--- Log opened Mon Dec 13 00:00:02 2004 01:14 -!- eddan is now known as eddan|zZz 03:50 -!- courtc [~court@adsl-158-37-125.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:50 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o courtc ] by ChanServ 03:51 < loofus> hey courtc 03:53 < courtc> hey loofus 03:53 < loofus> And with that its about time for me to go to sleep. 03:53 < loofus> :P 03:54 < courtc> well, g'night then 03:54 < loofus> night 03:55 < macpod> courtc did you see the stats for the project on the 10th? 03:55 < courtc> nope 03:55 < macpod> 22,000 03:55 < macpod> page hits 03:55 < macpod> yet our ranking did not increase 03:55 < macpod> so... just happened to be a busy day 03:56 < courtc> hmm... who linked us? 03:57 < macpod> nobody 03:57 < courtc> macpod: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/ipodlinux co -d ~/ipodlinux/podzilla tools/podzilla wont work? 03:57 < macpod> you see our page hit increased 03:57 < macpod> hey now, I did not make the change 03:58 < macpod> piratepenguine did 03:58 < macpod> I have not been able to check the accuracy of that yet 03:58 < macpod> I too thought it was odd 03:58 < macpod> he said he had to remove the d to get it to work, as explained in the diff 03:59 < courtc> hes on osx right? 03:59 < macpod> no, on linux 03:59 < macpod> so dunno why he changed it.. 03:59 < macpod> again, I have not had a chance to test it 03:59 < macpod> studying for exams! :D greatest fun in the world 04:00 < courtc> hmm.. absolute paths arnt acceptable apparently 04:01 < macpod> in that case removing the d should not matter 04:06 < courtc> there, fixed for linux... you should test it before changing the osx one.. 04:06 < macpod> what a good idea ;P 04:09 < veteran> either busy day or SF's stats are messed up 04:09 < veteran> both most likely 04:14 < courtc> :) 04:26 < macpod> screw these direcitons] 04:27 < macpod> I'm gonna add some modifications to make it more terminal oriented 04:27 < courtc> oh goodie 04:34 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:38 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:13 < macpod> alright courtc 05:13 < macpod> updated my changes 05:13 < macpod> I wouldreccomend adding them to the linux build instructins 05:13 < macpod> also to the cygwin stuff too 05:14 < macpod> I still dont understand why -d was removed 05:14 < macpod> it still would not work 05:31 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:14 -!- veteran [veteran@cs662543-207.houston.rr.com] has quit ["—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515"] 06:39 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:57 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:57 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Cho"] 09:24 -!- eddan|zZz [~ingenvet@cm-62.179.165.164.chello.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:07 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3E1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:08 -!- Jack_MD [~Jack_MD@pD95F3E1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:34 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB767.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:34 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 10:51 -!- tlg [~tlg@220-214.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 11:19 -!- eddan|zZz [~ingenvet@cm-62.179.165.164.chello.no] has joined #ipodlinux 11:19 -!- eddan|zZz is now known as eddan 11:53 -!- IRCMonkey_ [~chatzilla@dsl-084-057-096-130.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ipodlinux 11:54 < IRCMonkey_> hi are you the one working on the audio in support ? 11:55 < leachbj> working on what part of the audio support? 11:56 < IRCMonkey_> on the record function 11:57 < leachbj> not at the moment... the current beta podzilla seems to record ok 11:59 < IRCMonkey_> yeah it does for the mic in, I didn't get the line in to work . did you ? 