--- Log opened Sat Aug 28 00:00:03 2004 01:04 -!- sheenmaster [~travis@Morristown-68-118-101-75.chartertn.net] has joined #ipodlinux 03:19 -!- BlindSpy [~blindspy@tark-b-139.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 03:47 -!- macPod [~One800jef@hc6524696.dhcp.vt.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 03:51 < courtc> hey macPod 03:52 < macPod> hey 03:52 < macPod> still getting used to college :/ 03:52 < macPod> just missed a party 03:52 < macPod> I got there, and the police started driving in so I had to leave 03:52 < courtc> heh.. 03:52 < macPod> this fast connection is nice 03:53 < courtc> :) 03:54 < macPod> but.. 03:54 < macPod> I have to learn java here 03:54 < macPod> and it sucks! 03:54 < macPod> it is taught metaphorically which pisses the hell out of me 03:54 < courtc> yea.. it does suck 04:00 < courtc> so.. how about a terminal emulator for the ipod? :) 04:00 < macPod> wtf 04:01 < macPod> I think that is the last thing we need 04:01 < macPod> first off, we have the one 04:01 < courtc> heh.. already coded 04:01 < macPod> yea 04:01 < macPod> and second off, because the interface is so limited, I think we should make it a gui 04:01 < courtc> just finised it... 04:01 < courtc> too last for excuses 04:02 < courtc> it actually good if you think about it... 04:02 < courtc> now we wont have to close podzilla to execute an external app.. 04:03 < macPod> bah 04:03 < macPod> there should be very little reason you should have to do that 04:03 < courtc> like mp3example 04:03 < courtc> it runs in the teminal 04:03 < macPod> that should be built into podzilla 04:03 < courtc> should be yes... but not... 04:04 < courtc> and im prtty sure its not GPL... 04:05 < courtc> and *I dont know where the source is... or if there is any.. 04:05 < macPod> for mp3 example? 04:05 < macPod> the source is on the website 04:05 < courtc> yea 04:05 < courtc> nope 04:05 < macPod> it's from intel 04:05 < courtc> i know 04:07 < courtc> do tell where the source is... 04:08 < macPod> look around on sourceforge 04:08 < macPod> it's on the downloads page 04:08 < macPod> or something 04:08 < courtc> neg.. 04:08 < courtc> i see a diff.. 04:08 < macPod> I see it right here 04:08 < courtc> wtf 04:08 < macPod> http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/download.shtml 04:08 < macPod> lst link 04:09 < courtc> f'ing rpm 04:10 < courtc> ok i was wrong.. but still... 04:12 < courtc> i spent alot of time on this :'( 04:13 -!- BlindSpy [~blindspy@tark-b-139.resnet.purdue.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 04:14 < courtc> bah humbug :/ 04:18 < courtc> well its not source... 04:25 -!- tam [~tam@linuxrulesthe.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:26 < macPod> :P 04:27 < tam> ooh jolly someone is awake 04:27 < tam> is there a way that i can transfer my music to my ipod via the HFS+ filesystem? 04:27 < tam> i want to do it on my linux box but don't have any win boxes 04:28 < macPod> yea you can 04:28 < tam> is it stable though? 04:28 < macPod> mount the volume as read write 04:28 < macPod> I dunno about that 04:28 < tam> hmm, cos i hate transfering my music to my ibook thenhooking my pod up 04:28 < courtc> what kernel version? 04:29 < tam> Linux spud 2.6.7-1.494.2.2 #1 Tue Aug 3 09:40:08 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux 04:30 < tam> is uclinux a ipod kernel or a full linux kernel with ipod support? 04:30 < courtc> linux, YEA 04:30 < tam> YEA? 04:30 < courtc> its a stripped linux kernel 04:31 < tam> ah 04:31 < sheenmaster> Be sure to mount it as hfs+, rather than hfs. The latter will just give you an error message intended for users of System 7 and early revisions of OS 8 that don't support HFS+. 