--- Log opened Tue Dec 07 00:00:01 2004 00:05 -!- Wammy| [Wammy@ip68-6-134-73.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:13 -!- Wammy [Wammy@ip68-6-134-73.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:22 -!- Wammy| [Wammy@ip68-6-134-73.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:22 -!- DMBot [~dmbot403@ip68-6-134-73.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:29 -!- DMBot [~dmbot403@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 00:31 -!- veteran [veteran@cs662543-156.houston.rr.com] has quit ["—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515"] 00:48 -!- DMBot [~dmbot403@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:53 -!- DMBot [~dmbot403@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 01:53 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:12 -!- Random [~random@dhcp-0-9-5b-fe-6a-d9.cpe.i-zoom.net] has joined #ipodlinux 02:20 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:22 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:19 -!- DMBot [~dmbot403@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:20 -!- DMBot [~dmbot403@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:21 < Wammy> hmm 03:21 < Wammy> some one registered the bot's nick..... 04:04 -!- randomdestructio [~random@dhcp-0-9-5b-fe-6a-d9.cpe.i-zoom.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:12 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:12 -!- randomdestructio [~random@dhcp-0-9-5b-fe-6a-d9.cpe.i-zoom.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:21 -!- Random [~random@dhcp-0-9-5b-fe-6a-d9.cpe.i-zoom.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:21 -!- DMBot [~dmbot403@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:22 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 05:43 -!- Wammy| [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux --- Log closed Tue Dec 07 05:46:18 2004 --- Log opened Tue Dec 07 05:50:11 2004 05:51 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:00 -!- Wammy| [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:48 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 07:50 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:44 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB965.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 10:44 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o leachbj ] by ChanServ 10:48 < oxygen77> hello leachbj 10:52 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:54 < leachbj> hi oyxgen77 11:54 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 13:26 -!- tp0t [~java@gw1.sunsail.com] has joined #ipodlinux 13:27 < tp0t> heyhey 13:28 < leachbj> hi 13:28 < tp0t> ive got a small question about contrast in podzilla 13:28 < tp0t> you mind? 13:29 < tp0t> ive written a fractal explorer, it renders the mandolbrot set and you can zoom into regions 13:29 < tp0t> but... 13:30 < tp0t> sometimes the contrast (or rather brightness) reduces 13:30 < tp0t> making the screen very pale looking 13:30 < tp0t> if a quit my app, the screen settings return to normal 13:31 < tp0t> ....any ideas 13:31 < leachbj> yup, Ive noticed that too... it seems to be there is not enough power supplied to turn on all the pixels... 13:31 < tp0t> so its dictated by the the amount of lite pixels 13:32 < leachbj> yeah I think so... if you look at the tetris game it looks ok, but if you look at minesweeper or the calendar its quite light. 13:33 < leachbj> I dont think the LCD is correctly initialised... 13:33 < tp0t> i c 13:34 < tp0t> great work you done on this reverse engineering, btw 13:34 < leachbj> thanks... but as you see some areas are still open for more work ;) 13:35 < tp0t> always the way 13:35 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:37 < tp0t> cheers for the help, must get back to coding....... 13:37 -!- tp0t [~java@gw1.sunsail.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:54 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:33 < courtc> leachbj, tried compiling podzilla cvs yet? no warnings :) 14:37 < leachbj> courtc: yeah looks good :) 14:42 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:56 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB965.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:56 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:56 -!- KuRcZ [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:56 -!- macPod [~nelsonjm@hc6524697.dhcp.vt.edu] has quit [kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:59 -!- leachbj [~leachbj@pD9EAB965.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:59 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:59 -!- KuRcZ [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 14:59 -!