtc> Ok.. 09:49 < leachbj> the re-org on that page looks good though 09:49 < leachbj> hey how did the servers hold up with the ./? 09:51 < courtc> Well, but It was reducing the usefulness of the box to sys-techs so wammy put a block on slashdot referers 09:51 < leachbj> ah ok. 09:52 < courtc> It's gone now I'm sure, It was only up for a day or so.. 09:53 < leachbj> cool 09:54 -!- fessiers [~dave@adsl-216-103-47-182.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:56 < piratePenguin> In C, how do I count how many elements are in main_menu, settings_menu (the menu_item structs) etc.. ? 09:56 < leachbj> if you know the size of the array, u divide by the size of the element. 09:57 < leachbj> e.g. char foo[128]; sizeof(foo)/sizeof(char) 09:57 < piratePenguin> alright.. thanks 10:01 < courtc> leachbj, I have a patch for itunesmenu.c that I want to run by you.. It makes the path to the song absolute.. There were some people who had problems with it when they executed podzilla relatively... 10:02 < leachbj> absolute should be ok...? that will go via the symbolic link if needed right? 10:02 < courtc> yea 10:03 < courtc> - new_mp3_window(track->path, track->album, track->artist, track->title, track->length); 10:03 < courtc> + char mpath[128]; 10:03 < courtc> + sprintf(mpath, "/%s", track->path); 10:03 < courtc> + new_mp3_window(mpath, track->album, track->artist, track->title, track->length); 10:04 < leachbj> is 128 ok?... does itunesdb limit the lengths of the filenames? 10:04 < courtc> Naw, I could of course alloc to the size of track->path+1 10:05 -!- evergreen [~florian@p213.54.157.172.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ipodlinux 10:05 < leachbj> maybe we should just patch up libitunesdb though 10:05 < courtc> But I figured 128 was big enough.. 10:05 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0313.ts004.bmt.esat.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:06 < leachbj> yeah it should be fine. 10:06 -!- Wammy| [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:06 < leachbj> no need to make things more complicated than need be 10:06 < leachbj> just use snprintf 10:08 < courtc> leachbj, I actualy think its good to have the possibility to run via a relative path in itunesdb.. 10:08 < leachbj> yeah you're right. 10:09 -!- evergreen [~florian@p213.54.157.172.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Client Quit] 10:13 < courtc> Do you know what specifically causes mp3 playback slowdown on VBR mp3s? 10:14 < coob> ouh i thought of a better way to tie in mpd 10:14 < leachbj> not really... i don't have any vbr 10:14 < courtc> do tell coob.. 10:14 < leachbj> maybe thats why ogg doesnt work so well... they are all vbr 10:15 < coob> courtc: have podzilla browse as it does now 10:15 < coob> when it comes up with a list of songs, say after browsing to a playlist or album 10:15 < coob> it creates a playlist using the filenames for mpd 10:16 < courtc> but mpd doesnt use the iTunesDB ? 10:16 < coob> nope 10:16 < coob> would require a little util to parse the itunesdb into an mpd db heh 10:17 < coob> or edit mpd to just us the itunesdb, whcih is more feasible 10:17 < leachbj> can't podzilla just send it play requests? 10:17 < coob> leachbj: but the beauty of this way is that you have mpd managing all the queuing 10:18 < coob> and playing 10:18 < coob> so podzilla is purely doing gui stuff 10:18 < courtc> dunno if that'll work well... In order to chose a song mpd needs id3 tag info 10:19 < coob> does it? ./mpc add "/path/to/file.mp3" works for me heh 10:19 < leachbj> can't mpd just get a filename? 10:19 < coob> leme see what the client does 10:19 < coob> yes leachbj 10:19 < courtc> coob, but it indexes by id3tags correct? 10:20 < coob> i'm not sure, haven't looked at the db format yet 10:20 < courtc> And the mp3s on the ipod dont have any.. 10:20 < coob> probably has very similar info to the itunesdb 10:20 < leachbj> mine do ;) 10:20 < coob> mine do heh 10:20 < courtc> really? 10:20 < courtc> By default? 10:21 < coob> itunes creates them does it not? 10:21 < coob> oh 10:21 < coob> i forget you lot use linux heh 10:22 < courtc> when transferring files to the ipod i thought it stripped id3tags? 10:22 < coob> why would it do that 10:22 < leachbj> hmm... haven't looked that hard.. but I wouldn't think so..? 10:22 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:22 < courtc> maybe I just read something incorrectly.. 10:23 < courtc> In that case we could completely ditch the Itunesdb format :/ 10:23 < coob> i still need to get libitunesdb to compile udner osx 10:23 < coob> gunna have to wget/grep all the logs for the patch 10:23 < leachbj> coob: I think I have one 10:24 < coob> courtc: there's no point, otherwise the db would have to be resync everyt ime 10:24 < courtc> coob, it was a link to a patch as i recall 10:24 < coob> ok 10:24 < courtc> leachbj has everything.. 10:25 < leachbj> except a 4g ;) but now I can fix that too. 10:25 < courtc> Did you find some place that ships to germany? 10:26 < courtc> Because I can't :/ 10:26 < leachbj> not yet... I'm checking with a friend from germany that is in the us at the moment and some other options... I have a link somewhere to a website that will act as an intermediary... 10:33 < courtc> coob, well I'll let you finger it out... 10:34 < leachbj> i've just emailed the patch I have... if its ok I'll check it in 10:37 < coob> okt hanks 10:41 < courtc> leachbj, on the podzilla page: Is there any way in particular you want to specify whats in the installers vs. the beta ? 10:43 < leachbj> ummm not sure... 10:44 < courtc> Also, do we have a common place to send patches? 10:45 < leachbj> no, not really... 10:46 < courtc> Do you think that would be worth setting up? 10:46 < leachbj> yup... 10:47 < leachbj> maybe a patches@ipodlinux.org... probably have to talk to Wammy/veteran about that 10:50 < courtc> ok.. 10:54 < courtc> leachbj, btw I got pcf fonts working in podzilla :) 10:54 < leachbj> cool... any good alternate fonts? 10:55 < courtc> I just tested with an artwiz font for now.. I have yet to really look for a decent one.. 11:02 < courtc> Can you test a podzilla binary for me? I still dont have access to my ipod from this computer, 11:04 < leachbj> I can... but probably not for a hour or so..? 11:04 < courtc> Ok, thats fine.. 11:07 -!- acs [~acs@212.Red-80-36-133.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Terminando cliente"] 11:10 < coob> leachbj: i'm suddenly not so sure about that patch 11:10 < leachbj> the path one? 11:10 < coob> the libitunesdb one 11:11 < coob> i get a bunch of ITF16 to UTF8 conversion errors 11:11 < coob> UTF16* 11:11 < leachbj> hmm... 11:11 < coob> wiith odd results heh, leme post a screenshot 11:14 < coob> http://booc.coob.org/podzillautf.pdf 11:14 < coob> (sorry os x takes screenshots as pdfs) 11:15 < leachbj> fun :/ 11:15 < leachbj> yeah that doesnt look so right. 11:16 -!- lemur [lemur@cpe-67-49-59-25.socal.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 11:16 < courtc> haha.. looks awesome 11:17 < leachbj> hmm I'm really not sure... I'm not that familiar with the libitunesdb code but perhaps that endian stuff is all wrong. 11:19 < coob> think ill wait till macpod wakes up 11:19 < coob> and installa newer automake heh 11:22 < Synapse-> coob: Use grab, it takes tiffs, they are easier to convert. 11:22 < Synapse-> Or you could just imagemagick the pdfs. 11:22 < coob> Synapse-: command-shift-3 is easier 11:22 < Synapse-> coob: true. 11:22 < coob> and preview can save as png 11:22 < coob> just i'm lazy 11:23 < Synapse-> Then I suggest imagemagick. 11:23 < coob> no need 11:23 < Synapse-> coob: You can't automate preview. 11:23 < coob> preview does it. 11:23 < coob> yes you can 11:23 < Synapse-> I don't see the reason to open preview and go to export every time I want to compress a screenshot is all. 11:23 < coob> i don't take them often enough to care 11:24 < Synapse-> hm. 11:24 < courtc> Hey, lets argue more about screenshots... :D 11:24 < Synapse-> courtc: can we!? 11:25 < leachbj> coob: what version automake do you have? (courtc?) 11:25 < coob> leachbj: 1.6 11:25 < coob> though i just installed 1.9 11:25 < coob> trying it again 11:25 < Synapse-> Sleep time... 11:26 < Synapse-> Wait for this bloody kernel to compile.... 11:26 < Synapse-> Perhaps this one will work.... 11:26 < courtc> 1.9.4.. if thats what you are asking? 11:27 < leachbj> ta 11:28 < coob> hate autoconf/make 11:28 < coob> they're so messy 11:31 < coob> nope still getting the errors 11:37 < courtc> What kind of font should i be looking for? Something similar to Chicago/Charcoal? Or something less orthidox? 11:39 < coob> Charcoal would be cool 11:39 < coob> if not pcf fonts are pretty simple to create 11:40 < leachbj> not sure... some seem to not like Chicago... I guess "I want to choose my font" will be the option most will cry for :/ 11:40 < coob> a Font option in settings would be nice 11:41 < courtc> I don't really know the licencing for Apple fonts... 11:41 < coob> apple holds copyright but they're pretty much public domain 11:41 < leachbj> ?? which fonts? 11:41 < coob> Chicago is the font the ipod uses 11:42 < courtc> Of course it's a choose your own font type of thing but for default? 11:42 < leachbj> the compiled in one? 11:42 < courtc> I've heard some requests for Charcoal which is Apples replacment for Chicago.. 11:43 < courtc> leachbj, you think so? 11:43 < coob> well see what they look like then decide which is default heh 11:43 < leachbj> it would be nice if podzilla didnt rely on external files to run. 11:44 < coob> compile int he pcf's then 11:44 < leachbj> how is that different to the already existing font? 11:45 < coob> ? 11:45 < coob> different fonts.. 11:45 < leachbj> sure but adding in 5 or 10 fonts to the binary when only one will be used doesnt make a lot of sense. 11:45 < courtc> leachbj, the font defaults to the built in one if the font isnt found.. 11:46 < leachbj> ah ok... cool. 11:46 < leachbj> so if its a configurable thing then that should work fine 11:49 < courtc> I think we should include ~10 in the userland though.. But where, and which ones? 11:50 < leachbj> any freely available freely redistributable ones ;) (probably in /etc/fonts or so) 11:51 < leachbj> I'm not really fussed which particular fonts though... maybe start a forum thread? 11:53 < courtc> good plan.. :) 11:58 < courtc> whats the normal Mhz for an arm7tdmi ? 11:58 < courtc> I've heard 80, 90 and 99 11:58 < leachbj> the spec sheets say the pp5002 goes up to 90, the 5020 up to 80 11:58 < courtc> ok, thanks 11:59 < leachbj> but they are designed to be variable, so you can reduce the power usage 11:59 < leachbj> argh... 3 pages of new forum posts... 11:59 < courtc> yea, alot 12:02 < courtc> Does the extra 9 Mhz we use give the ipod much of a performance boost? It seems to take up quite a bit of power.. Is processor scaling plausable? 12:04 < leachbj> Recordings >8kHz freeze on playback ? 12:05 < leachbj> from the bogomips there is only a small difference by changing the cpu speed. 12:05 < courtc> Apparently.. Lots of people have been mentioning it.. 12:05 < leachbj> are they using that patch for "multitasking" 12:06 < courtc> Dunno, can't tell.. 12:06 < leachbj> is that version included in the installers? 12:07 < courtc> I dont think so, but maybe.. Certainly not in the OSX installer 12:07 < leachbj> if its not then its less likely that that is the problem :( 12:13 < coob> grrr 12:13 * coob kicks libitunesdb 12:15 < leachbj> sorry, I'm not sure how much big endian testing its had (probably none till now!) 12:15 < coob> heh 12:17 < coob> hmm 12:17 < coob> perhaps i should reconsider my idea anyway and just bypass itunesdb altogether 12:17 < coob> seeing how other formats (FLAC) are (probably) going to be supported 12:18 < courtc> heh, http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5315#5315 12:19 < courtc> feel free to edit/delete :D 12:19 < leachbj> looks fine 12:20 < leachbj> coob: I still think podzilla will deal with itunesdb but mdp wont 12:39 < leachbj> hey courtc, have there been any other patches posted to the forums recently that I should look at? 12:40 < courtc> not posted to the forums.. 12:40 < coob> the 4g_and_propermp3playback.diff patch 12:40 < coob> oh wait 12:40 * coob wakes up 12:40 < courtc> haha 12:41 < Synapse-> leachbj: how much is in the 4g fund? 12:41 < Synapse-> and how much is required? 12:41 < courtc> 8 USD 12:41 < courtc> 8m USD 12:41 < courtc> :D 12:42 < leachbj> give or take... I'm putting in my bid to buy the ipod division of apple now ;) 12:42 < Synapse-> hrm 12:42 < leachbj> serious though, I'm just sorting out where to get the ipod 12:42 < Synapse-> is there that much difference? 12:42 < leachbj> yup 12:43 < coob> yeah, seeing how much the dollar sucks at the moment 12:43 < leachbj> 299USD vs 329Euro 12:43 < Synapse-> mmkay 12:43 < Synapse-> hm 12:43 < courtc> there is a patch for scrolling of images somewhere up ^^ there 12:43 < leachbj> where 1euro ~ 1.3USD 12:43 < Synapse-> heh. 12:44 < coob> leachbj: that service that sends stuff to germany sounds cool, is it europe-wide? 12:44 < Synapse-> Well the AU dollar being hight against the US hasn't changed prices either 12:44 < Synapse-> well... 12:45 < leachbj> coob: not sure a friend from australia posted it a while back... need to find it though 12:45 < Synapse-> i shall nap and wait for this kernel to compile 12:45 < Synapse-> AU > * 12:46 < leachbj> http://www.shopthestates.com/ 12:48 -!- lemur [lemur@cpe-67-49-59-25.socal.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:48 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=794 haha :'D 12:51 < leachbj> courtc, whats the verdict on the blog? 12:51 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E5753E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:52 < Jack_MD> hi 12:52 < courtc> Umm, whaddya mean? its up.. Are you asking what I think of it? 12:53 < leachbj> your impression? 12:56 -!