11:59 < leachbj> I'm not sure how much testing I did with the last version... how does it not work? 12:01 < IRCMonkey_> the software side seems to work, I just wonder if the dock connector also works as line in, or if the line in sits 12:01 < IRCMonkey_> on one of the spare pins of the dock connector 12:02 < IRCMonkey_> I mean like the mic in/ headphone 12:03 < leachbj> I think the real line in is on different pins to line out... its just for some reason we get line-in type inputs from the line-out 12:03 < leachbj> see http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Dock_Connector 12:03 < leachbj> I _think_ that has the real line-in pins. 12:05 < IRCMonkey_> I have a look ! 12:05 < IRCMonkey_> yeah here it is thanks 12:10 -!- IRCMonkey_ [~chatzilla@dsl-084-057-096-130.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:15 -!- poolio [~poolio@pcp279080pcs.owngsm01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 12:15 < poolio> Howdy 12:15 < leachbj> hey 12:16 < poolio> How you guys doing? 12:16 < leachbj> i'm good 12:16 < poolio> I'm sick. :( 12:16 < leachbj> sorry to hear that... 12:16 < poolio> leachbj: I think there is a problem with the checksums 12:17 < poolio> if I change an o -> p shouldn't checksum increment 1? 12:18 < leachbj> hmm, looks like it should. 12:18 < poolio> helloooo?? 12:18 < leachbj> what? 12:18 < poolio> And leachbj, if that is true, the checksum is also a 4 byte endian? 12:18 < poolio> And I would increment that by 1. 12:19 < poolio> But it doesn't work :| 12:19 < leachbj> ok 12:19 < poolio> ok? 12:22 < leachbj> well you said something, and I agreed... what do u want me to say? 12:32 < leachbj> but the firmware checksum calculation _does_ work correctly in make_fw and patch_fw so I'm not sure what you mean by "it doesn't work" 13:01 < poolio> Not for fourth generation 13:02 < leachbj> no, you're right. as I said the other day for the 4th gen ipods you need to modify the code to skip the first 512 bytes. 13:03 < poolio> Still didn't work. 13:03 < poolio> so offset should be 0x4400 + 512? 13:03 < leachbj> then, sorry, you must have done it wrong. here is some example code http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/download/beta/check_chksum.c 13:03 < poolio> Thanks then 13:04 < leachbj> that code will print out the current checksum as well as calculate it from a given firmware image 13:05 -!- poolio_ [~poolio@pcp279080pcs.owngsm01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:05 < poolio_> I can't believe I just did that. 13:05 < poolio_> I hit ctrl+c in an irssi window :( 13:05 < poolio_> leachbj: Could you paste that link again please? 13:05 < leachbj> http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/download/beta/check_chksum.c 13:09 < poolio_> leachbj: The chksum it reads from the file is one too many 13:09 < poolio_> And the 4 bytes are in reverse 13:10 < leachbj> are you on a mac or a pc? 13:10 < poolio_> pc 13:10 < leachbj> that code correctly calculates the checksums for every firwmare I have 13:10 < poolio_> That's weird. 13:11 < poolio_> This is dd of 3.0.2 from 4g 13:11 < poolio_> Ah I know why :) 13:11 < poolio_> I did it to the wrong file :) 13:12 < poolio_> But it is still backwards 13:13 -!- poolio_ [~poolio@pcp279080pcs.owngsm01.md.comcast.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 13:13 -!- poolio [~poolio@pcp279080pcs.owngsm01.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:28 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB767.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:41 -!- tittof [tittof@agewar.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:46 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB767.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:46 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 14:54 -!- memmove [~mgarriss@69.15.81.122] has joined #ipodlinux 14:59 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:13 -!- tlg [~tlg@220-214.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 15:20 -!- Marlon [~marlon@eevul.info] has joined #ipodlinux 15:21 < Marlon> Hi! 15:21 < leachbj> hi 15:22 < memmove> 07:56 < memmove> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Main_Page 15:22 < memmove> 08:04 < pmade> yeah, not sure why you would do that though! 