- macPod [~nelsonjm@hc6524697.dhcp.vt.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 14:59 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+ov leachbj macPod ] by irc.freenode.net 15:57 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Cho"] 15:59 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:59 -!- oxygen77 [~Chris@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ipodlinux ["Cho"] 16:05 < macPod> leachbj you here? 16:06 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 16:09 < leachbj> hey macPod 16:09 < macPod> cvs is up to no good :) 16:09 < leachbj> yeah it'll do that to ya! 16:10 < macPod> I can remove files alright 16:10 < macPod> and even got cvsignore uploaded 16:10 < leachbj> but directories are a problem? 16:10 < macPod> but then.... I tried removing a directory with more directories and files in it 16:10 < macPod> all hell broke loose 16:10 < leachbj> yup... cvs won't actually delete files for you, so you need to do it yourself... 16:11 < macPod> x.x 16:11 < macPod> when you delete any file they are not actually deleted right? 16:11 < leachbj> go into the directory leafs, 'rm' the files, then 'cvs remove' 16:12 < macPod> they are just "removed" but still kept so previous versions still in cvs can use them right> 16:12 < leachbj> yup, so for directories, if they end up empty they will still show up in a "cvs checkout", unless you use the -P option (prune empty directories) 16:12 < leachbj> yes, you can always checkout the files based on date/tag or revision 16:12 < macPod> ah, and as long as you do that, the files will not appear 16:12 < macPod> man that is a pain 16:13 < macPod> now here is my other prob 16:13 < leachbj> umm no files will always show up 16:13 < macPod> aww 16:13 < leachbj> but empty directories will also show up unless you -P them 16:13 < macPod> well I was reading and found out about the fact you cannot remove directories 16:13 < leachbj> yup, only prune them 16:14 < macPod> except with an admin option but that also kills the previous version 16:14 < macPod> but now here is the problem 16:14 < leachbj> admin options are generally bad for you CVS tree's health 16:14 < macPod> yea 16:14 < macPod> so here is my prob 16:15 < macPod> I remove the files in the nib folders 16:15 < macPod> then then did a cvs commit 16:15 < macPod> and the files still exist 16:15 < macPod> I did remove them locally before doing the commit 16:15 < macPod> in fact I had to remove them before doing cvs ignore or it told me the file was still in the active directory 16:16 < macPod> but then when I do a cvs co, it still downloads the directories and files! 16:16 < leachbj> did you "rm bad_file && cvs remove bad_file && cvs commit bad_file" ? 16:16 < macPod> yea 16:17 < macPod> rather I moved the bad_file to a folder away from the cvs co directory but essentially the same thing 18:14 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:17 -!- Wammy [~memememe@ip68-6-141-203.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ipodlinux 18:22 -!- Luke [~blindspy@tark-b-139.resnet.purdue.edu] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 18:22 -!- Luke [~blindspy@tark-b-139.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 18:22 -!- mode/#ipodlinux [+o Luke ] by ChanServ 18:26 -!- tlg [~tlg@130-214.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 18:27 -!- tittof [tittof@agewar.de] has joined #ipodlinux 18:37 -!- tlg [~tlg@130-214.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 18:50 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup150.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has joined #ipodlinux 19:19 -!- piratePenguin [~declan@dialup150.ts527.cwt.esat.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:54 < macPod> leachbj made progress 19:54 < macPod> there were hidden files 19:55 < macPod> that is why the folders were still appearing 20:04 < macPod> leachbj I got a job for you: http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/jobseeker/jobsearch/job_detail.html;_ylt=Al6Z7_4v3Jh9YoUxXnpEgEn6Q6IX?job_id=J275420WE&search_url=%2Fjobseeker%2Fjobsearch%2Fsearch_results.html%3Fkeywords_all%3Dapple%26city1%3D%26state1%3D%26country1%3DUSA%26search_type_form%3Dquick%26updated_since%3Dsixtydays%26basicsearch%3D0%26advancedsearch%3D0%26industry1%3DMIS%26metro_area%3D1%26search%3DSearch&keywords_any=&keywords_all=apple&keywords 20:09 < KuRcZ> hey 20:10 < macPod> hey 20:10 < KuRcZ> what's up? 20:10 < macPod> bout to go to clas 20:11 < macPod> s 20:11 < KuRcZ> cool 20:11 < KuRcZ> progress in what? 20:11 < macPod> cvs progress 20:11 < KuRcZ> ohh 20:11 < macPod> or rather I made it 20:11 < macPod> leachbj helped 20:11 < KuRcZ> ohh 20:11 < macPod> cvs is the devil 20:12 < macPod> but subversion is even worse 20:18 -!