- Wammy| [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:57 < courtc> Well, I've yet to see anything on it that really was worth the effort of setting it up.. I'm hoping some some development work will spice things up.. On looks: I think its ok.. On Wordpresses functionality: Very nice.. On usefulness: I'll have to wait and see.. 12:59 < johnny007> leachbj, are you somewhere near germany today? 13:02 < goek_> erhm... what should i do to mount my ipod when i don't have a device called /dev/sda1 ? 13:03 < Exion> mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1 13:03 < Exion> ? 13:03 < coob> goek_: are you using devfs? 13:04 < goek_> coob, dunno 13:04 < courtc> coob, yea he is.. 13:04 < leachbj> johnny007, yeah I'm back home now... 13:04 < coob> REGISTER .* MKOLDCOMPAT 13:04 < coob> UNREGISTER .* RMOLDCOMPAT 13:04 < coob> stick that in /etc/devfsd.conf 13:04 < goek_> Exion, now i got a sda1 device, but i get a "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device" when running 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/ipod/' 13:05 < coob> goek_: does your kernel have scsi/firewaire support? 13:05 < goek_> coob, it's plugged in as usb... 13:05 < courtc> yea, mknod and devfs dont mix :/ 13:06 < coob> well, usb, whatever 13:06 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Mounting_on_Linux 13:08 < goek_> coob, k... just gonna check if i have firewire :P 13:08 < johnny007> leachbj: in the mediamarkt is today everything without mehrwertsteuer. i think they're having ipods there, too 13:08 < leachbj> hmmm.. I wonder if they have any in stock... 13:09 -!- Jack_MD_ [~Jack_MD@pD95F314A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:09 -!- Jack_MD_ [~Jack_MD@pD95F314A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:10 -!- Jack_MD_ [~Jack_MD@pD95F314A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:10 < courtc> leachbj, I like the idea of the blog you posted.. I was confused about the reader base its aiming towards.. 13:11 < coob> leachbj: you getting a 4g or a mini? 13:11 < goek_> hmm... i don't have firewire.. S: 13:11 < goek_> :S* 13:12 < leachbj> courtc: yeah they are the sort of blogs I'd read at least... 13:12 < Jack_MD_> @leachbj: did you tried out the linux 2.6.10 kernel for the ipod out? 13:12 < leachbj> coob: probably photo 13:13 < goek_> hmm... how should i mount my 4g ipod when i don't have firewire and have to plug it through usb ? 13:16 < courtc> coob, you wouldnt be talking about the 2.6.10 kernel that doesnt seem to exist yet would you? http://uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/uClinux-2.6.x/ 13:16 < courtc> ;) 13:16 < leachbj> Jack_MD_: no I haven't... its not very high on the priority list at the moment... 13:16 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD9E5753E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:17 < Jack_MD_> ah ok 13:17 < courtc> whoops Jack_MD_ I meant :/ 13:18 < coob> leachbj: nice 13:18 < Jack_MD_> what do I need to compile the 2.6.9 kernel? I know it is not as bugfree as the 2.6.10 (it has many hfs(+) fixes I heard of) but I want to give it a try 13:19 < courtc> for the ipod? 13:19 < leachbj> coob: yeah the photo and 4g have the same cpu, audio, firewire and probably the power managment is quite similar but the photo has the different screen 13:20 < Jack_MD_> @courtc: jup 13:20 < coob> and a tv encoder 13:20 < leachbj> Jack_MD_: you'd need to wait until Hyok or the uclinux.org team releases a patch 13:21 < Jack_MD_> @leachbj: err.. there is already a patch for 2.6.9, isn't it? 13:21 < courtc> a vanilla 2.6.9, http://uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/uClinux-2.6.x/linux-2.6.9-uc0.patch.gz and 2.6 patches from cvs should do it, right? 13:22 < leachbj> coob: you man that T1211 thing? its not really confirmed what that is... 13:22 < coob> no 13:22 < coob> the analogue converter thingy 13:22 < leachbj> coob: ah the ADV thing? 13:22 < coob> yeah 13:23 < leachbj> courtc: that won't help with 2.6.10 13:23 < leachbj> is that on the 4g? 13:23 < coob> no 13:23 < coob> the t1211 is tho 13:23 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Talk:Generations 13:23 < courtc> leachbj, either you are confused or I am.. 13:24 < courtc> I thought we changed the subject to 2.6.9 13:24 < Jack_MD_> I thought that too 13:24 < leachbj> courtc: sorry, I missed the switch... I took jack's question as there is a 2.6.9 can we use it for .10? 13:25 < leachbj> in any case... 2.6 isn't that exciting... 13:25 -!- Goek [~goek@0x503e5269.kjnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ipodlinux 13:25 < leachbj> and the filesystem corruption problem is a bit of a show stopper 13:25 < courtc> but the compile is prettier 13:25 < courtc> :D 13:25 < leachbj> courtc: try; make > /dev/null ?? 13:26 < courtc> heh.. 13:26 < Goek> anyone know what i should do to mount my 4G ipod when i plug it in as usb ? 13:26 < leachbj> (actually the 2.6 build is annoying, with 2.4 you can just cut & paste a gcc line to recompile a single bit 13:27 < leachbj> coob: I didnt think that T1211 thing was a TV thing... since the photo has that ADV chip for TV processing. if its on the 4g that strengthens my feeling. 13:27 < courtc> anyone know of a cli un'sit'er for linux? 13:28 < Jack_MD_> there is an unsitter for mac os x and windows, but linux? wait 13:29 < Jack_MD_> @courtc: how bout that http://www.stuffit.com/unix/ 13:30 < courtc> I'm not paying for that crap... 13:30 < Jack_MD_> you can download the trial 13:30 < courtc> for 15 days.. 13:31 < Goek> is http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Mounting_on_Linux also for usb mounting or only firewire ? 13:31 < courtc> Goek, unfortunatly only firewire.. 13:31 < Jack_MD_> @courtc: or give me the sit and I can pack it into a zip or gzip or bzip2 file, whatever you want 13:32 < courtc> I have like 20 to unsit though.. 13:32 < Jack_MD_> how many megs? 13:32 < courtc> And I dont even know whats in them :/ 13:33 < Jack_MD_> @leachbj: what is about the 2.4.28 kernel? 13:34 < leachbj> no gain 13:34 < courtc> except for 4 minor numbers :) 13:35 < Goek> hey dudes! i seriously need some help here! 13:35 < Goek> how do i mount my 4g using usb ? 13:36 < leachbj> plug it in then mount it? 13:36 < Jack_MD_> in force disk mode? 13:36 < Goek> how ? which device ? 13:37 < leachbj> cat /proc/scsi/scsi 13:37 < Goek> mount -t vfat /dev/??? /mnt/ipod 13:37 -!- goek_ [~goek@0x503e5269.kjnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:37 < Goek> [root@psykose dev]# cat /proc/scsi/scsi 13:37 < Goek> Attached devices: 13:38 < Goek> no other output than that,,, 13:38 < leachbj> do you have support for usb in your kernel? and usb mass storage devices? 13:38 < Goek> well i've just modprobed usb-storage 13:39 < leachbj> are there any kernel messages when you plugged in the ipod? what is show on the ipod display? 13:39 < Goek> and i've used my usb before 13:39 < Goek> the ipod shows "Do not disconnect" 13:40 < Goek> and haven't seen any kernel messages 13:40 < leachbj> i havent ever used usb before but with the firewire that means that firewire disk driver (sbp2) is loaded) 13:42 < Goek> hmm... which device should i mount ? i don't have any sda 13:42 < Goek> you know, no /dev/sda1 and so on... 13:45 < leachbj> ok, for my usb disk, I did a modprobe usb-storage, then plugged it in and it showed up as an attached device in /proc/scsi/scsi 13:46 < Goek> hmm... mine is connected,,, but i don't get anything in /proc/scsi/scsi 13:46 < leachbj> unplug it and plug it back in 13:46 < coob> leachbj: any idea what it could be then? 13:47 < leachbj> if you dont see something like "USB Mass Storage support registered." then its no good 13:47 < leachbj> coob: not really... 13:47 < Goek> nothing :S 13:48 < leachbj> maybe a dud cable? 13:48 < coob> Goek: is the ipod in disk mode? 13:48 < Goek> hmm... well the ipod shows as if it is connected... 13:49 < Goek> and i've used it on a windows comp 13:49 < coob> leachbj: maybe something to do with power as the pmu is also from phillips 13:49 < Goek> wtf is disk mode ? 13:50 < Goek> pmu ? 13:50 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Troubleshooting#How_can_I_start_the_iPod_in_disk_mode.3F 13:50 < leachbj> coob: maybe but probably not... that pmu is in the 3g also. 13:51 < coob> hm :< 13:52 < Goek> i think it's in disk mode now... 13:53 < Jack_MD_> yes, if it shows that "do not disconnect" 13:54 < Goek> yeah 13:54 < Goek> but nothing in /proc/scsi/scsi 13:56 < Goek> :( 13:57 < leachbj> what kernel version? 13:57 < Goek> hmm... help anyone ? 13:58 < Goek> 2.6.9 13:59 -!- tlg [~tlg@19-233.243.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 13:59 < Goek> [root@psykose src]# uname -a 13:59 < Goek> Linux psykose 2.6.9-ARCH #1 SMP Tue Oct 26 11:33:54 PDT 2004 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux 13:59 < leachbj> sorry really not sure... usb-storage works fine for me but i dont have a usb cable for my ipod so I've never tried it. 13:59 < leachbj> maybe post to the forums or try on the linux-usb mailing list 13:59 < Jack_MD_> short question: what is mtd in the kernel? something with memory right? 14:00 < courtc> memory technology devices 14:00 < Jack_MD_> ah thx 14:00 < Jack_MD_> is it necessary for the ipod? 14:00 < leachbj> no, it should be off 14:00 < Jack_MD_> ok 14:02 < coob> Goek: For a USB 2 iPod, the following kernel modules are required: 14:02 < coob> Support for Host-side USB 14:02 < coob> USB device filesystem 14:02 < coob> EHCI HCD (USB 2.0) support 14:02 < coob> USB Mass Storage support 14:02 < coob> SCSI disk support 14:02 < coob> got all of those in your kernel? 14:03 < Jack_MD_> the ipod doesn't have a Cirrus Logic LAN CS8900/CS8920 Ethernet Adapter, right? 14:04 < leachbj> coob: did you see my Wanted request for a cut up version of PCB images with just the chips? 14:05 < courtc> coob, I think thats an order.. Direct from the boss 14:05 < courtc> :D 14:05 < leachbj> haha... not really... just thought he might be interested :/ 14:05 < Goek> coob, well can't i just modprobe them ? 14:05 < leachbj> I have some ipodphoto pcb shots too... 14:06 < Goek> coob, i don't know if i have them... 14:06 < courtc> Goek, yea you should be able to.. 14:06 < coob> leachbj: wherE? 14:06 < Goek> courtc, then i just need to know what i should write to modprobe them... 14:07 < leachbj> coob: just on my pc (I sent them to Thijs too)... you volunteering to get them on the wiki? :D 14:08 < leachbj> Goek: modprobe sd_mod 14:08 < leachbj> for the scsi (disk) support 14:08 < coob> sure whatever 14:08 < Goek> [root@psykose src]# modprobe sd_mod 14:08 < Goek> FATAL: Module sd_mod not found. 14:08 < coob> gf's ill and i'm trying to avoid revising so i might as well 14:08 < leachbj> hmm... modprobe scsi_mod ? 14:09 < Goek> same 14:09 < Goek> :( 14:10 < leachbj> maybe your scsi support is built-in not modules 14:10 < Jack_MD_> @Goek: what about a kernel recompile? 14:11 < Goek> Jack_MD_, erhm... don't know if i can do that... you know i use Archlinux... a binary dist.. 14:11 < leachbj> do they have forums or irc? 14:11 < Goek> yeah 14:12 < Goek> http://bbs.archlinux.org and #archlinux here on freenode 14:13 < leachbj> maybe try there? 14:13 < Goek> i've tried.. 14:14 < Goek> to ask in the irc... 14:14 < courtc> Goek, I sure hope you can recompile... I'm using a compiled 2.6.10 on arch right now.. :) 14:14 < Goek> well i don't know how to ;S 14:15 < Jack_MD_> that's really easy with the help of courtc >:) 14:15 < Goek> :) 14:15 < Goek> heh heh 14:16 < courtc> wha? 14:16 < Goek> how long does it take to recompile ? 14:17 < Jack_MD_> on my 400MHz PPC it took 1 1/2 ours to compile a 2.6 kernel... 14:17 < leachbj> ouch! 14:17 < Jack_MD_> mh? 14:18 < Goek> hmm.. gonna try with a live cd 14:18 < leachbj> last time I remember hour long compiles it was on a 486dx75 14:19 < Jack_MD_> well, I didn't look everytime if the computer was ready, so after 1 1/2 hours I looked and it was finished.. 14:19 < courtc> haha 486dx.. ++crosscompiling 14:19 < Jack_MD_> *g* 14:20 < courtc> X and even firefox take longer to compile than a kernel 14:20 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:21 < Jack_MD_> what about XFree and KDE? 14:24 < Jack_MD_> mh... very quiet here 14:25 < courtc> leachbj: well, its been an hour.. Ready for that bin? Unless someone else wants to test? 14:27 -!- xemile [~emil@h81172212116.kund.kommunicera.umea.se] has joined #ipodlinux 14:27 < xemile> hello 14:27 < Jack_MD_> hi 14:27 < courtc> heyo 14:28 < leachbj> courtc: sorry, yeah dcc it to me. 14:29 < leachbj> what am I testing it for? 14:29 < xemile> Will porting linux to 4g ipods automagically bring support for the minis? are they running sort of the same hardware? 14:30 < courtc> well its got 6 menu items, I have that absolute patch in and Sterods is upgraded 14:30 < leachbj> cool 14:30 < leachbj> xemile: hopefully 14:33 < leachbj> xemile: it depends on how similar the hardware is, but from what we know now it should do. 14:34 -!- Dr_Unvisible [~stefan@dynamic-216-26-201-75.tbaytel.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:34 < xemile> I've read the http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g and do you think there are any chance the port will be done by end of june? I would reeeeally need the recording functionality by then. I can only make a small donation (I don't have a lot of cash...) towards that 4g ipod for the development team, but is it possible? I'm in sweden and I guess you have an american paypal account, and wasn't paypal split in two parts like; us and rest- 14:35 -!- Goek [~goek@0x503e5269.kjnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:36 < leachbj> xemile: I have enough for the 4g now thanks... 14:36 < leachbj> it might be there by june. 14:37 < xemile> that would be soo neat :) I'm hoping. can I do beta testing to help the development on my ipodmini? are there any chance I could destroy my hardware that way? I fuck up the warrenty too, right? 14:39 < leachbj> no your hardware will be fine.... if you restore its impossible to tell linux has ever been on there (for warranty purposes) 14:39 < leachbj> testers will be appreciated 14:39 < xemile> great. should I sign up somewhere or should I just keep visiting the site? 14:40 < leachbj> umm... we're setting up a blog where we can post this sort of stuff.. 