15:22 < memmove> 08:12 < memmove> it's like climbing mt. everst...because it's makes you super cool and sexy.."hey baby...uh....my iPod run linux" 15:22 < memmove> 08:16 < pmade> yeah, you should try that line out and see where it gets you 15:24 < memmove> my friends just don't understand 15:25 < Marlon> I don't get iPod-linux to work on my iPod. :/ It's the latest generation that not have color display. I use the windows installer to install it. But when I try to boot it up after that, i just get a MacOSX folder with an "(!)"-symbol on and nothing else happens. Why is that? 15:26 < leachbj> sorry the 4th gen ipod ("click-wheel") is not supported 15:26 < Marlon> :( 15:26 < Marlon> Why? 15:27 < leachbj> because I dont have one and they are too different to the 3g ones for it to work 15:28 < Marlon> :/ 15:28 < Marlon> Too bad 15:28 < Marlon> I hope you get one soon :) 15:30 < leachbj> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Donations ;_ 15:30 < leachbj> ) 15:47 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:00 -!- Flik [~flik@d64-180-147-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ipodlinux 17:24 < macpod> leachbj it looks like you are gettings some important questions today :0 17:29 < leachbj> hey macpod... 17:29 < macpod> :D 17:29 < leachbj> not as good as your jivin' chat the other day ;) 17:30 < macpod> I hope you got a kick out of that as much as I did. I knew it was going to be good when he sid yo three times within two messages 17:33 < macpod> and here is something of a serious discussion.. I've looked at the podzilla source code and it really looks like a mess. 17:34 < macpod> it seems if we had our own windows manager not only could we possibly speed things up, but we could also make the code simpler. 17:35 < macpod> essentialy we would have libraries for stuff like drawing menus, etc 17:35 < macpod> like ptc, except it would nto be based off of microwindows 17:35 < macpod> *ptk 17:37 < macpod> How useful do you think it would be to make another api however? 17:39 < courtc> i think you're just an objective-c junkie ;) 17:54 < macpod> well hey, objective-c is just a superset of c 17:55 < macpod> in fac alot of it is built iun preprocessors 17:55 < macpod> so if yer dissin me you're dissin c 17:57 < macpod> I was actually looking to port it but then decided it would do about the same as microwindows so there would be not too much of a point 17:57 < macpod> I do still think a dedicated ipod api would be good however 17:59 < courtc> heh, I dont think another api is in the cards right now... unless you plan on writing it.. I think we arnt using microwindow to its full potential... it has some nice features that have little or no documentation. 18:00 < macpod> oh no I am definitly not offering the ptk as an idea for someone else 18:01 < macpod> I was thinking of doing it, but before I begain I wanted to see if it even have a purpose or not 18:01 -!- poolio [~poolio@pcp279080pcs.owngsm01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:01 < poolio> Hey guys 18:02 < courtc> hi 18:02 < poolio> Thanks again for that checksum program leachbj, sorry for being so irritating. 18:03 < poolio> Does anyone have a listing of the special characters for any of the ipods, I know it is 2 bytes first is C3 and second changes 18:03 < poolio> Does anyone have like a table or something? 18:03 < macpod> special ansi characters? 18:04 < macpod> * ascii? 18:04 < poolio> Yeah 18:05 < macpod> shoudl be the same as 18:05 < macpod> http://www.asciitable.com/ 18:06 < macpod> but most of the higher up characters will be jibberish 18:06 < macpod> what do you need it for? 18:07 < courtc> leachbj, on the "iPod programming" page is the link Serial supposed to point to "Serial Port" ? 18:07 < poolio> macpod: For fun, making my menu text pretty :) 18:09 < poolio> Like e accent aigu is C3 A9 18:10 < poolio> ... 18:13 < poolio> So C3 is the escape sequence, and then it is followed by the character, but I can't find them out, oh well 18:49 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0664.ts005.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:50 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup0664.ts005.bmt.esat.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:53 < poolio> Solution: UTF-8 ... 