- KuRcZ [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:38 -!- KuRcZ [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 20:39 -!- tlg [~tlg@130-214.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 20:49 < normalperson> macPod: Arch > Subversion > CVS 21:14 < johnny007> http://www.i.themacmind.com/ 21:16 < leachbj> doesn't it seem more likely that apple will just go for a flash mini if anything (e.g. a 5GB version) with the only real benefit being longer battery life...? 21:19 < loofus> leachbj: How would you go about doing debugging on a g4 with the serial cable? 21:20 < courtc> 5gb of flash? that'll certainly be more than $100.. 21:22 < courtc> i personally cant imagine browsing 1gb of music(~222 songs) without some sort of graphic interface.. 21:25 < leachbj> loofus: um...? is that a trick question? 21:26 < loofus> leachbj: No most likely I am just very confused. 21:26 < loofus> I am just going off what you had posted yesterday in regards to the 4g ipods. 21:26 < loofus> On the forum 21:29 < leachbj> I'm still hoping that I can get a 4g to dump its flash out the serial port... 21:30 < loofus> Ahh, so you would be able to connect the ipod to your PC through the serial cable then dump the flash and disassemble that to reverse egineer the loader? 21:31 < leachbj> thats the plan... the flash has the diagnostic and bootloader which for the 1/2/3g is relatively easy to RE... (whereas the retailos is quite hard) 21:32 < loofus> Alright I think I understad the simplified process. 21:32 < loofus> When the ipod is hooked up to say a unix based os what device type is it? 21:32 < loofus> And how would you go about dumping the flash rom. 21:34 < leachbj> when its hooked up via usb or firewire it shows up as a HDD... then you can only access the hard drive based OS not the flash 21:34 < loofus> Sorry, I meant hooked up to a unix box via a serial link. 21:38 < leachbj> ah, well by default nothing... the PC could act like the remote control... but what I hope to do is have some custom code that just copies the rom out to the serial port on the ipod, and the linux side will just dd if=/dev/ttyS0 of=ipod_rom ;) 21:39 < loofus> The custom code would have to be booted on the iPod right? 21:41 < leachbj> yup 21:42 < leachbj> thats what I was refering to in the post, I think have RE'ed enough to drive the serial port but the one tester didnt have any luck 21:42 < loofus> In arm ASM or C? 21:43 < leachbj> its in C i think 21:43 < leachbj> I cant seem to find it just now! 21:44 < leachbj> yeah its a bit of startup asm and c code 21:44 < loofus> Would you mind emailing me a copy of your existing code if you find it? 21:46 < leachbj> its up at http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/g4_ser_test.tgz 21:47 < leachbj> you need to use the patched make_fw (the mailing list has the patches) 21:47 < leachbj> and of course a serial connector... one thought I had was that the serial port powered (as opposed to ipod powered) version might work 21:48 < leachbj> (see http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Serial_Port) 21:48 < leachbj> http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/PP5020 has a bit more info on the RE effort sofar 21:48 < loofus> yeah I grabbed Paul's patches yesterday. 21:49 < leachbj> cool, anyhow I have to go, let me know if you have any breakthrus! 21:49 < loofus> Did you test to see if there was a current in the line? 21:49 < loofus> Sure, I only got my 4g four days ago though :P 21:49 < leachbj> paul said that after running that code there was no current on the power line from the ipod 21:50 < loofus> Hrm alright. 21:50 < loofus> It will be at least until tomorrow I can build a serial cable 21:50 < loofus> need to get some parts 21:50 < loofus> later. 21:50 < leachbj> i think I have enough info to make the piezo sound, it would be good to try that to see that the custom code is actually working... but at the end of the day the serial port is the best way forward 21:50 < leachbj> np, good luck! 21:50 * leachbj is away: I'm busy 21:51 < macPod> alright 21:51 < macPod> finally remembered to sign up for the mailing list here :) 22:40 -!- tlg [~tlg@130-214.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 22:52 -!- gaba [~gaba@adsl-67-115-135-215.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:52 < gaba> hi! 22:52 < gaba> did somebody try iPodder on linux? 23:04 < loofus> iPodder? 23:12 < gaba> http://ipodder.sourceforge.net 23:18 < macPod> leachbj, the cvs is finally fixed :D 23:19 < macPod> I feel like I've accomplished so much ^^ --- Log closed Wed Dec 08 00:00:01 2004