14:41 < leachbj> in the meantime, signup on the forums and check the announcements forum 14:41 -!- iphitus [~iphitus@220.237.129.233] has joined #ipodlinux 14:41 < xemile> btw. how are the quality on the recordings? i've seen the number, like 96KHz, but I wonder how it actually sounds. like is the analog to digital converter good enough? 14:41 < xemile> ok, I'll do that. 14:42 < leachbj> I wouldnt hold out for 96kHz but it should be good. 14:42 -!- iphitus [~iphitus@220.237.129.233] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:42 < leachbj> the software needs some work to make it work for long recordings etc.. 14:42 < xemile> but the 44.1 sounds like it should? 14:42 < leachbj> if you're into software you could help out with that already ;) 14:43 < xemile> I don't know anything about low level programming (well like I read about 68K assembler for like 5 years ago :p) but normal c/c++ development is within what I know. will that help? 14:43 < BleuLlama> recording is mono, isn't it? 14:44 < leachbj> sure, its just in c. the user app called podzilla... 14:44 < xemile> I'll grab the source :) 14:44 < xemile> too bad I can't test anything yet, since I only have a mini... 14:44 < leachbj> BleuLlama: through the headphone jack it is (microphone), through the dock its line-in 14:44 < leachbj> do you have linux on your pc? 14:44 < BleuLlama> oh... right. i forgot about the dock pins. 14:45 < xemile> I have Mac OS X on my mac :) but I have a Fedora server in my home too... 14:45 < Jack_MD_> @leachbj: it was "diff -ur Originalfolder Changedfolder", right? 14:46 < xemile> btw. do you have any idea why the ipod supports such high quality recordings when apple doesn't seem to want you to use it? 14:46 < Jack_MD_> @xemile: you can test podzilla in X11! but I don't understand how to use it there... 14:46 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=801 ? mine does show the apple when it goes into disk mode... ? 14:46 < xemile> Jack_MD_: Cool. 14:47 < BleuLlama> exmile: i'll ask around why that is the case. 14:47 < leachbj> xemile: you can compile it under linux and use it with your pc's audio recording hardware. 14:47 < xemile> great 14:48 < leachbj> Jack_MD_: yes 14:48 < Jack_MD_> thx 14:48 < xemile> just one last thing :) are the recordings in some non-destructive audio format like aiff or wav? 14:48 < leachbj> xemile: not sure why they limit it, business decision though 14:48 < leachbj> raw pcm wav 14:48 < Jack_MD_> @leachbj: How can I use podzilla under x11? I've tried every key on my keyboard, but nothing helped 14:48 < xemile> neat 14:49 < coob> Jack_MD_: l/r for the left right scrolling 14:49 < leachbj> you need to focus on the podzilla window 14:49 < coob> m for menu... there's other keys, check the build instructions 14:50 < xemile> case '\r': /* Wheel button */ 14:50 < xemile> break; 14:50 < xemile> case 'd': /* Play/pause button */ 14:50 < xemile> break; 14:50 < BleuLlama> i do know that on apple firmware, the belkin and griffin mics just tell the firware that they are microphones, and the apple firmware does the rest. electronically, they are nearly identical... firmware wise, they are identical.. 14:50 < xemile> case 'w': /* Rewind button */ 14:50 < xemile> break; 14:50 < xemile> case 'f': /* Fast forward button */ 14:50 < xemile> break; 14:50 < xemile> case 'l': /* Wheel left */ 14:50 < xemile> break; 14:50 < xemile> case 'r': /* Wheel right */ 14:50 < xemile> break; 14:50 < xemile> case 'm': /* Menu button */ 14:50 < xemile> pz_close_window (steroids_wid); 14:50 < xemile> GrDestroyTimer (steroids_timer_id); 14:50 < xemile> break; 14:50 < xemile> sorry, a bit to long message 14:50 < xemile> too 14:51 < Jack_MD_> thx, but is it the same on every system? cause I'm on OSX 14:51 < leachbj> yes 14:52 < BleuLlama> okay. i need to download podzilla and merge MikMod into it. I need to have a portable mod player. 14:52 < leachbj> courtc: you have a 2g right? 14:53 < leachbj> BleuLlama: there have been a few requests for mod players (and other "old skool" formats) 14:53 < courtc> 1g actually.. 14:53 < BleuLlama> well, there i go 14:53 < leachbj> cool :) 14:53 < BleuLlama> ;) 14:53 < BleuLlama> i'll make an old-school visualization for it too. 14:53 < leachbj> in the 3g firmware they changed the disk mode stuff a little, it does more of a soft-reset... 14:53 * BleuLlama grew up on Amigas 14:54 * BleuLlama has a G4 but has friends with G3, and G1 iPods. 14:54 < courtc> Ah, ok. Thanks for clearing that up.. 14:54 < leachbj> (i think) the diskmode gets copied to fast ram and executed there, then when its disconnected it just switches back to the retailos 14:55 < courtc> Can you post that or do want me to? (I'm pretty good at copy paste) :) 14:55 < leachbj> u can ;) 14:56 < Jack_MD_> @leachbj: changed the linux-2.6.9-uc0.patch so that you can use it with the 2.6.10 kernel, but I don't know if it functions... now I'll test it 14:59 -!- IKEA` [~mikoxaflo@m-132-128.adsl.univie.ac.at] has joined #ipodlinux 14:59 -!- JonesH [~chatzilla@h60n1fls31o1118.telia.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:00 < coob> BleuLlama: know anyone who does demos? 9as in those oldskool visual demos) 15:01 < coob> ipod demos would rock :D 15:01 < BleuLlama> i dabbeld a bunch of years ago, and I've been working on a pac-man arcade hardware demo off and on... 15:01 < BleuLlama> oh, and i'm in contact with one of the guys from Spaceballs recently 15:02 < BleuLlama> but nothing really solid or anything. 15:02 < BleuLlama> I started out writing a Mode X demo for the PC years ago, and it just kind of became a documentation and visualization experiment project: http://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Software/demo/ 15:03 < BleuLlama> i haven't touched that in a long time... i should fill in all of the holes. 15:06 < Jack_MD_> @leachbj: can I apply the linux-2.6.7 patch from iPL CVS? 15:08 < leachbj> i dont think 2.6.7 cvs even works... 15:08 < leachbj> besides the ide problem. 15:08 < Jack_MD_> mh.. ok, what shall I do? 15:08 < xemile> what does this mean: not supported: flash support and power management 15:09 < leachbj> it means there is no code to do anything with the flash or power management hardware 15:09 -!- Ciaran [~mirc@host217-44-249-2.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ipodlinux 15:09 < Ciaran> `Hiya. 15:09 * leachbj is away: I'm busy 15:09 < Jack_MD_> hi 15:09 < leachbj> back later guys 15:09 < Jack_MD_> ok 15:09 < Jack_MD_> cu 15:09 < xemile> flash as in flash memory, as in the harddisk is always spinning? and power management hardware, is that for saving battery time? 15:13 < Jack_MD_> for powermanagement I think so, but spinnin flash memory? 15:15 < coob> i don't knwo what the flash memory is used for by tthe original firmware as the songs are cached in the sdram 15:16 < coob> pmu puts the device to sleep/controls power to maximise battery use yes 15:16 < xemile> oh, I thought it was cached on flash. 15:16 < xemile> so what does that flash support mean? 15:16 < xemile> or lack of 15:17 < xemile> is linux installed on the harddisk or where is it btw? 15:18 < Jack_MD_> if you mean an ipod mini: the ipod mini has a flash memory instead of an hdd 15:19 < courtc> hey, you know what would be supremly cool? A webinterface where you could upload .sit's/.dmg's and get .tar.gs's back :D 15:19 < xemile> or even .tar.gz's ;) 15:19 < courtc> Jack_MD_: no, Im fairly sure it has a hd 15:19 < courtc> xemile, :p 15:20 < xemile> me too. it might be the size of a flash memory though, like ibm micro harddrive 15:20 < coob> it is 15:20 < xemile> it is what? an ibm micro? 15:20 < coob> linux is installed on the hd, where the hell else would it go? 15:20 < coob> can't remember 15:21 < coob> it's cf shaped tho 15:21 < Jack_MD_> no, from all what i know the mini has a flash memory or something like that 15:21 < xemile> coob: well maybe on that flash, but since there is no flash support I guess it was a silly question. 15:21 < coob> yep. 15:21 < xemile> :) 15:22 < courtc> http://gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=13 15:22 < courtc> so there :p 15:22 < coob> courtc: any idea what the ipod uses the flash memory for? 15:22 < xemile> pretty black on white evidence ;) 15:23 < courtc> http://gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=19 15:23 < coob> also, i think that T1211 may be flash memory 15:24 < coob> as there's no SST in this iPod photo that i can see 15:24 < coob> and the 4g otherwise doesn't have flash ehh 15:24 < courtc> coob: dunno, possibly for what leach was talking about earlier? loading disk mode.. 15:24 < Jack_MD_> @courtc: yeah I ment a microdrive. *thinkingofmicrodrive* 15:25 < coob> ah 15:25 < coob> or the bios 15:25 < coob> doh yeah 15:26 < coob> the bios lol 15:26 < xemile> it's called firmware :p 15:26 < coob> no it's not. 15:26 < xemile> but it's an apple product? 15:26 < coob> so? it's not a mac? 15:27 < coob> they're two seperate things 15:27 < coob> on the ipod the bios loads, which loads the bootloader which loads what we call the firmware 15:27 < xemile> but they always call that sort of stuff firmware. are you sure they don't on ipods? I think I've heard it... 15:27 < coob> which is stored on the hd 15:27 < BleuLlama> the base firmware is third party. the hardware, design, user interface are all apple. 15:27 < xemile> uh 15:27 < coob> and contains the player etc 15:28 < xemile> so there is no normal software level? just bios and firmware? 15:29 < xemile> and are there a technical difference or have they just switched names? 15:29 * BleuLlama heads into work. 15:29 < coob> they haven't switched names, it's a handheld device not a pc so they're just used differently 15:30 < xemile> so what is the technical differences? 15:31 < coob> the firmware is the software that contains the player and the gui etc 15:32 < Jack_MD_> the difference between a "normal" computer and the ipod himself is, that the ipod has no mmu and the ipod a "bit" smaller and the ipod doesn't have a "normal" 105 key keyboard 15:32 < courtc> bah, all apple does is put it together and market it.. 15:32 < coob> courtc: design it 15:32 < coob> the design is what makes it successful 15:32 < courtc> well thats part of putting it togther 15:32 < coob> the most important part. 15:33 < coob> people underestimate good design. 15:33 < xemile> well, specially low level programmers... 15:33 < xemile> :p 15:38 < courtc> I'd say its near impossible for a 'low level programmer' to underestimate good design.. Because the better half of 'low level programming' is good design.. Otherwise the program never gets finished.. Therefor the person doing the programming never really becomes a 'Programmer' just a diddler or a person who dab in low level code... 15:38 < courtc> :D 15:42 < courtc> That or they spit out really crappy programs.. Then they are known as _____ ... Fill in the blank.. 15:46 < courtc> nobody wants to play my game? :/ 15:48 < Jack_MD_> which game? 15:52 < Jack_MD_> courtc? 15:53 < coob> microsoft? 15:59 < Jack_MD_> mh.. yeah M$ seems to be right 16:02 < BleuLlama> Jack_MD_: computers don't need MMUs.. most early micros (6502, 6800, 68000, 8080, Z80, etc) don't have MMUs or the capability for them 16:02 < BleuLlama> even the 68000 couldn't use one. the 68010 could though. 16:07 < coob> found a bug in the wiki... 16:07 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Special:Imagelist 16:08 < coob> dunno how it happened though 16:11 -!- hafez [~hafez@213-202-168-117.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:11 < hafez> lo 16:12 < hafez> any developers here/ 16:12 < BleuLlama> developers developers developers developers 16:13 < hafez> yrd 16:13 < hafez> lol 16:13 < hafez> i think ill leave now 16:13 -!- hafez [~hafez@213-202-168-117.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 16:17 < Jack_MD_> ok, I'll leave now too... cy 16:17 < Jack_MD_> a 16:17 -!- Jack_MD_ [~Jack_MD@pD95F314A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:18 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Photo_PCB_Images 16:19 < BleuLlama> what gen is that? 16:23 < coob> the clue's in the title 16:23 < BleuLlama> ah. heh. i just parsed it wrong. 16:27 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EABD20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:28 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAA408.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:28 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 16:33 < leachbj> coob: what are those images supposed to be named? 16:39 < coob> it's not supposed to be named anything 16:39 < coob> that blank one 16:39 < coob> i dunno wtf happened ther 16:39 < coob> i reuploaded and it's ok 16:39 < leachbj> oops ;) 16:39 < leachbj> so it just needs deleting? 16:40 < coob> yeah but it has no name so i duuno how you'd do that heh 16:40 < coob> i cocked up moving 4gImages as well heh 16:41 < leachbj> it might need some sql magic... I'll let veteran look at it. 16:41 < coob> uploading those chip images also 16:42 < coob> i'll stick them on the 4g PCb Images page 16:42 < coob> and the Photo PCB Images page 16:42 < leachbj> just saw some of them... cool.... did you see the iriver(?) page that inspired me 16:42 < leachbj> ? 16:43 < coob> nope 16:43 < leachbj> just searching for it now 16:44 < coob> http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/4g_hacking 16:44 < coob> I don't see the point of that page 16:45 < leachbj> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents 16:45 < leachbj> yeah it seems a little... empty 16:46 < coob> leachbj: on the photo pcb images, the last 2, is that chips with the blub blob on it the flash? 16:47 < leachbj> yup, in one of the photos, if you rotate it right the labels are readable. 16:47 < coob> also, whats the flash used for, bios? or is that already on the pp? 16:47 < coob> they're not heh 16:47 < coob> not properly anyway :< 16:48 < leachbj> flash holds the bootloader, diagnostic, disk mode and disk scan code. 16:49 < coob> ah ok 16:49 < leachbj> did u see that rockbox page? 16:50 < coob> yeah 16:50 < coob> cba to do anything similar tho heh 16:50 < leachbj> well the images are a good start... 