18:56 < macpod> good luckk implementing that 18:56 < macpod> atually 18:56 < poolio> No, it's implemented, they just use UTF-8 encodings for the special characters 18:56 < macpod> if you are workign with the apple firmware it should already be implemented 18:57 < poolio> Yeah it is, I just couldn't figure out which character set it was :P 18:57 < poolio> I can't think when I'm sick 18:57 < macpod> i thought you were doing this under linux 18:57 < poolio> I am 18:57 < macpod> uner ipod liux 18:57 < poolio> No... 18:58 < poolio> Just messing with regular iPod firmware to change text 18:58 < poolio> I'll install linux on it the second you have 4g done :) 18:59 < poolio> No wonder the base iPod system is so big, with all those UTF08 characters :P 19:00 < poolio> And macpod, one question, what do you suggest for a hex editor that supports insertion? 19:00 < poolio> I love hexcurse but it doesn't support insertion.. :( 19:02 < poolio> Ah well, I can make it pretty later, have a good day everyone. 19:02 < leachbj> courtc: yes its supposed to be serial port... sorry ran out of time when I was doing that. 19:03 < courtc> k, just checking 19:03 < poolio> Thanks for the checksum leachbj, ta ta. 19:04 -!- poolio [~poolio@pcp279080pcs.owngsm01.md.comcast.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:09 < courtc> fixed.. :) 19:09 < leachbj> macpod: yeah the current podzilla is a little organic... but I'd like to see it evolve rather than just some new libraries be developed (e.g. refactor not throw away) 19:10 < macpod> hmm 19:49 < macpod> crazy 19:49 < macpod> I just got some invitation to put my work up on some gallery 20:08 < macpod> alrigh got more ram 20:08 -!- macpod [~nelsonjm@hc6524697.dhcp.vt.edu] has quit [] 20:12 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup164.ts002.bmt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:13 < piratePenguin> courtc: ya know the way you said you had all the podzilla apps split out from the podzilla binary on yer ipod? ... 20:15 < courtc> some of them, yes 20:16 < piratePenguin> is the podzilla CVS gonna have 'em split out any time soon? 20:16 < courtc> not soon 20:17 < piratePenguin> :( the podzilla code is a bitch :p 20:20 < piratePenguin> even the menu... I tried to code it up yesterday.. didnt get too far 20:21 -!- macPod [~nelsonjm@hc6524697.dhcp.vt.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 20:21 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+v macPod ] by ChanServ 20:21 < macPod> mm more ram 20:21 < macPod> my computer feels faster too :0 20:21 < courtc> piratePenguin, if you need some explanation dont be afraid to ask.. 20:25 < piratePenguin> courtc: cool... well I coded into the alarm menu to see how much I could do (and I know feck all C btw)... cant get the 'Sound' OPTION_MENU to work.. probably cause I dont have the right variable set (can ya use NOSETTING?) 20:32 < piratePenguin> If someone could set it up so that it reads the menu info from files in a structured dir it'd be handier for *normal* users to customise the menu... 20:32 < courtc> boo.. ++config file 20:32 < piratePenguin> ? 20:33 < macPod> I think it is going to eventually come down to a file config system when podzilla becomes modularized 20:33 < courtc> just add a "#define ALARM 34" to ipod.h and use that 20:34 < piratePenguin> why 34? 20:34 < courtc> look in ipod.h 20:35 < piratePenguin> yup.. 20:35 < courtc> err.. nm 35 20:36 < courtc> apparently im blind.. 20:36 < piratePenguin> heh.. 20:36 < piratePenguin> {"Sound", OPTION_MENU, sound_options, ALARM_SOUND, 3} 20:36 < piratePenguin> thats in my menu... and.. 20:37 < piratePenguin> static char *sound_options[] = { "Beep","Ring","Other" }; 20:37 < piratePenguin> is above it 20:37 < piratePenguin> it doesnt work for me... cant go through the options on the ipod 20:38 < piratePenguin> I have '#define ALARM_SOUND 1' in ipod.h (dont even know why) 20:39 < courtc> 1 is backlight.. use 35 20:39 < courtc> or 14 20:39 < piratePenguin> so I can just use any unused number? 20:40 < courtc> yea, 0-99 unused, but keep it reasonable 20:41 < piratePenguin> n1.. didnt have a clue bout those numbers earlier on 20:45 < piratePenguin> still not working :s 20:51 < piratePenguin> am I missing something? 20:52 < piratePenguin> YES! it work :) dunno how... recompiled (only changed that number -- to 44) and it works... 