04:31 < courtc> or *modified i should say 04:31 < tam> courtc: don't wanna sound stupid but i don't wanna put *nix on the actual pod 04:32 < tam> i just wanna be a simpleton and transfer music over easily 04:33 < courtc> you coud change it into a win ipod... 04:33 < tam> ! 04:33 < tam> no win devices allowed in my household 04:33 < courtc> but mouting as hfs+ is pretty stable as i understand... 04:33 < tam> that's good enough for me :) 04:34 < tam> the reason why i probably don't wanna put linux on my pod is cos i use it on my ibook too 04:34 < courtc> AND? 04:35 < macPod> time for sleep 04:35 < macPod> c-ya 04:35 < macPod> tam 04:35 < tam> macPod: yes 04:35 < macPod> I have a mac 04:35 < macPod> hand have been messing with ipod linux since the beginning 04:35 < courtc> g'night 04:35 < macPod> I have yet to loose any data 04:35 < macPod> gnight :) 04:36 < tam> and it works on both linux and the mac? 04:36 -!- macPod [~One800jef@hc6524696.dhcp.vt.edu] has quit ["sleep"] 04:36 < tam> nn mac 04:36 < courtc> that it does... 04:36 < tam> oooooooooh 04:37 < tam> but am i competent enough to install it - that is the $64,000 question 04:37 < courtc> macPod build a nice mac installer for it.. 04:37 < courtc> built* 04:38 < tam> cool 04:40 < sheenmaster> Has anyone tried repartitioning an iPod? 04:41 < sheenmaster> Or booting a PC from one? 04:41 < courtc> repartition yes... boot a pc? dunno... 04:45 < sheenmaster> What uses has Linux been put to on the ipod? 04:45 < sheenmaster> Or is it just being used to play music? 04:46 < courtc> well actually it wont quite play music realtime yet... 04:47 < sheenmaster> Heh; I heard that same thing from David a year ago. (maybe six months) 04:47 < courtc> but there is a nice interface... and it includes several games 04:48 < sheenmaster> Does it work on 4th generation ipods? 04:49 < courtc> yea, im not quite sure that any progress is being made on a mp3player 04:49 < courtc> no not quite yet ;) 04:49 < sheenmaster> What is involved in porting it? 04:49 < courtc> i think that may be the main focus... 04:51 < courtc> well apparenly the flash rom chip encodes somthing or other... or maybe decodes... 04:52 < courtc> so someone has to look at that.. the mini a 4g both have different processors... so that should be a blast 04:54 < courtc> other than that.. i dunno... i keep up to date on the software side.. and let other people deal with the hardware... 04:54 -!- KuRcZ [~jeff@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:57 -!- KuRcZ [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 04:57 < KuRcZ> hey 04:57 < courtc> hiya 04:57 < KuRcZ> anyone around? 04:57 < KuRcZ> whats up courtc?! 04:58 < courtc> not much just working on forking a terminal emulator properly for uclinux 04:59 < KuRcZ> so that we can like program inside podzilla? 04:59 < KuRcZ> or what ever? 04:59 < courtc> yea kinda.. but not really... 05:00 < KuRcZ> like so we can basically do linux commands? 05:00 < KuRcZ> cuz its a terminal? 05:01 < courtc> yea, its so you dont have to close podzilla to execute things like mp3example... 05:05 < KuRcZ> yeaq 05:06 < KuRcZ> that will be useful 05:06 < KuRcZ> will it be a program to run under like Extras or something? 05:07 < courtc> yea.. some people dont seem to think it will be usefull 05:07 < sheenmaster> Is podzilla scriptable? 05:08 < sheenmaster> It would make sense to have an app that lists commands taken from a textfile, so the list can be edited on a full computer just by mounting it as a drive. 05:08 < sheenmaster> More complex methods could be added as scripts, rather than just lists. 05:09 < courtc> yea, no its not, would be useful though... 05:09 < KuRcZ> i dont really know what you mean? 05:10 < KuRcZ> so instead of typing just slect what you wanna do form a list? 05:10 < courtc> perhaps i may try to implement that... 05:10 < KuRcZ> need any help? =D 05:10 < sheenmaster> I'll do it if you don't, once the 4G is supported. 