16:51 < coob> i did some from the photo pcb too i'll up them 16:51 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:51 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v macPod ] by ChanServ 16:51 < coob> leachbj: any idea what those aqa ones on the photo are? 16:52 < coob> there's 2 of them 16:52 < leachbj> which image and where? 16:56 < IKEA`> this question has most likely been asked dozens of times, but... 16:56 < IKEA`> around when are you done with 4G support? 16:57 < leachbj> we're still not done with 4G support :/ but to get basic 4G support is still another couple of months off I would guess 16:57 < IKEA`> alright, thanks 16:57 < IKEA`> can't wait 16:59 < IKEA`> how come the two firmwares are so different, though? I'd have expected it to be just changing a few lines of code 16:59 < coob> ? 16:59 < coob> they use two entirly different SOCs 16:59 < coob> why would you just assume it's 'changing a few lines of code'? 17:00 < leachbj> IKEA` thats how it is for the 1g/2g and 3g but as coob says its more like the difference between a x86 based processor and a powerpc processor... 17:00 < IKEA`> no, I meant it would just be a matter of changing a few lines of code to make ipodlinux support 4G pods 17:00 < IKEA`> ah 17:01 < coob> why would you assume that? 17:01 < IKEA`> a click wheel and a bigger harddrive don't have to mean big changes to the mainboard (if you can call it that) 17:02 < coob> well there was even rudimentry press on the 4g's release of a huge internal reworking 17:02 < BleuLlama> but in this case, the hardware is a lot more different. 17:02 < BleuLlama> a lot more different? man... me have bad grammar 17:02 < coob> just because that's all you see different on the outside doesn't mean there's been drastic internal change 17:02 < macPod> think different bleu :P 17:02 < BleuLlama> hehe 17:02 < coob> lool mcPod 17:03 < coob> macPod, have you gotten libitunesdb to work nicely under OS X? 17:03 < coob> leachbj: http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Image:AQA.jpg that thing 17:04 < macPod> it will never play songs but you should be able to browse your library 17:04 < macPod> havent really tried that part out 17:04 < leachbj> coob: aha... ok 17:04 < IKEA`> another thing that puzzles me is why apple hasn't made the iPod OS more open... like ipodlinux, i.e. being able to add 3rd party games/apps, a filebrowser, that sort of stuff 17:04 -!- veteran [veteran@cs662543-207.houston.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:04 -!- tlg [~tlg@19-233.243.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 17:04 < coob> IKEA`: they probably don't want anyone kackiing it up, it's brand protection 17:05 < coob> i.e. someone else's software messes it up, it hurt's apple's brand image 17:05 < IKEA`> guess you're right 17:05 < IKEA`> apple's pretty picky on that matter anyway 17:05 < BleuLlama> ikea: they want full quality control; they want to control the way it is percieved... that's steve's way. 17:05 < BleuLlama> much like how os 8 dropped appearance skins once steve came back into the company 17:05 < coob> it's most corporation's way heh, care equally if not more for brand than product 17:06 < IKEA`> not that it stopped anyone from skinning the OS... 17:06 < BleuLlama> er, how apple dropped it from OS 8... 3rd party apps were always available, but they weren't sanctioned or supported by apple 17:06 * BleuLlama has some 3rd party skin apps for OS 7. 17:06 < BleuLlama> heh 17:06 < IKEA`> yeah, I understand what you mean 17:06 < coob> macPod: nope, can't even browse, libitunesdb fails when converting from UTF16 to UTF8 17:06 < veteran> wow busy day in the forums 17:07 < leachbj> coob: did you get an ID on those small chips near the AQA chips? 17:07 < coob> it wouldn't even compile without a patch from leachbj 17:07 < leachbj> ADVQUK433? 17:07 < macPod> yea, peterburk seems to be forum answer happy too :p 17:07 < BleuLlama> might be a video driver for the new Video out, perhaps? 17:08 < veteran> leachbj - what's the status on donations? 17:08 < leachbj> veteran: i'm all set.. just working out purchasing 17:08 < veteran> great :D 17:08 < coob> BleuLlama: that's the ADV7179 17:09 * BleuLlama taking shots in the dark. 17:09 * BleuLlama knows much less than you guys do, and will now stfu 17:09 < coob> BleuLlama: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations 17:10 < coob> hmm leach i dunno if that's a q.. 17:10 < leachbj> me neither 17:11 < coob> macPod: what did you do to get your libitunesdb to compile? 17:11 < macPod> added a patch 17:11 < coob> which one? 17:11 < macPod> one from here 17:11 < coob> :< any chance you could ddc it to me? 17:11 < leachbj> 6UR? 17:11 < coob> dunno leeach 17:12 < macPod> I'm going to make a diff for that and I'll post it. 17:12 < coob> dcc* 17:12 < macPod> along with the podzilla one 17:12 < coob> greta thanks 17:12 < coob> yeah for the podzilla one i just commented out all the soundcard stuff 17:12 < macPod> it'll take a little while because I want to make sure it is a good patch 17:12 < courtc> haha microsoft.. thats fits perfect 17:13 < veteran> iPodLinux Security Update 29384 17:13 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by courtc 17:13 < macPod> courtc is caaaam still doing image support? 17:14 < courtc> macPod: yea, I think so.. 17:14 < courtc> macPod, I would love dithering though... 17:15 < macPod> smoothing? 17:15 < macPod> heh, I jsut made an app that did that. 17:15 < courtc> uh, yea... 17:15 < macPod> or dithering as in havign a clear background that fades off with a bg color 17:18 < courtc> http://arnspub.com/FortMac/GrfxFileFmts/Dithering.html 17:18 < veteran> what wiki page do you guys think all current developers be listed on with what they are currently working on? 17:18 < veteran> Contributors? 17:19 < macPod> how about a new page that lists what things are being done currently and who is doing them 17:19 < macPod> we kinda have that set up for podzilla 17:19 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F314A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:19 < normalperson> mpd can use filenames, but they need to be in the music directory 17:19 < macPod> but it would be nice to have a page to itself that shows all development 17:19 < courtc> normalperson, cool 17:20 < Jack_MD> hi again 17:20 < macPod> gotcha courtc 17:20 < normalperson> if you want itunesdb supported in mpd, use Arch and branch/fork off me (or shank), I'm not going to bother debugging it :) 17:20 < Jack_MD> @macpod: how about the localized installer? 17:21 < macPod> still have not gotten any more translations in 17:21 < Jack_MD> ah, ok 17:21 < normalperson> the ipod version of mpd is a long-running parallel branch to the main trunk, as well 17:21 < Jack_MD> does anybody of you know a linux source distribution (without LFS)? 17:22 < normalperson> <-- has never used itunes, itunesdb in his life 17:22 < courtc> veteran, is it to much to ask to for a mail server on the ipodlinux.org domain? e.g. patches@ipodlinux.org? 17:22 < leachbj> coob: i think that other ADV chip is a digitally controlled variable resister 17:22 -!- Dr_Unvisible [~stefan@dynamic-216-26-201-75.tbaytel.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:22 < coob> k 17:23 -!- KuroiShi [~KuroiShi@adsl-69-209-1-230.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:24 < normalperson> leachbj: ldmdb r1!, {r2, r3} should be equivalent to ldr r2, [r1, #-4]!; ldr r3, [r1, #-4]!; right? 17:24 < courtc> Jack_MD, quit that.. ;) 17:24 < leachbj> i'm not sure about the pre-increment etc but essentially yes... 17:24 < normalperson> how does itunesdb deal with files itunes doesn't know about (ogg, flac)? 17:25 < Jack_MD> @courtc: whatdo you mean? 17:25 < normalperson> leachbj: it's a pre-decrement both ways, isn't it? 17:25 < leachbj> if you can get them into the db the actual file type is not even in there 17:25 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #iPodLinux 17:25 < courtc> Jack_MD, * Received a CTCP VERSION from Jack_MD 17:25 < coob> normalperson: it doesn't. 17:26 < fre_ber> Hello boyz 17:26 < leachbj> its more like 17:26 < Jack_MD> courtc: "Jack_MD, * Received a CTCP VERSION from Jack_MD" what? 17:26 < Jack_MD> hi 17:26 < normalperson> I'm probably going to merge the latest DB code from shank in the next few days into my version of mpd 17:26 < courtc> fre_ber, 17:26 < courtc> hey 17:26 < coob> hence me thinking mad things of an itunesdb->mpddb convert/syncer and changing itunesmenu.c/itunes_db.c to get it's info using libmpdclient 17:26 < leachbj> both ways -> not sure, I'd have to check 17:26 < normalperson> coob: interesting 17:27 < normalperson> mpddb is a text file that's loaded at startup, and written on updates 17:27 < normalperson> during normal usage, mpd does everything in memory 17:27 < coob> yes 17:27 < coob> but i was thinking of going through the mpd server 17:27 < macPod> courtc doesn't microwindows already have dithering? 17:27 < veteran> muahaha 17:28 < courtc> haha 17:28 < courtc> macPod, dunno, not that I've seen.. 17:28 < macPod> yes, it does 17:28 < fre_ber> I have seen dithering too. 17:29 < macPod> I see it right now 17:29 < macPod> courtc's trying to make me do duplicate work.... 17:29 < fre_ber> Lol, figures. 17:29 < veteran> macpod - i was thinking of calling the page Developers 17:29 < veteran> but that sounds an awful lot like Contributors 17:30 < macPod> How about Current Development 17:30 < fre_ber> Of course, I haven't really looked closely at the quality of the dithering... 17:30 < veteran> two words = more typing = 0.002 minutes more work for veteran 17:30 < courtc> macPod, It dithers the pictures already? It doesnt say that in the function documentation 17:31 < normalperson> does anybody else here know arm asm? 17:31 < macPod> accoridng to google, imaging software generallay automatically dithers images when the the displays are below 256 colors 17:31 < fre_ber> courtc: I looked at several colour images using caams binary and they were all dithered. 17:32 < BleuLlama> i know 68k, x86 and Z80 asm. heh. 17:32 < fre_ber> normalperson: I wish I did. 17:32 < courtc> its like 68k asm 17:32 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F314A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:32 -!- KuroiShi [~KuroiShi@adsl-69-209-1-230.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Leaving"] 17:32 * BleuLlama is gonna learn arm next... 17:32 < fre_ber> I knew 68k asm in the stone ages. 17:33 < courtc> veteran, did you answer my ^ q? 17:33 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F314A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:33 < veteran> nope. 17:33 < courtc> ok.. 17:33 < veteran> mailserver is easy =p 17:34 < normalperson> courtc: want me to profile libmad for you tonight and send you info on where the bottlenecks are? 17:34 -!- uglymanAtWork [~uglyman@evrtwa1-ar5-4-65-003-082.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:35 < courtc> macPod, well in the documentation it says it approximates closes color which is _not_ dithering :/ 17:35 < normalperson> or you can just use oprofile, which is 100x nicer than gprof 17:35 < veteran> i might want to switch servers to our cPanel server though 17:35 < courtc> normalperson, would you? that would be swell 17:35 < veteran> ipodlinux is basically on a dedicated webserver now 17:35 < fre_ber> courtc: One kind of dither, the poor kind, I would say. 17:35 < veteran> sharing with a few game hosting clients 17:36 < macPod> there is definitly dithering 17:36 < veteran> irc is so stupid. 17:36 < normalperson> courtc: remind me tonight 17:37 < veteran> conversations should be grouped ;) 17:37 < macPod> I just made an image with 5 flat color blocks 17:37 < macPod> saved it as a high quality jpg 17:37 < BleuLlama> veteran: I've been saying that (irc is stupid) since 1992. ;) 17:37 < veteran> BleuLlama - let's make it better, then 17:37 < courtc> normalperson, I tried yesterday, but I'm not sure how to profile a lib :p 17:38 < normalperson> courtc: oprofile.sf.net 17:38 < macPod> and the color blocks are display staticy meaning dithering occured 17:38 < BleuLlama> veteran: too many projects on my plate already. :( 17:38 < veteran> eheh 17:38 < macPod> but indeed it is bad dithering 17:38 < BleuLlama> veteran: I just deal. 17:38 < BleuLlama> veteran: ;) 17:38 < normalperson> courtc: I just do it on my desktop system with optimizations (inlining) off and asm off 17:39 < macPod> it might be caused by the jpeg quality even though I set it as highest 17:39 < BleuLlama> veteran: either that, or just wait for someone else to do it... one less thing for me to do. hehe 17:39 < veteran> 12 years so far =p 17:39 < leachbj> normalperson: ok, db is decrement before and ! is writeback so yeah your 2nd should be the same 17:39 < courtc> normalperson, I thought oprofile only profiled processes? 17:39 < BleuLlama> macPod: why not do an image that is a gradient from white to black, and see how it displays, rather than just flat solids? 17:39 -!- tindust [tindust@213.193.225.53] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:39 < normalperson> courtc: no, it's system-wide 17:39 < BleuLlama> veteran: yah, well, that's where the "dealing with it" side comes in... 17:40 < courtc> huh 17:40 < normalperson> leachbj: yeah, they should be the same from what I've read, too, but the ldm variant screws up FLAC 17:40 < macPod> bleu, that shows dithering too 17:40 < macPod> but again it is poor 17:41 < BleuLlama> gotcha 17:44 < courtc> normalperson, yea, good luck on the forums :/ 17:45 < courtc> would it not be 'ldmdb r1!, {r2, r3} #-4' ? 17:45 < leachbj> normalperson: is the ^ the up down bit? 17:46 -!- uglymanAtWork [~uglyman@evrtwa1-ar5-4-65-003-082.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- KuRcZ [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- Exion [~jon@airplane1.suphammer.