20:52 < piratePenguin> or it was probably that crap I commented out... my crap 21:04 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup164.ts002.bmt.esat.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:35 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB767.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 22:52 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:05 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 23:24 -!- Planeguru25 [~gmarkley@ptd-24-198-24-222.maine.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 23:25 < Planeguru25> Good Day People 23:25 < Planeguru25> Any one Here? 23:26 < Planeguru25> I was wondering if any one has gotton the linux setup to work on a non ipod drive if so how did you get around not having th firmware .bin 23:29 < courtc> what are you trying to do exactly? 23:30 < Planeguru25> I have replaced a broken gen1 ipod drive with the same drive from toshiba 23:30 < Planeguru25> I have gotton the partitions all set and formated using mandrake 23:31 < Planeguru25> I am trying to set it up to load the lunix os to run the ipod because there is no way I can find to get the new drive to work with apple firmware 23:32 < Planeguru25> ./make_fw -o my_sw.bin -l uclinux-2.4.24-ipod0.bin -i apple_os.bin loader.bin 23:32 < Planeguru25> dosnt seam to make a goo file when you leave out the apple_os.bin 23:32 < Planeguru25> because I dont have a apple_os.bin 23:33 < Planeguru25> because I have no firmware for the drive seeing how the other one is junk 23:33 < Planeguru25> is that enough info? 23:33 < Planeguru25> or do you need more 23:33 < Planeguru25> I can install the kernal and the file system 23:33 < Planeguru25> but the loader dosnt seam to pass it off to it 23:34 < courtc> ok.. you've tried: ./make_fw -o my_sw.bin -l uclinux-2.4.24-ipod0.bin loader.bin 23:34 < Planeguru25> any help would be great 23:35 < Planeguru25> yes 23:35 < Planeguru25> it gives me the no os file when rebooted 23:36 < Planeguru25> do I need the apple_os.bin 23:36 < Planeguru25> if I dont thats fine I can rework from there 23:36 < Planeguru25> I think thats what I am asking 23:36 < courtc> hmm... i wouldnt think so.. 23:38 < Planeguru25> ok well i will keep trying to work it with out and see if I can get anywere 23:39 < Planeguru25> whats a good mirc client for mandrake 23:39 < Planeguru25> so I dont have to keep switching to windows 23:39 < Planeguru25> I hate windows 23:39 < macPod> xchat 23:40 < Planeguru25> k 23:40 < macPod> ask courtc 23:40 < macPod> Im pretty sure that exists for linux as there is a port for os x 23:40 < Planeguru25> ok 23:40 < Planeguru25> cool 23:40 < macPod> hold on there 23:40 < Planeguru25> k 23:41 < macPod> it is the same drive? 23:41 < Planeguru25> what is the same drive 23:41 < macPod> the drive that you replaced is the same model? 23:41 < Planeguru25> yes 23:41 < Planeguru25> but it is not a ipod drive 23:42 < Planeguru25> it was a totaly unused blank drive 23:42 < macPod> hmm 23:42 < courtc> uh yeah xchat 23:42 < macPod> it shoudl work without the need for the apple os, but I guess try it with it and see what goes on 23:43 < Planeguru25> I cant I dont have a copy of it 23:43 < macPod> originally you could not have a dual boot setup so it must work 23:43 < Planeguru25> the other drive is dead 23:43 < Planeguru25> humm ok 23:43 < Planeguru25> that means this should work I must have a file wronge somewear 23:43 < macPod> did you just try to use the apple restore utility under windows? 23:43 < Planeguru25> oh mone other quick question whats the right way to format fat32 from linux 23:44 < Planeguru25> yes it wont touch it 23:44 < macPod> kk 23:44 < Planeguru25> mkdosfs ????????? 23:45 < Planeguru25> i need to make sure the 2nd partition is formated correctly 23:46 < macPod> hmm, not sure about that 23:46 < Planeguru25> k 23:46 < Planeguru25> thanks for the help guys 23:46 < Planeguru25> later 23:46 < macPod> good luck, tell us how it came out 23:46 < Planeguru25> ok I will post it 23:47 < Planeguru25> at ipodlinux 23:47 -!- Planeguru25 [~gmarkley@ptd-24-198-24-222.maine.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux [] --- Log closed Tue Dec 14 00:00:00 2004