05:12 < courtc> have at it KuRcZ 05:13 < sheenmaster> Maybe I'll just try to mount my iPod in Solaris, and leave it at that accomplishment. 05:13 < KuRcZ> have at what court? 05:13 < KuRcZ> lol 05:14 < sheenmaster> KuRcZ: It's harder than it sounds. I'm using a network USB host controller as part of my thin client, because I can't afford $6k for a PCI controller. 05:15 < KuRcZ> ohhh 05:15 < KuRcZ> i think im catching on 05:15 < KuRcZ> im a little slow today 05:15 < KuRcZ> and every other day 05:15 < KuRcZ> lol 05:16 < sheenmaster> I bought a sun midframe (8 64-bit RISC processors, 4 gigs of ram, 8 fibre-channel hard drives, 32M total l2 cache) used on ebay for $1600. 05:16 < courtc> nice... 05:17 < sheenmaster> But I was stuck with an 8-bit frambuffer and no pci controller. 05:17 -!- BlindSpy [~blindspy@tark-b-139.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ipodlinux 05:17 < sheenmaster> So I bought a SunRay for $75 to get sound, usb, and video over the network. 05:17 < sheenmaster> But I never got around to figuring out the usb part of things. 05:18 < KuRcZ> hmmm 05:21 < sheenmaster> It's no big loss, considering how horrible usb support is in Sol9. 05:22 < courtc> huh... /etc is in sash's default PATH... kinda strange 05:23 < sheenmaster> Just strange from a Linux perspective. Solaris has all of the base binaries in /etc/. 05:24 < courtc> really? did not know that... 05:24 < sheenmaster> or rather pointers to them, to retain compatibility for when binaries were placed there 05:24 < sheenmaster> s/pointers/symlinks/ 05:24 < courtc> huh.. 05:25 < courtc> learn something everyday.. 05:27 < sheenmaster> yep 05:28 < sheenmaster> I'm learning compiler and fpga design, for example. 05:28 < sheenmaster> I want to build a brainfuck processor and a C compiler for it. 05:30 < courtc> wow brainfuck is pretty cool... 05:31 < sheenmaster> yeah 05:31 < KuRcZ> what exactly is that? 05:31 < sheenmaster> Any language for which you can write a compiler targetting C in under a minute kicks ass. 05:32 < sheenmaster> KuRcZ: A simple turing machine language. 05:32 < tam> why is solaris pants? 05:32 < sheenmaster> tam: pants? 05:32 < tam> crap 05:32 < tam> but i'm not allowed to say that :) 05:32 < KuRcZ> heh 05:32 < sheenmaster> You're calling solaris crap? 'dem's fightin' words. 05:33 < tam> sheenmaster: maybe cos i work for its creator :p 05:34 < KuRcZ> and what exactly do you do tam? 05:34 < tam> nuttin much dood 05:35 < courtc> code in java?(bleh) 05:35 < tam> noooo 05:35 < tam> we monitor high end servers 05:36 < courtc> so sit around and let a computer moniter them? 05:36 < KuRcZ> lol 05:36 < KuRcZ> court, why bleh for java? 05:36 < tam> courtc: stop stealing the glory from my job!! 05:36 < tam> java sux 05:37 < courtc> KuRcZ: cause is is the essence of bleh 05:37 < courtc> try coding in it for a while and you'll see... 05:38 < KuRcZ> lol, let me learn C already! 05:38 < KuRcZ> heh 05:38 < KuRcZ> isnt it becomming more used tho? 05:38 < courtc> only because its extremly portable.. 05:39 < KuRcZ> "Saying Java is good because it works on all OS's, is like saying Oral sex is good b/c it works on both sex's" 05:39 < KuRcZ> lol 05:39 < KuRcZ> good ol' bash 05:40 < courtc> wow.. 05:41 < courtc> bf is awesome! 05:41 < courtc> ++++++++++[-] 05:42 < KuRcZ> bf? 05:42 < courtc> branfuck 05:42 < sheenmaster> and look at how efficient that is! That little brainfuck code stands for: 05:42 < sheenmaster> #include 05:42 < sheenmaster> int main(){ 05:42 < sheenmaster> char* p=(char*) malloc(30000*sizeof(char)); 05:42 < sheenmaster> int i=0; do{p[i]=0;}while(++i<30000); 05:42 < sheenmaster> ++*p; 05:42 < sheenmaster> ++*p; 05:42 < sheenmaster> ++*p; 05:42 < sheenmaster> ++*p; 05:42 < sheenmaster> ++*p; 05:42 < sheenmaster> ++*p; 05:42 < sheenmaster> ++*p; 05:42 < sheenmaster> ++*p; 05:43 < sheenmaster> ++*p; 05:43 < sheenmaster> ++*p; 05:43 < sheenmaster> while(*p){ 05:43 < sheenmaster> --*p; 05:43 < sheenmaster> } 05:43 < sheenmaster> exit(*p); 05:43 < sheenmaster> } 05:43 < sheenmaster> But instead of writing all that, you just which up a little cryptic line. 05:43 < sheenmaster> It's as efficient as perl! 05:43 * sheenmaster is about to be lynched. 