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- usv_ [~jpaalija@asuka.tky.hut.fi] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- RichiH [richih@richih.staff.freenode] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- alexander [~alexander@alexander.developer.gentoo] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- princeofdarkness [~danalien@h211n1fls29o1061.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- xemile [~emil@h81172212116.kund.kommunicera.umea.se] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- loofus [~loofus@CPE000f6690f959-CM0011aec4f2ec.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- bonzi [~bonzi52@S01060004e29cb034.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- dollar [godfather@pwns.co.uk] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- nilss [nils@2001:6f8:1226:1:0:0:d95d:3544] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- JonesH [~chatzilla@h60n1fls31o1118.telia.com] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- coob [pen0r@82-44-227-205.cable.ubr11.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- Synapse- [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- Ciaran [~mirc@host217-44-249-2.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- xt [xt@hash.bang.slash.bin.slash.bash.no] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- jp31173 [~chatzilla@ool-18e400e7.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- nick3_ [~test@r70h60.res.gatech.edu] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- Toad [nobody@h0030bd91835f.ne.client2.attbi.com] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- mikeDOTd [~mikedotd@plutonium.nexthop.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F314A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- LadyNikon [nikon@judecca.aculei.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- sec [~sec@43.Red-80-33-78.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- normalperson [normalpers@102.188.150.66.client.la-2.losangeles.nuclearfallout.net] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:46 -!- johnny007 [~johnny@chic.sharpbang.de] has quit [sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 17:47 < courtc> AHH! 17:47 < fre_ber> wtf? 17:47 < fre_ber> Server went down? 17:48 < leachbj> just irc action ;) 17:48 < fre_ber> Lol 17:48 < courtc> hah 17:48 < courtc> 36 - 8 17:54 * veteran cackles "victory" 17:56 < courtc> leachbj, have you done much thumb/arm code comparison? 17:57 -!- uglymanAtWork [~uglyman@evrtwa1-ar5-4-65-003-082.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F314A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- macPod [~macPod@pcp07276932pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- Ciaran [~mirc@host217-44-249-2.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- JonesH [~chatzilla@h60n1fls31o1118.telia.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- xemile [~emil@h81172212116.kund.kommunicera.umea.se] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- Toad [nobody@h0030bd91835f.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- nilss [nils@2001:6f8:1226:1:0:0:d95d:3544] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- xt [xt@hash.bang.slash.bin.slash.bash.no] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- jp31173 [~chatzilla@ool-18e400e7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- Synapse- [~bagheera@c211-30-75-190.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- bonzi [~bonzi52@S01060004e29cb034.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- KuRcZ [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- loofus [~loofus@CPE000f6690f959-CM0011aec4f2ec.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- coob [pen0r@82-44-227-205.cable.ubr11.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- usv_ [~jpaalija@asuka.tky.hut.fi] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- RichiH [richih@richih.staff.freenode] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- alexander [~alexander@alexander.developer.gentoo] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- Exion [~jon@airplane1.suphammer.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- princeofdarkness [~danalien@h211n1fls29o1061.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- nick3_ [~test@r70h60.res.gatech.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- LadyNikon [nikon@judecca.aculei.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- dollar [godfather@pwns.co.uk] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- sec [~sec@43.Red-80-33-78.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- normalperson [normalpers@102.188.150.66.client.la-2.losangeles.nuclearfallout.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- mikeDOTd [~mikedotd@plutonium.nexthop.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- johnny007 [~johnny@chic.sharpbang.de] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v macPod ] by irc.freenode.net 17:57 < leachbj> courtc: what do you mean comparison? 17:57 < courtc> whats up losers? ;) 17:57 < normalperson> bah, going to work 17:57 < normalperson> later all 17:57 -!- mikegrb [~michael@thegrebs.com] has joined #ipodlinux 17:57 < Ciaran> See ya. 17:57 < Ciaran> Heya, Mike. I know you from somewhere. ;) 17:58 < mikegrb> Ciaran: xbox linux? 17:58 < mikegrb> linode? 17:58 < Ciaran> Nope. The Linode IRC channel. 17:58 < Ciaran> Yeah. 17:58 < mikegrb> :D 17:58 < mikegrb> I always have to go down the list of nicks when I join a new channel ;) 17:58 < mikegrb> I've been in a channel with LadyNikon too 17:58 < mikegrb> I think you are the only two 17:58 < Ciaran> Ah. 17:58 < Ciaran> Didn't know you were interested in Linux for iPods too, heh. Unfortunately I have a 4G iPod which isn't supported yet. 17:58 < mikegrb> Adam Curry talked about ipod linux on one of his podcasts 17:58 < Ciaran> Ah. 17:58 < mikegrb> 12/28 17:58 < Ciaran> I assume it's not your first time here? 17:58 < Ciaran> I don't know, I'm fairly new to the channel myself. 17:58 < Ciaran> Only started popping in a few days ago. 17:58 -!- princeofdarkness is now known as danalien 17:58 < mikegrb> it is my first time here 17:58 -!- jp31173 [~chatzilla@ool-18e400e7.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"] 17:58 < Ciaran> Ah, cool. 17:58 < Ciaran> Welcome, then. :D 17:58 < mikegrb> THE SKY! 17:58 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v veteran ] by ChanServ 17:58 < courtc> leachbj, I dunno.. 17:59 * veteran flips through flite documentation 17:59 < veteran> do you think text2speech would be more usable now that the hdd access is faster? 18:00 < Ciaran> Hmm. I need to go for a bit... brb. 18:00 < leachbj> it was okay before... just made the podzilla binary huge 18:00 -!- Ciaran [~mirc@host217-44-249-2.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 18:01 < courtc> Any sort of speed up? 18:03 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F314A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:03 < courtc> One way or the other? 18:05 < courtc> and how huge? 5M huge or 20M huge? 18:09 < courtc> Wow I have a million questions on that subject.. 18:10 < courtc> leachbj --brain-dump /dev/thumb 18:14 < leachbj> courtc: ummm its supposed to make smaller code..? but I havent experimented at all with it. 18:16 < leachbj> has anyone tried out the vcard patch from Phyntos? 18:16 < courtc> smaller? I thought the binary would be bigger.. Just 16bit code rather than 32bit? Supposedly its really fast for 16bit memory access 18:17 < leachbj> not sure, I dont think there is any thumb in the apple firmware. 18:17 < leachbj> dwelch did some experimentation... 18:18 < courtc> yea, I saw that a while ago.. IIRC it was for the mad mp3player? 18:19 -!- Thijs [~mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 18:19 < Thijs> goodevening! 18:19 < courtc> hi Thijs 18:20 < Thijs> hi courtc 18:20 < fre_ber> Evening 18:20 < Thijs> and fre_ber 18:20 < Thijs> i see leachbj is also back in the running 18:24 < Thijs> whmm 18:24 < Thijs> or i was wrong :( 18:24 < leachbj> dinner time 18:25 < leachbj> did you experiment with that piezo code? 18:25 < Thijs> ah.. ur right.. in germany they do dinner very late 18:25 < courtc> Aww.. and i thought he was caught up coding.. ;) 18:25 < Thijs> leachbj: yes... i did experiment.. also with serial code but no luck... 18:25 < Thijs> i have now the arm compiler installed 18:25 < Thijs> with samba 18:26 < Thijs> so i can make my own c firmware 18:26 < Thijs> easier than putting bin files online :) 18:26 < Thijs> so if u are done with dinner, we can give it another try 18:29 < macPod> courtc you are the one who changed the menus from 5 to 6 right? 18:30 -!- JonesH [~chatzilla@h60n1fls31o1118.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:30 < courtc> why? if somethings broken its not my fault... :/ 18:30 < Thijs> lol 18:30 < macPod> oh but it is 18:30 < macPod> if I go into a menu 18:30 < macPod> and then come back to the main menu, the sub menu title still remains 18:31 < courtc> that has been there forever.. you are the third person to notice that.. 18:31 < courtc> I didnt cause that... 18:31 < macPod> :P 18:31 < leachbj> but that doesn't mean we can't blame it one you 18:31 < courtc> Even leachbj tried to blame it on me when he was usinga an old binary.. 18:33 < leachbj> i'm still suffering from post-holidays disorentation ;) 18:34 < macPod> jsut making sure you were aware 18:34 < macPod> heh 18:34 < macPod> and leach I have a podzilla diff for you 18:34 < macPod> from the current cvs that allows it to compile for non linux platforms 18:34 < macPod> who can I send that to for a cvs commit 18:34 < macPod> heh, but i assure you this is a simple patch, just some ifdef stuf 18:35 -!- skm [DTS@dialup-137.95.221.203.acc50-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 18:35 < skm> hi 18:35 < fre_ber> Heh, by non-linux, you mean mac? 18:35 < skm> how do i boot the linux 18:35 < skm> after i reboot the ipod then what 18:35 < macPod> how did you install ipodlinux? 18:36 < skm> with windows installer 18:36 < macPod> did you check the box called "make windows default os"? 18:36 < courtc> Yea, the 5>6 patch contained 5 lines.. I changed 2 5s to 4s, 2 5s to 6s, and 1 4 to a 5 18:36 < skm> i clicked make apple firmware default 18:36 < macPod> reboot your ipod and as it boots hold down the rewind button 18:37 < skm> thx 18:37 < courtc> macPod, you can mail it to patches@ipodlinux.org once veteran sets it up ;) 18:37 < macPod> heh 18:38 < macPod> I've been dying to get this patch up since the 23rd 18:38 < courtc> but I'm sure leachbj wants to look at it.. 18:38 < macPod> ya :P 18:38 < macPod> To make sure I am not hazing the code. Right veteran? :) 18:39 < skm> whats button debounce 18:39 < skm> n also, i get 'malloc failed' when i try play mp3s.. whats thaT 18:40 < courtc> Its how much your button bounces when you press it :D 18:40 < skm> what u mean by bounces 18:41 < courtc> malloc failed is a fancy way of saying "cant allocated enough contiguis space" or maybe its the simple way to say that.. :/ 18:41 < skm> and theres no way to fix that? 18:42 < courtc> not by pressing the button over and over... :p 18:42 < skm> lol 18:42 < skm> so thats a no? 18:43 < courtc> right now there are afew problems with malloc and the mp3 player.. they'll get worked out soon enough 18:43 < skm> ahhk kewl kewl 18:43 -!- xemile [~emil@h81172212116.kund.kommunicera.umea.se] has quit [] 18:46 < courtc> ooh do macs have backspace? 18:46 < Thijs> lol 18:47 < skm> LOL 18:47 < Thijs> they just dont have a delete button 18:47 < Thijs> u need to shift backspace for a delete 18:48 < courtc> that quote is a gem.. 18:50 < BleuLlama> skm: button debouncing: when you press a button, the signal isn't completely clean. at the moment of contact (or release) there might be a bunch of ons and offs, depending on how clean the contacts are 18:50 < BleuLlama> button debouncing is usually done by only checking the button at a certain interval to prevent all of those micropresses as individual presses. 18:50 < BleuLlama> or, it can be used to hold focus (if you will) until the button is released by the user 18:51 < skm> ahhk 18:51 < BleuLlama> sometimes, it's done in hardware with a capacitor or somesuch. 18:52 < Thijs> hmm strange.. i just added a link to the ipod mini multi purpose flash memory, but its says its a 39WF800A. At the ipod photo ive added 39VF800A :) 18:52 < courtc> BleuLlama, hah. I was gonna skirt around the answer for as long as possible.. Its just to much to explain... 18:52 < Thijs> i guess they will be the same, so a typo is made 18:52 < Thijs> but what one is wrong 18:52 < BleuLlama> heh, courtc 18:52 < BleuLlama> sorry for bursting your bubble. 18:53 < courtc> BleuLlama, naw, as long as I dont have to answer it.. :) 18:54 < BleuLlama> hehe. fair enough 18:54 < courtc> way to screw up the wiki coob.. no more cookies for you.. ;) 18:55 -!- skm\ [DTS@dialup-246.83.221.203.acc52-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 18:58 < Thijs> brb 19:03 < veteran> somebody is having with the upload feature ;) 19:03 < veteran> fun* 19:03 < fre_ber> That's my thought, exactly... ;) 19:04 < veteran> so eh what should we do for the WIKI's 100k visit party 19:04 < courtc> I was just looking at that... 19:04 < fre_ber> Is it close? 19:05 < courtc> 93356 19:05 < fre_ber> Aha... Quickly, organise something. :) 19:05 < veteran> -mumbles- just a few more refershes away... 19:05 < fre_ber> lol 19:05 * veteran 's finger is getting sore 19:06 < courtc> haha 19:06 < veteran> i was looking at the webalizer stats the other day 19:06 < veteran> i've visited it 3000 times 19:07 < courtc> wow.. 19:08 < veteran> actually no 19:08 < veteran> 5400 0.0 19:09 < fre_ber> Eeek 19:09 < veteran> anyone here telsus.net? 19:09 < courtc> maybe peterburk is, hes insane on the forums.. 19:09 < veteran> 10,000 views for them 19:10 < veteran> and astra-net's proxy ranks first with 53,000 19:10 < courtc> I'm asm.bellsouth.net, I'm probably up there.. 19:12 < courtc> I dunno about 5400 though.. :/ 19:12 < veteran> haha take a guess 19:13 < courtc> 1? 19:13 < courtc> 120? 19:13 < veteran> multiply that by 6100 19:13 < veteran> er, not 120 haha 19:13 < courtc> shiet.. 19:14 * veteran checks his bandwidth bill 19:14 -!- skm [DTS@dialup-137.95.221.203.acc50-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:14 < fre_ber> lol 19:15 < veteran> hahah! 19:15 < veteran> courtc's january hits are slightly under 1000 19:15 < veteran> that's... three days? 19:16 < fre_ber> That's what you get, staying up all night.. 19:16 < fre_ber> and day 19:16 < veteran> yep :D 19:16 < veteran> i sold my laptop =( 19:16 < veteran> only machine running linux now is my mythtv box which barely works 19:16 < courtc> crap, I'm going out to get a job.. later 19:16 < veteran> good plan, later courtc 19:19 < veteran> heh the attachment mod only works for subsilver 19:20 < veteran> any theme hackers need a project? ;) 19:23 < courtc> wha? I'm meant I was going to go get a job later... Not that i was going and saying 'later'.. What do you take me for? Someone who doesnt procrastinate? 19:24 -!- dennizzz [~sfdnsf@g111175.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #ipodlinux 19:25 < courtc> :D 19:25 < dennizzz> hello all :) 19:26 < courtc> he dennizzz 19:26 * Thijs is back 19:26 < veteran> haha courtc 19:27 < Thijs> hey denizzz 19:27 < Thijs> +n 19:29 < veteran> hi dennizzz 19:29 < macPod> there must be collective thinking going on with this project 19:29 < veteran> ... cmon say it macPod 19:30 < macPod> whenever I have a person report a problme 19:30 < Thijs> collective.. collecting money for a 4g ? :) 19:30 < macPod> I get about 5 more emails in a short amount of time that ask the same question 19:30 < macPod> but the question is new or had not been asked before 19:31 < Thijs> u mean about collective ? 19:31 < macPod> collective thinking 19:31 < fre_ber> Hive mind... 19:31 < macPod> yea 19:32 < macPod> except these people have no relation to each other. 19:32 < fre_ber> We are soon synchronized, then we take over. 19:33 < courtc> macPod, do you have an idea? or are you just daydreaming? 19:33 < Thijs> :) 19:33 < fre_ber> Ah, you are talking about the questions? Same question from everybody, at the same time? I'm a bit slow.. 19:33 < macPod> not an idea, not daydreaming, just making an observation 19:33 < macPod> yea 19:34 -!- zaphod [~zaphod@cpe-66-8-131-194.hawaii.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 19:34 < coob> macPod: did you do those patches? 19:34 < macPod> waiting for the patch mailserver to go up 19:34 < Thijs> and welcome coob 19:34 < macPod> coob can you accept dcc? 19:34 < macPod> I'll just dcc you everything 19:35 < BleuLlama> is there a document somewhere that explains the podzilla software design/architecture? 19:35 < macPod> nope 19:35 < macPod> thre is none really, it's a mess :) 19:35 < BleuLlama> how about design diagrams, or sketches or somesuch? 19:35 < macPod> nope 19:35 < BleuLlama> ok 19:35 < macPod> I'm actually working on that however 19:36 < zaphod> anyone know about screen brightness on a 3g ipod? 19:36 < macPod> I've drawn out menus and stuff and have been observing duplicate behavior 19:36 < fre_ber> I have some UML of Steroids.. ;) 19:36 < macPod> from that I am trying to make modules 19:36 < fre_ber> Not up to date though. 19:36 < BleuLlama> macPod: are the games compiled into podzilla, or are they vfork()ed off? 19:36 < macPod> the menu module and the text scroll module are the first things i'll make 19:37 < macPod> they are compiled in 19:37 < BleuLlama> ok. oh, right, so that music can continue playing in the background? 19:37 < macPod> the final goal of the gui is to have them vforked or modules 19:37 < zaphod> i just booted ipod into linux but screen is too dark to see.... 19:37 < BleuLlama> sure. 19:37 < macPod> no, it's more jsut because it is a bad design :) 19:37 < macPod> a proof of concept 19:37 < courtc> zaphod, two clicks to the right, action, one click to the right, action, adjust counter-clockwise 19:37 < BleuLlama> ah. heh 19:38 < macPod> courtc is good at cracking safes 19:38 < BleuLlama> well, it worked. got people interested in the project, got notice on /., etc... I'd say it worked well. ;) 19:38 < courtc> :D 19:38 < macPod> yup 19:38 < BleuLlama> :) 19:39 -!- dennizzz [~sfdnsf@g111175.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #ipodlinux [] 19:39 < zaphod> thanks! 19:39 < coob> yeah macPod i can accept dcc 19:39 < courtc> :) 19:40 < coob> gah who's Littlenicky? made the iPod Mini look bigger on the Generations page 19:40 < coob> fixed. 19:40 < macPod> coob what is your connection? 19:40 < macPod> it is 18mb 19:40 < coob> 2mbit cable 19:40 < coob> what's your up? 19:41 < macPod> wifi 19:41 -!- jp31173 [~chatzilla@ool-18e400e7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:41 < coob> wifi with what on the end? 19:41 < macPod> please no comments veteran :P 19:41 < macPod> it's a cable modem 19:41 < coob> ah ok 19:42 < coob> 43.59kB/s 19:42 < coob> not bad 19:42 < coob> heh 19:42 < coob> is that all the libs compiled up? 19:42 < macPod> all compiled 19:42 < macPod> everything, microwindows, podzilla, etc 19:42 < coob> lol i've got them all sorted apart from libitunesdb heh 19:42 < macPod> for both the iPod and x11 19:43 < courtc> macPod, dont worry about modules for now.. use vfork+exec 19:43 < macPod> yea.. but for later, modules would be good 19:43 < macPod> and courtc could you send me your compiled microwindows dir for the iPod? 19:43 < macPod> for one reason or another the jpeg code does not work for me 19:44 < macPod> I would like to find out why 19:44 < courtc> when they are supported by uclinux :/ 19:44 < macPod> I mean all image browsing for the ipod 19:44 < courtc> macPod, you want the jpeg code? or the microwin 19:44 < macPod> it does not work for me 19:44 < macPod> microwindows 19:44 < courtc> ok.. 19:45 < BleuLlama> does the image viewing on the iPod (gen 3 anyway) support 2 bit gray, or just 1 bit gray? 19:46 < macPod> 2 19:46 < BleuLlama> excellent 19:46 < macPod> as does the 2 and 1 g ipod 19:46 < courtc> macPod, it has fonts so it'll be pretty big 19:46 < macPod> 4 colors 19:46 < macPod> o gray 19:46 < macPod> that's fine 19:46 < BleuLlama> ok. wasn't sure about 1g and 2g. 19:46 < macPod> coob what's the stats? 19:46 < BleuLlama> i was talking tech specs about the iPod with my friend, and he was talking only about 3g, so i didn't know about 1 and 2 19:47 < coob> 9:47] «DCC» | macPod GET: 14MB of 18MB (75%) - 43.74kB/s - ETA 19:47 < coob> 00:01:46 - ipodgui.zip 19:48 < macPod> \accept 19:48 < macPod> lol 19:49 < coob> done 19:49 < macPod> cool 19:51 < veteran> _ipodstats who runs that again? (forgot) 19:51 < leachbj> dpalffy 19:51 < veteran> would searchable chat transcripts on website be nice? 19:52 < coob> does google not index them? heh 19:52 < fre_ber> leachbj: I have been having problems with setjmp on the iPod, could you tell me is this might be an issue for me? http://www.uclibc.org/lists/uclibc/2002-April/003118.html 19:52 < veteran> doesnt index irc 19:53 < coob> veteran: nah i meant did it index http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ 19:53 < fre_ber> As far as I can tell, the uClibc has both HAVLE_FLOAT and HAVE_SOFT_FLOAT set. About the kernel, I can't tell. 19:53 < coob> it doesn;t. 19:54 < veteran> coob er wow didnt know that site existed o.0 19:55 < veteran> any other secrets you guys wanna let me in on? ;) 19:55 < coob> couldlol 19:55 < macPod> I haven't brushed my teeth in three days and nobody has said a thing. 19:55 < macPod> thanks courtc 19:55 < coob> macPod: they're just being polite 19:55 < veteran> hahah..... 19:56 < macPod> that had to be the oddest thing I've seen on family guy 19:56 < coob> family guy rocks 19:56 < BleuLlama> new episodes in June 19:56 < coob> :D 19:56 < BleuLlama> (on adult swim/cartoon network anyway) 19:56 < coob> he's got another new show too 19:57 < coob> (Seth McFarlane) 19:57 < coob> BleuLlama: nah they're on fox I think 19:57 < macPod> noo! 19:57 < coob> the new ones 19:57 < BleuLlama> well, cartoon network is airing Adult Swim bumps showing when new shows will be premiering, and they had that listed for June 19:58 < coob> hm 19:58 < coob> perhaps they'll be out earlier on fox then? 19:58 < veteran> family guy > 0 whatever that means 19:58 < coob> greater than nothing? 19:58 < coob> you mean family guy > * :) 19:59 < coob> Family Guy Production Progress 19:59 < coob> Monday, January 3, 2005 19:59 < coob> We just received an update on the production progress of our favorite show. It seems to be coming along quite nicely with 20 scripts written and 14 animatics completed. The Family Guy staff is shooting for an air date of May of this year. 20:03 < courtc> man indexing the logs would rock 20:03 * veteran is nervous 20:04 < courtc> um I meant 'man,' <- with a comma 20:04 < veteran> hahaha 20:04 < veteran> you have to be careful what you say in this channel 20:07 < courtc> leachbj is trying to figure out how we found his secret way to keep us all in check ;) 20:07 -!- Delirious [~what@adsl-64-175-241-177.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:07 < Delirious> i installed ipodlinux fine, but it can't play any of my mp3s 20:07 < Delirious> gives me the message : cannot open mp3 20:07 < courtc> Delirious, thats a relative/absolute path issue... 20:08 < courtc> what os are you using? 20:09 < coob> Delirious: do they play if you browse to them with the file browser and select them? 20:09 < Delirious> coob: let me track that 20:09 < Delirious> courtc: how can I check? 20:09 < courtc> how can you check what os you are using? 20:09 < Delirious> on my ipod, yeah 20:10 < courtc> You are in windows... 20:10 < fre_ber> rofl 20:10 < Delirious> Ohhh I thought you meant kernel version 20:10 < Delirious> on my ipod 20:10 < coob> erk 20:11 < coob> macpod even using your libitunes port i still have problems loading the itunesdb :< 20:11 < macPod> I never said that part worked 20:11 < courtc> coob, same uglyness? 20:11 < coob> qlol 20:11 < macPod> havent tested it 20:11 < coob> leme try your podzilla 20:11 < Delirious> coob 20:11 < BleuLlama> I assure you that this works 100% 20:11 < BleuLlama> see? you said it! 20:11 < Delirious> how can I navigate to my mp3s in linux? 20:11 < BleuLlama> ;) 20:11 < macPod> what? 20:11 < Delirious> what directory are they in? 20:12 < coob> Delirious: they're in /iPod_Control/Music/FXX/blah.mp3 20:12 < Delirious> thanks 20:12 < veteran> haha coob 20:12 * veteran tries to think of things macPod _hasn't_ said 20:12 < macPod> heh 20:12 < Delirious> coob: okay, it works with the filebrowser. 20:13 < Delirious> but not in podzilla's default music menu thing 20:13 < courtc> Delirious, do you know how to update podzilla manually? 20:14 < Delirious> courtc: i'm in windows. can i do that? 20:15 * veteran smells a WIKI page 20:16 < courtc> read http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=222 and use http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/podzilla 20:16 < veteran> July 1st, wow bravo 20:17 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has joined #ipodlinux 20:17 < courtc> Actually Jun 30, thank you.. 20:18 < courtc> this has to be a record.. 38 people.. :) 20:19 < veteran> wow 20:20 < Delirious> courtc: i downloaded the podzilla file 20:20 < Delirious> do i just open up the installer? 20:20 < fre_ber> No, read the posts in that thread. 20:20 < courtc> and you read the link? I dont think you did.. ;) 20:20 < Delirious> yeah i did 20:20 < Delirious> but i'm on windows 20:20 < courtc> reread.. 20:20 < Delirious> i don't know how to execute shell scripts 20:21 < Delirious> how do i make the shell script? 20:21 < fre_ber> Notepad 20:21 < Delirious> ohhh 20:21 < Delirious> wait 20:21 < Delirious> so I have to open up the userland image 20:21 < Delirious> and replace podzilla? 20:21 < fre_ber> Eeek? 20:21 < Delirious> it's just I have no idea how to do that 20:22 < macPod> that's cool courtc, it worked 20:23 < fre_ber> To quote a famous writer: "Reread" 20:23 < macPod> so my issue must be.. microwindows.. 20:23 < courtc> macPod, cool.. 20:24 < veteran> Delirious - create a text file named "start" in your ipod's root directory 20:24 < Delirious> ahh 20:24 < courtc> Delirious, its also in this thread http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=580 20:24 < Delirious> thank you 20:24 < Delirious> now i understand 20:25 < courtc> ok. who is writing the wiki page? 20:25 < fre_ber> Ok, I can do it. 20:26 * Delirious crosses his fingers 20:26 < courtc> haha veteran just adds it to wanted.. 20:26 < Delirious> and hopes this works 20:26 < coob> macPod/anyone: can they get podzilla to read http://booc.coob.org/iTunesDB 20:26 < coob> ? 20:26 < Delirious> courtc: can I use this technique to update podzilla in the future? 20:26 < coob> macPod/anyone: can they get podzilla to read http://booc.coob.org/iTunesDB.gz 20:26 < courtc> Delirious, yup 20:27 < macPod> you mean podzilla for x11 or ipod? 20:27 < Delirious> courtc: is pretty much the only thing i'll ever want to update podzilla? 20:27 < macPod> ipod it'll work 20:27 < macPod> not for x11 20:27 < macPod> ... yet 20:27 < Delirious> uh 20:27 < Delirious> no good 20:27 < Delirious> i don't think 20:27 < coob> macPod: ok heh 20:27 < Delirious> booting doesn't do anything after this line 20:27 < coob> macPod: /last pdf 20:27 < coob> er 20:27 < coob> macPod: http://booc.coob.org/podzillautf.pdf thhats what i get 20:27 < Delirious> ipod_1394: sid: tsb43aa82.c,v 1.5 2004/05/17 18:22:13 leachbj Exp $ 20:28 < fre_ber> Is the start script used in all installs, or is this just a Windows thing? 20:28 < macPod> wow, that is different 20:29 < macPod> where do you have that itunesdb located? 20:29 < macPod> /iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB? 20:29 < courtc> fre_ber, purely windows 20:29 < coob> ok that was when i was testing it this morning, i just pointed to read it from my mounted ipod 20:29 < fre_ber> I thought so. 20:30 < coob> i get the same issue with yours when i copied it into the dir podzilla was running from 20:30 < courtc> Delirious, unplug you ipod from your computer? 