05:43 < courtc> hah 05:44 < KuRcZ> lol 05:44 < KuRcZ> what do those +++ do? 05:44 < courtc> google.com 05:44 < sheenmaster> increment *p 05:44 < sheenmaster> http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ 05:45 < sheenmaster> + increments the byte that is at the reader/writer in the turring machine 05:45 < KuRcZ> i know its increment!! duhh i know that much 05:45 < KuRcZ> lol 05:49 < sheenmaster> damn I hate these bugs 05:49 < sheenmaster> On campus, the air is too polluted to sustain them 05:49 < sheenmaster> so there are no mosquitoes and no flies 05:50 < sheenmaster> But here, they're everywhere. 05:50 < sheenmaster> Might as well be a scene from Exorcist: The Beginning. 05:50 < courtc> well better get back to that smog 05:50 < sheenmaster> I'll be back in twelve hours. 05:52 < courtc> whoa [,.] 05:52 < KuRcZ> lol 05:52 < sheenmaster> I have the life up there. Good friends, good air conditioning, an Internet2 connection, a coffee house that'll run a tab until scholarships come in for the next semester. 05:52 < sheenmaster> If you see a TN student being thrown into debtors prison for refusing to pay a $10,000 coffee debt, it's probably me. 05:52 < courtc> hah 06:03 -!- BlindSpy [~blindspy@tark-b-139.resnet.purdue.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 08:43 -!- tlg [~tlg@46-228.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ipodlinux 09:41 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@144.133.103.151] has joined #ipodlinux 09:41 < EvilDude> 'lo people 09:47 -!- EvilDude [EvilDude@144.133.103.151] has quit [] 10:35 -!- ChrisNatx [~wwacccs@cs679137-238.austin.rr.com] has joined #ipodlinux 10:37 -!- ChrisNatx [~wwacccs@cs679137-238.austin.rr.com] has left #ipodlinux [] 12:32 < KuRcZ> hey 12:38 < KuRcZ> anyone around? ;/ 14:31 < johnny00> nope 15:06 < KuRcZ> ok 15:09 -!- akaidiot [akaidiot@c-5fcd70d5.363-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 15:09 -!- tam [~tam@linuxrulesthe.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:09 -!- tam [~tam@linuxrulesthe.net] has joined #ipodlinux 15:24 -!- tlg [~tlg@46-228.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["leaving"] 16:10 -!- Edit0r [~Edit0r@host-83-146-22-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ipodlinux 16:11 < Edit0r> hi 16:11 < Edit0r> can any of u guys help me? 16:11 < Edit0r> how do i compile stuff for ipodlinux? 16:12 -!- Edit0r [~Edit0r@host-83-146-22-26.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:01 -!- sheenmaster [~travis@Morristown-68-118-101-75.chartertn.net] has quit ["sticks a fork in his e3500's power supply"] 22:31 < KuRcZ> hello 22:31 < KuRcZ> anyone here? 22:52 -!- KuRcZ2 [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:53 -!- KuRcZ2 [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 22:53 -!- KuRcZ2 [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:53 -!- KuRcZ2 [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 22:53 -!- KuRcZ2 [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:55 -!- KuRcZ2 [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 22:55 -!- KuRcZ2 [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:55 -!- KuRcZ2 [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has left #ipodlinux [] 22:56 -!- KuRcZ2 [~jeff_kurc@d57-31-222.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ipodlinux 22:57 < KuRcZ2> !help --- Log closed Sun Aug 29 00:00:00 2004