20:30 < courtc> then restart it.. 20:31 -!- Wammy| [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:31 < courtc> coob, that iTunesDB parses fine for me.. 20:32 < Delirious> courtc: this didn't fix my problem 20:32 < macPod> coob where are you putting the db file? 20:32 < Delirious> i still get "Cannot open mp3" 20:32 < coob> macPod: using the podzilla you just sent me, in the dir that i run podzilla from (the podzilla dir) 20:32 < courtc> Delirious, which podzilla did you use? 20:33 < Delirious> courtc: the one to which you linked me 20:33 < courtc> http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/podzilla ? 20:33 < Delirious> yeah 20:33 < Delirious> c:\wget http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/podzilla 20:33 < Delirious> yeah 20:34 < courtc> then it didnt get copied over properly.. you probably named the file 'start.txt' or something rather than just 'start' 20:35 < Delirious> nope 20:35 < Delirious> i named it start 20:35 < Delirious> not only that 20:35 < Delirious> i saw it get copied over 20:35 < Delirious> when the firmware booted 20:35 < Delirious> i saw it execute the script 20:35 < coob> macPod: does that iTunesDB parse for you under OS X? 20:35 < veteran> make sure paths are correct 20:35 < veteran> cp /hp/podzilla /sbin/podzilla 20:35 < courtc> Delirious, well then you must be lying.. ;) 20:35 < macPod> trying mine now 20:36 < Delirious> courtc: why? 20:36 < Delirious> i know the new podzilla was installed because now my menu has more features 20:36 < veteran> because he's an op, the server tells them when someone lies 20:36 < Delirious> i can reboot the ipod for example 20:36 < Delirious> and i can see the "about" 20:36 < Delirious> couldn't do that before 20:37 < veteran> oh. maybe i should scroll up. 20:37 < veteran> almost forty people... 20:37 < courtc> almost... 20:37 < Delirious> anybody have any ideas? 20:37 < macPod> coob if I put the iTunesDB in the directory podzilla nothing happens 20:38 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:38 < coob> does it read? 20:38 < coob> when you go to Music->Playlists 20:38 < macPod> I try to go into the artist submenu and then the title of podzilla changes from music to Podzilla 20:38 < Delirious> no 20:39 < Delirious> all my playlists are gone 20:39 < Delirious> wait 20:39 < Delirious> nevermind 20:39 < Delirious> on the last firmware 20:39 < coob> weird. 20:39 < Delirious> all my playlists were gone 20:39 < Delirious> now they're fine 20:39 < macPod> coob are you using your iTunesDB? 20:39 < Delirious> it OPENS the file 20:39 < coob> yeah 20:39 < Delirious> and says BUFFERING 20:39 < macPod> or the one I sent you? 20:39 < Delirious> and then after a sec, it says "cannot open mp3" 20:39 < coob> ? you sent me an iTunesDB? 20:40 < coob> or do you mean libitunesdb 20:40 < macPod> yea 20:40 < coob> because i get the same issue with both 20:40 < macPod> libitunesdb 20:40 < coob> both mine and yours 20:40 < macPod> really? 20:40 < coob> yeah 20:40 < macPod> and where are you putting your db again? in the podzilla build dir? 20:41 < coob> yes 20:41 < coob> otherwise it wouldn't read it 20:41 < macPod> I find it bizzare we have the same setup and code yet different results are occuring 20:42 < coob> maybe it's something g3/g4 specific? 20:42 < macPod> did you modify any of the code? 20:42 < coob> i'm ona g3 btw 20:42 < macPod> change the path perhapse? 20:42 < coob> nope 20:42 < macPod> processor will not affect 20:42 < coob> i was gunna 20:42 < coob> but didn't 20:42 < coob> i've not recompiled it 20:42 < coob> though i'll try that 20:43 < courtc> hey leachbj, finished with dinner? 20:43 * Delirious help? 20:43 < Thijs> courtc: dont know... hes acting very busy... 20:44 < courtc> i think acting is the key word.. ;) 20:45 < macPod> hey good news I foudn the itunesdb diff 20:45 -!- Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm207-12-170-65.buckeye-express.com] has quit ["*** Swish changes topic to '"I never pirated it....it was donated. by the file fairy. I put a blank CD under my pillow..."'] 20:46 < courtc> Delirious, I dont know what the problem is.. I'm trying to finger it out.. 20:46 < courtc> just have some patience.. :) 20:46 < Delirious> oh, okay, thanks. just let me know if you want me to try anything 20:47 < leachbj> courtc: sorta 20:50 < macPod> got ti working coob 20:50 < macPod> how are you executing it> 20:50 < macPod> if I do open podzilla it will not work 20:50 < leachbj> courtc: what do you mean I'm _trying_ to figure out ;) 20:50 < macPod> but.. if I do exec podzilla in x11 it does 20:51 < macPod> coob some work is going to have to be done in order to get that part working :9 20:52 < macPod> in libitunes 20:52 < macPod> bleh 20:52 -!- evergreen [~evergreen@p213.54.157.172.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ipodlinux 20:53 -!- evergreen [~evergreen@p213.54.157.172.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ipodlinux [] 20:54 < leachbj> is it possible to rename images in the wiki? 20:54 < KuRcZ> no clue 20:54 < KuRcZ> hey leach 20:55 < Delirious> is it possible to enter commands in the console with the scroll wheel? 20:55 < KuRcZ> not yet 20:55 < Delirious> besides WMDF 20:55 < macPod> you can with sash 20:55 < Delirious> and l and r 20:55 < Delirious> sash? 20:55 < Delirious> do you recommend I use sash? 20:55 < macPod> but I'm not sure why you would want to 20:55 < macPod> why do you need to enter in commands? 20:56 < Delirious> for fun 20:56 < Delirious> you can't put the ipod on sleep either can you? 20:58 < courtc> leachbj, I really dont know what the problem is :/ The mp3s are obviously not found... 20:59 < leachbj> I meant to check with a cd /tmp ; podzilla... 20:59 < KuRcZ> so leachgj: did you get enough $$ yet for a 4G? 20:59 < Delirious> do you guys think I should just post in the forum instead? 20:59 < leachbj> KuRcZ: yeah, but still haven't got the hardware... been on holidays till yesterday 21:00 < KuRcZ> ohhh, good stuff 21:00 < courtc> Delirious, all the people who could answer your question in the forum are in here.. 21:00 -!- evergreen [~evergreen@p213.54.157.172.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ipodlinux 21:00 < Delirious> :/ 21:01 < KuRcZ> lol 21:01 < Delirious> should i try to update my kernel? 21:01 -!- evergreen [~evergreen@p213.54.157.172.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ipodlinux [] 21:01 < fre_ber> Delirious: Didn't the Windows installer do that for you? 21:02 < courtc> Delirious, what kernel do you have on there? Its in the about page.. 21:02 < Delirious> let me check 21:02 * Delirious boots back into lin 21:03 < Delirious> also 21:03 < Delirious> should i delete the old "start" script? 21:03 < Delirious> podzilla v0.1 21:04 < Delirious> 2.4.24-ipod1 #23 sat nov 6 21:04 < Delirious> 17:47:35 gmt 2004 21:04 < Delirious> win pod gen 3 rev 30001 21:04 < fre_ber> Yes, you can delete the start script after you have booted linux once. 21:04 < Delirious> okay 21:04 < courtc> Delirious, that kernel *is* fiendishly old.. 21:04 < fre_ber> Hmm, you have an old kernel, by the looks of it. 21:04 < Delirious> how can I update? 21:05 < KuRcZ> i got suse 9.2 pro 21:05 < KuRcZ> i jsut burnt it 21:05 < fre_ber> Delirious: Click the "check for upgrades" in the Windows installer. 21:05 < Delirious> i need to be booted into windows, right? 21:05 < fre_ber> Yes. 21:05 < fre_ber> Err.. Apple, that is.. 21:05 < Delirious> err 21:05 < Delirious> yes 21:06 < Delirious> wtf? 21:07 < Delirious> update installation-> Error! You have to reboot your ipod into Linux before updating again! 21:07 < fre_ber> You have to remove the start script. 21:07 < Delirious> i did 21:07 < Delirious> now it works 21:08 < Delirious> i'm getting the 12-18 kernel 21:08 < fre_ber> Hmm, then I don't know, usually that is enough... :| 21:08 < fre_ber> The Windows installer is, as far as I know the _only_ way to install a kernel from Windows. 21:08 < Delirious> um, fuck 21:09 < Delirious> the installer crashed 21:09 < Delirious> while updating the kernel 21:09 < fre_ber> You can always uninstall and re-install. I had to do that a couple of times... 21:09 < Delirious> maybe not crashed, but it's a white widget now 21:09 < fre_ber> Eh? 21:09 * Delirious hates windows 21:09 < Delirious> but I don't know enough about linux to launch into it yet 21:10 < Delirious> okay 21:10 < Delirious> after two bars 21:10 < Delirious> of "downloading kernel update" 21:10 < Delirious> two progress bars 21:10 < Delirious> it stops. 21:11 < Delirious> stops responding. 21:11 * Delirious bangs head against kb 21:11 < BleuLlama> try submerging it in water. 21:11 < fre_ber> Darn, I should have asked you to that screenshots at every step... 21:11 < BleuLlama> ;) 21:11 < Delirious> is there any other way of kernel updating? 21:11 * Delirious cries 21:12 < Delirious> wtf? and every time i do that... 21:12 < Delirious> start re-appears 21:12 < Delirious> now that makes no sense 21:12 < courtc> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=816 .. respond.. 21:12 < fre_ber> Not in Windows, restart it and install without updating, it has hopefully managed to download the new kernel. 21:13 < Delirious> restart ipod? 21:13 < veteran> courtc - uh... wingdings? 21:13 < fre_ber> About the screen shots - we need them for the Wiki, but I am not in a mood to re-install any time soon. 21:13 < Delirious> fre_ber: i restarted ipod 21:13 < courtc> veteran, fired.. you are no longer my font adviser 21:13 < Delirious> now just install? 21:13 < macPod> lol 21:13 < fre_ber> Delirious, yes. 21:14 < veteran> bah! i should look for a job ... later. 21:14 < courtc> haha 21:14 < fre_ber> You too? I'm sensing a trend... 21:15 < Delirious> huh 21:15 < Delirious> i hate 21:15 < Delirious> windows 21:15 < Delirious> it's not even recognizing my ipod now 21:15 < courtc> Wammy|, hire me.. I know how to use ssh.. 21:15 < courtc> :D 21:16 < courtc> I can replace veteran.. he knows nothing of fonts... 21:17 < macPod> heh 21:17 < veteran> =( i knew i should have taken Fonts 1 21:18 < veteran> http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=781 21:19 < macPod> courtc, include zapfino 21:19 < macPod> http://images.apple.com/macosx/whatyoucando/images/font_top09242001.gif 21:19 < macPod> it's a cursive font that changes according to what you are typing 21:20 < fre_ber> Veteran, yes I get that too, but the userland upgrade is only a new /etc/rc and podzilla. 21:20 < macPod> .. but to be serious, are you porting them or making your own by modeling off someone elses? 21:20 < Delirious> okay! 21:20 < Delirious> i finally updated the kernel 21:21 < fre_ber> Can you verify that it really is updated? 21:21 < Delirious> what are the advantages to using the new kernel? 21:21 < courtc> porting appropriatly licenced.. 21:21 < fre_ber> You will have to go through the podzilla installation again. 21:21 < Delirious> 2.4.24-ipod3 #62 sat dec 18 21:21 < fre_ber> Good. 21:21 < Delirious> you mean 21:21 < Delirious> the new podzilla? 21:21 < fre_ber> Yes. 21:21 < macPod> bitmatp? truetype? 21:22 < Delirious> why's that? 21:22 < courtc> macPod, read the post again ;) .pcf or .bdf 21:22 < fre_ber> Because the installer replaced yours with the old one, I think. 21:22 < Delirious> i don't think it did 21:22 < Delirious> but i'll try anyway 21:22 < Delirious> can you link me to the latest podzilla? 21:22 < fre_ber> ^ 21:23 < Delirious> c:\wget http://www.jbergler.mizer.net/ipodlinux/courtc/podzilla 21:23 < courtc> Delirious, does mp3 playback work? 21:23 < Delirious> is that the right one? 21:23 < Delirious> courtc: no, it does not. 21:23 < Delirious> it does in file browser mode 21:23 < Delirious> but not in the music -> artist -> whatever mode 21:23 < fre_ber> Download that one and try again. 21:23 < Delirious> cannot open mp3. 21:23 < Delirious> :( 21:24 < courtc> Well try that one again.. 21:24 < Delirious> okay 21:24 -!- evergreen [~evergreen@p213.54.157.172.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ipodlinux 21:24 -!- evergreen [~evergreen@p213.54.157.172.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:24 < Delirious> what should the start script say? 21:25 < fre_ber> courtc: Would that absolute path thing even be a problem when starting podzilla from /etc/rc? cwd would be / for that, would it not? 21:25 < fre_ber> Delirious: http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Updating_podzilla 21:25 < Delirious> can I add 21:25 < Delirious> rm /hp/start 21:25 < Delirious> at the end? 21:26 < courtc> fre_ber, yea, one would think so... 21:26 < fre_ber> Delirious, look closer... 21:26 < Delirious> what do you mean, fre_ber? 21:26 < Delirious> oh 21:26 < Delirious> mv /hp/podzilla /sbin 21:26 < Delirious> rm /hp/start 21:26 < courtc> fre_ber, but I'm not sure what else could cause that error... 21:27 < fre_ber> But didn't you say that it was buffering, Delirious? And then failed? 21:27 < Delirious> yeah 21:27 < Delirious> sometimes 21:27 < fre_ber> I don't recall that I saw it buffering before failing. 21:28 < fre_ber> Maybe your mp3's are strange/unknown? 21:28 < courtc> relevent code follows(prepare for a minor flood): 21:28 < Delirious> i tried it on a wide variety of mp3s, AND they play just dandy when tried via the file browser 21:28 < fre_ber> Ok, that is strange.. 21:28 < courtc> pz_draw_header("Buffering..."); 21:28 < courtc> file = fopen(filename, "r"); 21:28 < courtc> if (file == 0) { pz_close_window(mp3_wid); 21:28 < courtc> close(mixer_fd); 21:28 < courtc> close(dsp_fd); 21:28 < courtc> 21:28 < courtc> new_message_window("Cannot open mp3"); 21:28 < courtc> return; 21:28 < courtc> } 21:28 < fre_ber> Ok, you win. 21:28 * veteran drowns 21:29 < fre_ber> lol 21:29 * Delirious lets out a cry of despair 21:30 < courtc> peterburk cant read :/ http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=816 21:31 < fre_ber> For that he has to implement type-1 support, right? 21:31 < Delirious> do you guys recommend i just not use ipodlinux and try back in a couple months? 21:31 < fre_ber> As punishment... 21:32 < fre_ber> Delirious: I don't think time will help... 21:32 < veteran> Delirious - post in the forums. 21:32 < veteran> even though the people who will be answering are all here 21:32 < veteran> it's easier to read and logically work through stuff in the forums 21:32 < veteran> one conversation is much easier to follow than 10 ;) 21:33 < leachbj> night all... 21:33 < fre_ber> Night. 21:33 < courtc> night leachbj.. 21:33 < macPod> night.. no patches today :P 21:33 < veteran> g'night leachbj 21:34 < veteran> dream of 4g firmware hex 21:34 < macPod> courtc I posted some links 21:34 < macPod> the directory for gimp fonts is good 21:34 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAA408.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 21:34 < macPod> has a bunch of standard fonts, etc 21:35 < macPod> like dingbats 21:35 < BleuLlama> you might want to look around for msdos bitmap fonts. there's oodles of them around, and they're dirt simple to work with 21:35 < BleuLlama> i have a few zips of a few hundred fonts at home if yer interested 21:36 < Delirious> well if anyone comes up with any insights please query me 21:36 < courtc> man I would shove a few words down peterburks throat for mentioning chicago if he were in here.. 21:36 < macPod> he posts in every single thread 21:36 < BleuLlama> for some examples: http://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Software/turacoCL/ scroll down to "Bank Packs"... 21:37 < courtc> I dont want 2000 fonts people.. just ~10 good ones.. I want fonts that you guys think are good. 21:37 < macPod> courtc we really need times new roman 21:37 < BleuLlama> http://www.cis.rit.edu/~jerry/Software/turacoCL/starters/#s8 21:37 < BleuLlama> check out from there down. those are my favorite of that style 21:37 < courtc> ok, from now on you can only recomment 2 fonts 21:38 < macPod> :) 21:38 < courtc> after that you are cut from the advisery board.. 21:38 < macPod> lol 21:38 < courtc> except for veteran.. he only got one.. 21:40 < BleuLlama> Palantino 21:41 < veteran> BleuLlama - nice site, they don't have to be fixed width though 21:41 < BleuLlama> ok. what type of fonts can the software handle? PS? TT? bitmapped? 21:42 < courtc> .pcf & .bdf 21:42 < BleuLlama> ok 21:44 < veteran> how simple is importing fonts, courtc 21:44 < BleuLlama> can fonts be changed live? 21:45 < courtc> .pcf can be directly used ... .bdf needs to be converted to .fnt 21:45 < fre_ber> Only with the right voltage. 21:45 < courtc> BleuLlama, yes 21:45 -!- KuroiShi [~KuroiShi@adsl-69-209-1-230.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ipodlinux 21:47 < macPod> courtc: http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/fonts/freefonts/ 21:47 < macPod> that gives pics of the gimp fonts I mentioned 21:48 < macPod> all those fonts are bdf fonts too 21:49 < courtc> ok, but that puts you at like 80 over your limit 21:50 < macPod> I'm not suggesting you implement all of them 21:50 < macPod> just found it a useful resource 21:52 < fre_ber> Ok, that's it, I'm off. Good night everybody! 21:52 < macPod> night 21:52 -!- fre_ber [~fre_ber@c-f15b70d5.034-221-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #iPodLinux [] 21:52 < courtc> g'night 21:52 < courtc> bah 21:54 < macPod> mm 21:54 < macPod> sans, tempo font, old town, muriel goudy, garamond, crillee, cooper, cheq baskerville 21:54 < macPod> now to narrow it down to 2 :) 21:57 < veteran> wow a braile font! 21:57 < macPod> yea 21:57 < courtc> yea, useful... 21:57 < veteran> that's easier than porting flite 21:57 < macPod> it was hard to refuse that one 21:57 < macPod> lol 21:57 < veteran> ;) 21:58 < KuroiShi> someone should hack an iPod and replace the screen with a braille terminal. 21:58 < macPod> you're going to hell for that one 21:58 < KuroiShi> hah! 22:00 < veteran> haha 22:04 < coob> macPod: hmm i was executing it with exec podzilla 22:04 < coob> er 22:04 < coob> ./podzilla rather 22:04 < coob> thought that makes no difference for me 22:04 < macPod> from x11 or from the terminal? 22:04 < coob> from an xterm 22:05 < macPod> yea, try using open podzilla 22:05 < macPod> in an xterm 22:05 < macPod> or in a regular terminal 22:05 < macPod> it launches but the itunesdb does not work however exec podzilla or ./podzilla makes it work 22:05 < coob> weird..... 22:05 < macPod> Or at least to the degree you see 22:05 < coob> oh 22:06 < coob> that's because open podzilla will set the cwd to something else 22:06 < coob> so it wont be able to find the iTunesDB file 22:06 < macPod> truedat 22:06 < macPod> to the home dir 22:06 < macPod> that makes sense 22:06 < coob> i had no problems opening hte file, libitunesdb just doesn't seem to read it correctly 22:07 < courtc> +OK POP3 Welcome to vm-pop3d 1.1.7e <3240.1104790162@hope.sys-techs.net> 22:07 < macPod> .. patch system up?! 22:08 < courtc> 220 hope.sys-techs.net ESMTP Postfix 22:08 < veteran> okay the forums are way too active 22:08 * veteran closes firefox 22:08 < veteran> no more forum time today! 22:08 < macPod> let peterburk handle them :) 22:08 < macPod> they do cut into dev time 22:09 < veteran> courtc - your point? 22:09 < courtc> yea, pure moderators are nice :) 22:09 < courtc> is it set up? 22:09 < courtc> :D 22:09 < veteran> define "it" 22:10 * macPod wants to send in an abundance of patches 22:10 < macPod> patches@ipodlinux.org 22:10 < courtc> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define%3Ait&btnG=Search 22:10 < veteran> 0.0 what is patches@ipodlinux.org ? 22:10 < veteran> i haven't been paying attention to IRC 22:11 < coob> [10:44] @ courtc | Also, do we have a common place to send patches? 22:11 < coob> [10:47] @ leachbj | maybe a patches@ipodlinux.org... probably have to talk to Wammy/veteran about that 22:11 < veteran> haha courtc... 22:11 < courtc> veteran, apparently not.. I asked you earlier if it was ok to set up a patches@ipodlinux.org 22:12 < courtc> you responded.. 22:12 < veteran> and i responded that it would require another server change 22:12 < veteran> well i could do it the DNS way but that would be too simple 22:13 < courtc> a server change? for the website'n all? 22:13 < courtc> 0.O 22:15 < veteran> well we have a newer cpanel server 22:16 < veteran> i've been thinking about moving everything to it 22:16 < veteran> current server is shared with a few gamehosting clients 22:17 < veteran> they weren't too happy about the slashdotting 22:17 < Thijs> hey guys... got to sleep 22:17 < Thijs> cya maybe 2morrow 22:18 < courtc> Thijs, bye 22:18 < Thijs> cya 22:18 < veteran> night Thijs 22:18 < Thijs> gn 22:18 -!- KuroiShi [~KuroiShi@adsl-69-209-1-230.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:18 -!- Thijs [~mathijs@cc20809-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:21 < macPod> ouch 22:21 < macPod> I called my old manager up today and asked if there was any work that needed to be done and they said to call back in 2 weeks and talk to another person 22:22 < macPod> just found out they had to reapply for their job and they did not get it 22:22 < macPod> I feel bad 22:25 < macPod> has anyone tried the iTalk out in linux? 22:28 < veteran> courtc - mail is setup 22:28 < veteran> i did it the dns way =( 22:28 < veteran> not very clean but oh well 22:30 -!- Wammy| is now known as Wammy 22:30 < Wammy> give me +v 22:30 < Wammy> :D 22:32 < veteran> no. 22:32 < macPod> No soapbox for you! 22:36 < courtc> Wammy, give me a job.. You know, one that pays.. 22:36 < courtc> Then I'll give you +v ;) 22:36 < courtc> veteran, rad.. ... I think thats still a word.. 22:37 < veteran> nope, it's been deprecated 22:37 < macPod> Who did the ipod gui that allows for modules? 22:37 < macPod> and where can I find it? 22:37 < courtc> macPod, forcing people out of their jobs is all part of the game.. 22:38 < macPod> I know, I'm pushing your out of yoru job right now ;P 22:38 < courtc> macPod, there was none.. Only external apps.. 22:38 < macPod> what about earthworm_jim's implementation? 22:38 -!- Circa2k [circa@pcp174722pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:38 -!- Random [~random@dhcp-0-9-5b-fe-6a-d9.cpe.i-zoom.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:39 -!- dju [dju@ip-250.net-82-216-156.suresnes3.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ipodlinux 22:39 < courtc> ewj never built anything.. someone else built it for him.. I dunno about modules in it though... peterburk seems to be the only one with it.. ipodvx 22:40 < macPod> in order to do modules, there needs to be some type of communication bridge 22:40 < macPod> we could do pipes, etc 22:40 < macPod> and sockets, but that is a pain 22:40 < courtc> veteran, so its redirected to my brain right? I'm ipv6 compatible... 22:40 < courtc> shared memory 22:40 < macPod> thats worse :P 22:40 < Circa2k> anyone know how much is needed for developers to get a 4g ipod? 22:41 < courtc> the _only_ way to do it.. 22:41 < macPod> what about sockets? 22:41 < veteran> yep i redirected it 22:41 < veteran> your protocol was really easy to reverse engineer 22:41 < macPod> actually yea, shared memory is probably the way to do it.. 22:41 < courtc> sockets are slow.. 22:41 < macPod> so is the iPod, they will be a perfect match 22:42 < courtc> heh.. 22:42 < veteran> ipod overclocking, anyone? 22:42 < Circa2k> damn id love to try linux on my ipod, have 4g tho 22:43 < courtc> according to the bogomips a raise in mhz makes little difference.. or at least thats what leachbj says 22:43 < BleuLlama> instead of overclocking the cpu, why not work on figuring out the DSP to do mp3 decoding for you, like apple does? ;) 22:44 * BleuLlama heads home... 22:47 < veteran> BleuLlama - that would make too much sense. 22:47 < veteran> courtc - patches@ipodlinux.org 22:48 < macPod> need a tester for that emial? 22:48 < veteran> not yet 22:48 < veteran> who will be checking it? 22:49 < courtc> probably only me and leachbj.. 22:50 < veteran> k 22:57 -!- skm [DTS@dialup-100.95.221.203.acc50-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au] has joined #ipodlinux 22:58 -!- IKEA` [~mikoxaflo@m-132-128.adsl.univie.ac.at] has quit ["Elvis.mp3 has left the building"] 23:01 < courtc> Blake? 23:02 < courtc> Haha, can't hide your name forever... :) 23:05 < veteran> http://ipodlinux.org/User:Veteran 23:06 < courtc> i me mine.. i like that.. :) 23:07 < courtc> do you really hand out free webspace on halloween? 23:08 < veteran> haha this past one i did 23:08 < veteran> only at a geek party though ;) 23:09 < courtc> haha.. thats awesome.. 23:11 < courtc> veteran: btw, http://ipodlinux.org/index.php/Talk:Sponsors 23:21 -!- skm\ [DTS@dialup-246.83.221.203.acc52-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:22 < skm> 30 min timeouts fk thats heaps 23:23 < macPod> "e: 23:23 < macPod> i think i speek for most of us who are still stuck with the amazing microsoft pc when i say we need a lunix system for my 3rd gen ipod, is there anyway i can accomplish this without ruining my ipod? 23:23 < macPod> " can anyone decipher that? 23:24 < johnny007> *g* 23:24 < skm> 'i am fat' 23:25 < courtc> I dunno, wtf is microsoft? 23:25 < johnny007> i like to call it "überlegene technologie" 23:26 < macPod> Is he asking how to install lunix on his ipod? 23:26 < macPod> why is he telling me about microsoft? 23:26 < skm> yes 23:26 < courtc> is that like linux for the luser? 23:26 < skm> rofl @ 'wtf is microsoft' 23:26 < macPod> why does he think the entire pc microsoft community wants lunix on HIS iPod? 23:26 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3533.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:27 < macPod> http://lng.sourceforge.net/ 23:27 < macPod> that is lunix, a unix like os for the commador 23:28 < courtc> you could have just said 'yes' ... 23:28 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3533.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:37 < macPod> ok, I think I answered his question :0 23:42 < courtc> 'You have problems' is not an answer.. 23:43 < macPod> how about. "you are on your own" 23:43 < courtc> Yea, thats a good one.. 23:45 < macPod> courtc did you ever work with ptk? 23:45 < courtc> nope.. never even looked at it.. all i know is from what I've heard.. 23:46 < macPod> I'm going to make a new lib.. sorta 23:46 < macPod> but would like to find the ptk sourcecode so I dont duplicate efforts 23:47 < macPod> unfourtunately, I cannot find it! 23:49 < courtc> email Efram, he responds fairly quickly.. 23:49 < macPod> I shall 23:50 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0161.ts005.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:52 < macPod> it would be nice if we could make the modules shared dynamic libraries 23:52 < BleuLlama> what's stopping you (us?) 23:52 < piratePenguin> uclinux i think 23:53 < macPod> uclinux does not support dynamic libraries 23:53 < BleuLlama> why not turn podzilla into a file launcher (vfork off executables), with the menus defined by scripts (like ipod notes) and just vfork applications? 23:54 < macPod> because you get duplicate code 23:54 < macPod> also makes communication harder 23:54 < BleuLlama> provide common code/gui stuff in system libraries/ioctl type things 23:54 < macPod> as courtc stated we will have to use shared memory! 23:54 < courtc> communication is the big problem.. 23:54 < BleuLlama> ah 23:55 < veteran> i think we all agree that moving the actual apps out of podzilla is the goal 23:55 < macPod> yes, definitly 23:55 < piratePenguin> yup 23:55 < veteran> podzilla for menu, apps for apps. 23:56 < macPod> supposedly it is not too hard to implement shared libraries for the arm processor 23:56 < macPod> oh wait, you have to modify the toolchain 23:57 < macPod> http://www.ucdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/25/1126257&mode=thread that is interesting, but does nto really apply 23:57 < macPod> m68k 23:58 < macPod> seems the problem there is you start eating ram 23:58 < courtc> read that earlier today actually 23:58 < macPod> great minds think alike :) 23:59 < macPod> did you have solyent green as a meal as well? 23:59 < courtc> no.. but i had some green solvent.. --- Log closed Tue Jan 04 00:00:00 2005